The Great America Sunday Show： December 8, 2024
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Joe Biden leaves office, Ukraine is getting more pissed off at the United States, Mike Johnson says no more $24 billion in aid to Ukraine, Merrick Garland is being asked to stay at the DOJ, and the Biden administration is reportedly considering preemptive pardons.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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Thanks so much for joining us today in these important times politically and both foreign
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It seems Joe Biden and his administration are doing all they can to beat the World War
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And they've been doing it for the last almost four years now of his lame duck administration.
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But it seems they've sort of ramped it up as he's leaving office, particularly with
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Ukraine and Russia and that war going on over there.
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Now, I don't know if it has anything to do with the money his son has made off of Ukraine.
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And that has something to do with why he's been so happy and eager to keep sending them
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money, even offering them another twenty four billion dollars as he walks out the door,
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which is almost certainly going to piss Russia off even more as if the American made weapons
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and rockets being launched into their country weren't enough.
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Thanks to the good Lord, Mike Johnson, finally doing his job over in the House of Representatives,
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saying no dice for that twenty four billion dollars.
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I think as we predicted and as I said to all of you weeks before the election, if Donald Trump
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is elected, it will change that the dynamic of the Russia war on Ukraine.
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And we're seeing that happen. So it is not the place of Joe Biden to make that decision.
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Now, we have a newly elected president and we're going to wait and take the new commander
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in chief's direction on all of that. So I don't expect any Ukraine funding to come up.
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Good on Mike Johnson of about time doing his job.
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It's taken him long enough to get to that point where he's ready to grow a backbone and speak
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You know, I've said it multiple times on the show and Lou said it before he passed away
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These congressional terms are only two years long and, you know, a lot of time can be wasted
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in two years. So he's got to hit the ground running on January 20th.
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And within weeks, I give it weeks, if he can't seem to coordinate with President Trump
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on how we're going to move forward in this administration, President Trump has got to move
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on from him and seek the next best option in Congress to take over as Speaker of the House.
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We have no time to waste. Two years comes and it goes very fast.
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And there's no guarantee that in two years, the Republicans will be able to hold the House.
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Historically, it shows that they will lose the House.
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So we've really only got two years if we look at it from a realistic standpoint to get everything done
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that President Trump wants to get done, whether we build the wall, get through government funding
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that gets rid of DEI and all this woke ideology garbage out of our institutions and our systems.
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In other news, the Biden White House is reportedly considering preemptive pardons for a few folks.
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One of them, Adam Schiff, another Liz Cheney, and another one, Dr. Anthony Fauci.
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Now, the Marxist left constantly say that these people should be pardoned, but they also say
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at the same time they've done no crimes. So if they've done no crimes, why is the Marxist left
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and the mainstream media so set on getting these people pardons?
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You know, it doesn't really make much sense. Over at the DOJ, Merrick Garland is reportedly
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begging the deep state lawyers who work over there to remain at the DOJ, saying that the
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department needs their, quote, institutional knowledge. So now that should come as a red flag
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to the incoming administration and for the folks who are going to be running that DOJ to go ahead
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and find those, quote, institutional lawyers and get them the hell out of there on day one
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because they do not belong there. Merrick Garland's asking them to stay. It means they're the first ones
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who, in fact, need to go. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They've got to go. On a side note,
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there's a report out that 21 of George Soros' backed prosecutors that he funded millions of dollars
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to some of them have been ousted since 2022. That's 21 of them. So things are looking optimistic
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for this country with President Trump's decisive victory exactly a month ago today. And it looks
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like America's moving in the right direction. We need to continue to do so in the next elections
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coming up in 2026 and 2028 as well. Also looking forward to those Senate elections that are coming
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up in 2026. We've really got to drain the swamp. And I'm going to take that up here with our guests
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today in just a few moments. Our guest today is one of our weekly favorites who joins us here each and
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every week on the Great America Show. The great Roger Stone. He's the host of the Stone Zone podcast
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each and every night on Rumble. You can go to StoneZone.com or you can go to Rumble at the Stone
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Zone. The great Roger Stone. Roger, it's great to have you back with us here on the Great America
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Show. It's been some time. We went past a holiday. I was on vacation. But now, you know, I was having
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Roger withdrawals. I was coming back on the plane from Africa and I was scratching my neck and I
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couldn't get to you fast enough. So here we are. Welcome back. I want to get to something first
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that we've been hearing a lot over the last few days. And it's that Pete Heggset, the SECDEF
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nominee, may soon be dropping out of the race for political pressure from the left. And we may soon
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see your good friend, Ron DeSantis scoop on in. This is, of course, unconfirmed reports. I want to play
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for the audience a clip of Roger warning us about DeSantis back in 2022, long before he decided to make the
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stupid move to primary Donald Trump for that 2024 nomination. Take a listen.
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Roger, this is long before he showed his true colors. And I think the saying Lou used to use is
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every dog has its fleas. Go ahead. Well, I think it's important for people to review the history
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because maybe some people who don't live in Florida don't remember it. But when Ron DeSantis
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was running for governor, he was running at about 8 percent in the polls. He was led by the state
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agriculture commissioner, former congressman Adam Putnam. All 62 Republican county chairmen in Florida
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endorsed Putnam, DeSantis' opponent. Every single Republican in the state legislature where we had
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the majority in both houses still do. The Senate president, the Speaker of the House endorsed Ron
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DeSantis' opponent. Every member of the Republican congressional delegation from Florida, with the
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exception of Matt Gaetz, endorsed Putnam. And then the truth is, in 2016, when Trump won the Republican
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nomination for president and DeSantis was running for reelection for Congress, DeSantis refused to endorse
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Donald Trump. I could show you the video in which he actually says, well, just because we're both on the
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Republican ticket does not mean I support Donald Trump for president. President Trump had never seen that
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video. Then after Trump was elected, Ron kind of saw his opportunity to reinvent himself as a defender of Trump
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in the Russian collusion hoax. And for the first time ever, Donald Trump became aware of who Ron DeSantis
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was. Of course, he liked what he saw because DeSantis was on Fox and conservative talk radio and other
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outlets defending Trump on the Russian collusion matter. So Ron DeSantis, as we now know, went and begged
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Donald Trump for an endorsement. Congressman Gaetz was a major sponsor of that. He urged the president to
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endorse Ron DeSantis. He did endorse him just in a tweet on TrueSocial and DeSantis' campaign took off like a rocket.
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He went from eight to 68 almost overnight. His campaign coffers went from being virtually empty to bulging with
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enough money to win an upset victory in the primary. Now, because Ron is not a strong candidate, he was locked in a very,
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very close general election. And President Donald Trump had to change his schedule three times to come to Florida
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in the final two weeks of the 2018 election to literally drag Ron DeSantis over the finish line.
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And we elected a Republican governor who I voted for. Early after Trump losing or being cheated out of the 2020 election,
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when President Trump made it pretty clear he intended to run again, I began to hear reports that Ron DeSantis
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was planning to challenge the man who made him. Now, let's be very clear. Without Donald Trump,
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Ron DeSantis would be managing a McDonald's someplace. But instead, he gets to be governor of Florida.
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At 42 years old, you would think that he would have some loyalty to the man who made his career.
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But unfortunately, he didn't have that loyalty. He mounted a very, very expensive challenge. He spent
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$30 million in an attempt to defeat Donald Trump. If you go back and look at the closing days of that
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contest, he got very nasty and personal in his attacks on the president. And he was ignominiously
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defeated. So my problem here is loyalty. Now, people keep saying, ah, but he's a good,
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he's a great governor. And then I check and the people who tell me that live in Ohio or Florida
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or Texas or California. Our utility rates are through the roof. Could that be because Ron DeSantis
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took nine and a half million dollars from Florida Power and Light and his subsidiaries for his various
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political committees when he was running for president? Our insurance rates are astronomical.
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The insurance bill for my single 2016 Lincoln Continental that has 98,000 miles on it has tripled
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in the last two years. And we have a rising crime problem in this state. So look, this is just to me,
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it's a simple question of loyalty. I believe in loyalty. At 42 years old, Governor DeSantis could
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have waited his turn and he could certainly have run. But these stories you refer to saying that he
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will be the next secretary of defense, I can find no basis for them. I've made some calls early this
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morning to people who would be in a position to know. They tell me that it is a baseless speculation.
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Beyond the fact that that there's there is no indication that Pete Hegseth is throwing in the
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towel. He said this morning that he's going to continue to fight. I believe he will continue to
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fight. I support his nomination. I think he is the target of character assassination. This New Yorker
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piece on him is an outrage. It is. It's a collection of lies and falsehoods and smears. And Hegseth looks to
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me like he's a brawler. He's not looking to me like a man who walks away from a fight.
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Right. So any any second guessing over who might replace him, you know, that is exactly that
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second guessing. You know, the whole issue with DeSantis, the mistake he made, a lot of people said
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it was his wife who was his unofficial advisor who made him run. Now, you know, I know a lot of
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political advisors, none as dumb as that, who would ever go up against Donald Trump. And it's just for
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the sheer reason of how powerful he is. You know, Roger, we look to now President Trump comes in until
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2028. These guys after 2028, these guys who are just lazy SOBs are going to have a very tough time
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after that, because I think probably after Donald Trump's done with his second term, he's probably
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going to want to finally retire somewhat once and for all, you know, go golfing, run his business a
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little bit. I don't think he's probably going to want to be involved in politics, something that's
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almost destroyed his life, almost something that's almost taken his life now two times.
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So these rhinos are going to have a very, very tough time. Do you think in the next four years, we just
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saw this guy Durante lose his seat in California. He was a rhino, but he's probably stolen seat from
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him, took a month, over a month to count the votes. Do you think we'll see over the now the next four
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years, President Trump and his team of folks like Elon Musk start to weed out some of these rhinos who
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have just absolutely destroyed the party, Roger? You know, I can be honest with you, John, I think
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Donald Trump has fundamentally changed the nature of the Republican Party, and it's never going back.
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We're never again going to be the party of Wall Street. We're never going to be the party of the
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country club. We're never going to be the party of the moneyed elites or the globalists. We're never
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going to be the party of war or the party of censorship. Those days are over. The days that we were the
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party of the country club, Bush Republicans, those days are done. The new Republican Party,
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or I should say the new MAGA movement, which is broader and larger and more powerful than the
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Republican Party, is the party of the middle class. It's the party of working people. It's the party of
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common sense. It's the party of low energy prices. It's the party of spending cuts. It's the party of
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tax reduction. It's the party of lower inflation. And most importantly, it's the party of peace.
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It's going to be the party that stands for secure borders. And then I expect Donald Trump will crack
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down on the drug crisis in this country and the crime crisis in this country. So it's never going
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back. If you're some country club Republican thinking, well, we just have to wait Trump out.
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You don't understand the sea change that's taking place here. Secondarily, J.D. Vance has
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four years to prove himself. He proved himself in a tremendous debate with his opponent. He proved
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himself on the campaign trail. He's off to a very strong start. I think Donald Trump could have no
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better partner. There's a level of trust there based, I think, largely on the senator's excellent
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record in the Senate where he proved that he's not a neocon. He's not a country club Republican.
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They hate him because he went to Yale. Give me a break. This guy had to fight for everything he's
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ever gotten. He comes from a hardscrabble, hardscrabbed background. He comes from a very
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troubled childhood, family-wise. He's fought and earned for everything he has. He's been a tremendous
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success, a success in business, a proud military veteran who served his country with honor,
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who won himself a seat in the Senate. And then when he went to the Senate, like Trump, he did
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exactly what he said he was going to do when he was running for the Senate. How incredibly rare.
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So I think there is a potentially a strong candidate there. You have new stars in this party. Look at
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Tulsi Gabbard, who's now a Republican, formerly a Democrat. She left the Democrat Party because when she
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joined that party, that was the party of peace and the part of civil liberties and the party of civil
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rights, the party of free speech. But she doesn't recognize her old party because those who used to
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follow Kennedy and Truman now follow Marx and Lenin. And she realizes that the Republican Party is where
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it's at in terms of peace and prosperity and security and justice. So I think we have not only
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in Vice President Vance, a strong potential presidential candidate, but in people like
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Tulsi Gabbard, strong national candidates, I expect she'll be a candidate for vice president,
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president someday. I think that the future is very bright for the MAGA wing, the dominant wing
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of the Republican Party. Now, if I were a senator, say from, oh, I don't know, let's say South Dakota,
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and I was up in 2026, I think long and hard about voting against Kash Patel as the FBI director or
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Tulsi Gabbard as the national director of intelligence or Pete Hegseth as the secretary
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of defense, because the people have spoken and it wasn't a whisper. The people have spoken loud and
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clear. A president is entitled to his nominees. That's why our system works. Unless the nominee has
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done something illegal or dishonest, you're not supposed to vote against them on the basis of
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your disagreement with their political philosophy. Nope. But that's what's being talked about here.
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When you see senators like James Lankford of Oklahoma saying that, you know, he has reservations about
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Tulsi Gabbard, really? Senator, did you serve your country in combat in two wars?
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Right. You know, can you can you say that you have put your life on the line for the United States?
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Because she can. She's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve who served in combat in both Iraq
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and Kuwait. Four terms in Congress as a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Armed Services
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Committee, more than qualified for this job. And to have a senator who didn't serve, whose previous
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experience was running a Christian summer camp for children, questioning the patriotism and the
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loyalty of Tulsi Gabbard, that is an outrage. So I say this, if I lived in Oklahoma today, I would go
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online. I'd find the email address and the phone number for Senator Lankford's office. And I would send
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him a respectful, polite, respectful message telling him to vote for the president's nominees.
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Donald Trump carried all 77 counties in Oklahoma. He's the only man in history. He's done it twice
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now. The people have spoken, Senator. These are the president's nominees. You need to get on board.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. The whole the idea of these rhinos just absolutely demolishing this
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party, I think, as you said, is a way of the past. I want to take a quick break here. And when we come
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back, I want to talk about some of those folks who are up for reelection in 2026. And one of them was on
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his way out the door right now, a man who President Trump brought him across the finish line, took him
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to dance, and then he didn't want to dance. We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone, folks.
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Folks, we're back. We're talking with the great Roger Stone, one of our weekly guests here on
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The Great America Show. We can't get enough of them. Roger, one of our good friends, giving his
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farewell speech this week as he departs the Senate. Let's take a listen to this psychopath.
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There are some today who would tear at our unity, who would replace love with hate,
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who deride our foundation of virtue, or who debase the values upon which the blessings of heaven depend.
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Now, I've been in public service for 25 years. I have learned that politics alone cannot measure
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up to the challenges we face. A country's character is a reflection not just of its elected officials,
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but also of its people. I leave Washington to return to be one among them and hope to be a voice
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of unity and virtue. For it is only if the American people merit his benevolence that God
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will continue to bless America. May he do so is my prayer.
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Roger, imagine making your farewell speech about the man who created you. This is a man who
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quite honestly got on his knees with knee pads on. The second he smelled that Trump was teasing him
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for secretary of state. Trump now tells us after the fact that he was just trolling him and having
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some fun with it. But nonetheless, he's the one who gave him that seat in Utah. So, you know, he's to
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thank for it. But Mitt Romney's of the world. Do you think they're finally starting to see the light?
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Well, I think he's a special case. There is a man who believes in absolutely nothing whatsoever.
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Ran for the first time for the U.S. Senate in his home state of Massachusetts against Ted Kennedy,
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was a supporter then of abortion on demand and same-sex marriage. Ran to Kennedy's left. I didn't
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know there was any room over there. Then ran two disastrous campaigns for president. He had several
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different debates with Barack Obama, but he was a different person in each debate. Never really quite
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understood what he believed in. He said he was severely conservative. Well, John, nobody who's
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a conservative would describe themselves as severely conservative. He's because Mitt Romney's not a
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conservative. All he believes in nothing other than crony capitalism. And then when a U.S. Senate seat
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opens up in Utah, he goes to Donald Trump and he begs for the endorsement for that seat. Now,
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the Republican attorney general of Utah, who'd been planning his entire career to run for that seat,
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agrees to step aside at the request of President Donald Trump. Trump endorses Mitt Romney. Mitt
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Romney easily wins a seat in a state in which he has a vacation home, but which he doesn't really live
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and goes to the U.S. Senate. And then just as his father, George Romney, plunged a knife in the back of
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Republican nominee Barry Goldwater in 1964, Mitt Romney knifes Donald Trump by voting for his
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impeachment. He's a man devoid of character. He's a man devoid of talent, in my opinion. He's a
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disgrace. And his real problem is jealousy. His real problem is jealousy because he prepared his whole
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life preparing to become president. He shapeshifted from liberal Republican to moderate Republican to
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conservative Republican back to liberal Republican. And the people never bought his act and he couldn't
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get elected. Now comes Donald Trump, who makes it all look so effortless. Trump gets elected simply by
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being Trump and talking straight to the American people at a time that the American people are tired
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of politicians and they're tired of the politicians who are constantly changing positions. I mean,
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Mitt Romney has had more positions than he's had hair colors. I mean, the guy is, he is just as phony
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as can be. And the people have seen this. By the way, he left the Senate because he would have lost a
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Republican primary in Utah. He could have put millions of his own money in. He said he would have lost the
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state convention and he would have lost a Republican primary. Trent Staggs, who was a brave mayor who
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stepped forward when no one else would, unfortunately doesn't win the primary. And the senator,
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they did elect a guy named Curtis. He's more liberal than Mitt Romney. It's really disgraceful.
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And he's one of the rhinos we're talking about who is who is talking about voting against the
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president's nominees. So it's very strange. Utah is a conservative state. It's a state where Donald
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Trump is very popular. He won very big in Utah all three times that he was on the ballot.
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And I think, in all honesty, since there is no provision in Utah law under which a senator can
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be removed, I thought actually the president should do a rally in Salt Lake City and call on people to
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sign a petition demanding that Mitt Romney resign from the Senate because he's lost their confidence.
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Now, he didn't do that, but I kind of wished he had.
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Roger Stone stirring the pot. That's why I love this man so much. But it's true. You know,
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I was talking with Mark Mitchell, head pollster for Rasmussen yesterday. And, you know, we'd have
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to stop normalizing these rhinos. And I made a prediction. You know, the guys like Mitt Romney,
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Mitt Romney's got the look. And this is why I think a big part of why these people have such
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Trump derangement syndromes. Like you said, they go according to plan because some become someone's
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chief of staff in a state legislator. That person then becomes the next legislator. And then they move
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up to Congress, you go with them and you run the seat. It's a whole circle jerk that these people
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follow this formula. Mitt Romney, he had the look to be president. It looks like a man is president,
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but this absolutely isn't. Donald Trump doesn't look like a president. I mean, he's the greatest
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president we've ever had, but doesn't look like your typical president. You know, he's out there,
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he dances, he has fun and not your typical president because he's not a politician. And I
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think it drives these people who have planned their whole entire lives, like you said, around
00:25:56.300
the next promotion to become a senator or a congressman or governor. And Donald Trump just
00:26:01.480
comes in with the hacksaw and takes them all out. I want to talk about 2026 because there's a lot of
00:26:06.480
names, Roger, that are up for reelection. And what I was talking with Mark Mitchell about yesterday was
00:26:11.980
that time and time again, we see things happen in the Senate where one bill or one issue decides the
00:26:19.400
fate of that senator. And my prediction was we're going to see a big Trump bill come up in 2025 or early
00:26:24.720
2026 in which Senator will use Susan Collins, for example, is going to be the saving vote for that
00:26:31.360
bill. And all of a sudden she's now going to become this great Republican. We're all going to forget
00:26:35.520
about what she's done the last 50 plus years that she's been in politics. So you've got guys like
00:26:41.520
Tom Cotton who are up for your election. Joni Ernst has proved herself to be nothing more than a
00:26:45.900
rhino. Bill Cassidy down in Louisiana, rhino. Susan Collins, as I mentioned, up in Maine, rhino. Mitch
00:26:52.160
McConnell's up for reelection. The man can't even get two words out without stroking out. Rhino.
00:26:57.220
You've got guys like Mark Wayne Mullen who are threatening some of Trump's picks. Tom Tillis,
00:27:01.960
another one. Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham's on Hannity every single night. Hannity claims to be
00:27:06.440
a Republican. Why are you having Lindsey Graham on your show every single night? When you know it,
00:27:11.060
Lindsey Graham's a threat to democracy. The guy wants nothing more than wars in the Middle East.
00:27:15.120
John Cornyn, another one. Mike Rounds. How do we stop normalizing this behavior, Roger, that these
00:27:23.980
guys with 34 percent conservative scores are Republicans? Well, the answer is to challenge
00:27:31.040
them in primaries and make sure that their primary opponents are both qualified and extremely well
00:27:36.040
funded. Now, look, I know Susan Collins. I actually like Susan Collins. I think she's more open-minded
00:27:42.200
than some of the others that you mentioned. That said, she also represents a state that
00:27:48.940
did not go heavily for Donald Trump. But a senator like Rounds, there's no excuse for him not supporting
00:27:56.640
the president's nominees. I bet Donald Trump's approval in South Dakota, I would bet, is probably
00:28:03.360
in the 90s, in all honesty. Cassidy in Louisiana, I think, is going to find himself on the short end of
00:28:10.140
the stick, because Donald Trump is extremely popular in Louisiana. These senators, I think,
00:28:18.480
need to wake up and recognize this is a new party. They can go get all their special interest money,
00:28:24.100
but at the end of the day, a lot of them are going to be endangered. But they can only be defeated
00:28:30.280
if we recruit good men and women to run against them. Now, there's a lot of speculation,
00:28:36.360
which I don't agree with, that since Marco Rubio is leaving the Senate to become Secretary of State,
00:28:43.560
which is an appointment that I support. I live in Florida. I must tell you, he's a very effective
00:28:47.980
senator. He's been very, very good on constituent service. And he's been very tough on the communists
00:28:53.860
in this hemisphere when it comes to Venezuela, when it comes to Cuba. I think he's done a great job.
00:28:59.320
He's worked very closely with the president. Having run against him, unlike some of the others,
00:29:04.480
he's repaired his relationship with the president, and they have an excellent relationship.
00:29:08.720
And I think Marco Rubio understands that as Secretary of State, his job is not to carry out
00:29:13.300
his policies. His job is to carry out and execute the policies of the president. I think he's going
00:29:18.440
to be very good at it. But because he will presumably vacate his seat in the early part of the new term
00:29:27.760
that he's just been elected to, we'll have a special election in 2026 for that seat. Now,
00:29:34.680
there's speculation that Governor DeSantis would appoint Lara Trump. I would love that. I think
00:29:42.240
she'd be a great senator. I think she did a great job at the Republican National Committee.
00:29:46.040
She's an excellent public speaker. She's a great advocate for her father and the America First
00:29:51.820
policies. She'd be a strong candidate. In the end of the day, I don't think that's going to happen.
00:29:58.600
I think DeSantis will end up appointing a caretaker, somebody who's not going to run for re-election to
00:30:05.060
the seat. And then, which is his right, seek the seat himself in 2026, which is when his term as
00:30:12.940
governor ends. And he cannot run for governor again because we have a two-term limit under the
00:30:18.800
Florida Constitution. So he can run for president again in 2028 and get beat again in 2028. But I
00:30:27.040
think that's the game plan. Now, what I think Lara Trump should do is go to her home state,
00:30:34.440
her native state of North Carolina, and take Tom Tillis on in the primary. Because she could beat
00:30:39.120
Tillis in the primary. And she'd still be a very strong general election candidate. So she could
00:30:44.520
take out a rhino, win that Republican primary, and then win the general election and hold the seat for
00:30:50.440
the GOP. That's how I hope this unfolds. I think she would be a great U.S. senator. Maybe I'm wrong.
00:30:56.860
Maybe she'll get appointed in Florida, but I kind of doubt it. But if she's not, I think she has great
00:31:02.620
public service ahead of her. And I think the place to do that is in her native state of North Carolina.
00:31:08.760
Yeah, I can't imagine DeSantis wanting to do that to himself. He didn't make it to the primary. Is
00:31:14.140
that correct against Donald Trump for the 2024 nomination? Well, here's the key point, is that
00:31:20.740
he actually never endorsed Donald Trump. Go back and read his words. He withdrew from the race,
00:31:26.420
saying that he was withdrawing because a majority of Republicans favored the candidacy of Donald Trump.
00:31:31.700
But then he never met the one step and said, and therefore I endorse and will support Donald Trump. He
00:31:36.100
never said that. He never campaigned for him anywhere in Florida. We had a giant rally in
00:31:40.580
Doral. It was an amazing rally, huge crowd. He would have been very well received. But you know
00:31:45.620
what, John? He didn't show up. I can't think of a single campaign event that he showed up at. Now,
00:31:51.860
President Trump graciously allowed him to address the Republican National Convention,
00:31:56.480
as he did Nikki Haley. But once again, go back and look at DeSantis' remarks. There is no
00:32:02.460
strong endorsement for Donald Trump. So he, I think a smarter politician would have realized I'm beat.
00:32:10.160
I need to repair my relationships with the America First movement and with Donald Trump.
00:32:14.420
I would have hit the campaign hard trail hard on behalf of Trump. I would have campaigned
00:32:19.220
as hard as I could, but he didn't do that. And at the end of the day, it's just my opinion,
00:32:24.340
obviously, but I don't think he will appoint a Laura Trump who would be excellent to the U.S. Senate.
00:32:29.440
Yeah. And I mean, she has her whole family down there. Her and Eric live a very normal life down
00:32:34.540
there. You know, I'm not entirely sure she'd want to uproot and go back home with her kids,
00:32:38.580
go to school there. And honestly, Roger, it's a shitty job at the end of the day. You don't make
00:32:42.780
any friends being there. You know, it's not exactly a favorable. I've thought about running for
00:32:49.140
Congress myself many times. Lou begged me to do it against my congresswoman who was a rhino,
00:32:53.560
but I'm like, I don't really want to do it. You know, I don't want to live that life and have to kiss
00:32:58.300
people's ass and beg for money. It's not who I am. And, you know, I have no really interest
00:33:02.160
in doing that, but we'll see. I, like I said, I, like you said, I think should be an excellent
00:33:07.040
senator. I want to take one more quick break here, Roger. When we return, A.G. Merrick Garland
00:33:11.760
is begging deep state lawyers to remain at the DOJ and says the department needs their quote
00:33:16.060
institutional knowledge. I want to take that up. Also, George Soros, he's having a very tough time.
00:33:24.000
21 of his backed prosecutors have been ousted since 2022. I also want to take up, as a man
00:33:29.980
who's received a pardon himself, what your thoughts are on Hunter Biden getting a pardon.
00:33:35.080
We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone. Stay with us, folks.
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Folks, we're back. We're talking with our good friend, the great Roger Stone, host of The Stone
00:34:47.260
Zone. You can catch him each and every night on Rumble, a must-watch show. Roger, I want to start
00:34:52.260
with, first, Hunter Biden getting a pardon very effortlessly from his father. Mixed reactions
00:35:00.400
from people on both sides, some on the right saying, how can you not pardon his son? I understand that
00:35:05.700
from a standpoint, but I also look back and see Joe Biden told us he would never pardon his son
00:35:10.640
and would let the process play out. It turns out he's a liar, and we've known since June now that
00:35:16.040
he's been lying. As a man who fought tooth and nail to have to get a pardon for absolutely doing
00:35:22.700
nothing wrong, which makes it even harder for someone like you to probably fathom with this,
00:35:27.200
whereas you look at Hunter Biden, a known criminal, we have the evidence. It's right in front of our
00:35:31.940
eyes. He gave it to us. Having to get a pardon for free for nothing, absolutely nothing. It's his
00:35:37.600
daddy. What's your thoughts on it, Roger? Well, it's very sensitive to me, John, because there's
00:35:42.600
a great narrative all over the internet that says that Roger Stone and his wife evaded $2.5 million
00:35:48.280
in taxes, but they paid no penalty, and they were not prosecuted, whereas Hunter Biden was prosecuted
00:35:55.960
for a tax evasion. Let me be very clear. My wife and I owe $2 million in taxes. 75% of that is interest
00:36:04.540
in penalties, and it's all from 2006. My taxes are up to date for every year from 2006 to the current
00:36:11.520
time. Evaded taxes, I've made a payment every month since 2007 without missing a payment, and the
00:36:19.940
government will give me no break on interest or penalty, which is usually negotiable. So we never
00:36:26.560
evaded taxes. We reported every penny of income, and we accurately reported our assets. They filed a civil
00:36:34.500
suit against me simply because I had no ability to pay. John, we ran out of money. We lost our home,
00:36:41.260
our car, our insurance, our savings, my ability while gagged to make a living and support my family.
00:36:48.440
I simply could no longer pay. But when Hunter Biden's lawyers tried to argue falsely that while Roger Stone
00:36:56.420
and his wife evaded taxes, the judge in the case looked at our situation and his and says,
00:37:02.340
this is apples and oranges. Hunter Biden failed to report $10 million plus of income. Again,
00:37:10.280
we reported every penny. So this is a false narrative that has to be corrected, but you'll never see it
00:37:17.640
corrected in the mainstream media. I also wonder why they backdated this pardon all the way to 2014.
00:37:25.920
Right. And I would point out to you that while the Supreme Court decision regarding presidential
00:37:31.800
immunity may protect Joe Biden from payments that made their way to him while he was president,
00:37:38.980
vice presidents have no such immunity. Under James Comer and the House investigation,
00:37:45.120
there is no question now that Joe Biden, when he said he knew nothing about Hunter's business and
00:37:50.820
nobody in my family received any money from China, those are lies. Those are egregious lies.
00:37:57.120
And I'm hopeful that Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel will investigate and find out
00:38:06.560
exactly what happened. If in fact, Joe Biden, as a sitting vice president, was taking huge payments from
00:38:12.240
China or Russia or Ukraine or Romania or any other country, as appears to be the case, well,
00:38:19.080
then he ought to be prosecuted. That's what happens when you have a one-tier justice system
00:38:24.280
and everybody's held to the same standard. That said, this doesn't surprise me. I would be surprised
00:38:32.340
if Joe Biden doesn't pardon his brother, other members of the Biden crime family, perhaps even
00:38:38.000
himself before he leaves office. So this idea that Roger Stone was pardoned. Yeah. And the judge
00:38:47.460
withheld exculpatory evidence of my trial would prove I didn't do anything wrong. No, sorry, folks. I wasn't
00:38:53.960
lying to cover up Russian collusion because there was no Russian collusion to cover up. No, I wasn't lying to
00:39:00.600
cover up WikiLeaks collaboration because there was no WikiLeaks collaboration to cover up. The judge
00:39:07.440
refused to give us the CrowdStrikes report. I could have proven that there, through expert testimony
00:39:12.700
and forensic evidence, there was no online hack of the DNC. The FBI admitted in the pretrial motions
00:39:19.780
they'd never inspected the computer servers at the DNC. And actually, when BuzzFeed went into federal
00:39:28.300
court to force the U.S. Department of Justice to disgorge Robert Mueller's final report, you can see it
00:39:34.900
right there in black and white. They found no evidence of Russian collusion or collaboration
00:39:39.820
with WikiLeaks so that I had received any materials from WikiLeaks. So it's pretty simple. John, you know
00:39:45.860
this. Lou certainly know it. They framed me for a non-existent process crime in an effort to pressure me
00:39:53.320
into testifying falsely against Donald Trump. And I simply refused to do it. And through the grace of
00:39:59.480
God and a lot of prayer, Donald Trump saw that I was being politically persecuted, that I'd really done
00:40:05.020
nothing wrong. And he not only commuted my sentence, but he gave me a full and unconditional
00:40:12.040
presidential pardon. Now, there's a piece in Politico yesterday about a guy I'm very excited about, a guy
00:40:18.760
named Anthony Constantino, a young, dynamic businessman from upstate New York, who's announced
00:40:24.500
that he will seek the seat of Elise Stefanik, who is vacating the seat to become Donald Trump's UN
00:40:29.860
ambassador. An excellent appointment, by the way. She is a bulldog when it comes to the Constitution and
00:40:36.340
our freedoms and the corruption in our criminal justice system. And it's a great story. It mentions
00:40:42.540
that I am supporting Constantino, which I am because I'm very impressed with him. It mentions that my
00:40:47.600
sentence is commuted, but nowhere in there does it mention that I was pardoned. And I've asked the
00:40:52.740
guy who wrote it for Politico, I've asked him two times for an update, an online update, but that
00:40:59.840
update doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It's just another example of how the fake news media distorts
00:41:06.000
the facts. You know, it's funny, Roger, I was just Googling real quick. You've been in this business for
00:41:10.660
over 50 years. Is it safe to say that's an accurate number?
00:41:15.800
Okay, so you've been in this business 50 years. It took you 40-something years to all of a sudden
00:41:22.160
become a criminal. It makes no sense to me. You're in this business 50. Usually people who are criminals,
00:41:27.240
Roger, live a life filled of crime. It's usually not one instance where you decide, all right,
00:41:32.140
50 years later, now I'm 65 years old, I'm going to become a criminal and I'm going to lie.
00:41:36.860
It's mind-blowing to me that you decided after 50 years, you're going to become a criminal.
00:41:40.960
The other thing that's crazy to me, Roger, is if you look at the situation, the no underlying crime,
00:41:46.700
this is the thing that blows my mind. If you're under oath and you're giving a statement to the
00:41:50.280
FBI about the alleged crime, but there is no underlying crime to begin with. And you make a
00:41:56.520
false statement, whether it be on purpose or by accident, by not recalling something, you are held
00:42:02.600
responsible for that false statement or that incorrect statement you gave, but there's no
00:42:07.820
underlying crime in the first place for this case to be even brought, which is the, it seems the,
00:42:13.300
the scenario in which you found yourself or which they allege that you found yourself in. So that's
00:42:18.440
mind-blowing to me in the first place because there's no investigation. There's no Roger Stone
00:42:22.400
under oath in the first place without this bullshit that they perpetrated on you. You brought up DNC
00:42:28.340
WikiLeaks and you'd mentioned Lou. Nobody cared more about that, that situation than Lou. And when
00:42:34.020
Lou came out and spoke about it, Lou got sued by Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was shot in the back
00:42:39.980
of his head in what they called was a robbery and nothing was ever stolen from him. My lawyer,
00:42:46.240
a man by the name of Ty Clevenger has been investigating it now since it happened, asked the FBI for the
00:42:51.960
laptop. They were demanded to turn it over by a court, never turned over that laptop. Very odd. The FBI
00:42:57.500
said they had the laptop. Then they said they didn't have the laptop. The laptop was allegedly sent
00:43:01.220
out to Seth's brother in Colorado. Never got just a whole cluster mess. And, and it turns out
00:43:07.420
that Lou was most likely vindicated. We, you know, we don't know what the settlement was between the
00:43:13.600
Rich family and Fox news, but there was reportedly a settlement where they were paid out. The Rich
00:43:17.980
family cared more about getting a payday from Fox news than finding out what really happened to their
00:43:22.920
son. So that's sort of a travesty. If you look at it, the other thing you brought up was Comer and
00:43:29.640
the investigations in the Biden family. Do you think Comer now goes harder than he went before
00:43:34.920
with the Republican Congress, the Republican Senate, with the Republican in the white house?
00:43:40.020
I certainly, I certainly hope so because it's abundantly clear that Joe Biden does not have
00:43:45.920
immunity from acts that took place during his vice presidency. And if a vice president United States
00:43:53.580
is a crook, well, I think we need to know that. What you say is absolutely right, by the way,
00:43:58.420
Ty Clevenger, an excellent lawyer representing you, who's been fighting very hard to get to the bottom
00:44:03.680
of what really happened here. But, but in order to violate the false statements act, your statement has
00:44:11.540
to not only be willfully false, but it has to be material. Right. And no, my testimony was voluntary
00:44:19.100
and nothing I said that was incorrect. I did make some mistakes, but as you point out, they hid no
00:44:25.380
underlying crime because there was no underlying crime to hide. So it is, it is fairly outrageous.
00:44:32.480
Meanwhile, James Clapper testifies under oath that no, we don't have a metadata collection system on
00:44:39.420
Americans. That's a lie, a material lie. John Brennan says, no, I wasn't spying on a U.S. Senate
00:44:46.060
committee that was looking into my illegal use of torture as CIA director. That's a material lie for
00:44:52.340
which he should have been prosecuted. James Comey lies multiple times before the Congress under oath.
00:44:59.440
Hillary Clinton, Jake Sullivan, these people all lie under oath, but they lie about material matters
00:45:04.940
that actually matter. Of course, none of them were prosecuted. So it is, as I said earlier,
00:45:10.320
it's time to rebalance the scales of justice. It's time to return to a one tiered criminal justice
00:45:16.500
system in which people who actually commit crimes, unlike me, are prosecuted. I'll be waiting patiently
00:45:23.360
for that. Yeah. Cause you know, at the end of the day, Roger, it's not fair. It's not fair that you've
00:45:27.420
worked your whole entire life. You're in your seventies now. I don't mean to call it your age,
00:45:31.580
but I think it's important that the people realize you worked your whole entire life to
00:45:35.920
eventually retire one day with your wife and live a normal life. And five years ago, when you decided
00:45:41.400
you were going to back Donald Trump, and it wasn't just five years ago, folks, Roger Stone was behind
00:45:45.660
Donald Trump back in 2001 and 2000, even beforehand. But nonetheless, in 2016, when you decided you were
00:45:53.400
going to help Donald Trump win the White House, which you did, everything came collapsing down on you.
00:45:59.340
And that was it. Everything you'd worked for your whole entire life was now fair game. Every dollar
00:46:04.540
you've ever earned was now a fair game that you would have to spend to defend yourself over absolutely
00:46:10.340
nothing. How do people like you ever recuperate? I mean, you can't sue for reparations. It'll just
00:46:16.040
be a waste of time because we've got a corrupt justice department. We have corrupt judges. How does
00:46:20.980
someone like you ever recuperate funds to, you're going to be paying off a tax bill for the rest of
00:46:25.620
your life, Roger? I mean, how do you justify that? How do people like you deal with something like
00:46:31.800
this? It's not right. You ask an excellent question. Let me say this. Although my wife and
00:46:40.220
I may now be materially much poorer, we're spiritually much richer. So I was sustained only through my faith
00:46:47.840
in God and because I was redeemed in the blood of the cross and I returned to the church of my
00:46:54.540
parents and my grandparents and my great-grandparents. And yeah, I get it that the people over at Washington
00:46:59.500
Monthly think that's corny or trite. I don't really care what they think. You know what I care about?
00:47:05.640
I care about what he thinks. That's all I really care about. So we're rebuilding. And frankly,
00:47:11.680
I'm just happy to be alive and around for this incredible moment in which this country is about
00:47:17.340
to undertake an unprecedented golden age of peace and prosperity and security and justice under a man
00:47:26.080
who's already proven to be a great president, but will prove to be an even greater president in his
00:47:31.300
second term. So it's funny. During the questioning by the House Intelligence Committee, I was asked whether
00:47:39.440
I'd spoken to anti-Russians and I didn't recall having done so. And then it turned out later that
00:47:45.440
I had been contacted by a man who called himself Greenberg. And Greenberg, this fellow who called
00:47:54.620
himself Greenberg, said he needed to meet with me. I met with him very briefly. He told me that he had
00:48:00.160
information on Hillary Clinton and he thought it could be very helpful to Donald Trump. And I said,
00:48:05.980
well, you know, when a presidential campaign stuff comes in over the transom all the time,
00:48:09.960
I'd have to see it to know whether it had any value. He said, well, that's going to cost you
00:48:14.460
two million bucks. And I said, well, A, I don't have two million bucks. And if I did have two million
00:48:20.000
dollars, this is not how I would spend it. And he said, no, no, you don't understand. It's not your
00:48:23.900
money I want. It's Donald Trump's money. And I said, well, that's the end of this meeting then,
00:48:28.900
because he has no interest in buying any information from you or anyone else. And I left.
00:48:33.140
Right. Now, later, it turns out that I didn't know this at the time that Mr. Greenberg was a
00:48:37.780
Russian national. But guess what else he was, John? He was an FBI informant. Of course. He was
00:48:44.520
only in Miami. I have the documents. He was only in Miami because he had been convicted of a violent
00:48:50.720
crime in Russia at the at the sufferance of the Miami station chief of the FBI. So it was a sting
00:48:58.240
operation. Now, in the beginning, Adam Schiff, that pencil neck and Eric Swallows. Well,
00:49:05.020
they were jumping up and down screaming, Trump lied about meeting a Russian. But then when they found
00:49:09.940
out that the Russian in question was an FBI informant, he disappeared entirely from their
00:49:15.400
hearings. There's one sentence about him in the Mueller report. And they didn't mention that he was
00:49:24.220
You know, I got to be honest with you, Roger, you could be Russian for all I know. And I've spoken
00:49:28.760
to you many times over the course of the last few years. And I wouldn't even know, you know,
00:49:33.280
it never dawns upon me to ask somebody where they domiciled before I speak to them. But now,
00:49:38.080
you know, I think I probably should start asking as xenophobic or racist as it may sound.
00:49:43.520
Roger, we know you're striped for time. We appreciate you joining us each and every day here on the
00:49:47.300
Great America show. Folks, I want to leave you guys with something. 202-224-3121, 202-224-3121.
00:49:55.900
Call your senators, folks, if you live in Oklahoma, if you live in Maine, and put the pressure on them.
00:50:02.900
Trust me, this is from people I know on the inside. It moves the needle. You may say calling
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them is not going to do anything. These congressmen, these senators all walk around their offices.
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They hear the phones ringing all day long. Some of them, congressmen I've worked for after I've
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gotten off the phone and said, who just called and what did they want? It moves the needle. Trust
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me. Roger, you get the last word here. As we look forward to just under over a month until President
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Trump's back in the White House. Well, John, it's great to be with you. You raised an interesting
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question about ethnicity. I, of course, am half Hungarian and half Italian. I'm Italian from the
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waist down. John is right about this, though. I'm going to say it again. 202-224-3121.
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That's the Capitol Hill operator. Politely ask for your senator's office. And when you call and
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politely say to them, don't yell, don't shout, don't curse. Politely say to them that they should
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support the president's nominee. And if they do not do so, you will remember when they come up for
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re-election or when they are challenged. With that, we'll leave it there. God bless you,
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John. Thanks for having me. And well, we'll see you next week.
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You're absolutely right. Roger, Great American, we all pray for you each and every day on this show
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and hope that one day the wrongs are righted because you deserve it, brother.
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Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show. I appreciate
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