The Great America Sunday Show: January 12, 2025
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After the funeral of former President Jimmy Carter, former President Barack Obama and his wife Michelle attended a memorial service in Washington, D.C. where they were joined by former Vice President Joe Biden and former California Governor Kamala Harris. Meanwhile, fires continue to burn in Southern California.
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Hello, everybody. Welcome to The Great America Show. It's great to have you with us today.
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Thanks so much for joining us. A lot going on in the country right now. Today, you had
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the funeral of Jimmy Carter as he laid rest in the Capitol in Washington, D.C. Some of
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our world leaders, some of our American leaders there, George Bush attending, Barack Obama
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attending, Michelle Obama noticeably not present there. There's going to be a lot of talk,
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I think, over the next few days about some conversations that Barack Obama and Donald
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Trump were having. The two are believed to not really be fond of each other. I mean, you may
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recall President Barack Hussein Obama was the one who spied on President Trump and spied on Trump
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Tower when President Trump was running in 2016. So I think President Trump has all the right to have
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some animosity with the former president. But they were sitting in the second row of the of the
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cathedral. And Kamala Harris and her husband, Doug Emhoff, were sitting in the first row. And
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before the proceedings started, Obama and Trump were having quite a few laughs together, smiles,
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to which Kamala Harris turned around, gave them a dirty look, turned right back around,
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looked forward and let out a sigh. Now, I don't know if it's that sigh that she's going to be out of
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office in 11 days or that nobody can really stand her for what she did to Joe Biden, kicking him out
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of out of the White House and out of the presidential race and taking over like a coward. Also happening
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in this country right now, we have wildfires ablaze in California. This is something President Trump
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has been speaking about since 2016 into the 2020 election. And then as early as just about two or
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three months ago, from his golf course in Palos Verdes, California, which is on the cliffs of L.A.,
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blaming Gavin Newsom throughout for his poor management of forest and wildfire preventative
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prevention systems. What we know right now is at least five people have been killed, nearly 180,000
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people displaced from their homes in L.A. At least five fires are currently burning right now,
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covering 45 square miles, obviously sparked by dry conditions and powerful winds, causing
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unprecedented scenes in areas not known for fires. We don't really see them happening that often in
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Malibu and L.A., where they're happening now in Hollywood. The Palos Verdes fires burned through
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nearly 17,000 acres, almost 27 square miles. It's destroyed nearly a thousand structures entirely
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uncontained right now, making it most destructive in L.A. history. The latest blaze is the sunset,
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set fire, which took place. It started last night around 6 p.m., burning through Hollywood Hills,
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taking 60 acres so far. More than 350,000 people are without power, including 200,000 in L.A. County,
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which is the most populous county in the country. The intense Santa Ana winds have eased compared to the
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last two days, down to 40 to 50 miles an hour winds, but are expected to go 50 to 70 by tonight.
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Folks, bad conditions for the people out there in California. We pray for them. We feel for them.
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Elections have consequences, and I don't want to make this political by any means, but
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the Democrats running L.A., the Democrats running California for a very, very long time,
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they're responsible for everything that goes on in L.A., everything that goes on in that county.
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The people in L.A. had the opportunity to get rid of Karen Bass, their mayor, last year. They
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declined. Why? Why do that to yourselves? We hope that the tides start to turn and people start to
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wake up. We saw what happened just a few weeks ago in the 2024 election when Donald Trump getting nearly
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a million more votes in California than he did in the previous election. Right here in New York,
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the same thing as well, but we really need people to start waking up to the reality of what these
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Democrats are doing to our country and what they're doing to places like L.A. I want to bring in our
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guest today. He's not from L.A. His name is actually Mr. New York. He goes by the name Mr. New York.
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He's Mark Simone, legendary radio host, and I got to give Mark a shout out. He's rated the number one
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show on 710WOR by Barrett Media and major market midday shows on the Mark Simone show. Mark,
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congratulations once again. Another successful year for you and your radio programming.
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Thanks for joining us today. Well, thanks for having me. Great to be here.
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And I don't know where to start. Where do you want to start?
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Well, let's start with these wildfires, Mark. I mean, running ablaze. I want to begin with first
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by talking about a lady named Christine Larson. In 2013, the L.A. County created the DEI Bureau,
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Mark, diversity, equity and inclusion, because Americans are inherently racist. At least that's
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what they say about us. And they promoted the first black lesbian to the I think she's lieutenant
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assistant chief under the battalion. She makes about $400,000 a year, Mark. Now, I haven't seen any
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government employee making that much money since going through some of the payroll of some of Mayor
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Eric Adams' police officers here in New York where corruption is high. But I want to play this clip
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from a few years ago from this lady, Christine Larson, who is now promoted to run the assistant
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chief of the Bureau. So I want to reach down and bring you up. And that's kind of something that
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stuck with me to this day. Part of that work means speaking up for those who can't. Over the last few
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years, LAFD has dealt with a fair share of controversy and Larson not afraid to sound the
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alarm. I chose to speak out pretty much by myself about the issues of sexism and racism within my
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department and the need for change. I don't think there's any question that our department is the best
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at fighting fires. We do it better than anybody in the world. But when it comes to the personnel side,
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we have some issues and they're not insurmountable, but they need to be addressed and fixed to the
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best of everybody's ability. Number one, Mark, at fighting fires in the world. If they're number
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one, I don't even want to see who the hell number two is. First of all, I'd put her and their department
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up against our FDNY any day of the week. New York's bravest, New York's finest, any day of the week.
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These people are completely incompetent, Mark. What say you about this lady who was promoted because
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of DEI? Yeah, well, they always say DEI stands for didn't earn it. In other words,
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fire commissioner, you want somebody with the qualifications, somebody with the talent,
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certain things you pick by color, like furniture, a jacket. But other things you go by,
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you go by talent, you go by experience. And you're talking like fire department is like the police
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department. You're talking life and death here. And we've already had a couple of people die in
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these fires. How many homes have been lost? And you can blame her, but you got to blame every inch
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of California Democratic government not doing forest management for years. Every state has these fires,
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but they can control them fast and easily. But without the forest management, you cannot control
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the fire. It just spreads. They cut off their water supply, diverting the water lanes because they
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they didn't want to hurt a little smelt fish. All of this stuff is insane. And you're starting to
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see certain left wing Hollywood executive celebrities start to turn on all this Democratic stuff because
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they've lost their house. They've lost their neighborhood. And it'll be interesting to see the
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political impact this has over the next couple of years. But is that so selfish of them, Mark,
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these rich Hollywood elites? The city that made them, I mean, some of these guys worth millions,
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some of them worth hundreds of millions, some of them in Hollywood, even worth billions. It's taken
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it to hit them directly, their houses to burn down for them to open their eyes. I mean, how selfish are
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these people? We've been blowing the alarm. I mean, you, I, Lou Dobbs, you get on the list of people who
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have been on the policies on what these folks have been doing, whether it be crime with Gascon being the
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old DA there and the Soros appointed DAs. Why is it taking it to hit them this way that they're finally
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opening their eyes? What about the people whose houses have been robbed? The people have been
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killed and shot, the victims of crimes, of gang abuse, whatever it may be. Isn't it selfish of
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these Hollywood elites to finally now be waking up because they're poor? Five, 10, 20, $30 million
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homes are being burned, Mark. It could be selfish. It could be stupidity. It could be,
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oh, these are smart people in real life. They just live in some dreamland, some fantasy world.
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You know, the idea of don't put the criminal in jail, where that sounds wonderful and touching,
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but when you let them all loose, a lot of people get killed, robbed, raped, stabbed. It's horrible.
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And the same thing with the don't manage the forest, don't tamper with them. Well, a lot of people get
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burned and lose their house and they never learn, you know, after about a month or two of this no bail,
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no jail in New York, you should see it's not working. Or after the 17th forest fire out of control,
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you should, but you know, they just don't, you know, one thing, even germs learn, they mutate,
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they, but not liberals. They never learn from their mistakes.
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And you know what, Mark, it happens right before our eyes. I'm not sure if you got to see this.
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I can't really pronounce her name, but it's Janice Canoas. She has been picked by the department,
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by Karen Bass to run the Department of Water and Power. She earns $750,000 a year, Mark.
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This is now her predecessor was making $477,000. Now, I'm not sure if it's because he was a male,
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but he was making $477,000. She's making now noticeably more $750,000.
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I think I'd quit my job here to go take a public servant job over in California.
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If that's the case, I mean, how do you have a lady who's responsible for the water supply,
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making $750,000 a year, Mark? And then you have these firemen who are turning on these water
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supplies and there's no water coming out of the fire hydrant.
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How do you underpay your firemen? How do you cut the money for all the firefighting stuff
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and then pay these people $700,000? That would make Fauci jealous. I mean,
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that's absolutely ridiculous. You got total incompetence. You got this mayor who wasn't
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even there. She was in Ghana for the inauguration of the new president. Now, watch this. She won't even
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go to the inauguration for the American president this time around. She won't go to that, but she'll
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go to Ghana for that inauguration and for her not to be there. And Trump now calling today for Gavin
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Newsom to resign. Hopefully, he'll keep hitting that message over and over again.
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Yeah, because I mean, who exactly do you blame here? I heard someone saying it yesterday.
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Gavin Newsom had years as lieutenant governor. He had now years as governor. And this is a man who
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wants to be president, Mark. Now, every I think Lou Dobbs used to say correctly, every dog has its
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fleas. But I mean, at what point, Mark, like, do you draw the line that we can't have a man like
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this running the state of California? Now, Newsom is making the perfect case for now Kamala Harris to
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leave the White House or leave the Navy Yard wherever she is on on January 20th, head back to
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California and get herself a cushy job as governor of California. I mean, will the people wake up
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in time for this next election or will they just keep going on with the status quo and
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say, oh, you know what? These people are eventually going to change or eventually going to do the
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right thing. They'll help us eventually. Yeah, that's a good point. You know, that was
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the plan. Kamala goes back, becomes governor of California. But after what they've been through
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with Gavin Newsom, you're right. Many, many in California are going to say maybe we ought to
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get a real leader, a real manager, somebody with some talent. You know, California was for years
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had a Republican governor, Ronald Reagan, lots of Republican governors. Over the last
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20 years, they went totally Democratic left wing, woke kooks. And you've got a state totally
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out of control financially, border wise, migrants everywhere. Now the fires. This is not over
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these fires. This could go for weeks. You could lose half of Los Angeles before this is over.
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Yeah. And you know, it's interesting. I wish you had the clip for today's show. But Joe Rogan
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was speaking with somebody on his podcast. I think it was just about a month ago. And he was
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talking about the phenomenons that California can have. And pretty much what Rogan had said,
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and he's a very smart man, but he's, you know, he's, he's no Harvard educated EPA guy. But basically
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what he said is there can be a phenomenon one day where of California can start in one place
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and it can start in another place and five or six fires can all converge and eventually take over
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the state. And now we're seeing precisely that happening, Mark, Hollywood Hills. When was the
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last time we saw a fire happen in, in Hollywood Hills, Malibu? I mean, and, and then you have
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further ones out over into the East now into the inner part of the, into the state, these winds,
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70 miles an hour mark is, is deadly. All it takes is a tiny ember to fly and hit another dry tree and
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light these places on fire. The thing that's most mind blowing to me is you have Malibu, which is on the
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water. You have an ocean that's sitting right there. Why have they not figured out some sort of
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hydration system where you pull the water right from the damn ocean and have it ready to go as,
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as, you know, backup to fight some of these fires? You know, actually, if you go back to the Joe
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Rogan interview with Trump in October, he asked him about this for about 12 minutes. Trump goes into
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detail on this and he explains about the water, how driving around California years ago, he could see
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all this land was barren. He said, have you had droughts? No. Have you just had none,
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not enough rain? No. They actually deliberately, they have water lanes coming from Canada.
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Millions of gallons, all the water you could ever need. They deliberately divert them into the ocean.
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They deliberately get rid of that water because they were worried about one smelt, one fish
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being damaged. But if anybody wants to go back to the Rogan interview with Trump, there's a 15 minute
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section where they go into what was going to happen with the fires. And it's everything they predicted
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came true. You're right. If it spreads into the into Hollywood, this could be it might mean no Jimmy
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Kimmel show on Monday, but we'll see. You know, it's sad because I obviously a New Yorker. I think
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California is the most beautiful state in this country. If they weren't run by Democrats, I'd have no
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problem living out there, but it's unfortunately, it's unlivable property taxes, irregular taxes,
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crime, wildfires. Now it's, it's a shame because like I said, you go North Mark, you go to Napa
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Valley, you can go South down to to San Diego and out to Lake Tahoe. And it's the most beautiful state
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in this country. And it's just overrun by crime, wildfires and Marx's Dems who are absolutely ruining
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the place. We're talking with Mark Simone, who I might mention, got the number one rated show,
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according to Barrett Media, 710 WOR and major market midday shows. The great Mark Simone,
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Mr. New York, we're coming right back. Stay with us. Mark, when we return, President Trump has been
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right about so much. He continues to be right about so much, but he's moved on to some new things,
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renaming of Gulf of Mexico, going back and taking the Panama Canal and going to take Greenland,
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even if it's by force. Now we have a Democrat who, if you told me four years ago, would be saying the
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things he's saying, agreeing with Trump. I tell you, you're crazy. We're going to tell you who that is
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I want to turn to Greenland. President Trump has his eye on Greenland, as I think he rightfully
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should. The way I see it is it's either ours or China's. So we either go and take it or we allow
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China to continue to plow through there and do as they must. It's very strategically placed
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geographically, just as Israel is in the Middle East for us over there. We have a Democrat who's all
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of a sudden, he's become MAGA. And when he won his election, I mean, he was as Marxist left and
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socialist as Bernie Sanders. He's now taken a completely different tune. And I thought it was
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just for this past election to win his state over for Kamala Harris. But we're past the election now.
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This man's not up for reelection for another few years. So he has no reason to be doing this.
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But I want to play this clip for the audience to take a listen to this particular senator.
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Of these parts. Go ahead. Can I talk about like there's a lot of talk about Greenland,
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for example. And I know a lot of there's a lot of freak outs, you know, and of course,
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I would never support taking it by force. But I do think it's I do think it's a responsible
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conversation if they were open to acquiring it. And, you know, where they're just buying it out.
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Right. I mean, if anyone think that's bonkers, it's like, well, well, remember the Louisiana
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purchase? Oh, I think Alaska was pretty, pretty a great deal to 50 million dollars. I think it was
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it was record. It was it was referred to as Seward's Folly. And now that was Alaska now. So,
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I mean, you know, open to having all kinds of conversations as well. And now I don't think we
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it's not helpful to freak out. But some things might work out. Some may not. But that's part
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of ongoing dialogue. But he hasn't even take office in two weeks. And, you know, we really need to
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pace ourselves if we're going to freak out over every last tweet or every last conversation or
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press conference. But I like it. I like it. Yeah. But I mean, it's like, you know, we are here to
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work together. Yeah. And some things you can agree or disagree. But I think that.
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Mark, if you told me John Fetterman, the man who had a stroke, would be the most sound Democrat in
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the Senate right now, I would tell you you're absolutely crazy. First of all,
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hearing Fetterman talk about taking something by force is kind of funny that he's not against
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that he's against. He's like six foot 10, like 350 pounds. Man looks like force. Obviously,
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he's not. But, you know, I would think it'd be a good idea for President Trump to invite him over
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to the White House because I think he would probably go have a lunch with him and the Democrats would go
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absolutely berserk. What do you think about Fetterman now being all of a sudden MAGA?
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Well, first of all, there's no talk of by Donald Trump. I've taken Greenland by force. That's one
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of these Democratic hyperbolic nonsense that keeps spreading. But if Fetterman, the question is,
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is he a common sense Democrat who's being honest or is he a Joe Manchin type looking to get a lot
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of publicity and get himself booked on every talk show in the world? It could be both. It could be
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he's looking for attention. Usually a guy who dresses a little outrageously like shorts in Congress
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is a guy looking for attention and promoting himself. But Greenland is a no brainer. A lot
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of presidents have wanted to buy it. Harry Truman made a big effort. Even back in the 1860s,
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they were talking about it. It could be 120 billion. Let's say Denmark holds out its 200 billion.
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The minerals on there, the gas, the oil would more than pay for the purchase. And by the way,
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120 billion totally retires the debt of Denmark. And for the first time ever, you've got the
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greatest negotiator in the country as president. He may be the first one to actually pull this off.
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You know, it's not him sending over Don Jr. or not sending him over, but Don Jr. going to take a trip
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over there for the day was sort of symbolic and absolutely hysterical watching Trump force one land
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in Greenland. It's not only about the minerals, it's about the geographic location of it right over
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the cap, the access to Russia, the access to China. I mean, there's no secret about it, Mark. If we're
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going to go to war, it's going to be with one of three countries or one of four countries, North Korea,
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which will affect be China and Russia as well. Iran, which will in fact be with China and Russia as
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well. So and then you can pick either China or Russia, either or go with each other. And it's,
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you know, puts us a little bit closer to location. We were able to close up the straits,
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which brings us to the Panama Canal, President Trump's other acquisition in which he's looking
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to go ahead and take over there. What's your thought, your thoughts on that and why no other
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president since the lease has expired tried to go ahead and do so? Well, you know, we don't want to
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run the Panama Canal if we don't have to, but we have to because it's a very narrow canal with two
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little openings on each end, both now controlled by China. If they were to tamper with us or take
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over those, it would destroy commerce. It would hurt our economy. So you can't have China running
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the Panama Canal. So again, Trump, the great negotiator. So I don't think we need to take
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it over or buy it, but he'll work out something where we have control and don't have to worry about
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China. I don't know if you saw there was a meme going back to Greenland real fast. It was a picture.
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It said, this is Greenland in just a year. And it was McDonald's on every street corner. It was
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Exxon gas stations. It was Motel 6s there because of what we're going to turn it into. I want to turn
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to the last one, and that's the Gulf of Mexico. And the president of Canada, that Marxist leftist
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who just got elected, is having a very tough time. But President Trump is looking to rename the Gulf
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of Mexico, the Gulf of America. I like the sound of it. Well, listen, he likes to troll people. He likes to
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make liberal heads explode. He was probably watching Morning Joe, and he can see they don't
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have much to talk about nowadays. So let's look at him something to yell about. Can it be done?
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Actually, it's tough. There's a department in charge of naming the stuff. It's in the Department
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of Interior. You can get them to do it, but it only works as far as the federal government
00:22:43.260
giving it a name. You'd have to get each state and local government to also call it that.
00:22:47.800
You'd have to get Google and Apple. They make all the maps in the world to rename it. I don't
00:22:52.800
know that they'd do it. And then finally, you'd have to go to the UN and get them to. There's
00:22:57.520
some committee in the UN that decides on international naming. And I mean, right now, we only can do
00:23:03.820
it 12 miles out. The US has control into the Gulf only 12 miles offshore. But I think it's
00:23:11.000
more just to drive liberals nuts. Yeah. You know, you mentioned Apple and Google. And actually,
00:23:17.680
I do want to turn to that. This is a good segue point for us to talk about that. These folks,
00:23:22.500
Mark, two, three years ago, I mean, as far left as you can go, they were John Fetterman left,
00:23:27.760
all seemingly, with the exception of Google, of course, because they're too big. They don't have
00:23:31.300
to worry about anything. Taking a turn towards the right. I mean, you look at Tim Cook asking to
00:23:37.780
have lunch with Donald Trump. We had a leaked message on Truth Social President Trump, I guess,
00:23:44.020
meaning to text Elon Musk before a New Year and saying, Bill Gates wants to come to Mar-a-Lago
00:23:48.800
tonight. Now, I don't know if it was an accident or it wasn't. Lou Dobbs and Donald Trump were like
00:23:55.720
this and they had the same mindset. And oftentimes, Lou would make that mistake. He'd send me a text
00:23:59.860
that was supposed to be a tweet. And he put out a tweet that was supposed to be a text.
00:24:03.240
It wasn't very good with technology. But with Donald Trump, he's always playing 3D chess. So
00:24:06.660
you really never know what's going on. But the latest one, the latest villain, Mark Zuckerberg.
00:24:13.660
Now, all of a sudden, Mark wants to be no Mr. Censorship, no Mr. Fact Checker. People inside
00:24:20.020
the organization are absolutely melting down. Now, there's a massive antitrust lawsuit against
00:24:23.940
Facebook going to trial very soon. What is Mark Zuckerberg thinking right now?
00:24:29.660
Does he is he genuine about wanting to actually become a better person?
00:24:34.660
No, you know, playing, trying to play his hand right with Mr. Donald Trump.
00:24:40.800
Well, you got to remember these nerdy characters, these Bill Gates, Mark Zuckerberg.
00:24:44.740
You think they're just these little nerds tinkering in the garage, inventing something,
00:24:49.000
you know, once you're worth a hundred and fifty billion, once you're running a massive empire,
00:24:53.560
you're a cold, calculating, ruthless business guy as well. And you have to be. And you go where the
00:25:00.800
power is. And if Trump is going to be in for the next four years, you got to be his got to be his
00:25:05.300
friend. You got to do and play along. Hey, I'm watching the Jimmy Carter funeral. Obama can't
00:25:11.500
stop talking to Donald Trump. You see intense conversation. And it's Obama initiating all this
00:25:16.880
conversation. So he knows where the power base is going to be. And I think he was doing that knowing
00:25:22.620
the cameras are on him because he's signaling to donors, to important people around the world.
00:25:27.560
I got this guy's ear. Don't count me out yet. You know, a lot of people already dismiss Obama
00:25:32.340
because of this last campaign. He was supposedly the guy running things. And he was like a New York
00:25:37.780
Jets coach where he realized he called all the wrong plays. He lost the game. So he was probably
00:25:43.760
out with the Democrats. Now he wants to look like he's got Trump's ear. You better you better keep
00:25:48.480
him in the game. Yeah. And I mean, Trump is masterful at pulling things off like that,
00:25:53.480
making people think he's their friend. Look what he did to Mitt Romney. He brought Mitt Romney all the
00:25:58.100
way to D.C. to have lunch and wine and dine the guy. I think he was going to take over Secretary of
00:26:02.200
State. Little did he know he was playing mind warfare with him. And Mitt Romney fell for the
00:26:06.400
banana in the tailpipe and then absolutely had a total meltdown when he found out it wasn't true.
00:26:12.580
We're getting news now from the Daily Mail that Donald Trump reportedly told Barack Obama
00:26:16.840
he had an urgent secret to share as they sat together at Jimmy Carter's funeral.
00:26:22.100
Trump said it was important that he speak to Obama in private today so they could deal with
00:26:25.880
something. Trump suggested they look for a quiet place where they can discuss the mystery matter
00:26:30.980
after the service. Lip reader Jeremy Freeman told the DailyMail.com. Now, what could Donald Trump
00:26:37.520
possibly be telling Obama? I mean, do you think he's thanking him for getting Joe Biden out of there?
00:26:44.600
Some say that Biden would have fared a little bit better against Trump. I don't think there was
00:26:49.460
any chance in hell that he could have beaten Trump, but Biden thinks otherwise. What could
00:26:54.600
have the secret have been, Mark, that Donald Trump had to get across to Barack Obama?
00:27:00.040
Well, it could be a lot of things. They were, again, they know they're sitting there and the cameras
00:27:05.740
are on him. They know every network has taken this live watching them. But again, study the video. Obama
00:27:11.700
keeps initiating this conversation. And Trump, you know how quick he is. He sees that Obama
00:27:16.660
wants to be buddy, so Trump will just dangle carrots and sticks in front of him and reel him in.
00:27:24.040
I predict now you'll see Obama visit Mar-a-Lago in the next 11 days.
00:27:29.960
We're clipping this, Mark. We're definitely clipping this because you're breaking news right now.
00:27:34.580
I mean, that would absolutely be mindful and masterful if Trump were able to do that. People's
00:27:39.700
minds would explode. You know, it was also funny watching the people get up to greet
00:27:44.220
Donald Trump. Al Gore saw Donald Trump. I didn't even recognize Al Gore. He got so old looking
00:27:49.060
to get up to shake his hand. And it looked like he was like a puppy dog to him. And then Mike Pence,
00:27:54.660
so defeated, got up and shook his hand. And Mike Pence's wife just refused to get up because they
00:28:00.120
hate this man so much. But I think it's kind of telling when, you know, Mike Pence hates Trump so much
00:28:06.440
that he got up. He had to shake his hand and his wife refused to get up.
00:28:10.800
I think things are going to start to change now, Mark. What do you think? I think some Democrats,
00:28:15.200
whether they mean it or not, are going to start to come around and see the light at the end of
00:28:19.740
the tunnel that Donald Trump's not this demonic Hitler that they say he is. He's actually a good guy
00:28:28.160
Yeah. They also got a good lesson over the last year that he's the smartest, sharpest,
00:28:32.760
most brilliant guy on the planet. And he'll outmaneuver, outwork anybody. He just made the
00:28:38.060
greatest comeback in history. So I think they're also a little afraid to be too much against him now.
00:28:43.320
You know, this just didn't get much attention. But the mayor of D.C., Muriel Bowser, went to Mar-a-Lago
00:28:49.040
last weekend and met with Trump for 45 minutes. For her to do that, that's pretty significant.
00:28:55.920
She knows where the power base is now. And D.C. is pretty much under federal control.
00:29:03.780
Yeah. We thought it was under federal control until we saw what happened on January 6th.
00:29:07.560
Just an absolute total mess. I want to take one more quick break here. We're talking with
00:29:10.960
Mr. New York himself, Mark Simone. When we return, President Trump's favorability rating
00:29:15.220
is through the roof, Mark, even surpassing some of people's favorite companies or once was some
00:29:22.100
of people's favorite companies. I want to talk about that. I want to talk about the inauguration
00:29:25.900
coming up and what we'd expect that day and the job of Mike Johnson, who just narrowly skated by
00:29:31.500
to become the Speaker of the House once again. Can we trust this man or is he just another low-level
00:29:37.280
running snake in the grass, as Lou would say? We're coming right back with the great Mark
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Folks, we're back with Mr. New York himself, the great Mark Simone. Mark, Donald Trump's
00:30:47.800
favorability rating is absolutely going bonkers through the roof. It's one we've never seen
00:30:53.040
before because President Trump has never been polled accurately, in my opinion, and the opinion
00:30:56.880
of a lot of pollsters. A new poll out from the great Rasmussen reports, Mark Mitchell does an
00:31:03.100
absolutely amazing job there, shows that Disney's grooming syndicate has a favorability rating of
00:31:08.440
only 49% with 43% viewing the company as unfavorable. So President Trump and the real
00:31:15.580
clear politics average, Mark polling at plus 11 in the favorability polls. Insider advantage
00:31:20.260
gives Trump a 50% favorability. Harvard-Harris, 54% with Trump's unfavorable opinion at just 42%
00:31:29.060
in that insider advantage and 40% in the Harvard-Harris. I mean, I never thought I'd see the day
00:31:34.520
where Donald Trump was more popular than Taylor Swift. We saw that before the election. Now we're
00:31:41.160
showing that the groomers over at Disney, Donald Trump is polling higher than them. What's going
00:31:47.100
on in this world, Mark? It's like we're living in an apocalypse. Well, I think it all started with
00:31:51.740
the Joe Rogan interview. You know, I've known Donald Trump for about 30 years. You know, we've all spent
00:31:57.980
time in private, you're alone with him. They created this whole myth of this yelling, screaming,
00:32:03.540
crazy, angry guy. But if people listen to the Joe Rogan podcast, and about 65 million did,
00:32:10.660
that's the real Donald Trump. That's the Donald Trump you'd be hearing alone in an office or at
00:32:15.240
dinner, quiet, thoughtful, very conversational. A lot of people saw that and they had never seen
00:32:21.300
that side of him. And when you watch him at Rogan interview, boy, does he know a lot of stuff,
00:32:25.980
whatever you ask him about, even the fire management of Forrest, he could just go on and
00:32:30.900
on in incredible detail. And then once you've seen that, you start to, a lot of people watch the
00:32:36.440
press conferences and boy, does he know a lot of stuff. He's thoughtful. He's so informed. And
00:32:42.460
they're starting to see this side of him and they realize everybody was lying to him. Morning Joe was
00:32:47.040
lying to them. Rachel Maddow was lying about his personality. Yeah, he can be a little coarse. He can be a
00:32:53.340
little Don Rickles-like. But he's a really smart, thoughtful guy. And people are seeing this side
00:32:59.460
of him now. Yeah. You know, you'd say it actually absolutely perfectly. People don't get to know him.
00:33:05.520
They're good to see him. When I speak to him, when I've spoken to him in the past, he's like a normal
00:33:09.800
guy, Mark. He doesn't look for you to be bowing down to him. He doesn't look for you to be calling him
00:33:14.560
sir, Mr. President. He's just a normal guy. And one of the last times I saw him, we were at Mar-a-Lago
00:33:19.040
and he took us on a tour as myself, Lou and his wife, no secret service with us. They were
00:33:23.500
now, this is before his assassination attempts, but you know, they were on the perimeters and he
00:33:27.760
showed us around Mar-a-Lago and he had this bathroom. He had just gotten built by the pool
00:33:32.120
area and he walks us in this bathroom and he goes, I want to show you guys around. So he shows us his
00:33:36.680
bathroom and I'm like, what the hell is, where's he taking us? He shows us his bathroom and he goes,
00:33:40.300
you see this right here. This is my prized possession. I'm like, where is he going with this? And he goes,
00:33:44.740
the city of Palm Beach hasn't issued a new permit for building in X amount of years. And it was a
00:33:50.140
very long time. And he said this, I went down to the city council and I got myself. I went down there
00:33:55.960
to the paperwork and I filed this and I got this myself. He said, you were a great president. You
00:33:59.980
know, you did this, this, this, you make this community great. I mean, with everything you do
00:34:04.740
with the, you know, with the catering and with the business and the golf, we're going to give you
00:34:08.980
this permit. So give him this permit. He's talking about it. I'm dying laughing. And then we take this
00:34:13.280
little walk from the main area to where his office is, where the ballroom is. And we're walking,
00:34:18.660
we bypass the security, we bypass the metal detectors. Trump walks ahead of all three of us,
00:34:24.180
opens the door. And I'm like, okay, this is a little weird. Lou walks through, his wife walks
00:34:29.280
through and I walk behind the president to grab the door from behind him. Secret service, like,
00:34:33.220
pushes me outside. And the president looks at me, goes, go ahead, go ahead, go right there.
00:34:37.180
And I'm like, this is mind blowing to me, but that's a side mark that people don't understand.
00:34:41.360
And there's no cameras rolling. There's nothing rolling on that. He then brings us up to his
00:34:46.520
office and, you know, give us a bunch of sign stuff. All while he had people waiting to meet
00:34:50.820
with him and more important things to do than discuss with us. You know, and I'm glad he did
00:34:54.680
because it was the last time Lou got to see him in person before he passed away. And we did get to
00:34:58.840
spend some time with him. And it was, you know, very nice of the president to do so. But that's the
00:35:04.820
side of him, Mark, that people don't get to see that he is a human being. All the stories you hear
00:35:09.040
about, the work he does, the philanthropy he does on the side that you never hear about because he's
00:35:13.120
demonic. He's Hitler. Do you think these news networks, the joy reads, the views of the world
00:35:18.920
are going to finally start reporting news this, this election cycle, Mark, this next four years
00:35:25.440
in office, or do you think they're going to run with the same playbook that hurts them so much?
00:35:31.000
That's a pretty easy question. I don't think joy reads going to come around.
00:35:34.440
One thing about Morning Joe, this is a guy who is a weather vane, whatever way the wind is blowing,
00:35:40.340
he'll come around a little. With Joy Reid, that's real hatred and anger. It's just hatred and anger.
00:35:46.660
They call it fake news. It's like angry news. It's just screaming about anything and everything
00:35:53.000
Donald Trump does wrong. You know, when you meet your Democratic friends and they're all crazy and
00:35:57.800
how do they think these things? How could they believe these things? It's because they're watching
00:36:01.500
this stuff. You know, if you watch MSNBC, it looks like you're watching some sort of a newscast,
00:36:07.060
like you're watching news people. And then they bring on a guy with a bow tie and glasses who
00:36:11.840
looks like he's some sort of an expert. And they think this is real. They don't realize none of this
00:36:16.360
is true. There was never any national abortion ban. There was no 2025 project in Donald Trump's world.
00:36:23.140
He never saw it. They just made up all this stuff. You know, they do it now. He's talking about
00:36:27.500
invading Greenland. He's never talked about any of this. They just fake it. But if you have the
00:36:32.140
right set and logos on the screen, it looks like you're watching some sort of official newscast. But
00:36:37.660
it's just fake, hate-filled news. You know, it's funny. You and I both do a show. You're a little bit
00:36:43.440
better than mine. You know, you've got a radio show and you get the podcast. But we both see ratings,
00:36:48.280
right? We both see how our numbers are doing. I look at them every single day. And if I see a deviation
00:36:53.080
in a certain part of a podcast episode, I go back and I listen to see what was said,
00:36:57.380
what the guest said or what I said. And I figure out what was wrong and where the disagreement was
00:37:01.940
so that I fix it for the next thing. If it was something I said to correct it, you would think,
00:37:07.800
and this is just a podcast, Mark, you would think these people would look at their ratings and say,
00:37:13.140
well, something's wrong here. And then I thought back to when we were at Fox Business,
00:37:17.740
Lou and I, Lou would wait every single day at four o'clock, Mark, and he would yell at me into his office,
00:37:22.700
John, are the ratings in yet? He'd say, no, Lou, they're not in yet. And he'd want to see these
00:37:27.160
ratings every single day. Now, there was people in the building who have primetime shows who don't
00:37:32.000
even know what ratings look like, who don't know what ratings are, who don't even know how to read
00:37:36.660
the ratings. It's not exactly easy to read if you don't know what you're looking at. It's just a
00:37:40.580
bunch of numbers. And Lou would sit there with his hand on his head and I'd say, what's wrong,
00:37:44.420
Lou? And he'd say, look at what this person's doing with their show. And he was always worried about
00:37:48.540
other people doing their job and getting it. Lou always had good ratings, you know,
00:37:52.680
the number one show on the network. But he was always worried about people pulling their weight
00:37:56.040
on the network. And, you know, you see it. I saw it at Fox. People were just there for a paycheck,
00:38:01.060
didn't care what their ratings were because they knew that whatever it was, I guess they're finally
00:38:05.440
starting to wake up because Neil Cavuto has seen the door. He's no longer there. It was among their
00:38:10.520
lowest rated show. But it's mind blowing to me that these people don't care. But I guess they're
00:38:15.260
making so much money, it doesn't really make a difference, right? Well, but they didn't know
00:38:19.320
it. You know, Lou Dobbs was a guy, besides being a great anchor, he's a guy that started networks,
00:38:24.000
built networks. This guy was the great pioneer of business television. He was operating on a whole
00:38:29.320
other level. You know, like Joy Reid, they don't know anything about broadcasting. They're just
00:38:32.880
there because they look good or sound good or Don Lemon. Don Lemon couldn't build a network or
00:38:38.100
do anything like that. Lou did amazing things. People don't remember, but before Fox Business,
00:38:42.920
Lou was on CNN for years at six o'clock at night and he had the number one show on CNN. He was
00:38:50.040
phenomenal there. So he could succeed any place. And these people will never understand any of that.
00:38:57.560
You know, it was funny. Lou was always very granular, Mark. He never wanted to be involved
00:39:01.540
in process. If you told him something that had process, he said, I don't want to hear that. That's
00:39:04.820
process. But as time went on and he and I started this podcast, all he wanted to know was the granular
00:39:10.200
details of everything. He wanted to learn everything. He wanted to know ratings, you know,
00:39:13.440
this or that. And I'm like, Lou, you don't want to know about processes. No, I want to know now.
00:39:17.520
So we built this thing together and we learned the whole podcasting world together. But
00:39:21.280
I only knew Lou now for like the last six or so years. But from what I hear, he was the same person
00:39:26.120
from the 80s to the 90s as he is, was he was when he passed away in July. His wife had sent me a text
00:39:32.460
the other day. And I have to read this out because this is from a book. And it was from a letter that
00:39:36.520
Lou had sent to one of the presidents of CNN. It's from October 10th of 1980. And it's in a book
00:39:42.440
to a man, sent this letter to a man, Mr. John Baker. And this is Lou writing this. Do you recall
00:39:48.160
promising that we would not lose the 47 cameras until the new cameras and equipment were in place?
00:39:53.060
Do you recall promising that we would not lose chroma key? Do you recall promising that we would
00:39:57.380
not lose appreciative degree of video quality for the show? Do you recall telling me that you walk on
00:40:03.080
water? The reason I ask you is to see if it's your memory or other word that's gone bad. Regards,
00:40:08.460
Dobbs. You know, it gave me chills and brought a tear to my eye, Mark. That was in 1980 before I
00:40:14.840
would long before I was even born before I was even a thought that that was the Lou Dobbs in the 1980s.
00:40:20.100
And that Lou Dobbs passed away in 2024 of July was the same exact man. It's sad to see Mark,
00:40:28.000
because I was in Fox for a little bit and in journalism for a little bit. The degree and the level
00:40:32.940
of journalism that it's gone to that everyone's a journalist now and that everyone could put out
00:40:37.840
whatever they want. With Lou, everything had to be fact checked. Everything. If you were putting
00:40:43.120
something on his air, he wanted a source from where it came from. If you handed him a piece of paper
00:40:47.320
that said X, Y, Z, he'd say, I want to see where this is sourced, where this is cited. We don't see
00:40:52.480
that anymore, Mark. And they get away with it. They get away with doing it on MSNBC. Yet Lou Dobbs is the
00:40:58.620
one who gets sued by Smartmatic and Dominion. Tucker Carlson and Maria Bartiromo are the ones who get
00:41:03.360
sued by Smartmatic and Dominion. Yet these folks on MSNBC and CNN get away with whatever the hell
00:41:10.000
they want. We see George Stephanopoulos, the first man, finally held accountable for defamation against
00:41:16.660
President Trump in that E. Gene Carroll case. Why is there no accountability, Mark, in the mainstream
00:41:21.600
media? They can say whatever the hell they want. When was it OK that you can call somebody Hitler and
00:41:26.160
compare them to Hitler and it'd be fine? Yeah, that Stephanopoulos suit was great. I wish he
00:41:32.680
would do that with 60 minutes and anybody and everybody. I mean, I've seen that on the last
00:41:37.300
few Sunday shows. There are seven or eight things you could do that same lawsuit over. Hey, one thing
00:41:41.880
about Lou Dobbs, and people have forgotten this, but they should always remember Donald Trump, when he
00:41:47.400
started running in 2015, and he said this a few times, he came along with these issues that nobody really
00:41:52.660
used before. And he said, I got them from Lou Dobbs, watching Lou Dobbs. Back in the early 2000s,
00:41:58.100
every night, Lou was on the border. Every night was a segment called Broken Borders. And then he was
00:42:04.360
the guy kept talking about the middle class, all the jobs are going away, all of this outsourcing all
00:42:09.880
of our jobs. He wrote a book about that. He wrote a book about the border. And Trump watched Lou Dobbs
00:42:15.980
every night. And he said, that's what inspired him to take those issues.
00:42:19.980
Yeah, you're absolutely right. And it's nice to talk about this stuff with you, Mark, because you
00:42:23.060
were actually one of Lou's favorite. Lou didn't have many friends and he was happy about that. He
00:42:27.200
didn't want to have friends. Lou went home after work every single night to his beautiful wife.
00:42:32.420
And he lived, Lou lived a normal, absolutely normal life. The guy loved fast food. He lived an
00:42:37.900
absolute, he'd go out on the weekends. He'd send me selfies when he learned how to take selfies,
00:42:41.900
bushwhacking on his John Deere, mowing the lawn. He'd take his grandson out on the
00:42:45.500
tractors. I mean, the man lived, you would think he was a man making $50,000 a year by the way he
00:42:51.580
lived. Just a totally normal guy. You know, I used to ask him, I used to laugh at him and say,
00:42:56.600
you go out to that damn farm every single weekend. What do you do out there? And it wasn't until he
00:43:01.100
passed away where I finally took a ride out to the farm to see, I saw him before he passed away.
00:43:05.500
And I said, you know, I said to myself, I know exactly why you were out here every week. And I know
00:43:09.780
why you didn't want to leave. We'd go down to Florida in the middle of the winter, Mark,
00:43:12.700
and Luke say, I want to get home. I want to get back to the farm. And we're sitting in this
00:43:16.520
beautiful house in Palm beach. And he goes, I want to get home back to the farm, back to the
00:43:20.420
farm. I'm like, what the hell's wrong with this guy? And then I got to the farm and I'm like,
00:43:25.300
wow, this absolutely makes sense. Why he loves this place so much.
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He did have a green acre side to him. It was, Oh man, he would sit there and tell us, you know,
00:43:36.080
I'm a country boy and he'd be wearing his Prada shoes. And you'd ask where'd you get those
00:43:40.940
and he didn't know what he was wearing. His wife would buy him all these nice things that
00:43:44.680
he had no idea what he was. If he knew what it'd cost, he'd probably killed Deb.
00:43:49.260
Because he would tell you, he's like, I'm just a country boy from Texas. And I mean,
00:43:53.940
you saw it from the way he ate. He loved fast food. He loved, he didn't care about going
00:43:58.020
fine dining or any of that stuff, man. He was as normal as can be. He had three things he'd eat
00:44:03.460
for lunch. He needed a Caesar salad, turkey, chili, or some sort of tacos. That was loose palate.
00:44:09.480
Like I said, just a completely normal guy. And it's nice to talk to you about things like this,
00:44:13.640
Mark, because Lou adored you. And you were one of the few people he actually enjoyed being around,
00:44:18.660
I could tell you. I want to turn to something that unfortunately our good friend Lou is not
00:44:25.300
here to see, which I wish he was. This inauguration happening now in just 11 days. Do you think
00:44:31.540
everything goes seemingly fine? No riots? Are you going to be attending? What can we expect
00:44:38.600
this time around? I've been to a few inaugurals. You don't want to go. You want to watch it. It's
00:44:43.600
like a World Series game. You want to watch it on TV. If you're there, you're going to miss 90%
00:44:47.920
of what's really happening. If you're watching on TV, you'll see close-ups, replays, you'll see
00:44:51.800
every little detail. The inaugural ball sounds like it might be fun. It's really just a lot of
00:44:58.460
loudmouth donors from all over the country, thousands of them in a room. Now, from what I'm hearing,
00:45:04.100
inauguration takes place at noon, and then there's all sorts of ceremonies. You watch
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the parade, you do this, you have a big lunch. I'm hearing that Trump may skip a little of that
00:45:14.500
and go right to work, right after the inauguration, go start signing bills like crazy, start signing
00:45:20.320
orders. Hopefully, that will be the case. We'll see that.
00:45:24.100
Wow. That's much like President Trump. I hope it's customary for the president to let the
00:45:30.420
outgoing president use the plane to get back to where they're going. But I hope Donald Trump
00:45:34.560
refuses Joe Biden, Air Force One and Marine One, and lets him go take Amtrak. He is Amtrak Joe
00:45:39.860
after all, right, Mark? I don't think he really ever was. I used to emcee a million big dinners in
00:45:46.660
Washington over the years. He was always there. These are at 8 o'clock, 9 o'clock, 10 o'clock, 11 o'clock,
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a million times. He was always there. He lied about everything. Remember that famous train conductor
00:45:57.520
story about Angelo? Yes. Angelo, they started to cry. It was his millionth mile. He told the story
00:46:03.940
of when it happened. He mentioned when it happened. They checked. Angelo had died 10 years earlier,
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retired 20 years before that. He just makes up this stuff. And I would give him Air Force One. I'd
00:46:15.080
get him a fighter jet. Get him the hell out of there as fast as you can get him out of there.
00:46:19.980
He's going to be well on his way to making millions of dollars when he leaves, whether it be a book deal
00:46:23.760
or something. I'm sure he's going to get something, but he can't get the hell out of Dodge
00:46:28.300
soon enough. I mean, he's been, now that Jimmy Carter has passed away, he's the worst living
00:46:33.280
president in the history of this country. It's just unfathomable what he's managed to do in just
00:46:38.400
four years. I often say, Mark, a lot of people that I talk to, my friends, they don't really care
00:46:43.680
about politics, although I've gotten a lot of them involved over the last four years and gotten them
00:46:47.880
to love in Donald Trump. But, you know, a lot of people often say it doesn't matter who the
00:46:52.100
president is. It doesn't change my everyday life. And I would have agreed with that before 2016.
00:46:58.060
But then we saw what President Trump came into the micro level, and everything's at a macro level
00:47:03.560
of the president. But we saw what happens now at the micro level with gas prices, food prices,
00:47:08.720
DEI. And I tell my friends, I said, well, you know, you've said for years, it doesn't matter who
00:47:13.520
the president is. It makes no difference to me. But this is the first time in my lifetime,
00:47:17.740
probably not in your lifetime, as you were alive for Reagan, right, that it actually mattered who
00:47:24.640
the president was. And I think people finally, for the first time, Mark, woke up to that realization
00:47:29.780
that it does matter who the president is. And it's not just a macro level problem.
00:47:34.900
No, it really does matter. And not just for our day to day lives, for prices, inflation,
00:47:39.600
but around the world, you know, Israel wouldn't have happened.
00:47:42.880
Right. Hamas wouldn't have invaded Ukraine. This wouldn't have happened had Trump been
00:47:46.800
president. The fact that Biden came in meant it was bound to happen. And then when he did
00:47:51.660
the Afghanistan disaster, then that just opened the door to Putin to do whatever the hell he
00:47:57.440
wanted. Hamas would never have done that with Trump in office. So it'd be interesting to see
00:48:03.860
when Jimmy Carter was president, he was so weak, ran and held our hostages. And they were so
00:48:09.500
scared of Reagan. They released him literally during the inauguration. Be interesting to see
00:48:13.780
if that exact same thing happens with Hamas during this inauguration.
00:48:18.880
Yeah. You know, actually, you brought up a good point. There's a good documentary on what you just
00:48:22.280
mentioned. It's called The Octopus Murders on Netflix. I recommend it to you. Lou had sat down
00:48:27.960
with the executive producers on it and a really good documentary about the Carter administration,
00:48:32.720
the Reagan administration, everything about it. The Octopus Murders on Netflix. Mark,
00:48:37.620
before we wrap up here, I want to get to one last thing. And it's Speaker Mike Johnson being
00:48:41.560
elected, reelected Speaker of the House. Now, I don't like Mike Johnson. I don't care for him.
00:48:47.100
I think he's lied about almost everything, much like Kevin McCarthy. But he was President Trump's
00:48:51.840
pick. And if you went against it now, I agree with Donald Trump on 99.9% of things. I didn't agree
00:48:56.700
with Mike Johnson. It's because the power that the Speaker of the House holds. Look at what Paul Ryan
00:49:02.720
did to President Trump in his first term. He wasted his first two years by calling a bad agenda,
00:49:08.600
going after health care as the first task. It held up so much time. It wasted so much time
00:49:13.300
that Donald Trump wasn't able to get done as much as he wanted to. And then they lost the Congress
00:49:17.520
the next two years. And he was kind of stymied with what he was able to do. Do you think Mike Johnson
00:49:23.600
learned his lesson, although we just saw two weeks ago him try to skate past a bill
00:49:28.480
under everyone's noses, this massive omnibus? Do you think Mike Johnson has the America First
00:49:34.240
agenda in his best interest? Yeah, well, I wasn't the biggest fan, but then I met Mike Johnson. He's
00:49:40.320
the sweetest, nicest, warmest, most wonderful guy. Now, that may be the problem. That's probably the
00:49:46.440
last thing you want in a speaker. But you have to replace him with somebody else's. Whatever you find
00:49:54.120
wrong with him, who do you have to replace him with? That's the problem. Would you want Kevin
00:49:58.120
McCarthy back? No. Would you want Paul Ryan back? No. And every speaker has had a movement to get
00:50:03.280
rid of him, including Newt Gingrich at his peak. So it's perfectly normal. I think whatever the
00:50:09.220
weakness Mike Johnson might have being too nice, too this, too that, I think Trump knows how to work
00:50:13.180
with him. I think Trump knows how to get him around that. Him and Trump together might be a good team.
00:50:19.060
Yeah. You know, Andy Biggs referred to him one time with us on the show as a golden retriever.
00:50:23.340
And it's perfectly, I have a golden retriever myself. They're the sweetest, kindest dogs,
00:50:27.400
and they'll do whatever you say. But, you know, not ones to lead the pack. And I think it was a
00:50:33.580
perfect analogy on how he referred to Mike Johnson. Mark Simone, you're a great American. Where can
00:50:40.400
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00:50:45.380
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00:50:51.980
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00:50:57.880
710WOR. I'm just going to ask you to hang tight real quick, Mark, as we wrap up the show. Folks,
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thanks, everybody, for being with us today. We appreciate you joining us in this new year on
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The Great America Show each and every day as our quest for truth, justice, and the American way
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Until then, may God bless you, may God bless America, and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.