THE GREAT AMERICA SUNDAY SHOW - January 21st, 2024
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Inflation has surged to levels unseen in 40 years and is threatening to wipe out our savings. Congressman Andy Biggs joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Sunday Show to discuss the latest on the latest in the Biden/Hunter Biden scandal, and the potential impact on the upcoming primary election.
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Hello everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Sunday Show. Thanks for being
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with us. A big week ahead for President Donald Trump and his quest to win back the White House
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on November 5th. The first primary in the nation is Tuesday. In New Hampshire, a decisive win for
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President Trump will almost certainly end the Republican primary process. Big donors stop funding
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their loser candidates and people in later primary states who are supporting DeSantis or Haley will
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likely stay home because they know it's over. Personally, I'd prefer these primaries keep going
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all the way through. President Trump gains immensely from it. The national Marxist media has to pay
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attention to him, his polls and his results in the primaries. President Trump crushes the wannabe
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rivals. His poll numbers go higher as the Marxist medias go lower in their coverage. And I believe
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voters are loving these Trump victories. We don't have to hear the braying experts of the commentariat,
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the so-called political analysts who are really just pushing their favorite candidate or cause.
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Let the voters speak. And when they speak, I love it. I don't love the Bidens, by the way,
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Hunter Biden's sugar daddy and Hollywood lawyer, Kevin Morris, telling House investigators in a
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closed-door deposition that he had, quote, no ulterior motive in mind when he developed a
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financial relationship with Hunter Biden. It's worth noting, since meeting Hunter in 2019,
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Morris has paid Hunter's IRS debts. He reportedly loaned him about $5 million for housing, car payments,
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legal fees, and you know what else. Morris also took control of Hunter's 10 percent stake in a
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Chinese state-backed fund, BHR Partners, but no ulterior motive, says Morris. Congress avoiding
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a government shutdown by passing a stopgap funding bill until March instead of a full budget.
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Speaker Mike Johnson, who's been nothing short of disappointing, wouldn't sign on with Chuck
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Schumer on border funding this time. That's a good thing. There's hope.
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We'll revisit the issue in March. Our guest today is Congressman Andy Biggs. He sits on the House
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Oversight Committee and the House Judiciary Committee, where he is the chairman of the
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Judiciary Subcommittee on Crime and Federal Government Surveillance. Congressman, great to
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have you back with us. Let me start with the Speaker of the House, Mike Johnson, who apparently has this
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time stood up and taking a strong stand against the Lankford border plan from the Senate. Your thoughts
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about Speaker Johnson and what looks like to be a, well, a rare adherence to principle.
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Well, yeah, I mean, in the House, if he were to go against that, there'd be a massive revolt because
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that plan, the Lankford plan is so bad, Lou, and I think, I don't know if you want to get into it,
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but it's just really a bad, bad plan. But here's the deal. Okay, so I view Mike Johnson as a golden
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retriever. He's like a golden retriever. This isn't going to end well, isn't it?
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We happen to have a golden retriever in my house, and this golden retriever, like all golden retrievers,
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very nice, very kind. Everybody loves the golden retriever. Everybody wants to pat it, and the dog is so
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obliging. But you can't get the darn dog to fight, you know what I mean? If you wanted, it wouldn't fight
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to save itself. But occasionally, it'll kind of raise its paws and do something. And thank goodness
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that the Speaker is raising his paws against the Lankford plan. Because other than that, you know,
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the dog, a golden retriever likes to get his belly rubbed and roll over and that type of thing.
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And unfortunately, we have a Speaker who's kind of like a golden retriever right now.
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Well, I'm sure he's going to appreciate the metaphor. And I have to say, I can't imagine how
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you could have had two speakers in a row who were having so much trouble with their own courage,
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with their own set of principles, which I wouldn't would have expected to reflect the principles of
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the conference. I don't understand what is going on in the House of Representatives.
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or your conference. What's it going to take? I guess what I'm saying is, you can't be a very
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good leader if you can't follow. I've always believed that axiom. He was apparently a cherished
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follower. But he also can't lead, apparently. I don't understand the issue.
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Well, you know, I'll take it back in, you throw Paul Ryan in there, and you had three.
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You had three guys that really took us to the wrong class. Let's go back to John
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If you go back to John Boehner, at least John Boehner, on a few things was willing to say,
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this is where we're going. We're not going further. And nobody in this conference,
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and he would fight, he would lead, you know, on a few things, right?
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But I just, I'm stunned by it myself, you know. But I'm going to tell you something that I've
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decided, that I think I've realized, it's taken me a while to realize it. These guys that are the
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leaders, the speakers, they actually reflect the conference. I'm sad to say that. But I got to
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believe that they reflect a significant number of the conference. They don't reflect me, of course,
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and they don't reflect, oh, I would say, a third or more of the conference. But they seem to
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represent enough of the conference to be able to get elected, these guys. And that's the saddest part
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for me is, is not that he is not leading, but that he may actually be, quite frankly, he and McCarthy
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and Ryan, they may actually have reflected the conference, though I never felt that they were
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reflecting me or my constituents. Yeah, I guess there is that. And that is a sorry, sorry situation.
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I can't understand how people in your conference can say, you know, the border is in crisis and then go
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back to their offices and and just do business as usual without taking on the issue. Why? Why is there
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any question in the minds of people? I don't care whether rhinos are conservatives. The reality is that
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border is under the control of the Mexican drug cartels and the Chinese communists who are making
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or mixing up all of the fentanyl. This isn't complicated stuff. Either you, you deal with
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that reality and stop funding it, but don't sit there and whine about it or talk to your just your,
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you know, do a little radio and TV pieces for your constituents complaining about it. And then go ahead
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and fund the appropriations. Just, you know, it's all fine. We'll give you a continuing resolution.
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How about an omnibus? You can spend life at Dickens until as long as you want. This is a,
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this is purely hypocritical, deceitful and gutless. Yeah, I view it as being a really cynical
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approach to governance. So, so what they do is they, they, they have a big deal down on the border.
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Okay, we got to do something. And then they say, we're going to need to get some new policy,
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right, Lou, as if policy is going to change it. Policy will not change this. This is a lawless
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administration. Even if they sign something into law, this administration knows they're going to
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gamble on a couple of things. Number one, that nobody's going to sue them when they don't enact
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that policy. And if somebody does sue them, that it's going to carry out past the next election,
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right? So, so they really don't mind because the next election between now and then you'll have 5
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million illegal aliens will have come in. My position is go ahead and shut the government
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down. But we have, you cannot believe the number of people in our conference that are scared to
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death. If you say the word, shut the government down because they say, oh, I won't ever get elected
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again. Well, at some point you have to say, let's shut the government down because we happen to care
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about the country more than we even care about our own next election. Right? So, so today I'll give
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you a heads up. I'm introducing legislation today to protect against this, this, the short,
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the shutdown scaredy cats. And what it does is it says, you know, first of all, you and I both know
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Medicare, Medicaid, social security, that keeps getting funded anyway. There's already a statute
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on the books. So my bill says, okay, but we're going to keep funding the vets, the armed forces,
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ICBP, the air traffic controllers and TSA. But other than that, we're not funding anything.
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We're not going to fund anything. And then, and then you can go back and say, we funded
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80% of the government. We funded the things that have to be funded to protect our rights,
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our military, et cetera. But we're not going to fund the Green New Deal crap or the FBI spying on you.
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We're going to stop that until the border's enforced. Well, let me just say, hallelujah.
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We're talking with Congressman Andy Biggs. We're coming right back to learn more about
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Lou Dobbs here. I'm delighted to let you all know that the program Lou Dobbs Tonight has returned to
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I hope you'll be joining us for Lou Dobbs Tonight as our fight to save this country has only begun.
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We're back now with Congressman Andy Biggs. And Congressman, tell us what you intend and what
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you think will be the result, the response of the conference. Well, so what I'm intending to do is
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take away the argument that we can't do a government shutdown to save the border, save the country by
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closing the border. So I'm saying, OK, well, if you're afraid of that, let's fund the things that
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we have to have veterans, military, et cetera. And then we won't fund this other garbage, this
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bureaucracy that's run amok, that's destroying the country anyway. And we won't begin funding any of
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that until there's actual border security enforcement, not policy, but actual enforcement
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where you're turning people away at the border or you're you're maybe you're removing people finally
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from from who are illegally in the country. I think I'm trying to take away that argument,
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but I'm also trying to say the only leverage we have is the purse strings. And so if you do those two
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things, I think we have a shot. The speaker has actually presented my my plan to to a significant
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portion of the conference. I've gotten positive feedback. But the reality is you have some people
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who said absolutely no, no way, no how not going to do it. We got new start programs. We've got a fund
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for the military industrial complex. And we're not going to set those aside for six months until we
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secure the border. We got to have that. I mean, I understand their arguments, but they don't
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understand the existential crisis at the border. I don't think they understand the American people
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either. I mean, this right now, Donald Trump coming off a huge win, a historic win in Iowa and in the
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Iowa caucuses on his way to New Hampshire, where he's going to be battling toe to toe. John Sununu,
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who, you know, this this snarky little attack dog for the rhinos, love beloved everywhere by the
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establishment. And that it's going to he's going to crush them there as well. He's going to be the
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next the next president, I believe firmly. How in the world can this conference be such a so mealy mouth,
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so gutless failing to adhere to basically America first policies and MAGA, because that's obviously
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what the American people want. Joe Biden has the lowest approval ratings of any any president in
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modern history. And President Trump is scoring out historic victories in the primary process.
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And, you know, the Congress isn't held in high esteem either by the American public.
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I just can't see how these forces don't coalesce around. Let's do the right thing. That should be
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the mantra for everyone. Yeah, that's my that's what I've told the speaker. I've expressed myself
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to the speaker very clearly. I said, look, your budget plan is it is a disaster because, you know,
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for me, I won't get into it unless you want me to. But I told him, I said, you're just going to be
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over. It's going to be almost unanimous from the Democrat side. And you're going to lose 70 to 100
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votes on the Republican side. And so that's a big, huge, embarrassing defeat. Why not at least
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do a plan like mine or a plan where you're bending the trajectory of spending down and solving the
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border problem? And then if you lose some some of our more moderate type types in the in the House,
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and they say, well, we're going to go with the Democrats and pass our own bill out. At least
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you would have stood up. At least you would have done it on principle. At least you would have shown
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that there is a distinction and that being a Republican actually means something. And being
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an American first Republican means something. At least you would have demonstrated that because
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we're going to probably lose one way or the other. Why not lose with dignity, honor and fight
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and responsibility and a sense of responsibility to the nation, to the Republic, to the American
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people. You know, I was just thinking maybe you ought to have a banner. Give courage and principle
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a chance. Just simply that. Put it, you know, over the entrance there. I guess you can't put up too
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many banners in the House. But, you know, I don't know. You know, we're sitting here. I'm laughing
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about it. But it's laughing at the absurdity that we have 435 members of Congress and frankly,
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a tragic, pitiful handful like you who are willing to stand up for the country. You've got people
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running from their elections, running from their donors. They're scared to death of their shadows,
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and they're wanting to come across as big, tough, bad, you know, principled Republicans.
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They're not. They're what you said. I mean, they're milk toast and marmalade.
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You don't mean to offend marmalade, but there it is.
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Yeah. You know, I happen to like marmalade. Go easy on the marmalade, will you?
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And actually, I like milk toast. That was a comfort food, Lou. Come on,
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you're killing my comfort food. But anyway, when you start looking at this, I'm often baffled by
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it because I'll see people write stuff and they'll say, some of my colleagues will say,
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these guys just, they're here to yell and scream. No, we're not here to yell and scream. We're here
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to affect change. And that's why we introduce legislation to affect change. That's why we fight
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on the floor. That's why we use the tools of procedure to try to slow things down. That's
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like we did last week. Twelve of us stand up and say, we're not going to let you bring this to
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the floor. They can't understand that. And I'm the one who's baffled because I don't understand
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how you can't fight. How you can't fight. This gets back to the golden retriever thing. I mean,
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I got this golden retriever. Everybody wants to pet the golden retriever, but it's a big enough dog
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to fight. And so I find myself just saying, why don't you want to fight? Why don't you want us
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fight for the country? And they just think I'm outrageous, I guess. Well, and speaking of people
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yelling and all of this, I've never heard you raise your voice. I don't think any of your colleagues
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have. It would be my bet. And I just really can't understand why logic, reason, and facts don't
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present themselves meaningfully to these members of the Republican conference who are, they're really
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worse than rhinos, but let's call them rhinos and give them some little credit. It's a sad thing to
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watch. Yeah. Think of it, Lou, think of it this way. If you're in New York and you have a district
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that Biden won by a few points or maybe a lot, I don't know. But Democrats, independents, and
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Republicans all care about two issues, number one and two. They care about the border and they care
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about the economy. And what is devastating New York City right now? It is certainly the border
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issue has come right up to New York City or Chicago or Detroit and all these places.
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And they're puking. The economy is also touching them.
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Coming up now, Donald Trump is roaring full speed ahead into the primaries. America's Mayor Rudy
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Giuliani. Up next with his take, stay with us right here on The Great America Show.
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Thank you for staying with us on The Great America Sunday Show. Joining us now, as promised,
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America's Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Rudy, thank you for being with us. Let's start with what's going on,
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first of all, on the campaign trail, because I'm still excited about that huge victory for President
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Trump in the Iowa caucuses because it shut up a bunch of idiots in the left-wing media. A historic win,
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more than doubling the previous record margin of victory. Your thoughts about it, Rudy?
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Well, my thoughts are, this is so ridiculous that, you know, they really, they really want to run
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against him, right? You bet. And why do they indict him four times if they want to run against him?
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You don't indict somebody four times that you want to run against. I mean, it's totally ridiculous. He
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frightens the living daylights out of them. That's why they're trying to hijack New Hampshire now by
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bringing in all kinds of Democrats to vote. I mean, last week, they were registering Democrats
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as Republicans. They had up until Friday of last week to do that. And now they can get the
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independent-leaning Democrats to vote in the Republican primary. That's the only chance they
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have to narrow it. Among Republicans, Trump is probably beating them both by the same amount,
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30, 35, 40 percent. So it's pretty clear the Republican Party wants Donald Trump as their
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standard bearer and their candidate. And I don't know why Nikki Haley and DeSantis are trying to aid
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Joe Biden, who is clearly demented in being elected president again.
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Yeah, he's, his impairment is obvious to all who pay any attention at all. Even a glance will tell
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you that. And as to why, why Governor Ron DeSantis wants to be made fun of for another week is beyond
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me. Nikki Haley is a distant third from the president. Yeah. And she's acting like she is
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some sort of hope for the Republican business establishment. It's just crazy. I hope she does
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better in New Hampshire on what the causes of the Revolutionary War were than she did on the causes of
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the Civil War. And, you know, she's in the state that per capita lost to most people in the Civil War.
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And I believe it or not, that one really hurt her there. I mean, couldn't be a worse place for that
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kind of an ignorant statement. Yeah. Ignorant is the word and ignorant she was. But what I can't
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figure out is why she thought there was any other answer but slavery. I mean, they're just, what kind
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of decision treaty you go through to come up and leave out, I'm going to leave slavery out of the Civil
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War. It was mind boggling. But, you know, she also pulled another good one, Rudy. And that's when she
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said that she changes personality depending on the state she's campaigning in. I can't, truth speaks
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loudly, but that thing was roaring across the country. Sounds like Hillary when she tries to put
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on like a black accent. I'd rather. Well, at least she stopped short of that, at least as far as we
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know. And as we look at the president, my gosh, Rudy, we've both known him a long time. This man
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has got stamina. We knew that. He has got courage. He is strong as a bull. But what he's going through,
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what is he? He's in Iowa. Then the next thing he is in the courtroom. Then he is back
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to New Hampshire campaigning. He does a rally that last night. And here he is, fresh as a daisy.
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You know, I probably know that part of him as well as anyone since I spent virtually 24 hours a day
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with him for four months in 2016. I used to worry about him. I don't anymore. He thrives on this.
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I mean, he gets better. It's the strangest thing. And it's absolutely true. The more pressure,
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the better he gets. And he's improving, if that's possible. His speech the other night was one of
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his best. His rally the day or two before it was one of his best. And I was there at the first one.
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So I can rate them all. I mean, he's getting, if it's possible, he's getting better.
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Yeah, he is. And you know where he showed me how much better he's gotten?
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And he's in the courtroom with a judge who's just issued a gag order against him. And he can't
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say anything about anything. And he had a list of about a dozen things, starting, of course,
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who didn't want him talking about him at all. And he takes control of the closing arguments in the
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trial that Ingeron is running like a kangaroo court or a Soviet style show trial. And he just,
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he wipes the place clean of all of the BS and pretense and says, you know, I'm an innocent man
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and you guys are a bunch of crooked fools. And he was right.
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That thing is turning out, it's like falling apart completely with, it looks like there's a chance.
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I mean, these are only allegations, so we'll have to say they're only allegations.
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And they're presumed innocent. But so am I and the president, by the way, presumed innocent.
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The two alleged lovers there want to put us in jail for the rest of our lives.
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And it is somewhat annoying if this is true, that they were making a fortune
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on trying to destroy us falsely. You know, it's one thing for it to be politics, but
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stealing all this money. And the emphasis really should be on the stealing of the money,
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not their love affair, if there was one. That's a lot of money they were taking for very,
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very nice vacations. And they had an extra grand jury that wasn't necessary.
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That first grand jury that I appeared before couldn't recommend an indictment.
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Now, I know something about grand juries. I never heard one that couldn't recommend an indictment.
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So my guess is that was to kind of build up the expenses, get it from $300 to $600 or $700.
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All right. Well, $700,000 is what we're going to talk about next, because that's part of the
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fascinating set of subjects within this story. Fannie Willis, her special, I call her very own
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special counsel. We'll be taking that up with Rudy Giuliani in just a moment. Stay with us.
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Lou Dobbs here. I'm delighted to let you all know that the program
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Lou Dobbs Tonight has returned to the air. That's right. Lou Dobbs Tonight is back. We're live each
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and every weeknight at 7 p.m. Eastern and 6 p.m. Central on rumble.com slash Lou Dobbs. That's
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We're back now. We're talking with Rudy Giuliani. And Rudy, the Fannie Willis affair,
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I guess we could call it the Fannie Willis scandal. She is in a world of trouble. And her,
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I think you want to call him, I call him special counsel, Mr. Wade, what do you call him?
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Very special. I think we'll go with yours because very special seems to be where he was. He's making,
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this is a guy who doesn't really have a record of excellence or accomplishment in law. In fact,
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he's never tried a federal case in his life. And somehow he's making over $600,000 consulting
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the district attorney who is sponsored, of course, by George Soros.
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Well, he's actually was brought in for a highly unusual grand jury. He was brought in for a grand
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jury before the grand jury that could recommend to the grand jury, which accomplishes two things.
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It doubles the expenses. So there's more money for vacations, allegedly for Fannie and her very
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special counsel, but it also pushed the case over into the election year. So you got to watch that
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special grand jury very carefully now. And this probably was done with consultation with the White
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House because the very special counsel who knows nothing about RICO, nothing about felony prosecutions,
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it's got to know something about politics. It goes down to the White House for two meetings with the White
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House, I think, counsel. So I've never I've never heard of the case being coordinated with the White
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House counsel's office. So what do you think they were coordinating about? Well, it worked out for
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everybody. They they made allegedly lots of money so they could go to very fancy places and they got to push
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right into the election year so they could interfere with the election. So it was like two for one for
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the Democrats there. And they could have boosted those that leverage, too, because if if Fannie and
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her very special counsel on those lavish vacations and to those extravagant bills that they were getting,
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you know, if they were actually deducting that vacation because they were discussing the case,
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I mean, that would be quite a remarkable. Well, we'll have to see. I mean, I do think the case has
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to be dismissed. How about a legal theory like it stinks? Like said again, it's the high heaven of
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corruption. I mean, it's but of course, what would you expect from Atlanta and Fulton County? I have
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said from the very beginning, going back to the election cases and everything else, they picked
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very crooked Democratic cities to play their games. And Fulton County would fit right in there.
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And that was typical of Fulton County. And I don't know where the hell the governor is,
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except he's out of the country right now. Yeah, he's in Davos. I mean, you don't want to have
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Oh, yeah, he's in Davos. And meanwhile, his state is reeking of corruption.
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Yeah, reeking of corruption. And by the way, there is a hearing that's going to be held as early as next
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month on Fannie Willis and specifically on the issue of her very special counsel and where that
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money went. And we haven't even talked about that 14 and a half, well, $14.6 million that was a
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Department of Justice grant to her office, the district attorney's office in 2020. And where did
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that money go? Was it being used to go after Rudy Giuliani, 16, 17 others had President Trump?
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It's interesting that it lasted for three whole years now. And that this is very expensive. As you
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said, one grand jury is expensive, two gets to be lavish. Yeah. And I, you know, excuse me,
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a little personal resentment, just they want to put me in jail for the rest of my life. Yeah.
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For doing nothing wrong but being a lawyer. It's a little extraordinary. They don't ever look that
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it looks like the real allegations of crime are the prosecutors, not the people they're prosecuting.
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Have you ever seen the like? I mean, the prosecutors, whether you're talking about DOJ
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prosecutors, whether you're talking about Fannie Willis and Fulton County, whether you're talking
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about Letitia James, the attorney general, the Manhattan district attorney for crying out loud.
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This is outrageous. It's on its face. It's coordinated.
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Yeah. Yeah. I mean, look, I keep pointing out Garland would not have picked Smith if he wanted
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an ethical prosecutor. Smith has a record as an unethical prosecutor documented by a nine nothing
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decision of the Supreme Court in which he was excoriated for prosecuting the governor of Virginia,
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who then turned out to have his case thrown out nine nothing after his career was ruined.
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So now if you're looking for a squeaky clean prosecutor, you don't go pick a guy with a record
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like that unless you're looking for a guy to fix a case for it.
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Yeah. How do you get a special counsel, a prosecutor that's ethical and clean when most of the prosecutors,
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I would guess most of the criminal division of the Justice Department have been used up going after
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American citizens, overcharging them absolutely outrageously so that more the D.C. district
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courts can then over sentence them and keep them in jail in perpetuity without a trial date as of three
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years after the event. They've done it. They've done they've wreaked havoc on the Justice Department,
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starting probably with Holder and Obama. That's where I really I think my my friend and former
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colleague Mukasey was probably the last real attorney general. Thanks, everybody, for being with us here
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today. Join us tomorrow for The Great America Show. Our guest will be the former chief of the Capitol
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Police on January 6th. Stephen Sund. And please join us for Lou Dobbs tonight each and every weeknight
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