The Great America Show - The Great America Sunday Show： July 13, 2025

00:00:00.000 hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us today just

00:00:07.080 moments ago the supreme court giving president trump their permission allowing him to do what

00:00:12.760 he was going to do anyway because he knew he was allowed to do it to go ahead and continue

00:00:17.440 to move forward with plans to slash the federal workforce and to dismantle federal agencies this

00:00:23.680 is all part of uh what was i guess formerly known as doge i'm not sure if it's still called doge with

00:00:29.100 elon musk on the outs uh but injunction after injunction rogue judge after rogue judge

00:00:35.720 coming in and trying to stop president trump's agenda uh as we see it's it's just not working

00:00:42.220 the supreme court last week told us that uh these rogue judges have got to stop and they're not

00:00:46.420 allowed to do what they've been doing today we reaffirm uh notice every single court that a case

00:00:52.500 that has been brought under an injunction by these people that's made it to the supreme court has

00:00:57.980 ruled in president trump's favor and i've said this before the deep state these rogue judges these

00:01:04.440 marxist leftists are losing to a man named stephen miller a man who's not even an attorney so they

00:01:10.000 should really be embarrassed with themselves some other news of the day the president trump holding

00:01:15.660 a cabinet meeting earlier today pam bondi of course in attendance i wish this was something we didn't have

00:01:21.720 to keep talking about but i feel the need it is because nothing is being done about it pam bondi

00:01:27.480 addressing um what she had said about her 10 000 documents leave a little side by side from you

00:01:34.680 for you guys of pam bondi back in march saying the fbi was reviewing through those 10 000 plus images and

00:01:43.740 videos and then pam bondi today just brushing it off take a listen the first clip is from back in march

00:01:51.400 there are tens of thousands of videos of epstein with children or child porn and there are hundreds

00:02:01.180 of victims and no one victim will ever get released it's just the volume and that's what they're going

00:02:07.780 through also to the tens of thousands of video they turned out to be child porn downloaded by that

00:02:14.040 disgusting jeffrey epstein just brushed it off oh yeah it's just child porn it's nothing too crazy

00:02:20.700 the thing that i continue to say and the thing that continues to boggle me and boggle my mind and that

00:02:26.240 keeps me up at night is knowing that there's only one person sitting in jail as a result of jeffrey

00:02:32.980 epstein's doings galene maxwell his pimp the only person sitting in jail so that means 10 000 hours

00:02:41.960 thousands and thousands of hours whatever that person said pam bondi said hasn't resulted in any

00:02:49.220 criminal findings for anybody but jeffrey epstein i find that impossible impossible to believe and i

00:02:56.200 think the american people find it impossible impossible to believe which is why we're not shutting up about

00:03:01.040 this how is it possible that nobody has been brought to the knees of justice jeffrey epstein's

00:03:09.080 now dead so he can't be still unclear how he died the department of justice tells us he hung himself

00:03:14.920 i don't think anybody believes that either so what are we to believe here when you have one person

00:03:22.860 rotting in jail who will be out before she's dead in glane maxwell back in may congressman james

00:03:29.940 comber was on with benny johnson and he had said he believed that these files that she spoke about

00:03:34.940 were non-existent and they were all deleted take a listen what's next i mean we we did a little bit

00:03:40.600 of a preview on the epstein files obviously uh that's a that's like finding a unicorn uh in washington

00:03:47.620 dc you have come on and talked about that on this program just in the sake for the sake of transparency

00:03:53.060 which is very big for you and so in you know in in closing any motion on that any movement on that

00:03:59.300 we hear that there's a timeline now i hope i hope james has the epstein files because i don't think

00:04:07.160 the department of justice has them or at least the attorney general does not have them or she would

00:04:11.920 have turned them over uh the president ordered them released the attorney general ordered them

00:04:16.860 released uh we all know they have not been released and one of my biggest fears that i had

00:04:22.220 and i expressed this with was cash patel and a lot of people uh stephen miller and a lot of people going

00:04:27.900 into the to the new administration i'm like you know i hope they're not shredding documents right now

00:04:35.100 this was a few weeks before the transition i said i hope they're not shredding documents

00:04:39.520 but you all need to go on that first day and try to get all this stuff released because you know my

00:04:45.800 fear is from from what i've dealt with in investigations and and in communication with

00:04:51.000 with this deep state apparatus is they're probably in their shredding documents as we speak so hopefully

00:04:58.160 someone has a copy of that and and you know i hope we find out because our task force has done

00:05:04.400 everything led by anna polina luna you you had her on your show many times i mean she's

00:05:09.340 relentless she's persistent she's pretty frustrated right now that uh that these files haven't been

00:05:16.360 released even though the president and the attorney general have ordered them released but you know

00:05:21.340 and so i got i told uh anna the same thing i told patel and everybody else i'm like you you assume

00:05:27.600 that somebody in the deep state said okay we'll just put these in a file back here this incriminating

00:05:33.860 evidence on on everybody and uh maybe the next administration can can do whatever they want to

00:05:39.540 do with it that's that's unfortunately the way it's supposed to work but hasn't worked with with

00:05:46.220 this deep state so they're just gonna let the incriminating evidence sit there smoldering that

00:05:51.800 could put them all in prison yeah yeah no yeah i will they should that's what they're supposed to do

00:05:56.240 but you know you and i have dealt with them benny you you've covered the deep state as well as anyone

00:06:01.780 i mean they're they're they cover their tracks and it's just hard for me to believe they're going to

00:06:06.680 leave incriminating evidence if the government was involved if the government wasn't involved i don't

00:06:11.340 think they would have any reason to protect bill clinton or hillary clinton they're never going to be

00:06:15.140 elected anything again i don't think they would have any reason to protect bill gates or anybody else

00:06:19.740 uh the the concern i've always had about the epstein file was the government involved did the

00:06:25.020 government know did the was the government using epstein and the videos to blackmail the most

00:06:30.880 influential people around the world if that's the case and they knew there were uh victims of sex crimes

00:06:38.680 there and they they did nothing so you know that's that's the concern i have if if the government

00:06:47.640 covers this up i don't believe it's because of any love affair affection for the clinton family just

00:06:55.140 like i never believed they were hiding and covering for the bidens because they loved joe biden it was

00:06:59.900 because they hated donald trump you know they didn't want their agencies to be disrupted the same thing

00:07:05.320 with the epstein files i don't know this but my concern is that uh that the government may have

00:07:12.380 known a lot more it may have been an so that was james comer back at house oversight chairman james

00:07:18.220 comer back in may and i sat down with james comer about a month ago in dc in his office and we did

00:07:24.400 about a half hour interview and after the interview i spoke to james comer for about another half hour 45

00:07:30.240 minutes just he and i and i know james comer probably for three or four years now uh spoke to him many

00:07:41.040 times and and got to see him finally in person just about a month ago and i know him to be an

00:07:46.100 honorable person i believe him over anybody who has come out and spoken out about this issue

00:07:52.140 comer believes and this is a man who does the investigations now some people are upset that

00:07:58.820 there was nobody arrested but it's not up to comer to arrest people it's up to the department of justice

00:08:03.600 he made the referrals in the biden cases merrick garland was corrupt as heck so nobody was getting

00:08:08.840 indicted that is not on james comer and we can't hold his feet to it he did the best investigation

00:08:14.360 he possibly could so going back to it i spoke with comer in depth about this both in the interview and

00:08:21.100 after the interview and i trust him more than i trust pam bondy pam bondy has an extremely questionable

00:08:27.520 record that we we all know about whether it be her endorsements of jeb bush and the bush family whether

00:08:34.900 it be her her work in the epstein case when she was the attorney for florida i mean you can go down

00:08:41.120 the list of things that i think uh qualify her to be non-trustworthy what do we got here we've got here

00:08:49.140 we've got some um some good old pam bondy content june 15th 2015 proud to stand with jeb bush on this day

00:08:57.080 of his announcement all in for jeb jeb announcement hashtag great day big jeb bush lindsey graham there of

00:09:04.480 course john mccain that tells you who pam bondy is and if we can trust her or not i don't think

00:09:12.640 we can and at this point i've lost it so comer says there that the documents were deleted maybe

00:09:18.800 possibly and then we go back to that letter that was released yesterday by the fbi and the department

00:09:23.900 of justice in which they say the systematic review revealed no incriminating climate list there was also

00:09:30.180 no credible evidence found that epstein blackmailed prominent individuals as part of his actions we

00:09:36.100 did not uncover evidence that could predicate an investigation against uncharged third parties

00:09:41.320 yeah so they found all of that um regardless of what comer says regardless of what other people say

00:09:50.400 speaking of other people a former cia officer his name is john i hope i'm pronouncing this right

00:09:55.260 korea ku on fox news yesterday had his take on what happened with this investigation i'm not blaming

00:10:03.500 the fbi director cash patel or the deputy director dan bongino i think that that layer beneath them

00:10:10.340 that's part of what we like to call the deep state has taken this bull by the horns and they've probably

00:10:15.840 destroyed information look at what the cia did in 1975 after congress ordered that it release uh all of

00:10:23.620 its files related to an operation called mk ultra the director of the cia went back to headquarters

00:10:29.100 and ordered everything to be destroyed and in the end only about 20 percent of the documents survived

00:10:34.320 we're still learning about the the fbi's uh operations against martin luther king 50 55 years after the fact

00:10:42.260 so now we're supposed to believe that everybody's telling the truth that there were no files there were

00:10:47.720 no dossiers i'm sorry i just don't buy it because i know how these people operate

00:10:52.200 so who deleted the files and what was deleted let's go back to what pam bondy told us

00:10:58.900 and her denial of what james comard said about those files being deleted

00:11:03.080 no no the fbi yeah the fbi they're reviewing there are tens of thousands of videos of epstein

00:11:16.860 with children or child porn and there are hundreds of victims and no one victim will ever get released

00:11:25.820 it's just the volume and that's what they're going through right now the fbi is diligently

00:11:29.980 going through that i haven't seen that statement but i'll call him later and find out

00:11:34.560 you hear her scoff at it when uh that reporter says files are missing she gives a little

00:11:39.780 like it was a joke 10 000 hours or whatever document she says that's just child porn so all

00:11:48.900 the hidden cameras were told about in epstein island uh all the hidden cameras in his new york city

00:11:53.820 apartment all the hidden cameras in uh his home in palm beach what was on them it was just jeffrey epstein

00:12:01.160 it was child porn that she says he downloaded is anyone believing this pam bondy really thinks

00:12:09.660 we're stupid the federal government really thinks we're stupid i just want to know who they're

00:12:15.060 protecting and who's complicit in all this because for this to be this big of a cover-up someone is

00:12:20.720 being protected and i'm not entirely sure who it is we're going to take a quick break here on the

00:12:26.040 other side of this quick break we're going to be joined by my good friend a man who you all love on

00:12:30.200 this show one of the smartest people we have on this show i must say he goes by the name of russ

00:12:35.640 tice he's a former senior nsa intel analyst and whistleblower he knows a lot about this and he knows

00:12:42.560 the inner workings of the cia the nsa and these organizations i want to get his take on maybe what

00:12:49.820 happened here i also want to get his take on what we believe right now is a deep state coup to go after

00:12:57.120 tulsi gabbard at dni what did she do so wrong we're going to take a quick break here we're coming

00:13:02.960 back with russ tice on the other side of this quick break folks stay with us there's so much more to come

00:13:07.520 thanks for staying with us folks as promised joining us right now the great russ tice russ as

00:13:19.560 always it's a delight to have you with us i feel like it should be on better circumstances but i want

00:13:24.940 to begin with first everything that we found out over the last 48 hours or so sunday night i was

00:13:30.880 getting ready to go to bed russ and the fbi decides they're going to dump these documents a two-page

00:13:36.620 document that says case is closed jeffrey epstein's exonerated there's no videos of anybody we don't know

00:13:43.300 of anybody who went to epstein island who did any sort of bad things all the witness testimony is

00:13:49.240 bullshit uh virginia dufrey who happened to die in a car accident just a month ago uh it was an accident

00:13:55.260 uh case is closed there's nothing else to see here on the sunday night of the fourth of july weekend russ

00:14:02.460 uh that smells to high heavens to me you're the industry professional tell me what you gauge from

00:14:09.720 a press release like that on a sunday night on the july 4th weekend let's think common sense here

00:14:16.660 if just if epstein was just looking at child porn uh why would he have hidden cameras all over

00:14:24.820 and on pedo island and all these other places uh what what are they for um you got to think about

00:14:31.400 semantics too they say well epstein never never blackmailed anyone well that may be true but was

00:14:38.340 epstein acting as a surrogate for uh for mi6 for the brits for massad for the israelis

00:14:46.060 and for cia for the united states and putting this out for them he was on the cia and payroll

00:14:53.100 and now boy that would understand you know go to understand how he came with with hundreds of

00:14:58.420 millions of dollars for his uh his elaborate lifestyle so um you know epstein killed himself

00:15:07.160 i mean sorry epstein did not kill himself uh he almost had you complicit here russ yeah yeah like

00:15:14.200 oh i meant it's just an automatic response right so um i i i'm 99.5 percent sure that that's the case

00:15:23.440 as an intelligence analyst looking at all the information there's no way that that he killed

00:15:29.560 himself um i think he was about to sing uh when he said when they said we're going to put you away he

00:15:35.120 said oh yeah well i'm going to tell the whole truth about everybody i was working for cia massad whoever

00:15:40.280 you have the guy down in florida beforehand when he got when he got a slap on the wrist conviction

00:15:45.800 and the prosecutor in florida said hey i was told to take it easy on him because he was part of the intel

00:15:51.580 community uh so so that you know the season it's already there what's going on here now do i do i think

00:16:00.640 this fbi and the intel community and along with the deep state you know like the day after president

00:16:07.440 trump got elected in early november didn't start shredding and burning and everything chomping

00:16:12.100 everything that they had oh yeah i think they did yeah every bit of it and as uh as john caracal just

00:16:19.120 mentioned in your in your lead in there um you know he's he's a cia guy he knows what they did

00:16:24.040 uh even even back uh during the church committee uh uh president ford uh okayed nsa to start spying on

00:16:32.260 on the congressman and the church committee and and uh senator church himself and the the nsa put

00:16:39.780 a human indicator on on the the documentation as if it came from human sources which was a total lie

00:16:46.160 they sent that to the cia and then i guess the cia didn't get all of it and that that human source

00:16:52.800 shows up when it's clear it was clearly an nsa wired uh domestic tap on on the uh on the church

00:17:00.280 committee and center church himself so yes they will try to do like any criminal you know these

00:17:06.820 are criminal acts and a criminal will try to get rid of all the evidence so you know so he doesn't

00:17:12.860 get caught you know this is this is just common sense what a criminal is going to do and these people

00:17:20.040 are criminals uh and i would certainly like to see the criminals in jail where they belong now as far

00:17:27.460 as these reports today maybe cash patel and dan bongina were telling the truth uh maybe they're

00:17:34.660 they were so good at wiping the wiping all the evidence out tangible that they had with this fbi

00:17:41.140 maybe nsa was involved in making sure they wiped out because they're the only agency that can literally

00:17:45.860 wipe out everything electronically and the cei got rid of all their stuff and uh the only thing that the

00:17:52.420 that the the fbi director has now is uh you know you know maybe some some ashes on the floor you know

00:17:59.780 so then the next question is uh you know do they not know because there's no evidence do they not know

00:18:07.080 because they don't want to know yeah hey i don't know i don't want to know uh we have no evidence we

00:18:13.440 found nothing maybe well because we didn't look um and the other the other question is do they know and

00:18:19.240 they're lying those i think those are your three options um so which one is it um yeah i don't know

00:18:28.200 i i tend to think no matter how you try to hide something you're going to have vestiges right of

00:18:34.240 that activity that you're going to find or maybe a floppy drive or or uh or you know a thumb drive or

00:18:41.000 how about witnesses russ how about the fbi agents who raided that apartment how about the feds who raided

00:18:47.500 that apartment how about the local police officers who raided that apartment in new york city how about

00:18:51.640 the one that they raided in florida how about the one that they raided in florida back in 2000 in the

00:18:56.580 early 2000s uh before this thing went federal and it was just florida when you mentioned alex azar was

00:19:02.640 in charge on there uh how about the ones on epstein's island how about the ones in new mexico

00:19:07.880 there's people russ there's human people who went in and took evidence there's human there's people

00:19:13.240 who went in and and and saw evidence the other thing is is if this is so bad and this is such a weak case

00:19:19.300 why is jeffrey epstein committing suicide this is a man who died with a net worth of around they

00:19:26.540 estimate five to six hundred million dollars so that tells me as i said on yesterday's show russ

00:19:31.640 um that's a man who's going to be defended very well in court oj simpson got off with something we all

00:19:38.700 know he did he i think he admitted it on his dead deathbed uh that he did it so this is a man who

00:19:46.300 was going to be very heavily defended okay if he was an agent of massad or mi6 or the cia

00:19:53.220 he probably knew in the back of his mind this is a smart man an evil man but a smart man

00:19:58.060 that there was no way he was going to be convicted because of all that would come out and he would

00:20:02.920 start singing and a deal was going to be made so why does a man like that kill himself if he's

00:20:07.940 going to kill himself why doesn't he wait until he's found guilty where he knows he's spending

00:20:13.100 five years in jail 10 years in jail or the rest of his life in jail things don't add up here russ

00:20:18.580 and supposedly just before his death he was quite cheerful about how he thought he was he was going

00:20:23.720 to get off on this probably because he thought he was going to use what he had against the government

00:20:28.700 and the government was going to let him off the hook again like he got off basically in florida

00:20:33.540 um everything everything points to the fact that he was working for the intel services

00:20:40.200 our own and a couple overseas uh especially the the amount of money he had now what would a man

00:20:46.380 i don't mean to cut you off what would a man like him be doing what have you seen people like this

00:20:53.660 have you worked with people like this in your in your years in the intel agencies plants and things

00:20:58.420 like this uh if you have what would you believe that epstein's job would be uh as a plant well you

00:21:07.460 know i worked a lot with the cia and especially when i was in langley you know i i used to go out to

00:21:13.660 the smoking area although i don't smoke i take a pipe with me yeah and i wouldn't light it up i just

00:21:19.020 went out there to listen to folks uh smoking out there because that's where you get all the good

00:21:23.060 gossip and people would ask you know oh you know i'd say i'm from i'm from nsa or dia and they uh

00:21:28.920 they say oh well what do you work i say i work on black programs on my life well as soon as they hear

00:21:33.120 that i can't tell them that something they have to say oh my goodness well well you know what i work

00:21:38.260 in something really important too you know and and this is how important so i would learn things

00:21:43.080 from the eye and all the different agencies i'd work with it was kind of something i used to kind of do

00:21:48.260 just to uh to hang out in the smoking area a little bit and and i and i would i would had

00:21:53.060 contact contacts all over i made sure i got rid of those contacts very quickly when i thought nsa you

00:21:58.920 know had an inkling that i might know what they did so i i white i literally tore out a third of my uh

00:22:05.480 my uh rolodex uh contacts to make sure they didn't know i know these people but but yes the the the cia

00:22:13.280 and i was involved tangentially tangentially because i i would work the comms for some of

00:22:18.960 these things that were going on overseas for the for the satellites so they would always have to come

00:22:23.260 to me to de-conflict to make sure we weren't stepping on each other's toes for whatever's

00:22:27.320 going on was i read into them no but i could certainly kind of figure out something was going

00:22:31.480 on when during that time frame i found out here in the news that some guy got whacked you know

00:22:36.560 place of that place and i'm going gee you know that's right about the time they asked me to do

00:22:41.200 something for them with their comms or so it wasn't hard for me to figure out these things

00:22:46.600 yes so we whack people as far as epstein here's something i haven't said i'll say right now

00:22:53.380 the cia is big into the drugs they have a drug that can basically anesthetize someone to the point

00:22:59.240 where all their bodily functions are working but they but they can't you know they can't

00:23:04.960 realize you know you know they can't move their motor functions as far as their arm or whatever

00:23:09.720 so you can put a rope around their neck you can drown them you can push them off a building

00:23:14.380 the cause of death will be drowning it'll be by hanging it'll be and epstein i think they literally

00:23:20.920 choked him they uh they used a garrett and uh choked him to death but uh you know so it'll be that

00:23:26.520 but the cause of death or off a building uh you know sudden impact and the uh the remnants of that drug

00:23:32.980 they very quickly leave the body you would have to have a very very um delicate capability with the

00:23:41.480 toxicology to be able to pick that out of the blood and in many cases like the shooter on the roof the

00:23:48.000 first shooter that came after after president trump they certainly got rid of the blood off the roof and

00:23:52.920 they and they uh cremated his body very quickly to make sure that toxicology didn't happen

00:23:57.180 uh because i think he was drugged up by the cia as well so you know it's easy to kill someone

00:24:05.420 and and all the other things you know all those other things that don't make sense that the film

00:24:10.800 was probably manipulated there's a two there's a one minute or plus a one minute two second gap in the

00:24:16.160 film as it is you can you can freeze a frame on a camera and make it make the clock still run so that

00:24:22.300 you see the same frame but then you lord what's going on in the underneath that can be done as

00:24:28.540 well so and i'll bet you another thing i'll bet you the two guards and the warden that were in that uh

00:24:35.360 in that prison are doing quite well for themselves right now new homes uh they're being taken care of

00:24:41.360 and they know if they open their mouths they're going to be dead so that whole story changed too it was

00:24:45.940 like they fell asleep and this and that and the camera footage was non-existent then all of a sudden it

00:24:51.520 appeared it's like people aren't asking these questions i go sit on twitter all day long and

00:24:56.400 it's probably not good for my mental health but all these people who are like kissing the rear ends of

00:25:01.360 pam bondy and this person and that person uh are just dead silent on twitter right now and i call it

00:25:08.500 out for what it is and you know what i probably lose audience over it but that's fine because i'm here

00:25:13.020 to report the news uh you know not make friends obviously i love having an audience and uh they love me if

00:25:19.080 they tune in but um i'm not on the side of right and left russ i'm on the side of right and wrong and

00:25:26.180 i report what it is regardless of what it is and that was the same standard that lou dobbs had and

00:25:32.800 it's the same standard that i'm going to to keep the rest of my life uh i'm not going to sit here and

00:25:38.640 defend somebody because they agree with me politically that wouldn't be very american of me it wouldn't be

00:25:43.800 very human of me but there are people out there who are like that going back to jeffrey epstein

00:25:49.360 what do you believe his job would have been on behalf of the cia or mi6 or massad to facilitate

00:25:57.120 having very influential people come to his his facilities to engage in uh you know in uh buggering

00:26:04.280 these little girls and then ultimately blackmailing them to to for whatever the the get whether it be

00:26:10.320 money to support uh programs uh you know the cia has been used many or have have reached out to

00:26:18.220 other sources of income many many times where they didn't have to go into the government till

00:26:23.500 so especially if you're getting you're getting money from a billionaire because you can basically

00:26:29.280 blackmail them then you have money to do all kinds of other illicit things so to me you know when

00:26:36.580 they said think about the semantics epstein did not blackmail anyone well okay did he was he the go

00:26:43.240 between between intelligence agencies there were blackmailing people and i would say that is the

00:26:49.840 most as john caracal also agrees apparently that is the most likely scenario here that that he was part

00:26:56.220 of the intel community he was the surrogate for them to to find these guys that were in the you know

00:27:02.460 messing with these young young girls and then using it against them michael bodden has done uh he's a

00:27:09.000 pathologist and a doctor he's done over a thousand autopsies uh has come out after epstein was killed he was

00:27:15.500 there for epstein's autopsy on behalf of epstein's brother jeffrey epstein's brother uh and said that the

00:27:22.740 three broken bones in epstein's neck uh were inconsistent with something he's uh with with what he's seen his

00:27:29.580 entire career he's never seen it in his entire life at all the abnormalities already surrounding his

00:27:35.260 death um suicide watch being allowed to be in there with a c-pat machine with cords killed himself with

00:27:41.740 uh pretty much the sheet the thickness of a bandana i mean you go down the list of things that just don't

00:27:49.520 smell right and this man says he didn't he doesn't believe you know died that way and it didn't you know

00:27:55.920 put it out anything further but doesn't believe it um do you think this is truly case closed as

00:28:02.520 pam bondy says or do you think um the pressure stays on well it depends um you know she's now the power that

00:28:12.260 be um does president trump is he in the dark about this um it's is this is a deep state involved in this

00:28:24.200 one too i i had no idea that miss bondy was uh basically uh you know push the bush supporter and

00:28:30.480 and uh and the guy out there in arizona um uh those are neocons that's the neocon agenda so

00:28:38.600 i'm kind of suspicious about miss bondy right now um i kind of wonder you know i kind of think cash

00:28:46.960 patel is you know especially with what happened to him i don't think that he would he would he would

00:28:52.140 um just turn a blind eye um and the same thing with bongino um so on gino i gotta be totally honest

00:29:02.660 russ i've worked with him at fox i never trusted bongino um i can't say i really liked him uh there

00:29:09.680 was always just something off about him yesterday we rolled a bunch of clips and i know cash very well

00:29:15.220 i've known him for a very long time you know i i go back and forth on where i am with him

00:29:21.180 and i pray what you're saying is is factual and that he's not complicit in this because i

00:29:25.940 like you said everything that's happened to cash i i hope this is just them keeping it for him which

00:29:31.240 doesn't sound good me saying that but just for my own sanity that cash is not a bad man because i don't

00:29:37.540 think he is uh bondy people want to talk about tucker carlson and being a qatar agent and this

00:29:45.380 and that paid by qatar why don't they go look at pam bondy and her lobbying for qatar just before

00:29:52.000 becoming the attorney general of the united states everyone wants to point fingers why don't we look

00:29:56.440 at that uh big bush woman an establishment republican who i don't believe should have ever been there in

00:30:02.800 the first place um i believe this was all part of the deep state's plan to push matt gates to become

00:30:08.840 the attorney general and knowing that he would never get confirmed by the senate and then it gave

00:30:13.740 them an easy way out well we need someone who's very easily confirmable no it's pam bondy because

00:30:19.420 she's an agent of just about everybody russ well dan bongino i'll give you a heads up i reached out to

00:30:26.300 him three years ago to let him know that i believe the deep state would try to try to kill

00:30:31.180 assassinate president trump um and he basically didn't believe me and kind of basically blew me

00:30:39.360 off because he knows so that you know and i i tried i tried to go through his producer who was

00:30:46.240 here in maryland and i had lunch with him several times to try to to try to convince you through his

00:30:51.760 producer to talk to dan who would not meet with me by the way i said look i'll fly down there to florida

00:30:57.280 on my own dime and i'll tell you a whole lot of reasons uh why i think this is going to happen

00:31:02.480 it's going to come from our deep state and our intelligence community and i was going to tell

00:31:06.540 them how it would probably happen there would be at least one or more inside men at this at the secret

00:31:12.360 service and i would still have these emails by the way russ pardon do you still have these emails

00:31:17.320 i do yeah sure i want to share them i'd be happy to have you back on another i mean i'm always happy to

00:31:22.660 have you on but i'd love to lay it all out there for the people because transparency is what we need

00:31:28.380 go on i'm sorry i didn't mean to cut you off i'm not sure i feel comfortable about releasing emails to

00:31:34.300 someone who even though i think it's a just thing to do um without dan's permission but um we're not let

00:31:43.760 me think about that um but yeah dan blew me off um because i think you know remember nsa said i was

00:31:50.940 crazy so this guy's looking up and said oh nsa says this guy's crazy so bongino's looking at this

00:31:56.440 going well maybe tice is crazy and and it and and him he's thinking oh my brethren to see at the

00:32:02.500 secret service would never do so be involved in such a thing yeah and um so he he probably had in his

00:32:09.500 mind reason to think that i was a little nuts and that there wasn't validity to this i was trying to

00:32:15.540 get him to get in touch with his friends at the secret service to get word to president trump and

00:32:19.680 that's to what to look out for because i was pretty sure they were going to try to assassinate president

00:32:24.400 trump at that time yeah once i was i was totally getting blown off by dan trying over and over again

00:32:30.640 i finally went to another guy his name was lou dobbs so and lou dobbs i was on vacation i think and uh

00:32:38.820 and i had a message from him and uh sure enough uh it was lou dobbs and it wasn't long before i was

00:32:45.480 talking to lou dobbs quite a bit over the phone and then he said i want to have you on air and then

00:32:50.200 that's when i all that's when i started with lou and i was hoping because i i believed that lou

00:32:54.420 dobbs had the year of the president and that lou would get in touch with the president trump and let

00:32:59.520 him know that this intel guy believed that the deep state and and uh and and and the intel community

00:33:08.320 and even a couple insiders in the secret service would be involved in this now i don't know whether

00:33:13.420 lou did or did not talk to the president about this or and if he did whether the president said

00:33:19.140 well that i don't believe that either you know you know who's this guy russ tice um i i don't know

00:33:26.080 i'd have to talk to the president and i've never met the man to discuss it with him but um i was quite

00:33:32.140 sure he did it he did lou was a man of his word i don't know if he ever he told you he did get a

00:33:36.460 chance to but uh if he told you he did he did lose not uh was always a man of his word i know that to

00:33:42.980 be a fact i know the man for for a very long time uh it was an honor to know him bongino was naive i

00:33:49.680 think bongino's grown up like i said russ he knew he knows it all right he's one of those guys who

00:33:54.740 can't be taught anything he's good and you know what the crazy thing to is lou used to i'll tell you a

00:34:00.120 quick story just between you and i uh lou used to joke with me and he'd say uh you know he would

00:34:06.260 tell me to do something and i'd tell him i already did it or i did it a different way than he told me

00:34:10.100 and he'd get mad at me he'd go you know what the problem with you is john you're uh you know what

00:34:15.600 the problem with a 30 year old guy uh who thinks he's a finished product and he would tell me that

00:34:21.660 he goes that's a problem you're a 30 year old guy who thinks you're a finished product that's a

00:34:25.780 effing problem is what he would tell me and i would joke with lou i go you know what there's

00:34:29.800 a problem lou a 77 year old man who thinks he's a finished product and he would die laughing man

00:34:35.300 because you know we'd go back and forth with each other like that but he's absolutely right and you

00:34:39.980 know what lou to uh lou to rust his dying day lou was still learning everything we did in this podcast

00:34:45.840 business he and i came into it we knew nothing about it he wanted to learn every aspect of it as a 70

00:34:52.000 whenever we got into it a 75 year old man he said everything you learn i want you to teach me

00:34:56.740 he was a man who sat there and he listened he was not one who sat in the room and and commanded that

00:35:01.900 everyone listened to him because he knows everything he never pretended like he did and he knew he

00:35:06.080 didn't because none of us do and he was a man who sat there and listened and that was his greatest

00:35:10.420 trait uh russ he sat there he listened and he knew that no matter how old you are you're always

00:35:18.420 learning and that's dan bongino's problem is is he thinks he knows everything well you know lou would

00:35:24.220 call me up and we talked for an hour or more and he even said he said look i i'm lacking in the intel

00:35:30.200 world you know tell me everything i can you know sponge and uh and we talked a lot about space too

00:35:35.680 because he loves space yeah but um you know he was like he was like a five-year-old you know they're

00:35:40.780 they're sponges just soaking up everything i think dan bongino was suffering with a little bit of uh

00:35:46.580 you know uh you know the cop syndrome of uh the arrogant cop syndrome i i think he's he's realized

00:35:54.160 that that he doesn't know as much as he he thought he knew but um you know so he's sort of like uh

00:36:02.040 cassius patel's uh you know junkyard dog right now so uh and i think that's a good role for him but um

00:36:09.440 you know hopefully the president got the word but uh you know the problem was it would have been

00:36:16.320 there's always an inside man when there's assassination there's always at least one

00:36:20.560 inside man so um and and the ci we do assassinations it's that simple and i know that oh god it scares

00:36:30.520 the heck out of me uh yeah lou listened and you're absolutely right uh i i'm not exaggerating um

00:36:37.060 you know up until his dying day lou and i would speak on the phone russ probably for

00:36:41.120 collectively three or four hours a day we talk every morning for about an hour and a half

00:36:45.400 we talk every night after the show for about an hour and a half that's three hours there and we'd

00:36:50.280 speak somewhere between in the middle of the day for an hour um four or five hours a day i i got to

00:36:56.920 meet his kids some of his kids for the first time after he passed away i introduced myself and they

00:37:01.640 said no we know exactly who you are uh you're like lou's other son and and we'd all joke that i was

00:37:07.660 one of his uh children because we were so close and uh you know there's not a day that goes by

00:37:13.940 that i don't think about him i think about him every morning when i wake up i think about him

00:37:17.200 every night when i go to sleep and uh in 10 days it's going to be the anniversary one year of his

00:37:21.880 passing uh you know i'm dreading it thinking about it but uh you know to think that it's been a year

00:37:29.320 long since i started on this journey a few years since lou and i started on it uh it's crazy to me

00:37:34.900 to think and it doesn't feel like it's been a year you know i still have voicemails that make me cry

00:37:39.800 uh on my phone that you know lou would leave me and i can't even go look at them i can't even go

00:37:44.280 look at pictures of him and i because it you know it it just kills me but i have one voice message

00:37:49.100 is still in my recorder i tell my wife do not erase you know lou dobbs's message because every now and

00:37:55.560 then i like to hear his voice and i'm sorry i never got to meet him in person that time it's

00:38:00.680 uh cpac cpac a couple years ago that had that little snafu with the security thing i was hoping to get

00:38:07.100 to meet him then but we had i had no idea that we wouldn't have him um you know none of us did

00:38:14.320 russ and that's why i tell everyone every day i just got a word this morning one of my buddies i

00:38:18.000 spoke with yesterday passed away and i you know i still don't know the details of but it's you know

00:38:22.580 every day you don't know what's going to happen and uh you know my time with lou was uh i was told

00:38:29.980 you know a day before what was happening so it's you know you never get to mentally prepare

00:38:34.500 uh and that's the worst part about it you know i've had grandparents die and you know what's

00:38:39.120 happening right so you have time to mentally prepare for it but when you're told the day or

00:38:42.620 two before uh this is it you know you never get your mind around it because you never get to say

00:38:48.740 what you had to say and you know what you wanted to say and i i joke with deb lou's wife all the time

00:38:55.400 that there's so many things that i can't wait till i get up to heaven hopefully with lou one day because

00:39:00.640 he told me i can't tell you how many things he'd say i'll tell you one day you know i'd ask him

00:39:06.360 about something top secret or whatever and he said i'll tell you about it one day and you know

00:39:11.280 that's the only thing i could be mad about him is he never got to tell me all those things he was

00:39:17.000 going to tell me

00:39:17.760 russ let's move on to to something you had sent me last week and i'm not going to read your whole email

00:39:29.240 out i'm just going to read up a quick part of it uh to let the audience know where we're going but

00:39:34.180 it's in regard to a um to an article out uh the conservative treehouse which does a very good job

00:39:40.720 a dangerous moment the targeting of tulsi gabbard and what you had said to me was well i've mentioned

00:39:46.540 many times that miss gabbard is not qualified in the intel field to do the job i mean she's a neophyte

00:39:51.040 of the dni without the backup of the people in the ic and its pitfalls uh she's proven to be all in

00:39:58.520 on working to protect president trump from the very ic vipers that backstabbed him in his last

00:40:06.520 stint so this article goes into and i recommend everyone go read it a dangerous moment the targeting

00:40:11.060 of tulsi gabbard uh it's from last month in the conservative treehouse but they go into this whole

00:40:16.160 thing russ and this is something you have said from very early on that tulsi may be faced with some

00:40:21.100 issues and you were hesitant to trust her but now it seems that you're all in on her

00:40:25.180 as a lot of people i know who know her are tell us what's going on with tulsi gabbard and uh the

00:40:31.560 deep state well you know she came out with a national intelligence estimate that basically said

00:40:38.160 um that the iranians didn't have the capable we're not um enriching uranium to the point of uh

00:40:47.320 you know making uh nuclear weapons now i know i know immediately when i heard that that was

00:40:53.420 incorrect now if she had the right people lieutenants underneath her they would have said

00:40:58.960 this is bullcrap tulsi and someone's feeding you a lot of you know they're blowing smoke up your

00:41:04.260 ears i like to use a euphemism there that um but she didn't know that and she and i think she was

00:41:11.200 being set up um now where did where who controls uh a national intelligence estimate normally it's an

00:41:18.820 all source thing sources come from sigin and and and my background and because i was part of many

00:41:25.560 nies where they would come to me and i put in my my my piece of the pie and then it would come from all

00:41:31.800 the different come you know different elements and it would get put together and you know on different

00:41:37.340 countries and different elements and different you know threats and that sort of thing so but the

00:41:42.900 people that put it all together and and packaged it up uh was the cia now when the uh director of

00:41:52.440 national intelligence was was first created there was a huge tiff between the cia director and the

00:41:58.940 new new ndi because the cia director is now being second put second fiddle right it's like okay you're

00:42:05.440 not you're not the big boss anymore it's now it's now the national director of intelligence well they

00:42:10.920 didn't like that at all huge huge uh little battles going on between there um it used to be the cia and

00:42:19.040 the fbi hate each other's guts i think that enmity is still there a little bit but then all of a sudden

00:42:24.440 after 9-11 there was a kumbaya nsa cia a dia fbi they all got together and they said let's work

00:42:32.980 together and be part of the peace uh the the the deep state and make sure that we can blackmail

00:42:38.600 everybody in congress so that we can get every dime we want and then some

00:42:42.580 and you know we've talked about that because i know nsa was blackmailing all these people after

00:42:47.920 after targeting all their comms the congress the supreme court a whole you know the press a whole bunch

00:42:54.580 of people so and to this day i don't i don't think they've ever seriously looked at the intel budget

00:43:01.020 they just pass it by or say how much more would you like so um but i think i i do not trust ratcliffe

00:43:08.040 i think he's a he's a deep state neoconner and i would not trust him as far as i could throw him

00:43:15.400 and i think right now i think he was involved in setting up uh tulsi gabbard with that nie and she was

00:43:22.780 too inexperienced to understand that they were setting her up to to slice her throat so that's my

00:43:29.440 opinion maybe i'm wrong but that's and the way i understand the background and all those little

00:43:35.100 infighting things now because of that because the the deep state and the neocons are after tulsi

00:43:42.900 i immediately say we need tulsi you know even she's not the most experienced gal out there in the intel

00:43:49.180 field uh to me if they're after her uh you know i'm going to put her on a pedestal and um and and we

00:43:56.960 need her but she just needs to have the right people so that that she can't be set up like that in the

00:44:03.040 future yeah i think you're absolutely right and i know a lot of people know tulsi i've met her once

00:44:08.340 or twice before when she was a congresswoman before she was uh in this role but yeah i guess that could

00:44:15.360 be the the back i she's essentially john ratcliffe's boss no that's correct so maybe he wants that job

00:44:22.480 i don't think he likes it what the cia job i don't think he likes the fact that he's second federal

00:44:28.900 to tulsi now remember he used to be if i recall he's the chairman of the house intel committee

00:44:33.960 um uh a few years back i'm pretty sure that was his wasn't wasn't he intel and he was also

00:44:41.960 yunes was as well he was also the dni briefly yes um uh under under president trump but um and before

00:44:51.820 that ambassador somewhere or another something like that but um you know he's he's he's i think he's

00:44:57.560 entrenched with the deep the deep state in the neocons and and the cabal of the intelligence

00:45:03.580 community i wouldn't trust ratcliffe as far as i could throw him so how do you think this plays out

00:45:08.920 for tulsi do you think uh she pushes through and she's able to to fight and weather the storm she's

00:45:15.860 she's got something uh i was reading about uh earlier this morning it's a new i guess it's to prevent

00:45:22.580 leaks uh i'll just read the article from the independent a team created by director of national

00:45:27.660 intelligence tulsi gabbard has sought mass amounts of internal emails and chat logs from top

00:45:32.720 u.s spy agencies in effort to use ai tools for screen for government employees opposing the trump

00:45:40.020 administration agenda that's how the independent writes it for me i read that as this is tulsi gabbard

00:45:46.260 trying to get a hold of the leakers that's smart move and it probably is so whoever's doing that is

00:45:53.120 you know so i'm not that's something i would do too as i go back and i look at all the government

00:45:58.660 communications now you can't look at someone's private communications unless you have probable

00:46:02.200 cause of course nsa doesn't matter nsa collects every every bit of communications on everybody anyhow

00:46:07.980 and uh you know i i hear all this stuff oh you know if we only knew what what uh obama and uh hillary

00:46:15.680 were doing talking about doing uh benghazi well nsa has that you know they got it um so the nsa can

00:46:23.120 blackmail anybody they want for you know that in that case but is it that easy is it that easy to

00:46:28.260 get a hold of somebody's phone line oh yeah well if you're collecting everything the main thing is to

00:46:33.400 set up the uh uh you know the file folder to be able to you know the database to be able to ping into

00:46:39.160 into wherever so say i say i work at the nsa right now russ and you're sitting next to me

00:46:44.020 and i think my girlfriend's cheating on me i don't have a girlfriend but i think she's cheating

00:46:48.440 on me uh i give you her phone number how fast can we get a hold of her her phone well the way it

00:46:55.880 worked before is you first you look for the metadata and that that is like when you used to go to the

00:47:01.700 library you had the file folders remember that yes and that and you look up the cat of the catalog

00:47:06.900 where you find the data then you got to go to the shelf where where the book is to find the book

00:47:12.500 well the catalog is the is the metadata and nsa has been collecting that since all of it since about

00:47:19.580 2004 2005 in 2013 they once that facility there in uh in bluffdale utah was built that that is all the

00:47:28.380 cabinets where the books are and that's the word for word everything so they go in they find the

00:47:33.960 metadata your phone number's there then they attach it to a name because they have access

00:47:38.040 to all the different phone companies and then they go to their to it's not like they'll say well

00:47:44.320 we don't uh we don't listen to everybody's communications well no they don't because it

00:47:49.960 would be impossible to do that but if you have them the the uh the the mechanics and the automation

00:47:57.500 to collect everything and store it then you can go back in time and pin out john faucet okay do i have

00:48:05.520 a period of time we want to find out what he said or do a word search and filter it with words to see

00:48:10.860 what you're saying and then and then start looking at you for at that point you know what you said 10

00:48:16.340 years ago so they have every phone call recorded is what you're saying yeah they got everything

00:48:21.360 yes even even little even i like these little jenny is talking to joanie about in their middle

00:48:31.620 school about how cute johnny is right you know who cares about that right no one does even that

00:48:36.260 so and and they've lied repeatedly they've lied you know what was the i want to say to all these

00:48:44.340 congressmen that you talked to i was like when was the last time you asked these people and for men to

00:48:49.660 say the same question you asked clapper that he lied about and said is nsa collecting in any manner

00:48:55.560 and or storing communications domestically and or domestic going international or back again

00:49:01.380 of american citizens without probable cause and remember clapper oh he's bald head he starts oh he

00:49:08.600 can see the sweat coming down he's uh yeah uh no of course not we don't do that though we'd have to

00:49:15.380 have uh you know reasonable you know suspension blah blah is lying through his teeth alexander

00:49:21.360 lied through his teeth director director hayden my gosh he started this all he was he was the

00:49:26.880 he would sell his soul for another star on his shoulder and he did um they're lying please congress

00:49:36.380 ask them the question again and and then when they and then do the proper investigation have the right

00:49:42.880 people look at it and then throw them in jail for lying and for violating the law which it's still

00:49:48.760 back then it was i think it was a five thousand dollar fine and five years in prison for one single

00:49:57.080 case when you're doing it um you know a billion at a time or something oh that's a whole lot of yields

00:50:03.200 in the clink yeah so but of course everyone is afraid i think congress is afraid to ask these

00:50:11.100 questions because they're being blackmailed or they know they can be blackmailed because i think half

00:50:15.900 of them are cheating on their spouses or they have they have improper you know sweetheart land deals

00:50:20.460 or they're doing inside trading that they shouldn't be doing or just who knows little you know stinky

00:50:25.840 little deals that a lot of these congressmen are into so when i was there a month ago i saw ran into

00:50:32.220 congressman um andy barr from kentucky he sits on house financial services uh and foreign affairs and i said

00:50:39.100 to him i said hey you know i gotta ask you a quick question of course you know i'm gonna rush i'm in

00:50:43.420 a rush i said what's the deal with the congressional slush fund for sexual harassment and stuff like

00:50:48.260 that and he goes well i have no idea i don't know anything about that bullshit you don't know anything

00:50:52.200 about that it's what every member of congress uses when they get sued for sexual harassment and they

00:50:57.580 make it go bye-bye i don't know what the number is but it's a lot of money spent on it

00:51:01.760 and you'll never know about it because it gets put into that budget and uh they hide it here and

00:51:08.940 they hide it there they pull from there and they pull from here it's because they know many of them

00:51:13.200 are doing their slime balls so yeah most of them are slime balls russ as always uh we go over time

00:51:20.780 but i think the audience appreciates it you get the last word here until next time

00:51:25.980 oh gee the last word what was the main emphasis i like to remember the main emphasis here

00:51:31.680 you know the the deep state is still out there um and kicking kicking back um and i'm certainly

00:51:40.700 hoping president trump is is not you know being a little complicit with some of this information

00:51:47.740 thinking that maybe he can use it for his own advantage because ultimately that if he's if he tries

00:51:53.460 to wrangle that snake the snake will bite him again so uh and and it looks like we have some

00:52:01.440 deep staters that are that are starting to wrap their tangled webs or i mean they're they're um

00:52:07.100 you know they're up president trump's leg again and and we need people that are willing to to be in

00:52:15.120 the right spots to spot the the vipers so that uh president trump doesn't fall in the same trap he did

00:52:21.840 when he doing his first term doing trump uh 2.1 or 1.2 or whatever it is 1.1 no you're absolutely

00:52:29.820 right and uh hopefully it doesn't turn into that because he's on such a great mission right now he's

00:52:34.740 got so much going for him in this administration in this country it would be a damn shame to have

00:52:38.920 it overthrown by the deep staters once again russ tice as always it's great talking to you we'll talk

00:52:45.280 to you soon my friend my pleasure folks thanks to russ tice and thank you all for being with us today

00:52:49.940 here on the great america show we hope we'll see you back here tomorrow for the great america show

00:52:53.360 where our quest for truth justice and the american way continues i'll meet you back here same time

00:52:58.420 same place tomorrow until then may god bless you may god bless america and may god bless the great

00:53:03.520 blue dobs have a great night everybody

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