The Great America Show - June 23, 2024


The Great America Sunday Show： June 23rd, 2024


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Bill Barr was the first attorney general of the United States and served as attorney general for both the Reagan administration and the Bush administration. He was also the first US attorney general to become a contractor for the National Security Agency and the CIA. And he was one of the first to fight for congressional oversight of the agency.

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00:00:33.680 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:36.760 Great to have you with us.
00:00:38.300 Our guest today is the brilliant cybersecurity expert Mike Benz.
00:00:42.700 He's the executive director for the Foundation for Freedom Online.
00:00:46.720 And the last time Mike and I were talking, we ran a little bit out of time.
00:00:52.120 We had some unfinished business to get to regarding Bill Barr, the NSA, the CIA, and much more.
00:00:59.060 Here we go.
00:01:00.440 And now I'm pleased to say with us is Mike Benz.
00:01:03.520 And as I have often said, no one comes in close second to him when it comes to his knowledge of the intelligence community, cyber, and the machinations of the various interested parties that make up the federal government.
00:01:22.720 Mike, it's great to have you back with us, and thank you for your time as always.
00:01:26.420 I want to start with where we were the last time we were speaking.
00:01:30.120 We were talking about a fellow by the name of Bill Barr who started his career, you were saying, as a mop-up man for the CIA.
00:01:42.320 And as you noted, he ended his career in much the same way.
00:01:48.620 I'd like to go back to that point where he's mopping up and the foundation for all that followed in his career.
00:01:56.780 So if you will, take us back to the early 70s.
00:02:02.260 The Church Committee is raging.
00:02:05.380 The Ellsberg Papers, the Pentagon Papers are on everyone's minds and fears are in their hearts because of what we learned.
00:02:18.140 Bring us up to that point.
00:02:20.780 So Bill Barr was the attorney general twice now in our nation's history, the most recent time for the Trump administration, and then also under former CIA director, turned vice president, turned president George Bush from 1991 until the turnover to the Clinton administration in 1993.
00:02:42.620 And how he rose to the position of attorney general, not once but twice, was a career through the CIA.
00:02:51.540 So in the early 1970s, Bill Barr was a CIA analyst who then was vaulted into a role of CIA liaison to Congress during the Church Committee hearings.
00:03:03.960 When the CIA was under the gun of Congress, both the Church Committee and Pike Committee, there were simultaneous House and Senate hearings that that effectively established the first congressional oversight of the CIA.
00:03:19.060 The CIA was created in 1947.
00:03:21.260 It had no formal congressional oversight until the Church Committee hearings in 1975.
00:03:26.360 That's what established what is now our Senate Select Committee on Intelligence and our House Intelligence Committee.
00:03:32.040 And those hearings were absolutely devastating to the CIA's reputation.
00:03:36.640 Folks may recall Frank Church, the senator, holding up the heart attack gun, for example, which was unveiled, used as an assassination weapon by the agency to kill people.
00:03:47.720 But instead of it looking like a murder, it would look like a heart attack because of the unique method of death that the that the dart from the gun would cause.
00:03:57.280 The CIA was also busted assassinating world leaders like Lumumba and Congo and Allende and Chile and was essentially a whole coterie of things from regime change operations to control over the media, both internationally and even domestically at home, as well as CIA activities to manipulate student groups.
00:04:19.280 And in order to manipulate them from a anti-war posture into a pro-war posture, all of this came to the fore in the Church Committee hearings in 1975.
00:04:29.900 And Frank Church was seeking these sensitive documents about CIA secrets.
00:04:35.780 And Bill Barr was credited as the man inside the CIA who successfully blocked much of that.
00:04:41.840 A lot of people to this day who are concerned about intelligence committee oversight talk about the Church Committee as being something of a whitewash.
00:04:48.640 Because most of the sensitive documents Congress was seeking were blocked.
00:04:52.900 And they were blocked by none other than Bill Barr, who then would reprise his role as a janitor sweeping up CIA secrets, blocking them from American public access or knowledge or oversight from Congress in the Iran-Contra scandal of the early 1980s.
00:05:09.180 This was when the Congress had passed a bill prohibiting US taxpayer money flowing to the Nicaraguan Contras, who the Bush administration was trying to orchestrate a coup to turn over their democratically elected government.
00:05:25.020 But the CIA and the National Security Council went behind Congress's back and essentially engaged in a combination of drug smuggling, paramilitary arms running, money laundering.
00:05:36.720 And it all came crashing down when one of the CIA pilots was shot down over Nicaragua and his basically CIA badge was found on his person.
00:05:48.720 This popped open the Iran-Contra scandal.
00:05:51.880 And it was Bill Barr once again who in the early 1980s then fended off Congress from any sort of thorough investigation of the CIA's role in it.
00:06:01.440 And then basically they threw the hammer at the National Security Council's Poindexter and others who were then pardoned and they got away with it.
00:06:10.100 So they got away with it in the 70s.
00:06:11.720 They got it thanks to Bill Barr.
00:06:12.980 They got away with it in the 80s thanks to Bill Barr.
00:06:15.420 And Bill Barr's reward for being such a good janitor, sweeping it up for the intelligence community's crimes, was that he was made head of the criminal justice system of the United States for George Bush,
00:06:26.920 who was the CIA director himself in 1976 before ultimately becoming president.
00:06:32.640 And then, of course, it was those same CIA scandals that came back to haunt the Trump administration when the CIA on January 6th, 2017,
00:06:42.220 first wrote the memo that declared the 2016 election to be functionally invalid because Russia had meddled in our elections on social media.
00:06:51.140 This CIA memo in January 2017 ultimately produced the censorship industry architecture that we now live under because the idea that the Russians had interfered in our election on social media,
00:07:04.100 thanks to the CIA's essentially, you know, rubber stamping that is the official story, allowed the CIA and the FBI and DHS and other military and intelligence folks to saturate and descend on the social media companies like a swarm of vultures.
00:07:21.440 And they very quickly transitioned from stopping Russian disinformation to stopping domestic mis and disinformation,
00:07:28.780 i.e. anything true that the military or intelligence state does not want you to believe.
00:07:34.100 You know, it's incredible when you look at it over that canvas of time.
00:07:39.400 George H.W. Bush, director of the CIA.
00:07:45.460 Bill Barr, I mean, his career is basically based on the foundation.
00:07:55.660 All of his achievements are basically about protecting the agency that he obviously dearly loved
00:08:02.800 and which reciprocated by protecting him throughout.
00:08:08.920 As you say, the idea that George H.W. Bush, Bill Barr have these careers that are intertwined.
00:08:19.260 They are, it's certainly, it's symbiotic with any other definition would work,
00:08:27.040 but symbiotic seems to work best to think that we, you know,
00:08:33.620 the American people really didn't know what was going on because the national mainstream media wasn't speaking.
00:08:39.880 Because much of the mainstream media in those days was made up of CIA, FBI, acolytes,
00:08:48.640 all worshiping at the altar of national security and whatever that meant was just fine with them.
00:08:55.660 It is to me remarkable that Bill Barr has to this day gotten away with that job, as you call it, and it's apt.
00:09:09.960 The janitor for the CIA in particular, he didn't do a bad job at the Department of Justice either, did he?
00:09:16.400 No, of course. I mean, the whole, you know, think about the Hunter Biden case that's going on right now.
00:09:25.660 The, there were a, there were 170 other crimes that Hunter Biden can be and could have been charged for,
00:09:32.660 but most of them, the statute of limitations were let lapse,
00:09:35.840 even though the FBI had the laptop while the statute of limitations was in play,
00:09:40.360 i.e. Bill Barr had the laptop, had the knowledge of the crimes.
00:09:45.920 They were actually monitoring, you know, the whole time.
00:09:48.940 This is how we know about Hunter Biden setting up his father, Joe Biden, with the meeting with,
00:09:53.580 with Xi and others in China.
00:09:56.160 And Bill Barr covered up the Hunter Biden situation.
00:10:00.060 And this is, you know, as I've said before,
00:10:02.380 it's my very strong opinion that Hunter Biden is protected because he was advancing a CIA operation in Ukraine,
00:10:09.700 i.e. a State Department objective delegated to the CIA to get done in a covert and plausibly deniable way.
00:10:18.180 But going back to the timeline that you laid out, it's really been something like 40 years
00:10:23.080 since the American people have even really had a choice between a presidential contest with somebody
00:10:30.160 who's not connected to the U.S. foreign policy establishment or the CIA.
00:10:34.880 And again, I actually see the CIA as sort of a small player in this,
00:10:38.020 because what we are really dealing with here is the Pentagon and the State Department who who are they don't have a license to lie.
00:10:46.300 They have to report to Congress.
00:10:49.180 The CIA is the black box.
00:10:50.820 They have the the doctrine of plausible deniability to cloak them.
00:10:54.520 So when the State Department or the DOD wants to get a dirty job done, what they do is they then task the CIA with doing it,
00:11:03.800 but then tell the CIA, don't tell us how you're going to get it done.
00:11:07.740 Just get it done.
00:11:08.580 And essentially compartmentalize the operations so that any manner of dirty deeds can be achieved.
00:11:16.940 And Congress can't know about it.
00:11:19.540 The president can't know about it effectively.
00:11:21.520 The American people can't know about it because the CIA is effectively tasked with not informing the State Department of of the of the specific means that they use to get that done,
00:11:33.620 i.e. the the sort of parameters of the operation are tasked with the CIA and then these dirty deeds using money laundering or narco trafficking or paramilitary support are effectively left to the CIA's means.
00:11:48.260 But what you're really dealing with here is a CIA is kind of a corrupt branch of a very rotted, corrupted tree.
00:11:57.400 And it's those it's those deep roots within the National Security Council, within the State Department, the DOD that we're talking about.
00:12:03.940 But it is interesting that if you just look at the the scope of the past 40 years of who you've had a choice to choose from between in the pre-Trump era.
00:12:14.320 Barack Obama has a very interesting history, for example, with the with the intelligence community.
00:12:19.540 His mother was working with USAID in Indonesia.
00:12:24.940 USAID was is sort of the classic CIA front.
00:12:28.760 It was set up in 1961 to coordinate the aid that the CIA, the State Department and DOD were all giving for their for their own operations.
00:12:38.220 Mike, let me interrupt just for a second, because that is too good of a tease for what we're about to talk about.
00:12:46.340 We're talking with Mike Benz, and as you can tell, knowledgeable and fascinating fellow with a lot of insight into to intelligence, the military industrial, military industrial complex.
00:13:07.400 And so we're just going to wait just for a moment, tease you just a little bit, but much more to come.
00:13:13.820 Stay with us.
00:13:14.340 We'll be right back with Mike Benz.
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00:14:52.700 We're back.
00:14:53.640 We're talking with Mike Benz.
00:14:55.180 And Mike, you were saying about, let me tease this out a bit for our audience.
00:15:00.700 You were saying about President Obama's mother, her relationship to the intelligence community and dark forces that work around the globe.
00:15:13.640 It's a fascinating story, sort of the origins of Barack Obama and his political career.
00:15:19.200 A lot of folks know that he sort of comes from that Chicagoland.
00:15:22.580 And Penny Pritzker was a big backer of his career.
00:15:26.940 The Pritzkers are sort of all over the intelligence world and commerce and politics.
00:15:33.740 And J.B. Pritzker is currently the governor of Illinois.
00:15:37.480 But before that, his origin story itself is quite interesting.
00:15:42.360 Before his time at Harvard and Harvard Law.
00:15:45.160 So, you know, his mother, Ann Dunham.
00:15:47.880 I'll just read a few things just you can find in a simple Google search if you just put in Obama's mother, USAID.
00:15:56.100 Now, USAID, she was formerly his mother worked for USAID.
00:16:00.000 Now, USAID is the classic CIA financial front.
00:16:04.420 It was set up in 1961 in order to coordinate all of the logistical, financial and support aid that the CIA, the Pentagon and the State Department were all running to their different proxies in different countries.
00:16:17.220 So they were stepping over each other.
00:16:18.940 That is, we wanted to, you know, the CIA wanted to run arms to a CIA backed paramilitary in one place.
00:16:26.100 The military wanted to run food to a to a military group.
00:16:30.660 They were backing on one side of a war.
00:16:32.460 The State Department wanted to run resources to a group that was getting State Department grants.
00:16:37.400 And all this aid was tripping over itself.
00:16:39.520 And so they centralized it all in the form of USAID and USAID is not a charity.
00:16:45.960 OK, it's an it's a soft power projection mechanism.
00:16:49.080 That is, anytime USAID gives out money, it has to be to advance a U.S. foreign policy goal, which is the same mandate the CIA has, just as the State Department does.
00:16:59.700 And so so Obama's mother, Ann Dunham, worked for USAID in the 1960s.
00:17:05.440 This is right ahead of of the of the Church Committee hearings in the in the in the 60s and 70s.
00:17:12.820 She was working specifically for a long time on Indonesia, exactly when the CIA was conducting a regime change operation in Indonesia.
00:17:21.420 She also worked as a consultant for the Ford Foundation, which was busted at that time while she was working at the Ford Foundation.
00:17:30.040 The Ford Foundation later came up as one of the marquee foundations that the CIA was using as a pass through for CIA money laundering operations.
00:17:38.960 You can watch a 1967 CBS special called In the Pay of the CIA, which goes through the Ford Foundation's role as a CIA conduit at the exact time his mother was working there.
00:17:51.080 Also, we worked at the Asia Foundation, which was later unveiled as a CIA front, also for Development Alternatives, Inc., which was a company that specialized in providing cover for CIA employees.
00:18:02.760 Also at the East West Center of Hawaii, which has is also been dogged by the same allegations as the Asia Foundation.
00:18:10.800 This is essentially for work that we were doing in the Philippines and in Southeast Asia.
00:18:18.860 And so you have this this history where the mother is working for a CIA front, is a consultant for four four entities, all either discovered to be or alleged to be CIA fronts.
00:18:32.060 And then he's catapulted into into Harvard, despite us not knowing his academic record and apparently being on drugs for a fair amount of the time.
00:18:43.060 And then he's immediately picked up by the Saul Linsky Network in Chicago.
00:18:47.740 And then from there, he's immediately vaulted into political power by the Pritzkers, who have three or four generations of work with the with the intelligence community, the mafia and money laundering rings around hotels and casinos.
00:19:03.380 And so, you know, he's it's this nexus between the mob, the military, commerce and justice, which is a story that we see seen a thousand times in American politics.
00:19:16.280 It's the same story, essentially, essentially with with Bill Barr, as we discussed.
00:19:20.480 But, you know, this this situation where you have people working their way through CIA families or CIA sort of legacy family connections or CIA incubators before they make their way to the presidency is something we've now been dealing with this and dealing with in this country for about 40 years.
00:19:38.840 So we started by talking about Bill Barr and, you know, the Reagan administration in the in the 1980s.
00:19:46.520 Well, you know, George H.W. Bush, who was vice president, then became president.
00:19:51.140 And I mentioned that Bill Barr was the cover up artist for for Iran-Contra.
00:19:55.160 He was the one who defended the CIA against Congress and Congress's request for documents about the Iran-Contra scandal where the CIA was running, was taking drugs from Colombia,
00:20:06.820 flying it to MENA, Arkansas, converting it to cash, buying guns and sending those guns back to the CIA backed paramilitary contra group.
00:20:16.420 Well, who was the governor of Arkansas at the time when the CIA was running this operation?
00:20:21.420 Anyone in anyone in the audience?
00:20:23.080 Can you think about someone who started their career as they were they were Georgetown, Rhodes Scholar, Northeast royalty,
00:20:33.940 could have done anything, could have done anything, but instead go goes back to the middle of Arkansas for their career and becomes state attorney general and then governor of the state of Arkansas?
00:20:44.940 Who was Mr. Arkansas at the time when the CIA was running the Iran-Contra operation?
00:20:52.000 It was Bill Clinton.
00:20:53.680 So Bill Clinton then goes on to be president, basically the guy who was assisting the CIA operation that Bill Barr was protecting.
00:21:01.840 So it goes from Bill Clinton then down then to George George Bush, you know, George George W. Bush, who, of course, was the governor of Texas,
00:21:11.000 but also the son of the former CIA director and president George H. W. Bush.
00:21:16.040 Who does George Bush run against for president in 2004?
00:21:19.600 John Kerry.
00:21:20.500 Well, how did John Kerry get started in his career?
00:21:22.620 Well, when he was a senator, he was the one who wrote the report, the whitewash report on the CIA's role in Iran-Contra.
00:21:29.920 You can look up something called the John Kerry report, called the Kerry report.
00:21:33.940 He was supposed to be the one to get to the bottom of CIA malfeasance in Iran-Contra,
00:21:39.320 the operation that Bill Clinton was hosting in Arkansas and that the Republican CIA was carrying out to get around Congress under George Bush that Bill Barr covered up.
00:21:51.000 So it was CIA versus CIA essentially.
00:21:54.720 And, of course, John Kerry would go on to be the secretary of state after Hillary Clinton in 2014 when Hillary Clinton was making her run for the presidential election contest in 2016.
00:22:07.980 Now, of course, the State Department is the big daddy over the CIA.
00:22:12.340 As I said, the CIA is sort of the black box that the State Department gives the dirty deeds to.
00:22:18.560 That way, the State Department objective can get done.
00:22:21.300 But Congress and the president don't get to know how it was done.
00:22:25.560 They don't end any investigation to how it gets done, gets covered up because the CIA then intermediates with the Justice Department to protect the criminal the criminal elements of the operation.
00:22:34.600 So then you have the 2008 presidential contest where it was Barack Obama versus John McCain.
00:22:41.180 Well, where did John McCain come from?
00:22:43.280 How did he get his rise to power?
00:22:45.220 Well, in 1983, as Bill Barr was doing his mop up work for the CIA, the CIA had just endured this brutal public beatdown from the Democrats because of all their domestic meddling in elections and domestic meddling in politics in the 60s and 70s.
00:23:01.060 And so Jimmy Carter effectively neutered a large portion of CIA operations.
00:23:06.260 He did something that was called the Halloween massacre, where he he laid off 30 percent of the operations division of the CIA in a single night.
00:23:13.580 So the CIA hated Jimmy Carter and they hated the Democrats at the time who were putting caps on CIA activity.
00:23:19.820 So what the CIA director that in 1983, William Colby, did, William Colby would then die of a mysterious boating accident near his own home that is still unsolved to this day.
00:23:32.740 But the CIA director, William Colby, then wrote a letter to the attorney general of the United States.
00:23:38.220 So the CIA wrote a letter to the Justice Department calling for the establishment of a brand new tool called the National Endowment for Democracy.
00:23:46.300 And the reason that the CIA wanted to set up a national endowment for democracy was so that when the CIA operations were discovered in the country, it would not be traceable to the CIA.
00:23:57.140 There would be a nonprofit promoting democracy that would be the CIA intermediary.
00:24:03.220 But it wouldn't look like the CIA was doing it would look like an NGO was doing it.
00:24:07.500 OK, that's literally the the almost that's the almost verbatim language I can.
00:24:12.560 If you just look up William Colby's letter on the National Endowment for Democracy, this is what was created.
00:24:18.080 And the National Endowment for Democracy was given two initial branches.
00:24:22.080 One of them was called the IRI, the International Republican Institute.
00:24:25.400 That was for Republican CIA oversight officials and Republican CIA stakeholders.
00:24:32.080 And the other one was called the NDI, the National Democratic Institute, which was for Democrat CIA folks and Democrat CIA oversight folks and Democrat CIA stakeholders who founded the IRI, the International Republican Institute, the RNC branch of the CIA, John McCain.
00:24:50.160 And John McCain served as the head of the IRI, the head of the CIA branch of the GOP for 25 years until his run for for president against Barack Obama.
00:25:02.820 John McCain was in charge of the CIA side of the GOP.
00:25:06.100 You know, who's on the board of the IRI, Mitt Romney, the guy who would then represent the Republicans in the 2012 presidential contest.
00:25:14.820 And this gets us to today.
00:25:16.060 And I'll just conclude by saying and who was on the chairman's advisory board of the NDI, the DNC CIA branch, Hunter Biden.
00:25:23.780 Hunter Biden.
00:25:25.180 Oh, my gosh.
00:25:26.460 We're coming right back with Mike Benz.
00:25:28.960 And it only gets better from here, folks.
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00:26:00.660 We're back with Mike Benz, and he has taken us down the rabbit hole.
00:26:09.960 This is the big-time rabbit hole.
00:26:12.380 We're talking about the influence of the CIA, the intelligence community, aligned with both political parties.
00:26:20.280 And when last we were speaking, a minute or so ago, you said, who is the head of the Democratic arm, Hunter Biden?
00:26:33.820 Did I hear you correctly?
00:26:35.840 Well, he was on the chairman's advisory committee of the NDI.
00:26:38.680 And as I mentioned, NDI was set up by the CIA director in 1983, William Colby, who wrote the letter to the head of the Justice Department about the need to establish the National Endowment for Democracy, which NDI is the DNC branch of.
00:26:54.160 And then President Ronald Reagan passed that bill establishing the National Endowment for Democracy, which gets virtually all of its funding from the U.S. taxpayers.
00:27:06.520 It is technically an independent, non-governmental organization, but its money all comes from U.S. taxpayers.
00:27:13.020 And it has to report to Congress, unlike almost all NGOs.
00:27:17.820 It is sort of like U.S. aid, but dirtier.
00:27:23.000 And U.S. aid is allowed to – is formally a public agency.
00:27:27.580 Oftentimes, the way things are structured is the State Department has a foreign policy goal said to be in U.S. national interest.
00:27:34.740 It will then get U.S. aid to provide the – it will task essentially the CIA on providing covert or plausibly deniable support for that U.S. foreign policy goal.
00:27:46.660 And the State Department on the overt side and the CIA on the covert side will then work with U.S. aid and the National Endowment for Democracy in order to do the logistics, in order to get the media on board the operation, in order to get the unions on board the operation, in order to get the politicians in the region on board the operation, in order to get the banks and the private sector co-partners.
00:28:08.680 And so, Hunter Biden, you don't get on the chairman's advisory board of the CIA's most prolific cutout, of the tens of thousands of CIA cutouts around the world.
00:28:21.300 The National Endowment for Democracy is, bar none, the big daddy of them all.
00:28:26.540 You don't get to be on the chairman's advisory board of the NDI unless you are vetted by intelligence.
00:28:32.580 Now, of course, Hunter Biden's whole world was running through intelligence at that point.
00:28:36.720 He was doing business.
00:28:38.740 He has one of his clients was the head of Chinese intelligence as he was selling selling them LNG ports, American LNG ports in Louisiana.
00:28:47.880 And as his whole operation in Ukraine was running through several other State Department or CIA intermediated activities, the whole metabiota situation where what you're dealing with here are essentially, you know, essentially it's a biosecurity map.
00:29:06.720 That's going to have military and intelligence vetting.
00:29:09.580 And then, of course, you have Burisma.
00:29:11.980 And I think as we've covered before, the State Department had an in-process operation called energy diversification or energy security or energy diplomacy.
00:29:21.020 It goes by different names, which is a project to pry Russian gas off of Russia and replace it with a combination of Houston LNG and endogenous gas supply mined from shale in the Donbass and in the in the Black Sea Crimea region.
00:29:40.000 It was Burisma who held the mining rights to those.
00:29:44.160 And that is why, by the way, John Solomon did a great – this is one thing here.
00:29:48.820 John Solomon broke an incredible story about a week ago, which was a 53-page memo that Hunter Biden's law firm pitched for – in order to get out of the state prosecution by Victor Shokin, the same prosecutor who Joe Biden bragged to the Council on Foreign Relations, that he bribed for a billion dollars to get the Ukrainian state to remove.
00:30:10.960 And as that – before Joe Biden stepped in, Hunter Biden's law firm wrote a memo where they strategized in the memo that they would submit a pitch to the State Department that Burisma's continued operations and their business license and their protection against the Ukrainian prosecutor was vital to U.S. national interests.
00:30:32.200 Now, that is a catchphrase.
00:30:35.200 That is a watchword vital to U.S. national interests means it's a State Department operation now, and that means it's a CIA operations now because, again, the CIA is just the support arm for the State Department.
00:30:48.240 In a lot of ways, the CIA is not actually a rogue agency.
00:30:51.460 It is rogue, but it's the rogue arm of a rogue brain inside state.
00:30:56.940 So if State Department agreed with that pitch, and this is something the House Foreign Affairs Committee can get on top of right now if they want to hold a hearing and investigation into just get all State Department and CIA documents using that keyword Burisma, and you can break this whole thing out in the open right now if there's the political will to do it.
00:31:17.560 If the State Department accepted that pitch from Hunter Biden's law firm that Burisma was indeed vital to U.S. national interests because of its role in propping up Ukraine's gas market and prying Russia out, then that would have given a green light to the Central Intelligence Agency to rig the internal politics of Ukraine to make that happen.
00:31:37.500 And while Hunter Biden, while Hunter Biden, from the CIA cutout, National Endowment for Democracy was on Burisma's board, and while right next to him on the board of Burisma was Kofor Black, who spent 30 years in the Directorate of Operations of the CIA and even won a CIA medal for doing it.
00:31:54.360 And close to, without any question, Senator Mitt Romney.
00:32:00.020 And we can spin back into the Clintons.
00:32:02.900 We can go back through the travails in Arkansas.
00:32:08.260 This is a web spun wide and secure.
00:32:14.060 And we appreciate, Mike, you introducing us to these new realities.
00:32:21.220 For us, they're new.
00:32:22.640 For most of America, I would guess, there's not even been a conspiracy theory around much of this.
00:32:29.420 We know, by the way, that there were conspiracy theories about the Clintons in Arkansas.
00:32:35.020 And, you know, like so many conspiracy theories today, all of them have proved true.
00:32:42.120 Well, if you don't want conspiracy theories, how about we get rid of conspiracy agencies?
00:32:46.620 How about we get rid of the plausible deniability doctrine?
00:32:49.460 Then you don't need to worry about this anymore.
00:32:51.220 And let me just say one last thing, which is that I applaud Jim Jordan for finally taking this issue up.
00:32:57.400 The last thing that we were talking about just now with Hunter Biden and his role on the CIA cutout and NED, it's important to keep in mind that the CIA publicly, we know this publicly from Jim Jordan's weaponization subcommittee, that the CIA waived the Justice Department off of interviewing the man who paid Hunter Biden's taxes.
00:33:20.320 That is, the guy, you know, he was five years or whatever delinquent on his taxes.
00:33:25.200 And yes, exactly.
00:33:27.540 He was waived off.
00:33:29.580 I don't know if any of your friends have ever paid your taxes before, but this would be classic money laundering protection if this was the case.
00:33:37.160 But Jim Jordan has finally sent a letter to to the CIA demanding a briefing on why they waived the Justice Department off of Hunter Biden's sugar daddy.
00:33:46.640 And I hope he's listening to this broadcast or that it can be forwarded to him because all he needs to do is walk right next door to the House Foreign Affairs Committee or the House Intelligence Committee and get all CIA records on Burisma and NAFTA gas, the big gas giants there.
00:34:01.600 And all CIA analyst memos that make reference to Burisma or or NAFTA gas or the natural gas market there.
00:34:08.740 And that will give you the answer as to why Hunter Biden has been protected for so long.
00:34:13.340 Mike Vins, a fascinating, fascinating tale.
00:34:17.280 Well, we appreciate you being our guide through it all and what a thick thicket it is to get through.
00:34:25.440 I guess the headline might be that Donald Trump has so much trouble now because unlike all the other candidates who've been chosen by the CIA, President Trump was not.
00:34:39.640 And shame on him.
00:34:40.960 That was quite an omission.
00:34:42.880 We'll take up more of that in the days and weeks ahead.
00:34:46.340 Mike, we really appreciate your time on this.
00:34:49.380 And thank you for for being our Sherpa through all of this and introducing us to realities that we hardly knew existed.
00:34:58.500 So, again, Mike Vins, as always, our thanks.
00:35:01.980 We appreciate it.
00:35:02.700 God bless you.
00:35:03.540 Thank you, Lou.
00:35:04.040 Talk soon.
00:35:04.800 Thanks to Mike Vins.
00:35:05.960 Thank you, everybody, for being with us.
00:35:07.740 God bless you.
00:35:08.800 And may God bless America.
00:35:10.320 Thank you.