The Great America Sunday Show： October 26, 2025
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Just when you thought the January 6th sham couldn t get any worse, folks, it gets worse. Congressional investigators collected a stunning 30 million phone lines of phone data mapping connections between conservatives and the Trump White House in the name of investigating the "January 6th" breach.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to the Great America Show.
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It's great to have you with us on this beautiful day in America.
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Thank you so much for spending part of your day or evening with us.
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Just when you thought the January 6th sham couldn't get any worse, folks, it gets worse.
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Congressional investigators collected a stunning 30 million phone lines of phone data mapping
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connections between conservatives and the Trump White House in the name of investigating
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We're just finding out this week that the FBI, not under Cash Patel, of course, but the FBI
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under Christopher Wray was spying on 30 million phone lines, now 30 million phone line connections
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between people who are connected with Trump or people around Trump.
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I probably am connected in there somehow, some way.
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Now, the phone records, the collection was revealed to the FBI, that was read by Chris
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Ray, in late 2023 by none other than Adam Kinzinger.
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The catch was offered to the Bureau on the eve of the 2024 election as evidence without requiring
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a warrant, according to an FBI document memorializing the offer that was reviewed by Just the News.
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The memo says that Adam Kinzinger told the FBI that the phone data had been collected by
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then-former Democrat rep, Denver Ringelman, an ex-Republican, who was a staffer on the Capitol
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Hill riot committee, who later helped Hunter Biden's legal team in its effort to cast doubts
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on the laptop belonging to Joe Biden's son, the Russia collusion, the Russia laptop.
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So we're now finding out 30 million phone lines.
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In just a few moments, we're going to be talking to my good friend and friend of the Great
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America Show, Russ Tice, former senior NSA intel analyst, to get his take on this and his
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take on just how much deeper this corruption runs.
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Just how much deeper their surveillance state runs, just how much more abuse we're getting
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Now, this is in, of course, addition to the eight plus members of Congress and the Senate
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whose phone lines were surveilled under Jack Smith.
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It's this whole web of corruption, folks, that's finally starting to be untangled.
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Now, we found out that in addition to those eight, Ted Cruz's lines were also attempted
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A subpoena was served to AT&T, to which AT&T did not comply with the subpoena.
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We're working on getting some more information on that, but we're just finding out about that
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this week to figure out if that was ever litigated in court, because we've never heard about that
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So, the corruption, folks, only continues to get worse as we find out now that 30 million
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phone lines were entangled in the Marxist Dems and Rhinos' January 6th sham committee.
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So, like I said, we're going to take that up with former senior NSA intel analyst Russ Tice
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in just a few moments, but I want to get to some news of the day.
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President Trump this afternoon having a luncheon out on his new Rose Garden before the weather
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He won't be able to use it as freely as he'd like.
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By the way, that new expansion has happened on the White House, and it's got the Democrats
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Donald Trump is ripping down the White House 120 years old.
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God forbid he renovates the place and pays for it himself, as if the White House never went
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President Trump in that luncheon this afternoon calling on the Democrats to stop the madness,
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open up the government, and end this nonsense once and for all.
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Today, I'm calling on every Senate Democrat to stop the madness, to let our country get
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In the greatest moment in the history of our country, in terms of wealth, in terms of job
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creation, and in terms of investment coming in, these guys go on strike.
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Now, all of this in addition, folks, as President Trump's administration continues to make America
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greater than President Trump is set to shattered deportation records by the end of 2025.
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More than 2 million illegals already left the country so far.
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DHS is saying they expect another 600,000 to be deported before the end of the year,
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bringing it up just over 2.5 million on the year.
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I think they can do better and they will do better.
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But with what we've seen the last four years, any number of deportations, I'm being facetious,
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of course, is great because we've had plus numbers for the last four years of illegals coming into this country.
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Now, President Trump also at that luncheon this afternoon addressed a big issue, and it's air travel.
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For any of you folks who travel, I travel a lot more than I should be and more than I want to be.
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I can't tell you the last time I was on a flight into New York that wasn't delayed because of some sort of air traffic control flow program because of shortage of staffing.
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As a pilot, a commercial pilot myself, it scares the heck out of me to know that the Democrats and the government is playing games with one of the most critical things that we do in our daily lives, flying air travel, which is statistically safer than driving a car accident-wise.
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President Trump addressed that earlier this afternoon.
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We've already seen the impacts of the dangerous game that they're playing.
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Democrats are causing delays in our air traffic control system.
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We wouldn't have had, you know, this Pete Buttigieg.
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He spent billions of dollars on fixing the air traffic control.
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Any union electrician here or any non-union electrician would say you can't hook copper into glass.
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They turned on the system, and it was stone cold blank.
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I want just bid, and they're responsible for everything.
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Every contractor, they were all running around.
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In the end, if one of them does a bad job, we want to be able to blame somebody.
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And it's going to be one of the very big companies because there's a lot of interest in it.
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So the air traffic control system is going to be rebuilt.
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Over one million federal workers right now, as you know, are going unpaid.
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And children, tourists unable to visit the museums in Washington, D.C.
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that we now have beautiful, safe streets, but we don't have the museums open.
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But we are doing things that nobody's ever done, nobody's ever seen.
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So all of this and the pain that the Democrats have caused during this reckless and completely
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unnecessary affair, and you could call it the Schumer shutdown or the Democrat shutdown.
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The Democrats are playing games with the lives of every single American.
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It's it's the the fact of getting on an airplane and not having to worry about any issues happening
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in the air because of a depleted and obsolete air traffic control system.
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On the other side of this quick break, we're going to be joined by Russ Tice, former senior
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We're going to get his take on the latest 30 million phone lines surveilled.
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We're going to get his take on Tulsi Gabbard and the work she's doing and John Radcliffe
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Now, as promised, our guest today is former senior NSA intel analyst and whistleblower,
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Russ, it's been a while, so it's a delight to have you back.
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I want to start with first a big story out this week that January 6th investigators sees
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30 million phone lines and records to hunt Trump allies.
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Now, the story says now this is in addition, Russ, to the eight senators and members of
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Congress that we find out that Jack Smith were surveilling.
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But the story from The Daily Caller goes on to say congressional investigators collected tens
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of millions of phone records in an effort to map connections between conservatives and the Trump
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White House as part of the Democrat-led January 6th investigation, according to FBI memos obtained
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The memo states that the trove revealed the FBI by ex-former ex-congressman, they call him
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a Republican, but he's not really a Republican, Adam Kinzinger, contained roughly 30 million
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Kinzinger told the Bureau the records have been compiled by former GOP rep Denver Ringelman,
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senior advisor to the January 6th panel, who has since worked for Hunter Biden's legal team,
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So a lot of the same names there, Russ, but 30 million lines of communication with no warrant?
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And this was, this was, the timeline is very interesting here.
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When was that information originally obtained and from who?
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Was it obtained from the phone companies themselves?
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Which I think under the revamped Patriot Act, they allowed phone companies to start keeping
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them for, I think, either six months to a year.
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Remember, the metadata is just the, the information of, well, when the call was made, what phone
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number, to who, from one, to, to, to what number, how long, and, and all that originally
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So that the phone company knows how much to charge the people that are using the phones.
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So that information is the metadata that the names of the people on the phone numbers are
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not, are not supposed to be collected by the, the database.
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But of course, the phone company has that information because they got to know who to send the bill
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to, of course, but there's a, when, when we would do this at the NSA, this sort of thing,
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You might get 30 million contacts for an area or something that you're looking for.
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Um, then you take all that information and then you, you start, you, you put it through
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filters and you, you look for things that are said, words that you're looking for.
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If you're looking for a terrorist and you're looking for something like jihad or that sort
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Um, you know, these are the, the other things you're looking for are code words that terrorists
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You, you look for certain numbers you have, then you look for contacts and numbers that
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And then you start looking, then you start having humans put their earphones on to listen
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literally to what the, what these people are saying.
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So in other words, you're saying they take the metadata, they sift through the metadata,
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they get the people they want, and then they have their conversations after that inside
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They would collect the metadata and they collect the word for word also.
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So, but try to think of the metadata as when you, when the old days, when you go to the
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library and you get the card catalog, so you're looking for a subject on, you're writing a thesis
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in high school on, I don't know, um, you know, stock car races where it's the, it's the
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who, when I'm going back to like third grade vocabulary, who, when, why.
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I went, how, you know, just their name, the timestamp on it and wherever they're calling
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But you're telling me they're able to go now further into these conversations.
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What were they looking for on 30 million Americans folks?
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It's larger than the entire state of New York, including New York city.
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Well, remember these are, they could be multiple calls.
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They could be the same guy making 20 calls, um, in that, in that list.
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So it's not necessarily 30 million Americans, but it's going to be a boatload of Americans
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So, so instead of, instead of the way we're looking for bad guys or terrorists and you're
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using a word like jihad, say I use a word like, uh, Trump or, um, or some of the names
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of, uh, of president Trump's children or some of his business, uh, um, uh, associates or
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Roger Stone, who is one of your, you know, uh, uh, uh, folks that we see about every mile
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So these are, so you plug in all those words and there's other things that you filter numbers
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that, you know, and then, then you, you run and then once you identify those, then you
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identify numbers that are, that are calling those.
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So you might get, you might get, uh, Roger Stone may call the white house, somebody, or
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Then from Roger Stone, you, you find out who's talking to Roger Stone.
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Oh, gee, John, uh, I assume you talked to Mr. Stone.
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Um, so, so that, that's how you, that's how you find out who, who the people are in this
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I'm pretty sure, uh, the target was president Trump.
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So once you get all that information, you get all these phone numbers, you know where
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Uh, it's called traffic analysis where you don't have the contacts because they're encrypted.
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And some of our bad guys, especially nation States, they know like the Russian military,
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they know to encrypt their stuff, but then you do a traffic analysis.
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Yeah, but I don't, Russ, I don't think these were, these are bad guys.
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I think these are ordinary Americans who are supporting president Trump, but according to
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our justice department and our Intel agencies, they were domestic terrorists.
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So it's not like we're dealing with, uh, my opinion, at least for the vast majority of
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I'm sure there can be some funneled in there, of course, like anything, but they're diluted
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by, I think just ordinary Americans who went to January six, who supported president Trump.
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I mean, all the things you listed above, uh, Roger Russ are me.
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I speak to, you know, for example, Roger Stone at the time of January six, I was talking with
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I was talking with people inside the administration who were, you know, three, four ranks away from
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president Trump, uh, you know, texting, calling this and that.
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So, I mean, there's no doubt in my mind, I was probably implicated in some of those things,
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but the vast majority of these people were just regular people, Russ, like you and I
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getting their data all snatched up for whatever reason.
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Now, congressional members tell us Patriot Act is a must of FISA 702 must, but how are we
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supposed to trust these people when time and time again, they just poke us in the eyes and
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say, F you, uh, we're going to do what we want anyway.
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Well, of course you can't trust them over and over.
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And they, if you catch them at a certain point and breach a wall, they retreat to the next
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And then the next line in the next line, I'll guarantee you, John, that this is more than
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Once again, this is, they use this information and remember, you know, an enemy is whoever I
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If I declare J sixers to be enemies, then you're an enemy as opposed to a terrorist organization,
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uh, you know, Al Qaeda or, or, or whoever oversees.
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The Venezuelan drug lords pouring drugs into our country.
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So if I, if the, the, the data is the data and how, how you use it and who did, who's declared
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However, you, you, you, you basically use that information and do what, and do the analysis
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But, but once again, if the FBI is finding this out later in, in the fact, there's certainly
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no way that Congress had the capability to do this kind of analysis.
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So John talked to, to, uh, to Mr. Stone, Mr. Stone talked to, to some, to some, uh, to
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an, uh, a person that, uh, was working with president Trump and that person is very close
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So they got you like three or four layers out, but, but, but all who cares?
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After that, you, that is just the card catalog.
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Now I've gone through the card catalog and I've identified the, I'm going to say like
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And one of those library books is John Fawcett.
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The next library book up is the, uh, white house, um, person.
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And then the next book up is the, is the, the, the would be King, supposedly president Trump.
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So once you have that and you have all the different people, then you go to get the word
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for word that NSA has lied repeatedly that they don't get, which they lie.
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I know starting in December of, of 2013 is when NSA opened up that facility in Bluffdale,
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Remember I use that analogy, even the girls that are talking about you, Johnny is in junior
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high school, even that kind of nonsense that no one cares about everything.
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Even, uh, Admiral Rogers came out and said, what don't you believe, you know, what don't
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Everything, everything is word for word included and not in phone conversations and your emails,
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Why is it that we're hearing from this, hearing about this from John Solomon, who by the way,
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does terrific job, one of the greatest investigative journalists to ever walk this earth.
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Why is it that we have to hear from it from John Solomon and not from our FBI director, not
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from our CIA director, not for our director of the NSA or so on and so forth.
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Why are we hearing from it from the news and not our government saying, Hey, uh, by the way,
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uh, the Biden administration was doing X, Y, and Z or the, whatever the story may be.
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Why are we not hearing it from it from, from, from them?
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Well, for what I'm led to believe is that, uh, uh, cash Patel and Dan Bongino, that this
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whole, this whole special, um, file or, or, uh, database was hidden, uh, from back, even when
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Ray was in there from your average FBI officer. And then it was, it was basically, uh, put into
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the, the background and hidden from, from our current director, uh, Mr. Patel. I mean, uh, yeah,
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cash Patel. So, and, and director Bongino or deputy director, but how does John Solomon find it?
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Well, whistleblower, this all comes down to whistleblowers. You know, you can have all the
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IGs you want, and you can have all the, the committees are for, uh, you know, looking into,
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into violations that are, that are normally always compromised because quite often all those
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IGs and those committees that their own security clearances is, is contingent on the agencies that
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they're supposed to be monitoring. So this would have to come from a whistleblower that Mr.
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Solomon and, or of course, Mr. Grassley or Senator Grassley is sort of known as the, uh, the,
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the godfather of whistleblowing. So, um, hasn't helped, uh, people like me so much, but, uh, um,
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because the Intel community is still exempt from all the whistleblower laws. So that no, no one wants
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to bring that up, but so someone has probably come through as a whistleblower, uh, probably the FBI,
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I'm assuming, because remember those guys are trying to keep their jobs, um, to say, Hey, I know about
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this, uh, this secret, uh, database and remember, so it came from Congress first, then supposedly to
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the FBI, which is very interesting. And there's no, remember there's no way Congress or the FBI
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has the capability to sift through that information. There's only one agency that can do it. That's NSA.
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And we need to find out the connection from Congress, from that J6 committee to NSA, uh, and the, um,
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the, and, and, or the, uh, the, uh, telecommunication companies that were involved as well.
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Yeah. There's no doubt, Russ, they were running a cabal at the highest level. And they, I mean,
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they've gotten caught and I think now we're going to start to see the indictment start to flow. And,
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uh, we see the biggest one, perhaps yet John Bolton, uh, raided his house just about a month ago,
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got files out there. This man was keeping war plans for us. The guy had stolen war plans from
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whatever security agency he'd stolen them from, uh, different sorts of, he had folders labeled Trump,
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this Trump, that first of all, what is John Bolton doing? Stealing these documents. Number one,
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number two, why are people not taking this more serious than it is? Russ, you were,
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I mean, given some of the harshest penalties possible, taking pensions and losing jobs and
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labeled a crazy man for coming out and blowing the whistle on something that we're witnessing
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happening right in front of our eyes till this very day. Yet people are looking at on the left
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Well, Bolton is all, you know, it's always been known as a warmonger. I would, I, I, I call him a
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war pig, but, uh, like the Ozzy Osbourne, uh, Black Sabbath song. Um, but, um, it would suggest
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that he, he wrote a book, right. And, uh, made a couple million bucks on it. So you, and he kept notes,
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by the way, if you're in a classified briefing and you take notes and I would do this periodically
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and, but the notes you submit to be put in, into your, your, your safe and they're classified.
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Even if I write something on a, heck if I wrote something on a napkin, yeah, it becomes glad the
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napkin is now classified. If I write, you know, uh, weapons capabilities or, you know, enemy capabilities
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against their counter capabilities or, um, now, you know, was he selling that information? Uh, you know,
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it says some people, they keep that information to sell for profit. Um, I don't know that he did
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that, but, um, he's charged with espionage. Well, the, you know, the espionage act is, is a very,
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yeah, I mean, that's something they were going to charge me with by the way. And I had, uh, I had
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zero classified documents in my home or, um, but I, I certainly have evidence. I believe that my home
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was broken into several times by the FBI. Um, uh, another place where I stayed, I believe was
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broken into, I believe my parents' home was broken into at least twice, uh, when they were at church
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because my father was retired. My mother didn't work. The only time they could have gotten into
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my parents' home was when they were at church. And just so happened because there was an old locking
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system on, on their home is an older home that, that I guess they didn't have the nouveau,
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whatever, wait again, they just drilled a hole right through the, through the, uh, through the
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lock to, to break open the lock. They did that twice at my parents' home. Now, am I stupid enough
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to keep classified documents in my home or my parents' home? Of course not. I don't have any
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classified documents. The only one time I ever took classified documents home, I was working with the
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Navy. It was a very highly classified system. And I, I just accidentally, it accidentally ended up on
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my briefcase because I was working with the Naval War College to get the, uh, my graduate degree
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from there. And, and as soon as I figured it out the next day, I immediately contacted security.
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I went in, I turned it in. I wrote up my own, my own security report that I, you know, and, and then,
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you know, talk to security. They said, okay, we don't think it was compromised. You sat in your
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briefcase by your desk at your home and never went anywhere. And, but I had a little ding put on my
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report because I, you know, that was a security violation. And you self-admitted to it.
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So I turned myself in, I did it. I mean, it was an accident and it was a highly classified Naval
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SAP program. Yeah. But, um, but that's the kind of thing you do if you, even if you accidentally
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find out that you've done something, only time I've ever had an issue with that. And it accidentally
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ended up in my briefcase. I probably shouldn't have had my homework for the Naval Academy.
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I mean, the Naval War College and with SAP stuff I was working in, uh, in the office,
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but, um, it ended up there, my fault, but Bolton apparently just willy nilly put documents
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in his briefcase and off he went and put them home. And I guess he wanted to use them for
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his book or I don't know, maybe to impress people or, uh, maybe to put in so that he knew something
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special to, to show someone. You know, Russ, it's funny. Uh, you got guys like Bolton who,
00:27:09.680
when Julian Assange came out and Edward Stone came out and blew the whistle on some of the same
00:27:14.360
things that you blew the whistle on, um, John Bolton came up to the line of calling for their
00:27:20.220
death. I mean, these people should be thrown in jail for the rest of their lives. Take a listen.
00:27:24.480
If he gets to the United States, he'll get due process here. And I hope he gets at least 176
00:27:31.560
years in jail for what he did. I'm not bothered by the death penalty in this country. And I think,
00:27:36.320
uh, crimes like espionage that harm the security and the safety of innocent American civilians
00:27:45.840
You is that Snowden committed treason. He ought to be convicted of that. And then he ought to swing
00:27:50.600
from a tall oak tree. Well, he should be prosecuted. And if he's found guilty, he should be punished to
00:27:57.220
the fullest extent possible. And what is that? Death. You think he should be killed? Yes.
00:28:07.020
John Bolton calling for the death of numerous people who, in my opinion, aren't bad people. I
00:28:12.120
don't think Julian Assange is a bad person. I don't think Edward Snowden is a bad person,
00:28:15.720
uh, for simply coming out. You know, Bolton wants to talk about being a traitor or this or that,
00:28:24.460
but what about when it's the shoes on the other foot, Russ? What about when our government is
00:28:28.800
betraying us? What about when our government is trading us? I don't know. Anytime we signed up to
00:28:35.040
be surveilled. Uh, we have the right to live a life without being surveilled at every single moment for
00:28:41.060
doing absolutely nothing wrong. What about looking at that aspect of it? What's interesting about the
00:28:46.780
Espionage Act is when you're prosecuted for it, you cannot put up a defense as to why you may have
00:28:52.800
said something that is classified, even if it's a total violation of the law and the constitution.
00:28:59.520
You're not allowed to bring that up in court in your defense. They'll just say you had a classified
00:29:04.400
document or you said something classified and you say, yes, but it was because of illegal. And that
00:29:09.220
they'll shut you up and say, shut up. You're not allowed to say that. Um, you're not allowed to
00:29:13.880
defend yourself. What Snowden came out with probably, you know, the difference between me and Snowden,
00:29:20.480
well, first of all, I think he gave up too much. And I think there was a reason for that. And we'd have
00:29:25.400
to go into a long discussion on that, but, um, you know, he came out with the document, the NSA's own
00:29:31.640
documentation that this was going on. When I came out and said this, said it all, um, you know,
00:29:38.340
nine years before Snowden, um, you know, I, you know, it's like they lied and they said they
00:29:44.920
weren't doing it, of course. And they said that I was crazy. How their argument was, oh my gosh,
00:29:51.140
we could never do such a thing. And, and, and, and our, this guy's crazy. He's, he's off the,
00:29:57.680
you know, he just lost it. And we have to fire him by the way, cause he's crazy. So that's the
00:30:03.120
difference. They hate Snowden because he had their own documentations as proof. And I just
00:30:09.300
had my own words. Yeah. And they can call you crazy because you don't have the documentation
00:30:14.340
and they can call him a traitor. So it doesn't matter what you have or what you don't have
00:30:18.460
Russ, because in somehow, some way they're going to find a way to ruin your life. They ruined your
00:30:23.020
life. They ruined his life. I mean, they ruined Assange's life. These guys were on the run for,
00:30:26.740
I mean, still on the run to this day and simply for calling out the government. And
00:30:32.760
it's not the way America should be. It's not the way that I think the founders created this country,
00:30:38.700
but we've gotten far into a time, Russ, where this country is, is bought and owned by everybody
00:30:44.820
and corrupted from within. Forget about, you know, Russia or China or other people coming to hack us
00:30:52.000
and do corruption. We do it from within to ourselves, to our own people. It's like,
00:30:58.920
I mean, we had a problem when Syria was, when the leaders of Syria were gassing their people,
00:31:05.200
they want to talk about civil rights abuses and they want to talk about civil rights abuses in
00:31:09.360
Iran or other countries throughout the Middle East or in Venezuela or in China. But what about the
00:31:18.320
civil rights abuses happening right here in America? Is that a fair assessment, Russ?
00:31:24.240
Well, of course it is. And I think some of the discussions we've had in the past, why would you
00:31:29.720
not put the hammer down on this? Yeah. The same reason for Hoover was blackmailing presidents way back
00:31:37.340
when. NSA can easily use this information to blackmail any wrongdoing by our congressional
00:31:45.060
representatives, our judges that are in the Supreme Court, FISA Court, under the courts, federal courts
00:31:52.780
underneath, or any other court for that matter. And a whole bunch of other people they can blackmail.
00:31:57.780
I mean, Jager Hoover is a drop in the bucket compared to what NSA can do with what they have.
00:32:03.720
And so for some reason, I don't think a whole lot of the representatives that we have on Capitol Hill
00:32:09.940
are saints that have a bit of dirt in their background. So I keep saying, you know, why doesn't
00:32:19.240
someone bring in NSA and say, do you have this information? The same thing that was asked to,
00:32:27.460
to, oh, what's his name? When he was at DNI, the clapper. So, and say, does NSA have this
00:32:37.740
information? In this case, I would say, did NSA give this information or involved in giving this
00:32:45.280
information to the J6 committee? And then how much information give it? And was word for word
00:32:51.260
information given? And I would let the director of NSA, or I don't even think President Trump has been
00:32:57.240
able to assign another director for NSA. But I would say, if you lie to us, we're going to put
00:33:03.920
you in jail, director, deputy director, whoever you are at NSA. And how much information do you have
00:33:11.500
on American citizens? Are you lying? And I think they are. They have it word for word. And then deal
00:33:19.100
with that. And then hold these people accountable until you put people in jumpsuits, behind bars,
00:33:26.220
you know, eating, you know, mush for breakfast. It's going to continue to happen over and over and
00:33:34.620
over again. And, you know, like I said, this started out when I, when I blew the whistle on
00:33:39.240
Republicans. Yeah, I know. Yeah. The analogy I use, Russ, is these people should never be able to go to
00:33:47.680
the bathroom again and use a toilet bowl that's not made of stainless steel and has a toilet bowl seat
00:33:52.980
without people watching them go to the bathroom. That's the analogy I've been using lately for the
00:33:57.320
people who aren't well-versed with the prison system. They're stainless steel toilets, no toilet bowl
00:34:03.960
seat on them. And I don't even know if you get toilet paper, but the time has got to come. Let's turn
00:34:09.560
to Russ before we wrap up here. Tulsi Gabbard, someone I admire greatly, who I think is doing a terrific job.
00:34:16.040
And I know she's doing a good job because the Daily Beast has an article out that says Gabbard
00:34:21.180
launches her secret goon squad to target Trump's enemies. Your thoughts on the job that Tulsi Gabbard
00:34:30.260
is doing this far, Russ? Well, remember I was, I wasn't sure about Ms. Gabbard because, because she
00:34:36.180
really doesn't have an Intel background. But then I thought about it. I said, you know what? Maybe the
00:34:41.120
best thing we can have is someone who doesn't have an Intel background, who, who, uh, who isn't
00:34:46.140
tainted by, by the, the, the past. And the fact that they came after her as, as, as much as they did,
00:34:54.240
then I realized that she was the real thing. And that's when I became a real Tulsi Gabbard fan.
00:34:59.820
And I am to this day, the fact they keep coming at her, the fact that they tried to set her up with
00:35:04.780
that, that, that dirty, uh, uh, nuclear Iran stuff, um, uh, at the CIA. And you know what I
00:35:11.380
think of, uh, the director of the CIA. Yeah. We're going to talk about that. So it's, uh, that's, um,
00:35:17.380
that's when I became a fan and now she's figured out a way to ferret out the, the, the, the bad apples
00:35:23.920
from the Intel barrel. And now they're all upset because she's starting to dig them out and then get in
00:35:30.700
and, and, and get rid of them. So, so hooray for Tulsi Gabbard. I want to, I want to carry her
00:35:36.840
banner around, um, because she's doing her job and my goodness, um, I give her a big hug if I
00:35:44.300
met the woman and say, thank you. Yeah. You know why I think Russ, she has the obligation to do a good
00:35:50.180
job is because she was wronged just as bad as Donald Trump was. They stole from her in 2016, Hillary
00:35:56.380
Clinton. They robbed her, um, uh, from a fair democratic process. Um, and, and they tried to
00:36:04.100
ruin her life just as they did to Donald Trump. Now, obviously she didn't have the money that
00:36:07.440
Donald Trump had. She didn't have the power. She didn't have the fame that Donald Trump had. So
00:36:11.120
she couldn't really defend herself the way that she probably, you know, would have if she did have
00:36:16.560
those resources. But I do think she's doing a terrific job and I'm assured by a man, you mentioned
00:36:21.220
Roger Stone, who's a very good friend of hers that, that she's doing a terrific job, but I've seen
00:36:25.740
instances. You had mentioned director of CIA, John Ratcliffe, and there's been some instances.
00:36:31.000
First of all, I gotta be honest with you. I've never really trusted him. And I'll tell you why
00:36:34.680
back in 2020, when president Trump left office, he had declassified certain documents. One of the
00:36:39.920
biggest ones would be the 2016 Russia, the collusion, whatever you want to call it documents
00:36:45.480
that Ratcliffe seemingly dragged his feet on, didn't get them out. I've spoken about this many times
00:36:51.300
before and I'm going to try to get John Solomon on the show this week to talk about it, but the
00:36:54.980
documents were given to John Solomon and then taken back from John Solomon and never given back.
00:36:58.780
It was in regard to Crossfire Hurricane, obviously the Russia collusion hoax and all that. There was
00:37:04.040
other documents like the JFK files that he held back. And I'm sure now he's in on the Epstein files
00:37:09.080
as well. I think he's a deep state operator, but I do have seen issues now over the course of this term
00:37:16.120
dating back just a month ago, Russ. We've got here
00:37:19.280
from MS or this is NBC tensions rise between Gabbard. This is last month rise between Gabbard
00:37:26.100
and CIA chief after her disclosure of an undercover officer's name. According to insiders,
00:37:31.600
the article says director of national intelligence, L.C. Gabbard blindsided CIA leaders last week
00:37:36.180
when she disclosed the name of an undercover CIA officer on a list. People,
00:37:40.360
she's stripped of security clearances, multiple current and former intelligence sources say.
00:37:45.560
Now, why would Ratcliffe, if you're stripped of your security clearance with the exception,
00:37:49.700
a few exceptions, you probably did something wrong. And in this case, you definitely did something wrong.
00:37:54.500
But you got CIA director, John Ratcliffe trying to protect these people to try to destroy democracy
00:38:01.080
in America. Doesn't make much sense to me, Russ.
00:38:03.600
Well, apparently this guy was a former CIA officer, so he was no longer working in a covert capacity.
00:38:12.880
So and if he lost his clearance, he's not working anywhere, you know, in the intel community.
00:38:19.200
So he's a past operative if he was one. And so, you know, OK, now we know that he used to do some
00:38:27.160
spooky stuff for the CIA. Yeah. Big deal. I did a whole lot of spooky stuff in my background.
00:38:33.600
To this day, I'm not allowed to talk about. But yeah, I did spooky stuff. Some of it covertly.
00:38:41.360
So come on, that's nonsense. And of course, you know, Ratcliffe set up the Tulsi Gabbard,
00:38:49.160
as mentioned. And I just I just don't think this this man is trustworthy. I hope for the day when
00:38:58.320
President Trump realizes this and gives him the boot.
00:39:01.000
I just saw yesterday and I don't particularly care for Steve Bannon. I don't really like Steve
00:39:06.000
Bannon, but I saw yesterday on Steve Bannon show some headlines. Steve Bannon calling for Ratcliffe
00:39:10.880
to step aside and resign from his job because he Steve says that Ratcliffe, Steve Wyckoff,
00:39:19.020
who's been President Trump's special envoy to the Middle East, who's been negotiating a lot of these
00:39:23.060
peace deals and things like that in that region, has been getting briefings three times a day from
00:39:29.340
the CIA on different issues throughout the Middle East. And one of the big ones was obviously
00:39:34.200
Israel and Hamas and the ceasefire. Steve Bannon says that multiple times Ratcliffe came to
00:39:44.060
to to Wyckoff in his briefings and lied right to his face, saying Hamas has no intention
00:39:49.380
to negotiate. Hamas doesn't want to negotiate any sort of peace. And he's saying that's not exactly
00:39:54.840
the case. I mean, that's a big deal, in my opinion, if that pans out to be true. I'm not sure Steve would
00:40:01.640
be coming out here alleging these things if he didn't have some sort of inside information into
00:40:06.400
the fact that John Ratcliffe has been lying and we find out he lied about Iran. So if you lied once,
00:40:14.220
Russ, you're probably going to lie again. This is dangerous.
00:40:19.560
Yeah, more than likely, there's there's something there. And, you know, mentioned Epstein before,
00:40:24.400
you know, I'm quite convinced that Epstein was working for the CIA. A lot of people are.
00:40:29.640
And they were blackmailing people with the with, you know, these folks were you were buggering these
00:40:35.980
little girls. And they were using CIA was using that to blackmail them and perhaps MI6 and and the
00:40:42.980
Mossad. And Lord knows who else. But because he's a CIA, former CIA asset. And come on, where did he
00:40:50.880
get, you know, hundreds of millions of dollars? It's just sort of explain, you know, how. So,
00:40:57.000
yeah, I'm I'm 90 percent sure he was a CIA asset and other intel. And and of course, Ratcliffe is
00:41:04.180
going to do everything he can to to not bring that out. And and the other information probably came
00:41:11.300
from a whistleblower. And I think he's as dirty as dirt gets. And the well, Tulsi's his boss,
00:41:18.360
theoretically. Right. Correct. So remember, I told you about that whole thing about, you know,
00:41:23.940
the CIA being the former basically the head of the of the intel community. And and they've never
00:41:30.860
gotten over the fact that there's now a DCI that's supposed to be their boss. And that's always been
00:41:36.840
an issue ever since. Would Tulsi have to go to President Trump if she wanted to fire Ratcliffe?
00:41:41.840
Oh, absolutely. Sure. OK. Yeah. It's just the level of corruption here. I don't think President
00:41:47.620
Trump should tolerate even one lie because of how many times he was lied to his first
00:41:52.620
term around. And then, you know, in the reelection campaign, he's got too many people around him
00:41:57.280
still to this day who I don't think have his best interest based on what I hear from inside
00:42:02.660
his inner circle. So I don't think he should tolerate it. I don't think he should put up with
00:42:08.260
it because, you know, we're all living on borrowed time. Russ, these four years are going to go real
00:42:13.300
quick. In just a few months, we're already going to be a year in and that gives them three years
00:42:17.460
left. But you really don't do anything the last six months of your administration. So that gives
00:42:21.520
you two and a half years left, you know, so time flies. And I don't think he could stand to put up
00:42:26.560
with this, which is why I'm so adamant about getting these corrupt scumbags off these streets
00:42:32.220
and getting guys like Bolton behind bars where they belong, put them through the process they put
00:42:38.240
Donald Trump through for no reason. Russ, it's always a delight to talk to you. You get the last
00:42:41.860
word here. Remember, you just mentioned the word time. Timing is very important on this case with
00:42:49.060
the J6 committee and all 30 million files and all the machinations of all of how that all happened.
00:42:57.220
That timeline has to be established. And who else was involved? I'm quite sure NSA was involved.
00:43:03.720
And ultimately, you have to attack the elements of that timeline and hold people accountable.
00:43:09.240
Mr. President, Mr. Trump, please hold these people accountable so that even after we're all long gone,
00:43:17.160
any future intel people or whoever is in these positions will fear being put in jail if they
00:43:23.180
think about doing these things. Yeah, they should all go to jail at least for 10 days, 15 days to see
00:43:28.760
what it's like. This is a test. I guarantee none of these pretty boys will be able to last a day
00:43:34.480
because once people in jail find out what they've done and who they're working for, I hear it's not
00:43:41.660
a smooth sailings, I guess is probably the most appropriate way to say it, Russ. We all know what
00:43:48.000
happens in jail to people who are bad. Well, they'd have to be in, you know, because they've been
00:43:52.920
had access to classified information. Yeah, yeah. Solitary is probably worse than what could happen to them
00:43:57.940
in general population, actually. So you can't have them with the general population. You have to
00:44:01.700
segment them away. But but, you know, but they need to be in jail. It's that simple.
00:44:08.780
Yep. Russ, we'll talk to you soon, my friend. Thanks so much for joining us, folks. Former
00:44:12.520
senior NSA intel analyst and whistleblower and great American and great friend of the great
00:44:17.180
Lou Dobbs and great friend of mine and great friend of the Great America Show. Russ Tice. Russ,
00:44:21.260
we'll talk to you soon, my friend. Always my pleasure, John. Thanks to Russ Tice, folks. And thank
00:44:25.120
you all for being with us today here on the Great America Show. We'll see you back here tomorrow for
00:44:28.100
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00:44:32.520
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