The Great America Show - October 27, 2024


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January 6th sham case encrypted chats between Cheney and Hutchinson
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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Julie Kelly Donald Trump Cassidy Hutchinson John Kelly Liz Cheney Jack Smith Michael Horowitz Merrick Garland Nathan Wade Joe Biden Mark Elias Stephen Sund Mike Davis AG Mark Meadows Mike Pence Stefan Passantino Sam Harris Alyssa Farah Paul Irving Stevenson and 35 more
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Julie Kelly, an investigative reporter and host of the show The Great America Show, joins host John Rocha (Rocha is a former White House correspondent for the New York Times and the Los Angeles Daily News) to discuss the bombshell revelations coming out of a House committee investigating the January 6th False Lawsuit.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:05.220 It's great to have you with us.
00:00:06.360 Thanks so much for joining us today.
00:00:08.500 The 2024 election, I mean, it's fast approaching, faster than I think we've ever expected it
00:00:13.280 to come.
00:00:14.280 It seems like just yesterday, President Trump announced he'd be running again in 2024.
00:00:18.840 And then came all the lawsuits, the raid on Mar-a-Lago, the January 6th fake lawsuit,
00:00:24.580 Fonny Willis, the New York criminal case, the Stormy Daniels case, the New York civil
00:00:29.980 case.
00:00:30.360 I mean, they piled on and they piled on and they piled on and they just kept on coming.
00:00:35.160 But shortly thereafter, they started to fall apart.
00:00:37.920 The case in Florida, the Mar-a-Lago's documents case dismissed by Judge Aileen Cannon, Jack
00:00:42.680 Smith fighting for his life on that case.
00:00:45.020 Another case Jack Smith is fighting for his life on is this January 6th sham case that
00:00:50.040 President Trump had something to do with January 6th.
00:00:52.900 Our guest today knows more about January 6th, perhaps than any of us, and has done deep
00:00:58.300 dives into every single aspect of that day, including a timeline, a synchronized timeline
00:01:03.860 of everything that happened with the Capitol Police requesting the National Guard, the military.
00:01:10.620 I want to bring her in.
00:01:11.360 She's Julie Kelly.
00:01:12.400 She's an investigative reporter and she has a great sub stack. 0.69
00:01:15.360 It's juliekelly.substack.com where you can read everything.
00:01:20.180 Her Twitter, which you can see right here on the screen, follow her for all updates on
00:01:25.160 any government corruption.
00:01:26.460 Julie, thank you so much for joining us today.
00:01:30.500 I guess it makes sense to start with January 6th and something that you've been talking
00:01:35.660 about for the last few weeks now.
00:01:37.280 And this star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson, if you will tell the audience, Cassidy Hutchinson,
00:01:44.620 her background and the role she's now playing in what seems to be a big lie.
00:01:51.320 Well, John, thanks so much for having me on.
00:01:53.560 I know Lou is looking down and very proud and pleased that you are filling his very large
00:01:58.860 footsteps there.
00:02:00.280 Thank you.
00:02:01.040 So I know everyone misses him.
00:02:02.700 I know that I do.
00:02:03.580 And he was always so gracious to have me on and cover my work.
00:02:08.420 So thank you for having me on now.
00:02:10.820 Thanks for joining me.
00:02:11.620 Yeah.
00:02:11.980 So bombshell revelations coming out of the House Administrative Committee subcommittee
00:02:19.600 that is led by Representative Barry Loudermilk from Georgia.
00:02:23.480 And what he is doing is not just looking into, you know, some unanswered questions about January
00:02:29.480 6th, the Pipe Bomb, National Guard deployment, et cetera, but also the January 6th Select Committee
00:02:35.540 itself.
00:02:36.420 And this was the one that was formed by former Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi.
00:02:41.500 So he has been looking into a lot of malfeasance surrounding that committee, missing videos, missing
00:02:48.480 documents, destroyed videos, actually, of witness depositions.
00:02:53.500 And what he has recently discovered is encrypted chats between Liz Cheney, the vice chairman of
00:03:01.800 the committee, and her star witness, Cassidy Hutchinson.
00:03:05.560 Now, everyone remembers Cassidy's dramatic testimony during the televised performances of
00:03:12.640 the committee.
00:03:13.200 This was June 28th of 2022, where she made these outlandish claims about Trump's behavior
00:03:19.140 that day.
00:03:19.780 Well, it turns out, John, that through Alyssa Farah Griffin, who also worked in the Trump
00:03:27.400 White House and now is on The View, she acted as an intermediary to connect Hutchinson with 0.99
00:03:33.040 Liz Cheney in the spring of 2022.
00:03:37.540 Cassidy was a target of the investigation, having been a close aide to then Chief of Staff
00:03:44.040 Mark Meadows.
00:03:44.720 Cassidy Hutchinson already was being represented by an attorney, Stefan Passantino, who also
00:03:54.140 had worked in the Trump White House.
00:03:56.340 Liz Cheney got a hold of Cassidy Hutchinson. 0.91
00:03:59.000 And as they say, the rest is history.
00:04:01.860 She gave what is now proven to be perjured testimony under oath about what happened in the
00:04:08.280 SUV.
00:04:08.760 Remember that Trump lunged at the steering wheel and then he tried to strangle his security
00:04:14.280 detail.
00:04:15.020 All of that has been completely debunked.
00:04:17.300 But now we know that they have this back channel and that Liz Cheney was in communication
00:04:22.240 with Cassidy Hutchinson before that explosive testimony.
00:04:26.620 So we can talk a little bit more about that.
00:04:28.500 But this is pretty, this is bombshell revelations here, John, because it really speaks to the
00:04:36.880 fact that Liz Cheney appears to have committed crimes of her own, including obstructing an 0.87
00:04:42.260 official proceeding, tampering with a witness, perhaps suborning perjury, and maybe even dangling
00:04:49.100 some sort of quid pro quo, but before Cassidy Hutchinson, who was 24 at the time, to get 1.00
00:04:55.260 this outlandish incendiary testimony out of her that has now been completely discredited.
00:05:03.040 You know, it's and for all you guys who are listening to if you want to read about what
00:05:07.240 Julie's talking about, she talks about in her sub stack at Julie Kelly dot sub stack dot
00:05:11.200 com and breaks down the events, has the text messages of Liz Cheney with Cassidy Hutchinson.
00:05:17.420 And if you read some of these text messages, Julie, it's like ones you would have read.
00:05:23.020 We'll say like Eric Adams text messages.
00:05:25.400 Hey, I don't want this to be put out in the public.
00:05:29.480 Is there a certain time I can call you or nobody will, you know, see that you're around
00:05:35.080 all types of nefarious behavior, Julie, that you wouldn't see if you were running a legitimate
00:05:40.780 operation.
00:05:41.680 The other thing is Liz Cheney got up on that stand and brought Cassidy Hutchinson and like 0.99
00:05:48.800 she had never met this woman before.
00:05:50.480 But, you know, she was ready for her testimony.
00:05:53.200 That was, you know, what she already knew what it was.
00:05:57.040 You'd mentioned Alyssa Farah.
00:05:58.600 And it was it was sort of funny.
00:05:59.700 I always joked around with Lou that he pegged people spot on.
00:06:04.360 He knew from the get go if they were good people or they were bad people.
00:06:07.760 And during the Trump administration, he had her on his show one time and he had told us
00:06:12.380 that's it.
00:06:13.240 No more.
00:06:13.840 Never again.
00:06:15.120 Now, I always called him Nostradamus because Lou predicted things that were going to happen.
00:06:20.080 And I mean, for years, he did it for 25 years, at least in modern history, but always predictable.
00:06:26.000 And Melissa Farah turned out to be one of these rat weasels who's just no good, who was in 1.00
00:06:30.480 there to do harm.
00:06:31.280 The other issue we had in there you'd mentioned was the note, which is perhaps, Julie, the
00:06:37.220 most hysterical part of this.
00:06:39.360 A note from Cassidy Hutchinson, which she allegedly was transcribing President Trump,
00:06:44.340 something President Trump said, it turned out to be that it wasn't exactly her handwriting.
00:06:48.820 I have three sisters.
00:06:49.720 And when I saw that handwriting, Julie, on the note, I said, that does not look like the
00:06:53.580 handwriting of a female.
00:06:55.080 And then I saw on your Twitter you posted a Alyssa Farah love letter to her, one of her
00:06:59.120 friends, and I looked at it and I said, yes, that's the handwriting of a woman, big bubbly
00:07:03.120 letters, especially for millennial girls.
00:07:05.360 It seems they all write in this bubbly type of handwriting, unless I guess they're not.
00:07:10.580 Right, right.
00:07:11.360 Tell us a little bit about that and the conflict of that and who wrote that letter and the
00:07:17.860 conflict that man played in all of this.
00:07:20.980 John, this is the most inexplicable lie of the many lies, not just by Cassidy Hutchinson
00:07:26.460 and, of course, facilitated by Liz Cheney.
00:07:30.080 I don't understand why she would lie about writing a sentence or taking a note from, it
00:07:35.800 was actually from Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, who she worked for, why she would lie about
00:07:41.540 writing that sentence down and what it said, something along the lines of tomorrow, Cassidy
00:07:46.500 Hutchinson's favorite phrase, you know, those who unlawfully or legally enter the Capitol 1.00
00:07:52.680 should leave immediately.
00:07:55.520 She claimed, again, during her sworn public testimony, and Liz Cheney is the one who prompted
00:08:01.260 her on this, holding up a copy of this note.
00:08:05.400 And she said that she took that dictation from Mark Meadows, that that was her handwriting.
00:08:09.700 Liz Cheney directly asked her, is that your handwriting?
00:08:12.840 Cassidy Hutchinson said yes.
00:08:15.020 Well, it turns out it wasn't her handwriting.
00:08:17.340 She didn't take the note.
00:08:18.800 It was Eric Hirschman, who was another White House attorney, who had taken that dictation
00:08:23.640 at the direction of Mark Meadows, as they were formulating a statement that the president
00:08:27.460 could give at the time to try to ask the protesters to leave the Capitol.
00:08:32.120 Why would she lie about that?
00:08:34.740 So what Loudervilk staff did, they hired a, to your point, really didn't need one, right?
00:08:40.080 You could tell that handwriting was not of a young girl.
00:08:43.780 So they hired a handwriting expert.
00:08:47.300 Eric Hirschman gave over several writing samples.
00:08:50.340 Apparently, Cassidy Hutchinson did as well.
00:08:52.940 And it was determined, probably within two seconds, that no, Cassidy, you did not write that.
00:08:58.880 You didn't use a little heart, you know, above the eye.
00:09:01.840 And you didn't, you know, leave little smiley faces after signing your name.
00:09:05.460 So at any rate, just, you know, I had people texting me this morning, John, asking me,
00:09:11.580 why would she lie about that?
00:09:13.540 And I, I just have no answer.
00:09:16.480 So this is, but look, this helped destroy lives.
00:09:20.660 More importantly, Stefan Passantino, who they then initiated this smear campaign against him,
00:09:28.500 who was representing, representing Cassidy Hutchinson at the time.
00:09:32.440 She fired him, apparently at the direction of Liz Cheney, who then offered two other attorneys
00:09:39.360 to represent her pro bono, which is then when all of this false testimony took place.
00:09:46.580 But they initiated a smear campaign against him, which resulted in two bar complaints against
00:09:52.120 Stefan in Georgia and in Washington, both dismissed.
00:09:55.140 And now he has two lawsuits, one filed against Congress, U.S. government, and one filed against
00:10:01.400 Andrew Weissman, of course, the legendary former Fed Mueller, quote unquote, pit bull, who's
00:10:07.720 actually like a little poodle, chihuahua, and a defamation suit against him.
00:10:13.760 So this was not without serious consequences to people's lives.
00:10:18.100 And there must be accountability for what the two of them, and even Alyssa Farah, did as
00:10:25.960 well. 1.00
00:10:26.620 Julie, the thing that comes to mind to me is, are people really this stupid? 1.00
00:10:31.860 Now, I know we have this whole Trump derangement thing that's going on, and it's been going 1.00
00:10:35.820 on now for some time, where people hate Trump so much that they're willing to believe anything.
00:10:40.700 I mean, if you told people that Trump is Hitler reincarnated, if you told these Democrats, some 0.99
00:10:46.500 of them would probably believe it because they're that sick in the head. 0.99
00:10:50.460 It's truly unbelievable. 0.95
00:10:51.700 When Cassie Hutchinson came out and said that President Trump pushed through the screen,
00:10:57.400 well, it's not a screen, it's a barrier window in the motorcade, to get a hold of the car
00:11:02.060 to drive him to the Capitol, and news organizations ran with it, Julie. 0.99
00:11:06.540 They thought this was news.
00:11:09.000 Now, us Republicans on Twitter, we were making memes.
00:11:11.700 I wasn't making them, but I was sharing them.
00:11:13.820 Memes of President Trump with these big jacked arms.
00:11:16.060 And I think President Trump saw them, and he was like, I wish I was that jacked, because
00:11:20.500 it's truly a joke, Julie.
00:11:21.980 I want to take a quick break here.
00:11:23.180 When we come back, I want to go further into the timeline on January 6th, something you go
00:11:27.440 into deep detail on your substack, julikelly.substack.com.
00:11:32.380 And the timeline, that just really doesn't make sense.
00:11:35.980 We're going to take that up with Julie Kelly. 0.99
00:11:37.480 We're coming right back.
00:11:38.240 Stay with us.
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00:12:47.260 We're back.
00:12:48.240 We're talking with brilliant investigative reporter, Julie Kelly.
00:12:51.560 I don't think there's anybody who does a better job dedicating their time and their
00:12:55.960 own resources and money into investigating the truth.
00:13:00.960 Julie's not some person who's being paid millions of dollars to do this. 0.99
00:13:05.460 She's actually becoming an enemy of the deep state by doing this and covering the truth.
00:13:10.520 So Julie's doing a great service to this country, as we all try to do, and we pay the
00:13:14.840 consequences for it deeply.
00:13:16.580 So Julie, we appreciate that.
00:13:19.380 I want to go into the timeline on January 6th.
00:13:23.200 I read over yesterday on your sub stack, you have an excellent chronological events list
00:13:29.160 of everything that happened after phone calls with Chief Stevenson.
00:13:32.400 First, I want to get to Stevenson because days leading up to January 6th, I believe January
00:13:38.200 3rd or 2nd, he had reached out because he was nervous and he wanted the National Guard
00:13:44.820 there.
00:13:45.260 He ran it up the chain of command, up and down.
00:13:47.700 It seemed three or four times.
00:13:49.120 January 6th finally comes, Julie, at 1258, Stevenson called the House Sergeant at Arms,
00:13:56.520 telling him we're getting overrun by protesters on the West Front.
00:13:59.580 I need approval to request the National Guard immediately.
00:14:02.420 Irving replied, let me run it up the chain and I'll call you back.
00:14:04.940 Now, this seemed like a normal occurrence in this chronological events list.
00:14:10.260 Now, this is at 1258, Julie.
00:14:12.180 President Trump was still speaking at that point.
00:14:14.760 So, the Capitol's being overrun, Julie, while President Trump is still speaking.
00:14:19.360 President Trump ends his speech at 110.
00:14:23.220 Okay?
00:14:23.980 So, 12 minutes later, they ended his speech.
00:14:26.320 Now, anyone who's been to D.C., Julie, and knows you can't walk from the ellipse to the
00:14:31.460 Capitol in 12 minutes.
00:14:33.040 It's just really not possible.
00:14:35.040 Correct.
00:14:35.220 It wouldn't even be 12 minutes because the speech didn't end.
00:14:37.200 So, it would be more like, you know, 24, 30 minutes.
00:14:40.460 30, 40 minutes.
00:14:41.740 Right.
00:14:41.940 It's a long walk.
00:14:43.560 And it was crowded.
00:14:44.880 And there were cities that were closed off.
00:14:47.360 And there were, you know, hundreds of thousands of people in the city.
00:14:51.100 So, people who walked from the ellipse to the Capitol said they really didn't get there
00:14:55.280 until 2 o'clock because of the crowds and the street closures.
00:14:59.300 So, I want to go into this.
00:15:00.840 Steven Sund begged for the National Guard.
00:15:03.240 In your thought, I mean, we spoke to Steven Sund on this show many times before.
00:15:06.300 To me, he seems like a very genuine and good guy.
00:15:09.740 Yes.
00:15:10.020 What are your thoughts on former Capitol Police Chief Steven Sund?
00:15:14.040 You know, I communicate with Chief Sund, and I went through his book.
00:15:18.900 We have serious disagreements about our analysis of that day, especially related to instances
00:15:26.160 of police brutality, excessive force, and even lethal force.
00:15:29.560 So, we have deep disagreements about police conduct that day.
00:15:33.700 But Steve Sund is a very loyal, you know, he's a cop's cop.
00:15:38.520 Of course.
00:15:39.000 And, you know, anyone who knows cops knows what that means.
00:15:43.220 And so, but he's very devoted to the Capitol Police, very devoted to his men and women.
00:15:49.540 He was absolutely heart sick and heartbroken to see, you know, attacks on police.
00:15:55.240 And, but despite that, I think what he has come to terms with is that he was intentionally
00:16:02.120 kept in the dark, that he was not privy to some of the intelligence that these other agencies
00:16:08.920 had, and that he was denied repeatedly.
00:16:12.520 Now, Paul Irving, the name you just raised, that's Paul Irving, Nancy Pelosi's sergeant-at-arms.
00:16:18.100 The other individual he was in contact with was a man named Michael Stenger, who was Mitch McConnell's sergeant-at-arms.
00:16:24.880 They make up the Capitol Police Board.
00:16:27.400 Capitol Police are primarily responsible for securing congressional buildings and Capitol grounds.
00:16:35.880 So, he had to get authorization from the Capitol Police Board, Stenger and Irving, to get National Guard.
00:16:43.640 He started making those pleas on January 3rd.
00:16:47.100 They repeatedly denied that and foot-dragged on it and slow-walked it and expressed concerns about so-called optics
00:16:54.220 and saying Pelosi would never go for it.
00:16:56.740 Well, then here he was, the initial exterior breach happening at 1253.
00:17:00.740 He then goes into panic mode, is calling everyone he could possibly think of to get the National Guard there.
00:17:09.480 At the same time, there's other foot-dragging by, say, people in the Trump administration.
00:17:18.780 And Mark Milley's fingerprints are on this.
00:17:21.080 And Ryan McCarthy, who is the Army Secretary, changing the chain of command, the authority,
00:17:26.920 on January 5th as to the deployment of Quick Reaction Force.
00:17:30.380 So, I lay all of this out.
00:17:31.880 As you said, John, this is the most exhaustive timeline about the deployment
00:17:37.340 or delays in the deployment of the National Guard that exists anywhere.
00:17:41.660 It literally took us months to put this together.
00:17:44.060 So, people can see for themselves, you know, was this just an intentional mess-up,
00:17:49.660 bureaucratic snafu, one after the other?
00:17:52.220 Or was there something more nefarious?
00:17:54.520 It was intentionally delayed.
00:17:57.020 So, the events of January 6th could unfold and then resulting in what happened, which was senators backing away from their plans to object to the certification of the vote in those contested states.
00:18:11.840 And then, ultimately, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris being certified about 3.20 a.m. on the 7th.
00:18:19.220 So, that would be the most, to your chronological, it's almost minute by minute of what unfolded on January 6th.
00:18:25.840 So, I want to talk about another minute that happens on January 6th at 2.40 p.m.
00:18:31.300 En route in an SUV to Fort McNair, Nancy Pelosi saying, quote,
00:18:35.440 I feel responsible.
00:18:36.540 We have a responsibility, Terry.
00:18:38.440 Why weren't the National Guard there to begin with?
00:18:40.840 And I take responsibility for not having the air there just to prepare for war.
00:18:45.180 Pelosi, again, raising the deployment, the prospect of the deployment of the National Guard.
00:18:49.660 Later on, we're going to stay here all day for the rest of our lives until the National Guard decides to come get rid of these people.
00:18:57.480 Julie, it seemed like we knew what was going to happen on that day.
00:19:00.880 Well, we didn't know, but these people in the government knew that there was going to be an issue.
00:19:06.300 Now, this was something I was thinking about the other day.
00:19:10.280 Do you think it's possible they didn't deploy the National Guard because they obviously knew government informants were going to be there,
00:19:17.440 government informants were going to cause corruption?
00:19:19.660 And the National Guard wasn't going to be able to disseminate which one of these people who were, you know,
00:19:27.140 causing arson and things like that, breaking windows for government informants versus who were not.
00:19:34.160 Yes, I think that there's so much behind the scenes that confirms the fact that you had various characters from Mark Milley,
00:19:43.140 James Rosen, the acting attorney general, other figures, you know, as Lou would say,
00:19:48.120 Marxist Dems, the deep staters, with their invisible hand behind the scenes, who, yes, 0.91
00:19:55.160 knew that there would be not just FBI informants, but undercover agents from numerous offices,
00:20:02.320 including DHS, including Capitol Police, which they had plainclothes.
00:20:06.640 Almost every law enforcement agency, including DHS, Park Police, later confirmed that they had plainclothes or undercover.
00:20:15.840 D.C. Metro, we see D.C. Metro undercover agents on video acting like Trump supporters,
00:20:23.580 encouraging people to go to the Capitol, saying the same sort of things that the Trump supporters were saying.
00:20:29.600 So we know this for a fact now.
00:20:32.720 But do you think I'm sorry, go ahead, John, just imagine if only a few hundred National Guardsmen
00:20:38.920 had been around the perimeter of the Capitol building starting at 11 o'clock that day.
00:20:44.540 They didn't even have to be armed.
00:20:46.560 They were just standing there.
00:20:48.540 None of this would have happened.
00:20:49.760 Instead, you had three or four Capitol Police behind not unsecure bike racks on the west side.
00:20:55.700 You had basically no protection on the east side.
00:20:59.300 And, of course, this enabled everything to happen that day.
00:21:03.000 Julie, none of these people had weapons.
00:21:05.460 They weren't the ones shooting at people.
00:21:07.580 They weren't the ones shooting tears of balls of tear gas at people.
00:21:13.680 The January 6th insurrectionists weren't the ones who shot Ashley Babbitt in her neck.
00:21:18.520 The notion that these people and I mean, it just continues to say in the back of my mind,
00:21:26.120 the reason I believe the National Guard wasn't there is because it would have caused a divide
00:21:31.540 and an issue with the government informants who were there to cause.
00:21:35.080 Because I think there's no doubt, Julie, that there were government informants that were there,
00:21:38.940 were some of the ones causing disruption, some of the ones who were breaking things,
00:21:44.380 you know, doing all types of harm to the grounds that these January 6thers
00:21:50.320 who just went there to peacefully protest are getting the rap for now.
00:21:54.460 And I think that's a big issue.
00:21:55.940 The reason Michael Horowitz hasn't released his report before the election,
00:22:00.700 because I think we're going to find out there was probably hundreds there.
00:22:03.960 Julie, what do you what do you think?
00:22:06.220 Right.
00:22:06.420 So you're referring to Inspector General for the Department of Justice, Michael Horowitz,
00:22:10.340 who this is the last remaining internal investigation that we're waiting to see from the federal government.
00:22:17.660 Every other agency conducted internal inquiry into that agency or department's role in January 6th preparation, et cetera, et cetera.
00:22:25.240 DOJ, the one we want to see the most, has still not been released.
00:22:29.960 And Michael Horowitz told Congress last month he has submitted a draft.
00:22:34.300 Apparently it's on the desk of Attorney General Merrick Garland, where it is going to sit until who knows when.
00:22:40.640 For sure, after the election, which Horowitz said was true, he was hoping it would be released before Inauguration Day.
00:22:46.840 But to your point, yes, it will reveal, and Michael Horowitz has said as much,
00:22:52.080 the number of FBI informants or confidential human sources involved before and on January 6th,
00:22:58.700 possibly in addition to that, John, the existence and participation of FBI undercover employees,
00:23:04.840 which is a different category of undercovers than informants,
00:23:09.600 and, you know, other things that the DOJ and FBI did, not find the pipe bomber, for example.
00:23:17.180 So, yes, they slow-walked this report.
00:23:19.680 It will include probably the most damaging information, damaging to the official J-6 narrative of anything else.
00:23:28.680 And it's really criminal that the DOJ is holding on to this,
00:23:33.520 while at the same time Kamala Harris and the Democrats continue to make January 6th,
00:23:37.900 blaming Trump for what happened that day, making January 6th a key campaign issue,
00:23:42.500 while at the same time withholding exculpatory information evidence that will be in that report.
00:23:49.220 Julie, imagine this.
00:23:50.580 I want you to think about something for a second, right before we go to break here,
00:23:53.820 and lament over it.
00:23:55.180 We were told by SISA, just days after the 2020 election,
00:23:59.480 it was the most secure election in this nation's history, just days, Julie.
00:24:03.520 Over 150 million votes cast, we were told, days.
00:24:06.200 Now, almost four years later, we can't get this report out from the Inspector General Horowitz.
00:24:13.160 Something doesn't seem right, Julie.
00:24:15.000 I want to take a quick break here.
00:24:16.240 When we come back, I want to go into Mike Pence and the role he played in all of this.
00:24:21.040 I also want to take a trip down to Georgia and uncover and talk about something we just found out about this week,
00:24:27.800 about Fannie Willis' lover, Nathan Wade.
00:24:30.560 We're coming right back with Julie Kelly, brilliant investigative reporter.
00:24:34.360 Remember, if you don't read Julie's Substack, I really highly recommend it to you.
00:24:38.780 Juliekelly.substack.com.
00:24:40.380 We're coming right back with Julie.
00:24:41.420 Stay with us.
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00:25:51.000 We're talking with brilliant investigative reporter Julie Kelly.
00:25:54.320 Julie, I want to turn to Mike Pence and the role he played.
00:25:59.440 Jack Smith filing his latest newly unsealed indictment against President Trump,
00:26:05.200 the junkyard jackal himself. 0.91
00:26:07.480 Go figure.
00:26:08.180 Most of it's redacted, but this was the classified information
00:26:11.680 that he had filed in his latest filing.
00:26:13.660 And they allege that Mike Pence's book played a big role in it.
00:26:18.860 What do you know about that?
00:26:20.860 I mean, here's what's sort of entertaining.
00:26:23.640 This was like, this was a big lead up to kind of nothing.
00:26:28.200 So Jack Smith got to file his quote-unquote immunity motion,
00:26:32.000 165 pages of a lot of already retread information
00:26:36.580 out of the J-6 committee and other sources.
00:26:39.260 Then he said, okay, we're going to file this big appendix
00:26:41.900 that's going to have grand jury testimony and FBI 302s, et cetera, et cetera.
00:26:45.460 Well, a lot of it were transcripts that have already been posted,
00:26:48.760 part of the J-6 select committee investigation as well.
00:26:53.140 But look, this is only the DOJ, along with Obama appointee,
00:26:57.840 Judge Tanya Chutkin, using this as an opportunity
00:27:02.060 to seed more damaging stories against Donald Trump about January 6th.
00:27:06.860 But look, this case is going nowhere.
00:27:08.820 They know it because between the immunity ruling
00:27:12.260 and Trump versus U.S. by the Supreme Court
00:27:14.380 and the Fisher ruling, which overturned 1512C2,
00:27:18.840 half of Jack Smith's, two of his four-count indictment,
00:27:22.200 counts in this indictment,
00:27:23.920 this case will never get to trial,
00:27:26.020 even if Kamala Harris wins.
00:27:27.900 It is DOA at the Supreme Court.
00:27:30.760 Chutkin knows it.
00:27:31.680 Smith knows it.
00:27:32.760 This is all they've got left.
00:27:34.360 So I call it their paper trial of Donald Trump.
00:27:38.420 And that's what they're doing here. 1.00
00:27:40.420 But look, Jack Smith, stone-cold loser. 0.97
00:27:43.840 He was upbraided by the Supreme Court three times this year alone. 0.97
00:27:49.880 Of course, he had already lost 8-0 at the Supreme Court
00:27:53.020 in the Bob McDonald conviction that was overturned by the Supreme Court,
00:27:56.940 which he handled.
00:27:57.600 So he's nothing but a Democrat henchman. 1.00
00:28:02.680 You know, he's a dirty operator. 0.99
00:28:04.800 And this is what he's paid to do. 0.93
00:28:07.380 And look, this investigation is going to cost upwards of,
00:28:10.280 it'll cost, at the end of the day,
00:28:12.420 the two indictments, the classified documents,
00:28:15.020 one in Florida that was dismissed by Judge Cannon in July,
00:28:17.940 that's on appeal, and then the J6.
00:28:20.240 This will easily double what Robert Mueller reportedly spent
00:28:24.140 on Russia collusion, $35 million.
00:28:26.040 This is going to reach, total, between Jack Smith and DOJ,
00:28:30.460 $100 million loan on criminal investigations into Donald Trump
00:28:35.720 and his associates.
00:28:38.200 Republicans, and especially if Donald Trump wins,
00:28:41.060 again, as I said about Liz Cheney,
00:28:43.080 there must be consequences for the complete deception
00:28:48.080 of the American people about Donald Trump's alleged criminality
00:28:53.200 and especially the events of January 6th.
00:28:55.040 Yeah, you know what, Julie, you're absolutely right.
00:28:57.860 And when President Trump comes out and says,
00:28:59.520 you know, my retribution will be success,
00:29:01.640 yes, I agree with him completely and wholeheartedly,
00:29:04.160 but he cannot let these people get away with what they've done to him.
00:29:07.220 I fear that President Trump, I mean,
00:29:09.380 he's the kind of guy, Julie, for anyone who doesn't know him,
00:29:12.420 he's got this massive heart,
00:29:14.000 and he doesn't let things bother him.
00:29:16.660 And you sit here and you watch this man be shot at eight times at a rally
00:29:22.540 and then on a golf course almost again,
00:29:24.320 and he comes out and he says, you know, it's business as usual
00:29:28.360 and it doesn't bother him.
00:29:29.500 And it's literally mind-blowing to me,
00:29:31.420 and it scares me that he will come back in
00:29:34.220 because he's that kind of person who just wants to move on and get –
00:29:37.640 he really does love this country.
00:29:39.140 And I think in the back of his mind,
00:29:41.480 he thinks by going after these people,
00:29:43.160 it does something to the country.
00:29:44.220 But I think he really has to realize,
00:29:46.120 and the people around him have to make him realize,
00:29:48.360 that what these people have done to this country
00:29:49.900 and our justice system can never be done again to any other people, Julie,
00:29:54.020 because they're ruining this country.
00:29:56.180 They're ruining the justice system. 0.98
00:29:58.040 Merrick Garland, that little four-foot troll, 0.97
00:30:01.200 sits there and parades behind a podium like he's this big, tough guy, 0.96
00:30:05.600 armed with security and all these people around him,
00:30:08.700 telling anyone if you dare challenge the 2024 election,
00:30:12.060 you go look at those January 6thers that I've got there locked up, 1.00
00:30:15.520 my political trophies.
00:30:17.300 He's literally like Jeffrey Dahmer.
00:30:19.220 He's got these people, Julie, locked up and stored in prisons,
00:30:25.240 some of them without trial, Julie.
00:30:26.860 It's been almost four years, still sitting in the gulag.
00:30:31.780 And he uses – I spoke to one the other day.
00:30:33.840 Her name is Cindy Young, a 67-year-old grandmother, Julie,
00:30:37.260 who entered the Capitol, walked around, was welcomed in by police officers,
00:30:41.840 did a little walk around, walked out of the building.
00:30:44.880 She's now facing up to a year in jail. 1.00
00:30:46.800 If she goes to jail, she tells me she'll lose everything, her business,
00:30:49.960 her Social Security, then become a convicted felon.
00:30:53.040 It's sick what they've done to these people, Julie. 1.00
00:30:55.800 They're ruining this damn country. 1.00
00:30:58.320 I want to turn to Merrick Garland and what's next for him. 1.00
00:31:03.960 Hopefully he's got less than a month left on the job.
00:31:07.820 Do you think he's ever held accountable for being, if not the mastermind,
00:31:12.460 the mini-me in all of this, to Dr. Evil?
00:31:15.280 Well, I want to go back to two words that you just said that resonate in my head
00:31:19.260 every single day, and that is move on.
00:31:22.340 Because you know that these weak rhinos, as we would call them,
00:31:27.340 these weak Republicans are going to say we need to move on.
00:31:31.820 The country needs to heal.
00:31:33.540 We need to move on from January 6th.
00:31:35.400 We need to move on from the prosecution and Jack Smith and everything.
00:31:39.580 No.
00:31:40.600 The reason how we got here is because there has been no accountability.
00:31:46.040 No one paid a price for Russia collusion, which was the biggest fraud perpetrated on the American
00:31:50.800 people in probably ever.
00:31:53.760 And it completely disabled Trump's first two years of his presidency.
00:31:57.560 No one held accountable.
00:31:58.880 No one held accountable for the made-up Ukrainian quid pro quo impeachment. 0.77
00:32:03.340 We can go down the list.
00:32:04.540 That cannot happen this time around.
00:32:07.460 And so that's my worry, not just with weak Republicans, but Donald Trump himself.
00:32:11.960 And I really feel that that will not be the case.
00:32:16.960 Merrick Garland, for his point, I'm not really sure what the retribution can be.
00:32:22.700 He still was held in contempt of Congress.
00:32:26.740 Could a DOJ pursue that? 0.64
00:32:29.000 Yes, they should.
00:32:29.880 But he shouldn't be the only one, because we have so many corrupt actors in the DOJ and
00:32:36.120 especially the FBI, and it needs to be fully investigated.
00:32:41.680 Charges need to be brought.
00:32:43.940 And I believe conspiracy to defraud charges, which is one of Jack Smith's charges against
00:32:49.260 Donald Trump, that needs to be used against not just bad actors in the DOJ and FBI, but
00:32:56.280 also J-6 select committee members who did what they did behind the scenes, then destroyed
00:33:01.700 evidence, trying to cover up their own malfeasance and criminality, all in service of betraying
00:33:08.580 and deceiving the American people about January 6th.
00:33:12.140 Often, I don't know if it's Jeffrey Clark, a former acting agent, or Mike Davis, but it's
00:33:18.120 a brilliant idea.
00:33:19.080 President Trump needs to come in and instill acting positions.
00:33:23.420 Yes.
00:33:23.720 Because they don't have to be confirmed, because what he did in 2016 was, and he took the high
00:33:28.140 road once again.
00:33:29.380 He listened to Reince Priebus, he listened to John Kelly, and he put in these people who
00:33:33.360 undermine him.
00:33:33.980 Jeff Sessions, probably a nice guy, guy's got no courage, he's got no gut, you know, they
00:33:41.580 come after President Trump and Russia, and he goes, I gotta go, I gotta go, and runs.
00:33:45.220 I mean, he's got to put in these people, he's got to bring in a Mike Davis AG, even if it's
00:33:49.920 for six months to get this ball rolling, he cannot continue to put in these bureaucrats
00:33:54.900 who are gonna sit there and do absolutely nothing.
00:33:58.100 Ted Cruz, I love the guy.
00:33:59.640 Would I put him in his AG?
00:34:00.800 Probably not, because it's just another go-along to get along.
00:34:04.480 These people always are looking for what's next, what's next on the totem pole, what's
00:34:09.200 next on the ladder.
00:34:10.060 He needs to put someone in who doesn't care about anything.
00:34:14.020 And I'm not saying break the law, because that's what these Democrats do, they break
00:34:17.460 the law.
00:34:18.060 I'm saying follow the law and prosecute these people.
00:34:21.300 Enforce the law.
00:34:21.940 And enforce the law.
00:34:23.460 And enforce the law that has been weaponized by this DOJ.
00:34:28.180 I was posting today, the DC Appellate Court, two judges who upheld the wrongful interpretation
00:34:34.080 of a common, with the most common misdemeanor in J6 cases.
00:34:38.540 These judges know that DOJ is intentionally misinterpreting statutes to criminalize political
00:34:45.600 dissent.
00:34:46.100 And then you have Democrat judges on the DC Appellate Court who uphold that.
00:34:50.680 Now, this, again, we'll get to the Supreme Court, just like 1512c2 obstruction of an official
00:34:55.720 proceeding, which was overturned by the Supreme Court, concluding that DOJ wrongfully prosecuted
00:35:01.960 hundreds of J6ers under that post-Enron felony. 1.00
00:35:05.580 The same will happen with this misdemeanor, but they don't care, because they're all in
00:35:10.380 cahoots with each other.
00:35:12.460 They are bastardizing nebulous statutes to criminalize political dissent.
00:35:17.380 And to your point, throw 67-year-old women in prison for a year. 1.00
00:35:20.780 She probably was convicted of this very same misdemeanor that the DC Appellate Court just
00:35:25.460 upheld today.
00:35:26.760 They don't care.
00:35:27.700 So you've created the laws now.
00:35:29.900 You've created the new rules of the game.
00:35:32.780 Then a Trump DOJ is going to do the very same thing.
00:35:36.480 And these judges who will put their imprimatur on the weaponization of the DOJ in these statutes
00:35:42.160 against Trump supporters now, guess what?
00:35:45.080 It's your side's turn.
00:35:47.240 Yeah, it's game on. 1.00
00:35:48.300 It's these lawyers are so damn corrupt. 1.00
00:35:50.460 I talk to them so often. 0.99
00:35:51.780 And Lou always used to tell me, keep them off the show as much as possible.
00:35:55.120 The ones we have to bring on, we'll bring them on.
00:35:57.060 Are you a lawyer, Julie?
00:35:58.480 I am not.
00:35:59.380 It makes perfect sense, Julie.
00:36:03.480 You're far too smart to be a lawyer.
00:36:05.240 I mean, I talked to some of these people and I questioned how they got to where they got
00:36:08.980 and what the hell is the bar that they pass to become what they've become?
00:36:14.160 Because a lot of them I talk, they're not bright people, Julie.
00:36:17.460 You explain things far better than perhaps any of these people and are probably far smarter
00:36:22.360 in terms of IQ points than maybe 95% of them because it's a group of deceptive people, Julie.
00:36:30.280 They're taught to lie and they're taught to defend liars and bad people. 0.95
00:36:34.500 So whatever kind of profession that is, I want to wrap up with Nathan Wade, speaking of a dirty lawyer 0.97
00:36:40.580 and his lover, Fonnie Willis.
00:36:43.360 We find out that Wade was in for a deposition with Jim Jordan's Judiciary Committee on October 15th
00:36:49.700 where he sort of spilled the beans.
00:36:51.520 So I'm not sure if they're still lover boy and lover girl, but Nathan Wade admitted that
00:36:58.320 he went to the White House before Fonnie Willis brought her case against President Trump.
00:37:03.880 Is that exactly ethical, Julie?
00:37:05.280 I'm not sure that it's unethical, but it is certainly contrary to what we have been told
00:37:13.600 by the Biden White House and DOJ, that these are separate investigations,
00:37:17.040 that the White House and the Biden regime had no influence in what Fonnie Willis decided to do.
00:37:22.760 That, of course, is not true.
00:37:24.520 So Nathan Wade, and this reporting came out after the Nathan Wade, Fonnie Willis love affair
00:37:31.440 was exposed by one of the defendants in that case, which is sweet irony.
00:37:35.900 But look, I also reported on this related to the classified documents case.
00:37:40.960 There is clear evidence of collaboration between the Biden White House, including his general counsel,
00:37:46.880 the National Archives, then other people at the DOJ to concoct this documents case against Donald Trump.
00:37:53.820 This dated back to the summer of 2021, before Donald Trump turned over any records to NARA
00:37:59.800 that allegedly belonged to the government.
00:38:02.640 So they were already working behind the scenes.
00:38:05.320 It looked, appeared to be a document destruction case that the Democrats at the National Archives,
00:38:13.760 the Democrats in the White House and Democrats at DOJ were trying to concoct against Trump.
00:38:18.080 And then that's how they ended up with the other indictment.
00:38:21.780 But anyway, the Biden White House fingerprints are all over this.
00:38:26.080 And of course, in the Georgia case, moving Matthew Colangelo from a top office at the DOJ down to Fulton County D.A.
00:38:37.100 No one does that.
00:38:38.300 No one does that unless you are following the marching orders from people at the top of the DOJ,
00:38:45.200 which it appears that that's what Matthew Colangelo was doing.
00:38:48.680 Now, doesn't it?
00:38:49.200 I know you're not an attorney, as we discussed.
00:38:50.940 You're far too smart to be one.
00:38:52.460 Well, doesn't this, I mean, amount to selective prosecution, which is highly illegal?
00:38:59.180 It is.
00:39:00.220 It definitely is selective prosecution.
00:39:02.560 I mean, we see that in the classified documents case.
00:39:04.940 Donald Trump, the only individual to face those sort of charges for withholding national security information,
00:39:14.180 while people like Joe Biden and Mike Pence and the others who did the same, no charges at all.
00:39:18.440 So, of course, it is selective prosecution.
00:39:21.720 So that's another example, John, of something that has to be fully vetted, investigated and people held accountable for that collaboration.
00:39:29.680 And the lies that Joe Biden, Merrick Garland and others said, which was that all of these indictments were operating,
00:39:37.520 all of these prosecutors were operating independently when we know for a fact that they were not.
00:39:42.180 For a second, Julie, I started to like Joe Biden because he, you know, he's turned on Kamala.
00:39:47.840 He can't stand her, in my opinion, and the opinion of a lot of smart people.
00:39:51.220 But then in the back of my mind, all I think about is what he's done to President Trump for absolutely no reason. 1.00
00:39:57.140 His son's a drug addict, crook. 1.00
00:39:59.320 He's a crook himself. 1.00
00:40:00.500 His family, his brother, they're all scum. 1.00
00:40:03.880 And President Trump is the only the only man who's been thrown, thrown under the carpet and thrown under the rug here, 1.00
00:40:09.100 who is actually a good man, who's actually a clean man, who's got a track record of just doing good for people.
00:40:14.980 And he's bearing the brunt for it.
00:40:17.640 You know, it just goes to show you, you know, don't run for president if you're if you're a good person.
00:40:23.060 Julie, you got the last word here.
00:40:25.160 Well, John, thanks again for having me on.
00:40:27.800 You're a great, great fill in for for Lou.
00:40:32.080 So thank you so much.
00:40:33.660 Look, I'll have more reporting on real clear investigations.
00:40:36.260 I also right there, my sub stack declassified with Julie Kelly.
00:40:39.500 But I will say my focus now is going to be the post-election period.
00:40:44.420 Donald Trump wins what the left, the Democrats and the media are prepared to do to keep him from taking office in January.
00:40:54.100 Interesting.
00:40:55.220 Julie, come back often and soon, please.
00:40:57.860 We truly appreciate your reporting and all you do for this great country.
00:41:02.360 I will.
00:41:03.040 Thanks so much, John.
00:41:04.500 Thanks to Julie Kelly.
00:41:05.600 And thank you all for being with us today.
00:41:07.480 Please be sure to join us back here tomorrow for The Great America Show as our quest for truth, justice and the American way continues.
00:41:14.480 We'll see you right back here tomorrow.
00:41:15.980 Same time, same place.
00:41:17.800 May God bless you.
00:41:19.100 May God bless America.
00:41:20.580 And may God bless the great Lou Dobbs.