On today's show, we are joined by the former Chief of Police in Washington, D.C., Steven Snyder, to discuss the events that took place on January 6th, 2019, when a man threw a Subway sandwich at a federal agent.
00:06:44.880So, President Trump, obviously not in favor of D.C. statehood as the Marxist Dems is just going to use it as a tool to try to get their Senate seats and congressional seats.
00:06:55.880He was also asked about this 30 day emergency proclamation on which he has D.C. under federal control.
00:09:07.880This is the garbage that we have to face under Marxist damn rule.
00:09:14.880By the way, also, the D.C. police are now cooperating with ICE agents to bring justice and bring in any illegal aliens in the city of Washington, D.C.
00:09:27.880Now, President Trump, with this move, is putting other states, other cities on notice.
00:09:33.880Attorney General Pam Bondi is set to revoke federal funding for California through President Trump if Gavin Newsom refuses to end his state's sanctuary policy for illegal aliens.
00:09:45.880Now, California is a whole mess of its own.
00:09:48.880Karen Bass, who's perhaps one of the worst mayors in America, she can't seem to understand why President Trump would send in the National Guard, why he would send in the army for such a safe city.
00:10:03.880You don't deploy the armed forces because of people's feelings.
00:10:57.880Still among the highest in the nation.
00:11:00.880Even if it dropped 50%, which it didn't, but even if it, hypothetically speaking, to try to reason, I guess, or make the Democrats' points make even a little sense.
00:11:11.880Even if crime went down 50% to the levels of the next highest state, which would be, I think, New Mexico, they're still higher than the next highest state.
00:11:50.880As I said, folks, in just a few moments on the other side of this quick break, I mean, very quick break, we're going to be joined by the former chief of Capitol Police, Stephen Sund.
00:12:02.880He also spent 25 years in the D.C. Metropolitan Police Department.
00:12:14.880His calls, his cries for help, Nancy Pelosi's denial of help, his time spent in Washington, D.C., him being fired just moments after January 6th unfolded, a rogue January 6th committee, and how President Trump is going to make Washington, D.C. great once again.
00:12:34.880He joins us on the other side of this quick break, folks.
00:12:44.880Chief Sund, it's a delight to have you on the show.
00:12:46.880We're four and a half years in the past of January 6th.
00:12:50.880And as we said before the show, it's the gift that keeps on giving.
00:12:53.880The Democrats can't seem to get away from it.
00:12:56.880Nancy Pelosi putting out a tweet the other day, which just like good old Nancy does stoking the fire.
00:13:05.880Donald Trump delayed deploying the National Guard on January 6th when our Capitol was under violent attack and the lives were at stake.
00:13:11.880Now he's activating the D.C. Guard to distract from his incompetence and mishandling of tariffs, health care, education and immigration, just to name a few blunders.
00:13:21.880And you had to come back at Nancy and hit her with, I guess what you can call a fact check and letting her know, ma'am, it's long past the last time, to be honest with the American people.
00:13:32.880On January 3rd, I requested the National Guard's assistant, but your sergeant at arms denied it.
00:13:37.880Under federal law, I was prohibited from calling them in without specific approval.
00:13:42.880That same day, Carol Corbin at the Pentagon offered National Guard support, but I was forced to decline it because I lacked the legal authority.
00:13:49.880On January 6th, while the Capitol was under attack and despite my repeated calls, your sergeant at arm again denied my urgent request for over 70 agonizing minutes.
00:13:59.880Running it up the chain, quote, for your approval.
00:14:03.880When I needed your assistance, it was denied.
00:14:05.880Yet when I suited up, you offered fencing topped with, I can't even say it, Constantine a wire, and surrounded the Capitol with thousands of armed National Guard troops.
00:18:59.880Every summer, D.C. has the Summer Crime Initiative where we bring in, you know, we work with our federal partners, FBI, DEA, and we develop these type of task force.
00:19:07.880So that's exactly what this is. So if you saw another city, a mayor, whether it's the mayor of Chicago, Mayor Bass in L.A., say, hey, I'm declaring a crime emergency.
00:19:17.880I need these resources. They would be applauded across the media spectrum.
00:19:21.880But this it's not the case. It's only because this came from the president and the president named Trump.
00:19:28.880So everyone now jumps on it. It's life and death. I've talked to D.C. police officers.
00:19:32.880I've talked to residents down in D.C. They all appreciate it.
00:19:35.880D.C. police are almost a thousand officers short.
00:19:38.880I think on paper they're showing right around eight, nine hundred.
00:19:41.880But then you got to take into consideration who's out on sick leave, who's out facing discipline.
00:19:45.880They're easily close to a thousand officers short. They need help.
00:19:49.880Yeah. And it's hard enough. As you said, there are a thousand officers short.
00:19:53.880And that's a problem that they're chief that they're having across the board in all states.
00:19:57.880I know three people who either I went to school with or family members who became NYPD officers and within six months left the job.
00:20:05.880This is a job. This is a job back in the day you'd wait five years to get the call for because you'd work your 20 years.
00:20:11.880You'd get your pension and need to go get, you know, a six figure salary job, you know, doing private security or whatever, you know, you're doing.
00:20:18.880People don't want to do it anymore because they're not respected. People spit on them.
00:20:23.880They shoot at them. You go up to a to a guy you just pulled over and you got to worry about him pulling a gun out on you and shooting you in the head, which we've seen here in New York.
00:20:31.880I mean, it's a shame that nobody has these people's backs yet.
00:20:36.880Time and time again, these police unions and these unions of organizations endorse these Democrats who constantly put targets on their backs.
00:20:46.880Does I mean, have we hit a crossroads where these people, these unions will finally wake up and say these people are a threat to our officers?
00:20:57.880Well, I know when you look at some of the some of the union responses, I know here in D.C., I think the police union union is in supportive of the actions that you're seeing out there because I know how short the law enforcement is.
00:21:10.580And you're absolutely right. I'm seeing less and less people going to law enforcement.
00:21:14.700I've been hesitant to recommend any anybody I know right now.
00:21:17.980It's still it's a it's a normal, noble profession. It's a great profession.
00:21:21.840You can do a lot with it, but it's been destroyed by poor policies, city councils that are taking away the rights of police and giving more rights to criminals and internal policies that are taking put in handcuffs on cops.
00:21:34.140They can't go out and do work. You know, 2020, we had a series of city council legislations passed in Washington, D.C.
00:21:41.220that really hamstrung the the police department.
00:21:43.640So you've got to change those those policies or you're going to continue to lose cops because when when the criminals have more rights than you do and you are subjective to either more criminal penalties, civil penalties or losing your job because you have no support, people are going to leave.
00:21:59.620Yep. You know, the sad part about it is, is they play politics with our lives, with everyone's lives who's, you know, a victim to these cities just at the sheer fact that Donald Trump wants it.
00:22:13.520And these people will literally let their cities, in my opinion, and we've seen in the past, will let their cities burn to the ground, to ashes just to not give him the satisfaction.
00:22:23.560And it's not even a satisfaction for him because I don't think he really cares about it, but the satisfaction of saying, listen, sir, you were right.
00:22:31.560Crime is rampant and we cannot control it.
00:22:34.580People don't understand outside of these blue cities when you tell them no bail.
00:22:39.280They say, what does that mean? You don't you don't get out of jail?
00:22:41.500Well, no, it's quite the opposite. You get out right away and you get out for free.
00:22:45.640People don't understand who are not living in New York or D.C. or California, the effects of what zero bail does for these thugs and criminals who are out on the streets in just hours after some of the heinous crimes you can do.
00:23:00.080You're absolutely right. Oftentimes, because there's so much paperwork that goes with a with an arrest, some of those criminals are out before the police officer finishes the arrest and can get back out on the street.
00:23:09.160But you're absolutely right. And really, a lot of the problems that we're seeing in Washington, D.C.
00:23:13.600goes back to some of the juvenile policies, the juvenile crime enforcement, the second chance policies, the youth rehabilitation policies that are out there because, you know, we're seeing carjackings through the roof.
00:23:27.740We had some young teenage girls kill an Uber driver and laugh about it because they don't feel there's any penalties and there's there's not right now.
00:23:35.940They get a slap on the wrist. You know, if you don't start correcting issues with your younger generations, you're going to have it.
00:23:42.520This is what develops. I mean, any parents are going to tell you if you don't if you don't instill discipline in your child, you're going to end up with problem later in life.
00:23:51.320We're human beings. I mean, I understand we've all done stupid things when we were younger.
00:23:55.200And, you know, I think there's a level on on stupid, you know, I think throwing an egg up here in New York when we were kids, you know, mischief night, you throw toilet paper on people's house and eggs.
00:24:07.420OK, that's something you get a slap on the wrist for. But when you're a 17 year old kid and you're walking into an Uber with a gun, I don't think that deserves to be charged as a minor.
00:24:16.200I don't consider that a mistake because that's a life changing activity that you're about to commit or that you've already committed.
00:24:23.380How do these people not see it? But someone who's just a layman to it can see that there's something wrong here and it needs to change.
00:24:33.220You know, the problem you have is you have some of these maybe special interest groups that are pushing some of the city council to turn to implement some of these policies.
00:24:41.240And that's where this begins to to go south. They're not paying attention to their to their citizens.
00:24:46.220They're not paying attention to the crime victims to see what needs to be done to to change this.
00:24:51.480In Washington, D.C., you know, you talk to a number of citizens. They're all a number of them are very happy.
00:24:56.700You have some coming out and there are some groups that are out there starting to protest against the cops doing it.
00:25:01.440These people are out there trying to keep your neighborhood safe. That makes no sense that they'd be doing that.
00:25:06.180And I can tell you right now, if this was an initiative that just came from Mayor Muriel Bowser, they wouldn't be out there protesting the cops.
00:25:21.020I want to go back to to January 6th a little bit because I was just able to find and pull up Julie Kelly, who does, I think, a terrific job of the January 6th events.
00:25:31.700So I've got the timeline here. I want to try to pull it up here for the audience so they can follow along with us to show them exactly what you're talking about, because the Democrats, Nancy Pelosi, these people have a very tough time with the truth.
00:25:45.540But there's one problem. When you bring receipts, it's hard to deny the truth.
00:25:49.920And it seems you're the one who really benefits here because there is receipts here.
00:27:31.5401970, it requires that the Capitol Police Board get leadership consent on any federal resources that are being brought in.
00:27:40.360So we knew he was going to have to run this up the chain.
00:27:42.040And he felt that he wasn't going to get it through, get it past her.
00:27:45.400And I suspect that that was because of some of her comments when the federal agents and the National Guard was rolled out onto the streets of a number of American cities during the 2020 mostly peaceful protests, that she referred to them as stormtroopers.
00:28:01.540So I think he was very concerned about what she would feel that the look of it would be.
00:28:06.580So he denied me and sent me over to Stenger and Stenger denied me.
00:28:28.380Yeah, and Walker, just so your viewers are aware, Walker was the commanding general of the D.C. National Guard, somebody I've known for a while.
00:28:35.880And he's also testified supporting all my facts.
00:28:39.480So then around noon that day, just a few hours later, Sun met with U.S. Capitol Police Head of Protective Services Bureau, Sean Gallagher, at the U.S. CP headquarters.
00:28:48.340Gallagher advised Sun that he had received the call from Carol Corbin, Program Director at the Department of Defense, who wanted to know if they'd be requesting the National Guard.
00:28:57.040Now, you've already requested it from them, so they should already know this.
00:29:00.640After having his request denied by Irving and Stenger, Sun asked Gallagher to tell Corbin, thank you, but this time we will not be requesting the National Guard.
00:29:09.520What that means is, again, by law, I cannot make that request.
00:29:13.320Actually, that request is supposed to come from the Capitol Police Board.
00:29:15.480But nonetheless, that request cannot be made by federal law to U.S.
00:29:19.7001970 without Capitol Police Board approval.
00:29:22.320So when Mike Stenger and Paul Irving, two of the three voting members of the Capitol Police Board, denied my request, it wasn't approved.
00:29:29.920So it had to be denied the offer from the Pentagon.
00:29:32.540And the other thing people don't realize is it's not like it's not like the if D.C. was a state, the governor could send them up to the Capitol or the mayor or somebody could say they really have to receive permission from Capitol leadership and the Capitol Police Board to come on to Capitol grounds.
00:29:48.020It's just it's part of the separation of powers and stuff like that with the legislative executive branch.
00:29:56.260So I had to deny the request from the Pentagon on the third.
00:29:59.360Eight hours later, that same day, January 3rd, son called Walker to ask what assistance the National Guard could provide if they were needed on January 6th.
00:30:08.420So eight hours later on that same day, three days before January 6th, you were still worried about what could possibly happen.
00:30:15.380Son told Walker that he did not have the approved declaration of emergency from the Capitol Police Board to make the request and that he was specifically asked to inquire unofficially so that he could lean forward on the request.
00:30:27.840So now later on in that day, still not heeding any warnings, don't really care to worry.
00:30:37.640on January 5th, son advised Urban of his conversation with Walker, telling him that Walker had assured him that the National Guard would be prepared to repurpose 125 troops and send them once Walker notified the secretary of arms.
00:30:49.740Ryan McCarthy, Capitol Police, would need to send someone over to the armory to swear them in, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
00:30:56.400Still now this is a day before still no approval, though, of the National Guard.
00:31:02.340So how do we get to the situation that it keeps going up and down, up and down, unofficial, official?
00:31:10.020Who ultimately is the one to keep denying this request?
00:31:14.520So for me, it has to go to the Capitol Police Board, the two sergeant arms.
00:31:19.020They're my gatekeepers to any information.
00:31:21.600I don't have direct access up to the leadership, up to Pelosi.
00:31:26.020Paul Irving kept very tight reins on that.
00:31:27.980So for me, it has to go to the Capitol Police Board.
00:31:31.180The Capitol Police Board then have to run the traps up through their officials.
00:31:35.140So the big question there is, what communications was Mr. Irving having with Speaker Pelosi at the time to really determine what was going on?
00:31:45.480What communications did he have with her?
00:31:47.260And what's sad is the January 6th Select Committee under Chairman Benny Thompson had made it and stated Speaker Pelosi and all her records were off limits.
00:31:57.980So, you know, we never got to see that.
00:31:59.780We never got to see what communications were happening, either before January 3rd or even on, I mean, before January 6th or even on January or even on January 6th while it was happening.
00:32:10.220And I know we're going to get into that timeline soon.
00:33:28.080I mean, as close as this wall behind me are representatives from the Capitol Police Board, one from Paul Irving's office, one from Mike Stenger's office and one from the architect of the Capitol's office.
00:33:36.640All watching the same thing I'm seeing and hearing the same thing I'm doing.
00:33:39.780So they're all aware of the of the calls and the repeating calls going in.
00:33:44.020Eleven calls, 71 minutes later at 209 p.m.
00:33:48.060Did Paul Irving finally give me approval to bring in federal resources?
00:34:08.500And clearly, I guess, a dire situation.
00:34:10.680It was so dire that the Democrats impaneled this whole January 6th committee to get to the bottom of it.
00:34:15.640But it seems they never got to the bottom of it because these records, I think, exonerate you and just about everybody else who's somehow implicated in this nonsense.
00:34:36.020Three days later, more than three days later, three days and a few hours later, after the events had unfolded, they finally approved the National Guard.
00:34:49.760It is sickening when you see what the officers had to go through and the delays and what your viewers need to consider is there was one hundred and fifty five National Guard troops with all their equipment in the trunks of their car within eyesight of the Capitol.
00:35:08.900General Walker had testified that he could have gotten there and help support the perimeter before they even broke the first window.
00:35:14.260And I appreciate you bringing up the the exoneration because Congress in their reports have said.
00:35:21.480And now these are the reports under Chairman Barry Loudermoke had said if the House, the House and Senate Sergeant Arms had approved son's request.
00:35:29.480Chances are the perimeter would have never been breached on January 6th.
00:36:04.400Speaker Pelosi, January 7th, went on national TV, singled me out as the leadership at the Capitol Police that allowed this riot to occur, lied about me.
00:36:16.820She said I'd never even called her since this occurred.
00:36:20.600One of them was with the vice president of the United States.
00:36:22.380And now that some of the video is coming out, you're seeing videos where he's saying he's with me as we're trying to talk about how we're going to get them back in the session.
00:36:44.280Yet these people have never faced justice.
00:36:46.500Why do we sit here four and a half years later and Nancy Pelosi has not has been able to hide behind the shield of Congress and the immunity of it?
00:36:55.780How do we sit here four and a half years later and we still have not had this lady answer one question?
00:37:01.760I don't know if she's mentally competent and this is not me being funny, but I've you know, I've watched her in interviews and she doesn't seem like she's all there.
00:37:09.760You know, we're all getting older and we hit that age at some point comes a time where you retire.
00:37:14.760And I think that's time for her. She doesn't seem coherent.
00:37:17.280She doesn't seem all the way there. But I still nonetheless want to see her answer some questions on why she purposefully,
00:37:25.500because that's what this was, mismanaged and mishandled this day for this to happen.
00:37:33.120Yeah. And when people, you know, when she goes out there and says she doesn't have a role in capital security,
00:37:38.760this tells you exactly both through influential role and statute, she does play a role in security on the capital.
00:37:48.780But the only thing I can I can hope for is now Speaker Johnson has impaneled another January 6th committee,
00:37:54.660continuing under Chairman Barry Loudermilk.
00:37:57.520And I believe that's supposed to start in September.
00:38:43.480So until I got approval of the of the National Guard, I was only on calls with both the House and Senate Sarge Arms.
00:38:50.280When I couldn't when I couldn't get their initial approval, I immediately started calling other law enforcement agencies because I saw my officers being overrun.
00:38:58.720D.C. police sent me a bunch of officers, Arlington, Fairfax.
00:39:03.200I started Montgomery County activated mutual aid.
00:39:06.240New Jersey State Police sent me resources.
00:39:08.480So I was making I mean, 32 phone calls, bringing in assistance.
00:39:11.860But it wasn't until 209 we get the final approval.
00:39:15.220Then I finally got onto a call with the Pentagon at probably 234 to try and need to start coordinating, getting in the getting in the National Guard.
00:39:22.500And that in itself was a whole a whole fiasco there.
00:39:24.980And but the mayor, that's when the mayor was on the call, the chief of police for D.C., Robert Conte, as well as a lot of the top brass from the military.
00:39:32.520You know, the sad part about it all, chief, is that you seem to be the only person that day who had a brain in your head.
00:39:37.780And deny the National Guard and that police mentality took over in your mind.
00:39:42.820Let me call backup from every other corner that I can get that I don't need approval for.
00:39:46.980Yet just hours later, you were the one who was fired.
00:39:50.140Nobody's looked into this to see where there's smoke, there's fire.
00:39:56.020You're probably the only person that day who actually did something, of course, you know, except for the rank and file guys who are out there on the front lines.
00:40:23.160No, I know Speaker Pelosi did not invite me to that ceremony, but I will tell you this.
00:40:27.220My officers were so upset that I that I wasn't included in February of 2023.
00:40:33.340They actually several of them, both sworn in swing, called me down with my family and issued me a replica on the west front of the Capitol.
00:42:06.180You've released multiple versions of this as information has come out.
00:42:11.160Tell us about the first version and how it's differentiated to the latest version where we're finally getting some sort of real information now that Benny Thompson and his gang of thugs are, you know, leading a fake January 6th committee.
00:42:29.360And I'll tell you, that book was was written over about 14 months, probably working about 12 to 16 hours a day sitting at the desk I'm at right now.
00:42:37.820And what I've always done is I've always done after action reports.
00:42:41.100Every time I've done a major event, I've been in charge of four active shooter incidents, everything from the Holocaust to the Navy Yard to the 2017 attack at the on the Republican national baseball, congressional baseball team, barricades, major, you know, inaugurations.
00:44:22.880For anyone who hasn't written a book, I unfortunately got tasked with writing a part of the last book that the great Lou Dobbs put out before he passed away.
00:44:31.680The Trump Century for anyone who hasn't written a book.
00:44:54.680Again, I just make sure you get the paperback.
00:44:56.720And I'll tell you, even if from our discussion, we've been talking about this 30 minutes, you think, you know, what went on January 6th, you've got no idea.
00:45:05.540There's still so many things that are coming out and that I talk about in the book, that when you put it all together, it just it was a fiasco.
00:45:15.540Yeah, I mean, when I say to you, I have a higher respect for you now than I've ever had.
00:45:21.600And I truly mean it when I say you seem like the only person who had a brain on that day.
00:46:19.540I'm going to pass that request along to some of my friends in the house to see if we can get the ball rolling on this because rights, wrongs need to be righted for what we've seen in Congress over the last four years.
00:46:30.920Disgusting things that this country should never have to go through again.
00:46:34.880Chief Stevenson, a delight to talk to you.
00:46:40.360Thanks to former chief of Capitol Police, Stevenson.
00:46:42.540And again, that book is Courage Under Fire.
00:46:45.560The definitive account from inside the Capitol available on Amazon, wherever you guys get your books.
00:46:50.620We'll put the link to get that book in the bio of this episode.
00:46:55.000If you guys are interested in reading it, we highly recommend it to you.
00:46:58.700As I said, one of, I think, the few people who had a brain on that day on January 6th to do the right thing when you had so many people apparently doing the wrong thing.
00:47:09.640Please be sure to join us back here tomorrow, folks, for The Great America Show, where the quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues against all odds, against all enemies, and all haters.