The Great America Show - THE LEFT’S PREOCCUPATION WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOWS HE’S AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THEIR REGIME AND AGENDA

00:00:00.000 Hello everybody and welcome to the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs and thanks for being with us

00:00:05.260 in what can only be described as a crazy week that we're having in America. A crazy election

00:00:12.280 last week, and I do mean crazy, but not as crazy as the Republicans who just don't seem to ever

00:00:18.460 learn. Marxist Dems cheat. They cheat. That's all there is to it. So the Republicans have a simple

00:00:26.040 choice. Either stop the Dems cheating or perhaps make a few adjustments of our own. What do you

00:00:32.240 think? But whatever we do, understand what we keep doing over and over again just doesn't work out so

00:00:39.900 well. So it's time to change what we do. The good news is that number 45 wants to be number 47.

00:00:48.100 And thank God, President Trump announcing he's running for president. Of course, that means the

00:00:53.600 Marxist Dems and Deep State will just go after him harder. But at least this time, we will and

00:01:00.300 truly understand what the corrupt and nasty Attorney General, Justice Department, and the FBI are.

00:01:08.860 And President Trump's in, Nancy Pelosi, is out. So far, so good. And the Republicans finally got her

00:01:17.120 fired as Speaker of the House. She announced she's giving up not only the Speaker's gavel,

00:01:22.300 but she's not going to run for any leadership job in the new Congress.

00:01:27.040 There is no greater official honor for me than to stand on this floor and to speak for the people

00:01:33.080 of San Francisco. This I will continue to do as a member of the House, speaking for the people of

00:01:39.740 San Francisco, serving the great state of California, and defending our Constitution.

00:01:45.740 And with great confidence in our caucus, I will not seek re-election to Democratic leadership

00:01:52.580 in the next Congress. Can't wait to learn which whacked out Marxist Dem is going to replace her

00:01:59.660 as Dem leader. Which brings up who will be Speaker. Maybe rhino Kevin McCarthy. He did,

00:02:05.720 after all, win the conference nomination. But he is a huge disappointment as minority leader.

00:02:11.400 And we may see other Republican leaders emerge. Andy Biggs has stepped up. Congressman Jim Jordan

00:02:18.060 says he doesn't want the job. And Congressman Jim Banks won't be in leadership because he refused

00:02:24.260 to endorse Donald Trump. So we'll just have to wait and see for a bit. But no waiting for the House

00:02:30.720 Republicans to take action. To their immense credit, Congressman Jim Jordan and James Comer

00:02:36.840 came out swinging. Jordan will be the House Judiciary Committee chairman. Comer will chair

00:02:43.080 the House Oversight Committee. Here's Comer announcing the committee has evidence that President Joe Biden

00:02:49.920 and his son Hunter engaged in criminal acts. And Congressman Comer makes it clear this is an

00:02:58.780 investigation of the President of the United States. This is an investigation of Joe Biden. The

00:03:05.640 President of the United States and why he lied to the American people about his knowledge and

00:03:09.080 participation in his family's international business schemes. National security interests

00:03:14.460 require the committee conduct investigation and we will pursue all avenues. Avenues that have long

00:03:19.860 been ignored. Committee Republicans have uncovered evidence of federal crimes committed by

00:03:24.680 and to the benefit of members of the President's family. These include conspiracy or defrauding the

00:03:30.900 United States. Wire fraud. Conspiracy to commit wire fraud. Violation of the Foreign Agents Registration Act.

00:03:39.900 Violations of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Violations of the Trafficking Victims Protection Act.

00:03:46.220 Tax evasion. Money laundering. And conspiracy to commit money laundering. The Biden family's business

00:03:53.120 dealings implicate a wide range of criminality from human trafficking to potential violations of the

00:03:59.040 Constitution. In the 118th Congress, this committee will evaluate the status of Joe Biden's relationship

00:04:04.500 with his family's foreign partners and whether he is a president who is compromised or swayed by foreign

00:04:09.480 dollars and influence. I want to be clear. This is an investigation of Joe Biden. And that's where the

00:04:16.940 committee will focus in this next Congress. And here is Congressman Jim Jordan on the FBI

00:04:22.380 and Biden corruption in the 2020

00:04:25.640 election. Here's the Congressman.

00:04:27.840 Is the FBI going to quit interfering with elections?

00:04:31.560 2016, they spied on

00:04:32.820 President Trump's campaign. 2018, it was the Mueller investigation. 2020, they suppressed

00:04:36.560 information about the Hunter Biden story. 2022, they raided the president's home

00:04:40.360 91 days before the election. Maybe it'd be nice

00:04:43.240 if the FBI and the Justice Department just stayed out of it and let

00:04:46.760 we the people decide who we think should represent us, who we think should lead us.

00:04:49.960 That's supposed to be how America works. So this is the focus on the Judiciary Committee,

00:04:54.480 the political nature of the Justice Department and the linkage now to what was happening with

00:04:58.820 the Hunter Biden story. Again, just 15 days before we have a presidential election.

00:05:05.820 The Republicans take over the House on January 3rd. Washington, I assure you,

00:05:11.380 will have a different atmosphere when the Republicans take over. And by then,

00:05:16.200 the question of who will be speaker and Senate leader should be settled. Right now,

00:05:21.220 it looks as though both McCarthy and McConnell have been bloodied but still standing. We'll see

00:05:27.400 what happens. Our guest today is the president of the Center for Renewing America, Russ Vogt.

00:05:34.600 He's a great American, former director of the Office of Management and Budget, deputy director

00:05:39.300 as well in the Trump administration. Russ, thanks for being with us here on The Great America Show.

00:05:45.420 Good of you to join us. And Russ, is Mitch McConnell entrenched as leader forever?

00:05:50.960 You know, I don't think he is. I mean, I think he just won a vote. But I think that, you know,

00:05:56.320 10 members, 10 senators, the fact that there was an opponent, that is significant. And

00:06:03.620 I do think that there are new questions that our members are going to have, even if their senators

00:06:10.960 voted for him. You know, it was not good for him that this occurred. And so, you know, I think

00:06:18.820 I'm not suggesting it's going to lead to fundamental change. But I do think that that, you know,

00:06:25.160 these have been significant events since the outcome of Tuesday, last Tuesday's election.

00:06:31.240 Um, and although I know that there's going to be a lot of folks disappointed that there

00:06:35.580 was only 10, um, you know, I think that's part of, of, of, of the process, uh, moving

00:06:41.600 forward. Uh, if, if this is, if by that is, I infer, uh, what you're saying here, if I infer

00:06:48.560 correctly, you, you're saying this is the first step in what could be, uh, the unwinding

00:06:54.340 of the Mitch McConnell dynasty. I think it's very possible. I mean, I think he's an incredibly

00:07:01.180 formidable, uh, leader in terms of keeping his conference together, but this happened. I mean,

00:07:08.680 Lou, this happened. There was, you know, a, a person that ran against him and they got 10 people

00:07:13.760 and those people, um, you know, most of them largely were, were out there talking about it.

00:07:20.000 So he's aware of, of who they are. And so, um, and, and the arguments I think that are out there

00:07:26.360 are, are, are obviously, you know, the grassroots knows them well. Um, and in terms of the, the need

00:07:34.740 to be running national issues, um, the need to support the issue, the people that are on the

00:07:39.880 playing field when you're in the middle of an election. Um, I think there's, I think the debate

00:07:44.840 is going to start to swirl. Um, and you know, they took this seriously and I think there's a reason

00:07:50.420 why they took it seriously because it's, it's a crack and no one wants a crack in the facade.

00:07:55.360 And the, the cracks are almost everywhere through the Republican party. Uh, Josh Hawley,

00:08:02.080 I think, uh, said it, I think he overstated it, no question. Uh, but I think he may simply have

00:08:09.240 been premature in what he said when he talked about the GOP being dead, uh, after this election,

00:08:15.760 because we, we watched the two leaders, uh, Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy retain their

00:08:23.780 leadership and their power over the conference, despite the fact that this will be the, uh,

00:08:30.040 arguably it will be the third, uh, it could be third, uh, slimmest margin in history. You'd have

00:08:38.820 to go back to, uh, to 1930 to find anything, uh, like this, a two seat majority back then,

00:08:47.060 a one seat majority in 1916, uh, for the Republicans. The Republicans seem to always have the records on

00:08:54.520 the smallest, uh, margin, but this is, this is outrageous. And then to retain control, they're

00:09:02.960 looking at best what, uh, three, perhaps four seat majority in the house. Uh, they'll be lucky to be

00:09:10.320 even in the Senate. Uh, and this, this makes no sense whatsoever to me. How about you?

00:09:17.600 It, it doesn't. Um, I would just say that there's never, there's, it's very rare for the cartel to have

00:09:23.800 consequences because the cartel exists for, to perpetuate the cartel. Uh, and it's largely on,

00:09:30.380 it largely is unconcerned about whether we can actually accomplish our policy objectives and

00:09:35.200 taking a broad, bold case and agenda to the American people. I, I would say McCarthy won a

00:09:41.600 vote yesterday to be nominated, but I honestly think Lou, that his speakership, um, has been

00:09:48.020 dealt a body blow, um, in terms of the, the, the main vote occurs in January. There were 36 members

00:09:55.020 who voted against them. Uh, most of those individuals, uh, are expected to pose them on

00:10:01.120 the floor. And so my expectation is that there will actually be real change in the house over

00:10:06.260 the next several weeks. The, the mainstream media is not reporting that yet. Uh, but that's

00:10:10.680 my expectation in, in, in the, in the weeks ahead. Um, but you're right, the large, to, to,

00:10:15.620 to Senator Hawley's main point, uh, we got a long way to go, uh, to be able to trust what a party,

00:10:26.000 to be able to articulate and not hate an agenda that's, that's supported by its voters and not

00:10:32.740 to hate their voters. Our side has this fundamental problem, which is that our party leadership

00:10:39.320 thinks that our voters are a bunch of people who don't know what they're doing and are ignorant

00:10:45.760 and are not sophisticated and just don't know how the way the world works. And yet they're the ones

00:10:52.360 that are actually in the factories and teaching in the schools and do know the way the world works

00:10:58.100 because they've had to deal with budgets. They've had to deal with what their kids are being taught

00:11:03.640 in schools. Um, they've had to deal with a host of real world implications and they just don't have

00:11:10.680 a party that ever resonates with. And I think that's the importance of our America first movement

00:11:15.480 right now is creating the institutions. Our, ours is, is humbly trying to be one of those organizations

00:11:21.720 that does not allow the party to go back to the, the definition of conservatism that we've had

00:11:27.960 over the last 50 or 60 years. Well, I, Russ, I've got great respect for you and what your center is

00:11:34.520 doing. Uh, the center for renewing America folks, by the way, uh, it is, it is to me a, a, a peculiar

00:11:43.160 moment in history when we have so many extraordinary, profound, even existential issues before us that

00:11:54.360 have to be dealt with challenges, threats, they call them what you will, but we're not hearing much

00:12:01.160 discussion about the, the, the fabric of the nation, the foundation of the economy, the, uh, the,

00:12:07.720 the United States of America, you know, something funny, Russ, have you noticed people don't say

00:12:13.160 United States anymore? They say America, but they don't say United States. Uh, and it's an interesting,

00:12:20.120 uh, to me void in the public, uh, uh, dialogue. Don't you think? I do. I mean, we've got a host of,

00:12:31.000 of channels. Look, the fundamental thing that I think ties the America first, uh, movement together

00:12:38.360 is the notion of a nation. We're a country, we're a people, and we need to be coherent. We need to have,

00:12:44.920 we need to understand that we have interests, that we, uh, have particular institutions that

00:12:50.360 need to be protected, a historic, historical past that informs how we ought to be as a people.

00:12:58.120 And the left wants to tear all that apart. They want multiculturalism. They want open borders. They

00:13:04.920 want globalism. And they have basically created it so that any one of us who ever, uh, decides to,

00:13:12.920 to have a different view and go back to an older version of conservatism, uh, is somehow called

00:13:18.920 a nasty name, like a racist or a bigot, or a Christian nationalist, or, you know, something

00:13:23.560 along those lines. And that's, we're up against, but I think the good news is the country, uh, knows

00:13:30.600 that, uh, you know, the stakes and knows the games that the other side is playing. We've just got to

00:13:36.760 figure out how to be able to prove that Republicans are actually doing what Donald Trump did, which was

00:13:43.800 being militantly committed to the promise that he makes in an election and then comes through with it

00:13:48.440 when he was actually governing. And we now have candidate president Donald J. Trump in the race for

00:13:58.840 2024. Uh, for millions of us, we consider him still to be the president. Uh, he, we consider the race to

00:14:07.400 be, have been rigged, uh, it to have been an illegitimate, uh, uh, election. Uh, he is a president

00:14:14.440 in waiting and, uh, and a absolutely offended, uh, citizen of the United States who is denied, uh, due

00:14:22.840 to process and what is reasonable for any candidate or person in this country to expect candidate or

00:14:29.720 voter. And that is a, uh, a fair election, uh, devoid of anomalies, irregularities, and or fraud.

00:14:39.560 Uh, so how do you feel about having the standard bearer, uh, of, for 2024, uh, being

00:14:47.240 number 45? Uh, I'm really excited about it. It's something that I, I kind of had an inkling that he

00:14:54.760 was going to do. Um, and I was hoping for it and I would have been supportive of, of it, of course,

00:15:00.760 and really it comes down to me. It's just on two fronts. Lou, I think that he's number one,

00:15:07.560 the right person for the job. I don't trust anyone else. Like I do him because I saw him up close and

00:15:12.680 personal. I saw him, uh, this restlessness on behalf of the American people to do what he said

00:15:19.400 he would do, um, to defy paradigms that have existed in this place for decades and to go back

00:15:26.920 to how a constitution that could actually work. And so, uh, I think it's been very unfair the way

00:15:33.720 that he's been maligned. He's been persecuted to be honest. I don't know how you can find another

00:15:38.600 word when you think of the, I don't use another word. I use persecuted. We're in the seventh year

00:15:44.600 of the political persecution of Donald Trump. Exactly. And, and so, you know, the, the extent

00:15:50.760 of which he has absorbed arrows on behalf of the American people, he is a, he can, he is and continues

00:15:57.080 to be in the left proves this with a preoccupation, a, uh, existential threat to their regime. And so that

00:16:05.800 by definition, in my mind is why he's the person for the job. And there may be great people out

00:16:10.840 there. And I think there are, that could make a great president someday people who are very good

00:16:15.320 governors and very good senators. The reason why I'm supporting Trump is because of that trust that

00:16:21.880 I have that he is the most likely because I've seen it to, to smash paradigms and to get a handle

00:16:28.760 on a woke and weaponized government that is against us. And then politically, I think he's the only one

00:16:34.520 that truly will force an agenda that appeals to the blue collar workers, the independence,

00:16:41.400 your former Ross Perot voters, your Donald Trump voters in 2016, in Pennsylvania, in Michigan,

00:16:48.440 across the country. Now, do we have a lot of issues to deal with election wise? Yes,

00:16:52.840 I haven't fully processed the last election about what was going on in the ground. But I can tell you,

00:16:58.600 we did not win the air war, uh, when it came, not, not referring to kind of ads,

00:17:04.600 but referring to the high ground of what you're fighting for. That did not happen. And I do not,

00:17:09.160 I am confident that would not happen in 2024 with president Donald Trump.

00:17:14.280 I think that he will insist on that, uh, focus on that, uh, the issues that are the policy issues

00:17:21.720 that are most important. You're talking about, he broke, uh, paradigms and, and orthodoxies,

00:17:27.000 I think as well, which, which are you referring to with the greatest, uh, delight that he did smash?

00:17:35.320 Well, you know, a, a, a militant consideration of the border, uh, being an absolutely important

00:17:42.920 one. I'm very focused on foreign policy and this, we have a neoconservative consensus that is designed

00:17:48.760 to get us into these wars and really tricking the American people into them. And we would not be on

00:17:55.000 the brink of nuclear confrontation in Ukraine, uh, over their terror and non NATO member territorial

00:18:01.800 integrity. If this was Donald Trump, we just wouldn't number one, Russia would not have moved,

00:18:06.600 but, but this preoccupation that exists as if that, you know, Vladimir Putin is the same thing as

00:18:12.760 the Soviet union. As a result, we need to think through everything from the standpoint of this being

00:18:17.880 World War II, uh, is just, is killing us as a country. And there are a host of, of implications,

00:18:24.360 but on trade, this notion that, you know, the consumer is always right, that we're not a nation

00:18:31.960 be, be that is more important than our economy. And that the extent to that we need to make decisions

00:18:39.080 on the basis of what's good for the, the country and there, the economy needs to be strong,

00:18:44.920 but we need to have manufacturing here. We need to make sure that these, you know,

00:18:49.240 if there's a trade deal that they don't have the, the, the notion that they need to be assessed and

00:18:54.840 that, that these aren't basically written by, you know, uh, multilateral organizations and,

00:19:00.840 and big corporations who seem to be the only ones that know how and what is in them. And then they get

00:19:06.040 fast track consideration in the house of representatives. So there's, you know,

00:19:10.200 all of these big issues that were previously off the table, but I'll give you another one.

00:19:15.480 He, in the middle of a campaign, uh, in which he was going to have to defend it in, in, in debates,

00:19:21.080 he got rid of critical race theory training. I mean, no other Republican would have ever done that.

00:19:26.600 They would have, they would have said, oh, maybe I'll deal with it next year. He wouldn't even let me

00:19:30.760 wait from a Friday through a weekend to get to Tuesday. He said, no, we're going on a Friday

00:19:36.040 afternoon. We're going to get rid of this. We're going to cease and desist this. That's just the

00:19:39.720 kind of urgency that I'm talking about. But there's a host of paradigms that I, that I was able to

00:19:45.320 witness, you know, moving the, the, the embassy to Jerusalem, huge issue. And yet everyone's internally

00:19:51.400 said it would, it would create a massive conflict. And it didn't, he did it because he, he, he had,

00:19:58.520 he had studied it before he made the commitment. He made the commitment and he delivered on it.

00:20:03.000 You know, it's amazing. You look back at that, that, that litany of names, uh, that have won

00:20:08.440 the Nobel peace prize for what they did in the middle East. And not a single one of them deserves

00:20:12.680 it because peace was never the result of what they did. What president Trump did was absolutely

00:20:20.360 transformational to use one of my friend, Barack Obama's favorite words. Uh, he did change the shape

00:20:26.840 and the direction of, uh, that region of the world. Uh, I think you're exactly right. And this president

00:20:34.760 doesn't get credit for so much. I mean, he did a little small, tiny things, uh, like seek the,

00:20:41.320 seek balanced trade. Imagine that it took Donald Trump, a populist, uh, conservative, uh, president of

00:20:49.000 the United States to insist that we have balanced, uh, international trade systems. Your thoughts.

00:20:55.800 No, I mean, I would add China to the list. I mean, he, he changed the entirety of our country's

00:21:01.800 perspective with regard to the threat of China. And that wasn't just done from the standpoint of

00:21:06.680 beginning to get us prepared militarily. That was getting us to understand the economic, uh, war that

00:21:14.680 we are in with that particular adversary, the way they steal our companies, uh, the way they take

00:21:20.760 advantage of us and the, the putting on the use of tariffs. I mean, he, he made the use of tariffs

00:21:27.560 when it came to China, uh, a bipartisan issue. And so, uh, you know, uh, just a host of paradigm

00:21:34.360 shifters, um, and that you look back on and you just know that what's necessary to change the country

00:21:40.520 and restore it and renew it. Uh, there's a lot of work to be done, but being able to have those

00:21:45.720 conversations is just, you know, uh, I know that those conversations are always, uh, within the

00:21:53.320 bounds of what can be discussed and, and, and, and, and proposed with that, with that particular

00:21:58.600 president. Absolutely. And, uh, he, he's a man who will listen widely, uh, not simply narrowly or,

00:22:06.920 you know, with, uh, the, the, the voices at hand, uh, which I, I, for which I commend him. Uh,

00:22:13.400 others would criticize him for that. But as we, as we look at, at what is happening in the world,

00:22:19.080 we're, we're ridden with political conflict right now in this country. Uh, the country is, uh, in a

00:22:26.120 place we haven't been in, well, since 1860 to be straightforward about it. And in terms of public

00:22:33.800 policy, we're a confused and confounded lot, uh, our leaders, our elites, if you will, uh,

00:22:41.160 because I'm talking, I'm calling them elites to satisfy their own egos. I'm not necessarily

00:22:46.520 referring either to their talent or the capacity, but our Washington DC right now doesn't have a grip,

00:22:55.080 an intellectual grip on what is happening to this country and what the way forward looks like,

00:23:00.120 in my opinion, yours. I think that's entirely accurate assessment. Um, the way I like to talk

00:23:06.440 about it is that, um, they have no idea what time it is in this country. Of course, the left doesn't,

00:23:12.760 you don't expect them to, they're the ones that are fostering it, but I expected of the right,

00:23:17.000 I expect the right to have an understanding that we are losing our country and not to be excited or

00:23:23.480 just to just gradually accept that this is the way it's always going to be that all, all we're

00:23:29.960 really going to be able to do is change things at the margins, be able to adjust tax, tax revenues

00:23:34.760 here and there and have this deregulatory, uh, initiative or that. That's what I'm so worried

00:23:42.440 about is that there's just not a recognition by the elites on the right to the gravity of what we face.

00:23:50.120 I mean, we have, it's not the categories that we're talking about. These are not corporations.

00:23:55.560 They are arms of the regime. They are, they have been private. We, the government has privatized

00:24:01.480 its coercive ability to regulate speech into the, the hands of corporate America. And we saw that in

00:24:08.520 COVID and we see that in the diversity push through the HR departments. And so at a certain point,

00:24:15.320 you have to change your categories of how you think of the world. Same thing with our security agency,

00:24:20.600 just because it has national security as part of his job description doesn't mean it's actually

00:24:24.200 trying to keep the people safe. And there may be parts of it that do, but the NSA surveils us,

00:24:30.280 the FBI investigates us. And all of that is something that we're seeing more and more data points.

00:24:38.120 And, you know, we have Jeff Clark, who's part of our organization. He's dealing with us on a day

00:24:44.280 in day out basis from the persecution of the FBI. I think parents, pro-life activists are seeing this

00:24:50.600 in their communities. And so this is a dangerous place that we're in. We're in a cold civil war.

00:24:57.480 We have a government that's against us. And it requires people who can identify like,

00:25:06.040 this is not the 1980s and the 1990s. We need to address the threat and use all the tools that we

00:25:11.320 have constitutionally available. And yet we have folks that aren't even willing to use the power of

00:25:18.440 the purse to defund these agencies. So there's a lot of work to do. I'm most worried about the fact

00:25:23.640 that the elites are not there yet on the right, but we're getting them there. I like to say that

00:25:31.480 we're going to push you into oncoming traffic. We'll do as much as we can to clear the lane for you,

00:25:36.360 but we're going to push you into the middle of the road. Yeah, this is a time to get very honest.

00:25:45.000 One of the things, and so many sort of sacred myths exist for the right, including neoconservatism,

00:25:57.400 as you referenced it. The neoconservatives are still very much a power and influence,

00:26:04.280 a driver within the Republican Party. And they are there like crows on a telephone wire,

00:26:12.040 waiting for their opportunity to sweep in and to lead this nation into a direction that should be the

00:26:22.920 last direction we ever take. And that is toward war. But we are already hearing them. They're

00:26:30.120 they're clawing in the background now, as we have the, you know, are the airborne 102,000 troops on the

00:26:39.640 eastern flank in Europe. For what purpose? For what purpose? Because it's madness what this president has

00:26:48.760 unleashed. And that's not a partisan state, but it is a statement of geopolitical fact, don't you think?

00:26:55.960 I do. And, you know, there is a battle on behalf of the in the foreign policy community over

00:27:05.400 the views of Donald Trump and America first and to suggest that, you know, it was it was all just

00:27:12.200 kind of repackaged neoconservatism, but no, nothing really ever changed. And so you have all the people

00:27:18.440 that were, you know, oh, yeah, I support I support the president's foreign policy in the last

00:27:22.840 administration. But then they're out there leading the cheerleading for us funding Ukraine for the

00:27:29.160 next several years and continuing to let their, you know, not get to the negotiating table.

00:27:35.640 And so it's, you know, it's a huge problem. And so that's one of the reasons why,

00:27:39.880 and it's dangerous. I mean, we were in a dangerous spot yesterday. Think about how dangerous it was

00:27:45.240 if the conflict had caused that missile to have been coming from Russia into Poland, and it had

00:27:57.160 been done by the, you know, Russia as a country. What a mess. And yet they were having the conversation

00:28:04.520 about consultations under NATO. I mean, that's the that's the wheels that start to turn when you allow

00:28:10.760 this type of conflict to fester and to and not get people to have cooler heads to get to the

00:28:16.520 negotiating table. And this is a, you know, something that we need to change paradigms in

00:28:21.960 foreign policy. And we're not there yet. I think it's it's insane of us to have an impaired

00:28:28.520 president who is really a puppet for the the Marxist dim cabal. But he, to his credit,

00:28:35.640 in one moment, yes, on Tuesday, said, you know, replying to reporters questions that the trajectory

00:28:45.480 did not appear to be from Russia. And he left that sentence alone, he'd let it speak for itself.

00:28:52.280 And it was correct. Even as the news organizations were trying to gin up, and I mean, they did it

00:28:58.520 immediately. That that missile originated in Russia. And if anything, it may have been shot. No, that

00:29:06.760 missile didn't did not originate in Russia, the president had it right. He had that moment of

00:29:14.680 lucidity, for which I do want to credit him, because there have been very few your thoughts.

00:29:20.600 I think you're hitting on a subtle point there, which is he's not strong enough to change the

00:29:25.960 direction of the policy vis a vis Ukraine, and he may be unwilling to. But I do think that there's

00:29:32.040 an aspect of him that wanted to get out of Afghanistan and and is very concerned about

00:29:38.280 escalation in in the situation with Russia. And so, you know, I think he's probably empowered

00:29:44.200 certain parts of his administration, perhaps Bill Burns at CIA. But he lacks the strength. And so when he

00:29:50.920 makes a decision like the Afghanistan withdrawal, it's just a complete fiasco, because he manages it

00:29:57.000 unlike the way Donald Trump would, which is our interest in mind are going in and when we come

00:30:02.760 out of a country. And so it's a really subtle point, because I think you're right, he deserved credit for

00:30:08.680 some for keeping the temperature down yesterday. But it gets to the underlying weakness of him

00:30:17.160 and his inability to change the the paradigms that they are, you know, the kind of bipartisan blob is

00:30:23.720 continues to push in that direction. And of course, the Republican Party has its own tremendous

00:30:31.080 burdens that it totes with us down the campaign trails, and they try to keep it hidden in the shadows.

00:30:38.280 But one of the most difficult issues for the for the right is United Citizens. But what

00:30:46.680 your reference to corporate America, that it was just fine when it was aligned with the right,

00:30:51.640 but now it's aligned with the left. And it is in point of fact, a fifth column in this country,

00:30:56.520 as far as I'm concerned, and insidious in its influence. Your views on United Citizens,

00:31:04.200 and whether it's time for us to look at that decision, and the policies that flow from it?

00:31:10.200 Yeah, it's an interesting question. I haven't thought through the implications of that

00:31:15.640 of decision as it pertains to the new world we're in. But it's something that we, you know,

00:31:21.320 I will think about it, I am really concerned about the the problem of the big multinational

00:31:28.520 corporations and the fact that, you know, the libertarians out there say that we can't ever

00:31:33.480 have a conversation about the corporate statutes that they rely on to great to such great benefit. And so

00:31:40.200 that's where my mind has largely been. I mean, in my mind, you've got these corporations that get a

00:31:47.800 benefit. It is a benefit. It's not a free market from that standpoint, they're getting liability

00:31:53.880 protection, and then they go and make decisions that have no bearing on the nation that gave them

00:31:58.840 that liability protection. I think that's wrong. And, you know, the easiest place to draw the line is you

00:32:04.680 shouldn't be able to use that liability protection and then rely on on slave labor in China. I mean,

00:32:12.040 that's pretty easy. But there's a host of other questions that need to arise in terms of the

00:32:18.520 extent to which, you know, they're going to bring jobs back to this country and make sure that we,

00:32:26.120 the nation is strong, the nation that gives them the benefit. Is it strong? And that's not to go down

00:32:31.400 down a liberal path with regard to some of the things that the left has proposed. But it's just

00:32:37.720 a basic common sense that we would have had in the 50s or the 40s, where our CEOs would just have

00:32:44.920 automatically already loved the country. So you knew that when they made a business decision, yeah,

00:32:50.760 they were trying to maximize profits for their shareholders, which we want them to do. But yeah,

00:32:55.880 you're still an American company. And so that comes with it. And so if you actually go back and even

00:33:01.000 read Milton Friedman, he would accept the grounds of the of their needing to be this moral basis that

00:33:08.120 has been eroded. And we are where we are, we lack the moral basis. And yet, there are many voices that

00:33:14.120 say, okay, with the lack of that moral basis, you don't have the ability to talk about where the

00:33:18.520 corporations need to be reformed and how they're constituted. I think one way to say it, too, is Milton

00:33:25.000 Friedman was a patriot when it comes to fiscal policy, and a militant when it comes to monetary

00:33:31.080 policy. The United Citizens deal, I had a professor who, you know, you may not like this professor

00:33:41.480 in his economics, but in his philosophy, in his partisanship. But John Kenneth Galbraith insisted

00:33:48.360 that we always look at countervailing influences in macroeconomics and public policy. And there is

00:33:56.760 no countervailing influence on these awesome oligopolies that we have allowed to just spring

00:34:04.440 up around us, whether they be in technology, whether they be in banking, whatever the industry or the

00:34:11.640 sector. And then we don't tax them because some some fools decided that, you know, they must be

00:34:19.400 right. Well, all we'll do is just pass along those taxes to the consumer. What's the point of taxing

00:34:25.000 us? Well, the point is very straightforward. They pay their fair share. Where they get that share is

00:34:32.120 a matter of finance, not economics, nor should it be public, you know, a concern for public policy

00:34:40.040 beyond what is staring everyone in the face. We are giving corporations a free ride, a free reign,

00:34:47.640 and it's time to shut it down because their political influence, as well as their economic

00:34:53.960 concentration is overwhelming. And I'm saying that as a conservative, I'm not a liberal. I'm there's

00:34:59.000 nothing about me that's a liberal. So what do you think? I think you're right. And I think the easiest

00:35:05.960 place that people who wouldn't agree with us would have to agree with us is big tech. I mean,

00:35:12.600 how do you they literally intervene in elections and are suppressing speech all over the place. And

00:35:20.440 so, you know, thankfully, Elon is is making a ton of reforms at Twitter. And so maybe that may not be

00:35:26.760 as much of a problem. But these are arms of the regime. They're enormous. Our founders would have

00:35:32.600 also been very concerned about the size of the companies. Big isn't necessarily bad. But when

00:35:38.040 you get to the size of these companies that are rivaling GDPs of other countries, it's kind of a

00:35:43.640 problem. And, you know, you've got to think that through. And these these are the types of I don't

00:35:49.560 have all the answers, Lou, but I do know that these are the types of questions that we need to be talking

00:35:53.560 now. Well said. And I love the way you said that, because none of us has all the despite, you know,

00:36:01.800 some of the claims by some of the most extraordinary people there. There is no one who has all of the

00:36:08.120 answers. And we've reached a point in our public discourse debate, whatever you want to call it, in which

00:36:16.520 the people are shutting down free speech, they're shutting down exchange of exchanges of views and

00:36:24.600 and perspectives. And and the public arena is no longer as no longer as fertile as it once was.

00:36:31.480 You expect a lot to emerge from the political engagement in the arena. And so little does other

00:36:40.120 than anger and obscene rhetoric and very little in the way of change that is necessary for a great

00:36:49.880 republic to continue to prevail against all forces arrayed against it. I just want to say it's so

00:36:58.200 good to talk with you. I appreciate it so much and all the work that you and the center are doing.

00:37:03.240 Uh, God bless you. And we always give our guests the last word, uh, your concluding thoughts, if you

00:37:09.880 will. No, I really appreciate the kind words for, you know, someone like you that's been a leader in

00:37:14.840 this to see the value of what we're doing, uh, is a great encouragement to us. And we're always thrilled

00:37:20.360 to come on the podcast and share, uh, what we're doing and, and, and where we believe the fight is

00:37:25.720 because the hour's late and there are a few here in DC, but there are many across the country that want

00:37:31.880 to save this country and we've got to get about the business of doing so. Russ Boat,

00:37:36.920 Center for Renewing America. Thanks everybody for being with us today. Remember you can follow me on

00:37:43.000 social media at Lou Dobbs on Twitter, Truth Social and Getter. The handle again is at Lou Dobbs,

00:37:50.440 at Lou Dobbs. And join us here tomorrow when we'll be joined by Chris Farrell, Judicial Watch.

00:37:56.600 Thanks until tomorrow. God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - November 18, 2022

THE LEFT’S PREOCCUPATION WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP SHOWS HE’S AN EXISTENTIAL THREAT TO THEIR REGIME AND AGENDA

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