The Great America Show - December 12, 2022


THE MARXIST DEM PARTY MEANS TO DESTROY AMERICA, AND THERE’S NO WAY REPUBLICANS WILL BE BI-PARTISAN IN HELPING THEM ACHIEVE THEIR GOAL


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Rep. Scott Perry (R-Ohio) joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss his new role as chairman of the Freedom Caucus and why he's running against Rep. Kevin McCarthy for the speakership of the House of Representatives.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:03.380 I'm Lou Dobbs, and thrilled to have you with us here today.
00:00:06.940 We'll be talking about realities that many, if not most, Americans seem to want to deny
00:00:12.700 or to avoid or escape or ignore altogether.
00:00:17.000 Some of us are still walking around muttering to ourselves in private moments about those
00:00:22.080 midterm elections that once again prove Republican leaders and strategists and campaign gurus,
00:00:28.340 or at least most of them, are mostly inept and somewhat complete frauds.
00:00:33.480 How else do we get from a forecast of a giant Republican tsunami to maybe a red wave, to
00:00:40.540 what turns out to be a resigned goodbye wave to the Senate?
00:00:44.720 But hey, that's over now.
00:00:46.160 Now we get to listen to House Republicans, who were elected to represent the voters, decide
00:00:51.520 which liberal rhino they want to lead them.
00:00:54.600 To be buddy-buddy with Chuck Schumer and pal-around with Joe Biden.
00:00:59.400 Get to know the new Marxist M. House Minority Leader, Hakeem Jeffries.
00:01:04.000 People wonder why nothing changes in the swamp.
00:01:07.440 Well, there's a simple answer.
00:01:09.220 Because Republicans keep turning to rhinos.
00:01:12.680 They keep turning over their majority conferences to the most liberal Republicans.
00:01:17.620 It's that simple.
00:01:18.660 And oh yes, they keep listening to the sometimes articulate, always certain, and seldom right
00:01:25.880 Karl Rove, who's peddled the same nonsensical ideas for two decades and reports to the same
00:01:33.040 oligarchs that he always has. 1.00
00:01:35.680 And now most of the fire-breathing, tough-guy Republicans who did manage a Slim House majority
00:01:41.280 want to turn it all over to another talentless, obsequious rhino. 1.00
00:01:46.380 Kevin McCarthy, comfortable in the halls of power because he's hand-picked and meticulously
00:01:53.440 groomed in his cloying manner by none other than the cloying, ultimate rhino loser, Paul
00:01:59.620 Ryan.
00:02:00.680 McCarthy will do exactly what he's told to do.
00:02:04.300 And how?
00:02:05.280 By the Chamber of Commerce, the Business Roundtable, Big Tech, Wall Street, and the oligarchs.
00:02:11.100 Congressman Andy Biggs, the co-founder of the Freedom Caucus, is running against Kevin
00:02:17.060 McCarthy for the speakership.
00:02:19.020 So there's some hope that Republicans will stiffen their spines and stand up for their
00:02:24.500 constituents and the country.
00:02:26.860 It is time to fight for this republic, against these Marxist Dems who mean to deliver on Obama's
00:02:33.840 promise to fundamentally transform America.
00:02:38.060 One of those in Washington who's a vigorous opponent to those Marxist Dems is Congressman
00:02:43.360 Scott Perry.
00:02:44.800 Congressman Perry sits on two of the most powerful committees in Congress, the Appropriations
00:02:50.040 Committee and the Rules Committee.
00:02:52.500 He's also the chairman of the Freedom Caucus, and it's great to have you back with us here
00:02:56.380 on the Great America Show.
00:02:58.580 So Congressman Perry, here we go.
00:03:00.340 Andy Biggs fighting Kevin McCarthy for the speakership.
00:03:04.680 There's a fight for the heart and soul of the GOP as well.
00:03:08.680 RNC Chair Ronna McDaniel is in a fight to keep her job, a job she thinks she deserves, apparently, 1.00
00:03:15.280 despite all of her failures.
00:03:17.260 The states of Texas and Arizona want her out, among others. 1.00
00:03:21.120 How goes the fight?
00:03:22.560 All of those fights, from your point, Congressman.
00:03:26.160 Well, let me characterize it for you, Lou.
00:03:28.800 You know, I'm not Einstein, but Einstein said doing the same thing over and over again and
00:03:33.520 expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity.
00:03:37.360 So what we're poised to do right here in Congress is, of course, keep the same leadership
00:03:42.620 team under the same conditions with the same circumstances in the country, yet we're all
00:03:46.880 expecting a different outcome.
00:03:48.720 And while that's nice to hope for something to change, I think you've got to do more than
00:03:53.880 hope.
00:03:54.340 My constituents, my bosses sent me here because they don't like the way things are going and
00:04:00.600 they want a voice in that.
00:04:01.780 And more importantly, they want something to change.
00:04:05.360 And so we're having conversations along with that.
00:04:09.820 And of course, unfortunately, there are many here.
00:04:12.740 You know, look, this is Washington, D.C.
00:04:14.320 There's a lot invested in keeping things just the way they are, because let's face it, everything
00:04:19.680 around this town works great for the town.
00:04:22.120 But you go 50 miles away from this town, any direction in the country, and you see people
00:04:26.520 that are struggling to get by.
00:04:28.260 You see their freedoms being taken away every day, whether it's a school board meeting,
00:04:32.280 whether it's something they want to say in the public space online, or whether it's at
00:04:36.860 the gas station or the grocery store, where they have an inability to afford the basic
00:04:42.380 necessities that a free country should, you know, should offer them the opportunity to
00:04:47.280 access.
00:04:48.060 And so we're trying to have this conversation and say, look, we've got to do some things
00:04:53.920 differently here if we expect a different outcome.
00:04:56.460 Every single person, Lou, that ran for Congress didn't run and said to their voters, hey, elect
00:05:02.660 me.
00:05:02.940 I think everything's just fine.
00:05:04.320 And I do want to go down there or up there to Washington, D.C., and just kind of fall
00:05:07.880 right in line with what's happening, because we both agree that everything is good.
00:05:12.040 No one says that, Lou, because they know it's not true.
00:05:14.360 Yet the vast majority of people that come here with the best of intentions fall right
00:05:19.420 in line.
00:05:20.460 And we're saying, hey, wake up.
00:05:23.760 Things are not perfect.
00:05:24.980 Things are not well.
00:05:26.480 And we've got to do things.
00:05:28.560 We've got to consider doing things a little differently.
00:05:30.520 And quite honestly, unfortunately, we've met a lot of resistance in just even offering
00:05:36.480 some different ideas.
00:05:37.560 And we're saying, look, we've thought about these things for a year, a year and a half
00:05:41.620 in the wilderness of the minority out here under Nancy Pelosi.
00:05:45.300 But we have time to think about these.
00:05:47.720 If you don't like this idea, what's your idea?
00:05:50.360 Do you know?
00:05:51.080 And of course, all they want to do is criticize what you bring to the table.
00:05:54.880 No one wants to offer what they want to do.
00:05:57.640 And particularly, I find this kind of somewhat stunning, Lou.
00:06:01.800 When I run for office, whether it's for something at the township level or whether it's something
00:06:08.460 at the political level or for Congress, I go to the people that I'm hoping to seek their
00:06:14.060 support to earn their vote.
00:06:15.280 And I say, look, I'm going to offer myself, if you see fit to consider voting for me, this
00:06:21.760 is what I would do if I was elected.
00:06:24.000 And I lay it out for them.
00:06:25.660 Some hear how in Washington, D.C., what you're supposed to do is get here and just vote for
00:06:30.280 the next person that's on the schedule.
00:06:33.080 Well, I'm sorry.
00:06:35.100 You know, asking for someone to give you their vision and lay out what things they're willing
00:06:40.380 to do and then comparing that to a track record is somehow an anathema around this town.
00:06:46.340 But I don't think it should be.
00:06:49.240 You know, so look, we have the best of intentions.
00:06:52.000 We want to change the way things are done here in a way that reflects the American people. 0.86
00:06:57.200 So, for instance, Lou, we haven't had an amendment on the floor of the House of Representatives
00:07:01.480 for six years.
00:07:02.660 So I'm not on the Energy and Commerce Committee, but I'm from Pennsylvania.
00:07:06.120 There's a lot of energy that's created in Pennsylvania.
00:07:09.140 And so when a bill comes out of energy and commerce that affects the citizens that I represent
00:07:13.840 or the state that I am proud to represent, if I want to offer an amendment, I have no
00:07:19.000 choice.
00:07:19.640 There's no amendment allowed.
00:07:21.000 There's no process for an amendment to be heard.
00:07:23.240 So all I get to do is vote yes or vote no.
00:07:26.840 And oftentimes, as you know, Lou, bills are imperfect.
00:07:29.340 We know that.
00:07:30.200 There's 435 of us here.
00:07:31.900 So it's hard to get it exactly perfect for every person.
00:07:34.940 We get that.
00:07:35.860 And I tell my colleagues, look, I don't always have to have my way, but I have to have a say.
00:07:42.220 And so we're offering things that change that.
00:07:46.520 And we're meeting some headwinds.
00:07:48.860 We have determined that whoever is going to lead us needs to do certain things, need to
00:07:54.220 be open to certain things.
00:07:56.620 So you just said that you haven't had an amendment in the House of Representatives in six years.
00:08:02.460 That means that under John Boehner, John Boehner took away amendments, took away regular order.
00:08:11.520 Well, that is actually Paul Ryan that did it.
00:08:13.940 But John Boehner was pretty heavy-handed, too, which is why he found the exit door.
00:08:19.040 But look, we're trying to move in the right direction.
00:08:21.160 That's the wrong direction, right?
00:08:22.620 We want members to have...
00:08:25.120 If I may, if I may, we know one thing.
00:08:29.480 You can't do amendments.
00:08:30.760 You're not going to have hearings.
00:08:33.020 You're not going...
00:08:34.780 Well, we'll have some hearings, but they're not going to amount to much.
00:08:37.480 There's no going to...
00:08:38.340 Accountability is what needed to come from the hearing, right?
00:08:41.640 Well, the fact of the matter is you haven't had hearings that amount to anything.
00:08:47.920 Right.
00:08:48.400 These are phony hearings.
00:08:50.260 And so when I hear James Colmer and I hear Jim Jordan say from judiciary and from oversight,
00:08:55.740 they're going to investigate, you know what I think of?
00:08:58.460 I think, well, how's that going to happen under Kevin McCarthy, who is the hand-me-down from Paul Ryan,
00:09:06.000 who is the hand-me-down from John Boehner?
00:09:09.060 McCarthy is groomed and endorsed by Paul Ryan, who is the plaything of the establishment.
00:09:15.460 You and I know it.
00:09:16.700 The country knows it.
00:09:18.400 No, but you guys, you've got to name names.
00:09:20.440 You've got to be straight up with the American people right now, because I'll tell you, the Marxist Dems,
00:09:25.760 those are not your friends.
00:09:27.720 No, of course not.
00:09:29.160 And they're not.
00:09:30.380 They're not just your opposition party.
00:09:33.000 They mean to destroy this MAGA movement, destroy this president.
00:09:38.560 And what this is all about is killing MAGA, killing America first, and killing you.
00:09:44.620 Yeah, well, you're absolutely right.
00:09:46.360 So let's put some meat on the bones here, Lou. 0.53
00:09:49.380 For instance, anybody that wants to be Speaker of the House needs to be accountable.
00:09:54.360 Thomas Jefferson wrote in the rules a couple hundred years ago a thing called the motion to vacate the chair.
00:10:00.540 And that was used successfully to remove John Boehner and force his resignation because he did not have the support of the Republican conference.
00:10:08.960 And nor should he have at that point.
00:10:10.520 He had lost it.
00:10:11.780 So what happened under Speaker Pelosi, fearing the same thing, she got rid of it.
00:10:15.860 And now under the current set of rules, it is impossible to affect it.
00:10:21.680 It's impossible to use.
00:10:23.040 So we have no accountability.
00:10:24.720 That has to be brought back, Lou.
00:10:26.720 We have to have accountability.
00:10:28.200 And with all due respect to people that say, well, you have two years.
00:10:31.680 If you don't like this briefing, you can vote them out after two years.
00:10:34.520 Lou, our country doesn't have two years to wait to see if this person that wants to be Speaker and that person wants to be Speaker is up to the task.
00:10:42.060 We need to know before that, and there needs to be accountability.
00:10:45.340 So, number one, the motion to vacate the chair that Thomas Jefferson offered, it lasted for 220-some years through Civil War, World War, pandemic, you name it.
00:10:55.880 Close majorities, big majorities, got to have it.
00:10:58.400 So that's number one.
00:10:59.920 Can I just interject at this point?
00:11:01.800 Yeah, sure.
00:11:02.180 Paul Ryan made it an absolute condition precedent of his taking the Speakership, as I understand it, when he said, you will eliminate the motion to vacate because he had just watched Boehner vacate it.
00:11:17.280 He didn't want it to happen to him.
00:11:19.360 So that –
00:11:20.520 Yeah, he didn't want it to happen to him.
00:11:23.000 It was a stringent negotiation.
00:11:25.820 We prevailed, and we maintained it even under Paul Ryan.
00:11:29.700 Look, it's kind of a last resort, right?
00:11:31.740 You don't want to use it, but you have to have it.
00:11:33.640 It was actually Speaker Pelosi that changed it dramatically and made it almost unusable.
00:11:40.020 And now, actually, under Republican leadership here, we just recently voted in the rules package in our conference, and we actually made it even more difficult than it was before.
00:11:50.920 It is unacceptable.
00:11:51.980 So that has to change.
00:11:53.000 That's number one.
00:11:54.180 But how about this, Lou Dobbs?
00:11:56.140 Under Speaker Pelosi, of course, they brought back all these earmarks, and so we had a motion in our conference rules just last week to end the earmarks.
00:12:06.440 Three-quarters of our conference got up and spoke on behalf of earmarks and unbridled.
00:12:12.340 Well, they say, well, there are guardrails on them.
00:12:14.220 They're controlled.
00:12:14.920 And I would just encourage you to take a look at some of the things on both sides of the aisle that have been – that have gotten earmarks in the last couple years.
00:12:23.260 Look, the last thing we want to do with a new Republican majority is tell the American people, look, elect us, support us, be for us, and here's how we're going to squander all your money and just say it's less than 1% of the total budget.
00:12:36.680 Americans understand the influence of earmarks, how they're used to get people to vote for things.
00:12:42.100 You know, you want something in your community, and we use that against you if you don't vote for this and you can't have it.
00:12:48.440 Those kind of – American people understand that it's a really bad look.
00:12:52.960 There's got to be some reason – if we're going to have earmarks – look, I get the argument that the Congress does not want to just send all the money to the Biden administration and have them decide – have Pete Buttigieg, for example, decide where the money's spent.
00:13:06.540 Because we know how that's going to go.
00:13:08.300 That's a legitimate argument.
00:13:10.080 But the argument that just opens it wide up to anything is ludicrous and is unacceptable.
00:13:15.460 So there has to be something different there.
00:13:17.660 But how about this, Lou Dobbs?
00:13:18.800 How about this novel concept?
00:13:20.260 Hasn't happened, certainly in my time in Congress, maybe never happened in my lifetime, is a House rule that says that bills must be single subject.
00:13:28.160 So right now, as the example, we have the National Defense Authorization Act coming through Congress, right?
00:13:33.700 The Senate is going to load it up because it's a must-pass bill.
00:13:36.860 We've got to defend – we've got to pay the troops and defend our country.
00:13:40.060 The Senate's going to load it up with things, including things that help newspaper companies fight off big tech.
00:13:47.540 Look, that might be an issue that we should be involved in.
00:13:50.080 I'm not even sure we should, but that might be an issue that we should discuss.
00:13:53.400 But it has nothing to do with the National Defense Authorization, and it shouldn't be in there.
00:13:57.660 Members of Congress should vote on single-subject bills so that the people that elect them can see where they stand on these issues and not have to hide – have members hiding, well, I voted no because this was in it.
00:14:10.720 I voted yes because that was in it or wasn't in it.
00:14:13.600 People are tired of that game.
00:14:15.400 Single-subject bills that focus on what we're working on, and let's take them one thing at a time, and let's put the votes up.
00:14:22.920 How about that transformational change?
00:14:25.120 I love it.
00:14:26.220 I love it.
00:14:26.640 I've just got one problem.
00:14:28.480 Sure.
00:14:28.660 The NDAA has been a Christmas tree that both parties hang everything they can think of on because it has, as you said, has to be – it's a must-pass piece of legislation.
00:14:39.800 Right.
00:14:40.000 You and I both know that Kevin McCarthy would puke himself if he had to give up on earmarks, if he had to give up on single-subject bills,
00:14:51.060 had to actually hold hearings, had to actually give subpoenas and meaningful support to the judiciary, the oversight committees, all of the oversight committees.
00:15:01.840 Well, look, we don't know yet what we were trying to keep the personalities out of this, Lou.
00:15:07.200 We're saying that anybody that wants to be speaker to get our votes has to abide by these things.
00:15:13.640 So the motion to vacate, dealing with earmarks.
00:15:15.940 But you bring up a good point.
00:15:17.760 These subpoenas – now, I served under John Boehner.
00:15:20.260 I served under Paul Ryan, Nancy Pelosi, and whoever's next.
00:15:23.620 But I will tell you this, for whatever time I've been here in Congress under Republican leadership, there hasn't been one subpoena that's been sent from these committees.
00:15:32.060 I remember under Paul Ryan, you remember the whole Trump-Russia collusion thing.
00:15:35.940 I went to the speaker and I said, Mr. Speaker, we've got to get these people in here.
00:15:41.000 We've got to put them under oath, and we've got to have them spill the beans.
00:15:45.460 We need to know what malfeasance has gone on here.
00:15:48.800 And the only way to compel it is through subpoena, and he would say to me, Scott, if we issue them subpoenas, all they're going to do is clam up.
00:15:55.840 And I said, Mr. Speaker, all they're going to do now is play you for time, wait out the time, and never show up.
00:16:01.940 We have to do it.
00:16:03.000 And so anybody that's going to be speaker of this House under Republicans has to allow Jim Jordan, Jamie Comer, and quite honestly, Lou, every single committee should be able to subpoena people to have them brought in here, certainly under a Biden administration who is fleecing America and destroying the republic.
00:16:18.000 So let me ask you this question, because I think it is the issue, the central issue of the Republican Party for the past 30 years.
00:16:26.980 How in the world are you, all of you conservatives, all of your moderate Republicans, all the way up to Rhino, which are really Dems, how in the world is it that you need to get permission?
00:16:43.880 The mindset, I don't understand.
00:16:47.760 You suddenly look for a leader who is the most like a Democrat you can find, instead of with the same DNA that all of you have and which your constituents have.
00:16:59.580 I mean, the Republicans won the popular vote in the midterms.
00:17:03.240 Unfortunately, that means nothing, except it's an interesting point to know that you guys are there because of the broadest expression of the American people.
00:17:11.160 How do you look at your constituents and the rest of the American people and say, we're going to put Kevin McCarthy, the flashiest rhino we know, in charge of maybe giving us, if we ask really nice, a subpoena to save the republic?
00:17:28.140 Lou, you're absolutely right.
00:17:29.580 And I'll remind you, you already know this, I'm chairman of the House Freedom Caucus and the House Freedom Caucus, in large part, not exclusively because there are some other members, but have brought this discussion, this fight, if you will, to the fore.
00:17:42.240 You know, you can read the news clips.
00:17:44.460 Of course, they're being derided summarily by what used to be considered conservative media out there saying, oh, you're going to blow the whole thing up and you're going to hand the Democrats the majority.
00:17:54.800 Never going to happen, Lou.
00:17:55.800 The only way it happens is if Republicans vote for a Democrat.
00:17:59.520 So that's a red herring.
00:18:02.140 But in a meeting recently with all of leadership and some of my colleagues, I was told something similar.
00:18:06.920 Well, if we request from leadership and I lean forward and I said, hold on a second.
00:18:11.920 I've got the same election certificate as every single one of you around the table and everybody in common.
00:18:17.000 We've got the same three quarters of a million people.
00:18:19.820 I'm not asking you for anything.
00:18:21.520 I represent those folks and I'm going to do my job here and my vote is my vote.
00:18:27.120 It's not your vote.
00:18:27.880 I'm not giving it away.
00:18:28.980 I'm not selling it.
00:18:30.480 I'm here to do my job and I'm not going to go like Oliver Twist begging for more gruel.
00:18:35.700 I've already have.
00:18:36.720 I already get to all these these privileges that come with being a member and representing the people of my district.
00:18:42.900 We no longer want the illusion of representative government.
00:18:47.000 And if that's how this leadership team is going to act, then there's going to be trouble and you might not be in the leadership team.
00:18:53.060 That's what that's what the fight is generally about.
00:18:55.340 Well, and I have not forgotten that you chair the Freedom Caucus at all, and I am not at all indifferent to the fact that you're a patriot.
00:19:10.320 You're one of the most important, in my judgment, one of the most important voices in Congress for the American people, not just your district.
00:19:17.360 You are truly representing the nation right now.
00:19:21.480 And to to see five members of the of the Freedom Caucus who have been at the point of the spear, if you will, be derided, insulted, attacked.
00:19:36.240 And I think it's instructive to everyone that the establishment came up with a substitute for McCarthy and they chose a man who is a has been a Democrat for the last 30 years.
00:19:48.460 But he goes by Republican. That's Fred Upton of Michigan.
00:19:52.580 Yeah, yeah.
00:19:53.040 That man hasn't understood an issue in in three decades.
00:19:56.920 And the very the insult that these I mean, he's even worse than McCarthy, if you could imagine.
00:20:04.680 He's just not because McCarthy at least is is functioning.
00:20:08.760 Well, look, this is crazy stuff.
00:20:10.760 It's all fear mongering, Lou.
00:20:12.440 It's all being done to put the fear of the Lord in people that something bad is going to happen on January 3rd if we don't pick, you know, one person over another.
00:20:22.900 So they come up with these scenarios that somehow a Democrat or this leftist Republican is going to win.
00:20:28.400 I remind everybody there's no way a Democrat can win.
00:20:31.420 It's it's math.
00:20:32.380 It's arithmetic, right?
00:20:33.700 It's not calculus.
00:20:34.820 There's no way a Democrat can win unless Republicans are going to vote for a Democrat.
00:20:39.480 Now, there have been some names floated out there, and I've gone to those Republicans and said, I see your names in the paper here.
00:20:46.000 Are you going to vote for a Democrat?
00:20:48.000 They have told me, look, we don't like what you're doing, but we're never going to vote for a Democrat.
00:20:52.580 What they're trying to do is to scare and to put the fear of people and put pressure on people to just go along with the way it's always been done.
00:21:01.420 And we're just not going to fall for that, Lou.
00:21:03.200 We're just not going to we're just not going to agree with that.
00:21:06.200 So, look, these are plants by the people in Washington, D.C.
00:21:10.380 They're plants to reporters and stories and even some of our friends to try and take us off our course.
00:21:17.060 We can't we cannot diverge from our course.
00:21:18.980 The only way to save the republic is to save the republic.
00:21:21.540 And you can't keep doing the same thing.
00:21:23.440 Most importantly, you can't keep agreeing with Democrats for the sake of bipartisanship just to move the ball forward.
00:21:30.200 We're actually moving it back and we can no longer agree to that, which is why we're why we're in this struggle right now.
00:21:36.580 And so you're absolutely right that these things are going on.
00:21:40.520 But I will just tell you, Lou, that on January 3rd, when the speaker vote's supposed to happen, if we don't end up with a speaker on the first vote or the second vote or by the next morning, you know what's going to happen, Lou?
00:21:52.320 The sun's going to come up out of the you know, the sun's going to come up in the sky.
00:21:56.020 Babies are going to be born.
00:21:57.480 People are going to go to work.
00:21:58.780 They're not going to say, oh, well, I can't go to work today.
00:22:01.320 I don't know who the speaker is.
00:22:02.440 Most people have no clue who that person is or what they do.
00:22:05.180 Anyhow, it's more important to get it right, which is why we're taking the opportunity now to to work out these details.
00:22:12.500 And look, like I said, anybody, I think, in the two hundred and twenty two Republican members of the House can be speaker if they agreed to do certain things.
00:22:21.940 And if they're not willing to counsel and countenance those things, then they don't have our votes.
00:22:27.080 That's just where we are. And it starts with accountability with that with, you know, that motion to vacate.
00:22:33.200 But it goes much further into a whole lot of things like single subject.
00:22:36.600 We have to know where we're at on the budget. Right.
00:22:38.960 We can't keep on letting Mitch McConnell and the Democrats roll us yet.
00:22:42.820 We hear every time these speeches. We're not going to let that happen yet.
00:22:45.700 Every single time it happens, sometimes literally by the people that seek to lead us.
00:22:50.600 Well, we're calling them to the table on those things and say, well, this is what happened in the past.
00:22:55.540 Why should we think anything's going to happen different in the future?
00:22:58.200 Tell us how that's going to work. And we're and we're sitting there.
00:23:01.480 We're waiting to receive information. And their answer is, well, you're just not on the team.
00:23:05.280 I'm sorry. That's not going to work.
00:23:07.460 That's not going to be good enough. Forcing people to be unified is not unifying.
00:23:12.920 Well, I'm I consider myself a conservative and good standing.
00:23:18.000 I'll put it that way. And I'm a patriot.
00:23:21.720 I'm all for America. As a matter of fact, I put it first and I love Donald Trump.
00:23:27.600 So I've got I've got some credentials.
00:23:30.260 I want everybody to know that when we talk about rhinos, they don't just come in elected officials.
00:23:36.320 We got we got a national media and some of them are pretending to be conservatives.
00:23:41.980 And I've just got to ask you this. Have you picked up the phone to call Mark Levin and say, who the hell do you think you are?
00:23:48.080 Because he can't do basic math. He is a guy who has completely missed the point.
00:23:54.700 And he is. I mean, I don't even know what to say to you about the number of people in, quote, unquote, conservative media who've lost their minds and want to see a replay of 2016, 2018, 2020.
00:24:10.140 The movie stops here and the really big production has to begin here.
00:24:15.860 If you're exactly right. And look, Mark Levin is a good friend.
00:24:20.360 You know, I'm a listener. I'm a fan. But I just happen to think he's incorrect on this occasion.
00:24:25.460 And look, it's not Democrats who are coming out against us and and and deriding us for for for our actions, saying that, you know, we need a change in how things are done here.
00:24:36.620 It's our friends in conservative media. It's our friends in the in the body itself.
00:24:41.780 And so you're right. We wonder, you know, you're out there fighting for conservative principles all the time.
00:24:48.300 And now when we have a change, when we have an opportunity to actually make a huge change in how things are done.
00:24:54.420 Now you abandon us. It certainly doesn't seem it doesn't seem right.
00:24:58.640 But look, we we're here. We respect everybody.
00:25:01.520 But we are focused on our mission, which is to save the republic.
00:25:04.980 And we're and we're remembering things like when President Trump was elected, a lot of people in our party refused to work with him.
00:25:12.460 We didn't get the wall built because our speaker at the time just kept telling him, we'll get it the next time.
00:25:17.400 We'll get it the next time. And many of us were going to the president and say there isn't going to be a next time.
00:25:22.060 You have to do it every time. You have to do it now. Every opportunity.
00:25:25.340 That's how this town works. But and so we know that, Lou.
00:25:29.960 We know these things, which is why we're pushing now, because if we don't get it right now, once this whole session starts, everything becomes on autopilot.
00:25:38.380 Once you give them their votes, Lou, then they don't care about you anymore until the next time they need a vote out of you.
00:25:44.220 And then they come looking around. What can I do for you? Whatever.
00:25:47.100 We know that this is how this town operates right now.
00:25:50.400 They need votes for speaker. If they need votes for speaker. Well, let's talk.
00:25:54.260 Let's see what we can do to change this town.
00:25:56.120 If you want to make things different and work for the American people, as opposed to the folks that work in this town, then we can have a conversation.
00:26:02.880 But if you're for status quo, if you're for keeping on doing the same thing that it had us fail.
00:26:08.040 Let's think about it, Lou. What have we succeeded in with Republican majorities?
00:26:12.260 Well, we got some tax reform done.
00:26:14.980 It wasn't like what I would do, but it was pretty good.
00:26:17.380 But it wasn't great. But we got that done.
00:26:20.420 We we we pointed out we pointed out this whole Trump Russia collusion for us and how that was a lie from the start.
00:26:28.480 And now I'm starting to run out of things we've actually accomplished.
00:26:31.740 Right. I don't know whatever what else you think we've accomplished.
00:26:34.940 It's not like we stopped spending. Right.
00:26:37.160 We're 30 some trillion dollars in debt.
00:26:39.060 Now, the Biden agenda, the Obama agenda, the leftist agenda considers just continues almost unbridled.
00:26:45.900 So it's not like we've really stopped that.
00:26:47.900 We might have slowed it down for five minutes here or there, but it just keeps going.
00:26:51.580 What we're doing is not working.
00:26:52.980 So we need to change things.
00:26:54.440 That's our message to everybody.
00:26:56.440 And if we can't change things, then maybe we have to change people.
00:26:59.600 But we've got to change something.
00:27:00.840 We can't keep doing the same things thinking something is going to be different because it's not.
00:27:05.120 And to that point, I look at it more in terms of president setting agendas.
00:27:11.660 No president in modern American history has set a better, clearer, more important agenda than Donald J.
00:27:18.700 Trump, period.
00:27:20.200 America first, MAGA, tax cuts, tariffs in search of balanced international trade and removal of the punishing deficits this country has gone through.
00:27:32.480 All that he did in the Middle East, the fact that he insisted that we bring home our troops from afar that have been engaged in nothing but police actions and managing to turn them into wars and lose them for the past 30 years.
00:27:48.520 That's brilliant, brilliant leadership from the Pentagon.
00:27:53.060 So over that period of time, he is also the guy who wants that wall up.
00:27:58.860 And without that wall, we've got over six million illegal immigrants who have entered this country.
00:28:04.340 And the president of the United States saying just today that he doesn't want to go to the border while he's in Arizona because he's got more important things to do, which means he'll be on Air Force One on his way to one of his vacation compounds in Delaware.
00:28:20.560 This is a country facing two agendas.
00:28:22.960 And we know what Donald Trump did, America first, make America great again.
00:28:29.760 And we've got a Republican Party wants to bring back Ronna McDaniel. 1.00
00:28:36.660 I mean, that's how big a bunch of idiots are in the RNC. 0.68
00:28:40.600 And I'm talking about local, state and federal, national.
00:28:44.420 How in the world could they even think about it?
00:28:46.540 This woman has presided over three disasters and it is and then wants to come back and look into a camera. 1.00
00:28:53.900 Harmeet Dillon, who is a California National Committee woman for the RNC, at least, will challenge her.
00:29:00.460 There should be a half dozen people challenging with ideas and make it a race and make it merit based instead of, you know, who has the longer record raising money.
00:29:12.560 That money didn't work out too damn well in this midterm election, did it?
00:29:16.880 Well, I will tell you this, Lou.
00:29:18.500 I think I'm just like you.
00:29:19.740 I used to run a business.
00:29:21.280 We try not to make it personal, right?
00:29:23.680 There are all kinds of people, Republicans, Democrats, independents, your neighbors, people you know.
00:29:28.880 Just because you like them personally doesn't mean that you want them in charge of your household or your business.
00:29:34.220 So you can't make it personal.
00:29:35.380 But here's what we know.
00:29:36.300 There has to be there have to be accolades for success, but there also has to be accountability for failure.
00:29:43.160 And look, let's face it.
00:29:44.640 We just didn't do that well where we don't have the Senate and we have a very thin majority in the House of Representatives.
00:29:51.400 There has to be an acknowledgement of the fact that whatever we did, it didn't work out well.
00:29:57.240 And I don't know if it's this person or that decision or what have you, but keeping the same people and the same policies is not going to be the answer if you want a different outcome.
00:30:08.140 So, again, you can't make it personal.
00:30:10.360 It's professional.
00:30:11.600 See here, I like you.
00:30:12.980 However, this didn't work out the way we thought it should.
00:30:15.980 So we're going to we're going to need to make a change.
00:30:18.820 And if you're not willing to change how you did things, then we have to look at changing who's doing the things.
00:30:24.840 And that's where we are across the board.
00:30:26.700 I think the Republican Party, the conservative movement has to be circumspect, circumspect, look at itself and say, how did we do?
00:30:34.320 Well, I don't think we did so well.
00:30:35.880 And if that's the case, then why is that?
00:30:38.540 And you just have to be willing to do that.
00:30:40.540 I didn't say it was comfortable.
00:30:41.620 They didn't think it was pleasant.
00:30:43.080 I didn't say it was pleasant.
00:30:44.580 But anybody has to do that if they're going to be successful.
00:30:48.040 And right now, let's face it, we're not being successful.
00:30:52.080 And I have to say, too, along with you, you know, I don't like a lot of people.
00:30:59.560 And it's just an accident.
00:31:01.640 But they all turn out to be Marxist dims.
00:31:05.700 I haven't run into a conservative I don't like.
00:31:08.940 I haven't run into a Republican, a patriot, a veteran I don't like.
00:31:13.080 It's funny how that goes.
00:31:15.440 So I want to assure you, it's not my lack of respect.
00:31:18.100 It's just the way the cards fall for me.
00:31:20.280 Sure.
00:31:20.380 And the other part of it is I detest the Marxist dims who have taken this country to this point, mutilating our children, trying to groom them in our public schools.
00:31:33.200 I detest them because they're using the word bipartisanship.
00:31:39.200 And when I hear a Republican do it, I think there's a rhino.
00:31:42.220 You know why I think it's a rhino?
00:31:45.200 And we've had the usage evolve of words.
00:31:49.900 And bipartisanship really means collaboration and with the enemy.
00:31:54.060 And no doubt about this, I swear to you, Congressman, right now, bipartisanship is collaboration.
00:32:04.020 And any rhino who thinks that they can be bipartisan in this moment will be playing a part in destroying this great country. 1.00
00:32:15.740 It's that straightforward.
00:32:16.900 When you hear McConnell say he wants an omnibus bill, he's going to get through.
00:32:26.600 And Kevin McCarthy won't answer the question about omnibus versus a continuing resolution.
00:32:32.780 It is unacceptable.
00:32:34.320 It's heinous.
00:32:35.480 And there shouldn't be a single person in the Republican conference who thinks for a moment that Kevin McCarthy deserves to be speaker because of that answer.
00:32:44.320 Just that one answer.
00:32:45.420 Think about the rest.
00:32:46.900 Well, there's a track record there.
00:32:49.060 And members, they'd be well informed to take a look at that track record before they make their decision.
00:32:56.080 And again, you can't make it personal.
00:32:57.780 But I would say this too, Lou.
00:32:59.860 Bipartisanship.
00:33:00.400 First of all, when are Democrats ever requested to be bipartisan?
00:33:04.000 Never.
00:33:04.380 It's only Republicans that have that request.
00:33:06.440 Democrats and leftists never have that put on them by the press, their constituents, their bosses, anybody.
00:33:12.440 And we need to be aware of that.
00:33:14.540 There's no reason that we shouldn't play under the same set of rules, number one.
00:33:18.260 Number two, Democrats of the 1950s or 60s, one thing you could count on, Lou, I think, is that they loved their country.
00:33:26.480 They knew that America was the greatest place in the world, and they loved the people in the country and what it stood for.
00:33:32.360 But thinking that that exists today with folks like some of the members on the other side of the aisle, Ilhan Omar, Ayanna Pressley, AOC, et cetera, that literally work every single day to tear down the Constitution, the foundation of our country.
00:33:46.360 These are different folks with a different viewpoint that don't love the country as founded, and it's important to put it that way.
00:33:52.740 They want to change the whole makeup, the whole culture, everything that we believe in, all of our traditions.
00:33:58.600 I find little place where I can work with someone that thinks that way.
00:34:03.060 I'm not saying that there's not an opportunity, but there are few and far between, and you have to look hard for them.
00:34:08.460 Your default position should be with somebody that's a Marxist that believes in Marxist theory and wants to impose that on America that you're against them.
00:34:17.660 If you can find something that you agree on that the sun is coming out today or that you all want to breathe clean air, God bless you.
00:34:25.680 But my default position is I'm suspect if they're Marxists and there's probably not a lot we're going to work on.
00:34:31.060 That's how I proceed.
00:34:32.040 And, unfortunately, they can't be trusted at their word because they've shown themselves to be duplicitous on too many occasions.
00:34:39.720 So it's pretty easy for me.
00:34:41.520 Look, we want to work in a bipartisan fashion, but I'm not here to help destroy the country with the Marxists that want to do that, and I refuse to do that.
00:34:49.120 Well, that is music to my ears and I'm sure the ears of everyone here because I mean straightforwardly.
00:34:56.280 Bipartisanship in this era is collaboration with the enemy.
00:34:59.420 I said there are two agendas at work here.
00:35:02.320 They're both presidential.
00:35:03.820 President Trump, America first, make America great again.
00:35:08.280 And the agenda of Barack Obama.
00:35:11.760 And you only need to remember two words when you think about the Obama agenda because his agenda is winning right now.
00:35:18.400 The fundamental transformation of America.
00:35:21.440 And the hell with his agenda.
00:35:24.240 And we better fight like hell to make sure it doesn't happen.
00:35:27.380 And our practice here is always to give our guests the last word, your concluding thoughts.
00:35:32.820 And for as long as you wish, the time is yours.
00:35:35.520 I appreciate you being with us so much, Congressman Perry, and all that you're doing for this great country.
00:35:41.600 Well, thank you, Lou.
00:35:42.320 Of course, I'm a big fan.
00:35:43.420 I always have been.
00:35:44.140 You hear the bells ringing behind me.
00:35:45.480 I've got to go vote.
00:35:46.360 But I think it's important to kind of leave on this note.
00:35:51.180 Look, the republic is not going to save itself.
00:35:53.940 Our founders placed the republic, this government, this country in our care.
00:35:59.980 But they knew that liberty required eternal vigilance.
00:36:03.560 And they knew it wasn't going to be easy.
00:36:06.220 And so it takes effort.
00:36:08.000 It's going to make some people uncomfortable on occasion.
00:36:10.340 We've been comfortable too long giving in to the other side, giving in to this Marxist agenda that really is.
00:36:17.800 That's exactly what it is.
00:36:19.180 We have to recognize it for what it is, acknowledge it for what it is.
00:36:23.240 And we have to be willing to be in the fight, to stand up, to be counted, and to take the slings and arrows that come with those things.
00:36:30.420 And so, Lou, I'm very honored to be on your show as a guest.
00:36:36.920 And I just encourage you to keep going with your message.
00:36:41.160 There are people that are relying on you.
00:36:43.360 You know, there are critics out there, but they're not in the arena.
00:36:46.440 You are.
00:36:47.520 So just keep going.
00:36:48.980 Understand that we are with you.
00:36:50.480 And we count on you to bring that information to people and the feedback that comes to us.
00:36:55.660 We count on that.
00:36:57.120 You know, if you can't take a little criticism, you're in the wrong job.
00:36:59.820 If you don't have any courage and you can't take some confrontation, you know, go work as a clerk, stocking shelves, and have a happy life.
00:37:07.520 But this job requires us to fight for our country, for this republic, and it's going to mean it's going to be confrontational at times.
00:37:15.200 That's okay.
00:37:16.360 That's what it takes.
00:37:17.460 God bless you.
00:37:18.060 Thanks for the opportunity.
00:37:20.460 Thanks to great American Congressman Scott Perry, also a retired U.S. Army National Guard Brigadier General, combat veteran.
00:37:27.740 Always in the fights that count.
00:37:30.960 Tomorrow, our guest is Cash Patel, Trump advisor, author, former top Pentagon National Security Council and Justice Department official, and senior advisor to the House Intel Committee under Chairman Devin Nunes.
00:37:44.020 We'll be talking about whether the Republican Party, as well-intentioned as they are, can actually bring anyone in the corrupt federal government to justice.
00:37:53.680 Please join us here tomorrow for all of that and more.
00:37:56.840 Till then, thank you for being with us.
00:37:59.720 God bless you, and may God bless America.