The Great America Show - THE OBAMA CONSPIRACY

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show, and thank you for being with

00:00:08.180 us. Like most people who are paying any attention at all to the tensions and rising conflicts

00:00:14.200 building in this country by the day, it seems, I'm wondering what the future holds in store for us,

00:00:20.020 our kids, our grandkids. I'm truly fearful for them, for all of us. I'm pretty sure we're on

00:00:26.260 the precipice of something, some event, something unexpected, and something big. It might be a

00:00:32.860 great awakening on the part of the left and their Marxist leaders. Perhaps they'll come to their

00:00:38.020 senses. Perhaps they'll overcome their vicious hatred for America and will somehow, somehow embrace

00:00:45.540 gentler thoughts and kinder ways and muster gratitude instead of contempt and scorn, instead

00:00:53.100 of what I worry lies ahead. It's certainly becoming clearer by the day that the Marxist Dems,

00:01:00.080 their leaders, the deep state, have joined to become a vast fifth column in America. They've become the

00:01:07.380 enemy of all that is American, and they mean to destroy our republic, our system of laws, and way 1.00

00:01:13.880 of life, the American way, our American heritage. The left, the Marxists who lead the Dems, have no

00:01:21.120 shame, it seems. They stole, they cheated, and lied, and worse, to put an impaired, compromised, and evil 0.99

00:01:28.200 puppet in the White House. A president who's trying to imprison his political opponent, who's been part 0.90

00:01:35.080 of the Obama conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump over the past eight years. And most Republicans have

00:01:42.640 merely watched dumb and numb while the Marxist Dems and deep state tried to frame President Trump, derail 0.98

00:01:51.200 his presidency, and to punish, paralyze, and if need be, destroy him over all those years to this very 0.98

00:01:59.000 moment. So if you're among those who think war, a civil war, is imminent, be afraid. Because I'm afraid the

00:02:06.940 very same Republicans and independents who've just been bystanders and witnesses while the left and

00:02:13.120 bureaucrats persecuted President Trump, I'm afraid that such practiced bystanders won't make great

00:02:19.860 warriors. And we need great warriors. We need many of them. Because these Marxist Dems aren't our only

00:02:27.420 deadly threat. Powerful forces are also allied against us around the world. A new report from the Russian 0.99

00:02:35.040 government-owned company, United Shipbuilding Corporation, shows Russia deploying hypersonic

00:02:41.080 missiles on their new nuclear submarines. The Russian Navy's Yasin-class nuclear submarines will be

00:02:48.700 outfitted with Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles. They have a range of about 600 miles and travel at speeds

00:02:57.260 up to five times faster than the speed of sound. The timing of that report comes as no coincidence.

00:03:05.040 Because as we speak, China and Russia are off the coast of Alaska, running joint naval operations.

00:03:11.500 And just yesterday, NORAD detected four Russian aircraft operating in Alaska's air defense identification

00:03:18.600 zone. Now, NORAD indifferently announced they don't see Russian aircraft in the defense zone as a threat.

00:03:27.080 Be afraid, folks. Be afraid.

00:03:29.920 And while Americans are beginning to realize that we may have to defend America from our enemies,

00:03:37.860 foreign and domestic, President Donald Trump has been waging his own war here at home with that

00:03:43.880 fifth column of Marxist Dems and deep state bureaucrats and the corporate media that collaborate with them. 0.71

00:03:50.860 Trump currently faces three federal indictments with a fourth pending this week in Fulton County,

00:03:56.260 Georgia. The most recent indictment for his rally on January 6th, where his case is now before Obama

00:04:04.700 Judge Tanya Chutkin. Chutkin has been one of the harshest sentencing judges on January 6th defendants

00:04:11.520 and a highly political one. Here is a quote from Judge Chutkin when she was over-sentencing a

00:04:18.160 January 6th defendant last year. Quote,

00:04:21.720 I see the videotapes. I see the footage of the flags and the signs that people were carrying

00:04:27.280 and the hats they were wearing and the garb and the people who mobbed that capital were there in

00:04:33.960 fealty, in loyalty to one man, not to the Constitution, of which most of the people who 0.98

00:04:40.540 come before me seem woefully ignorant. Not to the ideals of this country and not to the principles 0.91

00:04:47.640 of democracy, it is a blind loyalty to one person, who, by the way, remains free to this day.

00:04:56.300 End quote. This is the same judge who will decide whether Donald Trump goes free.

00:05:04.420 Now, how is President Trump supposed to get a fair trial from a Marxist judge who has previously 0.73

00:05:10.100 made vividly clear her disdain of the very man she judges? And as that case proceeds, Marxists

00:05:17.260 dim, District Attorney Fannie Willis is meeting with a Fulton County, Georgia grand jury this week

00:05:23.300 to indict President Trump over a phone call in which Donald Trump asked Georgia's Secretary of State

00:05:31.480 to conduct an election free of fraud. Here's a short clip of the President's phone call

00:05:37.380 with that Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger.

00:05:41.540 You should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican.

00:05:47.240 We believe that we do have an accurate election.

00:05:49.880 No, you don't. No, no, you don't. You don't have. You don't have. Not even close. You're off by

00:05:56.280 hundreds of thousands of votes. You know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a, you know,

00:06:02.160 that's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And, and, you know, you can't let that happen. That's,

00:06:08.100 that's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyers. That's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots,

00:06:15.900 in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery. And they're moving it as fast

00:06:23.200 as they can, both of which are criminal fines. And you can't let it happen. And you are letting it

00:06:28.420 happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look, all I want to

00:06:34.820 do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have, because we won the state.

00:06:50.260 So, so tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not fair to take it away

00:06:56.700 from us like this. And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say

00:07:05.420 that you're going to re-examine it and you can re-examine it, but, but re-examine it with people

00:07:09.760 that want to find answers, not people that don't want to find answers. Re-examine the election with

00:07:16.440 people who want to find answers. Now that sounds downright insurrectionist, doesn't it? Those are

00:07:22.800 the words of President Trump as the rabid Marxist Dems without conscience try to indict this innocent

00:07:30.080 man. A man, by the way, never found to have committed any wrongdoing despite eight long years

00:07:37.960 of FBI investigations, two impeachments, and now two special counsels and the obscenity of the Dems'

00:07:45.860 January 6th committee. The only wrongdoing revealed over those eight years. The wrongdoing

00:07:53.720 of the FBI, the Department of Justice, the FISA court, and the rabid Marxists of the then-Democrat-led

00:08:01.920 Congress. And so it goes. New polling from Kaplan's strategy spells trouble for 2024 hopeful Ron

00:08:09.860 DeSantis. The latest poll from Kaplan has DeSantis dropping to third place, behind President Trump,

00:08:16.500 of course, and Vivek Ramaswamy. In that poll, Trump bleeds at 48 percent, Ramaswamy has 11 percent,

00:08:24.500 and DeSantis has fallen to 10 percent. Let's bring in our guest today, author, columnist Lee Smith,

00:08:31.140 a great American and friend. His latest article singles out one man who has been the force over the

00:08:38.460 last 16 years driving the Marxist Dems. Barack Obama. It is one of the best written articles I've

00:08:46.560 ever seen with regard to the corruption of Obama and all that we've faced over the past decade.

00:08:53.400 The title of Lee's piece is Obama's January 5th Conspiracy. Trump's problem and America's isn't the

00:09:00.700 deep state. It's his predecessor. You can read the full article at lewdobs.com

00:09:07.120 at the top right side of the page under our featured article. Lee, great to have you back

00:09:12.940 with us again, and we appreciate it so much. Let's start with the beginning. It starts on

00:09:17.540 January 5th as the Obama administration is winding down in 2017 and preparing to turn over control of

00:09:25.960 the government, ostensibly to Donald Trump. Your thoughts about those moments on January 5th?

00:09:32.720 Definitely. Lou, first of all, thanks very much for inviting me on as always, and thank you for

00:09:36.860 the extraordinarily kind words. You had me blushing for about 30 seconds over here.

00:09:42.740 What happened January 5th was this was memorialized in a Susan Rice memo. She was Obama's national security

00:09:50.660 advisor. There was a meeting at the White House. This was the day before the electoral college vote

00:09:58.580 in 2017. That was to confirm Donald Trump's victory. And Obama was meeting with James Comey,

00:10:06.080 with Sally Yates. Susan Rice was there, as was Vice President, now President Joe Biden.

00:10:11.880 And during that meeting, they discussed the Russia investigation. Obama told James Comey to continue

00:10:20.860 the investigation, but to go by the book. And they also said, well, that was from a law enforcement

00:10:26.400 perspective, as Ms. Rice put it. And from an intelligence perspective, they wanted to know if

00:10:33.740 they could share information regarding Russia with the incoming Trump team. The important thing to

00:10:40.440 remember about this, everyone in that room knew that Russiagate was garbage. It was an information 0.97

00:10:49.880 warfare campaign designed before the election to spy on Donald Trump and to delegitimize Trump's

00:11:02.580 candidacy. After the election, when Hillary Clinton had lost her run, Barack Obama took over the operation.

00:11:13.160 That's what the January 5th meeting was about. Susan Rice memorialized that this was the day

00:11:19.760 that Barack Obama took over what was a campaign dirty trick and turned it into an instrument to not

00:11:28.820 only delegitimize his successor and his presidency, as well as the electorate that had voted for him,

00:11:36.100 but also by accusing Donald Trump of being a Russian spy to destabilize the United States.

00:11:44.480 That's what the January 5th meeting was. My argument is what we are seeing now today with the not

00:11:53.120 culminating, but most recently with the latest indictment of Donald Trump on January 6th related charges.

00:11:59.620 We are seeing the continuation of a conspiracy that Barack Obama heads and that he began on January 5th,

00:12:07.540 2017. The consequences of the country have been disastrous, right? The country has been driven to

00:12:16.140 madness because Barack Obama injected this poison into our public sphere, accusing his successor of

00:12:25.160 polluting, collaborating with a hostile foreign power. 0.56

00:12:30.600 And it was over, it seemed. It was debunked, I guess, is the favorite expression of the left-wing media.

00:12:38.980 It being all of those allegations against Donald Trump. We know for a fact that it was Hillary Clinton's

00:12:48.860 campaigns, a concept and and ruse that she created. And the Democratic National Committee, 0.99

00:12:58.880 in concert with the Clinton campaign and the necessary lawyers to attend, brought it forward

00:13:06.620 and made it live. And we know also that the FBI knew from its inception that what it was, which is a

00:13:14.860 political partisan construct of the Hillary campaign, it was marched up to the Justice Department, 0.51

00:13:24.080 to various people, amongst them, Senator John McCain, slavishly, carrying it to whomever would take it up

00:13:33.820 at DOJ and through intermediaries. It's remarkable. We have known and our power structure has known,

00:13:43.240 as you point out, that it was an absolute attempt to impede, to stop altogether, President Trump's

00:13:51.080 candidacy before the election to stop his election and then after the election to overthrow, to nullify

00:13:58.820 his presidency.

00:14:00.240 Yep. I think and look, I've been reporting on on Russiagate, Lou, as you know, for for quite a while.

00:14:06.760 And so I'm I'm I I hold myself accountable on this, too. But, you know, when we found out that Hillary

00:14:13.680 Clinton had paid for the Steele dossier, that that was misdirection in a sense. Right. Hillary 0.94

00:14:21.420 Clinton paid for it. And Hillary, the Hillary Clinton campaign used it. But the thing that that

00:14:26.780 the thing that it's not that we missed, but we tended to put it to the other side is that these

00:14:33.640 were all Barack Obama spy chiefs. Right. This was James Comey. This was John Brennan. This was James

00:14:38.700 Clapper. These people all answered to Barack Obama. And as we know, Obama was informed about this.

00:14:46.220 Now, I don't know if the way that John Brennan informed him is entirely accurate. I tend very

00:14:50.040 much to doubt it. But what we do know is that Barack Obama knew what was going on. The central

00:14:55.820 fact here is that Obama was aware of this at any second. He could have said, wait a minute, Comey.

00:15:03.360 Wait a minute, Brennan. This is insane. What we're doing is we're going to drive the country

00:15:08.500 we're going to divide the country here. So cut this out right now. This is not what we're going

00:15:14.400 to do. But of course, the real purpose was I think we're starting to see more and more clearly,

00:15:20.800 of course. Well, they are specifically going after Donald Trump. But I think the real intended

00:15:27.600 effect was to divide the country as a whole, not just to target Donald Trump, but was to divide

00:15:33.120 the country, which has happened. I agree with you entirely on that, on the motivation and the goals.

00:15:43.340 I don't think we know all that Obama intended. But to your point on President Obama's intel

00:15:52.900 chieftains, which is the expression we use on this show, his chieftains were engaged concurrently with

00:16:02.240 the Clinton campaign. They knew about this plot on the part of Hillary Clinton and her campaign

00:16:13.540 from almost the inception. They had meetings in 2020, as we now know, with those chieftains and with

00:16:20.900 others and including in at least one of those three instances I'm about to mention, with Joe Biden.

00:16:28.820 That was in April. That was in July. And again, another meeting in late summer, early fall. I can't

00:16:37.080 remember this, whether it was September or August that they met again on this. But all of them were

00:16:45.240 in on it without any question whatsoever. Yeah. I mean, I think one way for us to look

00:16:53.160 at this, how Russiagate started was, you know, Christopher Steele, who ostensibly authored the

00:17:01.140 Steele dossier. They've described him as a whole bunch of different things, right? Whether it was a

00:17:05.640 British expert, an expert on Russia stuff. The essential fact here is, is that Christopher Steele

00:17:12.900 was an FBI confidential informant dating back to about 2011, I believe it was. That's the trucks

00:17:21.640 of the matter here. The way that I've seen this for a long time is that Christopher Steele was a front.

00:17:27.660 It's the FBI who authored the dossier. That's what it was. The FBI and DOJ, they knew what it would

00:17:35.340 take to get a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. Christopher Steele didn't know what it would

00:17:40.300 take. Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS didn't know what it'd take. There was no one at the Clinton

00:17:44.960 campaign who knew it. The people who knew what it would take to get a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance

00:17:49.780 Act warrant to spy on an American citizen was the FBI and DOJ. And that's what the Steele dossier was

00:17:57.300 written for, not just to smear Trump, but to secure a spy warrant to target the campaign.

00:18:03.860 Then, of course, the transition team, and then the Trump presidency itself.

00:18:09.760 And the level of planning, I truly believe, had to be. We know that the CIA had to be

00:18:18.000 significantly involved. Brennan was too large a figure, too close to the president for him not to

00:18:24.460 be, in my judgment at least, intensely in the lead. He boasted about it. Brennan boasted about it.

00:18:31.820 That's what he told the House Intelligence Committee in May 2017. He said, hey, I was the

00:18:36.420 guy who gave all the information to the FBI. Their whole investigation is based on what I pushed to

00:18:42.300 them. I mean, Brennan, again, that's who these people are. They want credit for the madness they've

00:18:50.480 sown across our country. They're pathological. And as you point out, none more pathological than 0.97

00:18:57.000 the former president himself, Barack Hussein Obama. He is an extraordinary personality. And I think that

00:19:06.100 you have nailed it when you use the term pathological. And we're going to continue this

00:19:14.080 with Lee Smith and his extraordinary article. We're going to also put this up on the website.

00:19:21.980 We're going to give you all of the directions to get to this must read on what has, I guess we have

00:19:31.380 to call it the Obama conspiracy against Donald Trump. We're continuing with Lee Smith in just

00:19:38.840 one moment. Stay with us. We'll be right back. It's only now getting more and more interesting by the

00:19:46.600 moment. We're back talking with Lee Smith. And the article is Obama's January 5 conspiracy. Trump's

00:20:00.700 problem and America's isn't the deep state. It is his predecessor. Lee, there is a line I want

00:20:08.820 to share with the audience, if I may, from your writing. And you're referring to the January 5th

00:20:15.500 meeting. The idea that Susan Rice was covering for herself and for the president. All of that is then

00:20:26.280 also not symmetrical with the statement by the book. Telling these folks to do everything by the book.

00:20:35.880 It sounded like Obama was trying to energize them to drive them toward whatever nefarious purpose they

00:20:44.640 could find to please the pathological president. Is that your analysis?

00:20:51.860 I think that's a really good way to put it. I wish I'd thought of that. I would have had it in my piece.

00:20:58.120 Yeah, that's what it was. It was meant to drive them forward on this. It wasn't about doing it by the

00:21:04.100 book. Obama knew at the very outset that the investigation was phony. That it was just an

00:21:09.640 information operation targeting the Donald Trump campaign. Obama knew it was fake. But this is how

00:21:16.220 Obama works. And this is one of the things that I describe in my piece, his inversions of language.

00:21:22.620 So by the book is one of the inversions of language to describe a phony investigation,

00:21:28.000 an investigation he knew was phony. And we see the world that we're living in now has been shaped

00:21:34.220 by Barack Obama's inversion of reality. We see the language all around us, whether it's gender

00:21:40.480 affirming care or the way to save democracy is by censoring political opponents. This is Obama's

00:21:50.540 method. And this is why I describe him as pathological, because by the book is a perfect

00:21:56.860 example in this instance of how Barack Obama proceeds.

00:22:02.720 And lunch with President Biden. And we all saw the pictures as the whole West Wing assembled around

00:22:13.600 President Obama, who quite in a studied manner, simply ignored President Biden and was obviously

00:22:23.980 enjoying the moment immensely. You say that is part of his pathology and absolutely critical to

00:22:31.780 satisfying that pathology on the part of Obama. He needs people to know he's in charge. He needs

00:22:39.240 people to know that the things that are ripping America into shreds, he's behind them, right?

00:22:45.900 With that day he showed up at the White House is very interesting. And people show that again and

00:22:49.440 and people show people show the interview with Stephen Colbert and by when he talks about a

00:22:55.380 third term. And by the way, that's not the only time he talked about it. There were several other

00:22:58.860 times he talked about how he would handle a third term. So it's something again, these are things that

00:23:04.760 Obama has to say, right? He has to put it out there so that people have to know it's him.

00:23:10.680 That's what it's not just the fact that he's done it, that he's doing it. People have to know that

00:23:17.380 he's doing it. And it's no accident that that Biden's first hundred hires for the for the West

00:23:24.900 Wing, for the White House, 70 of them were former Obama placements. That wasn't an accident either,

00:23:33.100 was it? No, not at all. And, you know, there's a lot. I mean, of course, I'm not saying this on the

00:23:38.320 left and they're not saying this in Obama land or in regime media, but there's a lot of reluctance

00:23:44.740 on the right, Lou, which I'm sure you've noticed perhaps or you've remarked on even more than I

00:23:50.600 have. But to note the obvious, we can't have it both ways by saying, you know, Joe Biden looks like

00:23:58.060 he's in pretty steep cognitive decline here. The guy can't finish sentences. The guy can't stand up

00:24:06.320 straight. The guy can't walk straight. But nonetheless, we believe that he's really the

00:24:11.560 one who's pushing all these divisive and destructive policies. It's not Joe Biden. Joe Biden is the

00:24:18.540 presidential avatar under Joe Biden. The presidency is a ceremonial position. It's not Joe Biden who's

00:24:25.920 calling the shots. There is no way that any decent, honest, reasonable American could possibly imagine

00:24:36.120 that Joe Biden was actually in charge of the federal government. I just can't imagine anyone being able

00:24:42.340 to think that looking at just the the outtakes from the videos, various videos that appear on Twitter,

00:24:50.400 social media everywhere of his bumbling, stumbling, absolute moments of just paralysis, unable to

00:25:00.840 speak, unaware of where he is, and certainly without a clue as how to get to his next appointment

00:25:08.980 and to be led off by, of course, Joe Biden from the stage.

00:25:14.560 I mean, people say, but again, you see people on the right who refuse to look at the reality.

00:25:18.640 I even remember a couple of weeks ago, people were saying, oh, Jill Biden is taking a much bigger role

00:25:23.720 in leading the White House. It's not Jill Biden who is running the show. Barack Obama, as I think

00:25:30.020 I must have discussed before, Lou, Barack Obama is the first president in over a century who stayed in

00:25:38.220 Washington. The last one was Woodrow Wilson because Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and was incapacitated

00:25:44.760 and couldn't move. Barack Obama is the one who has stayed in Washington, DC. What do people think

00:25:50.800 Barack Obama is doing by staying in Washington, DC? All right. It's not a shadow White House.

00:25:56.720 That's where the policies are being run out of. The Biden, the existence of Joe Biden and the

00:26:04.300 condition, current condition of Joe Biden presented a historic opportunity to the Obama faction,

00:26:11.500 right? That they could basically run the country without anyone holding them accountable.

00:26:16.680 And I think we'll both agree that rarely are people ever held accountable in Washington,

00:26:20.640 but this was to a different degree. This was to another degree. So that's what that that's what's

00:26:26.540 happening. That's what's happening right now. It's Barack Obama. And I'm keen for our fellow Americans

00:26:33.500 to understand what's happening. Our problems, as I say in that subtitle, are not the deep state

00:26:39.620 as appealing as a conceit as that may be. Our problems are not the deep state. It's the Obama

00:26:45.580 faction, and it's specifically the 44th president of the United States. That is our problem.

00:26:52.460 And the national left-wing corporatist legacy media, of course, ignoring all of that. And I have to say,

00:27:01.040 I think most Americans have been ignoring it. I do think that some of the wokeness has finally

00:27:06.200 awakened Americans, working men and women, their families, the middle class who have other things

00:27:13.880 to do other than worry about the, you know, the quality or nature or character of their president

00:27:19.640 or elected officials. They assume a high standard for each of them. And that's an assumption that

00:27:25.240 has been met, perhaps irregularly over the decades here, over the last two centuries. But

00:27:32.260 the reality is, our elites have gone mad. And the left is certainly at the forefront. But let's be

00:27:42.900 very clear, the Republican Party knows all of this. They hear you, they hear me and others speaking.

00:27:51.660 They have to be reading what John Durham reported. They have to be reading and knowledgeable about

00:27:58.580 these issues. And they do nothing. For crying out loud, Kevin McCarthy is talking about,

00:28:04.720 well, you know, it looks like it might be time for an impeachment. The Biden crime family is unique

00:28:13.100 in American history. The Biden-Obama, well, let me rephrase that. The Obama-Biden regime

00:28:22.260 is the most corrupt in our history. It's unbelievably so.

00:28:28.400 We don't compare, yeah.

00:28:31.720 And I just don't understand why it is that, how it is that the corporatist media refuses to look at

00:28:40.040 what is straightforwardly in front of them. And the Republican Party.

00:28:44.280 Well, yeah, the media is easier to explain. They're all intelligence operatives. This is no longer

00:28:48.920 a media. They're, you know, they're intelligence assets. And that's Obama who helped pathologize

00:28:55.460 the media. Why the Republicans won't do it, I'll just say to preface this, I certainly don't mean

00:29:01.340 to make excuses. But I think they're, they're scared, right? And they're not just scared for

00:29:07.160 their political careers. They recognize that these are scary people, because I think they see it up

00:29:12.240 front. And I think they see how nuts that these people actually are. For most Americans sitting at home 0.95

00:29:18.080 for American voters, I think contemplating this is extraordinarily painful. Because we talk about

00:29:24.720 it in terms of banana republic, third world this, third world that. But what are these regimes? What

00:29:30.020 is communism? These are all different forms that pathologies take in mass politics. They're all

00:29:39.100 governed by extremely sick people. Whether we're talking about Pol Pot, whether we're talking about 0.97

00:29:43.680 Stalin, whether we're talking about Mao, Xi Jinping, these are all pathological regimes for normal

00:29:51.400 Americans to say, wait a minute, this is all so crazy. I can't believe it's happening here in America.

00:29:56.320 Gender affirming care? What's going on? A spy balloon crosses the United States and no one does 0.97

00:30:02.860 anything? It's extremely difficult, I think, for us, for normal people to recognize what is unfolding

00:30:10.940 in front of us. It's difficult and it's painful. Is it true? Is it possible that they're rolling up

00:30:17.480 January 6 defendants and treating them like political prisoners? Political prisoners in the United States,

00:30:23.100 who would ever think of such a thing? But that's exactly where we are right now. It's a pathological

00:30:28.680 regime. And I think the Republicans ought to be standing up to it. And I'm not justifying what they're doing

00:30:34.660 at all. But I think they're scared. I think people who are looking at this closely are pretty scared of

00:30:41.200 what they're seeing.

00:30:42.940 Scared to death, many of them. And I cannot blame many of them, because where do you look for a friend,

00:30:52.540 a person who thinks like you in this polarized, alienated society of ours right now? You can't trust

00:31:00.100 your government. Everyone is laughing at the madness that is Hollywood. And the family is in

00:31:09.700 decline. We're having fewer children. That is an expression, if I've ever seen one, of a society that

00:31:17.600 doesn't have much confidence in the future at all. We'll continue this. We're talking with Lee Smith,

00:31:23.180 and we're talking about the Obama pathology and the trail of mayhem and tragedy that he has left in

00:31:32.940 his wake. We'll be right back. We're back talking with Lee Smith. And I want to say,

00:31:43.700 you mentioned that we have ignored the evidence that Obama was not normal evidence that he made public

00:31:50.260 because he'd been facing a reality that Americans just couldn't comprehend, as we were discussing.

00:31:58.720 This is a remarkable period in time. I think the country is on the verge of a severe crisis,

00:32:07.300 the likes of which we haven't seen since the Civil War. Give us your sense of where we are

00:32:12.840 and what condition our condition is in, if you will.

00:32:16.460 I think we're already, yeah, I don't think that the kind of conflict

00:32:24.840 that tore America apart during the Civil War, that we're looking at something like that. But I

00:32:33.140 think we're already seeing lots of violence. I think we're seeing, certainly we're already seeing

00:32:39.020 lots of violence and we are seeing the, and we're seeing, we're seeing the manifestation of lots of

00:32:45.080 different pathologies. And Americans, I think the most important thing that, you know, that journalists,

00:32:53.500 commentators like you and me, Lou, I think the most important thing we can do is to clarify things for

00:32:59.740 people and to help shape it. I think the most important thing is to help give people not just

00:33:05.760 hope, right, but to give them a language, to give them a picture that they can understand what's

00:33:12.080 happening in front of us. I think it's a real, it's a service and it's a very important thing for us

00:33:18.940 to do. Because look, family and friends think all the time when I describe how bad I think things are

00:33:26.920 and they say, but you're optimistic? Well, you're crazy. You're Pollyannish. Like, no, we have to 1.00

00:33:31.960 understand things clearly to get out of where we are. I'm optimistic because we're Americans and this is

00:33:39.960 America and we are a great, resilient and resourceful people. I am fully confident in America and in

00:33:47.840 Americans. What we need to do, however, is to make sure we understand things clearly, what our problems

00:33:55.160 are in front of us. If we're dealing with a pathological regime, we have to see it as such.

00:34:00.820 These are not political differences, right? It's not like, well, what should the tax rate be?

00:34:05.820 Well, I don't know. Should we spend more money on education or how much more are we going to spend

00:34:12.460 to see if we can get the F-35 to work, right? It's not a debate like that. That's not the argument that

00:34:18.640 we're having right now in this country. I think a fair way to put it is, well, it appears that it's

00:34:24.580 not really Democrats and Republicans. It appears to be a fight between good and evil. Another way to put

00:34:30.160 this is good and evil to see evil in terms of pathologies. And that's where we are. And that's

00:34:38.260 how I want people to understand it so we can see things clearly and get out of this extremely dangerous

00:34:46.240 and volatile situation. It is dangerous. It's volatile. As I said, I think we're very near

00:34:53.060 a rupture in our society because this is, first of all, on the part of many and at the apex of that

00:35:02.120 many is Barack Obama. There is no question in my mind, his responsibility in all of this,

00:35:10.780 as well as his acolytes and officials. It's no accident, as you point out, that Barack Obama is

00:35:19.620 the only president in our country's history who, upon leaving office, stayed in Washington, D.C.

00:35:26.340 That says to me a great deal. And the fact that we don't see Susan Rice, we don't see Samantha Powers,

00:35:34.780 we don't see his chiefs visible to the workaday journalists who are covering the White House.

00:35:45.780 The politics of this are ambiguous, purposely smudged a bit, wherever a picture is taken.

00:35:55.120 When do you think we'll see an opportunity for real clarity and for real, real retribution

00:36:04.600 and righting of all these wrongs that have been perpetrated?

00:36:08.800 Well, I mean, certainly a Donald Trump victory in November 2024 would go part of the way there.

00:36:22.440 But again, because I think what we're talking about, Lou, here, it's not just a political,

00:36:27.340 it's not a strictly political issue, right? It's about something else. So I think Americans can work

00:36:34.500 towards these solutions on their own as well. And that's what I mean by people seeing things

00:36:39.920 clearly, right? We are normal people. When things get crazy around you, people are saying all the

00:36:45.780 time, well, that seems crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy. It's okay to say that something is crazy.

00:36:51.680 Use your common sense. Embrace the normalcy around you, the normal people, your normal community,

00:36:59.540 your normal children, your normal parents and grandparents and grandchildren. So I think we

00:37:05.780 can go a long way in that direction as we start to understand things clearly. I think that Donald

00:37:12.540 Trump, again, a Trump victory can go a long way to helping us get there. But again, I just don't see

00:37:20.700 that our problems are fundamentally political right now. And this is one of the reasons why I'm

00:37:25.020 tending to argue more and more against the concept of the deep state. Now, I don't doubt that the

00:37:32.640 administrative state is an enormous, is an enormous problem going back again to the age of Woodrow

00:37:39.480 Wilson. But it's not a bunch of faceless bureaucrats who gave the order to divide the country in half

00:37:48.100 with the Russiagate operation. That wasn't Comey. It wasn't even Brennan. That was Barack Obama.

00:37:56.260 And this is what I mean. There are so many examples of Obama's pathology, but I think this is the

00:38:01.880 central one. The central one is this. Who would do this to the country that they govern twice? Who

00:38:07.820 would do this that doesn't even have to be a former president or a former politician? Just any

00:38:15.200 American, what American would design? A project to split the country in half and push it into madness. 0.92

00:38:25.940 That's the central piece of evidence of Obama's madness right there. Who would do this to America?

00:38:34.320 Who would hurt America? Who would hurt America this badly? Not even Osama. Osama bin Laden just

00:38:43.040 wanted to kill Americans, right? And that's a horrible, evil human being. He had no intention 1.00

00:38:51.520 of dividing the entire country like this and setting Americans against each other and driving them

00:38:57.360 crazy. That's pathological. That's not simply terrorism. That's pathological.

00:39:04.460 That pathology seems, as you put it there, contagious. And I believe that Joe Biden shows

00:39:13.020 some signs of that even in his impairment. And I think it's interesting to reflect on the fact

00:39:19.320 that it was Joe Biden was the only person who did not want to go after Osama bin Laden on that

00:39:26.280 historic day. Do you? Yeah. I mean, Joe Biden is, I mean, Joe Biden is, as Robert Gates said,

00:39:33.020 you know, not the, maybe not the greatest national security official ever, but as Robert Gates said,

00:39:37.620 Joe Biden has been wrong about every foreign policy decision while he's, you know, while he's been

00:39:44.180 in office. And of course, he was referring to not just the vice presidency, but was also referring to

00:39:49.460 his time on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I wanted to talk about just Biden for a second,

00:39:55.260 because something you said struck me talking about Biden's corruption. And again, I think it's

00:40:01.620 important to get a clear reading on Joe Biden. I mean, the way that I think of him now, I think it was

00:40:06.180 sort of like the Whitey Bulger in the White House, right? This is how corrupt this family is.

00:40:15.300 And this is astonishing itself. And when you were saying, Lou, before that this pathologies

00:40:20.640 are contagious, that's exactly what happens in pathological regimes. Pathological people

00:40:26.260 are advanced. Normal people are not, right? I'm not saying that everyone working in the tens of

00:40:34.100 thousands of people working to hundreds of thousands working across the federal government

00:40:38.500 right now under the Biden administration are nuts. What I am saying is the people who rise to positions

00:40:44.100 of power, this is what happens in pathological regime. It creates a process of negative selection

00:40:49.780 where pathological people are advanced. Normal people are not. And if you look around at that

00:40:54.880 administration, look at someone like Jennifer Granholm, right? Look, look, look at not just their

00:41:01.360 demeanor, look at their ideas, but their demeanor tells us a lot, right? So again, it's not just

00:41:09.220 Obama. There is a very, very, very sick core of people at the top of our elite, not just the

00:41:18.500 political elite, but also the corporate elite. We look at places like BlackRock. We look at George 0.78

00:41:23.820 Soros. I mean, George Soros. I mean, can you believe this? This is a man who is spending millions

00:41:29.320 of dollars to get district attorneys elected who are unleashing felons on American cities.

00:41:37.180 You know, and we can spend lots of time. Well, I mean, what's the shot there? Why is he doing this?

00:41:42.820 Is he making money on real estate somehow by emptying out cities? I don't get it. What's he doing?

00:41:47.940 Doesn't matter. Let's see it for what it is. A man who is determined to free felons against American

00:41:57.560 families in great American cities is pathological. That's the core of our regime right now. Across the

00:42:07.040 top, political, corporate, cultural, and media establishment, they're pathological.

00:42:13.260 Indeed, they are. And you're absolutely right. This has to become a way forward. That is, to set what

00:42:27.040 is, no matter how difficult it is for all of us to either appreciate or comprehend, we have to start

00:42:35.680 looking at things clearly and accepting what is the reality, at least as we recognize that reality to be

00:42:43.640 a crisis and an existential crisis for this country, in my belief. Let's talk more about this. I think

00:42:52.800 the audience will be fascinated by your further thinking on these issues and ideas and the role

00:43:00.660 of Barack Obama in what has been creating a trail of absolute tragedy over the course of the past two

00:43:13.380 decades. The man bears of its responsibility, as do we all, for permitting his assent and what he has

00:43:22.880 done to this great country and to every American. We just want to say, Lee, thanks so much for

00:43:30.580 being with us. Lee Smith, your concluding thoughts, if you will.

00:43:34.840 Well, it's just to repeat something I said before, that I have total confidence in the American people,

00:43:40.780 the resilience, resourcefulness, strength. And a lot of this happened, frankly, is because Americans

00:43:47.400 are such a good people, such an open-minded people, right? As I mentioned in this piece,

00:43:52.380 it was Obama's 2008 opponent, John McCain, who didn't want to say anything about Jeremiah Wright

00:44:00.420 because he didn't want to look like a racist. So Americans are a very good people, are a good-hearted

00:44:06.880 people. And they're also a very smart people. Our country is based on common sense, empirical

00:44:15.380 evidence, real science. It's not based on garbage. So I have, again, I may test your patience here 0.93

00:44:25.040 again, Lou, and also your great audience by saying, I'm optimistic. I'm looking forward to the future.

00:44:32.920 And something beautiful and extraordinary is going to come out of all of this as we join together.

00:44:40.840 Uh, and as Americans, as Americans, uh, glory in being normal people, not pathological and able

00:44:50.700 to call out the pathologies that are driving our elite right now. And Americans are, are seeing this

00:44:58.280 more and more clearly every day. Thank you so much, Lee Smith. We appreciate it. You're a great

00:45:04.940 American. Thanks for being with us here. Thank you so much, Lou. God bless you.

00:45:09.720 I hope you will read Lee's piece that we discussed here today. You can do so at

00:45:14.780 loudobs.com under the featured article tab. Thank you everybody for listening today. Tomorrow,

00:45:20.620 our guest is attorney, former federal prosecutor, Bud Collins, who knew about Biden corruption and

00:45:27.360 Ukraine five years ago, and he tried to make the justice department understand. Join us on the

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00:45:48.760 And God bless America.

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