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The Great America Show with Lou Dobbs. President Trump continues to face more and more indictments from the Deep State, and more importantly, is he going to get a fair trial from a Marxist judge who has previously made clear her disdain for the President.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show, and thank you for being with
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us. Like most people who are paying any attention at all to the tensions and rising conflicts
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building in this country by the day, it seems, I'm wondering what the future holds in store for us,
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our kids, our grandkids. I'm truly fearful for them, for all of us. I'm pretty sure we're on
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the precipice of something, some event, something unexpected, and something big. It might be a
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great awakening on the part of the left and their Marxist leaders. Perhaps they'll come to their
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senses. Perhaps they'll overcome their vicious hatred for America and will somehow, somehow embrace
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gentler thoughts and kinder ways and muster gratitude instead of contempt and scorn, instead
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of what I worry lies ahead. It's certainly becoming clearer by the day that the Marxist Dems,
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their leaders, the deep state, have joined to become a vast fifth column in America. They've become the
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enemy of all that is American, and they mean to destroy our republic, our system of laws, and way
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of life, the American way, our American heritage. The left, the Marxists who lead the Dems, have no
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shame, it seems. They stole, they cheated, and lied, and worse, to put an impaired, compromised, and evil
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puppet in the White House. A president who's trying to imprison his political opponent, who's been part
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of the Obama conspiracy to destroy Donald Trump over the past eight years. And most Republicans have
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merely watched dumb and numb while the Marxist Dems and deep state tried to frame President Trump, derail
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his presidency, and to punish, paralyze, and if need be, destroy him over all those years to this very
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moment. So if you're among those who think war, a civil war, is imminent, be afraid. Because I'm afraid the
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very same Republicans and independents who've just been bystanders and witnesses while the left and
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bureaucrats persecuted President Trump, I'm afraid that such practiced bystanders won't make great
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warriors. And we need great warriors. We need many of them. Because these Marxist Dems aren't our only
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deadly threat. Powerful forces are also allied against us around the world. A new report from the Russian
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government-owned company, United Shipbuilding Corporation, shows Russia deploying hypersonic
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missiles on their new nuclear submarines. The Russian Navy's Yasin-class nuclear submarines will be
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outfitted with Zircon hypersonic cruise missiles. They have a range of about 600 miles and travel at speeds
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up to five times faster than the speed of sound. The timing of that report comes as no coincidence.
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Because as we speak, China and Russia are off the coast of Alaska, running joint naval operations.
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And just yesterday, NORAD detected four Russian aircraft operating in Alaska's air defense identification
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zone. Now, NORAD indifferently announced they don't see Russian aircraft in the defense zone as a threat.
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And while Americans are beginning to realize that we may have to defend America from our enemies,
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foreign and domestic, President Donald Trump has been waging his own war here at home with that
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fifth column of Marxist Dems and deep state bureaucrats and the corporate media that collaborate with them.
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Trump currently faces three federal indictments with a fourth pending this week in Fulton County,
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Georgia. The most recent indictment for his rally on January 6th, where his case is now before Obama
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Judge Tanya Chutkin. Chutkin has been one of the harshest sentencing judges on January 6th defendants
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and a highly political one. Here is a quote from Judge Chutkin when she was over-sentencing a
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I see the videotapes. I see the footage of the flags and the signs that people were carrying
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and the hats they were wearing and the garb and the people who mobbed that capital were there in
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fealty, in loyalty to one man, not to the Constitution, of which most of the people who
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come before me seem woefully ignorant. Not to the ideals of this country and not to the principles
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of democracy, it is a blind loyalty to one person, who, by the way, remains free to this day.
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End quote. This is the same judge who will decide whether Donald Trump goes free.
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Now, how is President Trump supposed to get a fair trial from a Marxist judge who has previously
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made vividly clear her disdain of the very man she judges? And as that case proceeds, Marxists
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dim, District Attorney Fannie Willis is meeting with a Fulton County, Georgia grand jury this week
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to indict President Trump over a phone call in which Donald Trump asked Georgia's Secretary of State
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to conduct an election free of fraud. Here's a short clip of the President's phone call
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with that Secretary of State, Brad Raffensperger.
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You should want to have an accurate election. And you're a Republican.
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We believe that we do have an accurate election.
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No, you don't. No, no, you don't. You don't have. You don't have. Not even close. You're off by
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hundreds of thousands of votes. You know what they did and you're not reporting it. That's a, you know,
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that's a criminal, that's a criminal offense. And, and, you know, you can't let that happen. That's,
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that's a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyers. That's a big risk. But they are shredding ballots,
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in my opinion, based on what I've heard. And they are removing machinery. And they're moving it as fast
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as they can, both of which are criminal fines. And you can't let it happen. And you are letting it
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happen. You know, I mean, I'm notifying you that you're letting it happen. So look, all I want to
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do is this. I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more that we have, because we won the state.
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So, so tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it's not fair to take it away
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from us like this. And it's going to be very costly in many ways. And I think you have to say
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that you're going to re-examine it and you can re-examine it, but, but re-examine it with people
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that want to find answers, not people that don't want to find answers. Re-examine the election with
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people who want to find answers. Now that sounds downright insurrectionist, doesn't it? Those are
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the words of President Trump as the rabid Marxist Dems without conscience try to indict this innocent
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man. A man, by the way, never found to have committed any wrongdoing despite eight long years
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of FBI investigations, two impeachments, and now two special counsels and the obscenity of the Dems'
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January 6th committee. The only wrongdoing revealed over those eight years. The wrongdoing
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of the FBI, the Department of Justice, the FISA court, and the rabid Marxists of the then-Democrat-led
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Congress. And so it goes. New polling from Kaplan's strategy spells trouble for 2024 hopeful Ron
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DeSantis. The latest poll from Kaplan has DeSantis dropping to third place, behind President Trump,
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of course, and Vivek Ramaswamy. In that poll, Trump bleeds at 48 percent, Ramaswamy has 11 percent,
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and DeSantis has fallen to 10 percent. Let's bring in our guest today, author, columnist Lee Smith,
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a great American and friend. His latest article singles out one man who has been the force over the
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last 16 years driving the Marxist Dems. Barack Obama. It is one of the best written articles I've
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ever seen with regard to the corruption of Obama and all that we've faced over the past decade.
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The title of Lee's piece is Obama's January 5th Conspiracy. Trump's problem and America's isn't the
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deep state. It's his predecessor. You can read the full article at lewdobs.com
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at the top right side of the page under our featured article. Lee, great to have you back
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with us again, and we appreciate it so much. Let's start with the beginning. It starts on
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January 5th as the Obama administration is winding down in 2017 and preparing to turn over control of
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the government, ostensibly to Donald Trump. Your thoughts about those moments on January 5th?
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Definitely. Lou, first of all, thanks very much for inviting me on as always, and thank you for
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the extraordinarily kind words. You had me blushing for about 30 seconds over here.
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What happened January 5th was this was memorialized in a Susan Rice memo. She was Obama's national security
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advisor. There was a meeting at the White House. This was the day before the electoral college vote
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in 2017. That was to confirm Donald Trump's victory. And Obama was meeting with James Comey,
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with Sally Yates. Susan Rice was there, as was Vice President, now President Joe Biden.
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And during that meeting, they discussed the Russia investigation. Obama told James Comey to continue
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the investigation, but to go by the book. And they also said, well, that was from a law enforcement
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perspective, as Ms. Rice put it. And from an intelligence perspective, they wanted to know if
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they could share information regarding Russia with the incoming Trump team. The important thing to
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remember about this, everyone in that room knew that Russiagate was garbage. It was an information
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warfare campaign designed before the election to spy on Donald Trump and to delegitimize Trump's
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candidacy. After the election, when Hillary Clinton had lost her run, Barack Obama took over the operation.
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That's what the January 5th meeting was about. Susan Rice memorialized that this was the day
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that Barack Obama took over what was a campaign dirty trick and turned it into an instrument to not
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only delegitimize his successor and his presidency, as well as the electorate that had voted for him,
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but also by accusing Donald Trump of being a Russian spy to destabilize the United States.
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That's what the January 5th meeting was. My argument is what we are seeing now today with the not
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culminating, but most recently with the latest indictment of Donald Trump on January 6th related charges.
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We are seeing the continuation of a conspiracy that Barack Obama heads and that he began on January 5th,
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2017. The consequences of the country have been disastrous, right? The country has been driven to
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madness because Barack Obama injected this poison into our public sphere, accusing his successor of
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polluting, collaborating with a hostile foreign power.
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And it was over, it seemed. It was debunked, I guess, is the favorite expression of the left-wing media.
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It being all of those allegations against Donald Trump. We know for a fact that it was Hillary Clinton's
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campaigns, a concept and and ruse that she created. And the Democratic National Committee,
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in concert with the Clinton campaign and the necessary lawyers to attend, brought it forward
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and made it live. And we know also that the FBI knew from its inception that what it was, which is a
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political partisan construct of the Hillary campaign, it was marched up to the Justice Department,
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to various people, amongst them, Senator John McCain, slavishly, carrying it to whomever would take it up
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at DOJ and through intermediaries. It's remarkable. We have known and our power structure has known,
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as you point out, that it was an absolute attempt to impede, to stop altogether, President Trump's
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candidacy before the election to stop his election and then after the election to overthrow, to nullify
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Yep. I think and look, I've been reporting on on Russiagate, Lou, as you know, for for quite a while.
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And so I'm I'm I I hold myself accountable on this, too. But, you know, when we found out that Hillary
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Clinton had paid for the Steele dossier, that that was misdirection in a sense. Right. Hillary
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Clinton paid for it. And Hillary, the Hillary Clinton campaign used it. But the thing that that
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the thing that it's not that we missed, but we tended to put it to the other side is that these
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were all Barack Obama spy chiefs. Right. This was James Comey. This was John Brennan. This was James
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Clapper. These people all answered to Barack Obama. And as we know, Obama was informed about this.
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Now, I don't know if the way that John Brennan informed him is entirely accurate. I tend very
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much to doubt it. But what we do know is that Barack Obama knew what was going on. The central
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fact here is that Obama was aware of this at any second. He could have said, wait a minute, Comey.
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Wait a minute, Brennan. This is insane. What we're doing is we're going to drive the country
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we're going to divide the country here. So cut this out right now. This is not what we're going
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to do. But of course, the real purpose was I think we're starting to see more and more clearly,
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of course. Well, they are specifically going after Donald Trump. But I think the real intended
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effect was to divide the country as a whole, not just to target Donald Trump, but was to divide
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the country, which has happened. I agree with you entirely on that, on the motivation and the goals.
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I don't think we know all that Obama intended. But to your point on President Obama's intel
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chieftains, which is the expression we use on this show, his chieftains were engaged concurrently with
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the Clinton campaign. They knew about this plot on the part of Hillary Clinton and her campaign
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from almost the inception. They had meetings in 2020, as we now know, with those chieftains and with
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others and including in at least one of those three instances I'm about to mention, with Joe Biden.
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That was in April. That was in July. And again, another meeting in late summer, early fall. I can't
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remember this, whether it was September or August that they met again on this. But all of them were
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in on it without any question whatsoever. Yeah. I mean, I think one way for us to look
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at this, how Russiagate started was, you know, Christopher Steele, who ostensibly authored the
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Steele dossier. They've described him as a whole bunch of different things, right? Whether it was a
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British expert, an expert on Russia stuff. The essential fact here is, is that Christopher Steele
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was an FBI confidential informant dating back to about 2011, I believe it was. That's the trucks
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of the matter here. The way that I've seen this for a long time is that Christopher Steele was a front.
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It's the FBI who authored the dossier. That's what it was. The FBI and DOJ, they knew what it would
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take to get a warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. Christopher Steele didn't know what it would
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take. Glenn Simpson and Fusion GPS didn't know what it'd take. There was no one at the Clinton
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campaign who knew it. The people who knew what it would take to get a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance
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Act warrant to spy on an American citizen was the FBI and DOJ. And that's what the Steele dossier was
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written for, not just to smear Trump, but to secure a spy warrant to target the campaign.
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Then, of course, the transition team, and then the Trump presidency itself.
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And the level of planning, I truly believe, had to be. We know that the CIA had to be
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significantly involved. Brennan was too large a figure, too close to the president for him not to
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be, in my judgment at least, intensely in the lead. He boasted about it. Brennan boasted about it.
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That's what he told the House Intelligence Committee in May 2017. He said, hey, I was the
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guy who gave all the information to the FBI. Their whole investigation is based on what I pushed to
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them. I mean, Brennan, again, that's who these people are. They want credit for the madness they've
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sown across our country. They're pathological. And as you point out, none more pathological than
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the former president himself, Barack Hussein Obama. He is an extraordinary personality. And I think that
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you have nailed it when you use the term pathological. And we're going to continue this
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with Lee Smith and his extraordinary article. We're going to also put this up on the website.
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We're going to give you all of the directions to get to this must read on what has, I guess we have
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to call it the Obama conspiracy against Donald Trump. We're continuing with Lee Smith in just
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one moment. Stay with us. We'll be right back. It's only now getting more and more interesting by the
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moment. We're back talking with Lee Smith. And the article is Obama's January 5 conspiracy. Trump's
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problem and America's isn't the deep state. It is his predecessor. Lee, there is a line I want
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to share with the audience, if I may, from your writing. And you're referring to the January 5th
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meeting. The idea that Susan Rice was covering for herself and for the president. All of that is then
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also not symmetrical with the statement by the book. Telling these folks to do everything by the book.
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It sounded like Obama was trying to energize them to drive them toward whatever nefarious purpose they
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could find to please the pathological president. Is that your analysis?
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I think that's a really good way to put it. I wish I'd thought of that. I would have had it in my piece.
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Yeah, that's what it was. It was meant to drive them forward on this. It wasn't about doing it by the
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book. Obama knew at the very outset that the investigation was phony. That it was just an
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information operation targeting the Donald Trump campaign. Obama knew it was fake. But this is how
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Obama works. And this is one of the things that I describe in my piece, his inversions of language.
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So by the book is one of the inversions of language to describe a phony investigation,
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an investigation he knew was phony. And we see the world that we're living in now has been shaped
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by Barack Obama's inversion of reality. We see the language all around us, whether it's gender
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affirming care or the way to save democracy is by censoring political opponents. This is Obama's
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method. And this is why I describe him as pathological, because by the book is a perfect
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example in this instance of how Barack Obama proceeds.
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And lunch with President Biden. And we all saw the pictures as the whole West Wing assembled around
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President Obama, who quite in a studied manner, simply ignored President Biden and was obviously
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enjoying the moment immensely. You say that is part of his pathology and absolutely critical to
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satisfying that pathology on the part of Obama. He needs people to know he's in charge. He needs
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people to know that the things that are ripping America into shreds, he's behind them, right?
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With that day he showed up at the White House is very interesting. And people show that again and
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and people show people show the interview with Stephen Colbert and by when he talks about a
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third term. And by the way, that's not the only time he talked about it. There were several other
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times he talked about how he would handle a third term. So it's something again, these are things that
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Obama has to say, right? He has to put it out there so that people have to know it's him.
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That's what it's not just the fact that he's done it, that he's doing it. People have to know that
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he's doing it. And it's no accident that that Biden's first hundred hires for the for the West
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Wing, for the White House, 70 of them were former Obama placements. That wasn't an accident either,
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was it? No, not at all. And, you know, there's a lot. I mean, of course, I'm not saying this on the
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left and they're not saying this in Obama land or in regime media, but there's a lot of reluctance
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on the right, Lou, which I'm sure you've noticed perhaps or you've remarked on even more than I
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have. But to note the obvious, we can't have it both ways by saying, you know, Joe Biden looks like
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he's in pretty steep cognitive decline here. The guy can't finish sentences. The guy can't stand up
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straight. The guy can't walk straight. But nonetheless, we believe that he's really the
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one who's pushing all these divisive and destructive policies. It's not Joe Biden. Joe Biden is the
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presidential avatar under Joe Biden. The presidency is a ceremonial position. It's not Joe Biden who's
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calling the shots. There is no way that any decent, honest, reasonable American could possibly imagine
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that Joe Biden was actually in charge of the federal government. I just can't imagine anyone being able
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to think that looking at just the the outtakes from the videos, various videos that appear on Twitter,
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social media everywhere of his bumbling, stumbling, absolute moments of just paralysis, unable to
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speak, unaware of where he is, and certainly without a clue as how to get to his next appointment
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and to be led off by, of course, Joe Biden from the stage.
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I mean, people say, but again, you see people on the right who refuse to look at the reality.
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I even remember a couple of weeks ago, people were saying, oh, Jill Biden is taking a much bigger role
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in leading the White House. It's not Jill Biden who is running the show. Barack Obama, as I think
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I must have discussed before, Lou, Barack Obama is the first president in over a century who stayed in
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Washington. The last one was Woodrow Wilson because Woodrow Wilson had a stroke and was incapacitated
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and couldn't move. Barack Obama is the one who has stayed in Washington, DC. What do people think
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Barack Obama is doing by staying in Washington, DC? All right. It's not a shadow White House.
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That's where the policies are being run out of. The Biden, the existence of Joe Biden and the
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condition, current condition of Joe Biden presented a historic opportunity to the Obama faction,
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right? That they could basically run the country without anyone holding them accountable.
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And I think we'll both agree that rarely are people ever held accountable in Washington,
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but this was to a different degree. This was to another degree. So that's what that that's what's
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happening. That's what's happening right now. It's Barack Obama. And I'm keen for our fellow Americans
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to understand what's happening. Our problems, as I say in that subtitle, are not the deep state
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as appealing as a conceit as that may be. Our problems are not the deep state. It's the Obama
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faction, and it's specifically the 44th president of the United States. That is our problem.
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And the national left-wing corporatist legacy media, of course, ignoring all of that. And I have to say,
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I think most Americans have been ignoring it. I do think that some of the wokeness has finally
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awakened Americans, working men and women, their families, the middle class who have other things
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to do other than worry about the, you know, the quality or nature or character of their president
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or elected officials. They assume a high standard for each of them. And that's an assumption that
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has been met, perhaps irregularly over the decades here, over the last two centuries. But
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the reality is, our elites have gone mad. And the left is certainly at the forefront. But let's be
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very clear, the Republican Party knows all of this. They hear you, they hear me and others speaking.
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They have to be reading what John Durham reported. They have to be reading and knowledgeable about
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these issues. And they do nothing. For crying out loud, Kevin McCarthy is talking about,
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well, you know, it looks like it might be time for an impeachment. The Biden crime family is unique
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in American history. The Biden-Obama, well, let me rephrase that. The Obama-Biden regime
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is the most corrupt in our history. It's unbelievably so.
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And I just don't understand why it is that, how it is that the corporatist media refuses to look at
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what is straightforwardly in front of them. And the Republican Party.
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Well, yeah, the media is easier to explain. They're all intelligence operatives. This is no longer
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a media. They're, you know, they're intelligence assets. And that's Obama who helped pathologize
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the media. Why the Republicans won't do it, I'll just say to preface this, I certainly don't mean
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to make excuses. But I think they're, they're scared, right? And they're not just scared for
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their political careers. They recognize that these are scary people, because I think they see it up
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front. And I think they see how nuts that these people actually are. For most Americans sitting at home
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for American voters, I think contemplating this is extraordinarily painful. Because we talk about
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it in terms of banana republic, third world this, third world that. But what are these regimes? What
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is communism? These are all different forms that pathologies take in mass politics. They're all
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governed by extremely sick people. Whether we're talking about Pol Pot, whether we're talking about
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Stalin, whether we're talking about Mao, Xi Jinping, these are all pathological regimes for normal
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Americans to say, wait a minute, this is all so crazy. I can't believe it's happening here in America.
00:29:56.320
Gender affirming care? What's going on? A spy balloon crosses the United States and no one does
00:30:02.860
anything? It's extremely difficult, I think, for us, for normal people to recognize what is unfolding
00:30:10.940
in front of us. It's difficult and it's painful. Is it true? Is it possible that they're rolling up
00:30:17.480
January 6 defendants and treating them like political prisoners? Political prisoners in the United States,
00:30:23.100
who would ever think of such a thing? But that's exactly where we are right now. It's a pathological
00:30:28.680
regime. And I think the Republicans ought to be standing up to it. And I'm not justifying what they're doing
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at all. But I think they're scared. I think people who are looking at this closely are pretty scared of
00:30:42.940
Scared to death, many of them. And I cannot blame many of them, because where do you look for a friend,
00:30:52.540
a person who thinks like you in this polarized, alienated society of ours right now? You can't trust
00:31:00.100
your government. Everyone is laughing at the madness that is Hollywood. And the family is in
00:31:09.700
decline. We're having fewer children. That is an expression, if I've ever seen one, of a society that
00:31:17.600
doesn't have much confidence in the future at all. We'll continue this. We're talking with Lee Smith,
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and we're talking about the Obama pathology and the trail of mayhem and tragedy that he has left in
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his wake. We'll be right back. We're back talking with Lee Smith. And I want to say,
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you mentioned that we have ignored the evidence that Obama was not normal evidence that he made public
00:31:50.260
because he'd been facing a reality that Americans just couldn't comprehend, as we were discussing.
00:31:58.720
This is a remarkable period in time. I think the country is on the verge of a severe crisis,
00:32:07.300
the likes of which we haven't seen since the Civil War. Give us your sense of where we are
00:32:12.840
and what condition our condition is in, if you will.
00:32:16.460
I think we're already, yeah, I don't think that the kind of conflict
00:32:24.840
that tore America apart during the Civil War, that we're looking at something like that. But I
00:32:33.140
think we're already seeing lots of violence. I think we're seeing, certainly we're already seeing
00:32:39.020
lots of violence and we are seeing the, and we're seeing, we're seeing the manifestation of lots of
00:32:45.080
different pathologies. And Americans, I think the most important thing that, you know, that journalists,
00:32:53.500
commentators like you and me, Lou, I think the most important thing we can do is to clarify things for
00:32:59.740
people and to help shape it. I think the most important thing is to help give people not just
00:33:05.760
hope, right, but to give them a language, to give them a picture that they can understand what's
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happening in front of us. I think it's a real, it's a service and it's a very important thing for us
00:33:18.940
to do. Because look, family and friends think all the time when I describe how bad I think things are
00:33:26.920
and they say, but you're optimistic? Well, you're crazy. You're Pollyannish. Like, no, we have to
00:33:31.960
understand things clearly to get out of where we are. I'm optimistic because we're Americans and this is
00:33:39.960
America and we are a great, resilient and resourceful people. I am fully confident in America and in
00:33:47.840
Americans. What we need to do, however, is to make sure we understand things clearly, what our problems
00:33:55.160
are in front of us. If we're dealing with a pathological regime, we have to see it as such.
00:34:00.820
These are not political differences, right? It's not like, well, what should the tax rate be?
00:34:05.820
Well, I don't know. Should we spend more money on education or how much more are we going to spend
00:34:12.460
to see if we can get the F-35 to work, right? It's not a debate like that. That's not the argument that
00:34:18.640
we're having right now in this country. I think a fair way to put it is, well, it appears that it's
00:34:24.580
not really Democrats and Republicans. It appears to be a fight between good and evil. Another way to put
00:34:30.160
this is good and evil to see evil in terms of pathologies. And that's where we are. And that's
00:34:38.260
how I want people to understand it so we can see things clearly and get out of this extremely dangerous
00:34:46.240
and volatile situation. It is dangerous. It's volatile. As I said, I think we're very near
00:34:53.060
a rupture in our society because this is, first of all, on the part of many and at the apex of that
00:35:02.120
many is Barack Obama. There is no question in my mind, his responsibility in all of this,
00:35:10.780
as well as his acolytes and officials. It's no accident, as you point out, that Barack Obama is
00:35:19.620
the only president in our country's history who, upon leaving office, stayed in Washington, D.C.
00:35:26.340
That says to me a great deal. And the fact that we don't see Susan Rice, we don't see Samantha Powers,
00:35:34.780
we don't see his chiefs visible to the workaday journalists who are covering the White House.
00:35:45.780
The politics of this are ambiguous, purposely smudged a bit, wherever a picture is taken.
00:35:55.120
When do you think we'll see an opportunity for real clarity and for real, real retribution
00:36:04.600
and righting of all these wrongs that have been perpetrated?
00:36:08.800
Well, I mean, certainly a Donald Trump victory in November 2024 would go part of the way there.
00:36:22.440
But again, because I think what we're talking about, Lou, here, it's not just a political,
00:36:27.340
it's not a strictly political issue, right? It's about something else. So I think Americans can work
00:36:34.500
towards these solutions on their own as well. And that's what I mean by people seeing things
00:36:39.920
clearly, right? We are normal people. When things get crazy around you, people are saying all the
00:36:45.780
time, well, that seems crazy. That's crazy. It's crazy. It's okay to say that something is crazy.
00:36:51.680
Use your common sense. Embrace the normalcy around you, the normal people, your normal community,
00:36:59.540
your normal children, your normal parents and grandparents and grandchildren. So I think we
00:37:05.780
can go a long way in that direction as we start to understand things clearly. I think that Donald
00:37:12.540
Trump, again, a Trump victory can go a long way to helping us get there. But again, I just don't see
00:37:20.700
that our problems are fundamentally political right now. And this is one of the reasons why I'm
00:37:25.020
tending to argue more and more against the concept of the deep state. Now, I don't doubt that the
00:37:32.640
administrative state is an enormous, is an enormous problem going back again to the age of Woodrow
00:37:39.480
Wilson. But it's not a bunch of faceless bureaucrats who gave the order to divide the country in half
00:37:48.100
with the Russiagate operation. That wasn't Comey. It wasn't even Brennan. That was Barack Obama.
00:37:56.260
And this is what I mean. There are so many examples of Obama's pathology, but I think this is the
00:38:01.880
central one. The central one is this. Who would do this to the country that they govern twice? Who
00:38:07.820
would do this that doesn't even have to be a former president or a former politician? Just any
00:38:15.200
American, what American would design? A project to split the country in half and push it into madness.
00:38:25.940
That's the central piece of evidence of Obama's madness right there. Who would do this to America?
00:38:34.320
Who would hurt America? Who would hurt America this badly? Not even Osama. Osama bin Laden just
00:38:43.040
wanted to kill Americans, right? And that's a horrible, evil human being. He had no intention
00:38:51.520
of dividing the entire country like this and setting Americans against each other and driving them
00:38:57.360
crazy. That's pathological. That's not simply terrorism. That's pathological.
00:39:04.460
That pathology seems, as you put it there, contagious. And I believe that Joe Biden shows
00:39:13.020
some signs of that even in his impairment. And I think it's interesting to reflect on the fact
00:39:19.320
that it was Joe Biden was the only person who did not want to go after Osama bin Laden on that
00:39:26.280
historic day. Do you? Yeah. I mean, Joe Biden is, I mean, Joe Biden is, as Robert Gates said,
00:39:33.020
you know, not the, maybe not the greatest national security official ever, but as Robert Gates said,
00:39:37.620
Joe Biden has been wrong about every foreign policy decision while he's, you know, while he's been
00:39:44.180
in office. And of course, he was referring to not just the vice presidency, but was also referring to
00:39:49.460
his time on the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. I wanted to talk about just Biden for a second,
00:39:55.260
because something you said struck me talking about Biden's corruption. And again, I think it's
00:40:01.620
important to get a clear reading on Joe Biden. I mean, the way that I think of him now, I think it was
00:40:06.180
sort of like the Whitey Bulger in the White House, right? This is how corrupt this family is.
00:40:15.300
And this is astonishing itself. And when you were saying, Lou, before that this pathologies
00:40:20.640
are contagious, that's exactly what happens in pathological regimes. Pathological people
00:40:26.260
are advanced. Normal people are not, right? I'm not saying that everyone working in the tens of
00:40:34.100
thousands of people working to hundreds of thousands working across the federal government
00:40:38.500
right now under the Biden administration are nuts. What I am saying is the people who rise to positions
00:40:44.100
of power, this is what happens in pathological regime. It creates a process of negative selection
00:40:49.780
where pathological people are advanced. Normal people are not. And if you look around at that
00:40:54.880
administration, look at someone like Jennifer Granholm, right? Look, look, look at not just their
00:41:01.360
demeanor, look at their ideas, but their demeanor tells us a lot, right? So again, it's not just
00:41:09.220
Obama. There is a very, very, very sick core of people at the top of our elite, not just the
00:41:18.500
political elite, but also the corporate elite. We look at places like BlackRock. We look at George
00:41:23.820
Soros. I mean, George Soros. I mean, can you believe this? This is a man who is spending millions
00:41:29.320
of dollars to get district attorneys elected who are unleashing felons on American cities.
00:41:37.180
You know, and we can spend lots of time. Well, I mean, what's the shot there? Why is he doing this?
00:41:42.820
Is he making money on real estate somehow by emptying out cities? I don't get it. What's he doing?
00:41:47.940
Doesn't matter. Let's see it for what it is. A man who is determined to free felons against American
00:41:57.560
families in great American cities is pathological. That's the core of our regime right now. Across the
00:42:07.040
top, political, corporate, cultural, and media establishment, they're pathological.
00:42:13.260
Indeed, they are. And you're absolutely right. This has to become a way forward. That is, to set what
00:42:27.040
is, no matter how difficult it is for all of us to either appreciate or comprehend, we have to start
00:42:35.680
looking at things clearly and accepting what is the reality, at least as we recognize that reality to be
00:42:43.640
a crisis and an existential crisis for this country, in my belief. Let's talk more about this. I think
00:42:52.800
the audience will be fascinated by your further thinking on these issues and ideas and the role
00:43:00.660
of Barack Obama in what has been creating a trail of absolute tragedy over the course of the past two
00:43:13.380
decades. The man bears of its responsibility, as do we all, for permitting his assent and what he has
00:43:22.880
done to this great country and to every American. We just want to say, Lee, thanks so much for
00:43:30.580
being with us. Lee Smith, your concluding thoughts, if you will.
00:43:34.840
Well, it's just to repeat something I said before, that I have total confidence in the American people,
00:43:40.780
the resilience, resourcefulness, strength. And a lot of this happened, frankly, is because Americans
00:43:47.400
are such a good people, such an open-minded people, right? As I mentioned in this piece,
00:43:52.380
it was Obama's 2008 opponent, John McCain, who didn't want to say anything about Jeremiah Wright
00:44:00.420
because he didn't want to look like a racist. So Americans are a very good people, are a good-hearted
00:44:06.880
people. And they're also a very smart people. Our country is based on common sense, empirical
00:44:15.380
evidence, real science. It's not based on garbage. So I have, again, I may test your patience here
00:44:25.040
again, Lou, and also your great audience by saying, I'm optimistic. I'm looking forward to the future.
00:44:32.920
And something beautiful and extraordinary is going to come out of all of this as we join together.
00:44:40.840
Uh, and as Americans, as Americans, uh, glory in being normal people, not pathological and able
00:44:50.700
to call out the pathologies that are driving our elite right now. And Americans are, are seeing this
00:44:58.280
more and more clearly every day. Thank you so much, Lee Smith. We appreciate it. You're a great
00:45:04.940
American. Thanks for being with us here. Thank you so much, Lou. God bless you.
00:45:09.720
I hope you will read Lee's piece that we discussed here today. You can do so at
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00:45:20.620
our guest is attorney, former federal prosecutor, Bud Collins, who knew about Biden corruption and
00:45:27.360
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