The Great America Show - THE POLITICAL PERSECUTIONS ARE OVER

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.360 It's great to have you with us.

00:00:06.500 Thank you so much for joining us on this monumental week.

00:00:10.120 Those of you who joined us on election night and into the early morning for our seven-hour

00:00:15.720 live stream, I appreciate you guys tuning in.

00:00:18.220 And once again, I thank you guys for joining us back here today.

00:00:21.200 There's so much to celebrate this week, folks.

00:00:23.540 You go down the list, President Trump's hard-fought fight.

00:00:28.180 He's been fighting since 2016, but it really ramped up when they raided his home, Mar-a-Lago,

00:00:34.120 went through his wife's underwear drawer, and the litany of lists of things goes on and

00:00:38.120 on and on of what they've done to this man, two assassination attempts on him.

00:00:42.180 It's just a long laundry list of things the Marxist Dems have done and come after him.

00:00:47.100 He's not the only one, though.

00:00:48.540 Our guest today, we're going to hear from him in a little bit, Jeff Clark, a former U.S.

00:00:52.960 assistant attorney, another one.

00:00:54.740 They went after him time and time again, and they just will not leave alone.

00:00:59.820 We do have some good news, aside from President Trump absolutely annihilating Kamala Harris

00:01:06.200 across the board, the battleground states, an absolute—it's going to look like it's

00:01:10.520 a clean sweep of Michigan, Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, Georgia, Arizona, Nevada.

00:01:17.200 I don't think any of us expected it.

00:01:19.020 I was optimistic, but I wasn't as optimistic as the election results look like they're coming

00:01:24.500 in and continuing to come in.

00:01:26.680 I do want to bring in our guest today, as promised.

00:01:29.520 He's Jeff Clark, a great American, as I mentioned, one of the folks who's still continuing a fight

00:01:36.720 against this government, who's come after him for absolutely no reason other than his

00:01:41.920 association with Donald Trump.

00:01:44.060 Jeff, thanks so much for joining us today.

00:01:45.440 Well, thanks, John.

00:01:47.480 It's good to be here, and I'm obviously a big supporter of the show, and it's a good

00:01:52.840 day to be here after President Trump has been re-elected to become 47.

00:01:59.260 Yeah, and Kamala Harris, taking a little bit of time, Jeff, I don't know if she was—I'm

00:02:03.560 hearing reports that she may have been hungover or drunk.

00:02:05.880 I don't know.

00:02:06.720 But, you know, taking her sweet time to come out and concede, and I was kind of getting

00:02:11.440 a little worried.

00:02:12.760 Maybe she wasn't going to accept the fact that she lost this election.

00:02:16.140 Maybe she was going to start some sort of insurrection.

00:02:19.180 Maybe she was going to refuse to leave office.

00:02:21.460 You know, usually the Democrats come out and say all the things that they're doing, and

00:02:25.540 then they go ahead and blame it on the Republicans.

00:02:27.400 But aside from the massive win we have, Jeff, which I will talk about in a little bit, I want

00:02:31.760 to talk about the biggest news of the day, and the DOJ and special counsel Jack Smith

00:02:36.980 are looking for ways to wind down all those cases against President Trump, which, Jeff,

00:02:42.700 to me, makes zero no sense, because if Trump's a criminal, it doesn't matter if he's going

00:02:47.400 to be president or not.

00:02:48.220 You're going to go prosecute a criminal, right?

00:02:51.820 So, John, look, here's the ways in which they've tied themselves up in knots.

00:02:57.320 Let me start with Bill Barr.

00:02:58.880 So, back when they brought the Mar-a-Lago documents case, and I'm looking for the footage

00:03:04.640 now because I'm going to put these two things together, I distinctly remember Barr saying

00:03:09.700 actually in several media appearances that the documents case was exceedingly strong and

00:03:15.020 that President Trump had taken classified information, therefore he had violated the

00:03:21.360 Espionage Act, and that, you know, this was very serious.

00:03:24.860 Okay, well, that was then.

00:03:26.280 This is now.

00:03:26.900 I just watched him in an interview with Brett Baier and Martha McCallum on Fox, and he

00:03:32.480 says, oh, all the cases were weak, and so, you know, they should go away for that reason

00:03:37.340 alone, right?

00:03:38.040 So, it's just, it's the ultimate in hypocrisy, and he just lies with a straight face to the

00:03:43.340 camera.

00:03:44.340 I think that he actually did think that case was strong before because he distinguished it

00:03:50.100 from other cases, like the, you know, the case up in New York, which he said was very weak,

00:03:57.140 and, you know, but now, like, recognizing, seeing the handwriting on the wall, now it's

00:04:02.040 all the cases were weak, and I, Bill Barr, I foresaw this from the very start.

00:04:06.640 It's just amazing, and he's trying to do that to get back into President Trump's good graces

00:04:11.820 and try to help other people who he will recommend, no doubt, to go back into the Justice Department

00:04:18.060 to get them into good graces by association.

00:04:21.480 It's really despicable, and like I said, I'm going to put those two clips side by side and

00:04:27.700 tweet that out at first opportunity this week.

00:04:30.720 But, look, here's the rationale that he gave, other than that, which is that you can't prosecute

00:04:37.460 a sitting president.

00:04:38.600 This is under a longstanding DOJ opinion from the Office of Legal Counsel, which is, it used

00:04:45.200 to be that the Attorney General's produced opinions for the United States, legal opinions

00:04:49.180 that would govern the executive branch, but, you know, the Attorney General job became such

00:04:54.180 a big one that we created an Assistant Attorney General, which is the level that I occupied

00:04:59.120 at the Justice Department, it's just that I ran two litigating divisions.

00:05:03.000 This Assistant Attorney General, the one at the Office of Legal Counsel, or OLC, what that

00:05:08.240 official does is he produces what the Attorney General used to produce in terms of opinions

00:05:13.660 that bind the executive branch, and that, here there's an opinion, longstanding opinion

00:05:17.940 that says presidents can't be prosecuted while they're in office.

00:05:22.240 So, he says, you know, that, well, okay, Jack Smith's not going to be able to prosecute

00:05:28.060 this case once Trump takes office, so it should just be dismissed now.

00:05:32.260 But you raised the point of, well, you know, why doesn't he try to get, you know, an emergency

00:05:37.900 conviction of Trump or something before January 20th?

00:05:42.040 But, you know, I think he realizes that the Supreme Court's not going to allow that to happen.

00:05:47.440 So, you know, they're in a tough spot, and I think that's probably why we're hearing this

00:05:51.120 news about Jack Smith is ready to fold up his tent and go home.

00:05:55.300 And it's unclear to me why Barr thinks that the state cases automatically go away, because

00:06:02.180 that OLC opinion doesn't bind the states.

00:06:05.000 Now, I think those cases, they're super cheesy cases that never should have been brought in

00:06:10.740 the first place, weak from the start, and they should go away.

00:06:14.880 But there's no necessary reason.

00:06:16.640 So, Barr's legal reasoning doesn't even make any sense, right?

00:06:19.540 He's being a direct hypocrite, and then, you know, he's just trying to say, oh, and

00:06:24.240 by logical extension, that applies to the states, too.

00:06:27.400 It doesn't.

00:06:28.660 And those cases should be pulled because of the fact that we don't want to have state

00:06:34.840 prosecutors tying down the president when he's trying to be the chief executive officer

00:06:40.360 of the United States.

00:06:41.120 It would interfere with the operation of the Constitution.

00:06:43.560 So, I just wish we'd get better legal commentators sometimes who actually understand the Constitution,

00:06:49.640 John.

00:06:50.180 Two questions for you, Jeff.

00:06:51.760 Very, very, very valiant and good points.

00:06:54.920 The first question is, according to, with respect to the OLC ruling that you can't prosecute

00:07:00.200 a sitting president, since when do the Democrats, Jeff, you know this better anyway, since when

00:07:04.260 do the Democrats follow the law or any sort of opinion?

00:07:07.380 First of all, we've seen Joe Biden spit in the Supreme Court's face multiple times with

00:07:11.680 this student loan forgiveness.

00:07:13.280 That's just for one.

00:07:14.180 You can go down the list of things that he's broken the law, whether it be the border or

00:07:17.320 any other list of things.

00:07:19.460 But the other thing you had mentioned, that the OLC ruling doesn't matter for the state

00:07:24.880 cases, but what does matter for that state case in New York is the Supreme Court ruling

00:07:29.700 and the way they went about getting the evidence to go ahead and get Donald Trump on that,

00:07:34.420 bringing in Hope Hicks.

00:07:35.740 She worked for him at the White House at the time.

00:07:37.460 So, the Supreme Court ruling definitely covers him under that case.

00:07:41.300 I think the Georgia case probably just folds up anyway.

00:07:45.100 You see what happened with young thug down there.

00:07:47.720 They wanted him in jail for 100 years.

00:07:49.620 Now, all of a sudden, he takes a 20-year probation.

00:07:52.660 The prosecutors say, we want him to admit to these RICO charges, and we'll give him the

00:07:56.660 20-year probation.

00:07:57.720 And young thug says, go to hell.

00:07:59.020 I'm not admitting to that.

00:08:00.700 Leave it up to the judge.

00:08:01.560 And the judge goes, sorry, we don't need him to admit it.

00:08:03.540 Here's your 20 years of probation.

00:08:05.180 I think they're having a really tough time down there in Georgia.

00:08:09.120 But, you know, first, for the OLC ruling, since when do the Democrats follow the law, Jeff?

00:08:14.980 Yeah, look, you know, I think you're right, John.

00:08:16.880 I don't want to just see either leaks to Fox or leaks to other sources that this is what

00:08:23.240 the Justice Department under President Biden and Harris are currently intending to do,

00:08:28.260 to drop these cases before January 20th.

00:08:31.480 You know, I want to see the cases actually dropped, and then we'll really talk.

00:08:35.080 And I also want to see what happens with this 11th Circuit appeal, which is currently going

00:08:39.700 on.

00:08:40.100 And as far as I know, no one from the Justice Department has informed the 11th Circuit that

00:08:46.120 they want to drop that appeal.

00:08:47.500 What's that appeal about?

00:08:49.260 This is from the documents case, and it's an appeal that Jack Smith took from Judge Cannon

00:08:57.020 dismissing the charges against President Trump because Jack Smith was illegally appointed.

00:09:02.820 He can't hold his role under the Appointments Clause, and he can't also hold it under the

00:09:09.540 Appropriations Clause because no money was specifically set aside for an office of special

00:09:14.600 counsel.

00:09:15.520 And, you know, they've appealed that.

00:09:17.180 They vehemently objected to it.

00:09:19.040 If they really are going to drop these cases, you know, long before they're leaking anything

00:09:23.720 to Fox, there should be a motion to dismiss under the federal rules of the appellate procedure

00:09:29.220 dropped in the 11th Circuit.

00:09:30.620 That's what I'm waiting for.

00:09:32.400 And, you know, it's going to be interesting to see whether they actually do that or not

00:09:35.800 or whether they try to do.

00:09:37.500 And this is the kind of thing, knowing the Justice Department the way I know it, John,

00:09:41.520 that the Solicitor General's office will be involved.

00:09:44.460 I can even think of the precise person in my mind who would be involved in this and what

00:09:49.320 his counsel would be.

00:09:50.300 And I can imagine him saying, as surely as I sit here with you on StreamYard talking to

00:09:56.240 you, that that official might say, you know, why don't we see if we can win this appeal at

00:10:01.500 least before Jack Smith pumpkinizes and we dismiss this stuff and then Trump comes into

00:10:08.020 office?

00:10:08.540 Because we have an institutional interest in protecting the idea that the Attorney General

00:10:14.300 can appoint special counsels.

00:10:15.920 So let's see if we can get an 11th Circuit opinion confirming that.

00:10:20.180 And then, you know, on the other side of a Trump term or the other side of a Trump and

00:10:25.320 then advance term one or two, you know, we can resume with this special counsel device

00:10:31.240 that we've created.

00:10:32.100 And hopefully the 11th Circuit won't play ball with that.

00:10:36.860 And hopefully as well, Trump's lawyers will point out to the 11th Circuit that, you know,

00:10:41.760 that's the game afoot.

00:10:43.240 And if they've said the cases, you know, against Trump are going to be dismissed, what business,

00:10:48.540 what purpose would it serve for the 11th Circuit in a then moot situation, essentially,

00:10:52.840 to go ahead and rule on whether Jack Smith lawfully held office?

00:10:57.640 I mean, I think the 11th Circuit might wind up saying reversing Judge Cannon in their view

00:11:02.480 and saying he can hold office.

00:11:04.520 But my prediction, and this is what I predicted months ago when this first happened, I think

00:11:08.840 the Supreme Court affirms what Judge Cannon came to.

00:11:12.080 Yeah.

00:11:12.240 The 11th Circuit is really kind of an intermediary here anyway.

00:11:16.260 But I'm going to be watching in terms of the rubber meets the road for what happens

00:11:21.220 with that 11th Circuit appeal.

00:11:22.700 I want to see that.

00:11:23.640 I don't want to hear cheap talk being leaked to Fox about what's going to happen with Jack

00:11:28.480 Smith.

00:11:29.340 I don't understand.

00:11:30.760 We're going to take a quick break here.

00:11:32.240 On the other side, I want to talk about this.

00:11:33.720 Why the Supreme Court can't just make a ruling?

00:11:36.100 Why it constantly has to be hit back down to the circuit for them to then make some sort

00:11:40.740 of Marxist ruling for them to go back up to the Supreme Court?

00:11:43.320 And then they send you.

00:11:44.120 It's just a whole merry-go-round that blows my mind.

00:11:48.460 But I guess that's the law system in America that we're living in now.

00:11:52.400 So I want to take a quick break.

00:11:53.420 When we return, I want to continue with that.

00:11:55.180 I want to continue with the New York case and why that isn't just going to be thrown

00:11:59.580 out.

00:12:00.240 Also watching MSNBC today, I don't watch Fox anymore.

00:12:03.300 I watch MSNBC because I like to see them wallow in tears from what happened this week.

00:12:10.580 They're talking about President Biden maybe pardoning Trump, which I would hate to see

00:12:14.840 happen because a pardon would mean he did something wrong and that he needs to be pardoned for.

00:12:19.500 So I want to take a quick break.

00:12:21.520 We're going to come right back.

00:12:23.180 Tish James in New York also already starting more problems with Donald Trump.

00:12:27.360 She cannot help herself.

00:12:29.320 We're talking with Jeff Clark.

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00:12:49.900 And that's where you can help Jeff in his legal battle against these Marxist Dems who have

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00:12:56.220 Coming right back with Jeff.

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00:14:46.620 We're back.

00:14:47.380 We're talking with former United States Assistant Attorney General Jeff Clark.

00:14:51.080 Jeff, before we went to break, I had mentioned the issue of constantly sending things up

00:14:55.260 to the Supreme Court, then sending them back down to district or certain courts, and then

00:14:59.180 back up.

00:14:59.620 Why can't the Supreme Court just make a ruling and say, Jack Smith's appointment is unconstitutional

00:15:04.800 based on X, Y, and Z?

00:15:06.580 I mean, you could go through the list of things.

00:15:08.420 The fact that he's being paid and it wasn't approved by Congress.

00:15:13.200 That's the simplest one, in my opinion.

00:15:15.060 Why can't the Supreme Court just come out and say, enough's enough.

00:15:18.380 This is what it is.

00:15:20.720 So, John, let me give you two reasons for that.

00:15:23.720 One is that the Supreme Court is a court of appellate jurisdiction.

00:15:28.160 The only category of cases in which it has so-called original jurisdiction, where a case

00:15:34.320 begins with them, is if you have original jurisdiction.

00:15:38.900 What is original jurisdiction?

00:15:40.260 If there are cases involving ambassadors, if there are fights between states, which typically

00:15:44.780 involve fights over boundaries.

00:15:47.660 You know, like the – I remember a case that came out about New Jersey and New York fighting

00:15:54.700 about the boundary between them, which actually went through water, and it related at some level

00:15:59.660 to where Ellis Island was, et cetera.

00:16:02.960 So, that goes to the Supreme Court.

00:16:04.480 And the Supreme Court doesn't do the fact-finding.

00:16:06.740 They assign a special master in that kind of original jurisdiction case to find the facts.

00:16:11.300 They review it.

00:16:12.160 They decide whether they agree.

00:16:13.920 And then they rule on the legal issues.

00:16:16.020 But in all other cases, you know, we have essentially a three-level court system in America where

00:16:21.840 there are district court judges who find facts and reach initial legal conclusions.

00:16:26.960 Then it goes up to a circuit court of appeal.

00:16:29.260 There are 13 of those in the U.S.

00:16:31.320 And then from there, it goes up to the Supreme Court.

00:16:34.140 And it's discretionary.

00:16:35.580 The Supreme Court can decide not to take your case.

00:16:37.800 The second reason I would give you is this, you know, teach the viewers a little bit of history.

00:16:43.760 During the George Washington administration, actually, George Washington was very interested

00:16:48.600 in a key legal question.

00:16:50.400 And he basically just, you know, he sent over a letter to say to the Supreme Court, like,

00:16:55.040 why don't you just tell me what the answer is and I'll abide by it, right?

00:16:58.560 You know, whatever the answer is, we'll do it.

00:17:00.940 And the Supreme Court wrote back, like, we can't answer that.

00:17:04.860 You're calling for an advisory opinion.

00:17:06.780 You have to actually do something.

00:17:09.580 It has to actually affect somebody in a concrete way so that you have what the Constitution in

00:17:16.020 Article 3 calls a case or a real case or controversy where there's, you know, genuine

00:17:20.560 adversariness between someone who disagrees with the president, has the ability to do that,

00:17:25.200 and the president.

00:17:26.340 And then, you know, eventually we could take that case up.

00:17:29.040 So, you know, there are, you know, there's a mechanism for cert before judgment.

00:17:34.540 But, you know, the Supreme Court tries to keep that as a relatively narrow case.

00:17:39.000 And so you wouldn't want to live in a world in which the Supreme Court was essentially

00:17:43.160 like an anticipatory sovereign of they just pronounced like willy-nilly on questions without

00:17:48.400 having more development of them by the lower court.

00:17:52.300 So that's why things work like this.

00:17:54.100 I'm convinced it's so complex to keep the truly smart people out of the law profession.

00:17:59.000 Obviously, you're one of the exceptions.

00:18:00.480 Most lawyers we see these days, I mean, I don't know where they come from or where they – it

00:18:05.420 seems, Jeff, that the better the school they went to, the dumber they are.

00:18:08.460 It's like mind-blowing to me.

00:18:10.720 It makes zero sense.

00:18:12.580 Lou went to Harvard.

00:18:13.640 I think he's one of the exceptions of the few people who made it out with the brain.

00:18:17.220 It's literally mind-blowing to me.

00:18:19.860 Like I said, the smarter the person seems, the dumber they are and more corrupt they are.

00:18:24.940 I want to look at this New York case because we have sentencing now coming up in just under

00:18:28.680 two weeks for President Trump.

00:18:30.440 It's unlikely, in my opinion and the opinion of some legal scholars, that he gets sentenced

00:18:34.640 to any jail time, but just the fact that it will make it to a sentencing and then he'll

00:18:38.960 have to be back in a courtroom.

00:18:41.960 First, I want to get your opinion on what happens in that case.

00:18:47.140 Do we see an indefinite postpone of the sentencing?

00:18:52.320 And then after that, I want to go into the Supreme Court ruling on why this case is not even

00:18:56.660 dismissed before appeals.

00:18:59.380 Sure.

00:18:59.660 Well, so here's what I would predict.

00:19:01.240 I think, you know, it's hard to put a precise number on it because we've never been in a

00:19:05.680 situation like this before because the Democrats have brought this tradition upending lawfare

00:19:13.080 against a former president.

00:19:15.280 But let me call it roughly a 75 percent chance that Justice Mershon, so-called, dismisses the

00:19:22.260 case based on Trump's pending motion or at the very least holds that he's entitled to a

00:19:27.360 new trial, and then he basically takes the November date off the calendar for sentencing.

00:19:33.380 Right.

00:19:33.820 If he goes forward on sentencing, I think the play would be something like this.

00:19:38.540 He decides he's going to go forward with it.

00:19:41.020 He gets a big spectacle out of it to, you know, try to dirty up Trump yet again before he gets

00:19:46.380 inaugurated and put his own name in the headlines.

00:19:49.920 And then he says, I'm just going to order probation.

00:19:53.300 Right.

00:19:54.040 And it's going to be, you know, probation with special conditions that are designed specifically

00:19:59.220 not to interfere with the exercise of the presidency.

00:20:02.160 And he's going to say that's the best balance of all factors.

00:20:05.760 Right.

00:20:06.020 So, you know, we'll see whether I turn out to be right about that.

00:20:10.360 But I and I think here's the last part.

00:20:13.480 If he decides on an out chance to actually try to sentence President Trump to jail before

00:20:18.640 the inauguration, that case is going to rock it up to the Supreme Court faster than your

00:20:23.400 head can spin.

00:20:24.380 And they're going to either put a hold on it or they're just going to reverse it outright.

00:20:29.200 You and I remember you said actually this exact thing and you're fairly consistent.

00:20:33.500 It's rare for a lawyer, Jeff.

00:20:35.380 But you said this exact thing that and I had asked you, can you get the Supreme Court to

00:20:40.340 intervene?

00:20:40.720 I mean, like within an hour and you'd said, you know, it's possible that Supreme Court

00:20:44.700 could come down and give you a ruling in such a short period of time.

00:20:48.380 Is that still the case?

00:20:49.920 Yeah.

00:20:50.120 So I think here what would happen is it would go to the appellate division in New York.

00:20:56.380 Right.

00:20:56.720 And then it would have to go to the Court of Appeals.

00:21:00.080 That's the highest court in New York.

00:21:01.600 You know, it's not called the Supreme Court.

00:21:03.120 We're in New York like the Supreme Court's like a trial court.

00:21:06.880 It's like upside down naming convention.

00:21:09.740 And then you'd go to the Supreme Court.

00:21:11.300 But I think what the lawyers would do, and this is what you do when you're kind of in

00:21:14.940 an emergency situation where you really need to stay, is you say, you know, we need this

00:21:19.880 answer by X time.

00:21:20.980 And if we don't get it, we're going up, we're popping up to the next stage, et cetera.

00:21:24.880 And I just cannot imagine that the Supreme Court would let moths grow on this one.

00:21:30.020 I think they, you know, if there was going to be jail time, they would block that lookity

00:21:36.000 split.

00:21:36.980 And that should be unanimous, I would hope.

00:21:38.860 But who the hell knows what we have in that court right now?

00:21:41.540 I won't ask for your opinion on it.

00:21:43.300 But so why is the Supreme Court came down, Jeff?

00:21:47.140 We heard from the months ago that he has total immunity and the way they went about getting

00:21:51.700 the facts, the facts in this case was not the appropriate way in which they were supposed

00:21:58.920 to do it or the way they got the facts coincides with the Supreme Court's ruling of total immunity

00:22:04.080 for the president, as an example I gave earlier talking to Hope Hicks, and that was a big part

00:22:09.040 of their case.

00:22:10.440 Why was the case not right then and there?

00:22:13.300 You know, why is it up to Judge Juan Merchant to say, OK, this case should be dismissed?

00:22:17.440 Why is it not a higher court who can intervene and say, listen, this is what the Supreme Court

00:22:21.540 said.

00:22:22.300 Let's stop wasting money.

00:22:23.520 Let's end this show trial.

00:22:24.820 Let's get on and move on with our lives and get these real criminals in New York who are

00:22:28.140 doing harm.

00:22:28.600 Why is that not the case?

00:22:30.900 So, John, look, let's start with the mistake of Alvin Bragg and Matthew Colangelo, right?

00:22:36.400 They could have written an indictment that was free of either issues of federal law or this

00:22:44.080 issue that you pointed out that goes to when Trump actually became president.

00:22:49.780 Most of the conduct in the indictment actually relates to the pre-election period for, you

00:22:57.080 know, for the president.

00:22:58.240 And, you know, then their argument became that Trump was interfering in the 2016 election

00:23:02.200 by concealing information about Stormy Daniels from the public.

00:23:07.380 Right.

00:23:08.280 And, you know, I think he had a lot of motivations to, you know, try to just get rid of her silly

00:23:15.240 allegations.

00:23:15.820 And like many, many rich men have to pay nuisance settlements to get rid of things so they don't

00:23:21.240 like to end up in court all the time.

00:23:23.140 Yeah.

00:23:23.440 But, you know, that's not what Bragg decided to do.

00:23:25.920 So he basically blended together events that straddled Trump actually assuming the presidency.

00:23:32.120 That was a big tactical mistake.

00:23:34.220 And that's what leads to the fact that, you know, hope.

00:23:36.960 And I think that's part because they thought Hope Hicks would be a bombshell, salacious witness

00:23:41.680 talking about, you know, Trump's illegal activities in the Oval Office because, you know, that's

00:23:48.440 where he was thinking about paying Michael Cohen as the intermediary to pay Stormy Cohen,

00:23:53.080 Stormy Daniels.

00:23:55.360 Apparently it was Stormy Cohen.

00:23:57.340 It is a Stormy Cohen, yeah.

00:24:00.080 And, you know, and that Hope Hicks is going to talk about an Oval Office meeting, right?

00:24:05.880 But that's gotten him into trouble.

00:24:07.240 After the Trump v.

00:24:08.540 United States July 1st immunity decision, the Supreme Court, you know, creates tiers of immunity.

00:24:15.280 Put aside, you know, the applicability of those.

00:24:19.120 There's one very clear aspect of the opinion that doesn't get a lot of focus in the external

00:24:23.480 world, which is that they created a new exclusionary rule to say that no information about the operation

00:24:30.160 of the executive branch can be introduced into court.

00:24:34.220 You know, and this just, like, flatly runs afoul of that, right?

00:24:39.820 You can't have Hope Hicks being called in and then she tells the jury about what's happening

00:24:44.180 inside the Oval Office.

00:24:45.720 That's a no-no.

00:24:47.300 And, you know, they tainted the trial by doing that.

00:24:50.720 So Brad could have tried to say, hey, I'm just bringing stuff that relates to before Trump

00:24:56.860 became president.

00:24:57.580 And then he would have had to contend with an argument of, like, well, but that's inextricably

00:25:03.600 linked with conduct that happened after he was president, right?

00:25:06.680 And they, you know, but certainly they could have put themselves on a better footing if

00:25:10.500 they had tried to just do pre, you know, January 20th, 2017 conduct into the indictment.

00:25:17.620 But they didn't do that.

00:25:18.740 And then, you know, they put this in front of the jury.

00:25:21.760 The jury can't.

00:25:22.720 The jury's already ruled based on hearing what Hope Hicks said.

00:25:25.660 I think the whole trial is infected.

00:25:27.940 It needs to be wiped out.

00:25:29.820 And I think this is one reason why Judge Mershon, or Justice Mershon, said that he was going

00:25:36.660 to put off the sentencing because he still hasn't ruled on this motion.

00:25:40.180 And that's part of my prediction of why I think he's going to rule on the motion before and

00:25:44.700 then take the sentencing off calendar.

00:25:47.000 He could do other things, as we've also talked about.

00:25:49.760 But my money is on the fact that he's going to pull the plug on this one.

00:25:53.700 Yeah, I sort of had a very bad opinion of him in the beginning, based on what we've

00:25:59.120 seen, his daughter making millions of dollars off the Democratic DNC and Kamala Harris and

00:26:04.120 all that stuff.

00:26:04.600 But, you know, as time progressed, obviously, he's not a good man for not dismissing this

00:26:08.260 case.

00:26:08.500 But it seems as time progressed, he got a little bit better with not wanting to interfere with

00:26:12.500 the election.

00:26:13.740 And sort of, I think the lights turned on for him that it's probably best to not play politics

00:26:19.600 here.

00:26:19.900 But let's talk about where this case started in the beginning.

00:26:22.600 Go ahead.

00:26:23.220 Yeah.

00:26:23.560 Let me quickly compare something.

00:26:25.480 Right.

00:26:25.720 Because what Judge Chetkin did with the Jack Smith, D.C.

00:26:28.940 case and what Judge Mershon did with this criminal sentencing under New York state law, they

00:26:35.040 just they diverged paths.

00:26:36.940 So Judge Chetkin is presented with the issue.

00:26:40.160 The remand comes back to her from Trump v.

00:26:42.220 U.S.

00:26:42.920 You know, do I basically like put this off or do I do it now?

00:26:46.540 And she's like, no, we're going to we're going to do it now.

00:26:48.820 Whereas Mershon's like, you know, I got to decide this issue of whether the Hope Hicks

00:26:55.520 thing has polluted my trial.

00:26:57.220 I'm going to push this until after the election.

00:27:00.420 And so, you know, I think he took the more judicious route.

00:27:03.780 Yeah.

00:27:04.500 And who knows, maybe he has ambitions for higher state court office inside New York, whereas

00:27:10.720 Judge Chetkin may think that, you know, she's just out to get Trump.

00:27:16.580 But anyway, it's very interesting that the two judges went in a different direction on

00:27:20.540 a on it's you know, the cases are different.

00:27:22.500 But this issue of what to do about the Trump immunity case hit both of them at roughly the

00:27:27.480 same time, which is why I clarified towards the end.

00:27:30.480 I don't want the audience to get all angry at me that I'm defending Judge Womert-Chan

00:27:33.460 because I'm not by any means.

00:27:34.860 He should have dismissed this case right away when they started going into the whole sexual

00:27:39.360 allegations and all that stuff in a courtroom, which was not supposed to be there.

00:27:42.500 He should have recused himself because his daughter's like a big Democrat.

00:27:46.780 Well, that's part of the reason I think a couple of what you said of why he sort of

00:27:52.120 took the divergence and they went two separate ways.

00:27:54.100 He's the writings on the wall for him.

00:27:55.700 He's extremely conflicted.

00:27:56.980 His daughter make no doubt.

00:27:59.300 He talks to his daughter.

00:28:00.640 I'm sure often as most of us talk to our parents and your kids often.

00:28:04.700 So that's the other issue.

00:28:05.880 But where this case first started, Jeff, Michael Cohen, I just pulled up Michael Cohen's Twitter

00:28:10.480 because I wanted to see what he was up to today, if he had anything to say.

00:28:14.340 And the last thing I see on his Twitter, it's a post that says it's a video.

00:28:18.860 Trump's campaign backfires in the final hours.

00:28:21.220 Well, that shouldn't age too well, Jeff.

00:28:24.560 But I don't even understand how you start a case from a guy who was a convicted known liar.

00:28:30.820 Jeff, the guy has lied his entire adult career when it came to issues like this,

00:28:36.860 lying about the checks, lying about what Donald Trump told him.

00:28:39.960 The man went to jail, Jeff, for lying under oath.

00:28:43.120 And then they put him in the courtroom, lies again.

00:28:46.000 He's still their star witness.

00:28:47.360 When Donald Trump's legal team tries to bring in Bob Costello, who was Trump's lawyer and

00:28:51.620 Michael Cohen's lawyer, Judge Merchant says, no dice.

00:28:54.860 We don't want to hear from you.

00:28:55.840 How is that allowed?

00:28:57.000 Yeah, you know, it's truly amazing.

00:29:00.940 I went up one of the days of the trial for President Trump to show support and also to

00:29:07.220 see for myself how things were going because there are no cameras in the courtroom.

00:29:11.780 Like the setup basically was there are people allowed into the main courtroom live, you know,

00:29:16.140 where you're seeing the people physically with your own eyes.

00:29:19.520 And then there was an overflow room that was larger where you could watch

00:29:23.280 closed circuit TV video of what was going on in the court.

00:29:26.920 Right.

00:29:27.120 Which is not the same as being there.

00:29:28.600 But that video is not broadcast to the outside world.

00:29:31.420 So I was there actually for the day that that Michael Cohen was cross-examined by Todd Blanche,

00:29:39.500 President Trump's main lawyer for that case.

00:29:42.080 And I mean, he was just lying all over the place.

00:29:44.240 My favorite example of him lying was Todd Blanche pointing out that he once he had gotten

00:29:50.800 convicted and sent to prison, he was working on legal research to try to help get himself

00:29:56.580 out of jail.

00:29:57.700 And he wrote some sections of a brief, but he wrote it using AI and produced case citations

00:30:07.520 that don't exist.

00:30:08.740 And Michael Cohen was too dumb to understand that.

00:30:11.800 And I mean, it's just like this guy, you know, he kind of had a taxi cab medallions.

00:30:18.780 That's how we made money.

00:30:20.100 Right.

00:30:20.300 And then he would just kind of get into Trump and then, you know, talk to people and pretend

00:30:26.880 to be like bigwig and stuff.

00:30:28.380 But this that's a guy who should be nowhere near writing briefs or appearing in court or

00:30:33.240 doing any actual lawyer work.

00:30:35.820 It's truly extraordinary.

00:30:37.100 And as you pointed out, right, he lied.

00:30:38.740 You don't know.

00:30:39.240 Like he's told so many lies and they're all tied up in a mess.

00:30:42.420 You don't know, like when he's telling the truth, even if he's talking about his own

00:30:45.560 family.

00:30:46.000 Like, didn't he say something?

00:30:47.520 I may be incorrect on this, but I remember someone saying, and I think it was him.

00:30:51.260 Didn't he say something along the lines of, I started lying and I kept lying and I couldn't

00:30:55.300 stop lying or something along the lines of, like I couldn't keep myself from lying?

00:30:59.740 Yes.

00:31:00.680 Well, Jeff, it's sad that we have to laugh about this because it's Donald Trump's life

00:31:05.640 on the line here with this court and the money that he had to spend.

00:31:09.000 And I think Todd Blanch did a great job representing him.

00:31:11.560 But at the end of the day, Jeff, he was dealt a deck of cards that was sevens and twos while

00:31:17.420 they had a deck of aces and a board full of aces.

00:31:20.220 I mean, there's literally nothing you could do in corrupt New York.

00:31:22.880 I want to take one more quick break here.

00:31:24.220 And we return.

00:31:25.500 Tish James is not letting up on Donald Trump and she's ready to go after him once again

00:31:31.120 for we don't know what yet.

00:31:32.900 Like I said, folks, Jeff's in this fight.

00:31:35.300 He's the DOJ is coming.

00:31:37.120 Everyone's coming after Jeff and he's got to pay for his legal bills out of his own

00:31:40.960 pocket.

00:31:41.520 So anything you guys can give Jeff 5, 10, 20, 30, 50, 100 bucks, you know, dollar plus dollar

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00:31:56.540 We're coming right back with Jeff.

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00:33:04.300 We're back.

00:33:07.400 We're talking with former United States Assistant Attorney General Jeff Clark, one of the great

00:33:12.100 Americans who's been persecuted by a corrupt justice system, which I now think is going

00:33:17.980 to probably take a turn with President Trump returning to the White House in January.

00:33:22.440 I think we can only hope to God.

00:33:24.560 One person who's not ready to work with President Trump, or she says she's ready to work with

00:33:28.020 President Trump, but she held a press conference saying she's also ready to not work with President

00:33:32.500 Trump, is none other than New York AG Tish James.

00:33:35.540 Take a listen to her this week, this deranged Marxist.

00:33:39.180 We did not expect this result, but we are prepared to respond to this result.

00:33:46.200 And my office has been preparing for several months because we've been here before.

00:33:53.320 We faced this challenge before, and we used the rule of law to fight back.

00:34:02.060 And we are prepared to fight back once again.

00:34:07.880 Because as the Attorney General of this great state, it is my job to protect and defend the

00:34:12.920 rights of New Yorkers and the rule of law.

00:34:17.920 And I will not shrink from that responsibility.

00:34:22.440 Jeff, what is wrong with that woman?

00:34:26.140 I mean, President Trump, he has the right to have so much animosity towards these people,

00:34:31.060 Eric Adams, all of them.

00:34:32.560 And all you hear from Donald Trump time and time again, we saw him at the dinner going up

00:34:37.280 to Kathy Hochul, shaking her hand, Eric Adams, and the only one he wanted nothing to do with

00:34:43.060 was Bill de Blasio.

00:34:44.060 Bill de Blasio is hated by people on the right and left.

00:34:46.120 So I understand that one.

00:34:47.340 But I think Donald Trump is at a point in his life, Jeff, he's at the age where he doesn't

00:34:52.100 want any more issues.

00:34:53.180 I think he's ready to make amends with some of these people and say, you know, enough's

00:34:56.540 enough.

00:34:57.240 What is wrong with her?

00:34:58.620 Look, in seeing her, let's go back to the videos that she produced when she was running

00:35:06.060 to be the state attorney general of New York.

00:35:08.540 There was a real swagger to her and a promise that she was going to get Trump.

00:35:12.540 She was going to take him out.

00:35:13.700 Right.

00:35:13.920 In watching that press conference today, I see a mix of two emotions in the in the body

00:35:20.740 language and her facial expressions, subtle as they are, which is fear and anger.

00:35:27.400 She's really mad that Kamala Harris lost to Trump in a big way.

00:35:31.260 And that comes through.

00:35:32.620 And it also just there are ways in which it looked to me like she's worried and she's

00:35:37.720 decided that her best strategy, given that she brought these cases and went out on that

00:35:43.000 limb, especially a vowing that she was going to do it to like specifically take him out.

00:35:47.640 No, no law enforcement official should be vowing in advance of actually doing an investigation,

00:35:54.220 looking at briefs, looking at, you know, defenses, et cetera, that they're going to take somebody

00:36:00.280 out like that is just not lawyerly conduct.

00:36:03.160 It's not consistent with any kind of oath of office.

00:36:05.600 But that's what she did.

00:36:06.860 So I think she's worried.

00:36:07.800 And I think that's where the fear is coming from.

00:36:09.920 And then in terms of President Trump, I thought last night that his speech was magnanimous and

00:36:15.840 it was, you know, sort of putting an olive branch out.

00:36:18.960 And, you know, I think that that's genuine.

00:36:22.200 And I think he's lived his life like that.

00:36:25.040 Right.

00:36:25.220 Like there is no more fierce competitor in the business world or in the any kind of world

00:36:31.080 of competition than Donald Trump.

00:36:33.660 And so, you know, if you're if you try to kick him, he's going to kick back.

00:36:37.560 Right.

00:36:38.000 But there comes a time where he just tries to, you know, to say they'll kind of recognize

00:36:42.860 recognize you lost, you know, kind of go off the field and, you know, then then this will

00:36:48.940 be done.

00:36:49.420 Right.

00:36:49.600 And that's what he did with Hillary Clinton.

00:36:51.980 Right.

00:36:52.200 So during the 2016 campaign, you know, he's involved in chants of lock her up.

00:36:58.680 But, you know, he didn't do anything to lock her up.

00:37:01.140 You know, during the time he was in office from 2017 to 2021, he focused on how to try

00:37:06.780 to help the American people.

00:37:08.100 Right.

00:37:08.560 And, you know, it doesn't seem like that's what Joe Biden and Kamala Harris focused on.

00:37:13.780 You know, they maintain the fiction that DOJ is independent and they had nothing to do

00:37:19.120 with the bringing of the charges.

00:37:20.480 You know, like, come on, nobody believes that.

00:37:23.220 And and America First Legal actually had found through FOIA the document showing that Biden

00:37:27.640 had specifically authorized special access to Trump's documents before they went after

00:37:33.020 him for Mar-a-Lago.

00:37:34.000 So the lie has been exposed.

00:37:36.440 And also this also helps answer the very first topic you started with today, John, which is

00:37:40.880 this idea of like DOJ is independent.

00:37:43.480 If DOJ is really independent of the president.

00:37:47.580 Right.

00:37:48.140 Then they have this narrow window of independence between now and January 20th, 2025 to try to

00:37:55.540 keep going after Trump.

00:37:56.680 And then they could even try to keep doing that afterwards.

00:37:59.980 They could issue, you know, they could try to get, you know, advocate for a new LLC opinion

00:38:04.100 to reverse the old one or something.

00:38:05.860 But it seems like they realize that that see the handwriting on the wall, none of that's

00:38:10.000 going to work.

00:38:10.920 And that's what's really motivating, you know, them leaking that they're going to take this

00:38:14.420 down.

00:38:15.140 But I again, I'm I'm think that they're going to try to keep one foot in the world of going

00:38:20.460 after Trump and one foot in the world of kind of recognizing that they can't.

00:38:24.680 But I think Tish James has chosen a different strategy.

00:38:28.340 I think her strategy is I'm just going to keep going after this guy because I'm a state

00:38:33.200 official.

00:38:34.100 He can't, you know, take me out or at least it'll be harder for him to do that.

00:38:38.840 So, you know, the best, you know, protection for me, the best defense is a good offense

00:38:43.940 against Trump.

00:38:44.580 And that's what she's doing.

00:38:46.140 Yeah.

00:38:46.740 Speaking about the olive ranch, he spoke about on election night or early morning Wednesday

00:38:52.000 when he came out and spoke to his packed house.

00:38:55.100 The olive ranch is absolutely genuine.

00:38:56.700 Like you said, in 2016, he offered it to Hillary Clinton and he took the high road.

00:39:01.540 You know, everyone comes out and says, well, not everyone, but the Marxist Dems come out

00:39:04.500 and say Trump's a bully.

00:39:05.360 He goes after people.

00:39:06.560 If you go look at everybody he's went after, Jeff, they've come after him first.

00:39:10.740 It's very rare you see Donald Trump go out there on Twitter or on Truth Social and attack

00:39:14.540 somebody without going to look and see what they said about him first.

00:39:18.460 And that's just the truth.

00:39:20.120 It's very rare you see, excuse me, Donald Trump going out there and throwing, flamethrowing

00:39:26.280 at people who haven't come after him first.

00:39:28.760 We've heard the Marxist Dems come out and say he's going to go after his political opponents.

00:39:32.500 Obviously the same thing they've done for him coming after you, coming after Steve Bannon,

00:39:36.240 Peter Navarro, the list goes on.

00:39:37.700 The January Sixers, the political pawns that are in jail right now, who will hopefully

00:39:42.140 be out on January 21st, January 20th, when he takes office, who have been there for far

00:39:46.680 too long.

00:39:48.940 It's truly troubling to me to see.

00:39:51.340 And, you know, I'm all for taking the high road, Jeff.

00:39:53.620 I'm not a fan of conflict.

00:39:55.760 But at this point in our lives, Jeff, with what has happened to you, with what has happened

00:40:00.700 to President Trump, what happened to his family, I don't think we could take the high

00:40:05.080 road this time for the sake of the country.

00:40:07.120 I'm not just talking for the sake of Donald Trump, for the sake of Jeff, Jeff Clark.

00:40:11.260 I'm saying for the sake of our country and every single person who's going to run for

00:40:15.700 office or hold the position for someone who's not a popular candidate to the other side.

00:40:21.340 What do you think?

00:40:22.980 I think that, look, there, there, there is a sense in which at the margins you should try

00:40:29.720 to be magnanimous and you certainly shouldn't be stretching the law or stretching the facts.

00:40:35.460 Jeff, I'm not saying break the law.

00:40:37.140 I'm saying follow the law.

00:40:38.800 No, I understand.

00:40:39.720 But, but so what I'm, what I think is, look, I think what's happened over the last four years

00:40:44.480 with this unprecedented lawfare is something that requires consequences.

00:40:49.820 And it, at the very least, it requires setting up new defensive mechanisms so that that conduct

00:40:55.800 cannot be repeated in the future.

00:40:58.280 And, you know, I'd like to see that an attorney general is appointed who, who believes in that

00:41:04.520 and for there, you know, to be some accountability for what happened during these periods.

00:41:09.600 Like, it shouldn't be that the Democrats, you know, they do break the law.

00:41:15.400 They do stretch the law.

00:41:16.540 They do stretch the facts.

00:41:17.700 And they just decide to like willy nilly go after people.

00:41:20.580 And then, you know, they're defeated politically.

00:41:23.380 And then they're like, oh, you know, I just leave us alone.

00:41:26.180 It's much like what happened with, with COVID, right?

00:41:29.060 So they tell all these lies about COVID.

00:41:31.400 They put vaccine mandates in place.

00:41:33.940 People lose their jobs.

00:41:35.240 I think the airline industry is still crippled in many ways because of the Biden vaccine mandate.

00:41:42.160 And then, you know, like once it comes out that this was all based on fake science or

00:41:46.560 non-science or just, you know, oh, we just made up six feet distancing, you know, because

00:41:51.080 we thought it was kind of, you know, it made some sense to us, but there's no real data behind

00:41:56.040 it.

00:41:56.460 Once all the lies come out, then they're like, oh, we need a kind of, you know, COVID amnesty.

00:42:00.840 Don't come after us for the lies that we're told.

00:42:03.340 And, you know, like it can't work like that.

00:42:06.140 Otherwise, you just have an alternate period of the Democrats go after people, they lose,

00:42:12.680 and then they come back into power and then they go after people.

00:42:15.820 You know, we have to put an end to this stuff and we have to incentivize putting an end to

00:42:20.020 that stuff so that we get back to equal enforcement of the laws and benefit of all under our

00:42:25.920 constitution.

00:42:26.600 And that's our system, John.

00:42:28.200 The only way, Jeff, we have that is to hold these people accountable for what they've done.

00:42:31.920 Anthony Fauci, we constantly hear him.

00:42:33.660 You brought up COVID.

00:42:34.640 He's the victim.

00:42:35.760 There in no world is Anthony Fauci a victim of anything with what he's done.

00:42:40.320 You mentioned the six-foot rule.

00:42:44.480 It was rather a law, I guess you can say.

00:42:46.860 He said he made the whole thing up.

00:42:48.640 I mean, the COVID vaccines, no accountability, Jeff, for vaccine makers.

00:42:54.400 Put this in your body.

00:42:55.260 You have to do it.

00:42:56.060 And if something happens to you, you cannot sue us because we have no accountability.

00:43:00.660 We have a no accountability waiver that we can do whatever we want.

00:43:03.640 That's wrong.

00:43:04.780 That's not American.

00:43:06.580 That's right.

00:43:07.360 And look, John, this isn't widely known because, you know, for so long as to me, the left and,

00:43:14.560 you know, the January 6th committee is allowed to sort of run rampant with their narrative

00:43:18.780 creation and the fact that they don't observe privilege like an executive privilege, law

00:43:24.360 enforcement privilege, attorney-client privilege, et cetera.

00:43:27.000 These, you know, throw all that aside to get after Trump.

00:43:30.420 But they tried to paint me as some kind of legal idiot.

00:43:33.400 And I'd suggest to you that anyone who watched this interview and listens to me explain how

00:43:39.300 different legal, you know, aspects of our system work and is on top of the facts and

00:43:44.420 the law in particular cases, that's really true.

00:43:47.220 But here's something that's not widely known that relates to COVID.

00:43:50.680 I headed up the civil division, which is 1,000 lawyers.

00:43:54.000 And one of the things the head of the civil division does is he administers the vaccine

00:43:59.540 compensation program.

00:44:01.400 So I saw, you know, all of the inside information about different vaccines.

00:44:06.780 This was before claims about COVID vaccines hit because you obviously need some, you know,

00:44:11.380 delay period right between the time that people took the vaccine and then the time their

00:44:14.720 injury manifests.

00:44:16.120 So I could see that that was going to be a big strain on the system eventually.

00:44:20.540 And sure enough, the career people working on that program are like, yeah, we're putting

00:44:24.440 aside extra resources to deal with the inevitable COVID claims that are going to come.

00:44:28.640 But I saw it as to all kinds of past vaccines.

00:44:31.060 And you would see the record where the doctors would come in, you know, with the parents, with

00:44:36.480 children who were, you know, those are the most heartbreaking cases, just terribly damaged

00:44:41.440 by vaccines.

00:44:42.380 Right.

00:44:42.700 Like, you know, my son or daughter is like, you know, six months, 18 months, like totally

00:44:47.800 normal.

00:44:48.260 And then like they get this like a whole battery of vaccines and they wind up like almost in

00:44:53.840 a vegetative state or they're paralyzed or they're brain damaged.

00:44:58.220 And then, you know, the government would have experts on the other side.

00:45:02.260 And I got so many of these settlements where I would read the government's experts and they'd

00:45:06.600 be like, yeah, you know, like there really is.

00:45:09.220 We tried to rule out all other causes and we can't find any alternative alternative explanation

00:45:16.020 for why this particular baby was damaged.

00:45:19.220 Like we actually, you know, they oftentimes didn't cross the T, but what they were saying

00:45:24.240 is like, yeah, I must have been caused by the vaccine.

00:45:26.140 And then in those cases, the settlement amount that was recommended to me and that I would

00:45:31.420 then decide on would get larger.

00:45:33.380 So, you know, like there is a serious problem with the liability protection for the pharma

00:45:39.380 industry in America.

00:45:41.100 We obviously don't want the, you know, a whole bunch of ambulance chasing lawyers to drive

00:45:46.220 medical innovation to zero.

00:45:48.660 But by the same token, we don't want to prevent people from getting full compensation for injuries

00:45:53.880 from vaccines, John.

00:45:55.320 Yeah.

00:45:55.520 And you can't, Jeff, you can't put a price on somebody's life.

00:45:57.640 I think if you get in an airline accident and you die in an airline, your body's worth $250,000.

00:46:01.820 If you died in 9-11, you got $250,000 and then another $250,000 if you were sick before,

00:46:07.080 whatever.

00:46:07.740 There's no price you could put on someone's life.

00:46:09.420 I think my life's worth a billion dollars, Jeff.

00:46:11.160 Who's giving me a billion dollars if I die?

00:46:12.840 You know what I mean?

00:46:13.900 So it's sick that it has to even come to that.

00:46:16.120 But if you put, Jeff, if you put, and I'm going to play a clip in just a second from RFK

00:46:21.100 Jr., who's hopefully going to be part of a Trump administration come January, and he

00:46:26.540 wants to hold these people accountable.

00:46:28.020 But if you started putting some sort of liability on these vaccines, I guarantee you, Jeff, these

00:46:36.100 30 or so vaccines a kid gets or somewhere in that range when they're born is going to

00:46:40.560 cut down tremendously, hepatitis B.

00:46:43.520 You're giving a kid a hepatitis B shot as soon as they're born, which the only way you get

00:46:46.840 that is through a sexually transmitted disease.

00:46:49.280 Things like that that you're shoving in these babies as soon as they're born, you know, I

00:46:53.540 think it's completely unethical.

00:46:54.600 But I want to play a clip of RFK and the left, Jeff, is melting down about the fact that

00:46:59.460 RFK, a vaccine denier, we're election deniers.

00:47:03.380 He's a vaccine denier for all intents and purposes.

00:47:06.820 Take a listen to MSNBC melting down in this interview with RFK.

00:47:10.940 You say clearing out the corruption in your terms.

00:47:13.120 Would that mean clearing out the top level federal service workers that are currently at

00:47:17.540 the FDA and CDC?

00:47:18.800 In some categories, I would say.

00:47:20.520 What does that look like?

00:47:21.320 Yeah.

00:47:21.440 In some categories of workers, there are entire departments like the nutrition departments

00:47:26.640 at FDA that have to go, that are not doing their job.

00:47:34.520 They're not protecting our kids.

00:47:36.100 Why do we have Froot Loops in this country that have 18 or 19 ingredients and you go to

00:47:41.040 Canada and it's got two or three?

00:47:42.980 Would you eliminate any of the agencies?

00:47:44.380 To eliminate the agencies, as long as it requires congressional approval, I wouldn't be doing

00:47:52.720 that.

00:47:53.640 I can get the corruption out of the agencies.

00:47:55.720 That's what I've been doing for 40 years.

00:47:57.840 I've sued all those agencies.

00:47:59.640 I have a PhD in corporate corruption and that's what I do.

00:48:02.580 And once they're not corrupt, once Americans are getting good science and are allowed to

00:48:07.380 make their own choices, they're going to get a lot healthier.

00:48:09.840 So, Jeff, as somebody who's worked with this, what's your take on RFK and the draining of

00:48:16.920 the swamp that he wants to do inside the FDA when it comes to, we'll talk about vaccines,

00:48:21.300 but it's food as well?

00:48:22.940 I completely agree with him and I've agreed with him.

00:48:27.700 There are other issues that I disagree with him about, right?

00:48:30.320 I, this is, you know, even captured last night, this is the second time I saw President Trump

00:48:35.420 do it where he talks about, you know, RFK making America healthy again, completely agree.

00:48:41.560 The Froot Loops example is like a great one.

00:48:43.940 I have all my vaccine stories that I started, you know, to give you a sense of here.

00:48:47.940 I think he's totally right about that.

00:48:49.380 And I, myself, it's not like I started out as some kind of major vaccine skeptic.

00:48:53.740 I no longer take the flu vaccine.

00:48:55.700 And I'll tell you that since I stopped taking the flu vaccine and I got a hassle with my

00:48:59.460 doctor every time I go in, I don't get the flu anymore.

00:49:03.840 So, you know, I'm just like, there's a basic, you know, even if it could be the, the before

00:49:10.620 after fallacy in terms of like, just because something happens after something else doesn't

00:49:15.840 mean it necessarily was caused by the thing that occurs after.

00:49:18.720 Yes, but like the fact that I was getting the flu regularly, like a couple of times a

00:49:24.700 year when I took the vaccine and now I no longer get it at all is pretty telling.

00:49:29.100 And so I agree with him about that.

00:49:30.580 The thing that, that I disagree with him about, and it's clear President Trump disagrees with

00:49:34.500 him about is, you know, regulation of the oil industry.

00:49:38.540 And, you know, Trump captures that in this, you know, humorous kind of vignette he relates

00:49:44.020 where he says like, you know, don't touch that, that black gold, Bobby, don't, don't

00:49:50.420 touch that.

00:49:51.080 We need that for America.

00:49:52.360 And I agree.

00:49:53.280 Look, the thing is you can get cancer from, you know, products from the oil industry.

00:50:00.100 For instance, like benzene is a leukemogen, right?

00:50:03.740 So we, we know these things, but we also know how to take reasonable precautions and the

00:50:08.260 utility of the product of oil and how it fuels our entire economy literally as well as

00:50:13.640 figuratively.

00:50:14.500 It's just, it's so valuable.

00:50:16.180 And on net, it is beneficial.

00:50:18.100 It's brought people out of poverty.

00:50:19.880 It's what explains our first world standard of living versus, you know, third world standards

00:50:24.960 of living.

00:50:25.700 And so, you know, I think that, that RFK is a wise man.

00:50:30.640 I think that everything he does is a matter of good faith.

00:50:33.480 I don't think he's just like doing this.

00:50:35.420 Yeah.

00:50:35.640 And so, you know, he's definitely right about the corruption in our public health industry.

00:50:41.660 And I really want to see him join to run an agency to go root that stuff out and try to

00:50:48.460 make America healthy again.

00:50:49.640 So I've become, you know, when he started coming out against the COVID vaccine and all

00:50:53.740 the problems with the fakeness of the COVID pandemic, you know, I became a big fan of

00:50:59.320 his.

00:50:59.620 And so I want to see him get into the administration.

00:51:03.320 You're talking about the oil thing.

00:51:04.760 It's funny because the Democrats don't realize, Jeff, these electric cars, what fuels the factories

00:51:10.400 that you're building the batteries in, what fuels the vehicles that these, the 18 wheelers

00:51:15.000 that these things are being delivered on.

00:51:16.580 And the core rule of it is, is fossil fuels.

00:51:18.980 And we're never going to be able to get rid of fossil fuels.

00:51:21.480 And I think Bobby Kennedy probably knows that.

00:51:23.960 And, you know, he is an L.A. Democrat, which is fine.

00:51:27.580 He's a reasonable Democrat.

00:51:29.200 And him and Trump obviously agreed on enough.

00:51:32.000 Kennedy went out on the limb to endorse Trump.

00:51:34.040 And his wife's, I say this all the time, his wife's a Hollywood actor who's best friends

00:51:38.840 with Larry David, did one of the greatest shows on television, in my opinion, Curb Your

00:51:42.320 Enthusiasm, for 20-something seasons.

00:51:44.280 So for him to come out here and go on the limb, you know, it did put his wife in a very hard

00:51:49.160 place.

00:51:49.440 It probably put him in a very hard place.

00:51:50.780 He probably lost a lot of friends.

00:51:51.980 So I don't think he's doing this for his own personal good.

00:51:55.840 He did.

00:51:56.180 Right.

00:51:56.320 Exactly.

00:51:56.720 I completely agree with you.

00:51:57.740 And not only did he suffer, you know, slings and arrows from those on the left that previously

00:52:04.440 idolized him, which was, you know, hard enough.

00:52:07.500 And I've experienced these things, too.

00:52:09.420 Right.

00:52:09.560 Believe me, all kinds of conservative legal luminaries have come out against me based on

00:52:15.400 distortions from The New York Times and not even hearing my side of the story, because

00:52:18.740 my side of the story in large part is privileged.

00:52:22.140 And so I totally get that.

00:52:23.880 I respect him for that.

00:52:24.880 But worse than that, like his whole family came out against him.

00:52:28.020 Right.

00:52:28.840 Practically.

00:52:29.560 And that like has to hurt.

00:52:31.200 And also, look, I don't think that on all these issues, his wife, Cheryl Hines, the actress

00:52:36.480 necessarily agrees with him about everything, but she supports him.

00:52:41.200 And, you know, that's a sign of a very good wife and a sign of, you know, I just I have

00:52:46.880 a lot of respect for her for that.

00:52:48.520 Right.

00:52:48.820 I based on what I'd seen before, I sort of just put her in the standard Hollywood actress

00:52:54.380 category.

00:52:54.800 But I think that I have a great respect for her now in terms of how she dealt with the

00:53:00.680 attacks on him and the fact that once he made the choice to support Trump as the best way

00:53:05.160 to try to get to advance the make America healthy again agenda, she was totally with

00:53:09.900 him.

00:53:10.100 And that's commendable.

00:53:11.600 George Conway should take some notes from him.

00:53:13.480 Someone who's not an honorable person.

00:53:15.700 Yeah.

00:53:16.440 Yeah.

00:53:16.660 How he how he dealt with it on the flip side, you know, is is an object lesson of what not

00:53:22.060 to do.

00:53:22.580 That's for sure.

00:53:23.420 Yeah.

00:53:23.580 He's a Conway.

00:53:24.680 There's no doubt in my mind is a sick guy.

00:53:26.280 I sit on Twitter all day trolling him, telling him enough with the Ozempic.

00:53:29.460 I think it's getting your brain.

00:53:30.660 I don't know what happened to him.

00:53:32.640 Very sick man.

00:53:33.960 Before we wrap up, Jeff, I want to talk about a thing that I think we both believe in.

00:53:37.740 And it's election integrity.

00:53:39.600 There's a statute of limitations, I believe, of five years or something like that on election

00:53:43.780 integrity. I don't think Donald Trump should let the 2020 election go by the wayside for

00:53:49.120 what we saw there, especially after seeing the numbers we saw come in, Jeff.

00:53:53.500 I was looking at a chart that was put out today in 2012.

00:53:57.220 The Democrats got about 65 million votes in the popular vote in 2016, about 65 million

00:54:02.220 in the in the popular vote in 2020, Jeff, 81 million votes, obviously.

00:54:08.420 And now as this race wraps up here, it's going to look like about 67 million, 68 million,

00:54:14.420 somewhere around there.

00:54:15.500 So two million off of what they're usually two million more than what they're usually

00:54:19.540 getting.

00:54:21.200 Jeff, I think after looking at numbers like that, it makes it proves all of us, quote,

00:54:27.180 election deniers to be true, that there were issues in the 2020 election.

00:54:32.180 You don't go from an average of 65 to 67 million votes to all of a sudden, 81 million votes for

00:54:38.220 the most popular president who's been the most unpopular president, I think, of probably

00:54:42.240 your lifetime and my lifetime.

00:54:43.980 And that's including Jimmy Carter.

00:54:46.300 What's your thoughts on how President Trump should proceed before any sort of statute of

00:54:50.500 limitations run out on the 2020 election to ensure that we don't ever see this again

00:54:55.320 in our country?

00:54:56.040 I think it needs to be deeply investigated.

00:55:00.420 And I think that, you know, the statistical points you're making right there, even far

00:55:05.520 more, you know, complicated and sophisticated statistical points that come from econometric

00:55:10.360 studies, including one from the great economist John Locke that I introduced in my defense at

00:55:16.500 my bar trial, which is still part of the record there.

00:55:20.300 And, you know, Bill Barr and Jeff Rosen that, you know, the DAG, the deputy attorney general

00:55:25.360 became acting attorney general, like they didn't want to hear about that stuff at all.

00:55:28.280 But actually, since I have a background in economics and I practiced in that area for

00:55:33.720 three years before I went to law school and then got a special fellowship to do law and

00:55:37.800 economics in law school, I understand statistics.

00:55:41.200 I understand, you know, these kinds of studies.

00:55:44.460 And that that was very important information to me.

00:55:47.460 So we do need to investigate this.

00:55:49.880 I would say at the flip side, though, that we don't want to boil the oceans for it.

00:55:54.840 Right.

00:55:55.060 The entirety of the Justice Department under President Trump should not be focused on reexamining

00:56:00.960 issues from 2020 because we're going to have new issues to deal with.

00:56:04.800 We're going to have the covid investigations to deal with.

00:56:08.520 We're going to have investigations related to people lying to Congress during this Biden

00:56:16.200 administration.

00:56:17.640 And, you know, we're going to have just all the standard mind run of President Trump will

00:56:21.660 be adopting new rulemakings and his agencies will be doing that and they have to be defended.

00:56:26.820 Right.

00:56:27.060 So, you know, it can't be the be all and end all.

00:56:30.440 So there's a kind of natural break point for it.

00:56:33.360 But we can't do nothing as well because it's a very serious issue.

00:56:37.460 It takes a serious look to prevent future problems and to reassure the American people that after,

00:56:44.460 you know, any accountability is is put in place and after any new fixes are put in place to try to

00:56:52.900 avoid that, that they can trust their elections.

00:56:55.900 My premise behind it, Jeff, is very simple.

00:56:58.080 Ninety percent of these witch hunts and attacks that came after President Trump after the 2020

00:57:03.340 election were based on the 2020 election that that we believe the election was stolen in one way or

00:57:10.140 another. If you look at ballot stuffing, if you look at ballot harvesting in states where it's not

00:57:14.900 legal, that it was done in. That's the premise I look at it.

00:57:18.660 I'm not looking at it from the premise of we need retribution because we think the election maybe was

00:57:24.000 stolen. The premise I'm looking at is they went after President Trump.

00:57:27.140 They continue to go after President Trump legally and lawfare because of an election that we believe

00:57:34.320 was stolen. At the end of the day, Jeff, he left the White House on January 20th,

00:57:39.640 when he was set to leave. Kamala Harris went out there this week on her concession speech and said,

00:57:44.100 oh, we we're going to do a peaceful transition of power. Well, what part of his transition of

00:57:48.400 power wasn't peaceful? He left the White House early that day. He gave Biden a head start to get

00:57:52.640 in there and move in. What part of it wasn't peaceful? It was entirely. All right. It was

00:57:58.040 entirely peaceful. Right. January 6th, in terms of a riot that President Trump did not order,

00:58:04.380 contrary to what the January 6th committee tried to say or or gin up because he told

00:58:09.500 people to march peacefully and patriotically down to the Capitol. Right. But saying to the

00:58:13.700 contrary, cutting that out is just a set of lies. So, look, I agree with you that this is part of

00:58:21.080 their whole fake mythology and narrative that they created that, you know, President Trump had no

00:58:27.080 basis to contest the election and that indeed this was the one that always gets me about the

00:58:33.060 January 6th committee. He was told that he lost. Right. OK. I don't care what Bill Stepien,

00:58:40.360 the campaign manager, thought he knew and what he told President Trump. Right. Like I'm going off of

00:58:46.660 things like Zuckerberg's perverted the election to the tune of 400 plus million dollars. I'm going off

00:58:53.000 the statistical analysis I was talking to you about by John Lott and by other analyses. I'm going off of

00:58:59.540 the fact that they didn't do signature verification in many areas as a result of COVID. I'm going off

00:59:06.320 the fact that they unconstitutionally changed the election rules. Right. Like Bill Stepien, I don't

00:59:12.080 know him. I just read about him. I have no idea like what is in his head versus out of his head.

00:59:17.800 But, you know, for him not to recognize that any of those things are valid issues and that President

00:59:22.400 Trump could have disagreed with him based on those issues. Like it's just ridiculous. Like,

00:59:27.860 yeah, a bunch of like weak, spineless people who were not particularly knowledgeable in key areas,

00:59:34.340 either legally, factually on the ground or as a matter of expert analysis, like by economists.

00:59:41.360 Yeah, they told President Trump they thought he lost. Big whoop. He disagreed with them. And guess

00:59:46.200 what? You know, Bill Stepien's no one holding no office under the of trust and profit under the

00:59:52.140 United States, whereas Donald Trump held the highest office, the presidency of the United States.

00:59:56.300 I take that a lot more seriously. And I also personally agree with President Trump that the

01:00:01.380 2020 election smells so bad. It's like a combination garbage dump and cesspit.

01:00:07.620 Right. And who the hell, Jeff, who the hell Bill Stepien, one of them. But you see some of these

01:00:12.460 other people, the girl who said that Trump tried to take over the beast and told the guy to get out of

01:00:19.280 the way, Cassidy Hutchinson. We now find out she was talking with Liz Cheney. At the end of the day,

01:00:24.040 he's the president of the United States. And I'm not saying this in a dictator type way, but he doesn't

01:00:28.620 have to listen to anybody, Jeff. He is the commander in chief of this country. He makes the final call

01:00:34.340 on if we blow up a country, if we do this, if we do that. He has advisors around him or, you know,

01:00:40.560 giving him info. But Jeff, as we saw as he's left office and throughout his administration,

01:00:44.960 that was infiltrated by people who had malice towards him from the inception. Whether you look at John

01:00:51.360 Kelly, you look at Reince Priebus, you look at the various amount of people, Stephanie Grisham,

01:00:55.720 the alcoholic. You look at these various people in his administration who meant to do harm. And it

01:01:02.200 happened from day one. Look what they did to Michael Flynn. That was on absolute day one. They

01:01:07.820 set the man up to fail. So Donald Trump had every right, Jeff, to not listen to these people because

01:01:14.980 of the malice they had towards him. You know, that's the way I look at it.

01:01:21.240 Yeah. So look, you know, who just at the level of if you talk to an American citizen, you could

01:01:28.620 choose them randomly. But as long as you had some guarantee that they were open minded. Right.

01:01:34.360 Who would you trust to make a final decision on an important matter? A 25 year old who, as far as I

01:01:40.480 can tell, knows nothing. Cassidy Hutchinson went to the Christopher Newport University or President

01:01:47.960 Trump, who built a multi-billion dollar business empire, who has a star on the Hollywood Walk of

01:01:56.200 Fame, who was a successful president helping the American people, who is a graduate of the Wharton

01:02:04.360 business school, who has in his family other indications of high IQ, like his uncle, who was

01:02:11.260 an MIT professor, an engineer, and his sister, who was a judge on the third circuit. Right. Like

01:02:17.360 there's just no contest. And, you know, I didn't even use Cassidy Hutchinson. Right. I, you know,

01:02:23.260 I, they, they, it's better case for them to use Bill Stepien. He's an expert in campaigns. Well,

01:02:28.920 he might be an expert at sort of some campaign issues and maybe even knows some law around that

01:02:35.260 area, but he doesn't know about election theft and he doesn't know about how to, you know, study

01:02:41.460 an econometric study and conclude whether it, you know, has a good R squared or not in terms of the

01:02:46.620 equations that are built within it. And, you know, President Trump actually does have expertise in

01:02:51.000 that area. Right. Regularly reviewed business reports. It's just, it's laughable to me what kind

01:02:55.960 of pablum and silliness. They try to sell an MSNBC to the American people. And sadly, too many people

01:03:01.800 buy it. You know, President Trump is a very smart man. And, uh, you know, he did not contest the 2020

01:03:08.280 election for no reason. Um, you know, it wasn't like, uh, when he was behind closed doors, he was

01:03:13.460 like, I know I lost, but then to American people, he's like, I completely won. No, what you see is what

01:03:18.760 you get. And, you know, he thought that was a dirty election and many of us agree with him. And, uh,

01:03:25.640 you know, it's, he didn't do anything wrong and it's, uh, you know, entirely possible for someone

01:03:30.620 to disagree with what the left thinks without becoming a criminal. Yeah. You know, the Jeff,

01:03:35.200 the thing, as I walked through the white house, when president Trump was there, the few times we

01:03:38.300 went to go visit him, uh, you exactly what you said, it was a bunch of 25 year old kids who

01:03:42.900 thought they knew it all. They all thought they were hot shit. They thought they were big shots

01:03:46.060 and that they were going to be the next president of the United States. And they all sought to undermine

01:03:49.880 him at every, and that's what I saw personally from my times, uh, going there to visit,

01:03:54.880 uh, and you had them all, you know, thinking that they were the hot, you know, hot stuff.

01:03:59.620 And they were this, they were calling the shots at the end of the day. Uh, you know, Donald Trump

01:04:03.660 probably listened to some of them on some things, but at the end of the day, uh, made the decision

01:04:07.580 on his own. And the things I learned from president Trump, if he knows what he's talking about,

01:04:11.860 there's nobody who can get inside his head. Who's going to tell him otherwise, if he knows something

01:04:16.220 to be a fact, uh, especially from, like you said, a 25 year old kid, uh, I want to wrap up with this

01:04:21.900 here. I'm sorry for keeping you here so long. Um, a new Trump administration. I would love to see

01:04:26.280 more than anything, uh, Jeff Clark in that administration, uh, to write some of these

01:04:30.980 wrongs that had happened to you and so many other people. Do you think, uh, you know, there's no,

01:04:36.380 there's no secret that president Trump, uh, made a few mistakes in his first term and it was none on

01:04:41.840 his, his behalf. It was all on the people he surrounded himself with because he was led by people

01:04:46.440 like Chris Christie on a transition team. Do you think we see president Trump bring in an acting

01:04:51.840 attorney general who's ready to start getting to work on the first day? Not like a Jeff session,

01:04:57.400 who's ready to recuse himself on the first day. Do you think we see a Trump administration this time

01:05:02.340 around that implements these people? He's surrounded now, uh, Jeff by far better people than he was in

01:05:08.340 2016 and 2020. Elon Musk, the smartest and richest man in the world. Um, uh, Grant Cardone,

01:05:14.920 a venture capitalist, a billionaire, uh, you know, you can go down the list of people,

01:05:19.300 Dana White, Joe Rogan, all these smart people. He surrounded himself or logical people. Do you

01:05:23.600 think we see him surround himself now with people who have his best interests?

01:05:29.320 So look, I can't, uh, comment on anything about myself except to say that, uh, I would be pleased

01:05:36.260 to serve the president in any role that he selected, uh, me asked me to do, uh, you know,

01:05:43.100 public service involves sacrifice. And believe me, nobody knows more, uh, about that than I do

01:05:48.540 because I stood by the president. Um, you know, I got a call actually the morning, uh, after January

01:05:55.100 6th, you know, basically trying to suggest to me that if I noisily denounced president Trump and

01:06:00.920 tied him to January 6th, you know, I would not face any consequences for having raised the issue of

01:06:07.780 investigating the election. Right. So this is one of the deep state's maneuvers. And I couldn't do that

01:06:12.880 because I do believe that there were problems with the 2020 election and I don't think I did

01:06:16.760 anything wrong. And I also don't think president Trump did anything wrong on, uh, January 6th either.

01:06:22.560 So I couldn't do that in good conscience. Right. But here, here's what I would say about, uh, who

01:06:27.700 is selected to run the justice department. I think you're looking for these, uh, things you're looking

01:06:33.920 for someone who has the necessary native brain power. And believe me, the smartest people, uh, in the

01:06:41.900 federal government are lawyers at DOJ, especially ones at, at main justice, especially at some of

01:06:48.260 the key places like OLC that I mentioned and the solicitor general's office. Second, uh, a track

01:06:54.420 record of learning the law and practicing it. Right. You can be very smart, but if you don't have the

01:07:01.220 necessary experience, then, you know, it's difficult to translate that into things and to resist the kinds

01:07:07.160 of things that the, the, the career people come at you with. And believe me, they come at you with

01:07:12.100 from every conceivable angle to try to just keep the status quo and get their way. Third, you need

01:07:18.740 to have someone who understands how main justice works and how it interfaces with, uh, the, the field

01:07:24.380 offices, essentially the U S attorney's offices, the 90 plus of those around the country. Uh, and then

01:07:30.240 fourth, you need to have someone who has a lot of integrity and intestinal fortitude and not someone

01:07:36.520 who's just an establishmentarian, who, who is saying to himself, I either want this job as a

01:07:41.760 political stepping stone to run for future office, or I want this job to become, you know, I get a Fox

01:07:49.300 gig where I want this job so that I can, you know, retire to some kind of like cushy consulting role at

01:07:57.260 a think tank or something like that. You want someone who's going to be rock solid. They're going to stand

01:08:02.160 by the president. They're not going to try to soften everything he does. Instead, if what the

01:08:08.460 president wants to do is consistent within the bounds of the law, uh, that that attorney general

01:08:15.060 would put their own brain power and legal expertise and knowledge of the institutions to use in achieving

01:08:21.120 the president's objectives. Because after all, at the end of the day, any lawyer is not a principal by

01:08:26.560 which I mean, they are not the main decision maker, right? They're, uh, an agent. And who in

01:08:32.240 this case, are they an agent of? They're an agent of the president of the United States. He's the one

01:08:36.480 who's elected by the people. He is the one who is the singular head. He is the entire executive branch

01:08:43.300 in one person. And for too long, we've had attorney generals who thought that they're smarter than the

01:08:48.560 president. They're better than the president. Uh, they're independent of the president. All of those

01:08:53.260 things are nonsense. Are you talking about Bill Barr? He was an agent for the president of the United

01:08:57.940 States. Yeah, you're absolutely right. And I think by, by the assessment of the attorney general,

01:09:02.080 it sounded awfully like the definition of Bill Barr. Uh, Jeff Sessions didn't make it long enough. He

01:09:07.160 was far too feckless. You said testicular fortitude. Uh, I think that's definitely something that,

01:09:11.820 uh, that, uh, Jeff Sessions lost when he left Alabama. I think he left them behind. Uh, but it,

01:09:17.680 you know, it's truly, it's truly sad. I think you're absolutely right. In this administration,

01:09:21.240 he's going to right those wrongs. And like I said, I hope we do see a Jeff Clark in there.

01:09:25.300 You mentioned earlier about anyone questioning your, uh, you know, your legal mind. I think

01:09:29.780 you're a brilliant legal mind, far smarter than some of the idiots that are there right now.

01:09:34.820 And some of the idiots who surrounded president Trump in his first term, who, uh, had malice in

01:09:39.940 their bones, uh, for everyone watching, like I said, please give send go.com forward slash Jeff

01:09:45.060 Clark in this legal fight he's dealing with right now. Um, you know, lawyers aren't cheap,

01:09:50.480 uh, you know, it's, it's draining to these people, millions of dollars down the drain,

01:09:55.020 all because of a, a witch hunt, uh, in which they hate Donald Trump and they, they seek to hurt

01:09:59.740 every single person that he surrounds himself with. But I think this time around, Jeff, we're going to

01:10:04.240 see a far, uh, a different administration and a far different, uh, uh, outcome. So thanks so much

01:10:11.000 for joining us today for a former United States assistant attorney general, Jeff Clark. Uh, once again,

01:10:15.820 give send go.com slash Jeff Clark, thanks so much, Jeff. And we hope to see you, uh, somewhere in

01:10:21.820 Washington, DC, uh, after January 20th. Thank you, John, and pray for president Trump's protection

01:10:28.700 and for, uh, support from God for his prudence. Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much, Jeff. Thank

01:10:35.540 you. Thanks everybody for being with us today. Once again, that link for Jeff is give send go.com

01:10:40.700 forward slash Jeff Clark, uh, what these Marxist dams and, and, uh, corrupt prosecutors,

01:10:47.220 lifelong criminal career prosecutors due to these people is absolutely sick. And, uh, you

01:10:51.780 know, it falls on us to get these people out of the mess that they're in, uh, for fighting

01:10:55.120 for this country. We'll see you back here tomorrow for the great America show where our quest for

01:10:58.840 truth, justice, and the American way prevails. We'll see you back here tomorrow. God bless you

01:11:03.380 and God bless America and God bless the great Lou Dobbs.

01:11:10.700 God bless you and God bless you.

The Great America Show - November 07, 2024

THE POLITICAL PERSECUTIONS ARE OVER

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