The Great America Show - May 19, 2023


THE SURVEILLANCE STATE WILL DESTROY OUR REPUBLIC


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In this episode of The Great America Show, host Lou Dobbs is joined by Russ Theis and former National Security Agency Senior Intelligence Analyst and Whistleblower Russ Eichenauer to discuss the latest in the latest leftist conspiracy theories.

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00:00:26.200 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and this is the Great America Show. Great to have you with us and I hope
00:00:35.180 you're having a great day because a lot of what's going on in this country, let's be honest, it isn't
00:00:40.240 really conducive to really great days, to put it mildly, unless you have a well-nurtured sense of
00:00:46.500 humor and proportion. Here are a few dispatches that the Great America Show intel operatives have
00:00:53.680 intercepted from Marxist Dem operatives, many of them based deep in the very center of the dark
00:01:00.060 D.C. swamp. Some of them open source, I admit. Here we go, and please, much of what you're about
00:01:07.220 to hear is highly sensitive. It may be for some even disturbing or just outrageously absurd.
00:01:14.220 Hunter Biden in the news. Despite the best efforts of Marxist Dems and the deep state to cover for him,
00:01:20.880 it turns out the communist Chinese donors linked to Hunter Biden funneled more than a hundred million
00:01:27.800 dollars to the University of Pennsylvania. That university hosts the Penn Biden Center think
00:01:34.240 tank, where bundles of classified documents taken illegally by Joe Biden were found. Still no word
00:01:42.020 from the Biden special counsel on whether Joe Biden will face multiple charges of treason,
00:01:47.500 felonious possession, a top-secret material, or stealing such material. Wonder whether that
00:01:53.920 hundred million dollars bought the Chinese the opportunity, perhaps, to read all of those highly
00:01:59.640 classified, top-secret documents that Biden had laying around. More reparations talk, you'll be
00:02:06.900 pleased to know. But the Marxist Dems are doing more than talking. Squad member Congresswoman Cori Bush
00:02:13.260 introduced a resolution calling for reparations for descendants of slaves. She and her communist 0.75
00:02:20.280 pals have settled on a number that will soothe those descendants, or at least try to. The number
00:02:27.080 is quite large. The opening bid, 14 trillion dollars. Think about that. You have to wonder how Bush and
00:02:35.660 her communist pals forgot to ask for reparations as well from all those folks in Africa who were selling 0.99
00:02:42.540 slaves to the buyers. That ought to be worth another 14 trillion dollars as well. But then there probably
00:02:49.480 would have to be a deduction for all the Union Army soldiers who were killed, wounded, and maimed in the
00:02:55.940 Civil War, freeing the slaves. That number alone could be substantially higher than the slavery reparations.
00:03:03.320 Think about it. Properly so. And then there might have to be an extra charge for reparations from those
00:03:09.940 people who keep pushing their delusions about reparations into the national media. Silly talk.
00:03:17.300 But so much of what comes out of the Marxist left is just that, right? More good news out of Ukraine. 0.94
00:03:24.440 Turns out the Ukrainian military knows a thing or two about air defense. The Washington Examiner's
00:03:30.200 Jamie McIntyre reporting that in the ninth air attack already this month, the Patriot missile air defense
00:03:36.780 systems shot down 29 of 30 Russian missiles launched against the capital of Kiev. That's quite a success 1.00
00:03:44.860 rate. Let's turn now to our guests, former National Security Agency senior intelligence analyst and
00:03:51.140 whistleblower Russ Theis. Russ, always great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show
00:03:56.580 as we continue our mostly weekly talks about all things intelligence, national security, and of course,
00:04:03.600 truth, justice, and the American way. Russ, let's pick up where we left off in our last discussion.
00:04:10.040 You were telling us about Chinese spies in our intelligence agencies. How could it be?
00:04:16.580 Well, I certainly suspected that there was one. She actually worked for DIA, Defense Intelligence
00:04:22.900 Agency, which I worked with at that time, and I was the NSA liaison. So it was all the hard marks of
00:04:31.880 someone who was involved with espionage, and she, as we mentioned in our last discussion, and
00:04:39.340 basically when her mother showed up, and she should have been there, and her mother was very
00:04:44.060 apparently influential in the Democrat Party, and apparently friends with the Clintons, for that
00:04:49.720 matter, showed up. And that's, I think President Clinton was just at his end of his presidency at the time of
00:04:59.060 that this was happening. That's when she showed up, and the investigation just disappeared, and the
00:05:04.740 counterintelligence officer at DIA said that the issue was over, and he wasn't going to talk any more about it.
00:05:13.240 And the matter went away, as did the suspected Chinese spy, then, I take it. Is that right, Russ?
00:05:22.580 Well, this young lady still worked at the agency, or at the DIA, and interestingly enough, she was
00:05:31.560 automatically given a government-sponsored, basically, a scholarship to go back to George Washington and get a Ph.D.
00:05:43.900 So she was very quickly shipped out of our office, and then she kept showing back up at DIA, after she was
00:05:52.840 supposedly now going to work on her Ph.D., and I thought that was interesting as well. And then finally, when
00:05:58.560 I was at NSA, and the two FBI agents, Cleveland and Smith, you know, they came out that they were
00:06:06.040 sleeping with a Chinese, you know, spy, and both of them, Cleveland and Smith, were basically in charge
00:06:12.480 of counterintelligence for the FBI. Imagine that. Of which one of them, he got a 20-year sentence,
00:06:19.900 as I think Smith did. That's when I called back to the DIA, the DIA and head of counterintelligence,
00:06:27.380 and said, I don't believe the FBI is trustworthy enough to be able to conduct a counterintelligence
00:06:34.380 operation when they themselves are literally sleeping with the enemy.
00:06:39.120 Well, but this is a different spy than the young lady at the DIA, or was it the same spy?
00:06:44.480 No, no, different. This was a different general lady, yes. It was big in the news at the time. 0.99
00:06:50.020 This was, by goodness, over 20 years ago.
00:06:52.760 Right. No, it's interesting, because we are dealing in the plural here. There would be the DIA,
00:06:59.840 then the one within the NSA, if indeed that was the case. It's really amazing, because about that same
00:07:08.080 time, Congressman Swalwell was involved in a honeypot with a Chinese spy. Nothing, by the way,
00:07:19.740 happened to him. There was no penalty for his dalliance with national security and the CCP,
00:07:27.480 but an FBI agent got 20 months in the Hooskow.
00:07:34.120 20 years.
00:07:35.300 20 years?
00:07:37.180 Yeah, 20 years.
00:07:38.820 So, now, I don't know what the case is with this congressman from California, but now, if he was,
00:07:46.640 like, literally sleeping with the enemy to feed the enemy false information, you know,
00:07:51.860 to get back to the, you know, mama homeland in China, then that would be very interesting, 0.94
00:08:00.200 and something that he wouldn't be able to talk about, and then, ultimately, that would have been
00:08:03.500 a very patriotic thing to do, and with fringe benefits, but...
00:08:08.000 I don't hear anybody, Russ, wanting to throw Eric Swalwell a party. It's sort of interesting,
00:08:16.040 and he hasn't claimed one, so...
00:08:19.380 But being the fact that she got away, and then off she goes, and then nothing else happened,
00:08:25.720 no repercussions have happened, then I have a feeling that that scenario probably did not
00:08:32.600 take place, and he's not the James Bond hero of the United States.
00:08:38.660 Well, not to hear the Republicans tell it, anyway. Let's pick up on that, though. The NSA,
00:08:45.020 I have, you know, we have had Snowden, and other whistleblowers, but there has been,
00:08:56.400 has there been an outright, if you will, a traitor, someone who meant to injure his country?
00:09:04.800 I don't recall such a person, do you? Within the NSA?
00:09:09.240 Well, there is. Jonathan Pollard, who worked with NSA and Naval Intelligence, and he sold,
00:09:19.120 very, very classified...
00:09:20.620 To Israel. 0.53
00:09:21.080 To a foreign nation, Israel. And he was basically pardoned by President Obama. And let me tell you,
00:09:32.380 the folks in the intel community, including myself, were outraged when that happened, because
00:09:37.820 he truly was a traitor. You know, this was not some altruistic, you know, thing that he was doing
00:09:44.640 for the benefit of society or something that was, you know, to protect our Constitution. He was a
00:09:51.120 traitor and sold secrets. And he should still be rotting in jail, as far as I'm concerned.
00:09:56.200 Well, let's talk about another individual, and that is Edward Snowden. He's a contractor
00:10:07.460 working with NSA who turned over documents. Give us your thinking, your thoughts, your feelings about
00:10:17.180 him.
00:10:18.160 Well, Edward Snowden was a systems administrator for what's called the J-WIC system at NSA. This is a
00:10:24.160 TSCI-level system, and not the Black World stuff that I was doing for the SAP programs.
00:10:29.560 But, you know, so his job was basically to filter information to people that, you know, would have
00:10:36.660 a need to know. So he's sort of like the guy, he's like the mailman, with the computer mailman,
00:10:42.560 you know, ferreting things out and making sure all the mail is sorted properly, which meant he had an
00:10:47.600 awful lot of access to all that mail. So he wasn't the analyst, but he, you know, he had his
00:10:54.060 hands on it. So obviously, when he was a contractor, he found out that NSA was literally spying on
00:11:01.580 everyone, which basically, you know, I told the world years before that. And then I think
00:11:07.540 he saw James Clapper lie through his teeth to Congress and said, no, no, NSA is not doing
00:11:15.520 any, you know, collecting any information domestically against American citizens while the sweat is
00:11:21.600 pouring off his bald head. So I think that you don't like James Clapper.
00:11:29.600 I know he was at Geospatial, and he was not an agreeable individual. No, I didn't care much for
00:11:37.780 General Clapper. But, you know, I didn't know the extent that he was, nobody there liked him either,
00:11:44.900 and he was the director. But, you know, I had no idea. I had to work with him on a couple things
00:11:50.860 for DIA and NSA. But now, and he's, you know, now he falls in line with the likes of Hayden and
00:11:59.520 Brennan and the lot. So we know, you know, what type of individual he is. But, yeah, Snowden,
00:12:10.380 I think Snowden let out too much information, personally. I only believe in the, you know,
00:12:16.860 that the information that's a violation of our laws and our Constitution and against the American
00:12:20.940 people need to be put out there for the, for, these are criminal acts. But things that we do,
00:12:26.360 you know, overseas, that's our job. Now, another thing about Mr. Snowden was he was under pressure
00:12:35.740 because when he, I believe, when he gave the information to the Washington Times,
00:12:43.720 not the Washington Times, the Washington Post, that he, basically, the guy at the Post went to NSA
00:12:55.500 and said, hey, we got a whole bunch of information while Snowden was still in Hawaii. And because I
00:13:00.260 know two and a half weeks before the information came out on Snowden, that the Q Group, the security
00:13:05.880 group at NSA, had their hair on fire and they were searching, desperately searching for a mole.
00:13:11.380 That mole who they were searching for was Ed Snowden. Now, the question is, how did they know
00:13:16.900 that they had a mole? I think, I forget the guy's name at the Washington Post, but I think he's the
00:13:25.800 one that called and said, hey, what about this information? And that's, that's when they knew
00:13:30.240 they had a problem. Yeah, I don't quite understand that. When, who called the reporter at the Post?
00:13:38.740 No, I think the Post reporter who'd already, who'd already gotten information from Snowden
00:13:42.400 called NSA. I said, okay, we have this information the same way the New York Times did with, with the
00:13:49.980 stuff that was involved when, where, when I was lower. Um, and then, and then of course, immediately
00:13:55.440 the NSA knows they have a problem. Um, so that's when they, they went on a mad search for a mole.
00:14:03.180 And so at that point, Mr. Snowden was under pressure. Um, so I think he had to beat feet out of
00:14:10.380 Hawaii as quickly as possible. So what do you think about him? He's now in Russia. Uh, we're
00:14:16.660 going to, we're going to, I'm going to ask you this question now. We're going to answer it on the
00:14:20.140 other side of this quick break, but what do you think about him now? He's living in Moscow. Uh,
00:14:27.420 he's married. He has a new life and a new country. What are your thoughts about him as we sit here
00:14:32.620 talking today? And Russ Tice is going to give us those answers. Russ Tice, a former senior NSA Intel
00:14:40.740 analyst. We will continue our conversation in just a moment. Stay with us.
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00:16:10.420 We're back and thank you. We're talking with Russ Tice, former NSA Intel analyst. We will
00:16:16.940 turn to that issue of Edward Snowden, if we may now, Russ. And what are your thoughts about who he is,
00:16:24.940 what he did, and where he stands in the NSA pantheon of those who've stepped outside the circle?
00:16:34.280 Well, first of all, I think Mr. Snowden, it's almost like he wanted some recognition for this,
00:16:41.080 and he wanted to be caught, because I believe he could have done this anonymously. And I bet that if
00:16:48.020 he talked to someone about this, that they probably said, hey, you know, look what happened to other
00:16:52.400 whistleblowers like myself and Mr. Binney, and especially the one that went to court, Mr. Drake,
00:17:03.000 that, you know, you don't have to do this. And he decided that he was he was going to make a bold
00:17:07.760 statement. And he did. Like I said, I think he let he let out information that was that he should not
00:17:14.040 have involved information interest to the to the agency and to the U.S. to the United States.
00:17:21.800 Well, for instance, you know, you know, information that we're spying on on national leaders from other
00:17:27.760 countries. Now, you know, that's not, you know, although kind of everybody knows that's going on.
00:17:32.700 Yeah, but, you know, when you when you throw it out there, it makes for embarrassing, you know,
00:17:38.520 politics for the State Department in particular. And some of the other things that he did about,
00:17:43.520 you know, the our operations overseas, like, like some of the cooperation that was happening
00:17:50.280 between the NSA and the CIA, where we go out and we we do very technical things overseas.
00:17:58.440 But and he put out the charts from where we had what countries we had those operations in, which
00:18:05.100 to me, you know, we don't need to do that. That's something that ultimately, when you do that,
00:18:12.620 those countries are going to figure out how we're doing it. And then they're going to close off those
00:18:15.760 avenues. So that avenue of access is now gone. So he did some foolish things, in my opinion.
00:18:23.480 Now, he did let it up to the to the journalists where, you know, he said, hey, here's a morass of
00:18:29.120 information, please go over and make sure that that nothing in there gets to the public that
00:18:33.600 shouldn't. But but, you know, and I think Glenn Greenwald and company did the best they could,
00:18:39.020 but Glenn Greenwald doesn't have the knowledge of the intelligence community and what is ultimately
00:18:45.440 super important. And what is not is to determine what to publish and whatnot. So in that respect,
00:18:52.600 Mr. Snowden was foolish. On the other hand, you know, he codified what I've been telling the world
00:18:59.640 since 2005. So he did me a big favor, because now I'm no longer the crazy liar that NSA, you know,
00:19:06.920 made me out to be. So it's sort of a double edged sword.
00:19:10.400 Yeah, a double edged sword. But when you turn that responsibility over to a journalist,
00:19:15.560 you're already working with a competing force. And that is someone who wants to get everything
00:19:19.540 they possibly can. A journalist properly wants to publish the public's right to know.
00:19:26.860 There's in the mind of most journalists, there's no limit to what the public should know
00:19:32.620 from whether it's the JFK assassination or a national security operation. Most people have the
00:19:40.340 understanding that the boundary is never put an American service man or woman in harm's way.
00:19:50.780 And when you do that, you have crossed the line, whether you're a journalist or whether
00:19:54.720 you're a whistleblower. It's interesting to see the change over the course of those years
00:20:01.480 since then, though, Russ. We're now, we have a government that is weaponized against us. We have
00:20:07.620 lots of questions about the integrity of our elections. We have lots of questions about
00:20:13.160 just how much spying is going on. I don't think you would find a person who thinks that there's
00:20:19.280 less spying on U.S. citizens in this country by NSA predominantly and other agencies. Do you?
00:20:28.400 I think the public knows the answer now. But I wonder whether the public cares, because now
00:20:32.580 they buy these little speakers they put in their own homes to be able to say, hey, I want the lights
00:20:38.400 turned on or lock or unlock the door. But these little speakers can listen in on anything that
00:20:45.440 they're saying in their own homes. Or a speaker in the child's bedroom, or one that goes back and
00:20:53.660 forth from the parent's bedroom to the child. Now, not only can they listen to what's happening with
00:20:57.740 the child, but they can listen to what's happening in the parent's bedroom. So literally, the access,
00:21:04.280 any time you have a fob and you open up your car, now the FBI has the ability to pop open your car.
00:21:11.060 They don't need to go to the manufacturer of the car and get a VIN number. They just get the
00:21:14.920 frequency and pop your car open. And all these electronics are now compromised. Everything is
00:21:20.480 compromised. And it's almost as if the American public really, they don't care.
00:21:24.200 I think most of the public doesn't understand how vulnerable they are to spying, prying,
00:21:32.220 and the access of intelligence agencies, or in some cases where there'd be greater consternation,
00:21:38.600 I suppose, law enforcement agencies going after, quote unquote, bad guys, one hopes with a warrant,
00:21:44.880 but that's not necessary always, is it?
00:21:47.260 Well, you know, the past has proven that the warrants are rare in these cases. And the explanations
00:21:54.540 afterwards are very specious. As a matter of fact, they're not even specious anymore because
00:21:59.320 it's not like they won't even try to tie it to a ring of truth. They just, you know, okay,
00:22:05.200 we did that and so what? With the Pfizer Revision Act, they basically, all the companies, they got the
00:22:16.500 general warrants to, actually without the warrants to spy, you know, to use the telecommunication
00:22:24.120 companies, they were given indemnity retroactively. So, you know, now all of a sudden that they're,
00:22:33.180 you know, they're no longer held accountable. And that killed one of the major lawsuits that was
00:22:38.200 going on at the time, which I think was Heftin versus AT&T. Boom, now that's dead because AT&T,
00:22:46.780 with the government support, AT&T is now being, cannot be held responsible for breaking the law,
00:22:52.900 which under the behest of the government, of course. So it's pretty in...
00:22:58.880 There's no question. We're in a new world when it comes to surveillance and when it comes to
00:23:05.780 privacy. It's a difficult balance, if not impossible balance to maintain. And I'm fairly
00:23:15.700 sure that we know which way the government is going in every instance. I want to turn to, though,
00:23:21.480 the issue of the external foreign enemies, whether it be China, whether it be Russia.
00:23:29.560 The CIA and NSA, some say, have lost their edge in terms of surveillance, spying, intelligence
00:23:37.360 to both Russia and China, but certainly China.
00:23:41.080 In many respects, it's a case of having... We no longer have the proverbial haystack to look for
00:23:50.340 the needle. Now we have, because of the mass collection, and of course, this mass collection
00:23:57.600 is also being done overseas, we have the Mount Everest of hay, stack of hay, that we're trying
00:24:04.640 to find a needle in. And when that happens, your systems are overloaded to the point where
00:24:10.520 you can't find it, especially in a timely matter. Basically, NSA had the information on the 9-11
00:24:18.140 attack, but they couldn't process it in time before the attack happened. So in that respect,
00:24:27.640 we've just overloaded ourselves to a point. In another respect, we no longer have the analysts
00:24:34.020 that are trained to do this sort of work when you don't have a basic mission or area expert.
00:24:41.180 So they want everyone to move around from one area to another, and you lose your in-depth capability
00:24:49.980 of an individual to become the expert in a particular field. It used to be someone became the expert
00:24:56.000 in a particular field. When that person was starting to move on in their career, they'd
00:25:00.500 bring in a young pup, you know, out of college, and that young apprentice would work with the
00:25:07.260 master and learn the trade until the master retired from the intelligence community off
00:25:12.240 the golf course, and now the young man or young lady who becomes the expert in that field.
00:25:17.380 And that whole system also changed the intelligence community. That was one of Hayden's things,
00:25:22.880 by the way. And so you no longer have mission experts. So these things...
00:25:29.880 That sounds very corporatist, by the way. That sounds very corporatist. And I would suspect
00:25:35.940 Michael Hayden of that without even knowing the reality. Let me say this. We have just watched
00:25:43.960 explosions over the Kremlin this past week. Vladimir Putin, apparently, they allege an attempt
00:25:54.760 to assassinate by drone and explosive President Putin. He says the United States came up with
00:26:01.140 the idea and the Ukrainians tried to carry it out unsuccessfully. We're going to find out
00:26:09.060 what Russ Tice thinks about it all. When we continue, please stay with us. We'll be right back.
00:26:20.040 We're back with Russ Tice, former NSA senior intel analyst. Russ, your assessment of the
00:26:26.100 failed assassination attempt, if indeed that is what it was, on Vladimir Putin.
00:26:31.860 Well, I'm a little bit suspicious of this. You know, one of the things they say in a war is the
00:26:36.780 first casualty is always the truth. Then secondly, what happens is the made-up truth. So the fact
00:26:45.260 that what we see on TV is a silhouette of the Kremlin with a couple explosions going off or something
00:26:52.160 coming from the side. When you set up a ring of air defense around critical targets, you don't do it
00:27:00.820 right from the critical target. You basically, you draw a circle around your critical targets and then
00:27:07.140 you tactically put your air defense capabilities around that so that it can't even, once it approaches
00:27:15.620 that critical target, you take it down. So to me, it just seems a little bit contrived.
00:27:21.860 So you think the Russians put on a show for the world? Yes. Well, that's, uh, then we get to 0.99
00:27:30.340 the issue of the pipeline that blew up, uh, Russia blaming, uh, the United States, uh, Biden indeed
00:27:38.020 had said that he could do that, uh, months earlier and then it happened. Any insight into what really
00:27:44.580 did happen? Any, uh, uh, educated, uh, guesstimate? Well, you know, for the, for the,
00:27:51.380 the, what our explanation has changed over, you know, so many times, but supposedly some frogmen
00:27:56.020 in a rowboat or something with, uh, with some tetra tall and some fuses or something swimming
00:28:03.460 down to 300 feet of water and finding, you know, not just one, but, uh, with a couple of different
00:28:09.060 pipelines that were blasted is, uh, is incredibly ludicrous. Uh, there are only a couple actors
00:28:17.220 that could have pulled that off. Um, and, um, of course it was the United States that did that.
00:28:23.780 Um, you know, and, and basically it, uh, President Biden forecasted that when he was asked, you know,
00:28:30.180 you know, well, how can you shut that down? He basically said something like, well, we can do it.
00:28:34.340 We have the ability and we will. And, you know, come on, it's, um, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon
00:28:40.980 to figure this one out. Um, uh, one of the questions I have is where was the USS Jimmy Carter
00:28:46.260 when that happened? Uh, uh, a specialty submarine that we have for doing interesting things at the
00:28:53.380 bottom of the ocean, all parts of the ocean. Um, so, uh, yeah, it was the United States that did that.
00:28:59.860 As far as the means we did it, I have a feeling we used the submarine.
00:29:04.340 Well, it was a far more complicated, uh, operation than, uh, some news organizations
00:29:10.980 have, uh, intimated and suggested. Uh, I want to turn now to, uh, this testimony that's upcoming,
00:29:18.820 uh, before the house oversight and judiciary committees, uh, the Republicans, uh, will get to
00:29:26.100 some testimony from, uh, the CIA and tell officials who were participated in that, that, uh,
00:29:32.980 extraordinary letter claiming that, uh, Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. Uh,
00:29:41.620 your thoughts about, uh, what transpired and how likely it is they'll get any meaningful,
00:29:47.220 uh, commentary from either or any of those, uh, Intel officials, former officials.
00:29:53.700 Well, I think it's amazing that they got, uh, what they got from, uh, from the former director
00:29:59.860 that, that, that said, that said what he said. Uh, who was this guy?
00:30:04.020 Mike Morrell. Mike Morrell.
00:30:05.380 Morrell. Yeah, Morrell.
00:30:06.820 Of CIA.
00:30:07.380 Mike Morrell. So, but they've got to be, they got to be careful, you know, because they're being
00:30:12.260 pulled in and, uh, I don't know what the, uh, statute of limitation is for lying to Congress,
00:30:17.460 but if we have, uh, uh, you know, a different president two years from now, um, you know,
00:30:23.780 you know, they could end up in some really deep water. So, uh, I have a feeling when they bring some
00:30:28.900 of the other ones in, uh, Hayden and, and company and, uh, Brennan and, and, uh, Clapper and
00:30:38.580 Clapper and Brennan are going to be first, but either, either they'll, I have a feeling their
00:30:44.100 memories will lapse on, on this and, or, I, or they'll bring out the fifth amendment. Um, but more,
00:30:51.860 more than likely the, the, they will have, uh, Oh gee, I can't remember anything like that.
00:30:57.220 But, you know, let's turn to, I'm, I'm, I'm afraid you're right, but, uh, you know,
00:31:01.940 we're going to cross our fingers, uh, the White House declining to comment on the current CIA
00:31:08.900 director's multiple meetings, um, nine years ago with Jeffrey Epstein. Are you surprised that the
00:31:17.940 head of the CIA, uh, a few years back was having meetings with Jeffrey Epstein?
00:31:23.540 Not at all. Matter of fact, it's, it's, this is a, a pretty simple one. Uh, so everyone said,
00:31:30.900 well, how did Jeffrey Epstein make these tens of millions of dollars? Well, uh, you know,
00:31:36.100 you ever think that maybe he was working with the CIA and maybe the, uh, MI6 and maybe the Mossad
00:31:42.580 and setting people up with honey traps that ultimately are on camera, that they can ultimately be blackmailed
00:31:49.060 with that information. And Mr. Um, Mr. Epstein was the conduit for that activity and was paid very
00:31:56.340 well for, I have a feeling that, uh, Mr. Epstein got a whole lot of the U S taxpayers dollars of via
00:32:03.700 CIA for, for, for his services. Well, uh, that's, I think a lot of people think that, except there's also
00:32:12.500 the curious case of the, of the suicide, the alleged suicide, uh, in, uh, in a Manhattan, uh, jail
00:32:22.260 when, uh, he was, uh, supposed to be apparently released, uh, two days hence from his, his death.
00:32:29.620 You think that was, was, what was that? That's even more simpler to figure out that, that, uh,
00:32:37.860 all right. So the cameras all of a sudden don't work. The, they violated their own protocols in the,
00:32:43.540 in the, in the jail house. The roommate was, uh, was removed a day or two beforehand. Um,
00:32:50.900 the guards very conveniently who were very close to the cell fell asleep. Um, and all these different
00:32:58.900 avenues where we have failures that, that allowed this to happen. This was obviously, obviously an
00:33:05.300 assassination of Mr. Epstein. There's, it's pretty simple. Uh, now, now to, to pull something like
00:33:11.380 that off, you need some powerful players and you need a whole lot of money. Um, and this, this is very
00:33:18.500 easily put into an operation that was run by probably the CIA. This is a black op, uh, domestic hit on a
00:33:26.420 US citizen is what this was because there's a lot of powerful people that, um, that did not want Mr.
00:33:33.540 Epstein to, to bring forth, uh, you know, the, the, the true story. Well, I have to tell you that
00:33:41.140 lots of us are shocked at that answer that you've just given us Russ, uh, particularly when you think
00:33:46.180 back to William Barr, William Barr, attorney general of the United States said that after a careful
00:33:54.340 investigation, he found a plausible basis, uh, for the explanation that he was given by the Bureau
00:34:02.580 of Prisons and what had transpired much to the deep regret of those, uh, who, who, uh, were hoping that
00:34:11.860 Jeffrey Epstein would be able to tell tales, uh, for some time about the individuals that visited,
00:34:19.060 uh, on the, what was it? The, the, the Lolita express to the Epstein Island. Uh, I mean, 0.54
00:34:26.900 I guess Barr has been gullible. Is that what you're saying?
00:34:32.580 I think Barr was told to keep his mouth shut. Um, um, because this, this thing would have been huge.
00:34:40.900 The, when we plan these things, there's, there's all kinds of things that have to go into an operation
00:34:45.780 like this. I imagine like those two guards that were involved, even though I think they were fired,
00:34:50.660 they, it was determined that they were not, they weren't going to be prosecuted. And I, I would,
00:34:56.820 in my opinion is that, that their bank accounts have been flushed with cash over the last couple
00:35:03.060 years and that they're living quite well now. Now that's my opinion, but it'd be interesting to find
00:35:09.140 out the, you know, how those two are, are, are, are making out these tastes in their forced retirements.
00:35:16.420 Um, the right people, the right palms get greased, uh, the right equipment gets turned off,
00:35:22.020 the right people get put in place. And, uh, come on, you know, supposedly, he, he built,
00:35:28.420 what made a, um, a new set of sheets that, and these kinds of sheets in these prisons are made out of like
00:35:33.700 this, the super pull up, this cloth that is, that pulls apart very easily. He had nothing to hang a
00:35:40.340 rope on in the cell room. Uh, the, the guy that did the real, um, autopsy who they brought in, uh,
00:35:47.940 not, not the one that initially from New York who, who didn't want to open her mouth and kept
00:35:52.420 hemming and hauling and finally said, yeah, you know, this is, you know, hanging. But the real one
00:35:58.260 that was brought in said this more than likely because of, so the neck bones that were broken was a
00:36:02.500 strangulation. And there's, there's a couple other things that I probably really shouldn't say
00:36:09.540 about how something like this could have done. And I'll, I'll just hold my breath. But this was
00:36:14.660 a CIA run operation. Well, you know, with that, Russ, we're going to, we're going to conclude today.
00:36:22.660 Uh, I, I, what you made that sound like was the, the Kennedy assassination, uh, which of course,
00:36:29.780 we still don't know the, the ins and outs and explanations of, but I'd like to take that up
00:36:36.180 with you next time. Uh, and you're thinking and see also at the same time, if I can pry from you,
00:36:42.820 uh, the, the, the secret handiwork that would have been required for a, such a CIA dark operation,
00:36:50.020 as you're describing, uh, that might have been focused on none other than Jeffrey Epstein.
00:36:56.100 Uh, my friend, it's been a fascinating discussion, uh, another chapter, uh, in the books. I appreciate
00:37:03.700 you being with us, Russ. Uh, we're going to give you, uh, the, uh, the last word here today,
00:37:10.100 your concluding thoughts, if you will. Well, let's see over what we've gone over.
00:37:17.540 I think the most important thing that we've discussed is, is the,
00:37:21.060 you're feeling that the American people just don't understand, um, you know, how malicious,
00:37:26.100 uh, domestic spying against them is in my, uh, somewhat cynical, um, belief that, um, they don't
00:37:33.140 care that, um, that the American people need to understand how important it is and that, um,
00:37:39.540 that these things can be turned against them. And then ultimately it's something that's going to be
00:37:43.780 used as the, the, the lifeblood of, of the deep state that will destroy our, um, our republic.
00:37:50.820 And, and, and the people need to understand that before, before we have a despotic, uh,
00:37:56.580 government, uh, police state. Yeah, I think that it's, it's, it's,
00:38:02.100 I couldn't agree with you more. And I think it is that the American people just simply
00:38:06.820 don't want to believe that their government could consider them enemies, uh, and is working
00:38:13.540 against them, uh, through the intelligence agencies for purposes of the deep state, uh, and frankly,
00:38:20.980 for tearing us under, uh, a, a great constitutional republic, almost 250 years ago. Uh, Russ, always
00:38:32.580 great to talk with you. We thank you so much. Uh, look forward to our next discussion, my friend.
00:38:37.860 Russ Theis. My pleasure. Russ Theis, former NSA intel analyst, a great American.
00:38:43.540 Join us about every week for our talks with Russ. That's all for us this week. Our guest
00:38:48.660 Monday will be former DEA top official Derek Maltz on China's new weapon of mass destruction,
00:38:55.620 its alliance with the Mexican drug cartels, and of course, with the Biden regime.
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