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In this episode of The Great America Show, host Lou Dobbs is joined by Russ Theis and former National Security Agency Senior Intelligence Analyst and Whistleblower Russ Eichenauer to discuss the latest in the latest leftist conspiracy theories.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and this is the Great America Show. Great to have you with us and I hope
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you're having a great day because a lot of what's going on in this country, let's be honest, it isn't
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really conducive to really great days, to put it mildly, unless you have a well-nurtured sense of
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humor and proportion. Here are a few dispatches that the Great America Show intel operatives have
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intercepted from Marxist Dem operatives, many of them based deep in the very center of the dark
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D.C. swamp. Some of them open source, I admit. Here we go, and please, much of what you're about
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to hear is highly sensitive. It may be for some even disturbing or just outrageously absurd.
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Hunter Biden in the news. Despite the best efforts of Marxist Dems and the deep state to cover for him,
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it turns out the communist Chinese donors linked to Hunter Biden funneled more than a hundred million
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dollars to the University of Pennsylvania. That university hosts the Penn Biden Center think
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tank, where bundles of classified documents taken illegally by Joe Biden were found. Still no word
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from the Biden special counsel on whether Joe Biden will face multiple charges of treason,
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felonious possession, a top-secret material, or stealing such material. Wonder whether that
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hundred million dollars bought the Chinese the opportunity, perhaps, to read all of those highly
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classified, top-secret documents that Biden had laying around. More reparations talk, you'll be
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pleased to know. But the Marxist Dems are doing more than talking. Squad member Congresswoman Cori Bush
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introduced a resolution calling for reparations for descendants of slaves. She and her communist
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pals have settled on a number that will soothe those descendants, or at least try to. The number
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is quite large. The opening bid, 14 trillion dollars. Think about that. You have to wonder how Bush and
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her communist pals forgot to ask for reparations as well from all those folks in Africa who were selling
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slaves to the buyers. That ought to be worth another 14 trillion dollars as well. But then there probably
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would have to be a deduction for all the Union Army soldiers who were killed, wounded, and maimed in the
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Civil War, freeing the slaves. That number alone could be substantially higher than the slavery reparations.
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Think about it. Properly so. And then there might have to be an extra charge for reparations from those
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people who keep pushing their delusions about reparations into the national media. Silly talk.
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But so much of what comes out of the Marxist left is just that, right? More good news out of Ukraine.
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Turns out the Ukrainian military knows a thing or two about air defense. The Washington Examiner's
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Jamie McIntyre reporting that in the ninth air attack already this month, the Patriot missile air defense
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systems shot down 29 of 30 Russian missiles launched against the capital of Kiev. That's quite a success
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rate. Let's turn now to our guests, former National Security Agency senior intelligence analyst and
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whistleblower Russ Theis. Russ, always great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show
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as we continue our mostly weekly talks about all things intelligence, national security, and of course,
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truth, justice, and the American way. Russ, let's pick up where we left off in our last discussion.
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You were telling us about Chinese spies in our intelligence agencies. How could it be?
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Well, I certainly suspected that there was one. She actually worked for DIA, Defense Intelligence
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Agency, which I worked with at that time, and I was the NSA liaison. So it was all the hard marks of
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someone who was involved with espionage, and she, as we mentioned in our last discussion, and
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basically when her mother showed up, and she should have been there, and her mother was very
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apparently influential in the Democrat Party, and apparently friends with the Clintons, for that
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matter, showed up. And that's, I think President Clinton was just at his end of his presidency at the time of
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that this was happening. That's when she showed up, and the investigation just disappeared, and the
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counterintelligence officer at DIA said that the issue was over, and he wasn't going to talk any more about it.
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And the matter went away, as did the suspected Chinese spy, then, I take it. Is that right, Russ?
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Well, this young lady still worked at the agency, or at the DIA, and interestingly enough, she was
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automatically given a government-sponsored, basically, a scholarship to go back to George Washington and get a Ph.D.
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So she was very quickly shipped out of our office, and then she kept showing back up at DIA, after she was
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supposedly now going to work on her Ph.D., and I thought that was interesting as well. And then finally, when
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I was at NSA, and the two FBI agents, Cleveland and Smith, you know, they came out that they were
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sleeping with a Chinese, you know, spy, and both of them, Cleveland and Smith, were basically in charge
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of counterintelligence for the FBI. Imagine that. Of which one of them, he got a 20-year sentence,
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as I think Smith did. That's when I called back to the DIA, the DIA and head of counterintelligence,
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and said, I don't believe the FBI is trustworthy enough to be able to conduct a counterintelligence
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operation when they themselves are literally sleeping with the enemy.
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Well, but this is a different spy than the young lady at the DIA, or was it the same spy?
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No, no, different. This was a different general lady, yes. It was big in the news at the time.
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Right. No, it's interesting, because we are dealing in the plural here. There would be the DIA,
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then the one within the NSA, if indeed that was the case. It's really amazing, because about that same
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time, Congressman Swalwell was involved in a honeypot with a Chinese spy. Nothing, by the way,
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happened to him. There was no penalty for his dalliance with national security and the CCP,
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So, now, I don't know what the case is with this congressman from California, but now, if he was,
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like, literally sleeping with the enemy to feed the enemy false information, you know,
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to get back to the, you know, mama homeland in China, then that would be very interesting,
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and something that he wouldn't be able to talk about, and then, ultimately, that would have been
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a very patriotic thing to do, and with fringe benefits, but...
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I don't hear anybody, Russ, wanting to throw Eric Swalwell a party. It's sort of interesting,
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But being the fact that she got away, and then off she goes, and then nothing else happened,
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no repercussions have happened, then I have a feeling that that scenario probably did not
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take place, and he's not the James Bond hero of the United States.
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Well, not to hear the Republicans tell it, anyway. Let's pick up on that, though. The NSA,
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I have, you know, we have had Snowden, and other whistleblowers, but there has been,
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has there been an outright, if you will, a traitor, someone who meant to injure his country?
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I don't recall such a person, do you? Within the NSA?
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Well, there is. Jonathan Pollard, who worked with NSA and Naval Intelligence, and he sold,
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To a foreign nation, Israel. And he was basically pardoned by President Obama. And let me tell you,
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the folks in the intel community, including myself, were outraged when that happened, because
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he truly was a traitor. You know, this was not some altruistic, you know, thing that he was doing
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for the benefit of society or something that was, you know, to protect our Constitution. He was a
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traitor and sold secrets. And he should still be rotting in jail, as far as I'm concerned.
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Well, let's talk about another individual, and that is Edward Snowden. He's a contractor
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working with NSA who turned over documents. Give us your thinking, your thoughts, your feelings about
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Well, Edward Snowden was a systems administrator for what's called the J-WIC system at NSA. This is a
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TSCI-level system, and not the Black World stuff that I was doing for the SAP programs.
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But, you know, so his job was basically to filter information to people that, you know, would have
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a need to know. So he's sort of like the guy, he's like the mailman, with the computer mailman,
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you know, ferreting things out and making sure all the mail is sorted properly, which meant he had an
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awful lot of access to all that mail. So he wasn't the analyst, but he, you know, he had his
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hands on it. So obviously, when he was a contractor, he found out that NSA was literally spying on
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everyone, which basically, you know, I told the world years before that. And then I think
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he saw James Clapper lie through his teeth to Congress and said, no, no, NSA is not doing
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any, you know, collecting any information domestically against American citizens while the sweat is
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pouring off his bald head. So I think that you don't like James Clapper.
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I know he was at Geospatial, and he was not an agreeable individual. No, I didn't care much for
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General Clapper. But, you know, I didn't know the extent that he was, nobody there liked him either,
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and he was the director. But, you know, I had no idea. I had to work with him on a couple things
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for DIA and NSA. But now, and he's, you know, now he falls in line with the likes of Hayden and
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Brennan and the lot. So we know, you know, what type of individual he is. But, yeah, Snowden,
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I think Snowden let out too much information, personally. I only believe in the, you know,
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that the information that's a violation of our laws and our Constitution and against the American
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people need to be put out there for the, for, these are criminal acts. But things that we do,
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you know, overseas, that's our job. Now, another thing about Mr. Snowden was he was under pressure
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because when he, I believe, when he gave the information to the Washington Times,
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not the Washington Times, the Washington Post, that he, basically, the guy at the Post went to NSA
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and said, hey, we got a whole bunch of information while Snowden was still in Hawaii. And because I
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know two and a half weeks before the information came out on Snowden, that the Q Group, the security
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group at NSA, had their hair on fire and they were searching, desperately searching for a mole.
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That mole who they were searching for was Ed Snowden. Now, the question is, how did they know
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that they had a mole? I think, I forget the guy's name at the Washington Post, but I think he's the
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one that called and said, hey, what about this information? And that's, that's when they knew
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they had a problem. Yeah, I don't quite understand that. When, who called the reporter at the Post?
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No, I think the Post reporter who'd already, who'd already gotten information from Snowden
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called NSA. I said, okay, we have this information the same way the New York Times did with, with the
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stuff that was involved when, where, when I was lower. Um, and then, and then of course, immediately
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the NSA knows they have a problem. Um, so that's when they, they went on a mad search for a mole.
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And so at that point, Mr. Snowden was under pressure. Um, so I think he had to beat feet out of
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Hawaii as quickly as possible. So what do you think about him? He's now in Russia. Uh, we're
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going to, we're going to, I'm going to ask you this question now. We're going to answer it on the
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other side of this quick break, but what do you think about him now? He's living in Moscow. Uh,
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he's married. He has a new life and a new country. What are your thoughts about him as we sit here
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talking today? And Russ Tice is going to give us those answers. Russ Tice, a former senior NSA Intel
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analyst. We will continue our conversation in just a moment. Stay with us.
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We're back and thank you. We're talking with Russ Tice, former NSA Intel analyst. We will
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turn to that issue of Edward Snowden, if we may now, Russ. And what are your thoughts about who he is,
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what he did, and where he stands in the NSA pantheon of those who've stepped outside the circle?
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Well, first of all, I think Mr. Snowden, it's almost like he wanted some recognition for this,
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and he wanted to be caught, because I believe he could have done this anonymously. And I bet that if
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he talked to someone about this, that they probably said, hey, you know, look what happened to other
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whistleblowers like myself and Mr. Binney, and especially the one that went to court, Mr. Drake,
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that, you know, you don't have to do this. And he decided that he was he was going to make a bold
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statement. And he did. Like I said, I think he let he let out information that was that he should not
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have involved information interest to the to the agency and to the U.S. to the United States.
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Well, for instance, you know, you know, information that we're spying on on national leaders from other
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countries. Now, you know, that's not, you know, although kind of everybody knows that's going on.
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Yeah, but, you know, when you when you throw it out there, it makes for embarrassing, you know,
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politics for the State Department in particular. And some of the other things that he did about,
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you know, the our operations overseas, like, like some of the cooperation that was happening
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between the NSA and the CIA, where we go out and we we do very technical things overseas.
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But and he put out the charts from where we had what countries we had those operations in, which
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to me, you know, we don't need to do that. That's something that ultimately, when you do that,
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those countries are going to figure out how we're doing it. And then they're going to close off those
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avenues. So that avenue of access is now gone. So he did some foolish things, in my opinion.
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Now, he did let it up to the to the journalists where, you know, he said, hey, here's a morass of
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information, please go over and make sure that that nothing in there gets to the public that
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shouldn't. But but, you know, and I think Glenn Greenwald and company did the best they could,
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but Glenn Greenwald doesn't have the knowledge of the intelligence community and what is ultimately
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super important. And what is not is to determine what to publish and whatnot. So in that respect,
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Mr. Snowden was foolish. On the other hand, you know, he codified what I've been telling the world
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since 2005. So he did me a big favor, because now I'm no longer the crazy liar that NSA, you know,
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made me out to be. So it's sort of a double edged sword.
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Yeah, a double edged sword. But when you turn that responsibility over to a journalist,
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you're already working with a competing force. And that is someone who wants to get everything
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they possibly can. A journalist properly wants to publish the public's right to know.
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There's in the mind of most journalists, there's no limit to what the public should know
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from whether it's the JFK assassination or a national security operation. Most people have the
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understanding that the boundary is never put an American service man or woman in harm's way.
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And when you do that, you have crossed the line, whether you're a journalist or whether
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you're a whistleblower. It's interesting to see the change over the course of those years
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since then, though, Russ. We're now, we have a government that is weaponized against us. We have
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lots of questions about the integrity of our elections. We have lots of questions about
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just how much spying is going on. I don't think you would find a person who thinks that there's
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less spying on U.S. citizens in this country by NSA predominantly and other agencies. Do you?
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I think the public knows the answer now. But I wonder whether the public cares, because now
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they buy these little speakers they put in their own homes to be able to say, hey, I want the lights
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turned on or lock or unlock the door. But these little speakers can listen in on anything that
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they're saying in their own homes. Or a speaker in the child's bedroom, or one that goes back and
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forth from the parent's bedroom to the child. Now, not only can they listen to what's happening with
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the child, but they can listen to what's happening in the parent's bedroom. So literally, the access,
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any time you have a fob and you open up your car, now the FBI has the ability to pop open your car.
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They don't need to go to the manufacturer of the car and get a VIN number. They just get the
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frequency and pop your car open. And all these electronics are now compromised. Everything is
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compromised. And it's almost as if the American public really, they don't care.
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I think most of the public doesn't understand how vulnerable they are to spying, prying,
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and the access of intelligence agencies, or in some cases where there'd be greater consternation,
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I suppose, law enforcement agencies going after, quote unquote, bad guys, one hopes with a warrant,
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Well, you know, the past has proven that the warrants are rare in these cases. And the explanations
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afterwards are very specious. As a matter of fact, they're not even specious anymore because
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it's not like they won't even try to tie it to a ring of truth. They just, you know, okay,
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we did that and so what? With the Pfizer Revision Act, they basically, all the companies, they got the
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general warrants to, actually without the warrants to spy, you know, to use the telecommunication
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companies, they were given indemnity retroactively. So, you know, now all of a sudden that they're,
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you know, they're no longer held accountable. And that killed one of the major lawsuits that was
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going on at the time, which I think was Heftin versus AT&T. Boom, now that's dead because AT&T,
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with the government support, AT&T is now being, cannot be held responsible for breaking the law,
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which under the behest of the government, of course. So it's pretty in...
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There's no question. We're in a new world when it comes to surveillance and when it comes to
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privacy. It's a difficult balance, if not impossible balance to maintain. And I'm fairly
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sure that we know which way the government is going in every instance. I want to turn to, though,
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the issue of the external foreign enemies, whether it be China, whether it be Russia.
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The CIA and NSA, some say, have lost their edge in terms of surveillance, spying, intelligence
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In many respects, it's a case of having... We no longer have the proverbial haystack to look for
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the needle. Now we have, because of the mass collection, and of course, this mass collection
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is also being done overseas, we have the Mount Everest of hay, stack of hay, that we're trying
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to find a needle in. And when that happens, your systems are overloaded to the point where
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you can't find it, especially in a timely matter. Basically, NSA had the information on the 9-11
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attack, but they couldn't process it in time before the attack happened. So in that respect,
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we've just overloaded ourselves to a point. In another respect, we no longer have the analysts
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that are trained to do this sort of work when you don't have a basic mission or area expert.
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So they want everyone to move around from one area to another, and you lose your in-depth capability
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of an individual to become the expert in a particular field. It used to be someone became the expert
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in a particular field. When that person was starting to move on in their career, they'd
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bring in a young pup, you know, out of college, and that young apprentice would work with the
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master and learn the trade until the master retired from the intelligence community off
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the golf course, and now the young man or young lady who becomes the expert in that field.
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And that whole system also changed the intelligence community. That was one of Hayden's things,
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by the way. And so you no longer have mission experts. So these things...
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That sounds very corporatist, by the way. That sounds very corporatist. And I would suspect
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Michael Hayden of that without even knowing the reality. Let me say this. We have just watched
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explosions over the Kremlin this past week. Vladimir Putin, apparently, they allege an attempt
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to assassinate by drone and explosive President Putin. He says the United States came up with
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the idea and the Ukrainians tried to carry it out unsuccessfully. We're going to find out
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what Russ Tice thinks about it all. When we continue, please stay with us. We'll be right back.
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We're back with Russ Tice, former NSA senior intel analyst. Russ, your assessment of the
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failed assassination attempt, if indeed that is what it was, on Vladimir Putin.
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Well, I'm a little bit suspicious of this. You know, one of the things they say in a war is the
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first casualty is always the truth. Then secondly, what happens is the made-up truth. So the fact
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that what we see on TV is a silhouette of the Kremlin with a couple explosions going off or something
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coming from the side. When you set up a ring of air defense around critical targets, you don't do it
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right from the critical target. You basically, you draw a circle around your critical targets and then
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you tactically put your air defense capabilities around that so that it can't even, once it approaches
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that critical target, you take it down. So to me, it just seems a little bit contrived.
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So you think the Russians put on a show for the world? Yes. Well, that's, uh, then we get to
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the issue of the pipeline that blew up, uh, Russia blaming, uh, the United States, uh, Biden indeed
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had said that he could do that, uh, months earlier and then it happened. Any insight into what really
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did happen? Any, uh, uh, educated, uh, guesstimate? Well, you know, for the, for the,
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the, what our explanation has changed over, you know, so many times, but supposedly some frogmen
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in a rowboat or something with, uh, with some tetra tall and some fuses or something swimming
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down to 300 feet of water and finding, you know, not just one, but, uh, with a couple of different
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pipelines that were blasted is, uh, is incredibly ludicrous. Uh, there are only a couple actors
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that could have pulled that off. Um, and, um, of course it was the United States that did that.
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Um, you know, and, and basically it, uh, President Biden forecasted that when he was asked, you know,
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you know, well, how can you shut that down? He basically said something like, well, we can do it.
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We have the ability and we will. And, you know, come on, it's, um, it doesn't take a rocket surgeon
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to figure this one out. Um, uh, one of the questions I have is where was the USS Jimmy Carter
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when that happened? Uh, uh, a specialty submarine that we have for doing interesting things at the
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bottom of the ocean, all parts of the ocean. Um, so, uh, yeah, it was the United States that did that.
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As far as the means we did it, I have a feeling we used the submarine.
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Well, it was a far more complicated, uh, operation than, uh, some news organizations
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have, uh, intimated and suggested. Uh, I want to turn now to, uh, this testimony that's upcoming,
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uh, before the house oversight and judiciary committees, uh, the Republicans, uh, will get to
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some testimony from, uh, the CIA and tell officials who were participated in that, that, uh,
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extraordinary letter claiming that, uh, Hunter Biden's laptop was Russian disinformation. Uh,
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your thoughts about, uh, what transpired and how likely it is they'll get any meaningful,
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uh, commentary from either or any of those, uh, Intel officials, former officials.
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Well, I think it's amazing that they got, uh, what they got from, uh, from the former director
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that, that, that said, that said what he said. Uh, who was this guy?
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Mike Morrell. So, but they've got to be, they got to be careful, you know, because they're being
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pulled in and, uh, I don't know what the, uh, statute of limitation is for lying to Congress,
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but if we have, uh, uh, you know, a different president two years from now, um, you know,
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you know, they could end up in some really deep water. So, uh, I have a feeling when they bring some
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of the other ones in, uh, Hayden and, and company and, uh, Brennan and, and, uh, Clapper and
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Clapper and Brennan are going to be first, but either, either they'll, I have a feeling their
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memories will lapse on, on this and, or, I, or they'll bring out the fifth amendment. Um, but more,
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more than likely the, the, they will have, uh, Oh gee, I can't remember anything like that.
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But, you know, let's turn to, I'm, I'm, I'm afraid you're right, but, uh, you know,
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we're going to cross our fingers, uh, the White House declining to comment on the current CIA
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director's multiple meetings, um, nine years ago with Jeffrey Epstein. Are you surprised that the
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head of the CIA, uh, a few years back was having meetings with Jeffrey Epstein?
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Not at all. Matter of fact, it's, it's, this is a, a pretty simple one. Uh, so everyone said,
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well, how did Jeffrey Epstein make these tens of millions of dollars? Well, uh, you know,
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you ever think that maybe he was working with the CIA and maybe the, uh, MI6 and maybe the Mossad
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and setting people up with honey traps that ultimately are on camera, that they can ultimately be blackmailed
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with that information. And Mr. Um, Mr. Epstein was the conduit for that activity and was paid very
00:31:56.340
well for, I have a feeling that, uh, Mr. Epstein got a whole lot of the U S taxpayers dollars of via
00:32:03.700
CIA for, for, for his services. Well, uh, that's, I think a lot of people think that, except there's also
00:32:12.500
the curious case of the, of the suicide, the alleged suicide, uh, in, uh, in a Manhattan, uh, jail
00:32:22.260
when, uh, he was, uh, supposed to be apparently released, uh, two days hence from his, his death.
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You think that was, was, what was that? That's even more simpler to figure out that, that, uh,
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all right. So the cameras all of a sudden don't work. The, they violated their own protocols in the,
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in the, in the jail house. The roommate was, uh, was removed a day or two beforehand. Um,
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the guards very conveniently who were very close to the cell fell asleep. Um, and all these different
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avenues where we have failures that, that allowed this to happen. This was obviously, obviously an
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assassination of Mr. Epstein. There's, it's pretty simple. Uh, now, now to, to pull something like
00:33:11.380
that off, you need some powerful players and you need a whole lot of money. Um, and this, this is very
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easily put into an operation that was run by probably the CIA. This is a black op, uh, domestic hit on a
00:33:26.420
US citizen is what this was because there's a lot of powerful people that, um, that did not want Mr.
00:33:33.540
Epstein to, to bring forth, uh, you know, the, the, the true story. Well, I have to tell you that
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lots of us are shocked at that answer that you've just given us Russ, uh, particularly when you think
00:33:46.180
back to William Barr, William Barr, attorney general of the United States said that after a careful
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investigation, he found a plausible basis, uh, for the explanation that he was given by the Bureau
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of Prisons and what had transpired much to the deep regret of those, uh, who, who, uh, were hoping that
00:34:11.860
Jeffrey Epstein would be able to tell tales, uh, for some time about the individuals that visited,
00:34:19.060
uh, on the, what was it? The, the, the Lolita express to the Epstein Island. Uh, I mean,
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I guess Barr has been gullible. Is that what you're saying?
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I think Barr was told to keep his mouth shut. Um, um, because this, this thing would have been huge.
00:34:40.900
The, when we plan these things, there's, there's all kinds of things that have to go into an operation
00:34:45.780
like this. I imagine like those two guards that were involved, even though I think they were fired,
00:34:50.660
they, it was determined that they were not, they weren't going to be prosecuted. And I, I would,
00:34:56.820
in my opinion is that, that their bank accounts have been flushed with cash over the last couple
00:35:03.060
years and that they're living quite well now. Now that's my opinion, but it'd be interesting to find
00:35:09.140
out the, you know, how those two are, are, are, are making out these tastes in their forced retirements.
00:35:16.420
Um, the right people, the right palms get greased, uh, the right equipment gets turned off,
00:35:22.020
the right people get put in place. And, uh, come on, you know, supposedly, he, he built,
00:35:28.420
what made a, um, a new set of sheets that, and these kinds of sheets in these prisons are made out of like
00:35:33.700
this, the super pull up, this cloth that is, that pulls apart very easily. He had nothing to hang a
00:35:40.340
rope on in the cell room. Uh, the, the guy that did the real, um, autopsy who they brought in, uh,
00:35:47.940
not, not the one that initially from New York who, who didn't want to open her mouth and kept
00:35:52.420
hemming and hauling and finally said, yeah, you know, this is, you know, hanging. But the real one
00:35:58.260
that was brought in said this more than likely because of, so the neck bones that were broken was a
00:36:02.500
strangulation. And there's, there's a couple other things that I probably really shouldn't say
00:36:09.540
about how something like this could have done. And I'll, I'll just hold my breath. But this was
00:36:14.660
a CIA run operation. Well, you know, with that, Russ, we're going to, we're going to conclude today.
00:36:22.660
Uh, I, I, what you made that sound like was the, the Kennedy assassination, uh, which of course,
00:36:29.780
we still don't know the, the ins and outs and explanations of, but I'd like to take that up
00:36:36.180
with you next time. Uh, and you're thinking and see also at the same time, if I can pry from you,
00:36:42.820
uh, the, the, the secret handiwork that would have been required for a, such a CIA dark operation,
00:36:50.020
as you're describing, uh, that might have been focused on none other than Jeffrey Epstein.
00:36:56.100
Uh, my friend, it's been a fascinating discussion, uh, another chapter, uh, in the books. I appreciate
00:37:03.700
you being with us, Russ. Uh, we're going to give you, uh, the, uh, the last word here today,
00:37:10.100
your concluding thoughts, if you will. Well, let's see over what we've gone over.
00:37:17.540
I think the most important thing that we've discussed is, is the,
00:37:21.060
you're feeling that the American people just don't understand, um, you know, how malicious,
00:37:26.100
uh, domestic spying against them is in my, uh, somewhat cynical, um, belief that, um, they don't
00:37:33.140
care that, um, that the American people need to understand how important it is and that, um,
00:37:39.540
that these things can be turned against them. And then ultimately it's something that's going to be
00:37:43.780
used as the, the, the lifeblood of, of the deep state that will destroy our, um, our republic.
00:37:50.820
And, and, and the people need to understand that before, before we have a despotic, uh,
00:37:56.580
government, uh, police state. Yeah, I think that it's, it's, it's,
00:38:02.100
I couldn't agree with you more. And I think it is that the American people just simply
00:38:06.820
don't want to believe that their government could consider them enemies, uh, and is working
00:38:13.540
against them, uh, through the intelligence agencies for purposes of the deep state, uh, and frankly,
00:38:20.980
for tearing us under, uh, a, a great constitutional republic, almost 250 years ago. Uh, Russ, always
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great to talk with you. We thank you so much. Uh, look forward to our next discussion, my friend.
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Russ Theis. My pleasure. Russ Theis, former NSA intel analyst, a great American.
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Join us about every week for our talks with Russ. That's all for us this week. Our guest
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00:38:55.620
its alliance with the Mexican drug cartels, and of course, with the Biden regime.
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