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Former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer David Grush testified last week before the House Oversight Committee that the United States government is in possession of UFOs and other non-human bodies. Grush also claimed that the government has been aware of the non human activity since the 1930s.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you
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with us. We've reached, as I have said a number of times here lately, an inflection point
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in American history. No one can say with the utmost certainty what direction this country
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will take over the next several months. But there's considerable reason, I believe, now
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for optimism about our future. We should all take to heart what we have been witnessing
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in the nation's capital. I believe it's the collapse of the greatest cover-up in our nation's
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history, and I believe it's well underway. The congressional investigation's already leaving
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no reasonable doubt about the rampant corruption of the Biden regime. And as the massive cover-up
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collapses, the Marxist Dems' witch hunt against President Trump looks all the more dangerous to
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this republic. And yet all the more absurd because the conspirators have dramatically
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and absurdly overreached their powers. They have energetically abused those powers and seem to
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truly not understand that America is now watching their craven, corrupt acts against the law, the
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Constitution, President Trump, and the American people. Yesterday, Marxist Dems and the Deep State
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piled on further their list of charges against Trump. They indicted him for the third time criminally,
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the second time by Junkyard Marxist Special Counsel Jack Smith. The Deep State and D.C. bureaucrats are
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playing with fire, the likes of which we've never seen. After eight years of political persecution of
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the president, the low-lifes have finally achieved their goal. They've politically persecuted, as they said
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they would, President Trump. The thing they promised they would do on Inauguration Day of 2017.
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The D.C. Marxist Dems have worked both in secrecy and sometimes in our faces to achieve their goal.
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But President Trump promises when he's back in office in January of 2025, he will be unrelenting
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against these crooks who came after him and you and me. President Trump posted on Truth yesterday
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afternoon. Quote, in 2024, it will be our turn. Your mouth to God's ears, Mr. President. We deserve
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answers. We deserve retribution and you deserve to be the 47th president. Well, today I thought we'd
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close out the week with the extraordinary revelations coming out of our federal government
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about unidentified flying objects. That's right, UFOs and alien technology. There's something going on
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and we might as well take it up here on the Great America Show as we do every other story of cover-ups,
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whether by our government. And this story is a doozy and it's only getting bigger.
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According to former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer David Grush, who testified last week before
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the House Oversight Committee, the U.S. government is in possession of UFOs and non-human bodies.
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There, I said it. UFOs and non-human bodies. Grush also claimed that the U.S. government has
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probably been aware of the non-human activity since the 1930s. Here's Congressman Burchette
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questioning David Grush before the committee hearing last week.
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Has the U.S. government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial,
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otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence? And if so, when do you think this first occurred?
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I like to use the term non-human. I don't like to denote origin. It keeps the aperture open,
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both scientifically. Certainly, like I've discussed publicly previously, 1930s.
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Okay. Can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct first-hand knowledge
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and access to some of this crash retrieval, some of these crash retrieval programs,
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maybe which facilities, military bases that the recovered material would be in? And I know a lot
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of Congress talked about we're going to go to Area 51 and, you know, there's nothing there anymore
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anyway. It's just, you know, and we move like a glacier. As soon as we announce it, I'm sure the
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I can't discuss that publicly, but I did provide that information both to the intel committees and
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the inspector general. And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed to get in a SCIF with
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you. Would that be probably what you would think? Sure, if you had the appropriate accesses, yeah.
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What special access programs cover this information, and how is it possible that they have evaded
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I do know the names. Once again, I can't discuss that publicly and how they've evaded oversight.
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I, in a closed setting, I can tell you the specific tradecraft use.
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All right. When did, when do you think those programs began and who authorized them?
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I do know a lot of that information, but that's something I can't discuss publicly.
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And there you have it. A former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, David Grush,
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saying the United States has been aware of alien life since the 30s. Why has our federal government
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never told us? Our guest today has spent years studying and investigating the universe
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and theorizing of late about the probability of extraterrestrial life. He's here today to
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tell us all about his recent expedition to Papua New Guinea, where he made an earth-shattering
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discovery, and it may become even more so. Joining us today is renowned Harvard
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professor of astronomy and physics, Avi Loeb. Avi just arrived back from a successful two-week
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expedition in the South Pacific, a very successful trip where he retrieved fragments from what he
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says is an interstellar meteorite that may well be evidence of alien life and technology.
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Avi Loeb, great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show. Congratulations on your
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success. Great to have you here to talk about just how big a deal this really is for our exploration
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of extraterrestrial life. Well, thank you so much for having me. It has been the most thrilling couple
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of weeks of my scientific career. Basically, we are fortunate to be the first humans to put our hands on
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material from a large object, roughly a meter in size, that came from outside the solar system. That
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never happened before. And the reason we knew that this object came from outside the solar system is
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because on January 8, 2014, the U.S. government detected the fireball from this object that collided with Earth.
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We see such meteors every year. Most of them are from the solar system. They are just rocks floating
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around from some debris, the Lego pieces that were used to make the planets that were left behind,
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and every now and then one of them collides with Earth. But this one was different because it was
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moving very fast, faster than the escape speed from the solar system, meaning that it came from outside
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of it. It's not bound to the sun like all the other rocks that we had seen before. And that was what
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the government data implied based on the analysis we did back in 2019 with my student Amir Siraj.
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And then we submitted a paper making the case that this is the first interstellar meteor that we know
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of that was recognized. And my colleagues did not allow the paper to be published for a few years
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because they argued. They said they don't believe the U.S. government. And then what happened was that
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the U.S. Space Command under the Department of Defense issued a letter, a formal letter to NASA,
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in which they said that indeed this object is interstellar at the 99.999% confidence based on
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their data. So at that point, I decided to go out and search for this object because
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the data that the government released also implied that it was tougher than all space rocks that we had
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seen before. There were 272 of them that were cataloged by NASA over the past decade. And this object
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exploded only in the lower atmosphere of the Earth where the density of air is very high.
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And given its very high velocity, it implied that it withstood a lot of stress and was tougher than
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even iron meteorites, meteorites made of iron. So the question is, what is it? And outside the solar
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system, it was moving at 60 kilometers per second, which is faster than 95% of all stars in the vicinity of
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the sun. So that raised the possibility that maybe it's an artificial object, maybe it's a spacecraft
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like Voyager, you know, that we launched into interstellar space. It will exit the solar system
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in 10,000 years. And then imagine Voyager in a billion years from now colliding with another planet.
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And it would appear as a meteor over there. And so that was very intriguing to consider that
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possibility. And that could explain why it was moving so fast, faster than 95% of the stars in
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the vicinity of the sun. And it was also a possible explanation for the material strength if it's
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made of some alloy, like stainless steel or something that we produce technologically.
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So this is not a philosophical question. We decided, I decided to lead an expedition that would search
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for any relics from this meteor. And we went to the Pacific Ocean and we found it. We found the
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materials. So I can go into more details if you wish. But the bottom line is, it was a successful
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expedition. And it was a very challenging expedition.
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Javi, as you might guess, our audience is fascinated with what you have found, what it portends.
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And let's turn to how you selected the area. You narrowed the area in the South Pacific,
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near New Guinea, Papua, and then went about trying to dredge.
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Right. So the ocean depth is about two kilometers. And we needed, I mean, the government coordinates
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were accurate to 10 kilometers. So we had a very large survey area that included the fireball
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of the meteor. And it was the size of Boston or Manhattan Island. And we just had to figure out
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more precisely where it should have been within that region. And what we used was the seismometer
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data from Papua New Guinea in Manus Island. And there was a delay in the arrival of the blast wave,
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the sound wave from the explosion. And from that delay, we figured out the distance of the site.
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And we pinned it very precisely to an arc that overlapped with the error box, the localization
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error box of the DOD, Department of Defense. And then we ended up with a strip along which
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the meteor path went. And fortunately, the direction of motion of the meteor was along that arc that we
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found from the seismometer data. So we had a preferred region that we localized. But the task was very
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challenging, as you alluded to, because anything left from this meteor was at a depth of two kilometers
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down at the bottom of the ocean. And moreover, this explosion released a few percent of the Hiroshima
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atomic bomb energy and into about 500 kilograms of material. So most likely, at least the outer surface
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of this object melted into tiny droplets, less than a millimeter in size, the size of a grain of sand
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or the head of a pin. And to find such objects that are called spheros, these are the molten droplets
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from the surface of the object as it was exposed to the immense heat from the fireball, to find them
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over a region that is 10 kilometers in size sounds like impossible. I mean, I was really worried about this.
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And in fact, I was able to get a group, a team of highly experienced professionals,
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the best in the world. And one of them coordinated the expedition, and he decided to get some bottles
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of champagne to the ship. By the way, the ship name was Silver Star. So that was very fitting for the task
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that we had. But he brought champagne. And after we found it, I asked him, why? How did you know? I mean,
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obviously, I would never allow us to celebrate unless we found something. So why did you bring the champagne
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ahead of time? It was a very difficult task. And he said that his name is Rob McCallum. He said that
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because I'm an optimist. And, you know, sometimes life is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you are
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an optimist, you have an advantage because you are attempting to accomplish something that other
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people do not. And I would say we were also lucky because if the meteor was half its size, it was roughly
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half a meter, at least half a meter in size. But if it was like a quarter of a meter in size,
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there wouldn't be enough spherols, these tiny droplets for us to find relative to the background.
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Because we used a sled that is roughly a meter in size that we dragged on the ocean floor and
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along lines that are 10 kilometers in length. And, you know, that's over a 10 kilometer square
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region. And you need many lines before you actually serve a significant fraction of the area. And
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we were just lucky that the meteor deposited enough spherols along the path that we identified. And
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in one of the runs, we found 10 of them, 10 of these metallic marbles. It was an amazing find,
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I should say, because they were embedded in black powder, which is basically volcanic ash that covers
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the area from volcanic activity. And what we used is a sled that we dragged on the ocean floor that
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had the magnets on both sides. And it collected anything magnetic, including this ash from volcanic
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activity, which was the most visible thing. When we scraped the magnets, we found this thing.
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But then we dried it up and used the mesh to filter out the tiny particles of dust from volcanic
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activity. And whatever we were left with, we dried up and we put it on the table and looked at it
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with a microscope. And the amazing thing is, we immediately saw these metallic marbles
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that are half a millimeter in size. And they looked beautiful. I mean, they had the
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gold, blue and brown colors, and they stood out relative to the background. And the moment I saw the
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first one, I hugged the person next to me that was a team member that did the analysis. And because
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when you find an ant in the kitchen, you know that there must be many more out there,
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if you surveyed the smaller part of the kitchen. And in the same way, I was confident once we found one,
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that there will be many more. And indeed, we found about 50 of them. But I should say that yesterday,
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I received the materials from the expedition, it was delivered by FedEx to my home. And I brought it
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to Harvard, where we will do further analysis, and we will try to figure out the composition. And
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I'm sure that there are many more metallic marbles like that, many more than 50, probably hundreds of
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them still in the materials to be found. We're talking with Professor Avi Loeb of Harvard. He's just
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returned from a two week expedition to the South Pacific, where he didn't find just a needle in a
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haystack. He found grains of sand in a haystack, if you will. We're going to continue our conversation
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with Avi Loeb, who was, I suppose, the first to lift up an interstellar object on our planet.
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We're coming right back. Stay with us. It only gets more fascinating.
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We're back with Professor Avi Loeb, and whose expedition to the Pacific was the realization of what
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seemed like to most of us, Professor Loeb's dream. A dream that was unlikely to be fulfilled,
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it seemed to many of us. A couple of years ago, he has done exactly what he set out to do.
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And Professor, I've got to say to you, when you were talking about how lucky you were,
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and certainly luck plays a part in everything. But amongst the luck, we should give credit
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to certainly the Space Command, NASA, who have all of the sensing equipment to determine
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speed, velocity, trajectory of near-Earth objects. It's remarkable, that part of the data. It's further
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remarkable, your calibrations and calculations to determine the trajectory of the object after it
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enters the Earth's atmosphere, then further to extrapolate and reduce that to a path on the ocean
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floor. It's a remarkable tale of intellectual achievement, I believe, as well. Your thoughts?
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Thank you so much. I mean, I wrote a diary about this
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trip and I had in it 35 reports and millions of people around the world followed them because
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they were telling me that they never saw science being done from the inside. And what they often
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witness are those press conferences where scientists present the final product and pretend that they
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never made a mistake that, in fact, it's as if they teach a class with knowledge that is
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well accepted. And the way science is done is by iterations because it's a learning experience. We
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don't know what we might find. We should not have a prejudice. We should just follow the evidence.
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And that's what people could see through this expedition. And the other thrilling thing here is that
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potentially we have a way of addressing the most fundamental question in science, I think,
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which is, are we alone? Do we have neighbors in our cosmic neighborhood? One way to find out is by
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going out to your backyard and you are used to the rocks that fill up your backyard. But every now and
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then you might see a tennis ball thrown by a neighbor or something coming from the cosmic street that you did not
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anticipate that looks different than the rocks. And that's what we are doing here. We're looking at
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an interstellar object which could potentially be artificial or technological in origin. And we can use
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those spheros, the tiny spheres that we found, each of which has a size of less than a millimeter
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and weighs about a milligram, really tiny things. It's hard to even see them in the vials that we put them in.
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rose petals that lead us to our partner because they provide us with a sense of where
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we might find any big piece from this meteor. So it could be that the core of the meteor survived and
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it's lying on the ocean floor. And just think of, again, a Voyager colliding with another planet and
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ending up on the ocean floor there. And, you know, if that's the case, once we go again to that site and
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now we know where to search, you know, if we search with a sonar and image the ocean floor, then we might
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find it. There is a chance that we will find a rock that was from an unusual environment, very different
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from the rocks in the solar system. It was tougher than those. And it's also possible that we might
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find a technological gadget. And then I asked the students in my last class at Harvard of the
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spring semester, I asked them, if we find a gadget and it has buttons, should we press a button?
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That's a very practical down to earth question. And half of the class said, no way. I mean, we do not
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want to take any risks. And the other half said, of course, we would like you to press a button because
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it's we're very curious to figure out what will happen. And then one of the students asked me,
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what would I do? And I said that I would take it to a laboratory to examine it first before engaging with
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it. So that's me as a scientist. But it would really change the way we think about
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our place in the universe, the way we think about ourselves, if we find that there is a partner out
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there, a technological civilization. What will you do now with the samples that you brought back?
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You describe them as if they sparkled in your hand as you found them to be so obvious within,
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you know, as you brought them back to the surface. What do you what do you do with them now?
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Yeah. So first, when I sent pictures in my essays on medium.com of of those marbles,
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my daughter immediately texted me and said that she wants one on a necklace. And I tried to explain that
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it's the size of the head of a pin. It's like less than a millimeter. So we can't thread it. They're
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really beautiful when you look at them through a microscope, but they look like a speck of dust
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when you look at them in a vial. And I brought these vials to my office today. I got them
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yesterday by FedEx delivered to my home. And I brought them in to Harvard and met with the people
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that have the best equipment in the world to analyze them. And what we will do is, first of all,
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study the composition, what they're made of, and check if indeed the composition is different from
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materials in the solar system. You mentioned earlier the magnetic slat. So obviously you anticipated there
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would be a high concentration of iron in order to use effectively a magnet, right?
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Yes. That was the expectation because the material strength was tougher than iron meteorite. So
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we suspected that it should include iron, maybe some alloy of iron, but also the magnetic
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method of selecting the particles relative to the mud, the muck at the bottom of the ocean,
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is most effective. The other approach, we also had a device called the sluicing device that is used,
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for example, in search for gold. So you select for particles that are denser than the background.
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But once we found those spherols, we knew that we are on the right path.
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If we wouldn't have found them, we would go for the sluicing device and try to find non-magnetic particles.
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But you're right. We had some intuition that there should be iron there and we found it. That was very
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fortunate and non-trivial, I should say, because there was a scientific paper that appeared just as we came
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back by experts that are used to working on solar system rocks. And they used the model that fits
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the appearance of meteors for solar system rocks. And they concluded that they cannot fit the data from
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the US government with their model. Assuming that it's either stones or iron meteorites, they just
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couldn't fit the data. So arrogantly, they argued the data must be wrong because our model doesn't fit
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it. And, you know, what I would say is that you should revise your model because the US government
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came forward, you know, the US Space Command put their reputation on the line by issuing a statement
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that they are 99.999% confident that it is an interstellar meteorite. And this paper was arguing,
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no, the velocity must have been much smaller by a factor of a few and the composition cannot include
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iron. That was another conclusion. And by the time they published their paper, we already had the materials,
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the spherols. We know that they are made of iron. This paper is wrong. And so the US government was
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right because we found those spherols close to the path that was dictated by the error box of DOD. So
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here is an example of how arrogance in science does not necessarily lead to the right conclusion
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because we now have the material. So we don't need the theoretical calculations to tell us what it's made
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of. We can just examine it in the lab. And that's what we are doing. So first thing is to check the
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composition in terms of elements, but also in terms of radioisotopes. These are elements that decay after
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some time. They are sort of like time bombs. They have a lifetime, a half-life. And then different
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elements have different, different isotopes have different half-lives. And we could potentially find
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such isotopes that at concentrations that are very different from the solar system materials and
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demonstrate that this is an interstellar object, irrespective of the previous data that the
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government provided. But most interestingly, we can also constrain the age of the material because
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you know, we would not find some isotopes if they already decayed. And so we can get an estimate of the
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duration of the journey. And so that will be very exciting. We're planning to do this analysis in the
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coming weeks within the month of July. And also, we plan to image those spherols. We already visited the
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UC Berkeley upon returning to the US. And we did some preliminary analysis there. And the images that we
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obtained of some spherols looked fascinating because when you look inside of them, what you find
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are spheres inside of spheres, sort of like Russian dolls. And then the way to understand it is that
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there were tiny spheres with a few hundred atoms in length, in size, that solidified very early. And they
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they became solid. And then they were engulfed by molten iron that was around them. And it basically
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carried them with it as it solidified. So you end up with spheres inside spheres inside spheres. We saw at
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least a few generations like that, which was an amazing sight. These tiny marbles, you know, they have a
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lot of interesting features inside of them. And we will try to analyze all of these things.
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Well, we're talking with Professor Avi Loeb. We're going to also ask the professor
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about the incidence of life beyond our solar system. And we're also going to ask what else we're going
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to hear from the professor over the course of the next few weeks, as he examines closely what they
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found on the floor of the Pacific. We're coming right back with Professor Avi Loeb. Stay with us.
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We're back with Professor Avi Loeb. And Avi, I want to you brought up the issue of life
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beyond extraterrestrials. What is your personal view?
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Professor Avi Loeb. Yeah, I think it's arrogant of us to believe that we are unique and special,
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because anytime in the past that we believe that we play a central role in the cosmos,
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we were proven wrong. We are not at the center of the universe. We arrived relatively late. The human
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species existed only for a few million years. That's one part in 10,000 of the age of the universe. If you
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arrive to a play, in this case the cosmic play, and you are not at the center of the stage, and you
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arrive just at the end of the play, the play is not about you. That's a very simple conclusion. And
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most stars, like the Sun, they form billions of years before the Sun. And many of them, a significant
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fraction has a planet the size of the Earth, roughly at the same separation. So I find it very likely that
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that there were other intelligent beings, you know, billions of years ago. They may be dead by now,
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many of them, many of those civilizations. But it's, you know, we can check our mailbox to see
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if there are any packages that they sent. They don't need to be alive for us to receive those packages.
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You can think of those packages as Amazon delivery services over interstellar space, you know. And,
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you know, it takes a billion years for a package to arrive to your doorstep. But, you know, there were
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probably senders billions of years ago. And we just need to look for those packages, for those objects
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in our backyard. And that's a completely new method of a search that we didn't practice before. We were
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looking for radio signals, which are similar to waiting for a phone call. You need the counterpart to be
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active when you are waiting. But here, you know, those packages, they don't move
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too fast. And so they are all bound by the gravity of the Milky Way galaxy. So they are still around.
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They keep accumulating over time, just like plastics in the ocean. So I believe that we are likely to
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have a partner and that we can learn from it. And I discuss it in great detail in my forthcoming book
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called Interstellar that is coming at the end of August, in just a month and a half from now.
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Professor Loeb's book title is Interstellar, appropriately enough. You mentioned the backyard.
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We don't want to overlook our backyards because it seems, to me at least, we're hearing and seeing so
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much right now about UFOs, about unidentified objects of all kinds in nearly every quarter of
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the world. Why do you think we're hearing so much now, aside from the release by some files from the
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government? Why do you think there's so much activity now? Well, there may be something the
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government knows that we don't know. But I found it much easier to retrieve the information from the
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bottom of the Pacific Ocean than to get it from Washington DC. Well, you wouldn't be alone in that
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experience, by the way. Yeah. And so we shouldn't rely on the government to tell us what lies beyond the
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solar system. We should just figure it out ourselves. You know, the government can deal with national
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security concerns. That's a completely different matter, down to earth. And anything to do with
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space should be up to science. One last question for you. Should we take some considerable comfort for
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the fact that the Space Command, that NASA and all of the sensing technology that we have arrayed around
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the world, picked up this interstellar traveler that you just went out to retrieve the remnants?
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If he could pick that up, I have to believe they could pick up a UFO.
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I think so. I think definitely. I mean, another very encouraging fact is that the Department of
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Defense came to my defense. And the scientific community is the side of the argument that was
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very conservative, trying to dismiss the discovery, whereas the US government was the one to support it.
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And during the expedition, I received a couple of emails from the Pentagon actually encouraging the
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scientific inquiry into this subject. So altogether, I had a very good experience with the US government
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in terms of their being open minded, supporting the scientific mission of the Galileo project that
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they lead. And then and I should say, you know, the fact that we found these ferals next to where
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they located the fireball is testimony to the quality of the sensors that the government is using.
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And it's remarkable. Did the government ask you for samples, by the way?
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No, they never they didn't ask me for that. Again, this is part of science. So what I'm doing,
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and it has nothing with national security. That's not their day job. But the scientific inquiry on
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interstellar space, that's beyond their jurisdiction. They just have to focus on the two dimensional
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surface of this rock that we live on the earth. They don't need to think about the, you know,
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distances of thousands of light years. I also want to commend you for as an astronomer
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and a physicist to go into the field around the on the other side of the world to prove your your
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theories and your your your speculation even correct. And the naysayers again, wrong as they can be.
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Thanks for being with us. And we congratulate you. God bless you.
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Thank you so much. There is a playwright in Los Angeles that is finishing a play about my research,
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and it will hopefully get to Broadway. We shall see.
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Professor Avi Loeb, quite a story, right? Our guest, obviously brilliant professor of astronomy and physics,
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