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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you

00:00:07.400 with us. We've reached, as I have said a number of times here lately, an inflection point

00:00:12.880 in American history. No one can say with the utmost certainty what direction this country

00:00:18.400 will take over the next several months. But there's considerable reason, I believe, now

00:00:23.420 for optimism about our future. We should all take to heart what we have been witnessing

00:00:29.480 in the nation's capital. I believe it's the collapse of the greatest cover-up in our nation's

00:00:35.300 history, and I believe it's well underway. The congressional investigation's already leaving

00:00:41.060 no reasonable doubt about the rampant corruption of the Biden regime. And as the massive cover-up

00:00:47.780 collapses, the Marxist Dems' witch hunt against President Trump looks all the more dangerous to

00:00:53.620 this republic. And yet all the more absurd because the conspirators have dramatically

00:00:59.060 and absurdly overreached their powers. They have energetically abused those powers and seem to

00:01:05.980 truly not understand that America is now watching their craven, corrupt acts against the law, the 0.63

00:01:13.260 Constitution, President Trump, and the American people. Yesterday, Marxist Dems and the Deep State

00:01:20.080 piled on further their list of charges against Trump. They indicted him for the third time criminally,

00:01:26.940 the second time by Junkyard Marxist Special Counsel Jack Smith. The Deep State and D.C. bureaucrats are

00:01:34.640 playing with fire, the likes of which we've never seen. After eight years of political persecution of

00:01:41.480 the president, the low-lifes have finally achieved their goal. They've politically persecuted, as they said

00:01:47.820 they would, President Trump. The thing they promised they would do on Inauguration Day of 2017.

00:01:55.940 The D.C. Marxist Dems have worked both in secrecy and sometimes in our faces to achieve their goal.

00:02:02.800 But President Trump promises when he's back in office in January of 2025, he will be unrelenting

00:02:09.320 against these crooks who came after him and you and me. President Trump posted on Truth yesterday

00:02:16.240 afternoon. Quote, in 2024, it will be our turn. Your mouth to God's ears, Mr. President. We deserve

00:02:24.940 answers. We deserve retribution and you deserve to be the 47th president. Well, today I thought we'd

00:02:31.420 close out the week with the extraordinary revelations coming out of our federal government

00:02:35.900 about unidentified flying objects. That's right, UFOs and alien technology. There's something going on

00:02:44.580 and we might as well take it up here on the Great America Show as we do every other story of cover-ups,

00:02:51.460 whether by our government. And this story is a doozy and it's only getting bigger.

00:02:56.960 According to former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer David Grush, who testified last week before

00:03:02.860 the House Oversight Committee, the U.S. government is in possession of UFOs and non-human bodies.

00:03:11.680 There, I said it. UFOs and non-human bodies. Grush also claimed that the U.S. government has

00:03:19.520 probably been aware of the non-human activity since the 1930s. Here's Congressman Burchette

00:03:26.360 questioning David Grush before the committee hearing last week.

00:03:30.660 Has the U.S. government become aware of actual evidence of extraterrestrial,

00:03:34.420 otherwise unexplained forms of intelligence? And if so, when do you think this first occurred?

00:03:39.340 I like to use the term non-human. I don't like to denote origin. It keeps the aperture open,

00:03:45.220 both scientifically. Certainly, like I've discussed publicly previously, 1930s.

00:03:53.500 Okay. Can you give me the names and titles of the people with direct first-hand knowledge

00:03:58.820 and access to some of this crash retrieval, some of these crash retrieval programs,

00:04:04.000 maybe which facilities, military bases that the recovered material would be in? And I know a lot

00:04:09.960 of Congress talked about we're going to go to Area 51 and, you know, there's nothing there anymore

00:04:15.740 anyway. It's just, you know, and we move like a glacier. As soon as we announce it, I'm sure the

00:04:20.280 moving vans would pull up, but please.

00:04:22.300 I can't discuss that publicly, but I did provide that information both to the intel committees and

00:04:28.400 the inspector general. And we could get that in the SCIF if we were allowed to get in a SCIF with

00:04:32.400 you. Would that be probably what you would think? Sure, if you had the appropriate accesses, yeah.

00:04:37.140 What special access programs cover this information, and how is it possible that they have evaded

00:04:43.020 oversight for so long?

00:04:44.460 I do know the names. Once again, I can't discuss that publicly and how they've evaded oversight.

00:04:51.520 I, in a closed setting, I can tell you the specific tradecraft use.

00:04:54.680 All right. When did, when do you think those programs began and who authorized them?

00:05:02.400 I do know a lot of that information, but that's something I can't discuss publicly.

00:05:06.380 And there you have it. A former U.S. Air Force intelligence officer, David Grush,

00:05:10.680 saying the United States has been aware of alien life since the 30s. Why has our federal government

00:05:17.280 never told us? Our guest today has spent years studying and investigating the universe

00:05:22.780 and theorizing of late about the probability of extraterrestrial life. He's here today to

00:05:29.140 tell us all about his recent expedition to Papua New Guinea, where he made an earth-shattering

00:05:34.840 discovery, and it may become even more so. Joining us today is renowned Harvard

00:05:40.500 professor of astronomy and physics, Avi Loeb. Avi just arrived back from a successful two-week

00:05:46.920 expedition in the South Pacific, a very successful trip where he retrieved fragments from what he

00:05:53.400 says is an interstellar meteorite that may well be evidence of alien life and technology.

00:06:01.400 Avi Loeb, great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show. Congratulations on your

00:06:06.520 success. Great to have you here to talk about just how big a deal this really is for our exploration

00:06:13.160 of extraterrestrial life. Well, thank you so much for having me. It has been the most thrilling couple

00:06:20.440 of weeks of my scientific career. Basically, we are fortunate to be the first humans to put our hands on

00:06:29.440 material from a large object, roughly a meter in size, that came from outside the solar system. That

00:06:38.080 never happened before. And the reason we knew that this object came from outside the solar system is

00:06:43.760 because on January 8, 2014, the U.S. government detected the fireball from this object that collided with Earth.

00:06:53.200 We see such meteors every year. Most of them are from the solar system. They are just rocks floating

00:07:00.960 around from some debris, the Lego pieces that were used to make the planets that were left behind,

00:07:08.320 and every now and then one of them collides with Earth. But this one was different because it was

00:07:12.720 moving very fast, faster than the escape speed from the solar system, meaning that it came from outside

00:07:18.800 of it. It's not bound to the sun like all the other rocks that we had seen before. And that was what

00:07:26.880 the government data implied based on the analysis we did back in 2019 with my student Amir Siraj.

00:07:34.960 And then we submitted a paper making the case that this is the first interstellar meteor that we know

00:07:41.600 of that was recognized. And my colleagues did not allow the paper to be published for a few years

00:07:49.520 because they argued. They said they don't believe the U.S. government. And then what happened was that

00:07:57.680 the U.S. Space Command under the Department of Defense issued a letter, a formal letter to NASA,

00:08:03.120 in which they said that indeed this object is interstellar at the 99.999% confidence based on

00:08:11.360 their data. So at that point, I decided to go out and search for this object because

00:08:18.240 the data that the government released also implied that it was tougher than all space rocks that we had

00:08:24.320 seen before. There were 272 of them that were cataloged by NASA over the past decade. And this object

00:08:31.600 exploded only in the lower atmosphere of the Earth where the density of air is very high.

00:08:37.680 And given its very high velocity, it implied that it withstood a lot of stress and was tougher than

00:08:44.800 even iron meteorites, meteorites made of iron. So the question is, what is it? And outside the solar

00:08:53.600 system, it was moving at 60 kilometers per second, which is faster than 95% of all stars in the vicinity of

00:09:00.720 the sun. So that raised the possibility that maybe it's an artificial object, maybe it's a spacecraft

00:09:07.920 like Voyager, you know, that we launched into interstellar space. It will exit the solar system

00:09:13.760 in 10,000 years. And then imagine Voyager in a billion years from now colliding with another planet.

00:09:21.760 And it would appear as a meteor over there. And so that was very intriguing to consider that

00:09:28.320 possibility. And that could explain why it was moving so fast, faster than 95% of the stars in

00:09:34.160 the vicinity of the sun. And it was also a possible explanation for the material strength if it's

00:09:39.920 made of some alloy, like stainless steel or something that we produce technologically.

00:09:46.080 So this is not a philosophical question. We decided, I decided to lead an expedition that would search

00:09:54.320 for any relics from this meteor. And we went to the Pacific Ocean and we found it. We found the

00:10:02.000 materials. So I can go into more details if you wish. But the bottom line is, it was a successful

00:10:08.560 expedition. And it was a very challenging expedition.

00:10:12.320 Javi, as you might guess, our audience is fascinated with what you have found, what it portends.

00:10:22.080 And let's turn to how you selected the area. You narrowed the area in the South Pacific,

00:10:29.120 near New Guinea, Papua, and then went about trying to dredge.

00:10:38.800 Right. So the ocean depth is about two kilometers. And we needed, I mean, the government coordinates

00:10:47.120 were accurate to 10 kilometers. So we had a very large survey area that included the fireball

00:10:56.560 of the meteor. And it was the size of Boston or Manhattan Island. And we just had to figure out

00:11:05.520 more precisely where it should have been within that region. And what we used was the seismometer

00:11:11.840 data from Papua New Guinea in Manus Island. And there was a delay in the arrival of the blast wave,

00:11:20.960 the sound wave from the explosion. And from that delay, we figured out the distance of the site.

00:11:27.840 And we pinned it very precisely to an arc that overlapped with the error box, the localization

00:11:36.640 error box of the DOD, Department of Defense. And then we ended up with a strip along which

00:11:44.480 the meteor path went. And fortunately, the direction of motion of the meteor was along that arc that we

00:11:54.640 found from the seismometer data. So we had a preferred region that we localized. But the task was very

00:12:03.200 challenging, as you alluded to, because anything left from this meteor was at a depth of two kilometers

00:12:11.200 down at the bottom of the ocean. And moreover, this explosion released a few percent of the Hiroshima 0.82

00:12:19.920 atomic bomb energy and into about 500 kilograms of material. So most likely, at least the outer surface

00:12:29.120 of this object melted into tiny droplets, less than a millimeter in size, the size of a grain of sand

00:12:38.480 or the head of a pin. And to find such objects that are called spheros, these are the molten droplets

00:12:48.400 from the surface of the object as it was exposed to the immense heat from the fireball, to find them

00:12:54.640 over a region that is 10 kilometers in size sounds like impossible. I mean, I was really worried about this.

00:13:03.040 And in fact, I was able to get a group, a team of highly experienced professionals,

00:13:13.360 the best in the world. And one of them coordinated the expedition, and he decided to get some bottles

00:13:19.280 of champagne to the ship. By the way, the ship name was Silver Star. So that was very fitting for the task

00:13:28.320 that we had. But he brought champagne. And after we found it, I asked him, why? How did you know? I mean,

00:13:37.200 obviously, I would never allow us to celebrate unless we found something. So why did you bring the champagne

00:13:44.240 ahead of time? It was a very difficult task. And he said that his name is Rob McCallum. He said that

00:13:52.080 because I'm an optimist. And, you know, sometimes life is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If you are

00:13:59.120 an optimist, you have an advantage because you are attempting to accomplish something that other

00:14:04.080 people do not. And I would say we were also lucky because if the meteor was half its size, it was roughly

00:14:14.640 half a meter, at least half a meter in size. But if it was like a quarter of a meter in size,

00:14:19.840 there wouldn't be enough spherols, these tiny droplets for us to find relative to the background.

00:14:27.360 Because we used a sled that is roughly a meter in size that we dragged on the ocean floor and

00:14:34.720 along lines that are 10 kilometers in length. And, you know, that's over a 10 kilometer square

00:14:44.480 region. And you need many lines before you actually serve a significant fraction of the area. And

00:14:52.000 we were just lucky that the meteor deposited enough spherols along the path that we identified. And

00:15:00.800 in one of the runs, we found 10 of them, 10 of these metallic marbles. It was an amazing find,

00:15:09.040 I should say, because they were embedded in black powder, which is basically volcanic ash that covers

00:15:17.120 the area from volcanic activity. And what we used is a sled that we dragged on the ocean floor that

00:15:26.400 had the magnets on both sides. And it collected anything magnetic, including this ash from volcanic

00:15:33.520 activity, which was the most visible thing. When we scraped the magnets, we found this thing.

00:15:39.120 But then we dried it up and used the mesh to filter out the tiny particles of dust from volcanic

00:15:48.560 activity. And whatever we were left with, we dried up and we put it on the table and looked at it

00:15:55.120 with a microscope. And the amazing thing is, we immediately saw these metallic marbles

00:16:02.480 that are half a millimeter in size. And they looked beautiful. I mean, they had the

00:16:13.280 gold, blue and brown colors, and they stood out relative to the background. And the moment I saw the

00:16:21.440 first one, I hugged the person next to me that was a team member that did the analysis. And because

00:16:28.240 when you find an ant in the kitchen, you know that there must be many more out there,

00:16:34.160 if you surveyed the smaller part of the kitchen. And in the same way, I was confident once we found one,

00:16:40.720 that there will be many more. And indeed, we found about 50 of them. But I should say that yesterday,

00:16:47.520 I received the materials from the expedition, it was delivered by FedEx to my home. And I brought it

00:16:56.240 to Harvard, where we will do further analysis, and we will try to figure out the composition. And

00:17:02.320 I'm sure that there are many more metallic marbles like that, many more than 50, probably hundreds of

00:17:08.640 them still in the materials to be found. We're talking with Professor Avi Loeb of Harvard. He's just

00:17:16.800 returned from a two week expedition to the South Pacific, where he didn't find just a needle in a

00:17:22.960 haystack. He found grains of sand in a haystack, if you will. We're going to continue our conversation

00:17:30.960 with Avi Loeb, who was, I suppose, the first to lift up an interstellar object on our planet.

00:17:42.400 We're coming right back. Stay with us. It only gets more fascinating.

00:17:52.800 We're back with Professor Avi Loeb, and whose expedition to the Pacific was the realization of what

00:18:00.720 seemed like to most of us, Professor Loeb's dream. A dream that was unlikely to be fulfilled,

00:18:08.960 it seemed to many of us. A couple of years ago, he has done exactly what he set out to do.

00:18:17.280 And Professor, I've got to say to you, when you were talking about how lucky you were,

00:18:21.040 and certainly luck plays a part in everything. But amongst the luck, we should give credit

00:18:27.520 to certainly the Space Command, NASA, who have all of the sensing equipment to determine

00:18:37.680 speed, velocity, trajectory of near-Earth objects. It's remarkable, that part of the data. It's further

00:18:46.480 remarkable, your calibrations and calculations to determine the trajectory of the object after it

00:18:55.200 enters the Earth's atmosphere, then further to extrapolate and reduce that to a path on the ocean

00:19:03.680 floor. It's a remarkable tale of intellectual achievement, I believe, as well. Your thoughts?

00:19:14.960 Thank you so much. I mean, I wrote a diary about this

00:19:18.320 trip and I had in it 35 reports and millions of people around the world followed them because

00:19:27.520 they were telling me that they never saw science being done from the inside. And what they often

00:19:35.040 witness are those press conferences where scientists present the final product and pretend that they

00:19:41.040 never made a mistake that, in fact, it's as if they teach a class with knowledge that is

00:19:47.680 well accepted. And the way science is done is by iterations because it's a learning experience. We

00:19:53.520 don't know what we might find. We should not have a prejudice. We should just follow the evidence.

00:19:58.160 And that's what people could see through this expedition. And the other thrilling thing here is that

00:20:04.080 potentially we have a way of addressing the most fundamental question in science, I think,

00:20:11.520 which is, are we alone? Do we have neighbors in our cosmic neighborhood? One way to find out is by

00:20:18.960 going out to your backyard and you are used to the rocks that fill up your backyard. But every now and

00:20:25.760 then you might see a tennis ball thrown by a neighbor or something coming from the cosmic street that you did not

00:20:32.560 anticipate that looks different than the rocks. And that's what we are doing here. We're looking at

00:20:37.360 an interstellar object which could potentially be artificial or technological in origin. And we can use

00:20:44.720 those spheros, the tiny spheres that we found, each of which has a size of less than a millimeter

00:20:53.440 and weighs about a milligram, really tiny things. It's hard to even see them in the vials that we put them in.

00:21:01.600 But we can use them just like a romantic

00:21:07.920 rose petals that lead us to our partner because they provide us with a sense of where

00:21:14.480 we might find any big piece from this meteor. So it could be that the core of the meteor survived and

00:21:22.720 it's lying on the ocean floor. And just think of, again, a Voyager colliding with another planet and

00:21:29.200 ending up on the ocean floor there. And, you know, if that's the case, once we go again to that site and

00:21:36.320 now we know where to search, you know, if we search with a sonar and image the ocean floor, then we might

00:21:43.840 find it. There is a chance that we will find a rock that was from an unusual environment, very different

00:21:50.800 from the rocks in the solar system. It was tougher than those. And it's also possible that we might

00:21:56.560 find a technological gadget. And then I asked the students in my last class at Harvard of the

00:22:02.800 spring semester, I asked them, if we find a gadget and it has buttons, should we press a button?

00:22:08.960 That's a very practical down to earth question. And half of the class said, no way. I mean, we do not

00:22:17.280 want to take any risks. And the other half said, of course, we would like you to press a button because

00:22:24.720 it's we're very curious to figure out what will happen. And then one of the students asked me,

00:22:30.400 what would I do? And I said that I would take it to a laboratory to examine it first before engaging with

00:22:36.400 it. So that's me as a scientist. But it would really change the way we think about

00:22:42.320 our place in the universe, the way we think about ourselves, if we find that there is a partner out

00:22:48.320 there, a technological civilization. What will you do now with the samples that you brought back?

00:22:56.000 You describe them as if they sparkled in your hand as you found them to be so obvious within,

00:23:04.640 you know, as you brought them back to the surface. What do you what do you do with them now?

00:23:11.520 Yeah. So first, when I sent pictures in my essays on medium.com of of those marbles,

00:23:19.440 my daughter immediately texted me and said that she wants one on a necklace. And I tried to explain that

00:23:25.760 it's the size of the head of a pin. It's like less than a millimeter. So we can't thread it. They're

00:23:32.560 really beautiful when you look at them through a microscope, but they look like a speck of dust

00:23:37.040 when you look at them in a vial. And I brought these vials to my office today. I got them

00:23:43.040 yesterday by FedEx delivered to my home. And I brought them in to Harvard and met with the people

00:23:49.200 that have the best equipment in the world to analyze them. And what we will do is, first of all,

00:23:55.600 study the composition, what they're made of, and check if indeed the composition is different from

00:24:05.280 materials in the solar system. You mentioned earlier the magnetic slat. So obviously you anticipated there

00:24:18.400 would be a high concentration of iron in order to use effectively a magnet, right?

00:24:26.560 Yes. That was the expectation because the material strength was tougher than iron meteorite. So

00:24:33.840 we suspected that it should include iron, maybe some alloy of iron, but also the magnetic

00:24:43.680 method of selecting the particles relative to the mud, the muck at the bottom of the ocean,

00:24:49.920 is most effective. The other approach, we also had a device called the sluicing device that is used,

00:24:57.920 for example, in search for gold. So you select for particles that are denser than the background.

00:25:04.560 But once we found those spherols, we knew that we are on the right path.

00:25:09.920 If we wouldn't have found them, we would go for the sluicing device and try to find non-magnetic particles.

00:25:17.120 But you're right. We had some intuition that there should be iron there and we found it. That was very

00:25:24.160 fortunate and non-trivial, I should say, because there was a scientific paper that appeared just as we came

00:25:30.720 back by experts that are used to working on solar system rocks. And they used the model that fits

00:25:40.320 the appearance of meteors for solar system rocks. And they concluded that they cannot fit the data from

00:25:48.400 the US government with their model. Assuming that it's either stones or iron meteorites, they just

00:25:56.400 couldn't fit the data. So arrogantly, they argued the data must be wrong because our model doesn't fit

00:26:04.400 it. And, you know, what I would say is that you should revise your model because the US government

00:26:10.480 came forward, you know, the US Space Command put their reputation on the line by issuing a statement

00:26:17.840 that they are 99.999% confident that it is an interstellar meteorite. And this paper was arguing,

00:26:25.280 no, the velocity must have been much smaller by a factor of a few and the composition cannot include

00:26:32.480 iron. That was another conclusion. And by the time they published their paper, we already had the materials,

00:26:38.160 the spherols. We know that they are made of iron. This paper is wrong. And so the US government was

00:26:43.040 right because we found those spherols close to the path that was dictated by the error box of DOD. So

00:26:51.760 here is an example of how arrogance in science does not necessarily lead to the right conclusion

00:26:57.680 because we now have the material. So we don't need the theoretical calculations to tell us what it's made

00:27:02.800 of. We can just examine it in the lab. And that's what we are doing. So first thing is to check the

00:27:08.560 composition in terms of elements, but also in terms of radioisotopes. These are elements that decay after

00:27:16.480 some time. They are sort of like time bombs. They have a lifetime, a half-life. And then different

00:27:22.960 elements have different, different isotopes have different half-lives. And we could potentially find

00:27:29.920 such isotopes that at concentrations that are very different from the solar system materials and

00:27:35.760 demonstrate that this is an interstellar object, irrespective of the previous data that the

00:27:41.120 government provided. But most interestingly, we can also constrain the age of the material because

00:27:48.000 you know, we would not find some isotopes if they already decayed. And so we can get an estimate of the

00:27:54.960 duration of the journey. And so that will be very exciting. We're planning to do this analysis in the

00:28:02.800 coming weeks within the month of July. And also, we plan to image those spherols. We already visited the

00:28:13.360 UC Berkeley upon returning to the US. And we did some preliminary analysis there. And the images that we

00:28:21.360 obtained of some spherols looked fascinating because when you look inside of them, what you find

00:28:28.400 are spheres inside of spheres, sort of like Russian dolls. And then the way to understand it is that

00:28:38.080 there were tiny spheres with a few hundred atoms in length, in size, that solidified very early. And they

00:28:48.080 they became solid. And then they were engulfed by molten iron that was around them. And it basically

00:28:58.640 carried them with it as it solidified. So you end up with spheres inside spheres inside spheres. We saw at

00:29:05.120 least a few generations like that, which was an amazing sight. These tiny marbles, you know, they have a

00:29:12.080 lot of interesting features inside of them. And we will try to analyze all of these things.

00:29:17.760 Well, we're talking with Professor Avi Loeb. We're going to also ask the professor

00:29:24.640 about the incidence of life beyond our solar system. And we're also going to ask what else we're going

00:29:35.120 to hear from the professor over the course of the next few weeks, as he examines closely what they

00:29:42.720 found on the floor of the Pacific. We're coming right back with Professor Avi Loeb. Stay with us.

00:29:53.840 We're back with Professor Avi Loeb. And Avi, I want to you brought up the issue of life

00:29:59.920 beyond extraterrestrials. What is your personal view?

00:30:03.920 Professor Avi Loeb. Yeah, I think it's arrogant of us to believe that we are unique and special,

00:30:09.680 because anytime in the past that we believe that we play a central role in the cosmos,

00:30:15.040 we were proven wrong. We are not at the center of the universe. We arrived relatively late. The human

00:30:20.800 species existed only for a few million years. That's one part in 10,000 of the age of the universe. If you

00:30:27.760 arrive to a play, in this case the cosmic play, and you are not at the center of the stage, and you

00:30:34.240 arrive just at the end of the play, the play is not about you. That's a very simple conclusion. And

00:30:42.000 most stars, like the Sun, they form billions of years before the Sun. And many of them, a significant

00:30:48.240 fraction has a planet the size of the Earth, roughly at the same separation. So I find it very likely that

00:30:54.400 that there were other intelligent beings, you know, billions of years ago. They may be dead by now,

00:31:01.200 many of them, many of those civilizations. But it's, you know, we can check our mailbox to see

00:31:06.640 if there are any packages that they sent. They don't need to be alive for us to receive those packages.

00:31:12.800 You can think of those packages as Amazon delivery services over interstellar space, you know. And,

00:31:20.160 you know, it takes a billion years for a package to arrive to your doorstep. But, you know, there were

00:31:26.800 probably senders billions of years ago. And we just need to look for those packages, for those objects

00:31:33.760 in our backyard. And that's a completely new method of a search that we didn't practice before. We were

00:31:39.840 looking for radio signals, which are similar to waiting for a phone call. You need the counterpart to be

00:31:47.120 active when you are waiting. But here, you know, those packages, they don't move

00:31:52.160 too fast. And so they are all bound by the gravity of the Milky Way galaxy. So they are still around.

00:31:58.880 They keep accumulating over time, just like plastics in the ocean. So I believe that we are likely to

00:32:06.240 have a partner and that we can learn from it. And I discuss it in great detail in my forthcoming book

00:32:12.880 called Interstellar that is coming at the end of August, in just a month and a half from now.

00:32:18.880 Professor Loeb's book title is Interstellar, appropriately enough. You mentioned the backyard.

00:32:25.520 We don't want to overlook our backyards because it seems, to me at least, we're hearing and seeing so

00:32:31.440 much right now about UFOs, about unidentified objects of all kinds in nearly every quarter of

00:32:40.800 the world. Why do you think we're hearing so much now, aside from the release by some files from the

00:32:47.760 government? Why do you think there's so much activity now? Well, there may be something the

00:32:53.840 government knows that we don't know. But I found it much easier to retrieve the information from the

00:33:02.560 bottom of the Pacific Ocean than to get it from Washington DC. Well, you wouldn't be alone in that

00:33:11.200 experience, by the way. Yeah. And so we shouldn't rely on the government to tell us what lies beyond the

00:33:20.000 solar system. We should just figure it out ourselves. You know, the government can deal with national

00:33:24.880 security concerns. That's a completely different matter, down to earth. And anything to do with

00:33:30.080 space should be up to science. One last question for you. Should we take some considerable comfort for

00:33:38.000 the fact that the Space Command, that NASA and all of the sensing technology that we have arrayed around

00:33:45.760 the world, picked up this interstellar traveler that you just went out to retrieve the remnants?

00:33:56.800 If he could pick that up, I have to believe they could pick up a UFO.

00:34:02.480 I think so. I think definitely. I mean, another very encouraging fact is that the Department of

00:34:09.680 Defense came to my defense. And the scientific community is the side of the argument that was

00:34:17.680 very conservative, trying to dismiss the discovery, whereas the US government was the one to support it.

00:34:26.000 And during the expedition, I received a couple of emails from the Pentagon actually encouraging the

00:34:30.800 scientific inquiry into this subject. So altogether, I had a very good experience with the US government

00:34:37.440 in terms of their being open minded, supporting the scientific mission of the Galileo project that

00:34:44.800 they lead. And then and I should say, you know, the fact that we found these ferals next to where

00:34:50.720 they located the fireball is testimony to the quality of the sensors that the government is using.

00:34:56.320 And it's remarkable. Did the government ask you for samples, by the way?

00:35:00.400 No, they never they didn't ask me for that. Again, this is part of science. So what I'm doing,

00:35:08.720 and it has nothing with national security. That's not their day job. But the scientific inquiry on

00:35:14.880 interstellar space, that's beyond their jurisdiction. They just have to focus on the two dimensional

00:35:21.280 surface of this rock that we live on the earth. They don't need to think about the, you know,

00:35:27.280 distances of thousands of light years. I also want to commend you for as an astronomer

00:35:33.200 and a physicist to go into the field around the on the other side of the world to prove your your

00:35:40.000 theories and your your your speculation even correct. And the naysayers again, wrong as they can be.

00:35:47.840 Thanks for being with us. And we congratulate you. God bless you.

00:35:52.000 Thank you so much. There is a playwright in Los Angeles that is finishing a play about my research,

00:35:59.440 and it will hopefully get to Broadway. We shall see.

00:36:02.240 Professor Avi Loeb, quite a story, right? Our guest, obviously brilliant professor of astronomy and physics,

00:36:10.160 Avi Loeb at Harvard University. Thank you, everybody, for being with us. Our guest here Monday will be the

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