Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the ongoing case against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and her challenge to her re-election in Georgia's 6th congressional district.
00:10:30.500The Bill of Rights is an annoyance overall to the left.
00:10:34.540When we examine, not even closely, but examine cursorily what is happening in the country,
00:10:43.580we're looking at a border that's wide open.
00:10:46.540Illegal immigration is soaring as it never has in our history before.
00:10:51.180We have a president who is getting away with dropping Title 42, which means an end to the remain in Mexico to immediate expulsion to home countries and to Mexico.
00:11:05.140The odds are that, so say the border security groups, $600,000 a month.
00:11:15.240You know, that works out to about $7 million a year on top of the $2.5 to $3.5 million already coming through.
00:11:25.580We're looking at changing this nation fundamentally in the course of about 36 months, aren't we?
00:11:31.760Yeah, Lou, I mean, you highlight the significant consequences of this invasion in the long term.
00:11:39.040And, of course, you've got the short-term issue of the public health, which is what Title 42 is about, national security, just basic crime,
00:11:50.780and human trafficking, and human trafficking, and, of course, the cartels, which are chiefly concerned with moving drugs across the border.
00:12:02.300And they control the southern border, certainly the Mexican side.
00:12:06.260And they're the dog that wags the tail on our side.
00:12:11.260I mean, Chris Farrell, who you know, Chris, my colleague, he runs our investigations team.
00:12:16.820He was just down on the border, and he learned over the last year there had been 9,000 documented drone overflights by the cartels of U.S. border operations.
00:12:29.740So we're pacing a paramilitary organization with bureaucrats, more or less.
00:12:36.960I mean, God bless the ICE and CBP, but they're not equipped to deal with this and respond to it.
00:12:43.500And then, of course, we're relying on the poor sheriffs and local law enforcement in the states to come up and clean up the mess,
00:12:50.280because the feds can't take care of all these people.
00:12:52.740So it's the states that need to do it, or end up doing it, or the local sheriffs.
00:13:53.660And he's a little late to the game on this, as usual, because he's, you know, he's that type of Republican.
00:14:00.380But, you know, but the steps he took, for instance, in interdicting trucks, I mean, that's the sort of escalation in creative thinking that we need on the border.
00:14:09.620But we've got to think of ways to protect, I mean, if I were a governor, I would be desperate to think of everything and anything I could do to protect their citizens, certainly in the border region.
00:14:20.340And, of course, you know, it's Oklahoma, it's Arkansas, you know, DeSantis, you know, we, you know, with such an East Coast approach, immigration policy is so East Coast, right?
00:14:32.340Because we, because we're here in the district or Maryland and New York, it might as well be happening in Timbuktu.
00:14:41.460But this border region is a lot closer to a lot more people than just Texas.
00:14:46.920So when you hear noises in Alabama and Florida and Arkansas and Mississippi and Louisiana and Oklahoma and just north of Arizona and such, you're, you know, this is not, it's a hop, skip and a jump.
00:15:00.280And, and, and of course, you know, they're flying people straight into white planes.
00:15:04.420So, but what New York has largely lost in terms of their ability to do with any internal immigration enforcement, because the local politicians are aiding and abetting it just as badly as the Biden administration is.
00:15:33.260Uh, every bit is, uh, left wing, uh, is Illinois, uh, perhaps not California, but, uh, very left wing and headed in all the wrong ways and directions.
00:15:47.200Oh, I want to go back to what you said about those 9,000 drone flights, surveilling law enforcement down in, uh, Texas that Chris Farrell discovered, but we haven't heard anything about that.
00:15:58.260And what has been the risk, the response of the border patrol, uh, DAA and other agencies operating down there under the surveillance of the cartels?
00:16:08.580Well, I mean, if the administration were serious about enforcement, they'd be, uh, counter counter, um, you know, programming, I guess, you know,
00:16:16.800if they'd be countervailing it, how about shooting them out of the air?
00:16:21.080Well, you know, if they're, well, I don't know technically how feasible, um, or what is the feasible response to it, but you can bet they're not even thinking about it.
00:16:30.780I mean, my guess is the agents on the ground, it's just another fact of life they have to deal with.
00:16:37.040I mean, they know exactly what's happening.
00:16:46.560And, and, and there, by the way, I, you know, all of the nonsense and the bull, uh, who's it?
00:16:51.600Mike McCall, when he was chairman of the Homeland Security Committee was all excited about, uh, sensors and every rhino you hear will be talking to you about sensors and surveillance and drones.
00:17:03.300And yeah, but, uh, you know, yabba, yabba, uh, meanwhile, the only people using technology are the bad guys.
00:17:10.140They've been pulled back so far from the border, millions of people, every, in Biden's first year, 2 million illegal immigrants across the border.
00:17:20.980They rack that up as an encounter with the border patrol and 1.6 million of them.
00:17:26.300According to Mark Morgan, the former commissioner of customs and border protection, 1.6 million were released by the Biden administration into this country without so much as a howdy do.
00:17:38.900Well, those are the ones that are caught.
00:17:40.780I mean, the getaways or the gotaways are, uh, an exponential factor of those who are interdicted and let out, as you point out, uh, essentially not turned back as it is.
00:17:51.660So, uh, you know, it's a free for all.
00:17:54.140And of course, you know, these aliens and the drug cartels that smuggle them in aren't going to stop as long as there's no consequence or no effective, uh, protection of, of our sovereignty there.
00:18:06.240And so, you know, to me, uh, this is an eminently impeachable offense.
00:18:10.400The fact that Republicans aren't talking about it, there are a few good ones that are doing it.
00:18:14.020I mean, there's a, a harder core group than there used to be in the house.
00:18:17.760Uh, some of our friends have gone a little bit soft, but McCarthy is afraid of impeachment.
00:18:22.400Certainly Mitch McConnell's never going to countenance impeachment.
00:18:25.820Uh, but you know, if, if the rule of law and our nation's sovereignty means anything, and, uh, what would it mean to allow a president to knowingly aid in a bet and, and help foreign nationals enter the country illegally and then move them around the country.
00:18:40.600So they're able to settle, um, with tax dollars.
00:18:44.060If that's not impeachable, I don't know what would be.
00:18:46.020Well, you know, what would be with a rhino, nothing, both, both names that you've just mentioned, Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, and they are pushing McCarthy hard to be the speaker of the house.
00:18:59.060If this red wave election comes to pass, uh, and you know, what's going to happen.
00:19:28.340And the Republicans fear upsetting the apple cart, or if you will, uh, making a splash with the wave, uh, because they don't want to do anything to lose and playing to lose is the perfect way for the Republican party to always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
00:19:47.680I mean, you know, the day, uh, yeah, I should say the danger is, uh, you know, Republicans will probably win in November, at least on the house because the politics are such that they, they would, they would, they would have to work hard to lose.
00:20:00.180Uh, but you know, the question is, what are they going to do with the house victory?
00:20:04.760And is it going to be more of the same where, uh, Republicans tell conservative voters should put them in?
00:21:18.860You know, I try to avoid the, the party analysis is, uh, running a seat like judicial watch does.
00:21:25.880But, you know, my experience is that, uh, you know, as a citizen and an observer of DC is that there's a disconnect between the current Republican leadership or much of the current Republican leadership and, uh, the voters to put them in office.
00:21:41.000And as long as that disconnect continues, unless there's either, unless the leadership starts reflecting the values of the people who put them in office, it's, it's going to be trying times for folks like you and me, Lou.
00:21:56.640So I'm frightened of the prospects for this country right now, because we are putting up with a man who takes orders from a bunny on an Easter roll.
00:22:06.260I mean, what in the hell are we doing?
00:22:14.420And this man is the president of the United States.
00:22:18.800And he has at his side and absolutely equally incompetent in app and, uh, devoid of any apparent knowledge, Kamala Harris, the vice president, the Republican party, at least put up known tried leaders.
00:22:37.680And the Democratic party should absolutely be indicted, impeached, whatever it takes for their failure to put up decent leadership, decent people who have intelligence, talent, and some gift to run a government.
00:22:55.480I, it's incredible that we are tolerating this nonsense.
00:23:03.220Well, the challenge on, uh, for the Democrats is that they, uh, have the corrupt corporatist wing of which Biden is the representative.
00:23:11.760And then they have the rising communist wing, right?
00:23:14.220The AOCs and the radicals like Elizabeth Warren.
00:23:18.360Uh, and then, you know, and, and Clinton is, uh, you know, tries, tries to, uh, keep both, uh, feet in both, uh, camps as well.
00:23:27.820You know, my view is Biden's got significant political problems in that regard.
00:23:31.680He has little moral, um, claim on the presidency.
00:23:35.820Half the country reject it, rejects it because of the compromise 2020 elections.
00:23:40.720And on top of that, uh, you've got this corruption crisis that Biden, uh, the media is helping, helping him with, but they're whistling past the graveyard on it.
00:23:50.140I mean, it wasn't just the Easter punny who came to town in, uh, Washington this week at the white house.
00:23:59.420This is a man who's under criminal investigation for bribery, money laundering, um, foreign agent violations, uh, and, you know, tax fraud.
00:24:11.000And he's shows, and he, he shows his face at the white house, uh, you know, and with little now it's, it's, it's, it's the president's son.
00:24:36.020Uh, and when you talk about Hunter Biden, the laptop, the, the question becomes, uh, when you talk about the investigation that the U S attorney in Delaware has been carrying on, think about this.
00:24:51.460You're a man, uh, of, uh, of many investigations, uh, with great experience.
00:24:57.480Have you ever heard of the justice department taking four years, four years to investigate corruption, uh, felonious behavior on the part of, uh, significant public figures, or is this just another case of what I think the justice department has become a burial ground for truth?
00:25:19.520You know, there's a little bit of irony here, Lou.
00:25:21.200I think the Biden investigation was shut down during the Trump administration and somehow got going during the Biden administration bar shut it down during the campaign.
00:25:33.640And then Biden came in and the justice department had no choice, but to proceed because everyone knew they had the Hunter laptop.
00:25:40.360The problem with the justice department is, um, because.
00:25:45.040You've got Garland, who's a federal judge and he kind of, and he kind of knows what the rules are.
00:25:49.740So, you know, that's a problem for the radicals in the justice department and the rules of the justice department are that there are special counsel be appointed.
00:25:57.420When there's a conflict of interest, there's obviously a conflict of interest with investigating Hunter, especially since some of the crimes implicate Joe Biden.
00:26:10.000And in those circumstances, there has to be a special counsel.
00:26:13.300And, you know, uh, I don't know what type of job this, uh, this, uh, this person's doing in Delaware, but I do know that a special counsel is necessary, irrespective.
00:26:24.120Of, of, uh, what the D what they're doing, because that's what we were told for years under Trump.
00:26:29.680You can't have the president being investigated by his own justice department.
00:26:35.280Uh, let's talk about William Barr, the American people, because the corporatist elitist media, uh, leftist media will not focus on what Barr has already admitted.
00:26:49.140He admitted that he knew that a presidential candidate was lying about the laptop and about his role with that laptop in a presidential debate in front of millions and millions of people, tens of millions, uh, because he didn't want to intervene in a, an election.
00:27:11.100Why, what would you think that an attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer in the country, what was he afraid of?
00:27:19.700Was he afraid of intervening in an election or was he afraid that his buddies down at the university club or whichever one he belongs to in Washington would chide him for supporting Donald Trump, who is just happens to be the president of the United States.
00:27:36.220Well, you know, that's the pretend justice department rule out there, right?
00:27:40.120Lou, that they don't intervene in elections, which of course is not what the rule ought to be.
00:27:44.860If you're fairly administering justice, you don't let elections keep you from doing an investigation.
00:27:50.440You don't time investigations to elections.
00:27:53.640And when you refuse to intervene because of an election, that's putting your thumb on the scale the opposite way, just as much as intervening because of an election to advance an electoral process.
00:28:07.920So this is why, again, Barr failed to understand what is, in my view, what his responsibilities were, which was to make sure the law would be pursued irrespective of politics.
00:28:19.520And obviously, you don't say, hey, let's time an indictment to the week before an election like Lawrence Welsh did.
00:28:27.180Remember, the special counsel on Iran-Contra who helped put Bill Clinton in office.
00:28:34.760So, by the way, just so the audience knows, Walsh intervened on the final Friday before the election of 1992.
00:28:49.520He indicted Cap Weinberger, who was a secretary of defense for Reagan, and implicated and suggested that George Bush, who was running for re-election, had done something wrong the Friday before the election.
00:29:29.420And then Barr, who President Trump correctly and succinctly stated is a weak man.
00:29:39.540That's who we're talking about, but that's the man he put in that job.
00:29:43.820And what I still don't understand are the number of people who work in Washington, who live in Washington, Tom, who will say when I criticize Barr because, A, he didn't get anything done.
00:29:55.800B, he chickened out what he should have been at his bravest and most courageous.
00:29:59.960He did not investigate an election that I don't care what his basis was for saying it was a perfect election.
00:30:12.060He had to know what was going on all the way around, 360 degrees.
00:30:17.460And he didn't allow his FBI, his Justice Department to investigate what were clear irregularities, anomalies, and use of private funds to drive at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars the Democratic vote in five Wisconsin, five of Wisconsin's largest cities, for example.
00:30:42.760That doesn't even include Georgia and Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania.
00:30:52.680I think he was stubborn and quite strong when it came to just doing what he wanted to do, irrespective of what the law and the facts and history might require of him.
00:31:11.440But when he decides he doesn't want to do something or he decides it's not in the best interest of the institution of the Justice Department as he sees it, he's not going to decede to any other interpretation, including the interpretation of the president, who's, in my view, whose orders, as long as they're lawful, should be followed.
00:31:33.060And this idea that somehow the Justice Department and the FBI are independent agencies, independent of responsibility to the president of the United States, the chief executive.
00:31:44.160Where in the heck did they come up with that rule?
00:31:47.820And because, and by the way, they didn't have a, they didn't hesitate.
00:31:51.240They didn't hesitate when the president's people under Barack Obama decided they would start concocting nonsense and creating a dossier and a faux Russian collusion conspiracy to stop Donald Trump as a candidate, then overthrow him as a president, get him impeached twice.
00:32:18.300I mean, it goes on and on, and now January 6th, Tom, this is seven years of political persecution and outrageous, outrageous criminal conspiracy on the part of the Democratic Party,
00:32:32.120the Obama administration's intelligence chiefs, and throughout the FBI, rancid, pervasive, disgusting, appalling corruption worthy of a cartel, a Mexican drug cartel.
00:32:50.060Well, I mean, what we're seeing is like the operation, practically speaking, and I know it's not literally speaking, but practically you have a one-party state apparatus targeting its opposition.
00:33:01.300It doesn't mean that political opponents don't rise to high office like the presidency or, you know, the Senate is split and there are significant numbers of Republicans in the House,
00:33:11.720but you have this one-party state apparatus trying to target, jail, spy on its political opponents.
00:33:19.120And they're doing it from the highest to the lowest, from President Trump to, you know, some volunteer who wanted to be an alternate slate,
00:33:32.500an alternate member of an electoral slate that would compete with the slate that was under disputed in states like Wisconsin and elsewhere.
00:33:42.660There's nothing too petty that there's nothing too petty that they won't target.
00:33:46.660Look at the way some of these January 6th defendants have been treated.
00:33:50.820Look, we had a woman killed in the Capitol for no good reason, Ashley Babbitt.
00:34:46.140And what they have become is a reliable vote for corruption, absolutely un-American attacks on our very institutions that preserve freedom and liberty for us as citizens.
00:34:59.880And through the Marxism that is the hallmark of every major initiative by this White House and corporate America now and every, it seems, every nonprofit in the country, an effort to destroy the family, to destroy American values of decency and life itself.
00:35:28.760It's a horrific moment in time because we should be more worried, absolutely, about China than we are Russia.
00:35:38.100But we should not for one moment think that the dangers, the threats, are any less from within.
00:35:46.400Again, this is at least the same level, the extremists within our society on the left who mean to destroy us are at the same level as communist China's external threat, don't you think?
00:36:02.200Well, I mean, it's this transnational extremist left, and they're operating in China.
00:36:10.940You know, the irony of the Ukraine-Russia situation is I'm just waiting for the worm to turn, where all of a sudden for the left, it's the Ukrainians that need to be attacked and opposed while the Russians need to be supported.
00:36:24.400I mean, every position politically of the extreme left in this country is purely tactical and short-term and unprincipled.
00:36:32.360And when you're seeking to destroy the nation, undo our government, act in, and I don't call it unconstitutional, anti-constitutional ways, you're doing it that it's this transnational left.
00:36:50.200They all have the same approach, and there's different flavors of it, the Chinese communist flavor, the Russian strongman flavor, the internationalist flavor in Europe, and, of course, the AOC-type flavor here in the United States.
00:37:05.960But they're all drinking from the same fountain of anti-Americanism, communism, Marxism, as you point out, that it would be so destructive to the American way of life.
00:37:17.300Yeah. And destructive of the family is the fundamental foundation of the American dream and the American middle class.
00:37:30.180It's just a moment where we were making considerable progress, building a middle class, African-Americans joining that middle class, Hispanics joining that middle class.
00:37:43.380The decision was made somewhere along the way by the Democratic Party, that that is just a little too comfortable and a little too close for their liking.
00:37:52.440And they have swung hard left, Marxist left, and are encouraging not only universities and professors and teachers unions, but also Wall Street and corporate America to join them in the Marxist binge that could just simply overturn our foundational institutions and values.
00:38:48.120People say they want higher taxes, they want to preserve Social Security, the typical debates we have, but it's gone from, oh, we want higher taxes to we want to confiscate the wealth of Americans by name.
00:38:59.860It's now a tenet of this party to target sex talk at school children by teachers.
00:39:11.880And it used not to be a tenet because there were pro-life Republican Democrats to support abortion throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy and beyond paid for with tax dollars.
00:39:22.920So this extremism is, you know, I worry about the Republicans, but I also worry about the Democrats, because there are tens of millions of Democrats who deserve better representation for their liberal values, as opposed to the left wing values that the leadership is now advocating for.
00:39:44.480Well, Tom, why not let them become Republicans?
00:39:47.460Well, the Democrats are, you know, what they deserve to be.
00:39:52.720Their leadership deserves to be in jail.
00:39:55.180I knew that was going to get you, Lou.
00:39:58.420It got me because we need in this party, the Republican Party to start.
00:40:05.000You know what the other thing, Tom, when you're commiserating for the Democrats who are being led by monsters, and I mean Marxist monsters without question, and a puppet by the name of Biden who walks around without purpose or knowledge of where he is or where he's going or where he's being.
00:40:25.340It's so clear, and no one talks about, is this not maybe just a little dangerous for a superpower to have an inept, clearly impaired old man wandering the White House thinking that he is king of the world?
00:41:24.960I mean, who is going to stand up for America in this country when we commiserate with the damn Democrats who are the most evil political party in the history of this country?
00:41:38.740I mean, they're trying to destroy the country, are they not?
00:41:42.340Well, certainly, again, I don't want to get too partisan here.
00:43:14.100We are the subject of more disinformation campaigns in this country from our own damn government than we are from either China or from Russia or Iran.
00:43:40.320They're the ones who they're trying to fool.
00:43:42.400They're the ones who they're trying to game.
00:43:44.920And in the case of the Russia disinformation, which continues to this day, they're still talking about it, Lou.
00:43:50.920They haven't moved away from it at all.
00:43:54.560They haven't moved away from it at all.
00:43:57.220I mean, this is – it's our discussions about Ukraine.
00:44:01.120It's like if you are skeptical of anything related to Russia and the Ukraine – and, you know, I think Russia's invasion of Ukraine was outrageous.
00:44:10.480But, you know, now it's like unless you're willing to go and fight in Ukraine for Russia, you're Trump – you know, you're part of the Trump conspiracy.
00:44:51.340At the same time, we've got – and, by the way, that would be – Putin said very clearly it would be an active war to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
00:45:04.080And then we have Chris Kuhn sitting on Face the Nation this weekend who managed to secularize the holiest day for all of Christianity so that he could cry out for the people who've been killed in Ukraine.
00:45:22.340And that is a foundation to send our troops to Ukraine.
00:45:27.360It was outrageous, and there was not a single response, reaction, from Margaret Brennan, the host of the broadcast.
00:45:37.720He had just insulted Christians by saying that Easter is the day where we celebrate the human spirit and grieve for the victims of COVID.
00:46:28.600Well, you know, I'm thinking about the, you know, the Kunz's of the world.
00:46:32.080You know, this is the establishment that gave us the Ukraine invasion.
00:46:35.500You know, they're the ones who misapprehended what the Russians were capable of, what their goals were, what they would react to.
00:46:44.100They misapprehended the strength of the Ukraine people in responding to an invasion, which meant that they didn't provide the necessary weaponry and supplies that they could have supplied early on.
00:46:56.180And even as the war continued and it looks like, oh, what little they were giving them was having an impact.
00:47:02.580You would have thought that they were, you know, being asked to dig into their own pockets personally as they were handing out material and supplies to the Ukrainians.
00:47:14.300It's like this rhetoric that suggests that Russia is the worst thing since Hitler, while this lack of action to confront it.
00:47:23.960So it's this moral preening combined with weakness that gets people killed.
00:47:29.400And my view is if you if it's in the national security interest of of the United States for Russia to lose in Ukraine, which I believe it is.
00:47:38.540Then you would you would be taking different steps doesn't mean deploying troops, but you wouldn't months after the fact start sending in weaponry.
00:47:47.120You should have been sending in months before the fact.
00:48:19.280And the only issue is who is it that benefits from pulling their strings in the direction they have because their agenda is to without an exception, a Marxist agenda, destructive of everything American energy independence, destructive of our public education system and supportive of our Marxist radical dem set of teachers unions.
00:48:44.760And it's we are it's just we're under assault from within.
00:48:52.080And when we have Republicans lining up with the left to go after to to put our troops in Ukraine, it is sickening to me that they would risk a single human life to do so.
00:49:07.600Their responsibilities are of a different nature, support the Ukrainians who proved themselves to be great fighters, committed patriots to their land, and we should support them.
00:49:19.760We should not put a single American life at risk.
00:49:25.680If NATO wants to put troops in, that's another story, but it better be European and the Europeans better show they actually care who their next door neighbor is, because right now, Ukraine, its fate is highly questionable, don't you think?
00:49:43.300Well, I think it's going to be a long war because the corrupt class that runs our country doesn't want Russia to win, but it doesn't want it to lose.
00:49:54.920And so what we're going to have, it's going to be Syria.
00:49:58.940It's it's truly a sad, tragic, and deadly dangerous moment in our history.
00:50:06.340And Tom, I have to say, I've enjoyed our conversation.
00:50:09.160We always give our guests the last word, take it away.
00:50:14.180You know, I appreciate the ability to discuss this, Luke, because, you know, we do this day to day late breaking news all the time, you know, but between your experience and my experience, I mean, we talk to some of the decision makers here.
00:50:25.000We've seen it up close and it's a nightmare here in Washington, D.C.
00:50:28.960And the reason we're so animated and so fearful for the future of our country, because we were seeing what goes on for real behind the scenes.
00:50:38.040And it's worse than anyone's worst conspiracy theory.
00:50:41.120You know, the truth is often worse than what you fear.
00:50:43.860And the truth is this country is being run, run into the ground by an elite class that's antagonistic to the American way.