The Great America Show - April 23, 2022


THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE—BUT OFTEN WORSE THAN WHAT YOU FEAR


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Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the ongoing case against Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene and her challenge to her re-election in Georgia's 6th congressional district.

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00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:04.820 As you know, we're all about the American way and truth and justice for all.
00:00:09.640 Right now, in Atlanta, there's an injustice.
00:00:13.340 There's a hearing underway challenging Marjorie Taylor Greene's re-election candidacy
00:00:19.120 because a handful of voters in her congressional district, 0.87
00:00:22.980 which she won by an almost 50% margin in 2020,
00:00:27.280 who, with the able help of Soros-funded group called Free Speech for People,
00:00:33.660 claimed she encouraged and supported Capitol rioters on January 6th.
00:00:39.220 An Obama-appointed judge ruled that the case had to move forward,
00:00:43.320 even though two other similar challenges against Congressman Jim Banks and Madison Cawthorn were dismissed.
00:00:50.740 The leftist-inspired challenge, not only based on a ridiculous and novel interpretation 0.70
00:00:57.060 of the 14th Amendment, they're purely theatrical nonsense. 0.97
00:01:01.600 But such is the Marxist left, and there seems to be no penalty for their nonsense.
00:01:07.380 Our guest tonight is very familiar with the Marxist left in this country and all that they do,
00:01:14.200 and in particular, the role they play in leaving our borders wide open,
00:01:18.000 a Justice Department that is hard left, defying daily the Constitution and the law.
00:01:24.400 Our guest is Tom Fitton.
00:01:26.660 He's the president of Judicial Watch, one of the most important government watchdog organizations in America.
00:01:33.740 Tom, it's great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show.
00:01:38.120 Hey, Lou, good to be with you again. Thanks for having me.
00:01:40.780 Well, we're delighted, and we're delighted with the work that Judicial Watch does.
00:01:46.280 I know you're doing a lot of things on the election, in addition to your always expanding portfolio,
00:01:53.000 but the election's now about six months away.
00:01:56.540 This is critical.
00:01:57.940 Tell us the latest on Judicial Watch and the initiatives you have underway.
00:02:03.280 You know, one of the key aspects that the left has been focused on have been the alleged horrible
00:02:07.960 gerrymanders by Republicans, which I've been skeptical of largely,
00:02:11.440 although not completely because, you know, Republicans aren't perfect either.
00:02:15.780 But one of the worst gerrymanders, which is kind of the jiggering of congressional seats
00:02:20.120 in order to help the party running it, was in Maryland.
00:02:23.920 And Maryland had a gerrymander that was roundly criticized by both, frankly, Democrats and Republicans.
00:02:31.140 But it didn't stop the supermajority of Democrats in the legislature from shoveling it through.
00:02:39.380 And we challenged it in court on behalf of voters in every district in Maryland, and we won.
00:02:46.020 The court said it was an extreme partisan gerrymander under the Maryland Constitution.
00:02:52.100 And they went back to the drawing board and came up with a better map.
00:02:54.960 It was remarkable in the sense that we got a victory.
00:02:59.200 It was straightforward, and now we get to move on.
00:03:03.520 Well, thank you for your success and a critically important success,
00:03:08.500 because we're headed toward what we hope will not be a rerun of the rigged election of 2020.
00:03:16.520 Let me ask you for your – I want to say one other thing before we move beyond gerrymandering
00:03:22.200 and the work you're doing on districts.
00:03:26.040 In Florida, it's my understanding that DeSantis has succeeded in drawing new lines,
00:03:33.660 which eliminated – let me put it another way – gave the Republicans four more districts,
00:03:39.200 in point of fact, and thereby has closed with those in Maryland.
00:03:44.640 The Judicial Watch succeeded at the one – the four in Florida.
00:03:51.200 This means that the two parties are exactly equal now nationwide in advantage.
00:03:59.720 Your thoughts?
00:04:01.020 Well, you know, in many ways, isn't that the way it should be?
00:04:03.840 You know, the parties game the system a little bit.
00:04:06.520 You know, it's not illegal to engage in, quote, gerrymandering per se.
00:04:10.900 But when you abuse the system and, you know, for instance, in Maryland,
00:04:15.420 they had, I think, 35 percent of the voters are Republicans,
00:04:19.600 and they came up with a gerrymander that gave essentially one district to the Republicans.
00:04:25.700 You know, that obviously wasn't fair.
00:04:27.480 And now the left likes to pretend that Republicans are gerrymandering maps based on race,
00:04:33.860 and sometimes that's true.
00:04:35.040 In Florida, they had a district in the northern area of Florida, you may recall,
00:04:40.020 that kind of cut across the top of the state.
00:04:43.620 And I think it was very narrow and long across the top of the state.
00:04:47.540 And our experts said, you know, that's not right.
00:04:50.080 And DeSantis said it's not right.
00:04:51.760 And he had to fight Republicans on it.
00:04:53.800 Because, as you might imagine, keeping certain voters in certain districts
00:04:58.860 can benefit both parties sometimes, right?
00:05:02.500 Right.
00:05:02.960 And both parties seek that advantage.
00:05:06.460 Right, right.
00:05:07.380 And sometimes it's based on race, and that's certainly not right.
00:05:10.380 So, you know, we don't want, generally, politicians getting to pick the voters.
00:05:16.320 It should be the other way around. 0.96
00:05:18.580 And, you know, just quickly before you move on, I know you want to talk about other topics.
00:05:23.800 But we had this big settlement in North Carolina, or we ended a lawsuit after North Carolina,
00:05:29.060 on a related issue, cleaned up over 425,000 names from their list after we sued.
00:05:37.460 So, you know, there you've got significant, more clean election lists in Florida,
00:05:42.840 thanks to a Judicial Watch federal lawsuit.
00:05:44.540 Other lawsuits are ongoing and more are coming.
00:05:47.160 So, this is what I was long way of saying, I'm still worried about the future elections.
00:05:53.660 Our lists are dirty.
00:05:55.640 The left hates election integrity measures.
00:05:59.000 And so they'll take any, you know, to me, they're going to try to take advantage of the rule changes from 2020
00:06:06.080 to try to game and rig the system again.
00:06:09.760 So, your judgment on how well, and I'm talking now, because Republicans were the victims of the rigged election
00:06:20.000 constructed by the Democrats in 2020. 0.97
00:06:23.900 Now, every fool in the country can argue with me about it being a rigged election. 0.98
00:06:27.640 They can argue until, you know, whatever freezes over. 0.98
00:06:33.220 But the fact of the matter is, that's what it was in at least five states, and I think in quite a few more.
00:06:40.640 So, what I also see is an indolent RNC that is not energized, animated, about changing the 2020 changes
00:06:53.040 back to a sensible election day system across the country.
00:06:59.740 Expanding drop boxes, expanding absentee ballot deadlines. 0.98
00:07:04.300 This idiocy has to be removed, I think, before the election. 0.95
00:07:08.960 So far, I don't know that that is the effort or the initiative of the Republican Party. 0.99
00:07:15.760 Your thoughts?
00:07:17.080 Well, you know, I think in some states, they've made some advancements there.
00:07:21.860 Georgia has not been perfect, far from it.
00:07:24.180 But even their weak reforms have been attacked by the left.
00:07:27.760 Texas had more significant reforms.
00:07:30.160 But I agree.
00:07:31.160 For instance, we've kind of codified in too many states, even though we've added some security measures,
00:07:36.220 the vote-by-mail menace, which is, in my view, the very opposite of fairly administered elections
00:07:44.740 in terms of undermining confidence.
00:07:46.840 If everyone's getting ballots in the mail, you don't know how those ballots are being handled.
00:07:51.960 And it just invites, increases opportunities for fraud that undermine confidence in the system.
00:07:57.920 You know, it's not so much, and the left pretends that you have to prove fraud
00:08:02.080 in order to be concerned about election administration.
00:08:05.660 No, you don't.
00:08:06.520 You need to highlight the fact, and quite fairly, that if elections are run with virtually no security
00:08:12.600 measures that anyone can rely upon, why should we trust the results?
00:08:16.500 Yeah, if there is no system of election integrity, there is a system of potential fraud.
00:08:26.640 It's that straightforward.
00:08:28.860 And by the way, that's even become the law as interpreted and practiced by the Justice Department
00:08:35.040 when it goes out seeking consent decrees and when it resists as a body voter identification
00:08:42.840 and talks about discrimination and the result of having to have a photograph. 0.97
00:08:48.920 I mean, the Justice Department is itself an inland sea of idiocy when it comes to election law 0.98
00:08:58.100 and election integrity. 0.99
00:09:01.300 I just don't understand how this cannot be fixed and now.
00:09:06.800 Well, this Justice Department isn't going to do anything.
00:09:09.180 It's controlled by the radical left.
00:09:12.320 Arguably, it was controlled by the radical left during the Trump administration,
00:09:15.920 and the attorney generals didn't really kind of comprehend that or get their heads around it.
00:09:21.420 So instead of enforcing election laws, for instance, you know, we're talking about cleaning up the election list.
00:09:27.600 We know it's a national problem.
00:09:29.360 We know the states aren't doing the basic steps to clean up the rolls as federal law requires.
00:09:33.720 We also know the Justice Department has zero interest in enforcing the law.
00:09:37.360 So we're coming in to do it.
00:09:39.560 And in the case of states that are trying to take steps to have stricter regulation of vote in order to secure them better,
00:09:48.160 you have the Justice Department coming in and challenging them.
00:09:51.400 For instance, in Texas, you know, this voter ID issue.
00:09:54.500 I mean, the Justice Department has taken the position that voter IDs to be challenged all the time.
00:09:58.980 So, you know, it's a battle tooth and nail for clean and fair elections.
00:10:04.960 And in my view, Lou, is like the long game here, if not the medium game, is for the left to end elections.
00:10:11.740 They don't like elections.
00:10:13.620 You know, it's just like they pretend to like the First Amendment, but in the end, they really don't.
00:10:17.840 And they prefer to make themselves immune from it.
00:10:21.120 So they're doing the same with elections.
00:10:23.080 The First Amendment, the Second Amendment, they don't like much or anything.
00:10:28.440 I mean, we could go through the list.
00:10:30.500 The Bill of Rights is an annoyance overall to the left.
00:10:34.540 When we examine, not even closely, but examine cursorily what is happening in the country,
00:10:43.580 we're looking at a border that's wide open.
00:10:46.540 Illegal immigration is soaring as it never has in our history before.
00:10:51.180 We have a president who is getting away with dropping Title 42, which means an end to the remain in Mexico to immediate expulsion to home countries and to Mexico. 0.73
00:11:05.140 The odds are that, so say the border security groups, $600,000 a month.
00:11:15.240 You know, that works out to about $7 million a year on top of the $2.5 to $3.5 million already coming through.
00:11:25.580 We're looking at changing this nation fundamentally in the course of about 36 months, aren't we?
00:11:31.760 Yeah, Lou, I mean, you highlight the significant consequences of this invasion in the long term.
00:11:39.040 And, of course, you've got the short-term issue of the public health, which is what Title 42 is about, national security, just basic crime,
00:11:50.780 and human trafficking, and human trafficking, and, of course, the cartels, which are chiefly concerned with moving drugs across the border.
00:12:02.300 And they control the southern border, certainly the Mexican side.
00:12:06.260 And they're the dog that wags the tail on our side.
00:12:11.260 I mean, Chris Farrell, who you know, Chris, my colleague, he runs our investigations team.
00:12:16.820 He was just down on the border, and he learned over the last year there had been 9,000 documented drone overflights by the cartels of U.S. border operations.
00:12:29.740 So we're pacing a paramilitary organization with bureaucrats, more or less.
00:12:36.960 I mean, God bless the ICE and CBP, but they're not equipped to deal with this and respond to it.
00:12:43.500 And then, of course, we're relying on the poor sheriffs and local law enforcement in the states to come up and clean up the mess,
00:12:50.280 because the feds can't take care of all these people. 0.97
00:12:52.740 So it's the states that need to do it, or end up doing it, or the local sheriffs.
00:12:59.160 This is what I would think.
00:13:00.420 You know, look, we've got an invasion.
00:13:02.900 The federal government's abandoned its constitutional duty to protect those states from invasion.
00:13:09.040 And the Constitution specifically allows for compacts, without approval by Congress, for situations such as this.
00:13:18.060 The states can get together and secure their borders.
00:13:20.840 And that's what they should do.
00:13:22.780 Yeah, and they have, under the Constitution, a right to, if indeed this is successfully labeled an invasion by whatever definition,
00:13:37.020 when you're talking about people crossing your border by millions, without authorization, they are invading. 0.65
00:13:43.500 Even though Greg Abbott in Texas is not responding specifically to that issue in the Constitution, he is doing something on his own.
00:13:52.780 No, it isn't.
00:13:53.660 And he's a little late to the game on this, as usual, because he's, you know, he's that type of Republican.
00:14:00.380 But, you know, but the steps he took, for instance, in interdicting trucks, I mean, that's the sort of escalation in creative thinking that we need on the border.
00:14:09.620 But we've got to think of ways to protect, I mean, if I were a governor, I would be desperate to think of everything and anything I could do to protect their citizens, certainly in the border region.
00:14:20.340 And, of course, you know, it's Oklahoma, it's Arkansas, you know, DeSantis, you know, we, you know, with such an East Coast approach, immigration policy is so East Coast, right?
00:14:32.340 Because we, because we're here in the district or Maryland and New York, it might as well be happening in Timbuktu.
00:14:40.180 Right.
00:14:41.460 But this border region is a lot closer to a lot more people than just Texas.
00:14:46.920 So when you hear noises in Alabama and Florida and Arkansas and Mississippi and Louisiana and Oklahoma and just north of Arizona and such, you're, you know, this is not, it's a hop, skip and a jump.
00:15:00.280 And, and, and of course, you know, they're flying people straight into white planes. 0.62
00:15:04.420 So, but what New York has largely lost in terms of their ability to do with any internal immigration enforcement, because the local politicians are aiding and abetting it just as badly as the Biden administration is.
00:15:17.200 Oh, absolutely.
00:15:18.440 I mean, New York is the people's Republic of New York that make no, uh, make no, uh, uh, you know, mistake about it.
00:15:27.500 Folks, New York is a, is, is left wing.
00:15:31.140 Uh, I think this is true.
00:15:33.260 Uh, every bit is, uh, left wing, uh, is Illinois, uh, perhaps not California, but, uh, very left wing and headed in all the wrong ways and directions.
00:15:47.200 Oh, I want to go back to what you said about those 9,000 drone flights, surveilling law enforcement down in, uh, Texas that Chris Farrell discovered, but we haven't heard anything about that.
00:15:58.260 And what has been the risk, the response of the border patrol, uh, DAA and other agencies operating down there under the surveillance of the cartels?
00:16:08.580 Well, I mean, if the administration were serious about enforcement, they'd be, uh, counter counter, um, you know, programming, I guess, you know,
00:16:16.800 if they'd be countervailing it, how about shooting them out of the air?
00:16:20.740 Yeah.
00:16:21.080 Well, you know, if they're, well, I don't know technically how feasible, um, or what is the feasible response to it, but you can bet they're not even thinking about it.
00:16:30.780 I mean, my guess is the agents on the ground, it's just another fact of life they have to deal with.
00:16:37.040 I mean, they know exactly what's happening.
00:16:39.140 The drone goes over there.
00:16:40.520 They see where the border patrol is.
00:16:43.060 So they just move their people to somewhere else. 0.60
00:16:46.160 Right.
00:16:46.560 And, and, and there, by the way, I, you know, all of the nonsense and the bull, uh, who's it?
00:16:51.600 Mike McCall, when he was chairman of the Homeland Security Committee was all excited about, uh, sensors and every rhino you hear will be talking to you about sensors and surveillance and drones.
00:17:03.300 And yeah, but, uh, you know, yabba, yabba, uh, meanwhile, the only people using technology are the bad guys.
00:17:10.140 They've been pulled back so far from the border, millions of people, every, in Biden's first year, 2 million illegal immigrants across the border.
00:17:20.680 I love it.
00:17:20.980 They rack that up as an encounter with the border patrol and 1.6 million of them.
00:17:26.300 According to Mark Morgan, the former commissioner of customs and border protection, 1.6 million were released by the Biden administration into this country without so much as a howdy do.
00:17:38.900 Well, those are the ones that are caught.
00:17:40.780 I mean, the getaways or the gotaways are, uh, an exponential factor of those who are interdicted and let out, as you point out, uh, essentially not turned back as it is.
00:17:51.660 So, uh, you know, it's a free for all.
00:17:54.140 And of course, you know, these aliens and the drug cartels that smuggle them in aren't going to stop as long as there's no consequence or no effective, uh, protection of, of our sovereignty there.
00:18:06.240 And so, you know, to me, uh, this is an eminently impeachable offense.
00:18:10.400 The fact that Republicans aren't talking about it, there are a few good ones that are doing it.
00:18:14.020 I mean, there's a, a harder core group than there used to be in the house.
00:18:17.760 Uh, some of our friends have gone a little bit soft, but McCarthy is afraid of impeachment.
00:18:22.400 Certainly Mitch McConnell's never going to countenance impeachment.
00:18:25.820 Uh, but you know, if, if the rule of law and our nation's sovereignty means anything, and, uh, what would it mean to allow a president to knowingly aid in a bet and, and help foreign nationals enter the country illegally and then move them around the country.
00:18:40.600 So they're able to settle, um, with tax dollars.
00:18:43.560 Yeah.
00:18:44.060 If that's not impeachable, I don't know what would be.
00:18:46.020 Well, you know, what would be with a rhino, nothing, both, both names that you've just mentioned, Mitch McConnell and Kevin McCarthy, and they are pushing McCarthy hard to be the speaker of the house.
00:18:59.060 If this red wave election comes to pass, uh, and you know, what's going to happen.
00:19:04.560 Not a thing.
00:19:06.240 McCarthy is a rhino and an establishment tool to the bone.
00:19:10.860 He's never been anything else.
00:19:12.640 He is straight in the lineage of, uh, John Boehner, uh, to Paul Ryan, to Kevin McCarthy.
00:19:20.860 Uh, it's all the same tree.
00:19:22.900 It's all the same sap. 1.00
00:19:24.580 Uh, it's just, it's pathetic. 0.96
00:19:28.340 And the Republicans fear upsetting the apple cart, or if you will, uh, making a splash with the wave, uh, because they don't want to do anything to lose and playing to lose is the perfect way for the Republican party to always snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. 0.92
00:19:45.860 Don't you think?
00:19:47.220 Yeah.
00:19:47.680 I mean, you know, the day, uh, yeah, I should say the danger is, uh, you know, Republicans will probably win in November, at least on the house because the politics are such that they, they would, they would, they would have to work hard to lose.
00:20:00.180 Uh, but you know, the question is, what are they going to do with the house victory?
00:20:04.760 And is it going to be more of the same where, uh, Republicans tell conservative voters should put them in?
00:20:11.300 Oh no, we can't do anything now.
00:20:12.940 We have to wait for 2024.
00:20:14.780 Well, the Republicans are going to create a third party.
00:20:18.480 If they screw this up this year, a third party will arise so powerful and so quickly that their heads will spin.
00:20:28.040 And then we'll see what happens to the Republican party and all the creeps that run it. 0.99
00:20:33.420 I mean, we've, we've reached a level.
00:20:36.140 I hope of intolerance in this country, uh, of this kind of incompetence, this kind of, uh, shallow, uh, talentless, uh, leaders.
00:20:46.760 Do 70 people say the country's headed in the wrong direction.
00:20:50.380 You know, the Republicans think they think that's all about Joe Biden.
00:20:53.800 No, that's about Mitch McConnell as well.
00:20:56.120 It's about Kevin McCarthy.
00:20:57.520 It's about Ronna McDaniel.
00:20:59.220 Uh, you know, the democratic national committee, uh, is under indictment right now.
00:21:06.320 Uh, and that's about the only, only way in which you could say that the Republican national committee is somehow better than the DNC.
00:21:15.900 What do you think?
00:21:18.140 Yeah.
00:21:18.860 You know, I try to avoid the, the party analysis is, uh, running a seat like judicial watch does.
00:21:25.880 But, you know, my experience is that, uh, you know, as a citizen and an observer of DC is that there's a disconnect between the current Republican leadership or much of the current Republican leadership and, uh, the voters to put them in office.
00:21:41.000 And as long as that disconnect continues, unless there's either, unless the leadership starts reflecting the values of the people who put them in office, it's, it's going to be trying times for folks like you and me, Lou.
00:21:53.340 Yeah, I, I'm afraid.
00:21:55.040 So I'm, I'm afraid.
00:21:56.640 So I'm frightened of the prospects for this country right now, because we are putting up with a man who takes orders from a bunny on an Easter roll.
00:22:06.260 I mean, what in the hell are we doing?
00:22:10.920 And we, and people chortle about it.
00:22:13.460 They laugh about it.
00:22:14.420 And this man is the president of the United States.
00:22:18.800 And he has at his side and absolutely equally incompetent in app and, uh, devoid of any apparent knowledge, Kamala Harris, the vice president, the Republican party, at least put up known tried leaders.
00:22:37.680 And the Democratic party should absolutely be indicted, impeached, whatever it takes for their failure to put up decent leadership, decent people who have intelligence, talent, and some gift to run a government.
00:22:55.480 I, it's incredible that we are tolerating this nonsense. 0.96
00:22:59.580 Uh, it's just disgusting. 0.99
00:23:02.120 Your thoughts. 0.67
00:23:03.220 Well, the challenge on, uh, for the Democrats is that they, uh, have the corrupt corporatist wing of which Biden is the representative.
00:23:11.760 And then they have the rising communist wing, right?
00:23:14.220 The AOCs and the radicals like Elizabeth Warren.
00:23:18.360 Uh, and then, you know, and, and Clinton is, uh, you know, tries, tries to, uh, keep both, uh, feet in both, uh, camps as well.
00:23:27.820 You know, my view is Biden's got significant political problems in that regard.
00:23:31.680 He has little moral, um, claim on the presidency.
00:23:35.820 Half the country reject it, rejects it because of the compromise 2020 elections.
00:23:40.720 And on top of that, uh, you've got this corruption crisis that Biden, uh, the media is helping, helping him with, but they're whistling past the graveyard on it.
00:23:50.140 I mean, it wasn't just the Easter punny who came to town in, uh, Washington this week at the white house.
00:23:57.360 It was Hunter Biden.
00:23:58.480 He showed up.
00:23:59.420 This is a man who's under criminal investigation for bribery, money laundering, um, foreign agent violations, uh, and, you know, tax fraud.
00:24:11.000 And he's shows, and he, he shows his face at the white house, uh, you know, and with little now it's, it's, it's, it's the president's son.
00:24:21.060 Is that surprising?
00:24:21.940 No, but what is surprising the yawn from the corrupt media, uh, that would have went apoplectic.
00:24:28.640 If it was a similarly situated conservative slash Republican, uh, president.
00:24:34.640 Amazing.
00:24:35.500 Amazing.
00:24:36.020 Uh, and when you talk about Hunter Biden, the laptop, the, the question becomes, uh, when you talk about the investigation that the U S attorney in Delaware has been carrying on, think about this.
00:24:51.460 You're a man, uh, of, uh, of many investigations, uh, with great experience.
00:24:57.480 Have you ever heard of the justice department taking four years, four years to investigate corruption, uh, felonious behavior on the part of, uh, significant public figures, or is this just another case of what I think the justice department has become a burial ground for truth?
00:25:19.520 You know, there's a little bit of irony here, Lou.
00:25:21.200 I think the Biden investigation was shut down during the Trump administration and somehow got going during the Biden administration bar shut it down during the campaign.
00:25:31.720 He made it clear.
00:25:32.220 He didn't want anything done substantially.
00:25:33.640 And then Biden came in and the justice department had no choice, but to proceed because everyone knew they had the Hunter laptop.
00:25:40.360 The problem with the justice department is, um, because.
00:25:45.040 You've got Garland, who's a federal judge and he kind of, and he kind of knows what the rules are.
00:25:49.740 So, you know, that's a problem for the radicals in the justice department and the rules of the justice department are that there are special counsel be appointed.
00:25:57.420 When there's a conflict of interest, there's obviously a conflict of interest with investigating Hunter, especially since some of the crimes implicate Joe Biden.
00:26:06.280 In the least, he's a witness.
00:26:08.240 Uh, frankly, he should be a target.
00:26:10.000 And in those circumstances, there has to be a special counsel.
00:26:13.300 And, you know, uh, I don't know what type of job this, uh, this, uh, this person's doing in Delaware, but I do know that a special counsel is necessary, irrespective.
00:26:24.120 Of, of, uh, what the D what they're doing, because that's what we were told for years under Trump.
00:26:29.680 You can't have the president being investigated by his own justice department.
00:26:33.880 We use special counsel.
00:26:35.280 Uh, let's talk about William Barr, the American people, because the corporatist elitist media, uh, leftist media will not focus on what Barr has already admitted.
00:26:49.140 He admitted that he knew that a presidential candidate was lying about the laptop and about his role with that laptop in a presidential debate in front of millions and millions of people, tens of millions, uh, because he didn't want to intervene in a, an election.
00:27:09.040 Tom, what do you make of that?
00:27:11.100 Why, what would you think that an attorney general, the chief law enforcement officer in the country, what was he afraid of?
00:27:19.700 Was he afraid of intervening in an election or was he afraid that his buddies down at the university club or whichever one he belongs to in Washington would chide him for supporting Donald Trump, who is just happens to be the president of the United States.
00:27:36.220 Well, you know, that's the pretend justice department rule out there, right?
00:27:40.120 Lou, that they don't intervene in elections, which of course is not what the rule ought to be.
00:27:44.860 If you're fairly administering justice, you don't let elections keep you from doing an investigation.
00:27:50.440 You don't time investigations to elections.
00:27:53.640 And when you refuse to intervene because of an election, that's putting your thumb on the scale the opposite way, just as much as intervening because of an election to advance an electoral process.
00:28:07.920 So this is why, again, Barr failed to understand what is, in my view, what his responsibilities were, which was to make sure the law would be pursued irrespective of politics.
00:28:19.520 And obviously, you don't say, hey, let's time an indictment to the week before an election like Lawrence Welsh did.
00:28:27.180 Remember, the special counsel on Iran-Contra who helped put Bill Clinton in office.
00:28:34.760 So, by the way, just so the audience knows, Walsh intervened on the final Friday before the election of 1992.
00:28:47.200 That's how clear it was.
00:28:49.520 He indicted Cap Weinberger, who was a secretary of defense for Reagan, and implicated and suggested that George Bush, who was running for re-election, had done something wrong the Friday before the election.
00:29:04.600 Yeah, yeah.
00:29:05.740 And here you had, in the summer before the election, Barr refusing to allow investigations into the president's son to go forward.
00:29:14.400 So, but that's, you know, it's not even a question.
00:29:19.900 I mean, first of all, the other side has no rules, and then we follow rules that make no sense.
00:29:24.320 So it's not even.
00:29:27.160 It's true.
00:29:28.160 It's absolutely true.
00:29:29.420 And then Barr, who President Trump correctly and succinctly stated is a weak man.
00:29:39.540 That's who we're talking about, but that's the man he put in that job.
00:29:43.820 And what I still don't understand are the number of people who work in Washington, who live in Washington, Tom, who will say when I criticize Barr because, A, he didn't get anything done.
00:29:55.800 B, he chickened out what he should have been at his bravest and most courageous.
00:29:59.960 He did not investigate an election that I don't care what his basis was for saying it was a perfect election.
00:30:08.960 It was not.
00:30:10.740 And he knew that.
00:30:12.060 He had to know what was going on all the way around, 360 degrees.
00:30:17.460 And he didn't allow his FBI, his Justice Department to investigate what were clear irregularities, anomalies, and use of private funds to drive at the cost of hundreds of millions of dollars the Democratic vote in five Wisconsin, five of Wisconsin's largest cities, for example.
00:30:42.760 That doesn't even include Georgia and Arizona and Nevada and Pennsylvania.
00:30:48.020 But anyway.
00:30:49.480 I disagree with Trump.
00:30:51.200 I don't think Barr was weak.
00:30:52.680 I think he was stubborn and quite strong when it came to just doing what he wanted to do, irrespective of what the law and the facts and history might require of him.
00:31:02.180 By the way.
00:31:02.780 There's a certain consistency that he does what he wanted to do.
00:31:06.160 For instance, he was insistent on getting rid of Mueller.
00:31:08.700 I mean, it was clear he wanted to shut that down.
00:31:10.520 He wasn't weak then.
00:31:11.440 But when he decides he doesn't want to do something or he decides it's not in the best interest of the institution of the Justice Department as he sees it, he's not going to decede to any other interpretation, including the interpretation of the president, who's, in my view, whose orders, as long as they're lawful, should be followed.
00:31:31.400 Absolutely.
00:31:32.140 He is the president.
00:31:33.060 And this idea that somehow the Justice Department and the FBI are independent agencies, independent of responsibility to the president of the United States, the chief executive.
00:31:44.160 Where in the heck did they come up with that rule?
00:31:47.820 And because, and by the way, they didn't have a, they didn't hesitate.
00:31:51.240 They didn't hesitate when the president's people under Barack Obama decided they would start concocting nonsense and creating a dossier and a faux Russian collusion conspiracy to stop Donald Trump as a candidate, then overthrow him as a president, get him impeached twice.
00:32:18.300 I mean, it goes on and on, and now January 6th, Tom, this is seven years of political persecution and outrageous, outrageous criminal conspiracy on the part of the Democratic Party, 0.75
00:32:32.120 the Obama administration's intelligence chiefs, and throughout the FBI, rancid, pervasive, disgusting, appalling corruption worthy of a cartel, a Mexican drug cartel.
00:32:50.060 Well, I mean, what we're seeing is like the operation, practically speaking, and I know it's not literally speaking, but practically you have a one-party state apparatus targeting its opposition.
00:33:01.300 It doesn't mean that political opponents don't rise to high office like the presidency or, you know, the Senate is split and there are significant numbers of Republicans in the House,
00:33:11.720 but you have this one-party state apparatus trying to target, jail, spy on its political opponents.
00:33:19.120 And they're doing it from the highest to the lowest, from President Trump to, you know, some volunteer who wanted to be an alternate slate,
00:33:32.500 an alternate member of an electoral slate that would compete with the slate that was under disputed in states like Wisconsin and elsewhere.
00:33:42.660 There's nothing too petty that there's nothing too petty that they won't target.
00:33:46.660 Look at the way some of these January 6th defendants have been treated.
00:33:50.820 Look, we had a woman killed in the Capitol for no good reason, Ashley Babbitt. 0.97
00:33:56.940 Right.
00:33:57.600 And it's been a big yawn. 0.97
00:34:00.500 So, look, they don't care if you get killed.
00:34:03.800 They don't care about your rights.
00:34:05.840 That's how awful this crowd is.
00:34:07.960 Yeah. 0.99
00:34:08.100 They are awful. 0.91
00:34:09.920 And the American people are tolerating it. 0.91
00:34:12.840 You know, they're being told everything's just fine.
00:34:15.240 You know, the Democrats are patting people on the head.
00:34:19.240 They know that they've got, and I've got to name names and groups.
00:34:22.820 I mean, the African-American vote in this country is tied to the Democratic Party beyond all reason or rationality. 0.89
00:34:30.260 What the Democratic Party has done to that socioeconomic racial group is appalling.
00:34:41.060 And Donald Trump said, what have you got to lose?
00:34:43.380 And he was right.
00:34:44.420 What do you have to lose?
00:34:46.140 And what they have become is a reliable vote for corruption, absolutely un-American attacks on our very institutions that preserve freedom and liberty for us as citizens.
00:34:59.880 And through the Marxism that is the hallmark of every major initiative by this White House and corporate America now and every, it seems, every nonprofit in the country, an effort to destroy the family, to destroy American values of decency and life itself.
00:35:27.200 It's horrible.
00:35:28.760 It's a horrific moment in time because we should be more worried, absolutely, about China than we are Russia. 0.50
00:35:38.100 But we should not for one moment think that the dangers, the threats, are any less from within.
00:35:46.400 Again, this is at least the same level, the extremists within our society on the left who mean to destroy us are at the same level as communist China's external threat, don't you think?
00:36:02.200 Well, I mean, it's this transnational extremist left, and they're operating in China.
00:36:08.720 They're operating, yes, in Russia.
00:36:10.940 You know, the irony of the Ukraine-Russia situation is I'm just waiting for the worm to turn, where all of a sudden for the left, it's the Ukrainians that need to be attacked and opposed while the Russians need to be supported. 0.84
00:36:24.400 I mean, every position politically of the extreme left in this country is purely tactical and short-term and unprincipled.
00:36:32.360 And when you're seeking to destroy the nation, undo our government, act in, and I don't call it unconstitutional, anti-constitutional ways, you're doing it that it's this transnational left. 0.59
00:36:50.200 They all have the same approach, and there's different flavors of it, the Chinese communist flavor, the Russian strongman flavor, the internationalist flavor in Europe, and, of course, the AOC-type flavor here in the United States.
00:37:05.960 But they're all drinking from the same fountain of anti-Americanism, communism, Marxism, as you point out, that it would be so destructive to the American way of life.
00:37:17.300 Yeah. And destructive of the family is the fundamental foundation of the American dream and the American middle class. 0.90
00:37:30.180 It's just a moment where we were making considerable progress, building a middle class, African-Americans joining that middle class, Hispanics joining that middle class.
00:37:43.380 The decision was made somewhere along the way by the Democratic Party, that that is just a little too comfortable and a little too close for their liking.
00:37:52.440 And they have swung hard left, Marxist left, and are encouraging not only universities and professors and teachers unions, but also Wall Street and corporate America to join them in the Marxist binge that could just simply overturn our foundational institutions and values.
00:38:18.140 No, it's a clear and present danger.
00:38:48.120 People say they want higher taxes, they want to preserve Social Security, the typical debates we have, but it's gone from, oh, we want higher taxes to we want to confiscate the wealth of Americans by name.
00:38:59.860 It's now a tenet of this party to target sex talk at school children by teachers.
00:39:08.760 It's now a tenet of this party.
00:39:11.880 And it used not to be a tenet because there were pro-life Republican Democrats to support abortion throughout the entire nine months of pregnancy and beyond paid for with tax dollars.
00:39:22.920 So this extremism is, you know, I worry about the Republicans, but I also worry about the Democrats, because there are tens of millions of Democrats who deserve better representation for their liberal values, as opposed to the left wing values that the leadership is now advocating for.
00:39:44.480 Well, Tom, why not let them become Republicans?
00:39:47.460 Well, the Democrats are, you know, what they deserve to be.
00:39:52.720 Their leadership deserves to be in jail.
00:39:55.180 I knew that was going to get you, Lou.
00:39:57.380 Oh, it got me.
00:39:58.420 It got me because we need in this party, the Republican Party to start.
00:40:05.000 You know what the other thing, Tom, when you're commiserating for the Democrats who are being led by monsters, and I mean Marxist monsters without question, and a puppet by the name of Biden who walks around without purpose or knowledge of where he is or where he's going or where he's being. 0.78
00:40:25.340 It's so clear, and no one talks about, is this not maybe just a little dangerous for a superpower to have an inept, clearly impaired old man wandering the White House thinking that he is king of the world? 0.94
00:40:41.660 Isn't that a little problem?
00:40:43.300 And isn't it another problem when the rest of the world thinks that he thinks he's the king of the world?
00:40:49.900 It's frightening to the bone, is it not?
00:40:53.260 Well, certainly that would be part of Putin's calculations when he was considering whether to invade Ukraine.
00:41:00.460 I mean, A, he knew there.
00:41:01.380 I'm only surprised he didn't invade the United States. 1.00
00:41:03.980 We look helpless and foolish and ignorant. 1.00
00:41:07.020 I mean, we look bizarre to the world. 0.98
00:41:10.460 Why would you not just simply march the Russian army through, you know, the canyon of heroes?
00:41:17.460 Who's going to stop them?
00:41:19.140 That's right.
00:41:19.700 The Democrats say they won't fight no matter what.
00:41:22.780 Even if we're invaded by Russia. 0.99
00:41:24.960 I mean, who is going to stand up for America in this country when we commiserate with the damn Democrats who are the most evil political party in the history of this country? 0.99
00:41:38.740 I mean, they're trying to destroy the country, are they not? 0.99
00:41:42.340 Well, certainly, again, I don't want to get too partisan here.
00:41:46.100 I don't want you to be partisan.
00:41:47.800 Just honest.
00:41:48.600 I'll let you be the partisan.
00:41:50.480 I'll be the partisan.
00:41:51.440 I'm trying to find that the leadership of our parties is corrupted.
00:41:54.740 The Democrats, as you point out, they've got this destructive leftism that is animating.
00:42:03.900 You know, that is the energy behind their party right now, right?
00:42:06.940 It is.
00:42:07.520 And that's very dangerous to the country.
00:42:08.740 And it used to not be that way.
00:42:11.820 I mean, it used to be that crowd was kept in a corner or up in the attic and trotted out at an academic conference or two.
00:42:19.640 Now they've given the keys to the car.
00:42:23.000 And as you highlight, it's extremely dangerous and it has worldwide consequences.
00:42:27.080 And, you know, you've got the cognitive challenges of Biden that obviously everyone sees except American news media.
00:42:33.780 And then, B, the ethical consequences, the ethical challenges.
00:42:38.220 When Putin is calculating, he sees a corrupt, weak American presidency.
00:42:45.320 And how does he know it's corrupt?
00:42:46.740 Because he knows because it was his gang that was giving him money.
00:42:51.500 Yeah.
00:42:52.100 Yeah.
00:42:52.380 And lying about it all the while, saying they were giving – and here's the only place they had that right.
00:42:58.320 It is Russian disinformation.
00:43:00.960 Putin wanted Hillary Clinton to be president.
00:43:03.940 But the disinformation was actually coming from the intelligence organizations to the American people.
00:43:11.100 We get more disinformation campaigns. 0.96
00:43:14.100 We are the subject of more disinformation campaigns in this country from our own damn government than we are from either China or from Russia or Iran. 0.98
00:43:25.080 Are we not? 0.99
00:43:27.360 Yes.
00:43:27.960 And the intelligence community, who do you think the chief market for the disinformation campaigns are if you're a foreign adversary?
00:43:34.880 Not the people.
00:43:36.380 Your enemies running the government.
00:43:38.260 Your intelligence establishments.
00:43:40.320 They're the ones who they're trying to fool.
00:43:42.400 They're the ones who they're trying to game.
00:43:44.920 And in the case of the Russia disinformation, which continues to this day, they're still talking about it, Lou.
00:43:50.920 They haven't moved away from it at all.
00:43:54.560 They haven't moved away from it at all.
00:43:57.220 I mean, this is – it's our discussions about Ukraine.
00:44:01.120 It's like if you are skeptical of anything related to Russia and the Ukraine – and, you know, I think Russia's invasion of Ukraine was outrageous.
00:44:10.480 But, you know, now it's like unless you're willing to go and fight in Ukraine for Russia, you're Trump – you know, you're part of the Trump conspiracy.
00:44:19.940 It's crazy.
00:44:21.560 Well, I'd rather be –
00:44:22.640 I see more Ukrainian flags now than American flags on Twitter.
00:44:26.380 We actually had 40 Republican senators sign a letter demanding – basically – not basically, demanding a no-fly zone be established.
00:44:39.320 Forty Republican senators.
00:44:41.180 And, by the way, that's all the usual suspects and a dozen rational human beings.
00:44:48.720 But that's it.
00:44:49.960 Forty of them.
00:44:51.340 At the same time, we've got – and, by the way, that would be – Putin said very clearly it would be an active war to establish a no-fly zone over Ukraine.
00:45:02.880 And he would be right.
00:45:04.080 And then we have Chris Kuhn sitting on Face the Nation this weekend who managed to secularize the holiest day for all of Christianity so that he could cry out for the people who've been killed in Ukraine.
00:45:22.340 And that is a foundation to send our troops to Ukraine.
00:45:27.360 It was outrageous, and there was not a single response, reaction, from Margaret Brennan, the host of the broadcast.
00:45:37.720 He had just insulted Christians by saying that Easter is the day where we celebrate the human spirit and grieve for the victims of COVID.
00:45:48.600 I mean, what?
00:45:50.120 What in the world?
00:45:51.220 Who decided to define Easter in those terms?
00:45:54.640 It is the day of resurrection.
00:45:56.620 It is the day in which we receive forgiveness for our sins and those of us who believe in Jesus Christ's eternal life.
00:46:07.340 And for that to happen on corporatist media, flagrantly secularizing our holiday, do that to Muslims.
00:46:18.460 Do that to Islam and see what happens. 1.00
00:46:22.060 But from us, nothing.
00:46:23.800 And it's already today.
00:46:27.220 Unbelievable.
00:46:28.600 Well, you know, I'm thinking about the, you know, the Kunz's of the world. 1.00
00:46:32.080 You know, this is the establishment that gave us the Ukraine invasion. 0.99
00:46:35.500 You know, they're the ones who misapprehended what the Russians were capable of, what their goals were, what they would react to.
00:46:44.100 They misapprehended the strength of the Ukraine people in responding to an invasion, which meant that they didn't provide the necessary weaponry and supplies that they could have supplied early on.
00:46:56.180 And even as the war continued and it looks like, oh, what little they were giving them was having an impact.
00:47:02.580 You would have thought that they were, you know, being asked to dig into their own pockets personally as they were handing out material and supplies to the Ukrainians.
00:47:11.620 So it's like the worst of all worlds.
00:47:14.300 It's like this rhetoric that suggests that Russia is the worst thing since Hitler, while this lack of action to confront it.
00:47:23.960 So it's this moral preening combined with weakness that gets people killed.
00:47:29.400 And my view is if you if it's in the national security interest of of the United States for Russia to lose in Ukraine, which I believe it is. 0.64
00:47:38.540 Then you would you would be taking different steps doesn't mean deploying troops, but you wouldn't months after the fact start sending in weaponry.
00:47:47.120 You should have been sending in months before the fact.
00:47:49.940 Yes.
00:47:50.420 And no one's being held accountable for them failing to apprehend what was going.
00:47:54.760 Trillions of dollars have been spent on a national security establishment to stop a war in Europe.
00:47:59.960 And we have one.
00:48:01.460 Yeah.
00:48:01.660 Where's the accountability for that, Lou?
00:48:03.720 Well, again, accountability.
00:48:06.440 We we don't want to admit that this is the White House.
00:48:12.840 Now is its inhabitants are evil. 1.00
00:48:15.940 They're inept. 1.00
00:48:17.020 They're impaired. 1.00
00:48:18.100 And they're puppets.
00:48:19.280 And the only issue is who is it that benefits from pulling their strings in the direction they have because their agenda is to without an exception, a Marxist agenda, destructive of everything American energy independence, destructive of our public education system and supportive of our Marxist radical dem set of teachers unions.
00:48:44.760 And it's we are it's just we're under assault from within.
00:48:49.460 We're under assault from without. 1.00
00:48:52.080 And when we have Republicans lining up with the left to go after to to put our troops in Ukraine, it is sickening to me that they would risk a single human life to do so.
00:49:07.600 Their responsibilities are of a different nature, support the Ukrainians who proved themselves to be great fighters, committed patriots to their land, and we should support them.
00:49:19.760 We should not put a single American life at risk.
00:49:25.680 If NATO wants to put troops in, that's another story, but it better be European and the Europeans better show they actually care who their next door neighbor is, because right now, Ukraine, its fate is highly questionable, don't you think?
00:49:43.300 Well, I think it's going to be a long war because the corrupt class that runs our country doesn't want Russia to win, but it doesn't want it to lose.
00:49:53.960 Yeah.
00:49:54.920 And so what we're going to have, it's going to be Syria. 0.98
00:49:58.940 It's it's truly a sad, tragic, and deadly dangerous moment in our history.
00:50:06.340 And Tom, I have to say, I've enjoyed our conversation.
00:50:09.160 We always give our guests the last word, take it away.
00:50:14.180 You know, I appreciate the ability to discuss this, Luke, because, you know, we do this day to day late breaking news all the time, you know, but between your experience and my experience, I mean, we talk to some of the decision makers here.
00:50:25.000 We've seen it up close and it's a nightmare here in Washington, D.C.
00:50:28.960 And the reason we're so animated and so fearful for the future of our country, because we were seeing what goes on for real behind the scenes.
00:50:38.040 And it's worse than anyone's worst conspiracy theory.
00:50:41.120 You know, the truth is often worse than what you fear.
00:50:43.860 And the truth is this country is being run, run into the ground by an elite class that's antagonistic to the American way.
00:50:54.860 And it's a dangerous time.
00:50:56.960 And that's why we're upset.
00:50:57.980 Well, well said.
00:51:01.000 And Tom Fitton is the great leader of the Judicial Watch and does so much for all that is America and American.
00:51:10.820 Thank you so much, Tom Fitton, president of Judicial Watch.
00:51:14.660 Thank you, Lou.
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