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Sen. Lindsey Graham says there is no "smoking gun" to prove that Joe Biden conspired with a shell company to enrich himself and his family. Is this evidence enough to impeach the most corrupt President in the history of this country?
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show, and it's great to have
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you with us. I want to start with, if I may, this make-believe world that the Marxist
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Dems have created for us in this country, and going along with them, the military-industrial
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complex. I suppose that's because the military-industrial complex wants to push their business and push
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this country into every conflict imaginable. And of course, we know Joe Biden is willing to go
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along with that plan. And one of the people I want to talk about today is none other than neocon
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rhino Lindsey Graham. He was on Meet the Press. I don't know if you caught him or not, but it was
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quite a spectacular performance. He was on Meet the Press, and he was asked about the Biden impeachment
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inquiry. Senator Graham says, are you ready? There's no smoking gun there. He says he's more
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worried about working with President Biden on the Middle East than impeaching the most corrupt
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president in the history of this country. I kid you not. Here he is.
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You know, I haven't really been paying that much attention to it. They have to prove that President
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Biden somehow financially benefited from the business enterprises of Hunter Biden. We'll see.
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If there were a smoking gun, I think we'd be talking about it. But, you know, the narrative
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that Hunter Biden presented is falling apart. The idea that Joe Biden knew nothing about the
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business dealings falling apart. I'm not worried about impeaching the president right now. You know
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what I'm worried about? Helping the president bring the Mideast to a better spot, trying to convince
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the Arabs and the Israelis to not let Iran get you off track, give Israel the space to destroy Hamas.
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I'm trying to find a way forward to secure a broken border before we're attacked. That's what I'm more
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worried about. Who is this guy? Well, I'm not sure we really want to know who he really is.
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Graham wasn't the only rhino on weekend television, though, of course, defending the puppet president.
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Can you believe this? The idea that we have two Republican senators on television on a Sunday and they're both
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defending Biden. Senator Mark Wayne Mullen of Oklahoma drinking exactly the same Kool-Aid as Graham and to what
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purpose. Let's think about that later. Here is what Mark Wayne Mullen had to say about Biden and what he did
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as vice president. He says it's not impeachable. Let's listen to his reasoning.
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One thing that we've asked for during this impeachment inquiry that the House will send us a solid case.
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Listen, the inquiry doesn't mean that they're going to impeach the president. All that means is they have
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access to the records the White House and the Biden family hasn't been given us. Remember, when this
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investigation first started, it was the Biden family did nothing wrong. Now they're starting to say
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that Joe Biden didn't do anything wrong. They're saying that Hunter Biden's business deals aren't
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attached to President Biden. When we know they are, there was over 50 shell companies and there's
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numerous bank records that we've been able to get from Hunter Biden. But every time we've tried to get
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something from the White House on Joe Biden, the DOJ, which is ran by obviously Joe Biden, has said
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that without an impeachment inquiry, they're not obligated to give it to us. So once we start this
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process, the one thing that the Republican senators have told the House, which is what we've told the
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House, is give us an airtight case because we don't want to play politics with impeaching a president
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like the Democrats did with Trump. So if they send us a case, make sure it's convictable. And the bar is
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real high. There's no question about it. It's got to be a misdemeanor, high crime or treason. And the
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other bar has to be committed while he was in office, the current office he holds. So what he did
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as a vice president, what he did in between the two may not be impeachable. With these two senators
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in the Republican Party, we understand clearly what is wrong with the Republican Party. There were a bunch
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of these guys and way too many of them. And speaking of Marxist Dems, they're about the same thing as
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RINOs. President Barack Obama fears Joe Biden could lose the White House next year. Wow, that according
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to the Wall Street Journal. Their report says Obama knows this is going to be a close race in 2024.
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And he feels that Democrats very well could lose the 2024 election. Now, that is interesting because he
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goes on to say, of course, the alternative, i.e. Donald Trump, is pretty dangerous for democracy.
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Obama is a man who should know about being dangerous to democracy. I wonder if he thought
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it was dangerous for democracy when Obama illegally spied on the Trump campaign in 2016, or if it was a
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threat to democracy when Obama and his Marxist Dems planted a fake collusion story about Russia.
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Well, there it is. I think that was pretty dangerous to democracy, and particularly as they were trying
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to overthrow a president. Obama is, in my opinion, a sick puppy. And I'm almost sure that the FISA 702
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program that Speaker Johnson just reinstated, well, the Marxist Dems will be more than willing to do it
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all over again. Our guest today has great insight into all of this. He's former National Security
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Agency, Senior Intelligence Agency, and whistleblower Russ Tice. And Russ, it's great to have you back
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with us. Let's begin with the Section 702 of the FISA Act that was just reauthorized. What do you make
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of what's happening? The privacy rights of American citizens have been just dismissed on Capitol Hill.
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Your thoughts? Well, ultimately, 702 is, I think there's like three different elements involved here.
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One wants to limit the capabilities of the intelligence services and the, basically, the mass production
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of intelligence that involves American citizens. Another element wants to expire, and I kind of, I'm kind of in
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with that group. And then the third, they're the staunch supporters of the bill, and they want to enhance it.
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And not only that, but they want to make it so that it's indestructible. So it looks like that they're going to put it
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into the National Defense Authorization Act and kick it down the road for a few months.
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I believe that at some point, it has to be addressed, but we can tell who basically is controlled by the
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intelligence services, by who's supporting this thing. Even the ones that are kind of hedging, and
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you know, ultimately, I think someone's being controlled.
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Well, I think a lot of people are being controlled, Russ. I couldn't agree with you more.
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And to that point, as Chairman Mike Turner of the House Intelligence Committee, I mean, the man has
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everything but a sandwich board as he walks around the House of Representatives advertising that he
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doesn't care about citizens' rights to privacy, that he is a complete and utter, in my opinion,
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sellout to the intelligence agencies. The question, as Rand Paul would say, is,
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why not just get a warrant? If you suspect someone of some nefarious act, get a warrant, and you can do
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all these things under a warrant, just like any other criminal act. Ultimately, what's happening
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here is they're accessing a database, which is, it's still everything. And there's no responsibility,
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there's no interpretation of this from the intelligence community as to how it's being interpreted
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as to what is collection, what is surveillance, and ultimately, what is in action on that.
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The NSA is still collecting everything, word for word, and they're not telling us that. In many cases,
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the FBI is getting their hands on this stuff, and then they're just, they're going on fishing
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expeditions, or they're going on expeditions where they're just looking for dirt on someone
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who's targeted. And then from there, they build a case after the fact. Our judicial system is not
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supposed to work that way. No, it isn't supposed to work that way. But the judicial system has its own
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levels of corruption, as well as the intelligence community, as well as the FBI, the Department of
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Justice. I mean, everywhere we turn, we're looking at outright corruption in the Biden regime.
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And it didn't start with the Biden regime, we should be clear. I mean, it's been there for a long time.
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It's just been built to incredible levels under this puppet president who is impaired and compromised
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himself. Congress is moving forward with this bill. What astonishes me is that the NSA, as you say,
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has all of these records, all communications, so long as they're digital.
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And we hear the Secret Service say they can't find something. They can't turn it over because they
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lost it. Whether it's visitor logs, whether it's text messages from their agents, whatever it may be on,
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for example, January 6. Why do people not want to acknowledge that the NSA has all of this material?
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And it's, if you will, it's not what its intended purpose is, of course. But why not bring that
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material up from the NSA and provide it to the American public and certainly to the Congress and
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the Senate? Well, that would expose the lie, wouldn't it? The NSA saying that, you know,
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before it was just metadata, which was also a lie because they were targeting people. But once they
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had the capability, and this happened around the end of 2012 into very early 2013, especially when
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they brought that facility up in Utah, the database storage facility there, that that's when they had
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the capability to collect and store everything. Now, that doesn't mean that they look, you don't have
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enough analysts to look at it. I mean, we're literally talking about word for word for everything
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that's said in this country. So little Jenny in junior high school talking to Joanie about how
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cute Johnny is, is not something that too many people care about, but it's still recorded there.
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So if they expose the fact that they're collecting everything, then it exposes the lie that they are
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still doing mass collection. It's the interpretation that's the key. They're saying that they're not doing
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surveillance because they're not looking at it. They're only storing it, or actually collecting
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it and running it through filters and then storing it in the big warehouse. So that's the problem.
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Even under when we had Section 215 under the Patriot Act, they would not give an interpretation of how
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they were using that as far as collection. Even way back in the executive order after Reagan, once the
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Bushes got in, the executive order 1-2-3-3-3, how they were alternating that as far as their interpretation.
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So basically, they're bastardizing and mutating all these things to configure as to how they want
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to use them. And they're not telling us that. And another thing, there's no pushback. So the FISA,
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the FISA, and that leads to, oh my goodness, could you imagine where they could do something like this
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and they could literally use it to go after a president of the United States? Oh, wait a minute,
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they did, didn't they? They did. There's no pushback. They did. And there's a lot of pushing going on,
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maybe not pushback, but a lot of pushing and shoving. And it's all coming from the government
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toward American citizens. We're talking with Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the NSA
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and whistleblower. We're coming right back. Stay with us. You don't want to miss any of this conversation.
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So we're back now talking with Russ Tice. And Russ, let's, you're talking about NSA has everything.
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One of the things that I would like to see are all those, what was it, 33,000 Hillary Clinton emails.
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I'd like to see that. And I don't understand why we can't. They say it's because it's lost,
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but we know it's not lost because it's, it's stored somewhere in an NSA server.
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Well, it would expose the lie that they're not doing it. And second of all, it would take away
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their means of control. Because right now, when you have, when you can go to Hillary Clinton and say,
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by the way, we have all that stuff, regardless of what, how you smash it up with hammers and,
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and, and, and grinders and how, you know what, and then run it through all the, the different
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systems to wipe, uh, you know, uh, the, uh, the slates, bleach bid, whatever it was, uh,
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that they still have it. So, so we, we now own you, Hillary Clinton, and, and we own all,
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all, all, all the supporters and the vestiges of your empire. So, um, which is part of the deep state.
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So once again, when it comes to those, uh, those bills that, uh, send money our way to the
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intelligence community, y'all better just, uh, stand in line and salute and make sure that that
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cash keeps coming. So we're not only a surveillance state now, we are a surveillance state that is
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suffocating, uh, its citizens with that, uh, surveillance. And it's your view, and this is
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important for everyone to hear. It's your view that there is not a single thing that the
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intelligence agencies are doing with section 702 that couldn't be done with a judge and a warrant.
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Is that correct? That's absolutely correct. But, you know, but, but okay, it means that you won't
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have the ability to go back into the past and dig up the last 10, 15 years of what said target of what
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investigation is going to be. But the whole concept of the constitution is that you have to have
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probable cause to believe that there's a crime. And then you can go and take someone's right to
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privacy away. You know, you just don't do it, uh, beforehand and then start digging afterwards
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because that could potentially lead to abuse. And if the information's there, it's just so tempting
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for any politician to go, you know, I want to find out what my, um, adversary is doing here or
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there or whatever, and just start digging into that, that pile. And the intelligence community
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will say, well, we'll, we'll, we'll let you dig into the pile, but you owe us. And that's kind of
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the way I think it's working. Is it yours view? That's not only are people being controlled,
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but they're being blackmailed. And, uh, we can't, uh, we can't just easily accept, uh, the,
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the political motivations for what these two political parties are doing.
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Absolutely. And it's both parties, it's both sides. So, um, oh gee, you know, uh, seven years ago,
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I had a little, little fling with, uh, with my, uh, my intern, um, uh, or, or, you know,
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I took some land deal that, uh, some sweetheart land deal that does very questionable or, or,
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you know, I took, uh, I don't know, uh, uh, a foreign country sent me some gold bars that I
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put in my jacket or something. I slipped away into my, uh, my, my safe in my house or, or whatever
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the case may be. You know, we're talking about some people and, and, uh, they're on Capitol Hill
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that, um, that, um, there aren't the most, you know, I, I, every time I hear honorable, when I see these
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names, I just kind of, I have to smirk because there's not a whole lot of honor with most of
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these reprobates. Um, it's, it's kind of funny because I think they all have dirt and, and,
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and they know that the, that the intelligence community, um, knows where their closets are
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and can put the, put the flashlight in there and see what's going on.
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The filing of special counsel, Jack Smith included in the filing, uh, the,
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the, the suggestion that, uh, they have, uh, phone, cell phone recordings of the president,
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uh, on January six and plans to use them at trial. Uh, is that normal that they would be,
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uh, surveilling the president of the United States?
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Of course not. I mean, this is the president of the United States has to be able to conduct
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his job in confidence with, with his, uh, attorneys, his, his representatives, his lieutenants
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to get their, their, uh, opinion on certain things. Um, and you know, that's, that's sort of like the,
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the, you know, how the sausage is made. And then ultimately, you know, the, the sausage tastes pretty
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good once you cook it up, but you know, they're just looking at digging into the,
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you know, whatever dirt they can find. And, and, you know, so Lord forbid somebody says,
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well, well, how can we do this? Well, we could, you know, this measure, this measure,
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some of those measures might be, you know, unethical, some might be pretty nasty. And,
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you know, and the president ultimately would say, well, we can't do that because, you know,
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that would be, um, you know, something that, uh, that is, uh, capricious or, or what have you.
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You never personally yourself saw anything that even suggested that, that NSA was
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surveilling the president of the United States. No, I never saw, uh, I, I personally saw they were,
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they were surveilling the secretary of state and I saw they were sick. They were, uh, and that back
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then that was Colin Powell that I personally saw and that they were, they were personally surveilling,
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uh, uh, uh, a four-star general, the general, um, Shiseki, um, and, uh, and a whole lot of other
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folks and they were, they were, uh, surveilling the, uh, of all play of all things, the, um, and this
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was personal, uh, that I saw then later on, I saw stuff that my, my friends were showing me,
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but, uh, from literally what I was getting from, from, from my space side, um, the, uh, uh,
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the representative in the white house, uh, Bush's own guy, the, um, oh, the, uh, the press secretary
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at the time, McClellan, McClellan, whatever his name was. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's the guy.
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So the other, they had their own guy that they're, they were gone after. So maybe they thought he was
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being disloyal or something. I don't know. But, uh, then, then once, once I got in touch with my
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friends that were, they were dealing with the terrestrial side, which means, um, uh, microwaves
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and, um, fiber optics, which is by the way, most of the communications, how it works, you know, domestically.
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Then we realized this thing was explosive and it was, it was Congress. It was the Supreme Court. It was
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the FISA court. It was lawyers. And it was all kinds of important people and NGOs and the press
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and, and, uh, a crazy, just all kinds of, a bunch of, a bunch of numbers from, uh, from South
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California. You're saying that it was targeted surveillance. It wasn't quote unquote metadata
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that had just been sloshing around. That's correct. Back then. See, back in those days,
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NSA didn't have the capability to get everything. So, so they, what they were collecting most all
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metadata. And then from that, I believe they were using that as like a card, uh, file.
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And then they were going after, um, specific individuals, uh, uh, that, uh, you know,
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they were targeted. So once they targeted someone, then they would, they would collect everything,
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but they couldn't get everything. We're talking with Russ Tice. We're going to be right back.
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We're back now with Russ Tice. Now comes another letter, uh, 46, uh, names on it of Intel veterans
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saying that the 702 has to be, uh, has to be affirmed, passed through law. And, uh, you know,
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devil take the hindmost when it comes to any kind of reform, don't touch it. It'll spoil, uh, everything
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that we do in national security, your reaction, uh, to, to that. Well, uh, the, this is the deep
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state, you know, these are the, uh, um, the, the creatures of the deep space, the deep state and
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swamp. Um, so of course, and, and, and their power base. So this is, Lord forbid that, uh, you know,
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you take away their ability to control people. Uh, and, and they'd like to say that, oh my goodness,
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that because they've been in the business that the, that, uh, this, this is so esoteric that the
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common man and the common congressman can't understand the, the, uh, the intricacies of,
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of how important this is. And, and that, oh, by the way, that we are just so, we are just so, um, omniscient
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that, uh, that, that you must believe us because, you know, when ultimately they're, they're the ones
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that are, that are using this to their own benefit and, uh, to the detriment of our own, um, of civil
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liberties. It's just remarkable to me that we are in a position where we have watched the political
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persecution of a president. And, and remember when they talked about the insurrection, talking about
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January 6th, uh, we all know that the actual insurrection, the attempt to overthrow a president
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began with the, uh, wiretapping as it was styled then of president Trump and all that he endured
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since. Uh, so we have a projection by the Marxist stems and the, uh, uh, the deep state that somehow
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the Republicans, uh, the MAGA, uh, Republicans, as Joe Biden calls them, uh, we're carrying out some
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sort of, uh, uh, insurrection on January 6th when in point of fact, they've been carrying out a form
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of insurrection, rebellion, uh, and an abject disloyalty, uh, since, uh, since 2016. Certainly
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we know that for a fact, uh, your reaction. Well, president Trump, he was, he was a problem. Um,
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Obama was not a problem because he, he, he didn't have his own wealth. He didn't,
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he wasn't a businessman. He, I think he was still paying off his like college loans at the time or
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something. So, so he was, you put a, use a carrot and a stick. So you say, look, we're going to make
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you fed, uh, famously wealthy and you're going to be famous too. But, but if you don't listen,
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we have this stick and we have this dirt on you. So, but president, president Trump could not be
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controlled. He, he, he, he's made his own money and, you know, in the business world, um, you know,
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he's lived in a glass house his entire life. So, and, and any of his, uh, discretions that he's ever
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had, have, have been put out there and he's basically been forgiven for, for, for some of
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those, for all of that. Not by the deep state and not by the Marxist Dems, Russ. They, they mean to
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put the man in jail, uh, they mean to, to crush him, uh, without any question whatsoever.
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Because once he's back in there and I, I, I even told my wife when he first became president,
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I said, I said, this man has no idea what he's up against, but I think he does now. So he knows,
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he knows where, and where the alligators are in the swamp. And he knows that the snakes were,
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were, were riding up his leg and putting their fangs in him the whole time he was in office.
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And this time I think he's going to clean the house and, and, and I just, I'm, I'm there for
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the trumpet, just, uh, you know, the cheering him on. Well, we're, we're all cheering, but I don't know
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what many of us can do. We've become something else already, uh, than America. What is your sense
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that he can count on the permanent bureaucracy, particularly in the intelligence community
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Well, there, there is an awful lot of people in this, in, at NSA in particular, that, uh,
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that they saw what was happening, but they, even this, the, the, the, my, my own friends,
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they were feeding me some of this information, even after I was, you know, under the gun
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and they're, they're all afraid because they have mortgages. They have, you know, kids going to,
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to private schools. They have taken care of an elderly, a parent, they, you know,
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all these things that they know. And they just say, look what happened to you, Russ, you know,
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okay, I'll feed you a little information, but, but we're not going in that cave with you to
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fight that dragon. You know, we'll help you put the armor on.
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Is there a way you see that these agencies could be reformed, uh, and, and straightened out,
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Some are a lost cause. I think the FBI is a lost cause. That has to be, that has to be
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literally burned down and rebuilt or, or, or disseminated into other elements. But the,
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the intelligence service, we need accountability. We need to go in and all the SCS, the senior
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executive service need to be fired immediately. And then you need to bring people up. I mean,
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there, there are people that are whistleblowers like the, the, the, the guy in the Marine Corps and
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the IRS and, and a couple FBI guys. And there are people out there, but, uh, you have to be
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able to take the people that have done this and you have to make them accountable for the crimes
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they've committed. Otherwise the, the people, even after they say, Mr. Trump is in for four
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years, he gets out. Then you have the whole thing coming right back because people go,
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I wasn't held accountable before. I'm just going to keep doing this.
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Until someone sees someone sees a general doing a pert walk or the director of an agency doing a
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pert work and behind bars for two or three years, that until that accountability is there,
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this is going to keep happening. Thanks everybody for being with us today. Our guest tomorrow will be
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Jake Lang. He's a J six prisoner. He's been in prison for three years. He is in solitary confinement,
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and we'll be talking to him from his jail cell. I think you'll want to hear every word this man has
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to say. His is a remarkable story. And this is just part of what is a national disgrace that we
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have these hundreds of political prisoners still in jail and many like Jake Lang still without trial.
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Please join us and please join us each and every day on the great America show. Thanks everybody.