This is the INVESTIGATION that America has been waiting for!
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The Great American Show's John McLaughlin and Lou Dobbs discuss the latest on Iran's nuclear program, cyber attacks on the United States, the 2020 election, and much, much more. The Great American show is hosted by John Rocha ( ) and is brought to you by the National Post and the Wall Street Journal.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great American Show.
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I hope you guys are all ready for the weekend as much as I am.
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Let's get to some news before we break off into that weekend and have a drink.
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Earlier this afternoon, talks started between foreign ministers from Britain, France, Germany,
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as well as some other European Union foreign policy chiefs in Geneva.
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America was not present at the meeting, as Donald Trump has now given Iran two weeks to get their act together,
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two weeks to come to the table, and two weeks for them to decide to give up their nuclear weapons.
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Now, it's being reported by Reuters that Iran is possibly open to negotiating some of their uranium enrichment,
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some that's already been enriched, and some that, I guess, is set to be enriched.
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They're open to that, but they are saying that they're not open to any talks with America until the bombs from Israel stop.
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Now, Israel's doubled down and says they have all the capabilities to take out whatever they need to take out.
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They don't seem really interested in any talks.
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So the ball is sort of in Iran's court on what they do if they decide to, you know, go further into this and launch.
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If they do have a nuclear weapon, you know, it's long been assumed that they do.
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We don't know definitively for sure if they do.
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It's all over the place on what they really are at.
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Whether they come to the table and make a deal or they continue to get lit up and possibly have their supreme leader assassinated, it's up to them.
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A former CIA hacker was on with Matt Gaetz over on OAN just the other night.
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And he says America is open to some vulnerabilities now from Iran.
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It may not be an attack, a missile, a nuclear weapon, but a cyber attack.
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Do you believe right now Iran is in the planning or execution stages of cyber attacks against the United States?
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I wish this wasn't the truth, but I believe within the next 30 days, you're going to see a massive cyber attack.
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On the physical front, with airplanes, weapons, there's no way they can compete with the United States and Israel.
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Remember, Stuxnet attacked their nuclear reactors.
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But when you're a victim of a cyber attack, you also get access to all the code.
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So they actually have all the code that was used to break into their nuclear reactor.
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They now took that and they can use that against us to break into our nuclear reactors.
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But anything is possible when you're dealing with the terrorist regime of Iran.
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So as I've said, the ball is now in Iran's court.
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Do they come to the table and make a deal and have world peace?
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Or do they continue to get annihilated and leveled?
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Here at home, it wasn't exactly a quiet Friday.
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President Trump woke up this morning and decided it's time to take a look at 2020.
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A lot of us have long, the great Lou Dobbs, our guest today, the great John McLaughlin,
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who's going to be joining us in just a few moments, one of the nation's leading pollsters,
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have long tried to figure out what exactly happened in 2020.
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I think Donald Trump really wants to know what happened in 2020.
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Anyone who associated himself with President Trump, anyone who dare spoke out and said the 2020 election
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was not legitimate, that there were irregularities.
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I was witnesses in two lawsuits from two election companies.
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The great Lou Dobbs was a victim of it all, all because we wanted answers to questions.
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It was questions like, why were there thousands of ballots being dumped off in the middle of the night?
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Why were ballots being transported from New York in the back of a USPS truck to Pennsylvania?
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But if you asked, if you dare spoke about it, you were sued.
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The great Lou Dobbs lost his show on Fox Business.
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So President Trump woke up this morning and put out the following message on Truth Social.
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Quote, zero border crossings for the month for Trump versus 60,000 for sleepy Joe Biden,
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a man who lost the 2020 presidential election by a landslide.
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Biden was grossly incompetent and the 2020 election was total fraud.
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This cannot be allowed to happen again in the United States of America.
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What this crooked man and his corrupt cronies have done to this country in four years
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So now we may finally just get those answers we've been looking for, pending the right people
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lead this investigation to figure out just exactly what went on.
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We are the land of the free because of the brave.
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We are a country of truth, justice, and an American way of life.
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Regardless of what the Democrats tell you, there's no dictators in this country.
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Donald Trump won three elections, in my opinion, at least.
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He left after the first one because of the irregularities and what the papers showed.
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He's going to leave in another three and a half years.
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And regardless of what people are saying, he's not going to run for re-election again.
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I want to get an idea of what's going on in this country.
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What the polls say, what the pulse is on this country, being that we're now in this war,
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What the American people think of Donald Trump's job.
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As I said, our guest today is going to be the great John McLaughlin,
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leading pollster, founder of McLaughlin and Associates.
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Joining us now is, as I promised, the great John McLaughlin.
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John, thank you for taking some time on a summer Friday.
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You know how hard it is to get people to work on a summer Friday, but you and I always seem to be working.
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And we're only enjoying this right now because President Trump won.
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And, you know, I saw you playing during the last campaign.
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And, you know, for some reason, God let Donald Trump win and we were along for the ride.
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You know, it's funny, Lou, the great Lou Dobbs put out, we wrote a closing remarks on his show one day.
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It's only made possible for because of Donald Trump.
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And, man, did Saturday Night Live, all of them picked it up and said they went crazy with it.
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Lou Dobbs says that weekends only happen because of Donald Trump.
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So you've got your new M&A poll out this month.
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Let's go through it, break it down a little bit.
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Where do Americans say we are right now in the country, John?
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Just a few weeks ago, months ago, we had the whole Elon Musk thing.
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And I'm like, all right, let's let this thing blow over a little bit.
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I'm like, OK, now we've got to let this blow over.
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But where do Americans think we're at right now with this administration?
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Well, we had a 40 percent right direction and a 52 wrong track.
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Now, consider in December, you know, even after the election through most of last year, while Bush was president, not Bush, sorry, Biden.
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But Biden, we had a 66 wrong track, 24 right direction.
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So now it's gone from where you had basically a 42 percent net negative direction.
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And so many friends like Mark Mitchell, you ever asked us for reports?
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And but since then, you've had, you know, the tensions in the Middle East.
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You've had Russia and Ukraine continuing their, you know, their war.
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And you've got the Federal Reserve that refuses to cut interest rates, even though the European central banks have cut interest rates and inflation rates have receded.
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They're not helping because they want to, you know, I think they're doing it to hurt Donald Trump because they know there's a midterm election.
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So you've got a lot of the president's enemies and our political opponents who are saying, let's stall them now because we can, you know, hopefully, you know, turn the House Democratic in the midterm of 26.
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And if they do that, they'll go back to open borders and high inflation and spending and debt.
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Impeachment, that'll be the first thing they do.
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We'll be right back there, fake investigations and censorship.
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And it'll just be, you know, it'll be it'll be a disaster.
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That's why Donald Trump is working so hard right now on so many problems.
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Like in that same poll that we have there, Biden has a 35 favorable, 60 unfair.
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He's left office and his numbers are still, you know, his unfair rules are going up.
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Even though he has prostate cancer, it's like the mess he left.
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We're lucky he didn't leave us with World War Three and a depression.
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He's trying to get us out of all these problems right now.
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So, so, so it's, it's, we, I mean, the president's agenda and, you know, in the, in the same poll,
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we've got, when we asked people, are we in a recession, only 38% said yes, 55% said no.
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That's the best result we've had since before COVID.
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And now, on the other hand, do they think the economy is going to get worse or better?
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Because Congress has not passed the, the tax cuts.
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And if we don't have a growing economy and people know that doesn't get done, they know
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we could slip into a recession again or even worse.
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So the Democrats, every Democrat in the House and Senate right now has voted against making
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Yeah, that means it's voted in favor of a four and a half trillion dollar tax hike where
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91% of all the, all the taxpayers will pay two to $3,000 more a year.
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And we can't afford that after four years of Biden inflation.
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The interesting thing about the word recession, John, I think it needs a new definition.
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The standard definition is two, two declining quarters of GDP, which we hadn't seen, I think
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since like just, I think during COVID was, was when we, we saw that the last time that
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happened and it's like tough because you ask somebody, are, you know, we're in a recession.
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Well, my indicators are far different than what the definition is.
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You know, when you go to the grocery store, you see what people are buying.
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I'll give you an example, John, I have a season Knicks tickets, right?
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So this past season, I've, you know, I'd put tickets for sale for cost.
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I mean, it gets excellent teams, John, in the playoffs coming up in the Eastern Conference
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and they were selling for like face value less than what face value was.
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You know, so when I see indicators like that, that's where I gauge, you know, I don't think
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you can necessarily look at two bad quarters of GDP and because there's so many different
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recessions you can have, you can have a housing recession, you can have a stock market.
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You can have a booming stock market and then have a housing collapse.
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So it's, you know, by the way, if you're unemployed or you can't afford to pay your bills or your
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So, so when we asked the voters last May, this is a year ago, are we in a recession?
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So the perception among voters is their own personal situation, right?
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So when your food bill has doubled from $200 to $400 a trip to the supermarket, when your
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utility bills are going up, when your mortgage rates are going up, when your, and your taxes
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are going up and inflation is still going high, you're in a recession.
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So technically your point, which is exactly right.
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These economists were saying, well, if you're not, if it's not two or three months or consecutive
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months of, uh, you know, negative GDP, I mean, yeah, that's a technical thing, but to the
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average voter, if, if they can't find work or they can't find a better paying job and
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they can't pay their bills, that's a recession.
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So, uh, so I think Donald Trump is, it's, he's making it better, but boy, there's a lot
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Every Democrat in the house and Senate doesn't want the economy to get better.
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Every, the Jerome Powell, the chairman of the federal reserve does not want the economy to
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Um, and, uh, the whole liberal establishment, the liberal media, they don't want the, they
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don't want the, uh, uh, economy to get better because if they do, we'll hold the house.
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That's what we did in 2002, when we ran the elections, we had a growing economy after 9
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11, uh, president Bush was, uh, was, was, you know, keeping the country together, united,
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And there was real fear of terrorism, but at the same time, underneath it, you had a growing
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economy because his tax cut went into effect the second quarter of the midterm elections.
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And we picked up two Senate seats in eight house seats and defied what the usual historic
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trend where you lose like 25 seats in the house, et cetera.
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But, uh, that's what Donald Trump is trying to do.
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He's trying to grow the economy so that we can keep making people's lives better and keep
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And the Democrat party and the liberal media establishment in the country oppose that.
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The thing that scares the heck out of me, and this is not going to fall, it's going to
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maybe fall on Donald Trump, but it's not his fault because of timing is John, you look
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And I heard Tucker Carlson mentioned the other day, people are financing their groceries because
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of, and it's not just because of the last five months that Donald Trump's been office.
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This is something that's, you know, the last four years, the last two years, uh, you know,
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I think it's going to come a time where this thing is going to collapse in the credit industry
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where people can't afford to pay their credit card bills because the money's not coming
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And by the way, the way people pay their bills now, because so much is done by, you know,
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PayPal and credit card and Apple wallet, et cetera, people, they don't carry cash.
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What they do is they take their card out and they charge it or they do Apple wallet or they
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And so at the end of the month, when the credit card comes due, what used to be 200, $300 a
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And there, there, you could have that kind of problem.
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So if you're a person who paid your bills and whether you went to college, especially if
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you didn't go to college, but if you, you went to college and you paid your student loans,
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the Biden administration had over a trillion dollars of unpaid student loans that they put
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on hold for five years that they asked every other taxpayer to pay the bill of that debt.
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And one of the big things that he and Linda McMahon have done with the Department of Education,
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Portland education is not built to collect student loans because they weren't, but they
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moved it to the chamber, to the Commerce Department.
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It was like 200, they spent over 250 billion a year.
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It's like, it's just, and your reading scores and math scores for American students have never
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It's like, they've spent trillions of dollars, you know, and it's just a place where Randy
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Weingarten and the teachers unions can put in people that have, you know, have a greater
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priority of building their labor union strength and supporting the Democrat Party than they
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They get sure that we're the best in the world in math and science and reading.
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Yeah, right now, those rankings, but that's a big change.
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So Linda and President, Linda McMahon and President Trump are trying to make sure that if the
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federal government's involved, you know, they're going to help the states educate our children.
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The number was, I just pulled it up here, 4,400 employees.
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I think it's 1,200 that are left after Trump did his hire, which is still too much in my opinion.
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This is according to the U.S. Department of Education.
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Nothing coming out of the government that we're really supposed to believe, right?
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So, you know, you brought something up interesting that I had written down here that I meant to
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And you had mentioned with the cancer diagnosis not going up.
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To me, that tells me, John, is that people are not having buyer's remorse with Donald Trump.
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This was taken as of, we were out of the field on May 15th.
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But it's like the war was, you know, Israel had gone back to the rain by then.
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If you voted for Donald Trump in the last election, last November, 93 to 4, they approve
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Even 13 percent of the Harris voters approve of the job that Trump's doing and 15 percent
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And, you know, you've so you've got he's got a rock solid base and he hasn't betrayed them.
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While I may not agree with everything that Donald Trump and the MAGA movement says he stands
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for, I think they are right about putting America and the American people first.
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63 percent of all voters, all voters agree with that.
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If you voted if you voted for Harris, 33 percent agreed with that.
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They you know, it's like we're not also in the same poll.
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And I'm going to do more of analysis about this.
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If you listen to conservative media outlets or, you know, versus the liberal ones, say,
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if you listen to Newsmax, Fox News, OAN, if you listen to if you watch your podcast and
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If you get in conservative talk radio, if you're in our right of center echo chamber, which is
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about a third of the electorate or maybe more, everything's great.
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If you're in the left of center, like three in 10 where MSNBC and CNN and PBS and NBR.
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If you're in that echo chamber, none of this is true.
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There was never an open border, you know, just separating families.
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I mean, if if you're in their echo chamber, you're like in denial and it's a world where
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You know, the crazy thing you just brought up and it just came to my mind, because I
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do know a few Marxist Dems myself and they don't like me.
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I mean, they were there were friends at one point, but they don't like me now.
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You know, if that's how pathetic you are and that's that's the general sentiment of the
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I had a friend whose family member passed away, John, and they were far leftists and they
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had family members who are on the right and they told the family members, don't even worry
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Because of political differences, it's a sickness in these people's heads.
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But you brought up, you know, the CNNs and the MSNBCs of the world.
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I don't even think these people who are far, far, far leftists get their news from there.
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It's a lot of people going on Facebook through these brainwashing pages.
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They get it from one of the is on Facebook, defend democracy or something like that.
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These people don't get news from legitimate news sources.
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I read every single morning, John, and I read for three hours before I go to bed every night
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and figure out what I'm talking about the next day.
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By the way, if you go to our website, mclaughlinonline.com, you will find the poll results I'm talking
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And we had the right of center cluster was 39 percent.
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But the interesting part is, you know, among the Trump voters, 52 percent, you know, pardon
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me, 61 percent are in that right of center cluster.
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But the ones who don't watch the news, it was it was up in the the the Harris voters, but
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40 percent, 42 percent among independents don't watch any news.
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But then we have on the next page, 65 percent of likely voters regularly use Facebooks, 56,
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YouTube, Instagram, 38, TikTok, 30, Pinterest, 20.
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And you can see people that go into their own echo chambers.
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To your point, your friends and family, that's the most important endorsement you can have.
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So. So. So, you know, your friends that listen to you and watch you and respect your views.
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When Elon Musk on X decided that, oh, right, him, they were going to not censor, right, not censor people.
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Then all of a sudden, you know, there was more freedom and there was more of a legitimate debate.
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And that's really important as far as, you know, getting your ideas out, because Donald Trump during the campaign, you know, we'd get bad coverage.
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Brent Bozell, the media researcher, would come out and say, ever since they picked Kamala Harris, you know, Trump got 89 percent or 92 percent negative coverage.
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But Kamala Harris got like over 80, over 90 percent positive coverage.
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But people, those are the mainstream broadcast networks, the legacy media, these cable channels.
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And and basically people weren't going to them anymore for information.
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They lost their credibility. And people were looking to their friends.
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And Donald Trump on social media, you know, although his truth brand, you know, they don't have bots, et cetera.
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Yeah. Yeah. If you want to know what Donald Trump is thinking or going to do or whatever, you go to truth and you look at it and it's right there.
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And and on the other hand, Trump supporters are on the Internet using social media where we basically communicate with our friends and family.
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Like we spent in the primary Nikki Haley had in South Carolina.
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I mean, Donald Trump, we beat her double digits in New Hampshire.
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But we were getting to our messages out on the Internet.
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We were getting our messages out on social media from friends to family.
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Well, if she's outspending us, how's all the money?
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I was like, just deploy the Kraken, send the Kraken down to have a rally and, you know, just send them to have a rally.
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And all of a sudden, all these people will show up.
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They'll send videos to their friends and family of Donald Trump and pictures.
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And it was, you know, basically, if you didn't cover Donald Trump and you didn't give him fair coverage, people are shutting you down.
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And that's why these media outlets and these news departments are going out of business.
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And further proof to what you've said, John, in 20.
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It was funny because I was talking with Roger Stone about this the other day.
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I do a little political consulting where, you know, I talk to people who are running for office and they always I want to get on TV.
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Yeah, you'll get your you know, your your your little fame minutes of fame, but it's not going to do you any good to get out there.
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And so what I was telling Roger, it's about grassroots.
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Everyone thought Donald the media thought he was a joke, that he wasn't really running.
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But it wasn't a joke to Donald Trump because he was in New Hampshire every week.
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You see, you just feel the and and he loves people.
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I'll go on for hours and you'll be like, we're going to miss the plane.
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You know, I saw somebody post something on Twitter the other day.
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And he was taking pictures of all every single time I've been in a room with Donald Trump.
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Before you leave the room, Donald Trump says to everybody in the room,
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I've never been with him one time, John, in a room with two people, three people, five people, ten people.
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Last time we were down in Mar-a-Lago, the whole camera crew, everybody signed, whatever.
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He is the most accommodating person, that powerful person I've ever seen.
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I don't know if you saw it two or three weeks ago.
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He said, you know, Newsom said he never called me.
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But far longer than me, I've never seen somebody so easily accessible as Donald Trump to the media.
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And remember, he had the highest rated reality TV program on NBC.
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Every one of those people that you were with, that took that picture, what did they do with it?
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And they sent it to all their friends and family.
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And then they post it, you know, on their own, on their own pages there.
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So he just got a whole bunch of free advertising.
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So he's and, you know, so he he's he's very I mean, he he's really he's he's a genius in that.
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But, you know, I mean, I'm good at polling and good at math.
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And, yeah, I got I got all the credentials that say that, you know, I actually have a card that it says I'm a genius.
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But he's he's got this he's got this high IQ for for public relations.
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The guy is an unbelievable public relations genius.
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And he's he's historic the way he's won elections has never been anybody like him in the United States and there will be again.
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And he's going to go down as one of our greatest presidents.
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And he's changing things right now for the better.
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And that's, you know, that's what Donald Trump's all about.
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So speaking of changing things for the better, better, I want to talk about before we wrap his new tweet that I mentioned earlier that he wants the 2020 election looked at, John.
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You look at what they did to Lou Dobbs because of it.
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You look at what they did to Rudy Giuliani and all the people who just came out and simply said there was something wrong.
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Got the pantsuit off the Mike Lindell two weeks ago, two and a half million dollars to some guy that nobody's ever heard of for defamation.
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Defamation used to be you paid the price of what kind of damage it did to you.
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Now it's just whatever a judge feels like slapping you on the hand with.
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And a lot of us, John, speaking for myself at least, wanted to see what exactly went on.
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Why were paper ballots being shipped in in the middle of the night?
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Why was ballots going from Bethpage, New York to Pennsylvania?
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And I think it's going to vindicate a lot of people.
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And what Donald Trump stands for is the working men of America against these, you know, entitled elite globalists.
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He funded the legal cases against Donald Trump.
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They corrupted it to go after honest people just because they were Trump supporters.
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And, you know, yep, they stuffed the ballot box.
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There's those I worked with the late speaker in Georgia in 2021.
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One, 2021, we fixed the Georgia election law that you need voter ID for absentee ballots, early in-person voting.
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No drop boxes where they're not in the government building that can be watched.
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But 2020, there were people we had video of people going up 30, 40, 50 ballots.
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Then you talked about the truck from Beth Page with the ballot.
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Was Hillary Clinton in the vicinity by any chance?
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So it's like, but the corruption of the election was real.
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And it was, and you have to look at it and you have to, we have to get this out of the system.
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We'll be a one-party system like communist China or like these other countries.
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They're going after Viktor Orban in Hungary, who's one of my clients, because he's Trump's strongest supporter.
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So they're trying everything they can do to basically rig the system so that Donald Trump is just a passing aberration.
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And, you know, they'll, you know, if they take the Congress again, they'll impeach him, they'll tie him down, and they'll rig the system where illegal immigrants will be voting all over the United States, will have open borders again.
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And, you know, there's people that would surrender their freedoms and surrender their democracy just because, okay, we'll just want to get along.
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We have to make sure that the America we have, people can be entitled to disagree with us, to have different opinions.
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That's what's guaranteed under our Constitution and Bill of Rights.
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But right now, that election win was existential and for the United States, for our democracy and for our freedoms.
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And we've got to make sure that we win these midterm elections so they can't roll that back.
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Yeah, Congress, Mike Johnson's got to get his head out of the dirt and get to work and finish passing this big, beautiful bill and everything else before, you know, November, December of next year to give the Republicans a year to campaign on these great accomplishments.
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You can't push this thing through with six months to go to the midterm election when half the people are already made up their mind.
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If President Trump wants that bill passed in July, it's going to get passed in July.
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In fact, he's such a patriot, he wants to sign it on July 4th.
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And I think that'll be a historic moment that gives us a fighting chance that we can succeed next year.
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And then we just got to make sure our own people.
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And then I think in a subsequent bill, John, the no tax on Social Security will will come shortly thereafter or something like that.
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And then hopefully they can hold off until after the midterms to talk about what's that word?
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I actually, by the way, you know, the media calls it cuts.
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But in the reconciliation, the cuts are, if you're an able-bodied adult, particularly a male, who's getting free health care, you need to go look for work.
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If you're an illegal immigrant, you're not going to get Medicaid anymore.
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Why are we paying for health care for illegal immigrants when people are dying in America and can't get their own health care bills paid?
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So if you want to cut Medicaid, those are the cuts that we're in favor of.
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And that'll give us some breathing room that we can have more tax cuts for our people.
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It makes you wonder who these people are, who they work for, really, that would ever agree to something like that in the first place.
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You've got to go have yourself a drink because you've had a long week.
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I don't know how you're doing in this business.
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That poll, folks, that John and I spoke about, McLaughlinOnline.com, McLaughlinOnline.com.
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Well, let's just enjoy our freedoms, enjoy our success.
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But keep fighting and praying that America stays safe and secure and we remain prosperous.
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So as we're preparing for the 250th anniversary of the country, let's keep it going.
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Thanks to John McLaughlin, folks, and thank you all for being with us today here on The Great America Show.
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We hope to see you on here on Monday, back here on Monday, I should say, for The Great America Show.
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And I hope you all have a great weekend, which was made possible by the great Donald J. Trump.