The Great America Show - TICE： INTEL IN CHARGE

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00:00:33.760 Hi, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:36.480 Today, we're going to be talking about, well, the deep state, the intel community, and what are perceived threats really against all Americans by that weaponized intelligence community.

00:00:48.020 As well as the deep state, specifically the Department of Justice, the FBI, the surveillance state.

00:00:55.660 We're going to be talking with Russ Tice.

00:00:57.880 Russ is a former senior intelligence analyst with the National Security Agency.

00:01:03.320 He has an immense amount of experience, a remarkable American.

00:01:07.260 He is also a whistleblower, one of the very first to talk about publicly the National Security Agency and other intel agencies spying on American citizens.

00:01:19.620 About 20 years ago, he first blew the whistle on that, and we've seen all that's happened to date.

00:01:25.660 And it is a frightening picture, indeed, that we're contemplating, particularly with the reauthorization coming next week for Section 702, the FISA law that will permit further spying, further surveillance by the deep state on American citizens.

00:01:42.020 There doesn't seem to be an appetite to fight it in Congress in either party.

00:01:46.660 The Republicans, I'm disappointed to say, I don't think are going to mount a challenge to that reauthorization or any attempt at reforming it.

00:01:55.960 We're also going to be talking about Congressman Mike Gallagher.

00:01:59.660 He is the former chairman of the Select Committee on the CCP.

00:02:03.480 He just resigned his job as congressman and is waiting to get past the deadline to prevent a special election in Wisconsin for his district, thereby probably cutting the Republican majority down to a one vote margin.

00:02:23.900 Doing it for what reason?

00:02:25.280 But surely for spite and surely out of just pure hate for the party that he was supposed to be a member of.

00:02:31.640 And also, by the way, for the district that he was representing. 1.00

00:02:36.040 The man is completely disgusting, appalling, and not behaving in any way that makes any sense whatsoever, except for the mere fact that he is a cretin and a creep. 1.00

00:02:47.600 And he's what we had. 1.00

00:02:49.120 It's the chair of one of the most important committees in Congress.

00:02:52.560 He did, by the way, absolutely nothing as chair of that committee.

00:02:55.920 He was derelict.

00:02:57.320 He was negligent.

00:02:58.880 He was indolent.

00:02:59.980 And now he is just simply spiteful.

00:03:03.280 We're also going to take up the AI intel that emanates from the National Security Agency, DARPA, and which has been applied now across so many of the systems that many people don't even or aren't even aware of how significant the U.S. lead is in artificial intelligence.

00:03:22.360 But we're going to be taking all of that up with Russ Tice.

00:03:25.400 And joining us now is Russ Tice.

00:03:27.780 And, Russ, always great to see you.

00:03:29.600 Thanks for being with us, my friend.

00:03:31.360 A lot coming at us in a hurry.

00:03:34.400 We're going to have the reauthorization next week, as you know, of Section 702, the FISA legislation.

00:03:42.880 Speaker Mike Johnson has already given the FBI, despite its weaponization against the American people, a $200 million new building that will be bigger than the Pentagon.

00:03:54.440 Do you think there's any more we could do for the intelligence agencies that are aligned against the American people?

00:04:00.800 Well, I mean, maybe we could just add in some, you know, taxpayer vacations or something for them for such good work for making sure that we're all being surveilled so well.

00:04:15.540 Well, it's really where we are, isn't it?

00:04:17.920 And we're looking at now a number of alliances, the NSA combining with the so-called Cyber Command to make sure that the elections are all going as they should, whatever that will happen to mean in this particular election.

00:04:38.080 Congress, as I said, renewing Section 702, the FISA authorization.

00:04:43.120 What are your thoughts?

00:04:45.400 So let's start with FISA.

00:04:47.220 Should it be reauthorized and what would be, what would we lose in the way of national security?

00:04:53.980 What would there be, a diminishment of national security if we were to strip FISA from the law?

00:05:03.700 Well, my answer would be, I don't think so.

00:05:06.000 As long as you could make sure under the regular system that we have a warrant and make sure that warrant is not known to the person that you're going to search for a period of time.

00:05:17.220 I don't see why we can't use our constitutional means for the judiciary to put forth a warrant.

00:05:25.180 One, you have under the Fourth Amendment probable cause to look at someone and the suspicion that they're committing espionage with a foreign nation.

00:05:36.500 Right now, it's being used primarily for political purposes.

00:05:41.500 The surveillance, whether it's the NSA, the FBI, the CIA, all of it is being conducted against the American people.

00:05:51.680 The principal outcome here over the past, well, since 2015, has been the surveillance by the intelligence community of the Trump campaign, the Trump presidency, post-Trump presidency.

00:06:09.260 It's outrageous.

00:06:11.260 Conservatives are absolutely being censored and surveilled at every step of the way.

00:06:17.560 We even have FBI agents going door to door to talk about what somebody's posted on social media.

00:06:24.760 Russ, this country's gone nuts.

00:06:26.340 Well, not only that, there's a thing called parallel construction.

00:06:32.200 What's happening is if they want to come after Lou Dobbs for whatever reason, just like the bearer said, give me the man and I'll give you a reason to call him a traitor,

00:06:42.460 that they'll go back into your communications and try to find something that you've done in the past 15 years and then they'll give that to the FBI and then they go back and then they try to find some other means to prove that other than the fact that they illegally and unconstitutionally dug into your communications over so many years and then throw something at you in that manner.

00:07:09.600 Of course, that will never come up in a court of law.

00:07:12.460 Yeah, and since you put me at the center of that scenario, thank you very much, Russ.

00:07:18.820 You know, the fact of the matter is I'm kind of an ornery cuss.

00:07:22.400 There's not much I've said that I don't stand 100% behind.

00:07:27.040 Now, I may have used some language that I would like to, you know, as my wife says, I shouldn't call names and I sometimes use language that is a little rough.

00:07:36.240 But the truth of the matter is I say exactly what I mean and I mean what I say.

00:07:41.020 And I have never gotten out of that habit.

00:07:44.320 So I'm in real trouble, Russ, because I'm actually saying exactly what I think.

00:07:51.020 I'm not playing games.

00:07:52.920 I'm not triangulating.

00:07:54.500 I'm not trying to equivocate or posture.

00:07:57.460 I'm saying precisely what I think.

00:07:59.920 And I think every American might try it because it's a liberating experience.

00:08:04.040 Well, due to the wonders of artificial intelligence, we could take your speech.

00:08:11.840 No, no, no.

00:08:13.120 I know that.

00:08:14.700 Look, you can edit me, you know, put us all through some deep fakes nonsense.

00:08:20.920 I understand that.

00:08:21.900 But I'm talking about that which is you and me as human beings, citizens of this great country.

00:08:29.100 We can't be afraid to say what we mean.

00:08:32.360 And it's time for people to speak up.

00:08:34.400 And I'm talking about, first and foremost, our elected officials who seem to be quivering in their, you know, their wingtip shoes or whatever they're wearing, rather than really serving the American people.

00:08:49.500 Well, I can't tell you how disgusting this is to me to watch what the Republican Party has become, to see what these Marxist Dems are doing, and with them, the deep state.

00:09:01.360 They're serving so many masters in the Democrat Party.

00:09:07.380 It's hard to figure out exactly who, you know, what the pecking order is, isn't it?

00:09:11.280 Well, hey, once again, we're starting to see, especially this congressman up here in, what, Wisconsin, Galloway, I think is his name?

00:09:20.700 Gallagher's the man.

00:09:21.640 Gallagher.

00:09:24.220 Why on earth would he be doing what he's doing right now?

00:09:26.860 This is the classic scenario where I think someone has dirt on him, and they want to make sure that the Republicans no longer have that majority because Congressman Jordan and a couple of the other chairmen are digging to the point where they're about to get the goods on President Biden, especially when it comes to these phony ID, I mean, the email addresses, you know.

00:09:54.860 Aliases. 0.93

00:09:56.700 Aliases. 0.93

00:09:57.480 So I think once we find, and of course, what archives is balking, you know, every which way they can to make sure they don't give that up.

00:10:05.820 I think once we find those out, we will, I mean, not only will we have a smoking gun on the president, we'll have a smoking halitzer on the president.

00:10:14.480 There will be no question.

00:10:16.100 And I think they're getting so close that they have to start using some strong-arm tactics or tactics.

00:10:21.640 So with this congressman, I have a feeling they have dirt on him, and I think they're also offering him some carrot where he's going to get out making millions of dollars for, you know, some kind of consultancy or something of that nature. 0.57

00:10:35.680 Yeah, he is a weasel, and he is a highly objectionable human being.

00:10:41.320 And we're going to take up Mike Gallagher with Russ Tice, former senior intelligence analyst for the NSA. 0.93

00:10:48.720 We're coming right back right after these quick words.

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00:12:29.180 We're back now.

00:12:30.260 We're talking with Russ Tice.

00:12:31.640 And, Russ, great to have you with us again.

00:12:33.280 It's been too long since we talked.

00:12:35.200 So much is happening.

00:12:36.920 And you were talking about Mike Gallagher, the congressman who resigned in just an implosion.

00:12:44.800 It looks like a meltdown on his part.

00:12:46.880 Here he was, the chairman of the CCP select committee, responsible for watching, carrying out policy against the country's number one enemy.

00:12:59.240 That is the People's Republic of China, the CCP.

00:13:02.760 And he's bailing out.

00:13:05.840 He did nothing while he was chairman of that committee.

00:13:08.660 He was intimidated.

00:13:10.280 He was overwhelmed.

00:13:11.320 You picked the verb.

00:13:14.700 But the reality is he was an absolute nothing and has amounted to nothing.

00:13:20.760 And now he is betraying his party as well as the country.

00:13:24.900 Your thoughts?

00:13:25.420 Like I said, there has to be an influence that's causing this to happen.

00:13:30.960 Otherwise, why wouldn't he just, if he had to get out for some sort of medical or family reason, he could get out and allow an interim election to put someone in his spot so that we're not, you know, just down to a one person limit on a majority for the House.

00:13:49.740 So either he's just got to, I don't know whether it's because of the replacing the former speaker or something, but he's either got to burn his bonnet or something else is influencing what he's doing right now.

00:14:03.400 That's the only thing I can see.

00:14:05.200 You think he's being blackmailed?

00:14:07.420 Intimidated?

00:14:08.500 I think, yes, he's being blackmailed and he's also being offered a carrot at the other end of that to, you know, yeah, but ultimately blackmail is, I think, what's happening here.

00:14:18.860 You know, isn't it interesting, too, that he is a former defense intelligence officer in the Marine Corps, as it turns out, and he's aligned with the intelligence community again.

00:14:36.380 He's, you know, he's a little boy, a little boy Brennan running around, you know, trying to play with the big boys.

00:14:43.180 And it's really awful to watch it unfold because the intelligence community is really running the government right now, isn't it?

00:14:52.380 I think so, yeah.

00:14:53.380 I think it's the upper echelon of the intelligence community.

00:14:56.600 Excuse me.

00:14:57.200 It's ultimately the lifeblood of the deep state.

00:15:00.520 And what they say goes, and if they have an agenda, they're going to push it.

00:15:04.100 Now, I don't know this fellow from my own, you know, I knew a lot of guys that were intel for the Marine Corps, but I have a feeling I'm a bit more senior than he is.

00:15:17.280 I may not have known him back in the day.

00:15:19.820 Right.

00:15:20.560 He was the captain in the Marine Corps, and Marine Corps intelligence.

00:15:25.680 Well, intelligence has many different phases.

00:15:30.400 You know, there's signals intelligence, which was my main thing, was satellites.

00:15:34.760 And there's also just the ground guys that are, you know, basically soaking up intelligence so that their troops know, you know, what to look out for.

00:15:42.760 Like reports that we would send them and say, hey, you know, you got something coming up on you, that sort of thing.

00:15:47.860 So I don't know exactly what he was doing.

00:15:49.420 But the fact that he was intel means he's in the community, and he may know some of the right people like Brennan and Hayden and Alexander and some of the other nefarious folks that were on the 51 letter list.

00:16:06.340 The intelligence agencies are a cult unto themselves.

00:16:09.560 There's no question about it.

00:16:11.320 The military intelligence people, and again, Gallagher, the CIA has a hand in every one of these cover-ups.

00:16:18.000 They are, as we've learned watching Bill Barr, who spent seven years in the CIA, he was the stopper, the closer on everything that could be considered an embarrassment or a problem for the intelligence community.

00:16:33.480 He did that for seven years before he went to work for the H.W. Bush in the White House to be his stopper and on his career went.

00:16:44.140 But we're watching right now an intelligence community that's aligned against one political party, and that is the Republican Party.

00:16:53.000 And they mean to stop this and to pursue whatever aims the Marxist Dems come up with, whether it's transgenderism, whether it is destroying the American family, whether it's destroying public education in this country,

00:17:07.820 whether it's destroying meritocracy and asserting diversity for crying out loud, diversity is our strength they keep propagandizing.

00:17:17.140 Our strength is our intelligence, our talent, our character, and our capacity as citizens of this country.

00:17:25.380 And we've got people running propaganda at us, you know, 24 hours a day, whether it's from the CIA itself, whether it's from whatever agency or part of the military-industrial complex.

00:17:38.700 It's awful.

00:17:39.960 And it's suffocating, isn't it?

00:17:42.140 Yes, it is.

00:17:45.400 Even back when I know of one case where the whole floor of DIA didn't have a female on it, so they promoted someone to a 14 who met none of the qualifications for the job. 0.81

00:17:59.980 And, matter of fact, she was an accountant, and she got the job, I think, because they wanted a female on the floor that was at the 14 level, a GS-14, which is a government salary level. 0.84

00:18:13.740 But, you know, so, you know, we had – and she was a very nice person, and I'm sure she was a very good accountant, you know,

00:18:23.900 but now she's got to make technical intelligence decisions, and she's an accountant. 0.97

00:18:30.100 Did they let her do that? 0.97

00:18:31.180 I mean, did they actually let her make decisions on intel?

00:18:34.760 Her position would actually require that she would make certain – she would have to review certain documents and have to sign off on them to say,

00:18:45.060 okay, this is – we can go ahead with this or we don't.

00:18:48.560 And she was not even close to being qualified.

00:18:50.960 Well, it's a very nice person, but not even close to being qualified.

00:18:56.000 So, even back then, I'm sure it's a whole lot different now.

00:18:58.880 Now we've got to have all different rainbow colors and all different kinds of, you know, people, I don't know,

00:19:05.360 with tutus sitting there, you know, dancing around while they're reviewing their intel documents or something.

00:19:10.640 Who knows?

00:19:11.840 Well, how smart would you say most intelligence analysts are?

00:19:17.100 Are they – would you say very bright?

00:19:18.700 Bright, smart?

00:19:20.820 Where would you say they were in terms of intel and talent?

00:19:25.660 In my day, very bright.

00:19:27.880 Matter of fact, especially once you move – you almost have to prove yourself as an intelligence analyst.

00:19:32.600 If you get everything wrong as a junior analyst, they kind of move you, you know, move your way into something else.

00:19:38.580 So, brain power actually does matter still in the intelligence community.

00:19:43.800 Well, it certainly used to, and there's all kinds of courses you take.

00:19:48.680 You take courses on analytical thinking, on all different types of thought trains, on how you'd take intelligence, and you'd rule something out.

00:19:59.500 And basically, you learn how to think as well as an intelligence analyst.

00:20:05.260 The smarter you are, the better you did.

00:20:09.120 That's normally how it works.

00:20:10.260 And quite often, as an intelligence analyst, it's like a puzzle.

00:20:14.920 You get a puzzle, but think about it.

00:20:17.500 You only have, like, 10% of the pieces of the puzzle, and then – or maybe 12% of what you think is a puzzle.

00:20:24.540 2% have been pieces thrown in there to throw you off the trail.

00:20:28.660 And with that, you have to put it together and try to figure out what's going on.

00:20:33.560 So, it would be really interesting to go into the intelligence agencies and just see how much of their hiring is based on diversity, equity, and inclusion rather than intelligence and capacity and talent.

00:20:48.000 So, I'm hoping – I'm hoping that, at least in that area, we had some holdouts from the nonsense that diversity is our strength.

00:20:58.540 We're talking with Russ Tice.

00:20:59.980 We'll be right back.

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00:21:40.260 We're talking with Russ Tice now, and the NSA is warning that our enemies are free to mine private data all of the time and that they have now an artificial intelligence edge.

00:21:54.780 Now, what's interesting about that story from NSA is I was just reading article after article here over the last few weeks about how the United States in generative AI has a significant lead over, for example, the Chinese, and there's no other principal competitor outside of Russia.

00:22:13.720 So, what is the NSA selling here?

00:22:17.360 Oh, that's a good question.

00:22:18.740 It sounds to me like they're selling propaganda.

00:22:24.020 Interesting thing about NSA and some of the other intelligence services is we've been doing this sort of thing for well over 30 years, and a lot of it has come from DARPA to NSA or a combination there of NSA and DARPA to bring these technologies to bear in the intelligence community.

00:22:43.860 And later on, they follow into the –

00:22:46.860 You're talking about AI, right?

00:22:48.880 That's correct.

00:22:49.740 Okay.

00:22:50.320 All right.

00:22:51.120 Then later on, they follow into – when there's a commercial way to make money from these systems, then ultimately that's what happens.

00:23:01.900 The same thing with voice recognition.

00:23:04.300 You know, the little thing you can buy, you can go to most any country.

00:23:08.040 As a matter of fact, I'll be in Italy in a couple of months, and you get this little thing, and you talk into it, and it converts my English into Italian, and I can say, hey, you know, where's the Colosseum?

00:23:19.680 That technology came from the intelligence community.

00:23:22.940 And that technology has been in Silicon Valley for 40 years.

00:23:30.680 People don't believe that.

00:23:31.820 They can't imagine it.

00:23:33.680 And amongst the leaders at one point was even Apple was one of the leaders in voice recognition.

00:23:41.640 It's extraordinary how important DARPA is.

00:23:44.680 We were mentioning the defense intelligence area, a data mining and collection system that was put together called AbleDanger that was running, you know, what, 30, 40 years ago.

00:24:01.460 And who knows where we stand in the global competition, but you can bet that DARPA – I think it's a safe bet.

00:24:10.460 I'd like to get your opinion – is well ahead of anywhere that most people suspect right now.

00:24:16.880 We always underestimate our own capabilities and tend to overestimate a potential enemy's capabilities.

00:24:23.700 We used to have these reports from the Soviet Union about all their advanced weaponry that they had.

00:24:30.940 If you know anything about the MiG-25 Foxbat, that was supposed to be the super fighter that could do anything.

00:24:36.840 And we found out it was basically just an interceptor that could just get up to altitude, shoot a missile, and have to come right back down before it ran out of fuel.

00:24:45.860 And it was made out of steel, of all things.

00:24:48.540 But it was fancy looking.

00:24:51.080 And it had some huge engines on it.

00:24:54.100 And it looked cool, yeah.

00:24:55.340 Yeah, so – and then, of course, you know, that was the big thing to make sure that the intelligence community was getting heaps of money to build a new weapon system to counter that.

00:25:07.320 Well, so here we are.

00:25:08.880 We're going into FISA reauthorization.

00:25:11.680 We know that we're going to see NSA working with, you know, with the Cyber Command on, of all things, truth, justice, and the American way and to assure the integrity of our electoral system.

00:25:26.600 I'm scared to death, in other words, of what's going on here because they're keeping it a secret from oversight committees.

00:25:32.520 They're not explaining what they're doing precisely or even remotely.

00:25:37.780 And NSA makes another statement.

00:25:40.220 My gosh, you know, not only are all these threats going on, and we've got hypersonic missiles, of course, which we're told that the Chinese and the Russians – and, by the way, I have no reason not to believe these claims that both Russia and China have leads in hypersonic missiles, despite the fact that, by the way, speaking of DARPA, going back to 2000, we had the world's only hypersonic missile program and just dropped it because we didn't think it would be necessary.

00:26:09.400 But now the NSA is talking about a black swan event in quantum computing.

00:26:17.000 Make of that what you will for us.

00:26:20.160 I don't know a whole lot about quantum computing.

00:26:22.740 I know that it supposedly can run an ungodly amount of data in a millisecond.

00:26:29.400 And I think there – it leads – the computers need nitrogen just to cool their circuits down.

00:26:35.940 But for NSA to be saying they're afraid of a black swan event – now, this is – it's an interesting concept, black swan events, which are unpredictable, unforeseen, and simply beyond comprehension events that could have happened or could not happen.

00:26:54.120 And no one knows even the shape, the dimension of the event itself.

00:26:59.620 And yet here they are predicting it, which leaves you kind of scratching your head.

00:27:04.660 What are they really afraid of here?

00:27:07.600 Well, I mean, you can use computers to analyze operational systems to look for weaknesses.

00:27:15.240 Perhaps that's what they're talking about here.

00:27:19.180 To be honest, I'd be more worried about the Chinese that are coming across the border that are probably saboteurs and spies, aside from all the other nefarious types that are coming across our southern border. 1.00

00:27:31.820 And how many of those are also involved in cyber attacks as well?

00:27:39.000 But I'm not quite sure what NSA is talking about when they're talking about this.

00:27:43.660 But, you know, computing is something you need for analysis of systems.

00:27:49.900 Now, I know I was involved in some programs.

00:27:53.160 You mentioned, you know, making sure that Congress has the ability to look into these things.

00:27:58.180 That some of these, the SAP programs I was in, we had three of them that I was in.

00:28:04.520 They were called ghost programs, but no one in Congress, no one even knew about them, that they existed.

00:28:10.700 Some are called acknowledged.

00:28:12.120 There's three categories, acknowledged, unacknowledged, and then what we call ghost programs that Congress does not know a thing about.

00:28:22.300 All right.

00:28:22.620 Well, and it's interesting because right now we have over 100,000 Americans being killed by fentanyl overdoses.

00:28:34.340 The 2,000-mile border is wide open.

00:28:36.860 We now find out the Canadian border is wide open as well and that Chinese nationals are crossing that almost at will.

00:28:44.660 We have no interior enforcement.

00:28:47.800 But we have an estimated as high as 15, almost 15 million illegal immigrants brought into this country, illegal aliens brought into this country just since Joe Biden took office.

00:29:00.320 And no one knows where they are, what they're doing, but we know we're spending a lot of taxpayer money on them.

00:29:05.720 And it looks like for only one reason, and that's to make sure that those voter voting rolls in this year's election are going to have a lot of new names on them.

00:29:15.860 Russ, we appreciate it as always.

00:29:18.140 Give us a wrap-up thought here on where we stand today in terms of the intel community and the country's future.

00:29:27.620 Well, it looks to me like the intelligence community has been totally compromised, and now it's a political leverage point.

00:29:37.700 I'm not sure when the inflection point happened here, but everything now apparently – well, a lot of it's the existence because I think they fear there's a guy coming into the White House that's going to turn things upside down.

00:29:52.240 And this is an existential threat that they're looking at.

00:29:58.100 So they're going to call out all the – pull all the stops, and it's going to be, I think, pretty ugly in the next, what, seven, eight months here before November.

00:30:09.640 And even after that, for Lord forbid.

00:30:11.900 Yeah, that may be when the real mess starts.

00:30:13.700 Yeah, because the intel community is no longer what it used to be, where it was basically designed to just tell the policymakers what's going on, and then they're done.

00:30:26.680 Now the intel community is running the show.

00:30:29.260 Russ, thanks for being with us.

00:30:30.460 As always, look forward to talking with you soon.

00:30:32.860 God bless, and take care.

00:30:34.920 See you next time.

00:30:36.300 And, folks, thanks for being with us.

00:30:37.780 We appreciate it, everybody.

00:30:39.480 We'll talk – how about tomorrow?

00:30:40.880 Take care.

00:30:43.700 Take care.

The Great America Show - April 03, 2024

TICE： INTEL IN CHARGE

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