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00:00:33.820 And welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:36.400 Thanks for being with us here.

00:00:37.780 I want to start today by, well, introducing first our guest, who is Michael Gableman.

00:00:43.660 He is the former Wisconsin special counsel investigating the 2020 election, amongst other things, a former Supreme Court justice in Wisconsin and a great American.

00:00:57.320 And he right now is among those leading the charge to recall Robin Voss, the Supreme Court also protecting Voss.

00:01:09.860 And we're going to talk to Michael about how complicated does it get in Wisconsin to to bring in people who aren't corrupt and who aren't connected to replace those who, well, are the inverse of all of that.

00:01:24.920 The basic the basic issue here is integrity.

00:01:29.280 And Wisconsin right now has taken steps to assure integrity.

00:01:34.340 They've actually done something that is, I think, remarkable and worthy of note.

00:01:41.240 They have banned private money in in their future elections, including this year.

00:01:47.660 And Wisconsin was one of the states in which those famous Zuckerberg Zuck bucks came in to influence elections at the local, at the federal and and state level.

00:02:03.960 So it's really quite a story there in Wisconsin.

00:02:08.020 And Michael Gableman has been part of it for some years now.

00:02:13.660 And we welcome to The Great America Show, Michael Gableman.

00:02:17.660 Thank you very, very much, my friend.

00:02:19.860 I can almost say that.

00:02:21.420 Gableman, I apologize.

00:02:23.740 As your viewers can see anything but late to a meal.

00:02:27.900 You're very forgiving and I appreciate it.

00:02:30.700 Michael, and I'm doing well with Michael, so I'm going to stick with Michael now.

00:02:35.060 Michael, I just want to say, first of all, I respect you greatly for all the service that you've given to the state of Wisconsin and by extension to the country.

00:02:44.560 I just really, really admire what you've done to try to bring integrity to the electoral system there and to also, I would have to say, the legislature there as well.

00:02:58.560 Well, let's start with Robin Voss and his role in all of this and your thoughts about his prospects of being recalled.

00:03:10.740 Well, Robin must be, Speaker Voss must be recalled and I believe he will be recalled.

00:03:17.260 This whole saga has its start when I issued a 136-page report on everything that was wrong with the way that the Wisconsin election in 2020 was administered.

00:03:35.080 And I believe that there were many intentional acts undertaken by, for example, the administrator of our Wisconsin Elections Commission, Megan Wolf, whose term has expired and who Speaker Voss refuses to allow impeachment for.

00:03:55.040 Even though he got a letter, even though he got a letter a few months ago from the president of our state Senate, a public letter telling him, Robin, please impeach Megan Wolf.

00:04:05.220 She's terrible.

00:04:06.160 And Robin is the only man, the only person in our state with the power to do it.

00:04:12.660 And he is protect Megan Wolf.

00:04:14.760 And why, what's relevant and why I started with that kind of awkward movement of showing that 136-page report is there are two things to, that are very, very, three things that are very, very important about it.

00:04:28.100 Number one, not one word of it has been proven to be untrue.

00:04:31.780 I've taken a lot of fire and a lot of criticism, but it's all about personality.

00:04:38.880 It's all about things that are not related to the report.

00:04:42.480 And that's because it's true.

00:04:44.000 The second thing to remember is that report, that report simply outlined the fact, A Citizen's Guide to Beating Donald Trump.

00:04:54.080 It was the book that David Plouffe, one of the two most senior and longstanding political operatives for Barack Obama, wrote in the summer of 2020.

00:05:05.220 And what Megan Wolf did and what five of the largest cities in our state did was put into effect David Plouffe's plan to beat Donald Trump. 1.00

00:05:17.080 And in his book on page 111, Plouffe refers to the upcoming 2020 election is likely to be like war and come down to block by block political street fights in cities such as Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee.

00:05:35.260 So we have all of that.

00:05:37.760 We have all the rules violated.

00:05:39.600 We have the laws violated.

00:05:41.260 We have the fact, Lou, that right now anyone can go on the Wisconsin election voting system and register under a made-up name, use a made-up home address, call themselves an active military service man or woman, and have ballots sent wherever they want them to be sent.

00:06:04.100 And whoever receives those ballots can fill them out and put them into the system and never be detected.

00:06:11.720 And that's why those two constitutional amendments, which my fellow citizens endorsed, banning the Zuckerberg-type private funding and banning, prohibiting anyone except for government employees to work and administer elections is a good start.

00:06:27.740 We needed it because of the $10 million that came into our state under the pretext of COVID protection.

00:06:37.360 And the only statistic we have shows that less than 1% of that money actually went to personal protective gear and the like.

00:06:46.760 Nobody asked for and nobody needed COVID protection.

00:06:51.480 But for some reason, Robin Voss is protecting the system as is.

00:06:55.300 He's protecting the system as is.

00:06:57.820 You say he's corrupt.

00:06:59.380 You say in point of fact that he has to go.

00:07:02.820 Why in the world is he still there?

00:07:05.420 And by the way, Megan Wolf and Robin Voss, are they both Republicans?

00:07:12.620 I have no idea.

00:07:14.320 I know Robin is a never-Trumper, something that he didn't share with his constituency until after he squeaked by a primary against a political unknown.

00:07:26.700 Robin had to spend in the other 2022, he had to spend a million dollars of lobbyist money and his opponents spent about $130,000.

00:07:35.400 And Robin ekes out a victory of about 500 votes.

00:07:40.940 And then he tells his constituents, who, by the way, his constituents are about 65%, 68% pro-Trump.

00:07:48.240 That's not just the Republicans in his district.

00:07:50.920 How is he staying in office?

00:07:53.680 Well, I'll tell you what.

00:07:55.480 I take back the question.

00:07:56.900 I'm going to re-ask it right after these quick commercial breaks.

00:07:59.640 And did I say commercial breaks?

00:08:02.620 What I meant was a momentary and soothing pause from which we will return immediately thereafter.

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00:09:46.900 We're back talking with Michael Gableman.

00:09:48.980 And, Michael, we were talking about what in the world is going on in the state of Wisconsin that this is even an issue.

00:09:58.260 Why in the world, if this man is as corrupt as you say and has most of his constituents are America first, MAGA, Trump supporters, why are they tolerating such conduct?

00:10:14.400 Before I get to the heart of that question, I want to start out by saying why this discussion is important is not just because of the almost purposely designed room for fraud in Wisconsin elections.

00:10:29.040 What I told you about the military absentee ballots and the undetectability of fraudulent military absentee ballots is just the tip of the iceberg.

00:10:39.540 I want to start with the fact that in a state of four and a half million eligible voters, our state under Megan Wolf's administration and Robin Wolf, Robin, Robin Voss's supervision has over seven million names on our voter rolls.

00:10:58.440 Four and a half million eligible voters, almost seven and a half million names on the voter rolls, including people we know have died, including people we know have moved away from the state.

00:11:09.840 Why is he still in office?

00:11:11.240 Well, he's he's been working in the Capitol for 30 years.

00:11:15.340 Ten years.

00:11:16.040 He was a legislative aide.

00:11:17.640 But he's had a he's had a long time to learn a lot about legislative maneuvers.

00:11:24.160 But I suppose just as important, he's learned how to raise money.

00:11:28.420 He's he's learned how to obtain money for himself.

00:11:32.040 I think he's sitting on a on a war chest of about three and a half million dollars right now.

00:11:38.020 But but to the point you wanted to make here, and that is the integrity of the system or the lack thereof, you're talking about seven million people on the on the rolls, four and a half million people, eligible voters.

00:11:53.360 Right.

00:11:53.500 What my my question is, everybody knows that.

00:11:56.740 Why haven't they fixed it?

00:11:58.180 I mean, you've got some really bright people.

00:12:00.120 I mean, you've got guys like Paul Ryan, who sits on the board of Fox Fox.

00:12:07.040 I mean, he was a boy genius because he told us he was a boy genius for years when he was down in Washington trying to be pretend to be a walk.

00:12:14.800 Then you've got Reince Priebus.

00:12:17.600 I mean, you've got boy geniuses everywhere.

00:12:20.880 Why aren't they doing something for the state of Wisconsin from whence they sprang?

00:12:25.940 You know, only only they can really answer that.

00:12:31.040 I suppose it's probably a second.

00:12:33.780 Get me Paul Ryan.

00:12:35.480 Yeah, I think I think it's part and parcel of what Robin Voss has been doing in terms of making it possible for the Chinese government to buy up Wisconsin farmland there.

00:12:48.580 Why?

00:12:49.140 Why would someone Robin is the most powerful person in the state, unless you count we have some billionaires here.

00:12:57.480 But politically, Robin Voss is the is the most powerful political person we have.

00:13:04.380 The governor doesn't really count.

00:13:05.940 The governor is a pleasant guy.

00:13:07.600 But I would say he's I would describe him as being vacant.

00:13:11.160 He's absent.

00:13:12.160 He's had some health trouble.

00:13:13.660 What's his name again?

00:13:15.880 Tony Evers.

00:13:16.820 But again, it's the he shows up at the darndest times.

00:13:21.580 I mean, suddenly you've got you've got a transgender rationale that is making sense scientifically and in terms of social policy.

00:13:32.400 And and what is Evers do?

00:13:35.740 He vetoes the dadgum thing.

00:13:38.660 I mean, he's not just a benign, inert force.

00:13:42.300 This guy actually screws things up.

00:13:44.440 Personally, personally, personally, when you talk to him, he's the last time when I last time, which has been a while.

00:13:51.500 But back to Voss, Robin, Robin is protecting the darndest things.

00:13:56.740 And he he raises so much money from big business interests.

00:14:01.820 And I do know that he and Reince, Priebus and Paul Ryan are all very good friends.

00:14:07.880 I mean, I say it ain't so.

00:14:10.980 Well, Reince and Reince and Robin, I believe, were college roommates.

00:14:14.560 So so they're they're really smart people.

00:14:17.120 But why does Robin keep doing these things?

00:14:19.960 I think one of the reasons he gets away with it is he knows the right things to say.

00:14:26.180 And he says them when he's after people's votes.

00:14:29.800 And let me give you two examples.

00:14:31.800 One was after that primary.

00:14:34.020 During the primary, he ran.

00:14:36.480 He ran a campaign based upon his support for Donald Trump.

00:14:40.240 I mean, it was inferred in every single piece of literature, dozens upon dozens, photographs of of Robin Voss and President Trump, clearly signaling the voters that by voting for Robin, they were voting for someone who would support Donald Trump.

00:14:56.400 Don't tell me he betrayed the voters.

00:14:58.760 Don't tell me I can't take it.

00:15:00.900 I can't take it.

00:15:02.020 Well, then I'm sorry.

00:15:03.300 I'm sorry.

00:15:03.980 At that at risk of that, my friend.

00:15:06.140 And yeah, the minute he gets elected and the minute he thinks he's safe from accountability to the to his constituents, then he lets us know I'm a never Trump or I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that Donald Trump is not the Republican nominee.

00:15:22.320 So only after he gets a political victory, an electoral victory, does he tell us the truth.

00:15:28.280 The second thing happened during the first recall effort, which just concluded it fell several hundred signatures short.

00:15:36.660 It was supposed to be six thousand eight hundred and it was sixty three hundred approximately.

00:15:41.740 So he thinks he's safe again.

00:15:44.520 And then he comes after me.

00:15:46.800 He comes after the president.

00:15:49.280 I mean, President Trump.

00:15:51.000 He comes after other supporters of the recall, which I don't know if the president was supportive of the recall.

00:15:57.000 I know the president endorsed his his primary opponent and he says that I should be disbarred.

00:16:03.200 Well, I think a lot of things about Robin Voss.

00:16:06.160 But the most relevant is that he doesn't represent the interests of his constituents.

00:16:11.540 He doesn't seem to care a bit about election integrity.

00:16:15.700 You know, but that works two ways, Michael.

00:16:18.620 It looks like the people of Wisconsin don't care one whit about who runs their government.

00:16:23.640 And it looks like they don't care about corruption.

00:16:27.560 And I'm talking about rancid corruption, given your statements about over a course of 30 years that that corruption has been existent there.

00:16:35.780 And the the bright the bright young fellows, the the boy geniuses, Reince Priebus, Robin Voss and Paul Ryan of, you know, they've done so much for the state.

00:16:48.200 It sounds to me like they've screwed the state every which way from Sunday for as long as they possibly could have, particularly Robin Voss.

00:16:55.700 And I think it's Robin's situation in particular, again, protecting the Chinese government's ability, blocking legislation.

00:17:04.660 And I heard him on a radio interview the other day and I about fell out of my chair because when the when the very friendly when the very friendly interviewer asked him about that legislation, that Robin blocked legislation prohibiting the Chinese government from buying up Wisconsin land, including Wisconsin farmland.

00:17:26.840 Which I cannot think of one public policy reason that would support that other than, well, financial ones.

00:17:35.520 But but when he was asked, Robin, part of his part of his answer was Robin said, and apparently I don't know, it was on radio, so I don't know if he said it with a straight face.

00:17:44.240 That he was only one member out of a 132 person legislature and he couldn't control things whether they get out of committee.

00:17:54.700 Well, I've become familiar over the years, as you noted in your introduction, I used to work at our Capitol and I had I had reason during the investigation to come to know the Capitol even better in the last few years.

00:18:09.340 And every single chairman of every single assembly committee is frightened to death of Robin boss.

00:18:16.980 We're going to continue that. We're going to pick up right there.

00:18:21.480 Everybody scared to death.

00:18:24.620 They are boss. They are in the state Capitol.

00:18:27.980 We're going to find out why and why that isn't making you more nervous as you proceed to unseat him.

00:18:35.160 We're talking with Michael Gableman. We're coming right back. Stay with us.

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00:19:11.660 We're back now. We're talking with Michael Gableman.

00:19:19.340 We're talking about Robin boss, who sounds like quite an operator. 0.98

00:19:22.960 He is corrupt. I don't know, but I can tell you this. 0.91

00:19:27.120 He's quite an operator just from what you're saying, Michael. 0.98

00:19:29.920 Well, surely the people of Wisconsin aren't so dumb as fall for this nonsense that you have described for years and years. 0.98

00:19:40.220 These people are just begging for Robin boss to put their his hands in their pockets. 0.99

00:19:46.860 I think I don't think it's a matter of intelligence.

00:19:50.660 I think as and I know you what is it?

00:19:54.120 Well, but Lou, I know that you believe, as I do, in the fundamental wisdom of the American voter that you and I have confidence.

00:20:02.100 And I built a career in over 20 years of being elected to public office about just doing the right thing and having the confidence to know that when push came to shove, if I was challenged, that the majority would support me.

00:20:18.940 But but Robin, it's more of a matter of being uninformed.

00:20:22.440 We there is no such thing as broad scale media, which is honest and neutral.

00:20:31.120 And that's why I make I, along with a lot of people far more prominent than myself, make a special effort to to take up your invitations to be on your program.

00:20:41.960 But we've got coverage here.

00:20:44.140 The voters of his district simply they don't all know.

00:20:48.280 But it's important. One one number statistic to give us hope, based on what you just said, is in the recall effort that concluded about two weeks ago.

00:21:00.980 Right.

00:21:01.540 There were about there were sixty three hundred six thousand three hundred people who signed the petition for Robin's recall.

00:21:09.420 That is more people, I believe, that is more people than ever voted for Robin in any single election.

00:21:16.760 I think they're catching up to him.

00:21:18.940 They need these answers.

00:21:20.080 And when he can tell me that only that sixty five hundred people have that's the most people who've ever voted for him.

00:21:28.960 And he's got all this power.

00:21:31.260 Well, he does because he has to get elected in his relatively rural district filled with very hardworking, very smart, good Wisconsinites.

00:21:41.380 But then he goes to Madison and I think I think he's been the speaker for about 10 years and he has mastered the art.

00:21:50.180 He has learned it of power and control.

00:21:54.060 And I use those phrases on purpose.

00:21:56.800 It's I see these chairmen and they've told me privately.

00:22:00.420 I don't think they'd have a problem saying it publicly that they are very frightened of losing their chairmanship.

00:22:07.420 I underestimated, Lou, the attachment that that relatively low level politicians give to their relatively low level office.

00:22:17.640 The idea of selling anything, much less my soul for some use, for some committee chairmanship at the Wisconsin or any assembly would never cross my mind.

00:22:29.000 But he holds that over their heads.

00:22:31.480 He also controls he controls all the funding for Republican candidates.

00:22:35.940 So that's that's let me ask you this.

00:22:40.200 Let me ask you this, because we've got about a minute left.

00:22:44.280 Can I come back tomorrow and the rest of this week?

00:22:47.000 Because maybe the next maybe the next month for, you know, Michael.

00:22:51.740 But here here's the situation.

00:22:55.140 You've you've you've let us see exactly.

00:22:58.060 You've pulled back the curtain around Madison, Wisconsin, Robin Voss and the state legislature and the way it works.

00:23:04.240 And I deeply appreciate it.

00:23:06.180 But I know the audience is because it's a fascinating tale.

00:23:09.360 But here's the deal.

00:23:11.060 You come up short.

00:23:12.060 What?

00:23:12.820 A few hundred votes in the first recall.

00:23:16.240 Now you're undertaking the second recall by your own note.

00:23:22.280 You know, that's not many signatures in a state where you've got four, four and a half million registered voters, plus seven million.

00:23:30.700 Presumably a lot of them dead.

00:23:32.400 Not presumably the important part is we know they're dead, but they refuse to take them off the voter rolls.

00:23:39.360 So why do you say here's my question?

00:23:42.220 Here's my question.

00:23:44.020 How can you come up short again and how can you make sure you don't?

00:23:49.140 Well, first of all, first of all, my faith rests in God.

00:23:52.900 And at the start of the break, you started to ask me why I'm not afraid of Robin Voss and his retaliation.

00:24:00.820 Well, he can come and I'm going to come up with I'm going to come up against him, too.

00:24:06.280 We'll see.

00:24:07.160 We'll see how it goes, Robin.

00:24:09.060 I know he's doing what he can to to hurt me.

00:24:13.200 And that's fine.

00:24:14.260 I'm not going to knuckle under.

00:24:16.000 I'm not going to be like that. 0.96

00:24:17.720 I don't know when our political leaders have become such cowards, Lou, to to let a petty tyrant rule over them. 0.62

00:24:27.400 All for the sake of holding on to some little office.

00:24:31.560 But the real answer to your question is on the first recall effort, we had two months, 60 days.

00:24:41.200 The recall effort is a cumbersome process, probably deliberately so.

00:24:47.020 And I think for the I think any reasonable person would say for the first four weeks, there wasn't a lot of organization there.

00:24:53.940 Well, people have learned new management is there and it was the new management team that came in and in four weeks raised about 6,300 signatures.

00:25:03.780 Now they've started over far more organized, far more ready to go.

00:25:08.180 How long do they have to do it?

00:25:09.660 60 days.

00:25:10.720 60 days.

00:25:11.400 But here we have those.

00:25:12.240 I'm a simple guy.

00:25:13.440 When did they start?

00:25:15.140 They started a week Monday, so about eight days.

00:25:18.600 A week Monday.

00:25:19.080 My question would be right now, if I'm in the state of Wisconsin, how many signatures have you got in the first week?

00:25:26.100 Because we know one thing.

00:25:27.520 We've only got eight weeks.

00:25:29.300 So we can pretty well manage this if we know what the heck's going on.

00:25:34.000 I can tell you we've got a hell of a lot more signatures now than we had in the first month of the first effort.

00:25:40.180 That's excellent.

00:25:41.420 That's excellent.

00:25:42.000 Now the people, you asked me a different question and I'm trying to remember what it was because it was an important.

00:25:47.700 Well, it is important.

00:25:49.540 And you know what?

00:25:50.140 That's going to be a question for the next iteration.

00:25:54.360 He has to go.

00:25:56.560 Our farmland is too precious to sell to China.

00:26:00.760 We need it.

00:26:01.660 But it's already being sold to China.

00:26:03.700 Well, it's too precious not to go get it back.

00:26:07.260 I think that's where we are.

00:26:08.660 We have to stop it.

00:26:09.880 We need our political leaders to tell us the truth, not after they secure a vote, not after they get reelected.

00:26:18.260 But we need them to tell us the truth all the time.

00:26:21.780 And I believe...

00:26:22.480 By the way, that's not only helpful in Wisconsin.

00:26:25.620 That's helpful in every state.

00:26:27.860 Michael, I'd love to talk to you this morning.

00:26:30.460 Well, we're so far over, Michael.

00:26:32.420 So I appreciate it.

00:26:34.320 Come back and we'll take it up again and soon.

00:26:37.820 Thanks so much, Michael.

00:26:38.940 And thanks for all you're doing there in Wisconsin to bring truth, justice, and the American way to Madison.

00:26:45.960 We appreciate it.

00:26:47.100 And thank you, everybody, for being with us here on The Great America Show.

00:26:50.960 Our guest tomorrow is Mark McCloskey.

00:26:53.580 He is a well-known attorney.

00:26:55.080 He is the St. Louis-based attorney, in fact, who you may remember in the summer of love in 2020, he and his wife had to stand outside their house in St. Louis with their weapons ready as the BLM supporters were absolutely harassing them.

00:27:15.480 By the way, that landed him in jail for a little while for pulling those guns out.

00:27:21.040 He is a remarkable citizen of St. Louis.

00:27:23.780 He is a remarkable American.

00:27:26.020 He'll be joining us here tomorrow.

00:27:28.300 And by the way, St. Louis, just so you know how well that city is going, once a million people were in St. Louis.

00:27:36.140 And guess what?

00:27:38.200 Fewer than a quarter million live there today.

00:27:40.840 And the downtown looks like an absolute war zone, absolutely destroyed.

00:27:47.640 And the people of St. Louis, they don't know what to do, apparently.

00:27:55.280 And the leadership, well, is all but absent.

00:27:59.540 We'll be taking all of that up because it is what looks to be a template for what will happen in most Democrat-run major cities in this country.

00:28:08.600 Be with us for that.

00:28:09.580 Tomorrow, Mark McCloskey, a great American and a fascinating fellow.

00:28:15.320 You'll enjoy listening to him.

00:28:17.300 We are delighted you were with us today.

00:28:19.800 Thanks for joining us, and we'll see you here tomorrow.

00:28:22.100 God bless you, and thank you.

00:28:24.300 God bless you, and thank you.

The Great America Show - April 11, 2024

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