Michael Gableman is the former Wisconsin Special Counsel investigating the 2020 election, a former Supreme Court Justice in Wisconsin, and a Great American. And he is leading the charge to recall Wisconsin Supreme Court Chief Justice Robin Voss, the man who is protecting him.
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00:00:33.820And welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:37.780I want to start today by, well, introducing first our guest, who is Michael Gableman.
00:00:43.660He is the former Wisconsin special counsel investigating the 2020 election, amongst other things, a former Supreme Court justice in Wisconsin and a great American.
00:00:57.320And he right now is among those leading the charge to recall Robin Voss, the Supreme Court also protecting Voss.
00:01:09.860And we're going to talk to Michael about how complicated does it get in Wisconsin to to bring in people who aren't corrupt and who aren't connected to replace those who, well, are the inverse of all of that.
00:01:24.920The basic the basic issue here is integrity.
00:01:29.280And Wisconsin right now has taken steps to assure integrity.
00:01:34.340They've actually done something that is, I think, remarkable and worthy of note.
00:01:41.240They have banned private money in in their future elections, including this year.
00:01:47.660And Wisconsin was one of the states in which those famous Zuckerberg Zuck bucks came in to influence elections at the local, at the federal and and state level.
00:02:03.960So it's really quite a story there in Wisconsin.
00:02:08.020And Michael Gableman has been part of it for some years now.
00:02:13.660And we welcome to The Great America Show, Michael Gableman.
00:02:23.740As your viewers can see anything but late to a meal.
00:02:27.900You're very forgiving and I appreciate it.
00:02:30.700Michael, and I'm doing well with Michael, so I'm going to stick with Michael now.
00:02:35.060Michael, I just want to say, first of all, I respect you greatly for all the service that you've given to the state of Wisconsin and by extension to the country.
00:02:44.560I just really, really admire what you've done to try to bring integrity to the electoral system there and to also, I would have to say, the legislature there as well.
00:02:58.560Well, let's start with Robin Voss and his role in all of this and your thoughts about his prospects of being recalled.
00:03:10.740Well, Robin must be, Speaker Voss must be recalled and I believe he will be recalled.
00:03:17.260This whole saga has its start when I issued a 136-page report on everything that was wrong with the way that the Wisconsin election in 2020 was administered.
00:03:35.080And I believe that there were many intentional acts undertaken by, for example, the administrator of our Wisconsin Elections Commission, Megan Wolf, whose term has expired and who Speaker Voss refuses to allow impeachment for.
00:03:55.040Even though he got a letter, even though he got a letter a few months ago from the president of our state Senate, a public letter telling him, Robin, please impeach Megan Wolf.
00:04:14.760And why, what's relevant and why I started with that kind of awkward movement of showing that 136-page report is there are two things to, that are very, very, three things that are very, very important about it.
00:04:28.100Number one, not one word of it has been proven to be untrue.
00:04:31.780I've taken a lot of fire and a lot of criticism, but it's all about personality.
00:04:38.880It's all about things that are not related to the report.
00:04:44.000The second thing to remember is that report, that report simply outlined the fact, A Citizen's Guide to Beating Donald Trump.
00:04:54.080It was the book that David Plouffe, one of the two most senior and longstanding political operatives for Barack Obama, wrote in the summer of 2020.
00:05:05.220And what Megan Wolf did and what five of the largest cities in our state did was put into effect David Plouffe's plan to beat Donald Trump.
00:05:17.080And in his book on page 111, Plouffe refers to the upcoming 2020 election is likely to be like war and come down to block by block political street fights in cities such as Detroit, Philadelphia, and Milwaukee.
00:05:41.260We have the fact, Lou, that right now anyone can go on the Wisconsin election voting system and register under a made-up name, use a made-up home address, call themselves an active military service man or woman, and have ballots sent wherever they want them to be sent.
00:06:04.100And whoever receives those ballots can fill them out and put them into the system and never be detected.
00:06:11.720And that's why those two constitutional amendments, which my fellow citizens endorsed, banning the Zuckerberg-type private funding and banning, prohibiting anyone except for government employees to work and administer elections is a good start.
00:06:27.740We needed it because of the $10 million that came into our state under the pretext of COVID protection.
00:06:37.360And the only statistic we have shows that less than 1% of that money actually went to personal protective gear and the like.
00:06:46.760Nobody asked for and nobody needed COVID protection.
00:06:51.480But for some reason, Robin Voss is protecting the system as is.
00:07:14.320I know Robin is a never-Trumper, something that he didn't share with his constituency until after he squeaked by a primary against a political unknown.
00:07:26.700Robin had to spend in the other 2022, he had to spend a million dollars of lobbyist money and his opponents spent about $130,000.
00:07:35.400And Robin ekes out a victory of about 500 votes.
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00:09:46.900We're back talking with Michael Gableman.
00:09:48.980And, Michael, we were talking about what in the world is going on in the state of Wisconsin that this is even an issue.
00:09:58.260Why in the world, if this man is as corrupt as you say and has most of his constituents are America first, MAGA, Trump supporters, why are they tolerating such conduct?
00:10:14.400Before I get to the heart of that question, I want to start out by saying why this discussion is important is not just because of the almost purposely designed room for fraud in Wisconsin elections.
00:10:29.040What I told you about the military absentee ballots and the undetectability of fraudulent military absentee ballots is just the tip of the iceberg.
00:10:39.540I want to start with the fact that in a state of four and a half million eligible voters, our state under Megan Wolf's administration and Robin Wolf, Robin, Robin Voss's supervision has over seven million names on our voter rolls.
00:10:58.440Four and a half million eligible voters, almost seven and a half million names on the voter rolls, including people we know have died, including people we know have moved away from the state.
00:11:17.640But he's had a he's had a long time to learn a lot about legislative maneuvers.
00:11:24.160But I suppose just as important, he's learned how to raise money.
00:11:28.420He's he's learned how to obtain money for himself.
00:11:32.040I think he's sitting on a on a war chest of about three and a half million dollars right now.
00:11:38.020But but to the point you wanted to make here, and that is the integrity of the system or the lack thereof, you're talking about seven million people on the on the rolls, four and a half million people, eligible voters.
00:11:58.180I mean, you've got some really bright people.
00:12:00.120I mean, you've got guys like Paul Ryan, who sits on the board of Fox Fox.
00:12:07.040I mean, he was a boy genius because he told us he was a boy genius for years when he was down in Washington trying to be pretend to be a walk.
00:12:35.480Yeah, I think I think it's part and parcel of what Robin Voss has been doing in terms of making it possible for the Chinese government to buy up Wisconsin farmland there.
00:14:36.480He ran a campaign based upon his support for Donald Trump.
00:14:40.240I mean, it was inferred in every single piece of literature, dozens upon dozens, photographs of of Robin Voss and President Trump, clearly signaling the voters that by voting for Robin, they were voting for someone who would support Donald Trump.
00:15:06.140And yeah, the minute he gets elected and the minute he thinks he's safe from accountability to the to his constituents, then he lets us know I'm a never Trump or I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that Donald Trump is not the Republican nominee.
00:15:22.320So only after he gets a political victory, an electoral victory, does he tell us the truth.
00:15:28.280The second thing happened during the first recall effort, which just concluded it fell several hundred signatures short.
00:15:36.660It was supposed to be six thousand eight hundred and it was sixty three hundred approximately.
00:15:51.000He comes after other supporters of the recall, which I don't know if the president was supportive of the recall.
00:15:57.000I know the president endorsed his his primary opponent and he says that I should be disbarred.
00:16:03.200Well, I think a lot of things about Robin Voss.
00:16:06.160But the most relevant is that he doesn't represent the interests of his constituents.
00:16:11.540He doesn't seem to care a bit about election integrity.
00:16:15.700You know, but that works two ways, Michael.
00:16:18.620It looks like the people of Wisconsin don't care one whit about who runs their government.
00:16:23.640And it looks like they don't care about corruption.
00:16:27.560And I'm talking about rancid corruption, given your statements about over a course of 30 years that that corruption has been existent there.
00:16:35.780And the the bright the bright young fellows, the the boy geniuses, Reince Priebus, Robin Voss and Paul Ryan of, you know, they've done so much for the state.
00:16:48.200It sounds to me like they've screwed the state every which way from Sunday for as long as they possibly could have, particularly Robin Voss.
00:16:55.700And I think it's Robin's situation in particular, again, protecting the Chinese government's ability, blocking legislation.
00:17:04.660And I heard him on a radio interview the other day and I about fell out of my chair because when the when the very friendly when the very friendly interviewer asked him about that legislation, that Robin blocked legislation prohibiting the Chinese government from buying up Wisconsin land, including Wisconsin farmland.
00:17:26.840Which I cannot think of one public policy reason that would support that other than, well, financial ones.
00:17:35.520But but when he was asked, Robin, part of his part of his answer was Robin said, and apparently I don't know, it was on radio, so I don't know if he said it with a straight face.
00:17:44.240That he was only one member out of a 132 person legislature and he couldn't control things whether they get out of committee.
00:17:54.700Well, I've become familiar over the years, as you noted in your introduction, I used to work at our Capitol and I had I had reason during the investigation to come to know the Capitol even better in the last few years.
00:18:09.340And every single chairman of every single assembly committee is frightened to death of Robin boss.
00:18:16.980We're going to continue that. We're going to pick up right there.
00:19:54.120Well, but Lou, I know that you believe, as I do, in the fundamental wisdom of the American voter that you and I have confidence.
00:20:02.100And I built a career in over 20 years of being elected to public office about just doing the right thing and having the confidence to know that when push came to shove, if I was challenged, that the majority would support me.
00:20:18.940But but Robin, it's more of a matter of being uninformed.
00:20:22.440We there is no such thing as broad scale media, which is honest and neutral.
00:20:31.120And that's why I make I, along with a lot of people far more prominent than myself, make a special effort to to take up your invitations to be on your program.
00:20:44.140The voters of his district simply they don't all know.
00:20:48.280But it's important. One one number statistic to give us hope, based on what you just said, is in the recall effort that concluded about two weeks ago.
00:21:56.800It's I see these chairmen and they've told me privately.
00:22:00.420I don't think they'd have a problem saying it publicly that they are very frightened of losing their chairmanship.
00:22:07.420I underestimated, Lou, the attachment that that relatively low level politicians give to their relatively low level office.
00:22:17.640The idea of selling anything, much less my soul for some use, for some committee chairmanship at the Wisconsin or any assembly would never cross my mind.
00:24:17.720I don't know when our political leaders have become such cowards, Lou, to to let a petty tyrant rule over them.
00:24:27.400All for the sake of holding on to some little office.
00:24:31.560But the real answer to your question is on the first recall effort, we had two months, 60 days.
00:24:41.200The recall effort is a cumbersome process, probably deliberately so.
00:24:47.020And I think for the I think any reasonable person would say for the first four weeks, there wasn't a lot of organization there.
00:24:53.940Well, people have learned new management is there and it was the new management team that came in and in four weeks raised about 6,300 signatures.
00:25:03.780Now they've started over far more organized, far more ready to go.
00:26:55.080He is the St. Louis-based attorney, in fact, who you may remember in the summer of love in 2020, he and his wife had to stand outside their house in St. Louis with their weapons ready as the BLM supporters were absolutely harassing them.
00:27:15.480By the way, that landed him in jail for a little while for pulling those guns out.
00:27:21.040He is a remarkable citizen of St. Louis.
00:27:38.200Fewer than a quarter million live there today.
00:27:40.840And the downtown looks like an absolute war zone, absolutely destroyed.
00:27:47.640And the people of St. Louis, they don't know what to do, apparently.
00:27:55.280And the leadership, well, is all but absent.
00:27:59.540We'll be taking all of that up because it is what looks to be a template for what will happen in most Democrat-run major cities in this country.