The Great America Show - April 11, 2023


TRUMP ATTORNEY WARNS SPECIAL COUNSEL HE'D BETTER KEEP HIS INVESTIGATION CLEAN!


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50 minutes

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149.92778

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7,577

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448

Misogynist Sentences

4

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

The Marxist-Dims war on President Trump is widening. Not only is President Trump now contending with a local prosecutor s indictment in Georgia, trying to conjure up charges based on the president s phone call urging the secretary of state to find some votes to carry the narrow election for Trump. It's just another nuisance, but nonetheless, it has to be dealt with, as does another special counsel investigation by the deep blue Marxist-Dim prosecutor, Jack Smith, looking to charge President Trump on the classified documents in the Mar-A-Lago case and January 6th.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show.
00:00:04.380 The Marxist-Dims war on President Trump is widening. Not only is President Trump now
00:00:09.580 contending with a local prosecutor's indictment, he's also facing another political prosecution
00:00:15.640 in Georgia, Fulton County, home of Atlanta, trying to conjure up charges based on the
00:00:21.860 president's phone call urging the Georgia Secretary of State to find some votes to
00:00:27.240 carry the narrow election for Trump. It's just another nuisance, but nonetheless,
00:00:32.320 it has to be dealt with, as does another special counsel investigation by the deep blue Marxist-Dim
00:00:38.840 prosecutor, Jack Smith, looking to charge President Trump on the classified documents in the Mar-a-Lago
00:00:45.560 case and January 6th. Again, pure partisan politics, and again, Smith and his band of partisans are
00:00:53.800 activists seeking to destroy Trump, as are they all. Our guest today is the highly respected
00:01:00.160 defense attorney, Tim Parlatori. He represents President Trump in the classified documents
00:01:05.900 and January 6th allegations of the special counsel. Tim, great to have you back with us here on The
00:01:11.680 Great America Show, whether it's Washington or Florida, New York or Georgia. President Trump has
00:01:18.200 an unprecedented, full-on Marxist-Dim assault against him. What's your sense of what President
00:01:24.520 Trump faces with a number of these cases of outright political persecution?
00:01:30.280 Sure. Thanks for having me, Lou. Just to be clear, I represent the president in all things special
00:01:36.400 counsel. So, you know, the January 6th and the Mar-a-Lago documents case, and so I do not represent him in
00:01:44.020 Georgia or in New York, and so I can't necessarily comment specifically about that. But, you know,
00:01:49.800 really what you see right now is a coordinated or a simultaneous, rather, effort by these multiple
00:01:57.480 prosecuting agencies to try and bring, you know, something that could potentially remove him from
00:02:06.780 the race for the presidency is really how I see it. I have to say that's as a layman. That's the way I see it,
00:02:14.000 too. And I think there are too many laymen, by the way, trying to interpret much of this as attorneys might
00:02:18.700 or judges might. You know, straight old common sense is what, you know, sometimes what you're looking at is
00:02:25.980 what's really there. And to see what the state of New York is doing in various jurisdictions, whether it be the
00:02:31.840 Manhattan DA, the attorney general, it just, it's absolutely disgusting and appalling. And I've got
00:02:40.420 to ask you, this is a bit of a follow-up question. Sure. And it is, we have watched this president
00:02:46.560 politically persecuted by law enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies, the Democrat National
00:02:53.520 Committee, a presidential campaign committee, and impeached twice, two special counsels now,
00:03:04.480 and never one, one iota of wrongdoing. At what points do the courts take into consideration the fact
00:03:13.400 that this is, as Beryl Howell, the former chief judge in D.C., would say,
00:03:20.120 prima facie evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the prosecutors, the investigators, and the deep
00:03:28.100 state? Well, I mean, I think that it is indicative when you have this many people coming after somebody
00:03:36.460 in any possible angle that they can, you know, that's indicative of a deeper problem. And it's not,
00:03:44.520 you know, this is not like, you know, when you have gangsters that, you know, every prosecutor wants
00:03:51.080 to put away the gangsters because they're actually doing some harm to society. You know, this is,
00:03:55.940 you know, coordinated efforts by politically aligned individuals, you know, within the criminal justice
00:04:05.140 system that really, in a lot of these cases, more mirrors political goals than legitimate criminal
00:04:14.500 goals. I mean, you know, as an attorney, I'm a criminal attorney, okay? I fight things out in
00:04:20.600 the courtroom. I'm not a campaign guy. I don't have anything to do with the campaign or anything like
00:04:25.440 that. And so, for me, this is very unique to be able to be in a case where I have to fight it out
00:04:32.900 while thinking about all of these other potential, you know, political considerations and the motivations
00:04:38.780 of the other side and, you know, what, you know, how a different case with a different
00:04:45.340 president with different documents in a different state might affect my client and things like that.
00:04:53.460 You know, I'm used to very, you know, hey, diddle, diddle, straight up the middle cases where the
00:04:59.740 prosecutors and I are, you know, across the line from one another and we're just fighting it out based
00:05:04.780 on the facts and the law of our case as opposed to all of these other considerations. And that's,
00:05:11.620 you know, that to me is indicative of why this is just such a different scenario.
00:05:16.600 To me, at times, Tim, I will tell you straightforwardly, if we go back to the 90s and,
00:05:22.880 if you will, the ebbing of the heydays of the Cosa Nostra, the organized crime, particularly in New York,
00:05:30.200 you know, it's as if they had control of the courts, they had the prosecutors and all of the
00:05:37.660 good guys suddenly had to defend themselves. That's the behavior. We've watched four consecutive
00:05:44.780 FBI directors lie through their teeth to Congress. We have watched FBI agents try to frame a president
00:05:52.560 of the United States, successfully frame his national security advisor. We have watched the hatching of
00:05:59.440 conspiracies that were put into kinetic motion in black and white, real, tangible conspiracies
00:06:09.100 and actions to carry out those conspiracies to overthrow a president, and still nothing has
00:06:14.300 happened. There is something in, if you will, the atmospherics of Washington, D.C. and political
00:06:24.080 America. And I think that thing is lawfare, because right now you don't have rights unless you can
00:06:30.120 afford the attorneys necessary to deal with the system. Because of lawfare, you don't have to do
00:06:37.100 anything wrong. All you have to do is be charged with wrongdoing. This is a new moment in which judges
00:06:44.080 are as corrupt as any one of the attorneys that they are employing in the Department of Justice,
00:06:52.060 and they are all on the same side. Am I overstating the case?
00:06:57.600 You know, I'm going to take a little bit more of a nuanced point of view. And, you know, don't forget,
00:07:02.240 I began my career working for and being mentored by a lot of the defense attorneys who worked in that
00:07:07.540 heyday of the Cosa Nostra. I think that, you know, to my mind, a lot of these things were already there.
00:07:14.500 The FBI is an organization, you know, built on Hoover. And so it had, it's an organization that
00:07:23.240 has certain institutional rot to begin with. Now, certainly there's a lot of, you know, great and
00:07:29.980 honest agents out there. But its leadership structure has always had problems. And, you know,
00:07:35.700 the fact that it is both a law enforcement agency and also a member of the intelligence community,
00:07:41.260 I think it's problematic. The fact that it's, that its jurisdiction completely overlaps with so many
00:07:48.420 other agencies is problematic and causes turf wars. And, you know, what you're talking about with the
00:07:55.200 two systems of justice, all of that has always been there. The difference is that it's now much more
00:08:03.240 overt. It's now being used, um, much more openly in the political, um, arena, whereas before it was
00:08:13.740 being used, you know, kind of more against, you know, private citizens and, and a lot of other ways
00:08:19.640 kind of outside of DC. And I think that really, um, everything, I agree with what you just said,
00:08:27.080 but I think a lot of that is more of, of an awakening of people, um, to the reality that
00:08:34.320 people in my profession have seen for a very long time. So, um, yeah, and, and again, I'm not going
00:08:42.760 to comment on, you know, any individual judges or things like that, but I think that the, the DOJ,
00:08:49.980 the FBI, um, you know, rot is, is something that we've seen for a long time. It's just nobody,
00:08:58.240 people are finally starting to, uh, to see it outside of my community.
00:09:03.360 And I think importantly, uh, for the first time we are watching a president who was assailed by lawfare
00:09:10.980 in various forms, a, and a political party, uh, the Democrat party in cooperation with the deep state,
00:09:18.740 the permanent bureaucracy, uh, if you will. Uh, and the result has been spectacular. Uh, the fireworks
00:09:27.200 have been immense. The, the injury to the, to the national, uh, I think to the, the national heart
00:09:34.500 has been profound. Uh, we are a different people right now because what we have seen our government
00:09:39.980 do, which has turned the power of our government, as we have always thought of it, irrespective of some
00:09:46.080 of the, the rot, as you put it, uh, being coincidental and not pervasive, I think. But now
00:09:53.000 the American people see their federal government for what it is. And that is, uh, an institution
00:09:58.840 that has declared the American people to be its enemy. Uh, and, and that is a new, new horizon to
00:10:06.500 contend with. Yeah. It's, it's always, it's always been there. And it's just that, you know,
00:10:13.420 people haven't cared about it as much because maybe it didn't personally affect them. Maybe it
00:10:18.840 didn't affect anybody that they knew or that they supported. I mean, you know, years ago,
00:10:24.640 the FBI and in Boston, for example, framed innocent men for murder that they didn't commit intentionally
00:10:33.420 frame them, uh, because they were trying to protect, protect their cooperating witness,
00:10:38.680 Whitey Vulture. And they justified it based on the idea that the people that they framed who
00:10:43.720 were innocent of that murder, well, they're Italian gangsters. So they probably did something else.
00:10:49.900 More of those guys died in jail for a murder he didn't commit. This is, this is stuff that's always
00:10:55.920 been there. It's just never really been out in the open, um, in, in this way, because as long as
00:11:05.160 it's targeting, you know, people that we don't sympathize with, um, you know, okay, go, go ahead.
00:11:13.200 So the FBI is committing a whole bunch of crimes to take out gangsters. You know, a lot of people
00:11:18.140 don't really care about that, but now that it's, now that it's targeting, um, political figures,
00:11:25.260 um, it's hitting a little bit closer to home, I think.
00:11:28.900 Yeah. Yeah. Very close to home. I have you ever heard of the FBI having a portal just out of
00:11:36.120 curiosity in a law firm before we found out that, uh, Perkins Coy had just such an arrangement with
00:11:43.540 the FBI. I I'm just curious about that. I, that that's not something I'm going to comment on
00:11:48.800 directly. Okay. Fair enough. Uh, the, uh, now I'm going to start musing over that even harder.
00:11:57.360 The, the idea that the FBI right now, uh, is investigating on the, uh, across the board,
00:12:08.300 once again, uh, the president of the United States, uh, Jack Smith, is it your sense that we are going
00:12:16.980 to be well-served this time by a special counsel? Well, so I, I kind of look at it from a more base
00:12:25.080 perspective of, you know, and I'm going to speak specifically to the, to the documents case here.
00:12:31.700 Sure. Um, I personally don't believe that the, um, that the alleged classified documents case is
00:12:40.480 something that DOJ should be involved with at all. I don't believe that Jack Smith should have been
00:12:45.680 appointed because I don't think that the discovery of documents is something that should have been
00:12:50.540 referred to DOJ to begin with. Um, I don't think that her should have been appointed to investigate
00:12:58.560 Joe Biden, uh, for his classified documents. I don't think that anybody should be appointed to
00:13:02.860 investigate Mike Pence for his alleged, um, possession of classified documents, because
00:13:08.080 what those three cases demonstrate to me is not criminal intent on behalf of any former elected
00:13:17.000 official or current elected official, but rather institutional failure within the White House
00:13:23.920 on their document handling procedures, institutional failures within GSA and the National Archives in
00:13:32.740 how they handle, um, government of presidents and vice presidents when they leave office and,
00:13:40.220 and what they, what they do with packing up those documents. And really, to me,
00:13:45.220 these cases all should have been handled, not by bringing DOJ into it at all, but rather by having
00:13:53.140 the intelligence community assign investigators to do an administrative investigation as to the
00:14:00.960 spillage of these classified documents or allegedly classified documents. Many of them are probably
00:14:06.160 been declassified, but why would these documents have even gotten outside of a SCIF to begin with?
00:14:15.200 Uh, that classified environment to begin with, uh, how did they get into boxes that would then get
00:14:22.880 shipped down to, uh, Mar-a-Lago or Delaware? Um, not whether the former president has committed a crime by
00:14:33.680 allowing sealed boxes to be sitting in a storage room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago. That's not a crime.
00:14:41.520 You know, really what we have here throughout all of these is a, it's a consistent pattern and think of it
00:14:49.200 this way. Back in October, the National Archives released a statement, um, in, in response to
00:14:55.200 allegations that there were classified documents from the Obama administration being held up in Chicago.
00:14:59.520 And they said for every president from Reagan through Obama, we obtained a facility in the city where
00:15:07.200 the future presidential library was to be built. And we stored all of the presidential documents in
00:15:12.640 that secure facility. So no potentially classified documents ever were outside of NARA's control.
00:15:19.040 In that statement, what they are saying is that since the presidential records act has been signed,
00:15:27.200 there are two presidents that they failed to provide that facility for, and the vice presidents,
00:15:34.720 they also failed to provide that facility for. And if you look at those, you'll see Jimmy Carter,
00:15:40.800 who signed the presidential records act, found classified documents in his house. President
00:15:47.120 Trump, they found documents with classification markings in his house. Vice presidents, most recent,
00:15:53.520 Mike Pence found documents with classification markings in his house. Joe Biden found documents
00:15:58.720 with classification markings in his house. Dick Cheney, we're way too afraid to look in his house.
00:16:04.080 See what might be there. That might be an originating destination. But that's the point, is that everybody
00:16:14.640 that the National Archives doesn't provide a facility for to hold the documents when they leave the White
00:16:20.320 House, they find documents in their house. What this says to me is, this should not be a big neon sign
00:16:30.880 to say, hey, let's bring in Jack Smith and Robert Hurd to go criminally investigate the former presidents.
00:16:37.040 This should be a sign to the House and Senate Select Committees on Intelligence to, hey, you need to
00:16:43.360 legislate a change here because the White House clearly does not handle classified documents the same
00:16:49.600 way that the intelligence agencies and the military handles them. So you need to correct the document
00:16:56.880 handling procedures in the White House. And you should amend the Presidential Records Act to codify
00:17:04.720 and mandate what NARA says that they've done for all of these other former presidents and extend it to
00:17:11.760 the vice presidents. Because if you do all those things, there would not have been a single piece
00:17:17.120 of paper even brought to Mar-a-Lago. And I would say to you this, President Trump had a much shortened
00:17:27.040 transition window than his predecessors. You know, certainly, Bill Clinton up through Obama,
00:17:34.640 they all had four years to prepare for their eviction.
00:17:37.120 William Moore, Jr.: Right.
00:17:37.840 William Moore, Jr.: And, you know, that is certainly a factor. He only, he really only had about a week
00:17:43.040 and a half, you know, from January 7th on. But I suspect that if NARA had gone to him during that week
00:17:52.560 and a half and said, Mr. President, we need to talk about documents. I don't know what you want to
00:17:58.240 do because, you know, Congress never actually mandated what we do exactly. But here's what we
00:18:04.480 did for your predecessor. We'd like to just rent the facility down in Palm Beach and move all the
00:18:10.080 documents there. William Moore, Jr.: And he'd probably look at them and say, okay, you know, this is being
00:18:15.840 rented by the government or do I have to pay for it? No, no, no, sir. The government's paying for it.
00:18:19.360 William Moore, Jr.: Hey, what is it? Fine. Go ahead.
00:18:22.560 William Moore, Jr.: Yeah, I think I asked them. Not a single document would have ever made it
00:18:26.720 to Mar-a-Lago. They didn't ask.
00:18:28.880 William Moore, Jr.: Did you ever put that hypothetical before the president, just out of curiosity?
00:18:34.000 William Moore, Jr.: I got, because of privilege issues, I'm not going to discuss any specific
00:18:38.640 conversations I've had with them.
00:18:40.000 William Moore, Jr.: I have to say that sounded just exactly like the president would
00:18:44.720 reason through it. I have to say, you make a terrific case. I come at it from a
00:18:50.880 a little different direction. I don't understand how the National Archivist suddenly has the power
00:18:56.800 to bring in the Justice Department and create holy hell for a former president.
00:19:02.240 William Moore, Jr.: That's it.
00:19:03.440 William Moore, Jr.: I mean, this is ridiculous.
00:19:05.520 William Moore, Jr.: That's it. Why did they refer it to the Justice Department?
00:19:09.360 William Moore, Jr.: Why did they, A, not rent the facility? Why did they not take the actions
00:19:15.360 necessary to smooth the transition? Then once they found this stuff, why did they call DOJ as opposed
00:19:25.200 to calling ODNI? I mean, it would make much more sense to call ODNI and say, hey, there's some
00:19:32.560 documents that were found out of place. Can you go and take a look at this and see if there's any more?
00:19:39.120 William Moore, Jr.: I think the only reason that makes any sense is they intended to harass
00:19:43.760 William Moore, Jr.: And assail this president, President Donald Trump. This is an act that's been
00:19:51.440 coordinated between the attorneys, to me, quite obviously. It's been an organized effort. Suddenly,
00:20:01.680 President Biden's attorneys are being notified and they just happened to discover some documents on
00:20:07.200 the 2nd of November after raiding the president's Mar-a-Lago residence on the 8th of August. I mean,
00:20:15.040 we're in la-la land with these people. This is far too much coincidence.
00:20:20.640 William Moore, Jr.: You know, it's interesting when you mentioned juvenile, you know, without denigrating
00:20:26.160 any specific individuals, I will say that the team that the Jack Smith inherited, and I say inherited,
00:20:36.000 not assembled, because what we're talking about here is the people from the National Security Division
00:20:42.400 who originally started this whole investigation. And then once Merrick Garland decided to appoint Jack
00:20:48.080 Smith, from my perspective, it didn't change anything. I was still dealing with the same people.
00:20:55.840 And in fact, it was quite a long time before they even changed their signature blocks. I mean,
00:21:01.840 for a month after Jack Smith was appointed, they were still signing subpoenas as, you know,
00:21:07.840 being part of the National Security Division. And so really, you know, to me, Jack Smith is,
00:21:14.800 you know, he's an additional layer of decision making in between them and Merrick Garland. And he's
00:21:21.680 somewhat of a fig leaf to try to claim that this is an independent investigation. But the reality is,
00:21:27.440 the people who began this investigation under Merrick Garland at the request of National Archives
00:21:34.080 are still doing it. And quite frankly, from everything I've seen, when I compare their conduct
00:21:42.800 of this investigation to how I would normally, you know, rate, you know, the US Attorney's offices from,
00:21:49.280 say, the Southern or Eastern District of New York, that are actual criminal investigators and criminal
00:21:53.840 prosecutors, it is very different how they handle this case. And I think that that is one of the
00:22:02.640 the unseen themes here is that when you have National Security Division attorneys playing
00:22:10.160 criminal prosecutor and using tools that they're not, you know, really experienced in using,
00:22:18.080 it creates a very different environment than what you would normally have in a criminal investigation.
00:22:27.120 Well, that's interesting. And I see precisely what what you mean. There is so much that is
00:22:35.200 different about the situation. It's not just atmospherics, it's processes, it's elements.
00:22:39.680 I want to turn to the issue of these documents that are sealed, the things you can't talk about,
00:22:47.520 obviously, defending the President of the United States. You actually were called to testify before
00:22:56.640 the grand jury on this documents case. Can you talk about that?
00:23:05.600 Sure. So I'll quarrel with one thing that you said there. I was not actually called. I went.
00:23:14.480 Okay.
00:23:14.800 They asked for a custodian of records for the Office of the Former President, which is a,
00:23:21.760 it's an entity that's created under the Former Presidents Act, you know, to be an office that would,
00:23:26.720 that every former President has. They were hoping probably for some Mar-a-Lago staffer to come in and
00:23:36.240 that they could beat up on how little they knew about where documents were. And we discussed it and
00:23:43.120 we made a decision. I chose to personally go in there instead of sending some junior staffer.
00:23:49.520 Because ultimately what they wanted to talk about was our efforts at compliance and I am the one that
00:23:54.000 hired the team and oversaw all efforts at compliance with the subpoena post raid. And so I was the
00:24:01.360 person in the best position to, to give that information to the jury. And as a trial attorney,
00:24:10.160 yeah, I'm not a former prosecutor. I've been on the defense my entire life. I've never been in a grand
00:24:14.480 jury room before. I'm not saying that I wanted to do it for sightseeing purposes, but I talk to juries for
00:24:20.800 a living. And the opportunity to go in there and talk to this grand jury and explain to them
00:24:29.120 what we had actually done and all of the efforts that the President Trump made to ensure that
00:24:37.040 that he was complying and that, you know, really this is not at all a case of, you know, willfully
00:24:44.800 retaining documents, but rather willfully returning documents. And in spite of, as opposed to because
00:24:52.800 of the, um, the aggressive, um, oppositional tactics of the national security division lawyers.
00:25:00.960 Um, yeah, the opportunity to go behind enemy lines and to actually talk directly to their grand jury.
00:25:06.960 I jumped at that opportunity.
00:25:08.320 I can imagine you would. And I have to wonder why in the world they would, I have to, I have to
00:25:16.960 imagine that they were very nervous about having the president's representative, legal representative,
00:25:23.200 walk through the door instead of, as you put it, a, uh, a clerical, uh, person, uh, that they might
00:25:30.320 have otherwise expected from Mar-a-Lago. Well, and, and one of the things that surprised me
00:25:35.920 when I went in there and they did not want me, they, they fought to try and get somebody else
00:25:40.640 in there, but they didn't have a choice. They got me. Um, one of the things I was shocked at
00:25:45.920 is the willingness with which they were openly misleading the jury and committing misconduct
00:25:54.880 right in front of me. Uh, and obviously I'm not a, I'm not a very, you know, passive or meek
00:26:02.800 witness. Every time they did it, I, I pointed it out. Um, but if they're willing to do that
00:26:10.400 in front of me, what are they doing to the other witnesses? What are they doing when I'm not in the
00:26:16.080 room? What are they doing to witnesses that aren't lawyers and they don't know any better? Um, you know,
00:26:22.960 we, we had a lot of very tense exchanges in there where they would ask completely improper questions,
00:26:28.240 and I would tell them that it's an improper question. And then they would, you know, turn to
00:26:31.920 the jury and say, so you're refusing to provide this information to them. Like, no, I'm not refusing
00:26:37.440 to provide anything. You're asking a question that calls for privilege. I'm ethically prohibited from
00:26:42.800 answering that question. Even if I wanted to, even if it's something that's helpful, I am, my license
00:26:48.960 prohibits me from answering that question without checking with the client first. And you know,
00:26:53.120 you're an attorney. And there were a couple of times where actually I may have started
00:26:58.960 cross-examining the prosecutor in front of the grand jury. And then, you know, her assistant had
00:27:03.840 to jump in and save her to remind everybody that I was the witness because it was just, it was persistent,
00:27:11.600 wrongful conduct.
00:27:14.720 It's funny. Can you share an example of, uh, their improper questioning?
00:27:21.120 Oh, sure. I mean, and just to be clear, there are sealing orders that would prohibit me from
00:27:27.600 talking about any of the alleged litigation over privilege issues. But when it comes to
00:27:32.880 what happens within the grand jury, um, things that happen inside the grand jury room are secret,
00:27:39.680 but that secrecy order does not apply to the witness. So I am allowed to talk about this stuff.
00:27:44.560 Um, and they would, they would consistently be asking me about my conversations with the president.
00:27:51.760 And of course, I would continuously tell them that I couldn't do that. And at one point,
00:27:56.000 she actually asked me, well, you know, there are exceptions to privilege, right? Yeah. And in fact,
00:28:01.200 the client can waive the privilege. I said, yes. And she says, and if the president's being so
00:28:06.640 cooperative, why hasn't he allowed you to share his conversations with the grand jury today?
00:28:11.120 Now, had that question been asked in a trial jury trial, the judge would have flown down from the
00:28:21.200 bench and immediately, you know, immediately declared a mistrial. And yet here, nothing.
00:28:30.560 Yeah. Instead, I just looked at her and I said,
00:28:32.160 are you really doing this? And she said, yes. And so I had to turn to the jury to explain to them how
00:28:40.880 completely and totally improper and unconstitutional that question is. There are constitutional rights,
00:28:48.400 which we have to respect. And if somebody is invoking one of those constitutional rights,
00:28:53.040 that is not something that anyone in the criminal justice system can use against them.
00:28:57.600 And the fact that the president has not waived his privilege to allow me to come in and tell about
00:29:04.560 all my conversations with him to even suggest that that is evidence of guilt is complete and total
00:29:10.640 misconduct. And in fact, because we got this one tiny window into what happened there, I wouldn't be
00:29:18.720 surprised if we eventually get to the point of being able to see all of these grand jury transcripts and
00:29:24.720 find out that there's persistent misconduct throughout. So is pervasive that the entire
00:29:31.280 grand jury proceedings are tainted and need to be tossed out.
00:29:36.720 And if you toss out the proceedings, you toss out the charges, do you? Not if they were to be
00:29:41.040 charges. Right. It's a defective grand jury proceeding.
00:29:43.680 So this is, in everything, there seems to be, as you described, obviously the woman prosecutor who was
00:29:55.440 talking before the grand jury. I mean, she's an absolute zealot just by the nature of what she was
00:30:04.320 doing. Only a zealot would go so far as to trample constitutional rights of a president and with his
00:30:12.080 attorney and the chair before. And that's exactly the issue is that ordinarily in grand jury, when
00:30:17.200 somebody objects to a question and invokes a privilege, ordinary prosecutors drop the question
00:30:23.840 to move on. If they want to get that answer and if they believe that there's an exception to the
00:30:28.480 privilege, they'll deal with it later in a motion to compel. They do not fight with the witness and
00:30:36.000 then try to mislead the jury in front of the jury. It's totally improper.
00:30:41.680 And I don't know if this is improper of me to ask, but did you notice the reaction of the jury to
00:30:50.160 to that particular incident, that episode in her questioning of you?
00:30:56.240 William Moore, Jr.: I think that the jury was a little bit surprised. And that may be more that
00:31:04.000 they were surprised at my response than the question. But then obviously, I don't want to
00:31:11.440 talk too much about, you know, this specific jury, but they, you know, I think that they were definitely,
00:31:19.600 you know, a jury is what it is supposed to be. It's a cross section of society.
00:31:23.760 William Moore, Jr.: And, you know, some people are more receptive to certain things than others. Some
00:31:29.840 people have certain beliefs. And I do think that they saw that this was improper. And if they didn't,
00:31:38.560 then, you know, that's probably the conditioning that they've been putting them through with this.
00:31:44.960 William Moore, Jr.: And this, this has been nothing less than a, an attack on executive privilege,
00:31:53.200 the president's privileges. I mean, Beryl Howell, you go through.
00:31:57.520 William Moore, Jr.: Have you ever seen a case with so much litigation over privileges? I mean,
00:32:02.080 if you can't, if you can't make a case without piercing every single privilege
00:32:07.680 out there, we've gone for attorney client, we've gone for executive, we've gone for
00:32:11.360 speech and debate. I'm waiting for them to subpoena his priest and his doctor next so that
00:32:16.960 they could test those privileges too. William Moore, Jr.: Well, don't give them any ideas,
00:32:22.720 because it is. William Moore, Jr.: The priest and the doctor have nothing to say other than he's
00:32:26.640 completely innocent, so. William Moore, Jr.: Right. It's just extraordinary. And the American
00:32:31.760 people, I mean, we are, I certainly will not speak for America, but I have to say a huge number of
00:32:38.000 Americans. Certainly those who supported Donald Trump, who support him today, are stunned that
00:32:46.080 we're watching a president stripped of the powers of his office while he was a sitting president,
00:32:52.480 because he was, I mean, he was undercut at every turn by intelligence agencies, by the FBI,
00:33:00.320 by attorneys, a form of lawfare at the federal level, dealing with the executive. And now as a post
00:33:05.520 president, he is being told he will have to put on sackcloth and ashes for, for conduct that he did
00:33:15.840 not, that he's not guilty of, and hope to hell that they get at least a reasonable grand jury that
00:33:23.680 will protect him from these zealot prosecutors who love to persecute him and have for seven years.
00:33:30.800 Is that an unfair statement? William Moore, Jr.: Well, I mean, I think that it's not only that.
00:33:35.840 Obviously, the appellate courts are there, but one of the interesting things that, again,
00:33:41.840 something I don't normally deal with in these cases is that here you have a companion case, if you will,
00:33:50.640 where the documents in Mar-a-Lago were in boxes that were brought down.
00:33:57.200 William Moore, Jr.: They were only there for two years. And then you have a companion case where
00:34:03.680 the documents were there for more like seven years. And the documents that were moved from
00:34:12.480 one location to another, some put into folders marked personal and then brought inside the house,
00:34:16.720 some left outside by the Corvette, some moved over to the office in DC. And so,
00:34:21.520 William Moore, Jr.: When you look at the criminal statute, which criminalizes willful retention
00:34:29.280 of national security information, I think that you actually have a lot more evidence
00:34:36.800 in a lot of ways of willful retention there. And so, if you're going to try to criminalize this behavior,
00:34:43.680 William Moore, Jr.: You know, there's multiple cases. But at the same time, is it a good idea
00:34:53.520 to criminalize this? Or is it a better idea to just get all of these documents under government
00:35:00.080 control? Make sure that you do an assessment to see whether there's been any damage, see whether any of
00:35:06.160 it's been sold to business partners overseas or things like that. But ultimately, to contain it, can you
00:35:16.720 actually indict a former president while allowing the current president to pass without any accountability
00:35:26.720 whatsoever or vice versa? It's one of the reasons why I sit here and say, I don't think that either one
00:35:34.400 of them should be charged, because if one of them gets charged, then politically, you have to charge
00:35:39.600 them both. William Moore, Jr.: Yeah. I think that you make a terrific case, except I have a question.
00:35:48.560 William Moore, Jr.: Sure. William Moore, Jr.: And that is, President Trump has the power to declassify documents.
00:35:56.400 William Moore, Jr.: He was the only one amongst those that had that power because he's contemporaneous to
00:36:04.160 all of this. Joe Biden goes back 50 years, apparently, 40 to 50 years. He not only had all of the places
00:36:12.720 that you described for the classified documents in his possession, but then it turns out, what was it,
00:36:18.960 nine boxes were in his attorney, Patrick's office, up in Boston. That means a lot of people were looking at a
00:36:26.160 lot of classified documents over that time. They surely weren't all class had appropriate security
00:36:33.920 clearances. This is a mess that seems to me starts with the archivists and with the
00:36:41.440 intelligence agencies themselves, because these documents should never have gone anywhere. They
00:36:48.640 didn't know where they were going. And if they have no system to know whether they've been returned,
00:36:53.920 this is mindlessness of a huge order.
00:36:58.240 William Moore, Jr.: There's another aspect to this. I don't know how much more time you have
00:37:04.800 before I open this Pandora's box, but- William Moore, Jr.: Always time for a Pandora's box opening.
00:37:09.680 William Moore, Jr.: You talk about classified material. And, of course, I talk about documents
00:37:16.480 with classification markings, because a lot of these may have been declassified. But ultimately,
00:37:23.200 the statute that we're looking at is silent as to classification. It talks about the willful retention of
00:37:31.760 national defense information, which is defined as something that the individual
00:37:39.680 has reason to believe the disclosure of which would be damaging to national security or helpful to
00:37:46.560 our adversaries. Classification, all that is is evidence of somebody's opinion of whether it
00:37:55.440 constitutes national defense information. William Moore, Jr.: Right. William Moore, Jr.: There is an epidemic
00:38:01.440 of over-classification in this country. And I saw some recent figures where the
00:38:08.240 William Moore, Jr.: Nonprofit was challenging the declassification of certain documents and found
00:38:14.240 that it was up to 70% over-classification. William Moore, Jr.: We don't classify things just because
00:38:23.440 the disclosure of it would be damaging to national security. Oftentimes, we classify things because they
00:38:28.240 would be embarrassing. William Moore, Jr.: And so really, that's a whole separate issue of how many of
00:38:35.040 these documents really should be classified. William Moore, Jr.: How many of these documents really should
00:38:41.360 still be classified? I'll give you an example. William Moore, Jr.: I went through all 15 boxes that were
00:38:47.280 returned to NARA. William Moore, Jr.: And so I saw all of the stuff that was in there. I saw the sheets where they
00:38:55.120 removed the marked documents. William Moore, Jr.: And I'm not going to speak to the documents themselves,
00:39:02.240 but when it comes to certain things, let's talk about schedules. William Moore, Jr.: Presidential schedule
00:39:08.880 is often unclassified, but certainly there are sensitivities to it. Sometimes it is classified.
00:39:14.320 William Moore, Jr.: For example, tomorrow we're going to fly to Afghanistan so you can have
00:39:19.840 Thanksgiving dinner with the troops. William Moore, Jr.: That is a highly classified fact.
00:39:24.960 William Moore, Jr.: Sure. William Moore, Jr.: Because the last thing we want the Taliban to know is that
00:39:28.720 the juiciest target in the world is right about to fly overhead within RPG range. Okay? But the moment he
00:39:39.600 walks into the dining hall and is surrounded by all these troops and by all the TV cameras,
00:39:46.480 William Moore, Jr.: The concept that he's flying to Afghanistan is no longer the state secret.
00:39:53.440 William Moore, Jr.: So is this is the daily schedule that he was given the day before this is tomorrow
00:39:57.920 we're flying to Afghanistan. Should that still be classified?
00:40:01.440 William Moore, Jr.: Well, I've just landed on one possibility and you,
00:40:07.520 as you described, why oftentimes documents are classified, it's because they're embarrassing.
00:40:13.120 William Moore, Jr.: And I think nothing creates greater angst amongst the permanent bureaucracy,
00:40:18.960 the deep state, than the possibility of being embarrassed. And this looks to me like a case
00:40:27.120 where the president was in possession of documents. The only thing that, to me, the only thing that makes
00:40:32.560 any sense is that Merrick Garland, President Biden, Christopher Wray must have created, gotten a
00:40:43.520 hold of a pretty good case of agita over something that they thought was in the president's possession
00:40:48.320 that they didn't want out.
00:40:49.520 William Moore, Jr.: A document of recovery operation related to a crossfire hurricane, perhaps?
00:40:54.880 William Moore, Jr.: That would be right on.
00:41:02.560 William Moore, Jr.: Maybe.
00:41:03.120 William Moore, Jr.: Maybe.
00:41:04.240 William Moore, Jr.: I was hoping for an affirmative.
00:41:07.680 William Moore, Jr.: I have not seen, I have not been given access to the documents the DOJC, so I can't,
00:41:14.240 I can neither confirm nor deny because I lack the information. But, you know, I will tell you that a
00:41:20.000 lot of the stuff that I saw in NARA is very innocuous stuff. You know, it's like, and those boxes,
00:41:27.680 they made so much sense as you're going through them because, you know, it's the daily newspaper.
00:41:35.600 It's his daily schedule. And sometimes you'd see, okay, so, you know, today you have a call with
00:41:43.760 President Macron this afternoon. And then there'd be, you know, a removal sheet there saying, you know,
00:41:50.080 we've removed the classified briefing sheet in advance of your call with President Macron.
00:41:56.320 William Moore, Jr.: And sometimes what those sheets are is, you know, let's set Macron to the side for a
00:42:03.680 second. Let's say that he was going to have a call with, say, President Zelensky. And let's say that
00:42:10.560 some Lieutenant Colonel on the National Security Council wrote up a script of these are the questions
00:42:16.160 that this Lieutenant Colonel would like you to ask President Zelensky. Those questions would be the,
00:42:24.400 you know, theoretically, would be the classified briefing that, of course, once he's asked those
00:42:29.360 questions to President Zelensky, it's no longer classified because, obviously, we just told a
00:42:35.280 foreign individual, you know, everything that was on that sheet. And I use that one for an example
00:42:41.440 because, obviously, that was the subject of the first impeachment trial was that that particular
00:42:47.440 Lieutenant Colonel got all out of it in listening to the call that the President didn't follow his
00:42:55.680 script and didn't ask only the questions that the Lieutenant Colonel wanted the President to ask. So,
00:43:03.120 that's a situation that, and I bring it up more just because it's something that we're familiar with,
00:43:11.280 we saw in the impeachment trial. But that's a lot of what this stuff is. And so it's not like,
00:43:21.600 it's stuff that would have been on his desk at the time, that somebody then put into a box,
00:43:28.320 and then they taped it up and packed it away. It's, you know, there's nothing about that that says,
00:43:36.800 oh, you know, this is a secret that I want to hoard. You know, I want to,
00:43:42.240 I want to keep this because I think it's a great souvenir. It goes back to the same thing. And I bet,
00:43:50.240 I would be willing to bet that the Biden docs and the Pence docs are very similar.
00:43:56.320 And, you know, very innocuous stuff, not, you know, some of it probably should already be
00:44:06.080 declassified. Some of it probably shouldn't have been classified to begin with.
00:44:09.600 Yeah. And to think what this President went through in those final months of his presidency,
00:44:16.720 uh, uh, uh, because he was running for president re-election to the presidency. Uh, and, uh,
00:44:24.720 the national security, uh, apparatus produced a letter, uh, the intelligence community, uh,
00:44:31.920 51 veterans signed a letter saying that the, that was not, that was not the national security
00:44:38.720 apparatus. Those were former people. They were outside government. Yeah. Former Intel.
00:44:44.720 They wrote a letter based explicitly saying that it was based on their collective experience and
00:44:52.000 exposure to classified information over the course of their years of service that their analysis
00:45:01.440 based on their access to classified information and their knowledge of classified Russian
00:45:07.200 strategies was that it was Russian disinformation, something that was false
00:45:11.760 false. And something that was something that for them to have done that without
00:45:19.920 first bringing it to the CIA and to these other agencies to say, Hey, we would like to publish a
00:45:25.440 letter that is based on our former access to classified information. And since we've signed a
00:45:31.040 nondisclosure agreement that says, we are not going to do that without providing you the opportunity
00:45:35.520 to review it first. Here's CIA. Could you please review this letter to make sure we're not
00:45:40.960 revealing something classified? They didn't do it. They violated their oath. They violated their
00:45:46.960 contractual obligations to the United States. Um, you know, we filed complaints with all 50,
00:45:53.280 with all the Intel agencies, um, you know, to have them investigate these people for violation
00:45:59.680 of their nondisclosure agreements. Um, violations of nondisclosure agreements like that is something
00:46:05.440 that that does happen, something that does get prosecuted. Um, you know, certainly gets civilly
00:46:11.360 enforced, um, when it's the right person, you know, they started going after John Bolton with his book for
00:46:18.560 failure to get it properly cleared. And then the new administration liked what he had to say. So they
00:46:23.840 dropped it. Uh, Matt Bissonette, um, full disclosure, a client of mine, he wrote a book about the night
00:46:31.360 that he and his friends flew to Pakistan to kill bin Laden. Um, he, his publisher asked him not to get
00:46:41.360 it reviewed because they wanted to rush it to print before Obama's reelection campaign. They gave him a
00:46:46.640 lawyer who told him you're allowed to do this. And then because it was embarrassing to the Obama
00:46:55.040 White House, because it did not match the narrative that they wanted to put out through their zero dark
00:47:01.120 30 movie and everything else. They went after him, the guy who had put his life on the line countless
00:47:08.400 times for this country, the guy who had suffered injuries in combat, a guy who almost died many times.
00:47:17.280 They destroyed his life. They brought him into court. They ended up taking everything from him,
00:47:24.880 taking all of his, um, all the revenue from the book to the government, all because they didn't
00:47:32.480 like what he had to say. And yet these 51 violated the exact same agreement. They did the exact same thing.
00:47:44.000 And nothing has happened to them yet. I wonder if it's because they were under orders from a,
00:47:50.720 from a former president. Uh, well, if they, if it was something that was done in coordination with a
00:47:56.960 campaign, um, who then shortly thereafter became president, then that would be properly the subject of
00:48:06.960 an investigation by the federal elections commission. But that didn't happen. Actually,
00:48:12.880 it is happening. Well, it didn't happen in time. I'll put it that way.
00:48:16.720 We filed, we filed the complaint. The investigation is ongoing right now.
00:48:21.440 And, uh, when did you file a complaint?
00:48:25.200 A couple of weeks ago.
00:48:26.560 Okay. And what I'm talking about is the fall of 2020.
00:48:29.440 Tim, it's been a great, uh, honor to have you with us. We appreciate it. Enjoyed our conversation.
00:48:34.640 We always give our guests the, the last word. And I do mean the last word. Uh, I will not,
00:48:40.320 no matter how tempted, uh, offer up a rebuttal or qualification of any kind, uh, for your concluding
00:48:47.040 thoughts, please. Yeah. My, my concluding thoughts here really are that if you're going to go after
00:48:54.640 somebody, whether they are a politician or not, you have to do it cleanly. You have to do it in accordance
00:49:01.360 with the law. And whenever prosecutors, uh, DOJ steps outside of that and starts to, uh, violate the
00:49:11.040 law, violate the constitution, um, you know, you've lost the moral high ground. And if you're not going
00:49:19.120 to do it cleanly, then you shouldn't be doing it at all. And you should expect that somebody
00:49:24.480 like me is going to be standing in between you and, and whoever you are trying to, to go after
00:49:31.840 with these unlawful tactics. Um, and that has nothing to do with any political party or any
00:49:37.760 individual that, that applies across the board. So, um, the special counsel's office needs to really
00:49:45.360 knock it off. Well said, Tim Parlatori. Great to have you with us here on the great America show again.
00:49:52.040 Thanks and good luck to you. And to, of course, President Donald Trump. Thanks for being with us,
00:49:57.340 everybody here tomorrow. We take up the astonishing Pentagon leak of top secret Intel documents,
00:50:04.280 documents that could affect the Ukrainians and their defense against the Russians Intel on China
00:50:10.060 and the Middle East that could have a major impact on U S foreign policy and national security.
00:50:15.780 former NSA intelligence analyst, Russ Tice joins us here to assess those documents and what is wrong
00:50:23.120 with this Biden regime and its many disasters. Please join us here tomorrow. Till then,
00:50:29.380 God bless you and God bless America.