The Great America Show - TRUMP ATTORNEY WARNS SPECIAL COUNSEL HE'D BETTER KEEP HIS INVESTIGATION CLEAN!

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:04.380 The Marxist-Dims war on President Trump is widening. Not only is President Trump now

00:00:09.580 contending with a local prosecutor's indictment, he's also facing another political prosecution

00:00:15.640 in Georgia, Fulton County, home of Atlanta, trying to conjure up charges based on the

00:00:21.860 president's phone call urging the Georgia Secretary of State to find some votes to

00:00:27.240 carry the narrow election for Trump. It's just another nuisance, but nonetheless,

00:00:32.320 it has to be dealt with, as does another special counsel investigation by the deep blue Marxist-Dim

00:00:38.840 prosecutor, Jack Smith, looking to charge President Trump on the classified documents in the Mar-a-Lago

00:00:45.560 case and January 6th. Again, pure partisan politics, and again, Smith and his band of partisans are

00:00:53.800 activists seeking to destroy Trump, as are they all. Our guest today is the highly respected

00:01:00.160 defense attorney, Tim Parlatori. He represents President Trump in the classified documents

00:01:05.900 and January 6th allegations of the special counsel. Tim, great to have you back with us here on The

00:01:11.680 Great America Show, whether it's Washington or Florida, New York or Georgia. President Trump has

00:01:18.200 an unprecedented, full-on Marxist-Dim assault against him. What's your sense of what President

00:01:24.520 Trump faces with a number of these cases of outright political persecution?

00:01:30.280 Sure. Thanks for having me, Lou. Just to be clear, I represent the president in all things special

00:01:36.400 counsel. So, you know, the January 6th and the Mar-a-Lago documents case, and so I do not represent him in

00:01:44.020 Georgia or in New York, and so I can't necessarily comment specifically about that. But, you know,

00:01:49.800 really what you see right now is a coordinated or a simultaneous, rather, effort by these multiple

00:01:57.480 prosecuting agencies to try and bring, you know, something that could potentially remove him from

00:02:06.780 the race for the presidency is really how I see it. I have to say that's as a layman. That's the way I see it,

00:02:14.000 too. And I think there are too many laymen, by the way, trying to interpret much of this as attorneys might

00:02:18.700 or judges might. You know, straight old common sense is what, you know, sometimes what you're looking at is

00:02:25.980 what's really there. And to see what the state of New York is doing in various jurisdictions, whether it be the

00:02:31.840 Manhattan DA, the attorney general, it just, it's absolutely disgusting and appalling. And I've got

00:02:40.420 to ask you, this is a bit of a follow-up question. Sure. And it is, we have watched this president

00:02:46.560 politically persecuted by law enforcement agencies, intelligence agencies, the Democrat National

00:02:53.520 Committee, a presidential campaign committee, and impeached twice, two special counsels now,

00:03:04.480 and never one, one iota of wrongdoing. At what points do the courts take into consideration the fact

00:03:13.400 that this is, as Beryl Howell, the former chief judge in D.C., would say,

00:03:20.120 prima facie evidence of wrongdoing on the part of the prosecutors, the investigators, and the deep

00:03:28.100 state? Well, I mean, I think that it is indicative when you have this many people coming after somebody

00:03:36.460 in any possible angle that they can, you know, that's indicative of a deeper problem. And it's not,

00:03:44.520 you know, this is not like, you know, when you have gangsters that, you know, every prosecutor wants

00:03:51.080 to put away the gangsters because they're actually doing some harm to society. You know, this is,

00:03:55.940 you know, coordinated efforts by politically aligned individuals, you know, within the criminal justice

00:04:05.140 system that really, in a lot of these cases, more mirrors political goals than legitimate criminal

00:04:14.500 goals. I mean, you know, as an attorney, I'm a criminal attorney, okay? I fight things out in

00:04:20.600 the courtroom. I'm not a campaign guy. I don't have anything to do with the campaign or anything like

00:04:25.440 that. And so, for me, this is very unique to be able to be in a case where I have to fight it out

00:04:32.900 while thinking about all of these other potential, you know, political considerations and the motivations

00:04:38.780 of the other side and, you know, what, you know, how a different case with a different

00:04:45.340 president with different documents in a different state might affect my client and things like that.

00:04:53.460 You know, I'm used to very, you know, hey, diddle, diddle, straight up the middle cases where the

00:04:59.740 prosecutors and I are, you know, across the line from one another and we're just fighting it out based

00:05:04.780 on the facts and the law of our case as opposed to all of these other considerations. And that's,

00:05:11.620 you know, that to me is indicative of why this is just such a different scenario.

00:05:16.600 To me, at times, Tim, I will tell you straightforwardly, if we go back to the 90s and,

00:05:22.880 if you will, the ebbing of the heydays of the Cosa Nostra, the organized crime, particularly in New York,

00:05:30.200 you know, it's as if they had control of the courts, they had the prosecutors and all of the

00:05:37.660 good guys suddenly had to defend themselves. That's the behavior. We've watched four consecutive

00:05:44.780 FBI directors lie through their teeth to Congress. We have watched FBI agents try to frame a president

00:05:52.560 of the United States, successfully frame his national security advisor. We have watched the hatching of

00:05:59.440 conspiracies that were put into kinetic motion in black and white, real, tangible conspiracies

00:06:09.100 and actions to carry out those conspiracies to overthrow a president, and still nothing has

00:06:14.300 happened. There is something in, if you will, the atmospherics of Washington, D.C. and political

00:06:24.080 America. And I think that thing is lawfare, because right now you don't have rights unless you can

00:06:30.120 afford the attorneys necessary to deal with the system. Because of lawfare, you don't have to do

00:06:37.100 anything wrong. All you have to do is be charged with wrongdoing. This is a new moment in which judges

00:06:44.080 are as corrupt as any one of the attorneys that they are employing in the Department of Justice,

00:06:52.060 and they are all on the same side. Am I overstating the case? 0.83

00:06:57.600 You know, I'm going to take a little bit more of a nuanced point of view. And, you know, don't forget,

00:07:02.240 I began my career working for and being mentored by a lot of the defense attorneys who worked in that

00:07:07.540 heyday of the Cosa Nostra. I think that, you know, to my mind, a lot of these things were already there.

00:07:14.500 The FBI is an organization, you know, built on Hoover. And so it had, it's an organization that

00:07:23.240 has certain institutional rot to begin with. Now, certainly there's a lot of, you know, great and

00:07:29.980 honest agents out there. But its leadership structure has always had problems. And, you know,

00:07:35.700 the fact that it is both a law enforcement agency and also a member of the intelligence community,

00:07:41.260 I think it's problematic. The fact that it's, that its jurisdiction completely overlaps with so many

00:07:48.420 other agencies is problematic and causes turf wars. And, you know, what you're talking about with the

00:07:55.200 two systems of justice, all of that has always been there. The difference is that it's now much more

00:08:03.240 overt. It's now being used, um, much more openly in the political, um, arena, whereas before it was

00:08:13.740 being used, you know, kind of more against, you know, private citizens and, and a lot of other ways

00:08:19.640 kind of outside of DC. And I think that really, um, everything, I agree with what you just said,

00:08:27.080 but I think a lot of that is more of, of an awakening of people, um, to the reality that

00:08:34.320 people in my profession have seen for a very long time. So, um, yeah, and, and again, I'm not going

00:08:42.760 to comment on, you know, any individual judges or things like that, but I think that the, the DOJ,

00:08:49.980 the FBI, um, you know, rot is, is something that we've seen for a long time. It's just nobody,

00:08:58.240 people are finally starting to, uh, to see it outside of my community.

00:09:03.360 And I think importantly, uh, for the first time we are watching a president who was assailed by lawfare

00:09:10.980 in various forms, a, and a political party, uh, the Democrat party in cooperation with the deep state,

00:09:18.740 the permanent bureaucracy, uh, if you will. Uh, and the result has been spectacular. Uh, the fireworks

00:09:27.200 have been immense. The, the injury to the, to the national, uh, I think to the, the national heart

00:09:34.500 has been profound. Uh, we are a different people right now because what we have seen our government

00:09:39.980 do, which has turned the power of our government, as we have always thought of it, irrespective of some

00:09:46.080 of the, the rot, as you put it, uh, being coincidental and not pervasive, I think. But now

00:09:53.000 the American people see their federal government for what it is. And that is, uh, an institution

00:09:58.840 that has declared the American people to be its enemy. Uh, and, and that is a new, new horizon to

00:10:06.500 contend with. Yeah. It's, it's always, it's always been there. And it's just that, you know,

00:10:13.420 people haven't cared about it as much because maybe it didn't personally affect them. Maybe it

00:10:18.840 didn't affect anybody that they knew or that they supported. I mean, you know, years ago,

00:10:24.640 the FBI and in Boston, for example, framed innocent men for murder that they didn't commit intentionally

00:10:33.420 frame them, uh, because they were trying to protect, protect their cooperating witness,

00:10:38.680 Whitey Vulture. And they justified it based on the idea that the people that they framed who 0.64

00:10:43.720 were innocent of that murder, well, they're Italian gangsters. So they probably did something else. 0.75

00:10:49.900 More of those guys died in jail for a murder he didn't commit. This is, this is stuff that's always

00:10:55.920 been there. It's just never really been out in the open, um, in, in this way, because as long as

00:11:05.160 it's targeting, you know, people that we don't sympathize with, um, you know, okay, go, go ahead.

00:11:13.200 So the FBI is committing a whole bunch of crimes to take out gangsters. You know, a lot of people

00:11:18.140 don't really care about that, but now that it's, now that it's targeting, um, political figures,

00:11:25.260 um, it's hitting a little bit closer to home, I think.

00:11:28.900 Yeah. Yeah. Very close to home. I have you ever heard of the FBI having a portal just out of

00:11:36.120 curiosity in a law firm before we found out that, uh, Perkins Coy had just such an arrangement with 0.99

00:11:43.540 the FBI. I I'm just curious about that. I, that that's not something I'm going to comment on

00:11:48.800 directly. Okay. Fair enough. Uh, the, uh, now I'm going to start musing over that even harder.

00:11:57.360 The, the idea that the FBI right now, uh, is investigating on the, uh, across the board,

00:12:08.300 once again, uh, the president of the United States, uh, Jack Smith, is it your sense that we are going

00:12:16.980 to be well-served this time by a special counsel? Well, so I, I kind of look at it from a more base

00:12:25.080 perspective of, you know, and I'm going to speak specifically to the, to the documents case here.

00:12:31.700 Sure. Um, I personally don't believe that the, um, that the alleged classified documents case is

00:12:40.480 something that DOJ should be involved with at all. I don't believe that Jack Smith should have been

00:12:45.680 appointed because I don't think that the discovery of documents is something that should have been

00:12:50.540 referred to DOJ to begin with. Um, I don't think that her should have been appointed to investigate 0.98

00:12:58.560 Joe Biden, uh, for his classified documents. I don't think that anybody should be appointed to

00:13:02.860 investigate Mike Pence for his alleged, um, possession of classified documents, because

00:13:08.080 what those three cases demonstrate to me is not criminal intent on behalf of any former elected

00:13:17.000 official or current elected official, but rather institutional failure within the White House

00:13:23.920 on their document handling procedures, institutional failures within GSA and the National Archives in

00:13:32.740 how they handle, um, government of presidents and vice presidents when they leave office and,

00:13:40.220 and what they, what they do with packing up those documents. And really, to me,

00:13:45.220 these cases all should have been handled, not by bringing DOJ into it at all, but rather by having

00:13:53.140 the intelligence community assign investigators to do an administrative investigation as to the

00:14:00.960 spillage of these classified documents or allegedly classified documents. Many of them are probably

00:14:06.160 been declassified, but why would these documents have even gotten outside of a SCIF to begin with?

00:14:15.200 Uh, that classified environment to begin with, uh, how did they get into boxes that would then get

00:14:22.880 shipped down to, uh, Mar-a-Lago or Delaware? Um, not whether the former president has committed a crime by

00:14:33.680 allowing sealed boxes to be sitting in a storage room in the basement of Mar-a-Lago. That's not a crime.

00:14:41.520 You know, really what we have here throughout all of these is a, it's a consistent pattern and think of it

00:14:49.200 this way. Back in October, the National Archives released a statement, um, in, in response to

00:14:55.200 allegations that there were classified documents from the Obama administration being held up in Chicago.

00:14:59.520 And they said for every president from Reagan through Obama, we obtained a facility in the city where

00:15:07.200 the future presidential library was to be built. And we stored all of the presidential documents in

00:15:12.640 that secure facility. So no potentially classified documents ever were outside of NARA's control.

00:15:19.040 In that statement, what they are saying is that since the presidential records act has been signed,

00:15:27.200 there are two presidents that they failed to provide that facility for, and the vice presidents,

00:15:34.720 they also failed to provide that facility for. And if you look at those, you'll see Jimmy Carter,

00:15:40.800 who signed the presidential records act, found classified documents in his house. President

00:15:47.120 Trump, they found documents with classification markings in his house. Vice presidents, most recent,

00:15:53.520 Mike Pence found documents with classification markings in his house. Joe Biden found documents

00:15:58.720 with classification markings in his house. Dick Cheney, we're way too afraid to look in his house.

00:16:04.080 See what might be there. That might be an originating destination. But that's the point, is that everybody

00:16:14.640 that the National Archives doesn't provide a facility for to hold the documents when they leave the White

00:16:20.320 House, they find documents in their house. What this says to me is, this should not be a big neon sign

00:16:30.880 to say, hey, let's bring in Jack Smith and Robert Hurd to go criminally investigate the former presidents.

00:16:37.040 This should be a sign to the House and Senate Select Committees on Intelligence to, hey, you need to

00:16:43.360 legislate a change here because the White House clearly does not handle classified documents the same

00:16:49.600 way that the intelligence agencies and the military handles them. So you need to correct the document

00:16:56.880 handling procedures in the White House. And you should amend the Presidential Records Act to codify

00:17:04.720 and mandate what NARA says that they've done for all of these other former presidents and extend it to

00:17:11.760 the vice presidents. Because if you do all those things, there would not have been a single piece

00:17:17.120 of paper even brought to Mar-a-Lago. And I would say to you this, President Trump had a much shortened

00:17:27.040 transition window than his predecessors. You know, certainly, Bill Clinton up through Obama,

00:17:34.640 they all had four years to prepare for their eviction.

00:17:37.120 William Moore, Jr.: Right.

00:17:37.840 William Moore, Jr.: And, you know, that is certainly a factor. He only, he really only had about a week

00:17:43.040 and a half, you know, from January 7th on. But I suspect that if NARA had gone to him during that week

00:17:52.560 and a half and said, Mr. President, we need to talk about documents. I don't know what you want to

00:17:58.240 do because, you know, Congress never actually mandated what we do exactly. But here's what we

00:18:04.480 did for your predecessor. We'd like to just rent the facility down in Palm Beach and move all the

00:18:10.080 documents there. William Moore, Jr.: And he'd probably look at them and say, okay, you know, this is being

00:18:15.840 rented by the government or do I have to pay for it? No, no, no, sir. The government's paying for it.

00:18:19.360 William Moore, Jr.: Hey, what is it? Fine. Go ahead.

00:18:22.560 William Moore, Jr.: Yeah, I think I asked them. Not a single document would have ever made it

00:18:26.720 to Mar-a-Lago. They didn't ask.

00:18:28.880 William Moore, Jr.: Did you ever put that hypothetical before the president, just out of curiosity?

00:18:34.000 William Moore, Jr.: I got, because of privilege issues, I'm not going to discuss any specific

00:18:38.640 conversations I've had with them.

00:18:40.000 William Moore, Jr.: I have to say that sounded just exactly like the president would

00:18:44.720 reason through it. I have to say, you make a terrific case. I come at it from a

00:18:50.880 a little different direction. I don't understand how the National Archivist suddenly has the power

00:18:56.800 to bring in the Justice Department and create holy hell for a former president. 1.00

00:19:02.240 William Moore, Jr.: That's it. 0.99

00:19:03.440 William Moore, Jr.: I mean, this is ridiculous. 0.95

00:19:05.520 William Moore, Jr.: That's it. Why did they refer it to the Justice Department? 0.82

00:19:09.360 William Moore, Jr.: Why did they, A, not rent the facility? Why did they not take the actions

00:19:15.360 necessary to smooth the transition? Then once they found this stuff, why did they call DOJ as opposed

00:19:25.200 to calling ODNI? I mean, it would make much more sense to call ODNI and say, hey, there's some

00:19:32.560 documents that were found out of place. Can you go and take a look at this and see if there's any more?

00:19:39.120 William Moore, Jr.: I think the only reason that makes any sense is they intended to harass

00:19:43.760 William Moore, Jr.: And assail this president, President Donald Trump. This is an act that's been

00:19:51.440 coordinated between the attorneys, to me, quite obviously. It's been an organized effort. Suddenly,

00:20:01.680 President Biden's attorneys are being notified and they just happened to discover some documents on

00:20:07.200 the 2nd of November after raiding the president's Mar-a-Lago residence on the 8th of August. I mean,

00:20:15.040 we're in la-la land with these people. This is far too much coincidence.

00:20:20.640 William Moore, Jr.: You know, it's interesting when you mentioned juvenile, you know, without denigrating

00:20:26.160 any specific individuals, I will say that the team that the Jack Smith inherited, and I say inherited,

00:20:36.000 not assembled, because what we're talking about here is the people from the National Security Division

00:20:42.400 who originally started this whole investigation. And then once Merrick Garland decided to appoint Jack

00:20:48.080 Smith, from my perspective, it didn't change anything. I was still dealing with the same people.

00:20:55.840 And in fact, it was quite a long time before they even changed their signature blocks. I mean,

00:21:01.840 for a month after Jack Smith was appointed, they were still signing subpoenas as, you know,

00:21:07.840 being part of the National Security Division. And so really, you know, to me, Jack Smith is,

00:21:14.800 you know, he's an additional layer of decision making in between them and Merrick Garland. And he's

00:21:21.680 somewhat of a fig leaf to try to claim that this is an independent investigation. But the reality is,

00:21:27.440 the people who began this investigation under Merrick Garland at the request of National Archives

00:21:34.080 are still doing it. And quite frankly, from everything I've seen, when I compare their conduct

00:21:42.800 of this investigation to how I would normally, you know, rate, you know, the US Attorney's offices from,

00:21:49.280 say, the Southern or Eastern District of New York, that are actual criminal investigators and criminal

00:21:53.840 prosecutors, it is very different how they handle this case. And I think that that is one of the

00:22:02.640 the unseen themes here is that when you have National Security Division attorneys playing

00:22:10.160 criminal prosecutor and using tools that they're not, you know, really experienced in using,

00:22:18.080 it creates a very different environment than what you would normally have in a criminal investigation.

00:22:27.120 Well, that's interesting. And I see precisely what what you mean. There is so much that is

00:22:35.200 different about the situation. It's not just atmospherics, it's processes, it's elements.

00:22:39.680 I want to turn to the issue of these documents that are sealed, the things you can't talk about,

00:22:47.520 obviously, defending the President of the United States. You actually were called to testify before

00:22:56.640 the grand jury on this documents case. Can you talk about that?

00:23:05.600 Sure. So I'll quarrel with one thing that you said there. I was not actually called. I went.

00:23:14.480 Okay.

00:23:14.800 They asked for a custodian of records for the Office of the Former President, which is a,

00:23:21.760 it's an entity that's created under the Former Presidents Act, you know, to be an office that would,

00:23:26.720 that every former President has. They were hoping probably for some Mar-a-Lago staffer to come in and

00:23:36.240 that they could beat up on how little they knew about where documents were. And we discussed it and

00:23:43.120 we made a decision. I chose to personally go in there instead of sending some junior staffer.

00:23:49.520 Because ultimately what they wanted to talk about was our efforts at compliance and I am the one that

00:23:54.000 hired the team and oversaw all efforts at compliance with the subpoena post raid. And so I was the

00:24:01.360 person in the best position to, to give that information to the jury. And as a trial attorney,

00:24:10.160 yeah, I'm not a former prosecutor. I've been on the defense my entire life. I've never been in a grand

00:24:14.480 jury room before. I'm not saying that I wanted to do it for sightseeing purposes, but I talk to juries for

00:24:20.800 a living. And the opportunity to go in there and talk to this grand jury and explain to them

00:24:29.120 what we had actually done and all of the efforts that the President Trump made to ensure that

00:24:37.040 that he was complying and that, you know, really this is not at all a case of, you know, willfully

00:24:44.800 retaining documents, but rather willfully returning documents. And in spite of, as opposed to because

00:24:52.800 of the, um, the aggressive, um, oppositional tactics of the national security division lawyers.

00:25:00.960 Um, yeah, the opportunity to go behind enemy lines and to actually talk directly to their grand jury.

00:25:06.960 I jumped at that opportunity.

00:25:08.320 I can imagine you would. And I have to wonder why in the world they would, I have to, I have to

00:25:16.960 imagine that they were very nervous about having the president's representative, legal representative,

00:25:23.200 walk through the door instead of, as you put it, a, uh, a clerical, uh, person, uh, that they might

00:25:30.320 have otherwise expected from Mar-a-Lago. Well, and, and one of the things that surprised me

00:25:35.920 when I went in there and they did not want me, they, they fought to try and get somebody else

00:25:40.640 in there, but they didn't have a choice. They got me. Um, one of the things I was shocked at

00:25:45.920 is the willingness with which they were openly misleading the jury and committing misconduct

00:25:54.880 right in front of me. Uh, and obviously I'm not a, I'm not a very, you know, passive or meek

00:26:02.800 witness. Every time they did it, I, I pointed it out. Um, but if they're willing to do that

00:26:10.400 in front of me, what are they doing to the other witnesses? What are they doing when I'm not in the

00:26:16.080 room? What are they doing to witnesses that aren't lawyers and they don't know any better? Um, you know,

00:26:22.960 we, we had a lot of very tense exchanges in there where they would ask completely improper questions,

00:26:28.240 and I would tell them that it's an improper question. And then they would, you know, turn to

00:26:31.920 the jury and say, so you're refusing to provide this information to them. Like, no, I'm not refusing

00:26:37.440 to provide anything. You're asking a question that calls for privilege. I'm ethically prohibited from

00:26:42.800 answering that question. Even if I wanted to, even if it's something that's helpful, I am, my license

00:26:48.960 prohibits me from answering that question without checking with the client first. And you know,

00:26:53.120 you're an attorney. And there were a couple of times where actually I may have started

00:26:58.960 cross-examining the prosecutor in front of the grand jury. And then, you know, her assistant had

00:27:03.840 to jump in and save her to remind everybody that I was the witness because it was just, it was persistent,

00:27:11.600 wrongful conduct.

00:27:14.720 It's funny. Can you share an example of, uh, their improper questioning?

00:27:21.120 Oh, sure. I mean, and just to be clear, there are sealing orders that would prohibit me from

00:27:27.600 talking about any of the alleged litigation over privilege issues. But when it comes to

00:27:32.880 what happens within the grand jury, um, things that happen inside the grand jury room are secret,

00:27:39.680 but that secrecy order does not apply to the witness. So I am allowed to talk about this stuff.

00:27:44.560 Um, and they would, they would consistently be asking me about my conversations with the president.

00:27:51.760 And of course, I would continuously tell them that I couldn't do that. And at one point,

00:27:56.000 she actually asked me, well, you know, there are exceptions to privilege, right? Yeah. And in fact,

00:28:01.200 the client can waive the privilege. I said, yes. And she says, and if the president's being so

00:28:06.640 cooperative, why hasn't he allowed you to share his conversations with the grand jury today?

00:28:11.120 Now, had that question been asked in a trial jury trial, the judge would have flown down from the

00:28:21.200 bench and immediately, you know, immediately declared a mistrial. And yet here, nothing.

00:28:30.560 Yeah. Instead, I just looked at her and I said,

00:28:32.160 are you really doing this? And she said, yes. And so I had to turn to the jury to explain to them how

00:28:40.880 completely and totally improper and unconstitutional that question is. There are constitutional rights,

00:28:48.400 which we have to respect. And if somebody is invoking one of those constitutional rights,

00:28:53.040 that is not something that anyone in the criminal justice system can use against them.

00:28:57.600 And the fact that the president has not waived his privilege to allow me to come in and tell about

00:29:04.560 all my conversations with him to even suggest that that is evidence of guilt is complete and total

00:29:10.640 misconduct. And in fact, because we got this one tiny window into what happened there, I wouldn't be

00:29:18.720 surprised if we eventually get to the point of being able to see all of these grand jury transcripts and

00:29:24.720 find out that there's persistent misconduct throughout. So is pervasive that the entire

00:29:31.280 grand jury proceedings are tainted and need to be tossed out.

00:29:36.720 And if you toss out the proceedings, you toss out the charges, do you? Not if they were to be

00:29:41.040 charges. Right. It's a defective grand jury proceeding.

00:29:43.680 So this is, in everything, there seems to be, as you described, obviously the woman prosecutor who was

00:29:55.440 talking before the grand jury. I mean, she's an absolute zealot just by the nature of what she was 1.00

00:30:04.320 doing. Only a zealot would go so far as to trample constitutional rights of a president and with his

00:30:12.080 attorney and the chair before. And that's exactly the issue is that ordinarily in grand jury, when

00:30:17.200 somebody objects to a question and invokes a privilege, ordinary prosecutors drop the question

00:30:23.840 to move on. If they want to get that answer and if they believe that there's an exception to the

00:30:28.480 privilege, they'll deal with it later in a motion to compel. They do not fight with the witness and

00:30:36.000 then try to mislead the jury in front of the jury. It's totally improper.

00:30:41.680 And I don't know if this is improper of me to ask, but did you notice the reaction of the jury to

00:30:50.160 to that particular incident, that episode in her questioning of you?

00:30:56.240 William Moore, Jr.: I think that the jury was a little bit surprised. And that may be more that

00:31:04.000 they were surprised at my response than the question. But then obviously, I don't want to

00:31:11.440 talk too much about, you know, this specific jury, but they, you know, I think that they were definitely,

00:31:19.600 you know, a jury is what it is supposed to be. It's a cross section of society.

00:31:23.760 William Moore, Jr.: And, you know, some people are more receptive to certain things than others. Some

00:31:29.840 people have certain beliefs. And I do think that they saw that this was improper. And if they didn't,

00:31:38.560 then, you know, that's probably the conditioning that they've been putting them through with this.

00:31:44.960 William Moore, Jr.: And this, this has been nothing less than a, an attack on executive privilege,

00:31:53.200 the president's privileges. I mean, Beryl Howell, you go through.

00:31:57.520 William Moore, Jr.: Have you ever seen a case with so much litigation over privileges? I mean,

00:32:02.080 if you can't, if you can't make a case without piercing every single privilege

00:32:07.680 out there, we've gone for attorney client, we've gone for executive, we've gone for

00:32:11.360 speech and debate. I'm waiting for them to subpoena his priest and his doctor next so that

00:32:16.960 they could test those privileges too. William Moore, Jr.: Well, don't give them any ideas,

00:32:22.720 because it is. William Moore, Jr.: The priest and the doctor have nothing to say other than he's

00:32:26.640 completely innocent, so. William Moore, Jr.: Right. It's just extraordinary. And the American

00:32:31.760 people, I mean, we are, I certainly will not speak for America, but I have to say a huge number of

00:32:38.000 Americans. Certainly those who supported Donald Trump, who support him today, are stunned that

00:32:46.080 we're watching a president stripped of the powers of his office while he was a sitting president,

00:32:52.480 because he was, I mean, he was undercut at every turn by intelligence agencies, by the FBI,

00:33:00.320 by attorneys, a form of lawfare at the federal level, dealing with the executive. And now as a post

00:33:05.520 president, he is being told he will have to put on sackcloth and ashes for, for conduct that he did

00:33:15.840 not, that he's not guilty of, and hope to hell that they get at least a reasonable grand jury that

00:33:23.680 will protect him from these zealot prosecutors who love to persecute him and have for seven years.

00:33:30.800 Is that an unfair statement? William Moore, Jr.: Well, I mean, I think that it's not only that.

00:33:35.840 Obviously, the appellate courts are there, but one of the interesting things that, again,

00:33:41.840 something I don't normally deal with in these cases is that here you have a companion case, if you will,

00:33:50.640 where the documents in Mar-a-Lago were in boxes that were brought down.

00:33:57.200 William Moore, Jr.: They were only there for two years. And then you have a companion case where

00:34:03.680 the documents were there for more like seven years. And the documents that were moved from

00:34:12.480 one location to another, some put into folders marked personal and then brought inside the house,

00:34:16.720 some left outside by the Corvette, some moved over to the office in DC. And so,

00:34:21.520 William Moore, Jr.: When you look at the criminal statute, which criminalizes willful retention

00:34:29.280 of national security information, I think that you actually have a lot more evidence

00:34:36.800 in a lot of ways of willful retention there. And so, if you're going to try to criminalize this behavior,

00:34:43.680 William Moore, Jr.: You know, there's multiple cases. But at the same time, is it a good idea

00:34:53.520 to criminalize this? Or is it a better idea to just get all of these documents under government

00:35:00.080 control? Make sure that you do an assessment to see whether there's been any damage, see whether any of

00:35:06.160 it's been sold to business partners overseas or things like that. But ultimately, to contain it, can you

00:35:16.720 actually indict a former president while allowing the current president to pass without any accountability

00:35:26.720 whatsoever or vice versa? It's one of the reasons why I sit here and say, I don't think that either one

00:35:34.400 of them should be charged, because if one of them gets charged, then politically, you have to charge

00:35:39.600 them both. William Moore, Jr.: Yeah. I think that you make a terrific case, except I have a question.

00:35:48.560 William Moore, Jr.: Sure. William Moore, Jr.: And that is, President Trump has the power to declassify documents.

00:35:56.400 William Moore, Jr.: He was the only one amongst those that had that power because he's contemporaneous to

00:36:04.160 all of this. Joe Biden goes back 50 years, apparently, 40 to 50 years. He not only had all of the places

00:36:12.720 that you described for the classified documents in his possession, but then it turns out, what was it,

00:36:18.960 nine boxes were in his attorney, Patrick's office, up in Boston. That means a lot of people were looking at a

00:36:26.160 lot of classified documents over that time. They surely weren't all class had appropriate security

00:36:33.920 clearances. This is a mess that seems to me starts with the archivists and with the

00:36:41.440 intelligence agencies themselves, because these documents should never have gone anywhere. They

00:36:48.640 didn't know where they were going. And if they have no system to know whether they've been returned,

00:36:53.920 this is mindlessness of a huge order.

00:36:58.240 William Moore, Jr.: There's another aspect to this. I don't know how much more time you have

00:37:04.800 before I open this Pandora's box, but- William Moore, Jr.: Always time for a Pandora's box opening.

00:37:09.680 William Moore, Jr.: You talk about classified material. And, of course, I talk about documents

00:37:16.480 with classification markings, because a lot of these may have been declassified. But ultimately,

00:37:23.200 the statute that we're looking at is silent as to classification. It talks about the willful retention of

00:37:31.760 national defense information, which is defined as something that the individual

00:37:39.680 has reason to believe the disclosure of which would be damaging to national security or helpful to

00:37:46.560 our adversaries. Classification, all that is is evidence of somebody's opinion of whether it

00:37:55.440 constitutes national defense information. William Moore, Jr.: Right. William Moore, Jr.: There is an epidemic

00:38:01.440 of over-classification in this country. And I saw some recent figures where the

00:38:08.240 William Moore, Jr.: Nonprofit was challenging the declassification of certain documents and found

00:38:14.240 that it was up to 70% over-classification. William Moore, Jr.: We don't classify things just because

00:38:23.440 the disclosure of it would be damaging to national security. Oftentimes, we classify things because they

00:38:28.240 would be embarrassing. William Moore, Jr.: And so really, that's a whole separate issue of how many of

00:38:35.040 these documents really should be classified. William Moore, Jr.: How many of these documents really should

00:38:41.360 still be classified? I'll give you an example. William Moore, Jr.: I went through all 15 boxes that were

00:38:47.280 returned to NARA. William Moore, Jr.: And so I saw all of the stuff that was in there. I saw the sheets where they

00:38:55.120 removed the marked documents. William Moore, Jr.: And I'm not going to speak to the documents themselves,

00:39:02.240 but when it comes to certain things, let's talk about schedules. William Moore, Jr.: Presidential schedule

00:39:08.880 is often unclassified, but certainly there are sensitivities to it. Sometimes it is classified.

00:39:14.320 William Moore, Jr.: For example, tomorrow we're going to fly to Afghanistan so you can have

00:39:19.840 Thanksgiving dinner with the troops. William Moore, Jr.: That is a highly classified fact.

00:39:24.960 William Moore, Jr.: Sure. William Moore, Jr.: Because the last thing we want the Taliban to know is that

00:39:28.720 the juiciest target in the world is right about to fly overhead within RPG range. Okay? But the moment he

00:39:39.600 walks into the dining hall and is surrounded by all these troops and by all the TV cameras,

00:39:46.480 William Moore, Jr.: The concept that he's flying to Afghanistan is no longer the state secret.

00:39:53.440 William Moore, Jr.: So is this is the daily schedule that he was given the day before this is tomorrow

00:39:57.920 we're flying to Afghanistan. Should that still be classified?

00:40:01.440 William Moore, Jr.: Well, I've just landed on one possibility and you,

00:40:07.520 as you described, why oftentimes documents are classified, it's because they're embarrassing.

00:40:13.120 William Moore, Jr.: And I think nothing creates greater angst amongst the permanent bureaucracy,

00:40:18.960 the deep state, than the possibility of being embarrassed. And this looks to me like a case

00:40:27.120 where the president was in possession of documents. The only thing that, to me, the only thing that makes

00:40:32.560 any sense is that Merrick Garland, President Biden, Christopher Wray must have created, gotten a

00:40:43.520 hold of a pretty good case of agita over something that they thought was in the president's possession

00:40:48.320 that they didn't want out.

00:40:49.520 William Moore, Jr.: A document of recovery operation related to a crossfire hurricane, perhaps?

00:40:54.880 William Moore, Jr.: That would be right on.

00:41:02.560 William Moore, Jr.: Maybe.

00:41:03.120 William Moore, Jr.: Maybe.

00:41:04.240 William Moore, Jr.: I was hoping for an affirmative.

00:41:07.680 William Moore, Jr.: I have not seen, I have not been given access to the documents the DOJC, so I can't,

00:41:14.240 I can neither confirm nor deny because I lack the information. But, you know, I will tell you that a

00:41:20.000 lot of the stuff that I saw in NARA is very innocuous stuff. You know, it's like, and those boxes,

00:41:27.680 they made so much sense as you're going through them because, you know, it's the daily newspaper.

00:41:35.600 It's his daily schedule. And sometimes you'd see, okay, so, you know, today you have a call with

00:41:43.760 President Macron this afternoon. And then there'd be, you know, a removal sheet there saying, you know,

00:41:50.080 we've removed the classified briefing sheet in advance of your call with President Macron.

00:41:56.320 William Moore, Jr.: And sometimes what those sheets are is, you know, let's set Macron to the side for a

00:42:03.680 second. Let's say that he was going to have a call with, say, President Zelensky. And let's say that

00:42:10.560 some Lieutenant Colonel on the National Security Council wrote up a script of these are the questions

00:42:16.160 that this Lieutenant Colonel would like you to ask President Zelensky. Those questions would be the,

00:42:24.400 you know, theoretically, would be the classified briefing that, of course, once he's asked those

00:42:29.360 questions to President Zelensky, it's no longer classified because, obviously, we just told a

00:42:35.280 foreign individual, you know, everything that was on that sheet. And I use that one for an example

00:42:41.440 because, obviously, that was the subject of the first impeachment trial was that that particular

00:42:47.440 Lieutenant Colonel got all out of it in listening to the call that the President didn't follow his

00:42:55.680 script and didn't ask only the questions that the Lieutenant Colonel wanted the President to ask. So,

00:43:03.120 that's a situation that, and I bring it up more just because it's something that we're familiar with,

00:43:11.280 we saw in the impeachment trial. But that's a lot of what this stuff is. And so it's not like,

00:43:21.600 it's stuff that would have been on his desk at the time, that somebody then put into a box,

00:43:28.320 and then they taped it up and packed it away. It's, you know, there's nothing about that that says,

00:43:36.800 oh, you know, this is a secret that I want to hoard. You know, I want to,

00:43:42.240 I want to keep this because I think it's a great souvenir. It goes back to the same thing. And I bet,

00:43:50.240 I would be willing to bet that the Biden docs and the Pence docs are very similar.

00:43:56.320 And, you know, very innocuous stuff, not, you know, some of it probably should already be

00:44:06.080 declassified. Some of it probably shouldn't have been classified to begin with.

00:44:09.600 Yeah. And to think what this President went through in those final months of his presidency,

00:44:16.720 uh, uh, uh, because he was running for president re-election to the presidency. Uh, and, uh,

00:44:24.720 the national security, uh, apparatus produced a letter, uh, the intelligence community, uh,

00:44:31.920 51 veterans signed a letter saying that the, that was not, that was not the national security

00:44:38.720 apparatus. Those were former people. They were outside government. Yeah. Former Intel.

00:44:44.720 They wrote a letter based explicitly saying that it was based on their collective experience and

00:44:52.000 exposure to classified information over the course of their years of service that their analysis

00:45:01.440 based on their access to classified information and their knowledge of classified Russian

00:45:07.200 strategies was that it was Russian disinformation, something that was false

00:45:11.760 false. And something that was something that for them to have done that without

00:45:19.920 first bringing it to the CIA and to these other agencies to say, Hey, we would like to publish a

00:45:25.440 letter that is based on our former access to classified information. And since we've signed a

00:45:31.040 nondisclosure agreement that says, we are not going to do that without providing you the opportunity

00:45:35.520 to review it first. Here's CIA. Could you please review this letter to make sure we're not

00:45:40.960 revealing something classified? They didn't do it. They violated their oath. They violated their

00:45:46.960 contractual obligations to the United States. Um, you know, we filed complaints with all 50,

00:45:53.280 with all the Intel agencies, um, you know, to have them investigate these people for violation

00:45:59.680 of their nondisclosure agreements. Um, violations of nondisclosure agreements like that is something

00:46:05.440 that that does happen, something that does get prosecuted. Um, you know, certainly gets civilly

00:46:11.360 enforced, um, when it's the right person, you know, they started going after John Bolton with his book for

00:46:18.560 failure to get it properly cleared. And then the new administration liked what he had to say. So they

00:46:23.840 dropped it. Uh, Matt Bissonette, um, full disclosure, a client of mine, he wrote a book about the night

00:46:31.360 that he and his friends flew to Pakistan to kill bin Laden. Um, he, his publisher asked him not to get

00:46:41.360 it reviewed because they wanted to rush it to print before Obama's reelection campaign. They gave him a

00:46:46.640 lawyer who told him you're allowed to do this. And then because it was embarrassing to the Obama

00:46:55.040 White House, because it did not match the narrative that they wanted to put out through their zero dark

00:47:01.120 30 movie and everything else. They went after him, the guy who had put his life on the line countless

00:47:08.400 times for this country, the guy who had suffered injuries in combat, a guy who almost died many times.

00:47:17.280 They destroyed his life. They brought him into court. They ended up taking everything from him,

00:47:24.880 taking all of his, um, all the revenue from the book to the government, all because they didn't

00:47:32.480 like what he had to say. And yet these 51 violated the exact same agreement. They did the exact same thing.

00:47:44.000 And nothing has happened to them yet. I wonder if it's because they were under orders from a, 0.91

00:47:50.720 from a former president. Uh, well, if they, if it was something that was done in coordination with a

00:47:56.960 campaign, um, who then shortly thereafter became president, then that would be properly the subject of

00:48:06.960 an investigation by the federal elections commission. But that didn't happen. Actually,

00:48:12.880 it is happening. Well, it didn't happen in time. I'll put it that way.

00:48:16.720 We filed, we filed the complaint. The investigation is ongoing right now.

00:48:21.440 And, uh, when did you file a complaint?

00:48:25.200 A couple of weeks ago.

00:48:26.560 Okay. And what I'm talking about is the fall of 2020.

00:48:29.440 Tim, it's been a great, uh, honor to have you with us. We appreciate it. Enjoyed our conversation.

00:48:34.640 We always give our guests the, the last word. And I do mean the last word. Uh, I will not,

00:48:40.320 no matter how tempted, uh, offer up a rebuttal or qualification of any kind, uh, for your concluding

00:48:47.040 thoughts, please. Yeah. My, my concluding thoughts here really are that if you're going to go after

00:48:54.640 somebody, whether they are a politician or not, you have to do it cleanly. You have to do it in accordance

00:49:01.360 with the law. And whenever prosecutors, uh, DOJ steps outside of that and starts to, uh, violate the

00:49:11.040 law, violate the constitution, um, you know, you've lost the moral high ground. And if you're not going

00:49:19.120 to do it cleanly, then you shouldn't be doing it at all. And you should expect that somebody

00:49:24.480 like me is going to be standing in between you and, and whoever you are trying to, to go after

00:49:31.840 with these unlawful tactics. Um, and that has nothing to do with any political party or any

00:49:37.760 individual that, that applies across the board. So, um, the special counsel's office needs to really

00:49:45.360 knock it off. Well said, Tim Parlatori. Great to have you with us here on the great America show again.

00:49:52.040 Thanks and good luck to you. And to, of course, President Donald Trump. Thanks for being with us,

00:49:57.340 everybody here tomorrow. We take up the astonishing Pentagon leak of top secret Intel documents,

00:50:04.280 documents that could affect the Ukrainians and their defense against the Russians Intel on China

00:50:10.060 and the Middle East that could have a major impact on U S foreign policy and national security.

00:50:15.780 former NSA intelligence analyst, Russ Tice joins us here to assess those documents and what is wrong

00:50:23.120 with this Biden regime and its many disasters. Please join us here tomorrow. Till then,

00:50:29.380 God bless you and God bless America.

The Great America Show - April 11, 2023

TRUMP ATTORNEY WARNS SPECIAL COUNSEL HE'D BETTER KEEP HIS INVESTIGATION CLEAN!

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