The Great America Show - TRUMP CHANGED THE G.O.P AND IT'S NEVER GOING BACK

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.180 It's great to have you with us.

00:00:06.340 Thanks so much for joining us today in these important times politically and both foreign

00:00:12.500 policy wise.

00:00:14.080 It seems Joe Biden and his administration are doing all they can to beat the World War

00:00:19.420 III drum.

00:00:20.220 And they've been doing it for the last almost four years now of his lame duck administration.

00:00:25.160 But it seems they've sort of ramped it up as he's leaving office, particularly with

00:00:31.200 Ukraine and Russia and that war going on over there.

00:00:35.420 Now, I don't know if it has anything to do with the money his son has made off of Ukraine.

00:00:39.580 And that has something to do with why he's been so happy and eager to keep sending them

00:00:46.200 money, even offering them another twenty four billion dollars as he walks out the door,

00:00:52.380 which is almost certainly going to piss Russia off even more as if the American made weapons 0.84

00:00:59.980 and rockets being launched into their country weren't enough.

00:01:03.720 He now wants to send him more money.

00:01:05.660 Thanks to the good Lord, Mike Johnson, finally doing his job over in the House of Representatives,

00:01:11.480 saying no dice for that twenty four billion dollars.

00:01:14.460 I'm not planning to do that.

00:01:26.720 There are developments by the hour in Ukraine.

00:01:29.160 I think as we predicted and as I said to all of you weeks before the election, if Donald Trump

00:01:34.960 is elected, it will change that the dynamic of the Russia war on Ukraine.

00:01:39.860 And we're seeing that happen. So it is not the place of Joe Biden to make that decision.

00:01:44.280 Now, we have a newly elected president and we're going to wait and take the new commander

00:01:48.940 in chief's direction on all of that. So I don't expect any Ukraine funding to come up.

00:01:54.140 Good on Mike Johnson of about time doing his job.

00:01:57.900 It's taken him long enough to get to that point where he's ready to grow a backbone and speak

00:02:04.020 out against this regime.

00:02:05.360 You know, I've said it multiple times on the show and Lou said it before he passed away

00:02:11.320 that we need to keep Johnson on a short leash.

00:02:14.760 These congressional terms are only two years long and, you know, a lot of time can be wasted

00:02:20.620 in two years. So he's got to hit the ground running on January 20th.

00:02:24.580 And within weeks, I give it weeks, if he can't seem to coordinate with President Trump

00:02:31.360 on how we're going to move forward in this administration, President Trump has got to move

00:02:36.200 on from him and seek the next best option in Congress to take over as Speaker of the House.

00:02:41.320 We have no time to waste. Two years comes and it goes very fast.

00:02:44.760 And there's no guarantee that in two years, the Republicans will be able to hold the House.

00:02:48.580 Historically, it shows that they will lose the House.

00:02:51.400 So we've really only got two years if we look at it from a realistic standpoint to get everything done

00:02:57.840 that President Trump wants to get done, whether we build the wall, get through government funding

00:03:03.560 that gets rid of DEI and all this woke ideology garbage out of our institutions and our systems.

00:03:09.820 In other news, the Biden White House is reportedly considering preemptive pardons for a few folks.

00:03:16.780 One of them, Adam Schiff, another Liz Cheney, and another one, Dr. Anthony Fauci.

00:03:21.300 Now, the Marxist left constantly say that these people should be pardoned, but they also say

00:03:26.500 at the same time they've done no crimes. So if they've done no crimes, why is the Marxist left

00:03:32.260 and the mainstream media so set on getting these people pardons?

00:03:37.120 You know, it doesn't really make much sense. Over at the DOJ, Merrick Garland is reportedly

00:03:42.700 begging the deep state lawyers who work over there to remain at the DOJ, saying that the

00:03:47.660 department needs their, quote, institutional knowledge. So now that should come as a red flag

00:03:52.700 to the incoming administration and for the folks who are going to be running that DOJ to go ahead

00:03:57.280 and find those, quote, institutional lawyers and get them the hell out of there on day one

00:04:01.940 because they do not belong there. Merrick Garland's asking them to stay. It means they're the first ones 0.93

00:04:06.520 who, in fact, need to go. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They've got to go. On a side note,

00:04:13.260 there's a report out that 21 of George Soros' backed prosecutors that he funded millions of dollars

00:04:19.380 to some of them have been ousted since 2022. That's 21 of them. So things are looking optimistic

00:04:27.520 for this country with President Trump's decisive victory exactly a month ago today. And it looks

00:04:33.380 like America's moving in the right direction. We need to continue to do so in the next elections

00:04:38.720 coming up in 2026 and 2028 as well. Also looking forward to those Senate elections that are coming

00:04:48.200 up in 2026. We've really got to drain the swamp. And I'm going to take that up here with our guests

00:04:53.360 today in just a few moments. Our guest today is one of our weekly favorites who joins us here each and

00:04:59.320 every week on the Great America Show. The great Roger Stone. He's the host of the Stone Zone podcast

00:05:04.780 each and every night on Rumble. You can go to StoneZone.com or you can go to Rumble at the Stone

00:05:10.820 Zone. The great Roger Stone. Roger, it's great to have you back with us here on the Great America

00:05:15.000 Show. It's been some time. We went past a holiday. I was on vacation. But now, you know, I was having

00:05:20.600 Roger withdrawals. I was coming back on the plane from Africa and I was scratching my neck and I

00:05:25.820 couldn't get to you fast enough. So here we are. Welcome back. I want to get to something first

00:05:30.540 that we've been hearing a lot over the last few days. And it's that Pete Heggset, the SECDEF

00:05:35.380 nominee, may soon be dropping out of the race for political pressure from the left. And we may soon

00:05:42.500 see your good friend, Ron DeSantis scoop on in. This is, of course, unconfirmed reports. I want to play

00:05:49.500 for the audience a clip of Roger warning us about DeSantis back in 2022, long before he decided to make the 0.99

00:05:55.580 stupid move to primary Donald Trump for that 2024 nomination. Take a listen. 0.97

00:06:00.500 Roger, this is long before he showed his true colors. And I think the saying Lou used to use is

00:06:21.720 every dog has its fleas. Go ahead. Well, I think it's important for people to review the history

00:06:27.980 because maybe some people who don't live in Florida don't remember it. But when Ron DeSantis

00:06:32.980 was running for governor, he was running at about 8 percent in the polls. He was led by the state

00:06:38.540 agriculture commissioner, former congressman Adam Putnam. All 62 Republican county chairmen in Florida

00:06:45.240 endorsed Putnam, DeSantis' opponent. Every single Republican in the state legislature where we had

00:06:51.900 the majority in both houses still do. The Senate president, the Speaker of the House endorsed Ron

00:06:57.220 DeSantis' opponent. Every member of the Republican congressional delegation from Florida, with the

00:07:02.620 exception of Matt Gaetz, endorsed Putnam. And then the truth is, in 2016, when Trump won the Republican

00:07:12.340 nomination for president and DeSantis was running for reelection for Congress, DeSantis refused to endorse

00:07:18.900 Donald Trump. I could show you the video in which he actually says, well, just because we're both on the

00:07:24.080 Republican ticket does not mean I support Donald Trump for president. President Trump had never seen that

00:07:29.900 video. Then after Trump was elected, Ron kind of saw his opportunity to reinvent himself as a defender of Trump

00:07:38.400 in the Russian collusion hoax. And for the first time ever, Donald Trump became aware of who Ron DeSantis

00:07:44.560 was. Of course, he liked what he saw because DeSantis was on Fox and conservative talk radio and other

00:07:51.340 outlets defending Trump on the Russian collusion matter. So Ron DeSantis, as we now know, went and begged

00:07:58.000 Donald Trump for an endorsement. Congressman Gaetz was a major sponsor of that. He urged the president to

00:08:06.540 endorse Ron DeSantis. He did endorse him just in a tweet on TrueSocial and DeSantis' campaign took off like a rocket.

00:08:16.480 He went from eight to 68 almost overnight. His campaign coffers went from being virtually empty to bulging with

00:08:24.380 enough money to win an upset victory in the primary. Now, because Ron is not a strong candidate, he was locked in a very,

00:08:33.640 very close general election. And President Donald Trump had to change his schedule three times to come to Florida

00:08:40.680 in the final two weeks of the 2018 election to literally drag Ron DeSantis over the finish line.

00:08:47.560 And we elected a Republican governor who I voted for. Early after Trump losing or being cheated out of the 2020 election,

00:08:59.580 when President Trump made it pretty clear he intended to run again, I began to hear reports that Ron DeSantis

00:09:05.520 was planning to challenge the man who made him. Now, let's be very clear. Without Donald Trump,

00:09:11.860 Ron DeSantis would be managing a McDonald's someplace. But instead, he gets to be governor of Florida.

00:09:17.380 At 42 years old, you would think that he would have some loyalty to the man who made his career.

00:09:24.700 But unfortunately, he didn't have that loyalty. He mounted a very, very expensive challenge. He spent

00:09:30.280 $30 million in an attempt to defeat Donald Trump. If you go back and look at the closing days of that

00:09:39.120 contest, he got very nasty and personal in his attacks on the president. And he was ignominiously

00:09:45.440 defeated. So my problem here is loyalty. Now, people keep saying, ah, but he's a good,

00:09:51.860 he's a great governor. And then I check and the people who tell me that live in Ohio or Florida

00:09:57.060 or Texas or California. Our utility rates are through the roof. Could that be because Ron DeSantis

00:10:05.140 took nine and a half million dollars from Florida Power and Light and his subsidiaries for his various

00:10:10.740 political committees when he was running for president? Our insurance rates are astronomical.

00:10:17.520 The insurance bill for my single 2016 Lincoln Continental that has 98,000 miles on it has tripled

00:10:27.400 in the last two years. And we have a rising crime problem in this state. So look, this is just to me,

00:10:35.380 it's a simple question of loyalty. I believe in loyalty. At 42 years old, Governor DeSantis could

00:10:42.060 have waited his turn and he could certainly have run. But these stories you refer to saying that he

00:10:50.100 will be the next secretary of defense, I can find no basis for them. I've made some calls early this

00:10:56.060 morning to people who would be in a position to know. They tell me that it is a baseless speculation.

00:11:02.060 Beyond the fact that that there's there is no indication that Pete Hegseth is throwing in the

00:11:08.240 towel. He said this morning that he's going to continue to fight. I believe he will continue to

00:11:12.600 fight. I support his nomination. I think he is the target of character assassination. This New Yorker

00:11:19.060 piece on him is an outrage. It is. It's a collection of lies and falsehoods and smears. And Hegseth looks to

00:11:26.980 me like he's a brawler. He's not looking to me like a man who walks away from a fight.

00:11:30.400 Right. So any any second guessing over who might replace him, you know, that is exactly that

00:11:37.560 second guessing. You know, the whole issue with DeSantis, the mistake he made, a lot of people said

00:11:43.560 it was his wife who was his unofficial advisor who made him run. Now, you know, I know a lot of

00:11:48.540 political advisors, none as dumb as that, who would ever go up against Donald Trump. And it's just for 0.97

00:11:53.680 the sheer reason of how powerful he is. You know, Roger, we look to now President Trump comes in until

00:11:58.760 2028. These guys after 2028, these guys who are just lazy SOBs are going to have a very tough time 0.98

00:12:04.960 after that, because I think probably after Donald Trump's done with his second term, he's probably

00:12:09.100 going to want to finally retire somewhat once and for all, you know, go golfing, run his business a

00:12:14.640 little bit. I don't think he's probably going to want to be involved in politics, something that's

00:12:18.620 almost destroyed his life, almost something that's almost taken his life now two times.

00:12:22.000 So these rhinos are going to have a very, very tough time. Do you think in the next four years, we just

00:12:30.280 saw this guy Durante lose his seat in California. He was a rhino, but he's probably stolen seat from 0.99

00:12:36.380 him, took a month, over a month to count the votes. Do you think we'll see over the now the next four

00:12:42.220 years, President Trump and his team of folks like Elon Musk start to weed out some of these rhinos who 1.00

00:12:48.360 have just absolutely destroyed the party, Roger? You know, I can be honest with you, John, I think

00:12:54.000 Donald Trump has fundamentally changed the nature of the Republican Party, and it's never going back.

00:12:59.900 We're never again going to be the party of Wall Street. We're never going to be the party of the

00:13:04.000 country club. We're never going to be the party of the moneyed elites or the globalists. We're never

00:13:09.980 going to be the party of war or the party of censorship. Those days are over. The days that we were the

00:13:17.200 party of the country club, Bush Republicans, those days are done. The new Republican Party,

00:13:24.920 or I should say the new MAGA movement, which is broader and larger and more powerful than the

00:13:29.520 Republican Party, is the party of the middle class. It's the party of working people. It's the party of

00:13:34.880 common sense. It's the party of low energy prices. It's the party of spending cuts. It's the party of

00:13:41.600 tax reduction. It's the party of lower inflation. And most importantly, it's the party of peace.

00:13:48.260 It's going to be the party that stands for secure borders. And then I expect Donald Trump will crack

00:13:53.940 down on the drug crisis in this country and the crime crisis in this country. So it's never going

00:14:01.680 back. If you're some country club Republican thinking, well, we just have to wait Trump out.

00:14:07.600 You don't understand the sea change that's taking place here. Secondarily, J.D. Vance has

00:14:16.220 four years to prove himself. He proved himself in a tremendous debate with his opponent. He proved

00:14:21.980 himself on the campaign trail. He's off to a very strong start. I think Donald Trump could have no

00:14:27.800 better partner. There's a level of trust there based, I think, largely on the senator's excellent

00:14:33.720 record in the Senate where he proved that he's not a neocon. He's not a country club Republican.

00:14:39.740 They hate him because he went to Yale. Give me a break. This guy had to fight for everything he's

00:14:46.000 ever gotten. He comes from a hardscrabble, hardscrabbed background. He comes from a very

00:14:50.960 troubled childhood, family-wise. He's fought and earned for everything he has. He's been a tremendous

00:14:58.280 success, a success in business, a proud military veteran who served his country with honor,

00:15:05.300 who won himself a seat in the Senate. And then when he went to the Senate, like Trump, he did

00:15:10.180 exactly what he said he was going to do when he was running for the Senate. How incredibly rare.

00:15:14.820 So I think there is a potentially a strong candidate there. You have new stars in this party. Look at

00:15:21.280 Tulsi Gabbard, who's now a Republican, formerly a Democrat. She left the Democrat Party because when she 0.98

00:15:27.360 joined that party, that was the party of peace and the part of civil liberties and the party of civil

00:15:32.160 rights, the party of free speech. But she doesn't recognize her old party because those who used to

00:15:38.160 follow Kennedy and Truman now follow Marx and Lenin. And she realizes that the Republican Party is where

00:15:44.920 it's at in terms of peace and prosperity and security and justice. So I think we have not only

00:15:52.300 in Vice President Vance, a strong potential presidential candidate, but in people like

00:15:58.820 Tulsi Gabbard, strong national candidates, I expect she'll be a candidate for vice president, 1.00

00:16:04.000 president someday. I think that the future is very bright for the MAGA wing, the dominant wing

00:16:11.640 of the Republican Party. Now, if I were a senator, say from, oh, I don't know, let's say South Dakota,

00:16:18.560 and I was up in 2026, I think long and hard about voting against Kash Patel as the FBI director or

00:16:27.100 Tulsi Gabbard as the national director of intelligence or Pete Hegseth as the secretary

00:16:33.200 of defense, because the people have spoken and it wasn't a whisper. The people have spoken loud and

00:16:38.820 clear. A president is entitled to his nominees. That's why our system works. Unless the nominee has

00:16:45.020 done something illegal or dishonest, you're not supposed to vote against them on the basis of

00:16:49.460 your disagreement with their political philosophy. Nope. But that's what's being talked about here.

00:16:54.600 When you see senators like James Lankford of Oklahoma saying that, you know, he has reservations about

00:17:03.360 Tulsi Gabbard, really? Senator, did you serve your country in combat in two wars?

00:17:09.420 Right. You know, can you can you say that you have put your life on the line for the United States?

00:17:15.780 Because she can. She's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve who served in combat in both Iraq

00:17:21.840 and Kuwait. Four terms in Congress as a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Armed Services

00:17:28.520 Committee, more than qualified for this job. And to have a senator who didn't serve, whose previous

00:17:36.680 experience was running a Christian summer camp for children, questioning the patriotism and the

00:17:42.480 loyalty of Tulsi Gabbard, that is an outrage. So I say this, if I lived in Oklahoma today, I would go

00:17:51.100 online. I'd find the email address and the phone number for Senator Lankford's office. And I would send

00:17:56.860 him a respectful, polite, respectful message telling him to vote for the president's nominees.

00:18:02.560 Donald Trump carried all 77 counties in Oklahoma. He's the only man in history. He's done it twice

00:18:08.060 now. The people have spoken, Senator. These are the president's nominees. You need to get on board.

00:18:14.340 Yeah, you're absolutely right. The whole the idea of these rhinos just absolutely demolishing this

00:18:19.400 party, I think, as you said, is a way of the past. I want to take a quick break here. And when we come

00:18:24.240 back, I want to talk about some of those folks who are up for reelection in 2026. And one of them was on

00:18:30.140 his way out the door right now, a man who President Trump brought him across the finish line, took him

00:18:35.340 to dance, and then he didn't want to dance. We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone, folks.

00:18:39.220 Stay with us.

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00:19:44.260 Folks, we're back. We're talking with the great Roger Stone, one of our weekly guests here on

00:19:47.960 The Great America Show. We can't get enough of them. Roger, one of our good friends, giving his

00:19:52.720 farewell speech this week as he departs the Senate. Let's take a listen to this psychopath. 0.94

00:19:59.240 There are some today who would tear at our unity, who would replace love with hate,

00:20:05.720 who deride our foundation of virtue, or who debase the values upon which the blessings of heaven depend.

00:20:13.440 Now, I've been in public service for 25 years. I have learned that politics alone cannot measure

00:20:21.940 up to the challenges we face. A country's character is a reflection not just of its elected officials,

00:20:30.380 but also of its people. I leave Washington to return to be one among them and hope to be a voice

00:20:38.980 of unity and virtue. For it is only if the American people merit his benevolence that God

00:20:47.540 will continue to bless America. May he do so is my prayer.

00:20:57.740 Roger, imagine making your farewell speech about the man who created you. This is a man who

00:21:03.020 quite honestly got on his knees with knee pads on. The second he smelled that Trump was teasing him

00:21:09.360 for secretary of state. Trump now tells us after the fact that he was just trolling him and having

00:21:13.980 some fun with it. But nonetheless, he's the one who gave him that seat in Utah. So, you know, he's to

00:21:19.380 thank for it. But Mitt Romney's of the world. Do you think they're finally starting to see the light?

00:21:26.420 Well, I think he's a special case. There is a man who believes in absolutely nothing whatsoever.

00:21:30.920 Ran for the first time for the U.S. Senate in his home state of Massachusetts against Ted Kennedy,

00:21:36.660 was a supporter then of abortion on demand and same-sex marriage. Ran to Kennedy's left. I didn't

00:21:43.520 know there was any room over there. Then ran two disastrous campaigns for president. He had several

00:21:51.560 different debates with Barack Obama, but he was a different person in each debate. Never really quite

00:21:57.600 understood what he believed in. He said he was severely conservative. Well, John, nobody who's

00:22:02.700 a conservative would describe themselves as severely conservative. He's because Mitt Romney's not a

00:22:09.200 conservative. All he believes in nothing other than crony capitalism. And then when a U.S. Senate seat

00:22:15.820 opens up in Utah, he goes to Donald Trump and he begs for the endorsement for that seat. Now,

00:22:23.440 the Republican attorney general of Utah, who'd been planning his entire career to run for that seat,

00:22:29.380 agrees to step aside at the request of President Donald Trump. Trump endorses Mitt Romney. Mitt

00:22:34.660 Romney easily wins a seat in a state in which he has a vacation home, but which he doesn't really live

00:22:40.480 and goes to the U.S. Senate. And then just as his father, George Romney, plunged a knife in the back of

00:22:47.220 Republican nominee Barry Goldwater in 1964, Mitt Romney knifes Donald Trump by voting for his

00:22:54.360 impeachment. He's a man devoid of character. He's a man devoid of talent, in my opinion. He's a

00:23:00.160 disgrace. And his real problem is jealousy. His real problem is jealousy because he prepared his whole 1.00

00:23:07.620 life preparing to become president. He shapeshifted from liberal Republican to moderate Republican to

00:23:15.140 conservative Republican back to liberal Republican. And the people never bought his act and he couldn't

00:23:22.220 get elected. Now comes Donald Trump, who makes it all look so effortless. Trump gets elected simply by

00:23:28.340 being Trump and talking straight to the American people at a time that the American people are tired

00:23:33.980 of politicians and they're tired of the politicians who are constantly changing positions. I mean,

00:23:42.540 Mitt Romney has had more positions than he's had hair colors. I mean, the guy is, he is just as phony 0.97

00:23:48.200 as can be. And the people have seen this. By the way, he left the Senate because he would have lost a 0.97

00:23:53.700 Republican primary in Utah. He could have put millions of his own money in. He said he would have lost the

00:23:59.680 state convention and he would have lost a Republican primary. Trent Staggs, who was a brave mayor who

00:24:05.780 stepped forward when no one else would, unfortunately doesn't win the primary. And the senator,

00:24:12.120 they did elect a guy named Curtis. He's more liberal than Mitt Romney. It's really disgraceful.

00:24:17.700 And he's one of the rhinos we're talking about who is who is talking about voting against the 0.92

00:24:23.540 president's nominees. So it's very strange. Utah is a conservative state. It's a state where Donald

00:24:30.540 Trump is very popular. He won very big in Utah all three times that he was on the ballot.

00:24:36.860 And I think, in all honesty, since there is no provision in Utah law under which a senator can

00:24:45.580 be removed, I thought actually the president should do a rally in Salt Lake City and call on people to

00:24:51.300 sign a petition demanding that Mitt Romney resign from the Senate because he's lost their confidence.

00:24:56.820 Now, he didn't do that, but I kind of wished he had.

00:25:00.440 Roger Stone stirring the pot. That's why I love this man so much. But it's true. You know,

00:25:05.540 I was talking with Mark Mitchell, head pollster for Rasmussen yesterday. And, you know, we'd have

00:25:10.860 to stop normalizing these rhinos. And I made a prediction. You know, the guys like Mitt Romney,

00:25:16.820 Mitt Romney's got the look. And this is why I think a big part of why these people have such

00:25:20.500 Trump derangement syndromes. Like you said, they go according to plan because some become someone's

00:25:26.000 chief of staff in a state legislator. That person then becomes the next legislator. And then they move

00:25:31.480 up to Congress, you go with them and you run the seat. It's a whole circle jerk that these people 0.97

00:25:35.240 follow this formula. Mitt Romney, he had the look to be president. It looks like a man is president, 0.98

00:25:39.580 but this absolutely isn't. Donald Trump doesn't look like a president. I mean, he's the greatest

00:25:43.860 president we've ever had, but doesn't look like your typical president. You know, he's out there,

00:25:47.560 he dances, he has fun and not your typical president because he's not a politician. And I

00:25:52.060 think it drives these people who have planned their whole entire lives, like you said, around

00:25:56.300 the next promotion to become a senator or a congressman or governor. And Donald Trump just

00:26:01.480 comes in with the hacksaw and takes them all out. I want to talk about 2026 because there's a lot of

00:26:06.480 names, Roger, that are up for reelection. And what I was talking with Mark Mitchell about yesterday was

00:26:11.980 that time and time again, we see things happen in the Senate where one bill or one issue decides the

00:26:19.400 fate of that senator. And my prediction was we're going to see a big Trump bill come up in 2025 or early

00:26:24.720 2026 in which Senator will use Susan Collins, for example, is going to be the saving vote for that 0.86

00:26:31.360 bill. And all of a sudden she's now going to become this great Republican. We're all going to forget 0.59

00:26:35.520 about what she's done the last 50 plus years that she's been in politics. So you've got guys like

00:26:41.520 Tom Cotton who are up for your election. Joni Ernst has proved herself to be nothing more than a

00:26:45.900 rhino. Bill Cassidy down in Louisiana, rhino. Susan Collins, as I mentioned, up in Maine, rhino. Mitch 0.91

00:26:52.160 McConnell's up for reelection. The man can't even get two words out without stroking out. Rhino.

00:26:57.220 You've got guys like Mark Wayne Mullen who are threatening some of Trump's picks. Tom Tillis,

00:27:01.960 another one. Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham's on Hannity every single night. Hannity claims to be 0.74

00:27:06.440 a Republican. Why are you having Lindsey Graham on your show every single night? When you know it,

00:27:11.060 Lindsey Graham's a threat to democracy. The guy wants nothing more than wars in the Middle East. 1.00

00:27:15.120 John Cornyn, another one. Mike Rounds. How do we stop normalizing this behavior, Roger, that these

00:27:23.980 guys with 34 percent conservative scores are Republicans? Well, the answer is to challenge

00:27:31.040 them in primaries and make sure that their primary opponents are both qualified and extremely well

00:27:36.040 funded. Now, look, I know Susan Collins. I actually like Susan Collins. I think she's more open-minded

00:27:42.200 than some of the others that you mentioned. That said, she also represents a state that

00:27:48.940 did not go heavily for Donald Trump. But a senator like Rounds, there's no excuse for him not supporting

00:27:56.640 the president's nominees. I bet Donald Trump's approval in South Dakota, I would bet, is probably

00:28:03.360 in the 90s, in all honesty. Cassidy in Louisiana, I think, is going to find himself on the short end of

00:28:10.140 the stick, because Donald Trump is extremely popular in Louisiana. These senators, I think,

00:28:18.480 need to wake up and recognize this is a new party. They can go get all their special interest money,

00:28:24.100 but at the end of the day, a lot of them are going to be endangered. But they can only be defeated

00:28:30.280 if we recruit good men and women to run against them. Now, there's a lot of speculation,

00:28:36.360 which I don't agree with, that since Marco Rubio is leaving the Senate to become Secretary of State,

00:28:43.560 which is an appointment that I support. I live in Florida. I must tell you, he's a very effective

00:28:47.980 senator. He's been very, very good on constituent service. And he's been very tough on the communists

00:28:53.860 in this hemisphere when it comes to Venezuela, when it comes to Cuba. I think he's done a great job.

00:28:59.320 He's worked very closely with the president. Having run against him, unlike some of the others,

00:29:04.480 he's repaired his relationship with the president, and they have an excellent relationship.

00:29:08.720 And I think Marco Rubio understands that as Secretary of State, his job is not to carry out

00:29:13.300 his policies. His job is to carry out and execute the policies of the president. I think he's going

00:29:18.440 to be very good at it. But because he will presumably vacate his seat in the early part of the new term

00:29:27.760 that he's just been elected to, we'll have a special election in 2026 for that seat. Now,

00:29:34.680 there's speculation that Governor DeSantis would appoint Lara Trump. I would love that. I think

00:29:42.240 she'd be a great senator. I think she did a great job at the Republican National Committee. 0.67

00:29:46.040 She's an excellent public speaker. She's a great advocate for her father and the America First

00:29:51.820 policies. She'd be a strong candidate. In the end of the day, I don't think that's going to happen.

00:29:58.600 I think DeSantis will end up appointing a caretaker, somebody who's not going to run for re-election to

00:30:05.060 the seat. And then, which is his right, seek the seat himself in 2026, which is when his term as

00:30:12.940 governor ends. And he cannot run for governor again because we have a two-term limit under the

00:30:18.800 Florida Constitution. So he can run for president again in 2028 and get beat again in 2028. But I

00:30:27.040 think that's the game plan. Now, what I think Lara Trump should do is go to her home state, 0.99

00:30:34.440 her native state of North Carolina, and take Tom Tillis on in the primary. Because she could beat

00:30:39.120 Tillis in the primary. And she'd still be a very strong general election candidate. So she could

00:30:44.520 take out a rhino, win that Republican primary, and then win the general election and hold the seat for

00:30:50.440 the GOP. That's how I hope this unfolds. I think she would be a great U.S. senator. Maybe I'm wrong.

00:30:56.860 Maybe she'll get appointed in Florida, but I kind of doubt it. But if she's not, I think she has great

00:31:02.620 public service ahead of her. And I think the place to do that is in her native state of North Carolina.

00:31:08.760 Yeah, I can't imagine DeSantis wanting to do that to himself. He didn't make it to the primary. Is

00:31:14.140 that correct against Donald Trump for the 2024 nomination? Well, here's the key point, is that

00:31:20.740 he actually never endorsed Donald Trump. Go back and read his words. He withdrew from the race,

00:31:26.420 saying that he was withdrawing because a majority of Republicans favored the candidacy of Donald Trump.

00:31:31.700 But then he never met the one step and said, and therefore I endorse and will support Donald Trump. He

00:31:36.100 never said that. He never campaigned for him anywhere in Florida. We had a giant rally in

00:31:40.580 Doral. It was an amazing rally, huge crowd. He would have been very well received. But you know

00:31:45.620 what, John? He didn't show up. I can't think of a single campaign event that he showed up at. Now,

00:31:51.860 President Trump graciously allowed him to address the Republican National Convention,

00:31:56.480 as he did Nikki Haley. But once again, go back and look at DeSantis' remarks. There is no

00:32:02.460 strong endorsement for Donald Trump. So he, I think a smarter politician would have realized I'm beat.

00:32:10.160 I need to repair my relationships with the America First movement and with Donald Trump.

00:32:14.420 I would have hit the campaign hard trail hard on behalf of Trump. I would have campaigned

00:32:19.220 as hard as I could, but he didn't do that. And at the end of the day, it's just my opinion,

00:32:24.340 obviously, but I don't think he will appoint a Laura Trump who would be excellent to the U.S. Senate. 0.96

00:32:29.440 Yeah. And I mean, she has her whole family down there. Her and Eric live a very normal life down

00:32:34.540 there. You know, I'm not entirely sure she'd want to uproot and go back home with her kids,

00:32:38.580 go to school there. And honestly, Roger, it's a shitty job at the end of the day. You don't make 0.83

00:32:42.780 any friends being there. You know, it's not exactly a favorable. I've thought about running for

00:32:49.140 Congress myself many times. Lou begged me to do it against my congresswoman who was a rhino, 1.00

00:32:53.560 but I'm like, I don't really want to do it. You know, I don't want to live that life and have to kiss

00:32:58.300 people's ass and beg for money. It's not who I am. And, you know, I have no really interest 1.00

00:33:02.160 in doing that, but we'll see. I, like I said, I, like you said, I think should be an excellent

00:33:07.040 senator. I want to take one more quick break here, Roger. When we return, A.G. Merrick Garland

00:33:11.760 is begging deep state lawyers to remain at the DOJ and says the department needs their quote

00:33:16.060 institutional knowledge. I want to take that up. Also, George Soros, he's having a very tough time.

00:33:24.000 21 of his backed prosecutors have been ousted since 2022. I also want to take up, as a man

00:33:29.980 who's received a pardon himself, what your thoughts are on Hunter Biden getting a pardon.

00:33:35.080 We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone. Stay with us, folks.

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00:34:42.100 Folks, we're back. We're talking with our good friend, the great Roger Stone, host of The Stone

00:34:47.260 Zone. You can catch him each and every night on Rumble, a must-watch show. Roger, I want to start

00:34:52.260 with, first, Hunter Biden getting a pardon very effortlessly from his father. Mixed reactions

00:35:00.400 from people on both sides, some on the right saying, how can you not pardon his son? I understand that

00:35:05.700 from a standpoint, but I also look back and see Joe Biden told us he would never pardon his son

00:35:10.640 and would let the process play out. It turns out he's a liar, and we've known since June now that 0.68

00:35:16.040 he's been lying. As a man who fought tooth and nail to have to get a pardon for absolutely doing 0.98

00:35:22.700 nothing wrong, which makes it even harder for someone like you to probably fathom with this,

00:35:27.200 whereas you look at Hunter Biden, a known criminal, we have the evidence. It's right in front of our

00:35:31.940 eyes. He gave it to us. Having to get a pardon for free for nothing, absolutely nothing. It's his

00:35:37.600 daddy. What's your thoughts on it, Roger? Well, it's very sensitive to me, John, because there's

00:35:42.600 a great narrative all over the internet that says that Roger Stone and his wife evaded $2.5 million

00:35:48.280 in taxes, but they paid no penalty, and they were not prosecuted, whereas Hunter Biden was prosecuted

00:35:55.960 for a tax evasion. Let me be very clear. My wife and I owe $2 million in taxes. 75% of that is interest

00:36:04.540 in penalties, and it's all from 2006. My taxes are up to date for every year from 2006 to the current

00:36:11.520 time. Evaded taxes, I've made a payment every month since 2007 without missing a payment, and the

00:36:19.940 government will give me no break on interest or penalty, which is usually negotiable. So we never

00:36:26.560 evaded taxes. We reported every penny of income, and we accurately reported our assets. They filed a civil

00:36:34.500 suit against me simply because I had no ability to pay. John, we ran out of money. We lost our home,

00:36:41.260 our car, our insurance, our savings, my ability while gagged to make a living and support my family.

00:36:48.440 I simply could no longer pay. But when Hunter Biden's lawyers tried to argue falsely that while Roger Stone

00:36:56.420 and his wife evaded taxes, the judge in the case looked at our situation and his and says,

00:37:02.340 this is apples and oranges. Hunter Biden failed to report $10 million plus of income. Again,

00:37:10.280 we reported every penny. So this is a false narrative that has to be corrected, but you'll never see it

00:37:17.640 corrected in the mainstream media. I also wonder why they backdated this pardon all the way to 2014.

00:37:25.920 Right. And I would point out to you that while the Supreme Court decision regarding presidential

00:37:31.800 immunity may protect Joe Biden from payments that made their way to him while he was president,

00:37:38.980 vice presidents have no such immunity. Under James Comer and the House investigation,

00:37:45.120 there is no question now that Joe Biden, when he said he knew nothing about Hunter's business and

00:37:50.820 nobody in my family received any money from China, those are lies. Those are egregious lies.

00:37:57.120 And I'm hopeful that Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel will investigate and find out

00:38:06.560 exactly what happened. If in fact, Joe Biden, as a sitting vice president, was taking huge payments from

00:38:12.240 China or Russia or Ukraine or Romania or any other country, as appears to be the case, well,

00:38:19.080 then he ought to be prosecuted. That's what happens when you have a one-tier justice system

00:38:24.280 and everybody's held to the same standard. That said, this doesn't surprise me. I would be surprised

00:38:32.340 if Joe Biden doesn't pardon his brother, other members of the Biden crime family, perhaps even

00:38:38.000 himself before he leaves office. So this idea that Roger Stone was pardoned. Yeah. And the judge

00:38:47.460 withheld exculpatory evidence of my trial would prove I didn't do anything wrong. No, sorry, folks. I wasn't

00:38:53.960 lying to cover up Russian collusion because there was no Russian collusion to cover up. No, I wasn't lying to

00:39:00.600 cover up WikiLeaks collaboration because there was no WikiLeaks collaboration to cover up. The judge

00:39:07.440 refused to give us the CrowdStrikes report. I could have proven that there, through expert testimony

00:39:12.700 and forensic evidence, there was no online hack of the DNC. The FBI admitted in the pretrial motions

00:39:19.780 they'd never inspected the computer servers at the DNC. And actually, when BuzzFeed went into federal

00:39:28.300 court to force the U.S. Department of Justice to disgorge Robert Mueller's final report, you can see it

00:39:34.900 right there in black and white. They found no evidence of Russian collusion or collaboration

00:39:39.820 with WikiLeaks so that I had received any materials from WikiLeaks. So it's pretty simple. John, you know

00:39:45.860 this. Lou certainly know it. They framed me for a non-existent process crime in an effort to pressure me

00:39:53.320 into testifying falsely against Donald Trump. And I simply refused to do it. And through the grace of

00:39:59.480 God and a lot of prayer, Donald Trump saw that I was being politically persecuted, that I'd really done

00:40:05.020 nothing wrong. And he not only commuted my sentence, but he gave me a full and unconditional

00:40:12.040 presidential pardon. Now, there's a piece in Politico yesterday about a guy I'm very excited about, a guy

00:40:18.760 named Anthony Constantino, a young, dynamic businessman from upstate New York, who's announced

00:40:24.500 that he will seek the seat of Elise Stefanik, who is vacating the seat to become Donald Trump's UN

00:40:29.860 ambassador. An excellent appointment, by the way. She is a bulldog when it comes to the Constitution and 1.00

00:40:36.340 our freedoms and the corruption in our criminal justice system. And it's a great story. It mentions

00:40:42.540 that I am supporting Constantino, which I am because I'm very impressed with him. It mentions that my

00:40:47.600 sentence is commuted, but nowhere in there does it mention that I was pardoned. And I've asked the

00:40:52.740 guy who wrote it for Politico, I've asked him two times for an update, an online update, but that

00:40:59.840 update doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It's just another example of how the fake news media distorts

00:41:06.000 the facts. You know, it's funny, Roger, I was just Googling real quick. You've been in this business for

00:41:10.660 over 50 years. Is it safe to say that's an accurate number?

00:41:14.860 Yes, about right.

00:41:15.800 Okay, so you've been in this business 50 years. It took you 40-something years to all of a sudden

00:41:22.160 become a criminal. It makes no sense to me. You're in this business 50. Usually people who are criminals,

00:41:27.240 Roger, live a life filled of crime. It's usually not one instance where you decide, all right,

00:41:32.140 50 years later, now I'm 65 years old, I'm going to become a criminal and I'm going to lie.

00:41:36.860 It's mind-blowing to me that you decided after 50 years, you're going to become a criminal.

00:41:40.960 The other thing that's crazy to me, Roger, is if you look at the situation, the no underlying crime,

00:41:46.700 this is the thing that blows my mind. If you're under oath and you're giving a statement to the

00:41:50.280 FBI about the alleged crime, but there is no underlying crime to begin with. And you make a

00:41:56.520 false statement, whether it be on purpose or by accident, by not recalling something, you are held

00:42:02.600 responsible for that false statement or that incorrect statement you gave, but there's no

00:42:07.820 underlying crime in the first place for this case to be even brought, which is the, it seems the,

00:42:13.300 the scenario in which you found yourself or which they allege that you found yourself in. So that's

00:42:18.440 mind-blowing to me in the first place because there's no investigation. There's no Roger Stone

00:42:22.400 under oath in the first place without this bullshit that they perpetrated on you. You brought up DNC 0.99

00:42:28.340 WikiLeaks and you'd mentioned Lou. Nobody cared more about that, that situation than Lou. And when

00:42:34.020 Lou came out and spoke about it, Lou got sued by Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was shot in the back

00:42:39.980 of his head in what they called was a robbery and nothing was ever stolen from him. My lawyer,

00:42:46.240 a man by the name of Ty Clevenger has been investigating it now since it happened, asked the FBI for the

00:42:51.960 laptop. They were demanded to turn it over by a court, never turned over that laptop. Very odd. The FBI

00:42:57.500 said they had the laptop. Then they said they didn't have the laptop. The laptop was allegedly sent

00:43:01.220 out to Seth's brother in Colorado. Never got just a whole cluster mess. And, and it turns out

00:43:07.420 that Lou was most likely vindicated. We, you know, we don't know what the settlement was between the

00:43:13.600 Rich family and Fox news, but there was reportedly a settlement where they were paid out. The Rich

00:43:17.980 family cared more about getting a payday from Fox news than finding out what really happened to their

00:43:22.920 son. So that's sort of a travesty. If you look at it, the other thing you brought up was Comer and

00:43:29.640 the investigations in the Biden family. Do you think Comer now goes harder than he went before

00:43:34.920 with the Republican Congress, the Republican Senate, with the Republican in the white house?

00:43:40.020 I certainly, I certainly hope so because it's abundantly clear that Joe Biden does not have

00:43:45.920 immunity from acts that took place during his vice presidency. And if a vice president United States

00:43:53.580 is a crook, well, I think we need to know that. What you say is absolutely right, by the way,

00:43:58.420 Ty Clevenger, an excellent lawyer representing you, who's been fighting very hard to get to the bottom

00:44:03.680 of what really happened here. But, but in order to violate the false statements act, your statement has

00:44:11.540 to not only be willfully false, but it has to be material. Right. And no, my testimony was voluntary

00:44:19.100 and nothing I said that was incorrect. I did make some mistakes, but as you point out, they hid no

00:44:25.380 underlying crime because there was no underlying crime to hide. So it is, it is fairly outrageous.

00:44:32.480 Meanwhile, James Clapper testifies under oath that no, we don't have a metadata collection system on

00:44:39.420 Americans. That's a lie, a material lie. John Brennan says, no, I wasn't spying on a U.S. Senate

00:44:46.060 committee that was looking into my illegal use of torture as CIA director. That's a material lie for

00:44:52.340 which he should have been prosecuted. James Comey lies multiple times before the Congress under oath.

00:44:59.440 Hillary Clinton, Jake Sullivan, these people all lie under oath, but they lie about material matters

00:45:04.940 that actually matter. Of course, none of them were prosecuted. So it is, as I said earlier,

00:45:10.320 it's time to rebalance the scales of justice. It's time to return to a one tiered criminal justice

00:45:16.500 system in which people who actually commit crimes, unlike me, are prosecuted. I'll be waiting patiently

00:45:23.360 for that. Yeah. Cause you know, at the end of the day, Roger, it's not fair. It's not fair that you've

00:45:27.420 worked your whole entire life. You're in your seventies now. I don't mean to call it your age,

00:45:31.580 but I think it's important that the people realize you worked your whole entire life to

00:45:35.920 eventually retire one day with your wife and live a normal life. And five years ago, when you decided

00:45:41.400 you were going to back Donald Trump, and it wasn't just five years ago, folks, Roger Stone was behind

00:45:45.660 Donald Trump back in 2001 and 2000, even beforehand. But nonetheless, in 2016, when you decided you were

00:45:53.400 going to help Donald Trump win the White House, which you did, everything came collapsing down on you.

00:45:59.340 And that was it. Everything you'd worked for your whole entire life was now fair game. Every dollar

00:46:04.540 you've ever earned was now a fair game that you would have to spend to defend yourself over absolutely

00:46:10.340 nothing. How do people like you ever recuperate? I mean, you can't sue for reparations. It'll just

00:46:16.040 be a waste of time because we've got a corrupt justice department. We have corrupt judges. How does 0.98

00:46:20.980 someone like you ever recuperate funds to, you're going to be paying off a tax bill for the rest of

00:46:25.620 your life, Roger? I mean, how do you justify that? How do people like you deal with something like

00:46:31.800 this? It's not right. You ask an excellent question. Let me say this. Although my wife and

00:46:40.220 I may now be materially much poorer, we're spiritually much richer. So I was sustained only through my faith

00:46:47.840 in God and because I was redeemed in the blood of the cross and I returned to the church of my

00:46:54.540 parents and my grandparents and my great-grandparents. And yeah, I get it that the people over at Washington

00:46:59.500 Monthly think that's corny or trite. I don't really care what they think. You know what I care about?

00:47:05.640 I care about what he thinks. That's all I really care about. So we're rebuilding. And frankly,

00:47:11.680 I'm just happy to be alive and around for this incredible moment in which this country is about

00:47:17.340 to undertake an unprecedented golden age of peace and prosperity and security and justice under a man

00:47:26.080 who's already proven to be a great president, but will prove to be an even greater president in his

00:47:31.300 second term. So it's funny. During the questioning by the House Intelligence Committee, I was asked whether

00:47:39.440 I'd spoken to anti-Russians and I didn't recall having done so. And then it turned out later that 0.50

00:47:45.440 I had been contacted by a man who called himself Greenberg. And Greenberg, this fellow who called

00:47:54.620 himself Greenberg, said he needed to meet with me. I met with him very briefly. He told me that he had

00:48:00.160 information on Hillary Clinton and he thought it could be very helpful to Donald Trump. And I said,

00:48:05.980 well, you know, when a presidential campaign stuff comes in over the transom all the time,

00:48:09.960 I'd have to see it to know whether it had any value. He said, well, that's going to cost you

00:48:14.460 two million bucks. And I said, well, A, I don't have two million bucks. And if I did have two million

00:48:20.000 dollars, this is not how I would spend it. And he said, no, no, you don't understand. It's not your

00:48:23.900 money I want. It's Donald Trump's money. And I said, well, that's the end of this meeting then,

00:48:28.900 because he has no interest in buying any information from you or anyone else. And I left.

00:48:33.140 Right. Now, later, it turns out that I didn't know this at the time that Mr. Greenberg was a

00:48:37.780 Russian national. But guess what else he was, John? He was an FBI informant. Of course. He was

00:48:44.520 only in Miami. I have the documents. He was only in Miami because he had been convicted of a violent

00:48:50.720 crime in Russia at the at the sufferance of the Miami station chief of the FBI. So it was a sting

00:48:58.240 operation. Now, in the beginning, Adam Schiff, that pencil neck and Eric Swallows. Well,

00:49:05.020 they were jumping up and down screaming, Trump lied about meeting a Russian. But then when they found

00:49:09.940 out that the Russian in question was an FBI informant, he disappeared entirely from their

00:49:15.400 hearings. There's one sentence about him in the Mueller report. And they didn't mention that he was

00:49:20.720 an FBI informant. That's the real story.

00:49:24.220 You know, I got to be honest with you, Roger, you could be Russian for all I know. And I've spoken

00:49:28.760 to you many times over the course of the last few years. And I wouldn't even know, you know,

00:49:33.280 it never dawns upon me to ask somebody where they domiciled before I speak to them. But now,

00:49:38.080 you know, I think I probably should start asking as xenophobic or racist as it may sound.

00:49:43.520 Roger, we know you're striped for time. We appreciate you joining us each and every day here on the

00:49:47.300 Great America show. Folks, I want to leave you guys with something. 202-224-3121, 202-224-3121.

00:49:55.900 Call your senators, folks, if you live in Oklahoma, if you live in Maine, and put the pressure on them.

00:50:02.900 Trust me, this is from people I know on the inside. It moves the needle. You may say calling

00:50:08.320 them is not going to do anything. These congressmen, these senators all walk around their offices.

00:50:12.580 They hear the phones ringing all day long. Some of them, congressmen I've worked for after I've

00:50:16.940 gotten off the phone and said, who just called and what did they want? It moves the needle. Trust

00:50:21.140 me. Roger, you get the last word here. As we look forward to just under over a month until President

00:50:28.440 Trump's back in the White House. Well, John, it's great to be with you. You raised an interesting

00:50:32.620 question about ethnicity. I, of course, am half Hungarian and half Italian. I'm Italian from the

00:50:38.040 waist down. John is right about this, though. I'm going to say it again. 202-224-3121.

00:50:46.080 That's the Capitol Hill operator. Politely ask for your senator's office. And when you call and

00:50:51.580 politely say to them, don't yell, don't shout, don't curse. Politely say to them that they should

00:50:57.180 support the president's nominee. And if they do not do so, you will remember when they come up for

00:51:02.280 re-election or when they are challenged. With that, we'll leave it there. God bless you,

00:51:06.200 John. Thanks for having me. And well, we'll see you next week.

00:51:09.000 You're absolutely right. Roger, Great American, we all pray for you each and every day on this show

00:51:14.380 and hope that one day the wrongs are righted because you deserve it, brother.

00:51:20.480 Thank you, my friend.

00:51:21.800 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show. I appreciate

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00:52:34.460 and get into the studio and do this show. So we'll see you right back here tomorrow, same

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00:52:43.820 America, and may God bless the great Lou Dobbs. 0.95

00:52:50.840 Thank you.

The Great America Show - December 05, 2024

TRUMP CHANGED THE G.O.P AND IT'S NEVER GOING BACK

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