TRUMP CHANGED THE G.O.P AND IT'S NEVER GOING BACK
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Joe Biden is stepping down as Vice President and leaving the White House on January 20th, 2020. The Ukraine crisis continues to grow and the House of Representatives refuses to give him another $4.4 billion in aid. The Biden White House is reportedly considering preemptive pardons for a few folks including Rep. Adam Schiff, Liz Cheney and Dr. Anthony Fauci. Merrick Garland is reportedly begging the DOJ to remain at the DOJ, saying that the department needs institutional knowledge.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.
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Thanks so much for joining us today in these important times politically and both foreign
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It seems Joe Biden and his administration are doing all they can to beat the World War
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And they've been doing it for the last almost four years now of his lame duck administration.
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But it seems they've sort of ramped it up as he's leaving office, particularly with
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Ukraine and Russia and that war going on over there.
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Now, I don't know if it has anything to do with the money his son has made off of Ukraine.
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And that has something to do with why he's been so happy and eager to keep sending them
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money, even offering them another twenty four billion dollars as he walks out the door,
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which is almost certainly going to piss Russia off even more as if the American made weapons
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and rockets being launched into their country weren't enough.
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Thanks to the good Lord, Mike Johnson, finally doing his job over in the House of Representatives,
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saying no dice for that twenty four billion dollars.
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I think as we predicted and as I said to all of you weeks before the election, if Donald Trump
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is elected, it will change that the dynamic of the Russia war on Ukraine.
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And we're seeing that happen. So it is not the place of Joe Biden to make that decision.
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Now, we have a newly elected president and we're going to wait and take the new commander
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in chief's direction on all of that. So I don't expect any Ukraine funding to come up.
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Good on Mike Johnson of about time doing his job.
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It's taken him long enough to get to that point where he's ready to grow a backbone and speak
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You know, I've said it multiple times on the show and Lou said it before he passed away
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These congressional terms are only two years long and, you know, a lot of time can be wasted
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in two years. So he's got to hit the ground running on January 20th.
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And within weeks, I give it weeks, if he can't seem to coordinate with President Trump
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on how we're going to move forward in this administration, President Trump has got to move
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on from him and seek the next best option in Congress to take over as Speaker of the House.
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We have no time to waste. Two years comes and it goes very fast.
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And there's no guarantee that in two years, the Republicans will be able to hold the House.
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Historically, it shows that they will lose the House.
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So we've really only got two years if we look at it from a realistic standpoint to get everything done
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that President Trump wants to get done, whether we build the wall, get through government funding
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that gets rid of DEI and all this woke ideology garbage out of our institutions and our systems.
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In other news, the Biden White House is reportedly considering preemptive pardons for a few folks.
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One of them, Adam Schiff, another Liz Cheney, and another one, Dr. Anthony Fauci.
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Now, the Marxist left constantly say that these people should be pardoned, but they also say
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at the same time they've done no crimes. So if they've done no crimes, why is the Marxist left
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and the mainstream media so set on getting these people pardons?
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You know, it doesn't really make much sense. Over at the DOJ, Merrick Garland is reportedly
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begging the deep state lawyers who work over there to remain at the DOJ, saying that the
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department needs their, quote, institutional knowledge. So now that should come as a red flag
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to the incoming administration and for the folks who are going to be running that DOJ to go ahead
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and find those, quote, institutional lawyers and get them the hell out of there on day one
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because they do not belong there. Merrick Garland's asking them to stay. It means they're the first ones
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who, in fact, need to go. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. They've got to go. On a side note,
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there's a report out that 21 of George Soros' backed prosecutors that he funded millions of dollars
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to some of them have been ousted since 2022. That's 21 of them. So things are looking optimistic
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for this country with President Trump's decisive victory exactly a month ago today. And it looks
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like America's moving in the right direction. We need to continue to do so in the next elections
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coming up in 2026 and 2028 as well. Also looking forward to those Senate elections that are coming
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up in 2026. We've really got to drain the swamp. And I'm going to take that up here with our guests
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today in just a few moments. Our guest today is one of our weekly favorites who joins us here each and
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every week on the Great America Show. The great Roger Stone. He's the host of the Stone Zone podcast
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each and every night on Rumble. You can go to StoneZone.com or you can go to Rumble at the Stone
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Zone. The great Roger Stone. Roger, it's great to have you back with us here on the Great America
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Show. It's been some time. We went past a holiday. I was on vacation. But now, you know, I was having
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Roger withdrawals. I was coming back on the plane from Africa and I was scratching my neck and I
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couldn't get to you fast enough. So here we are. Welcome back. I want to get to something first
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that we've been hearing a lot over the last few days. And it's that Pete Heggset, the SECDEF
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nominee, may soon be dropping out of the race for political pressure from the left. And we may soon
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see your good friend, Ron DeSantis scoop on in. This is, of course, unconfirmed reports. I want to play
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for the audience a clip of Roger warning us about DeSantis back in 2022, long before he decided to make the
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stupid move to primary Donald Trump for that 2024 nomination. Take a listen.
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Roger, this is long before he showed his true colors. And I think the saying Lou used to use is
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every dog has its fleas. Go ahead. Well, I think it's important for people to review the history
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because maybe some people who don't live in Florida don't remember it. But when Ron DeSantis
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was running for governor, he was running at about 8 percent in the polls. He was led by the state
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agriculture commissioner, former congressman Adam Putnam. All 62 Republican county chairmen in Florida
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endorsed Putnam, DeSantis' opponent. Every single Republican in the state legislature where we had
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the majority in both houses still do. The Senate president, the Speaker of the House endorsed Ron
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DeSantis' opponent. Every member of the Republican congressional delegation from Florida, with the
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exception of Matt Gaetz, endorsed Putnam. And then the truth is, in 2016, when Trump won the Republican
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nomination for president and DeSantis was running for reelection for Congress, DeSantis refused to endorse
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Donald Trump. I could show you the video in which he actually says, well, just because we're both on the
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Republican ticket does not mean I support Donald Trump for president. President Trump had never seen that
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video. Then after Trump was elected, Ron kind of saw his opportunity to reinvent himself as a defender of Trump
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in the Russian collusion hoax. And for the first time ever, Donald Trump became aware of who Ron DeSantis
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was. Of course, he liked what he saw because DeSantis was on Fox and conservative talk radio and other
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outlets defending Trump on the Russian collusion matter. So Ron DeSantis, as we now know, went and begged
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Donald Trump for an endorsement. Congressman Gaetz was a major sponsor of that. He urged the president to
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endorse Ron DeSantis. He did endorse him just in a tweet on TrueSocial and DeSantis' campaign took off like a rocket.
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He went from eight to 68 almost overnight. His campaign coffers went from being virtually empty to bulging with
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enough money to win an upset victory in the primary. Now, because Ron is not a strong candidate, he was locked in a very,
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very close general election. And President Donald Trump had to change his schedule three times to come to Florida
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in the final two weeks of the 2018 election to literally drag Ron DeSantis over the finish line.
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And we elected a Republican governor who I voted for. Early after Trump losing or being cheated out of the 2020 election,
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when President Trump made it pretty clear he intended to run again, I began to hear reports that Ron DeSantis
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was planning to challenge the man who made him. Now, let's be very clear. Without Donald Trump,
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Ron DeSantis would be managing a McDonald's someplace. But instead, he gets to be governor of Florida.
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At 42 years old, you would think that he would have some loyalty to the man who made his career.
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But unfortunately, he didn't have that loyalty. He mounted a very, very expensive challenge. He spent
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$30 million in an attempt to defeat Donald Trump. If you go back and look at the closing days of that
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contest, he got very nasty and personal in his attacks on the president. And he was ignominiously
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defeated. So my problem here is loyalty. Now, people keep saying, ah, but he's a good,
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he's a great governor. And then I check and the people who tell me that live in Ohio or Florida
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or Texas or California. Our utility rates are through the roof. Could that be because Ron DeSantis
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took nine and a half million dollars from Florida Power and Light and his subsidiaries for his various
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political committees when he was running for president? Our insurance rates are astronomical.
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The insurance bill for my single 2016 Lincoln Continental that has 98,000 miles on it has tripled
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in the last two years. And we have a rising crime problem in this state. So look, this is just to me,
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it's a simple question of loyalty. I believe in loyalty. At 42 years old, Governor DeSantis could
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have waited his turn and he could certainly have run. But these stories you refer to saying that he
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will be the next secretary of defense, I can find no basis for them. I've made some calls early this
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morning to people who would be in a position to know. They tell me that it is a baseless speculation.
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Beyond the fact that that there's there is no indication that Pete Hegseth is throwing in the
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towel. He said this morning that he's going to continue to fight. I believe he will continue to
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fight. I support his nomination. I think he is the target of character assassination. This New Yorker
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piece on him is an outrage. It is. It's a collection of lies and falsehoods and smears. And Hegseth looks to
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me like he's a brawler. He's not looking to me like a man who walks away from a fight.
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Right. So any any second guessing over who might replace him, you know, that is exactly that
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second guessing. You know, the whole issue with DeSantis, the mistake he made, a lot of people said
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it was his wife who was his unofficial advisor who made him run. Now, you know, I know a lot of
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political advisors, none as dumb as that, who would ever go up against Donald Trump. And it's just for
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the sheer reason of how powerful he is. You know, Roger, we look to now President Trump comes in until
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2028. These guys after 2028, these guys who are just lazy SOBs are going to have a very tough time
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after that, because I think probably after Donald Trump's done with his second term, he's probably
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going to want to finally retire somewhat once and for all, you know, go golfing, run his business a
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little bit. I don't think he's probably going to want to be involved in politics, something that's
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almost destroyed his life, almost something that's almost taken his life now two times.
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So these rhinos are going to have a very, very tough time. Do you think in the next four years, we just
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saw this guy Durante lose his seat in California. He was a rhino, but he's probably stolen seat from
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him, took a month, over a month to count the votes. Do you think we'll see over the now the next four
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years, President Trump and his team of folks like Elon Musk start to weed out some of these rhinos who
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have just absolutely destroyed the party, Roger? You know, I can be honest with you, John, I think
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Donald Trump has fundamentally changed the nature of the Republican Party, and it's never going back.
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We're never again going to be the party of Wall Street. We're never going to be the party of the
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country club. We're never going to be the party of the moneyed elites or the globalists. We're never
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going to be the party of war or the party of censorship. Those days are over. The days that we were the
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party of the country club, Bush Republicans, those days are done. The new Republican Party,
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or I should say the new MAGA movement, which is broader and larger and more powerful than the
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Republican Party, is the party of the middle class. It's the party of working people. It's the party of
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common sense. It's the party of low energy prices. It's the party of spending cuts. It's the party of
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tax reduction. It's the party of lower inflation. And most importantly, it's the party of peace.
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It's going to be the party that stands for secure borders. And then I expect Donald Trump will crack
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down on the drug crisis in this country and the crime crisis in this country. So it's never going
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back. If you're some country club Republican thinking, well, we just have to wait Trump out.
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You don't understand the sea change that's taking place here. Secondarily, J.D. Vance has
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four years to prove himself. He proved himself in a tremendous debate with his opponent. He proved
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himself on the campaign trail. He's off to a very strong start. I think Donald Trump could have no
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better partner. There's a level of trust there based, I think, largely on the senator's excellent
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record in the Senate where he proved that he's not a neocon. He's not a country club Republican.
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They hate him because he went to Yale. Give me a break. This guy had to fight for everything he's
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ever gotten. He comes from a hardscrabble, hardscrabbed background. He comes from a very
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troubled childhood, family-wise. He's fought and earned for everything he has. He's been a tremendous
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success, a success in business, a proud military veteran who served his country with honor,
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who won himself a seat in the Senate. And then when he went to the Senate, like Trump, he did
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exactly what he said he was going to do when he was running for the Senate. How incredibly rare.
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So I think there is a potentially a strong candidate there. You have new stars in this party. Look at
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Tulsi Gabbard, who's now a Republican, formerly a Democrat. She left the Democrat Party because when she
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joined that party, that was the party of peace and the part of civil liberties and the party of civil
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rights, the party of free speech. But she doesn't recognize her old party because those who used to
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follow Kennedy and Truman now follow Marx and Lenin. And she realizes that the Republican Party is where
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it's at in terms of peace and prosperity and security and justice. So I think we have not only
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in Vice President Vance, a strong potential presidential candidate, but in people like
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Tulsi Gabbard, strong national candidates, I expect she'll be a candidate for vice president,
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president someday. I think that the future is very bright for the MAGA wing, the dominant wing
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of the Republican Party. Now, if I were a senator, say from, oh, I don't know, let's say South Dakota,
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and I was up in 2026, I think long and hard about voting against Kash Patel as the FBI director or
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Tulsi Gabbard as the national director of intelligence or Pete Hegseth as the secretary
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of defense, because the people have spoken and it wasn't a whisper. The people have spoken loud and
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clear. A president is entitled to his nominees. That's why our system works. Unless the nominee has
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done something illegal or dishonest, you're not supposed to vote against them on the basis of
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your disagreement with their political philosophy. Nope. But that's what's being talked about here.
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When you see senators like James Lankford of Oklahoma saying that, you know, he has reservations about
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Tulsi Gabbard, really? Senator, did you serve your country in combat in two wars?
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Right. You know, can you can you say that you have put your life on the line for the United States?
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Because she can. She's a lieutenant colonel in the U.S. Army Reserve who served in combat in both Iraq
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and Kuwait. Four terms in Congress as a member of the Foreign Affairs Committee and the Armed Services
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Committee, more than qualified for this job. And to have a senator who didn't serve, whose previous
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experience was running a Christian summer camp for children, questioning the patriotism and the
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loyalty of Tulsi Gabbard, that is an outrage. So I say this, if I lived in Oklahoma today, I would go
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online. I'd find the email address and the phone number for Senator Lankford's office. And I would send
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him a respectful, polite, respectful message telling him to vote for the president's nominees.
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Donald Trump carried all 77 counties in Oklahoma. He's the only man in history. He's done it twice
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now. The people have spoken, Senator. These are the president's nominees. You need to get on board.
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Yeah, you're absolutely right. The whole the idea of these rhinos just absolutely demolishing this
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party, I think, as you said, is a way of the past. I want to take a quick break here. And when we come
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back, I want to talk about some of those folks who are up for reelection in 2026. And one of them was on
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his way out the door right now, a man who President Trump brought him across the finish line, took him
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to dance, and then he didn't want to dance. We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone, folks.
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Folks, we're back. We're talking with the great Roger Stone, one of our weekly guests here on
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The Great America Show. We can't get enough of them. Roger, one of our good friends, giving his
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farewell speech this week as he departs the Senate. Let's take a listen to this psychopath.
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There are some today who would tear at our unity, who would replace love with hate,
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who deride our foundation of virtue, or who debase the values upon which the blessings of heaven depend.
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Now, I've been in public service for 25 years. I have learned that politics alone cannot measure
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up to the challenges we face. A country's character is a reflection not just of its elected officials,
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but also of its people. I leave Washington to return to be one among them and hope to be a voice
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of unity and virtue. For it is only if the American people merit his benevolence that God
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will continue to bless America. May he do so is my prayer.
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Roger, imagine making your farewell speech about the man who created you. This is a man who
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quite honestly got on his knees with knee pads on. The second he smelled that Trump was teasing him
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for secretary of state. Trump now tells us after the fact that he was just trolling him and having
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some fun with it. But nonetheless, he's the one who gave him that seat in Utah. So, you know, he's to
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thank for it. But Mitt Romney's of the world. Do you think they're finally starting to see the light?
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Well, I think he's a special case. There is a man who believes in absolutely nothing whatsoever.
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Ran for the first time for the U.S. Senate in his home state of Massachusetts against Ted Kennedy,
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was a supporter then of abortion on demand and same-sex marriage. Ran to Kennedy's left. I didn't
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know there was any room over there. Then ran two disastrous campaigns for president. He had several
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different debates with Barack Obama, but he was a different person in each debate. Never really quite
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understood what he believed in. He said he was severely conservative. Well, John, nobody who's
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a conservative would describe themselves as severely conservative. He's because Mitt Romney's not a
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conservative. All he believes in nothing other than crony capitalism. And then when a U.S. Senate seat
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opens up in Utah, he goes to Donald Trump and he begs for the endorsement for that seat. Now,
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the Republican attorney general of Utah, who'd been planning his entire career to run for that seat,
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agrees to step aside at the request of President Donald Trump. Trump endorses Mitt Romney. Mitt
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Romney easily wins a seat in a state in which he has a vacation home, but which he doesn't really live
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and goes to the U.S. Senate. And then just as his father, George Romney, plunged a knife in the back of
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Republican nominee Barry Goldwater in 1964, Mitt Romney knifes Donald Trump by voting for his
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impeachment. He's a man devoid of character. He's a man devoid of talent, in my opinion. He's a
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disgrace. And his real problem is jealousy. His real problem is jealousy because he prepared his whole
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life preparing to become president. He shapeshifted from liberal Republican to moderate Republican to
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conservative Republican back to liberal Republican. And the people never bought his act and he couldn't
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get elected. Now comes Donald Trump, who makes it all look so effortless. Trump gets elected simply by
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being Trump and talking straight to the American people at a time that the American people are tired
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of politicians and they're tired of the politicians who are constantly changing positions. I mean,
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Mitt Romney has had more positions than he's had hair colors. I mean, the guy is, he is just as phony
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as can be. And the people have seen this. By the way, he left the Senate because he would have lost a
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Republican primary in Utah. He could have put millions of his own money in. He said he would have lost the
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state convention and he would have lost a Republican primary. Trent Staggs, who was a brave mayor who
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stepped forward when no one else would, unfortunately doesn't win the primary. And the senator,
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they did elect a guy named Curtis. He's more liberal than Mitt Romney. It's really disgraceful.
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And he's one of the rhinos we're talking about who is who is talking about voting against the
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president's nominees. So it's very strange. Utah is a conservative state. It's a state where Donald
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Trump is very popular. He won very big in Utah all three times that he was on the ballot.
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And I think, in all honesty, since there is no provision in Utah law under which a senator can
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be removed, I thought actually the president should do a rally in Salt Lake City and call on people to
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sign a petition demanding that Mitt Romney resign from the Senate because he's lost their confidence.
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Now, he didn't do that, but I kind of wished he had.
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Roger Stone stirring the pot. That's why I love this man so much. But it's true. You know,
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I was talking with Mark Mitchell, head pollster for Rasmussen yesterday. And, you know, we'd have
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to stop normalizing these rhinos. And I made a prediction. You know, the guys like Mitt Romney,
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Mitt Romney's got the look. And this is why I think a big part of why these people have such
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Trump derangement syndromes. Like you said, they go according to plan because some become someone's
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chief of staff in a state legislator. That person then becomes the next legislator. And then they move
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up to Congress, you go with them and you run the seat. It's a whole circle jerk that these people
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follow this formula. Mitt Romney, he had the look to be president. It looks like a man is president,
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but this absolutely isn't. Donald Trump doesn't look like a president. I mean, he's the greatest
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president we've ever had, but doesn't look like your typical president. You know, he's out there,
00:25:47.560
he dances, he has fun and not your typical president because he's not a politician. And I
00:25:52.060
think it drives these people who have planned their whole entire lives, like you said, around
00:25:56.300
the next promotion to become a senator or a congressman or governor. And Donald Trump just
00:26:01.480
comes in with the hacksaw and takes them all out. I want to talk about 2026 because there's a lot of
00:26:06.480
names, Roger, that are up for reelection. And what I was talking with Mark Mitchell about yesterday was
00:26:11.980
that time and time again, we see things happen in the Senate where one bill or one issue decides the
00:26:19.400
fate of that senator. And my prediction was we're going to see a big Trump bill come up in 2025 or early
00:26:24.720
2026 in which Senator will use Susan Collins, for example, is going to be the saving vote for that
00:26:31.360
bill. And all of a sudden she's now going to become this great Republican. We're all going to forget
00:26:35.520
about what she's done the last 50 plus years that she's been in politics. So you've got guys like
00:26:41.520
Tom Cotton who are up for your election. Joni Ernst has proved herself to be nothing more than a
00:26:45.900
rhino. Bill Cassidy down in Louisiana, rhino. Susan Collins, as I mentioned, up in Maine, rhino. Mitch
00:26:52.160
McConnell's up for reelection. The man can't even get two words out without stroking out. Rhino.
00:26:57.220
You've got guys like Mark Wayne Mullen who are threatening some of Trump's picks. Tom Tillis,
00:27:01.960
another one. Lindsey Graham. Lindsey Graham's on Hannity every single night. Hannity claims to be
00:27:06.440
a Republican. Why are you having Lindsey Graham on your show every single night? When you know it,
00:27:11.060
Lindsey Graham's a threat to democracy. The guy wants nothing more than wars in the Middle East.
00:27:15.120
John Cornyn, another one. Mike Rounds. How do we stop normalizing this behavior, Roger, that these
00:27:23.980
guys with 34 percent conservative scores are Republicans? Well, the answer is to challenge
00:27:31.040
them in primaries and make sure that their primary opponents are both qualified and extremely well
00:27:36.040
funded. Now, look, I know Susan Collins. I actually like Susan Collins. I think she's more open-minded
00:27:42.200
than some of the others that you mentioned. That said, she also represents a state that
00:27:48.940
did not go heavily for Donald Trump. But a senator like Rounds, there's no excuse for him not supporting
00:27:56.640
the president's nominees. I bet Donald Trump's approval in South Dakota, I would bet, is probably
00:28:03.360
in the 90s, in all honesty. Cassidy in Louisiana, I think, is going to find himself on the short end of
00:28:10.140
the stick, because Donald Trump is extremely popular in Louisiana. These senators, I think,
00:28:18.480
need to wake up and recognize this is a new party. They can go get all their special interest money,
00:28:24.100
but at the end of the day, a lot of them are going to be endangered. But they can only be defeated
00:28:30.280
if we recruit good men and women to run against them. Now, there's a lot of speculation,
00:28:36.360
which I don't agree with, that since Marco Rubio is leaving the Senate to become Secretary of State,
00:28:43.560
which is an appointment that I support. I live in Florida. I must tell you, he's a very effective
00:28:47.980
senator. He's been very, very good on constituent service. And he's been very tough on the communists
00:28:53.860
in this hemisphere when it comes to Venezuela, when it comes to Cuba. I think he's done a great job.
00:28:59.320
He's worked very closely with the president. Having run against him, unlike some of the others,
00:29:04.480
he's repaired his relationship with the president, and they have an excellent relationship.
00:29:08.720
And I think Marco Rubio understands that as Secretary of State, his job is not to carry out
00:29:13.300
his policies. His job is to carry out and execute the policies of the president. I think he's going
00:29:18.440
to be very good at it. But because he will presumably vacate his seat in the early part of the new term
00:29:27.760
that he's just been elected to, we'll have a special election in 2026 for that seat. Now,
00:29:34.680
there's speculation that Governor DeSantis would appoint Lara Trump. I would love that. I think
00:29:42.240
she'd be a great senator. I think she did a great job at the Republican National Committee.
00:29:46.040
She's an excellent public speaker. She's a great advocate for her father and the America First
00:29:51.820
policies. She'd be a strong candidate. In the end of the day, I don't think that's going to happen.
00:29:58.600
I think DeSantis will end up appointing a caretaker, somebody who's not going to run for re-election to
00:30:05.060
the seat. And then, which is his right, seek the seat himself in 2026, which is when his term as
00:30:12.940
governor ends. And he cannot run for governor again because we have a two-term limit under the
00:30:18.800
Florida Constitution. So he can run for president again in 2028 and get beat again in 2028. But I
00:30:27.040
think that's the game plan. Now, what I think Lara Trump should do is go to her home state,
00:30:34.440
her native state of North Carolina, and take Tom Tillis on in the primary. Because she could beat
00:30:39.120
Tillis in the primary. And she'd still be a very strong general election candidate. So she could
00:30:44.520
take out a rhino, win that Republican primary, and then win the general election and hold the seat for
00:30:50.440
the GOP. That's how I hope this unfolds. I think she would be a great U.S. senator. Maybe I'm wrong.
00:30:56.860
Maybe she'll get appointed in Florida, but I kind of doubt it. But if she's not, I think she has great
00:31:02.620
public service ahead of her. And I think the place to do that is in her native state of North Carolina.
00:31:08.760
Yeah, I can't imagine DeSantis wanting to do that to himself. He didn't make it to the primary. Is
00:31:14.140
that correct against Donald Trump for the 2024 nomination? Well, here's the key point, is that
00:31:20.740
he actually never endorsed Donald Trump. Go back and read his words. He withdrew from the race,
00:31:26.420
saying that he was withdrawing because a majority of Republicans favored the candidacy of Donald Trump.
00:31:31.700
But then he never met the one step and said, and therefore I endorse and will support Donald Trump. He
00:31:36.100
never said that. He never campaigned for him anywhere in Florida. We had a giant rally in
00:31:40.580
Doral. It was an amazing rally, huge crowd. He would have been very well received. But you know
00:31:45.620
what, John? He didn't show up. I can't think of a single campaign event that he showed up at. Now,
00:31:51.860
President Trump graciously allowed him to address the Republican National Convention,
00:31:56.480
as he did Nikki Haley. But once again, go back and look at DeSantis' remarks. There is no
00:32:02.460
strong endorsement for Donald Trump. So he, I think a smarter politician would have realized I'm beat.
00:32:10.160
I need to repair my relationships with the America First movement and with Donald Trump.
00:32:14.420
I would have hit the campaign hard trail hard on behalf of Trump. I would have campaigned
00:32:19.220
as hard as I could, but he didn't do that. And at the end of the day, it's just my opinion,
00:32:24.340
obviously, but I don't think he will appoint a Laura Trump who would be excellent to the U.S. Senate.
00:32:29.440
Yeah. And I mean, she has her whole family down there. Her and Eric live a very normal life down
00:32:34.540
there. You know, I'm not entirely sure she'd want to uproot and go back home with her kids,
00:32:38.580
go to school there. And honestly, Roger, it's a shitty job at the end of the day. You don't make
00:32:42.780
any friends being there. You know, it's not exactly a favorable. I've thought about running for
00:32:49.140
Congress myself many times. Lou begged me to do it against my congresswoman who was a rhino,
00:32:53.560
but I'm like, I don't really want to do it. You know, I don't want to live that life and have to kiss
00:32:58.300
people's ass and beg for money. It's not who I am. And, you know, I have no really interest
00:33:02.160
in doing that, but we'll see. I, like I said, I, like you said, I think should be an excellent
00:33:07.040
senator. I want to take one more quick break here, Roger. When we return, A.G. Merrick Garland
00:33:11.760
is begging deep state lawyers to remain at the DOJ and says the department needs their quote
00:33:16.060
institutional knowledge. I want to take that up. Also, George Soros, he's having a very tough time.
00:33:24.000
21 of his backed prosecutors have been ousted since 2022. I also want to take up, as a man
00:33:29.980
who's received a pardon himself, what your thoughts are on Hunter Biden getting a pardon.
00:33:35.080
We're coming right back with the great Roger Stone. Stay with us, folks.
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Folks, we're back. We're talking with our good friend, the great Roger Stone, host of The Stone
00:34:47.260
Zone. You can catch him each and every night on Rumble, a must-watch show. Roger, I want to start
00:34:52.260
with, first, Hunter Biden getting a pardon very effortlessly from his father. Mixed reactions
00:35:00.400
from people on both sides, some on the right saying, how can you not pardon his son? I understand that
00:35:05.700
from a standpoint, but I also look back and see Joe Biden told us he would never pardon his son
00:35:10.640
and would let the process play out. It turns out he's a liar, and we've known since June now that
00:35:16.040
he's been lying. As a man who fought tooth and nail to have to get a pardon for absolutely doing
00:35:22.700
nothing wrong, which makes it even harder for someone like you to probably fathom with this,
00:35:27.200
whereas you look at Hunter Biden, a known criminal, we have the evidence. It's right in front of our
00:35:31.940
eyes. He gave it to us. Having to get a pardon for free for nothing, absolutely nothing. It's his
00:35:37.600
daddy. What's your thoughts on it, Roger? Well, it's very sensitive to me, John, because there's
00:35:42.600
a great narrative all over the internet that says that Roger Stone and his wife evaded $2.5 million
00:35:48.280
in taxes, but they paid no penalty, and they were not prosecuted, whereas Hunter Biden was prosecuted
00:35:55.960
for a tax evasion. Let me be very clear. My wife and I owe $2 million in taxes. 75% of that is interest
00:36:04.540
in penalties, and it's all from 2006. My taxes are up to date for every year from 2006 to the current
00:36:11.520
time. Evaded taxes, I've made a payment every month since 2007 without missing a payment, and the
00:36:19.940
government will give me no break on interest or penalty, which is usually negotiable. So we never
00:36:26.560
evaded taxes. We reported every penny of income, and we accurately reported our assets. They filed a civil
00:36:34.500
suit against me simply because I had no ability to pay. John, we ran out of money. We lost our home,
00:36:41.260
our car, our insurance, our savings, my ability while gagged to make a living and support my family.
00:36:48.440
I simply could no longer pay. But when Hunter Biden's lawyers tried to argue falsely that while Roger Stone
00:36:56.420
and his wife evaded taxes, the judge in the case looked at our situation and his and says,
00:37:02.340
this is apples and oranges. Hunter Biden failed to report $10 million plus of income. Again,
00:37:10.280
we reported every penny. So this is a false narrative that has to be corrected, but you'll never see it
00:37:17.640
corrected in the mainstream media. I also wonder why they backdated this pardon all the way to 2014.
00:37:25.920
Right. And I would point out to you that while the Supreme Court decision regarding presidential
00:37:31.800
immunity may protect Joe Biden from payments that made their way to him while he was president,
00:37:38.980
vice presidents have no such immunity. Under James Comer and the House investigation,
00:37:45.120
there is no question now that Joe Biden, when he said he knew nothing about Hunter's business and
00:37:50.820
nobody in my family received any money from China, those are lies. Those are egregious lies.
00:37:57.120
And I'm hopeful that Attorney General Pam Bondi and FBI Director Kash Patel will investigate and find out
00:38:06.560
exactly what happened. If in fact, Joe Biden, as a sitting vice president, was taking huge payments from
00:38:12.240
China or Russia or Ukraine or Romania or any other country, as appears to be the case, well,
00:38:19.080
then he ought to be prosecuted. That's what happens when you have a one-tier justice system
00:38:24.280
and everybody's held to the same standard. That said, this doesn't surprise me. I would be surprised
00:38:32.340
if Joe Biden doesn't pardon his brother, other members of the Biden crime family, perhaps even
00:38:38.000
himself before he leaves office. So this idea that Roger Stone was pardoned. Yeah. And the judge
00:38:47.460
withheld exculpatory evidence of my trial would prove I didn't do anything wrong. No, sorry, folks. I wasn't
00:38:53.960
lying to cover up Russian collusion because there was no Russian collusion to cover up. No, I wasn't lying to
00:39:00.600
cover up WikiLeaks collaboration because there was no WikiLeaks collaboration to cover up. The judge
00:39:07.440
refused to give us the CrowdStrikes report. I could have proven that there, through expert testimony
00:39:12.700
and forensic evidence, there was no online hack of the DNC. The FBI admitted in the pretrial motions
00:39:19.780
they'd never inspected the computer servers at the DNC. And actually, when BuzzFeed went into federal
00:39:28.300
court to force the U.S. Department of Justice to disgorge Robert Mueller's final report, you can see it
00:39:34.900
right there in black and white. They found no evidence of Russian collusion or collaboration
00:39:39.820
with WikiLeaks so that I had received any materials from WikiLeaks. So it's pretty simple. John, you know
00:39:45.860
this. Lou certainly know it. They framed me for a non-existent process crime in an effort to pressure me
00:39:53.320
into testifying falsely against Donald Trump. And I simply refused to do it. And through the grace of
00:39:59.480
God and a lot of prayer, Donald Trump saw that I was being politically persecuted, that I'd really done
00:40:05.020
nothing wrong. And he not only commuted my sentence, but he gave me a full and unconditional
00:40:12.040
presidential pardon. Now, there's a piece in Politico yesterday about a guy I'm very excited about, a guy
00:40:18.760
named Anthony Constantino, a young, dynamic businessman from upstate New York, who's announced
00:40:24.500
that he will seek the seat of Elise Stefanik, who is vacating the seat to become Donald Trump's UN
00:40:29.860
ambassador. An excellent appointment, by the way. She is a bulldog when it comes to the Constitution and
00:40:36.340
our freedoms and the corruption in our criminal justice system. And it's a great story. It mentions
00:40:42.540
that I am supporting Constantino, which I am because I'm very impressed with him. It mentions that my
00:40:47.600
sentence is commuted, but nowhere in there does it mention that I was pardoned. And I've asked the
00:40:52.740
guy who wrote it for Politico, I've asked him two times for an update, an online update, but that
00:40:59.840
update doesn't seem to be forthcoming. It's just another example of how the fake news media distorts
00:41:06.000
the facts. You know, it's funny, Roger, I was just Googling real quick. You've been in this business for
00:41:10.660
over 50 years. Is it safe to say that's an accurate number?
00:41:15.800
Okay, so you've been in this business 50 years. It took you 40-something years to all of a sudden
00:41:22.160
become a criminal. It makes no sense to me. You're in this business 50. Usually people who are criminals,
00:41:27.240
Roger, live a life filled of crime. It's usually not one instance where you decide, all right,
00:41:32.140
50 years later, now I'm 65 years old, I'm going to become a criminal and I'm going to lie.
00:41:36.860
It's mind-blowing to me that you decided after 50 years, you're going to become a criminal.
00:41:40.960
The other thing that's crazy to me, Roger, is if you look at the situation, the no underlying crime,
00:41:46.700
this is the thing that blows my mind. If you're under oath and you're giving a statement to the
00:41:50.280
FBI about the alleged crime, but there is no underlying crime to begin with. And you make a
00:41:56.520
false statement, whether it be on purpose or by accident, by not recalling something, you are held
00:42:02.600
responsible for that false statement or that incorrect statement you gave, but there's no
00:42:07.820
underlying crime in the first place for this case to be even brought, which is the, it seems the,
00:42:13.300
the scenario in which you found yourself or which they allege that you found yourself in. So that's
00:42:18.440
mind-blowing to me in the first place because there's no investigation. There's no Roger Stone
00:42:22.400
under oath in the first place without this bullshit that they perpetrated on you. You brought up DNC
00:42:28.340
WikiLeaks and you'd mentioned Lou. Nobody cared more about that, that situation than Lou. And when
00:42:34.020
Lou came out and spoke about it, Lou got sued by Seth Rich, the DNC staffer who was shot in the back
00:42:39.980
of his head in what they called was a robbery and nothing was ever stolen from him. My lawyer,
00:42:46.240
a man by the name of Ty Clevenger has been investigating it now since it happened, asked the FBI for the
00:42:51.960
laptop. They were demanded to turn it over by a court, never turned over that laptop. Very odd. The FBI
00:42:57.500
said they had the laptop. Then they said they didn't have the laptop. The laptop was allegedly sent
00:43:01.220
out to Seth's brother in Colorado. Never got just a whole cluster mess. And, and it turns out
00:43:07.420
that Lou was most likely vindicated. We, you know, we don't know what the settlement was between the
00:43:13.600
Rich family and Fox news, but there was reportedly a settlement where they were paid out. The Rich
00:43:17.980
family cared more about getting a payday from Fox news than finding out what really happened to their
00:43:22.920
son. So that's sort of a travesty. If you look at it, the other thing you brought up was Comer and
00:43:29.640
the investigations in the Biden family. Do you think Comer now goes harder than he went before
00:43:34.920
with the Republican Congress, the Republican Senate, with the Republican in the white house?
00:43:40.020
I certainly, I certainly hope so because it's abundantly clear that Joe Biden does not have
00:43:45.920
immunity from acts that took place during his vice presidency. And if a vice president United States
00:43:53.580
is a crook, well, I think we need to know that. What you say is absolutely right, by the way,
00:43:58.420
Ty Clevenger, an excellent lawyer representing you, who's been fighting very hard to get to the bottom
00:44:03.680
of what really happened here. But, but in order to violate the false statements act, your statement has
00:44:11.540
to not only be willfully false, but it has to be material. Right. And no, my testimony was voluntary
00:44:19.100
and nothing I said that was incorrect. I did make some mistakes, but as you point out, they hid no
00:44:25.380
underlying crime because there was no underlying crime to hide. So it is, it is fairly outrageous.
00:44:32.480
Meanwhile, James Clapper testifies under oath that no, we don't have a metadata collection system on
00:44:39.420
Americans. That's a lie, a material lie. John Brennan says, no, I wasn't spying on a U.S. Senate
00:44:46.060
committee that was looking into my illegal use of torture as CIA director. That's a material lie for
00:44:52.340
which he should have been prosecuted. James Comey lies multiple times before the Congress under oath.
00:44:59.440
Hillary Clinton, Jake Sullivan, these people all lie under oath, but they lie about material matters
00:45:04.940
that actually matter. Of course, none of them were prosecuted. So it is, as I said earlier,
00:45:10.320
it's time to rebalance the scales of justice. It's time to return to a one tiered criminal justice
00:45:16.500
system in which people who actually commit crimes, unlike me, are prosecuted. I'll be waiting patiently
00:45:23.360
for that. Yeah. Cause you know, at the end of the day, Roger, it's not fair. It's not fair that you've
00:45:27.420
worked your whole entire life. You're in your seventies now. I don't mean to call it your age,
00:45:31.580
but I think it's important that the people realize you worked your whole entire life to
00:45:35.920
eventually retire one day with your wife and live a normal life. And five years ago, when you decided
00:45:41.400
you were going to back Donald Trump, and it wasn't just five years ago, folks, Roger Stone was behind
00:45:45.660
Donald Trump back in 2001 and 2000, even beforehand. But nonetheless, in 2016, when you decided you were
00:45:53.400
going to help Donald Trump win the White House, which you did, everything came collapsing down on you.
00:45:59.340
And that was it. Everything you'd worked for your whole entire life was now fair game. Every dollar
00:46:04.540
you've ever earned was now a fair game that you would have to spend to defend yourself over absolutely
00:46:10.340
nothing. How do people like you ever recuperate? I mean, you can't sue for reparations. It'll just
00:46:16.040
be a waste of time because we've got a corrupt justice department. We have corrupt judges. How does
00:46:20.980
someone like you ever recuperate funds to, you're going to be paying off a tax bill for the rest of
00:46:25.620
your life, Roger? I mean, how do you justify that? How do people like you deal with something like
00:46:31.800
this? It's not right. You ask an excellent question. Let me say this. Although my wife and
00:46:40.220
I may now be materially much poorer, we're spiritually much richer. So I was sustained only through my faith
00:46:47.840
in God and because I was redeemed in the blood of the cross and I returned to the church of my
00:46:54.540
parents and my grandparents and my great-grandparents. And yeah, I get it that the people over at Washington
00:46:59.500
Monthly think that's corny or trite. I don't really care what they think. You know what I care about?
00:47:05.640
I care about what he thinks. That's all I really care about. So we're rebuilding. And frankly,
00:47:11.680
I'm just happy to be alive and around for this incredible moment in which this country is about
00:47:17.340
to undertake an unprecedented golden age of peace and prosperity and security and justice under a man
00:47:26.080
who's already proven to be a great president, but will prove to be an even greater president in his
00:47:31.300
second term. So it's funny. During the questioning by the House Intelligence Committee, I was asked whether
00:47:39.440
I'd spoken to anti-Russians and I didn't recall having done so. And then it turned out later that
00:47:45.440
I had been contacted by a man who called himself Greenberg. And Greenberg, this fellow who called
00:47:54.620
himself Greenberg, said he needed to meet with me. I met with him very briefly. He told me that he had
00:48:00.160
information on Hillary Clinton and he thought it could be very helpful to Donald Trump. And I said,
00:48:05.980
well, you know, when a presidential campaign stuff comes in over the transom all the time,
00:48:09.960
I'd have to see it to know whether it had any value. He said, well, that's going to cost you
00:48:14.460
two million bucks. And I said, well, A, I don't have two million bucks. And if I did have two million
00:48:20.000
dollars, this is not how I would spend it. And he said, no, no, you don't understand. It's not your
00:48:23.900
money I want. It's Donald Trump's money. And I said, well, that's the end of this meeting then,
00:48:28.900
because he has no interest in buying any information from you or anyone else. And I left.
00:48:33.140
Right. Now, later, it turns out that I didn't know this at the time that Mr. Greenberg was a
00:48:37.780
Russian national. But guess what else he was, John? He was an FBI informant. Of course. He was
00:48:44.520
only in Miami. I have the documents. He was only in Miami because he had been convicted of a violent
00:48:50.720
crime in Russia at the at the sufferance of the Miami station chief of the FBI. So it was a sting
00:48:58.240
operation. Now, in the beginning, Adam Schiff, that pencil neck and Eric Swallows. Well,
00:49:05.020
they were jumping up and down screaming, Trump lied about meeting a Russian. But then when they found
00:49:09.940
out that the Russian in question was an FBI informant, he disappeared entirely from their
00:49:15.400
hearings. There's one sentence about him in the Mueller report. And they didn't mention that he was
00:49:24.220
You know, I got to be honest with you, Roger, you could be Russian for all I know. And I've spoken
00:49:28.760
to you many times over the course of the last few years. And I wouldn't even know, you know,
00:49:33.280
it never dawns upon me to ask somebody where they domiciled before I speak to them. But now,
00:49:38.080
you know, I think I probably should start asking as xenophobic or racist as it may sound.
00:49:43.520
Roger, we know you're striped for time. We appreciate you joining us each and every day here on the
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Great America show. Folks, I want to leave you guys with something. 202-224-3121, 202-224-3121.
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Call your senators, folks, if you live in Oklahoma, if you live in Maine, and put the pressure on them.
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Trust me, this is from people I know on the inside. It moves the needle. You may say calling
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them is not going to do anything. These congressmen, these senators all walk around their offices.
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They hear the phones ringing all day long. Some of them, congressmen I've worked for after I've
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gotten off the phone and said, who just called and what did they want? It moves the needle. Trust
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me. Roger, you get the last word here. As we look forward to just under over a month until President
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Trump's back in the White House. Well, John, it's great to be with you. You raised an interesting
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question about ethnicity. I, of course, am half Hungarian and half Italian. I'm Italian from the
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waist down. John is right about this, though. I'm going to say it again. 202-224-3121.
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That's the Capitol Hill operator. Politely ask for your senator's office. And when you call and
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politely say to them, don't yell, don't shout, don't curse. Politely say to them that they should
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support the president's nominee. And if they do not do so, you will remember when they come up for
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re-election or when they are challenged. With that, we'll leave it there. God bless you,
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John. Thanks for having me. And well, we'll see you next week.
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You're absolutely right. Roger, Great American, we all pray for you each and every day on this show
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and hope that one day the wrongs are righted because you deserve it, brother.
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Thanks, everybody, for being with us today here on The Great America Show. I appreciate
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you joining us each and every day and taking an hour of your day to join us for some of the most
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important political talk that I think we could have. And that's much needed in this country
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I hope. Same time, same place, where our quest for truth, justice, and the American way continues,
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