The now twice indicted, twice impeached, twice hit with special counsel investigations, President Donald J. Trump is back on the campaign trail, combatant and defiant as ever. Not only that, but, despite the ignorance of the Biden regime and the venality of the Marxist Dems, President Trump today has his largest lead so far in the 2024 race.
00:00:30.000Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. This is The Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
00:00:34.660The now twice indicted, twice impeached, twice hit with special counsel investigations, President Donald J. Trump back on the campaign trail, combatant and defiant as ever and with every provocation and right to be.
00:00:49.660Not only that, despite the ignorance of the Biden regime and the venality of the Marxist Dems, President Trump today has his largest lead so far in the 2024 race polling.
00:01:03.200The latest polling from CBS shows Trump polling at 61 percent, with DeSantis at a very distant 23 percent.
00:01:11.500That same poll found among Republican voters that 61 percent say Trump's indictment won't change their views about his candidacy.
00:01:22.02076 percent say Trump's indictment is politically motivated.
00:01:26.960And 80 percent say Trump should be able to be president even if he's convicted by the overclassified documents hoax.
00:01:35.320President Trump at times seemed to be celebrating the indictment with his supporters as he campaigned in North Carolina and Georgia.
00:01:43.900Here is President Trump on the 2024 race.
00:01:48.240And on November 5th, 2024, we're going to stand up to the corrupt political establishment.
00:01:55.300We're going to evict a totally corrupt president, Joe Biden, from the White House.
00:02:00.060And we're going to finish the job that we started, the most successful presidency.
00:02:10.600President Trump is indeed the man to beat, the man to finish the job.
00:02:15.460And while President Trump was out campaigning over the weekend, the Rhinos and Marxists made their rounds on MMM, the Marxist mainstream media.
00:02:26.040We noticed one of our very favorite Rhinos showing up on the cabler Sunday with his take on the Mar-a-Lago case.
00:02:34.420Here he is, former Attorney General William Barr.
00:02:37.640And I think the counts under the Espionage Act that he willfully retained those documents are solid counts.
00:02:44.960Now, I do think we have to wait and see what the defense says and what proves to be true.
00:02:51.180But I do think that even half of what Andy McCarthy said, which if even half of it is true, then he's toast.
00:02:58.140I mean, it's a very detailed indictment, and it's very, very damning.
00:03:04.220And this idea of presenting Trump as a victim here, a victim of a witch hunt, is ridiculous.
00:04:12.700Tom Fenton is the president of Judicial Watch.
00:04:15.620Tom and Judicial Watch playing, I think, one of the most important roles in this country, a great watchdog group, Judicial Watch.
00:04:23.440Tom, great to have you back with us here on The Great America Show.
00:04:26.300I'd like to get, first of all, your impressions about where the president stands at this very moment in his persecution by the Biden regime and the deep state.
00:05:17.420And that crazed, that vicious and venal, why is there not more of, and I know this is a wide open question I'm asking, but why is it the Republican leadership in particular on Capitol Hill cannot bring itself to stand up and demand better for this president?
00:05:40.980At least show the American people that they have some courage, some level of commitment to the Constitution.
00:05:51.160Well, there are many reasons why that isn't happening.
00:05:54.420You got folks who are concerned about it, but don't have the.
00:05:58.540Have either fear or a failure of imagination to do anything about it within their powers.
00:06:03.460And then you have another category where they don't care about anything.
00:06:07.420So, you know, you know, I mean, we had a we you know, we had the Chinese send a spy craft over the middle of the United States doing figure figure eights over our military base.
00:06:19.680You know, we can't get people to be excited about that.
00:06:22.480You know, an indictment of Trump, you know, that's going to be you know, that's that's the political class in a nutshell.
00:06:28.180They don't care about anything other than their own power.
00:06:31.940But thirdly, the more dangerous types are in terms of of not just politics, but in terms of our constitutional system are those who want to see Trump punished, who like this abuse of him.
00:07:29.860It's anyone who opposes the deep state, you know, retaliation or an abuse and and scare tactics.
00:07:35.440We know Jack Smith has a record of ideological fervor of mad left wing activism, including putting forth the template, really, for the weaponization of the federal government by being shoulder to shoulder with Lois Lerner and actually going after conservative groups through the the Internal Revenue Service and getting away with it.
00:08:02.900And then projecting to this point in our nation's progress to its destiny, we see the entire federal government weaponized.
00:08:12.560How can this man be allowed by the Republican Party to be a special counsel to anything pertaining specifically to elections, their leading and presumptive presidential nominee?
00:08:24.940Well, you know, I went over some of those reasons.
00:08:33.560We know he's targeting state legislators from public information.
00:08:37.940Those citizens involved in trying to come up with alternative slates of electors and the 2020 campaign election disputes, investigating the fundraising apparatus of the RNC.
00:08:54.100It's a Democrat partisan leftist fishing expedition being run by these ideologues and the Garland team at the Justice Department and their appointees in the name of Jack Smith, where they're misusing the awful power.
00:09:11.940And I don't mean awful in a negative sense, but in terms of, you know, full of awe of a federal grand jury to target their political opponents and their political party, the political party that's their opponent as well.
00:09:27.160So and the Republicans are oblivious to it.
00:09:30.420People on the Hill are largely oblivious to it because they didn't really care about election integrity.
00:09:35.320So they were really involved in the fights, right?
00:09:38.860Certainly in 2020, you know, but when I'm in front of a grand jury and they're arguing with me, these partisan prosecutors and ideologues about tweets I sent out about election integrity, there's something seriously wrong with our system.
00:09:54.920You know, there there's no question there's something seriously wrong and there is something seriously wrong with the capacity of a federal government and the deep state and the Marxist stems who've controlled that federal government, irrespective of the Trump presidency for for the past decade.
00:10:12.920We have a moment right now in history in which they reach out and go after the head of the, in my opinion, the leading watchdog organization in Washington, D.C., Judicial Watch, which you had how the temerity to even think about going after you is stunning.
00:10:35.780Give us a sense of how it came to be, what you think, if you will, triggered the Marxist left.
00:10:45.060Well, they were upset that I had highlighted publicly and it became reported that I told Trump that, you know, their analysis of the records issue is all wrong, that he had a right to have records.
00:11:01.560And if he turns any over and after he turned them over, you know, he should at least clarify that the records were his to turn over and he was doing it voluntarily and they're his personal records.
00:11:14.420And if we want to argue about whether they should become classified or, or, or, or given to the American people for history, that's one thing, but don't accuse me of doing something wrong because these records were mine to keep.
00:11:26.180And they were angry at me about that because that was the position of the Justice Department prior to them targeting and raiding his home with Donald, with Bill Clinton's software records, those tape recordings he had that Judicial Watch had litigated.
00:11:41.620And so we knew what we were talking about.
00:11:43.540I mean, we have 30 years experience litigating federal records law.
00:11:47.120So we were front and center there and, and now we had all these lawsuits against them.
00:11:56.000And then I didn't know this at the time that they served me with the speed in November of last year, but then the Biden records started popping up, right?
00:12:03.260Then they knew if Biden had a records problem, right?
00:12:05.680And, and, and, and, you know, and of course we were, we were going to be on that, like, you know what?
00:12:10.620And, um, you know, so what better way to keep me quiet and to intimidate Judicial Watch than to send the FBI to my home and knock on my door.
00:12:20.380And, you know, I just happened to be at home that evening, um, because I just come, literally just come back from a day's worth of cancer surgery, skin cancer surgery.
00:12:30.420And, and the FBI is hounding me at home over, over my First Amendment protective speech related to not only the Mar-a-Lago stuff, but also the electoral debates.
00:12:45.240I mean, it's like, it's not like I went in there, you know, Lou, you know, you get called before a grand jury and you think in the back of your mind, okay, well, I'm a witness.
00:12:52.580I, I don't know what's, you know, this is all just a retaliation, but you're thinking, well, maybe something happened, right?
00:12:59.380And I don't know it, but they're going to ask me about it and I'm going to go, holy shnikes, there was a crime here.
00:13:18.140And, you know, there were maybe three or four questions where, you know, they want to be sure I didn't see classified information and things like that.
00:13:26.480You know, those things, I could have told them over the phone.
00:13:29.940Everything else was just arguing with me about tweets and emails and other things related to policy debates.
00:13:36.780And I just can't believe that the jury, grand jury process was being, you know, for four hours.
00:14:16.580And, you know, not to say they knew that I was sick, but, you know, but when you exercise that authority over someone, you interrupt and impact their lives, right?
00:14:24.600So you need to take responsibility for it.
00:14:26.760And so if you're going to impact someone's life and by forcing them to go to a grand jury and play games with them, then, you know, my life at that time included skin cancer.
00:14:41.800And as far as I'm concerned, you know, and I was so sick after that surgery, it wasn't because of the surgery.
00:14:48.060I'm convinced it was because of the stress of getting a subpoena.
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00:17:28.000Or were they fishing for an opportunity?
00:17:30.680Were they looking for some way to ensnare you as well?
00:17:35.840Well, you're always sensitive about that because when you – you know, the proffer session I talked about, you know, you have your attorneys there.
00:17:41.160So they can, you know, help and check the other side if they, you know, start, you know, taking advantage of me as a witness.
00:17:49.800But that's not the case in a grand jury.
00:17:51.820I got to – I'm in that grand jury room alone with no attorney.
00:17:55.080Now, I can go outside and consult my attorney in a reasonable way, but, you know, I got to, you know, answer the questions.
00:18:03.700And, you know, there were a bunch of gotcha questions, but, you know, there was nothing – you know, I was a witness.
00:18:11.400And I told them things I probably didn't want to hear about what they were doing and why they shouldn't have been doing it.
00:18:18.320But the one troubling – the one troubling I would call misconduct, and I'm still ticked about it, is that one – there were three, by the way.
00:18:27.680Like, not one, not two, but three prosecutors tag-teaming me.
00:18:33.560And the one prosecutor says, well, you know, or do you plan to talk about this testimony, what happened here today, publicly, to anyone?
00:19:36.360But what sort of garbage is that coming out of a prosecutor for the federal government in a sensitive grand jury matter involving a former president of the United States?
00:19:44.640And if that's the crowd that's going after Trump, he's going to be indicted six ways this Sunday.
00:19:52.240Well, that is the – I prefer to call them what they are, a gang.
00:20:00.560They're using the law as battering rams and cudgels to mete out injustice and great harm to the president of the United States when he was president, before he was president, and now post-presidency.
00:20:22.700The ignorance, the savagery of this Department of Justice is unprecedented, unparalleled, and unthinkable, frankly, in this country.
00:20:48.680Well, you know, I know I'm president of Judicial Watch, so I guess I should love Judicial Watch, but that's really why I love Judicial Watch.
00:20:55.140So they come in, they harass us, right?
00:21:11.320We had gotten, like, notes showing who was being interviewed.
00:21:14.320But now they've decided that we can't find out the name of anyone working for Jack Smith under the law, which is highly unusual.
00:21:24.080There's no legal basis to withhold the information as best we can tell.
00:21:29.040And so we've had to sue in federal court.
00:21:30.980And you know why they're hiding the names, Lou, because they're all a bunch of partisan Democrats who probably have donations up the wazoo to, you know, the usual suspects.
00:21:40.840And they don't want the American people to see, again, what has previously happened.
00:21:46.360You mean just like Jack Smith and his wife?
00:22:25.160So when is there an assertion by so-called nonpartisans in this country, in positions of leadership, business, education, academia, science, you name the sector, to say this is not the way America behaves.
00:22:47.120This is not the way a president of the United States is treated.
00:22:51.780Almost eight years of political persecution without any evidence of wrongdoing whatsoever.
00:22:58.960In fact, all that has been amassed in that time are truckloads of documents showing that the federal government is politically corrupt, the Department of Justice, the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Internal Revenue Service, the Department of Homeland Security, and the list goes on and on.
00:23:19.640And did I mention the entire the entire intelligence community?
00:23:24.180Yeah, it's a it's a real crisis we have with both partisans and civil servants who pretend not to be partisan in the administrative agencies.
00:23:34.860And of course, our cultural elites are all to the left who don't care about this abuse of power and this disrespect for our constitutional government.
00:23:43.500You know, the president has a right to be president when he's president.
00:23:46.720Right. And he's allowed to exercise his powers.
00:23:50.220And the same goes for former presidents.
00:23:52.920If former presidents are held to the rules that, you know, Trump is being held to now, which are new rules made up out of whole cloth, you know, who's going to want to be president?
00:24:01.860I'm sure other than leftists who know they'll be protected.
00:24:05.900So these are this is a way to disrupt our whole system of government.
00:24:10.040And it's not petty politics because the consequences are much greater than that.
00:24:15.480I believe we're at the point where there are only two options, frankly, one is that the Republican representatives and senators stand up and demand better treatment for this president, in fact, and much better conduct from the Department of Justice and basically say to the White House, this will not stand.
00:24:40.700And we're in demand that you cease and desist now.
00:24:44.580I'm not talking about as a legal order.
00:24:46.200I'm talking about as a moral and ethical and American order to this president and this corrupt regime that he has brought with him and the deep state, the corrupt bureaucrats of every department in the federal government.
00:25:02.220Or or or one court, just one in the corrupt federal judiciary, stands up and says this will not stand.
00:25:13.420What are the prospects in your judgment of either of those two things happening?
00:25:19.440Well, I've been begging the leadership of Congress to do the first, and that hasn't happened.
00:25:24.900And I suggest that it be done as part of the debt deal.
00:25:38.640I'm absent of, you know, a public outrage that's and that Congress understands because they're told about it because citizens are calling.
00:25:49.420Now, this this indictment by Trump of Trump that I think is coming, it could be it could be there's a federal court that says, no, that at least on the issue of the document handling and whether he had the right to the documents that they get thrown out.
00:26:07.880Well, that that would not be unsurprising, given our understanding of the law.
00:26:12.320But, you know, that would require a tough judge, an honest judge, an ethical judge.
00:27:22.520The kind of the broader language than classified information suggests they know we're right about the president's prerogatives in handling classified information.
00:27:32.600Of course, the dishonesty is it applies to defense information.
00:27:35.780Just as honesty as the presidential records act, which gives the president's prerogatives.
00:28:49.280We're back with Judicial Watch's Tom Fenton.
00:28:52.180And, Tom, I want to turn first to another aspect of the D.C. judiciary.
00:28:57.760And that is, whether or not, with the Trump lawyers accusing the special counsel of prosecutorial misconduct, do they have a chance of winning on that basis?
00:29:26.320Well, I don't really have an understanding of it.
00:29:29.680There are so many areas here at work, including the way in which they have talked to witnesses, much like your own case, in which they're trying to lead them, badger them, intimidate them, before the grand jury.
00:29:46.340So evidently, something like that happened, right?
00:29:50.360I may be off by a detail or two, but that's my general impression of it.
00:29:54.740And that would be before the judge that handles the grand jury, the chief judge here in the district, is Judge Boesberg, who's an Obama appointee.
00:30:03.740You know, whether that misconduct would result in the whole case being thrown out, I don't know.
00:30:12.980I mean, assuming it had happened, I don't know.
00:30:16.800So if it was an attorney that wasn't in a position to make decisions or impact the investigation, you know, maybe their thinking is he can be walled off and the investigation can continue.
00:30:30.020Remember, that's how they did it with Mueller, right?
00:30:31.960You know, when it became, when they caught these guys gauging in misconduct, what did they do?
00:30:40.180And then admitted later that they got rid of them and just continued doing what they were doing against Trump.
00:30:45.280I suspect that's going to be, if indeed something went wrong, the outcome here.
00:30:49.840Well, I would not bet a lot of money on the integrity of Boesberg, given his background.
00:30:59.440I will hold out hope, but it's hope against the awareness of experience.
00:31:06.840The D.C. courts, you say, have some good judges.
00:31:09.780I say that I have seen very little in the way of impartiality on the part of what is, to me, a den of left-wing partisans on the bench there.
00:31:20.480And a federal judiciary, frankly, that is, to me, broadly speaking, with some exceptions, it's corrupt.
00:31:28.620I mean, how are you going to get a fair trial in this country in this day and age?
00:31:32.240And I'm talking about whether you're in the state trial court system or a federal court system.
00:31:38.440Yeah, I don't see, you know, a trial going well for Trump, no matter what, here.
00:31:46.040And the judges here don't really care much about Trump or for Trump, and that includes Republican appointees.
00:31:54.320So he's gotten a raw deal on virtually every issue here, including, you know, he's had all of his privileges torn apart, and the Biden administration has helped that along.
00:32:57.540Well, Tom, to tell you the truth, when I saw that Menendez was under investigation with the Justice Department, I thought, what is the political motivation for that?
00:33:05.900And what do they have in mind as a replacement for Menendez?
00:33:08.980There had to be some ideological and power interested purpose or objective because they didn't just suddenly find a senator they wanted to go after because he violated the law.
00:33:28.240Well, Menendez is, you know, he's a reliable leftist generally, but on some foreign policy issues, he can be a kind of a stick in the mud for the left.
00:33:36.020He's no friend of the communists in Cuba, for instance, and they don't like him for that.
00:33:41.940And, you know, so they're happy, you know, they're happy to let proceedings go against him.
00:33:48.140And in the case of this current Justice Department investigation, it looks like it's a stretch, you know, just like other investigations of Republicans have been.
00:33:55.340So my point is, it's not partisan, the concern.
00:33:59.980The concern is these agencies operate outside the law too often when it comes to politically sensitive investigations and the rules, you know, and if powerful officials don't get the benefit of the rule of law, what about the regular Joe?
00:34:18.580But, you know, what I consider the great issue here is with all of the obvious blatant in our face corruption on the part of the regime, the Biden regime, the Marxist dims, the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy, the uniparty, if one prefers.
00:35:06.580Well, you know, to come back around to the other part of our discussion, we certainly need better leadership from Congress.
00:35:12.340And if listeners are concerned about it, they need to let their congressmen know that, you know, the FBI and the DOJ, they only operate, there's not a dollar they spend without their permission of Congress.
00:35:24.500So every abuse that we're talking about is fully funded by Congress, despite all the noise you hear about investigations.
00:35:31.300They give the money, and there's been no restrictions on the money.
00:35:35.060There's been no effort, for instance, to defund Jack Smith or cut off federal funding for jurisdictions that don't protect the civil rights Americans, like New York isn't and like Fulton County isn't.
00:35:46.180You know, that sort of creative effort to kind of at least keep the feds and our tax dollars away from that corruption.
00:35:54.200If the Justice Department doesn't want to protect the rule of law, then the Congress can.
00:36:09.620It just requires a bit of will and leadership.
00:36:12.040And to this point, no one has shown more will and leadership and courage than Congressman Jim Jordan, Congressman James Comer, the, I will call them the Brave 20, the Freedom Caucus standing up, and a handful of others.
00:36:31.900But right now, Congressman Comer has canceled the vote to hold Chris Wray, the director of the FBI, in contempt, because, ostensibly, there was an agreement with the FBI to let all members of Oversight see a document.
00:36:47.780And the ranking member and the chairman of the committee to see two other ancillary documents, which are footnotes, as they're called, pertaining to references in that original document, what is it, 1023, FBI document 1023.
00:38:07.560Godspeed as usual, Judicial Watch, because we have to turn to you way too often to do the Lord's work and honor the public's right to know in this country.
00:38:21.260There was a time when the public was more interested in their right to know and more assertive of that right.
00:38:36.600Right now, all I see is that the Constitution, this republic, our political leaders, particularly the leaders of the Republican Party, are tremulous in the face of outright corruption and an organization called the Democrat Party that is really led by Marxist Dems and mean great harm to this republic.
00:39:01.600Tom, as always, we thank you for all of your work and that of Judicial Watch in trying to preserve those rights and this republic.
00:39:10.740We always give our guests the last word, and Tom, if you will, your concluding remarks.
00:39:15.720Well, we're facing a crisis with the indictments of Trump, and I would encourage all of your listeners to, to a degree they are concerned, share those concerns with members of Congress,
00:39:28.260because things won't change unless Congress fears the public opinion and being voted out of office if they don't do the right thing.
00:39:39.860It's difficult to overstate how important it is to communicate with your members of Congress and, of course, supporting Judicial Watch,
00:39:48.140because, you know, for all of my desire to have Congress do the right thing, we don't rely on them to do the right thing, and that's where we come in.
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