The Great America Show - January 08, 2024


TRUMP IS THE REPUBLICAN PARTY


Episode Stats

Length

28 minutes

Words per Minute

146.70715

Word Count

4,188

Sentence Count

299

Misogynist Sentences

10

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

Roger Stone, political strategist to President Trump and former presidential advisor to President Nixon joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the Democratic Party's obsession with keeping President Trump off the ballot in 2020 and why it's time to elect a Republican presidential candidate who can defeat Hillary Clinton.


Transcript

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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Thanks for joining us.
00:01:28.040 We have a big week ahead of us. Congress is finally back to work, or maybe I should just say they're
00:01:33.480 back. And they're supposed to be preparing the way to hold Hunter Biden in contempt of Congress
00:01:38.540 and to refer the president's son to the Justice Department for criminal prosecution.
00:01:43.200 You know, America's at a crossroads when even some Marxist Dems are beginning to realize the vast
00:01:50.400 damage their Democrat party has caused this country. Former Obama advisor David Axelrod on CNN
00:01:58.420 saying what the Democrats are doing to President Trump in trying to keep him off the ballots in some
00:02:05.280 states will, quote, rip the country apart, end quote. Here is Democrat Axelrod on the madness of the
00:02:14.340 Marxists. All of this is strengthening him in the Republican primary. We've run this experiment.
00:02:21.680 You know, he's only gained since he started getting indicted. You know, what you thought might be
00:02:26.680 kryptonite for him has turned out to be battery packs. And this is a big one for him. Presumably,
00:02:32.920 the Supreme Court will deal with it fairly quickly. And I expect that they will leave him on the ballot.
00:02:38.960 And yes, Brianna, I have very, very strong reservations about all of this. I do think
00:02:45.560 it would rip the country apart if he were actually prevented from running because tens of millions of
00:02:52.080 people want to vote for him. I think if you're going to beat Donald Trump, you're going to probably
00:02:56.600 have to do it at the polls. And now the Supreme Court has taken up the issue of states removing
00:03:02.580 President Trump from their ballots, whether it's legal, constitutional or not. And President Trump
00:03:08.980 has also predicted that bad things, as he put it, will happen if the justices should bow to the
00:03:15.260 Marxist Dems' intimidation. Personally, I can't imagine the court failing to take down any state's
00:03:21.640 refusal to keep President Trump off the ballot. We'll know more soon, in early February, when the
00:03:28.440 court rules on the issue. President Trump is dominating all the primary election polls and
00:03:34.240 the establishment Republicans' favorite candidate, that is Nikki Haley, is almost 30 points behind
00:03:40.940 Trump in Iowa. And that gap, in my opinion, will likely widen as she makes mistake after mistake,
00:03:48.040 including the mistake of permitting voters to see just who and what she really is.
00:03:54.120 A newly resurfaced video from 2015 that reveals why the RINOs and Uniparty really like her.
00:04:02.700 She's all in for amnesty for illegal immigrants, all 10 million that would be. 10 million that Biden
00:04:09.580 has brought into the country since stealing the election of 2020. Just listen to Haley tell us how we
00:04:15.520 have to protect the illegals coming into the country. We are a country of immigrants. I am the proud
00:04:22.220 daughter of Indian parents that reminded us every day how blessed we were to live in this country.
00:04:27.040 They resent when people come here illegally. But let's keep in mind, these people that are wanting
00:04:32.040 to come here, they want to come for a better life, too. They have kids, too. They have a heart, too.
00:04:39.280 So we don't need to be disrespectful. We don't need to talk about them as criminals. They're not.
00:04:46.720 They're families that want a better life, and they're desperate to get here.
00:04:49.940 I guess that's exactly what we should expect from a globalist like Haley. The latest polling has her
00:04:55.680 down almost 30 points to President Trump in her own home state of South Carolina. It's not looking
00:05:01.340 good for her, and it won't get looking any better, in my opinion. Our guest today is the great Roger
00:05:07.260 Stone, political strategist, former advisor to President Trump, Reagan, and Nixon. Great to have
00:05:13.880 you with us, Roger, and great always to talk with you here. A lot going on. The establishment
00:05:19.600 continues to try to push Nikki Haley. They had a misadventure early with Governor DeSantis.
00:05:25.760 As we all know, it looks like they are right in the midst of another similar result.
00:05:31.000 Well, first of all, Lou, thank you for having me again, and Happy New Year. I'm always glad to be
00:05:35.500 here on The Great America Show. I think you're absolutely right. The never-Trump wing of the
00:05:43.120 Republican Party, which still exists not so much at the voter level, particularly the primary voter
00:05:48.900 level, but exists at the leadership levels of the party, are really flogging the candidacy of Nikki
00:05:57.160 Haley. She has taken in $70 million from special interests in just the last couple weeks.
00:06:04.480 She may or may not pass Governor DeSantis in Iowa. And if she does, here's my prediction. Headline,
00:06:14.700 Haley beats DeSantis in Iowa in upset. Subhead, Trump comes in first as expected.
00:06:21.520 You can't make this stuff up. I mean, even if Nikki Haley does manage to get by Governor Ron
00:06:30.760 DeSantis for second place, it'll be a distant second. I mean, it could be a gap of as many
00:06:36.660 as 30 points. Nobody's ever won the Iowa caucuses by more than 20. Trump in 2016
00:06:43.800 had a very ragtag, pasted together operation on the ground, but he was a phenomena. He came in a
00:06:54.680 very strong second considering that he really wasn't organized. Caucuses are different than
00:07:01.000 primaries. Primary, you walk in, you vote, you leave. At least that's the way it's supposed to be.
00:07:07.180 A caucus is a meeting that you have to show up and stick around for a while. A very cold night,
00:07:12.720 January 15th. You could be there 45 minutes to cast your vote. If there's a lot of people,
00:07:18.240 you're going to be there longer to cast your vote. So in this case, having a structure,
00:07:24.140 having a well-oiled machine to turn out your supporters is crucial. So it's just kind of two
00:07:31.220 steps. One, you have to reach and identify enough supporters to win. Trump has done that in spades.
00:07:39.000 I think he's sitting on a data bank of 90,000, close to 100,000 people who have affirmed recently
00:07:46.820 that they will, without any question, vote for Donald Trump. And I have high regard for Chris
00:07:55.040 LaCivita, who's his co-campaign manager. He's probably a great strategist. He's also a great
00:08:00.500 technician, a great political mechanic. He knows what he's doing. I think the Trump campaign is
00:08:05.980 superbly well-organized. Ron DeSantis has spent tens of millions of dollars, remains to be seen yet.
00:08:13.440 Whether he's reached enough people, is there a pool large enough to even bring him in second?
00:08:20.800 And of course, Nikki Haley's depending on broadcast television, wall-to-wall cable news advertising,
00:08:27.680 digital advertising. She has no structure on the ground that I can see.
00:08:32.940 So the real contest for the media will be not a huge victory by President Trump,
00:08:39.720 because I do think he's going to win. Winning is defined as coming in first, by the way,
00:08:45.260 but who comes in second and how that impacts New Hampshire.
00:08:50.380 Yeah, that's quite a rundown. And I think that everybody is benefiting from your analysis of it
00:08:57.900 and the layout. How important is it, in your opinion, now because of the caucuses, how important
00:09:09.320 is New Hampshire? We're sitting here getting very close to that as well.
00:09:14.820 I think it's very important, as it was in 1980, for example, when George Bush won the caucuses,
00:09:21.860 but lost the New Hampshire primary or in 2016, when Ted Cruz very narrowly won the Iowa caucuses,
00:09:29.380 perhaps as the result of a dirty trick, because somebody put out a blast text message to every
00:09:34.860 registered Republican primary voter telling them that Dr. Ben Carson had dropped out of the race
00:09:39.480 when Ben Carson, in fact, had not dropped out of the race.
00:09:42.780 No one ever learned who actually was responsible for that act of chicanery.
00:09:48.240 But New Hampshire is going to be important. It's a little different in that independents can vote
00:09:53.980 in the Republican primary. And there is no Democratic primary because they wouldn't let
00:09:59.620 Robert Kennedy Jr. compete there. He, as you know, bolted the party to perhaps draw independence.
00:10:06.980 Now, how many independents are going to cross over into the Republican Party to vote for Nikki Haley?
00:10:13.760 That remains to be seen. But if, as I expect, DeSantis falls short in Iowa, he doesn't win Iowa.
00:10:23.220 When does Define just come in first? It's interesting, as his candidacy collapses, whatever votes he does
00:10:29.280 have, Trump gets eight out of ten of them. So his actually losing Iowa, folding his tent before New Hampshire
00:10:38.540 would be beneficial for Trump, although most of his votes would leave whether he's still competing or not.
00:10:46.480 And Nikki Haley, it would be in her interest if Chris Christie would drop out.
00:10:51.360 It's only three percent of the vote, but those votes, I can tell you, are more likely to go to Haley.
00:10:55.400 I don't think that's likely to happen either. So I think Trump will win both contests.
00:11:00.940 Then I think he will roll through South Carolina if he dispatches Nikki Haley in her home state,
00:11:06.800 which he most definitely can do. But then I think it's the end of the line for her.
00:11:12.680 We're talking with Roger Stone. We're going to talk some more. And if we may, Roger, I'd like to talk a
00:11:18.140 little more about New Hampshire because there's some fascinating issues there. And we've got it coming at us.
00:11:24.860 Very quickly, as 2024 is underway. Roger Stone, we'll be right back. Stay with us.
00:11:38.060 We're back now with Roger Stone. And Roger, you were analyzing New Hampshire.
00:11:44.120 My interest in New Hampshire has been heightened because I watch Sununu, Governor Sununu,
00:11:51.660 hawking Nikki Haley every day and every way, a straightforward push by the establishment.
00:11:59.180 I don't know how much it's costing the donors to have Sununu being a 24-7 cheerleader for Nikki Haley.
00:12:08.080 I've never seen a governor go quite to the extent he has in attacking an opponent, in this case,
00:12:15.640 President Trump and ballyhooing what to me is obviously a second-rate candidate.
00:12:23.940 Well, I must tell you, I had a bad experience with Governor Chris Sununu's father, John Sununu.
00:12:30.280 He was also governor of New Hampshire.
00:12:32.200 I was working at that point for Congressman Jack Kemp, but I also had served on the Senate staff
00:12:38.140 of Senator Bob Dole, with whom I was also still quite friendly.
00:12:42.360 John Sununu lied to both Bob Dole and Jack Kemp for almost 12 months,
00:12:46.880 insisting that he had no antecedent commitment to Vice President George Bush, when in fact he did.
00:12:52.880 So I think that this kind of political chicanery runs in the family.
00:12:59.180 I'm not much of a fan of Chris Sununu.
00:13:02.700 I think he is his effort.
00:13:05.720 First of all, he's a never-Trumper, but secondarily, I think his major effort is to pull independence into the primary.
00:13:14.220 Endorsements, generally speaking, in my 45 years of experience in American politics, with one exception,
00:13:22.800 endorsements don't mean that much unless it's Donald Trump doing the endorsing.
00:13:28.280 This is a phenomenon I've never seen before.
00:13:30.860 I mean, support is not transferable.
00:13:33.220 People don't say, well, I'm for Smith because Jones is supporting them.
00:13:37.080 They say, I'm for Smith because I like Smith.
00:13:39.440 The one exception to that rule is Donald Trump.
00:13:42.040 We saw in Florida in 2018 when he lifted an obscure and unknown congressman named Ron DeSantis out of obscurity,
00:13:51.260 catapulted him to the Republican nomination for governor of Florida,
00:13:55.480 then changed his own schedule to return to Florida three times the last two weeks of the 2018 campaign
00:14:02.180 to literally drag DeSantis over the finish line, also dragged in Senator Rick Scott.
00:14:07.480 They won by razor-thin margins.
00:14:12.360 The Trump endorsement, I've seen it in poll after poll after poll.
00:14:16.700 I've seen it in real time.
00:14:18.280 Wax a wallop, a real wallop.
00:14:20.780 I don't think that Governor Sununu can deliver a victory over Donald Trump for Nikki Haley.
00:14:27.320 And then her missteps, Lou, have been extraordinary.
00:14:30.260 No, the Civil War was about slavery.
00:14:33.440 What part of this do you not understand?
00:14:36.600 In New Hampshire, of all places.
00:14:40.480 It's amazing.
00:14:42.060 And to think that someone said the other day that Nikki Haley is exactly who she appears to be
00:14:49.900 each time she's before a different audience.
00:14:53.140 She conforms to them.
00:14:54.640 Absolutely.
00:14:56.800 Now, as we look at the president's numbers, he's just dominating.
00:15:02.080 Have you ever seen this level of domination for a man who, you know, I mean, we know he's
00:15:09.100 the strongest and best candidate, but there's something going on here.
00:15:13.580 The power of these numbers is extraordinary.
00:15:16.780 Well, yes.
00:15:18.160 Let me address it.
00:15:19.200 First, let me say this about Nikki Haley.
00:15:20.620 I really honestly believe that the main reason that President Trump appointed Nikki Haley
00:15:25.300 to the U.N. was so that the lieutenant governor, Henry McMaster, could become governor, because
00:15:30.840 Henry McMaster is not only a good man who I've known back to the Reagan days, but a very solid
00:15:35.700 early Trump supporter, which, of course, Nikki Haley was not.
00:15:40.180 In fact, when the Republican leadership chose a spokesperson to answer Donald Trump early in
00:15:45.800 the campaign, they put Nikki Haley on the air.
00:15:48.340 So I remember Trump specifically saying, I'd like to give Nikki Haley a job.
00:15:53.140 I want to send her someplace where she can do the least damage.
00:15:55.900 Where can we send her where nothing whatsoever really happens?
00:15:58.440 I said, how about the U.N.?
00:16:00.220 That would be perfect.
00:16:01.900 So maybe it's my fault.
00:16:03.020 I don't know.
00:16:04.600 I've never.
00:16:06.100 Look, I've studied a lot of polling.
00:16:07.860 Lou, I try to be dispassionate.
00:16:10.000 Like you, I'm a Trump supporter, but I'm also a realist.
00:16:12.900 And I can spot a trend or an uptick or an anomaly in the polling.
00:16:18.060 It's not just that Trump continues to gain.
00:16:22.220 It's the level of intensity of his support, meaning his voters are rock solid, meaning
00:16:28.900 almost nine out of ten, eight and a half out of ten will tell you, I'm not changing my mind.
00:16:34.620 I'm definitely voting for Trump.
00:16:36.100 There's nobody else I would vote for.
00:16:38.240 These same people, I really believe in a general election, if Trump were not the nominee, they
00:16:44.760 would not vote Republican, particularly since many of them do see the DeSantis candidacy as
00:16:51.080 an act of treachery, given Trump's role in catapulting the career of DeSantis to the
00:16:57.820 governorship.
00:16:58.700 So those who try to tell me that, you know, Trump can't win, I would argue that he's the
00:17:03.980 only Republican that can win.
00:17:06.480 There's a subset of voters out there.
00:17:09.640 They're in Milwaukee.
00:17:11.100 They're in Detroit.
00:17:13.600 They're in Atlanta.
00:17:18.920 They're most definitely in Arizona.
00:17:23.260 They're not Republicans.
00:17:25.140 They're Trump supporters.
00:17:26.440 That's why, for example, Trump wins Michigan and Wisconsin and Pennsylvania when Mitt Romney
00:17:35.800 does not.
00:17:37.460 And we used to call them Reagan Democrats.
00:17:40.900 Before that, we called them Nixon Democrats.
00:17:43.140 They're not comfortable in the country club Republican Party, but only Trump can reach those voters.
00:17:50.780 When you add those people to his party base, he's stronger than he's been in 2016.
00:17:58.140 He's stronger than he was in 2020.
00:18:00.300 His political strength at this moment has never been matched.
00:18:05.820 And then I must tell you, I was with him New Year's Eve, and he looks great.
00:18:12.280 I mean, he's lost a little weight.
00:18:14.500 He's really in fighting trim.
00:18:17.080 His mood is extraordinary.
00:18:18.820 For a man carrying around the burdens, a man they're trying to lock up for 600 years, a man
00:18:24.960 who's very successful presidential campaign they are intent in interfering in, he remains
00:18:31.620 resolute.
00:18:32.980 He remains determined.
00:18:35.440 Above all, he remains extraordinarily confident of victory.
00:18:39.180 He was in a great mood on New Year's Eve.
00:18:42.420 Well, as he should be, and the country is grateful for that.
00:18:47.860 He, as you alluded, no one has ever taken this kind of incoming as he has.
00:18:57.300 I mean, the man's strength is extraordinary.
00:18:59.740 We're with the extraordinary Roger Stone, and we're coming right back in just one moment.
00:19:04.920 We'll find out about an expanding map for the Trump candidacy.
00:19:09.880 And we'll also be talking about a unique plan to deal with the illegal immigrant crisis in
00:19:17.300 this country.
00:19:18.000 Stay with us.
00:19:18.700 We'll be right back.
00:19:25.040 We're back with Roger Stone, and Roger just laid out the president's effective appeal to
00:19:34.360 voters across the country.
00:19:35.740 And I really, I think you've said it just correctly.
00:19:38.580 These are, without question, Trump Republicans.
00:19:44.280 And unfortunately, many of the rhino Republicans don't quite understand the party to which they
00:19:48.640 belong is led by Donald Trump.
00:19:51.440 President Trump now planning, I was shocked to hear today, an expanded map looking to blue
00:20:00.220 states like New York, New Jersey, Virginia, Minnesota, New Mexico.
00:20:06.440 These are unusual states for any Republican.
00:20:11.740 And for this America First icon, who is right now the likely president on Election Day 2024.
00:20:22.940 I'm amazed by this, Roger.
00:20:25.840 Well, Lou, I'd have to tell you, it's all data-based.
00:20:28.940 So, I mean, obviously, Donald Trump would love to carry his native state of New York.
00:20:32.880 Realistically, in the last two elections, there was no polling that showed that it was within his grasp.
00:20:39.660 And therefore, to spend time and resources there, instead of spending it in a swing state like, say,
00:20:45.280 Pennsylvania or Michigan or Wisconsin, would not have been a good use of resources or time.
00:20:50.980 Now, one of my concerns, of course, is that the tsunami of lawfare that is being waged against Donald Trump is designed to relegate him to a courtroom where, in a criminal case, he must be present, if there's a court proceeding, when he should be out campaigning in swing states or in target states.
00:21:10.480 I think it becomes less likely, but still not out of the question, that there may be a trial before the 2024 election.
00:21:18.280 I think that's actually the idea.
00:21:20.540 When CNN and The New York Times both report that Jack Smith is politically motivated in his efforts to get the Supreme Court to expedite the proceedings so he can have a trial, that's saying an enormous amount.
00:21:34.140 But if you study the polling, and I do, and you never look at any one poll, you go look at a series of polls taken within the same time period with a comparable sized sample, neutrally worded questions, the proper order of the questions so there's no order bias, and they all show the same thing, then it's a pretty good bet that you've spotted a trend.
00:22:03.200 And the trend we have seen is that Donald Trump is making inroads into normally, habitually, and traditionally Democratic voter groups, such as African Americans and Hispanic Americans and younger voters.
00:22:17.560 That is reflected in the state polling in New York, New York, New Mexico, and Minnesota.
00:22:25.420 Now, that could change, but as of this moment, all of them are at least theoretically within his grasp.
00:22:32.200 Now, in the end, I still think that the presidency will come down to Arizona, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, Georgia, and Michigan, and it'll actually come down to a handful of counties within those states.
00:22:51.700 And as you know, politics can change in a lifetime, a week in a lifetime, it can be a lifetime.
00:22:59.460 But as of today, I think he could justify, based on the data, an expansion of the electoral map.
00:23:07.400 Well, it's going to be exciting to watch, and this is going to be some year, as you well know.
00:23:14.000 I think everybody in this country knows it's going to be quite a year politically and perhaps in all sorts of other ways as well.
00:23:21.300 Well, President Trump, making an important announcement and an op-ed, he is going to deal straight up, straightforwardly, with the illegal immigration crisis that President Biden has created,
00:23:34.960 using a 200-plus-year law that FDR used to remove thousands of Japanese and Germans during the Second War.
00:23:44.400 And he vows to cancel every single Biden policy that has contributed to what has been a, as he put it, a catastrophe of historic proportions.
00:23:55.380 And I don't see any hyperbole at all in that statement about a catastrophe of historic proportions.
00:24:02.940 Your thoughts on his plan?
00:24:05.500 Well, first of all, President Dwight Eisenhower used the exact same law to justify the deportation of 1.3 million illegals
00:24:13.220 during his presidency.
00:24:14.580 So it can be done.
00:24:17.640 You see this phenomena in our cities and in our states and in our counties where the requirement to provide social services for illegal migrants,
00:24:28.540 in many cases over the needs of American citizens, is bursting the budgets, bankrupting the cities and the counties.
00:24:38.040 The mayor of Chicago, he's a real piece of work anyway.
00:24:42.400 He came out the other day and said, this is just not sustainable.
00:24:46.780 We're going to be broke almost immediately.
00:24:49.080 The answer, he said, is to give these people citizenship.
00:24:52.200 Well, I don't see how that's the answer.
00:24:54.400 That's the answer for you because you'd like them to be able to vote, perhaps.
00:24:58.500 But that is not the answer.
00:24:59.940 When Anthony Blinken, the secretary of state, met with the president of Mexico a week ago to discuss the crisis on our border,
00:25:08.340 they didn't have much to say in their joint statement other than hinting that maybe the answer is to give all these illegals citizenship.
00:25:16.040 So don't blame me if I see a political agenda here because I do.
00:25:20.520 Why would Secretary Mayorkas continue to insist that the border is secure when Carrie Lake tells me that there's 318 gates on the Arizona-Mexico border
00:25:33.760 that are welded open, allegedly, so some rare species of antelope can roam back and forth.
00:25:43.580 It's an invasion.
00:25:45.280 It's purposeful.
00:25:46.480 It is bringing us a fentanyl epidemic, a crime epidemic, an economic ruin where even mayors like New York City Mayor Eric Adams,
00:25:58.500 who, while running for mayor, said he was proud that New York City was a sanctuary city,
00:26:03.780 but now says, folks, it's going to break us.
00:26:06.920 We're on the verge of bankruptcy.
00:26:08.640 He is trying to stop Texas Governor Greg Abbott from bussing or flying illegals from Texas to New York,
00:26:18.880 but I think the governor has every right to do that.
00:26:21.940 Why should Texas absorb all these people?
00:26:25.580 And his answer has been powerful.
00:26:27.780 Almost 100,000 illegal immigrants shipped to various cities and states.
00:26:33.740 And one other development, Roger, and that is an absolute statement of solidarity,
00:26:40.480 the entire House Republican leadership agreeing on one thing, that President Trump should be president in 2025.
00:26:49.920 I take that as a remarkable endorsement.
00:26:53.440 Your thoughts?
00:26:54.860 I think it is a recognition that at the grassroots of the Republican Party,
00:27:00.080 this is no longer the country club party of the Bushes.
00:27:03.440 This is now the America First Party of working Americans, as exemplified by Donald Trump.
00:27:08.920 He is the only candidate who can bring the Republicans' victory next fall.
00:27:13.980 I think it's a recognition of that fact.
00:27:16.380 Some of those folks who have endorsed him, we know, Lou, they don't particularly like him.
00:27:20.760 They don't particularly like his policies.
00:27:22.320 But they are facing reality.
00:27:25.300 And reality is coming at us fast here in 2024.
00:27:28.700 2024, as many have said, I think this election is existential for the republic.
00:27:35.340 And it's very, it's critical that President Trump win it.
00:27:40.320 Roger Stone, thanks so much for being with us.
00:27:42.100 Always enjoy our conversations and my tutorial.
00:27:46.200 I appreciate it, Professor.
00:27:47.660 Thanks so much for being with us.
00:27:49.460 Roger Stone.
00:27:50.300 Great to be with you, Lou.
00:27:51.360 God bless you and Happy New Year.
00:27:53.080 Thanks, Roger Stone.
00:27:54.480 And thanks, everybody, for being with us today.
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