The Great America Show - TRUMP SURGING AMONG KEY VOTER GROUPS

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody, and welcome to The Great America Show.

00:00:05.260 It's great to have you with us.

00:00:06.680 The debate between Kamala Harris and Donald Trump is now almost a week in the rearview

00:00:09.840 mirror, so we should start seeing some polling to reflect where voters stand post-debate.

00:00:14.840 But are we to really believe them, or trust them for that matter?

00:00:18.260 Nate Silver at 538 tells us that we are to trust the New York Times and Siena polling

00:00:21.920 as the gold standard.

00:00:23.360 But in 2020, just days before the election, they put out final projections, and boy did

00:00:27.800 they miss, and they missed big time.

00:00:30.000 In Wisconsin, they said Trump was going to lose by 11 points.

00:00:32.820 He lost by just about 20,000 votes, nowhere near 11 points.

00:00:37.280 They said he was going to lose Pennsylvania by 6.

00:00:39.300 He lost by just over a percent.

00:00:41.340 They said he was going to lose Arizona by 6.

00:00:43.400 He lost by less than a half percent there as well.

00:00:46.080 So why would Nate Silver be telling us we should trust these pollsters when they've been so

00:00:50.180 wrong?

00:00:51.060 To give us an update on the latest polling, I want to bring in our guest today.

00:00:53.960 He's pollster and Republican strategist John McLaughlin, a pollster I actually trust.

00:00:58.160 John, it's great to have you with us here on The Great America Show.

00:01:01.080 I want to start with right now, where is President Trump nationally polling?

00:01:04.940 Where is he in the key swing states?

00:01:07.060 The Arizonas, the Michigans, the Wisconsins, the Georgias. 0.88

00:01:11.040 Where is he right there as for polling post-debate?

00:01:17.320 Post-debate, ironically, there's not much change.

00:01:20.780 You know what?

00:01:21.420 Interesting, there was two polls that were done right after the debate.

00:01:25.540 You had a democracy institute that did 500 people and it was in the Daily Express and

00:01:36.440 they had Trump win the debate 45-34.

00:01:39.380 But what was interesting was the CNN poll that night, they had done a poll of 600 people

00:01:46.620 that they pre-screened ahead of time that they wanted to ask who won the debate, et cetera.

00:01:53.140 And they had Harris win in 63-32, whatever.

00:01:57.180 But then the interesting part is they asked, how did it affect your vote?

00:02:01.800 82% of the people they contacted, all the people they contacted, did not affect their vote.

00:02:07.580 14% said they would reconsider, but they hadn't changed their vote.

00:02:11.420 And 4% changed their vote and they never told you who it went to out of the 600.

00:02:15.240 And when you asked them, did the debate, these are people who watched the debate, the CNN poll.

00:02:22.300 Did the debate make you more or less likely to vote for Kamala Harris?

00:02:27.360 53% said no, no difference.

00:02:31.420 24% more likely, 23% less likely.

00:02:36.300 Did it make you more or less likely to vote for Donald Trump?

00:02:39.120 51% said no difference, 27% more likely, 23% less likely.

00:02:46.180 So that was a precursor to a lot of these post-debate polls that have now come out where the balance is not changing.

00:02:53.660 And the better polls that actually model, like we model our national poll after an actual turnout

00:02:59.660 based on the 2020 electorate, based on the CNN exit polls and the data from the 2020 electorate.

00:03:07.560 And, you know, we'll, you know, so we'll, we'll have more Biden voters and more Democrats in there. 0.94

00:03:14.240 And, and what's really interesting when you looked at the, you know, the national polls hasn't really changed.

00:03:20.500 And there were Tony Fabrizio who works with us in the, in the Trump campaign.

00:03:27.160 He released, uh, partials from we're in the field in seven battleground states.

00:03:32.160 And, uh, uh, almost 2000 interviews, he released it yesterday.

00:03:36.940 And Trump had actually gone from being tied at 46, 46 to being ahead by three points.

00:03:43.340 So, you know, that's in the margin of error and that's partial.

00:03:46.760 We're not done with the surveys yet.

00:03:48.060 And you won't have a good feeling about what's happened till Sunday, but there are a lot of skewed polls out there that oversample Democrats or undersample Republicans, too many liberals, not enough conservatives.

00:04:02.880 And they publish them and they're saying she's ahead four or five points.

00:04:07.600 But when you look at it, it's like there was a economist, you go poll that had them tied, but they had only 28% Republicans.

00:04:16.460 And in the, in the 2020 exit polls, Republicans were 36%.

00:04:21.600 So you shorted eight points Republicans of which over 90% vote for Trump.

00:04:26.880 So if you put Trump in, he'd be ahead if you had it at the right level.

00:04:31.240 The thing that's so alarming to me, John, is it confuses the hell out of me is how we're now less than 50 days till the election and these pollsters start polling, they're polling people and you still have people undecided.

00:04:43.100 I mean, do they just tell the pollsters they're undecided or are they truly undecided?

00:04:47.500 I don't see how when you have President Trump, probably one of the most polarizing figures this country's ever seen on the ballot and Kamala Harris, you've made up your mind.

00:04:57.140 I don't think there's many people.

00:04:59.160 I think if you were to change your mind, you would have changed your mind at some point along the way, whether it be the Biden-Harris border invasion,

00:05:05.420 whether it be Kamala Harris stealing the nomination from Joe Biden, undermining democracy, becoming the biggest threat to democracy this nation's ever seen. 1.00

00:05:15.140 When people say they're undecided, are they truly undecided?

00:05:18.500 Or are they those people in 2016 who were embarrassed to say they're going to vote for Trump, who were shy to say they're going to vote for President Trump?

00:05:26.780 Because so many voters are decided, where literally you're now the true undecideds in the race are probably only someplace between five and three percent.

00:05:38.680 You might have another couple of points leaning.

00:05:40.320 But in that small sub-sample, when you're looking at the national polls, thousand interviews, you know, a thousand interviews, when you're dealing with, you're dealing with three percent, it's 30 people.

00:05:55.220 Right.

00:05:55.660 It's a really small sub-cell.

00:05:57.660 And you're right, there could be some unrepresentative.

00:06:00.680 Remember, you go back to the 2016 and the 2020 race, Trump was losing in all these polls at this point.

00:06:07.940 And they were saying when it was over, and they were wrong, because you remember it was going to be a Hillary lock in 2016.

00:06:15.960 And we kept on saying, right up until Election Day, I was saying, no, Trump's going to win, but it's going to be really close.

00:06:21.700 I said it on Hannity's TV show the week before, said it on Election Day's show.

00:06:27.260 Went to the U.N., spoke to the Foreign Press Corps in New York City in front of 200 journalists.

00:06:32.140 I said, he's going to win, but it's going to be really close.

00:06:34.180 The exit polls had us losing, and I was like, the exit polls are wrong.

00:06:38.240 The demographics are off, and it wasn't the first time they've been wrong. 0.93

00:06:42.360 But Trump won out of 139 million votes by 78,000 votes, 44,000 in Pennsylvania, 22,000 in Wisconsin, and 10,000 in Michigan.

00:06:53.780 And then when we lost in 2020, out of 160 million votes, you know, it was only 44,000 votes, 11,000 in Arizona, Georgia, and 20,000 in Wisconsin.

00:07:05.720 So I'd expect another close race.

00:07:08.620 And our national polls, we haven't done one since the debate.

00:07:12.580 But what's interesting is the day before the Biden-Trump debate, when we took a national poll and modeled it after the 160 million that came out, which had more Biden 2020 voters than Trump voters, had all the right party, et cetera.

00:07:28.260 We had Trump up, too, the day before the Biden debate.

00:07:33.560 So Trump decimates Biden in the debate, not because he's too old, but because he beat him on the issues.

00:07:40.280 Trump's answers on the issues, whether it was taxes, the economy, border, inflation, it was all perfect.

00:07:49.440 And Biden started going down in the polls again, and the media, big media, big tech, they got rid of him, or they wanted to get rid of him.

00:07:58.840 Trump survives an assassin's bullet by the grace of God, right?

00:08:03.640 Yep.

00:08:03.860 So that happens.

00:08:05.940 They have a Republican convention, totally united.

00:08:10.260 After the convention, Joe Biden withdraws on July 21st, picks Kamala Harris, handpicks her, even though she never won a primary, never won a caucus.

00:08:20.940 We could argue if he picked her or she forced him, because after seeing Biden put on that Trump hat, it seems like she might have pushed his wheelchair off the cliff.

00:08:29.300 However, regardless, what I'm getting at is, all that stuff happened in a month.

00:08:35.340 We took a survey the first week of August.

00:08:38.220 We have Trump up, too.

00:08:40.100 And then she gets, the media research study comes out, she gets a honeymoon.

00:08:45.880 She holds no press conference.

00:08:47.400 She still has yet to hold a press conference.

00:08:50.040 It's over 50 days.

00:08:51.700 Yeah.

00:08:51.840 But we take a survey, and she's up to, and then she gets the media research, they do a study, and she's getting 84% positive press.

00:09:01.980 She's getting, Trump's getting 89% negative press, the same period for the mainstream media.

00:09:08.280 I think from ABC, I'm sorry to interrupt you, but I think from ABC alone, they put out that he was getting like 98% positive press.

00:09:16.120 It was 100% positive, and it was 93% negative for Trump on ABC.

00:09:22.900 Thank God their ratings are going down.

00:09:24.900 But in the meantime, what I'm saying is, last week, we did a survey of 2,000 registered voters for Newt Gingrich across the country for his Gingrich 360, and Trump's up two points.

00:09:37.720 The electorate is polarized, and it's very close, very competitive.

00:09:43.040 The battleground states are all close.

00:09:44.900 Trump's a little ahead in all these battleground states.

00:09:47.600 They're pouring in hundreds of millions, not millions, not tens of millions, but hundreds of millions of dollars into these states on digital ads, on TV ads, on mail, et cetera.

00:09:59.880 And it's still a close race where Trump's slightly ahead.

00:10:03.680 And what I'm getting at is that, you know, what they're trying to do is, it's the same old stuff we faced in 2016 and 2020.

00:10:12.040 They have bias-skewed polls to try to help her fundraise, help her turn out her troops, discourage our troops. 0.99

00:10:20.260 You realize four out of the seven battleground states are voting in September by absentee.

00:10:27.040 Yep.

00:10:27.100 So, North Carolina had to reprint their ballots because the Democrats on their election board tried to keep Kennedy in turn.

00:10:34.360 Of course.

00:10:35.080 But four out of the seven start voting absentee this month.

00:10:39.800 They're all voting absentee early October, mid-October.

00:10:44.440 And most of the votes will be cast by mid to late October in the critical states that are going to determine the election.

00:10:52.360 So, it's like a snap election where they're trying to rush it for Kamala Harris. 1.00

00:10:58.100 Well, I think this election is going to be a lot different with people like Scott Pressler and Laura Trump heading up RNC missions to get people to go out and vote early.

00:11:07.400 And I always – I tell everybody, and you know this better than anybody, when Dr. Oz went into Election Day in Pennsylvania, he was down a million votes.

00:11:16.540 There's no – in early voting and mail-in ballots.

00:11:19.560 There's no coming back from that.

00:11:20.920 I mean, it's like near impossible.

00:11:22.460 So, when you have situations like that – but I think 2020 was – there was a lot of mistakes made, and I think hopefully this election, they were righted.

00:11:30.940 I want to take a quick break here.

00:11:32.340 When we come back, polls really haven't shifted much since the debate, but there are some that have Trump moving upward in key demographics.

00:11:41.160 We're going to take that up with John McLaughlin when we return.

00:11:43.140 Stay with us.

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00:12:49.380 We're back with pollster John McLaughlin.

00:12:53.440 And then, John, before we went to break, a tease that President Trump is surging among certain groups of people.

00:12:58.960 A new poll out from NPR Marist has President Trump surging 14 points with independents, a Latino shift of 19 points in President Trump's favor in a multi-candidate race.

00:13:14.860 Now, this was before the debate this poll was taken, for transparency.

00:13:18.380 President Trump was leading 49-46 in a three-way race.

00:13:22.820 And among Latino voters, President Trump leading 51-47.

00:13:29.820 Now, the most troubling part about this was just a month earlier, in August, Kamala Harris was leading Trump 54-39.

00:13:38.460 So, in August, it's Kamala 54, Trump 39.

00:13:42.200 You move forward just a few weeks, it's Trump 51, Kamala 47.

00:13:46.500 Right.

00:13:47.080 I want to move to one more poll and then get your reaction.

00:13:49.640 And that is a new poll from Insider Advantage out of Michigan, post-debate this one, where Trump has taken a lead, 49-48 to Kamala Harris.

00:14:00.640 But the most surprising part of it all is this poll shows that President Trump is polling at 20% among blacks.

00:14:08.540 In the 2020 election, he got just 12% of the black vote.

00:14:12.980 Kamala Harris, I mean, I think everyone's realized she's a fraud. 1.00

00:14:16.220 And it came up at the debate when they asked if President Trump said she was black or she was Indian.

00:14:21.120 And, you know, if you talk about it, you're a racist, you're a xenophobe, you're this, you're that.

00:14:27.360 But the truth of the matter is the facts are there.

00:14:29.960 You can watch Kamala Harris go out and do a speech and she puts on an accent in one place.

00:14:35.020 And then she goes up to a different place and she puts on a different accent. 0.67

00:14:38.880 If that's not identity politics, I don't know what is.

00:14:41.920 And I think the black voters and the Latino voters have smartened up to realize that these Democrats are bad people and they'll do and say whatever they can to get your vote.

00:14:53.740 Your thoughts, John?

00:14:55.420 Well, I think I think what's what's interesting about that NPR poll, they do have 35% Republicans, 38% Democrats.

00:15:04.920 So the party's close. They're not showing us. They used to show us the tab of Biden 2020 voters versus Trump 2020 voters.

00:15:14.920 And they were they were oversampling to keep our head.

00:15:19.140 But by the way, if we're even or ahead in a national survey, that means we're winning in the battleground states.

00:15:24.380 We'll win an electoral majority.

00:15:25.860 But but the progress among the independents, among the Latinos, among the African-Americans, these would be record margins for a Republican candidate for Congress.

00:15:35.620 So that so that President Trump, he's going after basically the Democrat coalition where we are.

00:15:43.080 If we get 20 percent or more of the African-American voters, we're going to win. 1.00

00:15:46.500 If we're winning a majority of the Hispanic voters because the Hispanic voters in these polls are legal citizens.

00:15:51.960 They came here. They did it right. If they're an immigrant, if they're an immigrant household, they know what it's like to deal with the federal government for 10 years, trying to make somebody a citizen.

00:16:02.580 And they want to be here. They resent the crime that's coming over, the fentanyl that's coming over the border.

00:16:08.500 They resent somebody just walking in this country, regardless of where they're from, and being here and getting taxpayer funded health care, housing, food stamps, et cetera, that they're paying for.

00:16:20.960 And becoming eligible, they're going to get amnesty. And if it's up to Vice President Harris, she's going to have them get, you know, they'll get Social Security, they'll get Medicare.

00:16:31.960 And so basically the Hispanic vote that's here, that's legal, that's voting, they are very upset at what's going on.

00:16:42.020 Puerto Ricans in the United States are citizens. They're American citizens.

00:16:46.260 And they get treated as second-class citizens, and they don't get the benefits that they're giving people that are coming to this country. 0.98

00:16:52.840 Even the Cuban population, the ones that came here legally, who really appreciate all the things that America comes with, and they truly appreciate.

00:17:01.380 I spent a lot of time down in Miami, Florida, where there's a massive Cuban population.

00:17:05.800 And, I mean, just an overwhelming majority of these people are just Trump supporters because they know what it's like to have freedom.

00:17:11.420 They also know what it's like to be oppressed and living in a communist society.

00:17:15.340 John, these pollsters are nothing but a bunch of liars, with you and a few others being the exception.

00:17:22.720 Thanks, I appreciate it.

00:17:23.680 A lot of people look at the RealClearPolitics average, and you and I were talking before the show.

00:17:29.400 The problem with that is they'll put in, you know, you'll have a Trump plus one margin, and then all of a sudden you'll have, you know, you'll have three polls of Trump plus one, Trump plus two, Trump plus one.

00:17:38.760 And then all of a sudden it comes in a slew of two or three polls of Kamala Harris plus five, Kamala Harris plus six, Kamala Harris plus four, and it throws off the average.

00:17:47.300 So as of right now, and everyone take this with a box of salt, the RealClearPolitics average is Kamala Harris plus one and a half.

00:17:54.720 Top battleground states, Kamala Harris plus 0.2.

00:17:57.980 Harris with an 8.5% favorability rating.

00:18:00.980 But this is where my question comes in that's very confusing.

00:18:04.220 The Electoral College RealClearPolitics election map with no toss-up states has President Trump winning 281 to 257.

00:18:13.060 So you've got Harris leading in top battleground states and across the RealClearPolitics average.

00:18:18.000 How does RealClearPolitics come up with Trump winning when you have him losing in everything else?

00:18:23.700 Well, that's the Electoral College.

00:18:25.000 That's with no toss-ups.

00:18:26.100 I mean, literally, there's states in there that they got us up 0.2 and they give it to us.

00:18:30.440 And the key is Pennsylvania.

00:18:32.400 But in the meantime, you know, the thing about the averages that you first brought up, the Democrats know which media outlets are on this average that qualify for it.

00:18:43.740 And they try to, because they know that it gets a lot of media coverage.

00:18:47.080 Because, again, it goes to the psychology of we can, you know, we want to create a perception that Harris will win so that it deflates and suppresses Republican turnout in dollars.

00:19:00.260 And at the same time, inflates Democratic donations in turn.

00:19:06.140 So they go, you know, so what will happen is they have their go-tos where they'll try to say, oh, you've got, you know, and they're basically pollsters and political pundits will call into the certain things and say, oh, your poll has too many Republicans.

00:19:22.400 Or, you know, it should have more college.

00:19:25.480 This is the latest thing.

00:19:26.580 They're saying that college-educated voters with four-year degrees and postgraduate degrees are more likely to vote.

00:19:33.380 So don't include these low-propensity voters.

00:19:37.160 I saw an article last week saying it's a mistake for Trump to chase the low-propensity voters.

00:19:43.040 Well, that's ridiculous.

00:19:44.780 Trump's voters vote because of him, and a lot of them are working-class voters who are coming out because he's on the ballot.

00:19:52.360 And that's how we won in 2016.

00:19:55.820 We got people that cared about immigration, people that cared about trade to come out and vote,

00:20:01.040 people making $60,000 or less that are one paycheck away from disaster if they have a health care bill or an oil repair bill.

00:20:10.900 And so, you know, so you basically, we got them to come out, and they're saying, oh, don't bother bringing them out this time.

00:20:19.600 Well, we're bringing them out, and we're also cutting into their suburban middle-class, upper-middle-class voter group because guess what?

00:20:27.480 Kamala Harris, when they find out that she wants to raise the capital gains tax on 401ks and homes from 20% to 45%, 0.53

00:20:39.680 you want to see a pro-choice woman who wants to vote for Donald Trump? 1.00

00:20:43.200 It's somebody that realized Kamala Harris will take half of the capital gains on their home or on their 401ks when they go to retirement. 0.99

00:20:54.120 I mean, this is just, it's brutal, and they don't know because 7 out of 10 voters or more who are Democrats or Biden 2020 voters have no clue where she stands on the issue.

00:21:05.420 That was the Research Center nonpartisan poll that we did.

00:21:08.360 John, she doesn't even know where she stands on the issues. 0.99

00:21:10.680 I saw a poll the other day.

00:21:11.940 I'm not sure who was the poll.

00:21:13.360 Yeah.

00:21:14.000 She knows.

00:21:15.180 Or whoever has money in her pocket.

00:21:18.100 She knows.

00:21:18.980 She's got to let the Trump tax cuts lapse. 1.00

00:21:21.040 Ninety-one percent of all Americans pay more taxes.

00:21:23.800 Right, right.

00:21:24.500 She knows what she's doing.

00:21:28.320 Another issue I find is that, so you have, like we just discussed, these people oversampling poll, Democrats in certain polls.

00:21:37.060 Last month, you had a poll in Virginia, which I think you had President Trump either ahead or inside the margin of error.

00:21:42.520 Now we've got, mysteriously, just a few weeks later, Harris plus five and a half in Virginia.

00:21:49.220 The same thing going on in New Hampshire.

00:21:51.560 There was a poll where Trump was inside the margin of error or very close to striking distance inside New Hampshire.

00:21:57.920 And you've got Harris plus five and a half.

00:21:59.900 A lot of people don't realize that there's a lot of ways President Trump can win, you know best, without, he can win without Pennsylvania, without Michigan, without Wisconsin.

00:22:08.420 There's a different match, you know, he would have to pull a Virginia, he'd have to pull Nevada, he'd have to pull Arizona.

00:22:14.380 And New Hampshire comes in and puts him just over the top.

00:22:17.700 People don't realize that.

00:22:18.800 Just over the top, if he were to not pull Pennsylvania, Wisconsin, or Michigan and pull one of those other states.

00:22:25.020 So, it is important.

00:22:26.600 But when you have polls like that, I'll tell you how you know they're BS.

00:22:30.100 Because the Harris campaign two weeks ago went in full meltdown mode and sent out Harris and Waltz to both Virginia and to New Hampshire.

00:22:39.140 So, they're not fooling anybody.

00:22:40.900 And you left out Minnesota.

00:22:42.400 And Minnesota.

00:22:43.200 That's another one.

00:22:44.560 But you're on to something here.

00:22:46.480 Because your candidate is your most precious commodity.

00:22:49.500 Right.

00:22:49.920 And when you send the candidate to a state, that tells you what the polls are saying.

00:22:54.380 Exactly.

00:22:55.400 I want to take a quick break here.

00:22:56.740 When we come back, I want to dive a little bit deeper into the polls.

00:23:00.240 And talk about two pollsters who got it really wrong in 2020, but are being paraded as, like, the top of the top.

00:23:08.940 We're going to take that up and some more issues when we return.

00:23:11.560 We're talking with John McLaughlin.

00:23:12.680 Stay with us.

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00:25:01.680 We're back.

00:25:02.400 We're talking with leading pollster John McLaughlin.

00:25:05.400 John, Nate Silver of FiveThirtyEight, a familiar voice that we're hearing.

00:25:09.460 We see him a lot on CNN, did his pollster rankings this week, and coming out on top as the most honest polls was New York Times-Siena.

00:25:20.260 Now, for the listeners, I just want to let you guys know for your own sanity, I want to give you guys some numbers of 2020.

00:25:29.240 This is a week before the election, the 2020 election, on what Siena and New York Times are calling for.

00:25:34.680 In Arizona, they said Biden would beat Trump 49-43.

00:25:38.840 The actual numbers were Biden 49.4 to Trump 49.

00:25:43.220 A little bit of a miss there, a six-and-a-half-point miss. 0.59

00:25:46.380 Going down to Florida, they said Biden was going to lose 47-44.

00:25:52.080 Biden, they were a little bit closer on this one.

00:25:53.700 Biden lost 47-51.

00:25:56.420 Let's take a look at Pennsylvania.

00:25:58.680 Pennsylvania, they said Biden was going to win 49-43.

00:26:01.480 Biden wound up winning 50-49, a one-point shift when they had it at a six-point shift.

00:26:07.660 Another big miss in polling.

00:26:09.940 And lastly, in Wisconsin, they had Biden at 42.

00:26:12.440 This is perhaps the best one yet.

00:26:14.340 They had Biden at 52, Trump at 49.

00:26:17.200 The actual numbers that came in on election night were Biden 49.4 to Trump 49.

00:26:23.860 Laughable.

00:26:24.340 Their final national poll had Biden at 50 percent, Trump at 36, other, which is an independent candidate, at 14 percent, which I don't even understand how they can put that out.

00:26:35.940 Because if you have an other coming in at 14 percent, you'd probably have, you know, a Ross Perot-type incident happening here.

00:26:43.440 So they had it at Biden 50, Trump 36.

00:26:46.940 It wound up being Biden 51, Trump 47.

00:26:50.080 So they missed Trump by 11 points with other getting 14 percent.

00:26:53.140 Now, this is who Nate Silver is parading as, creme de la creme, the number one pollster out there.

00:27:00.020 You've got to trust these people.

00:27:01.560 They're extremely honest.

00:27:03.480 John, what do you say to your competition?

00:27:05.780 They're not my competition, because I work for Donald Trump.

00:27:10.260 I work for candidates.

00:27:12.860 Most of my polls never get published.

00:27:15.620 And, you know, we have to survive on winning, because if you don't win, you don't get you don't have clients.

00:27:21.820 So anyway, but you've been doing this for a little while, staying in business, right?

00:27:26.580 Yes.

00:27:27.300 Since 1982.

00:27:29.080 I used to work for Finkelstein and Reagan was one of our clients.

00:27:32.820 So anyway, but going back to, seriously, going back to these rankings and et cetera, I mean, it's going to be even harder to poll.

00:27:43.500 Like four years ago, it was hard because a lot of people would cast their votes early, whatever, absentee, and they favored Biden two to one.

00:27:54.240 And then, you know, but they'd still take the calls or whatever, and the Trump voters were waiting until Election Day,

00:27:59.600 and they weren't taking the calls, especially if they didn't like the media.

00:28:03.020 And so, yeah, that's what they blamed it on.

00:28:06.480 That's what the media said.

00:28:07.960 They didn't, they didn't, Trump voters weren't answering the calls.

00:28:12.600 That's why their polls were off.

00:28:13.820 I mean, can you blame them?

00:28:15.400 They didn't even try.

00:28:17.120 You have to put, you know, there's a certain amount of Republicans.

00:28:20.840 Like when you see a poll where Republicans are under 30% of the vote, you know it's off,

00:28:24.980 because that hasn't happened since the 20th century.

00:28:28.800 So, you know, like in 2016, it was 33% Republican, 36% Democrat.

00:28:33.820 The exit polls in 2020 were 37% Democrat, 36% Republican.

00:28:39.140 State by state, a lot of these polls, like for example, the worst one was not in Wisconsin was,

00:28:45.580 President Trump called me up a week before the election in 2020.

00:28:49.900 He was in Vegas.

00:28:50.860 It was 6 o'clock in the morning there.

00:28:52.660 His time, he was done, he'd done a rally the night before.

00:28:55.520 He was getting ready to do a bunch of rallies.

00:28:57.740 He calls me up and he says, what's the matter with this Washington Post poll in Wisconsin?

00:29:02.140 And I said.

00:29:02.920 She was going to stop them right there.

00:29:04.520 I said, what do you mean?

00:29:05.660 The one that had you down 17 points?

00:29:08.140 He says, yes.

00:29:09.500 He says, we can't be down 17.

00:29:10.960 I said, no, it's a dead even race.

00:29:12.640 It's a toss up.

00:29:14.020 And he says, well, why are they wrong?

00:29:16.340 And I said, well, they have eight points too many Democrats.

00:29:19.700 They have a bunch of things wrong with their independence.

00:29:23.100 And by the way, there were in the exit polls, there were more Republicans than Democrats.

00:29:27.180 So they were off.

00:29:29.060 And I said, you realize the early vote that's been cast in Wisconsin is two to one Democrat.

00:29:36.080 If they're waiting for election day, it's two to one Republican.

00:29:38.840 Right.

00:29:39.120 And I said, think about it.

00:29:42.620 If they think you're down 17 points and they're waiting for election day and it's cold and snowy and it's during COVID and there's long lines, they're hoping your people go home and don't vote.

00:29:55.120 Yeah.

00:29:55.560 He says, they would do that?

00:29:57.160 And I said, absolutely.

00:29:58.200 These are people, you know, they got PhDs.

00:30:00.740 They know how to run a poll.

00:30:02.000 It's like they know what they're doing.

00:30:04.540 And he says, they would really do that.

00:30:06.040 And I said, yes, they hate you.

00:30:09.120 And it's like, so I said, you have to go back to Wisconsin.

00:30:12.260 You got to, you know, in all these states, the cases you cited, a lot of those, we were up in some of those states until all of a sudden that night they stopped counting the votes.

00:30:23.320 Oh, no, they didn't.

00:30:24.320 And they started to get into that.

00:30:26.440 Yeah.

00:30:26.740 It's like, so Dropbox is in Georgia.

00:30:30.560 Thanks, God.

00:30:31.140 We've secured the Dropboxes and changed the election laws in Georgia that you need voter ID, whether it's early in person, whether it's absentee, whether it's Dropbox, whether it's on election day.

00:30:42.460 You have to show voter ID in Georgia.

00:30:44.340 So that's a good thing.

00:30:46.200 And the Democrats are still fighting to knock voter ID out in a whole bunch of states.

00:30:50.400 So people are voting now.

00:30:52.140 So we got to, I mean, the key thing here is this year, the Republicans don't wait for election day.

00:30:58.380 Yeah.

00:30:58.880 Early voting starts, get in line.

00:31:01.040 Cash your vote.

00:31:02.160 Yep.

00:31:02.260 It's like, it's, and if you, if you can get an absentee ballot or a Dropbox ballot and you want to drop it off, do it, but get it in there as soon as possible.

00:31:13.660 Don't wait.

00:31:14.700 You know, you mentioned Georgia, but there are still some states that haven't gotten it together and Wisconsin being one of them.

00:31:21.400 Robin Voss over there, just a terrible person, the Speaker of the House of Wisconsin. 1.00

00:31:26.160 I saw a report the other day that 140,000 people have been mailed in, sent mail-in ballots with no identity verification through this program they started back in 2020.

00:31:40.560 Now you look at that, 140,000, Trump lost Wisconsin in 2020 by what, 20,000 votes?

00:31:45.720 20,000 votes.

00:31:46.700 There you go.

00:31:47.320 So there are 200,000 permanently disabled that the Supreme Court in Wisconsin ruled was basically they shouldn't have been on those rolls.

00:31:56.780 Yeah.

00:31:57.180 But once they vote by absentee in his paper and it's in there, you can't get it out.

00:32:01.860 Yep.

00:32:02.200 So you don't know whose ballot it is.

00:32:04.040 You don't know who is voting illegally, et cetera.

00:32:06.440 But the Supreme Court found out, and there's no remedy because the governor is a Democrat, and he's not going to work with the state legislature to have a new election, to the fact.

00:32:18.400 And instead, the media goes on, oh, it's misinformation from Trump.

00:32:22.460 Of course.

00:32:23.000 But it's like the reality, when they had the case and they found it, you know, there was problems.

00:32:30.320 And a lot of the – there were other problems where the Zuckerberg had people on the payroll.

00:32:36.200 They had – you know, they were in effect counting the votes, et cetera.

00:32:40.780 So you've identified – I saw the stories about it this week that, yeah, these people are not identified.

00:32:48.900 They're on these rolls.

00:32:50.780 And I don't know.

00:32:52.600 It's like, you know, the Republicans are – I'm not a lawyer, but the Republicans are trying to sort that one out.

00:32:59.600 And the courts can do it legally to make sure that the election is fair and honest.

00:33:03.760 But it's disturbing the amount of people that they've registered that qualify for that or whatever.

00:33:09.340 And those poor lawyers, I mean, I was talking with Will Scharf last week, one of President Trump's attorneys.

00:33:15.240 And I said, you know, you had Merrick Garland out there just a few weeks ago saying, if anyone dare challenge the 2024 election, look at what we did to those people from January 6th.

00:33:24.120 And you've got to think, you know, you're an attorney.

00:33:26.360 Look what they did to John Eastman.

00:33:27.720 Look what they did to Rudy Giuliani.

00:33:28.980 These are esteemed people with long track records of success, and they've ruined and ruined their lives and drained them of everything they had.

00:33:39.520 The thing in Wisconsin, it's almost like, you know, 30 seconds left in a football game.

00:33:43.920 You're down by three points.

00:33:45.580 You're on the 50-yard line, and you're going for it on fourth down, and the ref misses a pass interference call on the defense.

00:33:51.900 Well, sorry.

00:33:52.820 Go home.

00:33:53.440 Try again next time.

00:33:54.500 You've hit on a really important thing, because if you're a lawyer and you work for Trump, like they went after Cleta Mitchell.

00:34:01.720 She had to leave her law firm in Washington, a big law firm with lots of clients because they were trying to get, you know, taking away their clients. 0.53

00:34:09.500 And Jim Trupas, who worked for in Wisconsin, Judge Jim Trupas, who worked in Wisconsin to keep the elections fair, they've gone after him.

00:34:18.020 He's got some legal bills that he's, you know, which are not cheap that he has to spread out.

00:34:22.840 But these are good people working for an honest election.

00:34:26.220 But because they work for President Trump, the left goes out of their way to, you know, it's like a communist country where they go out of their way to persecute you.

00:34:33.600 And I was talking with John Costello, Bob Costello, sorry, was Rudy Giuliani's attorney and President Trump's at a point in the whole Stormy Daniel situation.

00:34:43.220 He was the one who testified against Michael Cohen for Michael Cohen be just a absolute total liar.

00:34:50.220 And, you know, I asked Bob, I said, you know, you want to come on the show?

00:34:52.760 And he's like, you know, I can't, man.

00:34:54.240 The law firm I work for, they, you know, they don't want me out talking about Trump or anything like that.

00:34:58.800 And I'm like, you know, this is the world we've come to.

00:35:00.740 It's unbelievable.

00:35:01.620 We've got a few minutes left, John.

00:35:03.340 I want to turn to some of the issues that the voters will be voting on in November, on November 5th.

00:35:11.580 Here's a New York Times-Siena poll that I think we can both agree on might be kind of true.

00:35:17.320 Majority of likely voters blame Kamala Harris for a record illegal immigration at the southern border. 1.00

00:35:22.720 Well, I mean, they've been in power for three and a half years, record numbers of illegal immigrants coming across the border.

00:35:27.760 You look at states like New York City, which I'm in right now.

00:35:31.420 The New York City Council just advanced a slavery reparations bill while the city spends billions of dollars on illegal immigrants each year.

00:35:41.220 I mean, if the voters aren't smart enough to figure out what's going on and they're OK with this.

00:35:46.360 You know, I tell people you'll get every now and then I'll talk to someone who's like a hardcore Democrat and I have family members who are and, you know, I'll talk to them.

00:35:55.860 They'll say, well, we should let these people.

00:35:57.160 I actually have a family member who is an attorney who represents illegals.

00:36:01.540 And I didn't talk to them for a long time because I'm like, how the hell are you doing this?

00:36:05.720 And she works for a big law firm, a big corporation, and they let them do this work. 0.72

00:36:11.180 This big corporation lets them do this work for free on the side and represent illegal aliens who are here. 0.95

00:36:16.480 And she said to me, she said, well, you know, they should be allowed here.

00:36:19.540 These poor kids, they have nothing.

00:36:21.000 You know, they have nothing.

00:36:22.580 They came here, you know.

00:36:23.940 Well, that's not our problem.

00:36:25.220 We have we have, you know, thousands of veterans who are sleeping on the street with nothing else to go.

00:36:30.120 And I said I said to this person, I said, well, what about the ones that are committing crime?

00:36:35.460 You go down the streets in New York City and it's reeks of marijuana.

00:36:38.880 You have the Venezuelan gangs at Trende Agua that are tearing cities apart, families apart with crime. 1.00

00:36:46.400 And I said, I said, well, you know, maybe it wasn't you who got mugged this time or one of your family members who got raped or or or pushed on train tracks.

00:36:54.960 But what happens when it is?

00:36:56.500 Then what are you going to say?

00:36:57.620 You know, what are you going to say then when it happens to you?

00:37:00.580 Well, those damn migrants. 1.00

00:37:02.900 It's well, I tell you what's a disgrace is that they're doing this for political power.

00:37:07.860 And it's so obvious that New York City Council that you're talking about.

00:37:11.840 They were socialists.

00:37:15.060 But they also they're the ones who passed the law to make it legal for illegal non-citizens, non-citizens to vote in New York City.

00:37:23.440 And it would have been at least eight hundred thousand.

00:37:26.640 Fortunately, it was thrown out by the courts that the Republican Party went to went to the courts and got it thrown out.

00:37:32.900 But they wanted to make it legal for non-citizens to vote in municipal elections.

00:37:37.400 And of course, I'm sure if they'd gotten it, they would have they would have they would have called a special election that day for the presidential election.

00:37:46.700 But I'll tell you, there's something really there's something more concerning.

00:37:50.780 No one knows it in New York.

00:37:52.480 They're saying that euphemistically, they call it the Equal Rights Amendment.

00:37:57.360 But if you there's a thing called Proposition One on the ballot in New York this November with the day you're voting for president, etc.

00:38:05.320 And New York already has no voter ID.

00:38:08.860 They're not allowed to ask you for voter ID if you're on the rolls when you go to vote that day.

00:38:13.980 The nice little old ladies who you go in there and you sign the thing electronically. 1.00

00:38:18.400 No, he has no idea if you're that person or not.

00:38:21.800 But but what I'm saying is Proposition One, when you read the wording of it.

00:38:26.980 It says national origin.

00:38:29.820 You're not allowed to discriminate.

00:38:31.600 And it gives a list of things.

00:38:32.960 And one of the things is national origin.

00:38:35.760 No one has this.

00:38:36.800 If you're here illegally.

00:38:39.300 Or if you're a non-citizen, you will be granted all the rights of a citizen by New York State.

00:38:46.560 It'll be an amendment in the New York State Constitution that among gender ideology, all these other things they've got in there that you can't discriminate on. 1.00

00:38:56.000 You know, race, religion, creed.

00:38:57.980 We already have that.

00:38:59.600 So this is kind of unnecessary.

00:39:00.900 But they and they have reproductive rights, but they also have gender.

00:39:06.860 And so, you know, you'll have men playing girls sports. 1.00

00:39:12.500 You'll have schools, religious schools, whether you're Jewish and it's a yeshiva or whether you're Catholic, you're going to get sued.

00:39:19.700 Cardinal Dolan even opposes this.

00:39:21.580 But national origin means that if you're here as a non-citizen and you're here illegally, you'll have a right to vote.

00:39:30.580 You'll have a right to every taxpayer funded benefit.

00:39:33.220 You can get housing, health care, the set.

00:39:36.800 You will have you'll it'll it's just a Pandora's box that no one has a clue on.

00:39:42.540 They're being told this is about abortion.

00:39:44.620 It doesn't even say abortion in the in the thing and New York has the most liberal abortion law in the country.

00:39:51.220 So it's being used as a Trojan horse to to basically if you think New York State's a sanctuary city and yeah, sure.

00:40:02.860 Three quarters of the crime being committed in Manhattan right now, as of today, are being done by illegal immigrants. 0.99

00:40:08.540 If you think the city's becoming uninhabitable, it's nothing compared to when Prop 1 gets passed.

00:40:16.300 If it gets passed and they're going to try to railroad it in that it's a pro abortion measure and it's and it's not.

00:40:23.760 It's a pro really radical everything else.

00:40:26.940 Parents will lose the rights.

00:40:28.440 If your kid goes into school one day, says, I want to have a gender operation, I want to have gender treatment. 1.00

00:40:34.640 The school and the state will take control.

00:40:36.600 You won't have any say over that.

00:40:37.960 I mean, it's ridiculous, John.

00:40:39.640 I went to high school and played against what was once a man, I guess you can say.

00:40:46.080 And I recently saw this person.

00:40:49.000 I mean, I'll always call him a man because there's no such thing as transgender, by the way, just for the audience. 0.99

00:40:54.420 You're born a male.

00:40:55.280 You're born a female. 0.99

00:40:56.400 You can never change that.

00:40:57.720 It's your DNA, you know, makeup.

00:41:00.540 So there's no such thing as that because you can't change that.

00:41:02.900 So you're either a male or a female. 0.66

00:41:04.040 So, you know, I went to school with this person and I saw a few weeks ago he transitioned to wanting to be a girl because he's not a girl because he's still a man.

00:41:12.960 And he works at a school with kids and coaches little kids sports.

00:41:20.420 Now, I'm thinking this is a school that it's very expensive private school that probably charges $30,000, $40,000 a year for pre-K through high school.

00:41:29.360 And you can't say a damn word about it.

00:41:32.440 As a parent, you can't say, well, I don't want that freak near my kids.

00:41:36.140 I mean, this is a weirdo.

00:41:37.900 I don't want this guy near my two, you know, my four-year-old, my five-year-old kid.

00:41:43.000 What are you supposed to do in situations like that?

00:41:45.320 I mean, this is not normal.

00:41:47.360 Well, you know, most New Yorkers, if you're an adult and you want to transition, you want to do something, they're fine.

00:41:55.200 It's when the parents lose control and it's when the state comes in and starts saying, you know, you have to because you saw cases like this.

00:42:04.600 It was reported where, you know, there's hospitals and doctors were going to the parents saying, if you don't take care of this for your child now, later on, they're going to commit suicide.

00:42:15.580 What about the parents, John, who don't want their kids around it?

00:42:19.720 You know, say you have a child who's in a school.

00:42:22.100 And I mean, you can't say anything about it because now all of a sudden, you know, you're just a bad person.

00:42:27.600 But I mean, it's just not normal.

00:42:30.920 Well, right.

00:42:31.780 Well, the problem you're going to have is, especially for the religious schools, New York, there's a lot of yeshivas, a lot of Catholic schools.

00:42:38.460 You'll be you'll have to they'll have to, you know, hire somebody that, you know, doesn't agree with their values in terms of their religious values.

00:42:47.920 So basically, you know, freedom of religion in New York state will just disappear and their freedom of conscience and freedom of of it's it's going to be secondary to this idea that, you know, you're going to be seen as somebody who's biased and somebody who discriminates.

00:43:05.600 And that's going to be a crime in New York.

00:43:07.760 So it's it's sad.

00:43:10.000 It's like but but the national origin one is the one that, you know, there aren't that many cases of what you're talking about right now.

00:43:17.960 But there are a lot of cases.

00:43:20.600 There are millions of probably there's probably a million or so people in New York that are here illegally.

00:43:26.540 And that are it's going to be a magnet for illegal immigrants to come in and stay here and get all the rights as a citizen. 0.99

00:43:33.960 So JFK, you know, get ready for a lot of people coming into JFK Airport, a lot of people coming into New York City by whatever means they can to make themselves somebody, a New Yorker here who's based on national origin.

00:43:51.660 And they can't be discriminated against. And you will see the word national origin in Proposition 1.

00:43:57.020 Speaking of national origin, I mean, New York's not the only state.

00:43:59.940 You have Ohio that's run by a Republican, Mike DeWine, who's just a rhino who's done.

00:44:04.460 I mean, more damage, I think, to that state, whether it be the transgender sports or abortion, then I think a Democrat would have done. 0.57

00:44:11.400 But here's something that came up in the debate the other day.

00:44:14.040 President Trump had mentioned the Haitian migrants were eating cats and ducks.

00:44:19.800 And David Muir was so fast to dispute the facts.

00:44:23.440 There was later released by the Federalist the 911 phone calls of someone calling in that four migrants were chopping off heads of ducks in a town.

00:44:31.940 But this out today from Ohio's Election Integrity Unit, they're uncovered illegal Haitian voter registration fraud operation used Creole language forms.

00:44:40.380 I think it's 20,000 Haitians they have over there in Ohio.

00:44:45.620 Ohio is not a swing state as of now.

00:44:47.400 But if we keep going this way, it certainly can become one again.

00:44:52.680 It's truly troubling.

00:44:54.780 I know you're tight on time, John.

00:44:56.400 I want to wrap up with this.

00:44:58.520 The Union for Postal Workers, who will be handling the 2024 mail-in ballots.

00:45:04.780 It's the nation's it's got two hundred ninety thousand active and retired city letter carriers.

00:45:10.340 The National Association of Letter Carriers has endorsed Kamala Harris and Tim Waltz for president.

00:45:18.540 They say that Governor Waltz is a union brother and a veteran.

00:45:22.340 Well, I guess they don't know about his ties to China and what what that would do to the unions once we brought over all these people to come work in China.

00:45:30.000 And then we've also realized his veteran status is highly under question.

00:45:35.620 How do we have unions that are handling our elections endorsing one candidate over another?

00:45:42.340 Well, it's it's the problem is, is now that with so many ballots being cast, tens of millions by mail, the letter carriers, you know, if they're not if they're not.

00:45:57.240 I mean, if you maybe we should make them election officials, that they have a sworn duty to make sure we have an honest and fair election.

00:46:06.180 But in most cases, you know, the ballots get delivered.

00:46:09.820 But in a close election, if ballots don't get delivered, it's going to be very, very disturbing.

00:46:15.640 So we've got a challenge to make sure that, you know, if by the way, states like Florida, if you vote absentee, if you vote early in person, if you vote on election day, you get a notice that you voted.

00:46:28.960 But there's a lot of states you don't get that.

00:46:30.820 And then and there's been cases of fraud where people are saying that somebody cast a ballot for somebody who doesn't live there.

00:46:38.940 And it's just or somebody is deceased.

00:46:42.540 And it's really hard to check.

00:46:45.600 But it's like it's a challenge for us as Republicans to make sure.

00:46:49.960 And, you know, we're going to do that.

00:46:51.980 But but the letter carriers, we've got to make sure that if somebody requests an absentee, they get it and it's delivered for our people.

00:47:00.020 We've got to make sure it gets delivered because it's that's what I'm saying.

00:47:04.500 It's always better to vote early in person that, you know, you voted voted on election day.

00:47:09.320 But I wouldn't wait for election day.

00:47:11.100 I would go in Georgia, for example.

00:47:14.120 And after that law was done, a million people had voted Dropbox or mail in absentee in 2020.

00:47:20.460 In the governor's reelection for Governor Camp and the other Republicans, those mail in ballots dropped to only 250,000.

00:47:29.980 Of course.

00:47:30.420 And the reason is because they were going to vote early in person because they felt more secure.

00:47:35.820 So if you have a question, if you have a doubt about about mail in ballots, you know, vote.

00:47:42.920 But don't wait for election day.

00:47:44.500 As soon as like it, like as soon as it happens, whatever you can do an early in person vote, go vote early in person.

00:47:51.200 Yeah.

00:47:51.660 Get it out of the way and get it over with.

00:47:53.660 Yeah.

00:47:54.240 Well, we hope it's a it's a positive outcome on November 50, because I mean, everything we spoke about should be very alarming to, you know, to the American people.

00:48:03.580 I mean, things that we didn't even get to today, the interest on the national debt topping one trillion dollars for the first time.

00:48:11.380 I mean, whether it's the economy, whether it's illegal immigration, whether it's inflation.

00:48:15.460 I mean, that goes with the economy, whether it's these endless wars that we have going on overseas.

00:48:21.280 These last three and a half years, I think, have been rough for most of us as Americans.

00:48:24.560 And November 5th, I think, we'll be at a crossroads about what direction we take.

00:48:31.180 Do we go further into this Marxist ideology where we maybe go out of existence, you know, after four years or, you know, do Americans bring Donald Trump back in?

00:48:42.400 Who's a known, proven leader who doesn't start wars, who's great for the economy, who's great for the average, hardworking American and even the upper middle class American?

00:48:51.820 And so November 5th today, John, thanks so much for being with us today.

00:48:55.380 I really appreciate it.

00:48:56.720 Thank you.

00:48:57.180 And you're exactly right on the message.

00:48:59.280 If you want change, you have to vote for Donald Trump.

00:49:03.700 If you want four more years of the same, you got that candidate in Kamala Harris.

00:49:08.180 They'll have higher inflation, open borders, endless wars and higher crime.

00:49:13.400 So if you want and you'll certainly pay higher taxes.

00:49:16.800 So if that's what you want, you vote for Harris.

00:49:19.260 If you want change, you got to vote for Donald Trump.

00:49:21.820 Yeah.

00:49:22.280 And if by some miracle Donald Trump does not win, I mean, a miracle for Kamala Harris.

00:49:28.280 I don't want to hear any of you Democrats complaining and crying that you can't afford gas.

00:49:34.440 You can't afford groceries because you deserve it.

00:49:36.960 You know, we have an election and elections are where you have consequences after them.

00:49:42.040 So, you know, after the 2020 election, you have people crying about Biden.

00:49:47.020 You know, I did a worse job than I thought.

00:49:48.480 Well, Kamala Harris is an extension of Joe Biden and she's even worse. 1.00

00:49:51.560 So if by some just terrible situation, Kamala wins, I don't want to hear anybody because you deserve it.

00:50:00.460 And corporate America, you deserve it the worst if she wins because you guys prop this woman up and you guys, you know, hold her up and give her all this money for her to do what she's doing.

00:50:10.020 And at the end of the day, she's going to come right around and stab you right in the back while you're not looking. 0.99

00:50:13.780 But you know it's coming.

00:50:14.780 So you guys are the fools.

00:50:16.080 John, again, thanks so much.

00:50:17.140 I appreciate it.

00:50:18.100 Thank you.

00:50:18.560 Think positive.

00:50:19.300 Let's go win. 0.82

00:50:20.300 Thanks, everybody, for being with us today.

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The Great America Show - September 16, 2024

TRUMP SURGING AMONG KEY VOTER GROUPS

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