The Great America Show - U.S. MAY APPEASE PUTIN; FAKE BALLOTS & VOTER ABUSE

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.240 And now here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.520 Welcome to the Great America show. Delighted to have you with us. And we have a show that

00:00:18.960 will be packed with information and perspective that you won't get anywhere else. Suddenly,

00:00:24.580 the Biden administration pivoting to the bellicose Iranians, the Iranian president drawing the 0.82

00:00:31.080 attention of the White House with a ultimatum for President Biden, demanding Biden put former

00:00:37.380 President Trump and Secretary of State Pompeo on trial. On trial? For what? For killing Iranian 0.93

00:00:45.060 general and terrorist leader Qasem Soleimani. Or Iran will carry out terrorist attacks inside the

00:00:53.100 United States and around the world. That's a pretty direct threat, isn't it? I don't know about

00:00:57.860 you, but my guess is the Iranians got the idea of demanding a trial of Trump and Pompeo by watching

00:01:04.360 the radical Dems and their Marxist wing put on another Soviet-style show trial when they formed

00:01:10.420 the so-called January 6th Committee. Or perhaps it was those two baseless impeachment efforts or the

00:01:16.660 radical Dems creation of a fraudulent special counsel investigation. But you say, those amounted to

00:01:23.680 nothing. But the Iranians, just like Pelosi and Schumer, don't care whether or not there's any base. They're just 1.00

00:01:31.280 interested in propaganda. Propaganda. Propaganda. And the Iranians named 53 people they've sanctioned. And all we

00:01:41.580 hear from the Biden National Security Advisor, Jake Sullivan, is this meaningless statement. Are you

00:01:46.760 ready? The United States will, quote, respond to any attacks carried out by Iran, end quote.

00:01:56.280 What does that mean? Go ahead, attack our citizens, and we'll send you a sharply worded letter? We'll

00:02:03.540 respond? Really? Well, joining us today to take up all of this is the President of the London Center for

00:02:09.960 Policy Research, CIA-trained intelligence officer, 35 years experience in national security, advisor to the

00:02:17.780 intel community, Pentagon, key members of Congress. With us, our friend, retired Army Lieutenant Colonel

00:02:25.540 Anthony Schaefer. It's great to have you with us, Tony, here on The Great America Show.

00:02:30.640 It's great to be on with you, as always, and I look forward to tearing it up here as we tore it up in the

00:02:36.880 past. So thank you for having me. A past that reaches back, what, 30 years, something like that.

00:02:41.840 That's a long time. Longer than I want to think about it. Well, you know, you get my age, and you're

00:02:47.660 kind of proud to have that lengthy perspective. So yeah, the Iranians threatening this administration 1.00

00:02:55.860 directly. And if people haven't noticed, the Iranians are only the third, third entity, 0.87

00:03:03.280 the third nation to do so. Right. Xi Jinping, his communist government has been very direct in

00:03:11.160 threatening the United States. So has the government of Vladimir Putin. And now the Iranians. And I was 0.93

00:03:19.660 only half kidding when I said they got the idea from the Dems about putting on a trial, but only half

00:03:25.080 kidding. All right. Your thoughts about this absolute ultimatum, these absolute threats against

00:03:32.600 the United States. So let's start with what they're upset about. That is the Iranians, the Soleimani 1.00

00:03:39.360 killing. Lou, people tend to forget because the public doesn't follow this as close as I wish they

00:03:46.200 should. Soleimani was killed incidental to combat operations in Iraq. He wasn't in Iran. And last

00:03:57.340 time I checked, we are still working hard to try to bring stability to Iraq. And I don't want to get

00:04:04.520 into the circumstance of how we're there. Probably a whole new show for that. But suffice it to say

00:04:09.720 that Soleimani was engaged in planning and executing acts of terror. We knew this. And he was a casualty

00:04:19.900 of combat. So that's the way I see it. I think it was a legal, as much as you're going to get these

00:04:27.340 days, a legal act to counter an act of terror. And that's what the Iranians are upset about. And that's

00:04:32.840 what they're saying, that we, the United States, and the current form of the Joe Biden White House

00:04:40.280 should, quote unquote, hold accountable or hold trials against President Trump and Mike Pompeo.

00:04:48.680 That's all I'm saying of this. Let me put it this way. The hell with the Iranians. He was killed 1.00

00:04:54.500 almost two years ago. And now suddenly, this is a subject of discussion and concern for the

00:04:59.860 state of Iran. It's absolutely ludicrous. And then to sanction American citizens, amongst others,

00:05:09.700 as if they're going to carry out these threats. And for the national security advisor, Jake Sullivan,

00:05:17.460 to say we would respond. We're going to wait until they kill somebody to respond. Why don't we take

00:05:25.040 care of business right now? Well, that's very simple. There's a very simple algorithm at work here,

00:05:29.660 I think, Tony. And I want to get your thought on this. Yeah. So that's the issue. If you take out

00:05:34.060 their infrastructure, blow up their refineries, take out about, call it $200 billion worth of

00:05:41.700 infrastructure from a distance. And every time they open their mouths, take out another $50 billion.

00:05:50.600 This has got to stop. But these milquetoast Jake Sullivans that people, the Biden administration,

00:05:58.060 are not going to get anything done. Sullivan is an apologist. And that's your point. That's the

00:06:04.100 answer to your point. The Iranians have brought this back up because they know it would get traction 0.92

00:06:08.760 with the current completely incapable national security apparatus of the Biden White House.

00:06:16.160 So one of the things we could do, and this is something that I think we should do, is consider the

00:06:22.520 fact that Iran helps support the North Korean nuclear program. And in addition to that,

00:06:32.240 the Chinese, the communist Chinese have, any given time, about two to three weeks of gas on hand.

00:06:41.280 They cannot produce their own. One of the largest providers of fuel, of oil, is Iran. So, gee,

00:06:49.700 if you want to do yourself a favor and make life difficult for other rogue countries, you could go

00:06:55.900 to the source of that, which is the Iranians. The Iranians are behind the scenes more than happy 1.00

00:07:02.100 to provide any number of resources, be it hard currency to the North Koreans for them to continue

00:07:08.220 the nuclear program, or be it the Chinese to continue to fuel their economy. These are things that

00:07:14.500 we need to be looking at. And that's part of the problem. You've helped illustrate the very issue

00:07:19.940 of the Biden White House. They are literally playing checkers on a chessboard. We have studied these

00:07:27.500 sorts of things, Lou. I often go to my Reagan mentors, friends and mentors, and kind of check my

00:07:35.100 thoughts on this. The idea has to be, how do we examine the world from the perspective of linkage?

00:07:44.380 And then if you want to affect the Chinese long-term, what can you do against the Iranians? And what can 0.99

00:07:49.280 you do at this point in time against the Iranians, which slow their ability down to either threaten or 0.99

00:07:55.680 conduct acts of terror? And there are huge vulnerabilities within the Iranian system. One of

00:08:02.660 them is that the youth there, Lou, hate their government. We missed an opportunity back in 2009

00:08:09.060 to support what was then called the Green Revolution. The idea was that, you know, there was this Arab 0.68

00:08:14.920 Spring. We should have been supporting the Persian Spring. We should have been out there trying to push 1.00

00:08:20.320 for these people to essentially throw off the yoke of theocracy. And they are a theocratic, very fascistic

00:08:28.840 country run by these mullahs and help the people of Iran to be free. Boy, and you know, if you have 0.99

00:08:39.340 your own people uprising against your government, it's darn hard to continue to develop weapons of

00:08:46.240 mass destruction, nuclear weapons, if your own people are coming at you. And I still believe we 1.00

00:08:51.220 should have done everything. And we could now do everything we can to support the Iranian people,

00:08:55.720 the Persians rising up against their theocratic government. Yeah, it's stunning, I think, to many

00:09:02.320 of us that we can watch their speedboats armed with 50 caliber weapons, harassing United States Navy

00:09:12.060 in the Persian Gulf. It's stunning to me that the United States, under a series of presidents,

00:09:20.220 Republican and Democrat have tolerated their nonsense. And they only encourage them, whether

00:09:27.140 it's their sponsorship of the Houthis in Yemen, whether it is attacking US soldiers in Iraq, as

00:09:34.200 they continue to do to this very day. And no White House points out, the Iranians were responsible for 1.00

00:09:42.640 a third of the American lives lost in Iraq, right? A third. And to think that we permit this nonsense,

00:09:53.700 this bellicose, this, these bellicose ultimatums, it's time to stop it, in my opinion.

00:10:01.160 Right. Well, I don't know if you know this, Lou. We've covered before my book, Operation Darkheart,

00:10:06.240 which covered my time in Afghanistan in 2003. Right. When I was, when we were interrogating a 0.86

00:10:11.780 US citizen in a place called Gardez, his brother, Dr. Ali Shah, was an IRGC operative who we captured

00:10:19.360 as well. So he was working for Soleimani. So these guys, think about this, Lou, in Afghanistan in 2003,

00:10:26.180 the Iranians were funding the very insurgency that was growing against us back then. So this, 0.86

00:10:32.800 there's absolutely no doubt that these guys have been up to no good. They continue to be up to no

00:10:38.300 good. And this is something that multiple administrations have not done well. I think

00:10:44.300 Trump, through his staff, were the first and only ones to take the threat seriously and do something

00:10:51.340 about it by taking Soleimani out. So again, I'm of a mind that we need to start planning now,

00:10:58.840 if we can get through the next two years, to 2024, and how we can then help influence appropriately

00:11:06.400 a return to an aggressive foreign policy that allows for us to go after these individuals who

00:11:13.880 are constantly trying to kill Americans. I don't know how we stand for this and don't do anything

00:11:19.780 about it. Yeah. No one seriously thinks that Iran would have been this bold and provocative that 0.88

00:11:29.700 Putin would move hundreds of thousands of his troops, at least a couple hundred thousand of

00:11:36.300 his troops into position with heavy armor, rockets and missiles ready to invade Ukraine. He's not there

00:11:45.620 for a simple military exercise. I guess an exercise with 200,000 soldiers would not be a simple one to

00:11:55.220 carry off. But they're in constant positioning and moving forward against that western border of Russia

00:12:04.260 with Ukraine. Trump would never have permitted that. And you would never have heard Xi Jinping

00:12:12.400 threatening, threatening Donald Trump as he has Joe Biden in the United States over the past year

00:12:20.360 since Mr. Biden has taken over the Oval Office. Right. So let's walk through that very quickly

00:12:28.680 on Ukraine and Russia. Lou, one of the best things we could do is triple down support to our Polish

00:12:34.920 allies. The Polish are extraordinarily committed to their republic and they love us. We should love them

00:12:42.200 in a military way. We should embrace that. Embrace that relationship. Two other countries which have

00:12:47.980 been reluctantly but now very much are open to the idea of joining NATO is Norway and Finland.

00:12:58.900 So those countries have both been troubled greatly by the old Soviet Union. One of them was invaded during

00:13:06.360 World War II, right before World War II, and they are continuing to be troubled now by Putin's Russia.

00:13:12.960 So why not bring them in and make NATO even stronger? These are things which, Lou, cost us nothing. This does not

00:13:20.400 endanger our blood or treasure one little bit, but does show Putin that there's going to be consequences

00:13:27.380 for his continued aggression. And again, these are things which we study on a routine basis.

00:13:33.900 And Lou, can you imagine, this was a report that came out last week and I, it's from NBC, but I know

00:13:39.900 Courtney Kuby who actually wrote it. I know and trust her. Biden administration weighs offer to Russia

00:13:47.060 to cut U.S. troops in Eastern Europe. Really? You're going to offer to cut troops in Eastern Europe at the

00:13:54.020 very time. Putin's aggressively seeking to gain territory in Ukraine. This is, this is literally

00:14:00.300 insanity. Can you imagine the expression on President Putin's face? Yeah. When his intelligence

00:14:08.160 and diplomatic leaders come to him at the Kremlin and say, you know, they will, they'll remove their

00:14:16.620 troops as he's threatening Ukraine, Poland, and all of Eastern Europe. There's just, it's impossible to

00:14:29.000 think of anything more pathetic unless it is Jake Sullivan saying, we'll have a response for you

00:14:34.880 instead of making it very clear publicly, unequivocally, that this will not be tolerated by

00:14:41.940 Western civilization. Lou, they are counting on Jake Sullivan issuing a strongly worded memo

00:14:49.280 as their only response. And unfortunately, I think that's probably what we can expect. You mentioned

00:14:55.140 China. Say that we have huge leverage on it, we choose not to use it, is the ability to essentially 0.68

00:15:03.280 upend the continued growth of the Chinese government. And let me explain that. Any given year,

00:15:11.280 China spends as much on developing internal sources of potable water for its, its huge population,

00:15:18.960 and they are constantly seeking protein. They are a very hungry population. And then you combine that

00:15:27.180 with the inherent vulnerability of the fact that their economy depends on Middle East oil far more

00:15:32.760 than ours. I mean, we were under Trump, President Trump, a net exporter of oil. We've, we're not now,

00:15:39.240 but we were, and we could go back to that quickly. China has no such option. Their geography has not 0.75

00:15:44.900 provided them the gift of, of a great deal of, of petroleum. They have a lot of coal, which they're

00:15:49.660 developing, but coal doesn't run cars. It doesn't run airplanes, doesn't run ships. And this is where

00:15:55.980 Lou is a, as a planner, I planned, you know, as one of the folks back in the nineties, looking at

00:16:02.660 vulnerabilities, the Chinese economy is, uh, is, uh, is very, very vulnerable. And, uh, when you combine that

00:16:12.460 with other regional allies, the Vietnamese, the South Koreans, the Philippines, uh, India, we could do

00:16:20.880 huge damage, uh, and not even be obvious about it regarding just interfering with shipping, uh, causing

00:16:28.260 catastrophic failures of infrastructure, just to remind them that, uh, they need to back off and

00:16:36.360 otherwise they would suffer catastrophic failure of even more. And again, going back to the principle

00:16:41.880 of, uh, of how to actually, uh, hobble an enemy without having to lose your blood and treasure.

00:16:48.800 Let me tell you, if you have, uh, a billion people who are upset about the fact they're not being fed

00:16:54.520 and don't have water, I think that internal problem would, uh, diffuse any ability of the Chinese, 0.99

00:17:00.520 uh, leadership, the PRC leadership to do expeditionary things because they have to be

00:17:05.020 focused on the inside. Again, Lou, this is not rocket science. We know this stuff.

00:17:09.520 It is not rocket science, but it is also a changing science. And Tony, let me, let me put together a

00:17:18.060 hypothesis for you to consider. And that is that we did do that. Then we have to,

00:17:24.520 examine our vulnerabilities, the United States right now, we depend on China for 98% of our

00:17:31.660 pharmaceuticals and pharmaceutical ingredients, 98%. Right. We depend on China, uh, to, uh, allow us

00:17:40.640 to still gather up some rare earth in the world markets. We are absolutely dependent upon China for

00:17:48.100 the manufacturer of our clothing, uh, uh, almost every product imaginable between Walmart and Amazon.

00:17:56.380 We're talking about probably what is, I will, this is a guess, uh, not a statement of fact. Uh, I would

00:18:03.580 guess we're probably, uh, not only the largest market for Chinese exports, uh, but probably with those

00:18:11.420 two companies, I would say probably were first and second in, in terms of, uh, dependency on them for

00:18:18.900 exports of everything from appliances to clothing, you name it. Uh, and now soon automobiles, I'm sure.

00:18:25.260 Uh, we have, uh, uh, also because of DARPA, the, in the, uh, 1990s developing hypersonic missile,

00:18:35.620 uh, technology, and then putting it on the shelf in 2000, but the Chinese rated our cupboard of that

00:18:46.240 technology and so much more. So now we have a missile gap, a hypersonic missile gap with both

00:18:52.260 Russia, Russia, and China. And by the way, shipping, all of those goods and material from China, from

00:18:59.660 Asia, where we have also allowed our corporations to, uh, offshore production rather than building

00:19:06.280 it here. Uh, that shipping is 90% owned by the communist Chinese party, right? Uh, those container

00:19:14.300 ships are just basically a side hustle for the CCP, but we're totally dependent upon that shipping.

00:19:21.920 Right. Uh, and the list goes on. If we so much as raise our voice, we would have to be prepared,

00:19:29.460 uh, for them to also exact some considerable punishment because we are so dependent upon

00:19:36.200 them for finished products that it's, it's just unspeakably stupid that our leaders ever let us get

00:19:42.540 in this position. Yes, sir. No, I, I I'm one of those that really believed two years ago, this was an

00:19:48.080 opportunity because of the disruption of the supply chain for us to return to the manufacture of our

00:19:55.880 own, uh, material, especially, uh, prescription drugs, certain types of steel, certain militarily

00:20:03.720 important items. And of course, uh, the Trump white house started looking at some of that.

00:20:10.160 Uh, and I think we were making progress, uh, heck we were even looking at partnering with

00:20:14.480 Rutgers university, which is not a conservative school, their business school and examining how

00:20:18.920 to reinvigorate us manufacturing of these things. And it just, it faded away instantly when the Biden

00:20:26.040 administration came in. And to that point, Lou, uh, I think, uh, there's, uh, it is in our interest

00:20:32.540 both because, uh, we need to reinvigorate us industry. Uh, but also we should not be dependent

00:20:38.520 on someone who does not share our values. And like you said, uh, all business in China, every business

00:20:45.180 is either de facto owned by the Chinese communist party, or only exists because of the forbearance

00:20:53.420 of the Chinese communist party. There's nothing independent about its industry. And they have used 0.98

00:21:00.420 that, uh, ability to essentially imprison our economy. And it's a very dangerous situation.

00:21:06.860 And the dangerous situation that, uh, the world represents right now, principally Iran, China, 1.00

00:21:14.620 Russia internally, we're watching, uh, a, it seems almost a fifth column, uh, that has been

00:21:23.860 formed, whether it be a woke military, whether it be intelligence agencies, uh, that are being

00:21:30.460 used by the radical Dems, uh, the Marxist left, uh, to, to weaponize, uh, uh, attacks on American

00:21:40.400 citizens, uh, calling them domestic terrorists, thereby suggesting that they can use whatever

00:21:47.000 surveillance, uh, or, or, uh, response, uh, to domestic terrorists, uh, legally and, and

00:21:56.900 viably, it's disgusting. And your thoughts on what is happening with the intelligence community

00:22:03.320 with the military, uh, under this administration and this civilian and military leadership.

00:22:09.660 So this really, uh, went critical during the, the Biden, uh, I'm sorry, that the, the Obama

00:22:18.780 years, uh, one of the things, uh, one of my friends and, and, uh, someone I've worked with

00:22:23.980 over the years is Jim Woolsey, Jim, former director of CIA, uh, back in the nineties,

00:22:28.900 I was running an operation, which he briefed to president Clinton. Anyway, we've remained

00:22:32.540 friends since then. And so Jim had mentioned to me that he had gone to one of the updates,

00:22:36.440 uh, over at CIA, former directors get to go over there for updates. And he went in to get an update

00:22:41.920 from a guy named John Brennan, Lou, you, you know, John, John's, uh, uh, I could tell you some

00:22:47.520 stories about John. Anyway, he goes in and he gets this briefing. And during this briefing,

00:22:51.540 this important briefing, John Brennan bragged to all these former directors of CI that he was proud

00:22:57.820 that his primary priority had finally come true, that the CI had become the premier employer of gay 0.98

00:23:04.040 and lesbians. I don't know what that has to do with spying and keeping track of our adversaries, 0.75

00:23:12.080 but that was John Brennan's focus. And this has permeated. It's just gotten worse. And now you have

00:23:18.800 the intelligence community, you have the department of defense, all focused on gender and race issues

00:23:26.020 as their primary issue, rather than can the, can the military, uh, figure out how to break things

00:23:33.920 and kill adversaries on call. And that's why you've seen this, uh, this placement of people like,

00:23:41.760 uh, Lloyd Austin, uh, you know, uh, Lou, I know a general Austin, he was a brigadier general when we

00:23:49.260 were in Afghanistan. And I don't want to, uh, cast any aspersions beyond those. I personally know

00:23:55.860 about the man, the man was not competent. He was not competent to be a one-star general. He's not

00:24:00.600 competent to be the, the secretary of defense. And the reason you have people like Lloyd Austin

00:24:07.340 selected to be the secretary of defense is because they are malleable and they focus more on social

00:24:15.680 justice and woke issues than they do on competence and military efficiency regarding how do we

00:24:22.160 create and maintain the best possible military force to defend the United States and our allies.

00:24:29.280 Uh, and so this is very dangerous in that regard. I'll bet most Americans don't know what the size of

00:24:36.080 the U S military is, how many combat brigades we have ready for combat and deployment, uh, and compare

00:24:44.900 that to previous decades. Right. When, uh, going back to the end of the cold war to 1990, uh, 1991.

00:24:53.140 Yeah. It's, it's, it's stunning to see how few people we have in the military. And one of the reasons

00:24:59.540 we're seeing all of this wokeness is the military can't keep up its recruitment, right? The volunteer 0.52

00:25:05.620 military is, has, has, has never worked. The military doesn't want to acknowledge it. Our, our both

00:25:12.760 parties won't acknowledge it, but the, in the absence of the selective service, we are immensely,

00:25:20.380 immensely, uh, vulnerable. And we don't even have the apparatus for a column in place. And our national

00:25:28.440 guard, our reserves are depleted, uh, and not ready. Uh, it's a terrible moment. So you're no,

00:25:38.080 I appreciate your, uh, awareness of this Lou. Most other folks don't recognize what you said right

00:25:44.040 now. We are at an all time low of, uh, of actual, uh, muscle ready to go. And by, by the way, you might

00:25:51.060 find it ironic that we have more general officers than ever. We have more general officers. We had at the

00:25:55.180 height of world war II. We have all, all this, all these stars and nobody to lead because last number

00:26:02.100 I heard on that is we have today. Now think back to this folks in world war II, we had 12 million

00:26:09.320 Americans serving in the United States military. We have four times as many general staff officers

00:26:17.880 today as we had then. Yeah. If you can imagine that. Think about that. It's insane. So that's

00:26:25.540 where we're at. We have all of this, uh, all of these so-called leaders who have, uh, essentially

00:26:31.820 not, uh, not shown any ability to lead. And one of the things I think we stepped away from,

00:26:37.300 and this really started in Korea. And as a matter of fact, we want to do a retelling of this issue.

00:26:41.800 Uh, we have established Lewis system where people are measured by performance, M O P rather than 0.81

00:26:52.820 measures of effectiveness during world war II. Uh, I think Dwight Eisenhower and others, uh, general

00:26:59.640 Marshall, uh, all examined and, and judge people by their ability to achieve that no longer matters.

00:27:07.460 It's all about now, do you approach and support a specific, uh, woke objective or woke idea? Uh,

00:27:17.140 it has nothing to do with performance. And again, when you, you, you take that as a leadership

00:27:24.060 failure and you combine it with a lack of resources regarding individuals regarding a real equipment,

00:27:30.640 real training, then you've created a condition for any near peer, uh, challenger,

00:27:37.460 to likely have a really good shot at defeating us. And I, I, I, I, it pains me to say this,

00:27:43.320 but I just hope people are listening to recognize that we're not being, we're not saying we want this.

00:27:50.240 We're saying we're trying to give you all the policy guidance to wake up before it's too late.

00:27:56.200 And that's the issue, Lou, uh, to your point, we, we don't have a, a, a service. And for the,

00:28:02.760 for example, the Israelis always require some level of military service. I think it 1.00

00:28:07.320 gives them a great benefit. It allows people to understand the importance of defending their

00:28:12.100 country. Uh, and I think we should have something similar, which requires that you have some level

00:28:18.380 of service, uh, regarding having, uh, an understanding and appreciation for how important

00:28:25.240 our nation is and protecting our interests. I think it's part of why we have so many kids

00:28:30.240 turning to woke because they don't have an alternative, uh, that gives them an understanding

00:28:35.040 of why the Republic is so important, what is necessary to sustain the Republic and why we

00:28:41.760 don't have a democracy. We have a Republic, which persists to protect the interests of those

00:28:47.240 individuals who, uh, are not in the blue, um, strongholds of, of the, uh, East coast.

00:28:54.220 Yeah. You know, let's be clear. The democratic party is trying to up end, uh, everything that

00:29:02.020 is, uh, American, the American way, our traditional, uh, values, uh, our heritage. Uh, it's disgusting.

00:29:10.300 And the Republican party is in a feat organization right now. The leadership are rhinos, uh, and 0.95

00:29:17.960 they are trying to select their, uh, rhino friends, Mitch McConnell talking about retiring as, uh,

00:29:24.020 as majority leader, excuse me, minority leader in the U S Senate. He he's tapping John Thune,

00:29:31.800 who is not, I mean, these are walking political zombies, right? They are absolutely out of touch,

00:29:39.740 indolent, uh, passive to the point of, uh, uh, appalling, uh, and are incapable of leading in an

00:29:49.000 America first, uh, uh, uh, government, which is precisely what this country needs at all times.

00:29:55.560 Right. I want to say, Tony, we've covered a lot of area here. Uh, you brought up wonderful, uh,

00:30:02.080 points and issues, uh, for us to discuss, and I hope you'll come back soon to, to do so. Uh,

00:30:08.060 our custom is to give you the last, our guests, the last word. And I do so now, uh, as we conclude

00:30:14.180 here, Tony. So Lou, uh, as always, it's an honor to talk to you. I I've always appreciated your,

00:30:20.460 uh, take no prisoners approach to getting the truth out. And I think that's, what's necessary

00:30:24.940 for us to do now. Uh, we have real, uh, threats that we've identified both foreign and domestic.

00:30:31.660 I think it's time that people educate themselves and people like you, I would like to continue to

00:30:38.300 work with, to help educate folks on the fact that we have a Republic. It's not only worth saving,

00:30:44.180 it's worth saving by the fact that it will help preserve by leadership, uh, by our leading by

00:30:50.300 example, it will help preserve the world, uh, going in a direction that benefits all individuals

00:30:56.860 and prevents the return of tyranny. And I think, uh, that should be our focus. And as always, Lou,

00:31:05.020 thank you for your patriotism and, and, uh, clear and concise thoughts on how to preserve, uh,

00:31:11.380 the Republic. So thank you for having me. Tony, thank you. I appreciate you being here as always

00:31:16.480 and come back soon. Coming up next here on the great America show, Catherine Engelbrecht,

00:31:22.220 president and founder of the electoral integrity watchdog group. True the vote. We'll be talking

00:31:28.140 about her group's discovery of illegal ballots in Georgia and just how many of those ballots exist.

00:31:35.200 They believe they were, uh, quite a number and whether there were enough of them to change the

00:31:40.580 outcome of the election, at least in Georgia, Catherine Engelbrecht here with us next Georgia's 0.99

00:31:48.260 presidential vote was close 12,000 votes, the margin for Joe Biden. Now it appears there were a

00:31:54.420 significant number of illegal votes cast. The watchdog group true, the vote has video evidence and the

00:32:01.380 admission of at least one ballot harvester who says thousands of votes were likely harvested on

00:32:08.080 election night. As you may know, true, the votes work in Georgia and its discovery of what seems to

00:32:14.180 be a clear case of ballot harvesting. That is third parties collecting and delivering ballots to the

00:32:19.760 polls. That is illegal. True. The vote took its evidence to the Georgia secretary of state,

00:32:24.880 Brad Raffensperger, and he launched an investigation with us. Now Catherine Engelbrecht,

00:32:30.800 president of true, the vote. Welcome to the great America show, Catherine. We appreciate you being

00:32:36.580 with us. Thanks so much for having me, Lou. And Catherine, let's start with where you are now. Uh,

00:32:44.140 what evidence you've gathered, uh, to the degree that you can share that with us and, uh, next steps.

00:32:51.800 Sure. So, uh, where we are now is in Georgia. As you mentioned, we have filed a official complaint.

00:32:58.580 In fact, we filed three with the secretary of state and they have opened an investigation and are

00:33:03.760 working through, um, their machinations on their side to get to the point in which, uh, we can, uh,

00:33:10.940 work more closely to get to the bottom of what we believe, um, the data indicates was an organized

00:33:18.100 and widespread ballot trafficking scheme that, by the way, wasn't just in Georgia. Uh, we have similar

00:33:26.740 information in a handful of other states, Arizona, Michigan, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Texas. And all of

00:33:35.820 those reports are yet to drop. Um, but the, the patterns, the affiliated organizations, um, all seem

00:33:47.440 to have a common thread and, and we're very hopeful that the level of investigation and attention that,

00:33:53.580 that these reports will draw, uh, will, will prove out just, just how, um, just how subverted our

00:34:02.280 process really is. The, the idea that there's a widespread, uh, effort to, uh, harvest ballots, which

00:34:12.020 is illegal, uh, uh, on its face. Give us a sense, if you will, before we go through this so that we can

00:34:19.240 kind of organize our minds around this in Georgia, what is the kind of evidence, the type of evidence

00:34:26.200 that you have of, uh, uh, illegal, uh, uh, ballot harvesting? Well, in Georgia and every, every state's

00:34:34.200 a little different, but in Georgia, um, we had an informant who, a confidential informant, I may add,

00:34:41.420 who came forward with some information about their involvement in, uh, what was happening on the ground,

00:34:48.940 the, the, the end to end, uh, the end to end scheduling, if you will, of the ballot trafficking. And so

00:34:55.800 what we did at that point was determined based upon that. And, and, and again, it's really important

00:35:01.640 to keep in mind, we were getting this information from other states to the, the commonalities were,

00:35:06.300 um, consistent enough that we thought, okay, how do we approach, if we were going to approach this,

00:35:14.640 like taking down a cartel, what would we do? What data is available that leaves, um, trackable

00:35:22.380 evidence that would prove up these patterns. And at that point, we decided to procure geospatial data,

00:35:32.940 cell phone data, and we procured an enormous amount of it. In fact, we're now dealing with a petabyte

00:35:41.060 of data and using that data. We were able to determine geospatial, uh, uh, records. You're

00:35:52.260 talking about what is commonly referred to as the ping that can be used by usually law enforcement

00:35:58.420 to track, uh, the location of a cell phone. Is that right?

00:36:02.580 That's correct. With, with one very important addition, um, up until just a few years ago,

00:36:09.400 uh, pings were, were primarily GPS oriented and you were getting a ping from cell phone

00:36:15.140 tower to cell phone tower, and you could triangulate around that. And, you know,

00:36:18.380 it was fairly accurate, but not accurate within inches. Um, over these last few years,

00:36:23.980 we have seen the rise of what is referred to as marketing data. And that marketing data,

00:36:31.360 uh, also referred to as geospatial data, um, lives in any app you have on your phone and any app that

00:36:39.480 you have on your phone is sending up messages, packages of information about you, where you are,

00:36:45.660 um, where you've been, what your profile looks like. And that is available for sale in a, for a variety

00:36:52.820 of purposes, political campaigns, use it for get out the vote. If you've ever been to a, to a coffee

00:36:59.100 shop, to a Starbucks and you pull up and suddenly you get a text that says there's a cappuccino on

00:37:04.000 sale. That's because they're using marketing data to track you. It is, it is broadly used and that data

00:37:11.300 is available for sale. And so that was the direction that we went in. All right. Terrific. Now with that

00:37:19.180 data, uh, and have you also got, uh, well, how did you use the data, uh, as it relates to, uh, picking

00:37:29.400 up, uh, ballots and depositing them then in these drop boxes, which most States don't, uh, I think

00:37:37.640 that's accurate. I, most States I don't believe have those drop boxes. Well, our, our theory was,

00:37:44.840 and of course, at the time we didn't know what we would find when we, when we went down this path,

00:37:49.440 we let the data tell the story. Uh, our theory was, uh, if there was to be a subversion of process,

00:37:55.740 it was most likely to occur with these new drop boxes that had been privately funded. As we all now

00:38:02.120 know by CTCL backed by Mark Zuckerberg. The reason that we focused on those in particular

00:38:08.060 was because they seem to have, um, the greatest amount of confusion around the process around

00:38:16.260 where they were being put. It was all very sort of, let's just use the word shady. And so that

00:38:23.280 to us was interesting enough to, to set a geo fence around a geo fence essentially is, is plotting the

00:38:31.280 coordinates. And then with your marketing data, you can determine that the path or the pattern

00:38:36.980 of people that were coming in and out of that, of that space. And so the thought was, where did we

00:38:43.400 see patterns of abuse where people went? Not once, not twice, not three times, not five times,

00:38:49.180 but in Georgia, the average is 23 times of the people that we, that we found. And, and as you work

00:38:55.480 in these, this is just, you know, mammoth data, but once you begin to separate it, you see that there's

00:39:02.000 a certain group that falls into a certain pattern that is such an outlier that you, that you then

00:39:09.320 can dig in and learn more about what those patterns are and, and whether or not, um, the, the, the nature

00:39:17.780 of, of the, the dropping these, you know, of the repeated visits into the drop box is, is worth, uh,

00:39:23.840 going further. And so I'm going to go ahead.

00:39:27.320 Well, and then that in, in the case of Georgia, then we were able to supplement with video, um,

00:39:33.780 all States were to have had a secured, uh, video as was recommended, uh, by federal government.

00:39:40.860 But as we now know, most States didn't. And as we're learning in Georgia, they didn't keep the

00:39:45.860 data or didn't keep the video. Uh, but we also know that the attorney general, Merrick Garland sent

00:39:52.060 out a note, uh, reminding everyone to keep that data and to keep, uh, relevant, anything

00:39:59.000 relevant. Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. Federal standard is to hold it for 22 months.

00:40:04.460 But, you know, if, if I had to choose a word to describe the 2020 election, the word would be

00:40:10.700 lawless. It just, it, it just didn't, there were so many new standards, never before seen, uh,

00:40:18.920 consent decrees that were being put into place, all of these new processes. And it just became

00:40:23.260 the wild West. And that's, you know, that's what we sort of, and Georgia and Georgia was principal

00:40:32.580 among those States, uh, with consent, uh, decrees and, uh, indeed, uh, carrying out an agreement,

00:40:38.920 uh, to, uh, in ways in which to change the election. Uh, and the secretary of state himself

00:40:46.080 was the, the one who negotiated that, correct? Uh, yes, um, that is true. He was

00:40:52.960 Mark Elias, who is a, is a name I'm sure your listeners are familiar with, you know, right.

00:41:01.080 He was, he wasn't, he was the orchestra conductor of, or appears to be the orchestra conductor of

00:41:06.920 lawsuits, consent decrees, and, and, and, and lawfare tactics that were happening, uh, in every

00:41:14.580 battleground state coast to coast, hundreds and hundreds of lawsuits, hundreds of, of new procedures

00:41:21.540 put into place out of the eye of, of the, the average public. So that it, it, it, it all was

00:41:27.600 happening behind the scenes in a way that, that to, you know, to wrap your mind around it in the

00:41:32.040 aftermath of the election was nearly impossible. Yeah. Well, it certainly was impossible, uh, for the,

00:41:39.460 uh, Trump campaign, uh, for the RNC and the state campaign committees themselves, because

00:41:45.880 the, the radical Dems ran wild. They were changing, uh, election rules, regulations, and laws. Uh,

00:41:55.280 sometimes the secretary of state doing it, uh, rather than the state legislature without

00:42:00.180 authorization, uh, which is a violation of most, uh, if not all the state constitutions, uh,

00:42:06.240 and frankly, federal election law. Absolutely. And in 2020, in the spring and summer of 2020,

00:42:12.440 true, the vote was filing lawsuits in those states, uh, for the very, for the very reason that you just

00:42:18.840 called out that they were not following their process. If you want to change an election law,

00:42:23.460 fine, but you've got to do it through the legislature. And this, this, you know, election by

00:42:28.220 fiat is not a direction any of us should be anxious to see take hold. So we were suing, um,

00:42:34.420 but it was happening so fast. And this was so just, just, you know, un, unexplored, this whole new

00:42:43.760 space that we had found ourselves in. And it was all happening under this fog of COVID that it was,

00:42:49.260 it was hard, almost impossible to, to really see, see what was going on more toward the horizon line,

00:42:58.360 the play that was already, you know, a foot. And, um, and so that is why, uh, in the immediate

00:43:04.280 aftermath of the election, um, where so many groups took, took a path down in a different,

00:43:10.940 a different way. We focused on what we believe to be the absolute way to prove the abuse and the type

00:43:21.300 of data and the process that we approach this with and the, and the contractors that were engaged

00:43:26.360 in this process, um, are, are very familiar. This is how law, this is how, this is how crimes are

00:43:33.300 solved routinely. This is, this is how, um, this is how many of our government agencies are identifying

00:43:41.540 patterns of criminal behavior and what we have identified as nothing less than that.

00:43:47.280 And, and with that statement, Catherine, let's examine, we're talking here well over a year after that

00:43:55.180 election. Uh, we know the resources of the federal Bureau of investigation, federal agencies, uh,

00:44:02.800 state, uh, bureaus investigation, including the GBI, the Georgia Bureau of investigation,

00:44:08.600 not a, one of them would investigate watch what were clear and obvious anomalies, irregularities

00:44:15.960 that required explanation, uh, whether in Georgia, for example, the easiest thing was to watch the videos,

00:44:23.280 of, uh, of, uh, vans pulling up as we saw in Wayne County, Michigan, uh, Detroit, Michigan, uh, all sorts

00:44:32.940 of peculiarities, uh, in this election, but not a single, as far as I know, not a single investigative

00:44:41.280 agency of either the federal government or the state governments were investigating in the months

00:44:47.720 following that election. Is that true? Well, you know, certainly that's what we, that's what we

00:44:54.480 saw from, from our vantage point. We have been nose down in this space, um, methodically working

00:45:02.120 towards investigations and, uh, in, in our, in our States and, and trying a very diligently, uh, to check

00:45:09.580 every box so that we wouldn't come up against a gotcha moment. We've, we've been very thoughtful

00:45:14.600 about the provenance of the data. We have been, uh, very, uh, intentional about the, um, authorities

00:45:21.900 and, and the agencies with which we've shared the data so that it's all got a paper trail. It's all

00:45:26.980 got a chain of custody to it. Um, there's, there's every reason to hope that where we are now, uh, will,

00:45:34.540 will, will usher in a new discussion. And yes, it is, it is late, but I will also say, uh,

00:45:41.760 ballot trafficking, which, uh, you know, it's commonly referred to the process that we're

00:45:48.400 describing is commonly referred to as ballot harvesting. And as often as I can, I encourage

00:45:52.660 people, let's get away from calling it harvesting. That is far too nice a term. This is ballot

00:45:59.000 trafficking, that this is voter abuse. And this targets the most vulnerable of our communities

00:46:05.820 who are, who are put into a process that is been going on for so long. And of course was,

00:46:12.060 you know, exploited beyond the beyond in 2020, but this has been playing out in our communities

00:46:20.060 for years and we have got to get our arms around it.

00:46:24.660 And I should point out to our listeners, you and I have been talking about voter integrity,

00:46:29.720 uh, for more than two decades, I believe that's correct. Uh, and, uh, with, you know, various

00:46:37.580 knaves and, uh, thieves and the night, uh, working to change and, and not all in one party either.

00:46:44.760 We should point out, but this time, this time, uh, the humdinger seems to be all at the, uh,

00:46:52.160 at the hands of the radical dims and the left in this country. I want to, if I may narrow down just a

00:46:58.300 bit, and I, by the way, I will exceed to your suggestion, uh, from here on, on, uh, the great

00:47:05.040 America show, uh, we'll be talking about, uh, ballot trafficking. I love that. Uh, we'll also be

00:47:12.380 talking about, uh, voter abuse. I love that too. So, uh, we're expanding our vocabulary, uh, here on

00:47:18.480 the show as live and in color, as they say. Uh, and I appreciate the council. I do want to go to

00:47:26.100 now the evidence because the secretary of state, uh, Brad Raffensperger did launch the investigation

00:47:36.540 based on your evidence. What was it be as, and I know there's some issues here of, uh, that you

00:47:44.100 would concern you on specificity, perhaps if you have a confidential, uh, informative, you, uh, you

00:47:50.120 know, as you said, they got to be sensitive to that, but what was the evidence that you've got

00:47:54.960 the geospatial evidence, uh, and you could track where they went, where did they go? Where did

00:48:01.340 they come from? Uh, where did they return? Uh, and, uh, you know, whose numbers were you tracking

00:48:08.440 ultimately? Well, to be very clear, um, what, what we presented in our data was what appears to be

00:48:19.280 the abuse of a process, um, by in, in the case of Georgia, um, 242 individual devices that, uh,

00:48:31.240 according to the data went on average, a total of 23 unique times to drop boxes within our study

00:48:39.660 period. And in Georgia, it was interesting because we were able to look at both the general election

00:48:45.700 election and the runoff election. Uh, remember that, you know, what we're doing is never

00:48:49.960 the senatorial knowledge. Correct. Correct. And so we were, you know, we were doggedly determined

00:48:57.640 to just let the data form the trail. And, and what we noticed was, um, that there was a group

00:49:05.760 that, uh, we could separate from the general population, a group of devices that followed these

00:49:11.380 patterns and that, uh, followed them, not just, uh, in, in the space of the drop boxes, but also,

00:49:18.420 uh, there's an aspect that loops in certain organizations. And so these 242 devices, let me

00:49:26.600 guess those organizations were nonprofits. Yes. Uh, yes. And so, and so what we did was we, um,

00:49:35.720 we presented that to the secretary of state, um, and, you know, are, are hopeful that this will

00:49:44.980 begin, um, a much broader investigation into all of the inner workings, um, of, of, of the,

00:49:55.320 of the entirety of what appears to be an organized effort to subvert the process. Um, and, and, you know,

00:50:03.540 I can tell you a couple of things. Number one, um, we are confident that we don't have

00:50:08.420 the full picture because all we looked at were those drop boxes that were, uh, uniquely placed,

00:50:16.320 um, in the, in the 11th hour that were, had been privately funded. And so, you know,

00:50:22.720 the Mark Zuckerberg, correct. Correct. So, because, because our hypothesis was that if,

00:50:28.960 if there was to be subversion, you would likely go to where the, the, you know, the, the link in

00:50:35.080 the chain was weakest and those drop boxes were certainly a part of it. And, and so our,

00:50:42.400 our position is, and I want to couch it very, very carefully. Um, the, the data that we have

00:50:47.900 provided to Georgia and in other states in the days ahead, um, suggests patterns that, that would

00:50:56.240 support reasonable doubt to look more closely. And that, at that point becomes a law enforcement

00:51:04.100 issue. And so I don't, you know, I don't want to say or do anything that could impede that process.

00:51:09.940 Um, but I will, I will, I will tell you it's, it's, it's widespread. Um, it is, it is the result of

00:51:21.500 tireless work over this last year, working through all manner of quality checks to make sure that

00:51:28.160 we're not picking up, you know, somebody that's standing at a bus stop or, uh, somebody that's,

00:51:34.800 you know, a UPS driver, whatever the case may be, we're making certain, uh, that those devices don't

00:51:40.960 fall into those categories as much as we can. But now the onus is going to soon shift. Um, we can go

00:51:48.520 so far and then the government has to step up. Um, but what I have, uh, said repeatedly is if the

00:51:56.060 government doesn't step up, um, then, then what we have done will be made public.

00:52:03.120 Good. All right. And, uh, what I'd like to do is invite you back here with each, you know, with each

00:52:11.060 state that you take on, uh, we'd love to have you here to talk about your progress and, uh, and the way

00:52:16.980 forward from here. Uh, would you be willing to do that? Absolutely. This is so much of what

00:52:22.860 happened to us in 2020 as a country happened because we, we weren't really as educated as we

00:52:29.080 might have been around the process and what is and isn't legal and, uh, is and isn't appropriate.

00:52:34.720 And so having those conversations and familiarizing ourselves with how it's supposed to look and feel,

00:52:41.240 I think will, will have a huge impact in the year ahead. Well, I, I want to turn, uh, and I, and I

00:52:49.000 know you will, it's just, uh, it is just a, uh, so frustrating that this comes at this time. And when,

00:52:58.000 when the people think about, well, why didn't these agencies and departments and state and, uh, uh,

00:53:04.620 federal, uh, agencies in particular, not investigate that's because apparently the election went the way

00:53:11.720 they wanted. So why investigate, right? Uh, it's, it seems that straightforward. And we say we had a

00:53:18.560 Supreme court that had two opportunities to step in. And by the way, constitutionally is required to

00:53:24.720 step in a dispute amongst, uh, and between States. And they chose not to, uh, the Supreme court was

00:53:31.980 cowardly. Uh, the federal government, uh, it was cowardly of not corrupt or both. Uh, it's,

00:53:38.620 it's very frustrating to think of the shape that our, our electoral system is in. What do you think?

00:53:45.900 Well, I, I don't just, I, I agree. Um, but I would, I would challenge us all to look at it from,

00:53:53.940 from this point of view, let 2020 be the line in the sand. Never again,

00:54:00.000 never again. We've got to move this forward in a way that citizens are hands-on in our elections.

00:54:08.640 And if 2020 had to occur in order for 2022 and years forward to be free and fair, then so be it.

00:54:17.080 But if we don't learn the lesson of 2020, then we are doomed to repeat it.

00:54:22.060 Yeah. I would encourage, uh, folks, uh, to go to true, the vote, uh, it's true, the vote.com. Correct.

00:54:29.500 Catherine. Yes.

00:54:31.340 True.org. So sorry.

00:54:33.020 True.org.

00:54:34.060 And, and go there because it's, it's, it's a very interesting read, uh, to look at the things that,

00:54:42.700 uh, true, the vote, uh, Catherine's organization is doing, uh, calling for citizen involvement.

00:54:48.300 I would urge you to do so. Uh, and we will be making that recommendation over our social media,

00:54:55.260 uh, uh, here, uh, on the, uh, on the great America show as well. Uh, I, I, I want to turn

00:55:03.500 to another development, uh, and that is Michelle Obama has just made the announcement that, uh,

00:55:10.460 she will be raising a million new, uh, voters, uh, coming in, coming into the new election. 0.99

00:55:17.980 Uh, how, what's your reaction to that?

00:55:22.300 Well, um, look, I'm all for voter registration. That's, that's great. Every eligible American

00:55:28.540 citizen should have the opportunity to participate in a process that's free and fair, and they should

00:55:33.260 be registered and that's great. Um, however, uh, I, I would presume that she is also in full support

00:55:41.260 of the legislation that is trying to be passed. Uh, and I think it's going to be brought to debate

00:55:46.380 next week called the freedom to vote act. And there's a stipulation in that bill that would

00:55:53.580 make it such that all new voter registrations are automatically absentee ballots. Yep.

00:56:00.380 Yep. So you want to talk about a, a buffet line for ballot traffickers. There you go.

00:56:08.940 Isn't it a coincidence that she has just decided to register a million new voters 0.97

00:56:13.180 concurrently with the effort, uh, in the democratic house and the democratic Senate,

00:56:18.460 uh, there's another bill called the people's vote. I believe, uh, that is, uh, the, the sister

00:56:24.780 legislation or brother legislation, depending on what you prefer to call it. Uh,

00:56:30.860 it's just, it's amazing to me what the Democrats are trying to do. They are trying to federalize

00:56:36.460 elections in this country, ladies and gentlemen. Uh, it's not really federalized there because it is

00:56:43.340 the federal government at work here, but it would be a nationalization of our elections. It would

00:56:48.620 eliminate, uh, state, uh, state power and state rights, uh, and individual citizen rights as well.

00:56:57.420 And it's a, it's a concerted effort on the part of the radical Dems, the permanent bureaucracy,

00:57:03.020 the deep state, if you prefer what we're witnessing right now, as Catherine was saying,

00:57:08.140 we've got to be smarter. We've got to be engaged. It's a participatory democracy. 0.95

00:57:12.380 There's one problem. Uh, the Republicans aren't smart enough. They're leaders to deal with this.

00:57:19.340 You mentioned Catherine Mark Elias. Uh, I once suggested that the Republican party raise half

00:57:24.940 a billion dollars, uh, give it to him, uh, to work for them because there's no Mark Elias on the side

00:57:31.980 of the, uh, the, the Patriots, the conservatives, the independence, uh, to counter, uh, the,

00:57:38.860 the immense damage that he is doing and doing under the auspices of the law and the political

00:57:45.020 system we have. Uh, he's a, he's a brilliant lawyer. Uh, he is also, uh, uh, an evil force

00:57:50.940 as far as I'm concerned because he's on the wrong side. What do you think?

00:57:56.940 Well, yeah, I agree, but I also, I want to, to give, give hope to people that you have more power

00:58:07.500 than, you know, at the local level of your elections, your involvement will change things.

00:58:15.580 Observation changes things. Input changes things. Don't, don't just take it for granted

00:58:21.020 that what's going on in your backyard is one way or the next. Get involved, you know, call

00:58:28.300 and insert yourself into the process, figure it out. Um, because they, that's, that is the one

00:58:34.460 thing that these, that these politicos that are sort of architecting what I perceive to be an

00:58:40.380 engineered obsolescence of our process. They're going to suffocate it like a boa constrictor suffocates

00:58:46.860 its prey little by little tighter and tighter until there's nowhere to go. And we just say you win,

00:58:55.020 forget it. That's what we cannot do. And we are perilously close to that point, but we're not there.

00:59:01.100 We just have to get involved. Yeah. I, I think you're right about calling, uh, 2020, the, you know,

00:59:08.060 the, uh, the line in the sand, the red line. Um, but I, I, I've got to say, I would be very specific

00:59:16.540 on this. Find out who the hell your Republican delegates are to the, uh, national convention,

00:59:23.340 find out who your Republican national committee men and women are and make damn sure you're fixing

00:59:30.140 it. If they're rhinos and make damn sure you're fixing it. If they are just, uh, establishment, 0.78

00:59:35.260 uh, uh, you know, grape gatherers, uh, it's time to give this place, uh, a good, uh, shake by the

00:59:43.580 neck. We saw it in 2010 with the tea party. We can do it again, but this is a country right now that's

00:59:50.700 in desperate need of leadership and having a weak and enfeebled president of the white house doesn't

00:59:55.980 mean that he is incapable of evil because every initiative coming out of this white house in some

01:00:02.380 way, uh, shape or fashion is intended to weaken the nation, to weaken our values, to weaken, uh,

01:00:11.180 the sovereignty of this nation. And every citizen should be concerned. Uh, you're, uh, you know,

01:00:18.060 I, I have to commend you, uh, Catherine is, uh, for all of the work you've done over the years,

01:00:23.980 but this, um, this in, uh, Georgia, this work, uh, looks like it could really be the beginning of,

01:00:31.020 uh, of truth, uh, for the election of, uh, 2020. Uh, we typically give our guests the last word

01:00:39.100 and you are no exception. This is, uh, uh, you get the last word, Catherine.

01:00:43.420 Well, I thank you for this, for this opportunity and thank you to all who are listening. I know it

01:00:49.500 has been a very difficult season that we have been through, but at the, at the core of it all,

01:00:56.140 if the elections aren't truly fair, we are not truly free, hold that in your heart, get involved

01:01:02.700 locally and we can change things. Well said, Catherine, thank you so much for being with us.

01:01:09.580 Catherine Engelbrecht, uh, the president, the founder of true, the vote, uh, the, uh, the website

01:01:17.180 is true, the vote.org. Uh, we encourage you to go there and to participate and engage, uh, and prevail.

01:01:26.300 Uh, you know, thank you very much again, Catherine, for being with us, a great delight. I hope you'll

01:01:31.100 come back soon. Uh, this is just too important a topic, uh, not, uh, not to pay great attention to

01:01:37.980 for all of us. Uh, Catherine, thanks so much. And to each and every one of you,

01:01:42.620 thanks for being with us today and God bless you all. Join us again tomorrow for the great

01:01:48.540 America podcast. Stay in the fight. Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies,

01:01:55.020 against all odds.

The Great America Show - January 20, 2022

U.S. MAY APPEASE PUTIN; FAKE BALLOTS & VOTER ABUSE

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