The Great America Show - November 08, 2023


UNIVERSITY FACULTIES ARE MARXIST RADICALS


Episode Stats

Length

37 minutes

Words per Minute

143.56316

Word Count

5,316

Sentence Count

328

Hate Speech Sentences

26


Summary

Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson is a witness to the ugliness of hate on our campuses. He has spoken out loudly on campus and courageously against hate. And now he s been threatened with the murder of a fellow Jew.


Transcript

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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to The Great America Show. Thank you for being
00:01:26.560 with us. The big news of the day is the vast corrupt conspiracy between the Biden regime
00:01:32.420 and the deep state collaborating with private institutions to censor the free speech rights
00:01:38.440 of American citizens. The Cyber Infrastructure and Security Agency, CISA, is apparently behind
00:01:46.020 this vast conspiracy, most assuredly at the direction of the Biden White House. Judiciary
00:01:52.260 and Weaponization Chairman Jim Jordan says the DHS, disinformation experts at universities,
00:01:59.020 big tech and others work through a consortium, the Election Integrity Partnership. Remember that name,
00:02:06.720 the Election Integrity Partnership. It's exactly the opposite of what the name would imply.
00:02:12.860 To monitor and to censor American speech, particularly conservative Americans' free speech,
00:02:19.320 Chairman Jordan calls it the bombshell report on the censorship industrial complex.
00:02:25.680 And for more about this important story, go to x.com at GOP Oversight or at Judiciary GOP.
00:02:35.420 Your federal government weaponized against all of us, but especially you and me.
00:02:41.020 The Israel-Hamas war is raging, of course, still in Gaza. And anti-Israel, anti-Semitic protests have
00:02:49.340 broken out around the world. Especially alarming to me have been the demonstrations in the nation's
00:02:55.120 capital, in big cities across the country, and of course, the anti-Semitic protests on campuses of
00:03:02.400 colleges and universities in particular. It is particularly sickening. But given the Marxist
00:03:08.860 influence and indoctrination of our students over the past few decades, none of us should be
00:03:13.960 surprised. American academia has become a fortress. A fortress to protect Marxist thought,
00:03:20.960 to protect Marxist ideology, and orthodoxy from all values American. American history,
00:03:28.320 our American heritage, and our American national values. Instead, our colleges are bastions of
00:03:36.200 ignorance and hate. A recent Daily Mail poll shows Americans now, by a huge margin, believe that
00:03:43.320 our top universities are not doing enough to crack down on anti-Semitism and support for Hamas
00:03:51.160 terrorists. Imagine that. Our students supporting terrorism. Our guest today is Cornell Law Professor
00:03:59.440 William Jacobson. He is a witness to the ugliness of hate on our campuses. Cornell is one of many
00:04:06.120 universities racked by threats, protests, and unrest, anti-Semitic, anti-Israel, and pro-Palestinian
00:04:13.820 and Hamas. And Professor Jacobson has spoken out loudly on campus and courageously against hate,
00:04:20.480 against anti-Semitism. And Professor, I want to say welcome to The Great America Show. It's great to
00:04:26.340 have you with us, and I have to say how proud I am of you and how much I respect your courage.
00:04:32.320 You've written on the issue. You've been speaking out strongly about the surge of anti-Semitism on
00:04:37.440 the country's universities and college campuses. I think the university, Cornell University, is very
00:04:43.620 lucky to have you there speaking out, and if you will, being a conscience of the university. I commend
00:04:49.840 you for that, and I don't want you blushing too much. You've watched the students at Cornell
00:04:54.860 actually threaten Jewish students' protest in favor and support of anti-Semitic faculty members,
00:05:01.440 and now there's been one particular student who threatened to slit the throats of his fellow
00:05:07.060 Jewish students. I have to say, too, that the university's leaders were hardly quick to condemn
00:05:13.400 anti-Semitism, in my opinion, and to condemn pro-Palestinian demonstrations.
00:05:18.640 Your thoughts on what is happening now on too many of our college and university campuses?
00:05:25.280 Well, yes, it's pretty shocking to everybody. I think kind of stepping back to October 7th,
00:05:31.720 October 7th was when Hamas invaded southern Israel, butchered 1,400 people, you know, sexually
00:05:40.180 mutilated them, tortured them, kidnapped babies and toddlers and took them to Gaza. So that's kind of
00:05:48.980 the backdrop. You would think there would be universal condemnation of that. Forget where you are on the
00:05:55.240 Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That sort of thing is really ISIS-like. Frankly, it's Nazi-like. That sort of
00:06:02.920 torture and humiliation of people. But on our campus, believe it or not, there were students
00:06:09.920 who were advocating it. They weren't necessarily advocating the torture by name, but they were
00:06:15.360 happy about the invasion. They felt Israel had it coming to them. And so you had this conflict
00:06:20.980 developing on campus with the majority of people expressing, you know, horror at this and holding
00:06:28.080 vigils about it. But you also had student groups on campus who were, you know, we need to liberate
00:06:34.780 Israel by any means necessary. That's the phrase of the day, by any means necessary, from the river to
00:06:41.640 the sea, which means you exterminate the Jewish people in Israel. And so that was the tension on
00:06:47.560 campus. And it was just ratcheted up through the roof when one particular professor on campus,
00:06:55.400 somebody who's probably the most prominent anti-Israel professor on campus. His name's out
00:07:01.000 there, Russell Rickford, so it's not like I'm disclosing something. In a rally, an anti-Israel rally
00:07:08.760 in face of all this in downtown Ithaca, attended by a lot of students, a fairly large rally,
00:07:14.840 gave a roaring speech against Israel, a roaring speech celebrating the attack. And the words that
00:07:24.680 became infamous on TV and the internet were that he felt exhilarated when he heard about it.
00:07:31.400 And that word exhilarated, he's now trying to explain away, well, it really wasn't exhilarated
00:07:37.360 about the torture and the kidnapping. It was more the invasion. But everybody in the crowd knew what
00:07:43.040 he meant, because as soon as he said that, they broke into a chant of, from the river to the sea,
00:07:48.760 Palestine will be free. That put Cornell on the map. That went everywhere. And that's the tension
00:07:56.280 that continued on campus. There were graffiti, anti-Israel graffiti spray painted around campus.
00:08:05.480 But the most recent was this weekend on a chat board. Now, I don't frequent chat boards,
00:08:11.020 but apparently it's a thing that students do. And somebody, they didn't know who it was at the time,
00:08:19.100 repeated a lot of that verbiage. And also, as you indicated, threatened to slit the throats of Jewish
00:08:25.660 students. So it was all directed to Jewish students, threatened to take some sort of revenge on the
00:08:31.260 kosher dining hall, and repeated a lot of that verbiage that you heard at the pro, the anti-Israel
00:08:38.380 rallies and from that professor about, you know, by any means necessary, called the Jewish students
00:08:44.620 who lived at the building next to the dining hall, the kosher dining hall, settlers, that we need to
00:08:51.740 cleanse the campus of these settlers. So it was very, very ugly. Maybe the worst that's happened
00:08:58.700 anywhere. I shouldn't say the worst, but clearly really bad. And it exposed an extremely dark underside
00:09:07.500 of the campus culture at Cornell. It turned out that that person posting the threats was just
00:09:13.740 was arrested and has been announced by the U.S. Attorney's Office. He's a junior at Cornell. He's
00:09:19.180 a student on campus. And I think the question that we need to answer, and the school does,
00:09:24.780 and I'm happy to talk about it, is how does a student like that, based on his LinkedIn profile,
00:09:30.460 you know, top grades in high school, basically a math genius, science genius, works for all sorts
00:09:37.740 of clubs. How does somebody like that get so radicalized when they come to Cornell that they're
00:09:43.980 making threats to slit the throats of Jewish students on campus? And so Cornell's got a very,
00:09:50.220 very deep problem that was brought to the surface. The Hamas attack didn't create the problem,
00:09:55.900 but it brought it to the surface. Well, it's to me stunning, this junior. Do you know much about
00:10:03.660 him? Do you know, is he an international student? Is he a... No, he is a student of Asian descent from
00:10:10.940 upstate New York, Pittsburgh, New York, I think was what he was listed as. And so as far as I know,
00:10:18.140 I've asked around, nobody seemed to know him. So it's not like he was a prominent activist on campus.
00:10:24.860 Maybe more information will come out, but from what I am gathering, he did have mental illness
00:10:30.940 problems. You know, a lot of people do who end up shooting up places, okay? So, but why did he turn
00:10:38.940 that mental illness towards Jews? And I think it's the campus culture. That's an interesting thought,
00:10:45.660 and that culture seems to be well established. I frankly am surprised that the president of the
00:10:52.220 university who spoke to this in response, in large measure, I'm sure, because of your essay on the
00:11:00.700 issue, it doesn't sound to me like he's been particularly active, as he suggested. I'm not
00:11:09.340 in any way judging on this. I basically am looking at the surface of the matter. But it doesn't seem to
00:11:15.900 me that the university has taken a very aggressive approach to either human rights or hate and bigotry
00:11:26.620 on the campus. It's a bizarre sort of aspect as you look at the context of where this student came
00:11:34.460 from and what happened on the campus.
00:11:37.180 Yeah, she doesn't get it. The president, I don't think, gets it. I don't think the senior
00:11:41.980 administration gets it. I think they are putting band-aids on things. They don't realize that they
00:11:49.260 have contributed dramatically to the problem on campus. Now, certainly, I'm not accusing the
00:11:54.620 administration of being anti-Semitic at all, but I'm saying they have forced onto the campus. They
00:12:00.700 have racialized the campus. They have forced onto the campus three years ago after George Floyd died
00:12:07.340 a quote-unquote anti-racism agenda, diversity, equity, and inclusion. The race is now the hyper focus
00:12:16.060 of almost everything that happens on campus. Students are forced to view themselves through
00:12:21.900 a racial lens. And when you do that, you start to see, and we've seen it on Cornell even before that
00:12:27.900 initiative, but worse since, students start to separate themselves by race. They start to separate
00:12:33.580 themselves by ethnic identities and they form coalitions, and this is how they describe it,
00:12:39.340 coalitions of students of color against Israel. So they form, they turn what is a religious
00:12:45.660 dispute between Jews and Muslims in Israel, a national dispute between Jews and Arabs in Israel,
00:12:54.460 and they turn it into a racial issue, which it's not. And that's what the President and the
00:13:00.380 senior administration has done. They've taken a religious dispute and turned it into a racial dispute,
00:13:06.220 and now you see people on campus talking about, you know, the white Israelis, the white settler
00:13:13.340 colonial nation. And so that has taken things to a very, and that leaves Jewish students, almost all
00:13:19.980 of whom support Israel, really in a difficult position because they're forced to either reject
00:13:26.060 part of their Jewish identity or agree with people who demonize Israel in the extreme. So they, the
00:13:32.860 administration has worsened the problem. They probably don't even realize it. I've been speaking out
00:13:39.100 against this for several years, really, you know, shouting into the darkness at Cornell. I think
00:13:45.020 there are a lot of people who agree with me, but they're all afraid to speak out.
00:13:49.660 So many people are afraid to discuss race, bigotry, the honest view of what is happening in this
00:13:57.180 country. And amongst those views, obviously, is what is Marxist radicalism that is now visited upon nearly
00:14:05.260 every campus, college and university campus in this country in one form or another, some negligible
00:14:13.180 and others overwhelming in their power over the university. We're talking with Professor William
00:14:20.700 Jacobson. We're talking about anti-Semitism. We're talking about what in the world is going on on our
00:14:27.980 university campuses in this country. And how is it related to the body politic and the
00:14:35.660 confrontation between two ideologies right now in this country? We'll be right back. Stay with us.
00:14:49.100 We're back. We're talking with Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson. Professor, it's great of you to be
00:14:55.180 here. And thanks for doing so. This is a critically important issue because it's manifesting itself.
00:15:01.340 As I said, it's showing up everywhere on college campuses in the country. And you brought up the
00:15:09.020 issue of the safety of these students. I can't imagine being in one of the most elite universities
00:15:16.940 in this country and having to worry about physical safety of students from other students. That is
00:15:26.380 just mind-boggling. And the anti-Semitism that's being voiced and acted upon is deeply troubling,
00:15:36.540 I think, to every American, every American who's concerned about this country. It's not just about,
00:15:43.420 quote-unquote, a hate crime. It's specificity and it's venomous nature, destructive nature,
00:15:54.140 is what gives pause, I think, to nearly everyone who would certainly not expect this to happen
00:15:59.740 anywhere and on any campus in this country, let alone one of our most elite universities.
00:16:05.580 That's true. But that's where we are on particularly elite schools. The faculty at most elite schools,
00:16:12.860 at least in the humanities, to a lesser extent the social sciences, is completely radicalized.
00:16:18.460 They view activism as their profession. And they say that openly. So they agitate against Israel.
00:16:27.100 You know, there's something called the International Holocaust Remembrance Association working definition
00:16:33.820 of anti-Semitism. Because the people on campus, oh, we're not anti-Semitic, we're not against Jews,
00:16:38.540 we're just against Israel. And what that working definition says is that criticizing Israel like you
00:16:46.220 would any other country is not anti-Semitic. I mean, they're entitled to be criticized just like our
00:16:51.820 government is entitled to be criticized. But when you go to such extremes, when you make Israel essentially
00:16:59.820 the the universal pariah in the world, much like Jews historically were made the universal pariah,
00:17:08.620 when you go that far to that extreme, and you treat Israel differently than you would treat other
00:17:16.300 countries, that is anti-Semitic. And that's what I think you're seeing playing out on college campuses,
00:17:22.620 is that for at least 10 years, probably more like 20 years, you have seen the gross demonization and
00:17:32.540 dehumanization of Israelis. That's, you know, no, there's no two sides to things. There's no
00:17:39.580 acknowledgement of the Jewish history in the land of Israel. There's no acknowledgement that the people
00:17:44.780 who now identify as Palestinian actually are the descendants of the conquerors of the Muslim conquest
00:17:51.580 of the West of the area. They're not indigenous to there. If you the all the archaeological digs show
00:17:57.180 that Jews were there long before that, there's been a continuous presence. There's none of that is
00:18:01.740 discussed. Nothing is discussed how in 1947, the UN proposed a partition of the land, the Jews accepted
00:18:09.340 it, the Arabs did not. There's no discussion of how the people who now identify as Palestinian didn't do
00:18:16.940 so really until the 1960s. And they didn't claim the West Bank in Gaza as their homeland until after 1967.
00:18:25.420 You know, people don't learn this. The Palestinian National Covenant from 1964, before Israel captured
00:18:33.420 the West Bank in Gaza, disclaimed any claim by the Palestinian people to those areas. So when the West
00:18:42.140 bank was occupied by Jordan, nobody said make that a homeland for the Palestinians. It was only when the
00:18:49.100 Jewish state captured it in response to Jordan attacking. So nobody learns this. It's never taught.
00:18:55.260 All they are taught at campuses like Cornell is evil white colonial Israel versus victim oppressed
00:19:04.940 non-white Palestinians. And that's where this whole racial narrative feeds in. So that's how we get here,
00:19:11.900 is that the faculty is radicalized, at least in the humanities, and they don't teach both sides.
00:19:17.980 They don't teach balance. All they do is agitate against Israel. And you get to this place in time
00:19:23.900 when that's been going on for a decade. And that radicalization, that indoctrination is coming from,
00:19:30.860 frankly, Marxist pro-dem professors who are there for a very specific purpose. They are radicalized.
00:19:41.260 They mean to fundamentally transform this country, and they're doing so. You talk about the history
00:19:47.500 of Israel and the region, the Middle East. You're lucky to get a decent education in American history
00:19:57.100 in this country right now at K-12. All of the group and identity politics driving 1877 as the starting
00:20:08.300 year for American history, that is, Reconstruction, through to the present, and leaving out huge swaths
00:20:15.500 of foundational knowledge about who we are, where we came from, our heritage, and our history,
00:20:21.500 our values. And then you take it to, and the law schools themselves are now being swept up with
00:20:30.700 Marxist ideology by the dozens, where there are strong influences now on the faculties of law schools.
00:20:39.340 Am I correct?
00:20:40.940 Yeah, you are. I mean, it goes under the rubric of critical race theory, which is a critical theory
00:20:46.620 which seeks to deconstruct our country, seeks to demonize our country, views everything through a
00:20:52.620 racial lens, that all of our systems, there is no truth, there's just, you know, systems of power,
00:20:59.020 that, you know, all of the protections for the individual that we have protected in our Bill of
00:21:05.180 Rights, and protected in many other ways, are just ways of keeping, you know, racial power. That's how
00:21:13.020 they view it. And so, yeah, it's a very negative. Not all professors subscribe to this by any means,
00:21:19.660 but it is the ideological fad that has overtaken academia, particularly law school academia, and
00:21:27.980 there's no pushback, because for 20 years they only hire their own. For 30 years they only hire their own.
00:21:34.780 So you get to a point where, you know, faculties at most universities look nothing ideologically
00:21:43.580 like America. And in law schools, I think it's probably even worse that you can't be hired unless
00:21:50.540 you have proven your commitment to diversity, equity, and inclusion. Very hard. I won't say it's
00:21:55.820 impossible, but that's what they're looking for. They're looking for people who not only share their
00:22:00.940 beliefs about these racial hierarchies and systemic racism, they're also looking for people who are
00:22:07.420 activists, who have acted on it. And, you know, up until recently, Cornell required for new hires,
00:22:13.820 diversity, equity, and inclusion statements. Now it's voluntary, but everybody knows they still want it.
00:22:19.020 And what you needed to do, it's right on Cornell's website, how they evaluate those DEI statements.
00:22:24.460 They evaluate them based not only that you say you are committed to it, but what have you done in
00:22:30.060 your career to advance DEI. And therefore everybody knows you need to not only say the things, you also
00:22:39.980 need to tailor your profession to it. So who actually ends up getting hired? It's people who think like
00:22:46.220 them because there's no way you can be hired if you disagree. Very difficult. And so it's really been
00:22:52.220 a corrupting factor. And, you know, a lot of people think I was alarmist when for years I've been saying
00:22:58.060 this, but now we're seeing it. Now we're seeing it. And I think at every level of our society, we need to
00:23:05.020 think about, you know, how can we protect society from what has happened in academia? Because so many of
00:23:13.100 the crazy things that are now, you know, corrupting corporations, HR departments and corporations
00:23:20.460 started on campus. All of this stuff, you know, people used to say, oh, those are just a few crazy
00:23:26.060 professors. We don't need to worry about them. Well, yeah, now you do because they've created two
00:23:32.300 generations of students who've been indoctrinated to believe this is the right approach.
00:23:37.420 You know, I was talking on this podcast with Mike Gonzalez from the Heritage Foundation,
00:23:44.380 and I asked him a question. How in the world is it that we have seen this mad Marxist ideology
00:23:52.620 subsume corporate America? I can't find an explanation for it. And Mike said that he is a scholar and
00:24:01.100 an absolute expert on all of us. He studied it for years. He said, I don't, I can't explain it,
00:24:09.500 because it is fundamentally anti-capitalist. It is fundamentally anti-profit, the Marxist ideology.
00:24:17.100 And yet here they are signing up, signing on and moving out, just like any one of the radicalized
00:24:25.820 professors on a college campus. Yeah, I mean, the left understood something the rest of us didn't.
00:24:32.780 If you want to change the society, you do do it through the education system. It is no mistake
00:24:39.500 that Bill Ayers, Obama's mentor, the former Weather Underground guy who got away with his crimes on a
00:24:46.860 legal technicality. Where did, what did he make his career? Education. So they understood,
00:24:52.540 take over education, get your kids to listen to them, and what you think doesn't matter.
00:24:58.700 Unfortunately, that's the absolute truth. We're talking with William Jacobson, who is a man speaking
00:25:05.180 truth at Cornell at a time when the institution desperately needs his voice and many more like
00:25:12.700 his. We'll be right back with Cornell Law Professor William Jacobson. Stay with us.
00:25:23.420 We're back with Cornell University Law Professor William Jacobson. We're talking about one of the
00:25:29.420 most serious, if not the most serious issues right now on college campuses around the country,
00:25:35.580 and that is the anti-Semitism that's being exhibited by students, by professors, the faculty,
00:25:43.020 and the institutions themselves. Perhaps not consciously, but certainly subconsciously.
00:25:51.500 But we'll see in time what the response is by these institutions to what is
00:25:57.740 a hateful environment right now in just too many of our colleges and universities.
00:26:03.180 Professor, I want to turn to a couple of things that are happening with lawfare in this country.
00:26:09.260 Project 65, the attempts to bankrupt lawyers attempting to bankrupt fellow lawyers who,
00:26:17.260 by the way, are different only in which side they're on. Are they left or are they right?
00:26:22.140 But it's become a vicious, and I think probably one of the most dangerous moments we've seen in this
00:26:31.980 country when law professors take sides and literally try to kill the other lawyers,
00:26:39.020 financially, socially, professionally. Your thoughts?
00:26:43.340 Yeah, well, this is something another corrupting influence. I mean, one of the things I've written
00:26:49.980 a lot about and spoken a lot about is the hollowing out of our institutions in this country and the
00:26:55.260 politicization of those institutions. I'm so old, I remember when being a lawyer who is willing to take
00:27:01.900 an unpopular cause and being a lawyer who is willing to take an unpopular cause and advance novel legal
00:27:10.940 theories such as segregation is unconstitutional. That was a novel legal theory at the time it was
00:27:17.820 advanced before Brown versus Board of Education. You take that now and you have lawyers who
00:27:25.900 are advancing legal theories which, at least that I've seen, are not outlandish. They may be wrong,
00:27:31.500 the judges may not agree with them, but you know what? For decades and decades, judges disagreed with
00:27:38.060 desegregation. And so what you've done is any lawyer on the right who wants to take an unpopular client
00:27:47.260 is going to see his business come under attack. He's going to see now through Project 65 his bar
00:27:52.780 membership under attack, his career come under attack or her career under attack. And you can see
00:27:58.700 this developing. I mean, one of the instances I remember is the law firm of King & Spalding. So there was
00:28:05.980 something which most of your listeners may remember, but certainly 20-somethings don't remember,
00:28:11.340 called the Defense of Marriage Act. And the Defense of Marriage Act was congressional legislation that
00:28:17.020 essentially said no state can be forced to recognize a same-sex marriage if that marriage was not legal in
00:28:24.780 the state itself. And that was controversial. Fine, it's controversial. The Department of Justice,
00:28:30.860 there was litigation challenging it. The Department of Justice was defending it because the Congress has
00:28:37.420 no law firm, no in-house law firm. So the Department of Justice traditionally defends legislation.
00:28:44.460 Obama administration defended it for a year or two and then one day announced,
00:28:48.380 we are no longer going to defend it, the Department of Justice. Congress, you've got to go out and get your
00:28:53.900 own lawyers. I don't know if it's unprecedented, but almost unprecedented. Congress went out and they
00:29:00.140 hired a law firm. And they hired King & Spalding, based in Atlanta, but a big national firm. And there
00:29:07.580 was a very well-known conservative lawyer there. And what did people do? People started to attack
00:29:15.820 the lawyers, King & Spalding. Paul Clement was the lawyer. And they started to organize boycotts at
00:29:23.420 law schools that King & Spalding would not be allowed to interview at the law schools because of
00:29:30.620 who they were representing. They organized... Let me interject this, excuse me for interrupting,
00:29:35.340 but Paul Clement is recognized as, if not the, personally, I think the
00:29:40.860 the best known and best regarded, highest regarded Supreme Court attorney in the country. Do you
00:29:49.260 think that's a fair statement? Yeah, I think that is fair. I'd love to meet him one day. But yeah,
00:29:55.020 so what they did, they not only, so they started to boycott, they started attacking and protesting at
00:29:59.500 the law firm, but then they went a step further. They started saying, okay, law firm, we're now going
00:30:05.420 to start protesting outside your other clients. So clients who had nothing to do with this
00:30:10.460 representation. And Coca-Cola was and is King & Spalding's largest client. They started to protest
00:30:16.940 to Coca-Cola. And King & Spalding said, you know what, we can't take the pressure anymore.
00:30:22.620 We're going to drop the representation. Paul Clement left the firm and kept the representation
00:30:29.900 at a new firm he set up. But that's what has happened. The concept that lawyers are there to
00:30:35.420 advance novel claims to represent clients. Okay, the lawyer is not the client. The lawyer is the
00:30:42.220 lawyer. And so that has been thrown out. That has been completely thrown out. It's that was probably
00:30:48.700 10 years ago, maybe more than 10 years ago. And now you have groups like Project 65 saying,
00:30:54.540 aha, lawyer, you know, you advanced legal theories regarding the 2020 election that were rejected by
00:31:01.580 the courts. Now we're going to try to get you disbarred. That is not how it used to work. And
00:31:07.740 what they are doing is they are trying to instill such fear in any lawyer who would represent a
00:31:14.140 Republican that Republicans are going to have a lot of trouble even finding lawyers because you know
00:31:20.540 what's going to happen. You represent a Republican on an unpopular cause, your law firm is going to be
00:31:25.580 attacked. Your bar membership is going to be attacked. You represent an unpopular lawyer on the left
00:31:31.260 side. You're a hero. You're an upholder of civil rights. There we are in very dangerous times.
00:31:37.500 And people need to understand that all of many, if not close to all of the protections that preserve
00:31:44.060 our individual rights in this country are slowly but surely being ripped down by the by the left in this
00:31:51.020 country. Torn asunder. And to your point earlier, talking about the anti Semitism, which can be expressed as
00:32:01.260 a hate of Israel, condemnation of Israel, looking upon it, treating it, considering Israel differently
00:32:10.380 than you would any other any other nation in like circumstances. And I don't think anybody can really
00:32:16.140 appreciate. I know I can't what it is like to live, to be born Israeli to live as part of a community of
00:32:26.060 about 6 million, you can argue the numbers, but 6 million Jews living in the midst of what are
00:32:35.740 90 million Iranians surrounded by Palestinian terrorists in point of fact, withdrawing in 2005 from the Gaza
00:32:50.060 Strip, uprooting settlers and turning over the land so that you have an entire population of Hamas
00:32:59.100 and Palestinians who hate you to the gates of hell. And I just can't imagine what it's like to know that
00:33:08.940 your neighbors mean for you to die and for the country you live in to be wiped off the face of the earth.
00:33:16.140 Yeah, I mean, there's no positives to what Hamas did, but one thing that is eye-opening and should be eye-opening
00:33:25.420 is we know exactly now what they mean when they say free Palestine. We know exactly what they mean when they say
00:33:34.940 from the river to the sea. Hamas showed us what they mean and what they mean is mass murder, torture, rape, mutilation.
00:33:43.100 That's what Palestinian liberation now means if anybody had any doubt. That's not to say they
00:33:52.140 shouldn't have a nation someplace or they shouldn't divide the land somehow, but the concept that the
00:33:57.420 Jews of Israel, and I think you're more or less right on the number, I think it's 6 or 7 million
00:34:03.020 plus another million or two Arab Israelis who are citizens of Israel. I think that's ballpark, right?
00:34:09.820 But that the notion that 6 to 7 million Jews should live under the thumb of Hamas and similar Islamist
00:34:18.140 groups run by Iran and that somehow it's going to turn out any differently than it did in southern
00:34:25.340 Israel near the Gaza border with the butchery that took place. Anybody who's advocating that is advocating
00:34:31.980 genocide of the Jewish people in Israel. And we should be just clear about that. No more of this,
00:34:37.020 oh, I'm just against Israel. I'm not against Jews. Sorry. If what you want is liberation from the
00:34:42.300 river to the sea, you are pro-genocide and we need to be honest about that.
00:34:47.340 And I think honesty is something that we need. I'm a product of the 60s. I'm on the college campus
00:34:57.740 in the midst of civil rights and the Vietnam War and the sexual revolution and the world turned upside
00:35:05.660 down. But I don't remember a time, an instance in which there was hate. There was absolutely concerted
00:35:15.820 arguments and fierce and passionate arguments over all of it. But with open minds, because we were,
00:35:23.980 after all, still debating whether it be in the mess halls or the common rooms or whatever it might be
00:35:32.620 on campus, there were big, big talks and big, big debates, bringing in the best of people to talk to
00:35:40.540 young people who really need to understand what is truth. I don't see that happening. I don't hear
00:35:48.060 about it happening in universities right now, taking up these big issues with strong, knowledgeable,
00:35:54.300 bright advocates for either side and really coming to terms with what the reality is.
00:36:01.900 By the way, I don't hear that happening with the other issues in our society that are so critically
00:36:06.300 important, whether it's gender identification and transfer transgender issues, whether it is
00:36:15.660 what the future will look like in terms of our economy, which way will we go, and what is the right
00:36:24.060 thing for this country to do. So I just want to salute you for speaking out and speaking truth and
00:36:32.460 speaking virtue. Thank you. Thank you for having me on. Thanks, everybody, for being here today. Our
00:36:40.700 guest on The Great America Show, Congressman Eli Crane, Arthur Seamus Bruner, Congressman Tom
00:36:47.260 Tiffany, Senator Ted Cruz, and Abe Hamaday. Please be with us through the week. Please join us each and
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00:36:59.980 and may God bless America.