VOTES WON’T COUNT IF ’24 ELECTION IS RIGGED
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Inflation has surged to levels unseen in 40 years. 8 states have pulled out of the controversial voter data agency called ERIC, and a new system is being implemented in Alabama to ensure the integrity of the voting system. The Israel-Hamas war is two weeks long, Israel hasn t invaded Gaza, hasn t eliminated Hamas, and pro-Palestinian protests in the United States are shockingly numerous. And many universities are even supportive of Hamas and their massacre of Israelis while ignoring Iran's role in it all.
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Hello, everybody. This is the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the show. Great to have
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you with us. The Israel-Hamas war is two weeks long. Israel hasn't invaded Gaza, hasn't eliminated Hamas
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and hasn't yet tried. And pro-Palestinian protests in the United States are shockingly numerous.
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And many universities are even supportive of Hamas and their massacre of Israelis while ignoring Iran's
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role in it all. Iran inciting and sponsoring Hamas as they do Hezbollah in Lebanon. In Washington, the
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Speaker of the House election has taken an ugly twist, the Republicans taking a secret vote after the third
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round of voting from the floor. And sources I trust tell me Congressman Jordan got only 86 votes.
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And after only three rounds of voting, Jordan's bid was over. This has the swamp stench all over it,
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doesn't it? And Senator Mitch McConnell, who, by the way, is as impaired as President Biden,
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I'm a populist conservative, an America First conservative, and I'm disgusted with what the
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Republican seems to have become. So is it an accident that still there's been no comprehensive
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investigation of the rigged election of 2020 and 2022 as well? All of these events are absolutely
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orchestrated in my view. Individual states, though, are working to make sure their elections are secure
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and honest, and eight states have now withdrawn from the controversial voter data organization
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called ERIC. That stands for the Election Registration Information Center. ERIC also states
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its mission is to, get ready for this, reach out to unregistered voters as well to get out the vote.
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Now, that may sound benign, but it likely isn't. The problem is there's no transparency in what ERIC is
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doing, and among a number of states, election officials fear that get out the vote campaigns
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are decidedly for Democrat candidates. That's why Republican states are pulling out, and more
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are likely to do so. One of the states that pulled out of ERIC is Alabama, and joining us is the Secretary
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of State of Alabama, Wes Allen. Wes withdrew the state from ERIC and has a new system to assure
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clean voter rolls. Wes, it's great to have you with us, and thanks for doing all that you're doing.
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Let's start with your changes to the election system to make Alabama one of the most secure
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voting systems in the country. Well, Lou, thank you so much. I appreciate you for allowing me
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a little time on your great podcast, so I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know, it was, I think there
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were some folks that were surprised that when a guy campaigns for office and a person makes promises
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about what they're going to do when they get into office, I think there were some folks that were
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kind of surprised that we lived up to what we said we were going to do, and, you know, we're very proud
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of what we've been able to accomplish over the last eight or nine months here while we've been in
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office since January the 16th, and when I raised my right hand and took the oath of office,
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we have worked extremely hard. We put a great team into place, and I like to call them first-round
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draft picks, and we've been working so incredibly hard since January the 16th. Not only did we
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withdraw Alabama from Eric, but we decided that we were going to come up with an Alabama-based
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solution to take care of our voter file maintenance and to make sure that we had the cleanest and most
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accurate voter rolls that we've ever had, but also in the country, and we believe that the Alabama
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voter integrity database, and what we've been working on since January the 16th is that solution.
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We're so incredibly proud of it, and it's a four-prong system, Lou, and the first prong,
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and what we have is an agreement with the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency. Our ALEA is what it's called,
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and they're our driver's license. They issue driver's licenses and non-driver IDs, but let's just say that
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John Doe moves from Alabama to another state, and they get a driver's license in that other state.
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Well, that other state will alert Alabama, ALEA, that John Doe has received a driver's license in that
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new state, and so we get that data from ALEA, from the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency,
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and we start working that data to send a postcard to that person, to John Doe, and say, hey,
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have you moved? We understand you've got a driver's license in another state, so we were working that,
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and since we have implemented AVID and working with ALEA over the last couple of months, we've
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already identified over 8,500 individuals from Alabama that have moved out of state and attained a
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driver's license in another state. Now, does that mean that they were taken off the rolls?
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No, sir. It does not. Not at the moment. We have to adhere to the National Voter Registration Act
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of 1993. That requires, you can't remove anybody off of a list for four years unless they've passed away.
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So it takes four years. So it gives the voter an opportunity, you know, and of course we sent out
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postcards to these individuals saying, hey, we've got some information that you may have moved,
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got a driver's license. Will you either update or verify that you have moved or haven't moved?
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It gives them an opportunity in case there has been a mistake to verify that move.
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So that's prong one. Prong two is the national change of address file that's kept by the United
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States Postal Service. And so when someone moves out of state...
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This doesn't sound promising, Wes. You're going to rely, you know, one part of this you have to rely
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Well, let me tell you what we've done and tell you the stats that we've had and been able to
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get our hands on. But let's just say that John Doe moves from the state of Alabama.
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Well, what that postal service allows you to do is to say, hey, would you please forward my Alabama
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mail that's coming to my Alabama address to my new address out of state? Well, we've already
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identified over 30,000 individuals that have alerted the postal service that they want their
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Alabama mail forwarded to their new address out of state. And so we're working that data as we speak
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now to verify all of that information. And so we're very, very excited about that information as
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well. The third prong is our state partnerships. For the first time in Alabama's history, we have all
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four of our border states that we're going to share data with on a bilateral agreement. We've got
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memorandums of understanding signed with Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi.
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And we've also signed and executed a bilateral agreement to share voter file maintenance,
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voter file data with Arkansas. And we're working with a couple of other states now to secure
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their agreements as well. But we've already started the data exchange with Tennessee.
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And we've identified over 8,000 individuals that are registered in Tennessee that are also
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registered in Alabama. So we are working that data as well. And, you know, one thing that I would
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like to highlight is that Tennessee and Mississippi were never a part of ERIC. And so we've never exchanged
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voter file data with our two border states, Mississippi and Tennessee. And so we're very excited
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about those agreements. And man, it's, it's already yielded some things that we are, we're working
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out, certainly is. And in the last, yeah, before you go on, let me just keep this clear. And it's,
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and it's, it's really, to me, fascinating. Because to think that there's a national, a federal law
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that you can't take somebody off the voter rolls for four years. I mean, that's insane. I mean,
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and defeats the whole purpose of everything you're doing, in some ways, if you can't take them off
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for four years, and they move out of state, it's just, how do you get a, how does that work?
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Yeah. So let me, let me just give you an example. So if John Doe moves out of state,
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they get a driver's license. And for whatever reason, they don't contact us, we can't get in
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contact with them, but we've sent those postcards. Their file is, their, their voter file, their data
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is moved to an inactive status. So if someone's from South Alabama moves to Mississippi or Louisiana
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to go work, they receive a driver's license over there. But for whatever reason, they move
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back before the election, if they walk into the precinct and they say, hey, I'm John Doe,
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I'm here, I'm here to vote. Well, the precinct voter file there at the precinct has them on an
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inactive status. So they've got to update their voter file information. And so once they do that,
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they'll be allowed to vote. But it does take a while. And four years is a long time. But we are
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working very, very diligently on all the information that we've garnered thus far. And
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we're excited about, you know, sharing the data with our other border states and working
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those individual states' data as well. Yes, sir.
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We're talking with Alabama's Secretary of State, Wes Allen, about their new ability to control
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their voter rolls, to keep them clean, and to make sure there's no fraud. We're talking about
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integrity of the electoral system with Wes Allen. And we're coming right back with more. Stay with us.
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We're back now. We're talking with the Secretary of State of the great state of Alabama, Wes Allen.
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And Wes, we were at, we're sort of at the fourth level here. And give us the fourth prong,
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if you will, of that four prong attack. Yes, sir. It is our agreement with the, to have the Social
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Security Death Index. It's kept by the Social Security Administration. And so if an Alabama
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resident travels out of state, and for whatever reason, they pass away in another state, one of
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the 49 other states, we'll get that information that they passed away previously. Or for instance,
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I'll just give you an example. If someone in Alabama lives over in East Alabama, if they travel to
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Georgia, and they have surgery in Georgia, they pass away, for instance, that's Georgia's data. That's
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not Alabama's data. And the Alabama Department of Public Health, which keeps data on those that pass
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away in state, we already get that information. And so we now have access to the information out of
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state. And we're excited about that. We've been accredited. We've been allowed to be able to get
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this, get access to this. And we're just waiting on that data to come from the federal government.
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Well, you know, that's interesting. And it sounds like a very smart plan. And you call it
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and it's, it's light years ahead of what was called Eric, which was supposed to be a fancy
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process that turned out to be really just another way to corrupt the, the voting roles and the voting
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around the country. Eric is, is an awful construction. But I want to ask you, that's in
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your history. That's in your rear view mirror in Alabama. And that's good for you. Yes, sir.
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How many states are still in that? I, the last thing I saw, seven states have withdrawn. They're
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originally, I think, 31. Have you got a sense of that?
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I think we're, I think they have 23 to 24, Lou. I'm not sure on the, on their number,
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but, but yeah, we, Louisiana, I think was first to suspend and to withdraw. And then we followed
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them right after that. And then of course, there was a, there was a, several other states that
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followed, followed. And, you know, we, we, again, it's a testament to our team and how hard
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they've worked since January the 16th when, when we were sworn in. And, uh, we're just
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continuing to work and preparations, uh, preparation for the, our March 5th presidential
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primary in 2024. Of course, this is, it'll be a big year. It's presidential election year. So,
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uh, our team is already making preparations from the March 5th primary.
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Yeah. We got, we've got a big and important, uh, critically important, uh, year of campaigns
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and elections coming up, don't we? I want to, I want to get a sense too, uh, is population of
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It is. We're, we're seeing an influx of people from around the country come in, uh, to Alabama,
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um, everywhere really. But, you know, there's been extreme, uh, big growth in the Madison County,
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which is Huntsville area. And also the Baldwin County, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach area,
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but really the state of Alabama is growing and, uh, we, we are experiencing growth all over our
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state. We've got about 3.7 million voters, give or take a few. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it's, um, Alabama
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is experiencing some growth because, you know, we're, we're a deep red state. Uh, we believe in faith
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and, uh, freedom and liberty. And, uh, you know, we, we govern that way in our state. We're very,
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very proud of the accomplishments that we've had. Well, and you ought to be, I just, just out of, uh,
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curious. I remember at Huntsville, I've been, uh, there to the, uh, uh, the rocket, uh, base and, uh,
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a few other facilities. Uh, there's a lot of government activity, uh, there, right?
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Oh, absolutely. It is the redstone arsenal. You got NASA. I mean, you got all kinds of tech
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companies that are, they're coming in up there. And, um, so it's, it's, uh, it's a lot of engineers,
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a lot of smart, a lot of smart folks that are in, that are in Huntsville and, uh, and,
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and, and man, it is, it just had such extreme growth, uh, over the last 10 years or so. And
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it's just exploding and they got great leadership at the local level. And, uh, that's what it's
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all about. We've got that local leadership and, uh, we're very, very proud of what they're
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being able to accomplish in Huntsville. Well, as a matter of fact, the whole country is
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proud of what has happened in Alabama. Uh, so as we look at 2024, we have seen various
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challenges to president Trump, uh, being even on the ballot and a lot of places, I can't
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even imagine somebody would whisper that idea, uh, in the red state of Alabama. Uh, what has
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Yeah, we've gotten a few folks that, you know, want to kind of talk all that, but, but man,
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we're not going there. I mean, I mean, come on. I mean, for real. I mean, we fully expect
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Trump to be on the ballot here in Alabama. No doubt about it. I think I saw some, um, headline
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about the Supreme court shot it down or there was some course that shot that shot it down.
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So I mean, come on. Yeah. That didn't keep a few states from still trying even after the
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Supreme court had ruled, but that's the nature of, uh, the Biden administration. It is, uh,
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it's more totalitarian than it is in any way democratic or, uh, or representative. I mean,
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it's astounding, uh, you pass, uh, you know, legislation against affirmative action and the chief
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justice, the Supreme court is handing out instructions on how to get around, around the ruling of the
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Supreme court. I mean, we live in la la land right down this country. I don't care whether it's the
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Supreme court or whether it is the, the, uh, uh, president of the United States who's, uh, impaired
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just slightly and, uh, and it appears slightly corrupt and, and just a little, maybe, uh, difficult to,
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it's difficult for him to find his way around, but we still have him as our president and commander
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in chief. So Wes, let me ask you this, uh, Alabama is lucky to have you as secretary of state. Uh,
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you're, uh, you have improved and, and, uh, and securitized the electoral system there. Uh, and,
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but the rest of the states, it's, it's very uneven and nationally, the Republican national committee,
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I can't see anything they're doing whatsoever. They passed a resolution about wanting to have, uh,
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a secure election, but I haven't seen them do anything, uh, empirically, uh, in terms of,
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of, of improving it, putting a budget toward it, a plan toward it. Uh, am I missing something here in
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the, in the national Republican effort to, uh, secure the vote? Well, um, I travel around our
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great state and meet with a lot of different people, Lou. And like you, there are a lot of
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individuals, uh, and citizens in Alabama that are concerned about election integrity and election
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security. And, you know, they want safe, secure, accountable, accurate elections. And, um, you know,
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we're doing our part in Alabama. I know we saw a lot of chaos and confusion in the last presidential
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election. And I would hope that these other states and these other conservative voices and
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conservative individuals in these states are pushing their legislatures to pass strong conservative
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bills that strengthen their election security. And, uh, you know, we have done that in Alabama.
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Uh, when I was in the legislature, we passed, uh, several bills that, uh, strengthen the, uh,
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security of our elections. One, uh, was passing the bill that, um, ban the private money from flowing
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into these public, uh, offices that administer our elections. The, uh, Zuck Bucks bill, if you remember,
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we, we passed that. And, uh, matter of fact, I was a sponsor of that bill. And so we've got lots of
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experience with that, but, you know, I, I, the way I answered that question when I get asked is,
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hey, you know, I'm responsible for Alabama's elections and working with all of our local
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election officials, the probate judges, circuit clerks and sheriffs and board of registrars and the
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poll workers all around our state to make sure that, uh, at the end of the day, we have, uh,
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clean and accurate voter rolls, uh, and that we are running and administering our elections in a safe,
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secure and transparent and an accurate way. And, um, we work diligently in this office and work
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alongside those local partners to make sure that happens. Well, and we appreciate it. I know the
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people in Alabama appreciate it greatly. Uh, does Alabama, as we're wrapping up here, let me ask you,
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because a couple of questions occurred to me as we were talking about the role of the federal
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government in your elections and every state's elections, uh, a four year period in which you
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can't take people off the rolls, uh, the very idea that there is, uh, is there a assured, uh, paper
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ballot or machine, uh, recount in Alabama, for example, uh, because a lot of states are insisting now
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that they want to have a paper trail, uh, for every, uh, every vote. But what is,
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what is the situation in Alabama? And that is, we're closing out here.
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Yes, sir. Uh, well, our legislature has done a very fine job. Our last legislative session,
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matter of fact, um, uh, we, our state passed a bill that we will always have paper ballots.
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We've always voted on paper ballots in Alabama, but we'll always have it according to state law.
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And that's important to have the receipts and you can always go back and count and all that
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and do the things that you get, that you got to do if there's any kind of contested elections or
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any challenge. And also they passed a bill. And of course, governor Ivey signed both bills into law,
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but also passed a bill to where our tabulators, uh, can never be connected to the internet.
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So they'll have no modem. They'll have no Bluetooth or wifi capability. All it does is
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tagulate the paper ballot and the totals. And so, uh, we're appreciative of our legislature and
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our governor for, uh, passing that and signing that into law. And also we do have an automatic
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recount if it's in one half of 1% in general elections. Uh, and so I know that there's going
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to be an audit bill coming before the state legislature next session to put that into place,
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to, uh, further make sure that we have transparency in, in our elections process.
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So let me ask you the million dollar question. As far as I'm concerned,
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how long of voting period do you have in Alabama?
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Because as you know, some states, I mean, it goes on, uh, they start in May and they
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finish up sometime in, uh, in the middle of the snow season.
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Yeah. So I believe in election day, not election month. Um, but we have absentee voting in Alabama.
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It's, um, you do have to have an excuse to vote absentee in Alabama. Um, I have long fault,
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no excuse, absentee voting. I have long fault, um, automatic voter registration. Um, but we vote
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day of and in Alabama, we vote 7 AM to 7 PM. Uh, and, um, there's, you know, several, uh,
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weeks of absentee voting, uh, but they, you know, they, they can request it through an
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absentee application or they can go into their local circuit clerks or their absentee election
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manager's office to request one of those absentee ballots, ballots, but they do have to have an
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excuse to vote absentee. Wes, I would not have expected otherwise of the great state of Alabama
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and its secretary of state. Thanks so much, Wes, for being with us here today. Uh, come on back
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anytime and, uh, enjoy talking with you. And, uh, again, congratulations on your success on behalf
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of the people of, uh, of Alabama. You're doing a terrific job and God bless you.
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Thank you so much, Lou. I appreciate it. Thanks everybody for being with us here tomorrow.
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We'll be talking with Devin Nunes, former intelligence committee chairman, CEO of Trump
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