The Great America Show - VOTES WON’T COUNT IF ’24 ELECTION IS RIGGED

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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. This is the Great America Show. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the show. Great to have

00:01:27.540 you with us. The Israel-Hamas war is two weeks long. Israel hasn't invaded Gaza, hasn't eliminated Hamas

00:01:35.420 and hasn't yet tried. And pro-Palestinian protests in the United States are shockingly numerous.

00:01:42.220 And many universities are even supportive of Hamas and their massacre of Israelis while ignoring Iran's 0.79

00:01:50.060 role in it all. Iran inciting and sponsoring Hamas as they do Hezbollah in Lebanon. In Washington, the

00:01:58.160 Speaker of the House election has taken an ugly twist, the Republicans taking a secret vote after the third

00:02:04.900 round of voting from the floor. And sources I trust tell me Congressman Jordan got only 86 votes.

00:02:12.500 And after only three rounds of voting, Jordan's bid was over. This has the swamp stench all over it,

00:02:19.480 doesn't it? And Senator Mitch McConnell, who, by the way, is as impaired as President Biden,

00:02:25.900 having a strong hand in it all.

00:02:28.360 I'm a populist conservative, an America First conservative, and I'm disgusted with what the

00:02:34.480 Republican seems to have become. So is it an accident that still there's been no comprehensive

00:02:40.800 investigation of the rigged election of 2020 and 2022 as well? All of these events are absolutely

00:02:48.720 orchestrated in my view. Individual states, though, are working to make sure their elections are secure

00:02:54.740 and honest, and eight states have now withdrawn from the controversial voter data organization

00:03:00.740 called ERIC. That stands for the Election Registration Information Center. ERIC also states

00:03:07.340 its mission is to, get ready for this, reach out to unregistered voters as well to get out the vote.

00:03:14.420 Now, that may sound benign, but it likely isn't. The problem is there's no transparency in what ERIC is

00:03:21.320 doing, and among a number of states, election officials fear that get out the vote campaigns

00:03:27.400 are decidedly for Democrat candidates. That's why Republican states are pulling out, and more

00:03:33.920 are likely to do so. One of the states that pulled out of ERIC is Alabama, and joining us is the Secretary

00:03:40.060 of State of Alabama, Wes Allen. Wes withdrew the state from ERIC and has a new system to assure

00:03:46.060 clean voter rolls. Wes, it's great to have you with us, and thanks for doing all that you're doing.

00:03:51.880 Let's start with your changes to the election system to make Alabama one of the most secure

00:03:56.260 voting systems in the country. Well, Lou, thank you so much. I appreciate you for allowing me

00:04:02.040 a little time on your great podcast, so I really appreciate it. Yeah, you know, it was, I think there

00:04:07.920 were some folks that were surprised that when a guy campaigns for office and a person makes promises

00:04:15.140 about what they're going to do when they get into office, I think there were some folks that were

00:04:17.820 kind of surprised that we lived up to what we said we were going to do, and, you know, we're very proud

00:04:24.880 of what we've been able to accomplish over the last eight or nine months here while we've been in

00:04:29.720 office since January the 16th, and when I raised my right hand and took the oath of office,

00:04:36.100 we have worked extremely hard. We put a great team into place, and I like to call them first-round

00:04:41.460 draft picks, and we've been working so incredibly hard since January the 16th. Not only did we

00:04:48.860 withdraw Alabama from Eric, but we decided that we were going to come up with an Alabama-based

00:04:55.460 solution to take care of our voter file maintenance and to make sure that we had the cleanest and most

00:05:00.480 accurate voter rolls that we've ever had, but also in the country, and we believe that the Alabama

00:05:06.380 voter integrity database, and what we've been working on since January the 16th is that solution.

00:05:12.340 We're so incredibly proud of it, and it's a four-prong system, Lou, and the first prong,

00:05:19.880 and what we have is an agreement with the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency. Our ALEA is what it's called,

00:05:28.080 and they're our driver's license. They issue driver's licenses and non-driver IDs, but let's just say that

00:05:35.280 John Doe moves from Alabama to another state, and they get a driver's license in that other state.

00:05:41.920 Well, that other state will alert Alabama, ALEA, that John Doe has received a driver's license in that

00:05:48.380 new state, and so we get that data from ALEA, from the Alabama Law Enforcement Agency,

00:05:53.060 and we start working that data to send a postcard to that person, to John Doe, and say, hey,

00:06:00.100 have you moved? We understand you've got a driver's license in another state, so we were working that,

00:06:06.300 and since we have implemented AVID and working with ALEA over the last couple of months, we've

00:06:12.120 already identified over 8,500 individuals from Alabama that have moved out of state and attained a

00:06:17.700 driver's license in another state. Now, does that mean that they were taken off the rolls?

00:06:23.060 No, sir. It does not. Not at the moment. We have to adhere to the National Voter Registration Act

00:06:28.520 of 1993. That requires, you can't remove anybody off of a list for four years unless they've passed away.

00:06:39.840 You have to take me.

00:06:42.280 It takes four years to, yeah, yeah.

00:06:44.560 That's insane.

00:06:47.300 So it takes four years. So it gives the voter an opportunity, you know, and of course we sent out

00:06:54.740 postcards to these individuals saying, hey, we've got some information that you may have moved,

00:07:00.140 got a driver's license. Will you either update or verify that you have moved or haven't moved?

00:07:05.300 It gives them an opportunity in case there has been a mistake to verify that move.

00:07:11.020 So that's prong one. Prong two is the national change of address file that's kept by the United

00:07:18.200 States Postal Service. And so when someone moves out of state...

00:07:21.920 This doesn't sound promising, Wes. You're going to rely, you know, one part of this you have to rely

00:07:28.760 on the post office. That's scary.

00:07:30.280 Well, let me tell you what we've done and tell you the stats that we've had and been able to

00:07:36.580 get our hands on. But let's just say that John Doe moves from the state of Alabama.

00:07:43.680 Well, what that postal service allows you to do is to say, hey, would you please forward my Alabama

00:07:49.660 mail that's coming to my Alabama address to my new address out of state? Well, we've already

00:07:55.980 identified over 30,000 individuals that have alerted the postal service that they want their

00:08:01.080 Alabama mail forwarded to their new address out of state. And so we're working that data as we speak

00:08:06.380 now to verify all of that information. And so we're very, very excited about that information as

00:08:13.700 well. The third prong is our state partnerships. For the first time in Alabama's history, we have all

00:08:20.600 four of our border states that we're going to share data with on a bilateral agreement. We've got

00:08:25.740 memorandums of understanding signed with Tennessee, Georgia, Florida, and Mississippi.

00:08:31.060 And we've also signed and executed a bilateral agreement to share voter file maintenance,

00:08:37.100 voter file data with Arkansas. And we're working with a couple of other states now to secure

00:08:42.000 their agreements as well. But we've already started the data exchange with Tennessee.

00:08:47.560 And we've identified over 8,000 individuals that are registered in Tennessee that are also

00:08:53.480 registered in Alabama. So we are working that data as well. And, you know, one thing that I would

00:09:00.360 like to highlight is that Tennessee and Mississippi were never a part of ERIC. And so we've never exchanged

00:09:08.040 voter file data with our two border states, Mississippi and Tennessee. And so we're very excited

00:09:13.440 about those agreements. And man, it's, it's already yielded some things that we are, we're working

00:09:21.320 out, certainly is. And in the last, yeah, before you go on, let me just keep this clear. And it's,

00:09:29.140 and it's, it's really, to me, fascinating. Because to think that there's a national, a federal law

00:09:36.080 that you can't take somebody off the voter rolls for four years. I mean, that's insane. I mean,

00:09:43.600 and defeats the whole purpose of everything you're doing, in some ways, if you can't take them off

00:09:51.160 for four years, and they move out of state, it's just, how do you get a, how does that work?

00:09:57.620 Yeah. So let me, let me just give you an example. So if John Doe moves out of state,

00:10:02.400 they get a driver's license. And for whatever reason, they don't contact us, we can't get in

00:10:08.080 contact with them, but we've sent those postcards. Their file is, their, their voter file, their data

00:10:14.260 is moved to an inactive status. So if someone's from South Alabama moves to Mississippi or Louisiana

00:10:22.360 to go work, they receive a driver's license over there. But for whatever reason, they move

00:10:27.420 back before the election, if they walk into the precinct and they say, hey, I'm John Doe,

00:10:32.020 I'm here, I'm here to vote. Well, the precinct voter file there at the precinct has them on an

00:10:39.520 inactive status. So they've got to update their voter file information. And so once they do that,

00:10:46.100 they'll be allowed to vote. But it does take a while. And four years is a long time. But we are

00:10:54.040 working very, very diligently on all the information that we've garnered thus far. And

00:10:58.680 we're excited about, you know, sharing the data with our other border states and working

00:11:02.900 those individual states' data as well. Yes, sir.

00:11:06.000 We're talking with Alabama's Secretary of State, Wes Allen, about their new ability to control

00:11:13.080 their voter rolls, to keep them clean, and to make sure there's no fraud. We're talking about

00:11:18.020 integrity of the electoral system with Wes Allen. And we're coming right back with more. Stay with us.

00:11:31.220 We're back now. We're talking with the Secretary of State of the great state of Alabama, Wes Allen.

00:11:37.880 And Wes, we were at, we're sort of at the fourth level here. And give us the fourth prong,

00:11:46.020 if you will, of that four prong attack. Yes, sir. It is our agreement with the, to have the Social

00:11:54.160 Security Death Index. It's kept by the Social Security Administration. And so if an Alabama 0.97

00:12:00.300 resident travels out of state, and for whatever reason, they pass away in another state, one of

00:12:07.040 the 49 other states, we'll get that information that they passed away previously. Or for instance,

00:12:15.600 I'll just give you an example. If someone in Alabama lives over in East Alabama, if they travel to

00:12:20.220 Georgia, and they have surgery in Georgia, they pass away, for instance, that's Georgia's data. That's

00:12:28.320 not Alabama's data. And the Alabama Department of Public Health, which keeps data on those that pass

00:12:35.940 away in state, we already get that information. And so we now have access to the information out of

00:12:45.160 state. And we're excited about that. We've been accredited. We've been allowed to be able to get

00:12:52.120 this, get access to this. And we're just waiting on that data to come from the federal government.

00:12:56.420 Well, you know, that's interesting. And it sounds like a very smart plan. And you call it

00:13:04.100 and it's, it's light years ahead of what was called Eric, which was supposed to be a fancy

00:13:11.440 process that turned out to be really just another way to corrupt the, the voting roles and the voting

00:13:20.960 around the country. Eric is, is an awful construction. But I want to ask you, that's in

00:13:29.100 your history. That's in your rear view mirror in Alabama. And that's good for you. Yes, sir.

00:13:34.420 How many states are still in that? I, the last thing I saw, seven states have withdrawn. They're

00:13:38.960 originally, I think, 31. Have you got a sense of that?

00:13:42.460 I think we're, I think they have 23 to 24, Lou. I'm not sure on the, on their number,

00:13:52.800 but, but yeah, we, Louisiana, I think was first to suspend and to withdraw. And then we followed

00:13:59.960 them right after that. And then of course, there was a, there was a, several other states that

00:14:03.920 followed, followed. And, you know, we, we, again, it's a testament to our team and how hard

00:14:12.340 they've worked since January the 16th when, when we were sworn in. And, uh, we're just

00:14:16.840 continuing to work and preparations, uh, preparation for the, our March 5th presidential

00:14:22.120 primary in 2024. Of course, this is, it'll be a big year. It's presidential election year. So,

00:14:28.380 uh, our team is already making preparations from the March 5th primary.

00:14:32.740 Yeah. We got, we've got a big and important, uh, critically important, uh, year of campaigns

00:14:38.220 and elections coming up, don't we? I want to, I want to get a sense too, uh, is population of

00:14:44.960 Alabama. Is it growing, uh, markedly?

00:14:49.400 It is. We're, we're seeing an influx of people from around the country come in, uh, to Alabama,

00:14:55.140 um, everywhere really. But, you know, there's been extreme, uh, big growth in the Madison County,

00:15:01.080 which is Huntsville area. And also the Baldwin County, Gulf Shores, Orange Beach area,

00:15:05.700 but really the state of Alabama is growing and, uh, we, we are experiencing growth all over our

00:15:11.860 state. We've got about 3.7 million voters, give or take a few. Uh, but, uh, yeah, it's, um, Alabama

00:15:18.540 is experiencing some growth because, you know, we're, we're a deep red state. Uh, we believe in faith

00:15:23.620 and, uh, freedom and liberty. And, uh, you know, we, we govern that way in our state. We're very,

00:15:28.740 very proud of the accomplishments that we've had. Well, and you ought to be, I just, just out of, uh,

00:15:34.320 curious. I remember at Huntsville, I've been, uh, there to the, uh, uh, the rocket, uh, base and, uh,

00:15:41.600 a few other facilities. Uh, there's a lot of government activity, uh, there, right?

00:15:47.980 Oh, absolutely. It is the redstone arsenal. You got NASA. I mean, you got all kinds of tech 0.93

00:15:53.540 companies that are, they're coming in up there. And, um, so it's, it's, uh, it's a lot of engineers,

00:16:00.380 a lot of smart, a lot of smart folks that are in, that are in Huntsville and, uh, and,

00:16:05.680 and, and man, it is, it just had such extreme growth, uh, over the last 10 years or so. And

00:16:11.440 it's just exploding and they got great leadership at the local level. And, uh, that's what it's

00:16:16.060 all about. We've got that local leadership and, uh, we're very, very proud of what they're

00:16:21.240 being able to accomplish in Huntsville. Well, as a matter of fact, the whole country is

00:16:24.720 proud of what has happened in Alabama. Uh, so as we look at 2024, we have seen various

00:16:34.200 challenges to president Trump, uh, being even on the ballot and a lot of places, I can't

00:16:39.480 even imagine somebody would whisper that idea, uh, in the red state of Alabama. Uh, what has

00:16:46.980 been your experience to this point?

00:16:48.400 Yeah, we've gotten a few folks that, you know, want to kind of talk all that, but, but man,

00:16:57.000 we're not going there. I mean, I mean, come on. I mean, for real. I mean, we fully expect

00:17:02.960 Trump to be on the ballot here in Alabama. No doubt about it. I think I saw some, um, headline

00:17:08.520 about the Supreme court shot it down or there was some course that shot that shot it down.

00:17:13.760 So I mean, come on. Yeah. That didn't keep a few states from still trying even after the

00:17:19.500 Supreme court had ruled, but that's the nature of, uh, the Biden administration. It is, uh,

00:17:24.960 it's more totalitarian than it is in any way democratic or, uh, or representative. I mean,

00:17:30.960 it's astounding, uh, you pass, uh, you know, legislation against affirmative action and the chief

00:17:37.720 justice, the Supreme court is handing out instructions on how to get around, around the ruling of the

00:17:43.480 Supreme court. I mean, we live in la la land right down this country. I don't care whether it's the

00:17:48.260 Supreme court or whether it is the, the, uh, uh, president of the United States who's, uh, impaired

00:17:54.860 just slightly and, uh, and it appears slightly corrupt and, and just a little, maybe, uh, difficult to,

00:18:02.980 it's difficult for him to find his way around, but we still have him as our president and commander

00:18:08.320 in chief. So Wes, let me ask you this, uh, Alabama is lucky to have you as secretary of state. Uh,

00:18:14.800 you're, uh, you have improved and, and, uh, and securitized the electoral system there. Uh, and,

00:18:21.680 but the rest of the states, it's, it's very uneven and nationally, the Republican national committee,

00:18:28.480 I can't see anything they're doing whatsoever. They passed a resolution about wanting to have, uh,

00:18:34.480 a secure election, but I haven't seen them do anything, uh, empirically, uh, in terms of,

00:18:42.840 of, of improving it, putting a budget toward it, a plan toward it. Uh, am I missing something here in

00:18:49.520 the, in the national Republican effort to, uh, secure the vote? Well, um, I travel around our

00:18:56.720 great state and meet with a lot of different people, Lou. And like you, there are a lot of

00:19:00.960 individuals, uh, and citizens in Alabama that are concerned about election integrity and election

00:19:06.880 security. And, you know, they want safe, secure, accountable, accurate elections. And, um, you know,

00:19:14.320 we're doing our part in Alabama. I know we saw a lot of chaos and confusion in the last presidential

00:19:18.800 election. And I would hope that these other states and these other conservative voices and

00:19:24.880 conservative individuals in these states are pushing their legislatures to pass strong conservative

00:19:30.600 bills that strengthen their election security. And, uh, you know, we have done that in Alabama.

00:19:38.520 Uh, when I was in the legislature, we passed, uh, several bills that, uh, strengthen the, uh,

00:19:44.680 security of our elections. One, uh, was passing the bill that, um, ban the private money from flowing

00:19:51.880 into these public, uh, offices that administer our elections. The, uh, Zuck Bucks bill, if you remember,

00:19:57.480 we, we passed that. And, uh, matter of fact, I was a sponsor of that bill. And so we've got lots of

00:20:02.840 experience with that, but, you know, I, I, the way I answered that question when I get asked is,

00:20:07.400 hey, you know, I'm responsible for Alabama's elections and working with all of our local

00:20:11.960 election officials, the probate judges, circuit clerks and sheriffs and board of registrars and the

00:20:17.080 poll workers all around our state to make sure that, uh, at the end of the day, we have, uh,

00:20:23.720 clean and accurate voter rolls, uh, and that we are running and administering our elections in a safe,

00:20:30.920 secure and transparent and an accurate way. And, um, we work diligently in this office and work

00:20:38.360 alongside those local partners to make sure that happens. Well, and we appreciate it. I know the

00:20:44.360 people in Alabama appreciate it greatly. Uh, does Alabama, as we're wrapping up here, let me ask you,

00:20:51.000 because a couple of questions occurred to me as we were talking about the role of the federal

00:20:55.640 government in your elections and every state's elections, uh, a four year period in which you

00:21:02.120 can't take people off the rolls, uh, the very idea that there is, uh, is there a assured, uh, paper

00:21:11.720 ballot or machine, uh, recount in Alabama, for example, uh, because a lot of states are insisting now

00:21:20.600 that they want to have a paper trail, uh, for every, uh, every vote. But what is,

00:21:26.200 what is the situation in Alabama? And that is, we're closing out here.

00:21:30.840 Yes, sir. Uh, well, our legislature has done a very fine job. Our last legislative session,

00:21:35.480 matter of fact, um, uh, we, our state passed a bill that we will always have paper ballots.

00:21:41.560 We've always voted on paper ballots in Alabama, but we'll always have it according to state law.

00:21:46.520 And that's important to have the receipts and you can always go back and count and all that

00:21:50.120 and do the things that you get, that you got to do if there's any kind of contested elections or

00:21:54.040 any challenge. And also they passed a bill. And of course, governor Ivey signed both bills into law,

00:21:59.560 but also passed a bill to where our tabulators, uh, can never be connected to the internet.

00:22:04.920 So they'll have no modem. They'll have no Bluetooth or wifi capability. All it does is

00:22:09.000 tagulate the paper ballot and the totals. And so, uh, we're appreciative of our legislature and

00:22:15.320 our governor for, uh, passing that and signing that into law. And also we do have an automatic

00:22:20.600 recount if it's in one half of 1% in general elections. Uh, and so I know that there's going

00:22:26.600 to be an audit bill coming before the state legislature next session to put that into place,

00:22:31.880 to, uh, further make sure that we have transparency in, in our elections process.

00:22:38.120 So let me ask you the million dollar question. As far as I'm concerned,

00:22:42.440 how long of voting period do you have in Alabama?

00:22:45.560 Because as you know, some states, I mean, it goes on, uh, they start in May and they

00:22:50.600 finish up sometime in, uh, in the middle of the snow season.

00:22:54.280 Yeah. So I believe in election day, not election month. Um, but we have absentee voting in Alabama.

00:23:01.000 It's, um, you do have to have an excuse to vote absentee in Alabama. Um, I have long fault,

00:23:07.640 no excuse, absentee voting. I have long fault, um, automatic voter registration. Um, but we vote

00:23:13.640 day of and in Alabama, we vote 7 AM to 7 PM. Uh, and, um, there's, you know, several, uh,

00:23:21.640 weeks of absentee voting, uh, but they, you know, they, they can request it through an

00:23:25.880 absentee application or they can go into their local circuit clerks or their absentee election

00:23:31.000 manager's office to request one of those absentee ballots, ballots, but they do have to have an

00:23:35.320 excuse to vote absentee. Wes, I would not have expected otherwise of the great state of Alabama

00:23:40.760 and its secretary of state. Thanks so much, Wes, for being with us here today. Uh, come on back

00:23:45.800 anytime and, uh, enjoy talking with you. And, uh, again, congratulations on your success on behalf

00:23:53.240 of the people of, uh, of Alabama. You're doing a terrific job and God bless you.

00:23:59.480 Thank you so much, Lou. I appreciate it. Thanks everybody for being with us here tomorrow.

00:24:03.800 We'll be talking with Devin Nunes, former intelligence committee chairman, CEO of Trump

00:24:08.760 media and technology group. So please be with us for all that. And join me today on 77

00:24:14.520 WABC radio for our new show there, Lou Dobbs Sunday, 3 p.m. Eastern. Thank you, everybody.

00:24:21.880 God bless you and may God bless America.

The Great America Show - October 22, 2023

VOTES WON’T COUNT IF ’24 ELECTION IS RIGGED

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