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00:01:18.340 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. This is the Great America Show and welcome. Great to have

00:01:27.320 you with us. Israeli troops and tanks have reportedly begun ground assaults in northern

00:01:32.320 Gaza. The Israel Defense Force bombing Hamas targets throughout the night. Hezbollah in southern

00:01:38.580 Lebanon has been warned not to intervene in any way. The United States has its most powerful aircraft

00:01:44.740 carrier and guided missile strike force now positioned in the eastern Mediterranean to fully

00:01:50.480 support Israel should there be any intervention by Hezbollah or any other radical Islamist groups in

00:01:56.320 the region. And Congress returns Tuesday to take what is likely their concluding vote on a new speaker.

00:02:03.300 Former Speaker McCarthy and other prominent Republican congressmen have thrown their support to House

00:02:08.800 Judiciary Committee Chairman Jim Jordan, who looks like the new Speaker of the House. It will be a close

00:02:15.460 vote by any measure. And our guest today on the Great America Show is the president of the Article 3

00:02:21.340 Project, attorney Mike Davis. As we take up Mike's views on the Israel-Hamas war, the Biden missteps that

00:02:28.640 played a part in the Hamas attacks on Israel, who now appears to be the next Speaker of the House,

00:02:35.020 Jim Jordan. Our guest today is the former NSA senior intelligence analyst and whistleblower Russ

00:02:42.060 Tice, a great American. Russ, thank you for being with us again. Let's start with the intelligence

00:02:49.420 community right now is a mystery. It's always a mystery to me. Why is it the intelligence community of this

00:02:56.320 country seems to be failing on so many fronts, but succeeding wildly in surveilling their own

00:03:04.120 citizens focusing, it seems to me, honestly, on domestic politics and not geopolitics and

00:03:12.320 international threats to this country? Well, the answer is control. NSA, if they have, if they can

00:03:19.780 gather unseemly information on people of power, they can ultimately use that information to blackmail

00:03:27.640 them to make sure that the coffers and that the inlays in for the intelligence community will keep

00:03:35.060 on coming. I think I mentioned before, NSA has been swimming in money for the last 20 years and

00:03:40.560 no one has ever questioned their budget. But I thought, as you said, they were swimming in money.

00:03:46.900 What is going on? This seems to be a huge propaganda push to build an even huge budget, even greater.

00:03:54.940 Well, back in the days of the Cold War, when we had the big missile gap, which ultimately was used to

00:04:00.580 spend, you know, hundreds of billions of dollars in the defense industry. I think you're right. This

00:04:06.840 is another push for, I mean, does anyone really know what artificial intelligence is and how it works

00:04:16.080 and how this is, you know, to me, this is a bunch of, you know, if-then lines on a computer program.

00:04:22.080 You know, the knowledge might be latent as far as, you know, what's going on with this. But

00:04:28.340 to me, it's a Gordian knot that someone needs to put a katana to a real sharp one and cut through

00:04:36.580 this thing. But it's an easy way to frighten people and make sure that the budget even increases,

00:04:44.360 you know, substantially from here. Well, artificial intelligence is, to me, frankly,

00:04:51.520 it's incomprehensible to me what artificial intelligence is. I have enough trouble with

00:04:57.860 intelligence itself and the fact that our intelligence agencies seem to have a quite

00:05:04.040 checkered record when it comes to making other nation states and actions and policies and

00:05:12.420 intentions understandable and their actions predictable. It's just, to me, it's a strange

00:05:21.840 world, but I'm not sure there's a lot of success, really, when we examine the record carefully.

00:05:27.880 For example, why does the intel community not know everything about what Hunter Biden was doing

00:05:34.380 in all of those foreign countries? It should have been right out in front of them, you know, 0.99

00:05:39.720 spooling up on every recording device they had. Or did they know? And is there some reason then

00:05:47.420 to suspect that they were just blackmailing the Biden family in some way?

00:05:52.820 Well, I think that's the answer. You know, basically, you have a bunch of nihilists at NSA

00:05:59.920 that, yes, they do. The answer is, yes, they do have that information, because they're collecting

00:06:05.120 everything and storing it. So if they want to, they can at any time, you know, pull someone aside

00:06:12.320 and even the president say, you know, this is what we have. And oh, by the way, we also have all

00:06:16.920 these bank records where we have the money coming directly to you, which is the smoking

00:06:24.020 gun. You know, actually, that's the bullet firing out of the gun. So NSA is, in my opinion,

00:06:33.520 they're using this information for blackmail. And it's the president, it's Congress, it's senators,

00:06:40.020 I mean, it's judges, it's military officials, it's everybody that they collect everything on.

00:06:45.720 So think about it. If you have that kind of power on and know everything about everyone's

00:06:51.080 communications, how you could use that.

00:06:53.260 I wonder how it was being used in the Obama administration in particular, because as is

00:06:59.440 becoming quite popular to say, all roads lead back to Obama now, because it was in the last

00:07:05.360 two years of his administration, that Biden seemed to reach the apex of his corruption and the bribery

00:07:15.740 with the nation states that are straight out enemies of the United States. It was also in the

00:07:23.040 first part of his administration that Hillary Clinton came to power as Secretary of State. And what

00:07:29.440 followed was the Clinton Foundation and what was an admixture of foreign states, both friendly and

00:07:38.460 hostile, but all supportive of that foundation and putting a great deal of money in the pockets of

00:07:44.880 the Clintons. Again, the NSA and the CIA had to know or be a party to all that the Clinton Foundation

00:07:53.120 was doing, right?

00:07:55.460 That's correct. You know, this is duplicity. And ultimately, I mean, the most favored nation

00:08:01.420 status for trade for China back in the Clinton administration. This is, you know, the Aphrodite

00:08:08.440 rolling golden apples in front of them. And then as they're picking up, they just, you know,

00:08:13.180 they have areas, they shoot a love arrow into them and they get whatever they want. So that's

00:08:20.360 what's happening here. We're being subverted. We're being subverted and in all, in all quarters.

00:08:27.320 And right now the federal government, and I've said this repeatedly on this show, our federal

00:08:34.620 government is not ours. The consent of the government is no longer required, but our, you know, our

00:08:41.380 obeisance, our absolute insistence on maintaining absolute order and conformity and uniformity and

00:08:53.680 all we say or think, or otherwise we become an enemy of the state. This is a very real moment in

00:09:00.180 history. We have a police state, a surveillance state, and that's not conspiracy theory. That's

00:09:06.940 observance of facts that are extant now for some years. And I don't know how we cut this particular

00:09:17.280 knot at all. Because right now, the intelligence agencies have the superior knowledge. We do not

00:09:25.140 have access to that knowledge. These are black boxes. Every one of these alphabet agencies is a black 1.00

00:09:31.180 box unto itself. And I don't for a moment believe that the director of national intelligence even has

00:09:37.320 a handle on what is going on in each of those agencies. And I know for a fact that the Senate

00:09:43.580 and House oversight committees and intelligence committees sure don't have any kind of real

00:09:51.420 influence over those agencies. Your thoughts?

00:09:55.340 Well, once again, I don't know whether they know that some of these folks that are in Congress,

00:10:00.360 they have some checkered pasts. So all that information is now within the reach of the

00:10:06.320 intelligence community to be used against them. Yes, we've been sort of a covert police state for

00:10:13.440 quite some time. I said that almost 20 years ago. Of course, people said I was crazy. What I suggested

00:10:21.240 NSA was spying on everyone. That's, you know, I was nutbag crazy at the time, supposedly. Well,

00:10:28.260 that's all come, you know, to fruition that we all know this now. And the American people need to

00:10:34.520 wake up because we're reaching this event horizon and quickly. And at some point, we're either going

00:10:43.980 to have to have an inflection point where we fight against this and do away with it.

00:10:48.800 Let me interject real quickly before we take a quick moment here. Russ Tice is making a reference

00:10:57.600 to the time, the early 2000s, that he was a whistleblower in the NSA as a senior intelligence

00:11:08.200 analyst. And we're going to talk about what flows from that, what he had discovered in that time

00:11:15.960 that prompted him to go to be a whistleblower on the NSA and its activities. We're coming right back

00:11:25.140 with Russ Tice, and we're going to explore further. What is the intelligence community doing?

00:11:31.520 They know everything. Why don't they say something? Isn't that the way it goes? See something?

00:11:37.220 Say something? I guess it applies to everyone but the intelligence community. We'll be right back

00:11:41.760 with Russ Tice. Stay with us. We're back with Russ Tice, NSA whistleblower, great American. He was

00:11:55.660 national intelligence, senior national intelligence. Let me try this again. We're back with Russ Tice,

00:12:05.260 who was a whistleblower against the National Security Agency, a senior intelligence analyst

00:12:14.440 for the NSA for a very long time. Russ, it's just great to have you back with us, as I was saying.

00:12:22.580 And we're talking about the sweep and the breadth of the intelligence community's knowledge about what

00:12:30.020 happens within this country and without. It's problematic about how effective they've been

00:12:36.500 in international intelligence, isn't it? It's strange that we have now the CIA, the NSA

00:12:44.800 complaining about all of the activity in China concerning artificial intelligence, but we're not

00:12:53.760 hearing a lot about what is actually happening in other areas within China, whether it is their

00:12:59.120 hypersonic missiles, their buildup of their Navy or their actual plans, whether it be in the Western

00:13:05.860 hemisphere. And if so, how in the world could they build bases in Cuba, own the Panama Canal and have

00:13:13.960 so much engagement in South America, Venezuela, Brazil, and so forth. Your thoughts on that's what seems

00:13:22.740 to be a contradiction within the idea of intelligence in the intel community.

00:13:29.120 Well, it used to be that we had a very large haystack, and we were looking for the needles that were

00:13:35.820 indeed those intelligence threats that were coming from afar, from the foreign countries, China and Russia,

00:13:43.740 Iran, North Korea. But all of a sudden, we've quadrupled the size of that haystack by including 0.99

00:13:52.080 supposed enemies, domestic enemies, our own people. So now, instead of analysts, you're worrying about

00:13:59.740 finding a secret facility in China where they're producing some new submarine that is as quiet as a

00:14:11.160 church mouse. Now they're busy going after people's communications who go to church at the wrong church

00:14:19.820 or show up at the school meeting to protest, you know, wanting to have their children mutilated. So the haystacks

00:14:31.860 increased and our enemies know that we're looking and they do things to to hide their capabilities.

00:14:38.560 So, you know, right now, the low fruit is going after our citizens.

00:14:43.560 Yeah, and that that's true. And apparently, low fruit includes the the networks and systems of

00:14:52.260 corporate America, American commercial banks, the biggest and the most supposedly sophisticated in

00:14:59.840 terms of technology and cyber defense, as well as warfare on the part of the federal government.

00:15:06.680 Yet we're seeing the office of personnel management invaded cyber attacks almost at will, whether it be the

00:15:14.740 Chinese or the Russians or the Iranians, whomever it may be. It is head scratching to think that we are

00:15:22.040 vulnerable to all of these attacks without seemingly any sort of buildup and defenses, effective defenses, and

00:15:30.520 without strategic responses, that is counterattacks on China and Russia, and and taking

00:15:38.280 command of the battlefield. The battlefield, it seems, is more in the grip of our enemies than our than than than the

00:15:46.620 United States, you're thinking.

00:15:49.360 Well, part of this is our own doing. I mean, our intelligence services, NSA, they've intentionally put back doors into into

00:15:56.920 security systems into cybersecurity systems. So this to allow themselves to go in and snoop and do things, you know,

00:16:05.680 that are being used domestically. Some of these same security, some of these same security systems are being used by our

00:16:11.560 enemies, or people that are finding out where these back doors are and how to to manipulate them to use against us. So, so we're

00:16:20.920 building in our own vulnerabilities into our systems, so supposedly so that we can snoop on our own, yet it's being

00:16:28.060 turned against us by our enemies. It's total insanity and just plain stupid.

00:16:33.360 Well, speaking of stupid, let's talk about Congress. And by Congress, I mean the House of Representatives and the

00:16:38.860 Senate. Why is it we know that the Chinese, and let's talk about just the Chinese here for a minute, we know they're

00:16:46.320 stealing at least $600 billion, because that's what everyone is acknowledging. $600 billion in military, sophisticated, secret

00:16:55.840 military technology, and intellectual property, whether it be applicable to either the business interest or whether it be for the

00:17:07.980 military. $600 billion a year. We know that there are all of these front companies, thousands of them from the Chinese in the 0.79

00:17:16.300 country right now. We know that in our universities, in our colleges, that there are all sorts of Chinese

00:17:22.240 influences, whether it be Confucius Institutes, or whether it simply be agents of the CCP operating in these

00:17:31.240 universities. Why is it they are able, it seems at least to me, able to operate so freely without response, and without a

00:17:42.600 single takedown that I'm aware of, in terms of the numbers, the dollars that are stolen from us, and the

00:17:49.600 level of technology, and intellectual property, that is, that goes straight to Beijing?

00:17:56.600 I think the answer is complicity and bribery. Some of these places are just complicit. They don't want to care. They

00:18:04.540 they're just indolences involved. Or they're, you know, there's, there's money to be had in selling

00:18:14.540 technology. When the buyer is paying big time profits, or they're pumping the right amount of

00:18:21.580 money into someone's, you know, re-election campaign.

00:18:24.540 No, I understand the human nature aspect of the perpetrators and those who American citizens who 0.51

00:18:32.540 would be turned for profit, or whether it be ideological reasons, whatever it may be. What I

00:18:38.540 don't understand is that this vast in intelligence network, sophisticated technology, and advanced

00:18:47.540 computing, and surveillance, remote sensing, you name it, satellites, we've got it all. Why

00:18:57.540 are we not able to stop the simple theft, or complex theft, of intellectual property from almost every

00:19:07.540 quarter of our society and our economy?

00:19:10.540 Well, the answer is we could stop it. But, but there are people that are making big time profits

00:19:15.540 on that information going to China, and they're not going to allow it to stop, because of a profit margin. You

00:19:22.540 know, ultimately, the information goes to China, even if it's something that's not involved in, in defense. But

00:19:29.540 if it's some, you know, I don't know, new technology and computers or whatever, they're going to, to use it

00:19:35.540 there, to exploit it, and then they're going to mass produce it there using very cheap labor, and then sell it

00:19:42.540 back to us, you know, and then people here are going to make big time profits. And so it's money. I think

00:19:49.540 ultimately, the dollar sign is the number one culprit there.

00:19:53.540 Well, I, again, I understand human nature, and I understand the temptations, and I even understand the

00:19:59.540 people who are turned. But I'm talking about the people within the intelligence community, who don't have, they

00:20:05.540 know full well that they will be, they will be watched carefully. So they're not likely going to be the

00:20:12.540 nefarious operators here, and activists. They should be the eyes and ears of the American people and this

00:20:19.540 government. And I don't understand why they have been unsuccessful in shutting down Chinese theft of

00:20:27.540 intellectual property and advanced technology, whether it be military or commercial or industrial.

00:20:35.540 That's what I don't understand. Why somebody in the NSA, someone in the CIA, any one of these agencies

00:20:42.540 isn't saying, you know, hey boss, we've got to move on this, because I heard Lou Dobbs say there are thousands of

00:20:52.540 front companies, CCP intelligence operations operating in the United States.

00:20:59.540 And by the way, it's been that way for 30 years.

00:21:02.540 There are analysts and collectors in the intelligence community at the mid-level and the

00:21:07.540 collection at the lower office level that are screaming these things.

00:21:11.540 But it all gets quashed at the upper level.

00:21:14.540 So what's happening with the senior intelligence community where they're allowing

00:21:21.540 these threats to just go without being addressed?

00:21:28.540 And that means that, you know, it could be a director of an intelligence agency who's looking

00:21:34.540 at his next career working for a company that's going to profit greatly from selling or giving

00:21:41.540 or having that information go to China.

00:21:44.540 We're talking with Russ Tice, and it's very disturbing what's going on in this country and what is not.

00:21:51.540 We're coming right back.

00:21:52.540 Stay with us, please.

00:21:59.540 We're back now with Russ Tice.

00:22:01.540 And Russ, we're talking about a number of things.

00:22:03.540 But one of the issues here is, as you pointed out, the senior leadership of our intel agencies

00:22:10.540 and the intel community.

00:22:12.540 Who watches the watchers?

00:22:14.540 Who's watching them in the intelligence community so we know they're on the up and up

00:22:19.540 and not in any way selling out their country from the very top positions in these agencies?

00:22:26.540 And the answer is no one.

00:22:29.540 That's not a good answer.

00:22:31.540 That's a terrible answer.

00:22:33.540 You know, an underling can go to the IG.

00:22:36.540 Say at NSA, an underling goes to the IG and says, hey, the upper echelon is ignoring whatever.

00:22:42.540 The problem is the IG is controlled by the chief executive of that agency.

00:22:48.540 And even the IG's security clearances are controlled by the security office, which is controlled by the executive or the director of the agency.

00:23:00.540 So the IG is completely corrupt.

00:23:03.540 So they can't do a proper investigation into why this is happening.

00:23:08.540 And ultimately, once you start squeaking a whole lot and making a lot of noise, then basically the IG is there to basically warn the upper echelon, hey, you've got someone who's going to be a problem and who's rocking the boat.

00:23:21.540 And we need to basically put a rope around this guy's neck and hang him from the tree.

00:23:26.540 We're talking about, figuratively speaking, the result may feel a lot the same to those who find themselves in that position.

00:23:35.540 I wonder, at this point, if we just have to acknowledge that our Senate Select Intelligence Committee and our House Select Intelligence Committee, permanent select committees, I should say, that they're just helpless.

00:23:50.660 There's just no way to move.

00:23:53.120 I know for a fact President Trump issued executive orders that were just basically spit upon by the leadership of the CIA, refused to follow them.

00:24:04.860 In declassifying documents, for example, there's just no way around this, is there?

00:24:13.540 In that case, you know, that person, I think I know you're talking about, she should have been fired immediately because, yes, she was she was a swamp dweller and she was there to wrap wrap around the chief's legs and put her fangs into into his calf. 0.99

00:24:30.300 And that's what she did.

00:24:31.620 And so many of them were, we just we just we just can't put up with these swamp creatures.

00:24:38.580 They have to be eviscerated.

00:24:42.200 There's no other choice.

00:24:44.120 Otherwise, even if even if even if our champion gets back in, you know, in the castle, we can't we can't have these underlings that are there to just, you know, destroy the whole system.

00:24:58.160 You and I have talked on a number of occasions and you have expressed great concern about President Trump's safety.

00:25:06.600 You have considerable experience within the intelligence community.

00:25:12.480 We we know there are forces at work in this country that are dark and they are dangerous and they pose a threat. 0.97

00:25:19.980 And I'm talking about within the government itself, as well as externally now, as always, that threat exists.

00:25:28.900 Give us your sense about why you're concerned and your sense of the most likely origin of those threats.

00:25:38.940 Should they act, you know, we supposedly we don't assassinate people and that's, you know, I don't know which president put out that executive order, but it supposedly gets it gets renewed all the time.

00:25:53.160 That's not true.

00:25:54.180 We we assassinate people.

00:25:55.780 We do it quietly and we do it with high tech and we do it, you know, if you've ever if you've ever read the Shakespeare's play Othello and the way Iago makes Cassio look like the bad guy, like like he's he's trying to steal Desdemona away from Othello.

00:26:15.240 You know, this thing is things that sneakily that are involved in these programs and they're all sat programs, special access programs that are involved in these things.

00:26:26.700 Now, the reason I know this is because in my technical ability, I think I was involved in supporting some things that happened overseas.

00:26:34.480 Now, you know, these were very bad people and bad guys.

00:26:37.680 And, you know, when something blew up somewhere and, you know, bad guys, you know, you just say, hey, the enemies.

00:26:45.240 Never in the United States.

00:26:47.460 Correct.

00:26:48.120 Yeah.

00:26:48.360 And OK, because that's my job.

00:26:50.760 I'm supporting making sure the people that are involved in, say, you know, taking down our towers and putting a plane into the Pentagon, that they're going to pay a price for it.

00:27:00.420 But then I noticed when the D.C. 0.77

00:27:03.860 Madam situation in Florida happened, I I looked at that and I was very suspicious because of the way it was done.

00:27:11.760 And I know a couple of capabilities and I don't think I should the CIA capabilities that we have that I don't think I should talk about right now.

00:27:21.340 But then I said to myself, you know, I'm pretty sure that might be that might be one of our own jobs.

00:27:28.140 And then then Epstein happened.

00:27:30.420 And then I knew that this was this was the CIA and probably even the Mossad and MI6 that were involved in this and a whole lot of money from some some some wealthy people.

00:27:41.380 So that's that's how he was assassinated.

00:27:45.780 So you believe Epstein was assassinated despite the absolute assurance of the attorney general of the United States, Bill Barr, whose responsibility as attorney general is the entire purview of the Department of Justice, which means the Bureau of Prisons.

00:28:01.920 And and and you're saying basically he lied through his teeth.

00:28:08.560 Of course, I'm not sure whether you lied.

00:28:10.980 He just maybe he just put his head in the sand and he was told to put your head in the sand and don't do a thing.

00:28:16.120 I can say, well, I have no knowledge of this happening, especially if I close if I put, you know, blinders on my eyes and turn my head and put the earplugs in my ears.

00:28:25.980 Then I can honestly say I have no knowledge of this and we have no information because we didn't look bar bar is basically complicit in that he was told to either lie or put your head in the sand.

00:28:40.120 He did.

00:28:40.960 He did that willingly.

00:28:43.420 So, yes, it was an assassination.

00:28:45.940 Now, here's the thing.

00:28:46.720 Now, now, now we're going after our own citizens, whether you, you know, Epstein apparently was a saint and deserved.

00:28:55.680 In my opinion, to have the law come down on him.

00:28:59.160 But in this case, this was done to make sure, excuse me, that some of his his clients and the fact that more than likely he was used by the CIA to to blackmail, you know, people that they wanted to blackmail from from his his capabilities.

00:29:19.040 So they can't have him going, you know, and saying that in court.

00:29:22.940 So they and of course, he's going to sit there and say, oh, yeah, you put me in you want to put me in jail.

00:29:27.900 I'm going to I'm going to spill the beans.

00:29:29.280 They had they had to kill him.

00:29:31.980 Now, we are now at a point, in my opinion, where these these swamp dollar dwellers view President Trump as an existential existential threat.

00:29:42.220 And and they I believe that there they could potentially use the capabilities under these programs to go after our former president and our number one, you know, contender right now to get back in the White House.

00:29:59.740 And it is just it scares me beyond belief.

00:30:03.180 But these these systems, they would be very subtle.

00:30:06.160 They would make it look like an accident.

00:30:09.020 And and everyone would go, oh, gee, yeah.

00:30:12.440 Look, look way back in the records of the airplane where they infuse some little thing about a valve that was flickering or something.

00:30:18.780 That must be the reason the plane went down.

00:30:20.960 That's horrible.

00:30:21.920 You know, let's have a state funeral and everybody salute or something of that.

00:30:26.900 And that's how it would be done.

00:30:29.940 Something would be done to make it look like an accident.

00:30:33.140 But it would be directed right from right from Langley and NSA would be supporting it.

00:30:39.080 And I think the FBI would be right there.

00:30:40.900 And here's my word to the Secret Service.

00:30:44.700 Be on your toes.

00:30:46.080 And you're not we're not talking about, you know, the thug loan shark enforcer now that you that you have to match wits with.

00:30:52.820 We're talking about some very sophisticated people.

00:30:55.420 And we're talking with Russ Tice.

00:30:57.840 Russ, it's been, as always, an engaging, interesting conversation with you.

00:31:03.760 We're delighted to have you back with us.

00:31:05.620 And I look forward to our next conversation, which will be soon.

00:31:09.140 Russ Tice, thanks for being with us.

00:31:10.940 And God bless you, Russ.

00:31:12.440 My pleasure.

00:31:13.460 Thank you, everybody, for being with us today.

00:31:15.420 Our guest here tomorrow on The Great America Show is the president of Judicial Watch, Tom Fenton.

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00:31:33.260 Thanks, everybody.

00:31:34.400 God bless you.

00:31:35.180 And may God bless America.

00:31:36.800 And may God bless Israel.

The Great America Show - October 15, 2023

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