In this episode of The Great America Show, host Lou Dobbs is joined by author, columnist, and radio host Gordon Chang to discuss the FBI raid on President Trump's Mar-A-Lago residence, the ongoing Russia investigation, and China's new leader, Xi Jinping.
00:05:26.540And, by the way, that's one of, I believe, the object lessons here about what the Marxist Dems,
00:05:34.300who are driving the Democratic Party, mean to be the effect.
00:05:38.660They are trying to bully, to intimidate, and to silence the Republican voices, the Trump supporters' voices,
00:05:47.800and, yes, even suppress the Republican vote in what looks to be an overwhelming red wave election on November 8th.
00:05:56.800But all of this is intended, it seems clearly to me, to stifle that vote and certainly cut it back with straight-out intimidation efforts.
00:06:11.180Yes. And, by the way, this attempt to stifle conservative voices and to stifle Republican voices is being fueled not only by the Democratic Party,
00:06:22.740but also by the Chinese and the Russians who are meddling in our political system more than they have been before.
00:06:31.080And we know, just from reading their propaganda, whose side they're on.
00:06:36.300And they're not on the side of conservatives.
00:06:38.300They're not on the side of President Trump.
00:06:40.000And that's because they were concerned about President Trump.
00:06:45.520And so, right now, they're just having a feast, as they would call it.
00:06:49.540The disinformation campaigns that they are running, you know, I love the way the intelligence community and the group at Homeland Security
00:07:01.180talks about our elections not having been, you know, in any way disrupted by the Russians or the Chinese or the Iranians or whomever.
00:07:10.980The fact is, they're trying very hard to do so with disinformation campaigns.
00:07:17.960And now, with the war in Ukraine, six months of war, they are clearly, clearly carrying out those campaigns with greater energy all of the time.
00:07:29.580The Chinese, the Chinese are dominating because they have allies they've bought lock, stock, and barrel, whether on Wall Street or in corporate America,
00:07:41.660if we can still say corporate America, about many of these huge multinational corporations.
00:07:51.400And, you know, we have a globalist culture in many of these multinationals.
00:07:56.880They don't see themselves as Americans.
00:07:58.600They see themselves as businesses of the world.
00:08:02.180And they too often bow down to Beijing.
00:08:06.100We've had a number of examples of this.
00:08:08.120Most recently, Tim Cook of Apple telling Apple suppliers in Taiwan to put the made-in-China label on products that are, in fact, made in Taiwan.
00:08:18.400I mean, you could only do this if you felt that you were trying to further the interests of the Communist Party.
00:08:24.680You know, one time we had captains of industry who actually believed they were Americans.
00:08:53.600And what should concern many Americans, and certainly Tim Cook, is that we are so dependent.
00:09:01.060Apple, for example, the world's richest corporation, really, is absolutely dependent on Chinese labor, on Foxconn in China.
00:09:14.840It is – there are the possibilities here for disruption are just so large and so important that they're almost unthinkable.
00:09:28.140Apple is interesting because it's doing very little to diversify out of China.
00:09:34.080Yes, it did move some iPad production to Vietnam.
00:09:37.640But for the most part, it has decided not to diversify its supply chain from China.
00:09:43.220And that means that it is going to remain lock, stock, and barrel owned by Beijing, in effect.
00:09:52.280And this is a conscious decision on the part of Cupertino not to protect the supply chain.
00:09:58.340You know, Lou, we saw with the attention over Speaker Pelosi's visit to Taiwan that shipping lanes and air lanes were actually disrupted during those Chinese exercises that bracketed the island.
00:10:11.980And that's a warning to companies that in the time of tension with China, which is obviously coming, they will not be able to reliably shift goods across the Pacific, either by air or by sea.
00:10:25.260And that means, as you point out, we could get cut off of some critically needed goods, such as pharmaceuticals or active pharmaceutical ingredients.
00:10:35.440And we don't know to what degree the Biden administration will respond to the Chinese threats and intimidation and their military hissy fit where they put that show on in the Straits of Taiwan and around the island of Taiwan.
00:10:55.440It is, again, intimidation, and it's very likely that this president, who is already soft on China in every way imaginable, as well as compromised by them, most assuredly, it's pretty certain that he will, as the saying is, become increasingly popular as more people do it when it comes to Communist China, take a knee.
00:11:52.100To become even more dire sounding, to increase the tempo of threats regarding the speaker's visit to Taiwan.
00:12:00.080And that really, Biden opened the door.
00:12:02.860And we're also pretty sure about something else, Lou.
00:12:06.340And that is, somebody leaked this trip to the Financial Times, which was the first time we learned about the speaker's trip.
00:12:14.280Most people in Washington think it was somebody from the Biden administration because they didn't want Pelosi to go to Taipei, and so they wanted to create a controversy.
00:12:26.020So, in other words, this tension, which we have seen over the last week and a half, is really the result of the Biden administration being intimidated by China.
00:12:35.520And one more thing, Lou, there was a scheduled test of an intercontinental ballistic missile that the Pentagon was going to conduct.
00:12:43.220Biden decides to postpone it because he's worried about the reaction from China.
00:12:49.180So we know that the Chinese can intimidate him.
00:12:52.060We know that Vladimir Putin can intimidate him because we've seen this in the American reaction to the invasion of Ukraine.
00:12:58.620This is a president who all you have to say is, boo, and he will not defend the American republic.
00:13:07.660Well, there's a condition preceding to that.
00:13:11.320If you say boo, you have to be also a client state of Hunter Biden to get your way.
00:13:19.240He's compromised with China in every way.
00:13:22.320Apparently, Hunter Biden still has a 10% stake in the CCP firm, still active.
00:13:31.220He's still flying with his father, even though there's a four-year-long investigation going on about Hunter Biden.
00:13:39.720By the way, an investigation of his business activities that clearly and unequivocally, without any doubt whatsoever, involve his father, the big guy, the 10-percenter,
00:13:50.340which means he's been a grafter for most of his life.
00:13:59.080He and Hunter Biden, his son, and James Biden, his brother, this is a crime family.
00:14:07.060There's no one who is in any way under any illusion about it.
00:14:12.120He's sitting there as a president because he lied.
00:14:16.120He lied as a presidential candidate while the attorney general of the United States knew he was lying and didn't have either the guts or the integrity to step up and say so.
00:14:28.400He changed history, and he did so with the complicity and support of the entire U.S. intelligence community.
00:14:36.360Fifty-one of them, five former CIA directors, as you well know, sending out a letter that brought down an iron curtain of silence in this country,
00:14:48.540brought down on big tech, social media, legacy publishing, and media outlets owned by large corporations
00:14:58.660who are already aligned better with Joe Biden than certainly Donald Trump.
00:15:03.700We are missing the destruction of the country by this one crime family.
00:15:10.740Crime family is absolutely the right term.
00:15:14.040And we know that Joe Biden as a candidate lied, as you pointed out,
00:15:17.720because there is the voicemail on Hunter Biden's laptop from hell, which has the candidate's voice saying,
00:15:25.740look, you know, you're going to be OK about the about the New York Times story about Hunter Biden's foreign business dealings.
00:15:33.600So when Joe Biden said that he had no conversations at all with his son about his son's foreign business dealings,
00:15:40.580we know, as you as you just said, that Joe Biden lied to the American people.
00:15:45.800And that lie was consequential. It was material because it helped get him into 1600 Pennsylvania.
00:15:55.700Yeah, absolutely. And he had the support of the deep state, the intelligence community,
00:16:01.420and the corporate led media who are no friend, obviously, of Donald Trump.
00:16:10.160I want to I want to go to the issue of the of the tariffs as well.
00:16:15.760But here we go. He's up. Biden wants to take another knee.
00:16:19.840He may want to do somersaults for all I know, but he wants those tariffs to go away.
00:16:25.060And and Nancy Pelosi's trip complicates everything, doesn't it?
00:16:30.460Because Taiwan suddenly became the epicenter of a paroxysm of the CCP history clashing with current ambitions of the great Xi Jinping.
00:16:46.360It is just a masterpiece of confusion right now in the in the Biden White House.
00:16:52.580Yes, it's not always a masterpiece of confusion is sometimes it's just regular old confusion.
00:16:57.220But we're watching a president who doesn't know how to give up everything to the Chinese without looking like the the the grafter he is and the fool that he is and the puppet he is.
00:17:12.860Yes. I mean, before the speaker went to Taipei, it was clear the Biden administration was going to, in one way or another, lift those Section 301 tariffs that President Trump imposed in 2018.
00:17:27.480And we got to remember that these tariffs were imposed as a remedy for the theft of U.S. intellectual property.
00:17:33.960We know that China steals somewhere in the vicinity of a half trillion dollars a year in U.S. IP.
00:17:40.360That estimate came from John Ratcliffe when he was director of national intelligence in December of 2020.
00:17:48.400Some people say it's more. Some people say it's less. But we're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.
00:17:53.600Biden, during this whole conversation about lifting tariffs, has not once mentioned the the the theft of U.S. intellectual property and what he would do if he were to lift those tariffs.
00:18:05.780By the way, lifting those tariffs is going to do nothing for inflation for two reasons.
00:18:11.400First of all, sellers of goods don't drop their prices when their costs go down.
00:18:17.180They only drop their prices when the demand for their products goes down.
00:18:46.700So lifting these tariffs, if Biden goes ahead and does that, really is going to be a direct benefit to the Chinese central government's Treasury, not to the American consumers.
00:18:58.140So these idea of lifting tariffs is just misguided from the very beginning.
00:19:05.100And it's it's interesting that it is a Chinese demand primarily, although Wall Street certainly and the AMA and the Business Roundtable all would be just very happy to go back to business as usual.
00:19:20.260That is an adorned theft of, as you say, a half trillion dollars in intellectual property and technology every year trading in and our military secrets.
00:19:33.700People have noticed that the latest generation of Chinese fighter aircraft look a lot like the F-35.
00:19:40.820They've noticed a number of similarities in every military advancement that are akin to ours.
00:19:49.220And we know, too, and as you and I have talked to many times over the years, we have enough CCP front companies operating in this country to to to to people a small industrialized nation.
00:20:08.720And we're watching them buying up our farmland.
00:20:12.060They're buying up food processing plants.
00:20:14.760They are putting themselves in proximity with some purchases to our air bases without a response from the Biden administration of any any kind.
00:20:25.500Yes, this this perspective corn milling plant, which is within 12 miles of the Grand Forks Air Force base, is really stunning that there's been no reaction from the Treasury Department, no reaction from the White House.
00:20:41.480That base is extremely sensitive because it has satellite uplink facilities and many of our drones are actually controlled from Grand Forks.
00:20:52.320And yet the Chinese were permitted to buy to buy 300 acres in the Jason to Grand Forks Air Force base.
00:21:00.420And now they have the announced plans of putting in a corn milling plant.
00:21:04.600And this is no one off because we've got a Chinese former Chinese military officer who bought land in Texas near Laughlin Air Force base.
00:21:13.680So this is becoming endemic and the Biden administration is not showing a pulse.
00:21:19.320Yeah, it's well, it's not showing a pulse, but it's certainly showing various other parts of anatomy.
00:21:34.600You don't hear from Lloyd Austin and still unless it's one of his pompous, inane comments about CRT or inclusion in the military as his recruiters can't find even 60 percent enough people to to staff our military, particularly the Army.
00:22:26.740Clearly, China is preparing for war and the Biden administration doesn't seem to notice.
00:22:35.100You have the Chinese pressing in India with Chinese troops below the line of actual control in Indian controlled territory, preparing for another attack in the South China Sea.
00:22:47.620It's second Thomas Shoal of the Philippines.
00:22:50.080The Chinese are trying to grab that feature from Manila.
00:22:53.760A couple of Fridays ago, you had four Chinese warships loitering in Japanese territorial water around the Senkakus in the East China Sea.
00:23:01.580For the last six to eight weeks, there's been this intensified air campaign of dangerous intercepts of allied craft.
00:23:10.100And then, of course, the tension over Taiwan.
00:23:13.000Clearly, China is moving towards conflict.
00:23:16.140And yet we don't see the Biden administration noticing this.
00:23:20.180Matter of fact, what we see, as I just talked about, is Biden not taking not going forward with tests like of the ICBM.
00:23:28.780This is really dangerous. And when history looks back at this period, they're going to wonder why the Biden administration was absolutely determined not to prepare for what is obviously coming.
00:23:40.480As James Lilly, our great ambassador to Beijing at the end of the 1980s, said, the Chinese always telegraphed their punches.
00:23:49.520Well, Lou, the Chinese are now telegraphing their punches, but nobody in the Oval Office seems to be looking at it.
00:23:55.920Well, they're not. And I don't know what to make of them.
00:24:02.240On one level, it's impossible to take them seriously.
00:24:05.460But the danger and the catastrophe that awaits us if we ignore what they're doing is too immense.
00:24:13.000This is China right now has expanded trade with Russia 30 percent just in the first half of this year.
00:24:21.380Lord knows where this partnership, this strategic partnership is headed.
00:24:26.160But it's very clear that India is also now an ambiguous entity as to whether it will align with China or with the West.
00:24:41.020In the Trump administration, India was clearly aligned with the United States.
00:24:45.920What happened, Lou, is the catastrophic withdrawal from Afghanistan.
00:24:51.080India was one of the big supporters of the Afghan government.
00:24:55.240We left behind information of Afghans who are cooperating not only with the United States, but with New Delhi.
00:25:02.580And what this has done is it has delegitimized America's friends in the national security establishment in the Indian capital.
00:25:11.880It has really bolstered the pro-Russia forces.
00:25:16.500And so we have an India now that looks, as you say, not aligned with Washington anymore.
00:25:23.080This is the direct result, the direct result of the failure in Afghanistan by the Biden administration.
00:25:30.280And it's important to remind everyone there's two developments that are important to keep in mind when it comes to China.
00:25:41.540One is China's tense relationship in terms of its border with India is one concern.
00:25:49.600But Russia has a longstanding, more than half-century-long relationship with India.
00:25:58.120And we, as you say, under Trump, we're moving forward with establishing a new direction for India, that direction they have obviously given up on under this administration,
00:26:10.500as have so many countries dealing with the United States after Afghanistan.
00:26:14.900It is, it seems to me, so important that the national security team surface here.
00:26:24.660But as the demands upon them grow, the less we see of them, the less we hear from them.
00:26:33.340Where is Jake Sullivan and Lloyd Austin?
00:26:36.280They are running like, running for the shadows at every opportunity.
00:26:42.780And there is no clear, quote-unquote, Biden foreign policy.
00:26:48.980Yes, and our allies and friends around the world are noticing this.
00:26:54.240And the reason why, for instance, Taiwan is so important is because after Afghanistan, after Ukraine, Taiwan has become the test, the test of American credibility.
00:27:06.520And if we were to fail there, then it wouldn't mean just catastrophe in East Asia.
00:27:11.660It would be catastrophe everywhere because people would see that the United States is not a good friend.
00:27:18.720And so, therefore, we have a lot at stake regarding the China-Taiwan controversy.
00:27:25.700And we need a president who recognizes that.
00:27:29.080Certainly, as you point out, a national security advisor, a secretary of state, and a defense secretary who understand how critical this moment is.
00:28:31.400Should we or should we not protect, defend, and make an unequivocal statement that we will, given its importance and given just our moral and historical obligations?
00:28:44.580We have to defend Taiwan, though, for a number of reasons.
00:28:47.900And it's not just we get our semiconductors from there.
00:28:50.940All right. Since for more than 100 years, since the 1800s, we Americans have drawn our Western defense perimeter, not off the coast of Hawaii or even off the coast of Guam.
00:29:05.100It's been drawn off the coast of East Asia.
00:29:08.200Taiwan is in the center of that perimeter.
00:29:11.140It's where the South China Sea and East China Sea meets.
00:29:14.480It is, as Admiral King said after World War II, the cork in the bottle.
00:29:20.320But there's something more important, and that is that at this moment, China is not only attacking our democracy, it's not only attacking other democracies, it's attacking the whole notion of democracy.
00:29:33.100And we can't allow China to absorb any democracy, especially one as important as Taiwan.
00:29:38.660And as you just mentioned, Taiwan, for other reasons, for the failures of the Biden administration, has become the test of American credibility.
00:29:48.620You put all those things together and you come to the conclusion that defending Taiwan is defending America.
00:29:55.440We shouldn't be at this place, but that's where we are due to some really bad policies over the last two years.
00:30:01.640That and the overwhelming, if you will, observation and ironic observation that while we're talking about defending Taiwan and its democracy, its importance to democracy and defense for the United States and the Western world, we are not defending democracy in America.
00:30:28.000We are losing our constitutional republic.
00:30:31.640We are permitting a president and an entire administration to run amok, to trample our rights, and to spit on our constitution.
00:30:43.840And unless we defend this one, we will be in sore shape to defend any other.
00:30:49.880And not only will this country change forever, but the entire world, as you say.
00:30:55.460Gordon Chang, we always appreciate talking to you.
00:30:58.760We thank you so much for being with us.
00:31:00.240We always give our guests, as you know, the last word.
00:31:07.940Well, Lou, after what you just said, I don't think there's anything more that can be said.
00:31:12.740But, you know, just to reiterate something, and that is we are at a moment where we could lose our country.
00:31:21.160We can lose it for the internal reasons that you just mentioned.
00:31:24.500We could lose it because of our external enemies, because the administration, the Oval Office, doesn't recognize the enemies that America now faces.
00:31:34.120So the American people on November 8th and again in 2024 are going to have to make critical decisions, decisions upon which our future depends, because we will lose our country the way things are going.
00:31:48.360I truly believe, Gordon, and I promised I'd give you the last word, but you gave us also a second date, 2024.
00:31:58.000I truly believe that November, and I know a lot of people like to conclude their shows and their discussions with some optimistic and bright outlook.