The Great America Show - July 19, 2022


WHAT DOES CHINA HAVE ON BIDEN FOR THE TENS OF MILLIONS THEY’VE GIVEN BIDEN’S FAMILY ASKS MIRANDA DEVINE

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Bidens and D.C. swamp Bill Barr and election investigation
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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Hunter Biden Joe Biden Donald Trump Bill Barr Miranda Devine Rudy Giuliani John Ratcliffe Sidney Powell Zuckerberg Dinesh D'Souza Chuck Grassley Newt Gingrich Janet Yellen Ron Johnson Jim Biden Politico Kayleigh McEnany Garrett Ziegler Ronna McDaniel Eric Swearen and 11 more
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The Laptop from Hell is a book written by the New York Post columnist Miranda Devine about the Biden family's alleged involvement in the Hunter Biden laptop scandal. She and her co-author, the great columnist, write the book, The Laptop From Hell.

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00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show.
00:00:05.000 I've been doing some advanced mathematics, at least for me advanced, so advanced that
00:00:10.480 let's call this a Dobbs calculated estimate, and with that qualifier I'm pleased to report
00:00:15.920 to you that there are 113 days till election day.
00:00:20.580 Think about that, less than a third of a year remaining until our midterm elections, and
00:00:26.940 with those elections will come greater clarity for all of us.
00:00:30.680 For one thing, we'll find out if the left is still rigging elections, and whether the
00:00:35.320 outcome of the November 8th election will be, as the polls now suggest, a landslide for
00:00:41.400 the Republicans, and the worst drubbing of the Marxist Dems in the modern American political
00:00:47.080 history.
00:00:48.140 The worst president, perhaps ever, is on the ticket. 0.77
00:00:51.000 President Biden put himself there, not merely with his ineptitude, his outright lies, his 0.97
00:00:57.540 refusal to hold news conferences, his Afghanistan disaster and historic humiliation, his embarrassing
00:01:05.040 slaughter of the English language time after time, his incoherent mutterings and word-salad
00:01:12.660 digressions.
00:01:13.460 No, President Biden put himself on the ballot with his anti-American agenda and policies,
00:01:20.680 his indifference to the pain of tens of millions of Americans, pain caused by the highest inflation
00:01:27.380 rate in four decades, his efforts to destroy the petrochemical industry, to attack parents
00:01:33.380 and their children, to force on America and Americans millions of illegal aliens, to force our 1.00
00:01:41.820 schools, to distort history and biology, and to push evil lies on our students.
00:01:47.900 President Biden put himself on that ticket this November because he's a radical Democrat,
00:01:54.300 doing the bidding of Marxist Dem puppet masters intent on the destruction of this country and 0.87
00:02:00.160 all it stands for, because he is unfit to hold the presidency, he is impaired, and an incalculable
00:02:07.880 risk to our national security and the American way of life.
00:02:12.260 And poll after poll shows the American people have awakened to just who he is, what he is,
00:02:19.460 and what he intends.
00:02:21.320 Almost 8 in 10 Americans say the country is headed in the wrong direction.
00:02:26.340 Only 18 percent of Biden's own party want him to run for re-election.
00:02:32.440 Hispanics, blacks, and women are turning to the Republican Party,
00:02:36.480 and young voters are less than enthusiastic about Biden.
00:02:40.880 Ninety-four percent of Democrat primary voters under the age of 29 want the Dems to nominate
00:02:49.060 someone other than Biden to run in 2024.
00:02:53.260 Almost everyone in America, according to the latest polling, are woke now, awoke, awakened to
00:03:00.600 the insanity that has gripped the Democrat Party and the madness of Joe Biden's White House.
00:03:06.480 The New York Post reporting that Hunter met with his father, either at the White House or the
00:03:12.260 Vice Presidential residence, 30 times from 2008 to 2016.
00:03:18.880 And in at least 21 of those meetings, Hunter's business partner, Eric Swerwin, was an invitee as well.
00:03:27.500 And of course, we're all waiting to see if there are any developments in what is now the
00:03:31.680 four-year-long federal investigation of Hunter.
00:03:34.860 What are the odds there will be a development before the midterm elections?
00:03:39.040 Not likely.
00:03:40.200 We're talking the Bidens and the D.C. swamp, aren't we?
00:03:44.100 So it's not likely at all, at least in my opinion.
00:03:48.140 Let's bring in now the terrific journalist who's been on the Biden laptop story from the beginning.
00:03:53.700 Broken Moore stories, and she wrote the best-selling book, The Laptop from Hell. 0.99
00:03:58.680 Our guest today is the outstanding New York Post star columnist, the great Miranda Devine.
00:04:04.960 It's great to have you with us.
00:04:06.300 Let's start with President Biden going soft on China.
00:04:10.240 The man's truly compromised in almost every imaginable direction, isn't he?
00:04:15.980 Thank you, Lou Dobbs.
00:04:17.060 I love being on your show.
00:04:18.120 So, yes, he is, or at least, you know, there is overwhelming evidence to suggest he is,
00:04:25.540 and it's up to him to dispel our doubts and our suspicions.
00:04:30.100 And up till now, all that Joe Biden does is enhance our suspicions by going soft on China,
00:04:36.800 by refusing to engage on any of the questions that the media has for him about his involvement in his son
00:04:46.380 and his brother's overseas business dealings, particularly with China.
00:04:50.620 And the White House just keeps stonewalling and ignoring the story,
00:04:54.680 calling Hunter Biden's abandoned laptop, the alleged laptop, saying they're not going to talk about it.
00:05:01.340 But this isn't about a laptop, and it's not even about Hunter Biden.
00:05:05.700 It is about the president of the United States, and it's about America's national security.
00:05:11.360 What does China have on him for the tens of millions of dollars that they gave his family?
00:05:18.180 Well, it's a great question, and a lot of answers apparently are being found.
00:05:24.360 We are hearing stories now that the folks on 4chan managed to get into Hunter Biden's cloud.
00:05:32.960 This could even be a richer vein to follow than the gift that keeps giving, the laptop from hell, Hunter's laptop.
00:05:46.500 Yeah, no, they're not into the cloud because that is illegal,
00:05:50.120 and I really doubt very much that anyone has hacked into Hunter Biden's cloud.
00:05:55.380 It would be, I'm sure that as soon as his father became president
00:05:59.840 and the security people would have made sure that the password was protected.
00:06:05.100 And anyway, it is illegal, so I don't think that's being done.
00:06:08.300 What this 4chan drop is, is the iPhone backup that is on the laptop that was encrypted,
00:06:15.540 and therefore we were, I mean, we could have because we know the password,
00:06:20.260 but we were advised legally not to access it.
00:06:24.360 But others have taken the risk and have done that.
00:06:27.580 And Marco Polo being this sort of research outfitter guy called Garrett Ziegler
00:06:33.140 has been doing really very detailed forensic work,
00:06:36.640 and he has a report coming out into the laptop,
00:06:39.760 which will pretty much answer everyone's questions.
00:06:42.840 He already accessed that iPhone backup about a month ago,
00:06:46.680 and he's been selectively leaking bits of it to us,
00:06:50.500 to the Daily Mail, and to the Sun newspaper.
00:06:53.680 And that's where you saw, for instance, the voicemail from Joe Biden,
00:06:58.800 leaving a voicemail in 2018 for Hunter,
00:07:02.220 expressing relief that a New York Times article,
00:07:05.020 which was about one of their Chinese partners,
00:07:07.500 had basically barely mentioned Hunter and Uncle Jim and didn't mention Joe.
00:07:13.800 So that was a piece of gold, which also shows, you know,
00:07:20.220 the world, I guess, that Joe Biden was lying when he said he knew nothing
00:07:23.740 about his son Hunter's business dealings.
00:07:26.060 He said to Hunter on that voicemail, I think you're clear.
00:07:29.460 So, and it's relief because that Chinese company 1.00
00:07:33.300 that the New York Times was writing about back in 2018,
00:07:36.620 CEFC, was the one that Joe Biden was supposed to get a cut of the deal on,
00:07:41.180 10% for the big guy.
00:07:42.820 So he was involved up to his neck.
00:07:45.900 And look, you know, there may be nothing too nefarious in this,
00:07:50.180 but he needs to be open and sit down for an interview in good faith
00:07:56.520 and answer all the questions that we, or it doesn't have to be asked,
00:08:00.340 somebody else asks him about his involvement in Hunter
00:08:03.820 and Jim Biden's business deals with China, with Russia,
00:08:08.180 with Kazakhstan, Romania, Ukraine.
00:08:12.020 You know, it is obvious corruption,
00:08:14.700 whether or not it's illegal is another matter.
00:08:17.280 But Joe Biden can't just leave these questions unanswered
00:08:21.180 when there's just so much evidence coming out every day
00:08:24.760 from the laptop, from the iPhone backup, from the iPad backup.
00:08:29.540 It's just unsustainable for them to keep stonewalling. 0.86
00:08:34.720 Yeah, and it's unacceptable, but here we are,
00:08:37.560 four years of investigation by a federal grand jury of Hunter Biden,
00:08:43.820 and we've got nothing.
00:08:45.100 We have an attorney general in 2020
00:08:47.700 declining to intervene in the elections,
00:08:50.580 and he knew all of the lies that are contained within,
00:08:54.820 proof of the lies that are contained within that laptop,
00:08:58.360 and the lies perpetrated by 51 of our most esteemed intelligence officials
00:09:08.040 who lied through their teeth by insinuation,
00:09:11.560 declaring that it was Russian disinformation.
00:09:14.180 I mean, this, and no one wants to find out,
00:09:16.240 no one will pursue those 51.
00:09:18.500 No one will pursue what was known.
00:09:21.580 It's a, and I'm talking about journalistically,
00:09:24.040 I'm not even talking about prosecutorial pursuit.
00:09:27.980 We are at a point where, frankly,
00:09:31.840 denial and cover-up seems to be the most workable strategy of all
00:09:37.220 in tough times like these, certainly for the Biden family.
00:09:41.640 Look, Lou, you're so right.
00:09:43.060 The latest cover-up comes from Janet Yellen in the Treasury Department.
00:09:49.060 You know, there are 150 suspicious activity reports already
00:09:53.360 that the Republicans that Chuck Grasley and Ron Johnson
00:09:56.420 have managed to get from the Treasury Department,
00:09:59.200 which they're fully entitled to,
00:10:01.060 which show these suspicious transactions between Hunter Biden,
00:10:06.400 Jim Biden, the President's brother,
00:10:08.860 and various of their business partners,
00:10:10.880 and the Bank of China or Burisma or, you know,
00:10:14.880 various Chinese companies that they were involved in.
00:10:18.240 And these were flagged by banks like JPMorgan Chase
00:10:22.500 as being problematic because they could be either,
00:10:26.440 in one case, you know, they could be corruption,
00:10:28.480 they could be improper influence of a politically exposed person,
00:10:33.020 which is how they describe Hunter Biden
00:10:35.040 because of his father being vice president.
00:10:36.900 Or also there is one suspicious activity report
00:10:40.760 that I've seen reported on today talking about sex trafficking
00:10:44.140 of some of these prostitutes that have come from Eastern Europe, 0.95
00:10:47.000 particularly from Russia.
00:10:48.860 And so these suspicious activity reports really allowed Grasley
00:10:53.440 and Johnson in their excellent Senate investigation
00:10:56.000 to map out part of the money trail,
00:10:59.560 follow the money that goes from China, Ukraine, Romania, Russia,
00:11:04.440 into Biden family and associate bank accounts in America.
00:11:08.940 And we're talking about millions of dollars.
00:11:11.640 And suddenly we find James Comer,
00:11:14.560 who's the ranking member of the House Oversight Committee,
00:11:18.160 he's tried to get some more of these suspicious activity reports, SARS,
00:11:24.300 and the Treasury Department has blocked him and said no,
00:11:28.200 that they can't access it unless they get the permission
00:11:31.280 of the Democrats.
00:11:32.560 Can you believe it as if?
00:11:34.280 So that is the Treasury Department, Janet Yellen,
00:11:38.620 specifically intervening in the lawful congressional oversight
00:11:43.340 of these very serious matters.
00:11:45.760 So that's the latest cover-up.
00:11:48.660 But as you said, the 51, those former intelligence officials, 0.87
00:11:53.160 what a disgrace they are.
00:11:55.260 And, you know, to think that many of them, 0.69
00:11:58.260 most of them still have security clearances is appalling.
00:12:02.000 And the good news is that Donald Trump has now commissioned a lawyer
00:12:07.600 to start going after those 51.
00:12:11.100 And his first port of call is that he's written letters
00:12:14.300 to all their agencies, whether it be the CIA, the NSA,
00:12:18.640 whatever intelligence outfit they were from,
00:12:21.260 and to inquire whether these people got security clearance,
00:12:26.140 which they are required to do for every time they make any utterance
00:12:30.220 or write anything that draws on their previous security clearance
00:12:35.920 and their knowledge of classified information to see if they asked
00:12:39.940 for that clearance.
00:12:40.760 Now, he knows they didn't because the turnaround time between us
00:12:45.360 at the New York Post publishing our first story and that letter
00:12:49.220 from the dirty 51, I call them, coming out, claiming it was Russian, 1.00
00:12:54.060 had all the hallmarks of Russian disinformation, that was four days.
00:12:58.260 That was not enough time for those agencies.
00:13:00.400 It takes them months to give security clearances.
00:13:04.680 Let's go back to the chronology there.
00:13:07.720 Now, my memory is it was middle of October.
00:13:11.440 October 14, yeah, 2020, three weeks before the election.
00:13:15.340 And then we had a compression of time.
00:13:18.740 The second debate, which turned out to be the final debate,
00:13:22.240 was the 19th, and I believe that's correct.
00:13:25.000 That was five days they had to do a turnaround to get that shield
00:13:30.080 for Joe Biden in that debate.
00:13:33.580 That's how quickly they had to work.
00:13:36.620 I think that's pretty amazing, that kind of a clock that was running,
00:13:42.260 the urgency.
00:13:43.580 And then as soon as the story is published by the Post,
00:13:50.460 the hammer came down.
00:13:51.860 I have to tell you, we were all, I can remember those hours vividly
00:13:57.500 because it was breathtaking to see the shutdown of that story.
00:14:03.400 It was as if a black curtain fell around everything to do with it.
00:14:09.260 Your memories of that?
00:14:11.500 Lou, it was really frightening.
00:14:13.600 We knew that this was a high-stakes story just before the election,
00:14:18.960 and we were girding our loins for, you know, attacks.
00:14:23.840 And we knew that the New York Times and Washington Post
00:14:26.460 would probably ignore it and introduce our reporting. 0.95
00:14:29.500 But what we weren't prepared for was the intervention of big tech,
00:14:35.060 so heavy-handed.
00:14:36.400 I mean, they showed their claws.
00:14:39.080 They showed their faces.
00:14:40.660 You know, normally they're doing manipulation behind the scenes,
00:14:44.460 very shadowy.
00:14:45.220 You can't really prove it.
00:14:46.180 But this was, they had to do it so urgently that they showed themselves.
00:14:51.240 And I think that shocked the country.
00:14:53.700 And the ramifications are still being felt.
00:14:56.740 I think they did themselves great damage,
00:14:58.520 but they obviously decided that it was worth it to save Joe Biden,
00:15:04.340 or really what they were doing was to destroy Donald Trump
00:15:06.860 and make sure he didn't win the election.
00:15:08.720 That was their existential cause.
00:15:10.720 And so immediately you had Twitter and Facebook, you know,
00:15:15.540 Twitter shut down our account for the next two weeks
00:15:18.560 until a few days before the election.
00:15:21.600 They would not allow us to disseminate the story like we normally do.
00:15:26.960 And, you know, even people like Kayleigh McEnany,
00:15:30.340 who tried to share the story in her direct messages privately
00:15:33.840 with one other person, she got suspended for doing that.
00:15:37.060 So they were really determined that that story would be strangled at birth.
00:15:41.640 They did it.
00:15:42.700 From memory, we kept, normally we put our stories out the night before,
00:15:47.300 like 10pm.
00:15:48.460 We kept this until 5.30am on the 14th.
00:15:51.620 And within hours, I think three or four hours,
00:15:55.020 the guns had come in and the doors had shut.
00:15:59.260 And this was kind of an interim fig leaf for the rest of the media
00:16:06.180 not to cover the story because they sort of thought, well,
00:16:10.840 if, you know, if Twitter and Facebook are saying this is hacked material
00:16:14.240 or this needs to be fact-checked, then we're not going to touch it
00:16:17.980 with a barge pole.
00:16:18.740 This gives us an excuse not to.
00:16:21.160 And that would have only lasted for, you know, for a week.
00:16:24.800 But I'm sure and I know that there was some people looking at it.
00:16:32.060 CNN, though, Jeff Zucker instructed his news executives,
00:16:35.540 do not follow up the New York Post story.
00:16:38.040 This stuff is all old.
00:16:39.600 We already know about it, which was a lie.
00:16:42.000 And then, so the Dirty 51, John Brennan led the charge
00:16:46.420 to create this document, this lying document.
00:16:49.040 And that arrived just in time, leaked to Politico,
00:16:54.000 and that gave the ironclad fig leaf to the rest of the media.
00:16:57.860 Now they could say, we are not going to be party
00:17:00.100 to spreading Russian disinformation.
00:17:02.400 Therefore, we can, in all good conscience, ignore the story.
00:17:05.940 And, of course, that letter came just in time for Joe Biden
00:17:09.620 to get up on the stage against Donald Trump in the debate.
00:17:13.320 And Donald Trump, of course, raises the laptop. 0.78
00:17:17.100 He says, they're saying you're corrupt, Joe.
00:17:20.520 And Joe Biden just turns it back on Donald Trump
00:17:23.600 and says the intelligence community, not true,
00:17:27.520 has now declared this is Russian disinformation. 0.93
00:17:30.940 You're the one who's corrupt. 0.62
00:17:32.400 You're the one who's compromised by China. 0.67
00:17:34.760 And, you know, he got away with it because the media was complicit.
00:17:39.800 He got away with it in large measure, if not total,
00:17:44.080 because of William Barr, the attorney general.
00:17:47.100 Who knew he was lying, knew the 51 were lying, 1.00
00:17:50.440 and knew the facts around Hunter Biden.
00:17:54.200 And yet, because they'd been in his possession for almost a year,
00:17:58.180 his possession, the possession of the Justice Department,
00:18:00.780 for that entire period.
00:18:03.520 They knew exactly what was in it.
00:18:05.840 And then for the attorney general to make that decision not to intervene looks highly suspicious
00:18:14.540 when you look at the coordination with the rest of the, if you will,
00:18:18.480 deep state, permanent bureaucracy, Marxist, Democrat Party complex,
00:18:24.980 because they acted as one.
00:18:27.520 There was, I mean, that was suffocating.
00:18:31.160 That moment, that spark took all of the oxygen off the continent when it came to that story.
00:18:38.580 And he, William Barr, had the opportunity to say no.
00:18:44.820 And I cannot imagine how he could rationalize not saying no.
00:18:49.440 No, we have to understand that these 51 people don't know the facts.
00:18:57.300 Well, they never asked.
00:18:59.660 We would have given them the laptop if they wanted to look at it,
00:19:02.080 or the hard drive we had.
00:19:04.080 They never asked for it.
00:19:05.860 They had it.
00:19:06.440 Well, not the 51.
00:19:09.040 They didn't have it.
00:19:10.160 Okay.
00:19:10.880 I thought you said he.
00:19:12.100 I apologize.
00:19:13.140 No, no.
00:19:13.460 The 51 did not, they did not inspect the laptop.
00:19:16.360 They made their expert decision based on nothing except wishful thinking.
00:19:22.500 And because they blame Russia, Russia, Russia for everything.
00:19:25.780 But just to get back to Bill Barr, he did do something.
00:19:28.760 He got John Ratcliffe to look into it and to make a statement,
00:19:33.700 which was ignored by the media.
00:19:35.520 And John Ratcliffe said it was not Russian disinformation,
00:19:38.860 that this is not true, that there's no evidence before the intelligence community
00:19:42.820 to say that Russia had anything to do with the laptop.
00:19:46.100 Now, that should have killed the letter from the 51 stone dead right then. 0.97
00:19:51.240 But it didn't because New York Times, Washington Post, Politico, the rest of them,
00:19:56.160 they wanted to elevate the letter from the 51 because it suited their purposes to protect
00:20:02.680 Joe Biden and to ensure that their preferred candidate won the election and that their hated, 0.93
00:20:10.360 loathsome, you know, villain, Donald Trump, lost. 0.57
00:20:13.560 And we know that that had a material difference on the election because there was a poll done
00:20:19.840 by the Media Research Centre after the election, which showed that something like 60% of Joe
00:20:25.340 Biden voters did not know about the laptop.
00:20:28.040 And then a good proportion of them, maybe 20%, 13%, right.
00:20:34.920 I've heard 17%, 13% would have changed their vote if they had known about the corruption on that laptop.
00:20:41.600 It would have changed the outcome.
00:20:42.540 It would have changed the outcome because, you know, a handful of battleground states, it's a few thousand votes.
00:20:48.380 That would have changed it.
00:20:49.760 So when you talk about a rigged election, the Democrats left nothing to chance.
00:20:55.100 They had a dozen different ways that they were going to skew the playing field.
00:21:01.060 And if only one or two of them came off, they were going to score big.
00:21:05.740 And the laptop was one of them.
00:21:07.540 That was the October surprise that they were sort of preparing for.
00:21:11.540 So I am sure that big tech, that they'd had meetings beforehand of how to deal with any kind of surprise like this that came up.
00:21:21.820 So that's why they were able to act so quickly and so decisively.
00:21:26.560 Do you agree with President Trump that Bill Barr lied when he said he had out of an investigation and knew that there was no problem with the election?
00:21:35.840 No, I don't.
00:21:37.260 Yeah, nor do I.
00:21:38.320 And I think he lied through his teeth.
00:21:39.720 But also, he had an obligation, in my opinion.
00:21:43.440 He didn't.
00:21:44.880 Why in the world the U.S. Attorney General would turn to the NDI and say, you know, I need you to voice something on this issue?
00:21:55.980 The NDI doesn't have investigative agencies working for him either.
00:21:59.920 He would have to reach to the CIA, to any one of 17 intelligence agencies, for him to have an answer that would be empirical in basis.
00:22:09.660 So I don't – I just find this whole thing suspicious.
00:22:13.860 And it looks like a Barr cover-up of his cover-up is what it looks like to me.
00:22:18.340 Look, I –
00:22:19.940 And I know that's a direct talk.
00:22:21.020 I disagree.
00:22:22.400 I just want to say, I know it makes you uncomfortable.
00:22:25.060 But it's –
00:22:25.500 No, I'm not uncomfortable with direct talk at all, Lou.
00:22:28.740 I just – I disagree with you about Bill Barr.
00:22:31.780 I don't think he lied.
00:22:33.360 I do not think he lied.
00:22:34.680 But I think that he was in a terrible position.
00:22:39.460 He asked his department to look into these allegations of fraud.
00:22:43.740 And, you know, I love Rudy Giuliani.
00:22:46.340 But unfortunately, he was trying to grapple with too much.
00:22:52.260 It was too much.
00:22:53.740 They didn't do a good job.
00:22:55.500 They went to the courts.
00:22:56.720 They didn't have evidence and suffice to convince the courts.
00:23:01.940 They literally had nothing.
00:23:03.540 I mean, they had a lot of smoke.
00:23:05.180 There was no fire.
00:23:06.100 It's only now, you know, you're talking about, you know, 18 months later, that we've got some very good evidence coming out.
00:23:14.860 I mean, the Wisconsin Supreme Court has just said that those drop boxes were illegal.
00:23:20.380 We had Dinesh D'Souza's excellent movie, 2000 Mules, with that amazing geospatial location of those drop boxes.
00:23:30.380 I mean, the drop boxes themselves were just a travesty.
00:23:35.320 The abuse of mail-in ballots was a travesty.
00:23:38.840 And where I criticize the Republican Party is that Donald Trump was sounding the alarm from the beginning of 2020.
00:23:46.900 He was saying, and in fact, so was Bill Barr, saying that mail-in voting is, as everyone knows in the whole world, is susceptible to fraud.
00:23:56.260 That's why France doesn't allow it.
00:23:58.000 That's why Australia only has it for absentee ballot.
00:24:01.000 You have to prove why you need it.
00:24:03.060 Mail-in balloting has to be, you can't just send out bulk mail-in ballots.
00:24:08.160 That's just inviting fraud.
00:24:10.420 And so, but the problem is, once the horse is out of the stable, it is impossible to put it back.
00:24:21.120 And so, I think that, you know, rather than dwelling on the myriad ways that the 2020 election was rigged,
00:24:29.620 the Republicans need to do a lot better than they did in 2020 when they didn't even appear at court,
00:24:37.220 when the Democrats sent their best lawyers to go and change election rules under cover of the pandemic,
00:24:43.820 the Republicans went missing.
00:24:45.620 Where was, you know, where was the GOP?
00:24:48.900 And they let down the American people.
00:24:51.220 They let down Donald Trump.
00:24:52.360 And I don't think it's fair after the fact to be blaming Bill Barr.
00:24:57.440 I mean, I think it's the GOP apparatus.
00:24:59.840 And Rona McDaniel, who was in charge then, is still in charge.
00:25:03.760 Now, as you said, you don't have any problem with direct talk.
00:25:07.440 And you know I don't either.
00:25:09.420 By the way, what I was talking about, you being uncomfortable with,
00:25:12.060 is Bill Barr and his role in this, not direct talk.
00:25:16.400 I respect you highly, and you wouldn't be, you and I wouldn't be talking if you were even so much as a little bit timid about direct talk.
00:25:25.120 But here's the real deal.
00:25:28.200 We were told by so many of these people, including, by the way, the Republicans, that there's nothing irregular here.
00:25:35.500 These anomalies that you witnessed on television live just didn't happen.
00:25:40.000 But I am asking for investigations at the time, in the moment.
00:25:46.360 I'm asking for investigations.
00:25:48.800 You and I agree.
00:25:49.900 Bill Barr lied when he told Trump that he had had no basis whatsoever.
00:25:55.160 No, I don't agree.
00:25:56.240 I don't agree.
00:25:56.740 Oh, I thought you said that you did agree that he lied.
00:25:59.300 No, no, I do not agree that Bill Barr lied.
00:26:01.660 I think he's a man of integrity.
00:26:02.880 Okay, so then we've got to correct the record because I said to you, do you believe that he actually had an investigation done of that election?
00:26:12.480 And you said you don't.
00:26:14.540 I understood you to say that you agreed that he did.
00:26:18.460 Well, he did.
00:26:19.460 He told the DOJ to look into the allegations.
00:26:22.320 For instance, I think he said, I've read his book from memory.
00:26:26.320 He said that there were allegations of, you know, the suitcase allegation, for instance, and the truck allegation, you know, trucks coming in.
00:26:37.940 Pennsylvania and the other in Georgia.
00:26:43.280 Right.
00:26:44.060 So they looked into that and they found there was nothing untoward about either of those situations.
00:26:49.620 Discreet allegations they did investigate and every one of them turned out to be faulty.
00:26:55.020 Now, I think.
00:26:56.460 Did you ever see the report on that, by the way?
00:26:59.280 On which one?
00:27:00.180 The suitcase?
00:27:00.760 Any of them.
00:27:01.520 Did you ever see an FBI report on any of their investigations on any of that?
00:27:05.880 No, no.
00:27:06.140 No, true.
00:27:06.580 Nor did I.
00:27:07.340 Nor did any other journalists in the country.
00:27:09.940 But the problem is I think we're getting hung up by, you know, visuals.
00:27:15.900 Like, for instance, people say things like, you know, there's no way because Joe Biden never had anyone at his rallies and Donald Trump had lots of people.
00:27:26.540 There's no way that Joe Biden got 81 million votes.
00:27:29.400 You can't say something like that.
00:27:31.100 It's illogical.
00:27:31.840 It is possible for Joe Biden to get 81 million votes if the Democrats, as we see they did, ballot harvested crazily and made up ballots.
00:27:41.740 If they cheated.
00:27:42.400 If they cheated.
00:27:43.800 Of course.
00:27:44.680 But that's the discussion.
00:27:46.900 I mean, we can't have it both ways here, Miranda.
00:27:49.560 Either they cheated or they did.
00:27:52.040 Either they had a rigged election or they didn't.
00:27:54.480 I'm not talking about illegality.
00:27:56.160 I'm not talking about filing charges or restoring Donald Trump to the presidency.
00:28:02.100 But we have to look honestly and directly at what the hell happened. 1.00
00:28:08.000 And what happened is the Republicans got outsmarted and most of the state houses got outwitted and played for fools and suckers. 1.00
00:28:17.880 Okay. 1.00
00:28:18.120 Exactly.
00:28:18.460 Whether it was Zuckerberg money or whether it is ballot harvesting in Georgia or Wisconsin.
00:28:24.920 Exactly.
00:28:26.680 But we don't need to go to these crazy stories about suitcases and which took all the, and about, you know, voting machines.
00:28:35.500 And so I agree with you that the election was rigged in, you know, a dozen ways by the Democrats, whether it be drop boxes or, you know, ballot harvesting, rigging the election rules, you know, unfettered mail-in voting, et cetera.
00:28:52.100 But unfortunately, and the Zuckerberg bucks, you know, outrages.
00:28:57.600 Unfortunately, all the oxygen got taken in those early days by just wild theories that had no basis.
00:29:05.120 And, you know, they were sort of dramatic, whether it be, you know, Sidney Powell talking about Dominion voting machines and Chinese intervention and the Kraken is going to be released, which never was released.
00:29:19.620 And some crazy guy on a pig farm in the Philippines somewhere.
00:29:23.060 And, you know, just, and, and like in the middle of the night, a ballot dump, none of that just ever bore any resemblance to reality.
00:29:34.020 Can I interject because I'm one of those people talking with Sidney Powell, talking with Rudy Giuliani and people need to recall.
00:29:42.660 But Giuliani was sensible.
00:29:44.280 He didn't go down that crazy track, by the way, he said, I don't know anything about machines.
00:29:49.120 And he just, he just exactly didn't talk about it.
00:29:51.980 Yeah.
00:29:52.780 But some of what he said was true and some of it was material, but it doesn't even matter.
00:29:59.440 Now, Sidney Powell is the person who got a general Flynn out of his legal mess.
00:30:07.840 And she was brilliant.
00:30:09.020 And she was brilliant.
00:30:10.260 She had immense standing at that moment in time.
00:30:13.880 She threw, I'll use a different expression than I was about to. 0.99
00:30:18.780 She threw it in all away because of the, of her statements that couldn't be corroborated a single one about those machines.
00:30:28.060 But the fact is, these people had a right to say what they're saying.
00:30:33.160 And, you know, they had every, you know, whatever the reason was, whatever their motivation was, it was, it took them away.
00:30:43.680 I think is your point, took them away from the reality that was easily demonstrable.
00:30:48.980 That is Zuckerberg money, the ballot harvesting.
00:30:54.180 And, you know, poor Dinesh D'Souza is still going around trying to explain people to people geospatial tracking.
00:31:01.660 So it's, if all had been done in the moment, you know, history again might have been reversed.
00:31:10.580 But it was very difficult.
00:31:12.120 You see, you know, the geospatial tracking, the work that they did getting the security camera footage and matching it up to the mules at the drop boxes.
00:31:20.280 I mean, that is months and months of painstaking work.
00:31:23.320 There just wasn't enough time between, you know, November 3 and January 20.
00:31:29.160 And, you know, and good on the valiant people.
00:31:32.880 Like, I think Rudy Giuliani is, you know, a hero, an American patriot for going above and beyond to try and stand up some of these cases.
00:31:43.440 But it was really a lost cause, I think.
00:31:45.960 And I think the mistake was to keep it going beyond, you know, the Georgia.
00:31:50.640 We should have just been concentrating on the Georgia Senate election.
00:31:54.060 And if the Republicans had won those two seats, the country would not be in as bad shape as it is now.
00:32:00.980 So I think that a lot of mistakes were made.
00:32:03.540 The January 6, you know, Capitol riot, that's all it was, a couple of hours of riot.
00:32:08.080 That was a tragedy.
00:32:08.980 There are people still in jail who've done nothing wrong, have committed no violence.
00:32:14.140 The Democrats may weaponize that.
00:32:16.720 Wait, wait, wait.
00:32:17.400 Yeah.
00:32:18.200 That is political persecution on the part of the Marxist Dems who run the Democrats.
00:32:22.480 Absolutely.
00:32:23.660 It is.
00:32:24.280 You know, and the fact that Republicans haven't done more to extricate them from that is another tragedy.
00:32:32.120 It is.
00:32:32.780 That's right.
00:32:33.320 And this is, again, it's Republican inaction. 0.99
00:32:35.800 Republican inaction and stupidity in early 2020 when the Democrats were just systematically, stealthily changing election law in the battleground states. 0.99
00:32:47.820 And they just went missing or they sent hopeless lawyers. 0.99
00:32:51.040 And then continuing through that year, while Donald Trump is warning about ballot harvesting, they just were afraid of being called racist because the Democrats managed to frame all this sort of, you know, vote, get out the vote stuff as some sort of a racial thing.
00:33:09.400 And they just got spooked by that and no one wanted to touch it.
00:33:14.400 And they don't have those lawyers who are willing to just battle to the death for them like the Democrats do.
00:33:20.320 And they've also got the media who is ready to destroy anybody who assists them.
00:33:26.620 So what I'm just very hopeful, and you see it in some of these states where they have tightened up voter integrity, that this can't happen again.
00:33:38.000 But I would not, you know, the Democrats will have some other dirty trick that they'll pull out before the midterms.
00:33:44.080 Who knows, maybe another pandemic, maybe, you know, another COVID lockdown.
00:33:47.360 Well, we do know, for instance, going to the point you're making here, right now we're seeing the uptick in the Omicron variant, the latest.
00:34:00.820 And now we're getting prepared for masks to return in New York City and a few other places around the country.
00:34:07.520 It looks like they're readying the battlefield, conditioning the battlefield for what is to come.
00:34:14.440 So that may indeed that pandemic, too, may be in the offing if the Dems have their way and they have so much power that they could very well have their way.
00:34:24.720 But I agree with you.
00:34:26.360 This is I don't feel that we should be talking about 2020 in terms of reversing history.
00:34:32.280 I think, though, we should be talking about it to understand why the Republican Party didn't do more, why there wasn't greater animation on the part of every statehouse in the country to make certain that those local elections were disciplined, orderly and and not rigged at the very least.
00:34:52.500 Let me let me do this.
00:34:54.240 I know that you're pressed for time here.
00:34:55.780 I want to say how much fun it is to talk with you.
00:34:59.080 Yeah, you too.
00:34:59.980 Always, we always find something to to debate.
00:35:04.860 We can do and we can and we have and we both have a good time debating, as we call it on Bill Barr.
00:35:13.420 How do you respond to the idea that he had an obligation to inform the public that he knew Joe Biden was lying?
00:35:20.460 About about about the Russian disinformation.
00:35:28.620 Maybe he should have.
00:35:30.000 Yeah, I agree.
00:35:31.120 I mean, it's one thing to put out John Ratcliffe, the DNI, to say that the intelligence community says this is not true.
00:35:39.420 It would have had more impact if Bill Barr had stood up and said categorically that this is not true.
00:35:46.180 I agree with you.
00:35:47.840 I don't I feel like I think Bill Barr is a good guy.
00:35:52.720 I think it's very hard managing the DOJ.
00:35:55.840 There's a lot of, as we say, you know, swampy creatures in there.
00:36:00.320 And I think he was trying to keep a lid on it and trying to manage them.
00:36:04.900 And he he was demonized to within an inch of his life as well.
00:36:08.860 I mean, I remember just reading pieces about him in The New York Times, which was so off base and cruel and dishonest, traducing him early on.
00:36:20.200 You mean like Trump had to suffer every day of his presence?
00:36:23.900 Exactly, exactly, exactly.
00:36:26.180 You have a strong man and you have a weak man.
00:36:29.620 Yeah.
00:36:29.920 Well, you have a man who's who's not.
00:36:32.440 I mean, who is like Trump?
00:36:33.980 I don't I don't know that there's any other human being on the planet who can withstand the, you know, the arrows of cruelty that he has.
00:36:44.240 And not just that.
00:36:45.360 It's not just the demonizing of him and the mocking of him and so on.
00:36:49.700 It's also the legal warfare against his family and him.
00:36:53.880 He had blood running down his arms from cuts and arrows and slings that were perpetual, that were incessant throughout his presidency before and after now his presidency.
00:37:12.700 It's it's really something to behold the strength the man has demonstrated over what is now six years of that persecution.
00:37:21.180 Like we say, we can't restore him, but we sure as hell can at least speak the truth about what happened to him.
00:37:28.760 And I appreciate you for doing so and doing so every day on the New York Post.
00:37:34.900 And Miranda, I just want to say again, thank you.
00:37:37.420 You get the last word. 0.84
00:37:38.700 I'll shut up. 0.67
00:37:39.840 Thank you, Lou.
00:37:40.900 And it's always fantastic to talk to you.
00:37:43.060 I love it.
00:37:43.440 And I'm just going to end on an optimistic note, not to be a Pollyanna, but I think that after November, if let's hope the Republicans get back, not just the House, but the Senate, I think we're going to see the damage that Joe Biden's been doing to the country arrested.
00:38:02.220 And we're going to see some accountability and we are going to, I think, get the country started back on track.
00:38:11.420 And and look, the most important thing, I think, at the moment is the border.
00:38:14.840 We just have to have to close the border, have to stop this flood of this invasion that's happening at the moment. 0.59
00:38:22.480 And so let's hope the Republicans can do something there.
00:38:25.340 Well, Attorney General Ken Paxton and the Governor Greg Abbott taking the first steps to do so in the in the state of Texas.
00:38:33.220 Let's hope they get it done.
00:38:35.360 Miranda, you always get it done.
00:38:37.340 We appreciate you being with us here.
00:38:39.540 Look forward to our next debate.
00:38:41.760 Thanks.
00:38:42.180 Thanks, Lou.
00:38:44.020 Thanks, Miranda Devine.
00:38:45.460 And thanks, everybody, for being with us here today.
00:38:48.500 Tomorrow, our guest will be a historian who's made a lot of history of his own.
00:38:53.080 Newt Gingrich will be joined by the former Speaker of the House, the outstanding author of the terrific new book,
00:38:59.300 Defeating Big Government Socialism, Saving America's Future.
00:39:04.220 Newt's with us here on The Great America Show tomorrow.
00:39:07.340 Please join us.
00:39:08.180 Till then, God bless you and God bless America.