WHAT IF CONGRESS KILLED FISA?
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Sen. Dick Durbin blocks a subpoena of Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs. President Trump has no regrets about skipping the final Republican primary debate of the 2020 election cycle. He used a town hall with Fox News host Sean Hannity to speak directly to the voters.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to The Great America Show. Great to have you with us
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today. Why would Republicans give the corrupt FBI and Department of Justice the power all over again
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to spy on them as they have already done and to spy on all of us as they have already and give them a
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new building to boot? What's next? We take up that question here today. President Trump skipped the
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final GOP debate of the 2024 election cycle last night, just like he has from the very beginning.
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And oh, is the punishment severe. President Trump has only a 50-point lead over the bunch.
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The stage was left to the final four, or the quad if you prefer, all soon to be crushed in the
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primaries. Nikki Haley, Ron DeSantis, Chris Christie, Vivek Brahmaswamy. Trump used the night to do a town
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hall with Fox's Sean Hannity, where he spoke directly to the voters and not the special
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interest and mega donors who are throwing their money away instead of supporting the most popular
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improved candidate of them all, namely President Donald Trump, the only one who can straighten out
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the mess the elites and the Marxist Dems have made of this country. The corporate media, the mainstream
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media, jetting up another phony narrative. They're afraid Trump's second term in office will be all
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about retribution, and he'll behave just like a dictator. In other words, just like Joe Biden in
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that respect. Here's President Trump's reaction to that preposterous nonsense.
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Issue, though, because the media has been focused on this and attacking you under no circumstances.
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You are promising America tonight. You would never abuse power as retribution against anybody.
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Except for day one. Except for? He's going crazy. Except for day one. Meaning? I want to close the
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border and I want to drill, drill, drill. That's not retribution. I'm going to be, I'm going to be,
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you know, he keeps, we love this guy. He says, you're not going to be a dictator, are you? I said,
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no, no, no, no, other than day one. We're closing the border and we're drilling, drilling, drilling.
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After that, I'm not a dictator. That sounds to me like you're going back to the policies when you
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were president. All right. President Trump has lost none of his sense of humor despite it all.
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A very busy week on Capitol Hill. FBI Director Christopher Wray testifying about renewal of
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the FISA 702 and Senator Dick Durbin blocking Senator Marsha Blackburn's request to subpoena
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Jeffrey Epstein's flight logs who flew on the Lolita Express to the, well, the Epstein Island.
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Now, why would a senator, a U.S. senator, want to block the flight logs of a known predator
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who was preying on young girls? When asked just yesterday why he was blocking that release,
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Durbin, well, he's, he must have a cognitive issue or maybe he's just stonewalling.
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Chairman Durbin, can I ask you a quick question? Why won't you subpoena Jeffrey Epstein's flight
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logs? So who are you? Hillary Vaughn with Fox. Fox, of course. I don't know anything about his
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flight logs. Why won't you subpoena them? Why don't you want to know? I don't know the issue. I know
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who Epstein was, but I certainly don't know anything about the issue. Well, he was charged with sex
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trafficking. So why don't you want to know who was utilizing his private plane? Never been raised
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by anyone. Senator Blackburn has wanted to subpoena them and there hasn't been a vote in
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your committee. He said a word to me, not a word. But aren't you curious, like what high profile or
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powerful people might be closeted predators and pedophiles? Does that concern you? Of course.
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So why won't you subpoena them if you can't? It's the first time anyone has raised it. Thank
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you, Fox. Let's end the nonsense. Only the Republicans are trying to tell the American
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people the truth. If you think it's time for Senator Durbin, well, to quit protecting Jeffrey
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Epstein and other pedophiles that Epstein associated with, give the Capitol Hill switchboard a call.
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That's 202-224-3121 and tell them you want to talk to Senator Durbin and talk to him about why
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he is blocking Marsha Blackburn's subpoena request. That number is 202-224-3121.
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And crooked Joe Biden caught once again in another lie. The House Ways and Means Committee revealed
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that as vice president, Joe Biden used email aliases and private email addresses
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to communicate with son Hunter Biden and Hunter's business associates hundreds of times.
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The committee obtained that data from IRS whistleblowers Gary Shapley and Joseph Ziegler,
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revealing Joe Biden used those aliases 320 times during a nine-year period.
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Well, our guest today is founder and editor-in-chief of Just the News, John Solomon. And John,
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great to have you with us. Good to see you, my friend. Give us a sense of what you think is going on
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and your insight into the latest on the Bidens and, oh yes, renewal of the 702.
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Yeah, let's start at the top level at 60,000 feet above earth. Joe Biden looked in the camera,
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winning the presidency by telling the American people, I had nothing to do with my son's business.
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I didn't benefit from my son's business. I didn't have anything to do with any of that. We now know
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that is not true. He lied to us like he did on many other subjects like the laptop and other things.
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But at the highest level, there's an honesty issue now that is laying right in front of the American
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people. And it's why 60% of Americans now, despite Joe Biden's insistence, they believe he did have
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something to do with Hunter Biden's business deals. That's a major change. And what's most striking
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about that change in public sentiment is that it's occurred, even though the mainstream media really
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hasn't covered most of these revelations. So what does that tell you? It means people are getting
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their information around the blockade of the mainstream media. And Joe Biden has an honesty
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problem at its very highest level. Now you begin to work your way down the actual details. And it gets
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complicated because money comes in from China, goes into one account, goes into another account,
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it goes to James Biden, and then it comes back in to Joe Biden in the form of a loan repayment.
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What's interesting about that transaction, which we learned about two weeks ago,
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and the one yesterday where we find out that Joe Biden was getting $1,340 payments from Hunter Biden's
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Owosco law firm is the excuse that the Biden White House and the Hunter Biden defenders have given for
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both transactions. And that is, okay, Joe Biden lent money to his brother and this money came back in.
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Okay, that's important. That happens sometimes. But the money went out of an account that was a legal
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counsel account, meaning an account set aside for legal bills. But when it was repaid to Joe Biden,
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in the case of James Biden, that $40,000 came directly into Joe Biden's personal account.
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There are very serious questions about the tax consequences of that. If you move something
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that's been designated as a legal fund account, and then you give it to your brother as a loan,
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and he pays you back through your personal account, there's a question of whether income was properly
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accounted for from a tax perspective. Exactly the same issue with Hunter Biden. What the
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Hunter Biden defenders are saying is, yeah, contrary to what Joe Biden said before, yes,
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Hunter Biden did pay his father some money. But that's because his father started to pay his truck
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payments. He had a personal truck that he drove around in. He couldn't afford him during the height of
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his cocaine addiction. So Joe Biden paid the truck account. Okay, that sometimes happens in families.
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Families help each other out. Except when Hunter Biden repays the money, he doesn't repay it from
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his personal account. He repays it from his OWASCO law firm corporate account. Again, potential
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conversion of assets from a corporate account to a personal income account. Lawmakers have increasing
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questions about whether Joe Biden was involved in helping his son or him potentially with tax evasion.
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We need to know more details, but that's where the spotlight has been drawn to as a result of these
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revelations. You have to, I have to say, I'm, I guess if the, if it weren't so serious, I'd be amused
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that we have watched this farce go on for five years, a tax investigation by the Internal Revenue
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Service and the FBI, and they haven't done elementary investigation.
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Well, listen, there's so many clear patterns now. And remember, all of these were conspiracy theories
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in 2019 when you and I started talking about it, when I did my original reporting
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from The Hill. The conspiracy theories was Joe Biden had nothing to do with his son's business. Yes,
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he did. Joe Biden never got, Joe Biden's family never got money from China. Yes, he did.
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Nobody believed that these foreign countries were giving up money to Hunter Biden to gain influence
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with his father. Well, actually they did. In fact, last week's document is shocking for one reason.
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This is a document released by a money laundering expert at a major American bank. And what they
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said is, Hey, the money coming in from China, this $5 million forgivable loan from China, which we wrote
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about a couple of years ago. Now Congress has caught up to it. It looks like an effort by the Chinese
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government to gain influence with Joe Biden through his son. That's what the bank saw in real time
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in 2018 and 2017 when these transactions were going on. The fourth thing is Joe Biden never met
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with any of his son's business partners. Yes, he did regularly. He met with the Chinese. He met with
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the Burisma officials. And so I think there are two dozen contacts with either meetings or phone
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contacts that the committee has done. Now, all of that suggests that there was a major influence
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peddling operation going on in the Biden family that also has potential tax consequences,
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potential money laundering consequences. They're no longer conspiracy theories. They are well
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documented, much like they were in 2019. But the media now can't ignore the evidence. The real
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question is, how do we have a Treasury Department, a Justice Department, an FBI that saw all of this
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information coming in all these banks on 170 different occasions? Banks flagged Hunter Biden,
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Joe Biden transactions 170 times. I've talked to a couple of money laundering experts. They said,
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listen, when I had really big money laundering cases, maybe the target had 15 or 20 suspicious
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activity reports. I never saw 170 with one entity or one target of an investigation. All that's coming
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into the Justice Department, the FBI and the Treasury Department, and nobody takes action. By the way,
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a lot of those reports came in when President Trump was president. His own Justice and Treasury
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departments weren't acting upon it. It's why today, Jim Jordan put out a very powerful report showing
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the specialized treatment that Joe Biden and Hunter Biden have gotten from the Justice Department.
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If you ever had any doubt that there was a dual system of justice, and I don't think most Americans
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do anymore. But if you did have a doubt, read Jim Jordan's report today, you will walk away certain
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that there was a dual system of justice. There was a protection racket, and it kept the Bidens from having
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the law applied to them like any other American. And you really touch upon something very important.
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Any American with a sense of fairness, impartiality, and simple curiosity. As you look at this,
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this is not political. This is not partisan at any level in point of fact. The facts speak for
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themselves. These were acts taken by Biden, President Biden, his son, his family, interacting with
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foreign, malign foreign actors, whether they be corporations or whether they be corrupt
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governments or officials. It's straightforward. It is. And I love the James Comer refers to Ian Sam's,
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the sick dog. The Biden White House has put on this to go after Comer and the investigating
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committees. But Comer refers to him as the little weenie fellow over at the White House. And they
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have apparently a phalanx of those to try to say there's no evidence. It's an absurdity, that response
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from the White House. The reason they do it now is because it succeeded so well in 2019. When I wrote
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my original stories at the Hill, there was plenty of evidence. Most of it was from official government
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documents. But the Biden, team Biden has gotten away with this no evidence conspiracy theory thing
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for so long. They're trying it. The problem now is too many people are keen on it. Even mainstream
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reporters, even if they're not reporting it, they are now privately acknowledging when you talk to them,
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well, we got lied to. And you're right. Your story, John, we're right. You know, they were picking
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on me in 2019. Now they come around and say, you're right. And I'm like, well, what are you going to do
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about it? And the answer is, well, maybe we'll write a story someday. There's still a ho-hum nature to it.
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But the reporters know now that Joe Biden lied to all of us.
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We're coming right back with John Solomon. Just the news. We'll be right back.
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We're back with John Solomon, founder of Just the News. By the way, we don't often bring you news
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from the ACLU here, but I think we need to share this headline from the ACLU. ACLU urges Congress to
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oppose attempt to sneak Section 702 reauthorization into the must-pass defense spending bill.
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That's a big one. We're also seeing a lot of people, organizations, some of the watchdog
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organizations say no 702 reauthorization without mandatory warrants for everything.
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John, your take on 702 and what looks to me like from the Senate, a bill that is designed to assure
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the deep state and the Marxist Dems will be able to spy on us day and night whenever they wish at
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Yeah, listen, I started writing about this in 05 and 06 with the Associated Press and then the
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Washington Post. And 15 years, 17, 18, 20 years later, there's still the exact same powers in
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place that were installed after 9-11, despite bipartisan evidence that it has been abused not
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a dozen times or scores of times, which alone would be terrible. If we just had dozens of violations,
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scores, that would be horrific. But we're talking hundreds of thousands of violations every two
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years, according to the data that the FBI submits to the FISA court. It is being abused in a mass way,
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mass surveillance being abused in violation of its own rules in a mass way. Now, back in 2017,
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the last time we faced this fateful, 17 and 18, we faced this fateful decision. The Republicans bent at
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the last minute and gave the FBI everything they wanted. Again, that's when Donald Trump was
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president and Republicans were in charge of both the House and Senate. This time around, you're
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seeing odd alliances. You mentioned the ACLU. The ACLU sounds an awful lot like Andy Biggs. Now,
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on a normal day, you wouldn't say Andy Biggs, very conservative member from congressmen from
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Arizona and ACLU, have much in common. But they have this in common. They realize now that the FBI has
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trampled the civil liberties of Americans with impunity for a very long time. And Chris Wright
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can say every couple of years, oh, I put new protections in. But every two years, the same
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record of violation keeps being presented. And when we're talking about violations, we're not talking
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about technical things. We're saying your phone records, your data, your conversations, your text
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messages are being looked at by the FBI without a warrant, despite the Fourth Amendment's assurance that
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there would be a court warrant for such activities. This is the moment, I think, where there could be
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some significant success. It's interesting, but Andy Biggs and Jerry Nadler are in general agreement,
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a liberal Democrat from New York, a very conservative Republican from Arizona. The ACLU is very closely
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aligned with several groups of former FBI agents. Across the board, there is now a bipartisan
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recognition that Section 702 has trampled the Fourth Amendment. And as the clock is running out, we have
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less than three weeks to get this done before this power expires. Chris Wray has done what Chris Wray has
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done every time Section 702 or by the way, and he had the director before him going all the way back to
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Mueller. Well, let's raise the alarm. Oh, my God. If you get rid of Section 702, terrorists will run wild.
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And he said today on the Senate Judiciary Committee, it's blinking red. Terrorism has been blinking red.
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By the way, it's been blinking red for about nine months. Honestly, their terror threats are up.
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But Chris Wray wasn't out there warning about blinking red until the very last minute when,
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of course, his Section 702 powers are in danger. But I don't think he's going to find the receptive
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audience that this script has been played before. And I don't think the audience is going to buy the
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final scene. I think there is enough bipartisan consensus that there will be some significant
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changes to Section 702. What we're hearing is that going forward, what Democrats and Republicans
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generally like, is a system where you have to go to court if you're going to go through the
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phone data records of Americans. Foreigners, you can still do it without. There's no protection of
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the Fourth Amendment for foreigners on foreign soil. But any American implicated in American-to-American
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conversation, American-to-foreign conversation, what they would do is they would create a requirement
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that there be a warrant that has to accurately meet the standards of probable cause and then be
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submitted to a court. That would be a major, major change. It would be an enhancement of the
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protections. Now, not perfect because the FBI has lied to the courts many times. But it certainly would
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raise the bar and begin to give people a significant opportunity. I'll tell you what I think the turning
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point was. I think earlier this year, when we learned first from Kash Patel, then Jason Foster,
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two former very successful congressional investigators who unraveled the Russia collusion,
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when we learned that the FBI was spying on them using grand jury subpoenas, bypassing.
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And to be clear, we're talking about the House Intelligence Committee.
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Yeah. One was House Judiciary. One was Senate Judiciary. I'm sorry. One was House Intelligence.
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The other was Senate Judiciary. Two separate bodies of Congress. And their lead investigators
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had their phone records taken. And then it was kept a secret for six years. We don't learn about
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it until 2023. That puts such a taste in people's mouths. And by the way, there's a staffer for
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Senator Schumer, a Democrat leader, the Democratic leader of the Senate. He had his records also taken.
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That put a taste. All of a sudden, when Congress realized, hey, they're snooping on us and we didn't
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care about the other Americans, but us, hey, there's something wrong here. At that moment,
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there was a clear turning point. And people like Andy Biggs, who've been fighting for this for a
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long time, they got momentum. They got bipartisan engagement. I think there'll be some changes. It
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probably won't be as sweeping as most civil libertarians will like, but it will be a different
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requirement for FBI before the end of this year. I think that the members of Congress will allow the
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power to sunset before they will just rubber stamp it. So I think that's going to force the FBI to
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make some concessions. We'll be right back. We're talking with John Solomon. Please stay with us.
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We're back with John Solomon. And we are watching the Congress of the United States and the U.S. Senate
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ready to rubber stamp and try to smooth talk these, you know, these onerous burdens we're about to put
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on our intelligence community if they want to spy on us. Your thought. Oh, listen, there are the
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apologists, the same apologists that have allowed so much of the deep state to grow. The intrusion in
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our lives from federal government is at an all-time high. And I think at the end of the day,
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you have to wonder what would our founding fathers, if they came back today and they looked at
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what was being debated in the Senate Judiciary Committee table, when they looked at what
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Chris Wray acknowledges the FBI do, what would they say? And, you know, not that long ago, a couple
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years ago, Congressman Morin Davis, and a true champion of civil liberties, he's always been against
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renewing these powers. He said, our founding fathers would let the bulk surveillance of American
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citizens expire. They would have done it. And he pulled out of the founding fathers' extraordinary
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debates during the Constitutional Congress and other places, the exact words that would show
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exactly what the wise men and women who started this country, who built these protections into the
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Constitution for centuries of success, what they would have said. And he's right. There is no instance in
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which the founding fathers could have imagined a big central government, both collecting people's
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phone records and then rifling through them. Someone has to remind those members of Congress who are
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apologists that they work in the country, that George Washington and Tom Jefferson and John Adams
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and others founded, because right now they sound more like the defenders of banana republics than they do
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the founding fathers of this great country. Let me give you some numbers that I think will make that
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point very powerfully. So in those 278,000 illegal searches of Americans' phone data that were
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reported to the FISA court earlier this year, there were 23,132 improper batch queries related to the
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January 6th protesters and rioters. There were only 360 related to drugs and gangs, the people who move
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fentanyl. So if anyone wants to know the priority of the FBI, and also how often they violate the civil
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liberties, they don't violate the civil liberties of drug dealers very often, but they did apparently
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in the case of Capitol riots based on the data that's been disclosed in the FISA court. So
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everywhere people look at the evidence of a dual system of justice, a failing system of justice is
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sitting right in front of us. And I just spent the entire weekend with four or five dozen families
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who lost people to fentanyl poisoning. They can't find anyone in the FBI to help them. They say when law
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enforcement shows up, they're like, oh, just another drug death. We see 10 of these a day. We don't
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care. I couldn't find it when the when the people first found the illegal China bio lab, the China
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backed bio lab in California. The FBI was called. They didn't show up. The CDC was called. They didn't
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show up. These are big warning signs that Chris raised. The FBI is focused on things other than the
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most pressing national security. I can't think of another issue more dangerous than fentanyl or bioweapons
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labs. And the FBI is 0 for 2 on those. Oh, for 2. And you're right. Those are illuminating numbers.
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Listen, we are our generation will decide what sort of America future generations will live in.
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We are at a precipice of an extraordinary change in America. We look more and more like a banana
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republic. We look more and more like a social socialist or communist country. The decisions we
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make over these next 24, 48 months, not just the election, but whether you renew Section 702,
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whether we give accountability to a president whose family ran an influence peddling operation,
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whether we actually hold accountable Homeland Security Secretary who doesn't enforce the laws
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on the book, allowing fentanyl and criminal elements to come into this country at record numbers.
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Those decisions will define the sort of experience future generations of Americans will have.
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There hasn't been a moment like this in a very long time. Maybe World War II is the last time
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where we face such an existential opportunity to define or ruin the American experience. The
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decisions we make in the next 48 months will really define two or three generations experience
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in America. These leaders aren't acting with that sense of urgency or that sense of purpose. It feels
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like laissez-faire in Washington, but the issues facing Congress and the political leaders in Washington are
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anything but laissez-faire. They're existential. And the gap between the sentiments and speed at which
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Congress and others are working at and the severity of the problems has never been wider in American
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history. We really are living in consequential times. I hope more and more people in Congress have the
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sense of urgency. You have, Lou, because I don't sense it when I do all these interviews every day with
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members of Congress. I hear the same old, same old. And these times are not the same old times.
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There is an extraordinary moment where the American experience is about to be disrupted or changed
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forever. I hope the people that are in Washington listen to your urgency and not the alligator shoot
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lobbyists who are trying to tell everybody everything's normal. Well said. And thank you for that. I want to
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also just close here today with a telephone number. I'm going to repeat a couple of times.
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This is the Capitol switchboard 202-224-3121. That's 202-224-3121. We urge you to call your
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representative, your senator, and let them know that you, how you feel about their reauthorization
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of the foundation for what they have done to this country over the course of the past decade in
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particular. John, as always, great to talk with you. We thank you for all you do, and we thank you
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for just the news and for being with us here today. Thanks, Lou. Good to be with you. Thanks,
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everybody, for being with us here today. Our guest here tomorrow on The Great America Show is national
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security and geopolitical analyst, author, and attorney Gordon Chang. Please join us each and every day for
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The Great America Show. Thanks, everybody. God bless you, and may God bless America.