George Soros has always been the creature behind the curtain in the American left-wing political arena. The man media tightens themselves around, fear even to mention his name. But that seems to be changing. Not that Soros is in any way less powerful. He is, in fact, more powerful.
00:00:00.000Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. It is great to have you with us, and as usual, we have a lot to talk about.
00:00:09.560Let's begin with a man the corporate media fears most. You may not hear about him, but others may have heard a lot about him, but very few people know much about him.
00:00:20.620Marxist-dim multi-billionaire George Soros. He's always been the creature behind the curtain in the American left-wing political arena.
00:00:30.640The man media tightens themselves fear, afraid even to mention his name. But that seems to be changing.
00:00:38.800Not that Soros is in any way less powerful. He is, in fact, more powerful. Nor has he changed his dark politics and evildoer policies.
00:00:47.600Thanks to the extraordinary reporting of author Matt Palumbo, we have a fascinating glimpse now of the Machiavellian Soros in Palumbo's new book.
00:00:58.700We learn more about the unprecedented, pervasive influence of Soros in American politics.
00:01:04.880The book is entitled appropriately, The Man Behind the Curtain, Inside the Secret Network of George Soros.
00:01:11.800You can pre-order the book on Lou Dobbs.com. That's Lou Dobbs.com.
00:01:17.820Just go to the upper right-hand corner of the homepage and click on Great America Book List.
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00:01:27.760Matt is our guest here next week, so please join us.
00:01:31.000And George Soros is, for many, the symbol of left-wing, even Marxist ideology,
00:01:36.140that is driving much of the Democratic Party these days and politics.
00:01:40.560Soros has put billions of his money into soft-on-crime prosecutors, facilitating more immigration,
00:01:48.460criminal justice reform, as they style it, and arguably, he is the architect of the Biden presidency.
00:01:55.560We'll take up George Soros and his power with author Matt Palumbo here next week.
00:02:01.660Please be with us. I think you'll find it fascinating.
00:02:03.980And speaking of the Biden presidency, some legal experts and scholars are now suggesting Biden's taking of top-secret documents
00:02:13.220as a senator, vice president, and president, and lying about how many of them he had scattered about,
00:02:20.500and his condemnation of President Trump for his possession of documents that were actually his,
00:02:26.400were secured by the Secret Service, and a SCIF, and which he had the authority to declassify,
00:02:33.060all combining to make it likely there will be no further persecution of President Trump,
00:02:38.820at least on the issues of these classified documents.
00:02:42.460There's really no such thing as a special counsel either,
00:02:46.000when a special counsel has to be assigned to potentially all-living vice presidents and presidents.
00:02:52.620In fact, the National Archives just sent notices to representatives of Presidents Barack Obama,
00:03:00.340George W. Bush, Bill Clinton, Vice President Dick Cheney, Al Gore, and Dan Quayle.
00:03:07.180No need, of course, for obvious reasons to send notices to either President Biden or former Vice President Mike Pence.
00:03:15.340There may be a political purpose for the archivists to have sent out those notices, it seems to me.
00:03:20.620Perhaps it's simply an effort to create the appearance that how can President Biden be prosecuted,
00:06:02.940Your motivation to seek answers to file your FOIA goes back to 2020,
00:06:07.260when you didn't buy what the former vice president was selling in that last presidential debate.
00:06:14.320So the motivation was, I think it was actually in late October when the debate occurred between
00:06:22.320Trump and Biden, where Biden disclaimed knowledge of his son's activities, disclaimed involvement in his son's activities, disclaimed any participation.
00:06:33.340And to me, as I was in my hotel room after a long day's deposition, that struck me as a Clintonian finger wag moment.
00:07:34.080And then eventually in March of 2021, I got 87 pages from the Department of Justice, all public documents.
00:07:41.560They were all letters between senators, congressmen, and the DOJ, and a report, a public report from one of the Senate committees.
00:07:50.720And that led to another series of communications between myself and the Department of Justice back and forth over the next several months, leading up to the end of September of 2021,
00:08:04.640where somebody higher up in the Office of Information Policy got involved, said they had located a handful of documents, his words, not mine,
00:08:12.260that appeared to be responsive, and that would require six to eight weeks of consultations with other offices, direct quote,
00:08:20.520before they could determine their response to whether they were going to produce those documents.
00:08:24.920So, mind you, they recognized and admitted that there were documents.
00:08:28.980They just needed to talk about them internally as to what they were going to do in terms of response to the FOIA.
00:08:36.380Several more weeks went by, certainly more than six to eight weeks, and when I didn't hear back from them,
00:08:41.220I sent them an email on January 28th of this year, excuse me, last year, and said that I would be filing suit if they didn't give me a specific time when they were going to produce.
00:08:54.840They said they could not give me a time on February 1, and so I filed suit on March 1.
00:08:59.920Well, with all of that, you know there are documents.
00:09:07.220Has anyone from DOJ talked to you personally, i.e. by phone, communicated to you through any other medium other than email?
00:09:19.620Well, the lawyer who's handling the case for DOJ, the assistant, who I get along with quite well, decent guy, good guy,
00:09:28.720he communicated to me, I want to say it was in April of last year, and said that there were roughly 400 pages of documents that were, quote,
00:09:43.320potentially responsive to my request, additional documents.
00:09:47.580And he repeated that comment during a status conference in federal court on May 26th.
00:09:54.720So there were 400 pages of potentially responsive documents, and they would get back to me with their position on what they were going to do with those documents by the end of June.
00:10:05.360It was actually on July 15, when they asked for a couple of extra weeks, I gave it to them, where they got back to me with a GLOMAR response,
00:10:14.800which basically, in a nutshell, is a response by the government when they want to say,
00:10:22.900we neither admit nor deny the existence of documents.
00:10:25.700Mind you, after they've already admitted that potentially responsive documents exist.
00:10:30.360Well, that's not an unusual pattern of behavior for the Department of Justice, particularly in the area of FOIA.
00:10:44.360But what is unusual is for them to acknowledge that they do have the documents,
00:10:50.020and in a greater number than they initially acknowledged, went from a handful to 400 pages of records.
00:10:57.500And now they want to somehow hide behind the GLOMAR response, which is neither, you know, affirm or deny that they have those documents.
00:11:31.140I was just giving them to them, and I wanted to talk about the position that the Department would take with respect to those discovery requests.
00:11:37.420And his response eventually, when he got back to me, was, we will object.
00:11:41.820We don't think discovery is appropriate in this case.
00:12:22.020So that will be the focus of Monday's hearing before the magistrate.
00:12:26.040You know, Kevin, I'm appreciative of the legal system and some of its capacity to set things right that are wrong.
00:12:38.220I'm not a fan of the bureaucracy nor the judiciary when we get to this point.
00:12:43.680Because there is nothing urgent about it in the minds of either the, and I'm being kind, in the minds, obviously, of the Department of Justice.
00:12:51.500Because the documents they hold and which they only hold, presumably, a judge that is not ready to move this case, the idea that you would have to wait 10 months for a response, a material response to the Department of Justice, it's outrageous.
00:13:08.140And the federal judiciary is a mess of the highest order, whether it's civil or criminal litigation.
00:13:18.260How in the world can anyone expect this government to work when it can just basically tell a citizen that's what FOIA is for, so that an average citizen can inquire of their government?
00:13:32.080And here they are telling you, a practicing defense attorney, that you just have to wait and you have to pretend that these absurdities and conflicting statements are somehow acceptable and we'll just move on from here.
00:13:54.440Are you surprised that the DOJ is covering up for the Biden family because that's what this looks like it is?
00:14:00.280Well, as someone with a fair amount of experience in FOIA, no, it doesn't surprise me.
00:14:07.080I wish senators like Grassley and others who have spent so much time looking at the False Claims Act and key TAM statutes would pay as much attention to FOIA and how it's been abused over the years by the government agencies.
00:14:20.360Because it really is, I think, not to mix metaphors, but it really has become a toothless vehicle.
00:14:26.700You know, the government can basically thumb their nose at you.
00:14:29.220The agencies can thumb their nose at you.
00:14:30.860You're lucky to get, you know, scraps from them and they hide behind these exemptions, which really have swallowed the statute.
00:14:37.040At what point, Kevin, do you think the American people will awaken to the reality that their government, whether it's FOIA, is telling them to go to hell?
00:14:47.460Whether it is their use of subpoena, search and seizure or telling them to go to hell, that they will not be held accountable on any basis for their conduct or their behavior, no matter how in at least prime a face is criminal, absolutely criminal.
00:15:09.640We're sitting there with a U.S. attorney in Delaware who's been looking at tax records and various other documents, four years of investigation, including grand jury, and he has not moved to find out what is the deal with the standing of the president's son and all of his activities, including tax evasion and the list goes on.
00:15:36.140It is an obvious cover-up by the federal government, bureaucracy, the deep state for the Biden family, and you are the latest example of it, of what?
00:15:47.880We're talking about two years, two years in a fight to have an honest answer to an honest question.
00:15:56.360Well, isn't it curious that they chose Delaware, the U.S. attorney in Delaware, to investigate this?
00:16:02.380You know, if I were Barr at the time, he would have been my last choice.
00:16:06.140Not that I know them, not that I'm suggesting there's anything, you know, nefarious about that selection, but the optics are horrible.
00:16:15.220And, you know, another reason you asked me before why I did this, there had started to be at the time, not many media outlets, as you remember, were reporting on this.
00:16:25.340But eventually there started being some discussion or talk about SARS violations and tax violations, basically slaps on the wrist, right?
00:16:35.320And so, you know, without any attempt to uncover or get to the meat of the matter, that's what the American people would have been led to believe or would be led to believe that, you know, you were just talking about minor violations here.
00:16:50.480Yeah, it's, it is clear that there is this cover-up.
00:16:56.480Bill Barr, a Trump-appointed attorney general, in point of fact, was part of the cover-up, we now know.
00:17:05.660He doesn't acknowledge it directly, but certainly by circumstance and inference from his statements, as well as his actions.
00:17:14.600He didn't, after claiming that he had investigated the elections of 2020, we now know there were no, no investigations whatsoever.
00:17:24.120And by the way, that includes the one area where a U.S. attorney in Pennsylvania was denied his request to prosecute irregularities, I'll put it that way, and fraud in the 2020 election.
00:17:42.860It, the cover-up of the DOJ is extensive, and House Republicans investigating can't, can't get banking records, the SRO, the suspicious banking records on the Biden family.
00:17:59.760There is an iron curtain around what appears to be a criminal family at the top of our government.
00:18:06.960Well, you know, the one thing that's interesting that struck me is interesting that from the documents that they did produce initially, the letters back and forth between, in particular, Johnson and Grassley to Barr, were the, sorry, we're not going to, we're not going to give you anything.
00:19:30.040If I don't get discovery, the government's simply going to do what they've done in the past,
00:19:34.500which is file a motion for summary judgment.
00:19:38.700They'll attach an affidavit from somebody.
00:19:40.780In the past, I've had interesting affidavits from interesting officials that, high-ranking officials and government agencies in connection with some other FOIAs,
00:19:53.520particularly one where they tried to take advantage of a client of mine, the SEC did.
00:20:33.940It is a circus and absurdity on its face.
00:20:39.400And by the way, when we were talking about these Biden documents, it's not simply the Hunter Biden tax issues,
00:20:48.340his income that he presumably did not pay sufficient or any tax on, his dealings with foreign governments.
00:20:58.140The University of Delaware is saying that he still has absolutely no plans to release President Biden's Senate papers that are sealed at the University of Delaware.
00:21:13.140And that is absolutely outrageous that a public servant, I mean, all the pro, you know, the nonsense over President Trump's tax records.
00:21:23.480Well, they finally got the tax records and people are going ho-hum.
00:21:28.140But no one is complaining about the fact that this man, three-fourths of his, more than that, 90% of his career in public service is hidden from the American people through a contrivance at the University of Delaware,
00:21:41.680which is a public university, which is a public university, by the way, and should be open public records, period.
00:21:49.280What do you, and no one is saying a word.
00:21:52.320And last of all, of course, the corporate globalist media that is, you know, up to their eyeballs in the Marxist Dems interest,
00:22:02.620the Marxist Dems who run the Democrat Party and who are the masters of this puppet president?
00:22:09.540Well, look, those who know me, full disclosure here, those who know me know I'm no fan of Donald Trump at all.
00:22:44.460Yeah, where I was going with that was, even though I'm no fan of Trump's, I think what they did with respect to the tax returns was outrageous.
00:22:51.260And if you're going to do that, then you better be prepared to turn over the kind of records that you just suggested exist at the University of Delaware.
00:23:32.960I believe in the public's right to know is absolutely paramount for a democracy, for this constitutional republic to work.
00:23:42.080And the public has been told to go to hell by their government, whether it is the Department of Justice, the FBI, the CIA, the intelligence community.
00:23:55.320And it goes on throughout the federal bureaucracy, the deep state, the permanent bureaucracy.
00:24:00.740And let me ask you, as an attorney, we're looking at a federal judiciary that is not responding to acts of corruption and outrageous abuse of power and allowing this machine, this machine of justice to work.
00:24:32.960Well, I mean, I have a lot of good friends who are judges, so I can't be careful.
00:24:38.340You know, the judiciary as a whole, I think, does its best.
00:24:42.420I will tell you where I think the blame lies.
00:24:45.680I think the blame lies, and again, I'm no Trumpian, but the blame lies, the media has been totally corrupted, totally derelict.
00:24:54.520There is no such thing as journalism these days, for the most part, because if journalists were doing their jobs and a lot of this information were brought to light, and it could be and it should be, then I think we would be in a different environment.
00:25:08.740But I fear that without a return to fair-minded, honest, inquisitive, intellectually honest journalists, we're in trouble.
00:25:23.120Well, let's talk about why we're in trouble.
00:25:29.080First of all, I think there's way too much activism and way too much partisanship that is now insinuated into the legal system.
00:25:37.280If I may respond to that part of what you're saying, when we're talking about lawfare, when we're talking about the abuse of the Justice Department, the FBI, we're also talking about the big firms that right now will not take a case named Donald Trump or attached to it in any way.
00:25:54.760Their attorneys are not permitted to represent the disruptive figure that is Donald Trump, either as president or his post-presidency, or certainly to defend him personally against the assaults that have been mounted in our legal system.
00:26:14.640We have a judicial system that is rampant with partisan corruption, in my judgment.
00:26:25.740Is there too much activism, would you say, in the legal system?
00:26:29.480Is there any way to pull that back once it has now been established?
00:26:34.900Is there any way to stop it, to control it, to rid it?
00:26:44.640If there is, it's going to take a long time.
00:26:48.620And the problem with that is, you know, when you have changes in administrations with different, drastically different judicial philosophies, then you're stuck in the stalemate.
00:27:01.380I fear we're, you know, the balance will swing a little bit here and there.
00:27:05.520But what you see now is probably what you're going to get.
00:27:09.780I was afraid that would be your answer, Kevin.
00:27:12.960I don't see a solution on the horizon in any way short of.
00:27:19.380An absolute purge of the federal government.
00:27:22.600And to think that we're in this state is, to me, I don't think too many, I don't think certainly enough people understand that this is an existential crisis in governance.
00:27:37.440That this government doesn't have a way to respond.
00:27:40.240This legal system doesn't have a way to respond to known corruption, to known actors who have violated law.
00:27:50.360We know the history of the political persecution of Donald Trump for six years.
00:27:55.480And there is not a single person who's been held responsible by any law enforcement agency, any intelligence agency, any arm of the federal government.
00:28:10.820We're watching political corruption subvert and subsume our way of life through our government.
00:28:20.460Well, you know, that's why I said what I said before about journalists.
00:28:26.380I think deep down in my soul, I think that's really the only way this is going to get turned around is if we, you know, Thomas Paine's of the world, Benjamin Franklin's of the world, you know, rise up and start acting like real journalists and real investigative reporters.
00:28:44.660Until that happens, I just don't see any fix.
00:28:50.060And to do that, they would somehow have to overthrow their masters, the corporate masters who own and control 95% of all media in this country.
00:29:03.580Well, I thought CNN was showing some signs of perhaps soul searching revelations and decisions, but they're not going to go nearly far enough.
00:29:14.660And, you know, no one, for instance, Lou, would put somebody like you or me on the air to investigate and dig and decipher and ask the hard questions.
00:29:25.420I mean, they put you on the air, but they would never put somebody like me who has a background in doing this kind of thing because it just doesn't fit their political narrative.
00:29:34.360Well, and by the way, they were kind enough to put me on the air and twice we reached a point, first at CNN, where they didn't like my criticism.
00:29:46.260I was perfectly fine as long as I was criticizing President Bush, who, by the way, blackballed me at the White House because of my criticism.
00:29:53.300And then at Fox, because, again, on a different level, I had different views about the body politic and the direction the country was headed and for what reasons.
00:30:08.400So, you know, but, you know, I give both the news organizations credit for putting up with me as long as they did.
00:30:28.160And any time you want to be on the air to talk about seeking truth and criticizing this government or perhaps even applauding this government, should it find its better nature and its stars.
00:30:45.340We always give our guests the last word here, Kevin, on The Great America Show.
00:30:49.620And if I could, I would like to extend the opportunity to you for your concluding thoughts here.
00:30:56.540And I guess my concluding thought is, as much as I'd like to think that we will be successful and uncover the type of information and documents that I'm seeking, no one should hold their breath.
00:31:10.560I suspect that at the end of the day, while we should get these documents, we won't.
00:31:17.140And, you know, it'll just be status quo, business as usual.