The Great America Show - WHERE ARE THE EPSTEIN FILES？

00:00:00.000 hello everybody and welcome to the great america show it's great to have you with us thanks so

00:00:06.400 much for joining us on this beautiful tuesday in america well it's a new day and the faa

00:00:12.720 and pilots across america don't seem to be getting any better if you're joining us on video in just

00:00:18.820 a moment we're going to roll a clip for you another near missed uh at this this time at

00:00:23.680 chicago's midway airport where a southwest airliner was attempting to land private jet decided to cross

00:00:31.780 the runway just in front of the plane here's the clip

00:00:34.800 unbelievable that this is constantly what we're dealing with

00:00:53.660 now it seems uh in america though we get on planes thinking they're safer than cars but those

00:01:00.220 statistics are soon going to start to turn um with these unqualified folks flying aircrafts and

00:01:07.860 working in air traffic control towers uh it seems uh this incursion was on the uh the private jet

00:01:13.660 which was being operated by flexjet a private jet charter company crossing the runway without the

00:01:19.140 clearance uh making that uh 737 that southwest 737 go around holds up to 180 passengers so uh great on

00:01:28.080 those pilots on that southwest plane uh for evading uh what could have been uh yet another aviation

00:01:35.540 disaster uh the third one in a month uh so great on those guys the biden irs folks caught leaking

00:01:42.320 taxpayer information of over 400 000 americans including president trump as leftists are now suing to

00:01:48.360 stop doge over alleged privacy concerns it doesn't really make much sense 405 000 taxpayers

00:01:56.600 information uh was leaked uh under joe biden now conservatives folks like you and i what are they

00:02:04.460 looking for we're the ones who pay the taxes we're the ones who don't evade the taxes the ones

00:02:09.400 that you should be looking into are these illegals who don't pay taxes and these democrats 0.88

00:02:14.140 who are on the payrolls of military industrial complexes and getting kickbacks that's what

00:02:19.800 they're so terrified about they're terrified that elon musk is going to get to the bottom of where

00:02:24.540 they're really making their money because it's not that 174 000 congressional salary or that

00:02:29.540 200 000 salary over in the senate they're terrified folks our guest today is tony shaffer he's the

00:02:36.560 president of project sentinel great guest of the show a great friend of the show we have him on

00:02:40.980 often uh he's also a county newly elected county commissioner um we're going to be taking up a lot

00:02:47.440 of issues today 9 11 tony was a whistleblower 9 11 uh the jfk files the epstein files pam bondy

00:02:54.120 told us the files were on her desk last week what is she holding back what needs to be declassified 0.79

00:03:01.220 jeffrey epstein was a private citizen what's there to declassify what's the holdup why why don't we

00:03:07.260 have these documents uh miss attorney general you told us they were on your desk ready to go last

00:03:11.480 week well we're ready to see them we're going to take all this up with tony shaffer president of

00:03:16.720 project sentinel tony it's great to have you back on the show uh booking you i think it's hard of

00:03:21.440 booking donald j trump and i'm talking about president trump he's a very busy man so now that we've got

00:03:27.020 you i'm going to use every bit of time i've got with you sure i want to begin with first everything

00:03:30.980 that's going on inside the government the deep state that still seems to be uh lingering a little

00:03:36.380 bit congresswoman anna paulina luna of florida uh is taking issue with uh pam bondy attorney general

00:03:43.180 pam bondy uh sending out the tweet sending out tweets asking her why last week she said she has

00:03:50.100 the epstein files ready on her desk ready to declassify the jfk files which president trump

00:03:54.600 apparently within his first week said were declassified now a month later we still don't

00:03:59.860 have the jfk files and a week later we don't have the epstein files what's going on

00:04:04.360 you got me because uh i recognize the importance of just getting it all out and being done with it

00:04:11.460 uh there's other areas there's the roswell issues which i think we're going to learn a lot about

00:04:16.940 uh 9-11 issues there's a range of things and i understand the need to kind of uh put them in

00:04:24.160 order don't throw them all out i understand there needs to be kind of a you put it out you let people

00:04:29.320 analyze it they get over you know go with everything and then you go to the next thing i i i get that but

00:04:35.960 to say that it it's on your desk and then silence i can i can speculate why john i think there there's

00:04:44.440 probably some really bad news regarding our own u.s government intelligence community association

00:04:53.060 so tony yeah so i think i think uh i think some names on there are going to be from uh some very

00:05:01.960 well-known intelligence leaders i think there's some names from uh the conservative side and so i think

00:05:08.880 that that may i i'm speculating i have no inside information but uh there's there's two people who

00:05:15.960 can release that list instantly it's either cash patel or pam bondy each each of them have access to it

00:05:23.060 and can release it so this is uh this is something they should do and just be done with it as soon

00:05:28.260 as possible so before we go into what your speculation on maybe what may be on the epstein

00:05:35.000 list uh this is from polymark and now polymark it's one of these online gaming sites gambling sites

00:05:40.080 where you can bet on politics and what you think is going to happen uh this was just from a few hours

00:05:44.940 ago jay-z is now listed as the number one suspect on the epstein list 70 chance he's on it highly 1.00

00:05:51.580 interesting jp morgan ceo jamie diamond has also risen to become the number seven suspect

00:05:57.120 which is also very interesting uh from his part because this is a man who i think debanked kanye west

00:06:02.780 so uh if he's on there sort of interesting having his cake and eating it too so uh barring those two

00:06:09.580 folks what do you think is in there before the show we were talking a little bit i am under the

00:06:15.620 impression that there's nothing national security in the epstein files you know just a few names of

00:06:19.940 people who may have went to his island on his plane uh been associated with him what is in there that

00:06:25.160 that is so privy to national security do you think that that would cause a delay well let me ask you a

00:06:31.020 question how do you think epstein became a billionaire well it was mass manipulation it was lies it was

00:06:37.680 deception and well i think it was our government no i think it was our government i think our government's

00:06:44.000 paid him a lot of money to do uh intel and really evil things on behalf of the intelligence community

00:06:51.500 so i think that's that's going to be a big revelation again i'm speculating i have no insider information

00:06:57.080 here john i'm just saying i've seen this movie before so you know you you put people in there like john

00:07:03.420 brennan uh like uh oh i don't know you had uh uh a couple of folks in there i think um george tenent

00:07:13.060 was no saint uh you people you put people in there who have no scruples or ethics and katie barred the

00:07:20.040 door so i think that's secondly is some of the names we're we're talking about here i think we're going

00:07:25.320 to come to find that they're very senior uh business leaders uh hollywood leaders as well as i think

00:07:30.960 some republicans are on that list that they're going to have a hard time explaining well there's

00:07:33.980 no explaining it so i but one of the things i think is going to be most even if we know what to

00:07:38.920 be true which i think most of us do president clinton being on that list is going to be ground

00:07:43.720 shattering because a lot of democrats have been in in denial uh so i think it's going to be that's

00:07:50.360 going to be something else really i think uh uh um affects the the public's opinion about a lot of

00:07:56.960 things as soon as it comes out i think it's going to come out going down the rabbit hole a

00:08:00.900 little bit more since you've got us started halfway down the hole we must continue to go

00:08:04.580 uh what kind of work could he have possibly been doing for the government for foreign agencies

00:08:09.100 uh his companion gillian maxwell her father very influential uh overseas uh what what's your

00:08:16.500 thoughts what could he have been doing so so do you are you familiar with the term brownstoning

00:08:21.740 no all right so brownstoning is a firm as is a form of honeypot honeypots

00:08:30.900 you know spies we're all taught to honeypots you basically find a really attractive woman

00:08:35.340 you match her up against a a uh high roller general senior government official she's all gaga for him 1.00

00:08:45.500 gets him into bed he's married so he's compromised well that's nothing compared to brownstoning brownstoning 0.98

00:08:51.920 is the ultimate rabbit hole to use your your term john what they do is they get you in a honeypot 0.96

00:08:59.260 and that's not good enough no no no that honeypot that female then says hey i've got this uh really 0.94

00:09:05.280 cute teen who wants to sleep with us and she's probably 15 12 15 16 and then you get that on video 1.00

00:09:14.240 and they own you that's what was going on and that's what i think they're most afraid to come out

00:09:20.560 because you know what i think they got videos of all this stuff if they if they seized everything

00:09:26.120 epstein had they've got the videos just saying that's disgusting i mean the picture is telling

00:09:32.980 you no no i i i understand i mean the picture of bill clinton in the high heels and and uh blue dress

00:09:39.060 was not something that was just drawn out of nothing in my opinion i mean that's something that had to

00:09:44.060 have been reenacted uh but the question is i mean if those things are on tape uh tony are they

00:09:50.440 things that will ever come out i mean are they things that we'll ever hear about are they things

00:09:55.740 that'll just go into the big black hole of deep statery that we just never hear from again it's up

00:10:01.500 to donald trump and and pam bondy and i i i'd like to believe they're going to have the courage of their

00:10:06.860 convictions and do the right thing and get it out they need to get it out so now why was a deal not

00:10:12.540 made before we move on to this because this is a topic i think that you know five years ago nobody

00:10:18.160 knew who jeff not nobody but a lot of people didn't know who jeffrey epstein was now you know

00:10:22.340 we get glane maxwell he allegedly kills himself after we find out he hung out with some of the

00:10:27.300 most prominent people in the world why did they not try to pull glane maxwell i mean why did they

00:10:31.980 not try to squeeze her a little bit more to get some information she's got nothing to lose he's dead

00:10:36.580 uh she's in jail for a very long time yeah i i could only speculate i don't think they need her

00:10:43.080 to squeeze her i think they got everything they need i think they've got the client list they've got the

00:10:47.400 other co-conspirators i think her um her incarceration her conviction and incarceration

00:10:54.000 is just symbolic it's she is she is she has said and i believe that i agree with her she's a proxy

00:11:00.280 for epstein people are blaming her for it but she as much as anything yeah it's true uh and the people

00:11:05.960 who actually paid for him to do what he did and were involved in his wrongdoing they're still out

00:11:11.120 there and again that's why i think the list needs to get out this is insane i want to move on to

00:11:15.800 the jfk files another thing i talk to roger stone about this all the time he's written books on it

00:11:20.820 everyone's dead if he was killed by the government i think we all believe he was and no he was killed

00:11:26.000 by the u.s government uh everyone's dead the man who presumably killed him is probably dead the way

00:11:31.520 that the method that was used to kill him is highly outdated what has been the delay on this i mean

00:11:36.840 president trump you know started to declassify his first time around now four years later uh again

00:11:42.820 we still don't have these 2400 documents that are apparently hidden somewhere so the warren commission

00:11:50.100 like the 9-11 commission was a complete sham they were there to cover up and suppress evidence not

00:11:57.020 to highlight it and and it was all about a narrative i would argue john the the uh techniques

00:12:04.060 for establishing a narrative that was uh that were established for the by the warren commission were

00:12:10.760 used again by the 9-11 commission well and to your point i think that there's certain names uh a name

00:12:17.520 a a name that we both know bush i think there's a name bush involved in the kennedy assassination

00:12:25.500 well i think that's going to be an issue i think there's a lot of there's a lot of narratives that will

00:12:32.200 be shattered by the release i think that's what it is i i because at this point to your to what you

00:12:38.300 said i think everybody's pretty much dead i they just had two days ago yeah the fbi agent who was on

00:12:44.520 the uh the lincoln with kennedy tried to you know get up on there he died so there's really nobody left

00:12:52.140 of any consequence who would be hurt by the release i think it's all about changing certain perceptions

00:12:58.920 of certain people i think there's two presidents are going to go down very badly in history uh george bush

00:13:04.840 and bill clinton i think it's going to be really bad for both of them by the way that guy you

00:13:09.480 mentioned i think you said he lived to like 98 but knowing the way the government i'm surprised he

00:13:15.020 lived that long tony knowing the way the government makes people poof disappear into the into the thing

00:13:21.100 you know it's it's really really uh mind-blowing to me how we live in this country and i constantly say

00:13:27.560 this on the show tony it's we're just played with mass deception and lies everything that seems to be

00:13:34.480 told to us it has been told to us in the past is a lie exactly i mean who killed abraham lincoln now

00:13:41.000 now we have to go back and we have to question how was abraham lincoln killed uh yeah you know if

00:13:46.360 if we find out that uh jfk was killed by in fact our own government it makes you question do we put a

00:13:53.620 man on the moon tony what else were we lied about throughout the course of history now i asked a friend

00:13:58.360 of ours russ tysus because and he said yeah now i want to get your take uh when we do finally get

00:14:04.300 these documents do you think inside these documents jfk files there'll be someone named

00:14:09.700 an actual name uh a tactic used uh an x whatever somebody that it's written in plain clear sight not for us

00:14:18.580 to the cipher x so-and-so killed jfk so what we're going to come find is military orders and dispatches

00:14:29.280 very rarely are names specifically listed for example uh when i wasn't an operative i signed

00:14:38.360 everything in an alias and a pseudonym i don't want to give it out it's still classified but so all my

00:14:44.200 documents were actually signed if i did a report i signed in my pseudonym i didn't even sign as tony

00:14:50.200 shaffer when i was somewhere else i would have a cover for status or cover for action cover for

00:14:56.520 status like when i went to afghanistan i think everybody knows my my deployment alias was chris

00:15:01.180 striker that's been publicly released it's like yeah it's out there so i and then when i did something

00:15:06.720 else i would have a cover for action and an alias that matched the cover for action so

00:15:11.320 so what what what part of the challenge is if this was run like a real intelligence operation

00:15:17.860 which i believe it was you've got to decipher who is what and that's not an easy thing because

00:15:24.460 you're going to have dispatches cables you're going to have instructions given it's it's not as easy

00:15:32.440 as just putting a file out and saying here it is because as i just explained tradecraft uh and and

00:15:39.480 uh the the techniques used to to protect individuals is is something that has gone

00:15:46.360 on for generations most of the techniques you may laugh at this john most of the techniques we use

00:15:52.220 today were developed by you want to you want to know who developed most of our spying techniques that

00:15:56.780 we use today i guess who george washington george washington no i'm not joking he set up the system

00:16:06.640 of pseudonyms of cryptonyms of numbers there's a series of books written about this turn turn was

00:16:14.240 a series done about washington spot so most of what we do to this day was created by the continental

00:16:21.960 army by george washington and is still used so anyway my point being is it they got to sort through

00:16:28.060 all that so just releasing it all it's like you get a jumble of stuff so i i think that the government

00:16:34.560 is does owe us the information they just need to explain it they need to put it all out there and

00:16:40.160 explain who is what within that map that mess i guess the easier way to ask it is will it say in

00:16:46.160 plain clear writing lee harvey oswald did indeed not kill jfk i think we're going to come to find that

00:16:53.220 he was a dupe that he was the decoy i think that'll be that's easier to discern than who shot kennedy

00:16:59.040 believe it or not right i think they're always going to pin it on him i'll never forget seeing

00:17:04.240 that interview where they finally tell him what he's being held for and that look of utter confusion

00:17:08.720 like what i mean he you can't fake that it's like what it's like no so i i i think he was always going

00:17:16.740 to be the dupe and i don't i don't think he knew he was going to be the dupe but he was always going

00:17:20.620 to be the dupe so right and at the end of the day it's like your word against his they put you in a

00:17:25.540 room with a gun in your hand and like oh i mean the government's never did any kind of deception

00:17:30.120 to us before now we try to stage president trump and russiagate and two assassination attempts were

00:17:36.200 they part of the government i don't know maybe one day we'll find out um but i want to pick that up on

00:17:40.900 the other side of this quick break and i also want to take up the 9-11 commission because it's something

00:17:44.320 you've worked very hard on and and uh you know it took it made your career take a turning point so i

00:17:50.340 want to take that up on the other side of this quick break because i think it's something very

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00:18:56.680 free folks we're back we're talking with tony schaefer he's the president of project sentinel

00:19:03.520 he's actually now county commissioner congratulations tony schaefer thank you

00:19:07.120 uh i hope you have as much fun as that job is worth uh comes with a big paycheck so don't spend

00:19:13.180 it all one it comes with virtually no paycheck and i already got we got sued the first week in office

00:19:18.060 so there you go that means you're doing a hell of a job right that's right i mean you're doing something

00:19:23.980 right tony i want to turn to something that made your career take a turning point and it was your role

00:19:30.280 in blowing the whistle on 9-11 everything we knew uh the things that we weren't telling the american

00:19:34.980 people the things that we weren't telling our own into our intel committee wasn't telling our own

00:19:39.400 military and our leaders yeah give me your thoughts tony about what happened on that day and the days that

00:19:44.500 led up to it so i think a lot of us were babes in the woods i'll just be blunt so first off we weren't

00:19:51.700 we our team the the able danger team we were like the movies we were like uh way off the books

00:20:01.280 uh a couple of generals said hey let's put some people together in a black operation and let's let

00:20:06.900 them go and see what they find so we were left to our own devices which means we weren't part of the

00:20:12.720 larger intelligence infrastructure we were special operations command we were doing this as a special

00:20:19.220 operations mission so so we weren't talking to the intelligence community other than to pull

00:20:23.560 information out right so uh i john we weren't supposed to find what we found that's what's

00:20:29.680 that's what i've come to conclude and so when we figured out because we were outside the system that

00:20:35.480 hey there's terrorists here they're they're looking to do no good and oh by the way this is not a good

00:20:43.920 idea we should do something about it and that's where the it becomes surreal because six months before

00:20:50.880 9 11 well actually seven months eight eight months the whole thing got shut down they briefed the

00:20:57.900 options again this is special operations command this is this they kill people for a living john

00:21:04.360 yeah they briefed options to the chairman of the joint chiefs hugh shelton and then all of a sudden

00:21:09.940 we're told yeah thank you stand down that's it and so the next eight months we're trying to figure out

00:21:17.440 why are we told to stop and then it happens now what was this what what month and year was this

00:21:23.760 tony so january of 2001 was when hugh shelton was briefed on the able danger these are the things we

00:21:32.540 want to do to stop al-qaeda and we're told yeah never mind it's okay and then obviously 9 11 happens

00:21:38.380 on 9 11 and so uh 9 11 2001 so that's that's what and then after that i go to the 9 11 commission

00:21:48.580 and just say hey this is what we were doing and next thing you know i'm targeted captain scott phil

00:21:54.560 part is targeted and we're made to look crazy it's like oh you know they just want attention it's like

00:21:59.780 no we have good careers we're having fun we're just here to tell you what happened and i think that

00:22:05.440 we became an uh to quote al gore an inconvenient truth to to the larger cover-up and that's what

00:22:12.880 happened so that's that's what happened in a nutshell we knew the terrorists were here we had

00:22:17.920 options to take them out we were told not to take them out and then we were vilified for having come

00:22:23.040 forward and told the 9 11 commission we could have stopped the attacks and i think more more is to come

00:22:28.180 there's more specifics john that kurt weldon and i plan on getting out once we're authorized because

00:22:34.220 there's still two elements of able danger that were beyond top secret that i'm going to have to

00:22:38.560 talk to pentagon leadership about to to be declassified so i've already made that request

00:22:43.760 that's you know it's crazy to me that we even knew down to the granular level tony i went to flight

00:22:49.800 school yeah and when i was told along the way we knew that these guys are training to fly that that that

00:22:55.400 the planes would be used it wasn't just uh they were going to go in and blow something up it was

00:22:59.840 that they were using planes to to create these attacks

00:23:03.260 you know i hate to ask you this question because i hate to find out the answer do you think george

00:23:10.680 bush knew prior to september 11th oh yeah oh yeah i've convinced at this point hold on hold on but

00:23:16.360 not that the attacks were coming but where they were targeting and uh what was being used these

00:23:23.120 airplanes were being used to target so i can't i don't know how specific but yeah i think the whole

00:23:30.800 the whole uh being in the classroom being read to the facial expressions he knew i'm convinced at

00:23:40.880 this point because uh you or i john we get told there's an attack what's the first thing you do it's

00:23:46.460 like excuse me i gotta go yeah no no he he sat there that that whole that was theater because i've been in

00:23:55.140 situations where i'm in command i'm a director i'm in a chain of command where i something happens

00:24:01.420 i i start it's like i i get excuse me i've got to go no you don't sit there you don't sit there and

00:24:07.200 just that was all theater so to me if you just take that as a premise the other things you ask need to be

00:24:15.560 uh items that we examine and and have a second investigation to answer now is it just george bush or

00:24:22.480 someone like donald rumsfeld the secretary of defense of the time is that so look don don and

00:24:27.420 i became friends and i i um i don't think don was in on it i don't i think don was an honest man

00:24:34.540 i came to know him a little bit uh and i've sat face to face with him several times and he was the

00:24:42.160 guy i blew the whistle against by the way and we became friends later in later years and i told him

00:24:47.920 we were sitting in the green room there at fox we you know you and i saw each other at cpac uh i was

00:24:54.720 there in a green room across the river in well no it was like right there in dc right there at the

00:24:59.980 400 north capital across the union station yeah right across the union station and it was for i think the

00:25:05.540 2012 9 11 anniversary and so we're sitting across from each other and we're talking and i said uh well

00:25:13.480 you know mr secretary there's something between us and he looked at me and kind of smiled and says

00:25:18.480 yeah able danger he remembered john he remembered this yeah it's like i get shivers thinking about

00:25:25.520 this he says yeah able danger and he looked at me says tony why is that why is that why is that

00:25:31.420 between us and i sat there i said because you were lied to and i went through and explained some

00:25:37.760 of the stuff you and i just i went through in detail i said look this is what we were doing and this

00:25:42.440 is what we learned they lied to you and he looked at me square in the eye says tony this wasn't the

00:25:48.740 only thing i was lied to about oh my goodness so i i i don then became one of my my biggest defenders

00:25:59.320 after that he actually publicly said good things about me and tried to defend so either he was a

00:26:05.460 fabulous actor and remember he was the one bush folk guy that did go against trump out of the whole

00:26:11.460 group uh back in the in the the 2016 and 2020 cycle just saying so no no you're in a range of

00:26:18.960 in a world of deranged people and you know that lou dobbs i i swear to you tony and you knowing him

00:26:24.940 longer than i have uh i had the privilege of working with him every single day but uh he had such a keen

00:26:31.740 and acute sense for people everybody that i came into work with him and and said i like this person he

00:26:38.080 would explain to me why they were bad and i'd say you're crazy old man you don't know what you're 0.69

00:26:41.280 talking about and i'd raffle off every single one of them and he would say no no no no no no there

00:26:47.200 was very few people i'd go to him and say lou this is a good guy and he'd agree with me on because he

00:26:51.260 knew he had such a keen sense it was like a sense and he knew who the bad actors were but he always

00:26:58.320 liked donald rumsfeld and now i don't know why because there were things that lou knew that he never

00:27:02.840 told me i mean the guy was a book of secrets you know he died a book of secrets if you told him

00:27:08.040 something in confidence he didn't tell anybody not even his wife who he told everything to um

00:27:13.080 so by him you know having that soft spot for donald rumsfeld they made me wonder what lou really knew

00:27:19.040 because lou could not stand george w bush he hated his guts his father he liked but he hated george w bush 0.51

00:27:26.060 was blackballed from his white house what would george w bush's premise be for allowing this to

00:27:32.280 happen in america they went over to war in iraq they invaded iraq they didn't even take the oil i

00:27:37.720 mean so what is the reasoning for for allowing these wars to start he said it uh and one of his

00:27:44.980 i think his dad said in a speech about the new world order i think george bush believed in this utopian

00:27:51.200 future where we were all one government and and by the way it's not a left or right thing a lot of folks

00:27:57.160 on both sides of the aisle somehow think that that a utopian one world government where everybody

00:28:02.260 gets along and kumbaya i think a lot of people believe in that and it's it's it's folly and so

00:28:07.820 i think bush believed in that i think they believed that that the the uh the standing down of the

00:28:13.020 military did not serve us well they needed a predicate to get us back going i've said before

00:28:17.820 john and i think lou agreed with me we didn't need the aumf we didn't need the authorized use of military

00:28:23.840 force to go after the bad guys we already had enough authorities we just weren't permitted to do it so

00:28:28.500 i think there were a lot of things that were used and i think the real power behind that was dick

00:28:33.920 cheney no so just saying so what's the reason though what what is the reason for invading iraq we

00:28:42.280 know that's another thing we know tony we know there's no weapons of mass destruction there what

00:28:47.260 is the reason for in it's like time and history always repeats itself right and we never learn our

00:28:52.540 lessons afghanistan syria iraq when will we learn our lessons number one number two what was the

00:28:58.520 rationale before or i should it should be there there was there was some other well this is the

00:29:03.840 way i look at it since the end of the cold war there there's had to be some level of conflict to

00:29:09.500 justify the massive and pervasive military industrial complex remember eisenhower warned us about this

00:29:15.320 and eisenhower actually called it a military and military industrial congressional complex

00:29:21.040 congress plays a huge role in this so remember we've had the gulf one uh the stand down kind of

00:29:29.440 peace the peace dividend clinton firing by the way bill clinton fired like 300 000 federal employees

00:29:35.100 just saying you know people forget but he did anyway and then and then uh we needed to have something to

00:29:42.580 keep kind of the war machine going 9-11 happens then we get bogged down in afghanistan we get bogged

00:29:49.060 and iraq those are two wars and then well you know we start ending afghanistan we have uh ukraine oh ukraine's

00:29:57.260 the next big thing there's always been something to keep this kind of banking industrial complex going so i i think

00:30:04.880 there are people who are truly evil who see us as a resource not as a people under god and i think they they are

00:30:12.400 very effective in manipulating uh governments to do certain things as they wish so i want to get your

00:30:19.660 take on this because i spoke with russ tice about this last week and over dinner and then again on the

00:30:24.640 show the intel agencies the three-letter agencies and the need for them to be audited tony uh you know

00:30:31.760 i i was surprised to find out how many people between uh actual people on the payroll and then people who are

00:30:37.620 government contractors it's into the millions right who is working who are working at these and and

00:30:42.340 that's just just the main three the nsa the cia the dia now you go into all the other ones the the

00:30:48.400 army i think there's like 16 or 17 of them in total but we've got like millions and millions of people

00:30:54.240 who are on the government payroll and contractors are not cheap tony they're worth a few hundred bucks

00:30:59.080 a few hundred thousand dollars a year why do we have so many how many do we actually need i mean

00:31:04.240 so contractors yeah contractors before 9-11 were were a few you had saic and a few other

00:31:12.500 kind of beltway bandit things uh and they were there and they were primarily focused on how to work

00:31:20.540 to augment uh technical issues with the government like right it pokes and stuff like that but after

00:31:27.460 9-11 that door was opened by dick cheney halliburton halliburton became a huge contractor

00:31:35.060 i mean i remember being in afghanistan and we had halliburton cooks kbr kellogg brown and root a

00:31:43.320 subsidiary of halliburton john these guys a a cook this is in 2001 dollars a cook was making 85 to

00:31:51.880 95 000 this is in 2001 dollars i cook and and it went up from there so so that that door was opened

00:32:01.260 and every large corporation rushed in raytheon general dynamics uh boeing everybody and what happens is

00:32:12.180 like each button to see like these guys may be pulling down 80 90 000 80 to 180 000 but the company

00:32:21.260 gets another hundred thousand dollars for administrative above that so each butt in a seat 0.98

00:32:27.240 uh cost you know you the company gets probably about three hundred thousand dollars and you then

00:32:34.400 control that you can pay that employee within that range so you can pay them like 80 000 you're a bank

00:32:40.180 and a bunch so that's why this becomes so lucrative and and they create phony baloney jobs constantly

00:32:47.760 my ex-wife actually had a job that she was hired as part of a team a small team i don't remember the 0.94

00:32:55.160 contractor's name i think it was uh i think it was um i'll think of it in a second

00:33:02.020 they they hired a team get this they hired a team of of of people to analyze worker sentiment within

00:33:13.520 national geospatial intelligence agency so that's their job and and guess they they hired 12 people

00:33:19.780 they hired eight people to do the analysis or to manage it and then you had to have other

00:33:26.860 administrators uh come in to do like graphics uh and so the whole thing this sentiment survey team

00:33:35.020 was costing the government five million dollars a year oh my goodness for absolutely nothing by the

00:33:43.320 way that by the way they never produced a report because no one they didn't really want to know

00:33:47.120 about the sentiment oh we don't want to know that i'm just telling you how it works so if you take that

00:33:52.440 as a microcosm and you expand it out to every intelligence directorate you've got billions that

00:33:58.920 are being wasted so that's why i have no problem of them going through as a matter of fact i've told a

00:34:03.960 certain person who may be in charge of the pentagon if i came in i would cut 25 of the intelligence

00:34:10.980 community instantly instantly across the board yeah you hear stories like that tony and then you

00:34:17.360 you talk to people who are mad that donald trump's got doge i want to take one more quick break here

00:34:21.860 a short break and come back and take up the doge in our final segment and get your take on that about

00:34:27.820 the cutting that needs to be done we'll come right back with tony shaffer he's the president

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00:35:38.620 folks we're back with the great tony shaffer he's the president of project sentinel he's actually a

00:35:45.060 new county commissioner so congratulations once again to tony thank you john he mentioned to us in

00:35:49.740 the last segment he's already getting sued so we know he's doing it oh right first week it's like

00:35:55.200 here's your suit sir and no not a brand new nice canali or uh it's a lawsuit not at all oh boy uh

00:36:06.700 speaking of lawsuits doge uh elon musk's committee tony i find myself arguing with people time and time

00:36:13.300 again nobody elected uh elon musk well nobody elected valerie jarrett in the first obama

00:36:19.680 administration or the second nobody elected obama a third term when you got biden in there and he's

00:36:25.340 running the damn show you've got the world's smartest man you've got the world's richest man

00:36:29.540 in my opinion he's got top level security clearances tony he's making rockets to uh send up to to the

00:36:36.080 space station and do all types of things where he's got high level security clearances if they don't

00:36:41.140 want elon musk running a program like this tony is there anyone you could think of that is more

00:36:46.180 qualified than him perhaps no and plus he's fearless he doesn't care he's like you said he's rich

00:36:51.240 he's uh been successful apparently he gets around and sleeps with interesting women just saying if

00:36:57.600 isn't a bad thing i think it's kind of cool and uh so he doesn't care you know he is kind of a real

00:37:03.840 life tony stark in a good way and so um uh i think it's great and so i am all for him

00:37:10.680 uh elon musk identifying all the waste he can find and i have no problem with him uh poking the

00:37:17.760 bureaucracy to get him to pay attention and it's like i've heard all this drama about these emails

00:37:23.140 john if you or i got an email saying can you tell me tell me five things you did last week

00:37:29.040 sure we can tell you early like there you go i'm done but this was all about just trying it's like a

00:37:37.560 sounder it's like a ping in underwater it's like uh trying to figure out who responds that's all it was

00:37:42.940 like people are reading too much into this like he's just trying to figure out who's still you know

00:37:47.460 paying attention or not yeah and then going from there so people people freaking out and yeah i'm sorry

00:37:52.680 uh the president was elected the president has the right to uh to uh hire special government

00:37:59.320 employees which musk has and to your point john he's got a clearance that was given by the old

00:38:04.580 the uh the biden administration so it's just it's insane that they're they're crying so much about

00:38:10.600 trying to stop him from finding waste within our government the mistake i think he made is he gave

00:38:15.540 them like a few days to do it i would have sent it to them yeah you know i would have sent it to

00:38:19.460 every employee who was working that day i would have or coordinated and you have until 5 p.m to

00:38:24.680 answer today i mean if you're a government employee you should be checking your email i get an email

00:38:28.280 it comes up on my phone tony and i answer right away it's what it is uh send it on a thursday send

00:38:33.500 it thursday close the business telling it telling him by friday close the business tell me what you did

00:38:38.600 this week that's it tell me five things you did yeah it's very simple to me tony if someone like you

00:38:44.740 said someone has five things to do i'm sure i mean that's the easiest thing i've been asked

00:38:48.620 yeah but what to do you know the crazy thing is is that the american p i i have to be completely

00:38:54.000 honest with you i thought polling would have shown uh you and i were both with mark mitchell the other

00:38:59.460 the other day at cpac i love mark great guy he's one of the most brilliant pollsters if not the most

00:39:03.680 brilliant pollster absolutely in all of polling and his polling shows overwhelmingly and i this is

00:39:09.300 where i i can't i'm so surprised i thought the american people would have maybe said all right enough

00:39:14.220 elon musk enough of this stuff enough of the deportations tony we're seeing some of the 0.98

00:39:18.940 highest numbers and it's not just from rasmussen this week from harvard harris who's far far left

00:39:25.740 leaning 81 percent of these folks say they support deportations uh of anyone who are here illegally and

00:39:32.260 committed crimes uh 92 percent of republicans 74 percent independence and 62 percent of democrats in

00:39:38.920 that poll when asked uh they agree with undertaking a full-scale effort to find eliminate fraud and

00:39:44.180 waste in the government expenditures 76 percent across the board say they support it once again

00:39:49.280 90 percent republicans 74 independent 62 democrat support it okay so it's not just like you know he's

00:39:56.380 going out here and doing the other thing is he told us everything he was going to do tony like

00:40:00.200 he'd be the worst liar in the world

00:40:02.000 well that's the thing it's like um i two things i think are apparent first

00:40:09.520 the the democrats had controlled the narrative so effectively across the board i think they were

00:40:17.960 able to affect polling big time and i think mark mitchell to your point he saw through it he knew what

00:40:23.140 was going on and i think now that people are kind of allowed to be out there and telling what they really

00:40:27.780 think people do want donald trump to fulfill his promises i think look i think the democrats cheated

00:40:34.640 this last election i just don't think they had any effect because it was such an overwhelming number

00:40:38.980 and i think the percentages were way higher and i think mark mark would say something similar

00:40:43.460 if he were asked but i think that's what's going on it's like people are allowed to be honest now and

00:40:48.760 they're saying yeah we want these people out of here we like what trump's doing i think i think it's only

00:40:53.000 going to continue to i think trump's number is going to continue to improve

00:40:55.680 yeah to your point about mark outsmarting it after you you joined us the other night and you

00:41:01.340 had left uh you left us hanging uh mark and the other fellow i met who's runs quantum polling

00:41:07.460 we're sitting there talking to each other explaining how they do it i thought we thought you just put

00:41:11.400 out a damn poll people answer tony and here's the answers there's all types of waiting there's all

00:41:16.820 types of going back and looking at exit polling and uh under-reporting minorities over-reporting

00:41:22.420 minorities over-reporting women under and it was the craziest thing i give these guys a lot more

00:41:26.500 credit than it's worth uh yeah it's an art it really is truly crazy you'd mentioned election

00:41:31.920 stealing someone completely different than these two fellows actually it brought up to me at cpac

00:41:36.200 that tony schaefer is working on some sort of election fraud they didn't specify it was for this

00:41:43.240 election or if it was 2020 is there anything to tell us that you're working on yeah no uh the same

00:41:48.140 thing mark mark mitchell and and rasmussen has really taken the lead they've been trying to get

00:41:52.800 to the bottom of the u.s postal services role in moving ballots uh as part of the 2020 election and

00:42:00.180 that's jesse morgan and uh the pallet of ballots issue it's nothing it's nothing new as a matter of

00:42:05.560 fact lou had him on yeah lou had jesse morgan on so um essentially jesse morgan i spoke with jesse

00:42:12.740 about six months ago jesse's still around he's not changed his tune nobody that i know on that

00:42:17.840 investigation to include me being fired by bill barr has changed our tune we all believe that there

00:42:24.720 were that that at least one probably three trailers of curated ballots 53 foot trailers removed from

00:42:32.200 bethpage new york into central pennsylvania staged to go into to um philadelphia for counting and i do

00:42:39.100 believe that happened in 2020 so you mentioned bill barr it's sort of interesting before this election

00:42:45.420 we saw him on martha mccallum show a lot we saw him on fox news a lot neil cavuto brett bear noticed

00:42:51.000 those three rhinos but uh you know that's neither here nor there you didn't see him on newsmax by the

00:42:57.160 way or oan no right frequently see you but uh where has he gone he's sort of in hiding look i think um

00:43:07.360 there was a conspiracy it wasn't just uh adam uh shift shift was that was named shift

00:43:15.420 and it was some of the democrats uh with help from some of the republicans and i think bill barr

00:43:24.480 john jim mattis john kelly uh john bolton there were a number of folks who crossed the line and and and one

00:43:32.100 of those is bill barr so i think we're going to come to find that that bill was in on whatever they

00:43:37.580 pulled and i and i think that's why when again when i and others got close to the truth we had to be

00:43:43.900 gotten rid of and it was and we're public i was a public figure so you can't really you can't just go

00:43:48.680 out and shoot me i mean i guess you could but it would it would draw more to kill trump twice

00:43:52.920 totally yeah so i think i think that's why and i think when pam gets in when cash gets in

00:43:59.880 i i'd like to believe they're going to do some very serious investigations i think a lot of people

00:44:04.660 like bill are going to be are going to be uh seeing some pretty bad things come their way so

00:44:10.260 one of the other folks who i saw over the last week was john solomon uh just the news a man who was

00:44:16.020 very instrumental with lou and the first administration about russiagate and declassifying

00:44:21.520 those documents trump in one of his last acts uh this was like the 11th hour tony i don't know if

00:44:28.160 you know the story but a lou and and john were in with president trump on the 11th hour on like

00:44:35.200 january 9th january 19th uh of 2020 or 2021 i guess it was uh on releasing the russiagate documents and i

00:44:44.880 saw john the other day and i said you know john whatever happened with that trump said to you that day

00:44:50.080 these documents are declassified mark meadow was supposed to turn them over to john solomon and

00:44:54.920 he never got there so i saw john the other day i said john what's going on are we finally getting

00:44:58.800 these documents and john said that because i told him i was like you've been very quiet lately he said

00:45:04.300 that's going to end coming this week so i've got john on the show on friday and i can't wait what's

00:45:08.940 going on but good i mean do you think we finally get to the bottom of russiagate do you think we

00:45:13.280 finally get to the bottom of uh you know all that stuff that went on in in 2020 yeah i think we do i

00:45:23.460 think we're going to see that there was a conspiracy by both sides democrats and republicans to go after

00:45:29.360 president trump uh i i believe and i i can't i can't give details yet because i have to get some other

00:45:35.180 folks to agree for me to release there were a several individuals who stood in a way of the final

00:45:42.400 coup against president trump there was a coup attempt in 2018 and uh i think there was some

00:45:48.840 very courageous people who were democrats by the way not republicans who stood in a way of that and

00:45:53.760 said basically i'm not i can't do this it's if you ever saw the movie seven days in may it's the

00:45:59.800 reverse it's like the reverse image of that so oh you've got me you said hair standing up i got you

00:46:06.500 just made the hair on my back of my neck stand up because now you've got me thinking and wondering i

00:46:10.580 mean it almost happened yeah this is absolutely insane uh tony you've been around longer than i

00:46:16.120 have not much longer just a few weeks a few months maybe a year longer than me on this planet i mean

00:46:21.040 did you ever imagine tony that that the world would come to this i mean that no you would see a

00:46:25.920 surprise i mean this literally lou is i i i mean i tell lou's wife all the time i mean he went

00:46:34.300 lou went peacefully at the right time with all this stuff that's going to come out now i think

00:46:38.920 uh would have sent lou uh spiraling because he witnessed it firsthand and you know you were

00:46:45.040 victims of it he was victims of it and we watched all right lawfare and lawsuits and all oh yeah stuff

00:46:50.920 i mean did you ever imagine that your life would come to this no no i wish luke could see some of

00:46:56.260 the see the some of the stuff and a good friend of mine jerry doyle who was radio talk show guy jerry and

00:47:02.080 i were close friends jerry passed prematurely and i wish these guys could see because they were all

00:47:07.080 fighting for the for the truth to get it out and i know lou in his uh very mysterious almost uh you

00:47:14.460 know karnak like ways had these magical almost mystical ways of knowing things i i uh i always

00:47:21.100 appreciated his ability to see through things and i think uh he understood what was coming and i i think

00:47:28.340 we're going to see a lot of things that he uh helped set in motion come true so it's i look forward to

00:47:34.140 that so you know tony he told me so many times when i'd ask him questions he wouldn't answer and

00:47:38.700 like i said he took secrets to the grave with him tony that were probably insane and there were so

00:47:43.660 many questions i'd ask him and he'd say you know what one day i'll tell you one day i'll let you

00:47:47.260 know one day i'll tell you and there were so many things that he didn't tell me that the you know that

00:47:52.100 we left on there so one day i'll get to see him again and he'll tell me before we wrap up tony i want

00:47:57.540 to get your take on a little bit of foreign policy ukraine uh i mean i've said as far back as july on

00:48:03.920 this show one day we're going to see selinsky get on a plane and disappear with duffel bags and we're

00:48:08.480 never going to see him again it turns out just last week the white house said maybe it's time for you to

00:48:12.400 go to france and uh disappear uh he now all of a sudden doesn't want to end this war and i think

00:48:18.620 it shows why the money is drying up and uh he's got to figure out who the hell he's going to go pull on

00:48:25.180 their pants like to get get another dollar and putin is discussing with xi jinping uh xi jinping

00:48:30.100 how how to end this thing and ceasefires which means he's probably sincere about ending it

00:48:35.180 and i mean if you look at it tony he has really no reason to end it uh if he wants to keep fighting

00:48:41.400 on he's eventually going to take all of ukraine if that's what he wants and that's yeah well he

00:48:45.300 doesn't want it he doesn't want a rump ukraine no so we've been lied to from the beginning no john

00:48:51.640 we've been lied to from the beginning it was always about those the don boss and and those

00:48:57.200 areas it was always about that this whole milly driven narrative that oh we helped ukraine push

00:49:04.720 uh russia russians out of kiev and protected it no the russians were trying to go after kiev to put

00:49:11.100 pressure on on on zelinski to negotiate they didn't want all of ukraine they wanted what they got and by

00:49:17.100 the way they're in the process of of of removing ukrainian forces from the don boss and the other

00:49:23.240 provinces they're they're doing you know it's like they're winning so to your point they don't have to

00:49:28.180 really stop because they're going to win it's that's that's a fait accompli what is worrying

00:49:34.820 zelinski is that the money did dry up we're no longer paying for civil servants to to have plays put on

00:49:40.780 at the at their national puppet theater or sending people to belgium to learn how to to use chocolate

00:49:47.380 as a sex toy i mean those are all the things we were funding to us aid and oh by the way us aid

00:49:52.860 was funding the cia efforts to create the maidan that the 2014 maidan revolution we did that that's

00:50:00.300 why they keep that's why trump is saying uh yeah they were provoked because uh victoria newland

00:50:07.060 and those folks over basically were part of the revolution to overthrow the duly elected

00:50:12.960 government and so now zelinski comes in zelinski's the bag man for all of the democrats he's been the

00:50:19.580 guy washing all the money it's like he was honest about yeah we they sent us 180 billion but we only

00:50:25.220 got like 80 it's like yeah it's all been washed and it's all ending it's all ending so you know it's

00:50:30.920 the only truth that man has ever told so what do you what do you think timeline wise do you think

00:50:35.380 this thing wraps up in the next few weeks months someone told me today some idiot democrat said 0.59

00:50:41.600 you know we're going to start speaking russian here in america you better learn and i said

00:50:44.780 we're probably going to speak spanish before we speak russian that's just the truth of the matter

00:50:49.560 with how many illegals we have in this country we don't even speak english um do you think it was 1.00

00:50:54.200 up to democrats yeah if it was up to democrats we'd all be speaking esperado just saying

00:50:58.980 but you know it's crazy so do you think this thing gets wrapped up in the next

00:51:04.240 weeks months uh either way you look at it donald trump's going to be called a putin a putin puppet

00:51:10.400 i can't even say it uh because yeah you know when do you think we're there john they're re-establishing

00:51:16.380 a framework similar to the budapest accords of 1994 but if you remember 94 there was a framework

00:51:22.800 that created uh ukraine and and basically kind of created the other stands right you know tazikistan

00:51:29.040 it was all done and there was an agreement that nato wouldn't move uh east well it did so it is

00:51:35.040 what it is so i think first off they're trying to re-establish a an accord that both sides can live

00:51:41.540 with that's why they're talking in riyadh that's why it's only russia and america remember you didn't

00:51:47.100 have a nato leader sitting at the table when gorbachev and reagan ended the cold war right i mean

00:51:52.780 they they came to an agreement i know it happened that berlin wall fell right in 89 under bush but the

00:51:58.820 the framework that was created to end things was done without nato just saying so uh they're doing

00:52:06.320 the same thing right now and then within the context of that ukraine i think ukraine's going to end

00:52:12.060 within three weeks i think by i don't know the third week of march you're going to see a framework

00:52:17.460 that would probably be implemented on the first of april i think one april is going to be the target date

00:52:21.860 for formally ending the war you know it's you just mentioned nato and i haven't even got to nato

00:52:28.200 you know tony the funny thing is is we may be out of nato sooner than ukraine ever gets into nato so

00:52:34.260 well jd vance correctly identified the issue their values are no longer our values i mean that speech

00:52:46.940 i my goodness it's like watching an episode of sprockets on saturday night live seeing that

00:52:51.760 german leader crying on stage because he was talked to in a severe manner outlining the fact

00:52:58.500 that the germans are essentially at the fourth reich and putting people in jail because of of speech 0.95

00:53:04.960 so uh we do not share the european values we don't share the british values of going after people for

00:53:11.980 memes we don't share the german values for going after people and and and putting them in jail and

00:53:17.240 taking their phone because they they retweet stuff yeah so yeah vance jd vance said we're we're not in

00:53:24.240 the same sheet and if we're not in the same sheet that means uh 70 percent of nato's budget goes away

00:53:30.580 that's us right just saying so donald trump puts things so so eloquent and simple tony and i think

00:53:37.720 he does it for the idiots the people who don't really understand how things work and he couldn't 0.93

00:53:41.460 have put it any easier that we don't need nato we have a big giant body of water in between us and

00:53:47.700 europe you guys need us we don't need you and uh you know it's very simple for the democrats who come

00:53:54.340 at me on this whole thing with russia and ukraine i put it in stupid form for them i say how would you 0.59

00:53:59.560 like it if your neighbor started putting machine guns on the back of their house and they face it at

00:54:03.260 the back of your house what would you do about it and that's the i think the simplest way to put it

00:54:08.080 for the dumb people tony where can people follow you where can they watch your show uh where can 0.54

00:54:12.740 they get more of tony's show yeah so um in the mornings monday tuesdays and wednesdays i'm uh

00:54:18.340 the uh semi-permanent uh uh uh host the semi-permanent temporary host of wake up patriots

00:54:27.140 ed henry's wake up patriots i i host that on rumble from nine to ten it's live with not you know you

00:54:33.360 people can chat with us it's a lot of fun uh we just had sol McCurguliano on today talking about

00:54:39.680 strategy from what's up with shipping we have uh celebrities come on uh susan olsen from uh

00:54:46.720 the brady bunch uh sheree curry from the runaways and we're gonna have we have a you know a variety

00:54:52.300 of folks both uh we had uh andy biggs on before we have a variety of folks come on with us anyway so

00:54:58.760 they can check that out mondays tuesdays and wednesdays otherwise go check us out at project

00:55:02.640 sentinel project sentinel.com and of course on twitter things are always interesting or x at

00:55:08.280 these days as they call the kids call it x so you know give them your twitter handle because i can

00:55:12.560 never find you on twitter myself he's spooky he's spooky it's got like an underscore after every letter

00:55:18.720 it is because yeah because i i couldn't uh i couldn't uh have the one i wanted so i got the one

00:55:26.500 there there we go we guys can see t spooky folks t underscore it's an underscore after every letter t spooky

00:55:34.300 yeah uh go ahead and give tony a follow uh yeah i've given mark mitchell a shit about his uh hander 0.87

00:55:40.680 was like mark underscore r underscore mitchell and i've got mark to change his twitter his twitter

00:55:46.260 new handle is uh honest holster i said that works a little bit better that's good well he is he's a

00:55:50.960 great guy i like mark a lot he's been on he's been on uh wake up patriots with us too yeah you got

00:55:57.120 mark to wake up at eight o'clock in the morning he's up till about three sometimes me and him are

00:56:00.680 texting till like three four o'clock so he must like you no i'm a night owl too i i'd love staying up

00:56:07.160 late but i gotta get up early and do stuff then so great john thanks for having me it's great to

00:56:11.340 have our conversation i appreciate the time tony come back soon please thank you

00:56:15.900 thanks everybody for joining us today here on the great america show folks we hope to see you

00:56:20.340 back here tomorrow for the great america show where our quest for truth justice and the american

00:56:24.400 way continues see you back here tomorrow same time same place until then may god bless you

00:56:29.360 may god bless america and may god bless the great blue dobs see you tomorrow

The Great America Show - February 25, 2025

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