WHO IS STANDING UP AGAINST BIDEN’S STUPIDITY AND FAILURES, ASKS DOUG MACGREGOR
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China has a head start over the United States in terms of military might and might not. Doug McGregor, retired Army Colonel, former Defense Department official, decorated officer in both the Gulf War and Kosovo, joins Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show.
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Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs. Welcome to the Great America Show. Great to have you with us.
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A lot of developments underway right now. The stock market is on a rampage, a bear rampage,
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and few stocks are escaping the punishment. China this week launched a new aircraft carrier.
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All the headlines, ballyhooed, I swear to you, that's a real word, ballyhooed,
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the claim that communist China is catching up to the United States as a world power.
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Now, they only have three aircraft carriers, and this one will be another five years before it's
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ready to be operational. So the headline writers ought to calm down a little bit. And China's
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rhetoric when they dressed down the Biden administration over Taiwan was bellicose and
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smacked of a real lust for war. But China has a head start on that war if it ever wants to declare it.
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And we can thank Wall Street for the reminder. It's an important one. We're coming off the worst
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week on Wall Street since the China virus pandemic. The S&P 500 this week reached lows not seen since
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the early days of the China virus pandemic in March of 2020. I know most everyone likes to call the
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China virus pandemic that has killed more than 1,100,000 Americans just the pandemic. But I think
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the fact that China is responsible for those deaths, really the murders of more than a million
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of us, we might ought to be very clear and specific about China's guilt in the deaths of those fellow
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Americans. I think it is at best indecent of us to allow ourselves to be desensitized to their loss
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and China's guilt. You can even be global about it if you wish. We're told there are upward of anywhere
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from 7 to 10 million people killed in the China virus pandemic worldwide. The numbers, we're also
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told, can be something like three times that many, three times the official estimates. But those deaths,
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all those deaths that Xi Jinping could have prevented with a simple, straightforward warning to the
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world, a warning that never came. So that's why I say China has a head start on the so far
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undeclared war, because we already have more than a million casualties, a death toll in excess of a
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million American lives lost, a number greater than all the Americans killed in World War I,
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World War II, Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, greater than all the Americans killed in all the wars
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over the past 122 years. Both China and Russia are threatening now the United States and our socialist
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European nations that we call allies are hardly helping Ukraine at all in its war to expel the
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Russian invaders and occupiers. China, as I said, is threatening us directly over Taiwan. Russia saying
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straight out the Ukraine war will likely lead to nuclear war. The Marxist Dems who are driving
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the Biden White House and this puppet president are flailing now as they look for some way, any way to
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turn public attention from the epic disaster that Joe Biden has delivered to America in less than a
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year and a half as president. His puppet masters are testing whether war, even all-out war, would be
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enough to divert public attention from raging inflation, wide open borders, massive national debt that is
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rising and unheard of rates, markets that are cratering. Those markets are now bear markets. The financial
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pain for tens of millions of Americans will only worsen until Biden and the Marxist Dems are voted out of
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Washington. Nothing less will change the Marxist Dems-driven trajectory toward doom for this great republic.
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That is their plan. It is their intent. Our guest today is Doug McGregor, retired Army colonel, former Defense
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Department official, decorated officer in both the Gulf War and Kosovo. Welcome back, Colonel. I'd like to
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start with your impression of Xi Jinping and his aims. I think Xi is, by nature, a very cautious man.
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Xi will stand by Russia until this war ends and ultimately will legitimate whatever settlement Russia
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agrees to. There's no doubt about that. But I think Xi wants to appear as a person in a position of power
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that can still influence events, that there's no foregone conclusion, that without China,
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Russia's position is not secure. I think he wants to reinforce that, not just with Moscow,
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but he wants to send that message to the rest of the world.
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And in sending that message, it must be somewhat frustrating to President Putin that he is not
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getting that wholehearted support one might expect. Perhaps he expected from the Chinese when they entered
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into their strategic partnership. It looks like that strategic partnership does have limits, doesn't
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it? Oh, absolutely. And in fact, we should be grateful that it is limited to some extent by
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interest. But both sides, I think from the very beginning, Moscow and Beijing have always recognized
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that neither actor can move beyond the limits of its own national interests. Russia is under no
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obligation to commit suicide in the international arena for Beijing. And obviously, China is under no
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obligation to Moscow to commit suicide either. So this is this is actually healthy. I would not reach
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the conclusion that this reveals some serious fault line between the two, because frankly, that's just
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not there right now. No, there's certainly no rupture. But there is also, you know, as we said,
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some constraint. And that's it's not only healthy, but very fortunate that she is behaving as he is,
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because frankly, Putin has been wanton in ways that I never dreamed that he would be in. He has
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devastated, destroyed much of Ukraine in the pursuit of what? I'm not entirely certain. He says he's taking
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back lands. He says he's taking back lands that once belonged to Russia. And some part of that is
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true. But the reality is, this has been a devastating blow to his own country, this invasion of Ukraine.
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I don't think the Russians see it that way. His approval rating is in the mid 80s. It's higher than
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it's ever been. I don't think Putin would share your interpretation at all.
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Yeah, we're good. I don't want I don't want to. I don't want Putin and myself to be agreeing on.
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Well, I mean, Putin went in there with one set of goals that were not attainable. He went in there with the
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idea of persuading the Ukrainians to negotiate to adopt neutrality for Ukraine. He wanted them to
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essentially recognize the autonomy of the Russian republics in the Donbass. He also wanted them to
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recognize Russia's legitimate control of Crimea. And frankly, the Ukrainians before the end of March
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were ready to do most of that. In fact, there was a statement made public by Zelensky that yes, we
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could accept neutrality. We intervened along with Boris Johnson in London and said, absolutely not.
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You will not negotiate an end to this at all. And then we promised them literally limitless support.
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And the Ukrainians backed off from the negotiations. The consequences of that for Ukraine are devastating,
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not not not for Russia, but for Ukraine, and I think for NATO. And we're we're only beginning to
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sense just how serious those consequences are. Well, let's be let's be candid. We've got we have got
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102,000 of our troops on the eastern flank. We are propping up all of Europe. We are supporting their
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economy through their merchant through their mercantilist trade policies. We are supporting Europe through
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trade. Our troops are there to give them spine and to relieve the anxieties of their leaders.
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They are doing almost nothing. And it's about time people saw it just for what it is there. We're
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talking about one of their neighbors. And yes, they don't have a perfect relationship, but it is a
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neighbor and their own their own security is at stake here, given the expansionary policies of Putin.
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And they behave like, you know, they're Boy Scouts and and and and gazing upon Candy Rock
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Mountains. Well, gosh, I don't know what to say, Lou, except you're certainly 100 percent right.
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But keep something in mind. It was very obvious to President Trump when he was in office that the
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only way, for instance, Germany, which frankly is the once and future king of Europe, you take
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Germany out of NATO, take Germany out of the EU, you can write them off. They're irrelevant.
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And the only way to get the Germans to not simply invest in defense, but to field viable armed forces
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and play a real role in the defense of NATO meant that we would have to leave. We'd have to pull our
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forces out because until we pull the forces out, not only the Germans, but the rest of them are very
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unlikely to do anything. Right. And it's and as you say, President Trump recognized that he wanted
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to pull those troops out in the worst way, but could not because of the seismic economic
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potential shift if he did economically, I mean. And and I think that stalled him at a time when he
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should have, in my opinion, pressed right ahead and changed, changed all of the calculus for the United
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States in the distribution of our troops around the world. Well, I think that's right. But
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unfortunately, like so many other things, the American Senate, the U.S. Senate, whether it was
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Democrats or Republicans or, as you would say, rhinos, didn't matter. They were universally opposed to any
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change in that status quo. He didn't have support from his own cabinet members in many cases because he
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hadn't thoroughly vetted them. And then, you know, it's a matter of how much can you do when you're
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elected to the presidency. Most people suggest that the first six to eight to nine months, you can do
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many things, but you have to choose carefully and you have to focus like a laser on those things.
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Number one should have been the border, obviously, and restoring the rule of law. And the second piece
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should have been what you're referring to, reorganizing the the overseas presence to to reflect our true
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interests and also to compel the dependent states in Europe to defend themselves. You know, we can't be
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everybody's first responder. And clearly, we're not.
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Yeah. And that is that is, if you will, a sea change. We're looking at a Chinese Navy that's larger
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than our own. You can argue about, you know, displacement and tonnage and go on about it.
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But the fact is, they're going to have 100 more ships than than we do in the next five to six years.
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And they're going to have a deep blue Navy without any question. And meanwhile, the United States is
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going the other direction. We can't build a ship. Look at the Gerald Ford class of aircraft carriers.
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My gosh, it took 15 years to get the Gerald Ford seaworthy.
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Well, that's true. The Navy is obviously, even in worse condition than the Army, which is saying
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a great deal right now. But I think we have to keep a couple of things in mind that once again,
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there is a natural deterrent to Chinese expansion and intervention of adventurism,
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if we are ever going to see it. And that deterrent is called Japan.
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Right. And when President Trump was in Japan, he made the statement straight, straight from,
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you know, straight up without any thrills or frills or anything else that said, look, Japan
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is a wonderful country. It is a brilliant success. It is fabulously wealthy. And then he said,
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I don't know why we have any forces here. The Japanese can certainly defend themselves.
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They're eminently capable of it. Lou, I've seen many of these naval forces that you're talking
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about in Northeast Asia. And I will tell you that the Japanese, if they decide to put to sea,
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the Chinese have had it. They may have numbers, but in terms of quality and capability,
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the Japanese Navy is superior. But once again, if we expect the Japanese to get on board and pull
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their oar, if you will, we're going to have to get out of there.
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And we should, in my opinion, without any question. And by the way, if memory serves correctly,
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I believe that we, that Japan was the first recipient of the advanced ageist class of weaponry
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that we put on our Navy's ships. I think we gave it to Japan right after that. Gave it as another
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euphemism as we sold it to them, but we equipped them with it.
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Well, it was a technology transfer is what you're saying, and you're correct. And that's one of the
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things that we have done in the past, that for enough money, we have been willing to transfer
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technology. The Japanese have the technology. They have not only the Aegis radars, but others that
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they developed, and they have a fine class of defensive missiles that they can field. The
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bottom line, though, is once again, if we are protecting them at great expense to the American
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people, why should they invest their scarce resources in military activity? They'd much
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rather put it into their economy and improve themselves. Yeah. And it looks to me like when
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you see an analog to both in the Pacific and across the Atlantic, whether it be Europe or whether
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it be Japan, it seems to me that basic logic would compel foreign policy of the United States to
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insist on bringing those troops home and standing up armies and navies that will be allies in any
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confrontation that would occur between the United States and Russia or China or Iran, whomever it
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might be. Yeah. Well, you know, we forget that in World War Two, one of the advantages we had with
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with one exception was that for the most part, we were far enough back that when the fighting broke
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out, we suffered the least. And it was people that turned to us for help and assistance. If anybody
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thinks that Asian countries will simply sit there and allow themselves to be dominated, overrun, use
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whatever word you want by China, without turning to the United States for assistance is crazy. But that
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doesn't necessarily mean that we have to take the first punch in the face. In other words, we can
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well afford to stand back and look carefully at what's in our interest and what isn't. And I think it's time
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for us to look at what are our interests. And the number one interest, as Eisenhower pointed out,
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is prosperity. And he used to say repeatedly, Americans deserve prosperity and security. They
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can have both. But there has to be a balance. And our investment in defense to defend everyone
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everywhere all the time is grossly out of balance. And, you know, nothing is to me worth validating of
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that statement than the fact that 40 Republican senators signed on to a recommendation to President
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Biden that there be a no-fly zone over Ukraine, irrespective of the red line that has been clearly
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enunciated by Vladimir Putin over the last 20 years. You talked about the Senate. This Senate is
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comprised of some of the greatest blowhard, blathering mediocrities that I have ever seen
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in the Senate. And there have been, over the course of my career, quite a few. But this one takes the
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cake. Well, remember that senators can stand up and bloviate and say whatever they like, however
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ridiculous or unrealistic it may be. And there are no consequences for them. In fact, you know, a friend
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of mine named Wynn Wheeler, he likes to say that that's the problem we have with President Biden.
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You said President Biden has never graduated out of the Senate. He continues to bloviate the way he
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did as a senator. Well, when he bloviated in the Senate, nobody cared. It was just irrelevant
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nonsense, hot air. But you make the man president and he puts us at high risk. I mean, you're not only
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talking about the no-fly zone. Remember the stupid comment about regime change in Moscow? And then he
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decided that we should be prepared to go to war with China over a potential conflict between China and
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Taiwan. These kinds of things are extremely dangerous. And I can't imagine any president
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really since the end of the Second World War who, in the event of the kind of crisis in Ukraine that
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we have witnessed, would not have intervened early and said, look, let's stop. We need negotiations
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and tried very hard to find a way out of this. Everyone would have done that. I think whether
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it was Nixon or Johnson or Kennedy or Carter, anyone, they would have all done that. And what
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we've seen instead from Mr. Biden is this incredible exhortation to go to war with Russia.
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Yeah. And the people of Ukraine have paid the price for it. They're the ones who've been dying
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in great numbers. We think there are at least 60,000 dead Ukrainian troops. The Russians have
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lost between 8,000 and 10,000. Nobody's told the truth about this. And Eastern Ukraine has been
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destroyed because we kept insisting that they fight when there was absolutely no chance of winning.
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So this kind of thing is outrageous. It's inexcusable. But what we don't need is for Biden to do that next
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to us. And that's a fear that is not unfounded, that he will pull us into something where we have
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no interest in going to war, where our principal interest is in restoring prosperity and the rule
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of law here at home. You know, I think it's a countervailing influence to that outlook. I think
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we are at a different place than we were 17, almost 18 months ago now when he took office. But
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because people understand, the American people understand the man is an idiot. He's not only
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impaired, he's not only seriously, cognitively in deep, deep dissonance and trouble. He is a man who
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is lying and everyone knows he's lying, telling the American people that inflation is under control and
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they're ready to fight it, like they're going off to war against, you know, some, you know,
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mouse in faraway land. It's ridiculous. The man has no, no understanding, no comprehension. He's
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incomprehensible as well. I think the American people would walk out into the streets to and
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march on Washington to stop it if this fool were to do that. His puppet masters, I think, Doug,
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even understand now that their little cabal is done. This, it didn't work. And they're in real
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trouble and there's no way back. You've got President Xi now telling us to stay the hell out
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of the Strait of Taiwan in private meetings, of course. But the fact of the matter is that we're
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the only ones taking Biden seriously. Our corporatist media, the two parties, Democrat and Republican,
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the rest of the world knows what he is and what the United States has become.
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Well, I think that's accurate. And I don't think we have any credibility anywhere in the world at the
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moment, and for good reason, frankly. But we should not forget that Biden has a lot of company in that
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Senate and even in the House. I mean, how do we how do we ship $60 billion in equipment overseas,
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pouring a lot of that money into the gutter, obviously, in Ukraine, but also a lot of it
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going into the pockets of big donors and friends in the defense industry? How do we do that in the
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midst of this obvious financial disaster we have on our hands? I mean, that's what's hard for me to
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fathom. It's one thing I agree with everything you've said about Biden, but who is standing up
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against the stupidity in our government? And frankly, Biden hasn't had much pushback.
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He hasn't had much pushback, and that is frustrating as it can be to all of us, because, you know, these
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lions of the Senate, Doug, Lindsey Graham, Tom Tillis, Mitt Romney, Portman, the list goes on.
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It's reckless, fatuous, and absolutely mediocrities to be holding such important roles in our
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government. Well, people voted them in, and that's part of our problem. And the other problem is that
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the attention span of the American people is pretty short. So even though Ukraine is now effectively
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lost and that country is destroyed and probably won't even exist in its current form anytime soon,
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if ever again, most Americans don't care. But they do care about what happens here,
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and they're frustrated and angry. But I don't think they've connected all the dots yet,
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because a lot of people in the Senate and the House would not have jobs if they did.
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I think you're exactly right. I sometimes find myself ranting about the Senate, and frankly,
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the Republicans. The Democrats, we know what they are. They're Marxists, and they're playing
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at civil, you know, democratic rule. It's a joke for them until they get their way.
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But the Republicans, these rhinos, and watching Mr. Donald stand up and say, you know, he's perfectly
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fine with giving away our Second Amendment rights, but oh no, he didn't want to go ahead
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with that disinformation governance board that would be a truth ministry. That was just one
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step too far for him. They don't even make sense anymore. Let me ask you to do this. You talked
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about connecting the dots. Give us Doug McGregor's view, first, of what will be the outcome in
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Ukraine. Secondly, where will this country, I won't ask you to forecast the outcome in terms
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of the challenges we face right now, but your thoughts about the implications of it all for
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our national security and our future. Well, if you'd have told me you were going to ask me this before
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we started discussing the topic, I'd have given a call to Nostradamus for some help and assistance.
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Ukraine is finished. It's crumbling. Something will be left of it, but most of the eastern portion
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will be ceded to Russia. And frankly, at this point, we should shut up and color when it comes
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to that because we have more important fish to fry. If we continue to press the issue, we'll watch NATO
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tear itself apart because frankly, the Europeans do not want to be embroiled in a long-term conflict with
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Russia over Ukraine. And the second thing is that our economy is really in serious trouble. I've
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watched for years. I watched you. You were always sounding the alarm about the consequences of
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essentially the Fed's easing, quantitative easing over and over and over again. We've spent ourselves
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into oblivion. We continue to do so. And I think that the financial system that we dominate,
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the large institutions like the World Bank and the International Monetary Fund that we also
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dominate, these things are going to fall apart because I think we're going to lose our dominance.
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I think we're going to see other powers emerge in alliance against us, not necessarily for military
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purposes, but to protect their interests financially. So I think we're headed into not just a bad recession.
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I think we're going to face something closer to a depression. And then the last thing is, you know,
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as far as Russia goes, I noted you wanted to talk a little bit about Putin and his health.
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And none of us really knows the score on that topic. But let's assume that it's right, that in two or three
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years, a cancer will get him. What I would be concerned about is not Putin. Putin is someone who spent a lot of time
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in the West. He understands the West. He's not anti-European. He's not anti-Western.
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The problem is that he's a lone ranger in Russia. And the vast majority of people in that country,
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along with their leaders, think that he's being far too nice to us and far too willing to cooperate
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with us. And so I really worry about whoever comes after Putin. I think he'll be far more dangerous.
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So that's the future I see. Now, what happens at home? Obviously, Biden is going to go away.
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I think this government is going to implode, if not outright collapse, because we're running out of
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cash. And we just can't behave as we did in the future. Who has the moral authority to stand up
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and take over? Who has the common sense and the guts to cut spending? Who has the sense to bring
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home our forces and make deep cuts in defense that we can afford? Because our forces are essentially the
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World War II structure on steroids. And we need different structures for the future. Who's going
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to stand up and do those things? Who's going to stop the influx of criminality and drugs and illegals
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into our country? Who's going to restore the rule of law inside the country and throw the illegals and
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the criminals out? Who's going to put the forces on the border to defend us? Because right now,
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those 100,000 troops that we've got in Europe, we don't need them there. We need most of those forces
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right here in the United States. So how's this all going to happen? Who's going to do it?
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I haven't seen anyone on the scene willing to stand up and face any of that.
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Well, I look as hard as you do for that person or those people. And I don't see them either,
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unless I look toward Mar-a-Lago. And there is Donald Trump.
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He truly is. And he was the Lone Ranger from the moment he went down that escalator and declared
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he was going to be running for president. All that he's overcome, all that he has had to overcome
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through this relentless political persecution by the Marxist left. I mean, it's six years. We're
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entering the seventh year of it. And the national corporatist media are all part of it. It is a global
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conspiracy against this man. There is no question about it. And the American people just gaze upon it
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instead of rightfully and righteously being outraged at what this country has done to him
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and what we permitted. And, of course, done to ourselves. It's deeply public.
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I think I remember watching you so often talk about the exportation of our manufacturing base
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and how we were buying enormous quantities of goods for China that were manufactured cheaply there
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and how we had millions of people looking for jobs that could have produced those items here in the
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United States. But now we're living, you know, essentially on the poverty line or close to it.
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All of that was ignored. Well, here we are. We're harvesting, you know, the crop, if you will,
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that we have planted. And it's disastrous. All of that has to be reversed. And, you know,
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this business of, well, we can't just bring home manufacturing. We can't just repay. That is
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nonsense. That absolutely can be done. And we need to be as harsh and tough on the corporate sector
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as necessary in order to make sure that it happens. And for that, the American people have
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to decide that we, the people, will be the countervailing influence and force against corporate
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power, union power, the power of the Marxist Democratic Party, and indeed insist that Republicans
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be Republicans, conservative, and act in the national interest for a change. Doug McGregor,
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it's always great to have you with us. I really appreciate your time and your outlook and your
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perspective. We give you always the final word. Well, I think Americans need to ponder these issues
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very carefully before the fall. And they need to scrutinize these elections that are coming up.
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And this is the big test. And the American people are going to expect the government to pass it.
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If the government fails and the election integrity is not maintained, and people doubt the outcomes,
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then I think we're on a very different track. So I hope Americans will think about this
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and vote accordingly and insist that their votes be counted.
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Colonel Doug McGregor, as always, great to have you with us here on the Great America Show. Thank you,
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Thanks, everybody, for being with us tomorrow here on the Great America Show.
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Our guest will be Gordon Chang on the rising number of geopolitical flashpoints around the world
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and the threats against the United States that Joe Biden just doesn't seem to comprehend.
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That's tomorrow, right here. Till then, God bless you, and God bless America.