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00:00:00.000 Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show.

00:00:03.840 Delighted to have you with us.

00:00:05.760 We began with what looks to be the most important event

00:00:09.420 to this point in the House investigations of President Biden.

00:00:14.500 House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer

00:00:17.100 saying his committee now has specific Biden family bank records,

00:00:22.840 records that indicate U.S. foreign adversaries

00:00:25.940 bribed the Biden family members in return for foreign policy decisions.

00:00:32.320 The documents, Comer says,

00:00:34.560 the documents given to the committee by a legally protected whistleblower

00:00:38.900 implicate President Biden in a pay-for-play scheme.

00:00:44.060 This development comes as the Department of Justice is expected to announce

00:00:48.200 charges against Hunter Biden this week.

00:00:51.060 And as Comer last week subpoenaed the FBI for a file that details

00:00:56.080 an exchange of money for policy decisions plan while Biden was vice president.

00:01:02.440 The committee demanding the FBI turn over that file by this Wednesday.

00:01:07.260 And in an interview on Fox with Maria Bartiromo,

00:01:11.000 Comer said he and Senator Chuck Grassley will hold a press conference Wednesday.

00:01:16.120 And he has a warning for Attorney General Merrick Garland.

00:01:19.540 My message to the Department of Justice is very loud and clear.

00:01:24.240 Do not indict Hunter Biden before Wednesday when you have the opportunity to see the evidence

00:01:32.700 that the House Oversight Committee will produce with respect to the web of LLCs,

00:01:39.020 with respect to the number of adversarial countries that this family influence peddled in.

00:01:44.540 This is not just about the president's son.

00:01:46.700 This is about the entire Biden family, including the president of the United States.

00:01:52.580 That Comer and Grassley press conference scheduled for this Wednesday,

00:01:56.620 Chairman Comer promises it will be, quote,

00:01:59.020 a very big day for the American people.

00:02:02.720 Biden, as usual, is nowhere to be seen, nowhere near the White House,

00:02:06.400 not visible wherever he is.

00:02:08.400 But he also had a message and telling one of the most obvious lies of the many that he's ever told

00:02:14.860 and that Biden tells almost nonstop.

00:02:18.280 Over the weekend, Biden actually said, quote,

00:02:21.220 his son has done nothing wrong, end quote.

00:02:25.520 Anyone who's seen pictures from the Hunter Biden laptop knows better than that.

00:02:30.280 There's a reason President Trump labeled it the laptop from hell.

00:02:34.060 And anyone who's listened to the man President Trump and the 2020 campaign called Lying Joe knows better as well. 1.00

00:02:42.560 Biden is a puppet, he is impaired mentally, and he is an inveterate liar, 1.00

00:02:47.760 much like the corporatist media that covers him. 1.00

00:02:50.700 But even their lies can't keep Biden afloat.

00:02:53.940 He's getting absolutely crushed in the polls.

00:02:56.380 Biden's numbers have never been great.

00:02:58.640 But these latest numbers are shocking even for his own party and the Marxist Dems who lead it.

00:03:05.460 In the new ABC News Washington Post poll,

00:03:08.900 63% of those polls say Biden is not mentally fit to hold the office of president.

00:03:16.500 63%.

00:03:17.100 And in the same poll, 62% say Biden isn't physically fit either for the presidency.

00:03:24.220 It's looking worse for Biden every week.

00:03:26.720 Trump and DeSantis both now beating him in the latest polls.

00:03:30.460 So what's going on?

00:03:32.060 When we need answers, we turn to two of my favorite political thinkers,

00:03:35.560 the dean of Republican strategist, Ronald Reagan's political director, Ed Rollins,

00:03:40.640 and the New York Post distinguished columnist, Michael Goodwin.

00:03:44.420 It's absolutely a pleasure to have you both back with us.

00:03:47.860 Welcome.

00:03:49.460 Thank you.

00:03:50.000 Thank you.

00:03:50.500 Great to have you with us.

00:03:51.160 Pleasure.

00:03:51.660 Pleasure to be together again.

00:03:53.420 Well, let's sort of compare what's going on now to, you know, a quarter century ago.

00:04:00.020 I keep saying to this audience, I have never, ever not only seen anything like this,

00:04:07.480 I never imagined how bad things could get.

00:04:10.780 I could not have ever imagined even this.

00:04:13.940 And I am fairly skeptical how corrupt our federal government is.

00:04:18.400 Ed, let's begin with you, your reaction to what we're living in.

00:04:24.380 Well, no part of the government seems to be working.

00:04:27.820 And the Supreme Court, which obviously does still work, is certainly under a different

00:04:32.640 scrutiny than it should be.

00:04:34.420 And my sense is the Congress will try and screw it up by ethics challenges and all the

00:04:39.900 rest of it.

00:04:40.720 But at the end of the day here, the Congress is not working and can't work.

00:04:43.860 The White House certainly is not working.

00:04:45.200 You have a president who is clearly out of it most of the time.

00:04:50.540 And the country is not happy with either choice they're going to have in the foreseeable future.

00:04:56.000 They weren't happy necessarily the last time, but they're really unhappy now.

00:04:59.340 So, and the president, the former president, President Trump, which we all supported, I think

00:05:05.000 has so much chaos ahead of him that I don't see how you can possibly run a campaign.

00:05:10.180 He will do it.

00:05:10.640 He will certainly be, if the election were held in the next month or the next week or

00:05:15.260 tomorrow, he would be the nominee of the party.

00:05:17.760 But after all the charges that are thrown at him, how do you basically get your campaign

00:05:22.240 to run an effective, how do you sit down?

00:05:24.640 When there's 20 lawyers sitting down all trying to argue what you should do and you've got

00:05:28.540 campaign staff sitting down there, you know, at the end of the day, my sense is just going

00:05:32.880 to be very hard for him to launch a real campaign, an effective campaign, so.

00:05:37.820 Well, Michael, your thoughts about what Ed said?

00:05:40.560 Well, before I get to the politics of it, what I'm struck by mostly, Lou and Ed, is the

00:05:48.400 lack of trust now in anything coming from Washington.

00:05:54.640 And, I mean, with the FBI in particular, the CIA, I mean, I think one of the consent of

00:06:04.480 the governed, which is what holds a democracy together, is really badly frayed.

00:06:10.420 The other point I would make is that this cultural revolution that we're going through,

00:06:15.820 where everything is under assault from the left, all of the institutions, the memory,

00:06:24.460 the nation's memory, the nation's history, its heroes.

00:06:28.500 You know, I wonder about young people in school today, who are they taught are America's heroes?

00:06:35.800 I mean, it can't be Abraham Lincoln.

00:06:38.380 He was slow with the Emancipation Proclamation, we're told.

00:06:41.980 It can't be Washington or Jefferson or anybody else.

00:06:46.140 So it just feels to me that the country is sort of fundamentally unraveling.

00:06:53.100 And I don't see how anyone or I don't see anyone on the scene who's capable of the kind

00:07:01.080 of broad trust that could put it back together or at least slam on the brakes of where we're

00:07:07.000 going, because it just it does feel increasingly like we're headed for some kind of a crack

00:07:11.900 up.

00:07:12.980 And and I think people could be forgiven as well, Michael, for thinking we're in the

00:07:18.680 midst of a crack up right now that may be irretrievable.

00:07:23.520 This this damage that we've seen done to our culture, to our society, to our economy,

00:07:28.900 to our political system, our governance, it may well be irreparable.

00:07:34.660 Ed, I mean, I just don't know at this point.

00:07:37.720 Well, I would agree with that.

00:07:40.400 I think at the end of the day here, the young people and certainly the covid took them out

00:07:45.500 of the game for a couple of years.

00:07:47.140 Both kids who needed more education or any education and the work, the work subject.

00:07:52.380 I had a physical yesterday with my doctor and she said to me that young people who come

00:07:57.240 to her who used to go to work for Goldman Sachs or what have you don't want to be there 0.96

00:08:01.220 anymore.

00:08:01.980 Don't don't believe that hard work matters anymore and they want time off and they want

00:08:07.160 this and they want that. 0.56

00:08:08.180 And they're very, very unhappy and they all want medication that makes them happy.

00:08:13.100 And I've never had a doctor tell me that before, but it certainly makes great sense.

00:08:17.280 And the social media that if you think you're living a good life, all you have to do is

00:08:20.940 get on social media, some of your friends and read their lives where they're going someplace

00:08:24.680 every weekend on a yacht or to a gala ball or what have you.

00:08:29.480 You know, and to a certain extent, the political system is not something that I spent 50 years

00:08:34.440 of my life in is not functioning well.

00:08:37.340 And, you know, the New York Times is a series of how you can expand the Congress to seven or

00:08:43.240 eight hundred members.

00:08:45.360 I thought, my God, we had to cut it down to 50.

00:08:49.460 You know, there's too many now to do the job.

00:08:52.020 They can't do the job.

00:08:52.960 They don't believe in anything.

00:08:54.700 And so you go have spent nine billion dollars, as we did in the presidential campaign, to

00:09:00.240 come out even in the Senate and have a two two seat margin in the in the House.

00:09:08.060 You know, it's just it's just not working.

00:09:10.420 It's not working.

00:09:11.160 It's not going to work for the foreseeable future.

00:09:12.740 So, you know, to that point, I was talking with a with a congressman who will be obviously

00:09:19.500 unidentified here talking about how disappointed they were in what is happening in Congress.

00:09:28.620 They had how disappointed they are.

00:09:31.140 And I'm watching the Republican conference and I'm thinking this is the best I've ever

00:09:35.900 seen Republicans operate in the at the onset of a of a Congress.

00:09:40.400 I mean, the 118th Congress is now a little over just about four months old.

00:09:47.060 And and I think they're doing amazing things with their investigative committees.

00:09:52.000 They're I actually suggested on the air that they not proceed with the debt ceiling fight because

00:09:58.580 I've never seen the Republicans win that fight, but they're even making it seems at least some

00:10:04.180 modest progress at this point there.

00:10:06.660 The idea is still alive.

00:10:09.280 Your thoughts about this?

00:10:11.480 I mean, we're looking at a group of people who are tough.

00:10:15.480 They're fighters, but they're really disappointed in and how little Congress can get done.

00:10:20.920 And this handful that I've talked to your thoughts, Michael.

00:10:25.780 Well, I I'm also impressed by the the investigative committees, Comer, Jim Jordan, Turner.

00:10:34.080 I think they've they've really come out of the gate.

00:10:36.600 I was a little concerned in the beginning that they seem to be slow walking and sort of talking

00:10:41.880 ahead of the evidence before they put the evidence out.

00:10:46.060 But I think that's been corrected, you know, the they're now sharing more of the evidence

00:10:52.820 as they as they go public and, you know, putting up the results, I think, is going to be important

00:11:00.720 because they have a very big job of convincing the American people what they're doing.

00:11:06.100 You know, my my wife said to me recently, I was talking about Hunter Biden, giving her one

00:11:11.320 of my Hunter Biden speeches, and she said, you know, honey, nobody else talks that way.

00:11:17.400 I don't hear that anywhere else.

00:11:20.040 And it occurred to me that there is still a large segment of the country that doesn't know

00:11:26.600 what we know about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and the big guy and Tony Bobulinski.

00:11:34.180 Tony Bobulinski, for example, is not a household name.

00:11:38.040 He should be.

00:11:38.880 He publicly identified Joe Biden as the big guy.

00:11:42.840 He met with Joe Biden and and said Joe Biden knew all about the deal with the Chinese conglomerates.

00:11:51.400 So why don't more people know that?

00:11:55.120 And obviously, it would quickly get you back to The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, who have shut all of this down.

00:12:02.740 But I think the Republicans in Congress are making real headway against that.

00:12:07.560 And if they continue to produce these whistleblowers and these findings and open up the Justice

00:12:14.900 Department and the FBI and get the documents that are in there, I think you will see a public

00:12:21.640 that becomes knowledgeable about the Biden family scandals and will then react in a political

00:12:28.480 way.

00:12:29.060 I hope you're I hope you're right.

00:12:32.340 I think the biggest failing that I don't disagree with any of what I just said, it just is no

00:12:38.600 communication strategy.

00:12:39.880 You can't have McCarthy carried along.

00:12:41.820 You can't just have the chairman carried along.

00:12:45.740 Every member ought to be out there every weekend, going back to their community and saying, here

00:12:50.860 are the talking points.

00:12:51.680 Here are the four or five things we want to talk about this week.

00:12:54.600 And that's not happening on social media.

00:12:57.220 It's not anywhere.

00:12:58.140 I mean, we three pay attention to everything that goes on.

00:13:01.200 We read lots of stuff.

00:13:02.760 And but the vast majority in the country don't care.

00:13:05.260 And they may care if they know what's really going on.

00:13:09.040 But the mere fact that the whole Biden letter, you are very familiar with, Michael, or the

00:13:18.320 Secretary of State, who is not the Secretary of State, gathered this information, which

00:13:23.160 was all false, got all these big names to sign a letter that basically said that everything

00:13:30.420 that was in the letter, everything that had been charged was false.

00:13:33.440 And it's all total BS.

00:13:35.460 That should be an indictable charge in which the Secretary of State I'd be thrown out

00:13:39.500 office.

00:13:40.540 And that needs to be a drumbeat.

00:13:43.780 And it's not.

00:13:45.620 It's kind of a one-day story.

00:13:47.160 The only things that aren't one-day stories are what's happening to Donald Trump.

00:13:50.380 That's an everyday story.

00:13:52.860 And the conservative networks are all getting knocked out of the box.

00:13:58.200 And the mainstream media is getting more and more attention paid to it because that's

00:14:03.060 the drumbeat.

00:14:03.800 And the young people aren't paying attention to any of it.

00:14:06.280 They're getting their own social media.

00:14:08.680 And somehow that's not getting out either.

00:14:10.740 So what's turning out is I talk to my daughter and my daughter's friends who are 28 years

00:14:14.960 old.

00:14:15.940 They're disgusted with the whole process.

00:14:17.580 They don't think it works.

00:14:18.900 They're turned off to it.

00:14:20.120 They're not.

00:14:21.140 Whether Democrats or Republicans, they don't care.

00:14:23.360 They just don't think the system works.

00:14:24.920 And I think that's a bad, bad sign.

00:14:26.440 Well, I'd say that they've got good evidence to support their view on the system right

00:14:31.180 now.

00:14:32.360 And the drumbeat, I think, also, Ed, you're exactly right.

00:14:35.480 The drumbeat is picking up.

00:14:37.680 We're going to take that up as we continue with Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin.

00:14:43.000 Stay with us.

00:14:43.840 We'll be right back.

00:14:46.240 We're back now.

00:14:47.320 We're talking with the savant himself, Ed Rollins, and the New York Post brilliant

00:14:51.900 columnist, Michael Goodwin.

00:14:54.160 Gentlemen, we're talking about the system.

00:14:56.340 And Ed, we're talking about your daughter not necessarily thinking this is a system that's

00:15:01.580 working well.

00:15:03.180 To that point, the New York Post with a story saying that the FBI has a file linking the

00:15:10.120 president of the United States, a scheme that is directly related to a criminal scheme.

00:15:18.600 And that coming from James Comer's subpoenas, your thoughts on that, Michael, that's an

00:15:25.820 extraordinary report.

00:15:27.420 And that's going to be tested, I would guess, rather quickly.

00:15:31.420 Yes.

00:15:31.760 Look, I have no doubts myself that Joe Biden is up to his eyeballs in this influence peddling

00:15:39.560 scheme.

00:15:40.260 I mean, the more you look at the people that Hunter Biden and Jim Biden met with around the

00:15:46.820 world, the more you have to say, well, how did they know to go to those people?

00:15:51.240 And there's only one way they would know, and that would be Joe Biden pointed them in

00:15:55.820 that direction.

00:15:56.780 He may have even arranged the interviews in some cases.

00:16:00.740 So while I'm reluctant to call Joe Biden a mastermind about anything, I think he was the

00:16:07.280 mastermind of this scam and this influence peddling that the whole Biden family profited from.

00:16:15.320 So I think that getting that out there, and as Bob Alinsky says recently now, that he has

00:16:24.280 changed his view of what this was about.

00:16:28.280 He said initially that he just sort of saw this wave of different Chinese companies coming at

00:16:35.920 Hunter Biden with opportunities and Hunter Biden soliciting them.

00:16:40.120 He now believes that it was a Chinese intelligence operation from the beginning that targeted Joe

00:16:47.020 Biden and was just simply using Hunter to get to Joe.

00:16:52.260 And so that there was an overall plan from the get go by the Chinese government and the

00:16:58.860 Chinese military.

00:16:59.920 That speaks volumes to, I believe, Joe Biden's behavior toward China.

00:17:07.400 The balloon, for example, the spy balloon was no big deal, he said.

00:17:12.480 The other day, he said he's not worried about China.

00:17:16.100 I mean, none of this makes any sense.

00:17:18.480 He's never gone after them on the virus, the origin of the virus.

00:17:22.820 The Uyghurs, have you heard a mention of the Uyghurs since Joe Biden became president?

00:17:28.860 I mean, there are all of these indications that he is compromised.

00:17:33.360 And while it pains me to say it, I think if we're going to have a government that goes after

00:17:39.340 a president as this government went after Donald Trump, the least we can expect is that the same

00:17:46.760 institutions and agencies go after any hint that the current president is corrupt and with the same

00:17:54.540 vigor and maybe some of the same techniques that they used against the former president.

00:17:59.960 We haven't seen that.

00:18:01.040 I don't think we will.

00:18:02.060 But I think the Republican Congress is is starting to push in that direction.

00:18:06.980 Your your thoughts on that, Ed, is it likely that we'll see any kind of energy from the permanent

00:18:14.640 bureaucracy, the Department of Justice, the FBI, even remotely interested in investigating Joe Biden and

00:18:23.520 his family?

00:18:24.440 No, I don't think so.

00:18:25.620 I think I share Michael's concerns.

00:18:28.140 I agree totally with Michael what he's saying.

00:18:30.660 I think Joe Biden was a very experienced guy getting getting every kind of contribution there was when

00:18:35.320 he was a senator and vice president.

00:18:37.540 I don't think he ever anticipated being president.

00:18:39.960 But I think the problem we face now is that the Washington bureaucracy does not see Biden as a

00:18:46.520 one-termer.

00:18:47.460 They see him as a two-termer.

00:18:49.500 And the players around him, which have been the same players for a long period of time, are going to be the

00:18:53.520 players there for the next six years.

00:18:55.440 And I think to a certain extent, they assume that the Congress that has a two-seat margin

00:19:00.600 in the House is probably going to lose that seat, those seats in the next election and possibly the

00:19:05.960 Senate.

00:19:06.320 And they're going to play, they're going to basically play the game that you're going to

00:19:09.020 have a Democrat president, Democrat Congress.

00:19:11.660 And unless, again, unless the Congress, the House members unite and say, communicating my

00:19:17.320 message and our things here are most serious and making sure that every charge you make is a

00:19:22.580 legitimate charge and one that you can prove, it's just going to go by the wayside.

00:19:29.220 With that, obviously, we're talking about leadership.

00:19:33.980 Jim Jordan, James Comer, impressing me mightily as they lead their committees, their respective

00:19:40.340 committees, Jordan Judiciary and the Weaponization Subcommittee and Comer House Oversight.

00:19:46.420 I have a feeling that we're going to see, I truly believe this, I have a feeling we're

00:19:55.020 going to see some result here relatively soon.

00:20:00.420 Well, look, I agree with Ed in the sense that there needs to be a strategy, a focused strategy

00:20:08.020 led from the top of the House.

00:20:09.940 It can't be these individual committees out there on their own.

00:20:13.760 In the same way that Nancy Pelosi created the January 6th Committee and stayed on top 0.98

00:20:19.760 of it, they had real message discipline.

00:20:23.560 They used the committee hearings effectively.

00:20:26.320 I think that's what Kevin McCarthy needs to do.

00:20:29.360 I don't know if he has somebody on his leadership team, Ed would know best, who's capable of exercising

00:20:35.440 that kind of discipline, if it's not McCarthy himself.

00:20:40.100 But I agree with you, Lou, too, that I am optimistic about this.

00:20:45.760 I believe the goods are there.

00:20:48.440 And I do believe that there will come a tipping point.

00:20:53.360 In the same way that you say Richard Nixon, for example, at some level, you have to persuade

00:21:03.840 the media, the media has to be persuaded, let's put it that way, that this is legitimate, that

00:21:09.220 it matters, and that they are not going to protect the president in this era when he seems

00:21:16.280 to be corrupt, when there's evidence of his personal corruption.

00:21:19.100 I think that's the tipping point that has to happen so that the wider public is all confronted

00:21:26.760 with this information instead of it just coming out of a couple of pockets of the media.

00:21:32.220 And to that point, I think we also have to give considerable weight to the fact that most

00:21:38.880 of media is controlled by the corporatist ownership that spans, what, 90 percent of all media in

00:21:50.620 this country.

00:21:51.720 The New York Times, the Washington Post have acknowledged reality.

00:21:56.280 They finally admitted two years later that they were wrong, that the Hunter Biden laptop was

00:22:03.300 not Russian disinformation, but rather the disinformation came from the intelligence agencies

00:22:09.720 and those veterans who signed, those 51 veterans, including five CIA directors who signed that letter.

00:22:16.580 But what we have not seen is the follow-on.

00:22:19.760 Acknowledging the reality of that and all of the evidence within that laptop,

00:22:28.340 we haven't seen a prosecution of any kind, save one, which is a now six-year-old tax evasion

00:22:35.720 grand jury in Delaware under the auspices of the U.S. attorney that still has not brought

00:22:43.060 charges against Hunter Biden.

00:22:45.840 Mike, Ed, this is just absurdity.

00:22:50.180 I could not agree with you more.

00:22:51.380 I mean, there should have been, people should have been up in arms in the media about Hunter

00:22:57.100 Biden going to the Korean presidential dinner with all the background and China and what

00:23:02.400 have you and all this question about his tactics.

00:23:06.060 Why is he there making, I mean, he was brought to that dinner to basically show that he's still

00:23:10.900 in his father's favor.

00:23:11.720 And the reality here is, this is a guy, if this was my son, he'd be in the closet and

00:23:21.060 for bad behavior, he should be in jail or at least be in charge.

00:23:26.340 My concern, again, and I don't mean to be negative on all this, I think the Trump story

00:23:31.120 is going to be so overwhelming that people are going to argue that, well, Republicans

00:23:35.800 are just going after Biden because they're going after Biden because we're going after Trump.

00:23:39.240 And that Biden's an old man and he doesn't know what's going on.

00:23:43.440 And, you know, he's not a bad guy and he's not a bad president. 0.82

00:23:46.820 Trump's a bad guy.

00:23:48.180 And I think there's so much stuff out there.

00:23:50.100 I just think it's going to be hard.

00:23:51.820 You know, you're the news guys.

00:23:53.280 I think it's going to be hard to get these networks, times, all the rest of them to

00:23:57.440 basically cover the stuff accurately and adequately.

00:24:01.360 Well, that, if I could just say quickly, I think that's where time is of the essence.

00:24:05.580 You have to get it done this year.

00:24:07.520 You can't count on it next year.

00:24:10.060 And it's the sooner, the better.

00:24:11.420 I mean, once you start having Republican debates, I think that's going to happen late in the

00:24:17.020 summer.

00:24:17.540 So there's an urgency for getting this information out there.

00:24:23.180 And we'll be talking about that urgency as we continue with Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin

00:24:27.980 here on The Great America Show.

00:24:29.600 Stay with us.

00:24:30.140 We're coming right back.

00:24:31.880 And welcome back.

00:24:33.240 You're with the A-Team, the savant, Ed Rollins, and the New York Post, Michael Goodwin.

00:24:39.480 Gentlemen, let's talk about the urgency of the thing.

00:24:43.140 We have very little, I think, reason for optimism that the national media is going to pick up

00:24:49.900 the story.

00:24:50.820 I think your point about there has to be leadership.

00:24:53.480 And so the question becomes, Michael, is McCarthy that leader?

00:25:03.240 Well, you know, instinctively, Lou, I would say no, because he never has been.

00:25:10.100 But as you pointed out earlier, he's been more impressive than I imagined.

00:25:16.620 I mean, the way he prevailed going back to the speaker vote, the way he hung in there,

00:25:22.940 I think everyone thought he would at some point bow out to the reality.

00:25:27.820 But he hung in there.

00:25:29.240 Whatever deals he made do not seem to have hampered him in any way so far that I can see.

00:25:34.840 But I think ultimately, and I agree with you on the debt ceiling, I think it was a real

00:25:42.720 win for him the way he got to raise the debt limit while cutting the budget.

00:25:50.580 And as the Wall Street Journal editorial page said today, you know, Schumer and Biden are

00:25:56.940 just refusing to negotiate.

00:25:58.600 Well, that's not going to work.

00:25:59.840 So, so far, I'm impressed with McCarthy, but I still think, for my opinion, he's still

00:26:08.880 got a lot to prove that he can be as fierce a leader as, say, Nancy Pelosi was or Newt

00:26:16.540 Gingrich was, others who have sort of taken a small majority and turned it into a powerful

00:26:22.200 machine.

00:26:22.760 Well, and we've got to acknowledge all of the subpoenas that have been issued by the

00:26:29.200 Judiciary Committee in particular, but also oversight, bringing in the suspicious activity

00:26:34.760 reports on Hunter Biden and others in the Biden family.

00:26:40.940 The Judiciary Committee is not, Jim Jordan is not mincing words.

00:26:45.780 He is moving ahead and really holding people to account.

00:26:49.860 He's not going to tolerate any more, it appears, of the stonewalling. 1.00

00:26:54.780 I happen to think that they are leading.

00:26:58.700 And on these investigative teams, I'm going to say something about leadership here, Ed.

00:27:03.260 I think that I think McCarthy has been very wise not to interfere with the leadership of

00:27:09.940 James Comer and Jim Jordan.

00:27:11.760 Your thoughts?

00:27:12.940 I would agree with that.

00:27:14.160 I think they're two important allies of his.

00:27:16.140 And obviously, at the end of the day, I think they have done a good job.

00:27:19.200 But it comes down to, we have seen how slow the justice system is, and I think to a certain

00:27:23.720 extent.

00:27:24.600 So the committees come up, and again, the committees are close, the vote, the whole

00:27:28.680 Congress is close.

00:27:30.220 Where does it go?

00:27:31.340 What do they do with it?

00:27:32.260 They find the information, they put it out, who picks it up, who runs with it?

00:27:36.960 That's the critical thing here for me.

00:27:38.880 How do you sustain it?

00:27:39.880 How do you make it so overwhelming?

00:27:41.700 The country basically starts saying, wait a minute, we need to get, we need to look hard

00:27:45.560 at this thing, it's going to have an impact on the presidential race with Biden, who most

00:27:49.580 people in the Democratic Party don't want, the kid ought to be put in jail.

00:27:53.920 Is that going to happen?

00:27:54.920 I don't know.

00:27:56.000 And I just think you've got so much out there in the clutter.

00:27:58.820 And the problem with Americans today is that there's so much clutter everywhere, whether

00:28:04.440 it's on your television set, or whether it's in your newspapers, or whether it's on your

00:28:07.500 computer.

00:28:08.420 How do you break through?

00:28:09.620 And that's going to be the strategy here, is how do you break through?

00:28:12.380 And the best way to break through is to get two or three of these things that will outrage

00:28:16.420 people, and make those the arguments that you make over and over and over again, and

00:28:20.920 then expand it beyond that.

00:28:22.320 Don't have five different, six different people out there saying different things on different

00:28:26.100 days.

00:28:26.500 Well, we're watching really two tracks then.

00:28:31.040 We're watching the track on the investigations committees, and we're watching what is happening

00:28:36.760 with the Republican Party.

00:28:38.360 That involves two other tracks.

00:28:40.500 One is the political persecution of Donald Trump that's now in its eighth year, that has

00:28:46.640 entered its eighth year, as well as the primary process.

00:28:49.900 As far as the primary process goes, he is in amazing shape, leading DeSantis by, what, 30,

00:28:57.520 40 points?

00:28:58.360 Pick the poll.

00:28:59.920 This is over before it begins, unless there's some...

00:29:03.100 Well, as I said at the beginning of the show, there's no Republican going to beat Trump in

00:29:11.580 the primaries today, next month, two months from now.

00:29:15.020 I just worry about the legal stuff bogging him down, or he gets the nomination, and it's

00:29:19.520 worthless, because you can't get an independent vote to go for you.

00:29:21.860 You know, when you say the legal troubles, and I agree with you 100%, he's got, by my count,

00:29:28.040 five legal actions against him right now, federal, local, and state-led, three of those

00:29:34.400 cases in New York.

00:29:35.980 But think back to what we've witnessed over the court since 2016.

00:29:41.740 He's had the federal government try to frame him, the entire intelligence apparatus arrayed

00:29:47.340 against him.

00:29:49.060 They've tried to overthrow him.

00:29:50.880 They've impeached him twice.

00:29:52.080 There are now two special counsels.

00:29:54.800 And the man was under investigation, FBI investigation, for four years, his full term in office.

00:30:02.920 I don't know.

00:30:04.120 So I think, Mike, there's a suggestion here that he can handle legal problems pretty well.

00:30:09.360 What do you think?

00:30:11.140 Well, it is.

00:30:12.420 I was talking to some people last night about this and the Georgia case.

00:30:16.880 So if you look at each one of these pending cases, you have the Georgia case, you have the

00:30:21.500 two federal cases with the special counsel.

00:30:24.400 You have the Alvin Bragg indictment already in Manhattan.

00:30:28.220 You have this civil rape case going on, the trial now.

00:30:33.120 And then there's, I think, another, there's the business case.

00:30:36.900 Yeah, Letitia James. 0.92

00:30:38.080 Business fraud.

00:30:38.680 Yeah, the business state attorney general.

00:30:40.760 So, you know, talking to these people last night who are all well-versed in both the politics

00:30:46.380 and the business aspects and not necessarily Trump supporters, but they agreed that all of

00:30:52.240 these cases have some hair on them.

00:30:54.260 In other words, there's something about them that's not quite right.

00:30:58.620 There's something about them that feels peculiarly aimed at Donald Trump.

00:31:02.760 So the rape case is almost 30 years old.

00:31:07.020 The Georgia case with you find me some votes.

00:31:12.460 The chair of the grand jury was a cuckoo bird when she came out on those. 1.00

00:31:18.940 I mean, so, and the two, and the special counsel with the January 6th and the documents, does

00:31:25.560 any, I said, does anyone remember that there's also a special counsel for investigating Joe

00:31:30.660 Biden on classified documents?

00:31:32.400 Have you heard any leaks from them yet?

00:31:34.380 So this sense of selective prosecution, I think, already clouds those two cases.

00:31:40.180 I don't know how it all ends up, but I think within those who are inclined to support Trump

00:31:46.120 or who think that all of these federal, all these cases are somehow just prejudicial and

00:31:52.420 basic level, I don't know how much it's going to hurt him, no matter the outcome.

00:31:58.100 It'll hurt him some, but I think it may be marginal.

00:32:01.380 Well, all it has to be, all it has to be is marginal.

00:32:05.020 If you take this rape case, which, you know, to me, it's an old situation, and I think to

00:32:12.460 a certain extent, you know, I was thinking the other day, if Donald Trump had walked away

00:32:16.620 the day after the election or pursued his legal challenges and went to the inauguration and

00:32:23.520 said, you know, I wish you well, I'm going to give you 30 days, and then I'm going to be

00:32:26.800 the opposition, he would be on his way to the greatest reelection effort ever.

00:32:31.380 I think today, all of this stuff has come about because the activities after that, you've

00:32:37.740 had the old network we all dealt with, Fox, it's somewhat crippled, maybe even more crippled.

00:32:42.980 All the tools that Trump has had historically are going to be challenged, including his people.

00:32:48.520 There's still a bunch, you know, these aren't just him alone, they're going to be some of

00:32:51.380 his people that are going to go down.

00:32:52.820 And I just think that, you know, I wish him well, I certainly believe that he has the right

00:32:57.480 to prove his innocence, and all it takes is one juror.

00:33:00.320 But even getting the one juror, trying to get a juror in New York, and a place in which

00:33:05.620 Trump got 23% of the vote, trying to get a District of Columbia, which he got 5% of the

00:33:10.540 vote, trying to get it in Georgia, where 70% of the voters, the largest vote ever for Democrats

00:33:17.120 since Kennedy, for Biden, it's hard to get a jury pool that's going to give you that

00:33:22.360 one or two people.

00:33:23.680 All he has to do is beat a couple of these cases, and he's on his way, but those are going

00:33:27.140 to be tough, tough challenges.

00:33:28.920 And I just keep going back to the distraction.

00:33:32.000 I've been involved helping, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been involved in a lot of cases as

00:33:36.360 a strategist.

00:33:36.940 Once you get dragged into these courthole situations, it's awful, awful hard to basically

00:33:42.900 focus.

00:33:45.200 And a campaign, and especially a campaign that's going to be close, as it's been the last two,

00:33:49.640 it's hard to not be distracted.

00:33:51.740 I submit to you that those intelligence officials, the Biden campaign, perhaps at the behest of

00:33:59.580 even President Obama, who was president during that point, with all of those intelligence

00:34:04.660 officials with a deputy secretary of state by the name of Tony Anthony Blinken leading

00:34:12.540 the way, they changed history.

00:34:16.300 What do you think, Michael?

00:34:18.100 Yeah, absolutely.

00:34:19.240 That was the greatest disinformation spectacle that we've seen in a long time.

00:34:25.320 You know, I would add another dimension, too, which is in 2016, Jake Sullivan, now the

00:34:31.920 National Security Advisor worked with Hillary Clinton's campaign, spreading the Steele dossier.

00:34:38.520 So you have our National Security Advisor and our Secretary of State, both involved up to

00:34:45.080 their eyeballs in dirty political tricks.

00:34:48.420 I mean, if that is not evidence of a deep state, and along with the signers of that letter,

00:34:54.720 I mean, it is a deep state that is corrupt and that turned a presidential election.

00:35:00.420 They meddled in a presidential election and probably turned it. 0.98

00:35:04.560 That's pretty serious stuff.

00:35:07.180 Where do you go for your court of resolve?

00:35:09.640 Where do you get your justification?

00:35:11.760 My sense, if Biden gets in trouble, his kid gets in more trouble, they'll go plead guilty

00:35:17.720 to, they'll take a plea, a tax evasion or some minor thing, and he'll get six months suspended

00:35:24.520 probation.

00:35:25.000 They control the mechanism today.

00:35:28.760 And that's what I worry about.

00:35:31.280 I want to go back.

00:35:32.500 I'm sorry.

00:35:32.780 Go ahead, Michael.

00:35:33.640 Let's just say quickly, you know, on the case, I agree with you, Ed, because there's

00:35:37.420 no, if the Justice Department closes that case with a plea deal or whatever, it's sort of

00:35:44.120 going to shut it all down.

00:35:45.760 And of course, they have to do that at some level, because any serious investigation takes

00:35:51.180 you to the president, and that's not something Merrick Garland is ever going to do.

00:35:55.760 I agree totally.

00:35:56.640 That's my worry now.

00:35:57.800 Well, we have something that does take us to the president, though, if this New York Post

00:36:03.440 story holds up, and that is that Comer's committee is subpoenaing an FBI file, specifically on

00:36:12.940 the basis of the whistleblower, that they say links Joe Biden to a criminal scheme.

00:36:20.280 If so, this will be the closest, the closest we have ever been to a serious, serious injury

00:36:29.520 to the Biden presidency and its claim to legitimacy.

00:36:33.620 And I'd like to close with your thoughts on that possibility.

00:36:39.020 I think with the lack of support that Biden has among Democrats, if you could have a story

00:36:44.140 like that that has legs and credibility, he will be the nominee for president.

00:36:49.120 He'll step aside, they'll get rid of Harris, and he'll find a whole new ticket.

00:36:53.660 I don't know who that ticket will be, but my sense, if that occurs, he can't win.

00:37:00.120 Look, this has the potential to be a spectacular story in the sense that this thing has been

00:37:06.220 bubbling around out there, you know, since 2020, and the media has tried to ignore it,

00:37:12.580 but so far, they've not been able to kill it.

00:37:14.900 And if it comes back and bites the Democrats in the stretch run of a campaign, it would

00:37:21.800 be justice because they could have resolved this earlier had the media not sat on, not

00:37:28.120 tried to protect Joe Biden.

00:37:30.800 And with that, we always give our guests, gentlemen, the last word.

00:37:35.880 Ed, if we may begin with you, your concluding thoughts here, and then you, Michael, if you

00:37:40.300 would, please.

00:37:40.800 My concluding thoughts is this is my 50th year in American politics when I first came

00:37:45.420 to Washington 50 years ago.

00:37:48.060 I expect a campaign I've never seen before.

00:37:50.920 I think there's so many turns and tosses that are going to occur.

00:37:54.960 Anyone that tries to make a prediction this far out is crazy.

00:38:00.500 We're going to see lots and lots of activity and lots and lots of things happen.

00:38:04.380 It'll totally surprise us.

00:38:05.560 Yeah, look, it is funny when you look at the sort of the public doesn't really want a

00:38:13.120 Trump-Biden rematch.

00:38:14.400 No, they don't.

00:38:15.580 Yeah.

00:38:15.960 So it's interesting.

00:38:17.320 That's where we're headed right now.

00:38:19.520 And, you know, it's going to be fascinating to see if there's anything that takes out one

00:38:25.060 of them and rejiggers the political map, because right now we are headed for a Trump-Biden rematch.

00:38:32.360 And with that, I'm going to say thank you very much to the A-team, Ed Rollins, Michael Goodwin.

00:38:39.580 Gentlemen, thanks so much for being with us here on The Great America Show.

00:38:42.880 I hope to see you soon.

00:38:44.460 I'd love to keep the band together and as frequently as we can corral you into joining

00:38:50.200 us here on The Great America Show in the weeks ahead.

00:38:52.820 Thanks.

00:38:53.440 Thank you.

00:38:54.480 Thank you.

00:38:55.580 Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin, great Americans and friends.

00:38:59.220 Thanks, everybody, for being with us.

00:39:00.900 Here tomorrow will be the founder and editor-in-chief of Just the News, John Solomon.

00:39:06.760 So please join us for tomorrow's edition of The Great America Show.

00:39:11.180 Till then, thanks, God bless you, and God bless America.

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