WILL BANK DOCS BUST BIDEN?
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Biden is nowhere to be seen, nowhere near the White House, not visible wherever he is, but he still has a message for his own son: "Lying Joe." Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin join host Lou Dobbs on the Great America Show to discuss the latest developments in the Biden scandal.
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Hello everybody, I'm Lou Dobbs and welcome to the Great America Show.
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We began with what looks to be the most important event
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to this point in the House investigations of President Biden.
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saying his committee now has specific Biden family bank records,
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bribed the Biden family members in return for foreign policy decisions.
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the documents given to the committee by a legally protected whistleblower
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implicate President Biden in a pay-for-play scheme.
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This development comes as the Department of Justice is expected to announce
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And as Comer last week subpoenaed the FBI for a file that details
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an exchange of money for policy decisions plan while Biden was vice president.
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The committee demanding the FBI turn over that file by this Wednesday.
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And in an interview on Fox with Maria Bartiromo,
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Comer said he and Senator Chuck Grassley will hold a press conference Wednesday.
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And he has a warning for Attorney General Merrick Garland.
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My message to the Department of Justice is very loud and clear.
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Do not indict Hunter Biden before Wednesday when you have the opportunity to see the evidence
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that the House Oversight Committee will produce with respect to the web of LLCs,
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with respect to the number of adversarial countries that this family influence peddled in.
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This is about the entire Biden family, including the president of the United States.
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That Comer and Grassley press conference scheduled for this Wednesday,
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Biden, as usual, is nowhere to be seen, nowhere near the White House,
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But he also had a message and telling one of the most obvious lies of the many that he's ever told
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Anyone who's seen pictures from the Hunter Biden laptop knows better than that.
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There's a reason President Trump labeled it the laptop from hell.
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And anyone who's listened to the man President Trump and the 2020 campaign called Lying Joe knows better as well.
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Biden is a puppet, he is impaired mentally, and he is an inveterate liar,
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much like the corporatist media that covers him.
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But these latest numbers are shocking even for his own party and the Marxist Dems who lead it.
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63% of those polls say Biden is not mentally fit to hold the office of president.
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And in the same poll, 62% say Biden isn't physically fit either for the presidency.
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Trump and DeSantis both now beating him in the latest polls.
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When we need answers, we turn to two of my favorite political thinkers,
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the dean of Republican strategist, Ronald Reagan's political director, Ed Rollins,
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and the New York Post distinguished columnist, Michael Goodwin.
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It's absolutely a pleasure to have you both back with us.
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Well, let's sort of compare what's going on now to, you know, a quarter century ago.
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I keep saying to this audience, I have never, ever not only seen anything like this,
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And I am fairly skeptical how corrupt our federal government is.
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Ed, let's begin with you, your reaction to what we're living in.
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Well, no part of the government seems to be working.
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And the Supreme Court, which obviously does still work, is certainly under a different
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And my sense is the Congress will try and screw it up by ethics challenges and all the
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But at the end of the day here, the Congress is not working and can't work.
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You have a president who is clearly out of it most of the time.
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And the country is not happy with either choice they're going to have in the foreseeable future.
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They weren't happy necessarily the last time, but they're really unhappy now.
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So, and the president, the former president, President Trump, which we all supported, I think
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has so much chaos ahead of him that I don't see how you can possibly run a campaign.
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He will certainly be, if the election were held in the next month or the next week or
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tomorrow, he would be the nominee of the party.
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But after all the charges that are thrown at him, how do you basically get your campaign
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When there's 20 lawyers sitting down all trying to argue what you should do and you've got
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campaign staff sitting down there, you know, at the end of the day, my sense is just going
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to be very hard for him to launch a real campaign, an effective campaign, so.
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Well, Michael, your thoughts about what Ed said?
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Well, before I get to the politics of it, what I'm struck by mostly, Lou and Ed, is the
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lack of trust now in anything coming from Washington.
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And, I mean, with the FBI in particular, the CIA, I mean, I think one of the consent of
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the governed, which is what holds a democracy together, is really badly frayed.
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The other point I would make is that this cultural revolution that we're going through,
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where everything is under assault from the left, all of the institutions, the memory,
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the nation's memory, the nation's history, its heroes.
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You know, I wonder about young people in school today, who are they taught are America's heroes?
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He was slow with the Emancipation Proclamation, we're told.
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It can't be Washington or Jefferson or anybody else.
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So it just feels to me that the country is sort of fundamentally unraveling.
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And I don't see how anyone or I don't see anyone on the scene who's capable of the kind
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of broad trust that could put it back together or at least slam on the brakes of where we're
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going, because it just it does feel increasingly like we're headed for some kind of a crack
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And and I think people could be forgiven as well, Michael, for thinking we're in the
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midst of a crack up right now that may be irretrievable.
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This this damage that we've seen done to our culture, to our society, to our economy,
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to our political system, our governance, it may well be irreparable.
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I think at the end of the day here, the young people and certainly the covid took them out
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Both kids who needed more education or any education and the work, the work subject.
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I had a physical yesterday with my doctor and she said to me that young people who come
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to her who used to go to work for Goldman Sachs or what have you don't want to be there
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Don't don't believe that hard work matters anymore and they want time off and they want
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And they're very, very unhappy and they all want medication that makes them happy.
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And I've never had a doctor tell me that before, but it certainly makes great sense.
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And the social media that if you think you're living a good life, all you have to do is
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get on social media, some of your friends and read their lives where they're going someplace
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every weekend on a yacht or to a gala ball or what have you.
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You know, and to a certain extent, the political system is not something that I spent 50 years
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And, you know, the New York Times is a series of how you can expand the Congress to seven or
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I thought, my God, we had to cut it down to 50.
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And so you go have spent nine billion dollars, as we did in the presidential campaign, to
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come out even in the Senate and have a two two seat margin in the in the House.
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It's not going to work for the foreseeable future.
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So, you know, to that point, I was talking with a with a congressman who will be obviously
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unidentified here talking about how disappointed they were in what is happening in Congress.
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And I'm watching the Republican conference and I'm thinking this is the best I've ever
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seen Republicans operate in the at the onset of a of a Congress.
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I mean, the 118th Congress is now a little over just about four months old.
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And and I think they're doing amazing things with their investigative committees.
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They're I actually suggested on the air that they not proceed with the debt ceiling fight because
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I've never seen the Republicans win that fight, but they're even making it seems at least some
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I mean, we're looking at a group of people who are tough.
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They're fighters, but they're really disappointed in and how little Congress can get done.
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And this handful that I've talked to your thoughts, Michael.
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Well, I I'm also impressed by the the investigative committees, Comer, Jim Jordan, Turner.
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I think they've they've really come out of the gate.
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I was a little concerned in the beginning that they seem to be slow walking and sort of talking
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ahead of the evidence before they put the evidence out.
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But I think that's been corrected, you know, the they're now sharing more of the evidence
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as they as they go public and, you know, putting up the results, I think, is going to be important
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because they have a very big job of convincing the American people what they're doing.
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You know, my my wife said to me recently, I was talking about Hunter Biden, giving her one
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of my Hunter Biden speeches, and she said, you know, honey, nobody else talks that way.
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And it occurred to me that there is still a large segment of the country that doesn't know
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what we know about Hunter Biden and Joe Biden and the big guy and Tony Bobulinski.
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Tony Bobulinski, for example, is not a household name.
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He publicly identified Joe Biden as the big guy.
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He met with Joe Biden and and said Joe Biden knew all about the deal with the Chinese conglomerates.
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And obviously, it would quickly get you back to The New York Times, CNN, MSNBC, who have shut all of this down.
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But I think the Republicans in Congress are making real headway against that.
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And if they continue to produce these whistleblowers and these findings and open up the Justice
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Department and the FBI and get the documents that are in there, I think you will see a public
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that becomes knowledgeable about the Biden family scandals and will then react in a political
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I think the biggest failing that I don't disagree with any of what I just said, it just is no
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You can't just have the chairman carried along.
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Every member ought to be out there every weekend, going back to their community and saying, here
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Here are the four or five things we want to talk about this week.
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I mean, we three pay attention to everything that goes on.
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And but the vast majority in the country don't care.
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And they may care if they know what's really going on.
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But the mere fact that the whole Biden letter, you are very familiar with, Michael, or the
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Secretary of State, who is not the Secretary of State, gathered this information, which
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was all false, got all these big names to sign a letter that basically said that everything
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that was in the letter, everything that had been charged was false.
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That should be an indictable charge in which the Secretary of State I'd be thrown out
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The only things that aren't one-day stories are what's happening to Donald Trump.
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And the conservative networks are all getting knocked out of the box.
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And the mainstream media is getting more and more attention paid to it because that's
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And the young people aren't paying attention to any of it.
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So what's turning out is I talk to my daughter and my daughter's friends who are 28 years
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Whether Democrats or Republicans, they don't care.
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Well, I'd say that they've got good evidence to support their view on the system right
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And the drumbeat, I think, also, Ed, you're exactly right.
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We're going to take that up as we continue with Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin.
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We're talking with the savant himself, Ed Rollins, and the New York Post brilliant
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And Ed, we're talking about your daughter not necessarily thinking this is a system that's
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To that point, the New York Post with a story saying that the FBI has a file linking the
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president of the United States, a scheme that is directly related to a criminal scheme.
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And that coming from James Comer's subpoenas, your thoughts on that, Michael, that's an
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And that's going to be tested, I would guess, rather quickly.
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Look, I have no doubts myself that Joe Biden is up to his eyeballs in this influence peddling
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I mean, the more you look at the people that Hunter Biden and Jim Biden met with around the
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world, the more you have to say, well, how did they know to go to those people?
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And there's only one way they would know, and that would be Joe Biden pointed them in
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He may have even arranged the interviews in some cases.
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So while I'm reluctant to call Joe Biden a mastermind about anything, I think he was the
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mastermind of this scam and this influence peddling that the whole Biden family profited from.
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So I think that getting that out there, and as Bob Alinsky says recently now, that he has
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He said initially that he just sort of saw this wave of different Chinese companies coming at
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Hunter Biden with opportunities and Hunter Biden soliciting them.
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He now believes that it was a Chinese intelligence operation from the beginning that targeted Joe
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Biden and was just simply using Hunter to get to Joe.
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And so that there was an overall plan from the get go by the Chinese government and the
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That speaks volumes to, I believe, Joe Biden's behavior toward China.
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The balloon, for example, the spy balloon was no big deal, he said.
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The other day, he said he's not worried about China.
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He's never gone after them on the virus, the origin of the virus.
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The Uyghurs, have you heard a mention of the Uyghurs since Joe Biden became president?
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I mean, there are all of these indications that he is compromised.
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And while it pains me to say it, I think if we're going to have a government that goes after
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a president as this government went after Donald Trump, the least we can expect is that the same
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institutions and agencies go after any hint that the current president is corrupt and with the same
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vigor and maybe some of the same techniques that they used against the former president.
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But I think the Republican Congress is is starting to push in that direction.
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Your your thoughts on that, Ed, is it likely that we'll see any kind of energy from the permanent
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bureaucracy, the Department of Justice, the FBI, even remotely interested in investigating Joe Biden and
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I think Joe Biden was a very experienced guy getting getting every kind of contribution there was when
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I don't think he ever anticipated being president.
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But I think the problem we face now is that the Washington bureaucracy does not see Biden as a
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And the players around him, which have been the same players for a long period of time, are going to be the
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And I think to a certain extent, they assume that the Congress that has a two-seat margin
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in the House is probably going to lose that seat, those seats in the next election and possibly the
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And they're going to play, they're going to basically play the game that you're going to
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And unless, again, unless the Congress, the House members unite and say, communicating my
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message and our things here are most serious and making sure that every charge you make is a
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legitimate charge and one that you can prove, it's just going to go by the wayside.
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With that, obviously, we're talking about leadership.
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Jim Jordan, James Comer, impressing me mightily as they lead their committees, their respective
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committees, Jordan Judiciary and the Weaponization Subcommittee and Comer House Oversight.
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I have a feeling that we're going to see, I truly believe this, I have a feeling we're
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Well, look, I agree with Ed in the sense that there needs to be a strategy, a focused strategy
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It can't be these individual committees out there on their own.
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In the same way that Nancy Pelosi created the January 6th Committee and stayed on top
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I think that's what Kevin McCarthy needs to do.
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I don't know if he has somebody on his leadership team, Ed would know best, who's capable of exercising
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that kind of discipline, if it's not McCarthy himself.
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But I agree with you, Lou, too, that I am optimistic about this.
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And I do believe that there will come a tipping point.
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In the same way that you say Richard Nixon, for example, at some level, you have to persuade
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the media, the media has to be persuaded, let's put it that way, that this is legitimate, that
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it matters, and that they are not going to protect the president in this era when he seems
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to be corrupt, when there's evidence of his personal corruption.
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I think that's the tipping point that has to happen so that the wider public is all confronted
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with this information instead of it just coming out of a couple of pockets of the media.
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And to that point, I think we also have to give considerable weight to the fact that most
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of media is controlled by the corporatist ownership that spans, what, 90 percent of all media in
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The New York Times, the Washington Post have acknowledged reality.
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They finally admitted two years later that they were wrong, that the Hunter Biden laptop was
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not Russian disinformation, but rather the disinformation came from the intelligence agencies
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and those veterans who signed, those 51 veterans, including five CIA directors who signed that letter.
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Acknowledging the reality of that and all of the evidence within that laptop,
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we haven't seen a prosecution of any kind, save one, which is a now six-year-old tax evasion
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grand jury in Delaware under the auspices of the U.S. attorney that still has not brought
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I mean, there should have been, people should have been up in arms in the media about Hunter
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Biden going to the Korean presidential dinner with all the background and China and what
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have you and all this question about his tactics.
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Why is he there making, I mean, he was brought to that dinner to basically show that he's still
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And the reality here is, this is a guy, if this was my son, he'd be in the closet and
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for bad behavior, he should be in jail or at least be in charge.
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My concern, again, and I don't mean to be negative on all this, I think the Trump story
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is going to be so overwhelming that people are going to argue that, well, Republicans
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are just going after Biden because they're going after Biden because we're going after Trump.
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And that Biden's an old man and he doesn't know what's going on.
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And, you know, he's not a bad guy and he's not a bad president.
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I think it's going to be hard to get these networks, times, all the rest of them to
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basically cover the stuff accurately and adequately.
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Well, that, if I could just say quickly, I think that's where time is of the essence.
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I mean, once you start having Republican debates, I think that's going to happen late in the
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So there's an urgency for getting this information out there.
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And we'll be talking about that urgency as we continue with Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin
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You're with the A-Team, the savant, Ed Rollins, and the New York Post, Michael Goodwin.
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Gentlemen, let's talk about the urgency of the thing.
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We have very little, I think, reason for optimism that the national media is going to pick up
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I think your point about there has to be leadership.
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And so the question becomes, Michael, is McCarthy that leader?
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Well, you know, instinctively, Lou, I would say no, because he never has been.
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But as you pointed out earlier, he's been more impressive than I imagined.
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I mean, the way he prevailed going back to the speaker vote, the way he hung in there,
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I think everyone thought he would at some point bow out to the reality.
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Whatever deals he made do not seem to have hampered him in any way so far that I can see.
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But I think ultimately, and I agree with you on the debt ceiling, I think it was a real
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win for him the way he got to raise the debt limit while cutting the budget.
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And as the Wall Street Journal editorial page said today, you know, Schumer and Biden are
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So, so far, I'm impressed with McCarthy, but I still think, for my opinion, he's still
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got a lot to prove that he can be as fierce a leader as, say, Nancy Pelosi was or Newt
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Gingrich was, others who have sort of taken a small majority and turned it into a powerful
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Well, and we've got to acknowledge all of the subpoenas that have been issued by the
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Judiciary Committee in particular, but also oversight, bringing in the suspicious activity
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reports on Hunter Biden and others in the Biden family.
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The Judiciary Committee is not, Jim Jordan is not mincing words.
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He is moving ahead and really holding people to account.
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He's not going to tolerate any more, it appears, of the stonewalling.
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And on these investigative teams, I'm going to say something about leadership here, Ed.
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I think that I think McCarthy has been very wise not to interfere with the leadership of
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And obviously, at the end of the day, I think they have done a good job.
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But it comes down to, we have seen how slow the justice system is, and I think to a certain
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So the committees come up, and again, the committees are close, the vote, the whole
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They find the information, they put it out, who picks it up, who runs with it?
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The country basically starts saying, wait a minute, we need to get, we need to look hard
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at this thing, it's going to have an impact on the presidential race with Biden, who most
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people in the Democratic Party don't want, the kid ought to be put in jail.
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And I just think you've got so much out there in the clutter.
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And the problem with Americans today is that there's so much clutter everywhere, whether
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it's on your television set, or whether it's in your newspapers, or whether it's on your
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And that's going to be the strategy here, is how do you break through?
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And the best way to break through is to get two or three of these things that will outrage
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people, and make those the arguments that you make over and over and over again, and
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Don't have five different, six different people out there saying different things on different
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We're watching the track on the investigations committees, and we're watching what is happening
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One is the political persecution of Donald Trump that's now in its eighth year, that has
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entered its eighth year, as well as the primary process.
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As far as the primary process goes, he is in amazing shape, leading DeSantis by, what, 30,
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This is over before it begins, unless there's some...
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Well, as I said at the beginning of the show, there's no Republican going to beat Trump in
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the primaries today, next month, two months from now.
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I just worry about the legal stuff bogging him down, or he gets the nomination, and it's
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worthless, because you can't get an independent vote to go for you.
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You know, when you say the legal troubles, and I agree with you 100%, he's got, by my count,
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five legal actions against him right now, federal, local, and state-led, three of those
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But think back to what we've witnessed over the court since 2016.
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He's had the federal government try to frame him, the entire intelligence apparatus arrayed
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And the man was under investigation, FBI investigation, for four years, his full term in office.
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So I think, Mike, there's a suggestion here that he can handle legal problems pretty well.
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I was talking to some people last night about this and the Georgia case.
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So if you look at each one of these pending cases, you have the Georgia case, you have the
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You have the Alvin Bragg indictment already in Manhattan.
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You have this civil rape case going on, the trial now.
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And then there's, I think, another, there's the business case.
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So, you know, talking to these people last night who are all well-versed in both the politics
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and the business aspects and not necessarily Trump supporters, but they agreed that all of
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In other words, there's something about them that's not quite right.
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There's something about them that feels peculiarly aimed at Donald Trump.
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The chair of the grand jury was a cuckoo bird when she came out on those.
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I mean, so, and the two, and the special counsel with the January 6th and the documents, does
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any, I said, does anyone remember that there's also a special counsel for investigating Joe
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So this sense of selective prosecution, I think, already clouds those two cases.
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I don't know how it all ends up, but I think within those who are inclined to support Trump
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or who think that all of these federal, all these cases are somehow just prejudicial and
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basic level, I don't know how much it's going to hurt him, no matter the outcome.
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It'll hurt him some, but I think it may be marginal.
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Well, all it has to be, all it has to be is marginal.
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If you take this rape case, which, you know, to me, it's an old situation, and I think to
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a certain extent, you know, I was thinking the other day, if Donald Trump had walked away
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the day after the election or pursued his legal challenges and went to the inauguration and
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said, you know, I wish you well, I'm going to give you 30 days, and then I'm going to be
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the opposition, he would be on his way to the greatest reelection effort ever.
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I think today, all of this stuff has come about because the activities after that, you've
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had the old network we all dealt with, Fox, it's somewhat crippled, maybe even more crippled.
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All the tools that Trump has had historically are going to be challenged, including his people.
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There's still a bunch, you know, these aren't just him alone, they're going to be some of
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And I just think that, you know, I wish him well, I certainly believe that he has the right
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to prove his innocence, and all it takes is one juror.
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But even getting the one juror, trying to get a juror in New York, and a place in which
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Trump got 23% of the vote, trying to get a District of Columbia, which he got 5% of the
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vote, trying to get it in Georgia, where 70% of the voters, the largest vote ever for Democrats
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since Kennedy, for Biden, it's hard to get a jury pool that's going to give you that
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All he has to do is beat a couple of these cases, and he's on his way, but those are going
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I've been involved helping, I'm not a lawyer, but I've been involved in a lot of cases as
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Once you get dragged into these courthole situations, it's awful, awful hard to basically
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And a campaign, and especially a campaign that's going to be close, as it's been the last two,
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I submit to you that those intelligence officials, the Biden campaign, perhaps at the behest of
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even President Obama, who was president during that point, with all of those intelligence
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officials with a deputy secretary of state by the name of Tony Anthony Blinken leading
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That was the greatest disinformation spectacle that we've seen in a long time.
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You know, I would add another dimension, too, which is in 2016, Jake Sullivan, now the
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National Security Advisor worked with Hillary Clinton's campaign, spreading the Steele dossier.
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So you have our National Security Advisor and our Secretary of State, both involved up to
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I mean, if that is not evidence of a deep state, and along with the signers of that letter,
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I mean, it is a deep state that is corrupt and that turned a presidential election.
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They meddled in a presidential election and probably turned it.
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My sense, if Biden gets in trouble, his kid gets in more trouble, they'll go plead guilty
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to, they'll take a plea, a tax evasion or some minor thing, and he'll get six months suspended
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Let's just say quickly, you know, on the case, I agree with you, Ed, because there's
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no, if the Justice Department closes that case with a plea deal or whatever, it's sort of
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And of course, they have to do that at some level, because any serious investigation takes
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you to the president, and that's not something Merrick Garland is ever going to do.
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Well, we have something that does take us to the president, though, if this New York Post
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story holds up, and that is that Comer's committee is subpoenaing an FBI file, specifically on
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the basis of the whistleblower, that they say links Joe Biden to a criminal scheme.
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If so, this will be the closest, the closest we have ever been to a serious, serious injury
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to the Biden presidency and its claim to legitimacy.
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And I'd like to close with your thoughts on that possibility.
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I think with the lack of support that Biden has among Democrats, if you could have a story
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like that that has legs and credibility, he will be the nominee for president.
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He'll step aside, they'll get rid of Harris, and he'll find a whole new ticket.
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I don't know who that ticket will be, but my sense, if that occurs, he can't win.
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Look, this has the potential to be a spectacular story in the sense that this thing has been
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bubbling around out there, you know, since 2020, and the media has tried to ignore it,
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And if it comes back and bites the Democrats in the stretch run of a campaign, it would
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be justice because they could have resolved this earlier had the media not sat on, not
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And with that, we always give our guests, gentlemen, the last word.
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Ed, if we may begin with you, your concluding thoughts here, and then you, Michael, if you
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My concluding thoughts is this is my 50th year in American politics when I first came
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I think there's so many turns and tosses that are going to occur.
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Anyone that tries to make a prediction this far out is crazy.
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We're going to see lots and lots of activity and lots and lots of things happen.
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Yeah, look, it is funny when you look at the sort of the public doesn't really want a
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And, you know, it's going to be fascinating to see if there's anything that takes out one
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of them and rejiggers the political map, because right now we are headed for a Trump-Biden rematch.
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And with that, I'm going to say thank you very much to the A-team, Ed Rollins, Michael Goodwin.
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Gentlemen, thanks so much for being with us here on The Great America Show.
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I'd love to keep the band together and as frequently as we can corral you into joining
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us here on The Great America Show in the weeks ahead.
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Ed Rollins and Michael Goodwin, great Americans and friends.
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Here tomorrow will be the founder and editor-in-chief of Just the News, John Solomon.
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So please join us for tomorrow's edition of The Great America Show.
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Till then, thanks, God bless you, and God bless America.