WILL THE GOP SURVIVE RINOS？
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Sean Davis, founder of the Federalist Web Magazine, Sean Davis joins us to talk about the 2020 presidential election, and why he believes there may have been significant fraud and irregularities in the vote count. Sean also talks about the recent indictments of Hillary Clinton's campaign manager John Durham and her campaign finance chief, Donna Brazile.
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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,
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always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.
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And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.
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Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Great America Show.
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Here we always keep in view what a great nation America is and what a great people we Americans are.
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Our perspective, obviously, the opposite of the left-wing national media and the Marxist left
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that controls the Democratic Party and insidiously permeates now our schools from kindergarten through university.
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Teachers in our public schools seem more energized by indoctrination rather than education of our young people.
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But we are coming to terms, aren't we, with the threats that this nation faces,
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whether from the left and the Democratic Party, or from within the Republican Party
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and the RINOs who further empowered the Biden administration and its socialist agenda.
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It may be more than socialist, but we'll leave it at socialist for now.
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Thirteen Republican members of the House, 19 senators,
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supporting the multi-trillion dollar spending plan of Mr. Biden.
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And Biden's buddy, Mitch McConnell, the Senate Majority Leader, hailed that bipartisan legislation.
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Thanks to his RINO stewardship, Biden was able to move this nation closer to being a debtor nation in perpetuity.
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There's much political confusion raging through our body politic now, and no wonder.
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We have a president and vice president who together have historic low approval ratings,
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who insult the intelligence of American voters almost daily,
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while blaming, for example, American consumers for supply chain disruptions.
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President Biden is keeping our border wide open and importing poverty and uneducated labor
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by bringing in what is estimated to be 2 million illegal immigrants in Biden's first full year in office.
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But amidst these confounding times, there are rays of transparency and some great clarity.
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With his recent indictment, special counsel, John Durham, is bringing facts to life to support
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what many of us have suspected for years and some of us have actually known.
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The Trump dossier was a fraud, a smear job organized by the Clinton campaign,
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the Democratic National Committee, a leading Democratic law firm,
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and, of course, the national left-wing media, obliging at almost every turn.
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Chronicling the outrages against President Donald Trump,
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the Federalist Web magazine has been amongst the most prominent news organizations
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covering the Russia hoax, the attempted impeachments of President Trump,
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the political carnival of 2020, and the presidential election beset by fraud, irregularities,
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and still unanswered questions about how the vote was counted and by whom.
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The Justice Department, the FBI, other investigative law enforcement agencies
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chose not to investigate, not to inquire, and simply stepped aside,
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leaving open the central and still red-hot political question,
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was there sufficient fraud and irregularities in the 2020 presidential election
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to have altered the outcome in favor of President Biden?
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Joining us now, the founder of the Federalist Web magazine, Sean Davis.
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He's also an entrepreneur, a journalist, a graduate of Texas Tech University,
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the Wharton School at the University of Pennsylvania.
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Sean, with those credentials, we're especially delighted to have you here,
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Will we ever know if there was sufficient fraud and irregularities in 2020
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to have altered the outcome of a presidential election?
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and it has to do with what I believe is the root of the problem.
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So I don't, personally, I do not believe that the balance of power was changed,
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that vote tallies were changed in the middle of the night,
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or that voting machines were, you know, changing results and all that.
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I actually think it was a lot more insidious than that.
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And it mainly did with how all the rules of how we've done elections were changed,
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you know, just a couple months before the election,
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especially with respect to all the mail-in ballots.
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So we had a system that was not really designed or prepared
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to be able to handle securely all that influx of ballots.
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ballots being mailed to just any address they had on file.
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There was reports all over of people getting, you know, six or seven ballots in their mail.
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I think the moment that the Democrat Party and the Biden campaign were able to use COVID
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you don't know if the person who's filling out the ballot
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I believe that once that happened, not only had the die been cast really for what the results were going to be,
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but also at that time, you kind of eliminated the ability to be able to go back in
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and figure out which votes were legal, which votes weren't legal.
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In some states, you had them throwing away ballot envelopes,
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so you couldn't even compare the envelope with the ballot that was in there.
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So I personally don't believe we will ever really know.
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Maybe, as the left says, it was the most safe and secure election ever.
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I don't think that's the case, but I think just the nature of how the system was kind of manipulated,
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we're never going to have in black and white and smoking gun
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what the numbers were and what they should have been.
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Yeah, I agree with you on your outlook for resolution and for answers.
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And I do think the great shame of this is not that fraud was perpetrated.
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It is that, first, the Republican Party lacked the intelligence and the guts
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and just simply the sense to be aware of what the Democrats were pulling off
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in the year preceding that election using, as you said, COVID as a screen and a shield and a fog
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in which to change election day to election months.
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And the result was an election with the least oversight, I believe, of any election,
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certainly in my memory and in my knowledge, ever occurring in this country.
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Right. And it wasn't just kind of a Democrat versus Republican thing.
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You also have to look at the role the courts played in here.
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There were there were indications in Pennsylvania, for example,
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where the courts just rewrote arbitrarily state law.
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They rewrote things that were required in the Constitution for how elections have to be run,
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namely that only the legislature can change these certain things.
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And you had the courts just go in and say, yeah, we're not going to do any of that.
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And then when either the Trump campaign or the party goes to the courts on the front end,
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you had the court saying, well, there's no there's no injury yet.
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There's no been not been an actual injury because we haven't had the election yet.
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And then when they went back after the election, when they could show injury,
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they said, oh, I mean, we already had the election.
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So your points kind of moot it was the courts took a, you know, a tails.
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You even had it with the Texas case where you had Texas suing other states and the Supreme
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Court, which is required by the Constitution to to adjudicate all disputes between states.
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It doesn't say the Supreme Court can do it if it feels like that's the that's the original
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court of jurisdiction for disputes between states.
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And the Supreme Court said, no, we're not going to do it.
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So it's to me, it's not just Republicans kind of being their typical feckless selves and
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You had the whole system really engineered against anyone who thought anything that was happening
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to Trump was maybe bad and might have really bad long term implications for the country.
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And the Supreme Court had two opportunities to intercede and to, if not be an investigative
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arm, but at least carry out its role as the supreme adjudicator of law and activities and
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It was if I think the word feckless moves now from an adjective for for Republicans to the
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And we kind of see that time and time again with with the Roberts court in particular with
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Roberts creating this idea in his head that the purpose of the court is to remain legitimate,
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whatever that means, in the eyes of the public, rather than having the constitutional duty
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to look at the law and the facts and do what the Constitution requires.
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So what what happens there with him is what happened in the Obamacare case, where he apparently
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And then the left wing corporate media bullied him.
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And then he ends up coming kind of on the back end with this completely tortured, incoherent,
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internally inconsistent reason why Obamacare was legal.
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This is a guy who said he can be he's shown that his court can be bullied into doing certain
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things with certain political outcomes by the corporate left wing media.
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And I think we saw that same dynamic play out in a lot of these election suits.
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And I'm not talking about the ones about like Dominion or vote stealing or whatever.
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I'm talking about very grave constitutional issues about who in this country is allowed to
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And clearly the legislatures had their authority usurped and the Supreme Court just kind of
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That's hugely problematic, regardless of which party it helps or hurts.
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But as you suggest, to be stunned by Justice Roberts' ability to torture both the law and
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the facts, we should, I suppose, have been stunned.
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But when you see him become subtly an advanced semanticist who can turn the word tax into a fee
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and then do double backflips to get to where he wants to be in the outcome of that case, the
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Obamacare case, it's just a mark on the court that will last, I guess, forever.
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You know, we're talking about the GOP leadership.
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It was happy to leave the questions about the 2020 elections.
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And like so many others in this country, just let it all be buried in the dustbin of history.
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But suddenly, a man many of us had given up on after two and a half years of investigation,
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suddenly arises and special counsel John Durham is indicted not only Democratic lawyer David
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Sussman, Igor Danchico, operative of the Brookings Institution, and Kevin Clinesmith.
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My goodness, we now have before us a foundation for judging the facts of the origins of Russiagate,
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Were you amongst those stunned at what we've seen develop over the last days?
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So I hadn't given up on Durham yet, although I was getting to be a little despondent.
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He clearly moves very deliberately and at his own pace.
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What really shocked me about the Sussman indictment, now Sussman was an attorney for the Clinton
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campaign in DNC, who was part of a scheme to go in and defraud the FBI about a bunch of
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So the Sussman thing and then the Danchenko one, the Sussman indictment to me came out of
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I followed every little twist and turn in this thing.
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Obviously, I knew that he had testified in the House and that he had some kind of role,
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but he was not at all on my radar as someone who might be in legal jeopardy.
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So the way that indictment was written, both for his alleged lies to the FBI and the case
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that it laid out for the whole Alphabank story being a complete Clinton campaign concocted fraud
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from the beginning, the detail there, I was stunned by.
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And then he comes with the Igor Danchenko, the indictment.
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This was the guy who is Christopher Steele, Clinton campaign subcontractor's primary subsource
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and the alleged source of so many of the sensational claims, which are all fabricated in the dossier.
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The specificity and the details and the facts in that indictment, including the fact that a Clinton campaign surrogate,
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a former Clinton presidency appointee, a former State Department official, was one of the people feeding lies to Danchenko.
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That blew me away because, again, that guy, his name is Charles Dolan, was this Clinton campaign surrogate.
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So to read that specificity and how Durham kind of told the story of the dossier, it was quite a read.
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And what I find most interesting is when you look back to when that original Inspector General report came out on the FISA stuff
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and what they did to Carter Page, Michael Horowitz, the DOJ IG, it said,
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all this stuff was bad, but I looked into it and I still think the whole Crossfire Hurricane case was properly predicated.
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And when that came out, you had both Attorney General William Barr and John Durham issue statements saying,
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And so I think that's the big thing that we're still waiting from Durham.
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He has already put a marker down saying, I don't think that case, even from the beginning, was properly predicated.
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And I think each little indictment he's doing is putting meat on the bones of that claim.
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But I'm looking forward to him telling that entire story, because once that's out,
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we know that everything from the whole 2016 campaign Russian collusion thing
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So I'm eager for him to continue and hopefully soon complete his work.
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I highlighted something that I completely missed, and that is the reference to
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Biden administration, the president's national security advisor, Jake Sullivan,
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being referenced in the Durham indictment of the Clinton lawyer, Michael Sussman.
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So I, you know, two weeks ago, I would have said probably none legally, you know, legal jeopardy.
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But having seen the Sussman thing and then now reading about what happened in the Dan
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My inclination is not, because in each of these different indictments and arrests, you had
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Kevin Kleinsmith, the FBI lawyer who fabricated claims in a FISA document in order to spy on
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You had Sussman lying to the FBI about who he was actually working for when he brought
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these fake claims about AltaBank to the FBI, who's working for the Clintons.
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And then Dan Shinko lying to the feds repeatedly about a whole bunch of stuff.
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Each one of these allegations has to do with lies that an individual told to a federal law
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I'm not aware of Jake Sullivan having walked in a bunch of nonsense to the FBI, authenticated
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Now, if he did that, I think he very much would be in legal jeopardy.
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And again, I don't know what John Durham knows, and he clearly knows way more than I do.
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So maybe he is in jeopardy, but my guess is probably not.
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I think there had to be exposure and interaction between individuals and the FBI in order for them
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Well, give me, give us your judgment as to how far has John Durham advanced the refutation
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of the lies of the Democrats, in particular on Capitol Hill, as they went after President
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Trump, two attempts at impeachment and overthrowing the president from the office.
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It is now an established wide conspiracy to attack a sitting president of the United States
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by a principal party of one of the two major parties in this country.
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And I actually think it's even worse than that.
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I almost kind of accept that the other side in a campaign or the loser after campaign is
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going to do whatever they can to screw over the person who beat him.
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Um, what I find most horrific, distasteful and awful for the long-term survival of the
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You know, specifically James Comey, uh, who held this completely fake briefing for Trump
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on allegations, which they all knew were false, uh, for the purpose of leaking it in order
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to legitimize a document that everyone knew was nonsense and couldn't be legitimized.
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Um, so you have Comey, McCabe, Strzok, Page, Clinesmith, that to me is absolutely horrific.
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Um, but to your question, you know, what, what does this do to kind of cement the reality
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Well, to those of us who follow the facts, it's, I mean, it's a, it's a completely damning
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But the problem is, you know, you don't control what most of the country hears in the news.
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Um, that, that job is held by the New York times and the Washington post, uh, NBC, CBS,
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They're not telling the truth about what's happening.
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They spent years bleeding about collusion and all these allegations.
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And the second we learned that all these allegations were nonsense, they're nowhere to
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So as far as, you know, the long-term public perception of what actually happened, uh, I
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don't know if it's going to change or not because of the power of these corrupt media
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companies have to just lie to their audience for the sole purpose of helping the Democrat
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And for, uh, what I call the corporate left-wing media, uh, I, I don't think most people, uh,
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really appreciate the degree to which this is a, uh, a corporate enterprise, uh, whether
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it's, uh, AT&T, it's ownership of CNN, uh, Comcast, it's ownership of NBC and all of
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its, uh, uh, uh, ancillary, uh, networks, including in MSNBC and CNBC and the list goes
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on or CBS Viacom and CBS news, Disney and ABC, uh, Jeff Bezos, the world's second richest
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man, uh, ownership of the Washington post, Carlos Slim and others who have concentrated
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This is, these are oligarchs in control of our principal news media in this country.
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And people go about their days thinking blissfully, this is an independent, uh, press.
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So much of the information we're, we're fed is controlled by tech oligarchs.
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If you say things he and his little minions don't like on Facebook, they're going to ban
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For example, we have the Kyle Rittenhouse trial in Wisconsin.
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If you tried to go and post a link to his, uh, GoFundMe to help fund his defense, and by
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the way, everyone in this country is entitled to defend themselves in courts of law.
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They're entitled to have attorneys and to be able to pay them.
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And it's not like the Zuckerberg is some disinterested observer.
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You had him throwing out 450 million some odd dollars, uh, during the 2020 election to
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privatize election offices in key States and counties, uh, throughout the country.
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You had his people going in to various election bureaus, finding ballots that they thought
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would be for Democrats and might have some problems with them and going and curing them
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and leaving alone all the ballots that they thought might go to Republicans alone to be
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So you have these oligarchs buying up control of our election offices, uh, controlling the
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And it's certainly not the country I grew up in.
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And I know it's not the country you grew up in.
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I remember on the playground when I was growing up and you'd get in arguments and fights and
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kids would say, if someone got mad at him, well, I can say whatever I want.
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I don't feel like it's the same country anymore.
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Well, and I'm sure you and I also, uh, suffer, uh, have suffered the consequences of, uh, trying
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to speak the truth as often as we, uh, uh, felt, uh, obliged or, uh, are responsible.
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Uh, the fact is, you know, I've gotten used to, uh, to consequences when I speak truth.
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And the, the fact of the matter is, uh, there's a, there's a little ray of sunshine over at
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Uh, and that's Eric Wimple, uh, the, uh, Wimple, uh, the Washington post media critic
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actually suggesting that those who use the dossier in this business, the journalists, uh,
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fine folks from the mother Jones, MSNBC, you know, Rachel Maddow, the McClatchy newspapers.
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Uh, it, it, it's really stunning that he acknowledged the problems created for those, uh, papers and
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Uh, I give him great credit because he says they have a lot of, uh, I will paraphrase.
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They've got a lot to account for your, your reaction.
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I mean, these, these are institutions and individuals who received Pulitzer prizes, the
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highest award in all of journalism, uh, for their reporting on Russian collusion.
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And it turns out the reporting was all nonsense.
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Everything they reported were lies fed to them, uh, by partisan operatives, either in the government
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Uh, it tells me that the spirit of Walter Durante, uh, is alive and well, if these people, if these
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institutions had any shame, any sense of ethics or self-respect, they would return those Pulitzers
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immediately and they would burn every single source that fed them lies for years and years
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And it's telling to me that not a single one of them has done that.
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They, they should be launching huge investigative teams right now to dig in to, uh, Russiagate
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the origins of the Russia collusion hoax, uh, and renew their efforts to, to satisfy the
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public's right to know and to correct, correct the history, at least the last five years of
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Uh, I think that's really their obligation here.
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And then they'll never do it because they're not actually journalistic organizations.
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They're Democrats, super PACs with bylines, broadcast licenses.
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And Sean Davis, co-founder of a terrific, terrific, uh, web magazine called the Federalist.
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And it, uh, it's worthy of the title, its content and its energy and, uh, all that it does to,
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Stay with us for more of the great America show.
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If you and I have anything to say about it, but under the Biden administration, we, well,
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we've got a little less freedom to say anything at all.
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At certain times, it's clear that President Biden and Vice President Harris are on a course toward
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They're authoritarian by nature and training and would prefer to rule by edict or fiat issuing
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mandate after mandate, executive order after executive order without, of course, justification
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Their legislative agenda is simply a catastrophe for many Americans.
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Biden has now signed $3 trillion of spending into law.
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And of course, no one knows what's precisely in that spending legislation, but we do know
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that it will significantly add to our already $30 trillion national debt.
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Biden and Harris have put this country on track to be a debtor nation forever.
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However, Biden administration's withdrawal from Afghanistan is simply an outrage.
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It's an insult for everything the country stands for.
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His inability to speak coherently or find his way into or out of a room without assistance
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But after the climate meeting fiasco, he's become a global laughingstock, appearing to fall
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asleep in the midst of those meetings he had told all of us were so important.
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And then it was passing wind, apparently in the presence of the royal family.
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Kamala could hardly speak of anything else, we have been told.
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As Mr. Biden would say, come on, man, give us all a break.
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The ineptitude and rank ideological fanaticism of the Biden administration is, of course, ignored
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by nearly all of the left-wing media, but not the American people.
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The most recent USA Today poll shows Biden's approval rating has plummeted to 38 percent.
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And the American people are quite obviously fed up with his antics and inadequacies.
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And as bad as his poll numbers are, his vice president's numbers are even worse.
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Vice President Harris's approval rating in the same USA Today poll plunged to, are you ready,
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28 percent, a historic low for any vice president in the modern era.
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She was the least popular Democratic presidential candidate back in 2020.
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And now she's even more unpopular than her unpopular boss.
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We don't have to ask why those numbers have plunged.
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They seem committed to destroying the nation with their feverish advocacy of Marxist radicalism
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and the outright lies that flow constantly from the Biden White House.
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They don't like to talk much to the news media, not even the left-wing news media.
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But fortunately, they can't hide from all of us.
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And amongst those investigating the Biden administration, their open border policies,
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their open arms to human smugglers that will result in 2 million illegal immigrants entering
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And of course, investigations into the Russia collusion hoax.
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The organization Judicial Watch is prominent among those organizations committed to discovering
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Judicial Watch is led by its president, Tom Fitton.
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And Tom, it's great to have you with us here and to talk once again.
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President Biden at 38 percent and Kamala Harris at 28 percent.
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And those numbers are, despite having all of the big media in his back pocket, Lou,
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first of all, it's good to be back with you again.
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Yeah, and I was glad to hear your opening statement, which was pithy and honest as always.
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You know, he's come in as one of the weakest presidents in recent memory in the sense that
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you have half of the country question his election.
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As you highlight, he's got all these cognitive challenges.
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And he's got all these personal corruption issues.
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What he's governing is if he's Ronald Reagan in his second term.
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And so rather than kind of going for big majorities in terms of policies, he's taking this hard
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turn to the left and the American people don't like it.
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A hard turn to the left, and it certainly couldn't be much more left wing than pushing critical race theory,
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driving restorative justice and psychoeducation, as Judicial Watch pointed out in Montgomery County schools.
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It's stunning what they are up to, what the Democratic Party is up to, what the Marxist left is insisting on
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and insinuating into schools, into government, into education.
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I mean, you know, taking it one step back, you've got Biden also having to manage the kind of the corrupt
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corporatist wing of the Democratic Party, which is bipartisan in nature, as you know, Lou,
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And to that end, you've got this fanaticism behind this repackaged Marxism known as critical race theory,
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The real pandemic schoolchildren we should be worrying about in terms of schoolchildren is critical race theory.
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And, you know, call it whatever you will, critical theory, critical race theory, climate justice.
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Every left wing narrative is essentially has Marx behind it.
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And they're lying because we're getting the documents showing that it is they're pursuing this fundamentally racist,
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I mean, in Montgomery County, you're pointing out in Maryland, one of the I'm still shaking my head at this one.
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Montgomery County is the biggest school district in Maryland, for those of you not in the area.
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And they've got this recommendation that teachers should be pushing anti-racist baby, right, by Abram Kendi,
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one of the big promoters of critical race theory.
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And they said it's great for babies to toddlers, to three-year-olds.
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So, you know, this fanaticism, and as you pointed out, the totalitarianism of this movement knows no bounds
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because, you know, it's in the word, totalitarian, it's total.
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Your investigation into Fauci and the relationship with the CCP in China
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and the public health agencies there that are the analogs to our own,
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whether it be the CDC, the NIH, or virology labs like the one in Wuhan,
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there is obviously a great deal of communication, a great deal of networking and concerted efforts
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in the placement of Chinese officials and international health organizations, including WHO.
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Well, you know, let's go back to the beginning.
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WHO is an international organization, like most international transnational organizations.
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They're controlled by the bad guys, and in this case, China.
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So one of the first things that happened after it became known, that this China virus,
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was WHO started collaborating with all the various countries, including China,
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and they issued a press release on it, we found, on the international response to COVID.
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And the release, it was noted in the documents, went out of its way to praise China.
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And then later, as they're investigating China, China starts requiring, it looks like in the documents,
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additional confidentiality terms for our government officials, Fauci's deputy, to go and investigate China.
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And then when you look further back, you see this collaboration with China.
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It's just like, it's jaw-dropping in the breadth and scope and length of how far back it's been going
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in terms of the Chinese research agencies and research entities working with government money,
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our government money, to do all sorts of biologic research, including, it's now confirmed,
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thanks to pressure from Judicial Watch litigation, gate of function research.
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And, I mean, when you see documents, I didn't know, did you know, Lou, that Fauci's agency had a person in Beijing
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who was charged with monitoring what was going on there, including visiting Wuhan often.
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And they were very nervous about what was going on in Wuhan.
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They've got a spy operation running against Wuhan while giving them money at the same time.
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Only, you know, Fauci's got a lot to answer for, I tell you.
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He just straightforwardly and bald-facedly lied to Senate committees, in particular, Senator Rand Paul,
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who challenged him straightforwardly and directly on the relationship between Fauci and the Chinese,
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the NIH, the CDC, and those public health agencies in China, and the virology labs in Wuhan and around China itself.
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Interesting in the material that, all of it's interesting, but it just drew my eye.
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The reference in your FOIA on HHS regarding Fauci on the contracts there,
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that they helped raise, quote, raise China's voice of governance
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by placing representatives from China on important international councils
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as high-level commitment from China, end quote.
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It seems like a blathering rationalization suggesting that China was giving something up
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in order for its officials, Chinese officials, to be placed on the World Health Organization,
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Oh, well, you're kind of getting, there's a key detail that I think you may be missing,
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is that this is the Gates Foundation helping China.
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So we've got our people there talking with the Gates Foundation in China
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about how the Gates Foundation is advocating for China on these,
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as you point out, WHO and organizations like that.
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I don't know what else you would describe as being international agencies
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So you've got Gates people, the foundation, according to this government document,
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as I said, Fauci's woman in China was reporting back on her meeting with the Gates Foundation,
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But when they're admitting to government officials,
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hey, we're actually advocating for Chinese government officials internationally.
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And of course, the big media doesn't want to cover this.
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Obviously, it's even worse during the Biden administration because Fauci is now seen as an avatar for Biden.
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And to me, what is striking is that the Chinese have demanded that representation on WHO with the express complicity,
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I would say assistance, but it's complicity from our public health agencies,
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including Fauci, the NIH, the CDC, and the list goes on,
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to the United Nations and placing the top officials of the WHO are all Chinese or Chinese-sponsored representatives of their policies.
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And no one wants to report on this except for Judicial Watch and a handful of other folks.
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Well, it's pretty clear that any biologic research the Chinese were doing was hand in glove with Fauci's agency.
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I mean, when you look at the documents we've uncovered going back years and years,
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you have to wonder what the Chinese were doing that didn't have government funding from U.S. taxpayers.
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And when you look at the nature of this sort of biologic research,
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I don't know if I'm using a technical term, but it's someone I can pronounce, which is biologic.
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But you've got to wonder, you know, who's fooling whom here in the sense that is this defense-related work?
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It would seem to me you don't want to providing expertise in this area to our adversaries,
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And, you know, as we've seen more recently, there's no doubt it was gate of function.
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And striking is that in the midst of all of this, during the Trump administration, of course,
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nothing was bolder or brighter or more animated than the Hillary Clinton-inspired Russia collusion
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conspiracy with the deep state, with the law enforcement agencies, federal law enforcement agencies driving.
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So here's, on one hand, you have the deep state represented by the public health agencies and Dr. Fauci,
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working with the communist Chinese, but at the same time,
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doing everything they can to smear a sitting president with charges of collusion that were utterly baseless charges of collusion with Russia.
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It's a breathtaking irony and dichotomy, don't you think?
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Yeah, I mean, you know, you had, and on top of that, you had Biden's personal relationship with China through Hunter,
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where Hunter went on a trip to China on the vice president's plane at the time and engaged in business dealings that by the accounts of Hunter's laptop
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and other independent witnesses benefited Joe Biden directly and personally.
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So, you know, and, you know, when you look at it, it's pretty clear that everything they were accusing Trump of doing,
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Having compromised business relationships with foreign countries, using the powers of government to,
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and using the powers of government to advance those interests.
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You know, the irony with Trump, I mean, with Obama, the Obama administration,
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I mean, just look at how many countries they work with just to go after Trump.
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You had the Australians, you had the UK, you had Ukraine, you had Russia.
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And, of course, you had all of the intelligence agencies in the United States all going after Trump.
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I'm glad to see Durham finally getting off his duff and doing something.
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But, boy, are they important, implicating the Democrat law firm.
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And a Brookings Institution hack, if I can put it that way, who was a foundation for the farcical dossier,
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a fraudulent effort created by the Hillary Clinton campaign and maneuvered through to the Justice
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Department itself and the FBI by the friends of Hillary, if not Bill.
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Yeah, the latest Durham indictment, you know, as alleged, confirms that the author of the dossier,
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the key salacious falsehoods against Trump, is a liar.
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Like, for instance, Trump visited the Moscow Hotel, he learned.
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He pretended that every rumor and allegation he heard was fact.
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And all of that ended up in these FISA warrants.
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And so what I think is interesting here is that we've got, as you point out, the Trump,
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the Clinton law firm, one of the two top lawyers, the guy who wrote the dossier for Christopher
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Steele, who was on the payroll of the Clinton campaign.
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So you've got the Clinton campaign really dead to rights here.
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And the question is, how high up will Durham go?
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But the next big step, it seems to me, is what is Durham going to do about the other side
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Which who, and if I'm the defense attorneys for Sussman and Don Jenko, I'd be like, well,
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you know, how could we lie to our co-conspirators?
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They all knew what we were up to, that we were lying on them.
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And we all liked it because we were helping Hillary and going after Trump.
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And so the question is, is Durham going to go after the FBI and DOJ for engaging with
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these folks and pushing this, knowing it was a big, it was a smear and a falsity.
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Yeah, we know, we understand clearly the connections within the FBI and the Justice Department and
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the upper echelons of the Democratic apparatus in Washington, D.C.
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They were working hand in glove to do the bidding of Hillary Clinton's campaign.
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We know that they were framing the national security advisor of an elected president.
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You know, in his first month in office, for crying out loud.
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Uh, this is, it's, it's, it's breathtaking that we're still having this discussion on one
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hand, uh, that it's necessary, but on the other, it is an, it's an extraordinary gift
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that Durham has delivered, which is a reopening of, uh, these issues that the left has tried to
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bury and to cover up and to just move on from, uh, now open because of that, uh, that indictment
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and all that has unfolded around it, uh, we're, we're able to talk about a president who was
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impeached not once, but twice who went through an almost two year special counsel investigation,
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all because of the Hillary Clinton campaign and it's fraudulent, uh, efforts to overthrow
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a president, uh, in concert with the deep state and the democratic party.
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And unfortunately the Republicans gave up on the corruption issue, um, after Joe Biden came in.
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Is there anything they haven't given up on just if, because I, I've missed it.
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If there's anything that they have not given up on.
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Well, they're, they're riding the CRT wave, whether it'll be substantive, um, work.
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There is an open question, uh, but, uh, you know, Republicans win despite themselves.
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I should say Republican leaders win despite themselves because, you know, in my view, the
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Republican leadership has zero interest in these issues.
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And that's one of the reasons we're talking about it five years from that five years after
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I mean, we couldn't even get the Republican house and Senate to honestly investigate the
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misconduct of, in theory, they're the, the opposite party, even if, even when Trump was
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running the white house and the administration, that's how awful it was.
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Uh, one of the reasons there were so many problems in the early days of the, uh, Trump
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white house is because the former head of the Republican national committee rights previous
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was his chief of staff representing the establishment of the Republican party.
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And if by extension, a good margin of that membership would be never Trumpers.
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And currently the Ronna McDaniel, who is the head of the RNC, who assured everybody that
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she had 2 million people in the field and that had everything under control and was
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rolled, uh, you know, like a, uh, a boy scout at a, uh, you know, a boxing camp.
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It was just, I mean, it's pitiful what we've witnessed.
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And as you point out on CRT, what did it take for Ronna McDaniel and the RNC to take up
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It took Virginia and Youngkin victory there because school boards and parents decided
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With Terry McAuliffe representing the Marxist left saying, you know, parents really don't
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have any place telling schools what they want their, their children to be taught.
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I mean, it's outrageous trying to turn our heritage upside down in public education.
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You know, and what I like about the Virginia story, um, is that that CRT issue was organic.
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It was the people took the lead and politicians either, you know, got with the program in the
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case of Youngkin or they were rolled over in the case of McAuliffe.
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And it wasn't because of brilliant Republican strategy.
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They, they were outraged and, uh, there was a wave as a result.
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So a lot of this, as I say, is, you know, are, are we going to have leaders that reflect
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the, you know, kind of taking the bigger picture here?
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And I'm going to advise politicians and vote parties because I'm concerned, you know, I'm
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concerned that the communists are ruining a major political party.
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I mean, it's in our interest to make sure the Democrats are just regular liberals as
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We don't want that in a Republic is that, you know, do we have leaders in the political
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class that reflect the will of the people or are they going to be antagonistic?
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And, uh, you know, and I think to the degree they're able to reflect and, and in good faith,
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And if they're seen on the wrong side, they get shellacked as we saw in Virginia.
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Well, when you say you're, I don't know how much comfort I take from what I'm inferring
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you're saying, which is you're worried about the democratic party turning into a bunch of
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Uh, I, I, I'm more worried about the democratic party that is already led by Marxist leftists
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and are absolutely antithetical in every part of their ideology, their philosophy, their
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operating mechanisms as a political party and structure.
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Are trying to rest control of school boards and, uh, from, and, and public education from
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the hands of the parents and the people they elect to run local schools and education,
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uh, it's, it's bald face, uh, a, a, a counter and, uh, a counter attack, uh, within, uh, the
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It's a revolutionary period we're in and, you know, when they see for the communists, they
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don't see a repudiation, uh, last week, whether it be in New York or Virginia or Pennsylvania
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or anywhere else, New Jersey, they see it as, uh, you know, when they, when elections
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like that happen, they see it as confirmation that America needs, the system needs to be
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overturned because the people aren't allowed to have a voice.
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We can't have objective testing because that they say that is racist, uh, and unfair,
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which is, you know, pure balderdash, but people haven't got the guts to say directly
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that this is nonsense and that it's got to stop.
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I mean, I love some of the language that was tortured in the last few days.
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Barack Obama says Donald Trump's nationalism failed the world on climate change.
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Kind of moronic nonsense is that his nationalism it's populism.
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And that populism means that the people will have power and demonstrate, uh, that power
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just as they did in Virginia and almost in New Jersey, AOC comes out with more rhetorical
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She says Republicans using woke the expression woke as quote derogatory euphemism for civil rights.
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They're putting, they're putting out nonsense and spewing what is nothing more than, uh,
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you know, asinine gibberish trying to take away accountability, uh, from them, from themselves.
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Well, to outsiders, it looks crazy too, but if you're a communist, it makes perfect sense.
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For instance, when they say, you know, the new Lieutenant governor, Ms. Sears in Virginia,
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who's, um, African-American conservative, you know, they imply she's a white supremacist.
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I don't laugh at it, to be honest with you, Tom, but I think it's pure propaganda.
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It's an insult to her and everybody who voted for her and her, her service to the country
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That is internally consistent for the communist approach.
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We don't understand how they can call a black person a white supremacist, but for the communists,
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they believe unless you're with the program, you're the enemy.
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And, uh, by the way, they're making lots of enemies.
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They're called the American people and they see in real terms, in vivid terms, what they
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The scales have dropped from our eyes and we know exactly what the left is trying to do.
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And if the Republican party led by Ronald McDaniel doesn't have, and Mitch McConnell, of course,
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Mitch McConnell, who is cheering the bipartisan spending legislation, the infrastructure bill,
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like some sort of, I mean, his fraudulence is overwhelming, frankly, but the Republican
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I mean, I really believe that, but you get the last word here today, Tom.
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Well, you know, all we can do is what we can do.
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And, you know, this is, this is my critique of my allies in the house and the Senate, our
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It's like, are you doing everything you can do to save the Republic against, against this
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And, you know, Lord knows judicial watch is doing what we can do and trying to do more.
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Uh, but I tell you, this is a significant threat, uh, to our Republic.
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We didn't even get to the, to the border crisis.
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Uh, but, uh, we need the leadership to step up.
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And if the leadership won't step up, we need new leadership.
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And, uh, as to the issues we didn't get to today, I hope you'll be back with us soon
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and often, uh, here on the, uh, the great America show.
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Uh, this podcast is dedicated to those issues you hold dearest as well.
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It's great talking with you and I wish you all the best, my friend.
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Thanks for all you do and your leadership of judicial watch, the important work your organization,
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Join us again tomorrow for the great America podcast.
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