The Great America Show - October 01, 2023


WOKE IS SERVITUDE

Topics
woke and its impact on government legal profession & judiciary corruption Richard Hanania's book
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Lou Dobbs John Fawcett
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Richard Hanania Stephen Miller John Roberts Joe Biden InBev Martin Luther King Bud Anheuser-Busch Dylan Mulvaney Bud Light Lee Smith Jim Crow Griggs Modelo
Saturday Update： Government Shutdown Looming？ Mid-Day Update： October 2nd, 2023

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Richard Hanania, author of the most important book of the year, "The Origins of Woke," joins Lou Dobbs on The Great America Show to discuss what it means to be "woke" and how to combat it.

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00:01:15.020 Hello, everybody. This is the Great America Show. Welcome. I'm Lou Dobbs.
00:01:27.300 Well, let's see. We have a big United Auto Workers strike against Detroit's big three car companies.
00:01:33.340 Actually, big two because Stellantis is actually foreign-owned and the strike is expanding.
00:01:39.260 We have a president who's being impeached, by the way, properly and robustly, evidence mounting against him daily,
00:01:46.580 subpoenas flying, and a huge conflict as well in Congress over whether to fund a corrupt federal government
00:01:54.400 or just shut that corrupt government down.
00:01:57.160 So, on this beautiful day in America, let's just examine what the federal government really is.
00:02:04.680 It is first and foremost extraordinary, inexplicably, and obscenely vast.
00:02:11.080 It dominates all else in government, all else in scale.
00:02:14.800 It's almost impossible to grasp how vast this federal government has become.
00:02:19.300 The federal government is America's largest employer, 2.2 million civilians and about 1.5 million military personnel.
00:02:28.180 The federal government employs more than 3.5 million people.
00:02:32.260 And the taxpayer money that it takes to fund this government is all but incomprehensible.
00:02:38.100 Spending $7 trillion a year, that's more than a fourth of our entire economy.
00:02:43.140 And an annual deficit of $2 trillion, which is really $3 trillion, if you include interest on the debt, and you really should.
00:02:52.460 Which, by the way, is now the incredible sum of $33 trillion.
00:02:58.260 That's the national debt now.
00:03:00.400 A $3 trillion deficit.
00:03:03.160 Only 15 years ago, the entire federal budget of the U.S. government was, guess what, $3 trillion.
00:03:10.980 And the deficit was only $458 billion.
00:03:15.840 It seems like a pittance now, doesn't it?
00:03:18.360 While the budget has more than doubled in 15 years, the deficit is now six times that.
00:03:24.860 That's a jaw-dropping, bone-crushing alarm to all of us.
00:03:28.700 But not to the mad Marxist Dems. 0.88
00:03:30.880 They really don't care. 0.71
00:03:32.460 They insist on their destructive spend and spend-mindlessly woke agenda.
00:03:37.260 The left is, well, truly pathological.
00:03:40.980 In point of fact, a shutdown of the federal government might be the only rational choice available to us.
00:03:48.540 What do you think of that?
00:03:50.060 At least we wouldn't be subsidizing woke madness and abject corruption throughout the entire federal government on the current cosmic scale.
00:03:59.480 Ours was once a rational system of government and a reasonable society, as close to a meritocracy as could be found on the planet.
00:04:09.600 But now our military budget has to include funding for gay pride celebrations, woke initiatives throughout our government, and quotas, it seems, for everything.
00:04:19.680 Woke equals servitude.
00:04:21.380 And that's the left's intent.
00:04:24.400 Our guest today is Richard Hanania, author of the most important book of the year, in my opinion, entitled The Origins of Woke.
00:04:33.280 And importantly, in this outstanding book, Richard devotes his energy and his intellect and a lot of pages to how to combat wokeness and its corrosive impact on our society and nation.
00:04:45.260 Richard, welcome to The Great America Show.
00:04:47.800 Thanks for being with us, and congratulations on your book.
00:04:50.960 The title, The Origins of Woke, folks.
00:04:53.800 I recommend it to you highly.
00:04:55.500 I think it's one of the most important books of the year.
00:04:58.580 Congratulations to you and to the audience.
00:05:01.340 Again, I recommend Origins of Woke to you.
00:05:05.700 Thank you very much, Lou.
00:05:06.600 It means a lot coming from you.
00:05:08.040 So, let's turn to woke to begin with.
00:05:12.180 Let's talk about the origins of the word itself, woke, because it's come to me in the vernacular, everything that is left.
00:05:22.940 And I'd like the audience to hear your definition.
00:05:28.500 Yeah.
00:05:28.720 So, you know, a lot of the liberals, they like to pretend like nobody has a definition of woke.
00:05:33.880 You know, it's sort of one of those things I know it when I see it.
00:05:36.460 And so, conservatives often don't feel like, you know, they don't feel like a need to define it.
00:05:41.200 But, you know, it's good to sort of have that definition in case you're ever asked.
00:05:45.180 And, you know, if you want to analyze a phenomenon, it's good to know what you're talking about.
00:05:48.980 So, in my book, you know, I start on page, you know, page four, I think it is.
00:05:53.800 I say there's three pillars of woke, right?
00:05:55.840 It's the idea that disparities are caused by discrimination.
00:05:59.040 Anything that whites do better on than non-whites or men relative to women, that's caused by discrimination. 0.74
00:06:05.580 Either present discrimination or past discrimination or some combination of the two.
00:06:10.060 And then you need speech codes in order to overcome these disparities.
00:06:13.880 So, you know, you can't stereotype people.
00:06:15.720 You have to make people comfortable.
00:06:17.220 You know, have a work environment that's welcoming to all, you know, as defined by the DEI or the HR office.
00:06:23.420 And then you need, as implied by number two, you need a bureaucracy in order to enforce this, these attempts to overcome disparities and then these restrictions on speech.
00:06:33.060 And so, these three pillars of wokeness, I think, basically encompasses what people are talking about.
00:06:37.460 And the book goes on to show that a lot of this stuff is based on law.
00:06:40.840 And, you know, there's something we can – there are ways through the legal system, through politics to fight back against it.
00:06:45.820 And you chart the path of moving from a society whose strength was not diversity, but the ability to bring all sorts of folks into one common loyalty to a nation.
00:07:07.140 And to aspire to the same thing, to principally be part of the middle class, which is where the heart of the American dream beats, and to all who aspire to it.
00:07:20.260 And suddenly, we are a society that looks first and foremost to that which makes us different.
00:07:27.100 We look at differences rather than commonalities.
00:07:31.180 And when we find differences, that gives government license to seek equity.
00:07:38.480 Yeah.
00:07:39.320 So, there's, you know, a few things.
00:07:40.780 I mean, you're right that, you know, this stuff doesn't serve to divide people.
00:07:45.160 I mean, even the way we classify ourselves by race, the categories Hispanic, Latino, they really didn't exist to any large extent before the government started using these terms.
00:07:54.100 Asian American, Pacific Islander, didn't even exist in the English language.
00:07:57.720 I showed through some text analysis of books until the government created that as a category.
00:08:03.300 And now people sort of believe in these categories, right?
00:08:05.520 And we financially incentivize people to lead into their identities.
00:08:10.540 There's potentially, you know, a huge payoff if you say somebody made me uncomfortable because, you know, of my race or sex.
00:08:16.820 So, yeah, you have these, you know, these legal structures and these incentives that, you know, one of my arguments in the book is they change institutions.
00:08:23.440 So, the institutions have to keep up with the law.
00:08:25.760 They, you know, they're regulated and they have to engage in self-regulation.
00:08:29.020 At the same time, you're also, and I think I showed this pretty clearly, changing people's psychology, changing how people see themselves and see one another and see themselves in relation to the nation.
00:08:39.340 And so, yeah, the law could have, you know, serious downstream effects.
00:08:42.780 And I think, you know, a lot of people have documented just how bad wokeness is.
00:08:46.160 I don't think anyone has gone back and sort of traced it in the legal and bureaucratic, you know, to its legal and bureaucratic source.
00:08:53.860 Let's go to the idea that suddenly we are watching an alliance among human resources departments in corporate America.
00:09:02.780 We are seeing alliances there with the Marxist left.
00:09:07.280 They have found common ground in wokeness that it adheres to their benefit.
00:09:17.760 And it's going to be very difficult to break, don't you think?
00:09:21.160 Yeah, I mean, I think that one way the law interacts with sort of these ideological factors, you know, I have a friend who calls it a force multiplier, right?
00:09:29.740 So if you start out dividing the government forces businesses and the government does it itself, divides people by race, divides people by sex, creates incentives to people to see for people to see themselves that that way and eventually profit off of it.
00:09:43.640 And, yeah, I mean, you have communists and you have people who are far leftists and, you know, people who are, you know, radical feminists and they can go and they can, you know, they can they can instrumentalize this and they can basically, you know, profit, profit themselves.
00:09:57.820 So you'll find, you know, there's a there's always been a long history between sort of people in so-called civil rights and, you know, Marxism, far leftism.
00:10:06.980 And so, yeah, I think the law opens up these sort of opportunities.
00:10:10.260 And, you know, it's not just about changing the log, you know, rolling back a lot of the doctrines that have been bad.
00:10:15.860 You know, I you know, it's important to fight on the cultural level, you know, in the media, you know, through the education system, which I see conservatives doing, too.
00:10:23.800 So, yeah, there's there's there's there's a lot going out here.
00:10:26.540 There's a lot to fight.
00:10:28.280 There's an interesting, if you will, constraint on the part of the of the right Republicans, conservatives.
00:10:36.980 Independence who are unwilling to to tiptoe up to the edge of saying, wait a minute, this is Marxist philosophy and doctrine at work here.
00:10:46.500 When you attack the nuclear family, when you attack the the standards by which a country lives, our cultural, cultural inherited and heritage is just rife with splendid examples of heroism.
00:11:07.220 And a history that is remarkable compared to any nation on earth, American exceptionalism.
00:11:14.520 But you can't say that because not all Americans are exceptional subtly.
00:11:19.140 And therefore, you have to be very, very careful because group and identity politics will weigh in very quickly.
00:11:26.040 What are we to do what are we to do to return to a time where we were colorblind, where there were no quotas and where everyone who is who aspired to achieve in this country got a fair break.
00:11:41.900 And it was a meritocracy, not fully and not perfectly, but certainly more so than it is today with institutions that now have decided that diversity is our strength and that they can weigh in.
00:11:55.860 You know, they can weigh in on the scales of equity and equality and forget, don't worry, you're pretty little head about real equality.
00:12:07.140 Yeah. So there's been. Yeah. I mean, you know, the way I put it in the book is that, you know, this we didn't get to this point culturally overnight and we probably won't get out of this overnight.
00:12:17.800 Right. It's been these, you know, these extreme civil rights laws have been there for sometimes in some cases, four or five decades.
00:12:23.960 We can, but we can start today and we can, you know, argue and we can argue in the marketplace of ideas, of course, education system.
00:12:30.840 But what the book really stresses is that I give specific advice for people who are in the judiciary, people who are legislatures and people who are going to be in the next in the executive branch in the next Republican administration.
00:12:44.440 You can you can repeal affirmative action in government contracting.
00:12:47.600 You know, you can do that on the first day of Vivek Ramaswamy has already promised that.
00:12:52.180 And then you can the Supreme Court can revisit some of these harassment decision laws and particularly Griggs, which had disparate impact, which said that if you give a test or any kind of metric to measure employees or to hire or fire them or promote them.
00:13:06.440 And if one group doesn't do if one group does better than the other, that's presumably racist.
00:13:12.400 It becomes a burden, becomes on the employer to justify it.
00:13:15.980 And so, yeah, I have an entire chapter.
00:13:17.780 It's called What is to be Done.
00:13:18.760 And I just hope people sort of use that as like a blueprint going forward.
00:13:22.440 We're going to take that up here in just a minute.
00:13:25.660 But first, we're going to take a quick break.
00:13:28.320 We'll be coming back with Richard Hanania and his splendid book, The Origin of Woke.
00:13:37.020 And it's it's it's a fascinating book.
00:13:40.140 I recommend it to you highly.
00:13:41.860 And we'll be right back.
00:13:43.760 We're back now with Richard Hanania, and he has authored the brilliant new book, The Origins of Woke, Civil Rights Law, Corporate America and the Triumph of Identity Politics.
00:14:00.800 And one of the things I love about your book is you provide prescriptions for resolution.
00:14:09.620 You also, in doing so, test my my skepticism a bit because I see a federal government that is made up of primarily Democrats and the permanent bureaucracy,
00:14:23.300 a federal government that's under the control of the deep state, the Marxist Dems without any and there should be no doubt in anyone's mind that that is a statement of fact and truth.
00:14:34.940 And I don't see how the Republicans gained sufficient parity to to move forward from this point without a righteous clash in the public arena in the in to win elections and to do so with all their might.
00:14:54.180 It is a time of terrific turmoil and conflict in this country.
00:14:59.320 But too many on the right don't recognize it.
00:15:02.160 Your thoughts.
00:15:02.680 Yeah, I think it depends on the issue.
00:15:06.240 I mean, unquestionably, you're correct that mostly it's mostly Democrats and liberals who make up the federal bureaucracy.
00:15:11.940 You know, we know the media is slanted in one direction.
00:15:14.280 That's unquestionably true.
00:15:16.680 At the same time, I think they sort of know that, you know, public opinion is not with them on these on these issues.
00:15:23.020 And so when the when the SFFA v.
00:15:25.840 Harvard decision came down, batting affirmative action in in universities, it was, you know,
00:15:31.420 some Democrats complained, liberals complained, but it was pretty muted response.
00:15:35.560 There's some been some stories in The Wall Street Journal, other publications, even corporate America is looking at their programs.
00:15:40.460 And they're saying, you know, the sort of the market for DEI officers is sort of is declined, you know, is declining.
00:15:47.620 It's now it's now a bear market based on the based on part on the decision.
00:15:52.760 And so, you know, the Republicans do have the conservatives do have the Supreme Court.
00:15:58.280 These things reverberate.
00:15:59.660 And, you know, it's easier for the left to continue programs that exist than it is to bring them back once they've been undone.
00:16:06.760 So a combination of sort of Republicans knowing what the stakes are, having the judiciary in their favor, having public opinion on their side and and, you know, just being, you know, just just sort of knowing and having sort of the path to go forward.
00:16:21.120 I'm optimistic that something can be done.
00:16:23.020 I think the the the SFA, the Harvard decision and Trump's last day in this last months in office, we had the executive order on critical race theory trading to the federal government that there are all these stories about, you know, these people's businesses, you know, they're losing these government contracts.
00:16:41.280 Of course, Biden came in.
00:16:42.620 He reversed it.
00:16:43.260 But that's hopefully something you do in the next administration at the, you know, at the start of the administration rather than the end.
00:16:49.220 And on top of that, there's just so much more that a president can do.
00:16:53.020 There there is there's an old saw that a president has immense power when it comes to destruction, very little power when it comes to construction.
00:17:03.800 And that is a dilemma for every president except except one.
00:17:09.520 And that is Joe Biden.
00:17:11.380 He has been the most destructive president in history.
00:17:14.720 He has ignored every law, every convention and every assumed responsibility of a president on open borders.
00:17:26.420 His foreign policy is utter madness.
00:17:28.840 He is compromised. 0.92
00:17:29.920 He is impaired.
00:17:31.360 We have never seen the likes of this.
00:17:33.220 We are we are at sea in this American society.
00:17:37.540 And and it's going to be quite some time, I think, before we can rationalize even what is happening with corporate America, because importantly, corporate America's HR departments are a huge part of the problem here.
00:17:51.160 We are looking at ESG, Blackstone, BlackRock and Wall Street driving ESG effectively, CRT as well, creating a not only a culture, but an architecture and a structure that absolutely demands wokeness.
00:18:15.160 And this was this was a country at one time where the Republican Party was hand in hand with corporate America and business interests, big business interests.
00:18:26.240 And now we see that foundation and it is shifted entirely to the Democratic Party.
00:18:33.160 Your thoughts on how easy that will be to break corporate America of wokeness.
00:18:38.480 Yeah, I mean, I really trace the history of the book about how HR really the entire industry grew in response to civil rights law.
00:18:47.340 And, you know, I think I'm more optimistic on corporate America than a lot of people are, because, you know, I think in the capitalist system, I think given human nature, they want to make a profit.
00:18:56.880 And so for a long time, the profitable thing has been to go along with wokeness because the media had so much power.
00:19:02.220 It was almost like the mafia comes by and, you know, says, you know, nice business you have here.
00:19:06.120 Be terrible if something happens to it.
00:19:07.620 And the person pays the, you know, pays the pays the protection money.
00:19:10.940 It doesn't necessarily mean that they love the mafia.
00:19:13.880 Right. I mean, that's just sort of that's their only option.
00:19:16.940 And so just, you know, I think that if the incentives change, I mean, I think that corporate behavior will change with it.
00:19:23.180 The HR people will still be there.
00:19:24.700 There's been some stories about since Elon Musk bought Twitter for the first time, you know, what do you know?
00:19:30.420 For the first time in a long time, as long as people can remember, conservative boycotts start working.
00:19:35.060 Target back down.
00:19:36.200 They were really pushing Pride Month, Bud Light, you know, the whole Dylan Mulvaney thing.
00:19:41.860 And just, you know, just in the last, you know, last several months and people are tracing it to Twitter.
00:19:45.980 I think the left used to have control of social media.
00:19:48.620 That was sort of the you know, that was sort of one of the most important pieces of infrastructure they had under their control.
00:19:53.920 I mean, it could change just by one, you know, one man buying it and adopting new policies.
00:19:59.200 And so, yeah, I think that like, you know, there's a sort of a thing.
00:20:02.640 Some things are harder.
00:20:03.400 Some things are easier.
00:20:04.320 I think that the universities, you know, some of these institutions are are really difficult.
00:20:08.720 But I think corporate America, you know, I'm pretty confident we can move them back in the right direction.
00:20:13.520 What will you do with the law?
00:20:15.040 Because the law, the legal profession in this country, as you well know, is is Marxist left.
00:20:20.260 Now, we're looking at law schools that are with the Lincoln Project, all of the left wing influences in our legal system.
00:20:31.480 We are watching cadres of indoctrinated young attorneys spewing from law schools every year for as far as the eye can see into the future.
00:20:42.140 It looks like that will be the case.
00:20:44.820 The court system is corrupt in this country.
00:20:47.900 The federal I'm not going to speak, obviously, about the federal court system.
00:20:51.800 We've witnessed a corrupt judiciary from the district courts to even a couple of the two or three of the appellate courts.
00:21:01.380 How do you deal with this issue intellectually and at the same time understand that this is an ideological battle?
00:21:13.200 That's that's going to be long running.
00:21:15.620 Yeah, I mean, yeah, there's no there's no shortcuts here.
00:21:19.520 I mean, the you know, luckily, the you know, the courts are still appointed, you know, by the president, confirmed by the Senate.
00:21:26.860 I mean, so first of all, you just have to win elections.
00:21:28.940 People ask me, what's the influence of the affirmative action decision going to be out of institutions?
00:21:32.760 And I often tell them it depends on who the next president is and whether he has a majority in the Senate.
00:21:38.480 There's there's no shortcut here.
00:21:39.720 As far as sort of the lower levels of the of the legal profession.
00:21:43.580 I mean, that's right.
00:21:44.180 I mean, some people are fighting, for example, the accreditation boards that are pushing diversity classes and affirmative action on universities.
00:21:51.140 People have to push back on that.
00:21:53.100 And, you know, I think conservatives have to do a better job of sort of reaching young, educated people.
00:21:58.600 I mean, it's you know, there's the you know, it's not just a lot of these professions are not just how they just haven't got liberal or got woke because, you know, conservatives are not allowed in something.
00:22:07.660 I mean, sometimes there is discrimination against conservatives.
00:22:10.340 But, you know, I think we need you know, I think we need to make clear to people, you know, just how bad liberal ideas and policies have been for the country.
00:22:18.300 Again, you know, another one of these the goals and goals of this book, just to tell people, you know, the social engineering here has been extreme and it's had harmful effects on the economy and on society.
00:22:28.640 Absolutely.
00:22:29.560 We're going to continue with Richard Hanania and his book Origin of Woke.
00:22:35.760 And what we're really talking about is how to kill woke.
00:22:39.340 We'll be right back with that in just one moment.
00:22:41.640 We're back now talking with Richard Hanania, the author of the beautiful new book, The Origins of Woke, Civil Rights Law, Corporate America and the Triumph of Identity Politics.
00:22:58.680 It's that triumph of identity politics, Richard, that I have a lot of trouble with.
00:23:04.440 There's a victory, a triumph for the left on civil rights law, on corporate law, you name it.
00:23:13.720 They seem to own it.
00:23:15.240 How do we how do we reverse that?
00:23:18.580 Yeah, I mean, I think that it's good.
00:23:20.340 You know, you're right that on some things like civil rights law, I mean, they've been sort of running on a post for a really long time.
00:23:26.280 At the same time, I think, you know, we should see that there are, you know, conservative victories out there when conservatives just sort of worry about policy and advocate for their views.
00:23:35.180 So if you look at like that, you know, I have an article that said conservatives win all the time.
00:23:39.020 So I pointed, for example, gun laws, right?
00:23:41.080 Gun laws were much more strict 30, 40 years ago.
00:23:43.800 Now, practically every state has concealed carry, which wasn't always the case in this country.
00:23:49.500 We've seen amazing we've seen amazing progress on school choice just in the last two years.
00:23:55.260 Ten states now have adopted some form of universal vouchers.
00:23:59.920 You know, this was again, this was something five years ago, 10 years ago.
00:24:03.520 Nobody would have thought this possible.
00:24:05.280 Now, there are some things where conservatives haven't done all that much.
00:24:09.360 And that's because they've either neglected the issue or they haven't they haven't fought for it.
00:24:13.820 And so one thing I argue in the origins of woke is that civil rights law has been one of these issues.
00:24:18.860 It's hard because civil rights, just people think of Martin Luther King.
00:24:22.280 They think of Jim Crow.
00:24:24.020 They think of, you know, ending ending segregation.
00:24:27.500 And yes, civil rights did do that. 0.89
00:24:29.700 But it's what it's been doing since that time, you know, has morphed into what we today call wokeness.
00:24:35.320 So just, you know, bringing these these issues to people's attention and that it's just normal politics.
00:24:39.920 It's just understanding the issues.
00:24:41.260 It's just, you know, doing something with power.
00:24:43.180 And it's about fighting for it.
00:24:45.920 And I guess we are coming to the same place.
00:24:48.300 I believe right now that if the Republican Party doesn't have more fight, more strength, more passion than it's exhibiting right now,
00:24:59.980 it will be, in my judgment, a very difficult fight.
00:25:04.120 And you have laid out, and God bless you for doing so, a way forward to deal with what is the antithesis of this country's founding values, wokeness, the Marxist philosophy that is the foundation of the current Democrat Party.
00:25:23.520 They are truly Marxist Dems and are aligned more with this president, for example, is aligned more with the CCP than he is with certainly any other element of this country that is not outright left wing.
00:25:38.980 We're watching what has grown into a fifth column in this country. 0.91
00:25:43.260 When you look at the institutionals, the institutions, whether it's academia, public education, K through 12, whether it is corporate America, whether it is politics, you name it, they own it.
00:25:59.880 And we have to win in court.
00:26:03.540 How do we reverse that?
00:26:05.760 I mean, you're talking about the decision on Harvard University.
00:26:09.840 At the same time that they won on affirmative action at Harvard, Chief Justice John Roberts says, and here's your path to an escape, hands everybody an escape clause.
00:26:23.180 Just have them write an essay for crying out loud.
00:26:26.320 What do you do when your judiciary is that corrupt? 0.63
00:26:31.440 Because that is both cynical and corrupt, in my opinion.
00:26:36.740 Yeah, I mean, I think it's, you know, I think, you know, I read that decision very closely and I think people might be a little bit too hard on Roberts there.
00:26:45.860 I mean, he also says, you know, he says very clearly, you know, don't don't think that you can just recreate the old system through essays and don't listen to the dissent because the dissent says to do this.
00:26:56.460 They're not the best, you know, people to to be advised on how to comply with this decision.
00:27:00.960 I mean, you can't say, you know, he couldn't say you can't mention race, right?
00:27:04.280 You could have you could, of course, have essays. Of course, it might come up.
00:27:07.460 But I think what the court showed in SFFA v.
00:27:11.040 Harvard is that they're going to be very skeptical of all race based remedies.
00:27:15.320 And look, the universities are the hardest thing.
00:27:17.480 The universities are, you know, when you say Marxist, I mean, this is this is the this is the these are the institutions where that's most literally true.
00:27:24.200 Right. People whose entire identity, whose entire existence is overcoming racism, overcoming sexism and so forth.
00:27:30.980 Right. So they're going to try. They're going to do whatever they can.
00:27:33.600 And, you know, the conservatives don't have the representation in the universities.
00:27:36.420 And it's going to be very difficult. Now, when you move to corporate America, right, when you move to other other places, right,
00:27:43.320 they're not going to be as creative and as determined, you know, to overcome the law.
00:27:47.140 Right. And so I think you're I think you're going to once, you know, and the Supreme Court hasn't even ruled on one of these business decisions, civil rights.
00:27:53.880 You know, I want the conservative movement. It's not just about the court ruling.
00:27:56.440 It's about the activists and the conservative lawyers to find the cases.
00:28:02.440 And I think Stephen Stephen Miller's Stephen Miller's think tank is doing this think tank or, you know, activist organization or whatever.
00:28:09.260 They're they're doing this now. It's getting those cases in front of them.
00:28:12.020 And when they rule on them, you know, it's not going to be like it's not going to be like the universities.
00:28:16.180 Right. Because these people care about profits. Their whole identity is not engaged in social engineering.
00:28:22.020 And in this case, I think, you know, I think we can see serious changes.
00:28:26.520 So, yeah, I mean, it's a it's a multiprogged approach.
00:28:29.000 I mean, I have you know, I try to talk to as many different people as I can in the book.
00:28:32.240 I say if you're an activist, this if you know, if you're if you're a you know, if you're a if you're a judge or a judicial clerk, think about this.
00:28:39.020 If you're a lawyer, this is what you might have to do.
00:28:41.620 You know, the left didn't win by just one person, you know, coming and magic a lot, waving a wand.
00:28:47.740 Right. They had people who, you know, put their nose to the grindstone.
00:28:51.040 They work in all kinds of different professions.
00:28:53.060 And it's going to be the exact same thing if we ever get back to a meritocratic for your country like we used to have.
00:28:59.060 Well, I think your book is going to be a very important, a very important element of that.
00:29:05.480 And I am I want to repeat again the the author of the new book, The Origins of Woke, Civil Rights, Law, Corporate America and the Triumph of Identity Politics.
00:29:18.080 Richard, you've done a you've created a masterful read and a critically important read for this country.
00:29:26.200 I want to and I think, by the way, to support your view, I think that we heard Bob Iger of Disney recently say that he's going to walk back Disney from the culture wars.
00:29:38.160 Now, whether he does or he doesn't, that's an important statement that he made.
00:29:41.700 And Wall Street was listening.
00:29:42.780 And Wall Street is where a lot of wokeness resides.
00:29:46.500 And they had to be thinking, wait a minute, ESG isn't the big deal here?
00:29:51.120 Actually running your business and making money, which Disney hasn't been making in the at the levels that they're supposed to for some time now.
00:29:59.500 Their stock is near an all time low because they they went in a very bad direction.
00:30:06.040 That is wokeness.
00:30:07.300 The same is true, obviously, of Bud Light and Bud Anheuser-Busch and and InBev, their their parent.
00:30:17.160 But the one of the things people don't notice is Modelo, a Mexican beer, is now the number one beer in this country.
00:30:24.440 And it's, by the way, its beers are owned by InBev.
00:30:29.500 So the game that's being played with boycotts is not being done carefully.
00:30:34.380 There's a lot of irony in it.
00:30:35.840 And as you say, it's going to be a long, long haul.
00:30:40.540 I just I I'm I'm wondering just how much of this is science, how much of this is politics, how much of it is profit and how much of it is outright ideology.
00:30:50.800 And I think ideology is winning right now.
00:30:53.400 But there are some biological issues, too.
00:30:55.400 We're watching a country that has in terms of abortion over the since Roe v.
00:31:02.860 Wade, there have been 60 to 70 million abortions in this country.
00:31:06.660 Meanwhile, American citizens are going to Mexico to get abortions, while Mexico is sending illegals from 150 countries into the United States by the millions. 0.53
00:31:17.040 We're in a period of absolute societal, to me, societal psychic break.
00:31:25.200 It's it's irrational what we're doing and what we're witnessing and the public policies that created all of this turmoil.
00:31:31.040 Yeah, Lou, I mean, we have a lot on our plate, unquestionably, everything from abortion to migration to identity politics, you know, to the culture.
00:31:42.940 But, you know, I think, you know, well, all we do is we sort of we try to trace the history.
00:31:48.740 We understand how we got here and try to find the policies that can reverse them.
00:31:53.260 And I hope when people read my book, they see in one this one sort of narrow area.
00:31:58.260 Well, not really a narrow area.
00:31:59.680 It's not narrow.
00:32:01.540 Good try, Richard.
00:32:02.960 It's not narrow.
00:32:04.240 Yeah.
00:32:04.460 Maybe that's maybe that's false humility.
00:32:05.860 Yeah, it's you know, it's about meritocracy, free speech, the kind of people who staff our institutions.
00:32:13.620 Actually, a lot of the other stuff is downstream of that, too, because a lot of these people who adopt crazy policies tend to be people who are, you know, not qualified for their jobs.
00:32:21.480 They come up.
00:32:22.120 They're bitter.
00:32:23.520 You know, a lot of the once you get, you know, sort of a merit and you let people have freedom and you let the best person get a job.
00:32:29.940 I think a lot of these issues do do clear up themselves in sort of indirect ways.
00:32:34.020 So, yeah, I mean, there's just a lot to do.
00:32:36.900 And I'm glad you're out there just encouraging people to think about these issues and to fight on them.
00:32:41.680 You better believe it.
00:32:42.560 And we're just grateful for you being with us.
00:32:46.780 Richard Hanania, he's the author of The Origins of Woke, Civil Rights Law, Corporate America, The Triumph of Identity Politics.
00:32:55.760 We recommend his book to you highly, and we urge you to go out and there's no time like now to read such an important book.
00:33:06.840 And I assure you, Richard, we are definitely in your camp.
00:33:13.180 We are cheering you on and wish you all of the very best.
00:33:17.220 I hope you'll come back soon.
00:33:19.040 Oh, absolutely, Lou.
00:33:19.920 And if I could say one more selling point, The Atlantic had a review of the book.
00:33:24.620 They called it a gateway to white supremacy, I believe.
00:33:28.780 So if you didn't want to buy it before, I think that should be, you know, that's another endorsement.
00:33:34.260 My God, what the Atlanta Journal Constitution has become.
00:33:38.840 No, no, The Atlantic, not The Atlantic.
00:33:40.800 Oh, The Atlantic.
00:33:41.640 Oh, I'm sorry.
00:33:42.100 Well, they've been that for quite a while, so I don't have to enumerate.
00:33:48.420 We appreciate it, Richard.
00:33:49.760 Thanks so much for being with us.
00:33:51.020 The book, again, The Origins of Woke, Civil Rights Law, Corporate America, and the Triumph of Identity Politics, and According to The Atlantic, A Pathway to White Supremacy.
00:34:01.940 What a hack, cliched expression they came up with.
00:34:07.160 They could have done better than that.
00:34:08.840 Thanks so much.
00:34:10.180 Thanks, Lou.
00:34:10.580 Thanks to Richard Hanania, and I urge you to arm yourself with both the knowledge and Richard's insights and thoughtful responses to the Woke Myth column that is now threatening meritocracy and America.
00:34:23.480 The book is Origins of Woke, a terrific book.
00:34:26.980 Thank you, everybody, for being with us.
00:34:28.460 On The Great America Show tomorrow, we'll have author, journalist, Great American Lee Smith as we take up the insidious and venomous Marxist Dems and their intended devastation of our great country.
00:34:40.580 Please join us here tomorrow and each and every day, of course.
00:34:44.560 Thank you.
00:34:45.380 God bless you.
00:34:46.380 And God bless and save America.
00:34:49.200 We'll be right back.