The Great America Show - WORLD ORDER COLLAPSING

00:00:00.000 Hello, everybody. I'm Lou Dobbs, and welcome to The Great America Show. Thank you for being

00:00:07.480 with us. It's beginning to look as though the Marxist-Dem Biden regime is beginning to pay

00:00:13.260 attention to the polls, and they're trying to clean up their optics a little. Attorney General

00:00:18.960 Merrick Garland Friday held a press conference to announce the indictments of several Chinese

00:00:25.020 companies and executives for manufacturing and supplying fentanyl to the Mexican drug cartels

00:00:31.520 to smuggle in over our wide-open southern border and distribute throughout the United States,

00:00:37.940 in the process killing hundreds of thousands of Americans since Biden took office. The Attorney

00:00:44.400 General was asked during a Q&A about why Americans have lost faith and confidence in both the FBI

00:00:50.640 and the Justice Department. And the corrupt Attorney General did no more than blather.

00:00:57.480 I certainly understand that some have chosen to attack the integrity of the Justice Department

00:01:04.480 as components and its employees by claiming that we do not treat like cases alike.

00:01:11.040 This constitutes an attack on an institution that is essential to American democracy and

00:01:16.800 essential to the safety of the American people. Attorney General Garland under fire for the DOJ

00:01:22.980 reportedly dragging their feet after learning about a bombshell revelation from an IRS whistleblower

00:01:29.300 who was working on the Hunter Biden case. That whistleblower testified to the House Ways and Means

00:01:35.420 Committee that the Department of Justice was aware of a text message that Hunter Biden sent to his boss

00:01:42.420 in China, in which he said his father, Joe Biden, was sitting in the room with him at that very moment

00:01:49.260 and Hunter demanded that the Chinese shore up their side of the deal. President Biden has maintained that

00:01:56.580 he never knew or heard of any of Hunter's business dealings. We now have evidence he knew all about

00:02:02.880 Hunter's deals. The whistleblower says U.S. Attorney for Delaware David Weiss was told not to bring felony

00:02:09.820 charges against Hunter Biden, and Garland denied that ever happened. Yesterday, whistleblower testimony

00:02:16.380 came out from an IRS supervisory special agent, current supervisory special agent, who insists he was in a

00:02:22.820 meeting with U.S. Attorney David Weiss, who in October 2022 claimed in front of multiple people that he was

00:02:29.220 told not to pursue the Hunter Biden investigation, not to bring charges in 2022. You said previously you've

00:02:36.820 stayed out of the Hunter Biden investigation. It's been on David Weiss to figure that out. Can you once

00:02:41.940 and for all shed a little light? There seems to be a little confusion on what's going on here.

00:02:46.180 I'd be happy to. As I said at the outset, Mr. Weiss, who was appointed by President Trump as the U.S.

00:02:53.680 Attorney in Delaware and assigned this matter during the previous administration, would be permitted to

00:02:58.860 continue his investigation and to make a decision to prosecute any way in which he wanted to and in any

00:03:06.280 district in which he wanted to. Mr. Weiss has since sent a letter to the House Judiciary Committee

00:03:11.820 confirming that he had that authority. I don't know how it would be possible for anybody to block him

00:03:17.620 from bringing a prosecution, given that he has this authority. And he was never told no?

00:03:22.460 I'd say he was given complete authority to make all decisions on his own.

00:03:27.960 So who are we to believe? Multiple government whistleblowers who've come out and told us that

00:03:32.740 the FBI has coordinated protection to cover the Biden family or a corrupt DOJ that is persecuting

00:03:40.680 a former president. And 70 percent of Americans say that indictment of President Trump was politically

00:03:47.040 motivated. While the Biden family is trying to cover up their mess here at home,

00:03:52.300 Joe Biden sent his secretary of state Tony Blinken over to China to get further orders perhaps from

00:03:59.120 President Xi. Biden bowed and he scraped and then told the Chinese that the Biden regime no longer

00:04:05.860 supports Taiwanese independence. And if that weren't bad enough, President Biden blundered at a

00:04:12.840 fundraiser in California where he not only leaked top secret intelligence, but then called President

00:04:18.820 Xi a dictator, mistakenly saying the truth. The Biden mess just got bigger and another foreign 0.75

00:04:26.180 military base in Cuba could provoke yet another Cuban missile crisis. To take all of this up and

00:04:32.780 more, we bring in China expert and author Gordon Chang and retired Lieutenant Colonel Tony Schaefer.

00:04:38.640 Gordon, Tony, great to have you with us here on The Great America Show again. Let's begin with

00:04:44.400 President Xi. He says it's a provocation that our impaired president called him a dictator.

00:04:50.760 Your reactions first, Gordon. Well, Xi Jinping demands absolute obedience from everybody in the world

00:04:57.360 inside China and outside. So I don't get too upset that he is called a dictator. But the thing about

00:05:05.520 this incident, which concerns me, is that nobody would have paid attention to President Biden calling

00:05:12.520 Xi Jinping a dictator if the Chinese hadn't made such a public issue of it. And this means, Lou, 0.56

00:05:19.540 that Beijing is looking for a fight. Wow. Tony, your thoughts?

00:05:24.500 It's a Streisand effect. Absolutely. I mean, who listens to Joe Biden anymore? I mean, come on.

00:05:30.220 He says so much nonsense. It's like, really? But you're going to pull that out? But Gordon's correct. 0.68

00:05:35.820 I mean, if you just look back over the Tony Blinken visit, all the soft words and complacence,

00:05:45.920 I mean, anything that was said, Lou, of any relevance had to be put in the softest possible

00:05:53.460 language to Beijing to include, I would say that up to the very end, because Xi held up to the very end

00:06:00.980 of Blinken's visit before they saw him. I don't think Blinken knew it was coming. And if you just

00:06:05.220 watch the photographs, Blinken is just like a little puppy dog seeing his master for the first

00:06:10.940 time. And if you look at the words used about agree to stabilize the relationship, really? I don't

00:06:17.540 think the Chinese agree to that. And I think, as Gordon said, they're looking to pick a fight and 1.00

00:06:21.760 they're going to pick anything that's said that they believe they can make hay out of to make hay out

00:06:25.920 of it. You know, following up to what Tony said, Gordon, the pictures of Blinken tell a very large

00:06:33.880 story. He looks subdued, but worse, submissive as he is standing there. And with the picture of the

00:06:43.380 two of them, Xi and Blinken, Xi is not even looking at him, not even addressing him. The worst kind of

00:06:53.240 optics that one could imagine from, well, what looks to be a disastrous meeting with the foreign 1.00

00:06:59.780 minister and with the dictator of China. What in the world was the Biden administration doing in

00:07:08.380 thinking of dispatching Tony Blinken, of all people, over to China?

00:07:13.240 Yeah, this was a mistake from the very beginning. Blinken was supposed to go to Beijing sometime in

00:07:19.780 February, and that was postponed because of China flying a spy balloon over the United States.

00:07:26.280 What the U.S. tried to do, and specifically Blinken, was to try to repair relations. And that's wrong.

00:07:33.920 I mean, if anybody should have been trying to repair relations, it should have been China. 0.99

00:07:38.740 But I think the Chinese Communist Party has gotten the full measure of President Biden,

00:07:44.540 and they realize that they can push him around. You know, what Tony was and you were saying about

00:07:50.260 Blinken being looking like a puppy dog, it reminded me of what happened at the G7 in November of last

00:07:58.220 year, where Biden agreed to go to Xi Jinping's hotel for their one-on-one meeting. And we saw the

00:08:07.020 optics something very similar. Xi Jinping standing in the middle of the room and Biden walking to him.

00:08:13.180 And that really is an indication that Biden was willing to accept a submissive position. Now,

00:08:20.060 people can say, well, this is just sort of diplomatic niceties, doesn't really matter.

00:08:25.360 Yes, it matters. And it matters because the Chinese are now very arrogant. They think they can do 1.00

00:08:31.060 anything they want. They have utter disrespect for the United States. And that's going to lead them

00:08:35.700 to do something extremely dangerous. So this does matter, Lou.

00:08:39.680 It does matter. And the world is watching all of this. And I suppose that's a cliche,

00:08:47.180 perhaps a cliche of the worst sort. I don't want to suggest that I care too much about what any

00:08:53.000 other country in the world thinks of us. But right now, it looks like those perceptions might

00:08:59.620 significantly shape future reality. When we have a president who stumbles and trips over the word

00:09:07.940 dictator by speaking truth, even the impaired president came up with truth. And the powerful

00:09:16.440 dictator who leads China is offended, provoked and ready.

00:09:21.660 Well, you know, Lou, I don't agree with Henry Kissinger on most things, but I certainly

00:09:27.180 agreed with his assessment that he gave on June 7th to Bloomberg's editor in chief.

00:09:32.640 When Kissinger said he believed that war with China was probable. And that's where we're going. 0.77

00:09:43.600 And it's probable for a number of reasons. It's complicated. But essentially, you can sort of

00:09:50.420 break it down into this notion that deterrence is eroded. The Chinese are not deterred. They're going to do 0.96

00:09:58.060 something. And it's because I think that Xi Jinping sees so many troubles internally that he has no

00:10:04.700 answer for, except, of course, for rallying the Chinese people with a war of some sort. And we've got

00:10:11.480 to be concerned that that's where China is heading. China is preparing for war. It's preparing its 0.74

00:10:17.240 military. It's mobilizing its civilians. It's purging general officers, generals and admirals of those who

00:10:24.520 don't want to go to war. This is exceedingly perilous at this moment.

00:10:29.540 And let me try to help give some additional details to back Gordon completely, as if he needs

00:10:34.120 backup. He doesn't. But I want to help illustrate what he's saying. I think this is a Venezuela issue

00:10:39.540 where Venezuela, I'm not Venezuela, when we had the issue with the Falkland Islands, when the Falkland

00:10:45.480 Islands were invaded to divert certain things from Argentina, from their problems internally.

00:10:51.680 And one of the things that I found most frightening, Lou, regarding what Gordon is saying is what

00:10:57.780 Blinken said. Blinken actually said he had, quote unquote, no progress to report. But he did say

00:11:04.100 during that commentary session that we, United States, do not recognize Taiwan and it being a

00:11:12.520 democracy. That was a flat out statement of policy. And to me, the timeframe, we may differ on our

00:11:18.640 timeframe, but that to me kicked off a five-year timeline that the Chinese will act within. And I

00:11:26.060 mean, act as in war, because I see this as 1938, Chamberlain, peace for our time, and the countdown

00:11:34.820 it started to Sudetenland and the Germans, the Nazis, there's a dictator for you, Hitler taking the 0.88

00:11:41.400 Sudetenland back to put under German control, which was Czechoslovakia, essentially.

00:11:45.140 So I see this as Chamberlain's moment. I see this moment in time when Blinken said that,

00:11:52.860 that was the same as Blinken, as Chamberlain giving up the Sudetenland. And so I think that

00:11:59.600 it's only a matter of time. And another quick couple of points. The Chinese invested greatly 0.73

00:12:04.120 in reorganizing their militaries, Gordon said. They're actually paring it down and making it more

00:12:08.760 lethal and more effective. They've actually picked out a new small arms weapon, a new series of weapons

00:12:13.740 they've abandoned the Type 95 assault weapon and created a new one, which actually does most of

00:12:18.180 what ours do. And they've actually restructured and organized around a fleet invasion of Taiwan

00:12:25.180 that they can do in a very short order. They've got a new aircraft carrier they're building. It's

00:12:29.040 supposed to be as good, but it's not going to be as the latest of our supercarriers, the

00:12:35.340 general R. Ford. So they're doing everything they can to prepare militarily for what I believe

00:12:40.800 and Gordon just forecast as an upcoming conflict between them and us. And we open the door for it

00:12:46.720 policy-wise.

00:12:47.360 Well, we don't even have to infer war as an intent, and perhaps ultimately a reality, because Xi has

00:12:58.240 been very clear that he wants the Chinese people to be ready for the, as he put it in his language,

00:13:05.800 to be ready for the worst scenario, his generals, his military ready, and the people of China to be

00:13:13.520 prepared. And that date he put on it is 2025. Is it not, Gordon?

00:13:18.880 He hasn't, I don't think, put a date of 2025, but he has said, dare to fight. And that message has

00:13:26.400 filtered down through the ranks. So for instance, in April, the Eastern Theater Command of the People's

00:13:32.120 Liberation Army, in other words, the command that will lead the invasion of Taiwan, said it was,

00:13:36.740 quote, ready to fight. So it could be 2023, Liu. Xi Jinping right now is, he's at a point where he can't

00:13:46.460 stop talking about war, as you point out. And that shows you his mentality. He talks, as you pointed out,

00:13:53.540 about worst case scenarios. And no country threatens China. So really what he's talking about is what could

00:14:00.560 happen inside China. And what could happen if, for instance, China invades Taiwan or Japan or the

00:14:08.940 Philippines or whomever. I mean, there are so many rich targets on China's periphery. So we don't know

00:14:16.040 where it will be, but it could also be us. Because you've got to remember all of these dangerous

00:14:20.280 intercepts in the global commons, in the South China Sea, in the Taiwan Strait. This is just a point

00:14:27.600 where, as Tony said, this is 1938 or this is 1939. But you can feel it in the air. People in the region

00:14:35.560 can feel it in the air. And just one other thing, we've already got a war in Ukraine. We also, at the

00:14:41.140 same time, have China and Russia provoking these insurgencies in North Africa that look like war.

00:14:47.140 Conflict is spreading. And we don't know where this is going to end.

00:14:50.860 Well, we're going to take up what those targets might be should China decide to go to war.

00:14:56.000 And we're going to start with Taiwan. We'll be turning to Tony. And as we continue here

00:15:03.520 on The Great America Show, we'll be back with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. Stay with us. We'll be

00:15:08.620 right back. We're back now. And thanks for staying with us. Tony Schaefer. Yes, sir. We know that

00:15:20.480 Taiwan is ultimately the target. Does the United States have now, as a result of the statements of

00:15:27.920 Tony Blinken and the apparent force of the presidency behind him, we will not support Taiwanese 1.00

00:15:35.120 independence? What is our position militarily? Militarily, we've actually had a very robust

00:15:43.280 relationship with Taiwan. We've actually armed them. There was a series of sales just within the

00:15:49.200 last year of additional weapon systems. And it's been one of those things where I think the United

00:15:54.060 States has talked out of both sides of its mouth. It's had this one China policy, which I've never

00:15:58.460 personally agreed with. I think it just encourages the PRC and CCP to increase their pressure to try to

00:16:06.660 unify, quote unquote, unify Taiwan and creates a dangerous condition. At the same time, United States

00:16:12.620 and other allies have been working with Taiwan to make sure that they have a certain number of arms

00:16:17.200 and weapons. And the Blinken statement of status quo is disingenuous at best. And militarily,

00:16:24.940 we United States know, Lou, that Taiwan indeed is something we militarily need to defend.

00:16:31.320 There are two entities which really do actually talk about this publicly quite a bit. A Navy magazine

00:16:38.260 called the Proceedings and their online presence. They talk about this all the time. Very level-headed

00:16:43.580 retired Navy admirals and captains talk about this. By the way, the Proceedings were the ones who

00:16:48.380 actually, right after World War I, made some amazing observations and changes to our doctrine,

00:16:55.820 which is actually saved the Navy in World War II. It's a very outspoken and a very effectively

00:17:01.020 outspoken organization. And other than that, you've seen a handful of folks speaking on military

00:17:07.500 terms, such as London Center and some other organizations. Obviously, Gordon and I talk

00:17:11.500 about this all the time, where we're trying essentially to educate folks. And a handful of

00:17:16.700 things like Forbes has been on top of actually trying to tell the truth about this issue and the

00:17:21.640 resource issue. But what is the truth? Well, the truth is China has stated in doctrine, it wants to

00:17:30.260 start dominating the Pacific Rim. And they have essentially like the Japanese, they studied how 0.78

00:17:34.100 the Japanese did it. They're going to start going in waves to obtain more direct control. That's why we 1.00

00:17:40.580 see the provocations at sea. They are provocative, by the way, Lou, to all of our allies, the Australians,

00:17:47.720 the Philippines, the Vietnamese, South Koreans, because it's a resource issue. They want the 0.95

00:17:53.780 food. They need the fish. They have a huge population. As Gordon said, they have internal

00:17:58.160 problems. They have all sorts of things they have to resolve. One of those is food. They're going to

00:18:01.940 be challenging those nations. It's going to be about fuel and food, because the other thing they need,

00:18:07.000 obviously, coming through the South China Straits and the states of Malacca, is Middle Eastern

00:18:12.220 Petroleum. They don't have that. That's why they're so hard pressed right now to work with Putin to try to

00:18:17.500 get a pipeline, because they cannot live. Their economy cannot survive, nor will Xi survive as a

00:18:22.760 leader if anything happens to their petroleum. So they, like the Japanese, know that they need to 0.98

00:18:28.240 secure that if they're going to maintain their aggression. The Japanese knew that when we cut 1.00

00:18:33.700 off their fuel, they became more aggressive. They know, the Chinese know, that there are certain 0.99

00:18:37.740 vulnerabilities. But they're going to do it anyway, because they feel it's their right. They are the

00:18:41.440 chosen people of the world. The Han are the chosen people. There's a whole racial aspect of this, 0.75

00:18:46.180 which I'm not sure if we have time to get into. But they believe it is their destiny to go after

00:18:50.260 and rule the Pacific as a beginning in the world, the world ultimately. You know, you were talking

00:18:55.480 about 1938 and drawing analogs earlier. And the analogs are always, you know, apt in history.

00:19:05.160 This is a regime, the Xi regime. It may be filled in its culture, filled with ideas of being the chosen

00:19:15.100 people. But we've heard we've heard this, this let me put it this way. We've heard this crap from a lot

00:19:20.880 of countries over the years, and they're all in the dustbin of history. And China will be exactly 1.00

00:19:26.320 the same. Whatever they believe, they're finding out right now that economies have cycles. They've had

00:19:34.200 wondrous growth, and now they have wondrous problems facing their economy and making them all the more

00:19:40.480 dangerous, in my opinion, because their economy is slowing. Their housing is disastrous. Their

00:19:45.800 unemployment has now risen to their young people are unemployed to the tune of just about 20%.

00:19:52.920 It is it is a really critical moment for China. And history teaches us that in the moments of

00:20:01.400 difficult economic times, that is when nations and particularly ambitious, aggressive nations are

00:20:08.620 the most dangerous. Don't you think? Don't you think? Lou, absolutely. You know, you talk about

00:20:14.580 youth unemployment. Officially, it was 20.8% last month, but probably higher than that. You're dealing

00:20:22.360 with a whole generation of people who went to college at the insistence of the Communist Party.

00:20:29.040 It needed to do something with them. So they warehouse them in colleges. Now, these guys have gotten

00:20:35.180 out. And Xi Jinping has been attacking the tech sector, which means the tech sector is not able

00:20:41.940 to employ them. But when you step back, China's economic problems are not just cyclical right now,

00:20:48.640 they're structural. Because of the way the Chinese regime has kept the economy going, especially since

00:20:55.760 the 2008 downturn, they've created massive amounts of debt, which they can't pay back. We don't know

00:21:02.640 exactly how much it is. But this has manifested itself in collapsing property prices and the

00:21:08.920 continuing debt defaults. So you have an economy right now, which probably is not growing. If it's

00:21:14.760 growing, it's like 0.5% or 1%. We've seen the import numbers have been down now for eight straight

00:21:23.900 months. Imports are the most important indicator because they show domestic demand. As Tony points

00:21:30.720 out, there's worsening food shortages. You've got the environmental crisis. They have failing local

00:21:36.520 governments. They don't have a solution really to COVID, which COVID is still ravaging China.

00:21:42.820 So you put it all together. And I agree with you, Lou. This is dangerous moment because Xi Jinping

00:21:48.240 has no answers for domestic problems. And therefore, I think he looks at the international environment and

00:21:56.320 says, I'm going to rally the Chinese people with nationalism, with xenophobia, and with what

00:22:02.360 Tony talked about, the ham nationalism.

00:22:05.580 And from this perspective, from the American perspective, to think about war with China or

00:22:12.260 with any other country, with an impaired puppet president that says commander in chief, I have 0.86

00:22:18.340 to tell you guys, I can't think of anything much more frightening than to have Joe Biden as the

00:22:25.500 president of the United States, the commander in chief, should this country be threatened. And I

00:22:30.780 have to believe that 90% of the crazed Marxist Dems who voted for this man and organized his place in the

00:22:41.860 White House would be just as frightened as I am. What in the world are we facing here, Tony?

00:22:47.600 Well, look, I talked to Democrats. I was just out with a few last night who recognize how damaged

00:22:52.800 their party is and how this is going to lead to ruin of everyone, the very fabric of our republic.

00:22:58.360 And I think any American understands it's not about Democrats and Republicans facing off. It's about

00:23:04.500 Americans facing off against those who are in government compromise. Joe Biden is compromised.

00:23:10.240 He took money from China. He took money from Ukraine. I think he's the most effective 0.98

00:23:15.980 politician one can buy for the money. I think there was a Babylon Bee funny out yesterday,

00:23:21.440 Lou, that said Taiwan regretted not bribing Biden. I mean, it's kind of like, it's a joke,

00:23:28.660 but not a joke. Like, you know, they were regretting, we should have got ahead of the line.

00:23:32.460 That's truth. And so I think we have to recognize that we have a political party system that is

00:23:38.760 compromised to certain things that are happening. And my issue is, we need to get ahead of this,

00:23:45.060 Lou, or else we're going to lose the republic. And I don't, I'm not trying to be flip about saying

00:23:49.080 that. Well, I, and I'm not trying to be flip when I say to you, I, I don't, it's too late. We're

00:23:55.660 already behind events. We are behind the eight ball and we certainly are not in any way prepared

00:24:03.340 for whatever the future holds for us. Your thoughts, Gordon?

00:24:07.580 Yeah, I can't help but smile at that. You know, you talk about us being unprepared and something that

00:24:14.140 Tony's talked about in the past. You know, we have this surge of Chinese migrants into our

00:24:19.700 country, which is unprecedented. And this is a symptom, there are two things here. One of them

00:24:25.780 is, it's a symptom of extreme distress in China. And these Chinese migrants, by and large, are not 1.00

00:24:32.320 poor. These are middle class Chinese because they can afford to pay $35,000 a head to the cartels to 1.00

00:24:38.940 smuggle them into the U.S. But as the great correspondent Michael Yan has said, he is seeing

00:24:46.100 increasingly large packs of Chinese males of military age, not traveling with family groups,

00:24:54.100 who pretend not to speak English. And these groups are coming into the United States.

00:25:02.320 You know, Michael suspects that these are the saboteurs that will wage war on the United States

00:25:07.680 on the first day of a conflict in Asia. And we're not tracking these groups. And we,

00:25:14.440 I think the Biden administration just doesn't care. I mean, this is, this is a great danger to all of us.

00:25:23.320 Well, perilous times without, without doubt. We're talking with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang.

00:25:28.020 We're coming right back right after these words. Please stay with us.

00:25:31.400 We're back with Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. And I want to run an idea by you and see what you

00:25:43.140 think about it as we are talking about being prepared for a very uncertain and cloudy future

00:25:50.720 for this country and for the globe itself. I can't think of a more advanced technology

00:25:56.040 technology that is possessed outside the United States than the semiconductor industry in Taiwan.

00:26:02.680 Right.

00:26:02.760 So my proposal would be rather we bring, we shut down the border.

00:26:06.680 We bring in the pop, the entire population of Taiwan.

00:26:11.660 We bring in their factories, their intellectual property, their, their culture,

00:26:17.000 and we put them right in the heart of America, distribute them wherever they wish to go

00:26:21.780 and make it worth their while. Meanwhile, we shut down bringing in unskilled, uneducated 0.98

00:26:30.360 people without, without basis for their entry into the United States who've been coming in 1.00

00:26:39.200 illegally. China then can have Taiwan. The, the island could be theirs and we could give the,

00:26:45.320 bring these new American citizens in from Taiwan and everybody's happy. I think we win.

00:26:51.780 What do you think guys?

00:26:54.000 Look, my, my family came over on the Lusitania to work in smelters in a little place called

00:26:59.680 Cherryvale, Kansas back about 1910. And I think skilled, skilled or unskilled labor people who

00:27:05.160 want to make a difference here should come here. People often forget American exceptionalism is not

00:27:09.820 about us being better than the world. The idea is that you can come here and be the best you can

00:27:14.260 be. That's American exceptionalism. You have that opportunity. And yeah, I'm all for the idea of

00:27:18.940 opening up opportunity, moving the foundries to the United States where it's more secure,

00:27:23.400 more stable. I think the world would, would breathe a sigh of relief to know that the high-tech

00:27:28.680 production of certain critical components, which 90, I think something like 90% of, of,

00:27:36.260 of the world's computer chips that for cars go, come out of Taiwan. I think people would love that.

00:27:43.100 And it would defang the Chinese PCCP interest in that, because I think that's part of what they 1.00

00:27:50.580 want. They want that resource. They want control of that for purposes of influencing the rest of

00:27:55.440 the world. So I think that would go a long way, but I'm all for it. But I just, you know, we can

00:28:00.040 always do it the easy way, Lou, and make Puerto Rico, the 51st state and Taiwan, the 52nd state,

00:28:05.940 and just make it all like Hawaii and put them under our flag. But I'm sure that would not be a popular

00:28:10.700 thing to do. So, no, I can, I can't even imagine why it occurred to you, but your thoughts, Gordon.

00:28:17.880 Yeah. You know, as president Trump said, we need to look at our immigration laws because they haven't

00:28:24.560 been working. And we do need to encourage the world's best and brightest to come here because

00:28:29.440 as George Gilder had said, the world's most important resources is people.

00:28:34.800 Absolutely. But what about Taiwan? I would love to do this. I think it would be a great way to

00:28:42.500 de-escalate some tensions and to reorient the hegemonic contests that are forming. I no more want,

00:28:53.120 you know, I understand the issue with China from the CCP's, the Chinese perspective,

00:29:00.080 culturally and every other way. But at the same time, we would not tolerate, I hope we would not

00:29:07.340 tolerate, a situation in which we were told that if we moved against Cuba for bringing in China,

00:29:17.220 that the Chinese would go to war. We would be able to have our return to the Monroe Doctrine. Your 0.89

00:29:25.200 thoughts? Yeah. There's two aspects about Taiwan that we don't often talk about. One of them is

00:29:33.220 that since the late 1800s, Taiwan has been at the center of America's Western defense perimeter.

00:29:41.020 It prevents the Chinese Navy and Army, sorry, Navy and Air Force from surging into the Western Pacific 0.99

00:29:47.520 where we don't want them. And Taiwan is critical to the defense of Japan and essential to the defense

00:29:54.540 of the Philippines. So if China were to absorb Taiwan, they would go after other countries in

00:30:01.560 the region because, as Tony pointed out, their ambitions are global. The other thing is that

00:30:08.160 Taiwan's democracy helps us immeasurably. And the reason is that it is the one reason, it undermines 0.91

00:30:16.800 the Communist Party's core argument. The Communist Party tells the Chinese people that it needs the

00:30:23.360 dictatorship of the party because they're not ready to govern themselves. But Taiwan is not only a

00:30:29.700 vibrant democracy, but a successful one. And it undermines every argument the party makes. Now,

00:30:36.120 the people in Taiwan don't consider themselves Chinese. We know this from self-identification

00:30:40.540 surveys. But Beijing tells the Chinese people that the people in Taiwan are Chinese. And so when you

00:30:46.700 have a successful quote unquote Chinese democracy, it basically tells the Chinese people, hey, we don't 0.92

00:30:53.920 need the Communist Party. So, you know, I'd like to see Taiwan remain vibrant and remain a friend of

00:31:00.920 the United States. And I believe that we should do more to make sure that we maintain that ring of

00:31:06.660 democracies along China's periphery.

00:31:08.980 Yeah. When I talk about actually bringing Taiwan to the United States, I mean that we have more than

00:31:15.260 ample space for them. We have there a population of what, 24 or 5 million people, 24 million.

00:31:21.980 And we could absorb that. We're demonstrating it right now. We've got something like 15 million

00:31:27.240 people come into the country illegally. In addition to the 4 million people, 5 million people who've been

00:31:32.920 brought in. I mean, this is a win-win for the United States. I think the people of Taiwan would

00:31:38.660 consider it. Don't you?

00:31:40.800 I think some people would come. And we know that because they, in fact, have come.

00:31:46.920 But I think, you know, most people in Taiwan are, they view themselves as Taiwanese. They want to 1.00

00:31:52.820 maintain their own culture and identity. And they realize they can best do that at home. And that's

00:31:58.560 true of a lot of people. But it's especially true of Taiwan now, because China keeps on telling them

00:32:03.380 they're Chinese. And the people in Taiwan say, oh, no, we're not. I mean, in self-identification

00:32:08.160 surveys, the most recent one showed, I think it was 83 percent of people on the island consider

00:32:14.500 themselves to be Taiwanese only. And only three and a half to four percent consider themselves to

00:32:19.820 be Chinese only. So that shows you that they want to keep their own society. 1.00

00:32:24.100 Okay. I'm putting you down as strongly opposed to Dobbs' brilliant idea. I want to turn to Cuba.

00:32:32.680 And it looks to me like the possible onset of another Cuban missile crisis, except for one thing.

00:32:40.280 The impaired puppet president is doing exactly what Xi Jinping tells him to do. 1.00

00:32:45.540 Blinken doesn't know where Cuba is. Jake Sullivan is, I have no idea what he does because he has 0.79

00:32:52.300 disappeared. This is a B-level national security team that is now, except for the appearance of

00:33:00.720 Blinken over the weekend. I mean, they're invisible and they're inept. What in the world is going to 0.99

00:33:07.100 happen and how and what should happen with Cuba and China now intervening into the Western

00:33:15.280 hemisphere? Well, I mean, I heard you say D-level as in David, not B-level as in Bravo. So I assume

00:33:25.300 that D-level is what you meant because they are D-level and we have seen the world fall apart.

00:33:30.860 You're a top grader, partner.

00:33:33.820 And I was trying to be generous. I can understand the confusion because I'm not normally that easy a

00:33:41.040 grader when it comes to the Marxist left. Thoughts on Cuba and what we should do, Tony?

00:33:47.020 Well, first, China is related to this directly because of Lourdes, the Lourdes SIGINT facility.

00:33:53.640 China has certain intelligence blind spots. One of them is signals intelligence. That's why they 0.99

00:33:58.480 have to have it open. By the way, I called John Kirby out the day he lied about it. Oh, we don't know

00:34:03.200 anything. It's like they knew for the entire last two years, Lou. And China needs that. And that's

00:34:09.200 something we should be opposing vigorously. They want to know how our Eastern United States

00:34:13.060 military facilities are going to react. And they have certain weaknesses regarding satellites,

00:34:17.600 too. That's why they have to use a balloon. Why would we? Why would we, Tony? Why would we even

00:34:22.600 countenance any possible entry of China into this hemisphere? It's already they've already moved into 1.00

00:34:30.740 Panama. They are working through the Central America, Brazil, across South America. We are

00:34:39.180 acting like we're indolent. Well, there's some combination of a lot of N-words. They are 0.95

00:34:46.740 absolutely insufferable. This administration doesn't care what's happening whatsoever in this

00:34:53.860 hemisphere. Now, Louis, I've said there's no intelligence failures. It's all policy failures.

00:34:58.360 We've advised people since the 90s on this, and we've been ignored. So I'm just saying you were

00:35:03.160 correct and policy issue, not an intelligence issue. Last words, guys. Gordon, you're concluding

00:35:09.420 thoughts first, and then we'll go to Tony. We have forgotten our own hemisphere, Latin America 0.58

00:35:17.320 and the Caribbean. And China, as you said, has made really important inroads. And we got to think

00:35:24.760 about what's going to happen in Cuba. The Chinese are going to put anti-ship missiles in Cuba, which

00:35:30.000 means we will not be able to leave our ports without danger. But also, we have to think about

00:35:37.360 what happened in 1962, the Cuban Missile Crisis. China right now is not deterred by us. So it is not 0.77

00:35:44.280 inconceivable that they would be putting short, intermediate, or maybe even long-range ballistic

00:35:50.260 missiles on the island, tipped with nuclear weapons. And so at this point, we need to abandon our

00:35:58.680 engagement policy of Havana. We have got to make sure they don't have the resources, and we've got

00:36:03.860 to make sure that China stays out. And by that, I mean, although we may not want to contemplate it, 0.81

00:36:10.560 I do believe that we should be thinking blockade and other factors that would work to keep China 1.00

00:36:16.340 out of Cuba, because this is an existential crisis. 0.78

00:36:20.040 Tony Schaefer.

00:36:21.380 I agree with everything Gordon said. And one step further, we, my team,

00:36:25.240 we're looking at how to come up with what we call Plan Orange for the 21st Century. Plan Orange

00:36:30.800 between World War I and World War II was the plan that the Army War College and Navy War College

00:36:35.220 came up with as how to defeat the Japanese. And we did so in great, with great effect, obviously. 0.98

00:36:41.900 We need to do the same again and then apply the doctrine of the Reagan administration to how to

00:36:47.300 implement it. The Reagan folks were very effective in going after and setting up for themselves

00:36:52.740 obtainable objectives within the strategy. So we need to combine those two things and figure out

00:36:57.980 a way to basically, like the Reagan folks did against the Soviet Union, defeat the Chinese

00:37:02.220 using the Chinese system's weaknesses against it. We're just not doing that. It can be done. 0.99

00:37:07.640 We must do it immediately if we're going to be effective to create conditions for us to beat

00:37:11.780 China once it becomes more aggressive than it is. 0.97

00:37:15.740 Tony Schaefer and Gordon Chang. Gentlemen, thanks for being with us. We appreciate your

00:37:21.120 thoughts, your insight. And it's great to have you with us here on The Great America Show. Thank you

00:37:26.880 so much, gentlemen.

00:37:28.340 Thanks, Lou, and thanks, Tony.

00:37:29.840 Yeah, thank you, Gordon. Thank you, Lou.

00:37:31.980 That's all for us here today. Thanks, everybody, for joining us. Our guest here Tuesday will be the

00:37:36.760 pro-Trump candidate for Missouri Attorney General, Will Scharf. Please be with us. And please follow me on

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00:37:50.380 Thanks again. God bless you. And God bless America.

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