The Great America Show - Xi Jinping is everything Joe Biden wants to be

00:00:00.000 Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Great America Podcast with Lou Dobbs,

00:00:04.200 always in the fight for truth, justice, and yes, our American way of life.

00:00:09.200 And now, here he is, the Peabody award-winning voice of truth, the great Lou Dobbs.

00:00:14.480 Hello, everybody, and welcome back to the Great America Show.

00:00:18.440 When the Biden administration isn't lying about a major issue,

00:00:22.480 you can rest assured they're trying to keep it secret from the American people.

00:00:26.640 President Biden lied about paying illegal immigrants, said it was all hogwash,

00:00:31.460 and the next day, the White House had to admit that, yes, Biden is considering huge sums of money

00:00:37.280 that would exceed, in fact, four times as much money as the federal government pays the family

00:00:43.280 of a service member killed in combat.

00:00:47.040 A quick list of the Biden lies.

00:00:49.960 He said he would secure the border.

00:00:51.620 It's, of course, wide open.

00:00:53.280 Two million illegal immigrants to cross in his first year, that border.

00:00:59.200 Biden said he was a friend of the coal industry. 0.98

00:01:01.980 He's doing his level best to kill it.

00:01:04.940 And now he claims his stimulus plan, amounting to some $3 trillion,

00:01:09.360 really isn't economic stimulus spending at all,

00:01:13.060 but rather a Biden genius-like plan to fight inflation, not create it.

00:01:20.700 It's incredible how this man is so clever, so bright that he has inverted both economic reality

00:01:28.440 and economic theory.

00:01:31.220 I will say this for Mr. Biden.

00:01:33.060 He's utterly unafraid to lie through his teeth, even when the lie is transparent, utterly wrongheaded,

00:01:39.620 and everyone, even children, know he's lying.

00:01:42.940 Will he be held accountable?

00:01:45.400 Hard to say, but his poll numbers have plummeted to 38%, and his vice president's numbers are even worse.

00:01:53.140 Not good.

00:01:54.600 President Xi is leading communist China's Cold War against the United States.

00:01:59.720 He took over Hong Kong and is now threatening to invade Taiwan.

00:02:03.000 She's good friend Vladimir Putin, moving his troops into position to invade Ukraine, or perhaps Poland,

00:02:11.160 while the United Nations warns of Iran's uranium enrichment program

00:02:15.020 that now has the Iranians within months of producing a nuclear bomb. 0.77

00:02:20.960 Those flashpoints are obvious, and the administration's ineptitude and indolence only magnify the threats.

00:02:27.620 U.S. markets and our economy are showing signs of some weakness,

00:02:32.640 and investor and consumer confidence is becoming increasingly difficult to sustain.

00:02:37.960 Against that backdrop, a new indictment in the Russian collusion scandal

00:02:42.440 that further reveals a conspiracy among the Hillary Clinton campaign,

00:02:47.820 the Democratic National Committee, a leading Democrat Washington law firm,

00:02:52.660 with the complicity, of course, of a number of FBI and Department of Justice officials,

00:02:59.140 as well as members of principal intelligence agencies,

00:03:03.400 not only U.S., but the U.K., Italy, and Australia.

00:03:07.520 And, of course, with the ever-present complicity of America's left-wing establishment media.

00:03:14.460 Special Counsel John Durham indicted Igor Danchekov,

00:03:18.680 expert on Russian geopolitics and policies for the Brookings Institution,

00:03:24.100 advisor to prominent Democrats, very prominent.

00:03:27.980 Durham charges Danchekov with lying to the FBI

00:03:31.240 and assisting Christopher Steele in the manufacture of the utterly fraudulent

00:03:37.200 and notorious content for the so-called dossier

00:03:41.820 used by corrupt Democrats and left-wing media to assail President Donald Trump.

00:03:47.160 And to take all of this up, we're joined by a man who has lived at the center of the biggest political scandal

00:03:54.760 in our country's history for the past five years.

00:03:58.760 Kash Patel is a former chief of staff for the Secretary of Defense under President Donald Trump,

00:04:04.500 deputy assistant to the president,

00:04:07.340 former director of counterterrorism at the National Security Council,

00:04:10.780 former principal deputy to the director of national intelligence as well,

00:04:15.980 and senior counsel to the House Permanent Select Committee on Intelligence.

00:04:20.860 Mr. Patel is a graduate of the University of Richmond,

00:04:24.160 certified in international law from the University College London,

00:04:27.840 and an attorney with a jurisdoctorate from New York's Pace School of Law.

00:04:32.580 He worked closely with Congressman Devin Nunes in defending the president

00:04:36.860 against two impeachments and the constant persecution of the radical Dems in Washington, D.C.

00:04:45.340 against spurious and vicious and utterly fraudulent allegations and attacks

00:04:50.140 that were constant throughout his entire term in office.

00:04:54.980 Kash, first of all, thanks for all you have done and continue to do.

00:04:59.420 It's great to have you with us.

00:05:00.840 It's truly an honor.

00:05:02.900 Lou, thanks so much for that mighty generous introduction,

00:05:05.820 and I've missed talking to you.

00:05:07.980 I'm so excited to be back on the show with you.

00:05:10.660 America needs to hear your voice, so I'm just happy to be thrilled to be a part of it.

00:05:14.980 Well, that's very kind.

00:05:15.940 And, Kash, let's turn to the Durham latest indictment.

00:05:21.780 How important is it?

00:05:23.600 It's massive.

00:05:24.540 It's massive.

00:05:25.180 Look, John Durham, as a former federal prosecutor myself,

00:05:27.680 putting together a large-scale conspiracy and fraud cases, that takes two, three, four years.

00:05:32.980 John Durham is in year two of the largest political scandal in U.S. history, which was criminal.

00:05:39.700 So he's indicted, first, a quick rewind, an FBI attorney for lying to the federal court and a federal judge,

00:05:46.100 and the FBI lied intentionally to get a surveillance warrant against the Trump campaign.

00:05:52.580 Kevin Kleinsmith, indicted, convicted felon now, FBI attorney.

00:05:56.580 Now that sums up the FBI.

00:05:58.620 Then you have the next indictment against Sussman, as you said,

00:06:01.440 who was the number two lawyer for the DNC and Hillary campaign.

00:06:04.620 They got paid $10-plus million to help perpetuate that fraud that Kevin Kleinsmith and the FBI assisted in.

00:06:12.340 And what did Sussman accused of doing?

00:06:14.360 Lying to the FBI and basically saying he was misrepresenting to the FBI who his client was.

00:06:20.700 And I interrogated Sussman under oath.

00:06:23.540 The deposition cited by John Durham in his indictment of Sussman is mine.

00:06:27.140 We locked him in because we knew he was representing the DNC in the Hillary campaign.

00:06:32.060 And then he goes to the FBI and peddles false information about Alphabank servers that we now know never existed.

00:06:39.140 The FBI bought and sold that garbage, and now he's indicted.

00:06:42.200 And the Igor Danchenko indictment is sort of the third piece of this entire fraud.

00:06:47.840 And Christopher Steele's dossier, as we now know, thanks to our other deposition of Andy McCabe,

00:06:54.780 then deputy director of the FBI who was caught lying to the inspector general and the FBI,

00:07:00.740 said under oath to me that unless they're without a Steele dossier, there is no FISA warrant.

00:07:09.260 Break it down.

00:07:10.120 What that means is there is no investigation into the Trump campaign without Steele's phony dossier.

00:07:14.980 And what did Steele rely on to make his dossier?

00:07:19.740 Igor Danchenkov, the guy who's now indicted by John Durham.

00:07:24.340 And his indictment basically says Igor Danchenkov didn't provide any credible information to Christopher Steele.

00:07:31.360 So now you have Christopher Steele, who's the main source of the dossier.

00:07:34.860 His credibility has been completely gutted by the FBI's own documents, which we revealed during our Russiagate investigation.

00:07:39.900 And, oh, by the way, you have Christopher Steele's reliance on this basically fake, made-up source.

00:07:46.380 And now he's also indicted for lying to the FBI.

00:07:49.280 So those three pillars, along with, as you said, the mainstream media, helped perpetuate this fraud.

00:07:55.220 But I think we're finally getting some accountability.

00:07:56.820 It is – I'm sitting here looking at some of the references in this indictment.

00:08:06.320 And without name, Jake Sullivan.

00:08:10.660 Clearly now it appears a figure of interest for the special counsel.

00:08:19.540 Give us your thoughts about Sullivan, the national security advisor for Mr. Biden, and the implications here.

00:08:28.220 Oh, I have so many.

00:08:29.260 Yeah, you're right.

00:08:29.880 Jake Sullivan, formerly senior campaign advisor to then-candidate Hillary Clinton, and also Hillary Clinton's national security advisor, now the president's national security advisor.

00:08:41.700 In the indictments between Sussman and Danchenko, he's cited by title.

00:08:46.480 It's Jake Sullivan, who is – and again, let's rewind the tape a little bit.

00:08:50.200 We deposed Jake Sullivan under oath during our Russiagate investigation under Chairman Nunes.

00:08:55.660 I asked him flat out, did he have any knowledge regarding what his clients, Hillary Clinton campaign, and Perkins Coita law firm were helping peddle?

00:09:06.440 What was all that money going for?

00:09:07.980 And that indictment – excuse me, that deposition is also public.

00:09:10.620 He said he had no idea what any of that stuff was going towards.

00:09:14.960 Yet in the indictments by John Durham, you see that John Durham has acquired communications between Jake Sullivan, the Hillary campaign, Fusion GPS, Steele, and the others.

00:09:24.680 So either Jake Sullivan, in my opinion, lied to Congress under oath or is lying in John Durham's indictments about his knowledge of what the money from the Hillary Clinton campaign was going to Christopher Steele.

00:09:38.320 So I think he's got a lot of trouble.

00:09:40.000 Here's the irony of everything, Lou.

00:09:41.900 As you know, wouldn't it be ironical if the current National Security Advisor, the President of the United States, who should actually be charged with the felony, is – compare that with what they did to Michael Flynn, the former National Security Advisor under President Trump, who's brought up, trumped up charges,

00:09:58.640 and who Rick Grinnell, and who Rick Grinnell and I had to – when we were running the DNI.

00:10:02.880 We were the ones who declassified the evidence of innocence that the Department of Justice intentionally withheld from Michael Flynn so his case could be tossed as it should never have been brought.

00:10:12.340 And no one has been held accountable for the participation of the Justice Department and the FBI in an actual established attempt to frame the National Security Advisor to the President of the United States, a three-star general serving in the nation.

00:10:34.320 Why not?

00:11:04.300 Why not?

00:11:06.300 Why not?

00:11:08.300 Why not?

00:11:10.440 And Michael Flynn was just one example.

00:11:12.720 I'm glad we were able to give him a piece of his life back and at least show that he was actually innocent.

00:11:19.300 And hopefully John Durham, I actually have some faith that he will go after the Jake Sullivans of the world, the Fiona Hills of the world, the Fusion GPSs of the world.

00:11:27.660 I think he's on the right track.

00:11:29.740 And I want to get into the issue of John Durham and, if you will, his longevity in just a minute.

00:11:37.560 But I want to turn to this idea that there's no accountability.

00:11:45.040 No one's going to prison.

00:11:47.360 Yet assess, compare, if you will, with your background and intelligence and being in the swamp for these many years.

00:11:57.440 How would you compare Watergate to Russiagate, to what I would argue is the greatest political scandal in history?

00:12:09.240 So many people have been drawing that analogy, and I think, Lou, you're right to do so.

00:12:13.880 Watergate is drowned by Russiagate.

00:12:16.840 Watergate, if you recall, actually had people indicted and go in prison.

00:12:20.980 And it was a big scandal.

00:12:22.400 To that point, it was the biggest political scandal.

00:12:24.800 Well, Russiagate just dwarfs that because it doesn't involve a sitting president of the United States and Donald Trump.

00:12:31.860 It involves the director of the FBI, the heads of the intelligence community, an opposition political campaign drumming up false information by paying a foreign asset to pump and peddle false information into the FBI and having a willing partner in the corrupt FBI come up with a surveillance apparatus to go in against their opponent.

00:12:52.240 I mean, just think about it.

00:12:53.360 Think about what we've proven, Lou, with your assistance in the last five years.

00:12:57.040 Donald Trump didn't collude with Russia or Russian agents.

00:12:59.940 Neither did his campaign.

00:13:00.980 The only person and people that colluded with Russia were the Hillary Clinton campaign and the mainstream media.

00:13:06.900 And it cost them tens of millions of dollars to do so, and they were willing to pay it.

00:13:11.480 I don't know what you couldn't write a science fiction novel.

00:13:14.240 That would be a bigger scandal than Russiagate, in my opinion.

00:13:19.000 And complicit as well, of course, the national left-wing media.

00:13:23.540 And by that, I'm referring to the corporate media.

00:13:27.260 And they often don't get credit or, more properly, blame for their role, whether they be the owners of ABC News, that is Disney, CNN, their corporate owner, AT&T, MSNBC, NBC News, that, of course, Comcast.

00:13:46.580 And the list goes on.

00:13:48.920 The Washington Post, owned by the second richest man in the world.

00:13:52.440 And they're treated as if they're a populist organ of the people rather than a plaything for a billionaire.

00:14:01.060 Give us your thought about the role of power, economic power, in our national media and the way it's being used.

00:14:10.820 Well, this one's very personal for me, Lou.

00:14:12.460 So having ran the Russiagate investigation from Chairman Nunes, the national left-wing media came after me relentlessly.

00:14:19.580 They defamed me thanks to outrageous garbage by the likes of Fiona Hill and Alexander Vindman.

00:14:25.660 I was jutted into the Ukraine impeachment fiasco that they conjured up, which President Trump was obviously acquitted of.

00:14:32.740 And so what did they do?

00:14:33.780 They defamed me.

00:14:34.400 And what did I do?

00:14:35.060 I decided that I'm not going to take a knee.

00:14:36.740 I'm going to fight back.

00:14:37.460 So I've sued the New York Times, Politico, and CNN for $150 million dollars.

00:14:42.760 Those defamation cases are ongoing.

00:14:44.880 You have to correct the media.

00:14:46.500 And I was so motivated by the American citizens that I talked to about my lawsuits that I started fightwithcash.com with a K. 0.99

00:14:55.060 And what are we doing?

00:14:56.000 We're going around the country raising money for people who have been defamed and deplatformed by the big tech and big media because I wasn't the only one.

00:15:03.500 And we're going to help raise money and pay for your lawyers so you guys can have your day in court.

00:15:09.460 And I think that's the kind of measure that we're meeting out at fightwithcash.com that America needs because the only thing that the mainstream media is going to understand is a seven-figure bullet to their bottom line.

00:15:21.040 And that's what I'm chasing, and that's my latest initiative.

00:15:23.740 I think I agree with you entirely. 0.75

00:15:25.220 They are beyond corrupt and beyond complicit.

00:15:28.280 They are the unindicted co-conspirator of the Russiagay conspiracy, and I'm doing what I can to help push back and hold them accountable.

00:15:37.500 Well, I think that is wonderful, and I think that your goal is noble.

00:15:43.320 And even though the Great America Show and our enterprise is but a small acorn, we do hope to grow.

00:15:52.460 And as we grow, we will have a fight with cash on our website, and we will support you in that effort 100%.

00:16:02.360 Thank you so much.

00:16:04.660 Thank you.

00:16:04.760 Good on you.

00:16:05.280 Good on you.

00:16:35.280 Well, you know, from my prosecutor days, Fiona Hill would be on my tier one list of people I need to talk to. 0.99

00:16:46.220 And knowing John Durham and the way he operates, I believe he's already put Fiona Hill in a grand jury to get her sworn testimony, because let's connect the dots here, as you just alluded to.

00:16:56.820 Igor Danchenko, the latest individual to be indicted by John Durham, was Fiona Hill's research assistant at the Brookings Institute.

00:17:04.720 Who's Fiona Hill? 1.00

00:17:05.480 Fiona Hill is the lady, while she was at the Brookings Institute, who connected Christopher Steele to Fusion GPS, who connected Igor Danchenkov to Charles Dolan.

00:17:19.180 Who's Charles Dolan?

00:17:20.740 And this is all part of the Durham indictment.

00:17:22.360 Charles Dolan is the—

00:17:23.120 By the way, a lot of people, Cash, were saying suddenly after that indictment, who in the world is Charles Dolan?

00:17:29.120 Me too. Me too. Me too. I was one of them.

00:17:31.860 And I led the Russiagate investigation, Lou, and me and Devin had never heard of him.

00:17:36.120 And what does that tell us?

00:17:37.320 That means that the likes of Rod Rosenstein and Chris Wray withheld information from Congress, even though we issued lawful subpoenas to obtain that documentation.

00:17:45.420 And while that ticks me off to no end that they withheld that information, we knew they were withholding information, it gives me hope that John Durham is getting that information that was withheld to us.

00:17:55.620 And the question Americans need to ask is, what else was withheld from the American public during our investigation that John Durham is getting?

00:18:01.900 And I think it centers around Fiona Hill.

00:18:04.200 And now, and if you recall, Fiona Hill was, of course, the lady who helped conjure up the Ukraine impeachment fiasco.

00:18:10.980 And she said under oath, and I'm paraphrasing during her testimony in that fiasco, she said she had no idea what Steele was doing or anything to do with his dossier.

00:18:23.160 She, the lady who connected Christopher Steele to his main source, her pupil, she's saying under oath she has no idea.

00:18:30.760 I don't know if that stretches credulity, I'll leave it to John Durham and the American people, but the facts are not good for Fiona Hill and she needs to be investigated.

00:18:40.400 And it appears, and I've got to say at this point, I want to thank the audience.

00:18:44.760 I know that some of this is very tough sledding, but no better person to get a hold of that sled than Kash Patel.

00:18:55.280 As you've already learned, he knows this case inside out, and we appreciate you guiding us through it, being, if you will, our Sherpa today on this case.

00:19:07.980 We also want to say that this, I have to take some personal responsibility here.

00:19:16.500 I had given up.

00:19:17.780 I've got to confess to everyone that I gave up on John Durham.

00:19:22.560 I thought it was over.

00:19:25.640 I completely and wrongly, obviously, gave up on him, and I want to apologize to him, and I want to say thank you to the special counsel for being a man of integrity and carrying out his discharge.

00:19:41.400 It's discharging his responsibility so admirably.

00:19:46.120 So, where is now Bill Barr in this?

00:19:51.860 Where is the former president of the United States?

00:19:56.540 For example, with this, we established that the dossier is gone.

00:20:02.260 Any predicate for a special counsel is eliminated with this, and the FISA intrigue is still alive.

00:20:12.400 But we understand just what kind of a cesspool it was.

00:20:17.420 This president, the Democratic Party, and members of the deep state tried to assassinate him without pulling a traitor.

00:20:26.180 That's the way I view it.

00:20:27.320 They've tried to kill his political future as well as his presidency.

00:20:31.340 Your thoughts on what I've said, and how likely are you to agree with it?

00:20:39.140 Yeah, look, Lou, look, I think everybody lost faith in John Durham, and thankfully we have you in the media who has integrity enough to come out and say, hey, I might have gotten something wrong.

00:20:52.720 Well, I think you weren't the only one.

00:20:54.820 Most of America got that assessment wrong.

00:20:57.660 And if the mainstream media would follow your integrity, we might have more accountability.

00:21:02.460 But when it comes to this charade, this fraud, here's what it boils down to.

00:21:08.540 If you've never heard of Russiagate, go watch the plot against the president.

00:21:11.580 It's an amazing film online that you can find.

00:21:13.540 But here's what it boils down to.

00:21:15.520 Here's the question.

00:21:16.300 If you're an American citizen, do you want the United States Department of Justice and Federal Bureau of Investigation obtaining false information about you and your family and then getting a secret surveillance warrant based on that false information?

00:21:28.080 That's the bottom line question.

00:21:29.760 If the answer to that question is no, then you are in lockstep with everything that Lou Dobbs and I are talking about today.

00:21:35.880 We cannot have that type of corruption, the James Comey corruption in the FBI that perpetuated under Rob Rosenstein into the Trump administration, shockingly.

00:21:47.220 And him and Chris Wray allowed this fraud to continue because not only did they get a surveillance warrant while President Trump was candidate Trump, it went into his presidency.

00:21:55.640 And because of our work in Russiagate and the inspector general's independent reporting, not many people know this, Lou.

00:22:01.660 Half of the FISA warrants were rescinded.

00:22:04.380 That has almost never happened in the history of the FISA court. 0.96

00:22:07.960 That's how bad the mainstream media bought and sold this garbage.

00:22:12.000 And that's how right we were and you were to report on our findings in the Russiagate investigation. 0.93

00:22:17.200 So I wholeheartedly agree with you.

00:22:19.700 I think we're only two-thirds of the way done with John Durham.

00:22:22.580 I say stay tuned.

00:22:24.720 There's a lot more coming.

00:22:26.040 Give us your take on where we go from here, where John Durham takes this investigation.

00:22:38.640 Just your sense of where it leads.

00:22:42.520 Yeah.

00:22:42.980 So look, as a former national security prosecutor, Lou, and a former public defender before that, sort of being on both sides of the aisle in a court of law,

00:22:49.880 you don't issue lying to the FBI indictments that are more than two, three, four pages long.

00:22:56.460 You do issue them on the rare occasion when you want to issue what's called a speaking indictment.

00:23:01.220 And why do we do that as prosecutors?

00:23:02.640 We do that because it's our only way to lawfully let the American public know the depth and width of our investigation.

00:23:11.380 John Durham has done it not once, not twice, but thrice, issuing a 29-page indictment against Michael Sussman and a 39-page indictment against Danchenko.

00:23:20.840 Why is he doing that?

00:23:21.540 Because he's working on a large-scale mob-style conspiracy fraud case.

00:23:25.780 He's outlining, by name, by title, individuals that he believes are under his investigation.

00:23:32.780 Jake Sullivan, Fiona Hill, Charles Dolan, the Clinton operative, all of Steele's subsources.

00:23:40.500 He's talking about Fusion GPS and Glenn Simpson, the guys that were hired by the DNC and Hillary campaign who hired Christopher Steele and paid him six figures.

00:23:50.300 He's talking about the Bruce Orr's of the world and Nellie Orr's, who were also a part of this fraud, I believe, and we proved that during Russiagate.

00:23:57.820 So when you take almost 100 pages of indictments to talk about all these people, it's because, as a prosecutor, you already have the ammunition.

00:24:07.200 And it's just what's the next step.

00:24:08.660 And I believe the next step is John Durham has already obtained the financial records of the law firm, the email communications and telephone communications between the Jake Sullivans of the world and the people that perpetuated this fraud, like Fusion GPS, like Fiona Hill, like Glenn Simpson.

00:24:25.660 And he's connected all those dots behind the scenes.

00:24:27.940 So what's next?

00:24:28.960 I believe, and I hope, some more indictments because that's the only way American people's trust in our leadership at FBI and DOJ is going to be restored.

00:24:37.920 The, as you said, the people's trust is all but absent.

00:24:43.780 The corruption, the obvious corruption that we've all witnessed and which has been recorded, chronicled over the past five years, whether it's the FBI, we have never seen an FBI laid bare like this in its corrupt operations and corrupt decision making.

00:25:02.800 It's political bias and a justice department that refuses to investigate anomalies, irregularities in the election of 2020.

00:25:16.440 I'm not saying that there's any clear evidence that the outcome would have been different had not those irregularities and instances of fraud occurred.

00:25:26.200 But when the Justice Department refuses to investigate obvious questions of both electoral integrity and efforts at fraud, the American people are stunned.

00:25:40.400 They watched two attempted impeachments of a president, a sitting president, without any, any result whatsoever, pure fiction in the charges and a ho-hum at the end of the proceedings that took up three years while an administration ignores Hunter Biden's laptop, financial dealings with China and Ukraine.

00:26:06.100 I mean, it's, it's, it's, it's stunning stuff.

00:26:09.540 What do you think it's going to take for this country to once again, believe the Justice Department is at all interested in justice?

00:26:16.100 I think it's about the truth.

00:26:21.460 I think it's going to take some mechanism that shatters the hypocrisy that you just outlined.

00:26:28.100 You actually have evidence and information of people doing quid pro quos with Ukraine and Hunter Biden and his art sale fiasco and getting money and getting big level contracts from China for advisory work because his dad was the vice president.

00:26:44.680 And these are things that actually need to be investigated and brought to light versus the the total farce that they directed at President Trump.

00:26:53.280 And what's it going to take? Two things, a media that's willing to report on it.

00:26:57.100 And I'll be here with you, Lou, for as long as it takes to talk about and educate the American people on all the things we did right and you reported correctly on.

00:27:05.760 And the other thing it's going to take, it's going to take some guts from John Durham.

00:27:08.840 So it's going to take some guts for for him to show that the enemy caves of the world, the Peter Strzok, the leadership at the FBI, the leadership at then DOJ corrupted an institution.

00:27:19.620 And the only way to repair it is to take a page out of Watergate and indict some of those people at the top and hold them accountable.

00:27:28.160 And that's how you restore integrity to the Department of Justice.

00:27:31.140 Look, that I work for and I work for it under President Barack Obama.

00:27:34.400 And we did some righteous work in the national security arena.

00:27:37.320 There's a way to get us back some of that, not all of that belief and confidence in DOJ.

00:27:45.420 But I think they just need John Durham just needs to speak loudly in the coming months.

00:27:52.160 Well, Cash, first of all, I'm going to quickly accept your offer to be with us and to guide us through this and to be here often and regularly, if you will.

00:28:03.460 Of course.

00:28:03.920 Well, Cash, I thank you so much for the education today.

00:28:09.220 I'm sure that all of the Americans listening to your voice are deeply appreciative.

00:28:14.640 Lou, thanks so much.

00:28:15.580 And thanks for your support for fightwithcash.com.

00:28:18.000 We really need the help and we can talk about it more, including the vendetta subpoenas that are costing me a fortune from the Jan 6th committee.

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00:28:34.640 Stay with us.

00:28:36.240 The Biden White House remains, as it's been for almost a year, in utter turmoil, operating as if Joe Biden is a dictator rather than president of this constitutional republic of ours.

00:28:49.380 While the Republicans haven't been able to muster the courage or will to stop Biden's Marxist left agenda, the courts are beginning to take notice and some action.

00:29:00.380 A federal court ruling that Biden's China virus mandates are to be suspended until the courts can actually make a final ruling on the constitutionality of those mandates has the White House in a dismissive mood.

00:29:18.020 What did Joe Biden do?

00:29:19.220 He told his departments and private business to ignore the court order, and the court has not publicly responded in any way to his outrageous provocation.

00:29:30.860 And while the radical Democrats in Washington have succeeded in blocking further construction of the wall on our southern border, calling it racist and defying both law and court orders,

00:29:42.460 while the White House ferries illegal immigrants by the tens of thousands to cities and towns in the dead of night all across the country.

00:29:52.600 At the same time, the European Union is actively considering building a wall as the flood of migrants, as they call them, pour into the European Union, 0.99

00:30:03.160 and a crisis with explosive potential builds on the border between Belarus and Poland.

00:30:10.660 To this point, the Biden White House has made no progress in lowering tensions with Russia, Ukraine, and Poland.

00:30:18.820 And President Biden, well, he's not in the least concerned that Putin pal, Communist China's President Xi Jinping,

00:30:26.240 is the new Mao Zedong, tenured for life as the leader of the Chinese Communist Party, with unlimited, with absolute power.

00:30:36.860 With us today, one of the most prolific writers on geopolitics and global economics,

00:30:42.720 Gregory Copley is the president of the International Strategic Studies Association in Washington, D.C.,

00:30:49.160 editor of the Defense and Foreign Affairs series of publications.

00:30:52.780 He's authored thousands of articles and papers, speeches, and books on geopolitical strategy and defense policy.

00:31:00.440 Here now, Gregory Copley.

00:31:02.800 Gregory, good to have you with us.

00:31:04.520 And if we may, let's begin with your view on the political and economic state of Communist China,

00:31:11.000 about which there seems to be widely divergent views.

00:31:15.040 Your thoughts?

00:31:16.920 Well, great to be with you, Lou.

00:31:18.500 And the reality is that we have to look to the Soviet Union, particularly under Stalin,

00:31:24.660 to understand that a Stalinist and Stalinist-type regime never, ever, ever gives out accurate information on anything. 0.95

00:31:36.620 Statistics in particular, the lies, damned lies, and statistics, I think, was written for Stalin, 0.94

00:31:42.520 because the reality is that whatever actually is recorded as to a performance of the economy or a performance of anything 0.97

00:31:52.640 has to be made to look better, and therefore the lies begin.

00:31:57.700 In communist China today, there has not been a single accurate statistic released by the Communist Party of China since 1949.

00:32:10.100 But it is particularly true today.

00:32:12.100 The lies, the exaggerations, and the like are profound.

00:32:15.560 Now, yes, there are some retail figures which you can glean from the performance of Western companies operating in the People's Republic of China,

00:32:25.380 but the reality is that overall the economy has been in decline at least since 2015 and probably earlier.

00:32:32.740 We noticed that post-2015, the funding of the Belt and Road Initiative has started to dry up

00:32:40.340 and is now virtually a trickle, if you like, of funds going out on Belt and Road Initiative projects.

00:32:47.680 And that indicates the incredible lack of hard currency foreign exchange reserves in the People's Republic of China.

00:32:56.360 The fact is that Xi Jinping believed that he could buy alliances around the world with cash.

00:33:05.980 He knew that Mao's Little Red Book was not going to hold any truck with the world audiences.

00:33:14.660 So he knew what the world wanted.

00:33:17.140 They wanted short-term thinking, transactional thinking.

00:33:22.240 They wanted cash-based incentives.

00:33:24.800 So he used the Belt and Road Initiative as a, if you like, as a financial Little Red Book,

00:33:30.620 where he gave money, he gave bribes, he lent money,

00:33:33.420 none of which is coming back to the PRC.

00:33:37.540 None of the major projects have been completed.

00:33:40.540 Therefore, the new PRC-controlled global infrastructure has not occurred.

00:33:48.740 Yes, they've done some incredible things, particularly in Africa, but nothing links up. 0.89

00:33:54.020 So PRC is not getting the resources it needs in the way it wants.

00:33:59.220 It's not getting a return on the investment it's made.

00:34:01.740 It's run out of cash, and it literally can't feed its own people.

00:34:08.160 We've got a situation where we've not seen a major power in the world so existentially dependent,

00:34:20.860 dependent for its existence on imported food in the way the People's Republic of China is.

00:34:26.700 We haven't seen this since the collapse of the Roman Empire.

00:34:29.740 When you think about it, they can do nothing without imported food.

00:34:34.360 And imported energy as well.

00:34:37.260 Of course.

00:34:38.160 Well, the great debate in this country is over critical race theory.

00:34:45.460 The debate in China is how much coal can we bring in from the United States,

00:34:50.340 and it's a huge amount over the summer.

00:34:53.380 That amount doubled from the United States as we are resolving for at least a short period of time their energy shortfall.

00:35:04.880 And they are taking our capital in record sums through the trade deficit with China and their export to us of everything from pharmaceuticals to advanced technology.

00:35:19.740 When you look at that basket of goods, it looks like we're, in fact, the third world country, emerging into the industrial age, not China.

00:35:31.200 Your thoughts?

00:35:32.640 Well, there's no question about that.

00:35:34.080 A country which exports only minerals and primary produce rather than technology is a third world country. 0.95

00:35:44.140 And you look at Australia, Australia abandoned its industry and became a dig and sell country like Nigeria. 1.00

00:35:51.160 Australia, the Nigerians are actually going back in and developing an industry.

00:35:55.140 The Australians are not yet doing so.

00:35:57.700 The United States is slow to rebuild its industry.

00:36:01.640 However, the great advantage, of course, is that agricultural surplus countries such as the United States do have a measure of security, which the PRC doesn't.

00:36:12.940 You've got a country there where you've got something like 20 percent of the world's population, 7 percent of the world's water.

00:36:19.880 That water is all polluted, 85, 90 percent polluted.

00:36:24.720 So they're getting polluted food stocks when they get them.

00:36:28.320 So they need anything and everything the U.S. can produce.

00:36:32.480 They found that Brazil, Australia, Russia and so on could not provide the kind of food resources which they need,

00:36:41.860 which hobbles the Communist Party of China because they know if they get into a serious, I mean, a real military conflict with the U.S.,

00:36:49.840 then food shipments stop going out of Long Beach, Oakland, Seattle the next day.

00:36:57.980 And a week later, the people of China are starving.

00:37:01.900 Well, it seems to me, at least according to all of the reporting from foreign media in China and our own intelligence services,

00:37:16.940 that the Chinese are in a period of unprecedented prosperity.

00:37:22.100 Yes, their economy has slowed.

00:37:23.660 Yes, they have debt issues galore.

00:37:28.720 And the private sector is not living up to what had been both their projections and the expectation of Western analysts.

00:37:38.000 But they are bleeding the United States dry through our massive dependence on China and the supply chain of particularly South Asia. 0.99

00:37:49.320 How do you square up your view with that of the more popular media and intelligence agencies in the West?

00:37:59.780 Well, intelligence agencies go on available data quite clearly.

00:38:05.240 And the available data is what is produced by the Communist Party of China.

00:38:10.180 And you see the World Bank statistics and so on, all based on Communist Party figures.

00:38:14.320 We know they lie.

00:38:18.160 And so it's a matter of saying, well, how much do they lie?

00:38:20.620 But the World Bank and the IMF, for example, aren't in a position to ask to what degree is that lie occurring?

00:38:26.640 So, yes, we do see a lot of PRC exports to the West, particularly to the United States.

00:38:34.760 But that is also, you can see that that has already peaked because the cost of manufacturing in the People's Republic of China has now increased consistently over the past two decades to the point where it's not cost competitive.

00:38:49.880 What we are now seeing is the ramping up of all...

00:38:52.300 Internationally, it's not as cost competitive as it was.

00:38:55.600 Let me ask you, if I may, Gregory, we're watching the CCP's Navy, the PLA Navy, is now at 355 ships on simply the basis of the size of the fleet.

00:39:13.500 China has a Navy, China has a Navy superior to that of the United States.

00:39:19.700 That doesn't, of course, take into account the submarine force.

00:39:25.080 It doesn't differential our or the firepower that is under the control of the U.S. Navy versus that of the PLA Navy.

00:39:36.300 But these are, it's a significant advance for the Chinese.

00:39:42.860 We're also watching it in their Air Force.

00:39:45.280 We're also watching their space program.

00:39:48.360 It is moving at leaps and bounds in terms of satellite technology and space weaponry.

00:39:55.640 How concerned are you about that?

00:39:57.560 And why is the United States so seemingly sanguine?

00:40:00.640 Well, I don't think the United States is sanguine.

00:40:04.460 I lecture to senior U.S. defense officials, at least on a weekly basis, and brief them.

00:40:10.220 And the concern is growing dramatically.

00:40:13.400 Moreover, the concern is primarily about the PRC's growth in the space arena,

00:40:19.960 because that's where the U.S. can really be threatened, particularly as the impact of space on cyber warfare is evolving.

00:40:27.520 But one of the concerns we have is that the PRC is putting, if you like, larger proportions of a diminishing available funding into the PLA development.

00:40:42.760 The Navy has been exceptionally impressive.

00:40:45.000 And this is a showcase, obviously, for Xi Jinping, not just for the world, but for the domestic PRC audiences,

00:40:54.560 because Xi Jinping right now is in the fight of his life to retain control of the Communist Party of China.

00:41:02.580 And he needs to look powerful.

00:41:04.480 He needs the PRC to look exceptionally strong on the global stage if he is going to get reelected to an unprecedented third term as head of the Communist Party in the Party Congress in October 2022.

00:41:22.100 And it looks as though he's sealed up all of the votes needed for that.

00:41:26.820 But he can be he certainly can't be sure of it.

00:41:30.280 And so he continues the bluster and the buildup of the ships.

00:41:34.700 Now, if he uses those ships against the United States or anything that brings the United States into conflict, as I say,

00:41:42.220 then he runs into problems because the food supply to the to the PRC stops overnight.

00:41:49.460 So it's a difficult he's in a difficult position.

00:41:52.400 And PLA Navy is very, very strong, but it is locked behind the first island chain,

00:41:57.940 which is, of course, why one of the reasons why Taiwan and the Republic of China is so critical as a centerpiece of Xi's policies.

00:42:07.200 He has been bold in sending his bombers fighters into the Taiwan defense zone with impunity,

00:42:20.420 provocative, also bellicose threats that emanate from Beijing almost weakly toward Taiwan and what is clear,

00:42:33.680 a frustration with its sovereignty and independence on the part of the PRC and Xi Jinping.

00:42:43.400 Taiwan looks to be extremely vulnerable and becoming more so.

00:42:47.840 The United States appears to be weaker in the South China Sea and the Sea of Japan and our Navy is flat out limited and tired.

00:43:00.180 Is that an unfair statement?

00:43:02.560 It's not an unfair statement at all.

00:43:04.920 The unfortunate aspect is that the Biden administration keeps giving passes to Xi Jinping to enable his expansion and his threats.

00:43:16.320 But the reality is that the louder and more bellicose the wolf warrior diplomacy of Xi Jinping is the weaker he, in fact, seems to be in reality.

00:43:27.520 What we see with the Republic of China, the Taiwanese defense forces, is that they are becoming more capable literally by the day.

00:43:36.400 The Taiwanese Navy is really nimble and can ensure that any cross-strait amphibious operation to take Taiwan by the PLA is going to be very, very questionable, very problematic.

00:43:55.040 So the PLA Navy, despite its buildup, still does not have enough sea lift and is looking at all manner of taking up ships from trade,

00:44:05.920 from whether they're fishing vessels or ferries and the like, in order to get enough sea lift capacity.

00:44:10.520 And the recent exercises showed this.

00:44:12.620 The PLA Navy is actually, in substantive terms, getting stronger, the PLA's options becoming fewer,

00:44:19.820 because as the Communist Party of China threatens Taiwan, we see Japan saying, well, Taiwan is essential to Japanese security,

00:44:31.480 and therefore any attack on Taiwan would be an attack on Japan and we would be at war.

00:44:35.460 And that, in turn, would then engage the U.S.-Japan defense treaty.

00:44:42.260 So, inescapably, Xi knows that an attack on Taiwan is a step too far.

00:44:49.640 And he's even been warned of this by PLA leaders.

00:44:53.520 And the big threat, one of the big threats to Xi's continued leadership,

00:44:58.400 is coming from a withdrawal of support for him by PLA leaders.

00:45:04.320 Because they know that, firstly, if he attacks Taiwan, he involves Japan and the United States.

00:45:10.540 But what would also happen is that the Indians would take advantage of that 0.89

00:45:14.240 and launch their own attacks on the Tibetan plateau and move across against Pakistan.

00:45:22.040 That would cut off, if the Indians did that against the northern Kashmir area controlled by Pakistan, 0.97

00:45:30.140 that would cut off China's land bridge down to the Indian Ocean.

00:45:35.160 So, that would isolate the People's Republic of China and literally reduce Beijing overnight to being a continental, not a global power.

00:45:45.520 So, Xi knows that he can't make that move.

00:45:48.240 The authors of his great strategy, which is called Unrestricted Warfare,

00:45:52.120 which was initially drafted in 1999, the authors of that, or one of the principal authors of that,

00:45:59.200 came out a couple of years ago and said Xi Jinping should never have started threatening people

00:46:04.380 because now it will be impossible to retake Taiwan.

00:46:08.560 And Taiwan's not important to the mainland anyway.

00:46:11.420 First priority is secure the mainland prosperity,

00:46:15.360 and that means food production and general wealth, before you think of anything else.

00:46:21.040 And Xi has abandoned that.

00:46:22.400 He figured he could make the strategic gains and then self-reliance in agriculture and so on would come later.

00:46:30.060 All of this, you know, from the muzzle of a rifle, power ultimately comes down to that.

00:46:40.160 In this case, that muzzle is a metaphor for a navy that it's growing, as you stated, rapidly and robustly.

00:46:51.140 Also, a surprise to our Western intelligence agencies was the success of testing a hypersonic missile.

00:47:00.100 China launched a hypersonic missile that traveled around the globe and missed its target by 25 miles.

00:47:05.840 How significant is the Chinese clear and advanced development of hypersonic missiles over both the United States and its ally, Russia?

00:47:24.680 Well, I don't think that they're more advanced than Russia in this regard.

00:47:28.660 They, in fact, used Russian technology to achieve this new fractional orbital bombardment system,

00:47:35.420 which was a combination of a ballistically launched system going into low Earth orbit

00:47:39.860 and then having the skipping capability of the hypersonics going in and out of space

00:47:47.160 and then down into a maneuverable atmospheric target acquisition mode.

00:47:51.880 That technology was developed by the Soviets in the 1960s and was deployed until the mid-1970s.

00:48:02.880 The U.S. chose not to match it, although it had similar technology at the time

00:48:07.160 because it was literally a scary circumstance.

00:48:12.520 There was no guarantees of, if you like, a balance being achieved.

00:48:17.360 And the Soviets, for financial reasons, had to abandon that by about 1975.

00:48:22.040 So the technology has been there for some time.

00:48:25.340 The new hypersonic technology, particularly for air-breathing hypersonics,

00:48:30.260 was being developed in the University of Queensland in Australia.

00:48:34.580 The Australians offered that technology to the U.S. and were rebuffed some years ago.

00:48:40.420 But it was coming out of the University of Queensland.

00:48:43.920 And guess where the biggest concentration of Chinese students in Australia has been for decades?

00:48:50.300 That's been in the University of Queensland.

00:48:52.600 So the Chinese have been very assiduous in developing their space weapons and their hypersonics. 0.94

00:49:00.320 The U.S. is starting to catch up.

00:49:01.840 And frankly, the only saving grace in all of this is that the U.S. has a better ability to fight wars in a proven sense than does the PRC.

00:49:13.640 The PLA really is very, very theoretical and hasn't fought a major war since the Vietnam failure in the 70s, 80s.

00:49:26.600 So that's quite an interesting situation.

00:49:29.620 But what the PRC is trying to do is to stop the United States from building countermeasures.

00:49:37.840 It's trying to stop the U.S. from spending money on weapons which would leapfrog the PRC weapons.

00:49:45.160 And how is it doing that?

00:49:46.480 What it does is it's trying to force the U.S. to go ahead and modernize all of its old ICBM nuclear fleet of missiles.

00:49:57.480 This is 20th century technology.

00:50:00.220 You know, nuclear weapons in many respects are so 20th century.

00:50:04.900 So what does the PRC do?

00:50:07.060 Knowing that it's got these new weapons, both cyber and hypersonic, it's building all of these new missile silo fields for ICBMs up in northwestern China in the outback.

00:50:18.800 And these missile fields are very obvious from satellite reconnaissance.

00:50:24.280 And it looks like they've got the silos very close together, which means that they are vulnerable to a first strike from the United States because the silos are so close together that you can take out several at once.

00:50:36.200 So this makes the U.S. feel, well, we've got to we've got to counter this.

00:50:40.820 But the reality is that the PRC is not going to suspend its limited funds on more ICBMs, knowing that ICBMs are the easiest things in the strategic arsenal to knock out with countermeasures, particularly space based countermeasures.

00:50:59.940 That's what the strategic defense initiative by Reagan was all about.

00:51:04.020 You hit the missiles as they go up into space and before they they drop down with their warheads.

00:51:11.400 Now, I think we have to say that's the theory.

00:51:15.520 It's the plan.

00:51:18.100 It's still is available.

00:51:20.100 And it's still very hard for me to believe that it's as effective as is ballyhooed.

00:51:27.000 I'll put it that way.

00:51:30.100 Edward Teller was a very smart man and one of the smartest people I've ever met.

00:51:36.020 He what he helped create is impressive to this day.

00:51:41.820 And you talked about such 20th century technology.

00:51:44.920 When you talk about those warheads, that's a very blunt instrument in applying to nuclear war, particularly with Russia or China.

00:52:00.560 We are still in mutually assured destruction, no matter what and how clever we think our new doctrine is.

00:52:07.900 Am I wrong?

00:52:08.560 The reality is that the U.S. does not have a doctrine and there is no mutually assured destruction understanding either with the Russians or and particularly with the PRC.

00:52:20.860 So this is why this new fractional orbital bombardment system of the Communist Party of China is so important, 0.76

00:52:28.600 because it means that it's back to free form offensive warfare and the U.S. needs to spend its money on countermeasures to these new weapons.

00:52:42.080 And then once you've got those countermeasures in place, then you look for the leapfrogging technology for the next generation of weapons.

00:52:49.320 And the United States is not yet doing that.

00:52:51.460 And what you've got with the massive inflation in the United States already underway is that the power of the defense budget is declining daily,

00:53:02.240 especially as the Biden administration wants to cap that defense spending.

00:53:06.520 So if you have a limited defense budget and then you pour $1.2 trillion into nuclear weapons modernization,

00:53:16.600 another $100 to $200 billion into the creation of a manned long-range bomber, the B-21 Raider,

00:53:25.120 you have a real handicap in putting money into the right areas of defense technology,

00:53:35.480 national security technology for the United States.

00:53:38.040 So the U.S. really needs to be absolutely sure that it has the countermeasures in place for ICBMs.

00:53:45.040 And it also needs to know that it's got to look at ways of stopping the PRC where ICBMs don't do the trick 0.99

00:53:55.140 because the PRC is not deterred by U.S. ICBMs.

00:53:59.020 Do you know what scares me in what you're saying?

00:54:02.100 What you're really saying is that over the course of the past half century,

00:54:05.940 in which ICBMs have been the primary sword and in some senses shield in our nuclear arsenal,

00:54:15.800 that we have not developed a successful countermeasure to even that old Minuteman technology

00:54:24.140 upon which we still rely in our triad of nuclear weapons.

00:54:31.100 Am I misunderstanding?

00:54:34.580 No, no, you nailed it.

00:54:38.960 And the reality is that Dr. Stefan Perssoni, who with Teller,

00:54:44.820 really came up with the whole concept of the Strategic Defense Initiative.

00:54:49.100 They had it ready.

00:54:50.360 Reagan knew it would work.

00:54:52.200 The Soviets spent their last nickel stopping that effort.

00:54:57.160 And, of course, the Cold War ended with the collapse of the Soviet Union.

00:54:59.680 And so George H.W. Bush breathed a sigh of relief and said we could now spend the peace dividend

00:55:05.220 and stopped all work on this.

00:55:08.680 But the reality is that buying, if you like, a modernization of the nuclear force for $1.2 trillion,

00:55:17.460 and that's literally going to be a fraction of what it's going to cost,

00:55:20.020 that's like putting in an order for new battleships on December the 8th, 1941.

00:55:27.400 And we know, speaking of battleships, that our newest class of carriers represented by the first of the class,

00:55:42.720 the Gerald R. Ford, is 15 years later still not seaworthy, battle-ready, and a proven ship for the line.

00:55:53.660 It's been a stunning failure.

00:55:57.140 And we're not seeing anything, if you will, better emanating from Annapolis and from the Pentagon.

00:56:06.660 It's a difficult time for the U.S. Navy.

00:56:10.260 It is a difficult time for the general staff that has yet to prove that it could win a war since 1991.

00:56:20.420 Gregory, I have enjoyed talking with you.

00:56:22.840 You have alarmed me.

00:56:25.500 You have also reassured me.

00:56:27.640 I hope you'll come back soon and scare us some more about our national security

00:56:32.640 and the global situation that in various places is mounting flashpoints of crisis.

00:56:44.200 Gregory, thank you again.

00:56:45.420 Gregory Copley, president of the International Strategic Studies Association in Washington, D.C.

00:56:51.880 Gregory, again, our thanks.

00:56:55.240 Join us again tomorrow for the Great America Podcast.

00:56:58.420 Stay in the fight.

00:56:59.400 Truth, justice, and the American way will prevail against all enemies, against all odds.

00:57:04.800 Thanks,kell-

00:57:20.280 Johnny.

00:57:20.540 Join us again tomorrow for the great secrets.

00:57:25.100 Just see if we kan需要 ourselves out of the front, smile on the other side.

The Great America Show - November 18, 2021

Xi Jinping is everything Joe Biden wants to be

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