The Joe Rogan Experience - #1757 - Dr. Robert Malone, MD

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00:00:14.000 So, first of all, thanks for coming and very nice talk.

00:00:19.000 Thanks.

00:00:20.000 Christmas present.

00:00:22.000 Actually, Ryan Cole is the one that first got these, and my wife has been jealous ever since. 0.94

00:00:27.000 So, this is what I got for you.

00:00:28.000 Where does one get a COVID tie?

00:00:30.000 I don't know.

00:00:30.000 She looked it up on Amazon or someplace and found it.

00:00:34.000 You got to love how industrious some of these folks are.

00:00:36.000 They just, you know, they find a niche.

00:00:39.000 Like, I know what I'm going to sell.

00:00:41.000 COVID ties.

00:00:42.000 And there you go.

00:00:43.000 I got to have a tux for an event that's coming up in Texas in a couple of months.

00:00:47.000 And so my wife is writing to the guy that does the ties to see if he can make a bow tie that's got the virus on it.

00:00:55.000 Are you, I mean, are you tired of this?

00:00:59.000 Tired.

00:01:00.000 Dealing with this?

00:01:01.000 Do you feel a duty to talk about this?

00:01:03.000 Like, we should just say, because historically, we should just state what's happening here.

00:01:09.000 So today is the 20, no, the 30th of December, and yesterday you were kicked off Twitter, correct?

00:01:16.000 True.

00:01:17.000 We scheduled this in advance.

00:01:19.000 It's just coincidentally that you were kicked off Twitter.

00:01:23.000 What were you kicked off?

00:01:24.000 First of all, before we even do this, please tell everybody what your history is and what your degrees are and what you do.

00:01:32.000 Okay, so I'm going to do the short version.

00:01:34.000 Okay.

00:01:35.000 So this can last for an hour if we go into the whole history of mRNA vaccines and all that kind of stuff.

00:01:42.000 My history.

00:01:46.000 I was originally a carpenter and a farmhand in the central coast of California and decided that I wanted to go back to school and did two years of computer science and then decided that I didn't want to spend the rest of my life looking at a computer monitor in a basement.

00:02:02.000 Bad decision.

00:02:03.000 And decided that I wanted to try to become an MD, which was a hard thing to try to do in the late 70s.

00:02:10.000 So that was a real stretch objective.

00:02:13.000 Went to UC Davis after two years of undergrad at San Barbara City College and wanted to work on this new tech space called molecular biology, and in particular on cancer.

00:02:28.000 My mother was deathly afraid of breast cancer. 1.00

00:02:32.000 And so I looked around and found a laboratory at UC Davis with a guy named Bob Cardiff and another guy named Murray Gardner that were working with retroviruses and their links to breast cancer.

00:02:45.000 And it just happened that while I was in there, this is circa 83, 84, this whole thing cut loose in San Francisco with the immunodeficiency syndrome in men.

00:03:01.000 And the lab ended up right at the forefront of that.

00:03:05.000 You know, Davis is just down the street, basically, from San Francisco.

00:03:09.000 And at the Davis Primate Center, they had discovered that there were monkeys that had immunodeficiency.

00:03:16.000 And so I was there in the lab as an undergraduate, as a total bench rat, when Preston Marks and Murray Gardner and others made the first discovery of a retrovirus basis for immunodeficiency in primates.

00:03:29.000 And then Murray went to the pasteur, brought back the virus literally in his pocket.

00:03:36.000 He went there with Bob Gallo, met with a guy named Luc Montagnier that you may know.

00:03:40.000 And that kind of kicked off the whole vaccine effort for AIDS.

00:03:46.000 So that's kind of what I cut my teeth on.

00:03:50.000 And so I came out of that.

00:03:55.000 It was really bold to think that I could get into medical school.

00:04:00.000 And I kind of overshot the mark.

00:04:02.000 I got an MD-PhD scholarship at Northwestern University in Chicago.

00:04:07.000 And so I went from having grown up in Santa Barbara with my wife, we were high school sweethearts, to Chicago.

00:04:14.000 And that was kind of an abrupt transition.

00:04:18.000 So we decided I would do my graduate work at San Diego.

00:04:25.000 And I'd been accepted into a program at UC San Diego that had two of the top gene therapy specialists.

00:04:32.000 I really wanted to do gene therapy with retroviruses.

00:04:35.000 That was what I thought was going to be my life.

00:04:38.000 And so we moved down to San Diego, and I started working in the laboratory of Inderverma, which is in the molecular biology and virology labs at the Salk Institute.

00:04:48.000 And this is a place where graduate students normally aren't allowed to go.

00:04:54.000 There was seven Nobel laureates at the time, plus Jonas, a really intense competitive environment.

00:05:01.000 Carved out a little niche that I was going to work on for my graduate work, which was asking questions about how retrovirus RNA is packaged.

00:05:10.000 And from that, I had to develop a series of technologies to manufacture RNA and structure it and eventually put it into cells.

00:05:22.000 And that, through a cascade of events, being at the right place at the right time, asking the right questions, surrounded by geniuses, led to the series of discoveries that now forms the basis of the RNA technology platform that gives rise to these vaccines.

00:05:40.000 And 10 issued patents.

00:05:43.000 They were all filed in 89.

00:05:46.000 So that's kind of my origin story that it relates to this virus and vaccine and this.

00:05:51.000 But since then, I went on, finished my MD, did two fellowships at UC Davis, taught pathology for years, set up a gene therapy lab, had many other discoveries, came out to the East Coast, created the technology platform that is now the basis of the company called Inovio.

00:06:13.000 We actually originally founded Inovio in the United States.

00:06:17.000 This is Pulsed Electrical Fields.

00:06:18.000 They have one of the DNA vaccines for COVID.

00:06:24.000 Then the planes hit the towers, the investors pulled back, and I went to work for a company called Dineport Vaccine Company that had the prime systems contract, as governments speak, for all the biodefense products for the Department of Defense for advanced development, which is to say, clinical trials through licensure.

00:06:42.000 And that's my kind of transition from being an academic to focusing on actually making things that work in people.

00:06:50.000 And the big epiphany there was that the world is full of these academic thought leaders that publish in big journals and stuff, but that doesn't really lead to products.

00:07:00.000 And I really wanted to make products that would help people.

00:07:04.000 And so since then, for the last, I guess it's about 20 years, I've been focused on actually doing stuff, regulatory affairs, clinical development, getting the necessary training, etc.

00:07:16.000 Completed a fellowship at Harvard University Medical School as a global clinical scholar to round out my CV.

00:07:25.000 And I've run over 100 clinical trials, mostly in the vaccine space, but also in drug repurposing.

00:07:37.000 I've been involved in every major outbreak since AIDS.

00:07:41.000 This is kind of what I do.

00:07:43.000 I've won literally billions of dollars in federal grants and contracts.

00:07:48.000 I'm often brought in by NIH to serve as study section chair for awarding $80 to $120 million contracts in vaccines and biodefense.

00:08:00.000 I've spent countless hours at the CDC, at the ACIP meetings.

00:08:06.000 I have multiple friends at the CDC.

00:08:09.000 I work closely with Defense Threat Reduction Agency, and it's one of my favorite clients, partners, teaming partners.

00:08:18.000 And I work with the Chem Biodefense Group.

00:08:20.000 There's other branches, including the other, this is not the branch that funded the Wuhan Labs.

00:08:26.000 That's another branch of DITRA.

00:08:29.000 I've got many friends in the intelligence community.

00:08:32.000 So I'm kind of a pretty deep insider in terms of the government.

00:08:36.000 I know Tony Fauci personally.

00:08:38.000 I've dealt with him my whole career.

00:08:44.000 And then we had this particular outbreak.

00:08:46.000 And I was tip of the spear on bringing the Ebola vaccine forward that we now call the Merck Ebola vaccine.

00:08:54.000 I'm the one that got Merck involved.

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00:14:11.000 Now, when the pandemic broke out, previous to that, I mean, you're kind of thought of as a heretic now in some strange way.

00:14:18.000 Pariah.

00:14:19.000 Yeah, pariah is probably a better word. 0.88

00:14:21.000 And the fact that you've been banned from Twitter is very confusing because I've been following your tweets and I've been reading all the things that you've written and I don't understand how it justifies a ban.

00:14:36.000 And I don't know what was the particular tweet.

00:14:40.000 Did they tell you what the particular tweet was or what the offense was?

00:14:43.000 They never tell you.

00:14:44.000 They never told you.

00:14:45.000 Well, they never tell anybody.

00:14:46.000 They removed you for not going along with whatever the tech narrative is, because tech clearly has a censorship agenda when it comes to COVID, in terms of treatment, in terms of whether or not you are promoting what they would call vaccine hesitancy.

00:15:05.000 They can ban you for that. 0.95

00:15:06.000 They can ban you for, in their eyes, what they think is a justifiable offense.

00:15:11.000 And they're doing this.

00:15:13.000 And I don't know who these people are that are doing this, but they're doing this.

00:15:17.000 One of the most important things about you reading out your history like that is to one of the most qualified people in the world to talk about vaccines.

00:15:25.000 I think that that's...

00:15:25.000 Thank you for that.

00:15:42.000 And the point is made, just what you just made.

00:15:48.000 So the point that I think is kind of succinct on this is if my voice, if there's no merit to my voice being in the conversation, whether it's true or not, whether I'm factually correct or not, let's park that just for a minute.

00:16:06.000 Whether or not I'm right in everything I say, and I freely admit no one's perfect.

00:16:10.000 I'm not perfect.

00:16:12.000 That's one of my core points, is people should think for themselves.

00:16:16.000 I try really hard to give people the information and help them to think, not to tell them what to think.

00:16:26.000 But the point is, if it's not okay for me to be part of the conversation, even though I'm pointing out scientific facts that may be inconvenient, then who can be allowed?

00:16:43.000 And whether you're in the camp that says I'm a liar and I didn't invent this technology despite the patents, when there's a whole cohort of that, no one can dispute that I played a major role in the creation of this tech.

00:16:58.000 And virtually all other voices that have that background have conflicts of interest, financial conflicts of interest.

00:17:05.000 I think I'm the only one that doesn't.

00:17:06.000 I'm not getting any money out of this.

00:17:09.000 So I think that it starts to touch on some fundamental constitutional principles about rights of free speech.

00:17:16.000 I suspect that's kind of where you're going on that.

00:17:19.000 Well, most certainly, but also how disturbing it is for someone who's not an academic like myself to watch people like you get silenced and silenced in this platform of social media where people are exchanging information,

00:17:34.000 they're posting up studies, and you're discussing different parts of this pandemic that are in the news and what the issues may lie in and where your background and your expertise allows you to explain this in a way that maybe it's not being explained because of the narrative that's being discussed in the mainstream news.

00:17:55.000 And to watch you get silenced, first of all, to watch you get ostracized.

00:18:00.000 I've seen that.

00:18:01.000 I've seen people distance themselves from you.

00:18:03.000 I've seen people call you a crazy person and criticize you, but with no specific thing to point to.

00:18:10.000 It became like a tag they put on you.

00:18:12.000 Like, oh, that guy.

00:18:13.000 Like, I brought you up to someone, and he goes, oh, that guy's crazy.

00:18:17.000 I go, how so?

00:18:18.000 There was no answer.

00:18:20.000 It's like, okay, so this is a thing you're going to just say someone's crazy when they say something that's inconvenient or say something that makes you uncomfortable because you've decided to accept a certain narrative.

00:18:20.000 Yes.

00:18:30.000 Did Twitter warn you?

00:18:32.000 No.

00:18:33.000 Was there any tweets where they said that this is misleading or anything?

00:18:37.000 No.

00:18:38.000 No.

00:18:38.000 They never do.

00:18:39.000 Do you have any idea what the final tweet was or what the context was?

00:18:44.000 I think I do, and there's no way to confirm it until the lawyers do their lawyering.

00:18:49.000 Now, I did have, in the case of when I was banned from LinkedIn, you remember this happened.

00:18:54.000 I wasn't aware of that.

00:18:55.000 Yeah, I was deplatformed from LinkedIn many months ago.

00:18:58.000 And it was, there was actually two events of deplatforming in LinkedIn.

00:19:05.000 And in both cases, I was able to get an explanation for what the specific crimes were, the thought crimes.

00:19:12.000 And in the first one, it was a LinkedIn posting in which I pointed out that the chairman of the board of Thomson Reuters also sits on the board of Pfizer.

00:19:27.000 And I simply wrote, Does this look like a conflict of interest to you?

00:19:33.000 And this gets to your core question about tech.

00:19:37.000 It's not tech, it's the horizontal integration across all major industries now under the control of common funds.

00:19:47.000 All of these industries, the harmonization of the tech censorship, the interests of pharma, big media, et cetera, and governments, all being harmonized in their messaging globally.

00:20:00.000 I mean, I travel a lot.

00:20:01.000 I see the same, and I have physicians coming to me all the time about what they're experiencing.

00:20:07.000 The same playbook is going on every continent.

00:20:11.000 But getting back to LinkedIn, so this is the first event, and Steve Kirsch intervened, called up a vice president of LinkedIn.

00:20:21.000 And Steve Kirsch is a tech guy, right?

00:20:24.000 He's a Silicon Valley entrepreneur who you may or may not recall that I was on the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast with Steve that kind of lit this whole fire up months and months ago.

00:20:24.000 Yeah, he is.

00:20:36.000 That's right.

00:20:36.000 Okay, that's where I first saw him.

00:20:38.000 Yeah, okay.

00:20:39.000 So he has great network connections in Silicon Valley.

00:20:43.000 He invented the optical mouse.

00:20:46.000 And so he called this vice president of LinkedIn.

00:20:50.000 The guy looked into it.

00:20:52.000 Meanwhile, people started dropping off of LinkedIn in protest.

00:20:57.000 And there was major press articles all over the world.

00:21:00.000 And then they reinstated me, and I actually got a very kind letter.

00:21:06.000 This is unprecedented, personal letter from this vice president, apologizing and saying specifically that they didn't have the talent to fact check me.

00:21:16.000 And then therefore they were going to let me go.

00:21:19.000 Now then, subsequently, I got dropped again, and a phone call was made, and they got put on.

00:21:26.000 In that case, the sin was that one of their fact-checkers, because remember this is Microsoft, one of their fact-checkers had identified the Atlantic Monthly article, attack article that was written about me and concluded that I was an anti-vaxxer and therefore I should not be allowed on LinkedIn.

00:21:44.000 Now the context for that that's fascinating is that Atlantic Monthly attack article that is often cited by my detractors.

00:21:52.000 And it's a fascinating read.

00:21:55.000 We could go down that rabbit hole, but no reason.

00:21:58.000 It was written a few days after Peter Navarro and I came out with an op-ed in the Washington Times in which we criticized the Biden policy on vaccines and said that they should be reserved for those that need them most and not used universally.

00:22:14.000 And we said some other things about the need of testing and tools so that people can assess their true risk.

00:22:21.000 It was a political retaliation intended to take me off the map as I was starting to interact more of in a public policy sphere.

00:22:29.000 Now with this Twitter event, my wife and I have racked our brains about what is likely to have been the tweet that triggered this.

00:22:42.000 And you never know.

00:22:44.000 The last two that I can think of that went out was one that was in our substack in which we referred to a fantastic video that has been put out by the Canadian COVID Care Alliance Group that summarizes all the malfeasance and data manipulation and misinterpretation associated with the Pfizer vaccines and their clinical trials.

00:23:07.000 It's a super video.

00:23:09.000 And of course, I guess that is interpreted as something that would cause people to become vaccine hesitant.

00:23:18.000 That's the sin in general, is saying things that cause people to become vaccine hesitant.

00:23:24.000 The other thing that I put out immediately before that was a post, a link to a website for the World Economic Forum that lays out their entire strategy for how they manage media, how they're managing COVID-19, and all of their core messaging.

00:23:44.000 It's a fascinating website with links.

00:23:47.000 Those are the only two things I can think of that would meet the criteria.

00:23:53.000 So, you know, my position all the way through this comes off of the platform of bioethics and the importance of informed consent.

00:24:02.000 So my position is that people should have the freedom of choice, particularly for their children, and that in order to appropriately choose to participate in a medical experiment, they have to be fully informed of the risks as well as the benefits.

00:24:21.000 And so I've tried really hard to make sure that people have access to the information about those risks and potential benefits, the true unfiltered academic papers and raw data, etc.

00:24:34.000 And the policy that's being implemented is one in which no discussion of the risks are allowed because by definition they will elicit vaccine hesitance.

00:24:47.000 So it can't be discussed.

00:24:49.000 But that's the fundamental background.

00:24:51.000 That's the backbone of informed consent.

00:24:54.000 So informed consent is not only not happening, it's being actively blocked.

00:24:59.000 Does that make sense?

00:25:00.000 It does make sense, and it's unprecedented.

00:25:02.000 I mean, I can't recall a time ever where people weren't able to discuss the side effects of medication, whether or not the studies are accurate, whether or not people should universally take these things, or whether it should be done on a person-by-person basis.

00:25:20.000 It's a very strange time.

00:25:22.000 And so when someone who's an expert like yourself has a dissenting opinion and you see that dissenting opinion immediately silenced or at least immediately criticized and then these attempts at silencing, it just signifies how confusing and how troubled the times we're in are.

00:25:43.000 When COVID first hit, when the lockdown started happening in March of 2020, what was your position on all this?

00:25:53.000 So you're kind of asking my origin story with COVID.

00:25:57.000 Yes.

00:25:58.000 I mean, were you initially, Have you taken the COVID vaccine?

00:26:03.000 So the answer is yes.

00:26:04.000 I've also been infected twice.

00:26:06.000 After you took it?

00:26:08.000 Once before.

00:26:08.000 I was infected at the end of February because I was attending a MIT conference on drug discovery and artificial intelligence.

00:26:16.000 So this is pre-lockdown?

00:26:18.000 February of 20?

00:26:20.000 But it goes back further than that.

00:26:22.000 There's a CIA agent that I've co-published with in the past named Michael Callahan.

00:26:27.000 He was in Wuhan in the fourth quarter of 2019.

00:26:31.000 He called me from Wuhan on January 4th.

00:26:34.000 I was currently managing a team that was focusing on drug discovery for organophosphate poisoning, ergonerve agents, for DITRA, Defense Threat Reduction Agency, involving high-performing computing and biorobot screening, high-end stuff.

00:26:55.000 And he told me, Robert, you've got to get your team spun up because we've got a problem with this new virus.

00:26:59.000 I worked with him through prior outbreaks.

00:27:03.000 And so it was then that I turned my attention to this, started modeling a key protein, a protease inhibitor of this virus when the sequence was released on January 11th as the Wuhan Seafood Market Virus.

00:27:21.000 And I've been pretty much going non-stop ever since to that point with drug repurposing.

00:27:29.000 So I'm the one that originally discovered famatidine as an agent because I was self-treating myself after I got infected with agents that we'd identified through the computer modeling.

00:27:43.000 So February of 2020, you get infected, and how bad is your case?

00:27:49.000 Bad.

00:27:49.000 I thought I was going to die.

00:27:51.000 You've got to remember, I was up, up, up on all the latest information from China and everywhere else.

00:27:58.000 I knew all about this virus.

00:28:00.000 I knew, you know, I've been watching the videos of people dropping in the street.

00:28:05.000 My lungs were burning until I took fumatidine and that relieved that.

00:28:10.000 And what is fumatidine?

00:28:11.000 It's otherwise known as Pepsid.

00:28:14.000 So just to, on this tangent, since I've said it, I've got some good news to announce.

00:28:20.000 First time here.

00:28:22.000 Today, we believe we should have the first patient enrolled in our clinical trials of the combination of fumatidine and silicoxid for treating SARS-CoV-2.

00:28:33.000 This is trials being run by the company Leidos, which is one of my clients, that I've helped design.

00:28:38.000 It's based on my discoveries.

00:28:40.000 They're funded by Defense Threat Reduction Agency.

00:28:43.000 So this is another drug combination.

00:28:45.000 Now, I work with all these folks like Peter and Pierre that I know you know.

00:28:50.000 Peter McCullough, Pierre Corey.

00:28:53.000 But I haven't pushed this drug combination.

00:28:55.000 I've just felt it was inappropriate until we got the trials running.

00:28:59.000 But they're now open, and we've passed through the FDA screening process.

00:29:04.000 By the way, we tried to get, we had data showing that adding ivermectin further improved the combination.

00:29:12.000 But the FDA created such enormous roadblocks to us doing an ivermectin arm that we had to drop it.

00:29:19.000 And by we, what I'm saying is the FDA created so much grief that the DOD decided the juice wasn't worth the squeeze, and they just dropped that arm.

00:29:30.000 Why do you think that is?

00:29:31.000 What do you think is going on with the pushback on ivermectin?

00:29:36.000 So it's not just ivermectin, it's hydroxychloroquine.

00:29:38.000 And just to put a marker on that, there's good modeling studies that probably half a million excess deaths have happened in the United States through the intentional blockade of early treatment by the U.S. government.

00:29:53.000 That's half a million.

00:29:54.000 That is a well-documented number.

00:29:57.000 And it's a combination of hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

00:30:00.000 Now, when you ask me why, you're asking me to get into somebody's head.

00:30:04.000 What I can say as a scientist is what I observe.

00:30:08.000 The behaviors, the actions, the correspondence, these bizarre things like, you know, don't you know it's a horse drug, y'all, right?

00:30:17.000 Which is amazingly pejorative.

00:30:19.000 I live in Virginia, okay?

00:30:20.000 I can tell you the people around me, I live in a rural county and I raise horses.

00:30:24.000 That was deeply offensive to use that language in that way.

00:30:30.000 But there's clearly been an intentional push.

00:30:34.000 And Zev Zelenko, who's a buddy, the guy that came out with the original protocol, the Zlenko protocol, and was the one, by the way, that wrote the letter to Trump advocating for hydroxychloroquine.

00:30:50.000 Okay, kind of important to put that together.

00:30:53.000 He's put together a great little video clip in which he clearly documents the conspiracy between Janet Woodcock and Rick Bright to make it so that physicians could not administer hydroxychloroquine outside of the hospital.

00:31:10.000 And who is Janet Woodcock and who's Rick Bright?

00:31:13.000 Rick Bright was the head of BARDA, the Biomedical Advanced Research Director, which is the group that, for instance, funded the JNJ vaccine and Operation Warp Speed, etc.

00:31:23.000 So they're the big ticket funder in health and human service of biodefense products.

00:31:29.000 Janet Woodcock was head of Operation Warp Speed for Drugs and until very recently head of the FDA.

00:31:29.000 And who is she?

00:31:37.000 She is known as the person who kind of gets the credit, let's say, for the opioid crisis, for her role at the FDA.

00:31:48.000 So between the two of them, there was some sort of a concerted effort to suppress the use of hydroxychloroquine?

00:31:55.000 Rick Bright, in videotaped testimony, has explicitly spoken about how they conspired to cook a strategy using emergency use authorization to make it so that hydroxychloroquine could only be administered in the hospital, which, by the way, is too late for when hydroxy should be used.

00:32:16.000 And why did they do that?

00:32:18.000 That is what is the unknown.

00:32:20.000 And there are so many whys and hows behind this.

00:32:24.000 I like to say there's a stack of stuff that doesn't make sense.

00:32:27.000 It's about this high.

00:32:29.000 Now, There is, I can't prove, I can't get into Rick's head.

00:32:33.000 I know Rick quite well.

00:32:36.000 I don't know what, he's currently working for the Rockefeller.

00:32:40.000 He did a whistleblower case and then he left the government.

00:32:44.000 But all I know is they did this, and Rick admits on videotape that he did it.

00:32:53.000 And he states that the reason was, is that he believed there was no evidence of hydroxychloroquine being useful for this virus.

00:33:04.000 Now, that's false.

00:33:06.000 Hydroxychloroquine was known to be effective against SARS-1.

00:33:10.000 That wasn't that regular chloroquine?

00:33:13.000 Hydroxy.

00:33:14.000 Hydroxy and chloroquine are closely related molecules.

00:33:17.000 Hydroxy is slightly less toxic.

00:33:20.000 By the way, one of the nice things, we had actually filed, during Zika, I did a lot of drug repurposing.

00:33:25.000 And I filed patents on the use of hydroxy in Zika.

00:33:29.000 One of the reasons is because hydroxy is one of the few molecules that have antiviral activity that are safe in pregnancy.

00:33:37.000 And you remember, Zika was a pregnancy issue.

00:33:39.000 So hydroxy has been out there for a long time as having antiviral effects.

00:33:45.000 And the other part of Rick's story that kind of doesn't make sense, that there was no data on efficacy, is that I was the guy that first acquired, because I had Chinese connections, the Chinese protocol for treating this virus.

00:34:01.000 I got it in late February, and I sent it into my buddies at the CIA and at the ASPER at the Assistant Secretary for Preparedness and Response.

00:34:10.000 So the government had those documents when Rick Bright made those determinations.

00:34:14.000 So the assertion that there was no data on hydroxychloroquine at the time when this decision was made is just patently false.

00:34:22.000 It's there.

00:34:23.000 So what is the motivation?

00:34:25.000 You're right.

00:34:26.000 None of this makes sense.

00:34:28.000 The only thing, you know, this is a journalist problem.

00:34:34.000 And, you know, the classic guidance is follow the money.

00:34:38.000 Yeah.

00:34:39.000 And so it is bizarre that Merck would come out with these explicit statements about the safety of ivermectin.

00:34:53.000 Both ivermectin and hydroxy are on the WHO list of essential medicines.

00:34:59.000 They have been administered for millions and millions of doses.

00:35:02.000 They're among the safest medicines we know when administered within this acceptable window, pharmaceutical window.

00:35:10.000 The ivermectin is even safer than hydroxy.

00:35:14.000 So Merck coming out out of the blue and saying ivermectin isn't safe is really inexplicable.

00:35:21.000 Now another thing is that I sit on the active committee for drugs as an observer.

00:35:27.000 What is the active committee?

00:35:28.000 This is the NIH committee that's guiding the clinical trials for these various repurposed and novel drugs.

00:35:37.000 I saw, listened to, heard, witnessed the representative of Merck that's on the committee, because the committee is full of pharmaceutical representatives, even though it's an NIH public committee, explicitly attack the decision for the federal government to test ivermectin.

00:36:01.000 She said there's no reason to do this.

00:36:03.000 Now, what's happened since then is ActiveSticks is still testing ivermectin, and they've had to go to a higher dose because, as we pointed out, essentially their initial trial design was designed to fail.

00:36:16.000 It was a short course with inadequate levels of drug.

00:36:20.000 And so now they've upped it to, I think it's five days and 600 micrograms per kg.

00:36:25.000 That's the current dosing in Active Six.

00:36:28.000 But there is clearly a concerted effort on the part of multiple players in the pharmaceutical industry in concordance with the federal government to kill ivermectin as a potential alternative early treatment strategy.

00:36:42.000 And if you're going to follow the money, the problem is there's not a lot in ivermectin because it is a generic drug and any compound pharmacy can make it and it's fairly cheap.

00:36:52.000 It's fairly cheap because it's easy to make.

00:36:54.000 And, you know, you can get ivermectin in bulk at less than a penny a dose.

00:37:03.000 Wow.

00:37:03.000 So the original SARS is it 90% similar to SARS-CoV-2?

00:37:12.000 Those terms, 90 or 96 or 98, those are really not, they're kind of irrelevant.

00:37:24.000 You know, you can have something that's 99.9% similar, and the difference is all the difference.

00:37:31.000 But if chloroquine worked on the original SARS or it showed efficacy in original SARS, is it safe to assume, like without adequate tests, that hydroxychloroquine would work on it's the decision that was made by the Chinese government.

00:37:45.000 Okay, that's my point.

00:37:46.000 I got the original Chinese protocols.

00:37:48.000 This is what they were using.

00:37:49.000 And they were using it effectively?

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:52.000 So were they using ivermectin as well?

00:37:54.000 No.

00:37:55.000 No, but other countries have, like Japan and India and...

00:38:05.000 Could you explain what they did to do that?

00:38:06.000 Because it's kind of fascinating.

00:38:08.000 It's not clear what are the drugs.

00:38:11.000 So what they did do, what we do know, and there's some backstory to this that we could go into if you want to.

00:38:18.000 But the observation is there was a decision made.

00:38:21.000 The virus was just ripping through Uttar Pradesh.

00:38:24.000 It has almost the same population as the United States.

00:38:26.000 It's huge, okay?

00:38:28.000 Dense, urban, poor, all the characteristics of the stereotypes of the Indian countryside.

00:38:35.000 And the virus was just ripping through there and causing all kinds of death and disease.

00:38:40.000 And the decision was made out of desperation in that province to deploy early treatments as packages widely throughout the province.

00:38:51.000 And it included a number of agents.

00:38:53.000 The composition has not been formally disclosed.

00:38:58.000 It was done in coordination With WHO, and whatever was in those packages was rumored to include ivermectin.

00:39:12.000 But there was a specific visit of Biden to Modi, and a decision was made in the Indian government not to disclose the contents of those packages that were being deployed in Uttar Pradesh, which they're still there.

00:39:29.000 And Uttar Pradesh is flatlined right now.

00:39:31.000 The rest of the world is yelling about Omicron and hospitalizations.

00:39:36.000 Well, South Africa isn't.

00:39:38.000 But Uttar Pradesh is still flatlined in terms of deaths.

00:39:41.000 So they were visited by someone in the Biden administration?

00:39:44.000 I just know there's a meeting between Joe Biden and Modi.

00:39:48.000 And you believe that out of that meeting?

00:39:51.000 I don't know what they said.

00:39:52.000 I wasn't invited.

00:39:54.000 All I know is that immediately afterwards, there was a decision not to disclose the contents of what was being deployed in Uttar Pradesh.

00:40:01.000 It's so crazy to imagine that in the middle of a pandemic, there's one place, one area of India that's extremely successful in combating the virus, and they're not going to say how they did it.

00:40:12.000 I mean, that's nuts.

00:40:14.000 You know, so that's where I kind of...

00:40:24.000 Here are the verifiable data.

00:40:26.000 Draw your own conclusion.

00:40:27.000 Okay.

00:40:28.000 Now, February of 2020, you catch it.

00:40:32.000 What did you take?

00:40:33.000 Fumatidine.

00:40:34.000 Fumatidine and anything else?

00:40:35.000 No, there's nothing else available.

00:40:37.000 So this was so early on in the pandemic.

00:40:40.000 Did you wind up being hospitalized?

00:40:41.000 Nope.

00:40:42.000 No.

00:40:44.000 I did develop long COVID.

00:40:47.000 And people always, I always get the, why did you take the vaccine?

00:40:51.000 Well, I took it fairly early on.

00:40:52.000 I took Moderna because that's what the National Guard was deploying in my very rural county in basically central northern Virginia.

00:41:01.000 Isn't there some evidence that the vaccine actually helps people with long COVID?

00:41:06.000 That was the rumor at the time.

00:41:11.000 I took it for two reasons.

00:41:12.000 I had long COVID.

00:41:14.000 It was supposed to help with that.

00:41:16.000 And I knew I was going to have to travel internationally to France and Portugal in the near future.

00:41:22.000 Now, is there any evidence that the vaccine helps against long COVID?

00:41:27.000 Anecdotally, is there anything?

00:41:29.000 Anecdotally, there was.

00:41:31.000 And I have not seen a peer-reviewed, solid publication or preprint that supports that now.

00:41:39.000 But that was the active rumor at the time.

00:41:43.000 And since then, what we do know for sure, well documented, if you've got prior COVID and natural immunity, you have a higher risk of adverse events from the jab.

00:41:58.000 Now, the other part of my story that often gets overlooked, so I took two doses of Moderna.

00:42:04.000 With the second dose, I developed stage 3 hypertension with systolic blood pressure of up to 230.

00:42:13.000 I'm lucky to be live.

00:42:15.000 What it means is I've had a stress test of my aorta and my cerebral vascular system, and I didn't have a stroke, and I didn't tear my aorta all to shreds.

00:42:24.000 But it's a good thing.

00:42:26.000 I had irregularities of heartbeat, incredible hypertension, POTS syndrome, narcolepsy, restless leg syndrome.

00:42:36.000 These are all known side effects that are associated with the vaccine.

00:42:41.000 They're relatively less frequent than the myocarditis in the children, in male children in particular, but they're all known on the list of adverse events.

00:42:52.000 And it's very clear that people that have natural immunity have a much higher risk factor for this whole spectrum of adverse events.

00:43:02.000 But if they get jabbed.

00:43:03.000 Even though that's known, there's so many people out there telling people who've just recovered from COVID to get vaccinated.

00:43:10.000 There is a number of things here that are not supported by the science, I'll say gently.

00:43:18.000 To be less gent, since we're on the Joe Rogan show, I can speak freely.

00:43:24.000 It's knucking futs.

00:43:26.000 This is just wrong.

00:43:27.000 It's not consistent with the data.

00:43:29.000 Well, it doesn't make sense either.

00:43:32.000 What we know about natural immunity is that natural immunity, at least according to that study in Israel, which is like, what, 2.5 million people, I think, they said that it's between 6 and 13 times more effective than the vaccine.

00:43:45.000 That is 6 or 13 times more effective in preventing hospitalized COVID.

00:43:52.000 It's more like 20 or 27.

00:43:55.000 Yeah, 27 fold better at protecting against developing the disease.

00:44:00.000 Remember, infection does not equal disease.

00:44:04.000 And that's only one of over 140 studies that document that natural immunity is superior to the vaccine-induced immunity.

00:44:13.000 And oh, by the way, as a vaccinologist and an immunologist, I wouldn't expect anything different.

00:44:18.000 But the CDC recently disputed this.

00:44:21.000 Didn't they?

00:44:23.000 It was a fascinating play.

00:44:26.000 So the CDC, for most of us that are at all objective in the science world, look at what's going on at the CDC aghast.

00:44:34.000 I mean, the CDC has just compromised now.

00:44:39.000 What they did with that was a very small study with intrinsic bias all over the place, much, much smaller than the Israeli study that you're citing, much less rigorous, less statistical power, and they pushed that out as their justification for their position concerning natural immunity.

00:45:04.000 And who funded that study?

00:45:06.000 CDC, it would be the federal government.

00:45:08.000 So they funded this study.

00:45:09.000 They did it themselves.

00:45:10.000 The CDC studies.

00:45:11.000 And do you believe they did it with the intent of coming to the conclusion?

00:45:16.000 You're asking me to apply intent, and I've had too much time with lawyers, and I'm not going to do it.

00:45:22.000 Good for you.

00:45:23.000 So either way, there's many, many, many studies that point to the fact that natural immunity is superior.

00:45:32.000 Absolutely.

00:45:32.000 Having recovered from COVID.

00:45:34.000 over 140.

00:45:36.000 And also, multiple studies that show that people who have had COVID, who get vaccinated after the fact, have a higher risk.

00:45:43.000 I think it's between two and fourfold, right?

00:45:45.000 You're on top of the data.

00:45:46.000 Two and fourfold risk of adverse side effects.

00:45:50.000 Increased risk.

00:45:51.000 Yeah, increased risk.

00:45:52.000 So for you, you did not know this when you got vaccinated.

00:45:57.000 What was your thoughts?

00:45:58.000 I mean, since this was a technology that you were a pivotal part of the creation of, and so you're getting this vaccine, you probably were thinking, look at this, all my hard work come to fruition.

00:46:12.000 It's going to protect me from the virus.

00:46:14.000 I actually said to the nurse when I took the first jab, I bragged a little bit.

00:46:19.000 I usually don't.

00:46:20.000 I'm usually, you know, keep it on the down low.

00:46:23.000 I don't like to wear it on my shoulder.

00:46:26.000 But I did say, you know, I invented this tech.

00:46:30.000 She was like, oh, that's really cool.

00:46:31.000 Can I take a selfie?

00:46:34.000 Did she aspirate before she shot it into you?

00:46:37.000 I have.

00:46:38.000 That whole aspiration thing.

00:46:41.000 Yeah, I'm sure she did.

00:46:42.000 Yeah?

00:46:43.000 Yeah, she's a well-trained nurse. 1.00

00:46:44.000 When you say that whole aspiration thing?

00:46:48.000 Any skilled medical practitioner, when I inject my horses, right, I breed loose a ton of horses.

00:46:55.000 I've got 20 on the farm.

00:46:56.000 I give them drugs all the time.

00:46:58.000 I always aspirate.

00:46:59.000 But I saw the shot where Joe Biden got it on TV and they didn't aspirate him.

00:47:06.000 I don't know what to say.

00:47:08.000 I'll tell you what to say.

00:47:12.000 Yeah.

00:47:12.000 So was that really a vaccine?

00:47:16.000 And then we go down that whole rabbit.

00:47:18.000 That's my favorite rabbit hole.

00:47:20.000 Because the fake set, remember?

00:47:21.000 Yeah.

00:47:22.000 So, you know, there is.

00:47:25.000 Okay, so you know, Joe.

00:47:27.000 You're in media.

00:47:28.000 I guess.

00:47:30.000 What we're experiencing is a coordinated media warfare, the level of which we have never seen before.

00:47:38.000 And I and my peers, who are experienced in multiple outbreaks, have never seen this level of coordinated propaganda.

00:47:47.000 Is this because there's never been an outbreak that coincided with the use of social media?

00:47:53.000 Because there really hasn't been.

00:47:54.000 I mean, H1N1 was, was it 2009 that that broke out?

00:47:59.000 I was pretty active through Zika.

00:48:01.000 But, okay, and that was...

00:48:08.000 The thing about what's going on now, there's a heightened aspect in terms of the influence on society that social media has that is stronger now than it was two years ago.

00:48:21.000 It's stronger two years ago than it was two years before.

00:48:25.000 It's ramping up exponentially in some sort of a strange way that's affecting society.

00:48:30.000 And then the censorship aspect of it, which has kicked in.

00:48:33.000 And as you said, they're stepping in line with tech, doing it with the pharmaceutical companies, doing it with the government.

00:48:42.000 They're all sort of on the same page when it comes to the messaging.

00:48:48.000 Yes, so now you're going to the next level of WTF.

00:48:53.000 Yeah.

00:48:56.000 And how to open that can of worms.

00:49:01.000 First off, you don't see...

00:49:07.000 Yes.

00:49:07.000 Can you explain it to people?

00:49:09.000 So the BBC announced to the world last fall that this organization that they had led the development of, which ties together big tech and big media in service of the government and was built expressly for the purpose of protecting the democratic voting system,

00:49:09.000 Yes.

00:49:37.000 you know, small D, the democracy and voting integrity from undue influence from hostile offshore players through media information campaigns, which you'll recall was the claim that was made against Russia.

00:49:56.000 And so this was the response of the Western nations to build this new structure called the Trusted News Initiative that would survey all information about elections and prevent the intrusion of foreign information into the democratic process and creation of undue influence by foreign actors.

00:50:23.000 Shortly after it was created, there was an awareness in the pharmaceutical industry that this could be used to address a particular devil challenge that they had, which was the pejorative label anti-vaxxers.

00:50:42.000 That's also been deployed against climate skeptics.

00:50:46.000 So anti-vaxxers, you'll recall, is the label that is used to basically take anybody out that is raising any concerns about vaccine safety.

00:50:59.000 It's the pejorative that's applied, and it makes it really easy for the media to basically take off the table anybody that's saying something that is contrary to the interests of really the vaccine industry.

00:51:14.000 So there was a decision that this same toolkit, this same integrated international media and high-tech organization led by the BBC, would be pivoted to resisting vaccine misinformation and disinformation.

00:51:35.000 And they put out a proud press announcement last fall that this is what they were going to do.

00:51:41.000 And they defined these things, misinformation and disinformation, as anything which was going to lead to vaccine hesitancy and which was contrary to the official statements of the World Health Organization or their respective national health organizations.

00:52:01.000 So if CDC says the world is flat, then the world is flat.

00:52:07.000 And there will be no discussion about whether or not the world is flat.

00:52:10.000 I'm using obviously a simplified, silly example.

00:52:16.000 So whatever the CDC or Tony Fauci or Tedros, etc., says is truth by definition.

00:52:25.000 And any information or discussion which is contrary to that truth will be suppressed.

00:52:31.000 It will be deleted.

00:52:33.000 And those people that are expressing these opinions that would lead to vaccine hesitancy, which to some eyes would be informed consent and decisions by an individual that they believe the risk-benefit ratio doesn't matter, doesn't make sense to them, that information will not be allowed, and those people that are spreading that information will not be allowed to interact in the public sphere in social media.

00:53:02.000 Okay, so that's this kind of, if you want to unpack this whole thing, it starts by understanding the Trusted News Initiative.

00:53:10.000 And we've got great links about that that have been put out, explanatory and links.

00:53:17.000 For instance, I put out a sub stack recently that talks about the Trusted News Initiative and the censorship, in which I link to both the BBC's Trusted News Initiative website so you can see what they have to say, and a video that describes the Trusted News Initiative from my point of view as somebody that's been on the receiving end of the Trusted News Initiative.

00:53:37.000 Now that's the starting point, but it doesn't explain the global coordination because TNI is mostly Western and it doesn't cover a lot of the other, you know, Latin America, for instance, or Spain or Israel.

00:53:55.000 And the only way that I can understand how all of this messaging, censorship, you know, deplatforming, you know, what it really is, is canceling.

00:54:13.000 And Bobby Kennedy makes the point that the first real example of cancel culture that we can track is Tony Fauci canceling the esteemed virologist Peter Duisberg because he was raising questions about the origin of HIV and its role in the disease called AIDS.

00:54:35.000 I remember when that happened.

00:54:50.000 And people were saying, you have blood on your hands, people are going to die because of this podcast.

00:54:53.000 And I'm like, what are you saying?

00:54:56.000 This is a guy who's a biologist, University of California, Berkeley.

00:55:00.000 Yeah.

00:55:00.000 Full professor.

00:55:00.000 I mean, a brilliant guy.

00:55:02.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 Totally, one of the best virologists of his generation, full stop.

00:55:08.000 And very controversial opinions.

00:55:10.000 But the only way to find out if someone's controversial opinions are valid is to ask questions and talk to them and let them express themselves.

00:55:19.000 And then I wanted to have someone come on and debate him.

00:55:22.000 I could not find anyone willing to do it.

00:55:24.000 This is covered in detail in Bobby Kennedy's book about Tony Fauci.

00:55:28.000 It's one of the great case studies.

00:55:30.000 Now, we have a more recent example of this cancel culture as it's played by NIH and by Tony in the emails that came out recently when you have Cliff Lane, Tony Fauci, and the director of the NIH, Francis Collins, basically coming out and saying that they're going to ridicule and destroy fringe epidemiologists.

00:55:57.000 And what was their sin, these fringe epidemiologists, that warranted a concerted effort on the part of the federal government to destroy them?

00:56:07.000 Their sin was raising questions about the effectiveness of vaccine lockdowns.

00:56:15.000 And who were these fringe epidemiologists, as stated by Francis Collins, who, by the way, has no background in epidemiology or public health.

00:56:23.000 He's a sequencing guy.

00:56:25.000 That's his claim to fame as the Human Genome Project and the cystic fibrosis transmembrane regulatory protein.

00:56:30.000 He has no background in immunology, no background in vaccinology, no training in public health.

00:56:35.000 But who are these three fringe epidemiologists?

00:56:39.000 Well, they happen to be full professors from obscure universities, Oxford, Harvard, and Stanford.

00:56:47.000 They were warning about lockdowns.

00:56:48.000 They were warning about lockdowns in the Great Barrington Declaration.

00:56:51.000 That's what prompted that.

00:56:53.000 And did you explain the Great Barrington Declaration?

00:56:55.000 So these three esteemed, high-profile academic epidemiologists came together and said and did an analysis, comprehensive analysis, about everything that was known about lockdowns and their impacts during infectious disease outbreaks.

00:57:14.000 And they came out with a specific statement.

00:57:16.000 You can find it on the web.

00:57:17.000 Look up Great Barrington Declaration.

00:57:20.000 And they came out with a specific statement that these lockdowns were going to cause more harm than help, which was contrary to the messaging that was being put out by Tony.

00:57:33.000 And so Tony decided that they had to be destroyed.

00:57:37.000 And then you had Francis Collins recently coming on Fox News after these emails were FOIA and brought out into the open and saying that if we had followed their advice, millions of people would have died.

00:57:50.000 This is the fallback.

00:57:52.000 Anytime you criticize these guys, what they say is, oh, you're killing people.

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01:01:00.000 People.

01:01:04.000 So if they had just done what Sweden had done and some other countries where they did institute lockdowns and they sort of let people just live their lives and make their own choices, they were saying that millions of people would have died.

01:01:18.000 But so it would be.

01:01:20.000 But time has shown that Sweden actually had a more effective take on the virus.

01:01:20.000 So it seems.

01:01:26.000 I mean, it was highly criticized in the beginning.

01:01:28.000 People were really concerned that they weren't taking it seriously enough.

01:01:32.000 And then there was also some concern that it wasn't, you couldn't compare.

01:01:38.000 They weren't comparable because the way Sweden is, it's like small towns and they're separated from each other.

01:01:43.000 It's not a high-density situation like New York or Los Angeles or Chicago.

01:01:48.000 But overall, in time, we've seen that this respiratory disease spreads, period, no matter what.

01:01:58.000 It seems to make its way to people, no matter where you are.

01:02:01.000 And what it's done in that country is it's kind of burned through the population, and their mortality rate is lower than most places.

01:02:10.000 Their infection rate is lower than most places.

01:02:13.000 And it didn't do the devastating economic damage and the devastating damage to children that were forced to isolate and not be with their friends and not go to school and not socialize.

01:02:24.000 So here's an even more fun one, okay, that just cuts right to it.

01:02:31.000 You know, the pejorative of these days is the country's name is actually Fizrael.

01:02:37.000 It's no longer Israel. 0.95

01:02:40.000 The Israeli people are very compliant with their government.

01:02:43.000 And their government has a financial deal with Pfizer, obviously.

01:02:47.000 And they only have Pfizer vaccine.

01:02:50.000 And they're now on jab number four.

01:02:55.000 There's a natural experiment that's occurring in the Palestinian territory and the surrounding states. 0.64

01:03:00.000 Those surrounding states in the Palestinian territory does not have that level of vaccine uptake at all.

01:03:07.000 The mortality in the surrounding states and the Palestinian Authority is substantially less from this virus than the mortality in Israel.

01:03:17.000 Now, is it factored by age?

01:03:24.000 What are the variables?

01:03:26.000 Good question.

01:03:27.000 And this is akin to this mystery, sorry, of what's going on in Central Africa and the malaria belt, where you have really low levels of mortality.

01:03:40.000 And what you're hitting on appropriately, you're getting right to the core of the issue, is confounding variables.

01:03:49.000 And in general, the Israeli population is a little bit older than the Palestinian territory on average, so that's a lower risk.

01:03:59.000 Neither one of them are associated with high rates of mortality, of morbidity, of obesity.

01:04:06.000 And so that variable seems to be out there.

01:04:08.000 That may be one of the major variables in Africa is that in that malaria belt, people generally aren't fat.

01:04:16.000 They happen to also be taking ivermectin and hydroxychloroquine for the indigenous parasites that they have to deal with.

01:04:24.000 So a lot of people were saying, well, that must prove that hydroxy and ivermectin protect.

01:04:29.000 Well, not so.

01:04:30.000 As you point out, there's a lot of moving parts here.

01:04:34.000 And so this is why, you know, I'm glad you didn't ask me, well, why is that, Robert?

01:04:40.000 Because I would have said, hmm, I can't say because there's too many confounding variables.

01:04:44.000 However, it is a fascinating observation that we have this intensively vaccinated cohort in Israel and much, much less vaccinated cohorts in the surrounding States, and you can look it up on WorldOmeter.

01:05:03.000 You don't have to believe me.

01:05:05.000 Your audience is smart enough.

01:05:06.000 They can go on WorldOmeter and look it up and look at the mortality and morbidity in these different countries and figure it out for themselves.

01:05:15.000 Is the rate of infection comparable?

01:05:20.000 Rate of infection is a really hard variable because it's a function of the density of testing.

01:05:27.000 And so, you know, this is one of those situations, the more you look for it, the more you find, which is why you really can't use that as a denominator, is the incidence of infection, because the incidence of infection is totally contaminated by the frequency of testing and the density of testing.

01:05:46.000 So you have to rely on things that the only, really, the only thing close to a decent outcome indicator that isn't subject to all of this bias that's all over in the system, except in a few states.

01:06:00.000 Iceland, the Scandinavian states generally have relatively clean data.

01:06:06.000 The UK, to some extent, has cleaner data.

01:06:10.000 It's now clear that the Israeli data set is contaminated by all kinds of monkey business in terms of what gets deleted. 0.96

01:06:17.000 But the only thing that seems close to a reasonable outcome variable is all-cause mortality.

01:06:24.000 So, because people get kind of wrapped up around this, and they say, well, you know, these vaccine, these deaths that were, I mean, this is the, everybody argues both sides of the coin with the VAR system.

01:06:39.000 Oh, that means nothing.

01:06:41.000 And then, oh, well, in the CDC uses it, it means everything, right?

01:06:44.000 And it's okay for them to use it as a numerator, but it's not okay for anybody else to use it.

01:06:49.000 And for people who don't know what we're talking about, we're talking about the vaccine adverse event reporting system.

01:06:53.000 That's VARES. 0.79

01:06:55.000 Which the FDA explicitly said in the licensure packet for commerdity is inadequate to detect rare adverse events.

01:07:03.000 That's why they forced, if they ever market commerdity in the United States, they're going to have to do a bunch of clinical trials, which I think is one reason why they're not doing it.

01:07:12.000 Because the FDA has told them that VARES is basically junk.

01:07:16.000 But it's the best we got.

01:07:19.000 So when you look at these ratios, the argument is, well, just because somebody died within X number of days of receipt of vaccine, it doesn't mean their death is vaccine caused.

01:07:34.000 It's vaccine correlated.

01:07:36.000 That's fair.

01:07:37.000 But it's the only variable we have.

01:07:39.000 And it's consistent in that we've had that variable and that outcome measure for decades.

01:07:46.000 Okay, so then we can look at trends.

01:07:48.000 But what we see is this explosion of vaccine-associated deaths.

01:07:54.000 And to kind of pick that apart, people say, you know, well, if you had a car accident or a bullet to the head and you went to the hospital and they tested you with a PCR test that's nonspecific and they ran it up to 42 cycles and they said, oh, look, there's the virus.

01:08:14.000 And by the way, they have a financial incentive to do that.

01:08:18.000 That results in a false positive death.

01:08:20.000 True.

01:08:22.000 But the other side of the coin is that if somebody's having brain fog or they have a stroke while they're driving a car and they crash and die and they've had it within 48 hours of when they took the jab, and we know the jabs cause blood clotting and strokes, well, then it could well be that an auto accident is vaccine related.

01:08:45.000 Catch my point?

01:08:46.000 Yeah.

01:08:47.000 So all of these kind of things, you can't sort out what's what.

01:08:52.000 You just kind of have to take the aggregate value and hope that you have a large enough sample size that it corrects for all that stuff, all that noise that's inherent in the system.

01:09:01.000 Now, you just glossed over the financial incentive to report a COVID death.

01:09:08.000 What is that?

01:09:09.000 What is the financial incentive?

01:09:10.000 Because there's all these rumors that you would hear about what a hospital gets paid per COVID death and that the government gives them money and that they're incentivized to make something market down.

01:09:21.000 It's not rumors.

01:09:22.000 It's not rumors.

01:09:24.000 Now, I don't have the specific numbers at the top of my head.

01:09:26.000 I'm not a hospitalist.

01:09:27.000 I'm not a hospital administrator.

01:09:30.000 But the numbers are quite large.

01:09:32.000 There's something like a $3,000 basically death benefit to a hospital if it can be claimed to be COVID.

01:09:39.000 There's a financial incentive to call somebody COVID positive.

01:09:44.000 The CDC made a determination in year one.

01:09:47.000 This is why all of our baseline data is junk.

01:09:50.000 What is the financial incentive to say that they're COVID positive?

01:09:54.000 That's why the PCR cycles are ramped up so high?

01:09:59.000 Again, you're asking causation.

01:10:01.000 I can tell you that the hospitals receive a bonus from the government, I think it's like $3,000, if someone is hospitalized and able to be declared COVID positive.

01:10:15.000 They also receive a bonus, I think the total is something like $30,000 in incentive if somebody gets put on the vent.

01:10:25.000 Then they get a bonus if somebody is declared dead with COVID, COVID.

01:10:32.000 So they have an incentive at the front end to declare somebody a COVID case.

01:10:38.000 The CDC made a determination that they were going to make a core assumption if PCR positive and you die, that is death due to COVID.

01:10:55.000 And so the extreme example, just to show the absurdity, if the patient comes in with a bullet hole to the head and they do a nose swab and they come up PCR positive, they're determined to have died from COVID when in fact they died from lead poisoning.

01:11:14.000 That's real?

01:11:15.000 Yeah.

01:11:15.000 So they've really done that with gunshot victims?

01:11:18.000 Yeah, for sure, trauma and other things.

01:11:18.000 I don't know about that.

01:11:22.000 I've seen that said, but I've always thought that's ridiculous.

01:11:25.000 There's no way a hospital would be.

01:11:28.000 It's not a question of what hospital would do.

01:11:30.000 It's a question of med codes.

01:11:32.000 So the code is set that if you swab that person and you are supposed to swab them.

01:11:39.000 And you get a positive signal.

01:11:42.000 Are you obligated to swab them no matter who they are if they come in with an injury?

01:11:47.000 I believe it's the common practice.

01:11:49.000 I don't know whether there would be an obligation, that would be a hospital-by-hospital policy statement.

01:11:54.000 So it really is true that if someone has a gunshot wound and they're dying of that gunshot wound and you check them for COVID, and if they're COVID positive and they die, they marked it off as a COVID death.

01:12:06.000 That is by definition from the CDC.

01:12:08.000 That was a decision that was made early on.

01:12:11.000 That seems insane.

01:12:17.000 That's why so many of us are so much in arms, up in arms, and really pretty aggravated about what's going on, is all the way through this, the information, let me put it this way, Joe.

01:12:33.000 Part of the reason I know you're somebody who is really committed to bringing everybody together and the idea that we're really one America.

01:12:43.000 We're one people.

01:12:44.000 We shouldn't be divided like this.

01:12:46.000 I'd like that for the whole world.

01:12:49.000 Yeah.

01:12:49.000 Amen.

01:12:50.000 Amen.

01:12:51.000 Okay?

01:12:51.000 We're aligned.

01:12:52.000 We're just humans.

01:12:53.000 Thank you.

01:12:54.000 Okay?

01:12:55.000 But we've been divided in this way and it's all been politicized and the data have been so thoroughly manipulated that it's hard for any of us to make sense out of it.

01:13:10.000 And all the way through, our government, at least, I can't speak to Great Britain or Germany, but our government has had a series of checkpoints where they have a job to do.

01:13:22.000 And I know this because this is what I do for a living, right?

01:13:25.000 I do regulatory affairs and clinical development.

01:13:29.000 We wouldn't be having all of this conflict about what is truth if the FDA had done its job.

01:13:36.000 What the FDA didn't do was force the pharmaceutical manufacturers to do their job.

01:13:43.000 Now, we can wrap around, you know, well, maybe it was just they were all in a rush, we were all panicked, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:13:50.000 But the bottom line was they didn't do their job.

01:13:53.000 And they didn't force Pharma to do its job.

01:13:56.000 And they didn't employ the standard requirements for testing and verification that Pharma was doing its job that I would expect to experience as a clinical researcher on one of my studies.

01:14:10.000 What's gone on with Pfizer if the whistleblower comments hold true?

01:14:16.000 And for instance, the Maddie DeGary case, this young woman who was listed as having a stomachache that participated in the Pfizer trials, when in fact what she had was a seizure and she's now wheelchair bound with a nasogastric tube, one of a thousand subjects.

01:14:33.000 This is a 13-year-old girl that was a part of the study and they wrote it down as what?

01:14:40.000 Gastric distress.

01:14:42.000 That's literally what it says in terms of the adverse effect.

01:14:46.000 Gastric distress.

01:14:47.000 Like what is gastric distress?

01:14:50.000 That's it.

01:14:50.000 Stomachache.

01:14:51.000 But how do they account for all the other injuries?

01:14:53.000 They don't.

01:14:54.000 They don't.

01:14:55.000 They take her off of the study.

01:14:58.000 They take her.

01:14:59.000 It's possible that that's totally unethical.

01:15:02.000 It is.

01:15:03.000 So who's signing off on that?

01:15:04.000 How are they allowed to do that?

01:15:06.000 So the way the rules work in regulatory affairs, so this is law, right?

01:15:12.000 This is regulatory affairs law and common practice at the FDA and globally.

01:15:17.000 There's all kinds of treaties and things that regulate how these things are supposed to be done.

01:15:23.000 The rule is, it used to be that a pharmaceutical company could kind of offload all the liability for bad stuff that might happen in a clinical trial and be mismanaged, et cetera, onto the performer, the subcontractor.

01:15:36.000 It used to be that pharma actually did the trials themselves.

01:15:39.000 And then they found it was cheaper, more efficient, and they could push off their liability if they engaged companies like I've been working for for decades, contract research organizations, clinical contract research organizations.

01:15:50.000 And so that was done for a while.

01:15:53.000 And if anything went bad in the trial, then the pharma could say, oh, it wasn't us, it was those guys.

01:16:01.000 Now, over the last few years, the FDA got wise to that and they made policy that the responsibility vests with the sponsor.

01:16:09.000 That's fancy regulatory speak for it.

01:16:12.000 It's pharma owns it.

01:16:14.000 So you ask the question, whose responsibility is it to ensure that the data isn't contaminated and manipulated?

01:16:21.000 The answer is Pfizer.

01:16:24.000 Wow.

01:16:26.000 So they're responsible for the data.

01:16:28.000 They're allowed to say that this was just some sort of a gastric distress.

01:16:33.000 And the job of the FDA always is to ferret out monkey business, which happens all the time, whether intentional or unintentional.

01:16:45.000 And there's all kinds of ways you can craft clinical trials and craft clinical trial study reports, final study reports, to hide the bad stuff and highlight the good stuff.

01:16:57.000 So in this clinical trial that this young lady was involved in, how many children were involved in the study?

01:17:04.000 It's 2,000 approximately, but they're split into placebo and experimental groups.

01:17:09.000 And so she was in the treatment group.

01:17:11.000 Now, one of the things that people have said in response to the vaccine injuries is that it's approximately one in a thousand that are getting these significant injuries like myocarditis.

01:17:23.000 And there's a, well, it's important when we talk about these things to make a distinction between an event that is clinically significant and might result in hospitalization versus something that might be undetected unless you did a laboratory test or,

01:17:48.000 you know, maybe, like, for instance, myself, when I started to experience those things that I experienced after Moderna, I was confused.

01:17:56.000 It was not listed as among the side effects.

01:17:59.000 I thought I just Suddenly developed rampant hypertension until the data started coming out.

01:18:07.000 And I, you know, fortunately I had an astute cardiologist that got me under control and got me under medical management.

01:18:15.000 And then I looked into it.

01:18:16.000 Oh, this is one of the known side effects.

01:18:18.000 And then time went by and it became more and more clear.

01:18:20.000 So the point is that what gets reported in a study is often biased by how the study is structured.

01:18:30.000 Because one lists, when you write the study protocol, you list expected adverse events.

01:18:38.000 And so people, if those things happen, oftentimes they get checked.

01:18:44.000 But I guarantee one of the expected adverse events was not seizure and paralysis.

01:18:51.000 Now, what they did, one of the things, there's all kinds of tricks you can play with the data if you're so inclined.

01:19:00.000 And that's why it's so important.

01:19:03.000 People like me that do clinical research for a living, we get drummed into our head bioethics on a regular basis.

01:19:12.000 It's obligatory training.

01:19:15.000 And we have to be retrained all the time.

01:19:18.000 Because there's a long history of physicians doing bad stuff, monkey business.

01:19:23.000 And the most notable, of course, in common knowledge is the Tuskegee experiments.

01:19:28.000 But so it happens.

01:19:32.000 There's all kinds of financial incentives to make bad stuff go away and highlight good stuff.

01:19:37.000 Makes the sponsor happy.

01:19:40.000 And then you get another contract.

01:19:41.000 These are not little contracts.

01:19:44.000 You know, a modest clinical trial is $20 million.

01:19:49.000 A big one is $100 million or more.

01:19:52.000 So these are big money deals.

01:19:54.000 You want to keep that money flowing and you want to keep your sponsor happy.

01:20:00.000 So that's what's come out with the whistleblower, with Pfizer, is that the contractor, I think it's here in Texas, that ran a bunch of those clinical trials appears to have manipulated data in a variety of ways.

01:20:16.000 And this is done at the level of checking the data and reconciling the data and deciding which things go into the database and which things don't go into the database and whether or not, well, if somebody had an adverse event after shot one and then they're dropped because they won't take shot two, you know, do we drop them out of this overall study analysis?

01:20:37.000 That's why we have all this specific language that we use in our business, the intent to treat cohort, the per-protocol cohort.

01:20:50.000 These are separate analyses.

01:20:51.000 They describe these differences and how, because it's known that you can manipulate the data in these different ways.

01:20:57.000 And it's clear now, and basically this was the subject, by the way, just to bring it back around to our first topic.

01:21:05.000 This is the subject of that presentation that the Canadians put out, that I put in that Twitter post, was all the different ways that the Pfizer data was manipulated.

01:21:17.000 The fact that that is grounds for being removed from Twitter is so astonishing.

01:21:25.000 It's just, it blows my mind that that's the number one platform for distributing information right now and that things like that are happening there.

01:21:34.000 Because it is.

01:21:34.000 I mean, it's essentially the number one that and Facebook.

01:21:37.000 I don't know which one's bigger, but for distributing information.

01:21:41.000 So what's recently taken place, so remember looping back, I talked about the interconnectedness at the board level between Pfizer and Thomson Reuters.

01:21:52.000 Yes.

01:21:53.000 Okay.

01:21:53.000 Thomson Reuters has become the fact-checker of choice for determining, you know, quotes fact-checker, right?

01:22:02.000 And we know, so we can go into the Facebook lawsuit that recently broke that whole story open.

01:22:10.000 But Thomson Reuters is tied to Pfizer.

01:22:14.000 They have common corporate ownership.

01:22:17.000 And they are the fact-checker of Twitter now.

01:22:22.000 They're integrated.

01:22:24.000 Okay?

01:22:24.000 So it's Thompson Reuters is making the decision, which has connections to Pfizer, about what information will be allowed to be discussed on Twitter.

01:22:37.000 That is crazy.

01:22:39.000 That is so crazy to even hear.

01:22:44.000 And I don't know how we ever pull out of this mess.

01:22:46.000 I mean, I think we are at a 45-degree downward angle headed into a mountain.

01:22:50.000 I really do.

01:22:51.000 It's so strange to me that no one's up in arms about this other than a few people that have been censored, a few people that have these opposing viewpoints that are deemed to be something that can't be discussed.

01:23:05.000 Well, it's, Joe, it's even deeper than that.

01:23:09.000 Then there's the hunting of physicians.

01:23:12.000 So I myself, you know, Peter McCullough is the textbook example of hunting physicians, right?

01:23:18.000 The guy is $150,000 in debt right now in the hole in trying to defend his medical license.

01:23:25.000 This is one of the most highly published authors in the world.

01:23:30.000 He's an exceptional researcher, you know, and apparently a pretty good podcaster, too.

01:23:37.000 The guy has published more in his field than any other physician in history.

01:23:43.000 And Baylor's trying to take him out.

01:23:44.000 And it's not only Baylor, it's some entity outside of Baylor that's come in and is financing the attacks on him.

01:23:52.000 But just to bring it home, really, not to make it all about me, but to be able to speak in the first person.

01:24:00.000 So I went to Maui with a bunch of physicians a few months ago, and we gave talks and did training about early treatments.

01:24:08.000 We didn't talk about vaccines.

01:24:10.000 There's only one hospital on Maui, on the island of Maui.

01:24:13.000 It's owned by a, it's basically a Kaiser Permanente satellite.

01:24:21.000 So we went there, we gave that talk.

01:24:24.000 That hospital and the hospitalists associated with it are actively involved and have kicked out Kirk Milhound because he's giving early treatment with the horse drug, ivermectin.

01:24:39.000 Now, who is Kirk Milhound?

01:24:42.000 Why is he in this hospital?

01:24:44.000 What is he qualified?

01:24:45.000 He's an MD-PhD pediatric cardiologist with his PhD training at UC San Diego in vascular inflammation.

01:24:54.000 He is among the most qualified individuals in the world for managing COVID and commenting on cardiomyocarditis in children.

01:25:06.000 And they have kicked him out of the hospital.

01:25:08.000 Just for prescribing ivermectin.

01:25:10.000 For early treatment.

01:25:12.000 He also happens to be a pastor at a local congregation.

01:25:16.000 He runs a food bank.

01:25:18.000 His whole life he has traveled to emerging economies to provide free treatment.

01:25:23.000 This is the kind of exemplar person that we all should be in the best of all possible worlds.

01:25:32.000 And did they give an excuse for this?

01:25:34.000 Are they saying that his prescription of early treatment promotes vaccine hesitancy?

01:25:40.000 Is there anything else?

01:25:41.000 He's prescribing ineffective drugs and putting people's lives at risk.

01:25:47.000 But here's the point.

01:25:48.000 I'm not even there yet.

01:25:50.000 Okay, we're just winding up on this one.

01:25:52.000 So the other day, right before Christmas, three days before Christmas, I get a package from my licensing agency, which I'm licensed through the state of Maryland.

01:26:01.000 So the state of Maryland Medical Board sends me a package, and it is a complaint that's been filed against me.

01:26:09.000 I have six days to respond.

01:26:10.000 Basically, I end up having to respond on Christmas Day, okay, or earlier, to this attack claiming that I should lose my medical license.

01:26:20.000 And the citations are that I didn't actually invent mRNA vaccines, a copy of the Atlantic Monthly attack article on me, claims that I'm licensed in Virginia, which I'm not, claims that I didn't graduate from Harvard Medical School, which I did.

01:26:40.000 Okay, so I have to respond to all this stuff.

01:26:42.000 Now in going through it, and it's just false, false, false, false, all coming and pulled a bunch of stuff off of Twitter and LinkedIn and sent it in and saying, well, this is the reason why this guy should lose his license.

01:26:57.000 Because he is responsible for millions of deaths.

01:27:00.000 He said it straight out.

01:27:02.000 I'm responsible for millions of deaths because of what I've said on social media.

01:27:08.000 Now, who is it that's filing this?

01:27:10.000 It turns out it's the director of recruitment in external affairs of this hospital in Maui.

01:27:19.000 This guy felt that it was necessary to send this little package of happiness right before Christmas to my licensing board to try to get my license taken away.

01:27:31.000 What we're seeing across the United States and across the world is it's the hospitals and the hospitalists that are attacking outside physicians.

01:27:43.000 Do you have any knowledge as to why they're doing this, other than speculation?

01:27:48.000 If I was to follow the money, I'm going to put it that way.

01:27:52.000 Again, I can't get into their heads.

01:27:54.000 I don't know what's making them do this.

01:27:56.000 It's crazy.

01:27:57.000 Never been done before.

01:27:58.000 It's happening.

01:27:59.000 We went and did a presentation in Alaska, and the same thing was being done for the physicians that came out and spoke about early treatment in Alaska.

01:28:07.000 And fortunately, the Alaska Licensing Board put out a very terse statement that they don't want to get involved in politics and this kind of tit-for-tat and that this is outside of their role.

01:28:21.000 Medical licensing boards for this kind of stuff are usually involved in making determinations about somebody's suitability because of drug abuse or sexual activity or other things which are outside or malpractice, overt malpractice.

01:28:39.000 This kind of political weaponization of medical licensing boards is new.

01:28:45.000 Now, here's the observation that I can make if we follow the money is that hospitals are incentivized to treat COVID patients.

01:28:57.000 The thing that ties all this little part of this story together, including the suppression through the government of early treatment, hospitals are incentivized financially to treat COVID patients.

01:29:12.000 If COVID patients are being treated outside of the hospital and prevented from going to the hospital, such as the case in the Imperial Valley, where Brian Tyson and George Farid have saved thousands and thousands of lives of indigenous Latinos that are coming across the border and work in the fields, I mean, they're breaking their backs to save the poor.

01:29:36.000 Amazing story there with early treatments.

01:29:41.000 And I guess they're left alone because they're in the Imperial Valley and nobody cares.

01:29:44.000 They're all poor.

01:29:45.000 But in these urban environments, there is all these incentives for hospitals to treat COVID patients.

01:29:53.000 And if people are giving treatments that are keeping people out of the hospitals, then they're not getting that revenue.

01:30:00.000 So your speculation, if I just could unpack this, that doctor in Maui who was giving early treatment, you think that the reason why he was targeted, because he was directly costing the hospital money because people weren't going in?

01:30:18.000 I'm saying that the observation is that early treatment keeps people out of the hospital and that hospitals have financial incentives, including death incentives, financial incentives.

01:30:28.000 To discourage early treatment.

01:30:33.000 And the other data point is these that are doing the attacking are almost universally hospital administrators and hospitalists.

01:30:45.000 So these aren't physicians, these aren't...

01:30:50.000 Okay, what does that mean then?

01:30:52.000 Why are they doing it?

01:30:54.000 they're part of that system of that hospital system.

01:30:56.000 And the administrators they would be doing that because they're making but they're making so I'm observing facts.

01:31:06.000 Right.

01:31:08.000 I want to bring this back to something we were talking about earlier, but we kind of moved past it.

01:31:12.000 We were talking about the one in a thousand statistics.

01:31:16.000 So, a recent paper out of Hong Kong: comprehensive analysis: myocarditis in boys hospitalized.

01:31:16.000 Right.

01:31:25.000 Okay, that makes sense?

01:31:27.000 Yes.

01:31:27.000 That's Swordstring.

01:31:28.000 So, that's the data analysis.

01:31:31.000 So, that's saying the myocarditis was so bad after vaccination, and these are all verified post-vaccination, the myocarditis was so bad that you went to the hospital.

01:31:41.000 Incidence rate is 1 in 2,700.

01:31:46.000 Now, there's all kinds of hand waving that, oh, myocarditis is mild and they recover from it.

01:31:54.000 Those statements aren't, let's say, gently based in fact.

01:31:58.000 Historic incidence of death post-myocarditis is about 27%.

01:32:04.000 Now, the assertion is, well, this is a different kind of myocarditis, and therefore it's not going to kill these kids or young adults.

01:32:12.000 But that's being said in the absence of data.

01:32:14.000 It's pure speculation.

01:32:16.000 And why are they doing that?

01:32:16.000 Right.

01:32:17.000 Because they keep saying that.

01:32:19.000 The instances of myocarditis are mild.

01:32:22.000 I keep hearing that, that it's mild myocarditis and that it eventually goes away.

01:32:27.000 But not citing any studies, and I don't think there are any long-term studies of children that have been vaccinated.

01:32:32.000 It can't be.

01:32:33.000 Right.

01:32:34.000 By definition.

01:32:35.000 Right.

01:32:36.000 Right.

01:32:36.000 Because we haven't done what we have always done.

01:32:40.000 Okay, so let me say this.

01:32:42.000 People ask me, Robert, you're the inventor of this tech.

01:32:45.000 You're a vaccinologist.

01:32:47.000 Why are you speaking out?

01:32:48.000 This was the whole topic of the Atlantic Monthly attack article.

01:32:51.000 You know, why has this person become a vaccine skeptic?

01:32:57.000 Did they talk to you?

01:32:59.000 Extensively.

01:33:00.000 And three days before this thing came out, the journalist, it's a fascinating, he's a young man.

01:33:06.000 He previously publishes basically on woke issues in the Chronicle of Higher Education.

01:33:12.000 This is his first big article.

01:33:14.000 He was clearly hired, and they explicitly say the article was funded by the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Zuckerberg Chan Initiative.

01:33:23.000 Robert Wood Johnson is the major shareholder in J ⁇ J, and Zuckerberg Chan, of course, is Facebook.

01:33:29.000 So Facebook and Zuckerberg Chan have funded this attack article by this guy that normally writes about wokeness in the Journal of Higher Education.

01:33:40.000 And he was totally obsessed over this question.

01:33:43.000 Robert, why are you saying these things?

01:33:46.000 You must have some financial incentive.

01:33:49.000 There must be some reason why you're doing this.

01:33:52.000 Did you meet with this man in person?

01:33:53.000 No, just over the phone.

01:33:55.000 And I told him repeatedly, because it's the right thing to do.

01:33:59.000 I get this, you know, this consternation.

01:34:03.000 But see, the thing is, I think I'm maybe the only one that has been involved deeply in the development of this tech that doesn't have a financial stake in it.

01:34:13.000 So for me, the reason is because what's happening is not right.

01:34:18.000 It's destroying my profession.

01:34:20.000 It's destroying the practice of medicine worldwide.

01:34:23.000 It's destroying public health in medicine.

01:34:25.000 I am a vaccinologist.

01:34:27.000 I've spent 30 years developing vaccine, a stupid amount of education, learning how to do it and what the rules are.

01:34:35.000 And for me, I'm personally offended by watching my discipline get destroyed for no good reason at all, except apparently financial incentives and, I don't know, political ass covering.

01:34:54.000 Now, back to this number, because we keep going past it and going off on tangents.

01:35:01.000 The number that keeps getting cited is one in 1,000 people have adverse events, including myocarditis.

01:35:08.000 If myocarditis that requires hospitalization is 1 in 2,700.

01:35:13.000 In boys.

01:35:14.000 But there's also issues of people that have something like fatigue that has lapsed.

01:35:23.000 So those are vaccination.

01:35:25.000 But there's a lot of those.

01:35:28.000 There's a huge number of dysmenorrhea in menometric.

01:35:32.000 What are those?

01:35:33.000 This is alterations in menses in women. 0.97

01:35:36.000 Oh, right.

01:35:37.000 That's a huge issue.

01:35:39.000 And they deny it.

01:35:41.000 Mensis, menstrual cycles.

01:35:43.000 Women go into menopause very young. 1.00

01:35:46.000 Like I know a girl who's 36 who got the vaccine, hasn't had her period in eight months.

01:35:49.000 And then there is the women who are post-menopausal that suddenly start bleeding.

01:35:54.000 Yeah.

01:35:54.000 So here's the thing about this, Joe, that kind of ties this together.

01:35:59.000 I'm in the business.

01:36:00.000 It's basically the part of what I do is like a detective figuring out, because I'm trained in pathology, why is this happening?

01:36:09.000 What are the things that connect these things?

01:36:13.000 So what is it that drives menstruation?

01:36:16.000 The answer is the ovary.

01:36:18.000 The ovary is the controller through hormones and ovulation.

01:36:24.000 What did we learn early on from the Pfizer data package, which by the way, when that was disclosed by Byron Breidel from Japan and sent to me, was the first thing that really lit me up and let me know that something here was rotten.

01:36:40.000 And when I got that, I picked out, as Byram had done, I was given the task of independently evaluating it.

01:36:46.000 And then I took that package and I gave it to a more senior regulatory professional that I respect and I said, hmm, these are the things I see.

01:36:53.000 This looks really bad.

01:36:54.000 He looked at it and he said, oh, you missed this thing, that, and the other thing.

01:36:59.000 These missing things include reproductive toxicology, evaluations of teratogenicity, birth defects, standard stuff that's always done.

01:37:13.000 Genotoxicity, not done.

01:37:16.000 What was done was a cobbled together group of data that didn't even involve the vaccine and used other mRNAs in non-GLP, that's fancy talk, For not done with rigor studies, not done according to the rules, all cobbled together and sent into the regulatory agencies of the world to justify going ahead and giving jabs to everybody under emergency use authorization.

01:37:46.000 That's the truth of it.

01:37:47.000 That's the short version that's using common language.

01:37:51.000 One of the studies they did do was administer these lipid RNA complexes to rodents and showed the distribution of the synthetic lipid component.

01:38:04.000 That's the fats that package the RNA that let it slip into your cells. 0.96

01:38:08.000 It's a synthetic chemical, a positively charged molecule.

01:38:12.000 It's a fat with a charge on the end.

01:38:15.000 It goes to the ovary at a very high rate, like 11% of the lipids.

01:38:21.000 Now this wasn't supposed to happen.

01:38:22.000 It was supposed to stay in the arm where it got jabbed, but it doesn't.

01:38:26.000 It goes all over the body.

01:38:28.000 It goes to two places that are really kind of anomalous, bone marrow and ovaries.

01:38:32.000 Now the ovary signal is really clear because it doesn't happen in testes.

01:38:39.000 So now you got a molecule, synthetic molecule, going to an organ, the ovary, that controls menstruation in a non-clinical model, a rodent.

01:38:55.000 And subsequently, it's deployed widely in humans, and you have this phenomena of alteration in menstrual cycle.

01:39:04.000 Now, one of the things that was fascinating, I was asked to testify to the Hasidic Jew Rabbitical Court in New York.

01:39:12.000 A lot of interesting things happen with that.

01:39:14.000 It's like sitting around with 15 different gandals. 0.80

01:39:19.000 One of those bucket list things, I guess.

01:39:24.000 Talking to them.

01:39:25.000 It turns out that the rabbis in the Hasidic Jew community carefully monitor, we don't need to go into how, the menstrual cycle of the fertile women in their congregations.

01:39:37.000 Closely monitor it because there is strict guidance about cleanliness and intercourse.

01:39:45.000 And they had a major problem because these are all 60 plus, up to 80, long beards, gray hair, that had exquisite understanding about the menstrual cycle in all the women in their congregations. 0.81

01:40:02.000 And they all knew that these menstrual cycles were being disrupted all the time.

01:40:08.000 And for them, this was a major crisis because it meant that if you're in the Hasidic community, increasing the size of the population of Hasidic Jews is kind of important to you.

01:40:20.000 It's centrally important to them.

01:40:22.000 And this was a major threat to reproductive health in their communities. 0.97

01:40:26.000 Now, they took all this testimony, they thought about it, and they came out with a clear statement that children should not be vaccinated.

01:40:34.000 This has the power of law in this community.

01:40:37.000 Should not be vaccinated.

01:40:38.000 And in adults, it's strongly discouraged.

01:40:40.000 And part of the reason is because of these alterations in reproduction.

01:40:45.000 And again, the point, what's the common variable?

01:40:48.000 It's the ovary. 0.54

01:40:50.000 This is why I say in my little statement that's gone all over the world, this little four-minute clip that's kind of gone viral and triggered governments to attack me now, like Israel and Spain and Italy, in the same systematic pattern of, you know, trying to demean me and delegitimize me.

01:41:12.000 But that's why I say in that, that think twice about giving these jabs to your kids.

01:41:22.000 Among other things, your girls are born with all the eggs they will ever have.

01:41:28.000 And these lipids are going to the ovaries and they appear to be affecting menstruation in some way.

01:41:35.000 But menstruation is just one of these adverse events.

01:41:39.000 You picked out some of the other ones, the fatigue, brain fog, all kinds of things.

01:41:44.000 And to be fair, people get that from COVID as well, correct?

01:41:48.000 True.

01:41:48.000 Absolutely true.

01:41:50.000 And that's another fascinating variable is we have COVID, we have mRNA genetic vaccines, and we have DNA virus-administered genetic vaccines.

01:41:59.000 That's the J and J here in the United States, adenovirus. 1.00

01:42:04.000 And they all have these symptoms of clotting, brain fog, and other things.

01:42:10.000 And so as, you know, this is basically, does it walk like a duck and quack like a duck?

01:42:16.000 What is the common variable between those three very different systems, natural viral infection, mRNA genetic vaccines, and DNA genetic vaccines?

01:42:26.000 Now, we don't see these problems, by the way.

01:42:29.000 Adenovirovectored vaccines have been in development for my entire life, 30 years.

01:42:36.000 They're licensed adenoviral vectored vaccines.

01:42:39.000 They don't have these problems.

01:42:41.000 Okay, so it's something that's not intrinsic to the platform.

01:42:45.000 What is it?

01:42:46.000 The common variable is spike.

01:42:50.000 Just to cut to the chase.

01:42:51.000 Spike protein.

01:42:52.000 Yeah.

01:42:54.000 And so the spike protein is probably causing all these problems with people who have caught COVID and also people who are getting the vaccine.

01:43:04.000 But then the lipo, what is it, lipo-nanoparticles?

01:43:10.000 That's fine.

01:43:10.000 That's a good term.

01:43:11.000 How do you say it?

01:43:13.000 I call them lipoplexes. 1.00

01:43:15.000 Lipid nanoparticles is another term.

01:43:17.000 Lipid nanoparticles.

01:43:18.000 So these are the ones that are affecting the ovaries?

01:43:21.000 No, it's the lipid part of it in particular that goes to the ovaries, not the RNA.

01:43:26.000 And that aspect of it is not affecting men, but with men you have a higher incidence of myocarditis?

01:43:32.000 And why is that?

01:43:34.000 Good question.

01:43:34.000 What is driving the myocarditis?

01:43:37.000 So there's a couple, there are a variety of hypotheses about this.

01:43:41.000 What we do know is that both the virus and these vaccines are associated with, here's another fancy medical term, microcoagulation or microcoagulopathy, the latter one being a disease of microcoagulation, small blood clots.

01:44:00.000 There are multiple ways in which that can happen.

01:44:03.000 It's clear that SPICE is associated with a variety of mechanisms that trigger coagulation, including an autoimmune one.

01:44:14.000 So there's something about this protein, SPICE, whether it's in the vaccine or not, it binds to the surface of key cells through a key regulatory protein called ACE2.

01:44:28.000 ACE2 is involved in controlling blood pressure, blood vessel tone, all kinds of stuff.

01:44:34.000 If you activate ACE2 on the little tiny smooth muscle cells that wrap around your capillaries that control your vascular tone, that's your blood pressure locally.

01:44:47.000 The ability of blood to go through those tubes.

01:44:50.000 That's controlled.

01:44:51.000 Basically, you've got these little muscles, cellular muscles, that control the contraction.

01:45:00.000 It's kind of like peristalsis, if you know what that is, the kind of process that can move something down a tube, like in our gut.

01:45:10.000 You know, the way we move food and waste material through our gut and eventually excrete it.

01:45:15.000 That's peristalsis, the thing that brings it down through our esophagus.

01:45:20.000 Same thing happens with your blood vessels.

01:45:22.000 And when ACE2 fires off, when it gets activated, it causes contraction of pericytes and blocks these microvessels.

01:45:30.000 And if you get stagnant blood in blood vessels, it clots like that.

01:45:35.000 That's what it does.

01:45:37.000 It's a normal homeostatic mechanism.

01:45:40.000 So there's that.

01:45:42.000 There's the whole cast.

01:45:43.000 So there's the effects on the local tissue.

01:45:47.000 And there is direct effects triggering coagulation through a number of pathways.

01:45:51.000 Now, what can cause myocarditis, pericarditis?

01:45:54.000 A number of things.

01:45:55.000 Autoimmune processes, which we also know are involved in some of the coagulation problems, and this kind of process of clamping down on blood vessels, which we know is happening.

01:46:08.000 And the autoimmune response, is this also in response to the spike protein?

01:46:13.000 What is causing the autoimmune response in people?

01:46:15.000 It's observed that it is happening and it's happening with these RNA vaccines.

01:46:23.000 It's happening with the adenoviral vectored vaccines.

01:46:27.000 I don't know, I don't recall literature that it's happening with the virus itself, but it may very well be.

01:46:34.000 I know quite a few people that have had viral outbreaks post things like shingles, herpes outbreaks.

01:46:42.000 Now that's another one.

01:46:43.000 Okay, so now you're opening the compartment.

01:46:46.000 Before we were talking about cardiac and blood vessels.

01:46:49.000 Yes.

01:46:50.000 And we talked a little bit about the brain.

01:46:51.000 We didn't talk about the strokes.

01:46:53.000 We talked about the brain fog, and it's known that spike will open the blood-brain barrier is this kind of concept.

01:47:03.000 It's a little loose, but it has to do with the structure of the cells that line the blood vessels in your brain and what it allows to go through and doesn't go through.

01:47:11.000 Spike causes that to become more like an open sieve.

01:47:15.000 So things can go into your brain that shouldn't go into your brain.

01:47:18.000 So that can trigger brain inflammation, and that is the risk that people like Luc Montagnier are concerned about with neurofibrillary tangles, and that's why they talk about prions or Alzheimer's-like symptoms.

01:47:35.000 That's part of what happens when brain gets inflammation because it's got stuff going on in there that it's not supposed to have.

01:47:43.000 Hence the brain fog.

01:47:45.000 The brain fog could be due to microvascular blockade.

01:47:50.000 It could be due to this clamping of blood vessels that I was talking about.

01:47:54.000 It could be due to leaky blood vessels.

01:47:57.000 That's the blood-brain barrier breaching.

01:47:59.000 Hard to say.

01:48:00.000 Multifactorial.

01:48:01.000 All we know is that it's happening.

01:48:03.000 And that's also something that's happening to people with COVID as well.

01:48:05.000 Correct.

01:48:06.000 I've experienced it myself.

01:48:08.000 Okay, when I had, when I wasn't sick.

01:48:11.000 And not only brain fog, you can remember the broadcaster, Kumo, when he had COVID, he was talking about seeing hallucinations.

01:48:24.000 That is a common consequence of primary COVID infection, is not just brain fog, but overt hallucinations.

01:48:33.000 Now, after the vaccines started to be administered, it was a couple months later, I believe, that the Salk Institute published their paper on spike proteins.

01:48:43.000 Right.

01:48:44.000 And I cited that in the Brett Weinstein Dark Horse podcast and was immediately attacked by Reuters for spreading disinformation because I was speaking that the spike protein was a toxin.

01:49:01.000 And that's one of many papers that have come out since then or before.

01:49:07.000 And I didn't say the spike protein on the vaccine.

01:49:11.000 I said the spike protein.

01:49:12.000 And Reuters basically took my words, twisted them, and then attacked me about it.

01:49:16.000 Is the spike protein in the vaccine different than the spike protein in the virus?

01:49:21.000 The answer is yes.

01:49:23.000 In a way that matters is the question.

01:49:27.000 So the difference is, now we're going to get into molecular virology.

01:49:31.000 I'm sorry, but you asked the question.

01:49:34.000 So spike kind of, you can think of it as having a stem part and a head group.

01:49:40.000 You could point to your tie if you're going to stay.

01:49:41.000 And then a, yeah, right, these things sticking out here.

01:49:45.000 But I wanted to illustrate that it also has this little, it's like a catcher's glove that sits on top that is the receptor binding domain.

01:49:53.000 Okay, so it's got these elements that are really important to understand it.

01:49:58.000 And this part of the spike protein that is kind of straight and thin, the stalk, is responsible for the business part of what spike does.

01:50:12.000 Spike causes fusion between the virus and the cell.

01:50:15.000 It's what enables the virus to infect the cell.

01:50:18.000 And it's a complex set of events, and it changes its structure as it goes through those.

01:50:23.000 It's fascinating stuff if you're into this.

01:50:27.000 You can lock it into the pre-fusion Conformation.

01:50:31.000 You can make it so that it will not trigger cell fusion after binding with two little tiny mutations substituting proline in the S2 domain.

01:50:44.000 And that'll make it so that it can never trigger fusion, which is one of the things that it can do to bake toxicity.

01:50:50.000 That has nothing to do with whether or not it can bind ACE2 up here, whether or not that catcher's mint will grab onto ACE2.

01:50:58.000 By the way, SPICE exists as a trimer, like a treble foc, you know, on a fishing lure.

01:51:07.000 So these two mutations are in this S2 domain that's kind of the stem, and it makes it so that it can't fuse.

01:51:17.000 And that's what's in the vaccine.

01:51:19.000 But the rest of the spike is the natural spike.

01:51:22.000 And yes, it does get cut off and it does go in the circulation.

01:51:26.000 That's all been proven.

01:51:27.000 And so what matters about that is all the things I've been talking about, about spike interacting with ACE2 and turning on ACE2, that can all still happen.

01:51:36.000 None of that's changed.

01:51:37.000 Now, one of the attacks that's made against my saying this is, oh no, they engineered spike so that it's non-toxic.

01:51:46.000 That fails two tests.

01:51:48.000 Number one, at the time they did this engineering, I've carefully reviewed the papers.

01:51:55.000 It's all about making it more immunogenic.

01:51:58.000 There is nothing in there about making it less toxic.

01:52:02.000 And by definition, it will make it less toxic as a fusion protein, but it won't do anything about the other parts of SPICE and its activities.

01:52:14.000 Then there is this fundamental logic flaw.

01:52:20.000 In clinical development and non-clinical development and safety and pharmacology, I like to say the French judicial system applies.

01:52:30.000 What that is, is you're guilty until proven innocent.

01:52:35.000 It's the job of the pharmaceutical companies to prove that their engineered spike is safe.

01:52:42.000 They never did that.

01:52:44.000 And so all of this pressure that comes back from folks like me saying, hey, this isn't right, and it looks like a duck and it walks like a duck and it quacks like a duck, it's probably toxic because it's the common variable.

01:52:59.000 I get criticized because, oh, well, prove that it's not safe.

01:53:04.000 I'm sorry.

01:53:05.000 That's not the way it works.

01:53:07.000 It's pharma's job to prove that it is safe, not my job to prove that it's not safe.

01:53:14.000 I'm observing this safety signal.

01:53:17.000 The safety signal is there.

01:53:19.000 It is associated with vectors that express spike, whether it's the vaccine, the virus, or the adenovirus.

01:53:26.000 You know, the mRNA, the virus itself, or the adenoviral vectored spike.

01:53:32.000 Those toxicities are there.

01:53:35.000 And the common variable is the spike protein.

01:53:38.000 So, you know, and then the comment, well, it's not a toxin.

01:53:43.000 I'm kind of in the Forrest Gump school of toxicity.

01:53:48.000 You know, if it causes toxicity, it is, right?

01:53:53.000 It is a toxin by definition.

01:53:56.000 It is, you know, toxin is as a toxin does.

01:54:00.000 And, you know, we can argue about the meaning of toxin, just like so much of the rest of our language has been perverted during this.

01:54:09.000 But the simple explanation, you know, the simple definition is, does it cause toxicity in people?

01:54:16.000 I think the answer is pretty clear now.

01:54:18.000 It does.

01:54:18.000 The question that we're all arguing about is how often and how bad.

01:54:22.000 This is the question.

01:54:23.000 So why do so many people take the vaccine and have no adverse effect at all?

01:54:29.000 Great question.

01:54:30.000 And that is a normal situation in any drug.

01:54:36.000 We talk about bell curves.

01:54:38.000 There's a response curve.

01:54:39.000 Humans are genetically complex and they're phenotypically complex.

01:54:44.000 I am not a judicial champion, right?

01:54:53.000 I am not the same body mass index as I was when I was 25.

01:54:59.000 It seems that the common factor across many people that get both the vaccine adverse events and the disease, and by the way, there's a great paper out that tried to dissect long COVID and differentiate it from post-vaccination syndrome, which is what we're talking about.

01:55:22.000 And they did statistical analysis, large cohort of patients.

01:55:26.000 Basically, they're indistinguishable.

01:55:29.000 Long COVID and post-vaccination syndrome, in terms of the spectrum of the syndrome, their incidence, that kind of stuff, they're indistinguishable.

01:55:38.000 They're the same thing.

01:55:40.000 So why?

01:55:42.000 One of the factors that seems to be common is this kind of hyperglycemic index.

01:55:50.000 People that are not necessarily diabetic, but they may be pre-diabetic, or they have problems with carbohydrate metabolism, or they're eating too many sugars or whatever the thing is, so they've got elevated hemoglobin H1C, etc.

01:56:04.000 People that have high glycemic indices seem to be particularly susceptible to these effects.

01:56:12.000 Now that is a syndrome associated with an inflammatory state in blood vessels.

01:56:18.000 So, you know, what you're asking again and again, because you are who you are, is in plain language, the big, you know, picture issues that are sitting out there that haven't been adequately addressed.

01:56:33.000 Not only haven't been adequately addressed, but when you do address them, you get demonized.

01:56:38.000 Even if you're just asking questions as far as like, what are the numbers?

01:56:42.000 What is the data?

01:56:43.000 Where can I see this data?

01:56:45.000 If you're an academic, you get run out.

01:56:47.000 Yeah.

01:56:48.000 Now, we've talked, I don't want to avoid, you talked about some of the other adverse events, and you started talking about the ones that relate to immune response.

01:56:58.000 Yes.

01:56:59.000 And that is the tip of the iceberg that most people are familiar with is the common, CDC never talks about it, but it's clearly there in the literature, you know, in places, even New England Journal of Medicine, it's clearly there in the VARES database, is latent virus reactivation.

01:57:19.000 And the most obvious one is shingles.

01:57:21.000 I mean, if you get shingles, I've had shingles, it hurts.

01:57:26.000 You don't miss it when you get it.

01:57:28.000 But Epstein-Barr virus, other herpes viruses, cytomegalovirus, what are these all in common?

01:57:36.000 They're latent DNA viruses.

01:57:38.000 Okay, so what?

01:57:40.000 Latent DNA viruses. 0.66

01:57:41.000 Well, we have a bunch of DNA viruses that basically hide inside our body and they are kept suppressed.

01:57:48.000 Matter of fact, there's a whole thread in vaccinology.

01:57:52.000 We talk about immunosenescence, the aging of the immune system.

01:57:56.000 Part of that has to do with the thymus and its shrinking.

01:58:00.000 That's what educates T cells.

01:58:02.000 By the way, that's one of the reasons why children basically shrug this disease off, is they haven't had that thymic involution.

01:58:10.000 But one of the things that happens is your T cells become increasingly focused on suppressing the DNA viruses that we've all been parasitized by, like cytomegalovirus.

01:58:22.000 And so you can watch over time the diversity of T cells in a person's body who's infected by CMV over time as they get older and older, their T cells get more and more and more focused on just trying to keep CMV in the box and not let it out.

01:58:38.000 So when we see DNA viruses, you know, Pandora's box is opening and they're jumping out of there, okay, well the thing that keeps Pandora's box closed is T cell responses.

01:58:51.000 And then we have, you know, I hope someday you get a chance to have Ryan Cole on, pathologist, deep understanding of this.

01:59:00.000 As he points out, he's seeing referrals from oncologists of cancers that are unusual.

01:59:09.000 They're occurring early.

01:59:11.000 They're behaving irregularly.

01:59:13.000 They're behaving very aggressively.

01:59:15.000 Now, right now, this is still anecdotal.

01:59:17.000 I don't want to get the audience all wound up.

01:59:19.000 We're all going to die of cancer.

01:59:20.000 No, Dr. Malone is not saying we're all going to die of cancer.

01:59:25.000 But this is another of those little uh-ohs because the thing that keeps cancer suppressed is T cells.

01:59:34.000 Then we have the laboratory data that we're seeing abnormalities in the key signaling molecules that T cells use to talk to each other, tolec receptors, that are associated, particularly with the mRNA vaccines.

01:59:50.000 So something is happening, okay, that is causing release of T cell suppression, reactivation of latent DNA viruses, maybe some signals relating to oncology, some changes in T cell signaling behavior.

02:00:09.000 And then there's this increasing awareness that there's some window of time, not sure how long, after vaccination when you're actually more susceptible to infection.

02:00:24.000 And this may have something to do, so not only is the vaccine efficacy waning, but the multiple JAB strategy is actually creating more and more windows where people have this period of T cell suppression.

02:00:39.000 So there's a whole lot in this box of immunology and what are the JABs doing to our immune system and how long does it last that is, let's say, gently, a little worrisome to some of us that have a background in these things.

02:00:54.000 This T cell suppression, are there any studies on the amount of time that it takes before your system rebalances itself post-JAB?

02:01:04.000 I haven't seen that.

02:01:05.000 Is it a cumulative?

02:01:06.000 Like if you're dealing with three shots or four shots?

02:01:13.000 This is the obscenity for me of this whole, well, we're going to give four shots because we don't really know, but we know we need to do something.

02:01:23.000 I like to talk about the metaphor as a father.

02:01:26.000 I don't know if you've had kids.

02:01:27.000 I'm a grandfather.

02:01:30.000 You give a three-year-old a hammer and everything becomes a nail.

02:01:34.000 That's kind of a simple way of saying people that aren't well trained, given a powerful technology or tool, will abuse it and overuse it.

02:01:44.000 In this case, there's multiple reasons not to do the multiple jabs.

02:01:49.000 The simplest one for everybody to understand is when your son develops seasonal allergies to ragwig pollen or whatever, and it's so bad that he can't go to school, his eyes are running, he can't play in sports, whatever, you're like, oh, we've got to do something about this.

02:02:05.000 I'm going to take him to rheumatologist, an allergist, and see what they can do.

02:02:09.000 Well, they do a bunch of tests and they say, oh, your son is allergic to ragwig pollen or whatever the thing is.

02:02:15.000 Okay, what do they do?

02:02:16.000 Well, they give him shots.

02:02:19.000 What are those shots?

02:02:21.000 They're high doses of antigen that are administered repeatedly to your child.

02:02:28.000 And what it does is induces something that as immunologists, we call hizone tolerance.

02:02:34.000 Hyzone tolerance basically amounts to an ability by giving multiple injections at high levels of antigen to shut down T cells against in an antigen-specific fashion.

02:02:48.000 So there's that.

02:02:50.000 The other thing with the multiple jabs is that these are multiple jabs that are mismatched.

02:02:56.000 They don't fit.

02:02:58.000 Can I pause you for a second there before you continue?

02:03:00.000 So you're saying that by, like if someone is allergic to things and they go to an allergist and they start getting shots, those shots shut down T cell response?

02:03:10.000 Correct.

02:03:10.000 So those shots, by doing so and shutting down T cell response, the idea is that it kicks your immune system in and it's supposed to fight off these things?

02:03:18.000 No.

02:03:19.000 Does it make you more vulnerable to other diseases?

02:03:22.000 Because they're using that antigen, the ragweed pollen, it's causing deletion or downeregulation of the T memory population responsible for responding to Ragweed pollen.

02:03:34.000 So, what it's doing is selectively shutting down the T response against that antigen.

02:03:42.000 But what about everything else?

02:03:44.000 No, it won't affect it.

02:03:46.000 No.

02:03:46.000 I won't say it won't affect it, but the effect on the overall immune response is negligible in that this is done clinically routinely.

02:03:55.000 Okay.

02:03:56.000 Okay.

02:03:57.000 So there's those two things.

02:04:00.000 There's this short-term issue.

02:04:02.000 We don't know how long it lasts.

02:04:04.000 There's the high zone tolerance issue.

02:04:09.000 And then there is with the multiple jabs that are mismatched for the current circulating virus.

02:04:14.000 That's akin to repeatedly taking a flu vaccine from two seasons ago and hoping it's going to protect against this flu.

02:04:21.000 Well, that's one of the more confusing things about this push for people to get boosted now with Omicron, because they keep saying with Omicron, we need to get.

02:04:35.000 Yeah.

02:04:36.000 Among other things.

02:04:37.000 So do you want to open that can of Omicron?

02:04:41.000 Well, I want to, what we know so far is, at least Peter McCullough said this, and I believe several other people have said this as well, that the immunity that you may have had to the alpha variant or the delta variant, it does not seem to work very well against Omicron.

02:04:59.000 That's true.

02:05:00.000 Nor does the immunity imparted by vaccines.

02:05:03.000 By the way, since we're down this little rabbit hole, let me just say one thing.

02:05:07.000 Peter called me and he said, Robert, make sure you talk to Joe and make it clear that although I spoke clearly and forcefully about one and done when I was on his show, that was before Omicron.

02:05:20.000 Yeah.

02:05:21.000 And so Peter wanted me to make sure that your audience knew.

02:05:24.000 No, yes, we've actually talked about that because I have several friends right now that have tested positive for COVID for a second time.

02:05:32.000 And that is post that podcast with him.

02:05:35.000 He was pretty sure that if you got Delta, you would never get it again.

02:05:39.000 But I know people that have had, honestly, I don't know anybody who had Delta, which was the last phase.

02:05:46.000 I know people who had the original version of COVID who have now gotten Omicron.

02:05:51.000 And in my case, I had the original Wuhan strain, and I got infected with Delta, and I had disease for about three days.

02:05:58.000 And that's after taking the two jabs.

02:06:01.000 Wow.

02:06:02.000 So, yeah.

02:06:03.000 And then how far after taking the two jabs was it?

02:06:06.000 About four months.

02:06:07.000 Four months.

02:06:08.000 Yeah, four or five months.

02:06:08.000 So that's still inside the window of efficacy.

02:06:11.000 That window of efficacy seems to keep shrinking.

02:06:15.000 Yeah.

02:06:16.000 So that's another thing.

02:06:17.000 Oh, that is another thing.

02:06:18.000 And when you were vaccinated post-your infection, how long after your infection were you vaccinated?

02:06:26.000 Oh.

02:06:28.000 So you were infected by COVID early on for nine months.

02:06:32.000 But you still had a horrible reaction to it.

02:06:34.000 Totally.

02:06:35.000 And then even that, this is pure speculation.

02:06:41.000 The waning efficacy of the vaccine, does that have an effect on your natural immunity, the natural immunity that you've had?

02:06:51.000 So you're now opening up the big, big can of WIPS.

02:06:57.000 Is that ADE?

02:06:59.000 ADE, so that's a whole nother rabbit hole, and I like to call it vaccine-enhanced infection or disease, because ADE is just one subset of that.

02:07:08.000 But there is signs in some data, and we were talking about this just before the broadcast, from Denmark, among other places, of negative efficacy against Omicron as a function of the number of vaccinations up to three.

02:07:31.000 So negative efficacy Negative efficacy means your probability of being infected is higher if you've taken the vaccine.

02:07:43.000 And it's compared to unvaccinated, it seems to be somewhat higher if you've had one jab, even worse, even more likely to get infected if you've had two jabs, even more likely to get infected if you've had three jabs.

02:07:59.000 Now, don't jump straight to ADE because the problem, just to illustrate this confounding variable problem, which is what all the statisticians argue about endlessly, is that there's all kinds of things that can complicate this interpretation.

02:08:18.000 I'm going to give you the simple one.

02:08:20.000 If somebody feels that they're fully vaxed and they're living, you know, they're a young person in Denmark or whatever, in Europe, okay, they're more likely to go engage in risky behaviors, such as maybe they're going to go out clubbing.

02:08:35.000 Whereas before they may have said, no, I'm not going to go out clubbing.

02:08:38.000 Are you crazy?

02:08:38.000 Now they feel like they're Superman.

02:08:40.000 They've got a shield.

02:08:41.000 And so they engage in more risky behaviors.

02:08:44.000 And so there's an example of a confounding variable, one of many.

02:08:48.000 So that's the, I want to caution that I'm not saying that this shows that we're having vaccine-enhanced infection.

02:08:57.000 I'm saying that this is a risk which the FDA knew about, explicitly identified, told the vaccine manufacturers they should set up studies to detect whether or not it's happening, but didn't force them to do it.

02:09:14.000 This is another one of the huge FDA fails here.

02:09:17.000 They had the right and responsibility to ensure that we had good data about this, and they took a pass.

02:09:24.000 They said, vaccine manufacturer, we think you should do this, but, you know, it's optional.

02:09:30.000 And so they never did it.

02:09:31.000 No surprise.

02:09:33.000 That's like first rule of clinical development when you're in big pharma.

02:09:37.000 You never ask a question that you don't want to know the answer to unless you're absolutely forced to do it.

02:09:43.000 That's why the FDA is supposed to do its job. 0.85

02:09:46.000 But in this case, with enhanced disease, a known risk of all prior coronavirus vaccine development efforts, including veterinary, chronic complication with those efforts, the reason why I focused on drug repurposing instead of vaccine development at the start of the outbreak when I got the call from Michael Callahan.

02:10:10.000 I said, hmm, past history, ADE, hmm, this is going to take a long time.

02:10:15.000 We're going to need drugs.

02:10:16.000 Best way we can get drugs is drug repurposing.

02:10:19.000 Yay.

02:10:20.000 And then I got my team to focus on that.

02:10:21.000 That's why we did that.

02:10:24.000 So FDA has known that this is a risk.

02:10:28.000 All the vaccinologists know it's a risk.

02:10:30.000 It's in the literature.

02:10:32.000 We've all been kind of watching carefully, at least I have, is this risk going to manifest?

02:10:39.000 Can I pause you for a second?

02:10:41.000 When you're saying statistically, it seems that one jab makes you more likely to get Omicron than unvaccinated, two jabs even more so, three jabs more so.

02:10:54.000 Where is this data?

02:10:56.000 It's coming, it's a series of analyses.

02:10:59.000 There's a really active group of biostatisticians worldwide right now that are picking apart the primary data that's coming out.

02:11:08.000 There was a paper that was published from the Netherlands, as I recall, that had, or it was a publication, official publication by the government that had the primary data, and then this primary data has been analyzed, reanalyzed, discussed on Substack, blah, blah, blah, torn apart and rebuilt.

02:11:30.000 Now we put out a Substack statement that summarizes some of this that you can easily find from us, but it's an ongoing debate.

02:11:39.000 But the effect size is now what the statisticians are arguing about is, well, whether or not they had the right number for the denominator of total cases.

02:11:51.000 This gets back to my point that the databases are all contaminated because the incidence of the virus in the population is a function of testing.

02:12:04.000 In other words, you don't look for it, you don't see it, then you assume you're not having it.

02:12:08.000 And in the Netherlands, they have one of the best testing systems.

02:12:11.000 So they are rigorously testing everybody for whether or not they're getting the virus.

02:12:15.000 And so those numbers are a little, you know, sketchy.

02:12:20.000 And that's what everybody's arguing about is should we be looking at only the 12 and above cohort?

02:12:26.000 You know, it's all, this is, but the effect size is so large that it's, we can, we can argue about these confounding variables until the cows come home, but it's a big effect.

02:12:40.000 It's going to be hard to account for, otherwise.

02:12:42.000 It is not in peer-reviewed publications.

02:12:44.000 This kind of stuff is wicked hard to publish these days, and it takes months.

02:12:51.000 So would the assumption be that there's something that's happening to people that are vaccinated where it makes them more susceptible to this particular strain of COVID because this particular strain of COVID, this Omicron, is a vaccine escape variant, meaning that it sort of tried to find its way around the protection of the vaccine.

02:13:14.000 So now you're trying...

02:13:15.000 elected for that?

02:13:16.000 So now you're trying to impose a high...

02:13:24.000 And one of many possible hypotheses.

02:13:27.000 And so in a world, a proper world, where we are allowed to debate these things and do these kinds of studies and examine these kinds of variables without being in social media, we would have a very active discussion about this hypothesis and many others.

02:13:44.000 Now, that's my way of not answering your question.

02:13:48.000 I understand.

02:13:49.000 Well, is there a mechanism that would point to one of two things, whether it is a decrease in an immune response of a person who's been vaccinated or some opportunity?

02:14:03.000 So let me throw out, so you just hit, let me go down the rabbit hole of that first comment you made, okay?

02:14:09.000 So what we're doing is with administering a mismatched vaccine is we're driving the effector and memory cells, B and T, towards a population that is focused on a virus that no longer exists.

02:14:27.000 So it's not, in immune response, you don't get everything.

02:14:34.000 And with what I think, you know, you didn't ask me the question, but I'm going to answer it anyhow.

02:14:41.000 What is your hypotheses for the poor durability of the vaccines?

02:14:45.000 My answer is it looks to me like original antigenic sin.

02:14:50.000 Well, that's kind of a cool terminology.

02:14:52.000 What that means.

02:14:54.000 Let's unpack original antigenic sin.

02:14:56.000 And I think what could be happening with these data, as you're just following your hypothesis you just shared, consistent with that, is that we're driving the immune response towards responding to an antigen, the receptor binding domain, a spike, that no longer exists with Omicron.

02:15:19.000 Now, it has become clear, it was initially denied, but it's become clear that all of us have a background immune response against beta coronaviruses.

02:15:31.000 These are naturally circulating cold coronaviruses that have significant immunologic cross-reactivity with SARS-CoV-2.

02:15:41.000 And the problem with that and original antigenic sin is that those existing memory cells will dominate the immune response when you get infected and when you get vaccinated.

02:15:55.000 Now, let me unpack that in a way that kind of makes sense for the common person.

02:15:59.000 We all know that, well, in war, the homily is, we're always best prepared for the last war.

02:16:10.000 In your life, the sum of your prior life experiences biases how you respond to, I mean, in your martial arts, you must know this, right?

02:16:23.000 Deeply.

02:16:24.000 What you've experienced in the past in prior fights is going to bias how you respond to a new opponent.

02:16:32.000 Same happens with your immune system.

02:16:34.000 Does that make sense?

02:16:35.000 Yes.

02:16:36.000 Okay?

02:16:36.000 Super.

02:16:37.000 You now understand original antigenic sin because the prior exposure of your immune system to an antigen that is closely related to a new antigen.

02:16:48.000 You know, if you are having martial art competition with a person of a certain ethnic background or physical characteristics or whatever, and they have certain strategies that they use, the next time you encounter somebody that looks like that and seems to move like that, you're going to say, oh, they're going to use the same kind of strategies.

02:17:13.000 Your immune system acts the same way with viruses.

02:17:16.000 And it could be that they've got a whole different toolkit, and you're busy fighting this war, and they come in and, boom, you're dead, right?

02:17:24.000 Same kind of thing.

02:17:26.000 So we've got a new pathogen, but it's got a series of overlaps with the old ones that we've seen before.

02:17:33.000 And our immune system is biased to respond as if it's the old one.

02:17:38.000 Now, to make matters worse, we're taking the spike protein, only one of the proteins, the dominant, immunologically dominant protein, and we're jabbing everybody multiple times and driving memory cells and effector cells that are to a virus that is not the one we're encountering.

02:18:00.000 So it could very well be that as you're taking more jabs, you're further skewing your immune response in a way that's dysfunctional for infection to Omicron compared to somebody that is immunologically naive.

02:18:17.000 They only have, presumably, they've either recovered from an earlier, because we've got to remember the baseline group, the non-vaccinated group, is actually complicated because it's got those that haven't had the virus before, but they've had beta coronaviruses, and those that have had a prior infection and are naturally immune.

02:18:37.000 So you can appreciate that looking at these things kind of gets squirrely.

02:18:42.000 There's a lot of moving parts, but when you see a signal this strong, it's saying something's going on.

02:18:50.000 You ought to pay attention to it, in my opinion.

02:18:54.000 What is the difference between the spike protein that's generated from the injection of the vaccine versus all of the variables that your body encounters when it's been infected by COVID?

02:19:10.000 That is another brilliant question.

02:19:12.000 I'm not saying this to butter you up.

02:19:16.000 And thank you for asking it.

02:19:19.000 So it was a very broad question.

02:19:24.000 And this is a peel the onion layers situation.

02:19:29.000 I mean, you said, what are the differences?

02:19:31.000 Let's start at a high level.

02:19:33.000 When you get infected, or I get infected, it's typically nasal or oropharynx.

02:19:39.000 It's coming in through the mucosal membranes of your head.

02:19:46.000 And by the way, that's one of the other things that's kind of cool about Omicron in a good way, is that the prior strains infect mostly deep lung.

02:19:56.000 And there's really fascinating data from Hong Kong suggesting that Omicron is infecting upper airway more.

02:20:03.000 That is a characteristic of less pathogenic influenza viruses.

02:20:08.000 And hopefully, what we know about Omicron is even though it's more infectious and replicates the higher levels, it's less pathogenic.

02:20:16.000 It's a paradox.

02:20:17.000 Well, that could explain it.

02:20:18.000 Okay, so there may be some good news in Omicron.

02:20:21.000 But getting back to your question, when you take the jab, you get a, I don't know how to say it, a spike of spike.

02:20:30.000 You get a bolus, a peak, fairly rapidly, of this viral protein.

02:20:37.000 And it's in your body, and it's circulating in your blood.

02:20:42.000 We know that.

02:20:42.000 There's a Harvard study, Brigham and Women's, nurses, spike protein circulation after vaccination.

02:20:49.000 Can I pause you one second?

02:20:52.000 When you test for COVID, you go in through the nose.

02:20:58.000 If someone is getting Omicron, are they less likely to test positive because you're swabbing their nose?

02:21:06.000 No.

02:21:06.000 More.

02:21:07.000 All of these are initially coming in here.

02:21:09.000 So it still would exist in the nose, even though it's affecting the back of the throat.

02:21:13.000 It seems to be, well, it's clearly producing equal or higher levels.

02:21:18.000 Delta was significantly higher in the nose by PCR with all of the caveats about the problems with that cycle number.

02:21:27.000 And Omicron seems to be even higher, significantly higher.

02:21:31.000 Okay.

02:21:32.000 So hits your nose, and then it goes down.

02:21:34.000 Okay.

02:21:35.000 And it's affecting the throat for some reason.

02:21:38.000 A lot of the people that I know that got Omicron had a throatache, a soreness of the throat before.

02:21:44.000 That is paradoxically really good news.

02:21:47.000 By the way, that's called primary data, anecdotal primary data, but it beats modeling data from the CDC, which is what the New York Times has been reporting, that we're all have, by this point, we're all supposed to have 70 or 80 percent of all the virus in the United States is supposed to be Omicron.

02:22:03.000 That is based on what is now known to be erroneous modeling.

02:22:08.000 And all of us that were inside, when we saw this come out, we knew the group in the UK that did the modeling.

02:22:15.000 And we were like, oh, these guys have over-promised.

02:22:18.000 They have basically put out scare modeling all the way through this outbreak.

02:22:22.000 And we should take this with a grain of salt.

02:22:24.000 And now the press is all backpedaling, and the CDC is backpedaling, saying, oh, I think we got it wrong.

02:22:31.000 And there's still a lot of delta in the population.

02:22:34.000 But, you know, your buddies, if it's circulating here in Austin and you're hearing people that are having more of the sore throat and runny nose and less of the, my chest is burning, and I've lost taste and smell, okay, that's just to kind of open that up a little bit.

02:22:55.000 With H1N1 influenza, just to take one example, we have high pathogenicity and low pathogenicity versions of H1N1.

02:23:04.000 What that means is some of them will kill you and some of them won't, more or less.

02:23:11.000 the difference seems to be the virus, the receptor, the nuances of the receptor that the virus is hitting and using to initially infect cells.

02:23:23.000 And the low pathogenicity H1N1s infect the upper airway.

02:23:30.000 And the high-pathogenicity H1N1s infect the deep lung.

02:23:34.000 The prior SARS-CoV-1s have been hit in deep lung.

02:23:39.000 So this report that you're giving me from your buddies that you think is probably Omicron is consistent with the Hong Kong data.

02:23:48.000 And it all fits into a box.

02:23:50.000 And we know from South Africa for sure that Omicron, and WHO made the statement there are no known deaths associated with Omicron in the world.

02:24:00.000 Now, there may be a couple somewhere.

02:24:02.000 I thought it was just the United States.

02:24:03.000 I didn't know they were saying for the world.

02:24:05.000 Yeah.

02:24:05.000 Because there was a, we just read something that said there were several that were associated.

02:24:11.000 Now, there's, as I said, over time, there will be deaths associated.

02:24:17.000 Remember we talked about the difference between causal and association?

02:24:20.000 Yeah.

02:24:21.000 And also the fact that 95% of the people who have died from COVID had an average of four comorbidities.

02:24:21.000 Okay.

02:24:28.000 Yeah.

02:24:28.000 You're on it.

02:24:29.000 So and now it's been documented at least two cases when there were reported deaths from Omicron, and people actually went back.

02:24:40.000 They got picked up in the legacy media and circulated as, oh my God, it's going to kill us again, more fear porn.

02:24:47.000 Then people went again like they did with the ivermectin story, remember, about the hospital that was all full of ivermectin toxicity, and then someone bothered to call the hospital.

02:24:55.000 Same story.

02:24:57.000 Sorry.

02:24:57.000 Nope, those weren't Omicron deaths.

02:25:00.000 Just something that got reported and amplified in the legacy media.

02:25:03.000 So regardless, the mortality of Omicron is remarkably low.

02:25:09.000 I think we can all agree on that.

02:25:11.000 It's essentially like a cold.

02:25:13.000 That's the list of symptoms from Omicron published in Nature, I think, recently, pretty much 100% overlap with common cold.

02:25:23.000 And there are coronaviruses that are common colds.

02:25:26.000 That's the beta coronaviruses that I was talking about when I was talking about original antigenic sin.

02:25:30.000 So if you test positive for the common cold, do you test positive for a coronavirus?

02:25:36.000 Like if you take a COVID test.

02:25:38.000 The common cold is a, and generally that's not tested.

02:25:42.000 Is it common?

02:25:43.000 No, it's a grab bag of stuff.

02:25:46.000 Right.

02:25:46.000 Okay, it's rhinoviruses, it's coronaviruses, it's influenza, you know, it's a lot of things.

02:25:53.000 There's a lot of respiratory viruses that are floating around.

02:25:56.000 But getting back on track with Omicron, it is absolutely looking like Omicron is a mild variant.

02:26:07.000 It is absolutely able to escape prior vaccination, the control of prior vaccination, typically with mismatched vaccine.

02:26:21.000 It seems to be also able to infect a subset of people that are naturally immune, probably less than the subset that get infected with vaccination.

02:26:34.000 And this is a kind of a key message to your audience.

02:26:38.000 The reproductive coefficient, that's more fancy language, the reproductive coefficient, but many of your audience is going to know that, that's the R0.

02:26:49.000 The R0 of the original strain, Wuhan strain, was about 2 to 3.

02:26:53.000 That means that if I'm infected, on average, without any other interventions, I'll infect 2 to 3 other people.

02:27:01.000 And for Delta, the R0 was more in the range of 5 to 6.

02:27:07.000 If I'm infected, no vaccination, no social distancing, no masking, blah, blah, blah.

02:27:12.000 The average rate of transmission would be I would infect five or six people.

02:27:17.000 In the case of Omicron, the R0, the base reproduction coefficient, is in the range of 7 to 10.

02:27:25.000 That is a wicked high.

02:27:28.000 That is measles territory.

02:27:31.000 What that means, I'm going to translate that into simple language.

02:27:35.000 We are all going to get infected.

02:27:37.000 Whether you use masks or not, use social distancing or not, unless you're going to go live on the Mir Trail and not talk to anybody when you pass them, you're going to get infected.

02:27:48.000 So this gets to the key point.

02:27:51.000 You know, find a doc that'll administer early treatments.

02:27:56.000 And you know what they are.

02:27:59.000 And you just had the expert on Peter McCullough.

02:28:01.000 It's incredibly difficult to get the stuff now.

02:28:04.000 That's what's incredible.

02:28:05.000 And then, as if that isn't bad enough, we've got the federal government monking around with availability of the monoclonal antibodies.

02:28:15.000 That was the next thing I was going to ask you about.

02:28:17.000 Why would they do that when, what is the percentage of Delta versus Omicron out there, and how do we know?

02:28:23.000 So here, I just alluded to that a minute ago, and this is another fascinating story, and it's kind of being covered up.

02:28:29.000 It's starting to be covered by the press, but they're not going back to the cause.

02:28:34.000 Remember I said that there was a group in the UK, Imperial College, didn't give the specifics before, but there's a group in the UK that does modeling.

02:28:44.000 And they came out with some modeling projections that basically the entire UK hospital system was going to be inundated with Omicron shortly, basically Christmas time.

02:28:55.000 And a lot of us looked at that and went, yeah, those are the same guys that have predicted that we're going to have millions and millions and millions of dead and there are going to be bodies stacked up in coolers in the UK.

02:29:09.000 And it sure looks like they may have overshot again.

02:29:12.000 The CDC seems to have taken those modeling projections and those models and they put out, you remember in mid-December, right before Christmas, Merry Christmas.

02:29:23.000 Oh, you're all going to get infected by COVID and it's going to sweep through and we're going to have 80% of COVID by this time of this month.

02:29:31.000 Well, how about that ridiculous press release from the White House that said we're the winner of the unvaccinated death, experience a winner of death and overwhelming hospitalizations?

02:29:45.000 All I can say is that the political genius behind that should be taken out behind in the woodshed and given a good whooping because that was just horrible political messaging.

02:29:56.000 It's horrible and in terms of Omicron, so inaccurate.

02:29:56.000 I contrast.

02:30:00.000 Yeah.

02:30:01.000 But it doesn't matter.

02:30:02.000 And that's the core thing of this chronic angst of what the heck is going on?

02:30:11.000 This doesn't make any sense at all.

02:30:14.000 You know, I don't want to get too off your topic, but our government is out of control on this, and they are lawless.

02:30:27.000 They completely disregard bioethics.

02:30:30.000 They completely disregard the federal common rule.

02:30:34.000 They have broken all the rules that I know of, that I've been trained on for years and years and years.

02:30:40.000 These mandates of an experimental vaccine are explicitly illegal.

02:30:46.000 They are explicitly inconsistent with the Nuremberg Code.

02:30:50.000 They are explicitly inconsistent with the Belmont Report.

02:30:54.000 They are flat out illegal and they don't care.

02:30:57.000 And the only thing standing between us, and it's too late for many of our colleagues, including my, you know, the unfortunate colleagues in the DOD, hopefully we're going to be able to stop them before they take our kids.

02:31:11.000 What's wrong?

02:31:12.000 What do you mean by the DOD?

02:31:14.000 The mandated vaccines for everyone.

02:31:15.000 They're mandated for everyone in the DOD?

02:31:18.000 Yeah.

02:31:20.000 So what's going on in the White House is a whole other hour's talk.

02:31:28.000 I'm sure it is.

02:31:28.000 Yeah.

02:31:30.000 Back to Omicron and Delta.

02:31:33.000 How do we know?

02:31:34.000 Like, when you get tested, like when I was tested and I came out positive for COVID, I have no idea what I got.

02:31:41.000 I assume it was Delta because that's what I'd heard was going around.

02:31:44.000 But when they release these numbers, where are they getting that data from?

02:31:48.000 So in terms of this specific one, I'm sorry I got off track.

02:31:51.000 So we're talking about Imperial College modeling, and the CDC seemed to have picked up on that.

02:31:57.000 And the last data they had, it's actually Peter that sent me the data.

02:32:01.000 We did a podcast about it.

02:32:04.000 So he sent me the modeling data, and he sent me the documentation that the modeling data that the CDC was putting out in the New York Times and the press and all amplified, you know, when we all said, oh, we're going to have 70 or 80 percent Omicron in the population by this time of this year.

02:32:24.000 The only actual data they had was up to about December 4th, as I recall.

02:32:29.000 And it showed only a tiny fraction of Omicron in the population.

02:32:32.000 But then they applied their mathematical models that they apparently got from Imperial College, and they said, oh, the curve is going to look like this, and therefore that's where we're going to be at this point in time, and therefore we're going to have 70% infection.

02:32:45.000 And the press all picked it up, and they just assumed that that was based on real data, not modeled data.

02:32:53.000 What I'm hearing from docs in the field again and again, and I had a bunch of people call me before I came on your show.

02:32:59.000 Everybody was like, Robert, say this to Joe.

02:33:03.000 But you're so important that everybody wants to get their angle in.

02:33:08.000 But what I'm hearing in the field is that Delta is still dominant.

02:33:14.000 And these are hospitalists and people treating disease.

02:33:18.000 And so they're seeing a skewed population.

02:33:21.000 But it's important to remember that when the CDC says those kinds of numbers, they're talking about incidents.

02:33:29.000 That is the moment, you know, how many have actually been infected at that slice of time.

02:33:34.000 But what you see in the hospitals, and this is something the press misses all the time.

02:33:39.000 So they do, like you're hearing all this fear porn about how the hospitals have filled up in New York City and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:33:50.000 Omicron causes a short-term limited illness.

02:33:54.000 Delta is wicked bad.

02:33:56.000 And it puts you in the hospital.

02:33:57.000 When it puts you in the hospital, you can be there for a month to two months.

02:34:03.000 What you're seeing in hospitalized cases right now appears to be dominantly Delta because the CDC overestimate the fraction of the population that was, they overestimated how aggressively Omicron was going to move into the U.S. population.

02:34:21.000 Maybe that means our social distancing and masking is working.

02:34:24.000 I don't know.

02:34:25.000 But it's not moving in as fast as they had been projecting.

02:34:29.000 And the bulk of the disease that the docs that I'm talking to are seeing in hospitals appears to be Delta.

02:34:36.000 Well, wouldn't that be because the people that are catching Delta are the ones that need to be hospitalized as the people that are catching Omicron that don't need to be hospitalized.

02:34:44.000 But here's the rub.

02:34:45.000 And I'm looping back now to your antibody point, okay, is the geniuses in our public health system said, oh no, Omicron, based on this modeling data, is going to be moving into the population.

02:35:00.000 It's going to dominate things.

02:35:01.000 We need to pull the monoclonals that are delta-specific and only administer, only allow people to use the monoclonals that are Omicron specific because it's going to drive further evolution otherwise.

02:35:14.000 I guess that's their logic.

02:35:16.000 But I haven't heard that logic at all.

02:35:17.000 All I've heard is that the monoclonal antibodies are ineffective against Omicron.

02:35:23.000 You're saying the same thing.

02:35:24.000 But I've never seen any data that the monoclonal antibodies are.

02:35:27.000 There are data that it's in peer-reviewed literature now.

02:35:31.000 That it's ineffective against Omicron.

02:35:33.000 I wouldn't say ineffective, less effective based on laboratory neutralization assays.

02:35:38.000 So in vitro?

02:35:39.000 Correct.

02:35:40.000 Okay.

02:35:41.000 Okay.

02:35:42.000 So, you know, Joe Lapido, Surgeon General in the state of Florida, has put out public statements now on, I think it's Twitter, among other things, saying, decrying what the federal government has done of pulling all of the regular monoclonals.

02:36:00.000 What I'm hearing from frontline docs is those older Regeneron monoclonals, et cetera, are still very effective in their hospitalized population, presumably because it's still predominantly Delta, and yet they're no longer able to get it.

02:36:17.000 So the government has literally stopped the distribution of medicine, effective medicine, for a disease that exists currently.

02:36:27.000 When has that ever happened before?

02:36:29.000 Hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin.

02:36:31.000 Yeah, but in this level, hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin were off-label uses.

02:36:38.000 This is something that has emergency use authorization.

02:36:42.000 One label, yeah.

02:36:44.000 This is wild.

02:36:45.000 It is, are they brain dead?

02:36:48.000 Are they trying to just encourage vaccination?

02:36:53.000 Is that what all it is?

02:36:54.000 Is this a money grab?

02:36:55.000 Okay.

02:36:56.000 So here's another version.

02:36:56.000 What is that?

02:37:01.000 I mean, when you see this kind of decoupling of public policy from logic, then it causes thinking people like yourself to say, what the hell's going on here?

02:37:15.000 Right?

02:37:16.000 And then we go down the rabbit hole, is it this, that, or the other thing?

02:37:20.000 One of the things in that spectrum of what's going on is that the emergency use authorizations are predicated on policy determinations that were in a state of emergency.

02:37:39.000 Those are now two years old.

02:37:41.000 They're expiring.

02:37:45.000 There is, I'm not saying this is what's going on in their head, but there is another perverse incentive here to amplify the fear porn and to amplify if you buy into the hypothesis that for some reason there are incentives for the government to maintain the state of emergency,

02:38:12.000 that is one explanation given that those declarations are expiring and will have to be re-implemented.

02:38:21.000 Because if they're not, then all of this emergency use authorization vanishes like dust.

02:38:28.000 So are you saying, are you implying that perhaps one of the reasons why they're removing monoclonal antibodies is to enhance the amount of people that are sick?

02:38:40.000 I'm saying it is in the spectrum of the range of possible, just the same as the withholding of early treatments is inexplicable.

02:38:50.000 And this is inexplicable in that we know that they're very effective.

02:38:53.000 I have personal evidence that they're very effective.

02:38:55.000 They work great on me.

02:38:57.000 The fact that they're removing this and that you would even consider that the reason why they're doing it is to extend the emergency use authorization is that's insane.

02:39:10.000 That's terrifying.

02:39:11.000 It's hard for me to reconcile the behavior of the government and its public health decisions with the data.

02:39:21.000 And it's like there's two bins.

02:39:26.000 Is it incompetence or is it malevolence?

02:39:34.000 Is there some ulterior political motive or are they just dumb stupid?

02:39:40.000 If there's some political motive, if that's written anywhere, someone's going to jail.

02:39:45.000 I mean, if that comes out, if that somehow or another gets leaked, Jesus fucking Christ, that's scary.

02:39:51.000 Well, there's, you know, so I wish it was so.

02:39:56.000 I wish it was so, too.

02:39:57.000 I'm saying that, and I might be completely wrong.

02:39:59.000 I mean, totally naive.

02:40:01.000 The lab leak.

02:40:02.000 Yeah.

02:40:05.000 For me, the disclosure of emails that Cliff Lane, Tony Fauci, and Francis Collins actively conspired to destroy any discussion of the appropriateness of lockdown strategies, and the mainstream press hardly covers it, and there are no consequences.

02:40:32.000 The document trail having to do with the gain of function research and the implication of NIH, and by the way, DITRA in that, having absolutely no consequences for anybody.

02:40:48.000 We're in an environment in which truth and consequences are fungible.

02:40:54.000 This is modern media management and warfare.

02:40:58.000 The truth is what those that are managing the Trusted News Initiative say it is.

02:41:08.000 That is wild.

02:41:10.000 And for me personally, it's so confusing that I find myself in a situation where I feel compelled to have people like you on because I don't know where else this is going to get out.

02:41:23.000 So thank you.

02:41:28.000 On behalf of, you know, in my case, I'm the president of the International Alliance of Physicians and Scientists.

02:41:35.000 We are over 16,000 people from all over the world, physicians and scientists.

02:41:40.000 And you can find our website at www.globalcovidsummit.org.

02:41:49.000 We are gobsmacked about what's going on.

02:41:53.000 And we are shut down, censored, demeaned, fill in the blank all over the world.

02:42:00.000 And over a period of two years, the world's completely changed in that regard.

02:42:03.000 And they're taking our licenses and license to practice medicine because we are speaking about these matters.

02:42:12.000 And you can label me however you want to label me.

02:42:15.000 I don't care.

02:42:16.000 I've done what I've done in my career.

02:42:18.000 I'm at a stage at 62 years old.

02:42:20.000 I've got a farm.

02:42:21.000 It's almost paid off.

02:42:22.000 I raise horses.

02:42:24.000 I love my wife.

02:42:25.000 You know, I've been married a long time.

02:42:27.000 My kids are both married.

02:42:28.000 I got grandkids.

02:42:30.000 You know, I don't need this.

02:42:33.000 There's this claim I'm doing all this because I seek attention.

02:42:36.000 Trust me, this is not a fun thing to be doing at this stage.

02:42:42.000 Physicians at FLCC in senior positions, highly like Peter McCullough, people at the culmination of exceptional careers.

02:42:56.000 Paul Merrick, an exceptional physician by any standards, run out of his hospital, demeaned, destroyed, actively attacked, trying to take his license.

02:43:13.000 Medicine is being destroyed globally.

02:43:16.000 People are losing faith in the whole system.

02:43:20.000 They're losing faith in the scientific enterprise.

02:43:23.000 They're losing faith in our government.

02:43:25.000 They're losing faith in the vaccine enterprise.

02:43:28.000 I mean, what is going to be the long-term consequences of public health when you have a large fraction of the population who wasn't anti-vax or that pejorative before that are now saying, oh my God, if this is how these people make decisions, I don't want anything to do with it.

02:43:45.000 I certainly don't want it jabbed into my kid.

02:43:47.000 Well, that's one of the more disturbing things, the opposite of that, is one of the more disturbing things about this pandemic is how people have just decided, because they're scared and because they want a solution, that the pharmaceutical companies have their best interests at heart and that they're not these machines that are designed to make money.

02:44:10.000 And they sell drugs and the drugs are often beneficial, but their main goal is to make money.

02:44:16.000 And if they can fudge the data, if they can move the numbers around, if they can delete negative consequences.

02:44:22.000 Pfizer is one of the most criminal pharmaceutical organizations in the world based on their past legal history and fines.

02:44:32.000 What do those fines include?

02:44:34.000 Bribing physicians.

02:44:37.000 It is a cost-benefit analysis in the pharmaceutical industry about misbehavior.

02:44:43.000 They are not grounded in the ethical principles that you and I as average people believe in.

02:44:49.000 They don't live in that world.

02:44:51.000 As you appropriately point out, they are about profit, return on investment.

02:44:57.000 And furthermore, the overlords that own them, BlackRock, Vanguard, State Street, etc., these large, massive funds that are completely decoupled from nation states, have no moral core.

02:45:11.000 They have no moral purpose.

02:45:13.000 Their only purpose is return on investment.

02:45:16.000 And that is the core problem here.

02:45:18.000 That and the fact that we as a society have become grossly fragmented through social media, electronic appliances, the stress of what we've experienced.

02:45:30.000 And this leads into this whole issue of mass formation psychosis that Matthias Desmett at the University of Ghent has promoted that for many of us, when Matias, a psychologist and statistician, interesting combination, came made public, a lot of us, as we listened to Matthias, we said, oh, that makes sense.

02:45:52.000 That was like the brain, what happened when I encountered the Trusted News Initiative.

02:45:58.000 I said, oh, I don't know if you saw the Brett Weinstein podcast with me and Steve Kirsch that lit this whole fire all over the world.

02:46:07.000 Brett ends with basically the question, if you listen to the long version, of how does this happen?

02:46:16.000 How do we have this emergent phenomena?

02:46:18.000 The how question, right?

02:46:21.000 And behind the how question is the why question.

02:46:26.000 The how question of a third of the population basically being hypnotized and totally wrapped up in whatever Tony Fauci and the mainstream media feeds them, whatever CNN tells them is true.

02:46:44.000 Let me illustrate that.

02:46:45.000 The other day I was looking through New York Times' recent articles about Omicron and pediatrics in preparation for this and for making some slideshows.

02:46:56.000 And I saw this headline in the New York Times, epidemiologist and a vaccinologist, and the title was, How You Should Think About Children and Omicron.

02:47:10.000 It was blatantly saying, this is how you should think.

02:47:14.000 We're going to tell you how to think.

02:47:17.000 People kind of got to get that in their head.

02:47:20.000 That's the world we're in right now.

02:47:21.000 Now, what Matthias Desmett has shared with us, brilliant insight, is another one of those, aha, now that part makes sense, which is that this comes from basically European intellectual inquiry into what the heck happened in Germany in the 20s and 30s.

02:47:43.000 You know, very intelligent, highly educated population, and they went barking mad.

02:47:50.000 And how did that happen?

02:47:53.000 The answer is mass formation psychosis.

02:47:57.000 When you have a society that has become decoupled from each other and has free-floating anxiety and a sense that things don't make sense, we can't understand it, and then their attention gets focused by a leader or a series of events on one small point, just like hypnosis.

02:48:19.000 They literally become hypnotized and can be led anywhere.

02:48:24.000 And one of the aspects of that phenomena is the people that they identify as their leaders, the ones typically that come in and say, you have this pain and I can solve it for you.

02:48:36.000 I and I alone can fix this problem for you.

02:48:41.000 Then they will lead, they will follow that person through.

02:48:44.000 It doesn't matter whether they lie to him or whatever.

02:48:48.000 The data are irrelevant.

02:48:50.000 And furthermore, anybody who questions that narrative is to be immediately attacked.

02:48:56.000 They are the other.

02:48:59.000 This is central to mass formation psychosis.

02:49:03.000 And this is what has happened.

02:49:05.000 We had all those conditions.

02:49:07.000 If you remember back before 2019, everybody was complaining, the world doesn't make sense, blah, blah, blah.

02:49:16.000 And we're all isolated from each other.

02:49:19.000 We're all on our little tools.

02:49:21.000 We're not connected socially anymore, except through social media.

02:49:26.000 And then this thing happened and everybody focused on it.

02:49:30.000 That is how mass formation psychosis happens.

02:49:34.000 And that is what's happened here.

02:49:36.000 Now, there's ways to get out of it.

02:49:39.000 Matias' recommendation is you've got to get people to realize that what we've got is a situation of global totalitarianism.

02:49:50.000 In his experience in Europe, making people realize there's a bigger threat than the virus can cause a separation psychologically in this fusion, this hypnosis that has happened.

02:50:05.000 The problem is, then you're just substituting a bigger boogeyman from the current one.

02:50:09.000 And somebody else can come in and manipulate that.

02:50:12.000 But the real problem, and it gets back to your core point, we're sick as a society, and we have to heal ourselves.

02:50:21.000 And one of the things we have to do is come together.

02:50:26.000 We have to recreate our social bonds.

02:50:29.000 We have to buy into integrity, the importance of human dignity, and the importance of community.

02:50:38.000 That's how we get out of this.

02:50:40.000 And I think that this insight of Matthias Desmut is really central to kind of making sense out of all of this crazy.

02:50:50.000 We've got a world in which the press is incentivized to push a storyline because they're all controlled by the same large funds that Pfizer is, and so is tech.

02:51:04.000 I don't know how we're going to get out of it, but it's got to start with us, all of us, finding common ground.

02:51:12.000 I think one way we're going to get out of it is by realizing what it is.

02:51:16.000 And by the way you just explained it and the way Peter McCullough explained it and he was on the podcast as well, this mass formation psychosis that we're currently experiencing, most people are unaware that's even happening.

02:51:27.000 All these events take place and it's this perfect storm of the social media aspect of it, the fact that we are disconnected, the COVID, the separation, the isolation from society, the lockdowns, also coming off of the four years of Trump, where we're so polarized politically.

02:51:50.000 And it's become very, not just common, but accepted to other people, to point at those, the others, whether it's the Republicans or the Democrats or the Independents, whatever you choose to make.

02:52:06.000 Or the unvaccinated.

02:52:07.000 Or the unvaccinated.

02:52:08.000 That was what I was going to get to.

02:52:09.000 Yeah.

02:52:10.000 And that's one of the things that I find very bizarre about the tribal aspect of this is that people want me to get vaccinated.

02:52:18.000 And like my friends who've been vaccinated want me to join the team.

02:52:22.000 Like, go ahead, get the tattoo.

02:52:24.000 Like, what are you saying?

02:52:26.000 And I'm like, I've gone through the virus.

02:52:29.000 I have immunity.

02:52:31.000 I also have antibodies.

02:52:32.000 I just checked them last week.

02:52:34.000 Like, I could show you the test.

02:52:36.000 Matter of fact, I have it right here.

02:52:38.000 There it is.

02:52:39.000 And I had to be tested when I came in the front door at your shop here.

02:52:43.000 Yeah, we test everybody.

02:52:44.000 But the point being is it doesn't make any sense for me to get vaccinated, but they want me to join.

02:52:49.000 It's worse than that.

02:52:51.000 It puts you at higher risk.

02:52:53.000 Yes.

02:52:54.000 Okay, they're asking you to take more risk for your health in order to join their club.

02:53:00.000 That's what it is.

02:53:01.000 And that's what it is.

02:53:02.000 And it's a tribal formation.

02:53:04.000 And it's people who don't have personal sovereignty and people who aren't confident with standing by their own thoughts and objectively analyzing things outside of an ideology, outside of the tribe.

02:53:22.000 Those people are very susceptible right now, and those are more common than not.

02:53:26.000 So, Joe, again, this is not me buttering you up, but this is why you're providing such a service to your country and to humanity, because you're one of the few voices that has an audience that is not Democrat or Republican or black or white or vaccinated or unvaccinated, or all these dipoles that we create artificially.

02:53:57.000 And you are trying to speak to that persuadable middle and do so with an open heart and an open mind and in a world in which all of the information is being so carefully manipulated and so pervasively distorted.

02:54:18.000 And I'm grateful sincerely.

02:54:22.000 My colleagues are grateful.

02:54:25.000 And I think the world should be grateful for your leadership.

02:54:29.000 Well, I'm very grateful that there's courageous people like yourself that do put your reputations and your careers on the line by speaking out against this stuff when it is very difficult.

02:54:39.000 And when you do get deplatformed for doing that, they know that by censoring you, they're not just censoring you.

02:54:46.000 They're also making others like you self-censor.

02:54:50.000 I've been self-censoring for months.

02:54:50.000 Absolutely.

02:54:53.000 I mean, every morning when we post on Twitter, my wife and I, Jill Glaspel Malone, PhD, right, have this active dialogue.

02:55:04.000 Can we post this?

02:55:06.000 How do we say this so we're not going to get deplatformed?

02:55:08.000 Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

02:55:10.000 We're constantly self-censoring.

02:55:12.000 And it's crazy because you're self-censoring about your area of expertise, which is insane because the people who are censoring you don't have any education in it.

02:55:22.000 Yes, I agree.

02:55:22.000 It's insane.

02:55:26.000 It's the world we're in.

02:55:28.000 I'm just hoping that that Clip where you explained this mass formation psychosis makes the rounds.

02:55:35.000 And I think everything you've laid out today was about as clear and as rational and as well documented as I could have hoped and more.

02:55:46.000 So thank you very much for being here.

02:55:48.000 Thank you very much for everything that you've done.

02:55:50.000 And Jesus Christ, Twitter, put the fucking guy back on.

02:55:55.000 It's okay.

02:55:57.000 So you do martial arts.

02:56:00.000 And so you get the idea of using your opponent's energy against him.

02:56:05.000 Yes.

02:56:05.000 Okay.

02:56:07.000 I was immediately contacted by multiple lawyers.

02:56:11.000 Sure.

02:56:12.000 This could be an excellent exemplar case.

02:56:16.000 I think it is.

02:56:18.000 Between you and Alex Berenson?

02:56:20.000 Who's already filed one?

02:56:21.000 Yes.

02:56:22.000 Okay.

02:56:24.000 I've been through the legal grind.

02:56:26.000 I don't want to sue anybody, frankly.

02:56:29.000 It just sucks the blood out of you, not to mention your financial resources.

02:56:34.000 I mean, it's just an ugly process.

02:56:37.000 I hate it.

02:56:38.000 But there's two hills that I'm willing to die on.

02:56:43.000 One is stopping the jabs in the children. 0.91

02:56:46.000 And one is resisting the erosion of free speech, which is a fundamental principle on which our democracy and our society, civilized Western culture is built on.

02:57:03.000 I like to say when I give rallies, do you remember back a couple of years ago when you felt sorry for the people in the People's Republic of China because their internet was filtered?

02:57:16.000 They weren't allowed free speech.

02:57:18.000 Their government told them what to do and think?

02:57:21.000 Okay?

02:57:22.000 Now, here we are.

02:57:24.000 Okay?

02:57:25.000 And the next thing that we all feel sorry about, social credit system.

02:57:29.000 Okay?

02:57:32.000 Wake up, folks.

02:57:34.000 Wake up.

02:57:35.000 It's coming.

02:57:36.000 If we give into this, we give into vaccine passports and having an app on your phone that shows everything you're doing in terms of your medical history, and they've even offered people extra credit.

02:57:46.000 There was an article on Yahoo about having access to your browser history.

02:57:51.000 And they framed it in this very positive way, that having access to your browser history may allow you to receive extra credit.

02:58:00.000 So you would be available, you'd have credit available to buy a home or a car.

02:58:06.000 So bingo.

02:58:08.000 We already know what social credit systems feel like.

02:58:13.000 We call it our credit rating agencies.

02:58:16.000 And you know what those guys do.

02:58:18.000 It doesn't matter whether or not, if it's on your record, it doesn't matter whether or not you did it or what the extenuating circumstances were.

02:58:24.000 It's in their algorithm.

02:58:26.000 And you will get your score.

02:58:27.000 And your score basically will determine the tax on your access to credit in the form of the interest that you pay on the money that they have been given by the federal government.

02:58:40.000 Okay, that's the way this ecosystem works.

02:58:43.000 They get that money at a huge discount, and then they decide how worthy you are to receive it if you want to have credit.

02:58:52.000 And so if you want to understand a little tiny version of the social credit system, it's right there in your credit score.

02:58:59.000 I think the only thing that helps us here is that this may be the one subject where everyone loses.

02:59:09.000 People on the left, people on the right, people in the center, everyone loses if they impart a social credit system.

02:59:17.000 If there is some sort of social credit app that you have to carry around on your phone that determines where you're allowed to go and what you're allowed to do, we're all going to lose.

02:59:26.000 No.

02:59:26.000 No, I disagree.

02:59:27.000 The oligarchs win.

02:59:30.000 A very small percentage of the population wins, yes.

02:59:32.000 Right.

02:59:33.000 But I mean, the general public, the people, the people that are divided about COVID, the people that are now othering each other and, you know, you losers who got the jab and look at you unvaccinated plague rats, this nonsense that's going on.

02:59:45.000 Maybe this will be the one thing that unites us because we'll realize that this is tyranny.

02:59:49.000 Or if it won't, welcome to the new boss.

02:59:53.000 Welcome to the new overlords, guys.

02:59:56.000 And it's your choice.

02:59:58.000 I'm going to be dead.

03:00:01.000 I'm 62.

03:00:03.000 It's good.

03:00:04.000 Thanks, you're kind.

03:00:06.000 You got some years in you, bro.

03:00:07.000 Settle in.

03:00:08.000 It's our children.

03:00:10.000 Yeah, it is our children.

03:00:15.000 They're challenged uniquely already because they are growing up with social media.

03:00:20.000 They're growing up with TikTok and these invasive apps that are tracking all their movement and everything they do and buy and see and what they look up and they cross-platform.

03:00:30.000 They share this data cross-platform.

03:00:32.000 It's very sketchy stuff.

03:00:34.000 And the fact that it's happened and it happened so quickly and that our data, which seemed to be nothing, became one of the most valuable commodities in the world.

03:00:44.000 And that data is used to manipulate all the people on the planet.

03:00:51.000 So we're touching on some deep stuff about the kids.

03:00:54.000 And forgive me for a unabashed promotion for the Unity Project, which I serve as chief medical and regulatory officer for.

03:01:04.000 So that's unityprojectonline.com or org.

03:01:10.000 It's calm.

03:01:13.000 We're totally focused on the kids.

03:01:16.000 And if you go on that site, you'll see a podcast that I did with a pediatric psychiatrist out of LA and a pediatric cardiologist who's also a PhD in vascular inflammation, Kurt Milhan.

03:01:36.000 And I got those two guys on to talk about what's happening to our children.

03:01:42.000 And in particular, the psychological damage of these lockdowns, this mask use, the school policies, the bullying of children who are unvaccinated.

03:01:57.000 The psychological damage is huge.

03:02:00.000 We're having a worldwide epidemic of suicide in children.

03:02:05.000 We are having a huge surge of drug abuse in adolescents.

03:02:12.000 We're having demonstrable drops in IQ and fundamental developmental milestones in the very young, like 20 IQ points.

03:02:25.000 Children have to see faces to learn how to speak and to interact socially.

03:02:33.000 You're talking about social intelligence, which you're deep in, and connectedness.

03:02:40.000 We're raising a generation of children that have been blocked from their ability, because their brains are developing extremely rapidly at this age, the ability for their brains to assimilate the information necessary for them to become functional citizens and parents.

03:03:00.000 We're destroying it without a second thought.

03:03:04.000 And the damage is going to last for generations.

03:03:08.000 And as if that's not bad enough, we're allowing the state to insert itself into the family and make decisions by mandating vaccination.

03:03:21.000 This is why these childhood vaccines mandates are obscene.

03:03:28.000 We're setting up a situation in which children are going to see peers who have been vaccine damaged as a consequence of the policies that their teachers and their government have forced on them.

03:03:42.000 The damage here is going to be with us for generations.

03:03:47.000 I'm not being chicken little here.

03:03:50.000 This is deep, profound stuff.

03:03:52.000 It's way beyond myocarditis.

03:03:55.000 And no one seems to care.

03:03:57.000 No one talks to children.

03:03:59.000 There was a big breakthrough we all celebrated a week ago.

03:04:03.000 Face the nation.

03:04:06.000 On the annual roundup of stories that have been underreported, one of the speakers got up, journalist, and said to the other group, I think one of the most underreported stories has been the damage that's happened to our children.

03:04:22.000 I saw that.

03:04:23.000 And did you see what happened with the other journalists?

03:04:26.000 No.

03:04:27.000 Nobody said a word.

03:04:29.000 They moved on.

03:04:31.000 It was hardly covered in the media.

03:04:34.000 Well, she even glossed over the damage by the vaccines.

03:04:36.000 Agreed.

03:04:37.000 How could she speak about the vaccines?

03:04:39.000 I suspect she may lose her job. 0.97

03:04:41.000 She's not going to be invited back on that program again, I doubt.

03:04:44.000 I mean, how could she speak about the damage of the vaccines?

03:04:48.000 It is.

03:04:49.000 She really just briefly touched on it.

03:04:52.000 Yeah, so the point is It's insanely dangerous to speak truth to power right now.

03:05:01.000 Before we wrap this up, why is the vaccine uniquely dangerous to children?

03:05:07.000 And I'm not completely...

03:05:07.000 Good question.

03:05:21.000 One of the things, there is clearly an androgen component to the risk of both the vaccine and the disease of the virus.

03:05:30.000 And that's why anti-androgens, by the way, Pierre Corey, shout out to him for a champion of androgens being added to his MathPlus protocol, particularly for men.

03:05:44.000 So, wire boys, there's probably a component of that that has to do with an artifact in the data.

03:05:55.000 That being that us old codgers, in general, as a population, have a much higher risk of cardiac events.

03:06:03.000 And so if there's a heart attack in one of us, it's really hard to say, is it just because we're old?

03:06:11.000 Or is it vaccine related?

03:06:13.000 So then the vaccine, if there are vaccine-related events buried in that, we're not going to see them statistically.

03:06:19.000 It's really hard to pull it out.

03:06:20.000 Whereas kids don't have heart attacks and they don't have strokes.

03:06:25.000 So you can see those things really clearly against the background of virtually nothing.

03:06:29.000 So that's, it may be partially an artifact of reporting and bias because of confounding variables, and it may be there are other effects.

03:06:40.000 In terms of your broader question, moving outside of the myocarditis, why are children more susceptible to these adverse events?

03:06:50.000 I think they're not.

03:06:53.000 I think the problem is that we're seeing it in the kids, but it's present in the adult population also.

03:06:59.000 I think there is a significant reporting bias going on against reporting adult vaccine injury.

03:07:08.000 I think that we have more in how, why would I say that?

03:07:14.000 Oh, because I'm a vaccine denier, I'm a bad guy, and I have some perverse incentive to have that media hate me.

03:07:21.000 No.

03:07:22.000 We have these reports from hospitalists and nurses, the ones that often it's the nurses that are able to speak.

03:07:30.000 For some reason, the nurses are disclosing things that they're seeing in their hospitals, and the physicians are all shutting up.

03:07:36.000 Is it because they have financial incentives or because they're all owned because they have such debt burdens?

03:07:42.000 I don't know.

03:07:44.000 But the nurses are speaking out, and they're saying, hey, we're seeing strokes and heart attacks and these other types of problems that are known to be associated with the jabs.

03:07:54.000 It's hard to say because we got the virus and the vaccines overlapping.

03:08:00.000 You know, is it chicken or egg?

03:08:03.000 We know that they're happening.

03:08:05.000 We know that the deaths are happening.

03:08:07.000 That's like the excuses that are made about the sudden deaths in high-performing athletes that are being observed all over the world, particularly in footballers, where they're just suddenly dropping.

03:08:22.000 Is it because they've been infected or are they because they've been jabbed?

03:08:27.000 And I think it's a mixture of both.

03:08:30.000 But if it's from the vaccines, the thing about the vaccines is that's you know, we have this principle, we used to, of do no harm.

03:08:41.000 And if a virus naturally infects you and you have a damage from it, I haven't caused that damage as a physician.

03:08:53.000 If I'm recommending that you take a drug, an intervention, they didn't need to have, you may or may not have gotten infected.

03:09:01.000 And it causes damage.

03:09:04.000 Well, I got to kind of own that as a physician, as a representative of the medical industrial complex and a participant in it.

03:09:13.000 And so for whatever reason, there's an under-reporting bias clearly in the adult population.

03:09:21.000 And I think that people may be a little more sensitive to adverse events and deaths in their children.

03:09:29.000 Robert, thank you for everything.

03:09:30.000 I really appreciate you.

03:09:31.000 I appreciate you being here.

03:09:33.000 If people want to read more of your work now that you've been banned from Twitter, are you still on LinkedIn?

03:09:41.000 Are you gone from LinkedIn?

03:09:42.000 I'm still on LinkedIn.

03:09:43.000 I'm really cautious on LinkedIn.

03:09:46.000 I'm on Substack?

03:09:47.000 I'm on Getter and I'm on Substack.

03:09:51.000 So that's RW Malone MD.

03:09:53.000 And who knows?

03:09:55.000 Substack's probably the best place, though, right?

03:09:56.000 It's the least censored.

03:09:58.000 The problem with Substack, yeah, it is least censored, and I would love more Substack subscriptions, but I have a financial conflict of interest there, so I don't want to pump it.

03:10:07.000 But that is I try to use Substack for more in-depth intellectual pieces, thought pieces, not just, I mean, Alex, bless his heart, he blasts everything out as if Substack is Twitter.

03:10:19.000 That's not my style.

03:10:21.000 So I'm going to be using Getter for that thread.

03:10:23.000 Getter?

03:10:24.000 What is that?

03:10:25.000 That's a Twitter alternative.

03:10:27.000 Oh.

03:10:28.000 Never heard of it.

03:10:31.000 Yep.

03:10:32.000 So I'm using Getter.

03:10:34.000 And again, at RW Malone MD.

03:10:36.000 Is it spelled like G-E-T-T-E-R?

03:10:39.000 G-E-T-T-R. 1.00

03:10:41.000 You want it, Jamie?

03:10:42.000 No?

03:10:43.000 G-E-T-T-R? 1.00

03:10:44.000 So Getter is branded as the Twitter killer.

03:10:44.000 Yeah.

03:10:47.000 It is explicitly a Twitter alternative.

03:10:52.000 Is it all right-wing crazy people?

03:10:54.000 No, it's a lot of people that have been killing people.

03:10:58.000 It started off.

03:10:59.000 Yeah, it's we're, you know, they are committed to not censoring.

03:11:07.000 Well, I support that entirely.

03:11:07.000 Beautiful.

03:11:10.000 I mean, I just, there's a problem with some of these that they do get infected by people that were shit posters.

03:11:16.000 You know, what shit posters are?

03:11:17.000 People just.

03:11:18.000 Yeah.

03:11:19.000 I mean, I've been on social media a long, long time.

03:11:22.000 I used to be on Yahoo Sock chat boards.

03:11:22.000 I'm sure you have.

03:11:24.000 That's kind of where I cut my teeth.

03:11:27.000 Well, Robert, thank you very much.

03:11:29.000 Just thank you for everything, and I hope this helps.

03:11:34.000 Thank you.

03:11:35.000 So seriously, thank you for your service to your nation and to the world, Mr. Rogan.

03:11:42.000 My pleasure.

03:11:43.000 Thank you.

03:11:44.000 Thanks for everything.

03:11:44.000 Bye, everybody.

03:11:45.000 So, folks, we actually went outside and talked, and Robert realized that he had forgot to tell everybody about this rally, and then I picked up Snoop, who's with me now.

03:11:57.000 So, there is a rally January 23rd.

03:12:00.000 Where is it?

03:12:01.000 You want to give us the details?

03:12:02.000 Washington, D.C., between the Washington Monument and Lincoln Memorial.

03:12:06.000 So this is the Defeat the Mandates, an American Homecoming rally.

03:12:11.000 And thanks a lot for letting me put the plug in.

03:12:13.000 The website is www.defeetthemandatesdc.com.

03:12:21.000 So this is not about being anti-vaccines.

03:12:24.000 It's about being anti-mandates.

03:12:27.000 And our hope is that we bring people together.

03:12:30.000 I know that's one of your core messages.

03:12:32.000 People from every walk of life, every party, every religion, every ethnic background, Democrat, Republican, vaccinated, unvaccinated.

03:12:46.000 The thing that we can agree on is personal liberty and the right of people to make their own choice.

03:12:53.000 And that's what this rally is about, is to resist these mandates of the vaccine.

03:12:59.000 Whether you believe in it or don't believe in it, I hope that you believe in the integrity and freedom of your fellow man and woman to make their own bodily choices.

03:13:10.000 So this is going to be part of a same-day worldwide rally for freedom that's going to come across the entire world.

03:13:18.000 This is in Australia, in Europe, in UK, and in the United States for the first time.

03:13:24.000 So we ask that you join us.

03:13:28.000 We're asking, our objective is to end the vaccine mandates and also no vaccine passports, no vaccination for healthy children, no to censorship, no to limits on reasonable debate and this censorship and propaganda that we're constantly bombarded with.

03:13:50.000 We believe in the power of natural immunity.

03:13:52.000 We believe and insist on informed consent, and we insist on allowing doctors and patients making decisions without interference together.

03:14:02.000 So, Joe, thank you for allowing me to correct my grievous error here.

03:14:07.000 No worries.

03:14:07.000 We realized it.

03:14:09.000 So one more time with the website, it's defeatthemandates.com.

03:14:13.000 No, it's defeatthemandatesdc.com.

03:14:16.000 And you can find all the information.

03:14:18.000 January 23rd, it's a Sunday.

03:14:21.000 Join not just with people in the United States, but from all over the world for our common good.

03:14:27.000 Beautiful.

03:14:28.000 Thank you.

03:14:29.000 Thanks again.

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 31, 2021

#1757 - Dr. Robert Malone, MD

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