The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1004 - W. Kamau Bell

00:00:02.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:07.000 Yes!

00:00:08.000 And we're live.

00:00:09.000 I always wonder, when I see a dude with an android, I'm like, oh, you're on that team.

00:00:16.000 People get so into teams, right?

00:00:19.000 You get so into groups that you belong to, like, oh, he's an android guy.

00:00:23.000 Yeah, what does that mean about him?

00:00:24.000 Oh, an android guy.

00:00:26.000 He uses a Windows phone.

00:00:27.000 Yeah.

00:00:28.000 Maybe he's a contrarian.

00:00:31.000 Yeah, yeah, I'm trying to be outside the box.

00:00:32.000 Yeah, he's got a Henry Rollins for president shirt on.

00:00:34.000 What does that mean?

00:00:36.000 What's he trying to do?

00:00:37.000 Is Henry Rollins really running for president?

00:00:40.000 I don't even know if Henry Rollins gets a part of this merchandise.

00:00:42.000 Most likely not.

00:00:43.000 Yeah, I feel a little bit bad about that. 0.99

00:00:45.000 Yeah, I don't think he gives a shit. 0.99

00:00:47.000 No, I don't think he gives a shit, but I did buy it sort of excitedly and then had a moment of like, wait a minute. 1.00

00:00:51.000 So, yeah. 0.99

00:00:52.000 Yeah, I don't even think he probably knows.

00:00:54.000 No, I would imagine maybe he'll find out now.

00:00:57.000 How much have you paid attention to that guy?

00:00:59.000 I'm a big fan of Henry Rollins.

00:01:01.000 Henry Rollins is one of the, I've said this before, his music gave me the courage to start doing stand-up.

00:01:06.000 Really?

00:01:07.000 Absolutely.

00:01:07.000 I used to go to his spoken word shows.

00:01:10.000 I'm all in on Henry Rollins.

00:01:11.000 Wow.

00:01:12.000 Did you hear his podcast with Ari Shafir?

00:01:15.000 No, I haven't heard that.

00:01:16.000 Dude, you gotta listen to it.

00:01:18.000 He and Ari met at Edinburgh at the Fringe Festival, and they were talking about travel.

00:01:25.000 Henry just picks a spot on the map.

00:01:27.000 He goes, okay, Myanmar, let's do this. 0.98

00:01:31.000 And he has his travel agent organize it.

00:01:34.000 He doesn't go with anybody.

00:01:35.000 He goes by himself, brings a laptop and a camera and some clothes.

00:01:39.000 When I was...

00:01:39.000 I actually met him.

00:01:40.000 I met him a couple times, but when I really met him, finally, he came to my book tour in L.A. with his assistant, Heidi.

00:01:45.000 And he was going on a trip the next day.

00:01:47.000 Don't say that.

00:01:47.000 Can't say assistant.

00:01:48.000 She gets pissed.

00:01:49.000 She's his manager.

00:01:50.000 His manager.

00:01:51.000 Okay.

00:01:51.000 She got pissed when she was here.

00:01:53.000 She's like, someone called me the assistant.

00:01:55.000 I'm like, whoa, I wasn't that guy.

00:01:56.000 That's...

00:01:56.000 I mean...

00:01:57.000 As a person who has an assistant, it's not really a good word. 0.99

00:01:59.000 It makes it sound like you're saying, like, you know, it doesn't sound, what the person does is they keep your shit organized. 0.98

00:02:04.000 She's his manager. 0.99

00:02:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:02:06.000 So his manager, Heidi, was there, and he was leaving the next day, and he didn't know where he was going.

00:02:10.000 She told him, you need to get out of town.

00:02:13.000 I'm tired of you.

00:02:14.000 She said she booked him a trip, and he had no idea where.

00:02:17.000 He was like, yeah, I don't know where I'm going.

00:02:18.000 I don't know where I'm going.

00:02:18.000 He does it all the time, and he just writes.

00:02:21.000 He goes there and he writes.

00:02:22.000 I mean, he's living the life that, as an artist, I would like to live if I wasn't married with two kids.

00:02:27.000 So I've always lived, even before I was married with two kids, I can't live that life.

00:02:31.000 Yeah, I can't do that either, but he does it. 0.99

00:02:34.000 Well, Ari Shafir said, all right, motherfucker, you think that's strong? 0.98

00:02:36.000 I'm going to go for four months. 0.99

00:02:38.000 So Ari went for four months all throughout Asia.

00:02:41.000 He brought no phone, no laptop, no nothing, completely.

00:02:45.000 Completely lost contact with everybody.

00:02:46.000 Didn't talk to anybody he knew.

00:02:48.000 No agent, no manager.

00:02:49.000 Told them all, I'm gone for like three months.

00:02:51.000 And he wound up being four.

00:02:53.000 Was he lost for the last month?

00:02:54.000 I can't get back.

00:02:55.000 He just decided not to come back yet.

00:02:56.000 He just did whatever.

00:02:57.000 I mean, he has his Comedy Central show.

00:02:59.000 And then he just decided, look, I'm going to take some time off and I'm just going to go.

00:03:03.000 I mean, yeah, that sounds great.

00:03:04.000 It does, right?

00:03:05.000 Yeah, it sounds amazing, but there's a lot of negotiating I'd have to do to get away for a weekend.

00:03:10.000 Yeah!

00:03:12.000 I gotta plan out to watch Mayweather McGregor.

00:03:15.000 I had to tell my wife weeks in advance.

00:03:16.000 That night.

00:03:18.000 Yeah, just three hours.

00:03:19.000 You can't talk to me.

00:03:20.000 Yeah, I was like, you can watch it with me, which he did, but I can't be responsible for putting the kids to bed.

00:03:25.000 I had to spread that out, make sure, and then remind, and do not book, and all those things.

00:03:31.000 Yeah.

00:03:32.000 For three hours.

00:03:33.000 Getting time away when you have responsibilities.

00:03:35.000 It's like, the more things get complicated around you, it's like Biggie.

00:03:41.000 More money, more problems.

00:03:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:42.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:43.000 It really, it's real.

00:03:44.000 Until you get a lot of money, then it's a lot less problems.

00:03:46.000 I don't know about that, man.

00:03:47.000 I think you still have tons of problems.

00:03:49.000 But you could...

00:03:52.000 I believe at that point you can sort of create your own problems if you want to have tons of problems, but there are people who have a lot of money.

00:03:59.000 Zach De La Roche is somebody else I'm a big fan of, Rage Against the Machine.

00:04:02.000 That dude made his Rage Against the Machine money and is just peaced out.

00:04:06.000 Yeah, he's a different cat, though.

00:04:08.000 That's what I mean.

00:04:09.000 I'm not saying he doesn't have problems, but...

00:04:12.000 Tom Morello probably has more problems because he's trying to like, I'm starting a band with Chuck D and the guy from Cypress Hill, and I'm also releasing a solo, and I'm also on tour with the E Street Band.

00:04:21.000 Like, that's a lot of problems.

00:04:22.000 Whereas Zach's like, every now and again I'll go out with Rage Against the Machine and pick up that big check.

00:04:27.000 Other than that, I'm going back to LA. I mean, you know, so for me, there's a level of money you can get where you can sort of just turn the volume away.

00:04:33.000 The guy from Calvin and Hobbes is another dude.

00:04:35.000 Like, you know, the comic strip Calvin and Hobbes was the biggest comic strip at that time.

00:04:39.000 People loved it, people worshipped it, and at some point after 10 years, like, I'm done, and hasn't been seen since.

00:04:44.000 That's a good move if you could pull it off.

00:04:46.000 That's my goal.

00:04:47.000 Yeah?

00:04:48.000 That's your goal?

00:04:49.000 My goal is to get to that place of, like, there's some, I don't know what the number is, but I feel like there's some number where you go, okay, that's the number where I can put it in the thing, in the index things, and it sits there, and it just, yeah, I'll be going.

00:05:02.000 Stockpile and then disconnect.

00:05:03.000 Good luck, everybody.

00:05:05.000 And maybe still, like the thing is, every now and again you sort of pop up to go, hey everybody, but I don't have the need for the attention part of it.

00:05:11.000 It's like, you know, I like the work I do and I don't want to do the work I like to do, but I don't have any need for the star part of it.

00:05:16.000 Yeah.

00:05:17.000 Yeah, that becomes a real problem.

00:05:19.000 You're way better off with the resources, but no star. 0.98

00:05:21.000 You just go to the mall and nobody fucks with you. 0.61

00:05:24.000 It's like the guy next to Oprah who nobody knows their name. 0.96

00:05:28.000 That's Oprah's husband.

00:05:29.000 There's also another guy, some white guy, who's like, maybe he's the assistant or the manager, I don't know what the name is.

00:05:34.000 But yeah, there's these people who are like, you go do the thing, I'll be here.

00:05:37.000 Yeah, well, that's a good move if it's Oprah because Oprah is such a huge figure that nobody's paying attention to you.

00:05:44.000 They're so focused on her.

00:05:46.000 If you're two steps behind, you're good.

00:05:48.000 You're anonymous.

00:05:49.000 Just slide around.

00:05:51.000 Yeah, no, it's real.

00:05:52.000 For a project I worked on, I actually met Oprah for this thing, and there's a whole team of people who are like, it's like 40-year-old white women who feel like they're in the Israeli army. 0.61

00:06:05.000 Like, we will take you down if we need to.

00:06:08.000 And then Oprah floats through the room like this happy beam of light, and they're like the ones who are like, no, we'll take care of it if it's a problem.

00:06:13.000 You've got to be intense if you're around a person like that.

00:06:16.000 Imagine how many people are trying to grab at Oprah. 0.99

00:06:18.000 I mean, I'm sure you get crazy requests and bullshit all day. 0.98

00:06:23.000 Imagine what it is to be Oprah. 0.99

00:06:24.000 I can't, yeah.

00:06:25.000 See, and when I see somebody, if I got to Oprah's level, and she's like, I mean, she's doing great work.

00:06:29.000 She's the own, there's like, she's helping bring other people up.

00:06:32.000 She's starting...

00:06:33.000 If I had done that show, I'd be like, good luck, everybody.

00:06:36.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't have that level of trying to be in the thing.

00:06:41.000 She's got so much power, she kept Dr. Oz on TV after they brought him into Congress because he was lying about miracle weight loss cures. 1.00

00:06:49.000 Dr. Phil still has a show that she's making money off of.

00:06:51.000 Yeah, but Dr. Phil never had a scandal like that.

00:06:53.000 No, no, but I just feel like he's quietly...

00:06:55.000 He was a big deal at one point.

00:06:57.000 Now he's still...

00:06:59.000 You turn it on and go, oh, he's still on?

00:07:00.000 Yeah, and he's sending her a check.

00:07:02.000 He's still on.

00:07:04.000 Yeah.

00:07:04.000 If you're like a housewife and you're sitting at home and you want to find out what's wrong with a teenage kid.

00:07:10.000 Yeah.

00:07:11.000 Oprah got sued by meat.

00:07:13.000 You know what I mean?

00:07:13.000 Like when she was on her show and she said, I'm not going to eat meat anymore because of red meat.

00:07:17.000 And it was a whole thing.

00:07:18.000 They sued her?

00:07:19.000 There was some sort of like, it was a court case.

00:07:23.000 Yeah, somebody's gonna have to Google this.

00:07:24.000 Did she say something about a particular company?

00:07:26.000 She said on her show, she basically, I must have been about a particular company, but she said something about not eating red meat anymore.

00:07:31.000 This was back in the 90s.

00:07:32.000 And then I think that's how she met Dr. Phil, because he was like a jury consultant.

00:07:35.000 I know too much about that.

00:07:37.000 Huh.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 Interesting.

00:07:38.000 Oprah Winfrey versus the beef people.

00:07:41.000 In 98. President George Bush.

00:07:43.000 Wow.

00:07:43.000 I do not like broccoli.

00:07:45.000 I have not liked it since...

00:07:46.000 Well, this is...

00:07:47.000 All different things people have said.

00:07:49.000 Yeah, this is an audio story that you should listen to, but they're just...

00:07:51.000 Interesting.

00:07:54.000 Interesting.

00:07:55.000 So she got sued about... 0.99

00:07:57.000 Who the fuck sued her? 1.00

00:07:58.000 Some meat corporation in Texas. 1.00

00:08:00.000 She actually had to move her show to Texas.

00:08:02.000 Oh, that's right!

00:08:04.000 Because she was testifying.

00:08:06.000 That's right!

00:08:08.000 What did she say?

00:08:09.000 I wonder what it was that she said.

00:08:11.000 It was something on the show about, like, I don't think I'll eat meat anymore or something.

00:08:14.000 How come you can't say that?

00:08:16.000 I'm not quoting her directly, but it was something about...

00:08:18.000 It was the mad cow, blah, blah, blah.

00:08:20.000 Oh, was that it? 0.59

00:08:22.000 Mmm.

00:08:24.000 Veggie libel laws. 1.00

00:08:25.000 Oh, is that at least some weird shit they only have in Texas? 0.99

00:08:28.000 Probably. 1.00

00:08:28.000 That's probably why they brought her to Texas. 1.00

00:08:30.000 Yeah, she had to move her whole show to Texas. 1.00

00:08:32.000 Talk shit about beef. 0.99

00:08:35.000 Meanwhile, have you watched... 0.99

00:08:37.000 I posted a YouTube video on Twitter earlier today that shows the contrast between what Houston used to look like... 0.99

00:08:44.000 Versus what it looks like now, holy shit. 0.98

00:08:47.000 It's still raining there today. 0.98

00:08:48.000 It's still raining there.

00:08:49.000 That's the thing people don't understand.

00:08:50.000 My family's from Alabama, so I know how hurricanes work.

00:08:53.000 The hurricane hits, that's bad, because it knocks things down and knocks buildings over.

00:08:56.000 But then the water rises.

00:08:58.000 So that's when it gets...

00:08:59.000 Most of the damage is done from the flood that happens after the hurricane.

00:09:03.000 Yeah, flood and then mold, and then fungus.

00:09:06.000 A lot of times you have to destroy houses just because they get ate up with black mold.

00:09:10.000 Look at the beginning.

00:09:11.000 If you go bring it to the beginning, Jamie, and it'll show what Houston used to look like.

00:09:15.000 Look at this.

00:09:16.000 You can see the river, and now look at this, and then it keeps going. 0.99

00:09:18.000 This is fucking insane! 0.99

00:09:21.000 It's insane! 0.99

00:09:23.000 And just remember, Houston is the city that many Hurricane Katrina survivors from New Orleans went to.

00:09:28.000 Yeah.

00:09:29.000 And some of them couldn't go back because New Orleans never got rebuilt in a lot of ways.

00:09:33.000 And so there's people in Houston right now who move there because of Hurricane Katrina, and this happens.

00:09:37.000 Well, I remember I went to Houston like six months after Hurricane Katrina, and there was a ton of people that had to move, that were stuck there, that were piled up together in houses, like many families in small houses.

00:09:52.000 Yeah.

00:09:52.000 Do you hear the Joel Osteen thing?

00:09:54.000 Yeah! 1.00

00:09:55.000 That fucking fraud. 1.00

00:09:57.000 How dare you, Joel? 1.00

00:09:59.000 He lives in a basketball arena.

00:10:00.000 I mean, he doesn't live in there, but his church is the old Houston Rockets basketball arena.

00:10:04.000 Yeah, and it's elevated.

00:10:05.000 Yeah, and it's got 16,000 room for like 16,000 to 18,000 people in there.

00:10:09.000 And he won't bring people in?

00:10:10.000 Now he has.

00:10:11.000 He has.

00:10:11.000 He got internet shamed.

00:10:13.000 That's all I remember.

00:10:14.000 Sometimes internet shaming is okay.

00:10:15.000 Yeah, sometimes it works.

00:10:17.000 Are these the people that are in there now?

00:10:18.000 No, no.

00:10:19.000 That's just to show you how big it is. 0.99

00:10:21.000 Goddamn, that's big. 0.98

00:10:21.000 He bought the place where the Houston Rockets used to... 0.98

00:10:24.000 I mean, the church is in a basketball arena, and it's all about the prosperity gospel, but...

00:10:29.000 He put up a link to donate money for the flood that went to him.

00:10:33.000 It wasn't the Red Cross.

00:10:34.000 No.

00:10:34.000 Yeah.

00:10:35.000 He was like, after he got internet shamed the first time, he put up a link, donate money for the flood relief here.

00:10:39.000 And it was just a link on his website.

00:10:40.000 It was just to donate to his church.

00:10:42.000 Oh, he's so sketchy.

00:10:43.000 Yeah.

00:10:44.000 They're all so sketchy, man.

00:10:45.000 When you're making billions of, I mean, I don't know how much he's making, but you're making that much money for the Lord.

00:10:50.000 And also tax-free.

00:10:51.000 Tax-free.

00:10:51.000 That's the other thing.

00:10:52.000 That's right, because he's a church.

00:10:54.000 Oh, that's horrific.

00:10:55.000 Yeah, so he's making twice the money that people of that level of money are making.

00:10:58.000 Come on, that's so scary.

00:10:59.000 Yeah.

00:11:00.000 Well, that's like when you found out that Scientology doesn't have to pay taxes.

00:11:03.000 You're like, wait, what?

00:11:04.000 Well, it's all, I mean, you know, it's all bad.

00:11:06.000 Like, you should, you know, not paying taxes doesn't make any sense.

00:11:10.000 No, it's completely sketchy.

00:11:12.000 There it is.

00:11:12.000 That is his page.

00:11:14.000 Yeah, that's the page.

00:11:15.000 It's on his website.

00:11:16.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:11:16.000 So help Houston give now to him.

00:11:18.000 Yeah, and, you know, I'm going to take a little piece.

00:11:20.000 Yeah.

00:11:21.000 Well, I got to overhead.

00:11:23.000 Hey, bro, man, I got website bills.

00:11:25.000 I got a dude that handles this.

00:11:27.000 I got to pay him.

00:11:28.000 I got a manager and an assistant.

00:11:29.000 Electricity, internet connection, server fees.

00:11:31.000 Come on, bro.

00:11:32.000 I had to get this page built.

00:11:33.000 I had to have somebody do this page.

00:11:34.000 Whew.

00:11:35.000 Yeah, to me that was so like just I mean just so tone-deaf to send out thoughts and prayers.

00:11:40.000 Dude, you got money. 0.57

00:11:41.000 You got a fuckload of money and it all comes from preaching the word.

00:11:45.000 So yeah, so you first sent out that link and then people said no and then he said it and now the doors are open and now they're taking pay.

00:11:51.000 Yeah, Lakewood's doors are open We are receiving anyone who needs shelter and let's be clear There was apparently somebody tweeted out that there was like all the mosques in Houston had opened their doors already and we're talking.

00:12:00.000 Yeah, so you know America Oh, those guys, there's just too much money involved.

00:12:08.000 When you say, like, does Joel Olsteen, he must drive, like, some crazy car too, right?

00:12:12.000 Yeah, I'm sure he has many crazy cars.

00:12:13.000 Find out what Joel Olsteen drives.

00:12:15.000 I want to know what he drives.

00:12:17.000 Because I guarantee you, it's not even a Cadillac, right? 0.51

00:12:19.000 It's probably like some ridiculous Bentley or something. 1.00

00:12:22.000 Something stupid with like a golden cross on the hood. 1.00

00:12:26.000 Well, that's the prosperity gospel. 1.00

00:12:28.000 If the preacher's rich, then we're all rich.

00:12:30.000 Is that what he's preaching?

00:12:32.000 Is that his word?

00:12:32.000 It's called the prosperity gospel.

00:12:34.000 And it's not just him.

00:12:34.000 There's several southern evangelical preachers.

00:12:37.000 It's called the prosperity ministry where you preach that if I do well, then you're doing well through me.

00:12:41.000 Ooh.

00:12:42.000 Yeah.

00:12:43.000 And then eventually you'll do well.

00:12:45.000 Yeah.

00:12:45.000 Eventually it'll come to you.

00:12:47.000 Why would you want the preacher to look bad?

00:12:49.000 Because the preacher is the representative of God.

00:12:53.000 I saw one where this guy was talking about people that have no money.

00:12:57.000 That if you have no money, if you donate whatever you can, even if you have no money, the Lord will pay you back tenfold.

00:13:04.000 Yeah, that's exactly the thing.

00:13:05.000 That is so ruthless.

00:13:07.000 Yeah, it's totally ruthless.

00:13:09.000 And those, you know, of course those people end up falling for their scandal.

00:13:12.000 Of course.

00:13:13.000 I mean, it's the same for PTI or the Tammy Faye Baker and Jim Baker.

00:13:17.000 Yeah, Jim Baker.

00:13:18.000 Yeah.

00:13:19.000 It's just so ruthless to go after people.

00:13:21.000 Creflo Dollar.

00:13:22.000 Creflo Dollar's awesome.

00:13:23.000 He's got, like, hot dogs in the back of his neck.

00:13:25.000 Like, the back of his neck is, like, these big, thick rolls.

00:13:29.000 My favorite is Robert Tilden, the guy who talks in tongues.

00:13:33.000 You see that guy?

00:13:33.000 He literally said this once.

00:13:35.000 He goes, every time you write a check to me, Satan gets a black eye.

00:13:39.000 Yeah, he does.

00:13:43.000 Did you find a car for Joel Osteen?

00:13:45.000 He must have some bomber vehicles.

00:13:48.000 I'm trying to find a better official, but these Ferraris are coming up.

00:13:52.000 Oh, there you go.

00:13:53.000 It's not officially his.

00:13:54.000 He's not in it.

00:13:55.000 But wait, what about that one?

00:13:57.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:13:58.000 Oh, he lives in River Oaks in Houston?

00:14:01.000 Maybe.

00:14:01.000 Yeah.

00:14:02.000 That's his house?

00:14:03.000 Well, go to that car down on the left.

00:14:06.000 I don't know if that's really him or not.

00:14:08.000 It's too small and it doesn't...

00:14:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:14:10.000 That doesn't look like him.

00:14:12.000 Yeah.

00:14:13.000 I was trying harder.

00:14:14.000 I'll try to find something.

00:14:14.000 Don't worry about it.

00:14:15.000 Forget it.

00:14:16.000 We have to crack the mystery.

00:14:18.000 We're being all nitpicky.

00:14:19.000 No, we know he's doing fine.

00:14:21.000 If he doesn't own a car, he's still doing fine.

00:14:23.000 Yeah, he's managed to rake up ungodly sums of money and do so without too much scandal.

00:14:29.000 No, yeah, no.

00:14:31.000 But the money should be the scandal.

00:14:34.000 I think that's the fact that, and it's because the whole God thing is caught up in our government, so there's people in our government who feel like, yeah, this helps me out.

00:14:44.000 I can't be mad at him because I'm trying to be like him.

00:14:47.000 All that happened during the Reagan administration.

00:14:50.000 That's when they first started bringing in those right-wing evangelical people and making them a part of the Republican Party and a part of the campaigns.

00:14:58.000 And those people all claimed to have people who follow them, so you want them to support you.

00:15:03.000 And they will.

00:15:05.000 And they will, like, loyally.

00:15:07.000 It's a very creepy situation, because if you can tap into that market, You can tap into that market.

00:15:14.000 That's what it is.

00:15:14.000 No, it is a market.

00:15:15.000 It really clearly is.

00:15:17.000 I mean, it's nothing more than that.

00:15:18.000 Because if they had real integrity, they would leave it out.

00:15:20.000 Yeah.

00:15:21.000 And, you know, they wouldn't go after those people and try to use those people to win.

00:15:24.000 Oh, no, these people are doing God's work.

00:15:26.000 Let's just help them and prop them up and leave them alone. 0.78

00:15:29.000 No, no, no.

00:15:30.000 They're a pawn. 1.00

00:15:31.000 They're a pawn in this whole little silly game. 0.99

00:15:33.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:15:34.000 This game that's got ridiculous.

00:15:36.000 Where are we right now?

00:15:38.000 Now that you have your show, your CNN show, I mean, you're on CNN, so you're like...

00:15:43.000 I'm on CNN. I'm on the fake news.

00:15:46.000 Yeah, do you get that?

00:15:46.000 Do you get people claiming that you're a part of fake news?

00:15:49.000 Yeah, I mean, yes, but not any, I mean, just like, I'm caught up in the storm.

00:15:53.000 Like, you know, it's not like, it doesn't always come to me, but somebody was like, I did something and somebody was like, another CNN fake news journalist, and I was like, hold on, I'm not a journalist.

00:16:02.000 I'll take the fake news part, but I'm not actually a journalist. 0.99

00:16:04.000 Stand up comedians, stupid. 0.98

00:16:05.000 Yeah, yeah, so I mean, I get caught up in it, but I think, yeah, I mean, but it's not, I don't, it's not coming to me the way it's coming to other people, but. 0.99

00:16:12.000 I mean the bigger thing for me is that when I took the job at CNN is that a lot of because I live in the Bay Area so a lot I was like what are my friends gonna think?

00:16:19.000 You know CNN is not as much as the right wants to say they're the liberal news media to my friends They're not the liberal news media, you know, so what is it to your friends?

00:16:27.000 Very middle of the road probably leaning to the right CNN leans to the right?

00:16:32.000 Yeah.

00:16:32.000 Yes.

00:16:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:33.000 Who the fuck are you hanging out with? 1.00

00:16:34.000 I live in the Bay Area man. 1.00

00:16:35.000 I was out there on Sunday in the rally.

00:16:37.000 Did you have a mask on?

00:16:39.000 No What's the point of that?

00:16:42.000 I went out there with my face.

00:16:43.000 Look at this celebrity star who showed up at the rally.

00:16:47.000 I know the people who started Black Lives Matter.

00:16:51.000 They don't look at CNN and go, this is the liberal news media.

00:16:55.000 Isn't that funny?

00:16:56.000 It's all perspective, right?

00:16:57.000 Yeah, and I'm not, there are lots of perspectives at CNN, and CNN doesn't tell me to make it, they don't tell me to do anything other than what I'm doing, I want to be clear about that, but I'm saying the perception from people, I think it's funny, like some people see it as the liberal news media, and then I have friends who see it as maybe the center,

00:17:13.000 but definitely, but also, or leading to the left, or leading to the right, and I'm just like, well, you know, I'm in there, and I'm not doing anything different because I'm there.

00:17:19.000 Well, you have a different perspective also because you have essentially an entertainment show.

00:17:24.000 Yes.

00:17:25.000 Same as Anthony Bourdain, right?

00:17:26.000 Essentially an entertainment show.

00:17:28.000 Anthony Bourdain's show made my show possible.

00:17:29.000 I wouldn't be there without Anthony Bourdain.

00:17:31.000 Well, really, Jeff Zucker.

00:17:32.000 I mean, Jeff Zucker is a brilliant guy.

00:17:34.000 And I was working under him when I was doing Fear Factor.

00:17:37.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:17:38.000 Yeah, I got to meet him.

00:17:39.000 He's a very, very smart guy.

00:17:41.000 And that was a brilliant move, to have things other than these shows that just continually show over and over again.

00:17:48.000 The collusion with Russia.

00:17:49.000 The collusion with Russia.

00:17:50.000 The new Russia tapes.

00:17:52.000 Now it's just like...

00:17:54.000 Houston over and over again.

00:17:55.000 Exactly.

00:17:56.000 Look at this rain over and over again. 0.99

00:17:58.000 Your show, that's one thing though, being on a news network, anytime some shit goes down, they will bump your show. 0.99

00:18:05.000 Like, if I record your show, then I'll go to it like, aw, what's this Russia shit? 0.98

00:18:11.000 People think we've been bumped more than we have. 0.94

00:18:13.000 Sunday nights is the best night to be on the news, because news things don't happen, but we've been bumped for the Orlando Shooter, which our episode was in Florida that week.

00:18:20.000 I was like, yeah, take us off the air.

00:18:22.000 I don't want to be looking like, look at how fun it is in Florida!

00:18:27.000 We did a spring break episode.

00:18:29.000 It's like, that's not...

00:18:30.000 Oh, no.

00:18:30.000 And then we got bumped.

00:18:31.000 The last episode of the season got bumped.

00:18:33.000 I can't remember what it was.

00:18:34.000 Probably Russia. 0.87

00:18:34.000 I don't remember what it was for. 0.87

00:18:35.000 But yeah, so we've been bumped twice.

00:18:37.000 But the people who really hit it, like the history of comedy was on CNN on Thursdays.

00:18:41.000 Don't be on Thursdays.

00:18:42.000 Thursday's bad?

00:18:43.000 Yeah, because Thursdays, the world is happening.

00:18:46.000 Trump is tweeting.

00:18:47.000 Things are going on.

00:18:49.000 And people are more likely to pay attention to breaking news on a Thursday than a Sunday.

00:18:53.000 It doesn't have to be...

00:18:54.000 People are still keyed into what's happening today.

00:18:57.000 Whereas on Sunday, we're all sort of like, take a break.

00:19:00.000 I think a lot of people thought that when Trump got into office, he would stop with all the insult tweets and stop with all the stuff that made him a popular person.

00:19:09.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 Yeah.

00:19:10.000 And then all of a sudden it went from being like something that like, look at this guy.

00:19:14.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 0.99

00:19:15.000 Look at him. 1.00

00:19:15.000 He's running for president, man. 1.00

00:19:17.000 He's going to win.

00:19:17.000 I think he's our guy.

00:19:19.000 And then all of a sudden they're like, hey, you're still doing that?

00:19:21.000 I mean, even right now amidst all of his like sort of somewhat, you know, presidential style tweets about Houston, there are tweets about his enemies.

00:19:30.000 You know, he can't even like...

00:19:31.000 Let me just not enemy tweet right now.

00:19:34.000 He's still in the middle of talking about these things.

00:19:36.000 Meanwhile, Obama just sent out a tweet like, hey, everybody support the Red Cross.

00:19:41.000 It's like, where's that tweet?

00:19:44.000 Obama obviously doesn't have to do anything anymore.

00:19:47.000 Everything he does could be completely from his own thoughts.

00:19:50.000 He doesn't have an agenda.

00:19:52.000 Yeah, but I think that, I mean, again, I know people who are like, maybe it's time to have some thoughts and an agenda.

00:19:58.000 Oh, for Obama, you mean?

00:20:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:20:01.000 I read an article that said, I didn't read the article, but the headline said, to be honest about this, Obama, the thought is that he's going to come back in the fall to help rebuild the Democratic Party.

00:20:09.000 And I feel like, we don't know if we're going to be here in the fall.

00:20:13.000 Why are you waiting?

00:20:15.000 Why put that off?

00:20:17.000 Things are happening now.

00:20:19.000 Yeah.

00:20:20.000 Now I get he's playing like that Star Trek chess where it's three levels and things are happening and he's seeing things I can't see and he sees the Matrix, but I feel like, you know, I just feel like I'd like to see you before the fall, even though the fall is only like two weeks away.

00:20:32.000 Well, what could he do other than, you know...

00:20:34.000 He's got a lot of money.

00:20:36.000 He certainly has access to a lot of money.

00:20:37.000 For sure.

00:20:38.000 Which means you have a lot of...

00:20:39.000 And he still has a lot of influence, you know, so...

00:20:42.000 I don't know what he could do, but he could do something.

00:20:46.000 I think that even if he just responded to every Donald Trump tweet, I'd be like, yay!

00:20:51.000 I think he's amassing power for something, and maybe he's got some plan that I'll be like, oh my god.

00:20:58.000 But I just feel like he certainly is still one of the most influential people on the planet.

00:21:03.000 Yeah, when you talk about that three-level chess thing or multi-level chess thing, you've got to wonder at what point in time does a...

00:21:11.000 Some sort of a candidate from the Democratic Party arrive like like where are they and who are they and are they thinking?

00:21:19.000 I mean is it Gavin Newsom?

00:21:21.000 Is it you know who is it?

00:21:22.000 I mean I hope it's I mean is I I guess I'm a I I will say this I I think my party affiliation is Democrat But I'm not somebody who's like repping the Democratic Party.

00:21:30.000 I don't these people sometimes think I am just because I'm Against Donald Trump, but So, I would say this, that I hope that that person is somebody whose name we don't even know yet.

00:21:39.000 Because I feel like the thing that happened with Obama is he came out of nowhere.

00:21:42.000 And I think if you go to the usual suspects, with the way that Kearns Bruce Kearns set up, you're doomed.

00:21:47.000 If the Electoral College is still in place in four years, then we're doomed if we go to the usual suspects.

00:21:51.000 Well, Obama might have come out of nowhere, but a lot of people were looking at him like, this guy, here you got this guy, Harvard-educated, very articulate, good-looking, smooth, calm.

00:22:02.000 Clean, as Joe Biden said.

00:22:03.000 He was calm.

00:22:05.000 Like, that was the most...

00:22:06.000 When you look at The way Trump has been responding to all these things, how he freaks out when he gets a small crowd in Arizona at a press conference.

00:22:13.000 I mean, the thing about Obama that stands out more than anything was his composure.

00:22:17.000 Yeah.

00:22:18.000 He felt like the adult in the room.

00:22:20.000 Yeah.

00:22:20.000 Whether you agreed with him or not, and I certainly didn't agree with everything he did, he felt like a grown-up who was making thoughtful adult decisions that sometimes I disagreed with, but I knew he had thought them through.

00:22:29.000 Well, and also, one of the most important things about being a president is the president sort of sets the tone for the rest of the country.

00:22:37.000 Like, he represents the country. 0.77

00:22:39.000 Now, when the president represents the country and he's talking shit about people bleeding from plastic surgery and, you know, fake news and yelling about this, and then saying things that are just absolutely not true, that turn out to not be true, and it's like, and you have to, like, 0.99

00:22:54.000 look at it, and then you vet it out, and you go, well, he's fucking lying? 0.99

00:22:57.000 Like, what? 0.99

00:22:58.000 And all the associating with people with known conspiracy theorists and white supremacists.

00:23:04.000 To me, it's like, again, you're saying you're setting the tone for the country.

00:23:09.000 And all those people feel certainly emboldened by him and empowered by him in a way that is not healthy for the country.

00:23:15.000 Well, even if he doesn't support them, that whole wink and a nod to them.

00:23:18.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:23:19.000 It's very sketchy.

00:23:20.000 Most of, as we know, most of communication is nonverbal.

00:23:23.000 Yeah, so the fact that he doesn't have to even if it sounds like he's saying the right thing if it's not landing with the people He's talking about the right way like if he says you know I support the blacks or whatever it is It's like if it doesn't feel like that to the blacks then it's not it doesn't mean anything Well people know when you're saying something from the heart versus when you're saying something for damage control like Charlottesville Like when he came out after Charlottesville and said that people are behaving badly on all sides on all sides Did you got a Nazi that ran over a crowd of protesters He hit

00:23:54.000 the gas and ran over other white people, you dumb fuck. 1.00

00:23:59.000 This is so crazy to say on all sides. 1.00

00:24:02.000 This is so crazy.

00:24:04.000 Yeah, and he improvised that part.

00:24:05.000 That was not in the speech.

00:24:06.000 That was his riff.

00:24:08.000 On all sides.

00:24:09.000 I think it had been written for him, and he was like, you know, I can't.

00:24:12.000 I gotta put some magic in here.

00:24:13.000 Well, I am of the belief that Non-violence is always the answer and that running around with masks on hitting people with bike locks We're showing up with sticks and bats and the shit that people are trying to do I think although their heart and their mind might be in the right place when you show up with with Bulletproof vests on and helmets and sticks people see that and that is an act of aggression and the Opposition is going to show up in turn with something similar or worse 0.60

00:24:44.000 it escalates Well, I think the problem is is that I was in Berkeley I said in the weekend at the no hate in the Bay Rally that was supposed to that you know that Whoever said they were gonna show up alt-right people I don't they're also be names white supremacists, right?

00:24:56.000 They were gonna show up like 4,000 people showed up by you know somewhere between three three and four thousand people on which side Mostly on the side of not the alt-right.

00:25:05.000 So 4,000 all told.

00:25:07.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:25:08.000 But it was like, the side who was like, not in our streets, this is Berkeley, we don't play this shit, was way bigger than the side from the white supremacy alt-right side. 0.98

00:25:18.000 It was not even close. 0.99

00:25:19.000 As it was in Boston recently.

00:25:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:25:23.000 And overwhelmingly, there was like 13 arrests.

00:25:25.000 And as many people pointed out, there's more arrests than a Raider team.

00:25:28.000 That's not a lot of arrests. 0.94

00:25:30.000 And sometimes you get arrested because they're like, let's just get you the fuck out of here.

00:25:33.000 Or this is a safety issue.

00:25:35.000 So it's like 13 arrests.

00:25:36.000 Some people were injured.

00:25:37.000 No deaths, thankfully.

00:25:38.000 But if you look at all the mainstream news reports, it focuses on those people, the Antifa or the people who are the Black Bloc anarchists, who were there to fight with people.

00:25:49.000 And I was there.

00:25:51.000 There was old people there.

00:25:52.000 There was young people there.

00:25:53.000 I had a friend who was like, yeah, I got an alert on my phone that said that there was tear gas.

00:25:59.000 And I was in the rally like, there's tear gas?

00:26:00.000 Like, he's in the middle of the rally.

00:26:02.000 CNN or the San Francisco Chronicle was like, there's tear gas in Berkeley!

00:26:05.000 And he's like, there is?

00:26:06.000 And all that stuff got overplayed.

00:26:08.000 And I was there.

00:26:09.000 My wife was there.

00:26:09.000 And it was a very beautiful day, despite the reason why the day had come together.

00:26:14.000 Well, there's a real problem in that the media needs something to bleed.

00:26:18.000 They need some tear gas, they need a riot in order to get clicks.

00:26:22.000 It's just like that New York Times article that I talked about with Conor McGregor's face being completely bloodied.

00:26:28.000 No, you're doing that because you're trying to sell newspapers, not because that's what happened.

00:26:33.000 And you haven't hired anybody there on staff who actually knows the UFC or knows boxing or knows combat sports.

00:26:38.000 Like that's to me, it's like, we need an article about this.

00:26:40.000 Well, and also having someone with a perspective that would go to that rally and say, look how many people are here that believe in equality, that believe in unity, that believe in peace, that just want to support this idea that the community is filled with way more of those people.

00:26:57.000 Yeah.

00:26:57.000 And the people with the bike locks and the face masks.

00:27:00.000 You're talking about a few scrambled individuals.

00:27:04.000 And here's the thing about those people.

00:27:06.000 They don't show up when it's just a beautiful day at the park.

00:27:08.000 I live in Berkeley.

00:27:11.000 Nobody's walking through Berkeley like, oh god, is Antifa about to show up to the farmer's market? 1.00

00:27:14.000 Those people don't show up unless they feel like the shit is hitting the fan. 1.00

00:27:18.000 What concerns me is that those people, when they're wearing the bike masks or the masks and the fucking vests and the knee pads and all the shit, that's where you get those assholes in Charlotte that showed up with guns. 1.00

00:27:32.000 Like those guys that were open carrying in Charlotte with bulletproof vests on, walking on the street, showing trigger discipline with their finger on the outside of the gun. 1.00

00:27:40.000 I was like, how the fuck... 1.00

00:27:42.000 Is this allowed? 0.99

00:27:43.000 And many of them dressed in military garb, so they looked like they were part of the military or looked like they were part of law enforcement.

00:27:49.000 That was the real problem, too.

00:27:51.000 Some people were confused and thought they were part of law enforcement.

00:27:56.000 And I think the thing about Antifa, I would say this, too, is that the reason why Antifa even has a room to exist is because people in those communities don't think they can count on the police.

00:28:07.000 Because there were two other protests in Berkeley that erupted in violence because the police were standing by watching it happen.

00:28:15.000 They didn't go in and break it up.

00:28:17.000 And that certainly happened in Charlottesville, too.

00:28:19.000 What's been said, and I don't know if this is true, but it's been said that the police were instructed in Berkeley to not engage with the anarchists.

00:28:26.000 Yeah, I don't know how that works.

00:28:28.000 I know the mayor of Berkeley.

00:28:30.000 And then I found out recently that the mayor of Berkeley isn't actually in charge of the police, which I'm like, then...

00:28:35.000 What's the point of being the mayor?

00:28:36.000 So who's in charge?

00:28:37.000 The chief?

00:28:38.000 I guess the chief is in charge.

00:28:39.000 I had never heard of that before.

00:28:40.000 Fernando Green told me that.

00:28:42.000 He talked to the mayor.

00:28:43.000 He's like, I'm not actually in charge of the police.

00:28:44.000 And I'm like, then why are we listening to you?

00:28:46.000 Well, that actually makes sense.

00:28:47.000 Can we talk to the boss? 0.97

00:28:48.000 Because how the fuck could the mayor have enough time to be paying attention to every single issue that the police have to deal with when he's dealing with every single issue the mayor has to deal with? 0.98

00:28:55.000 That makes sense. 0.99

00:28:56.000 But the president's in charge of the military.

00:28:58.000 Sort of.

00:28:58.000 But one of the things that the president has done is sort of given the power to the generals.

00:29:04.000 And that's one of the things that the military really enjoys about Trump.

00:29:07.000 Yeah.

00:29:07.000 As opposed to any of their presidents.

00:29:08.000 They feel like the handcuffs are off.

00:29:10.000 Yeah, but I think that at the end of the day, the president can consult if he tells the generals to go do this thing.

00:29:16.000 I think the president has too much power.

00:29:21.000 The president, as many people have reported, can launch nukes if he wants to.

00:29:25.000 Somebody would have to violate his order to not launch the nukes.

00:29:28.000 So I think there's too much power there.

00:29:30.000 But I do think it's weird that the person you elect to lead the city isn't in charge of law enforcement.

00:29:35.000 Well, as soon as he pardoned Joe Arpaio, that's when everybody went, wait, what?

00:29:42.000 I mean, there's no serious debate.

00:29:45.000 The problem is now we have debate about things that is like, these aren't two equal sides.

00:29:49.000 There's not many sides.

00:29:50.000 There's nobody who seriously knows the law or knows what Joe Arpaio's history, who believes he was not guilty of those things.

00:29:56.000 He bragged about the things, profiling people, and bragged about abusing people.

00:30:00.000 He bragged about people dying in his prisons because they had heat stroke.

00:30:04.000 Yes.

00:30:05.000 I mean, they couldn't get cold water.

00:30:07.000 These people were out in tents at 120 degrees.

00:30:09.000 There's an article that somebody wrote, and this kid was born in Tijuana, lived in Arizona, and got arrested for drunk driving and spent a year in those camps.

00:30:20.000 You know, look, he was raised in America.

00:30:23.000 He was essentially an American.

00:30:24.000 Right.

00:30:24.000 Even though he was born in the wrong patch of dirt for some people.

00:30:27.000 Yes.

00:30:28.000 He's an American.

00:30:29.000 He just got arrested for drunk driving and did a year in this tent and was talking about how people died around him.

00:30:35.000 Yeah.

00:30:35.000 And talking about the food that they ate and how ruthless the...

00:30:40.000 And, you know, some people have this opinion of like, hey, well then don't break the law. 0.83

00:30:44.000 But that is a goddamn convenient way to look at it and not...

00:30:49.000 It's just not very humane and not very... 0.96

00:30:52.000 And not what we're supposed to be in this country.

00:30:53.000 I mean, we're not supposed to be a country that is that punitive with the law.

00:30:57.000 We often are.

00:30:57.000 And also, we know, the one thing we know about America is that the law is not equally applied to everybody.

00:31:02.000 So, you know, a rich guy, rich white guy, drunk drives.

00:31:06.000 He's not going to prison for a year, you know?

00:31:08.000 Arpaio did throw some rich white guys in jail, unfortunately.

00:31:11.000 He threw everybody.

00:31:12.000 Was it in that prison?

00:31:13.000 Was he going to the outside hot prison? 1.00

00:31:15.000 He threw a lot of I mean, he's a cunt. 1.00

00:31:18.000 I was talking nationally. 0.99

00:31:21.000 Yeah, that the law is not applied equally to everyone.

00:31:26.000 We know that if you have money and privilege, you can get out of situations, but that other people who don't have money and privilege can't get out of it.

00:31:32.000 Well, sure.

00:31:32.000 I know comedians that have been arrested in L.A. for drunk driving.

00:31:35.000 They never did a day in jail.

00:31:36.000 Yeah.

00:31:37.000 You know, and this one kid who was born in Tijuana does a year in a tent.

00:31:41.000 Yeah.

00:31:41.000 You know, it's, I mean, look, you shouldn't drunk drive.

00:31:44.000 No, yeah, that's, I mean, I feel like there should be some punishment.

00:31:47.000 Yeah, you should be, you should, if you break the law, there should be repercussions.

00:31:51.000 Especially that one, because you don't have You have control of your body, and you're driving a deadly vehicle, and you could crash into a family.

00:31:57.000 Look, there's a lot of real, real issues with that.

00:32:00.000 Yeah, that's why we have the law.

00:32:01.000 Like, I mean, like I did, we did an episode of United Shades in the first season about San Quentin, about lifers in prison in San Quentin.

00:32:06.000 And I talked to a lot of guys, first of all, none of the guys I talked to said they didn't do it.

00:32:09.000 Everybody I talked to was like, yeah, I did it.

00:32:11.000 I'm guilty of the thing I did.

00:32:12.000 But when you heard what they did a lot of times, you're like, Is that life in prison?

00:32:16.000 Like what?

00:32:17.000 There's a guy who was convicted of robbing two banks.

00:32:21.000 That's bad.

00:32:22.000 Let's say that's bad.

00:32:23.000 Definitely bad.

00:32:24.000 Nobody died.

00:32:25.000 Nobody got hurt.

00:32:25.000 Certainly people were traumatized by the fact he robbed a bank.

00:32:27.000 He didn't even have a gun.

00:32:28.000 He did the thing.

00:32:29.000 Because you can rob a bank by just saying, give me the money, I have a bomb.

00:32:31.000 You know, like whatever.

00:32:32.000 But didn't have any weapons, anything like that.

00:32:35.000 Now that's bad.

00:32:36.000 But he's probably in his 60s now, and I met him, and he's one of the coolest people I've met.

00:32:40.000 He's a leader in prison.

00:32:41.000 He's one of the guys who runs the newspaper, and he invited me.

00:32:44.000 He talked to my agent, like, you're coming back in September to speak to the guys.

00:32:47.000 He's a total leader, and he's in prison for life?

00:32:51.000 For the rest of his life.

00:32:52.000 Not Joe Arpaio.

00:32:54.000 Yeah.

00:32:54.000 Joe Arpaio's directly responsible for people being dead.

00:32:57.000 Yes.

00:32:58.000 Yeah.

00:32:59.000 There's a ton of people that have mysteriously died inside that guy's prisons.

00:33:02.000 Yeah.

00:33:03.000 And that's the part about me.

00:33:04.000 It's like, this is not the same scales of justice we're talking about here.

00:33:07.000 No.

00:33:08.000 There's a guy who got a third strike in California, because you know California, third strike law that happened, for firing a gun in the air.

00:33:13.000 That's bad.

00:33:14.000 But that ended up with him getting life in prison.

00:33:16.000 And you're just like...

00:33:18.000 I mean, you know, it's bad.

00:33:20.000 It's bad.

00:33:21.000 I feel like I have to say that enough.

00:33:22.000 I'm not saying let every inmate out.

00:33:24.000 But I'm saying it's bad, but life in prison?

00:33:27.000 Well, the idea that you can never reform people.

00:33:29.000 That seems insane.

00:33:32.000 Well, I guess...

00:33:33.000 There's the other perspective is where the resource is going to come from to actually reform someone how much effort does it take and Individual cases are different and some people really are just Habitual criminals and there's nothing you can do about it And if you do release them and they continue to do a crime or they they hurt somebody That they didn't have to like where does the burden lie there,

00:33:53.000 but I you know, I think Norway I believe is the country Jamie likes to look it up that the longest prison prison sentence you can get is 20 years you Prisoners live in like one-bedroom apartments like they you know, they have TV they have and the whole thing is like and this is San Quentin has this to there's rehab programs I talked to inmates who said that and then after 20 years in Norway,

00:34:12.000 they talk to you and go Are you ready to go back outside like they don't let you out automatically, but they sort of check back in with you And so if you're not like the guy who shot up the those people in Norway, he's probably gonna get out again, right, but the whole idea is that Yeah, small percentage of prisoners served more than 14 years Wow Yeah,

00:34:29.000 but the thing is, they're in there, like in San Quentin, I talked to inmates who said, in most California prisons, the rehab programs are AA and Jesus.

00:34:38.000 Like, that's all they have.

00:34:39.000 And AA is Jesus, too.

00:34:41.000 Exactly, yeah.

00:34:42.000 Just a pathway to Jesus.

00:34:45.000 But in San Quentin, there's a newspaper.

00:34:49.000 There's restorative justice programs.

00:34:52.000 You can learn how to code.

00:34:55.000 There's prisoners who learn how to code right now.

00:34:57.000 So when you come out, there's lots of other programs I can't even think of.

00:35:00.000 But there's yoga in San Quentin.

00:35:03.000 Because it's the Bay Area and so there's all these things in the so that when you come out You are a more fully formed human being so that you have you have job skills You've you've done restorative justice programs You've helped other inmates who came in to do restorative justice programs so that when you come out It's not that it's easy to get to be paroled from prison,

00:35:19.000 you know But when you come out you're more prepared for the world as opposed to guys in other prisons in California Who get out who have just been like doing rehab and Jesus and have no way to interact with the world Yeah, and just feel like they've just been punished, being isolated and locked in a cage.

00:35:33.000 And as a lot of those guys say, they go in there for one crime that's not a big deal, and they learn how to be better and badder criminals in prison.

00:35:38.000 Because you have to sort of like, California has like levels of prison.

00:35:41.000 I think level four is the worst, or maybe level five.

00:35:44.000 But anyway, so everybody sort of starts out at a level four.

00:35:47.000 So if you are in prison in California for something, you know, shooting a gun in the air, you're there with murderers.

00:35:54.000 And then you have to survive that and hopefully graduate to San Quentin.

00:35:57.000 But if you're in there with murderers, you have to survive that.

00:35:59.000 And so a lot of guys become bigger, badder criminals because they're surrounded by bigger, badder criminals.

00:36:04.000 Just to put on armor.

00:36:05.000 Just to protect yourself.

00:36:06.000 Just to get through the day.

00:36:07.000 And so, to me, like the whole, I mean, you know, the, you know, and there's a lot of money that's already in prisons that's not being used well.

00:36:13.000 The prison, you know, private prison system, like we are selling, private companies are selling, like they have to keep the prisons full because they're running a prison for profit.

00:36:24.000 It's like we need to keep the beds full.

00:36:26.000 It's not about rehab and rehabilitation.

00:36:28.000 It's about we need to keep the beds full because we are a corporation running for profit.

00:36:32.000 That's where it gets dark. 0.99

00:36:33.000 How the fuck did anybody ever approve that? 0.99

00:36:37.000 That is so scary. 0.99

00:36:40.000 Basically, they're using humans as cells in a battery.

00:36:43.000 Like a giant battery that generates income.

00:36:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:36:47.000 And the goal is not to turn these guys into better citizens.

00:36:52.000 The goal is to keep the men and women, the goal is to keep the prisons filled. 0.99

00:36:55.000 Well, it's absolutely been proven by prison guard unions trying to, they mean they lobby against marijuana legalization.

00:37:01.000 Yeah.

00:37:02.000 Marijuana, which is probably the one thing that's going to stop people from committing crimes.

00:37:07.000 Yeah.

00:37:07.000 I mean, you're talking about violent crimes?

00:37:09.000 If there is a drug that's going to stop you from doing a violent crime, that might be it.

00:37:13.000 Or at least maybe like lessen the chances and calm you the fuck down. 0.65

00:37:18.000 Maybe I should sit down and just chill out for a second before I go do that thing. 0.82

00:37:21.000 Yeah.

00:37:22.000 There's no other reason to lobby against it.

00:37:23.000 You want to keep your job.

00:37:24.000 You want to make sure that you have plenty of jobs for the people in your union.

00:37:27.000 Yeah.

00:37:28.000 And there's many of those people who are in prison for nonviolent drug offenses, like marijuana and other things, who are there next to murderers.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:36.000 You know, you have to figure out how to navigate through that.

00:37:39.000 And if you're not in San Quentin, you're not in a place where you can learn other skills.

00:37:44.000 I mean, you know, again, guys in San Quentin are getting college diplomas, getting all sorts of certificates and things.

00:37:49.000 But the problem is that nobody then wants to release them from prison.

00:37:53.000 Right.

00:37:53.000 Take that chance.

00:37:54.000 Nobody wants to go, you know, no politician goes, I have released more inmates from prison than any politician in the history of this country.

00:38:01.000 No, that's All it takes is one Willie Horton, right?

00:38:04.000 Yeah, which we, you know, and that was like, you know, we're, again, we're demonizing like one case.

00:38:08.000 Same thing with Berkeley.

00:38:09.000 There's a picture that was on, I think it was in the San Francisco Chronicle, of an antifa, I'm going to go, antifa, black, black, I don't know, like with, like with, like a, like a gas bomb and, and surrounding that person is journalists taking pictures of him.

00:38:22.000 Mm-hmm.

00:38:23.000 So that becomes the face. 0.89

00:38:25.000 It's like they're not surrounded by other black block people. 0.98

00:38:28.000 It's like all the journalists are like, that's where the picture is.

00:38:30.000 You know, not like the people who are like, I was on a truck with clergy singing like spirituals.

00:38:36.000 Nobody took pictures of that and put it on the news.

00:38:38.000 KQED did.

00:38:39.000 I'm sorry, KQED did.

00:38:40.000 Did they?

00:38:40.000 Yeah, the local public radio station.

00:38:42.000 Because I'm a celebrity.

00:38:43.000 I was in the back of the truck.

00:38:45.000 Well, anytime there's some sort of a gathering, you're always going to have people in that gathering that act out, try to get more attention than they deserve, or that get caught up in the whole group movement.

00:38:57.000 There's always this sort of gigantic mass...

00:39:02.000 Of people that will cause people to behave, some people, to behave in a way that's uncharacteristic.

00:39:09.000 I mean, there's just that mob mentality.

00:39:12.000 It's a real thing.

00:39:13.000 That happens at rock concerts and hip-hop concerts.

00:39:16.000 Sure, baseball games, anything.

00:39:18.000 Mob mentality is 100% real. 1.00

00:39:19.000 You can feel it in the air when shit's going sideways. 0.99

00:39:22.000 I mean, you've been in clubs where it's like... 0.97

00:39:25.000 Something happens, like a heckler or something, the whole energy changes, and there's that moment like, what's about to happen?

00:39:30.000 And you've also been in that position, I'm sure you have, where you feel like, I have a lot of power in this moment.

00:39:35.000 Calm everybody down. 1.00

00:39:37.000 If I go, yeah, fuck you! 1.00

00:39:40.000 If you said get him, people would get him. 1.00

00:39:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:39:45.000 If I said get him, they'd be like, I will write my congressman.

00:39:50.000 You're right.

00:39:51.000 We should start a petition.

00:39:52.000 And that's real.

00:39:55.000 And I think the thing is that everybody responds differently.

00:39:58.000 The thing that happened, I'll say specifically in Berkeley, was that there's a sense that these people brought violence to Berkeley the last two times they came.

00:40:05.000 And people respond differently to threats of violence.

00:40:08.000 Some people respond with the non-violent thing.

00:40:09.000 Some people respond to, I won't go to the park that day. 1.00

00:40:11.000 And some people respond with, fuck it, bring it. 0.98

00:40:14.000 But don't you think there's also a real issue in you I mean you got to find out what is actual hate speech and what is like Someone like Ben Shapiro who I think is just a conservative guy Who's very articulate and doesn't promote hate at all and he's extremely reasonable But there's a lot of people that equate him even though he's an Orthodox Jew a lot of people equate him with being a Nazi and they try to silence him from speaking Like, 0.99

00:40:39.000 when you do that, I think it becomes a giant issue.

00:40:41.000 And I think you've got to let people talk.

00:40:43.000 And if you disagree with people, I mean, as long as they're not out there promoting violence or promoting negativity or promoting some sort of a, you know, anything that it's abhorrent.

00:40:53.000 But if you let someone talk, and then if you have someone that disagrees with them, have a debate.

00:40:59.000 Have a debate and have everybody be peaceful and civil with each other.

00:41:02.000 I mean, I think the problem is that line of what hate speech is, and I just talked to somebody from the ACLU on my other podcast about the whole hate speech thing.

00:41:11.000 What podcast?

00:41:12.000 Politically Reactive.

00:41:13.000 Yeah, it's a podcast with my friend Hari Kondabolu.

00:41:16.000 It's a weekly Talk about politics.

00:41:17.000 We were going to do it.

00:41:18.000 We started it right before the election.

00:41:20.000 Like, we'll do this political podcast, then Hillary will win, then we'll go about our business. 0.99

00:41:25.000 Not that we were huge Hillary supporters, but that was the deal we were offered.

00:41:29.000 Do it up until the election.

00:41:31.000 And then it was like, oh, I guess we're doing this maybe forever.

00:41:33.000 Yeah, maybe through the end of time.

00:41:35.000 If he becomes like Putin.

00:41:36.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:41:37.000 I mean, you know.

00:41:38.000 That's the real fear.

00:41:39.000 You know, although then I guess I stay employed.

00:41:41.000 I don't know.

00:41:41.000 Chris Rock was on stage right after the election.

00:41:43.000 He goes, you know he's never getting out of there.

00:41:45.000 You know that, right?

00:41:46.000 He's going to be there forever. 0.62

00:41:47.000 He scared the shit out of me because I never thought about that.

00:41:50.000 I mean, you know, Bloomberg stayed in New York an extra term just because he wanted to. 0.55

00:41:54.000 You know, New York governors.

00:41:55.000 Yeah, New York mayors are supposed to be two terms and out.

00:41:57.000 And he was like, it was, I forget what it was, but it was like, he was like, I think I'm going to stay in another one.

00:42:01.000 And they let him?

00:42:02.000 How'd they do that?

00:42:03.000 I didn't live in New York at the time, so I don't know how it all went down.

00:42:05.000 Did they change the law?

00:42:06.000 I think he changed the law.

00:42:07.000 I don't know if he changed it permanently, but yeah.

00:42:09.000 So there's a precedence for this, is all I'm saying.

00:42:11.000 There's a precedence for some sort of like, the country needs me because it's so divided. 0.99

00:42:15.000 Yeah, motherfucker, because you divided it. 0.99

00:42:17.000 This is how the game works. 0.99

00:42:19.000 So I would say the thing about Ben Shapiro, and I've only seen a little bit of his work, but I know there are people on that side who it's an ideological argument.

00:42:28.000 And ideological arguments sometimes can be filled with hate.

00:42:31.000 So I don't know Ben Shapiro.

00:42:32.000 So that sometimes is like, well, yeah, you're just making an ideological argument, but it ends with me having to move out of America.

00:42:39.000 He's not that guy.

00:42:41.000 But some people make these ideological articles.

00:42:45.000 I'm not saying him.

00:42:47.000 But the problem is that now there's a whole movement associated with things that maybe Ben looks to be a part of, so that if he shows up, people don't know that he shows up going, I'm not bringing violence, but there may be violence traveling around with him.

00:43:01.000 It's not him, but there are others like him, or less reasonable, like alt-right. 0.99

00:43:08.000 Like, whatever the fuck alt-right is. 0.99

00:43:10.000 That's the problem. 1.00

00:43:11.000 I don't think we know what the fuck it is. 0.99

00:43:13.000 What's Antifa? 0.99

00:43:14.000 Right?

00:43:14.000 And what is that?

00:43:15.000 I mean, there's people that are on that that are violent, and there's people that consider themselves anti-fascist that are extremely peaceful.

00:43:23.000 And they would say that they're Antifa, the real Antifa.

00:43:27.000 And then what is Black Block? 0.66

00:43:29.000 What is that?

00:43:29.000 That's new.

00:43:30.000 Black Block anarchists.

00:43:30.000 I think it's probably a Bay Area thing.

00:43:32.000 How long has that been going on?

00:43:33.000 I think it's been going on a while.

00:43:35.000 Really?

00:43:35.000 I don't know, but it's a thing that whenever we would see, I think now we're calling it Antifa, but there would be, I mean, this happened, there were some Black Lives Matter protests in Berkeley, and some black, black anarchists, it's described the same way, wearing black, all covered up, and they were like, and these people showed up,

00:43:50.000 so I don't know if they were Antifa, and were like, great, now we can loot!

00:43:53.000 And people stood in front of stores going, no, no, no, we're not doing that.

00:43:57.000 We're not doing that.

00:43:58.000 This has nothing to do with you getting into the Verizon store.

00:44:01.000 Right.

00:44:02.000 That's nothing to do with you ransacking this Radio Shack.

00:44:06.000 I saw some of the Antifa people trying to stop one of the other Antifa people from beating up a Trump supporter.

00:44:13.000 They had this guy down.

00:44:14.000 Oh, that was a journalist, Al Letson.

00:44:16.000 Yeah, he's a Bay Area journalist.

00:44:17.000 He has the podcast reveal.

00:44:18.000 And he's the guy that tried to stop them? 0.95

00:44:20.000 Yeah, black guy. 0.96

00:44:20.000 Black guy waded through the white people. 0.96

00:44:22.000 Well, there was white people that I saw doing it, too.

00:44:24.000 So it must have been more than one incident.

00:44:28.000 Certainly, there are people who are like...

00:44:30.000 There's people who support Antifa because they feel like, well, we need somebody who stands up to this, but there's not people who support people beating people up randomly.

00:44:38.000 So yes, Al Letson and other people stepped in.

00:44:41.000 The thing about the Berkeley and the Bay Area is that people don't get, they think it's all one thing.

00:44:47.000 Like, that it's all some sort of, like, lefty, like, socialist, blah, blah, blah.

00:44:51.000 And the thing about Berkeley is it's not that.

00:44:53.000 The Bay Area's not that. 0.99

00:44:54.000 It's a lot of different people who feel like, who are on some version of the left, but they don't all necessarily agree with each other, and they let a lot of shit go. 0.97

00:45:01.000 Like, it's not, like, you know, so that can be the naked guy who walks through town. 0.97

00:45:05.000 Like, that doesn't mean we all support people walking around naked, but we're like...

00:45:09.000 But it also means that during Obama's reign, I lived in San Francisco, there were libertarians set up on corners with big huge pictures of Obama with Hitler mustaches painted on him.

00:45:19.000 And we're all like, huh, all right.

00:45:21.000 It's like, you know, as long as you don't want to start a fight, do your thing, man.

00:45:26.000 And that's what people don't get who have put this whole lefty sort of whatever libtard thing on Berkeley. 0.79

00:45:32.000 It's not one thing.

00:45:33.000 It's not.

00:45:34.000 It's where it's a lot of things at the barriers.

00:45:36.000 It's where all the freaks sort of end up.

00:45:37.000 We're like, I don't feel in my life that I'm understood.

00:45:40.000 But we don't agree with each other.

00:45:41.000 Right.

00:45:42.000 The thing that we sort of all agree on is that you can.

00:45:44.000 So if the alt-right wanted to show up You know, conservative people come speak at Berkeley all the time.

00:45:49.000 It's specifically around people who look like they're bringing violence or bringing, targeting people.

00:45:54.000 That's the problem.

00:45:55.000 You see Berkeley, one of the professors, I think, of law there, his name is John Yoo, Y-O-O. He wrote the Bush torture memos. 0.83

00:46:02.000 He's a professor at UC Berkeley.

00:46:05.000 Nobody's like, I guess he's a good professor.

00:46:08.000 You know what I mean?

00:46:08.000 What is he a professor in?

00:46:09.000 A law.

00:46:10.000 He's a law professor.

00:46:11.000 And he's been there for a long time.

00:46:12.000 And he wrote the Bush torture memos that said, you know, if you do some waterboarding, this is not a direct quote, but he wrote the memos that said that it sort of outlined how to do enhanced interrogation techniques.

00:46:23.000 He's been there for a long time.

00:46:24.000 Ain't nobody thinking about him?

00:46:25.000 You know who they are now.

00:46:27.000 Go get him, everybody.

00:46:28.000 No, but I mean...

00:46:29.000 Don't say that.

00:46:31.000 I'm jokes.

00:46:32.000 I've never met him.

00:46:33.000 I've never socialized with him.

00:46:34.000 But he's there.

00:46:34.000 And also the dude who is deep in the Clinton White House.

00:46:39.000 I can't think of his name.

00:46:40.000 But yeah, there's also at Berkeley.

00:46:42.000 Like there's not some sort of lefty version of Berkeley that is one thing.

00:46:45.000 It's a lot of different things.

00:46:46.000 The free speech thing is true.

00:46:48.000 The thing that people are nervous about is violence.

00:46:50.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:51.000 So I think that, you know, Ann Coulter can come speak at Berkeley anytime she wants to if there's this thing about, like, I'm not going to encourage violence.

00:47:00.000 Here's the issue with Ann Coulter.

00:47:02.000 I think Ann Coulter is an opportunist.

00:47:04.000 And I think that what she does is try to inflame people so that she can sell books and stay relevant. 1.00

00:47:10.000 She's actually going after the market, like we were talking about earlier.

00:47:13.000 She saw this market out there and was like, huh, I'm a pretty blonde lady.

00:47:16.000 I could probably sell some books.

00:47:18.000 She's a what? 1.00

00:47:19.000 I think that's how she's been marketed.

00:47:20.000 She's a what? 1.00

00:47:20.000 At some point. 1.00

00:47:21.000 I'm a black guy.

00:47:22.000 I can't see her.

00:47:22.000 What are you seeing?

00:47:24.000 What kind of glasses do you have, dude?

00:47:26.000 Can I try them on real quick?

00:47:28.000 I feel like early in her career she was marketed that way.

00:47:31.000 I'm not trying to say.

00:47:32.000 Wow.

00:47:33.000 There's a lot of those out there.

00:47:34.000 I don't think she's one of them.

00:47:35.000 There are a lot of those, though.

00:47:36.000 I'll let you be the expert.

00:47:37.000 Yeah, please do.

00:47:39.000 I'll take it from here.

00:47:40.000 I'm a blonde lady. 0.99

00:47:42.000 Yeah, there you go.

00:47:43.000 There's a lot of that.

00:47:44.000 In this package, it's the same way as comics.

00:47:49.000 We go, oh, you're the guy who does this.

00:47:52.000 She's doing it online.

00:47:53.000 There's people that do that online.

00:47:55.000 They're saying things that are inflammatory.

00:47:57.000 They're saying things you don't necessarily, if they're being completely objective and reasonable, they wouldn't say that.

00:48:03.000 They're only saying it because they think it's going to get a reaction.

00:48:05.000 Which is why her and Bill Maher get along together, because they're both doing the same thing.

00:48:08.000 I can't deal with that.

00:48:10.000 I just don't have enough time.

00:48:11.000 There's not enough time in the world.

00:48:13.000 You should get attention for what you deserve attention for, and if you want attention, by being provocative intentionally.

00:48:19.000 Unless you're funny. 1.00

00:48:20.000 Fuck off. 1.00

00:48:21.000 That's the nature of comedy, yeah. 1.00

00:48:22.000 But if you're not funny, fuck off. 1.00

00:48:24.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:48:24.000 No, it's absolutely true. 1.00

00:48:25.000 I think she thinks she's funny.

00:48:26.000 But I feel like Berkeley has had conservative speakers speak there throughout the history of Berkeley.

00:48:30.000 It's not about that.

00:48:31.000 Right, but the history is different than the current.

00:48:33.000 The current is ramped up recently.

00:48:35.000 But the current thing is because when Milo was going to show up, There was the fear, and he had seen it happen before, where he was targeting students, either undocumented students, he was naming students during his stage thing who were undocumented or trans, and there was fear, like, that's promoting violence.

00:48:50.000 The undocumented thing is a huge issue.

00:48:54.000 Specifically targeting individuals.

00:48:56.000 And that thing is, Berkeley's like, we can't stand for that.

00:48:59.000 That's not about free speech, that's about safety.

00:49:01.000 And I feel like that's where does hate speech begin and where does free speech begin?

00:49:05.000 It's a huge murky area that even the law can't tell you where it is.

00:49:09.000 But those issues of what is free speech and what isn't free speech or freedom of expression.

00:49:14.000 Again, the Bay Area.

00:49:15.000 I live right next to Oakland.

00:49:16.000 Black Panthers were in Oakland.

00:49:17.000 California used to be an open carry state until the Black Panthers were like, oh, it is? 1.00

00:49:22.000 And they went to Sacramento when Reagan was there and openly carrying, and people were like, huh, maybe this open carry is not such a good idea.

00:49:30.000 It's not really a debate right now in Charlottesville, though, is it?

00:49:34.000 They're just letting it slide.

00:49:35.000 So it's about who's in power and what they want to let you get away with.

00:49:38.000 Is Charlottesville open carry?

00:49:39.000 I mean, it must be.

00:49:41.000 There's no way.

00:49:44.000 I think they picked Charlottesville for a reason.

00:49:47.000 Isn't that weird though?

00:49:49.000 Because it's like a liberal arts college, a blue dot in the middle of this red state that is open carry.

00:49:57.000 There's reasons they're targeting these places. 0.98

00:49:59.000 I think Berkeley, up until recently, felt like a soft target, because they'd been there twice and whooped our asses. 0.93

00:50:04.000 They were like, alright, we should schedule a third fight. 0.94

00:50:07.000 Like Mayweather.

00:50:08.000 Want to fight again, McGregor?

00:50:10.000 Not in the octagon.

00:50:11.000 No, no, not yet.

00:50:12.000 On my terms.

00:50:13.000 Let's make it right.

00:50:14.000 Yeah, so this third time it was like, we were like, no.

00:50:17.000 Well, Charlottesville to me was so representative of the times that we're in because all these white guys with citronella candles they got from Home Depot. 1.00

00:50:23.000 It's like, what in the fuck? 0.99

00:50:25.000 Why don't you guys like carry Whole Foods bags as well? 1.00

00:50:28.000 Walk around with Crocs on.

00:50:29.000 It's also tiki torches are not white inventions, so it's like a whole, like, it's just the whole thing.

00:50:33.000 Like, you had to, you couldn't even bring your own, you couldn't just bring sticks, you had to bring...

00:50:36.000 Polynesian tiki torches. 0.98

00:50:37.000 But the whole torch thing, like what the fuck are you doing? 0.99

00:50:41.000 Why do you have torches? 0.99

00:50:42.000 Because they're invoking the images of white people carrying torches that have terrorized people of color and black people.

00:50:47.000 But that's what it is.

00:50:48.000 There's no other reason to carry torches.

00:50:50.000 That's why the free speech thing is like, you're purposely invoking an image.

00:50:54.000 Because you could have just held your phones up with the lights on.

00:50:57.000 We were talking about those headlamps you get when you go camping. 1.00

00:51:02.000 Those are way better than those stupid fucking torches. 1.00

00:51:04.000 Yeah, they want to look supreme. 1.00

00:51:06.000 That doesn't make you look supreme.

00:51:06.000 It's also what torches represent is fire, and fire is very volatile.

00:51:10.000 You could use that fire, you could light things on fire.

00:51:13.000 Like, we're at step one. 0.99

00:51:14.000 Step two is we start lighting shit on fire with this fire. 0.99

00:51:17.000 Like right now we're carrying it around in a controlled manner. 0.99

00:51:19.000 But you're showing, it's in a way like a step below open carry.

00:51:24.000 You're walking around with something you can use to light things on fire.

00:51:28.000 And they know the history of white people carrying torches is the Klan.

00:51:32.000 So they're very purposefully doing the thing.

00:51:34.000 I love the idea that there's probably these Klan members like, dude, that's why we wore the hoods.

00:51:38.000 So we couldn't be wrecking.

00:51:40.000 We didn't want to be fired.

00:51:41.000 That's why we wore the hoods.

00:51:42.000 All those guys are getting fired left and right and called out.

00:51:45.000 And crying.

00:51:46.000 Yeah.

00:51:46.000 I think they know the history of that.

00:51:48.000 They know the history of the fact that if we show up carrying torches, it means something different than if we show up wearing headlamps or carrying our phones. 0.95

00:51:53.000 But they couldn't even get those fucking Frankenstein-style torches where they wrap cloth. 0.98

00:51:58.000 Those burn too quickly. 0.99

00:51:58.000 Those... 0.99

00:51:59.000 Those are so not real.

00:52:01.000 They had to replenish those every 15 minutes on those movie sets.

00:52:05.000 Yeah, as I learned with the Klan, that would burn too quickly.

00:52:09.000 Yeah, well, that's also the thing with flaming arrows.

00:52:11.000 Like, people that think that you could light an arrow and throw it.

00:52:14.000 No, they go out. 1.00

00:52:16.000 You shoot a fucking arrow. 1.00

00:52:17.000 Wind and airworks and velocity. 1.00

00:52:19.000 Yeah, 200 feet per second, you're shooting it through the air.

00:52:21.000 That thing's going to go out.

00:52:23.000 It's not going to be able to light that boat on fire. 0.98

00:52:25.000 Get the fuck out of here with that. 1.00

00:52:26.000 You know, there was probably a rehearsal for the torch thing where they actually did have regular torches and they're like, oh, this isn't. 0.98

00:52:30.000 Yeah, this is not working, guys.

00:52:32.000 Ow! 1.00

00:52:33.000 Well, you know, Home Depot was probably like, wait. 0.99

00:52:36.000 How many fucking torches? 0.98

00:52:37.000 What do you guys have, like, the biggest backyard ever? 0.99

00:52:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:52:41.000 What are you doing?

00:52:42.000 You know, your Home Depot manager's now like, how many torches do they want?

00:52:44.000 Slow down a second.

00:52:46.000 Backyard torches.

00:52:47.000 Like, what? 0.95

00:52:48.000 Those things with, like, the bamboo stalks that they're using for the bottom or whatever the fuck the stick is. 0.93

00:52:53.000 It's just... 0.98

00:52:54.000 God, it's so the sign of the times.

00:52:57.000 It's such a poser move.

00:52:58.000 Yep, it is a poser move.

00:52:59.000 And yet they know that if you're a black person walking through the streets of Charlottesville and you see that coming your way, and you're invoked by images of America's past, where that was like, that equaled death.

00:53:12.000 Because back then, the torches were for your house.

00:53:15.000 You know, the torches were for you.

00:53:16.000 They were not just showing strength.

00:53:19.000 And they know that.

00:53:20.000 And that's why when people go, it's just free speech, it's like, we have to stop acting like that.

00:53:24.000 You can't say it's just free speech if you're walking around with a torch.

00:53:27.000 It's definitely more than that.

00:53:28.000 You don't have to have a torch.

00:53:29.000 Everyone can see you.

00:53:31.000 It's not so dark out that we can't see you.

00:53:33.000 Especially in those in that way.

00:53:35.000 My wife actually the other day was like, there's a guy walking on the street with a blowtorch.

00:53:38.000 It's only now because we think like, what's that mean?

00:53:40.000 But like, in the Bay Area...

00:53:41.000 He was a welder.

00:53:42.000 Yeah, exactly.

00:53:42.000 She didn't call the cops.

00:53:44.000 She was just like on the phone, there's a guy walking on the street with a torch.

00:53:46.000 But the idea is that...

00:53:48.000 That didn't alert her because it was just some guy walking under the torch, but it's specifically the context of night time, a group of hundreds of white guys carrying torches walking towards people.

00:53:58.000 That's not free speech.

00:53:59.000 That's not freedom of expression.

00:54:00.000 And the chants.

00:54:02.000 The chants that they were yelling out. 0.91

00:54:04.000 The whole thing was just so fucking bizarre. 0.98

00:54:07.000 It's like, how did they organize? 0.92

00:54:09.000 Where are these guys meeting up to figure this out?

00:54:11.000 I feel like it's the same thing as live action role play.

00:54:14.000 It's like they're meeting up online and then they probably meet for the first time when they get there.

00:54:17.000 You know?

00:54:18.000 And I think it's also just really, you know, it's really indicative of, like you said, the times we live in, that they think they can get away with this and then get surprised when they get fired.

00:54:31.000 Like, they think that, like, oh, we'll just do that and then we'll go to Applebee's.

00:54:34.000 You know, like, it's just like, no, dude, we can see you. 1.00

00:54:37.000 Well, it's indicative of them being fucking stupid, which is why they're doing it in the first place. 0.99

00:54:41.000 Which is why when the president goes on both sides, maybe there were people, and a lot of people said this, maybe there were some white people who were like, yeah, I do feel like my rights are being a little bit trampled on and I really want to show up. 1.00

00:54:52.000 The minute you hear people chanting like, oh, whatever the anti-Semitic things they were saying, you've got to go home.

00:54:57.000 Yeah, what were they saying about take it back from the Jews or stop the Jews from taking over? 0.98

00:55:03.000 Yeah.

00:55:03.000 Yeah, and the president can't come out against that.

00:55:07.000 Well, he's seeing people open-carrying with military outfits on, walking with these folks.

00:55:13.000 He's seeing these people walking down the street with torches.

00:55:16.000 And he doesn't have some sort of an articulate response to that where he's saying, like, look, ladies and gentlemen, this is not being inclusive.

00:55:23.000 This is not like stepping up and saying that what we need to do is come to some sort of an understanding and be at peace with each other, which is what America should be.

00:55:34.000 Yeah, but you started it wrong.

00:55:36.000 Articulate response.

00:55:38.000 That's not his thing.

00:55:39.000 He used to be more articulate, which is really weird.

00:55:42.000 I don't think men should do anything when they're 70. I really don't, because I think they're old, their dick doesn't work anymore, their fucking skin's falling off their face, their back starts to hurt, they're cranky. 0.99

00:55:54.000 I just think when you get to be that age, you should just shut the fuck up. 1.00

00:55:57.000 Yeah, you should sit down. 0.99

00:55:59.000 You should go fishing or something.

00:56:00.000 But you definitely shouldn't have the kind of insane, high-pressure job that, by the way, nobody should have.

00:56:05.000 Nobody should be the one guy or the one woman who runs the whole country. 1.00

00:56:09.000 It's an insane responsibility.

00:56:12.000 I was reading about Obama.

00:56:14.000 Oh, I put a tweet up yesterday about when the Republicans were freaking out because Obama wore a tan suit.

00:56:19.000 You remember that?

00:56:20.000 Yeah, there's all this This Day in Obama scandal, like in the middle of a Trump thing.

00:56:24.000 And you forget.

00:56:25.000 You're like, oh my God.

00:56:26.000 They were trying to find something to get mad at.

00:56:29.000 There would be days when he wouldn't wear a jacket.

00:56:31.000 He would just wear a button-down shirt and a tie.

00:56:34.000 Bush's thing was he always wore, W. Bush always wore a full suit.

00:56:37.000 And Obama was like, I'm still the president. 1.00

00:56:39.000 I'm just hot in This is the thing that's so stupid. 0.99

00:56:46.000 There's many people on the left who had big, huge disagreements with Obama that we weren't able to express effectively because we were too busy defending his birth certificate. 0.99

00:56:57.000 That was a Trump thing.

00:56:58.000 Yeah, and that was a Trump thing. 1.00

00:56:59.000 He was the head of that shit. 1.00

00:57:01.000 He was the head. 1.00

00:57:01.000 He was certainly... 1.00

00:57:02.000 He saw that thing happen and sort of stepped into it.

00:57:04.000 Like, yeah, I like this spot.

00:57:05.000 Didn't he hire people to go investigate it?

00:57:08.000 Joe Arpaio was a part of this.

00:57:09.000 He sent people to Hawaii.

00:57:11.000 There's all these tweets where he's like, I just sent a team to Hawaii.

00:57:14.000 The things they found are...

00:57:16.000 It's big.

00:57:16.000 It's sad.

00:57:17.000 It's amazing.

00:57:18.000 And then here we sit...

00:57:20.000 Nobody ever held him in...

00:57:21.000 Trump never got held into account for anything.

00:57:23.000 It still doesn't really get held into account for anything that he's said or done.

00:57:25.000 What bothered you about Obama when he was in office?

00:57:29.000 A lot of the stuff he did was business as usual president stuff.

00:57:31.000 Like, you know, using the military and nations and killing innocent civilians that didn't need to be caught up in war.

00:57:39.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:57:40.000 Like drone shit. 0.99

00:57:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:57:43.000 We were supposed to get out of Afghanistan. 1.00

00:57:45.000 It's just regular president shit that his first... 1.00

00:57:48.000 I drank all the Obama Kool-Aid the first time around. 1.00

00:57:51.000 Hope and change.

00:57:52.000 A lot of the hope and change was about not being a president as usual.

00:57:55.000 Also, I don't think he really...

00:57:56.000 The thing that Trump does really effectively, the thing that George W. Bush did really effectively, Republicans do a good job of that.

00:58:02.000 They really know how to use the bully pulpit to really push their things through.

00:58:06.000 Not that Trump has really done anything to push things through, but he knows how to be a bully from the pulpit.

00:58:10.000 He hasn't really passed any major legislation.

00:58:13.000 But Obama, because he wanted to be an adult and he really wanted to be a unifier, and I think a lot of that comes literally from the fact that he's half black and half white, that he has existed in more than one world.

00:58:24.000 I felt like there were times where it's like, dude, you are an effective speaker, you could really push through single-payer healthcare in a way.

00:58:30.000 At least the debate on it.

00:58:32.000 So we don't settle for Obamacare.

00:58:34.000 I think that he didn't...

00:58:36.000 I've never talked to the man.

00:58:38.000 I've never met him.

00:58:39.000 I feel like I'm the only black person associated with Hollywood who's never met Obama.

00:58:42.000 Does that piss you off?

00:58:44.000 No.

00:58:45.000 I just feel sort of like...

00:58:46.000 My dad has a picture with Obama.

00:58:48.000 I just feel like...

00:58:49.000 It'd be nice to be able to tell my kids, what was the first black president like? 0.99

00:58:52.000 I have no fucking idea. 0.98

00:58:55.000 That he didn't use the full force of his presence, because he was a rock star. 0.98

00:59:01.000 And I feel like that could have pushed some things through, or at least got us to debate things.

00:59:06.000 Even Obama going, when they asked him about gay marriage, he was like, I've evolved on that.

00:59:10.000 He had nothing to do with legalizing marriage equality, but the president saying that made a lot of people go, huh.

00:59:15.000 Maybe I'm ready to evolve.

00:59:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:59:17.000 I don't think he used the full force of his bully pulpit in the way that I... I always said I wanted him to drive the presidency the way George W. Bush did.

00:59:24.000 Like, there's no rules.

00:59:25.000 There's no law.

00:59:26.000 Do you feel like when someone gets into office, they realize how complex the inner workings of the federal government really are, and then they just kind of abandoned a lot of the ideas that they wanted to push when they got in there?

00:59:36.000 Like, remember when Obama had that Hope and Change website that had all the stuff about whistleblowers?

00:59:40.000 And now whistleblowers are going to be protected under the Obama administration.

00:59:44.000 And then as soon as he got in office, he was worse on whistleblowers than anybody.

00:59:47.000 And then he removed that section of the Hope and Change website.

00:59:50.000 They deleted it after the whole, you know, the Edward Snowden thing and the Bradley Manning thing, Chelsea Manning thing. 0.98

00:59:57.000 They were like, fuck this. 0.99

00:59:58.000 You can't do that. 0.99

00:59:59.000 Yeah, I think usually, we're not saying that with this current president, but I do think that's the thing where they get in there and suddenly people go, because as part of this, you are the most powerful individual in the world, but also the train is going this way.

01:00:09.000 It's already left the station.

01:00:11.000 So I do think that you're not going to get really an ultimate revolutionary mindset in the president's seat.

01:00:19.000 You just want somebody who's reasonable.

01:00:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:00:22.000 You're not going to get somebody who's...

01:00:26.000 The Alicia Garza from Black Lives Matter is not going to be the president as much as I think she'd be great at it because it's just not going to end up with somebody who actually has a revolutionary mindset. 1.00

01:00:35.000 So then if you start out there, then when you put those people in there, then they, you know, I don't know what the pressures of the office are.

01:00:41.000 I'm sure they're amazing, but it automatically leads you to capitulate, you know?

01:00:43.000 And if you have a revolutionary mindset, you might be able to use that for one aspect of being the leader of the entire free world. 0.97

01:00:52.000 But what about all the other shit that guy has to deal with all day long? 0.98

01:00:56.000 There's not enough time in the day. 0.99

01:00:57.000 No one has enough of an intention.

01:00:59.000 Trump apparently has enough time to go golfing.

01:01:02.000 Because he's not doing it.

01:01:03.000 He's not doing the stuff.

01:01:04.000 I mean, how many people aren't even appointed in the Pentagon?

01:01:06.000 Yeah.

01:01:06.000 There's a shitload of jobs that they haven't even filled yet.

01:01:09.000 Apparently for Trump, there's extra time in the day.

01:01:11.000 But I do think, and I want to be clear, because I know people listening, when I say revolutionary mindset, I mean single-payer healthcare is a revolutionary mindset.

01:01:18.000 Every American has the right to healthcare.

01:01:22.000 Every American has the right to send their kids to good public schools that are well-funded.

01:01:28.000 These are things I think that are, when I say revolutionary mindset, I don't mean setting things on fire.

01:01:33.000 I mean like Revolutionary ideas that every person in this country deserves.

01:01:37.000 And I think that those people aren't going to be in the driver's seat of the White House.

01:01:41.000 Well, utilizing the resources that we have because of the fact that we pay taxes, a tremendous amount of money goes to the federal government with very little recourse.

01:01:50.000 There's no audit.

01:01:51.000 You don't get some sort of machine that tells you exactly where your tax dollars went.

01:01:55.000 You don't get to pick.

01:01:56.000 Could you please send this to the schools?

01:01:57.000 Yeah, what would be important?

01:01:59.000 You know, what would be more important to fund?

01:02:01.000 I mean, I think we should all have that conversation.

01:02:04.000 And I just think that the way it's structured right now, the amount of power that corporations have, the amount of power that special interest groups have influenced the president, the amount of just the sheer money in politics with lobbyists.

01:02:18.000 And, you know, there's this one community outside of Washington, D.C. It's one of the richest communities in the world, and it's all lobbyists.

01:02:25.000 I mean, these are just people that are using and selling influence.

01:02:29.000 Yeah, you know, people sort of call me a communist, but I think I'm not a communist at all.

01:02:34.000 What are you, do you think?

01:02:35.000 I'm a capitalist.

01:02:36.000 I'm trying to make money, man.

01:02:39.000 I also believe I can help spread a better message and use my resources to help people, but I'm in show business.

01:02:49.000 I know activists, and I know how hard they work, and then I sometimes use my resources to help those people out and donate money, but I'm in show business.

01:03:00.000 I'm in Kevin Hart's career.

01:03:02.000 Like, I'm not Kevin Hart, and I have a lot of respect for Kevin Hart.

01:03:05.000 I think he's amazing.

01:03:06.000 But it's like, I have to sort of remind myself and other people, like, yeah, I'm not...

01:03:09.000 Sometimes people put the word activist next to my name.

01:03:11.000 I'm like, activist is actually a job.

01:03:13.000 I don't have that job.

01:03:14.000 I mean, I do things that are engaged in activism, but my tax form says comedian, you know?

01:03:19.000 Well, you have interests.

01:03:21.000 Yeah, I have interests.

01:03:22.000 And you also have thoughts about how things can be better.

01:03:25.000 And you use your platform to spread those thoughts.

01:03:28.000 Yeah, and I also want a bigger house.

01:03:32.000 And I think that it's okay to do all those things.

01:03:37.000 For my family, not just because I want to roll around with my money.

01:03:40.000 I want a bigger house so I can move my mom out to it. 1.00

01:03:43.000 There are selfish interests in there.

01:03:46.000 So, yeah.

01:03:48.000 I'm not trying to.

01:03:49.000 But I do think that this country has a level of resource.

01:03:52.000 Like, there's a website.

01:03:53.000 It's called DonorsChoose.org.

01:03:54.000 And I'm not trying to do a commercial, but it's a website where schools in your area, you go to the website, and you put in, like, your zip code.

01:04:01.000 And you will see the public schools in your area that need things.

01:04:05.000 And it's sad what they need.

01:04:09.000 We need paper.

01:04:10.000 Right.

01:04:11.000 We need...

01:04:11.000 Like, we're trying to teach the kids how to, like, learn how to read, and we don't have any books.

01:04:16.000 Where the fuck did that happen? 0.97

01:04:19.000 Where did it go wrong? 0.99

01:04:20.000 There's so little money for schools that teachers get paid like $30,000 a year, and they're supposed to survive off of that.

01:04:26.000 And...

01:04:26.000 Every teacher, even at private schools, but certainly public schools, put their paycheck back into the school because they go, the kids need, we're trying to teach a learning thing and we don't have the stuff and they can't afford it.

01:04:38.000 So every public school teacher I've ever known used some of their check to go back into the school.

01:04:44.000 Yeah, I mean, it's just like...

01:04:45.000 That is one of the most important things that we have.

01:04:47.000 And they're not making...

01:04:48.000 Educating kids.

01:04:49.000 Yeah, they're not making...

01:04:50.000 And some of them are making $30,000 a year.

01:04:52.000 Some of them are like teacher's aides who's just out of college.

01:04:54.000 But they have to...

01:04:55.000 If they don't put money into the classroom, their kids will not have things.

01:04:59.000 And that's...

01:04:59.000 Even private school teachers do that.

01:05:01.000 But they may not put as much.

01:05:02.000 But yeah, every teacher I've ever known has to do that.

01:05:04.000 And we don't think that's a problem.

01:05:06.000 Like, I feel like...

01:05:07.000 Why isn't it that...

01:05:08.000 I feel like there'd be some way...

01:05:09.000 Like, why isn't Mark Zuckerberg's public school teacher getting a percentage?

01:05:13.000 You know?

01:05:15.000 There should be some tax on all of us that goes back to our public school teachers if we went to public school.

01:05:19.000 But I feel like it's weird to me that we're acting like these people come out of nowhere. 0.98

01:05:23.000 Because Joel Osteen's got all that shit piled up in his basketball stadium. 0.99

01:05:27.000 I do think nobody talks about that as hoarding money. 1.00

01:05:31.000 That's hoarding.

01:05:32.000 That's hoarding.

01:05:33.000 He doesn't have to pay taxes. 0.98

01:05:35.000 If you don't have to pay taxes, you're fucking straight up hoarding. 0.90

01:05:38.000 There's no cat skeletons in there, and he should do billionaire hoarding. 0.90

01:05:42.000 I feel like that's a thing.

01:05:43.000 I mean, that is literally what made the guy who created Scientology get involved in it.

01:05:49.000 That was literally the idea behind L. Ron Hubbard, making a shitload of money, created a religion.

01:05:54.000 Best way to make money.

01:05:55.000 Yeah.

01:05:55.000 It's literally his quote.

01:05:57.000 Yeah, and then, you know, we were talking about it before we got on, but there's all these, like, you know, there's, like, religion is a good way to make money, but then there's all these, like, motivational speaker type people.

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:05.000 Where it's like, I'm, like, looking like, what are you?

01:06:07.000 Now, where were you before you were this?

01:06:08.000 Yeah.

01:06:09.000 Okay.

01:06:09.000 Exactly.

01:06:10.000 If Oprah's a motivational speaker, yeah, motivate me. 0.94

01:06:12.000 What did you do?

01:06:13.000 Right.

01:06:13.000 But a lot of people, I'm like...

01:06:14.000 Some people are like, weren't you just a comic before?

01:06:17.000 Yeah.

01:06:18.000 Not even a good one.

01:06:20.000 I mean, I get...

01:06:21.000 I know one of those.

01:06:22.000 Yeah, I mean, I just feel like there's all...

01:06:24.000 I didn't ask one time.

01:06:25.000 I know a guy was a hack, and now he's a motivational speaker.

01:06:27.000 Yeah, and it's just like...

01:06:28.000 And you listen to the things, you're like, yeah, that all sounds right, but who are you?

01:06:32.000 I don't...

01:06:32.000 You know, what's your resume that you get to tell us?

01:06:37.000 I mean, all this stuff is sound right.

01:06:38.000 We can all...

01:06:38.000 Read fortune cookies and go...

01:06:40.000 What's your actual achievements?

01:06:41.000 Yeah, what's your...

01:06:42.000 I mean, if you, for example, were like this weekend in Berkeley, I'm doing the Joe Rogan motivational speaking training seminar, I'd be like, I'm gonna go see what Joe's talking about, because there's clearly a thing you've done, and you could be like, I want to know how this all happened.

01:06:57.000 How do I get my own podcast studio?

01:06:58.000 But there's a lot of people out there who are sort of not...

01:07:01.000 They can't be a religious leader, because that does require some work, and you've got to develop a new take on Jesus, which is hard.

01:07:08.000 But they are doing this thing where they just are motivating people based on the fact that they've read motivational books.

01:07:16.000 The new take on Jesus is what Bieber's guy is doing, right?

01:07:20.000 I keep hearing wisps of Bieber.

01:07:23.000 Is that what's happening?

01:07:24.000 Bieber has some Jesus guy who's also influencing athletes.

01:07:28.000 Who's the athletes he's got?

01:07:33.000 Yeah, but he's some up-and-coming Jesus dude.

01:07:36.000 New take on Jesus!

01:07:38.000 Who apparently just really knows how to sell it. 0.89

01:07:40.000 He knows how to tickle those balls of Jesus lovers. 1.00

01:07:43.000 Well, because I think, you know, you get to that Bieber level. 0.78

01:07:45.000 He's been famous since he was, what, 12?

01:07:46.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:07:47.000 And he's got all the money, and he's probably had all the sex with every different combination of humanity he wanted to have sex with. 0.98

01:07:53.000 Oh, yeah. 0.99

01:07:53.000 Hybrids. 0.99

01:07:54.000 Exactly!

01:07:56.000 He's moving on to animal-human hybrids. 0.75

01:07:58.000 He's got stem cell people working on new humanity. 1.00

01:08:01.000 I want to fuck a mermaid. 1.00

01:08:01.000 Alright, Biebs, we're on it. 1.00

01:08:05.000 And so he's done all the substances he can do and all the combinations, and he's had all the new houses, all the cars, and then you wake up in a room like, what does this mean?

01:08:16.000 And somebody's like, I got a new take on Jesus for you.

01:08:18.000 Oh.

01:08:19.000 Yeah.

01:08:20.000 Yeah.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, you gotta wonder, man.

01:08:23.000 That's why you gotta pull out earlier.

01:08:25.000 That's why you gotta, like, as far as if you, once you get to that, if Bieber had retired five years ago.

01:08:29.000 Is this the guy?

01:08:29.000 Yeah.

01:08:30.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:08:30.000 Oh, that is a new take on Jesus.

01:08:32.000 I wanna get this guy on my podcast. 0.99

01:08:34.000 Three hours, I bet you can find out what the fuck that dude's all about. 0.98

01:08:37.000 Yeah, that is a new take on, look at that, with the haircut and everything. 0.99

01:08:40.000 Yeah.

01:08:40.000 It's like the Jesus beard, but Jesus with the hipster haircut.

01:08:44.000 Yeah, he looks like a band member.

01:08:46.000 Yeah, it looks like, yeah.

01:08:47.000 Like I could see him with a neck tattoo.

01:08:49.000 Yeah, see, this is like grungy Jesus, because he's not, like, pastors normally wear suits and stuff, but yeah.

01:08:55.000 Hmm, interesting.

01:08:57.000 Hmm.

01:08:58.000 Yeah, your take on Jesus.

01:08:59.000 I don't think that anybody can get through what Bieber did and be any better than he is. 0.80

01:09:04.000 I think it's insane to think that you could take a child and not have them go through the normal developmental shit that we all go through, not being liked and trying to get people to like you and dating a girl and getting your heart broke and getting in a fight and getting in arguments and not having any money.

01:09:22.000 Egging your neighbor's houses. 0.99

01:09:23.000 Getting a fucking, yeah. 1.00

01:09:25.000 Neighbors' mansions. 1.00

01:09:27.000 I mean, he did a lot of fucked up shit, but I mean, he is essentially like living out his adolescent with a billion dollars in public. 1.00

01:09:35.000 It's insane. 1.00

01:09:36.000 And I mean, we already saw how that works out with Michael Jackson.

01:09:38.000 It doesn't go well for anybody. 0.96

01:09:41.000 Who the fuck has ever got through it? 0.98

01:09:42.000 Maybe Jodie Foster, but I don't know her. 0.99

01:09:44.000 She might be the only one.

01:09:46.000 I think she got through it, but she also turned the volume way down.

01:09:48.000 Jodie disappeared.

01:09:50.000 She moved to Paris.

01:09:51.000 She lived her life. 1.00

01:09:52.000 She had a whole family that people were like, I Where the fuck is she? 1.00

01:09:57.000 It's like Kurt Russell's another dude who was a huge movie star as a kid. 0.97

01:10:01.000 But most people don't get through that.

01:10:04.000 The entire cast of Different Strokes is gone.

01:10:07.000 Maybe not Todd Bridges. 1.00

01:10:09.000 Todd's still around, but he's fucked up. 0.95

01:10:10.000 I have two daughters, but my oldest daughter is definitely a performer and wants to be in stuff. 1.00

01:10:18.000 I told my agent yesterday, if you ever see me bring her in here, kill me! 1.00

01:10:22.000 I'm like, that means we're done. 0.98

01:10:25.000 Yeah, that means that I've lost all perspective.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, I mean, I don't think you're even a person until you're 25. No, yeah.

01:10:31.000 You're like a work in progress.

01:10:32.000 That's why they don't let you rent a car until you're 25. Yeah.

01:10:34.000 We need a person behind the wheel of this car.

01:10:36.000 Yeah, I didn't, by the way, I didn't have that opinion until like maybe about five or six years ago. 1.00

01:10:40.000 I'm like slowly starting to develop that, like realizing that when you see someone who's young and stupid and doing dumb shit, like, oh, their fucking brain's not even ready yet. 0.99

01:10:48.000 Yeah, I mean, I think that, well, the older you get, you might keep raising that level too. 1.00

01:10:52.000 Yeah.

01:10:52.000 You might end up being 30 and then 40. Maybe 50. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:10:55.000 I just think That age bias.

01:10:58.000 You know what?

01:10:58.000 I think it's probably 60. I don't even think it's an age bias.

01:11:01.000 I think it's just understanding who you are now today is very different than who you were a decade ago or two decades ago. 1.00

01:11:08.000 And if you're not, you fucked up. 0.99

01:11:10.000 I think that's a Muhammad Ali quote, a man who thinks the same way as 50 as he did at 30, has wasted 20 years of his life. 1.00

01:11:17.000 You should be going through some new experiences.

01:11:19.000 You should be wiser.

01:11:20.000 Yeah, you should be wiser.

01:11:21.000 And you should be like, man, I can't believe I do that. 1.00

01:11:22.000 That's dumb shit. 1.00

01:11:23.000 That's why it's really sad when you talk to someone who's 50 who doesn't know anything about the world, doesn't read, doesn't pay attention, isn't watching documentaries. 1.00

01:11:31.000 That's what I think is so awful about Trump is he seems completely uncurious.

01:11:34.000 He doesn't seem like a curious individual.

01:11:36.000 To me, that's the worst. 0.99

01:11:38.000 That's worse than dumb. 1.00

01:11:39.000 That's worse than racist. 0.99

01:11:41.000 I just feel like he's just completely uncurious about the outside world.

01:11:44.000 Well, also the way he adorns his homes with gold, like a 12-year-old that just got a magic bottle that he gets to rub.

01:11:55.000 He gets to rub this genie bottle.

01:11:57.000 And they're like, what do I want?

01:11:58.000 I want everything gold!

01:12:01.000 The furniture!

01:12:02.000 The chandelier!

01:12:04.000 And if it's not actual gold, I want it gold-colored.

01:12:07.000 You know the people.

01:12:09.000 There's people who work at the White House forever, no matter who the president is.

01:12:12.000 You know those people, and they're like...

01:12:14.000 What is he doing?

01:12:15.000 Is that what he's doing in the White House?

01:12:17.000 There's a whole renovation that's happening.

01:12:19.000 That's why part of the reason they said he went on his 17-day break is that they were doing a bunch of renovations in the White House.

01:12:23.000 And is he allowed to just do whatever he wants?

01:12:25.000 He can do whatever he wants.

01:12:26.000 So what if he wanted to do black light paintings of Jimi Hendrix and Bruce Lee?

01:12:31.000 That's the problem with the presidency.

01:12:34.000 Heretofore, we thought there was limits on stuff.

01:12:36.000 Right!

01:12:36.000 And Trump doesn't believe in limits.

01:12:38.000 Because everybody was reserved.

01:12:39.000 We thought, oh, naturally, the natural selection of running for president only elevates the best people.

01:12:45.000 Or the people most prepared for the job.

01:12:48.000 And I mean, obviously, there's lots of people we can appoint to and go to that person.

01:12:51.000 But generally, people thought that just the natural selection process.

01:12:54.000 In the same way that...

01:12:56.000 Kind of like Conor McGregor just upset the whole thing.

01:12:58.000 We thought up until then you had to be a professional boxer who had lots of fights before you got to Floyd Mayweather.

01:13:04.000 And then Conor was like, I don't think that's the way that works.

01:13:07.000 Obviously that's a completely different situation.

01:13:10.000 This is not about me.

01:13:10.000 I think I'm I'm a big Conor fan, so I'm not mad at that at all.

01:13:13.000 But no, you're right.

01:13:14.000 It's like a new way to the top.

01:13:15.000 It's a new way that people are like, I didn't know you could do that.

01:13:17.000 And then it makes other people...

01:13:18.000 So I think Trump has done that to the presidency, where it's like, we thought there was just the process of natural selection, ended up with somebody who at least had a through line of an idea.

01:13:28.000 Because if you don't agree with Bush, George W. Bush, or you don't agree with Clinton, you at least knew there was a through line of an idea.

01:13:34.000 And I think with Trump, there's not the belief that there's a through line of an idea.

01:13:38.000 Yeah, and there's also this idea that he wings things.

01:13:42.000 Yes.

01:13:42.000 Like, he gets and has these press conferences.

01:13:44.000 Like, that one that he had that really set a lot of people back, like, just a couple of months into his presidency, where he went on this, like, 70-minute rant and just, you know, rallied about fake news. 0.99

01:13:54.000 And people came out of that going, what in the fuck was that? 0.92

01:13:57.000 Was that the one in Phoenix, or...? 0.99

01:14:00.000 Was that recent?

01:14:02.000 No, I'm talking like way early.

01:14:04.000 One of the first ones that he did.

01:14:06.000 I remember I got texts from friends who were Republicans who were like, this is not good.

01:14:10.000 He seems unstable.

01:14:12.000 I think the one in Phoenix felt a little bit like...

01:14:16.000 You know, it's a little bit like Jeff Foxworthy doing the old, you might be a redneck jokes. 0.99

01:14:22.000 Like, dude, write some new stuff.

01:14:23.000 Like, he was still doing, like, the same stuff.

01:14:26.000 Like, he's still going over the same, he's still legislating.

01:14:29.000 Like, dude, stop saying Crooked Hillary. 0.71

01:14:31.000 We have moved as a nation.

01:14:32.000 Even fans of Hillary are like, we got it.

01:14:34.000 Move on.

01:14:35.000 He's still doing the same electoral victory and all these things that he's been doing.

01:14:38.000 It doesn't seem like, get to a new idea, man.

01:14:40.000 Well, that was one of the really sad moments when he was confronted by a reporter.

01:14:45.000 And he was talking about how he won by the biggest margin ever.

01:14:48.000 And the reporter said, well, actually, sir, that's not true because of this and that and that.

01:14:52.000 And he goes, well, I'm from Republicans.

01:14:53.000 As a Republican.

01:14:54.000 He's like, no, that's not true either.

01:14:56.000 And he starts rattling off the actual statistic.

01:14:59.000 And he goes, well, you'll agree that I won by a large margin, right?

01:15:02.000 He goes...

01:15:03.000 You are the president.

01:15:04.000 Thank you.

01:15:04.000 It's like, what?

01:15:05.000 Who are you?

01:15:06.000 Like, what kind of crazy ego battles have to have on live television?

01:15:10.000 This is a guy who's way more related to Bieber than he is to any other president, as far as, like, he's surrounded by people who have told him, good job, good decision.

01:15:17.000 I mean, there's the insanity of, like, first of all, there was the fake Time magazine cover that was in his golf courses.

01:15:24.000 I mean, that's insane.

01:15:25.000 That's insane.

01:15:28.000 We've all taken the fun fake magazine cover.

01:15:30.000 We don't put it up and make people think it's real.

01:15:32.000 That is insane.

01:15:33.000 Then there's another one that I just found out recently.

01:15:35.000 At one of his golf courses, there is a fake Confederate monument.

01:15:39.000 There's like a plaque that says there was a battle here.

01:15:42.000 They call this the River of Blood.

01:15:45.000 And they talk to historians like, none of that.

01:15:48.000 None of that happened.

01:15:48.000 And it's got Donald Trump under the bottom.

01:15:51.000 He's saying, Donald J. Trump, this is what happened here.

01:15:55.000 And it's not like, oh, it's an exaggerated...

01:15:58.000 Donald Trump's golf course plaque honors fake Civil War battle. 1.00

01:16:01.000 Holy shit! 1.00

01:16:03.000 The River of Blood. 0.99

01:16:04.000 People are like, that's not, this was never. 0.99

01:16:06.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:16:07.000 That is insane. 1.00

01:16:08.000 I mean, to me, that's like, yeah.

01:16:09.000 The Potomac River near the 15th green is shown during round three of the senior PGA championship at Trump National Golf Course on May 27th.

01:16:19.000 2015 report about a factually inaccurate plaque featured at Donald Trump's Northern Virginia Trump National Golf Club has resurfaced this week in light of the president's controversial remarks about the violent weekend in Charlottesville. 0.98

01:16:33.000 Fucking A, man. 0.92

01:16:34.000 And they went to like three different historians, and one, and they were like, yeah, that's, there's no, he's not even getting something wrong. 0.99

01:16:41.000 It's not like, yeah, there was, it's just, yeah, just that didn't.

01:16:44.000 Do you think he did that?

01:16:45.000 Or someone did that and brought it to him?

01:16:47.000 In the New York Times story, they questioned him about it, and he says, no, I talked to historians who said it was a very blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

01:16:53.000 He, it's in the, uh, see, no, uh-uh, no way.

01:16:57.000 Nothing like that ever happened there, Richard Gillespie.

01:16:59.000 He was adamant about the accuracy of the plaque.

01:17:01.000 However, uh, I would say that people were shot.

01:17:13.000 A lot of them.

01:17:14.000 What?

01:17:16.000 Does he understand how war goes?

01:17:18.000 Just because you're in war when you're walking around, you don't get shot everywhere you are.

01:17:21.000 Yeah, just because you're in war.

01:17:23.000 Because the battle's not everywhere people are.

01:17:26.000 The Trump, a self-professed big history fan, was unable to name the historians he claimed had told him the site was known as the River of Blood.

01:17:32.000 Wow.

01:17:34.000 This is...

01:17:35.000 So...

01:17:37.000 Wow.

01:17:37.000 To me...

01:17:38.000 Wow, that's crazy.

01:17:39.000 Yeah, and that's been there for a while.

01:17:40.000 So to me, it's like, this is, again, this is where the press...

01:17:43.000 Forget the fake news media, the fake news. 0.79

01:17:45.000 This is where the press really fucked up, is by entertaining him through the election season without really making a hard effort to go right at the truth of the matter. 0.86

01:17:57.000 Like, people thought, again, I think people were seduced by the idea, well, it's... 0.72

01:18:00.000 He's not going to win.

01:18:01.000 He's going to drain the swamp.

01:18:03.000 We're getting good.

01:18:03.000 Well, I mean, even people who didn't agree with him, people on the left who were like, he's not going to win.

01:18:07.000 I had friends who were like, I don't even waste time thinking about him.

01:18:09.000 And I was like, you better probably want to waste some time.

01:18:12.000 That they didn't, people didn't go after him hard enough about all these little things.

01:18:16.000 Meanwhile, let's again, Barack Obama had to pull out several copies of his birth certificate.

01:18:22.000 You know what I mean?

01:18:23.000 And yet people want to go, I don't know if he's racist, Trump.

01:18:26.000 I don't know.

01:18:26.000 Well, here's my take on it.

01:18:27.000 I don't give a fuck if he was born in Kenya. 1.00

01:18:29.000 I don't care. 0.99

01:18:30.000 I don't remember where I was born.

01:18:32.000 They told me I was born in New Jersey, but I wasn't there.

01:18:35.000 You were there, but you weren't paying attention.

01:18:36.000 I wasn't there.

01:18:37.000 I was barely out.

01:18:37.000 I didn't understand words.

01:18:39.000 Like, I didn't understand cities.

01:18:41.000 It's not your choice where to be born.

01:18:42.000 The idea that you're better off because your choice was to be... 0.99

01:18:45.000 By divine birthright, you were shit out in Michigan. 1.00

01:18:49.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:18:49.000 So you could run this country. 0.99

01:18:50.000 That's why the whole immigration thing and the refugee thing is ridiculous. 1.00

01:18:53.000 It's insane. 0.95

01:18:54.000 But it doesn't...

01:18:57.000 It shouldn't matter, but it does matter.

01:18:59.000 And also, they were using he was born in Kenya as a way to promote a lot of conspiracy theories that were connected to him.

01:19:05.000 That if you start to buy the, it was a fake birth certificate because his parents, when he was born, knew he was going to be the first black president.

01:19:11.000 So they got him a fake Hawaii birth certificate.

01:19:14.000 And then you attach a lot of things to him that illegitimize his presidency.

01:19:18.000 Because if Trump had said, I don't agree with Obama's policy on this and this and this and left all this stuff behind, then yeah, let's run for president.

01:19:26.000 Well, the craziest one was that he was some sort of a Manchurian candidate. 0.98

01:19:29.000 He was some sort of an undercover Muslim that was sent to destroy America. 1.00

01:19:35.000 He's trying to destroy America! 0.99

01:19:37.000 Can't he just be a disappointing president?

01:19:39.000 Isn't that enough?

01:19:40.000 Must we take it to that?

01:19:42.000 That's the part about this disturbing, is that Obama, who was just...

01:19:45.000 They were questioning the legitimacy of his presidency.

01:19:49.000 Like, just the fact that he shouldn't even be president because he wasn't born here in this country, and he's a... 0.88

01:19:53.000 And then with Trump, all these things should be questioned.

01:19:58.000 Is he fit enough to run for president?

01:20:01.000 Is he a serious enough person?

01:20:04.000 Because I don't know, you know, can you question people's mental facility?

01:20:07.000 But is he a serious enough person to run for president?

01:20:10.000 It's clearly no.

01:20:11.000 He's not serious enough to be president.

01:20:12.000 You have fake Time Magazine art.

01:20:15.000 The fake Time magazine one is almost inexcusable.

01:20:18.000 I mean, absolutely inexcusable.

01:20:20.000 And he said he'd been on the cover of Time more than anybody else, which is again, it's like, this is not true.

01:20:24.000 But had he been on the cover before?

01:20:26.000 Actually he'd been on the cover?

01:20:26.000 Yeah, but there was like, but yeah, but he had been, he, I think, I think, we'd have to look this up.

01:20:30.000 He had been on the cover, but not that, that picture.

01:20:32.000 It wasn't that picture.

01:20:33.000 It wasn't that, there was.

01:20:34.000 But why would he do that then?

01:20:35.000 Why wouldn't he just frame the real one?

01:20:38.000 You know, you have to ask your...

01:20:40.000 But that's what's crazy, right?

01:20:41.000 I mean, the guy has actually been on Time Magazine.

01:20:43.000 So if he has, I don't know that he has.

01:20:45.000 But he's certainly been on the cover of magazines.

01:20:47.000 For sure.

01:20:48.000 Yeah, it's like, get another one.

01:20:49.000 Yeah, get one that you've been on.

01:20:51.000 It's not like you're not famous.

01:20:52.000 Yeah, that's the weird part.

01:20:53.000 He needs to feel like the most famous.

01:20:57.000 He needs to feel like the...

01:20:58.000 But what do you think?

01:20:59.000 What's the thought process behind that?

01:21:01.000 Did someone bring that to him?

01:21:02.000 Did he say, I need to be on Time Magazine.

01:21:05.000 If they don't want to put me on, make me a fake one.

01:21:08.000 That's a real one?

01:21:09.000 No, that's a fake one.

01:21:10.000 That's the fake one.

01:21:11.000 Time magazine would never say Trump is hitting on all fronts, even TV. It's not Entertainment Weekly.

01:21:16.000 That's so gross.

01:21:18.000 Obama's next move.

01:21:19.000 Can he curb healthcare costs?

01:21:21.000 How stressed is your parents?

01:21:22.000 That's weird.

01:21:23.000 The Apprentice is a television smash.

01:21:26.000 Wow.

01:21:26.000 I feel like somebody made it for him as a joke.

01:21:31.000 Is this real?

01:21:32.000 This one's real?

01:21:33.000 I think so.

01:21:34.000 Okay, what does it say there?

01:21:36.000 This man may turn you green within me or just turn you off.

01:21:40.000 Flaunting it is the game and Trump is the name.

01:21:42.000 That seems like a real one.

01:21:43.000 Yeah, but it's also not complimentary enough.

01:21:45.000 Exactly.

01:21:46.000 He's not hitting on all fronts.

01:21:48.000 Trump is hitting on all fronts.

01:21:50.000 Yeah, how weird.

01:21:51.000 Many people have looked at the original and it's like it's clearly not the right, like the font isn't laid out, there's all sorts of things to make.

01:21:55.000 Yeah, well it looks fake.

01:21:56.000 Yeah.

01:21:57.000 It looks fake.

01:21:57.000 It looks like when you go to like a carnival and they give you like, you know, put you on the cover of Sports Illustrated.

01:22:03.000 I don't like his lips.

01:22:05.000 There's something about us, like, people, like, when they make faces with their lips, like, you can kind of tell if they're kind.

01:22:12.000 Yes.

01:22:13.000 It seems so weird to say that, but it seems to be true. 0.99

01:22:17.000 Well, yeah, it's like he does not, again, he does not...

01:22:20.000 Angry.

01:22:21.000 Yeah, he looks like he's perpetually either, he looks disappointed when he sits there.

01:22:28.000 The massive amount of money and power.

01:22:31.000 Yeah.

01:22:32.000 And then deciding, I want to run the things too.

01:22:35.000 But he didn't really want to be, that's the thing, he didn't really want to be the president.

01:22:37.000 You don't think so?

01:22:38.000 No.

01:22:39.000 I think he, yeah, I don't think he could have anticipated that he was running against 16 people or 15 people who just couldn't, who should have all been the clear, like, you know, any of them should have been like, well, my Jeb Bush, but none of them had enough personality to top him.

01:22:53.000 Jeb Bush seemed like he didn't really want to do it either.

01:22:56.000 Seems like he was kind of like half-assing it.

01:22:58.000 Well, I don't think George W. really wanted it either.

01:22:59.000 That's the amazing thing about America. 0.50

01:23:00.000 You can become the president and not even really want it if you're a rich white dude.

01:23:05.000 Like, you can say, I guess I'll be the president. 0.99

01:23:06.000 Well, who the fuck is going to do it next? 0.99

01:23:08.000 That's what's going to be interesting. 0.99

01:23:10.000 I just hope it's not the people whose names I already know.

01:23:12.000 I hope it's not.

01:23:12.000 People talk about maybe Biden.

01:23:14.000 Can it not be somebody...

01:23:15.000 Maybe I just like the thing about there was decided about Obama the black thing was exciting for me personally But the fact that he was under the age like he was in his 40s That was exciting like it was like a president who had actually who you know and life had life And and also was still had a lot of life ahead of him. 0.97

01:23:30.000 Yeah, they did he would now that he's done He's still like a young a young old man You know that he was that he had done things you had probably done.

01:23:38.000 He was like, yeah, I did a little coke He probably played video games.

01:23:43.000 The reason why he became such a pop culture president, because he would say, I listen to Jay-Z, and you're like, I believe he probably does.

01:23:49.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:50.000 It just felt like he felt like somebody who was connected to us in a way that Trump, he's not one of the people.

01:23:57.000 And he's never tried to be one of the people.

01:23:59.000 No, it's so strange.

01:24:01.000 I've never felt more disconnected.

01:24:04.000 Than right now from politics and from, like, I've never felt like the president is more disconnected from the people of the United States either.

01:24:12.000 And the people that support him, boy, they're so, I've never seen that before either.

01:24:17.000 The type of people that are, like, really into Donald Trump being president.

01:24:21.000 You know, just everything that he says, they hang on every word, they turn everything into a positive, they spin everything, they hashtag MAGA. It's really odd.

01:24:34.000 And it feels to me like it's very much a, you got Obama, we get him.

01:24:38.000 It feels like they were sick of the love that Obama got.

01:24:42.000 Even though by the end, I mean, Obama got a lot of love, but it wasn't as fervent by the end, you know, but I mean, until the end, then he got fervent right before he left.

01:24:49.000 But it's a real sort of like a lot of that love of Trump comes from, it's real like, it's like wanting to spite liberals, like, you know, ha ha ha ha.

01:24:57.000 Like, you don't care if Trump does something that's bad for you if it hurts a liberal's feelings, you know, like you just want somebody who is hurting Hillary, you know what I mean, or hurting the liberals.

01:25:07.000 It's not about what's good for you, because if you're looking at what's good for you, this is not good for you.

01:25:12.000 Yeah.

01:25:13.000 Well, it's also like getting some sort of a reasonable conservative that someone would step up right now would be very interesting.

01:25:22.000 It would be very interesting if you could find someone who's a reasonable conservative who knows how to debate and can form a sentence and can respond under pressure.

01:25:32.000 What Trump also brings to the table is he's like this ominous sort of character.

01:25:37.000 Yeah.

01:25:38.000 It's like a Mardi Gras float that walked into the room.

01:25:42.000 It's a lot to deal with.

01:25:44.000 It's a lot to deal with.

01:25:46.000 Yeah, and I think that the problem is that there's all these people who are trying to position themselves as the Trump alternative, but then if you dig too deep into their records, it's like, well, they really support all the things Trump supports, but they're just not out loud racists.

01:25:59.000 So it's not an alternative.

01:26:02.000 I think both parties...

01:26:05.000 You gotta be looking for new people.

01:26:07.000 I feel like in the 80s, it felt like the NBA just went to Africa and grabbed tall people.

01:26:12.000 They were just like, we need to find some new people.

01:26:15.000 And they got Dikembe Mutombo and Hakeem Olajuwon.

01:26:18.000 And they were just like, we need to go.

01:26:19.000 And I feel like if I'm the Democratic Party, I'm scouring the United States of America for people who nobody's...

01:26:24.000 Is there a city comptroller somewhere who's got a good speaking voice?

01:26:28.000 Let's go get that dude. 1.00

01:26:29.000 I feel like you can't be looking at the regular halls of power.

01:26:32.000 Do you watch House of Cards?

01:26:33.000 I do, yeah.

01:26:33.000 Do you wonder if that's how it really goes down?

01:26:36.000 I want to know how fucking accurate it is. 0.99

01:26:38.000 I want to know who's killed people. 0.99

01:26:41.000 I want to know if Clayton sent some mercs out.

01:26:43.000 I have to feel like that probably no senator has pushed or representative has pushed somebody into a subway train.

01:26:52.000 Spoiler alert!

01:26:53.000 Season one!

01:26:54.000 Well, season two.

01:26:55.000 Yeah, I have to believe that it's...

01:26:58.000 But I do believe all the...

01:27:00.000 Yeah, I think some of it is true.

01:27:01.000 Some of it's Someone's gotta be based on truth.

01:27:03.000 But the thing is, I didn't watch this season of House of Cards because I was like, I have to be focused on the real House of Cards.

01:27:09.000 I was watching it like it didn't land in the same way.

01:27:12.000 Oh, but it's so good.

01:27:12.000 Okay, I'll go back to it.

01:27:13.000 Get back in there.

01:27:14.000 I was watching it like watching Trump tweets.

01:27:17.000 I couldn't focus on that.

01:27:19.000 I'm like, it's really bad over here, guys.

01:27:21.000 I wonder how it's gonna play out.

01:27:22.000 Do you think he's gonna make it through four years in the White House?

01:27:26.000 I think we have to.

01:27:27.000 Those of us who don't think he should make it through four years in the White House, or hope that he resigns or gets impeached, can't take it for granted that that's going to happen.

01:27:34.000 I don't think we can...

01:27:35.000 So, is he going to make it through four years?

01:27:38.000 History says yes.

01:27:39.000 Most of them do.

01:27:41.000 There's not a point at which...

01:27:43.000 The impeach thing...

01:27:45.000 And also, the impeach thing doesn't necessarily get you out of office.

01:27:47.000 So, I think that...

01:27:50.000 Clinton was impeached.

01:27:51.000 People forget.

01:27:53.000 Impeached doesn't mean you're fired as much as we'd like to believe it does.

01:27:56.000 If I'm in Vegas, it's way more likely.

01:27:59.000 It's like the Floyd Mayweather-McGregor odds.

01:28:02.000 Bet that he makes it through.

01:28:04.000 Things are already off the rails, so I don't think we can go, well, clearly.

01:28:09.000 The spooky thing is a second term.

01:28:11.000 I think the reality is that after four years, this is the thing, if he does last me four years, that he gets to the end of four years like, I don't want to do this again.

01:28:20.000 Maybe, right?

01:28:21.000 That this is really hurting.

01:28:23.000 It's also, it's because it's hurting his business brands.

01:28:26.000 People are canceling hotel reservations.

01:28:29.000 I think if he sees his bottom line going down instead of going up.

01:28:32.000 But is it?

01:28:33.000 I mean, this would have heard that a bunch of people have pulled out reservations from Mar-a-Lago and things like that.

01:28:38.000 Didn't they take the name off of one of his buildings in downtown in New York?

01:28:41.000 Can you do that?

01:28:43.000 One of the condos.

01:28:44.000 Yeah, I think they decided to take the name off of one of the condos.

01:28:48.000 That's not a good look anymore.

01:28:48.000 It doesn't say.

01:28:49.000 People weren't buying condos.

01:28:52.000 Yeah.

01:28:53.000 Find out if that's true.

01:28:55.000 Bernie Madoff Business Management.

01:28:56.000 That's probably not a good idea.

01:29:01.000 Yeah, but I do think that like if it's a fact you really cuz like you know it certainly has there's a reported of like Ivanka's brands are down You know like the thing people are not they thought this is gonna help that stuff right if it's not helping that stuff and at the end of four years and it's I think he could leave because he's annoyed by it all but he'll have some big speech about I've done what I came to do,

01:29:19.000 and I think I've really drained this way.

01:29:20.000 He'll just say he did, and his people will be like, yay!

01:29:23.000 Yeah, talk about how unemployment was at its lowest rate in 15 years.

01:29:28.000 Even though the arc that unemployment is on is the same arc that it's been on.

01:29:33.000 Economy arc, same arc.

01:29:34.000 It's all going on the same path that it's always been on.

01:29:37.000 I think there was some initial speculation that he was going to be good for business, and then there was some sort of a rise in the Dow because of that.

01:29:44.000 Is that all that's important?

01:29:46.000 It's good for business?

01:29:46.000 Trump named to be removed from three Manhattan apartment buildings he doesn't own.

01:29:51.000 Oh, he doesn't own them?

01:29:52.000 Well, I know he sells his name a lot.

01:29:55.000 People think he owns more than he owns.

01:29:56.000 Oh, okay.

01:29:57.000 They've been owned by a Chicago-based real estate equity firm, Equity Residential, since 2005. Now, Trump Place will remain on the condominium buildings 200, 220, and 240 Riverside Boulevard,

01:30:13.000 which neither Equity Residential nor Trump own.

01:30:15.000 How weird.

01:30:16.000 For now.

01:30:17.000 Yeah.

01:30:17.000 They're going to remove it, though.

01:30:18.000 Huh.

01:30:20.000 Well, a lot of it was he was selling his name to stuff or licensing his name to stuff.

01:30:23.000 People thought he had more than he had, which is why he doesn't want to show his tax returns, because it's like it's not as, you know.

01:30:29.000 How weird is that, because he doesn't show his tax returns?

01:30:31.000 The rules are different.

01:30:32.000 I mean, you know, the rules are different for rich white men.

01:30:37.000 The rules are different.

01:30:38.000 But is that...

01:30:39.000 Is that a mandatory thing?

01:30:41.000 No, it's not a legal thing.

01:30:44.000 It's just what has been done.

01:30:45.000 The problem is, again, they may make it after Trump that it's a legal thing.

01:30:49.000 All these things were just what had been done and what people assumed would always be done.

01:30:55.000 The one shining grace of Trump is that it exposes We think that it's more complicated to become the president, and more complicated to be the president, and that there's more restraints on the president than there actually are.

01:31:09.000 So now that we know that, maybe, but when Trump leaves eventually, forget Republicans and Democrats, it's on the benefit for the entire world that the president can't launch nukes.

01:31:22.000 I'm not making this a Republican or Democrat, it should be a couple more people than just one guy.

01:31:27.000 But what about pardoning people that are criminals? 0.97

01:31:29.000 How the fuck is that the case? 0.91

01:31:31.000 Like, you have laws, but then you have a president who apparently can't be charged with laws, or can't be charged with crimes, right? 0.98

01:31:39.000 Which is why these women that were trying to sue him, they can't do anything about it, now that he's the president.

01:31:44.000 Is that what happened?

01:31:45.000 Because I was like, what happened to all the press conferences?

01:31:46.000 No, you can't really do anything because it gets in the way.

01:31:49.000 It gets in the way of business.

01:31:51.000 The unemployment line is going up.

01:31:52.000 We can't really deal with women who say you were harassed. 0.98

01:31:55.000 Yeah, I think that's when these women were trying to sue him when he was running for president. 1.00

01:32:00.000 I think he got rid of all that shit. 1.00

01:32:01.000 Wow, I did. 1.00

01:32:02.000 I was like, I should Google that.

01:32:04.000 But yeah, that would happen.

01:32:05.000 And can he pardon himself?

01:32:06.000 How does that work?

01:32:07.000 That's the thing.

01:32:08.000 There's all this stuff that happens in the law where they're like, we've I've never actually asked that question because nobody thought that was a question that should be asked!

01:32:15.000 Like, nobody ever thought that a president would think to do that, you know?

01:32:18.000 So there's all these sort of things where it's like there's no, you know, he could sign a thing and then the Supreme Court would have to be like, is this okay?

01:32:25.000 You know, is this okay?

01:32:26.000 And they get a number of pardons too, right?

01:32:28.000 Don't they get like 20 or something like that?

01:32:30.000 No, I don't think, yeah, I think they, yeah.

01:32:32.000 I think they have a limited number though.

01:32:35.000 I think there's a limited number.

01:32:37.000 It's like, listen, Listen, alright, you got 50 left.

01:32:40.000 Yeah, buddy.

01:32:41.000 It's like you're playing a game.

01:32:43.000 Alright, where do I go?

01:32:44.000 Where do I go with these pardons?

01:32:46.000 And now after he did Arpaio, it's like the, you know, it's...

01:32:49.000 Even McCain freaked out about Arpaio.

01:32:51.000 McCain's from Arizona.

01:32:52.000 Yeah, and he knows Arpaio's a criminal, you know?

01:32:55.000 Now, the question is, why didn't you do something about it before McCain?

01:32:58.000 Again, you don't have any jurisdiction in that way, but you could have used your bully pulpit more effectively if you thought he was a criminal before this.

01:33:05.000 No. 0.85

01:33:06.000 In McCain's defense, he had a brain tumor.

01:33:07.000 I don't mean now.

01:33:08.000 I mean like 15, 20 years ago.

01:33:10.000 I don't mean nothing.

01:33:12.000 How many do Obama?

01:33:13.000 I don't know.

01:33:13.000 This is a list.

01:33:14.000 I'm just scrolling down it.

01:33:15.000 It goes forever.

01:33:16.000 Yeah, no, there's hundreds.

01:33:18.000 I think there's hundreds, yeah.

01:33:19.000 And Obama didn't do the most, I want to be clear.

01:33:21.000 But yeah, I think there's a list.

01:33:23.000 Is there a limit?

01:33:24.000 I was looking for a limit.

01:33:26.000 This is on the justice.gov website.

01:33:27.000 I don't think there's a limit.

01:33:28.000 That's crazy.

01:33:30.000 Pardons are so weird. 0.87

01:33:31.000 Yeah, I know you're a criminal, but magic.

01:33:35.000 The part of it that should be good is there are many people who are in prison, again, like we talked about earlier, for things where you're like, The rest of your life.

01:33:44.000 You know what I mean?

01:33:44.000 There is a good side to this, but we thought that they would only be...

01:33:48.000 But a lot of times it's like friends and colleagues and the way I would pardon people.

01:33:53.000 Well, the Bradley Manning, Chelsea Manning thing.

01:33:55.000 Obama pardoned her, right?

01:33:56.000 Yeah, that was an example of like, you have served...

01:33:59.000 Obama was like, you have served more than enough time.

01:34:01.000 Wow.

01:34:02.000 212 people.

01:34:03.000 But that's not the most.

01:34:04.000 I think that's the...

01:34:06.000 Oh my god, and commuted the convictions of a further 1,715 people. 0.99

01:34:11.000 Holy shit! 0.98

01:34:13.000 He actually went to federal prison and talked to inmates, and it was all non-violent people. 1.00

01:34:18.000 Again, it's the same one thing.

01:34:19.000 People who had been convicted of non-violent crimes who were just languishing in prison for no, you know.

01:34:23.000 Yeah.

01:34:24.000 You smoked a lot of weed and sold a lot of weed, but you've been here for 30 years, you know?

01:34:29.000 Wow.

01:34:30.000 Yeah, most granted clemency by Obama have been convicted on drug charges and have received lengthy and sometimes mandatory sentences at the height of the war on drugs. 1.00

01:34:40.000 That's the scariest thing about that Jeff Sessions asshole. 0.97

01:34:42.000 He wanted to bring that stuff back and bring back Just Say No and start arresting people for pot. 1.00

01:34:47.000 Come on, man.

01:34:48.000 It's 2017. We've got to catch up.

01:34:51.000 And we were about to catch up.

01:34:52.000 We were getting close.

01:34:56.000 I feel like even if you had a 45-year-old Republican president They would be more open to things than the 71-year-old Trump, or any 71-year-old Republican, or any 71-year-old Democrat, just by the nature of the fact that, for the most part,

01:35:12.000 45-year-old Republicans don't care about where people go to the bathroom. 0.99

01:35:16.000 I think, again, old people shouldn't be running shit. 1.00

01:35:20.000 I did this joke briefly, but I didn't stick. 0.99

01:35:22.000 But it was the idea that you can be too young to vote, and you can also be too old to vote. 0.99

01:35:27.000 Oh, fuck yeah, you can. 0.99

01:35:28.000 And to drive. 0.99

01:35:29.000 Yeah, there's a point at which there's a meaty part of life where you're in the world doing things, and you're in the mix.

01:35:35.000 And there's a part where you're sort of like, you know, I think, well, at least we should do some checks first.

01:35:41.000 For sure.

01:35:42.000 Can you do a cartwheel?

01:35:43.000 Yeah.

01:35:45.000 Can you walk in a straight line?

01:35:47.000 How well does your body work?

01:35:49.000 I just think it doesn't make sense that it would be the oldest person to be the person.

01:35:54.000 It doesn't make any sense.

01:35:55.000 Well, it does if it's an incredibly wise old person who's learned a bunch of things and has control of their ego and is a person who really wants to make the world a better place.

01:36:05.000 But is also on some HGH so they can actually live up to the rigors of the job.

01:36:10.000 You know what I mean?

01:36:11.000 Well, that was, what did you read about Obama, like, not Obama, about people thinking that Trump's on stimulants?

01:36:17.000 I couldn't find it.

01:36:17.000 I don't even remember where I saw it from, because when I looked it back up, like, it said there was no real history of him using drugs, but some people have had rumors that maybe he was doing, like, fen-fen and whatnot in the 80s or something like that.

01:36:28.000 Stimulants.

01:36:29.000 I didn't find anything.

01:36:30.000 I wonder where the guy gets the energy.

01:36:32.000 When he was doing that whole thing with Hillary, and then it was revealed that Hillary, when they were running for president, was on New Vigil, or Pro Vigil, which is a narcolepsy drug.

01:36:42.000 So they give it to fighter pilots to keep them awake.

01:36:45.000 I've taken it before.

01:36:46.000 It's interesting.

01:36:47.000 She was actually on this?

01:36:48.000 Yeah, absolutely on it.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:36:50.000 And a lot of people take that stuff.

01:36:51.000 Yeah.

01:36:52.000 And what it does is it kind of keeps you awake, and it keeps you alert, even if you start getting tired.

01:36:57.000 It keeps you from falling asleep.

01:36:58.000 Okay.

01:36:58.000 But it doesn't speed you up.

01:36:59.000 It keeps you from nodding out at a press conference or a debate.

01:37:01.000 Yeah, but it doesn't speed you up, which is interesting, because it doesn't, like, it's not like a...

01:37:06.000 You're not tweaking.

01:37:06.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:37:07.000 It's not like an amphetamine.

01:37:09.000 It's some weird thing.

01:37:10.000 Yeah.

01:37:11.000 It was essentially originally created as a performance-enhancing drug, but they needed some sort of a reason to medically prescribe it to people, so they went, uh, narcolepsy?

01:37:22.000 Yeah, yeah, narcolepsy, so they ran with it. 0.75

01:37:24.000 Might have just actually found it.

01:37:25.000 Yeah?

01:37:26.000 What do you got here?

01:37:28.000 But is it legitimate?

01:37:29.000 I don't know if it's his actual truth, but it's MSNBC. Fun fact, in 1982, Trump started taking amphetamine derivatives, abused them, only supposed to take two for 25 days, stayed on for eight years, really.

01:37:41.000 How the fuck does he know? 0.97

01:37:42.000 Yeah, I don't know. 0.98

01:37:42.000 When you're saying something like that, man, you gotta have something other than fun fact. 0.98

01:37:46.000 It's a tweet storm.

01:37:47.000 Is there something at the end where he's got like a...

01:37:49.000 A tweet storm. 1.00

01:37:51.000 I love that fucking expression. 0.99

01:37:53.000 I just texted it to somebody like, what is happening to my life? 0.99

01:37:56.000 Ugh.

01:37:57.000 Check out this tweet storm.

01:37:58.000 Tweet storm.

01:37:59.000 Dr. Joseph, what does it say up there?

01:38:02.000 It said, the doctor wrote the prescriptions.

01:38:05.000 Dr. Joseph Greenberg diagnosed him with metabolic imbalance, which we have never heard about again.

01:38:11.000 Greenberg was later publicly shamed as someone who provides uppers to rich people in Manhattan, a metabolic imbalance, if true.

01:38:21.000 It could be electrolyte insufficiencies, anaerobic imbalances, acid imbalances, an assortment of related disorders that could have serious health consequences.

01:38:29.000 Yet his other doctor, Dr. Harold Borenstein said he had been Trump's doctor since 1980 and never mentioned the metabolic imbalance found by Greenberg.

01:38:41.000 How does he know this, though?

01:38:42.000 He says he's writing a book and doing research, so I don't know where he found it.

01:38:47.000 I mean, he's a legit journalist, but yes, you do have to.

01:38:54.000 But he also is certainly opening himself up to being sued if it's not true.

01:38:57.000 Oh, he's going to be sued if it is true, right?

01:39:00.000 Don't you think? 0.96

01:39:01.000 But that would make sense, because if you see how much energy he had when he was doing the campaign against Hillary, god damn, the guy never got tired. 0.98

01:39:09.000 Yeah. 0.95

01:39:10.000 And he would go up there and just yammer for it.

01:39:12.000 He'd just talk and talk and talk.

01:39:13.000 The White House admitted it to me, said only for a short time for diet, when he was not overweight.

01:39:20.000 I countered with med records.

01:39:22.000 They cut me off.

01:39:23.000 People misreading.

01:39:25.000 Drug was diethyl.

01:39:27.000 He's got the Dwayne Reed in Manhattan where it was filled at.

01:39:30.000 Yeah, seven milligrams a day.

01:39:32.000 Prescription filled at Dwayne Reed on 57th Street in Manhattan.

01:39:35.000 75 milligrams.

01:39:37.000 75 milligrams a day.

01:39:42.000 Yeah, I don't know what that is, though.

01:39:44.000 But he certainly is writing a book, apparently.

01:39:47.000 Interesting.

01:39:48.000 Well, that would make sense.

01:39:50.000 That would make sense why he has this kind of energy.

01:39:52.000 I know so many journalists that are on Adderall.

01:39:56.000 And I have a friend who told me that they're all on it.

01:39:59.000 I mean, I don't know what that means.

01:40:00.000 I mean, 80%, 60%, what does it mean?

01:40:03.000 But he's like, listen, man, they're all on Adderall.

01:40:05.000 And that was one of the things that when I... What was his name?

01:40:09.000 That guy that...

01:40:12.000 Crashed his car under suspicious...

01:40:15.000 Michael Hastings?

01:40:16.000 Remember that?

01:40:16.000 Crashed his car under suspicious circumstances, and they said, oh, well, this guy had meth in his diet.

01:40:21.000 He had amphetamines in his blood. 0.99

01:40:23.000 He was probably fucked up on pills. 1.00

01:40:25.000 No, he's probably a fucking journalist. 1.00

01:40:27.000 They're all on amphetamines. 1.00

01:40:29.000 And that's what Adderall is.

01:40:31.000 It's a prescription amphetamine that you can get. 0.90

01:40:34.000 If he's like, man, I've been kind of dragging ass lately.

01:40:36.000 Wink, wink, you got a good doctor.

01:40:38.000 I've never had that doctor.

01:40:41.000 I'll hook you up. 0.99

01:40:41.000 I've been dragging ass lately. 0.99

01:40:43.000 You should probably exercise and get more rest. 1.00

01:40:45.000 Damn it. 1.00

01:40:45.000 This motherfucker's real. 1.00

01:40:48.000 Damn it! 1.00

01:40:50.000 You're right, but isn't there other things you could do? 0.99

01:40:53.000 My TV told me to ask about these things.

01:40:56.000 Hey bro, I got back pain.

01:40:57.000 Right now, ow!

01:40:59.000 I'm always tired.

01:41:00.000 I get everything.

01:41:02.000 I want you to soothe my back pain.

01:41:04.000 I want to float through life with not a care in the world so I can take care of my family business.

01:41:09.000 I'm really stressed out.

01:41:10.000 You need to organize your day better.

01:41:12.000 No! 1.00

01:41:13.000 You motherfucker! 1.00

01:41:14.000 That's not what I was looking for! 1.00

01:41:17.000 Would you like to talk to a therapist?

01:41:19.000 Yeah.

01:41:21.000 Yeah, we got to get someone like Elon Musk.

01:41:23.000 We got to get like some super genius who seems to be able to do everything.

01:41:26.000 Well, that's the thing the other sort of good side of this is that it is certainly opened up the possibilities of who can be the president.

01:41:33.000 Like it is completely blown.

01:41:35.000 Now will some person who's not a Republican, you know, like will a liberal step through that?

01:41:40.000 Will the Democratic Party support that person?

01:41:42.000 You know, you hear like The Rock might run for president.

01:41:44.000 He's gonna probably.

01:41:45.000 He'll probably do it while he's working out. 0.99

01:41:48.000 On a fucking elliptical machine. 0.99

01:41:50.000 On Instagram. 1.00

01:41:50.000 While he's talking. 1.00

01:41:51.000 Live streaming his run for president.

01:41:53.000 But the Democratic Party might be like...

01:41:55.000 Are they going to get behind that kind of person? 0.99

01:41:58.000 They don't have a fucking choice if it's The Rock. 0.99

01:42:01.000 If The Rock decides to run for president, I'll fucking help him. 0.99

01:42:04.000 Although the funny thing is people are like, we don't even know that The Rock is a Democrat. 0.99

01:42:07.000 We don't know what...

01:42:08.000 He's not a guy who has declared his political affiliation.

01:42:10.000 That's true.

01:42:11.000 And he's a rich guy.

01:42:14.000 Yeah, that's true too.

01:42:15.000 Yeah.

01:42:15.000 But he's so rich, he probably doesn't even notice his taxes.

01:42:19.000 You know what I mean?

01:42:20.000 The Rockets hit that elite stratosphere. 0.99

01:42:24.000 You know, if it's like three million more for taxes, he's like, who gives a fuck? 0.99

01:42:28.000 I gotta lift weights. 0.99

01:42:29.000 Why are you bothering me?

01:42:30.000 I'm trying to get my pump off.

01:42:31.000 Hold on over here.

01:42:32.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.94

01:42:33.000 Dude, let's move on to less depressing shit, because I want to talk about your show. 0.95

01:42:37.000 Okay. 0.95

01:42:38.000 And what has this been like for you?

01:42:40.000 Because, you know, your show is a very unique show on CNN, and it seems like, and correct me if I'm wrong, but it seems like you have a lot of creative leeway on that show.

01:42:51.000 It seems like you.

01:42:53.000 Yes, that's the thing about the show that has been such a...

01:42:56.000 It's been so cool because, you know, I've had a career where I was, like, sort of in the trenches, you know, for a long time, just trying to figure it out, and didn't think I'd ever get this opportunity.

01:43:04.000 And the way that I got there was not some way that made any sense.

01:43:07.000 But now I sit in a room, I just had a kickoff meeting yesterday, and it's a room full of people like, what do you want to do, Kamau?

01:43:11.000 And, you know, it's like, I feel super hashtag blessed to be in that position.

01:43:19.000 Yeah, because it's like, it was not something that five years ago I wasn't like, you'll probably end up on CNN. And also to be at CNN, that wasn't like, none of these things were on my like...

01:43:26.000 How did it happen?

01:43:28.000 So after my show, Totally Biased, that Chris Rockett, our executive produced, I didn't have a job, didn't know what I was going to do.

01:43:34.000 We were in New York.

01:43:35.000 And that was on FX? On FX and then FXX. And then get the FX out of here.

01:43:41.000 So yeah, it was on FX. Now FX is a legit channel, but my show helped launch FX and didn't do a good job, so that's why the show got canceled.

01:43:51.000 I'd started to take meetings like general meetings and I ended up at a and it was all with sort of news organizations like little online like I thought it wasn't like Entertainment channels.

01:44:00.000 It was all these news things that thought like you could do something here with your thing and nobody had a real idea And I went to CNN and met Jeff Zucker had the like a 15-minute meeting with Jeff Zucker where he was like had 18,000 TVs on and Gave me a news quiz.

01:44:13.000 He's like you pay attention to the news I go.

01:44:14.000 Yeah, and he gave me a news quiz to see if I paid attention to the news Really?

01:44:17.000 Yeah, like he's like, let's see.

01:44:19.000 I'm gonna give you a quiz.

01:44:19.000 I What did he ask you?

01:44:21.000 It was all the kind of shit that if you have the CNN app on your phone, you would know all of it. 0.99

01:44:25.000 It was just the big news stories of the day. 0.99

01:44:27.000 It was like, do you know what WhatsApp is?

01:44:31.000 WhatsApp had just been bought by Facebook.

01:44:32.000 I was like, yeah, it's an app that was bought by Facebook.

01:44:35.000 It was like a game show.

01:44:36.000 I mean, it was funny, but he just wanted to see...

01:44:39.000 People don't have much respect for comedians.

01:44:41.000 I don't mean Jeff as people who are paying attention all the time.

01:44:44.000 I was thinking he wanted to see if I was for real.

01:44:47.000 Well, they want to see your mindset.

01:44:49.000 Are you concentrating on being the next Kevin Hart?

01:44:53.000 Do you have any actual interests?

01:44:56.000 Can you come into this new space and be well?

01:44:59.000 I'm seeing it and you have to sort of be paying attention to the news.

01:45:02.000 So can you pay attention to what's going on here?

01:45:04.000 The Bridgegate thing had happened and he's like, what do you think Christie should do?

01:45:06.000 And I sort of riffed some things out and he's like, alright. 0.99

01:45:08.000 Get on some of the same shit Trump's on. 1.00

01:45:11.000 Lose some weight. 1.00

01:45:14.000 So, then, they had been pitched a show by this company, All Three Media, now Main Event Media, called Black Man White America, where a black man travels around to white spaces in America.

01:45:25.000 That was the premise.

01:45:26.000 And they told me that, and I was like...

01:45:29.000 I wouldn't want to do that.

01:45:30.000 I don't want to do it if I could travel to more than just white spaces.

01:45:33.000 And they liked that idea.

01:45:35.000 And then the guy, Jimmy Foxx, he hates when I tell the story because he realizes now it was not the best idea.

01:45:41.000 So then he changed it to United Shades of America and then we pitched the Klan episode. 0.55

01:45:47.000 That was my idea.

01:45:48.000 The pilot episode was me with the Klan. 0.99

01:45:50.000 What the fuck was that like? 0.97

01:45:52.000 I mean, it's funny, people ask me that, and I feel like it's exactly what you think it was. 0.99

01:45:56.000 I mean, you know, it was a...

01:45:57.000 Because it was a different version of the Klan.

01:46:00.000 The big one was where I went to the cross-burning, what they call a cross-lighting.

01:46:05.000 Got to be politically correct.

01:46:07.000 So, I mean, I drove into this place.

01:46:10.000 I had the camera crew.

01:46:11.000 There was one security guy.

01:46:13.000 Oh, there we go.

01:46:14.000 That was my first day at work on the United States of America.

01:46:17.000 That was the last thing we did that day.

01:46:18.000 Look at the trailer.

01:46:19.000 Yeah.

01:46:19.000 No, it was off in the woods in Kentucky.

01:46:22.000 And that was my first day on the job.

01:46:25.000 This was the last thing we did was watch Crossburn.

01:46:27.000 Whew.

01:46:28.000 And also when we got there, we got there during daylight, so we had to be there for two or three hours while they did all their rites, while I talked to them and interviewed them, they did rites and rituals, and then it ended with them setting the cross on fire.

01:46:40.000 And they were more than willing to do all this on television, which is even more shocking.

01:46:44.000 Yeah, you can see up there, they mostly kept their hoods on, but one guy took his hood off so you could see his face.

01:46:52.000 People ask me, why would they want to be on TV? Because everybody wants to be on TV. We talked to a bunch of different Klan groups, or the producers did.

01:47:00.000 Most of them didn't want to be on TV, but there was like three or four that did, because they thought they were spreading the word.

01:47:05.000 Maybe they were.

01:47:07.000 What was their message when you were talking to them?

01:47:09.000 What was the reason for them doing this?

01:47:12.000 They believe America is a white country ordained by God that way.

01:47:15.000 They believe the Bible says that's true.

01:47:17.000 The Bible talks about America?

01:47:19.000 That's what I'm saying.

01:47:19.000 It's like, I'm not telling you what I believe, but they believe that the Bible doesn't think that the races should mix, the Bible doesn't, you know, all these things that people quote out of the Bible.

01:47:28.000 The Bible's talking about donkeys. 0.67

01:47:31.000 And they believe that America is a white country founded by white people and that That the people who, like the black people and the Mexican people, and eventually the Catholics and the Jews, although I guess they're cooler with Catholics now, they used to hate the Catholics, should get to leave, go back home. 0.96

01:47:47.000 And the whole America is for white people is the whole white, is just a different way of saying the white ethnostate thing that a lot of the people, a lot of the alt-right and the white nationalist movement say. 0.56

01:47:58.000 And so, you know, they think that this is, you know, they think America, they think the whole idea of America is that it's for whites only and that the rest of us need to go home.

01:48:09.000 How did that feel for you?

01:48:12.000 To be standing there with these people in the woods, in Kentucky, looking into the eyes of madness while they're wearing satin sheets over their head with holes poked out for eyes.

01:48:23.000 There was a lot of it that was fun.

01:48:25.000 We got there, I got out of the car, and there's a line in the show where you can hear me before you see them.

01:48:29.000 I'm going like, And that was really me saying this was not a good idea.

01:48:35.000 That was not me making a joke because I see a phalanx of them and they're all standing there in detention and right when we got there the guy who was in all blue was like immediately goes into a rant about Ferguson it was in 2014 so it was all about Ferguson and how black people how to police themselves and the white man is gonna da da da da da while at the same time they don't advocate violence because it's clear that at some point they were told if you talk about violence the FBI will be here every weekend you know So they're like,

01:48:58.000 we don't advocate violence.

01:48:58.000 We advocate self-defense.

01:48:59.000 We don't hate black people.

01:49:00.000 We just love our people. 0.97

01:49:01.000 But also black people can't. 1.00

01:49:03.000 Look what they're doing in Ferguson. 0.99

01:49:04.000 That shows that black people aren't whatever, blah, blah, blah, aren't the equivalent of the white man. 0.87

01:49:08.000 And so I had to, so when we first started shooting, there was just like, this guy was just going off and I just sort of was like having to take it. 0.90

01:49:15.000 And wondering, is this going to be the next three hours?

01:49:17.000 This guy just yelling.

01:49:19.000 And the producer stepped in and said, alright everybody, we've got to check the camera for a second.

01:49:23.000 And we slowed it down, and then we set up chairs, and we sat down and started talking.

01:49:27.000 And from that point forward, they were so excited to talk about Did you guys hug it out?

01:49:52.000 I said to the crew, I was like, do not take any pictures of me hanging out.

01:49:56.000 Because I'm doing it this way.

01:49:57.000 Like, yeah, thanks, man.

01:50:00.000 Did you try to reason with them?

01:50:02.000 Yeah.

01:50:02.000 No, I talked to like, you know, because you go, well, you know, like there was one point they said the Bible says that, you know, man should not.

01:50:10.000 I was like, yeah, but the Bible also says you shouldn't eat lobster.

01:50:13.000 I just went to Red Lobster last night, brother.

01:50:16.000 So they recognize the hypocrisy, but they can't see why it doesn't make sense.

01:50:21.000 They don't see why.

01:50:23.000 Well, you're just saying these things.

01:50:25.000 The Bible should not be the reason this is happening.

01:50:28.000 So it's just a convenient way to justify them wearing their goofy clothes.

01:50:32.000 Yeah.

01:50:32.000 And so they, I mean, they're, they say they don't, this is called the new clan.

01:50:37.000 They don't hate black people.

01:50:38.000 They just really love white people. 0.54

01:50:40.000 But I feel like you can really love white people, but it shouldn't come with at the expense of black people feeling safe or anybody feeling safe.

01:50:46.000 It's the same thing with the alt-right.

01:50:47.000 You can think what you want to think, but nobody should feel like their safety is being violated in that process.

01:50:51.000 You know, the funny thing was is that, so we would film and then we'd have to stop down because we were changing cameras.

01:50:56.000 Whenever we'd stop down, they'd pull off the hoods off and they'd be like, man, it's hot under here.

01:51:00.000 And I was like, yeah, maybe you guys should have designed the hoods differently.

01:51:03.000 More breathable fabric.

01:51:04.000 Maybe get Under Armour in here.

01:51:07.000 But we didn't use that on camera because we couldn't show their faces.

01:51:09.000 But yeah, so it was like, they were like...

01:51:12.000 There were two different groups.

01:51:14.000 There was one group who was okay talking to me, and then there was another group who every time we stopped down, they would go away.

01:51:19.000 They would walk away.

01:51:20.000 And one of them was this blonde woman. 1.00

01:51:22.000 The one who was in red, when she took her hood off, she was like, I mean, she looked like Britney Spears at 18. Like this blonde, you know, as we've sounded earlier, maybe I don't know what a pretty white woman looks like, but she was But she was a brawn. 1.00

01:51:34.000 She had red fingernails. 1.00

01:51:35.000 And she was wearing a red thing because she's fourth generation Klan. 1.00

01:51:41.000 So her thing is all red.

01:51:42.000 Because she's fourth generation? 0.99

01:51:44.000 She wears red? 1.00

01:51:46.000 What's blue?

01:51:47.000 I didn't get the belt system.

01:51:50.000 I didn't get the whole...

01:51:50.000 Fourth generation Klan.

01:51:53.000 But she's like, so she like, every time she took her hood off, she looked like she was like, she wanted to kill me. 1.00

01:51:59.000 She probably wanted to fuck you. 1.00

01:52:00.000 Well, yeah, or that. 1.00

01:52:01.000 Probably.

01:52:02.000 And never, never, and I was like.

01:52:03.000 Got a couple drinks in there, you guys started dancing.

01:52:05.000 Well, I just felt like, if I could just take you to LA, there's a whole life for you away from Kentucky where you would have a, you know, like, I could make a lot of money off you, kid.

01:52:13.000 Ha! 0.89

01:52:14.000 Isn't it so funny, though, that it's just what you're exposed to?

01:52:16.000 If you're a young child and you just don't understand, you don't know any better.

01:52:20.000 And you're born into the Klan, and there's not enough black people in your community for you to go, well, that's weird, because these black people are fine. 0.85

01:52:25.000 Because in this part of Kentucky, there's not a lot of black people.

01:52:28.000 There are some, because black people are everywhere, but there's not enough for these people to interact with. 1.00

01:52:34.000 And you're told to avoid that black guy who works at the Home Depot. 0.97

01:52:37.000 And you just see that it's about circumstance. 0.95

01:52:40.000 It's not necessarily... 0.98

01:52:42.000 About you know if we could get the if you get people out of these circumstances, I think they would change but I But the momentum of the input of the environment that you're in it just gets so People get so wrapped up in and caught up in it and it becomes how they think and it's you don't want to stand out from the group You don't want to be ostracized and there's a fucking cross.

01:53:03.000 It's not gonna light itself But they were really excited.

01:53:07.000 Like, this one guy I talked to, we sort of built a rapport in that moment, and he was excited to talk about how the burn...

01:53:11.000 Like, where do you get the wood from?

01:53:13.000 Why do you do...

01:53:14.000 Like, he was excited.

01:53:15.000 It was like, you know, I call it this old cross. 0.90

01:53:18.000 You know, like, he was excited to...

01:53:21.000 He was excited to talk about this stuff.

01:53:23.000 And so we sort of talked on that level.

01:53:25.000 And I was like, obviously, I don't agree with you guys.

01:53:29.000 And I said, hopefully at the end you'll let me leave.

01:53:31.000 Which I was kind of joking.

01:53:32.000 And also, at the whole time, I was like, I don't know.

01:53:36.000 What if this is a setup?

01:53:38.000 What if I'm here to talk to these 15 guys and then a hundred Klan members run out of the woods to take down CNN? You know, this is before fake news Trump.

01:53:44.000 But I was like, I don't know.

01:53:46.000 So the whole time I was there, I also felt like this could go bad at any time.

01:53:50.000 Because when we pulled in, there was a guy holding like a rifle.

01:53:52.000 And we told him no guns.

01:53:54.000 And he was like, well, I don't believe.

01:53:55.000 I'm going to bring my gun.

01:53:57.000 And so it just felt like this could turn.

01:53:59.000 I'm...

01:54:00.000 I'm not going to do anything to turn it badly, but this could turn bad.

01:54:03.000 And so it felt like it felt the whole time when I was making jokes with the Klan, as people go, how could you make jokes with the Klan?

01:54:08.000 I was actually using self-defense.

01:54:11.000 Like I was like, because if you're making people laugh, they generally, and I wasn't making them laugh at my expense.

01:54:15.000 I was just making them laugh about, well, that's weird.

01:54:17.000 Why do you burn this?

01:54:18.000 You know, that it actually felt to me like I could gain control of the situation.

01:54:21.000 Did you have any sort of reasonable debate with them?

01:54:25.000 Any back and forth with them? 0.93

01:54:27.000 Was there anybody that you kind of felt like they saw how ridiculous it is? 0.69

01:54:34.000 No. 0.54

01:54:35.000 I mean, I think we...

01:54:36.000 I would make them laugh about ridiculous things that were happening.

01:54:40.000 Like they were having a hard time getting kerosene rags to wrap the cross in.

01:54:48.000 And he was like, I need a Klansman over here!

01:54:50.000 And I was like, what do we have to do to get a Klansman over here?

01:54:53.000 And they're laughing, but there's not a sense of like, here's what I felt like.

01:54:57.000 By the end, I knew some of those guys liked me in that moment.

01:55:02.000 I felt like they laughed at what I said.

01:55:03.000 They were certainly trying to chum me up, give me their business card.

01:55:06.000 If you need any help, find another Klansman. 1.00

01:55:08.000 Because there's some Klansmen out here that are full of shit, and you need to go to the real... 1.00

01:55:11.000 So there's that level of rapport. 1.00

01:55:13.000 Oh, so there's like, there's factions that disagree with other factions?

01:55:16.000 Yeah, it's like, you know, I feel like it's very similar to martial arts school.

01:55:20.000 This is the real karate.

01:55:21.000 That's not the real karate.

01:55:23.000 So like, even though, didn't you guys start at the same school?

01:55:27.000 Yeah, but he didn't get the real stuff.

01:55:29.000 Oh boy. 0.98

01:55:30.000 Yeah, so, but they were very chummy at the end, but also I was like, I'm gonna get the fuck out of here. 0.96

01:55:33.000 But I did feel like some of these guys went to bed that night going, this was a lot of fun.

01:55:38.000 Yeah.

01:55:40.000 Now, I'm not saying that, like, they dropped the Klan thing, because I didn't come back the next day.

01:55:44.000 But they were like, you know, I left there feeling like, I wonder if I came back, like, in six months, just drove through.

01:55:50.000 I was like, hey, guys!

01:55:51.000 Or you wonder if you guys were on some sort of reality show where you're stuck on an island for six months.

01:55:55.000 Yeah, I mean, the reason why big cities are generally more liberal than the surrounding areas is because everybody's on top of each other.

01:56:03.000 I don't have time to hate you because I like your bodega. 0.98

01:56:08.000 I don't have time to hate you.

01:56:10.000 You become accustomed to each other and you realize it's just people.

01:56:12.000 And you also, the benefits of that thing, like, hey, the Puerto Rican Day Parade is fun.

01:56:16.000 You know what I mean?

01:56:16.000 It's like your life experiences are benefited by the fact that you're surrounded by lots of different That is really interesting when you put it that way.

01:56:23.000 I mean, you do find that the bigger cities tend to be way more liberal, like New York and L.A. in particular.

01:56:29.000 Certainly more liberal than the surrounding areas.

01:56:31.000 Like, you know, Houston is a blue dot, but it's not as blue as Berkeley is, but the surrounding area is much different.

01:56:38.000 Sugar Land.

01:56:38.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:56:40.000 You go out there to the ranches.

01:56:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:56:44.000 Things get a little crispy.

01:56:45.000 You're not from around here, are you?

01:56:47.000 To me, that's what the whole thing is.

01:56:51.000 You don't get the benefit of having a diverse community because you're like, which Chinese restaurant do I want to go to? 1.00

01:56:58.000 You want to go to the Chinese restaurant?

01:57:01.000 That's run by the Chinese family who's like, this was a badass. 0.99

01:57:03.000 Well, it's also the fear, you know, the fear of the other when you're not around them. 0.97

01:57:07.000 I think if you're around people all the time that are all sorts of different people, you find assholes that are white and cool people that are brown and you just sort of go, oh, they're just humans. 0.93

01:57:18.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.98

01:57:19.000 We just, we're terrified.

01:57:20.000 And so we lump off into groups so we somehow or another have people that we relate to.

01:57:25.000 Well, I mean, I think it's the whole thing about, like, we have fear of the unknown, and somehow our fear of the unknown is the fear that somehow that unknown thing is going to hurt us or affect us in some negative way.

01:57:36.000 I mean, you know, when Obama first went into the White House, you know, I would have lost money on marriage equality, gay marriage.

01:57:42.000 I would have lost money.

01:57:43.000 Like, I was like, that's not going to happen.

01:57:44.000 You know, I would have put 50 years, you know what I mean?

01:57:48.000 Really?

01:57:49.000 Why?

01:57:49.000 Just because...

01:57:50.000 I thought that ball was moving in that direction anyway.

01:57:52.000 But I still wouldn't have thought that it was going to happen within his...

01:57:55.000 First of all, it's not an issue he came in campaigning on.

01:57:58.000 So it wasn't like something that was...

01:58:00.000 I didn't think it was on anybody's agenda.

01:58:01.000 I knew it was on some people's agenda.

01:58:02.000 There were people working on it.

01:58:03.000 But I didn't think...

01:58:04.000 It wasn't something that was like...

01:58:05.000 We didn't...

01:58:06.000 The nation didn't set that as a goal.

01:58:08.000 It wasn't like a thing like Obamacare.

01:58:10.000 It was like, we need to fix this.

01:58:11.000 So it sort of happened in a way that the people worked behind the scenes to make it happen.

01:58:14.000 And then it just sort of...

01:58:15.000 We woke up one day and opened our phones up.

01:58:17.000 And it was like, it's legal.

01:58:18.000 Wait, what?

01:58:19.000 Federally.

01:58:19.000 Yeah, federally.

01:58:20.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:58:21.000 Yeah, like it just sort of happened and you're like, wait, I thought nothing.

01:58:23.000 That's it?

01:58:24.000 That was one of the most disappointing things about Hillary is that she didn't, up until 2013, she didn't support marriage equality. 0.67

01:58:30.000 Yeah, and I mean Obama was like, you know, he had the thing and he sort of stopped talking about it for a series of years.

01:58:35.000 And then eventually it was like, Joe Biden was like, I'm with it. 0.98

01:58:37.000 And Obama had to be like, God damn it. 0.98

01:58:39.000 Yeah, I'm with it too. 0.99

01:58:40.000 I wasn't ready to say it yet.

01:58:42.000 Touchy subject among some people.

01:58:44.000 And it still is among some people.

01:58:47.000 There's certainly people in this country.

01:58:48.000 But there's a critical mass of people who are like, it doesn't actually affect me.

01:58:51.000 And right now we're going through that with trans people in bathrooms. 1.00

01:58:54.000 It doesn't actually affect you.

01:58:58.000 Trans people have been going to the bathroom for the entire existence that there have been bathrooms. 0.99

01:59:01.000 You just didn't know.

01:59:02.000 It doesn't actually affect you.

01:59:04.000 You were sort of saying, this is weird to me, this is scary to me, so it's wrong.

01:59:11.000 But it's like, no, it's just weird and scary to you.

01:59:13.000 Those feelings are just the feelings of the unknown.

01:59:15.000 Now assess the threat.

01:59:17.000 Man, if that woman goes to the bathroom, she will have gone to the bathroom. 1.00

01:59:22.000 There's not a threat that's coming after you.

01:59:24.000 Well, I think people are scared of people taking their clothes off.

01:59:28.000 That's what it is.

01:59:29.000 Well, the generals are going to be exposed and they're just going to go crazy.

01:59:32.000 Yeah, but the generals already were like, it's cool.

01:59:34.000 We just need bodies.

01:59:35.000 The military had already accepted trans people.

01:59:38.000 They're like, we just need bodies.

01:59:40.000 We need people here who are good soldiers.

01:59:41.000 Well, the military one is real weird because he apparently did that while the hurricane was hitting.

01:59:46.000 Yeah.

01:59:46.000 He, see, pardoned Arpaio, did that, and there was one other thing that he did.

01:59:51.000 I'm not exactly sure what it was.

01:59:53.000 He started bringing up the wall again recently.

01:59:54.000 Controversial things.

01:59:56.000 Yeah, trying to get Mexico to pay for the wall.

01:59:58.000 Don't you think the Mexicans should be paying for education and take care of the poor people? 1.00

02:00:02.000 Yeah.

02:00:03.000 There's a lot of issues they have to take care of. 1.00

02:00:05.000 They don't have time for your fucking wall. 0.99

02:00:06.000 And there's just no way you can make them pay for the wall. 1.00

02:00:08.000 It's not a thing.

02:00:10.000 Unless we're talking about invading Mexico and going into the banks.

02:00:13.000 Is that what we're talking about doing?

02:00:15.000 Have you heard about the wall being a gigantic solar panel?

02:00:18.000 That was one of the ideas to pay for the wall.

02:00:20.000 That the wall would be a gigantic solar power to generate electricity and that would pay for it.

02:00:26.000 But then you'd have to accept solar panels.

02:00:28.000 Oh, that's right.

02:00:29.000 Run into problems with the coal folks.

02:00:31.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

02:00:32.000 Some people just want to burn trees, chop trees down, make coal.

02:00:37.000 Yeah, so for me, the whole thing with the show is, for me, it's not about me coming to agreement with people.

02:00:46.000 Sometimes it's people I do agree with, but I don't know your issue a lot, so I'd like to talk to you about it.

02:00:49.000 It's just about the fact...

02:00:51.000 To me, it's about, we're going to have this conversation, people are going to watch this conversation, and that will create more conversation.

02:00:56.000 Well, you're getting this weird opportunity to be, again, like I'm saying, you're you.

02:01:01.000 I know you, so when I see you on TV, I'm like, oh, that's you.

02:01:06.000 That's not normal for a television show.

02:01:09.000 You notice when people take on the host of, whether it's The Tonight Show or one of those kind of shows, they automatically become this different thing than they usually are.

02:01:19.000 They become like the host of And for me, the reason that is, is because there's not a ton of these shows out there.

02:01:26.000 Right.

02:01:27.000 So there's not like, it's like, oh, Kamau got that show.

02:01:29.000 It's like, talk shows, the minute I got totally biased, suddenly I'm seeing articles about The Tonight Show, you know, Late Late Show, and totally biased.

02:01:38.000 Wait, what?

02:01:39.000 And then I'm being compared to those people, and I'm being judged against, like, well, Last Night Fallon lip sync with Justin Timberlake, and Kamau talked to Laverne Cox.

02:01:46.000 That's not the same thing.

02:01:47.000 Yeah.

02:01:48.000 That's what I didn't like about that, is that people were suddenly defining me against that thing.

02:01:52.000 And I would look at that show and be like, that's not me.

02:01:54.000 And I had friends who would watch that show and be like, that's not me.

02:01:56.000 And then we'd write things for the show and I'd say things like, I don't believe this.

02:01:59.000 Or I don't feel as passionately about this as this show makes me think I feel about this.

02:02:03.000 Because we just have to get the show done.

02:02:05.000 Whereas with this show, I can go, no, I'm not saying that.

02:02:08.000 Or I really want to say this.

02:02:09.000 Or I can rewrite things.

02:02:11.000 Totally biased, you did in front of an audience.

02:02:14.000 I don't think that that form works.

02:02:17.000 I don't think that's a good way.

02:02:18.000 I don't think for anybody.

02:02:19.000 I don't think it's a good way to have meaningful conversations.

02:02:22.000 Giant groups of people and everybody's clapping.

02:02:25.000 So you're trying to like play to them to make a good point.

02:02:28.000 So you're not necessarily expressing yourself like what are the real thoughts going on in my mind as much as you're just trying to like get those hits.

02:02:36.000 Win points.

02:02:37.000 Yeah.

02:02:37.000 You get laughs.

02:02:39.000 And I give credit to Chris Rock for this because he's the one who made me do the Man on the Street segments on Totally Bias. 0.96

02:02:44.000 He was like, you need to get out there.

02:02:45.000 People don't know who you are.

02:02:46.000 You need to mix it up with the people.

02:02:47.000 And I was like, I really didn't.

02:02:49.000 Whenever I saw people do Man on the Street, it was always like, hey, dummy, why'd you stop and talk to me?

02:02:54.000 Hey, your guy doesn't have a lot going on.

02:02:56.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:02:56.000 You decided to be nice and stop and talk to me.

02:02:58.000 Now I'm going to punish you for it.

02:02:59.000 Right.

02:03:00.000 Aside from Billy on the Street.

02:03:02.000 I think that's the version of it that I feel like those people get to have fun with him.

02:03:06.000 What's Billy on the Street?

02:03:07.000 Billy Eichner.

02:03:08.000 Oh, yeah.

02:03:09.000 I've never watched that.

02:03:09.000 I mean, it's just whenever I see that, I go, he's sort of, he's the joke.

02:03:12.000 Right.

02:03:13.000 He's not making, you know, it's not like the thing like, what year was the War of 1812? 1.00

02:03:15.000 You idiot, you know. 1.00

02:03:16.000 Right. 1.00

02:03:17.000 And so I feel like I'd only seen it that way.

02:03:20.000 So when I did it, I was always like just trying to like let them talk.

02:03:24.000 And then if they got the joke, I would tag the joke.

02:03:26.000 Or if I thought of something funny, it wasn't necessarily against them.

02:03:29.000 It was about something situationally that was funny.

02:03:32.000 And so that trained me for United Shades.

02:03:35.000 United Shades is the show, I think that's the only show I could ever do.

02:03:38.000 There's not other shows in me where I would be on camera like that.

02:03:41.000 I'm not an actor.

02:03:42.000 I'm not trying to get a sitcom.

02:03:44.000 How refreshing.

02:03:46.000 Yeah, exactly.

02:03:47.000 I just don't have any interest.

02:03:49.000 I'm not trying to audition for movies.

02:03:51.000 I don't audition for anything.

02:03:52.000 Good for you.

02:03:52.000 I live in Berkeley, so I'm not even available to audition for things.

02:03:57.000 But this, I'm like, yeah, it's this or versions of this.

02:04:00.000 But the thing was, basically, in my mind, it was based on the Bourdain model and Morgan Spurlock's work and even Michael Moore's work.

02:04:08.000 Those things are about them.

02:04:10.000 When you watch Bourdain, it's about this person.

02:04:14.000 And if you like Bourdain, you'd watch him do anything.

02:04:17.000 It's not just about where he's going.

02:04:19.000 It's about, I just want to hang out with this dude for an hour.

02:04:20.000 And so I feel like with United Shades, the more it becomes that, I just want to hang out with Camille for an hour, then that's the show I want it to be.

02:04:27.000 Yeah, well you figured out a way to do it, man.

02:04:29.000 And kudos to CNN for allowing you to just be yourself.

02:04:32.000 Yeah, people always ask all the time, how much pushback do you get?

02:04:35.000 I think the most pushback we got last season was, we had two fart jokes in the show, and they're like, you have to I was pretty pissed.

02:04:44.000 I'm like, but they're different fart jokes.

02:04:47.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:47.000 I didn't intentionally write two fart jokes in this show.

02:04:50.000 It's just we have presented with two opportunities for fart jokes.

02:04:52.000 That's hilarious.

02:04:53.000 Yeah, so it was like...

02:04:54.000 But it's never like...

02:04:56.000 They actually...

02:04:57.000 And I want to be clear on this.

02:04:58.000 They want the show...

02:04:59.000 I always want the show to be smarter.

02:05:00.000 They want the show to be smarter.

02:05:01.000 I want the facts to be vetted and clear.

02:05:03.000 They want that.

02:05:03.000 They want the journalistic integrity because it's on a news network.

02:05:06.000 But they don't pitch angles.

02:05:08.000 For example, they were like...

02:05:09.000 Have you thought about doing anything with the Asian American community?

02:05:13.000 That was what they said.

02:05:13.000 And I was like, I'd like to talk about Chinatown.

02:05:15.000 You know what I mean?

02:05:16.000 So I got to take their suggestion and put it into my version of it.

02:05:21.000 And I was like, I'd like to talk about Chinatown in San Francisco so I can film an episode near my house and not have to travel.

02:05:26.000 And I'd like to meet Shannon Lee.

02:05:28.000 So we did Shannon Lee's in that episode.

02:05:30.000 Oh, Bruce Lee's daughter?

02:05:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:05:31.000 Oh, that's cool.

02:05:32.000 Yeah, so it was like, I got to make the version of the show I wanted.

02:05:35.000 Well, at the same time, I'm talking about the history of Chinatown and doing all those other things, but it ended with me, the last line is like, you know, I really learned a lot this week.

02:05:41.000 Who am I kidding?

02:05:41.000 I just wanted to become friends with Shannon Lee.

02:05:44.000 You know?

02:05:45.000 And because I'm a comedian, I can do that.

02:05:46.000 I don't have to sort of have some sort of, like, you know, this...

02:05:49.000 And I sort of...

02:05:50.000 Sometimes the people who write, like, because people will write parts of the show, and they will write it, like, the way journalists would do it.

02:05:55.000 This week I've learned that people come together.

02:05:57.000 And there's some of that that still ends.

02:05:58.000 I have to keep sort of pulling out.

02:06:00.000 Like, it's not...

02:06:01.000 Do you write monologues, or do you just talk?

02:06:06.000 What happens is they will write a version of the script, and then I will get that, and then sometimes I will pull whole sections out, and then once we get into the VO booth, it's me and usually a couple other comedians, like Ethan Berlin, Ron G,

02:06:21.000 this season's going to be Dwayne Kennedy, who will then be on the phone together in the VO booth and riff other things out.

02:06:27.000 So it's great to actually be able to hire, because I was clear with CNN, I need to hire comedians on this show.

02:06:32.000 It can't just be me and the news people or the TV people.

02:06:35.000 Well, it seems like not just a show, but also an opportunity for you to just sort of broaden your experience with human beings, which is interesting.

02:06:43.000 I mean, we went to Barrow, Alaska in the first season.

02:06:46.000 What is that?

02:06:46.000 Where is that at?

02:06:47.000 It's the northernmost tip of Alaska.

02:06:49.000 It's inside the Arctic Circle.

02:06:52.000 Nobody visits Barrow.

02:06:53.000 It's not like parts of Alaska where Anchorage, where, no, let's go visit.

02:06:57.000 It's not a place where it doesn't do tourism.

02:07:00.000 I mean, you could go, but there's nothing to do there.

02:07:02.000 What time of the year did you go?

02:07:03.000 We went in, I think it was, what it was, it was spring in the rest of America, but it was still like, you know, deep snow on the ground and frozen.

02:07:11.000 But it was like, it was like negative 20. There it is right there.

02:07:14.000 Jesus Christ.

02:07:14.000 Yes, inside the Arctic Circle.

02:07:16.000 Like, we actually walked so far north that we were on the ocean, but it was still frozen.

02:07:21.000 You know, like, we...

02:07:21.000 Whoa!

02:07:22.000 Yeah.

02:07:23.000 Yeah.

02:07:24.000 You were on the ocean and it was frozen.

02:07:27.000 Yeah, we were like standing on the water.

02:07:28.000 What did you do there?

02:07:30.000 It was the idea...

02:07:31.000 We had a tiny little town.

02:07:32.000 Well, it was the idea, because we just sort of figured, where have you never been?

02:07:35.000 Like, sometimes that's how we have conversations, where have you never been?

02:07:37.000 Right.

02:07:37.000 We should go to Alaska.

02:07:38.000 Well, let's not just go to regular Alaska.

02:07:40.000 Let's go to the part of Alaska that even...

02:07:43.000 Like, we went to Anchorage for part of it, and even Alaskans don't go to Barrow.

02:07:46.000 Because it's not...

02:07:47.000 It's a place where people go there to work for the oil companies, and people work for companies that work for the oil companies.

02:07:52.000 So it's not like...

02:07:54.000 So it's a camp almost.

02:07:56.000 Yeah, it's a camp, but it's 4,000 people.

02:07:58.000 Anchorage is a weird community.

02:08:01.000 Anchorage, when I was there, one of the first things I saw when we were driving the rental car to the hotel was a group of people standing on the corner holding up signs saying, Honk for Equality.

02:08:11.000 And all these people were honking as they drove by. 0.99

02:08:14.000 And there was all these people with purple hair and shit. 0.99

02:08:17.000 And I was like, oh, this is like a real city. 0.99

02:08:20.000 Yeah, no, Anchorage is like, I mean, it's like Bakersfield.

02:08:23.000 It's cool.

02:08:24.000 When I was there, yeah, it's a real city.

02:08:28.000 For me, the only thing was, it was cold, but it wasn't even colder in another place, and there was more salmon choices.

02:08:35.000 Everywhere you went, they were like, and we have salmon.

02:08:37.000 Fresh halibut.

02:08:38.000 Yeah, and we have salmon jerky.

02:08:42.000 That's why I'm glad we went to Barrow, because Barrow, I loved it, and I was like, I'll never come back here again.

02:08:47.000 There's no way, unless I was doing something.

02:08:51.000 So for me, that's what is fun.

02:08:54.000 People liked that episode a lot.

02:08:55.000 Sometimes people think the show is just me talking to scary people, but most of the show is just me talking to people that I've never talked to before.

02:09:03.000 Just getting a chance to see America.

02:09:04.000 Yeah, and so we did an episode about, we said, let me see something with Muslims, but it's like, well that's a big topic, but we went to Hamtramck in Dearborn, Michigan, It's a super small town, the highest percentage of Arabs and Muslims in America, like 30% Arabs and Muslim in this town.

02:09:17.000 And it's like a sleepy suburb where you just happen to see lots of women in hijab walking around. 1.00

02:09:23.000 But you sort of feel like, is this right?

02:09:25.000 You know what I mean?

02:09:27.000 This just seems weird.

02:09:27.000 It's just a sleepy suburb outside of Detroit, or inside of Detroit.

02:09:31.000 There's Hamtarricks in the middle of Detroit. 1.00

02:09:33.000 And it's just this small town that happens to be, because of The Ford factory.

02:09:37.000 It's one of the things that happens a lot with immigrants. 1.00

02:09:39.000 The Ford factory was okay hiring immigrants back in the day, or Muslims back in the day, so the Muslims were like, everybody come here! 1.00

02:09:45.000 And so then it became a very populous Arab Muslim town. 0.96

02:09:50.000 And then I got to sit down with a woman, her name was Reema, and I just got to ask her all the dumb questions about Islam. 1.00

02:09:55.000 And all the dumb questions about hijab and burqas and how that works with feminism. 1.00

02:10:01.000 Can you be a feminist and a Muslim? 1.00

02:10:03.000 Can you be a feminist and a woman who's wearing a burqa? 1.00

02:10:06.000 And she's like, yeah, you can.

02:10:07.000 It's a choice.

02:10:09.000 So I think that And then we got to talk about, well, what about in Saudi Arabia? 0.99

02:10:13.000 And they go, the government of Saudi Arabia does a lot of shit that's wrong, and they use Islam as a way to justify it, just like the way the American government does a lot of shit that's wrong and says God and country. 0.98

02:10:21.000 You know, it's not about the religion, it's about the expression of the religion. 1.00

02:10:24.000 So, you know, for me, it's like, to be able to ask those dumb questions. 0.96

02:10:27.000 We got to go to Standing Rock, in the middle of Standing Rock. 0.90

02:10:29.000 And while it was going down the Dakota Pipeline?

02:10:32.000 The height of it, yeah.

02:10:33.000 Wow.

02:10:33.000 What was that like?

02:10:34.000 Did you get hosed?

02:10:35.000 No, I was there for a few hours.

02:10:38.000 This was sort of the first third of it, I guess.

02:10:43.000 So it was still not, it had not turned into that.

02:10:45.000 That was a very disturbing time.

02:10:47.000 Yeah.

02:10:47.000 Because they were going through people's public or private land, and they were saying, no, we're going through.

02:10:51.000 Yeah.

02:10:52.000 But what is private land then?

02:10:54.000 Yeah. 0.97

02:10:54.000 If you just can decide to have your business go through my land and dig a fucking pipeline that may or may not poison my wells, if everything goes wrong, what is public land? 0.97

02:11:03.000 What is private? 0.99

02:11:04.000 Is it all the government's land?

02:11:06.000 Are they just usurping my private land? 0.99

02:11:08.000 This is kind of fucking crazy. 0.98

02:11:10.000 And the native people are like, yeah, this is what they do to us. 1.00

02:11:11.000 This is how they are.

02:11:13.000 Yeah.

02:11:14.000 Whatever the number of treaties, because there's several hundred treaties, and they've broken all of them.

02:11:20.000 Not like half of them.

02:11:21.000 They say they've broken all of the treaties.

02:11:24.000 So the Native American people, that's why they had to make a big noise, because this is how they do, and it felt like the final straw. 1.00

02:11:30.000 We got there before the winter, and they're like, there's people in teepees.

02:11:34.000 And I had this whole conversation about how beefs think of teepees.

02:11:37.000 I thought of teepees as like, You're going to have teepees in the winter?

02:11:40.000 They're like, yeah, they're better than tents.

02:11:41.000 Yeah, because there's a hole in the top and you can have a fire in the middle.

02:11:44.000 I knew you would know.

02:11:46.000 But I was like, really?

02:11:47.000 And this guy was like, yeah.

02:11:49.000 And then I said to this one guy, I'm like, well, what do you do if it gets really, really cold?

02:11:52.000 Go to the hotel down the street.

02:11:54.000 Oh, alright.

02:11:54.000 You know, like, it's just like, I was in this whole, like, native, you know, like, we go to a restaurant.

02:12:01.000 You know what I mean?

02:12:01.000 So it's like, and it was, that was one of my favorite episodes, because, again, I get to sit and ask all the dumb questions that I have and other people have.

02:12:08.000 And sometimes I ask dumb questions that I kind of know the answer to, but I feel like we need to ask the dumb questions. 0.90

02:12:11.000 Right. 0.98

02:12:12.000 When we have an opportunity to. 0.99

02:12:13.000 Don't go tapping people in line at Starbucks and asking them dumb questions.

02:12:17.000 Yeah, the Dakota Pipeline was extremely disturbing, because it was one of the clearest examples of money over rights, money over land ownership, money over everything that we're going through with this thing.

02:12:30.000 It's going to make us money.

02:12:32.000 And this is what we're going to do.

02:12:33.000 You should get Tara Huska on here. 1.00

02:12:35.000 She was at Standing Rock, and she speaks very awesome about all this stuff, and she's a hardcore activist.

02:12:40.000 She was like Bernie Sanders, Native American representative, and she's great about all this stuff.

02:12:46.000 And you can talk about how, to them, it's like this is just the most recent expression of this.

02:12:51.000 Can you spell her name?

02:12:52.000 T-A-R-A-H-O-U-S-K-A. There he is. 1.00

02:12:57.000 There she is.

02:12:58.000 There she is.

02:12:58.000 Okay.

02:12:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:12:59.000 And she was in the episode, and we sat down, and I was like, I'm going to ask you a bunch of dumb questions. 0.99

02:13:03.000 She was like, great, here we go. 0.78

02:13:05.000 Right.

02:13:05.000 And talked about, like, this is just the tip of the iceberg.

02:13:08.000 Where is that now?

02:13:09.000 Where's that standing?

02:13:09.000 Because when Trump got in office, he apparently greenlit everything, right?

02:13:13.000 There's still people fighting against it, but it's not the same number of people out there.

02:13:16.000 But they're still activists.

02:13:17.000 She would be able to tell you more better than I would.

02:13:19.000 But there's still people fighting.

02:13:21.000 But they're going through it anyway, right?

02:13:23.000 They're going right under the river.

02:13:25.000 This is where it gets a little bit out of my depth.

02:13:28.000 I don't think there's probably any one thing that was most rewarding to you, but there was anything that you got the most out of?

02:13:35.000 During that show?

02:13:36.000 During the Native American show?

02:13:37.000 No, during your show.

02:13:38.000 United Shades of America?

02:13:39.000 Yeah.

02:13:40.000 The San Quentin episode is actually the one that I feel like has actually affected me the deepest.

02:13:45.000 I've been back to San Quentin twice, maybe three times, twice since then.

02:13:49.000 I co-hosted a talent showcase with one of the inmates.

02:13:52.000 Really?

02:13:52.000 Yeah, we were on stage together.

02:13:54.000 He wrote bits for us to do. 0.99

02:13:55.000 No shit. 0.99

02:13:56.000 I was riffing. 0.99

02:13:56.000 And it's this thing where, believe me, Even though I had gone to San Quentin and filmed, I went to San Quentin and filmed the show. 0.99

02:14:02.000 I walked in with the co-warden or the junior warden, I don't know who he is, and Sam, and he was like, we walk in to the yard, and he's like, how do you feel?

02:14:15.000 And I'm like, because we're walking into the yard, and it's all just inmates doing sit-ups and push-ups and hanging out, playing basketball.

02:14:21.000 He goes, how does it feel?

02:14:22.000 I go, it feels kind of like walking to a neighborhood that I don't know anybody.

02:14:24.000 Like, you know, like one of those neighborhoods where you're like, I need to be careful here.

02:14:27.000 And then as I was saying that, some guy goes, love your comedy, bro.

02:14:30.000 And I go, oh, it feels pretty good.

02:14:34.000 And that's exactly how it happened, and we left it in the show. 0.87

02:14:36.000 And then from that point forward, it was just like, if you sort of close your eyes, it was just talking mostly to black men who've had a lot of life experience and been through a lot of shit and who have learned a lot from what they went through and have done therapy and self-actualized and educated themselves and all these types of things. 0.84

02:14:54.000 But then you realize, they're never going to leave. 0.92

02:14:55.000 They have a lot of experience, a lot of wealth of knowledge, a lot of skills, and they're never going to leave.

02:14:59.000 And so for me, it was like...

02:15:02.000 I can do more here.

02:15:03.000 So I went back.

02:15:03.000 We screened the episode there.

02:15:04.000 It was the most tense screening I ever had because I was like, what if they hate it?

02:15:07.000 But they were like cheering and clapping and gave me a standing ovation at the end.

02:15:11.000 And so I went back and hosted this talent show.

02:15:13.000 And again, I went back still like, but what if this time?

02:15:16.000 And they're like, ah, come on!

02:15:18.000 And they make fun of me because I didn't know how to play, what was it?

02:15:21.000 It was Pinochle.

02:15:22.000 Yeah, they played Pinochle in prison.

02:15:23.000 I know how to play.

02:15:24.000 And they were like, a black man doesn't know how to play Pinochle? 0.98

02:15:26.000 And they're like, have you ever learned that?

02:15:27.000 I don't know how to play it easily.

02:15:28.000 What is it?

02:15:28.000 It's just one of those crazy card games that's way too complicated.

02:15:31.000 They said we play Pinochle because it's really complicated and takes a lot of time.

02:15:36.000 Ooh.

02:15:36.000 Yeah.

02:15:37.000 You don't want to just play like war in prison.

02:15:40.000 You want to play a game that's really complicated so it actually sort of fills the time you have.

02:15:44.000 I had a friend who went to prison and learned how to play chess in his head.

02:15:47.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:15:47.000 They could just yell out the moves like rook to king five, like that kind of shit. 1.00

02:15:51.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:15:52.000 Checkmate.

02:15:52.000 Right.

02:15:53.000 Him and this kid who was a chess genius, they're sitting down, this ex-con and this chess genius, sitting down playing chess in their head in front of me.

02:16:01.000 I was like, wow, this is crazy.

02:16:03.000 And it reminds me, it's like the autobiography of Malcolm X. Malcolm X said, there's all this wisdom in the hood that these can be mathematical geniuses.

02:16:12.000 These can be the people who cure cancer, but they're not being put in positions where they can actually take advantage of this.

02:16:20.000 Yeah, and also mistakes, like whatever mistake you make when you're a young person, whether it's selling drugs or shooting a gun in the air for your third offense, there's certain mistakes that automatically disqualify you from any personal growth for the rest of your life.

02:16:35.000 Like, that's it.

02:16:36.000 You are now contained and incarcerated, and there'll be no growth.

02:16:40.000 That's insane.

02:16:41.000 And the thing is, it should be a really small list of things that disqualify you from society for the rest of your life, especially at 18. There are things, but it should be a pretty small finite list.

02:16:51.000 It should be monsters. 0.97

02:16:51.000 Yeah, it should be like, you are a monster. 0.97

02:16:53.000 And even that, we should still check in with you every now and again to go, are you still a monster? 0.98

02:16:57.000 How's that monster thing going?

02:16:59.000 What is a monster?

02:16:59.000 Is there a pill?

02:16:59.000 Yeah, if we if we like sort of put you in therapy and educate you you're still gonna be a monster We should still be working on these people, but it's certainly not inefficient It's not for the betterment for society that we've taken this huge pool of people out of the prison system And as and you know,

02:17:15.000 this is the thing Black people are like 12% of the American population.

02:17:18.000 We're 40% of the American prison population.

02:17:20.000 Somewhere around there, please Google it, make sure.

02:17:22.000 But it's not because we're doing 40% of the crime.

02:17:26.000 Black people do crime, but we're over-sentenced a lot of times.

02:17:29.000 We're not getting proper representation. 0.98

02:17:32.000 There's like the three-strike laws.

02:17:34.000 So it's like something that a white guy in Nebraska does, a black guy does in California, something that's in prison for the rest of his life. 0.68

02:17:39.000 You know what I mean?

02:17:42.000 There's unequal application of the law, which ends up putting us in prison at a higher rate.

02:17:46.000 Isn't there more people in prison in America than the rest of the world's prisons?

02:17:52.000 It might be.

02:17:53.000 If you look at the graph of the number of people in prison, it stays pretty constant for a long time, and then right around the 80s, it goes...

02:18:02.000 We have somewhere between 2 and 3 million people in prison.

02:18:05.000 The 80s.

02:18:06.000 You can pull it up, but it goes straight up.

02:18:09.000 What were the laws that caused that to...

02:18:10.000 It's like mandatory minimums and...

02:18:13.000 Incarcerated Americans, wow, look at that. 1.00

02:18:15.000 1980-something.

02:18:17.000 It just launches straight up.

02:18:19.000 Yeah.

02:18:19.000 In a completely vertical line.

02:18:21.000 That's nuts.

02:18:22.000 And it's like, it wasn't, people are committing the same, it's not like crime, like, man, people are just committing so many more crimes.

02:18:27.000 It's just about why we were keeping them in prison longer. 1.00

02:18:29.000 Look at that shit. 1.00

02:18:30.000 In the 1970s, it was less... 1.00

02:18:33.000 Look at the number.

02:18:35.000 Less than a million people.

02:18:36.000 And let's talk about this.

02:18:37.000 We're talking about the 1970s.

02:18:38.000 That's the Scorsese movie era.

02:18:42.000 Crime and crime is at all.

02:18:44.000 The streets of New York.

02:18:45.000 Solid 1970s.

02:18:47.000 It looks like 400,000 people in prison.

02:18:50.000 If that's half a million, that looks like somewhere around 400,000. 1.00

02:18:55.000 That's fucking insane. 0.98

02:18:56.000 And now it's millions. 0.99

02:18:58.000 And again, it's not because crime got so much worse.

02:19:01.000 It was that we started to private prisons and made it that we need to keep people in here.

02:19:07.000 We need to hold people.

02:19:08.000 We're making money.

02:19:09.000 This is a money-making enterprise, so we need to keep people in here.

02:19:13.000 The real problem is once you've got something like that going on, pulling that back is going to be extremely difficult.

02:19:20.000 Once there's profit to be made from incarcerating people.

02:19:24.000 Yeah, and I mean, there's a guy, you know Shane Bauer?

02:19:28.000 I've heard the name.

02:19:29.000 Shane Bauer, he works for Mother Jones Magazine.

02:19:31.000 He's one of those guys who gets on the ground, but he did a whole thing where he was a prison guard in Louisiana.

02:19:35.000 He applied for a job as a prison guard at a for-profit prison in Louisiana.

02:19:38.000 Wow, just for the story?

02:19:39.000 Just for the story, and didn't hide his identity.

02:19:42.000 Where do you work?

02:19:42.000 Mother Jones Magazine.

02:19:44.000 We need people.

02:19:45.000 Like, they didn't do any sort of big background check.

02:19:47.000 And there was a huge article he did a couple years ago, like a year or so ago, about being a prison guard.

02:19:51.000 And I mean, if you read it, it's like...

02:19:53.000 The things you can get away with when you are the prison guard and the ways in which you can treat people at this prison in Louisiana, it's a nightmare.

02:20:01.000 Prison is supposed to be about rehabilitation.

02:20:05.000 Yeah, it's not.

02:20:06.000 And it's not.

02:20:07.000 And it's about for-profit prisons.

02:20:10.000 He's another guy you should have on.

02:20:11.000 I'm booking your podcast.

02:20:12.000 Please do.

02:20:13.000 The amount of money they spend is directly related to the amount of money they earn. 1.00

02:20:20.000 Feed you with the cheapest fucking food they can get in your body. 0.99

02:20:23.000 That's exactly what this is about. 1.00

02:20:24.000 And also, it's about keeping you in line.

02:20:26.000 It's not about keeping you...

02:20:27.000 It's not about helping you.

02:20:29.000 It's about keeping you in line.

02:20:30.000 In the San Quentin episode, I went to the mess hall with him and had the food, the dinner.

02:20:35.000 And it was like...

02:20:37.000 First of all, it's like the worst level of food.

02:20:41.000 It's just like peas.

02:20:43.000 You know, like carrots.

02:20:44.000 Like stewed carrots.

02:20:46.000 There's no taste to it.

02:20:49.000 And then like a hot dog.

02:20:52.000 Not with a bun.

02:20:53.000 Just a hot dog.

02:20:54.000 San Quentin's a good prison.

02:20:55.000 San Quentin's the prison that every prisoner wants to graduate to in California.

02:21:00.000 And so a lot of the guys end up illegally bringing food in and then making food together in their cells because they're like, I can't eat this.

02:21:08.000 This is not good for you.

02:21:10.000 And also dinner's at 5 o'clock.

02:21:13.000 And you eat at 5 o'clock and nobody's going to bed at 6. And so you're still hungry.

02:21:18.000 So you're still late.

02:21:18.000 So at 10 o'clock at night you're hungry.

02:21:20.000 You have to figure out a different way to make something happen. 0.83

02:21:22.000 And what's also fucked is that you get like 30 cents an hour or something like that for working.

02:21:27.000 And you know why that is? 0.92

02:21:28.000 It's because the Emancipation Proclamation didn't apply to prisoners.

02:21:33.000 Really?

02:21:33.000 Yeah, so that's why you can pay prisoners 30 cents an hour.

02:21:38.000 Oh, beautiful.

02:21:40.000 Flora's face.

02:21:42.000 Remember we gonna talk about fun things?

02:21:43.000 What happened?

02:21:44.000 Yeah, I don't know what happened, dude. 0.99

02:21:45.000 Tell me some fun shit. 0.98

02:21:46.000 What did you do that was fun? 0.99

02:21:47.000 Like, what did you enjoy?

02:21:49.000 What did I enjoy?

02:21:51.000 We did Puerto Rico.

02:21:52.000 Oh, tell me about Puerto Rico.

02:21:54.000 Because I just had Peter Schiff on.

02:21:55.000 He moved all his money over to Puerto Rico because you don't have to pay taxes.

02:21:58.000 Oh, yeah.

02:21:59.000 The whole thing with Puerto Rico is so strange.

02:22:01.000 But to me, Puerto Rico is bankrupt.

02:22:04.000 It's like $80 billion, some sort of crazy figure of debt.

02:22:07.000 And it's just because the U.S. has used Puerto Rico, it's like the ATM. We sort of did things there, and because it wasn't a state, we didn't have to do it the same way.

02:22:17.000 But it is one of the most beautiful places I've ever been in my life.

02:22:20.000 And I was there, the showrunner, Donnie Jackson, he'd been there before.

02:22:25.000 He's like, there's houses for $25,000.

02:22:28.000 And I was like calling my wife, we don't own a house in California, we should buy a house!

02:22:34.000 It's such a fun, beautiful place that has been exploited by the United States of America by not being a state and not being an independent country.

02:22:42.000 Well, it's weird too.

02:22:43.000 Things aren't allowed to ship directly to Puerto Rico.

02:22:46.000 They have to ship to the United States and then go to Puerto Rico so that everything's super expensive there.

02:22:50.000 Everything's super expensive.

02:22:51.000 But for me, it's like being in a foreign country but your cell phone works.

02:22:55.000 Like so it's like so you get all the like different culture and new food and and you get all the like You know the people speak Spanish So if you speak a little bit of Spanish you can get by it's a super diverse place So like I as a guy's married to a white woman with a couple mixed-race kids We don't feel like we stick out there,

02:23:12.000 you know, we're just sort of like and the weather was I was like I I was I want to I want to go back so badly Really?

02:23:18.000 You loved it, huh?

02:23:19.000 I loved it and I don't like stuff Do you think you could live there?

02:23:23.000 I think I could retire there.

02:23:24.000 I think if I was all said and done, I think I could be like, I think at this point it'd be hard, but I certainly think, if my life was an East Coast life, maybe, because there's a lot of people, a lot of Puerto Ricans who live in New York who have houses in Puerto Rico, but then I also feel weird because I'm not Puerto Rican, like, am I a gentrifier?

02:23:37.000 Am I making it better? 0.87

02:23:38.000 Am I screwing you? 0.96

02:23:39.000 Am I buying this house for $25,000? 1.00

02:23:41.000 Is that helping you or is that actually fucking you over? 0.99

02:23:43.000 Right. 0.99

02:23:44.000 I bought this $25,000 house.

02:23:46.000 You have to be conscious of that stuff.

02:23:47.000 Yeah, I believe you have to be conscious of that.

02:23:49.000 So I think if I did it, I would...

02:23:50.000 But I met the governor of Puerto Rico, who is not very popular, but I was happy to talk to a governor.

02:23:56.000 But, you know, the whole battle is over statehood.

02:23:59.000 Do they want it?

02:24:00.000 Like...

02:24:02.000 It's really a disputed thing.

02:24:03.000 Many activists don't want it because they feel like, why are we sort of being subjugated by the United States?

02:24:08.000 Why can't we be our own country?

02:24:09.000 But the problem is they're like $80 trillion, like whatever it is.

02:24:12.000 They're so much in debt, it's like, what happens?

02:24:14.000 But it feels like to me like it's an...

02:24:18.000 It's like, it's Hawaii, but it's also, it's like Hawaii, but it's like if we had, it doesn't make sense it's in debt, is what I'm saying.

02:24:26.000 It doesn't make sense that, it feels like this is a beautiful place.

02:24:28.000 This could be, if you, just taking advantage of what it looks like, this place should be making a lot of money.

02:24:33.000 Just as a resort.

02:24:34.000 Just as a resort.

02:24:34.000 Just as a place to like, and done the right way.

02:24:37.000 This should be making money hand over fist.

02:24:39.000 So I sort of feel like, do I invest in Puerto Rico?

02:24:42.000 What do I do?

02:24:43.000 That's what I do with my money.

02:24:45.000 Do you think you could be an East Coast guy, though, if you've lived all this time on the West Coast?

02:24:51.000 Well, Puerto Rico's not the East Coast.

02:24:53.000 That's a different thing.

02:24:54.000 You'd have to either live there all told?

02:24:57.000 I'm all told.

02:24:58.000 I'm talking about that version of me that somehow ends up with Kevin Hart money without working as hard as Kevin Hart.

02:25:06.000 Or somehow something happens where you go, man, it's weird that I invested in that shoelace company and now those shoelaces are everywhere!

02:25:13.000 Then it would be like, I'm tapped out.

02:25:15.000 Time to go to Puerto Rico.

02:25:17.000 I would certainly spend some time there.

02:25:19.000 If you go to Puerto Rico, though, and you move all your business to Puerto Rico, you move your money to Puerto Rico, you don't have to pay taxes.

02:25:25.000 Believe me, I'm with it.

02:25:27.000 It's real weird.

02:25:27.000 It's my wife that would not be.

02:25:29.000 She's the West Coaster. 1.00

02:25:30.000 She would not be down for that.

02:25:32.000 But I do think about going back.

02:25:33.000 I was hoping we could screen an episode there, the Puerto Rico episode there, because it was a lot of fun.

02:25:37.000 But CNN did not want to do that.

02:25:38.000 How many episodes have you done so far?

02:25:39.000 We've done 16. It's eight a season.

02:25:41.000 Wow.

02:25:42.000 And so we're about to start.

02:25:43.000 We start filming season two, like, September 3rd?

02:25:46.000 Yeah?

02:25:47.000 Yeah.

02:25:47.000 Pumped?

02:25:48.000 Yeah, I'm excited.

02:25:49.000 I mean, it's weird, because last season when the show went off the air, I felt like I could tell that people didn't, sort of the talk about the show had gone away.

02:25:56.000 But the Trump era is good for business.

02:25:58.000 Well, how so?

02:26:00.000 What do you mean like you felt that the talk had gone away?

02:26:02.000 Well, just like, you know, when your special comes out and you're walking around town, more people may recognize you.

02:26:07.000 You know, like, more people are like, ah!

02:26:09.000 And then when your special's not out, it's not, you know, sometimes the volume gets turned down.

02:26:13.000 But with this, like, I still walk around and it's like the show is still on the air.

02:26:16.000 People are still talking about the show when they see me.

02:26:17.000 There's a sense of, like, Like they really feel the show in a very deep way like I hear from people like families watch the show together and like, you know, and I didn't make it for that reason so it so it feels like the show We the first season show Obama was still in office So I felt like that was like the mixtape and the first season was like the out the second thing was like the album and so I feel like now like people are looking for the show in a different way so it feels like I Knowing that,

02:26:40.000 I have to make sure the show steps it up a notch.

02:26:42.000 I feel the pressure to make sure that we don't...

02:26:45.000 I don't want to make the show like, which white supremacist is he going to talk to this season?

02:26:50.000 We have to do other things.

02:26:51.000 We can't be repeating that.

02:26:52.000 That's interesting.

02:26:53.000 So you feel like a sense of responsibility, not just to entertain, but also to kind of get some ideas out there that maybe would reach people.

02:27:00.000 I just I mean, I feel like we're all as comedians.

02:27:02.000 We're all responsible to our material.

02:27:05.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:06.000 And so I feel like in that sense I'm not doing anything different than Jim Gaffigan's doing.

02:27:10.000 You know what I mean?

02:27:10.000 Like there's these are the things I want to talk about.

02:27:12.000 These are the things you want to talk about.

02:27:13.000 These are the things I want to talk about.

02:27:14.000 You're not Jim Gaffigan.

02:27:14.000 I'm not Jim Gaffigan.

02:27:16.000 But I feel like I don't want to separate myself from...

02:27:20.000 It's easy to somehow...

02:27:21.000 I believe in the work I'm doing.

02:27:23.000 I'm excited about the work I'm doing.

02:27:24.000 I do think that the work can help lubricate changes.

02:27:28.000 It's not the change, but I don't want to get caught up in the sort of like, this is important.

02:27:34.000 At the end of the day, people often say to me, do you still consider yourself a comedian?

02:27:38.000 Yes, I'm a comedian.

02:27:39.000 Yes, I still do stand-up.

02:27:40.000 I'm trying to work on my next special.

02:27:42.000 I'm still trying to do these things.

02:27:44.000 It's fun to say funny things.

02:27:47.000 I just like to say funny things about these things.

02:27:49.000 Right.

02:27:49.000 Yeah.

02:27:50.000 Well, you also, you're part of this giant discussion, whether you're a comedian or an author or a journalist, you're part of this giant discussion, which is human culture.

02:27:59.000 And I think we need people that are articulate and thoughtful on all sides.

02:28:04.000 We need to, like, figure out that there's going to be all styles of humans that Different things that people are interested in, but what's gotta be, like, the most important thing about being an American is respecting all the other styles of human, all the other ways people think, 0.59

02:28:20.000 whether they're conservative or whether they're liberal or whether they're, you know, whether they choose to, whatever the fuck it is.

02:28:28.000 You want to live off the land in Alaska or whether you want to be in Manhattan and I mean, you know, whether you want to be in Alabama or whether you want to be in Berkeley. 0.97

02:28:36.000 And I go to both those places, so I see all those people.

02:28:38.000 So I think the thing is, and you have to realize that just as something maybe makes you nervous or scared, it's not always about you.

02:28:45.000 And I think that's the big thing that people get wrong about the Bay Area.

02:28:47.000 We're not all a bunch of liberal people on the same page.

02:28:49.000 We just recognize that we all go out there because it's like, I just want to go someplace where I can do my own thing.

02:28:53.000 And just go meet some rich people in Marin County, if you think that.

02:28:55.000 Exactly, yeah, yeah.

02:28:56.000 Or Silicon Valley.

02:28:58.000 Yeah, Silicon Valley.

02:28:59.000 Well, those Silicon Valley people are so weird, though, because they try so hard to go left.

02:29:03.000 Because it's almost like they feel like they have to.

02:29:05.000 It's like a part of the business model.

02:29:07.000 Well, a lot of those people, it's like, I mean, it's like when you're like, wait, did you really invent anything?

02:29:12.000 It wasn't like Instagram.

02:29:14.000 Wasn't that Facebook, but just pictures?

02:29:16.000 So I feel like there's probably a lot of Silicon Valley guilt in there, too.

02:29:20.000 Oh, the amount of money.

02:29:21.000 Just the amount of money?

02:29:22.000 I said, I'm just going to do the part about Facebook that's pictured.

02:29:25.000 Now I have a billion dollars.

02:29:26.000 They're thinking Zuckerberg is going to run for president.

02:29:31.000 Why not?

02:29:32.000 Trump has changed.

02:29:33.000 He's turned the table over.

02:29:35.000 So I think in that sense, let's see what happens.

02:29:38.000 I think we definitely need new ideas, but I'm not caping for Zuckerberg.

02:29:42.000 I don't know him.

02:29:44.000 The world is better now than it was in 1900, but it's a slow, sort of gradual evolution of human ideas.

02:29:53.000 And I think that shows like yours contribute to that, and conversations contribute to that.

02:29:59.000 This thing is like one layer of paint at a time.

02:30:03.000 We're trying to build a mountain.

02:30:05.000 It's frustrating for people because they want immediate change.

02:30:08.000 And I think the thing is, to take that analogy, sometimes you go, that was the wrong color of paint.

02:30:12.000 We've got to put that...

02:30:13.000 Yeah, there's going to be some errors.

02:30:15.000 Yeah, there's some errors.

02:30:17.000 I believe we're going through an error.

02:30:19.000 This is the error era.

02:30:21.000 I don't know, though, because I think the response to it has genuinely energized people to look at the surroundings, look at politics, look at the way we're governing this civilization, the way that we're interacting with each other. 0.93

02:30:38.000 The people that are responding to these people walking down the street with fucking Home Depot candles and screaming out, Yeah. 0.55

02:31:02.000 Yeah. 1.00

02:31:04.000 You know is pretty left-wing.

02:31:06.000 Who are these people? 0.96

02:31:08.000 What part of us is represented in this ugly aspect of our culture, whether it's people that hate white people or people that hate black people or people that hate Jews? 0.95

02:31:20.000 What is this? 0.88

02:31:21.000 Why is this still here?

02:31:23.000 What has failed that this still exists?

02:31:26.000 And I think these conversations are a big part.

02:31:29.000 I mean, what you're doing by doing your show is you're, you know, for millions of people, they get to tune in and they get to just, like, hear the words and it adds layers to the way they understand human beings. 0.79

02:31:41.000 It's so goddamn important, man.

02:31:43.000 And for me, I appreciate you saying that. 0.78

02:31:45.000 And for me, there's a part of this that is wholly just like, I want to have these conversations.

02:31:49.000 Yeah.

02:31:50.000 And I'm happy that I have CNN's budget to make these conversations happen.

02:31:53.000 I've always wanted to sit down with- But that's the engine.

02:31:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:31:55.000 That's the engine that pushes you forward.

02:31:57.000 Is that you actually do want to have these conversations.

02:31:59.000 And that's one of the things that makes them just authentic to people that are watching the show.

02:32:03.000 I can tell when I watch your show, this has come out really being interested in this.

02:32:08.000 When I'm not interested, we don't use it.

02:32:11.000 We really work hard to pick the right people.

02:32:15.000 We had a whole debate like, what if we could get Trump?

02:32:18.000 What would you do?

02:32:20.000 I really pushed back.

02:32:21.000 I was like, I don't believe, because I believe he's uncurious, I don't believe there's any there there.

02:32:27.000 Would you ask him if he's uncurious?

02:32:29.000 I'd rather...

02:32:30.000 But I don't think he would even take in the question that I was asking.

02:32:33.000 I'd rather Ivanka.

02:32:34.000 You know what I mean?

02:32:35.000 I'd rather somebody who I feel like you can see sometimes is like, this is not going according to plan.

02:32:40.000 She grew up with the internet.

02:32:42.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:32:42.000 I would rather...

02:32:45.000 Probably rather Bannon, you know what I mean?

02:32:47.000 Like I feel like I don't believe that there's any there there with Trump.

02:32:50.000 Do you think he would smell like sulfur?

02:32:53.000 He probably purposefully...

02:32:55.000 Someone light a match?

02:32:56.000 I feel like he's the kind of guy who probably carries sulfur in his pocket just so he does smell like sulfur.

02:33:00.000 He wants to create the illusion that like, I am death.

02:33:02.000 I am the reckoning.

02:33:04.000 I am the end of all times.

02:33:06.000 Yeah, it's like the Bhagavad Gita.

02:33:07.000 I am become death, destroyer of worlds.

02:33:09.000 Yeah, like I think he probably, you know...

02:33:11.000 That's why I hate it when Saturday Night Live made him, the parody of him was like the Grim Reaper.

02:33:15.000 He was like, yeah, I am.

02:33:17.000 That's not making fun of him.

02:33:18.000 That's not good.

02:33:19.000 He's like, that's what I am.

02:33:20.000 I am the Grim Reaper.

02:33:21.000 The Sean Spicer one was hilarious because Trump thought that Melissa McCarthy doing it made him look weak because a woman was doing his impression.

02:33:28.000 There was a push at one point to have Rosie O'Donnell do Trump and I was like, that would have been amazing.

02:33:33.000 Why didn't she do it? 0.83

02:33:34.000 She was down to do it.

02:33:35.000 She tweeted about it.

02:33:36.000 Tom Baldwin was so good at it, though.

02:33:37.000 He's great, but I think that...

02:33:38.000 He's so perfect at it.

02:33:39.000 Malak Baldwin's great, but Rosie would have really hurt Trump's feelings. 0.95

02:33:41.000 He probably would have, right? 1.00

02:33:43.000 Especially if she could say some dark, dark shit about him. 1.00

02:33:45.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:33:46.000 I love the fact that Spicer retired, too, when Scaramucci got on board.

02:33:50.000 He's like, that's it.

02:33:51.000 Yeah, but then, now that Scaramucci's gone, Spicer hasn't been like, can I have my job back?

02:33:54.000 He was like...

02:33:55.000 You don't want a job back.

02:33:55.000 Exactly.

02:33:56.000 I think it's funny.

02:33:58.000 Nobody's heard Spicer go...

02:33:59.000 Well, I'm glad that I can finally return to my place.

02:34:02.000 Do you imagine being the guy that has to tell everybody that this is the biggest crowd at the White House for the inauguration ever?

02:34:08.000 On your first day!

02:34:09.000 And you know that there's photos.

02:34:11.000 You know that there's photos.

02:34:13.000 And you, that's your, like, the first thing you want me to tell people is a lie.

02:34:16.000 And you could see the look in Spicer's face like, I know this is a lie.

02:34:20.000 I have a weird soft spot in my heart for Sarah Huckabee Sanders, because she goes out there like... 1.00

02:34:25.000 And she's only like 30, right?

02:34:28.000 I think she's younger than that.

02:34:29.000 Yeah, I think she's...

02:34:32.000 I think she's 28. No, I think she's in her mid-30s.

02:34:34.000 Is she?

02:34:34.000 I think so.

02:34:35.000 But I don't know.

02:34:36.000 I thought she was just 28 with hard years.

02:34:39.000 I like the fact that she's out there like the...

02:34:42.000 25?

02:34:43.000 35. I like the fact that she's out there like, you kind of know she knows this a lot too, but I'm not blinking.

02:34:48.000 One of the things that she said when Trump was attacking people on Twitter, she was like, if you attack him, he hits back ten times harder.

02:34:57.000 I'm like, hey, that's not good. 0.99

02:34:59.000 What the fuck are you saying? 0.99

02:35:01.000 What are you talking about? 1.00

02:35:02.000 You don't teach your children that.

02:35:04.000 We're not talking about a boxer that's really good at taking punches.

02:35:07.000 This is crazy.

02:35:08.000 This is the president of the United States.

02:35:10.000 Whatever happened to turn the other cheek?

02:35:11.000 We thought there was a thing called presidential.

02:35:13.000 But we thought that defined the person.

02:35:15.000 But now what we're learning is that the person defines the word.

02:35:18.000 Yeah.

02:35:19.000 That he's defining what presidential is.

02:35:21.000 Right.

02:35:21.000 So his supporters believe, if he did it, and this is what Trump believes, you can tell, if I say it, it's presidential.

02:35:27.000 If I say it, then it's worthy of the president saying it.

02:35:29.000 So if me retweeting as he did the other day, like, you know, whatever, some sort of conspiracy theory, like nonsense, then it's a legitimate thing.

02:35:38.000 It has to be.

02:35:39.000 The president did it.

02:35:40.000 It's like the same thing with the monarchy in England.

02:35:43.000 If the queen says it, then that's what it is.

02:35:45.000 So this is where we're at.

02:35:47.000 It's a fascinating play if it didn't have so much of an impact on our actual well-being.

02:35:54.000 Yeah.

02:35:54.000 No, people told me about...

02:35:55.000 I was talking to a woman yesterday who was a public school teacher, and she was saying, or had been a public school teacher, and she's talking to other public school teachers about there are kids...

02:36:02.000 Who go to school every day, who are born in this country, you know, they may be, they're from the Latino kids who are born in this country, their parents are undocumented, and they go to school every day afraid that their parents are gonna be kicked out of the country, and not knowing what that does to them, and now somebody's like,

02:36:18.000 why didn't you do your homework?

02:36:21.000 It's like, you're like, because I have a lot going on right now.

02:36:24.000 Why do you seem so sullen?

02:36:26.000 Why you got an attitude problem?

02:36:27.000 You know what I mean?

02:36:30.000 Trump doing all that up there filters down to some kid in a public school classroom who gets in a fight and then they expel him because he's like, he's got an attitude problem.

02:36:38.000 People don't think enough about how this is affecting regular-ass people.

02:36:43.000 Well, he's a role model, believe it or not.

02:36:45.000 Because he's the president, and the president, by definition, is a role model.

02:36:48.000 For sure. 0.98

02:36:48.000 I mean, when you were a kid, when I was in grade school, I remember kids saying, I want to be president someday, and other kids going, wow, this motherfucker's reaching for the stars. 0.98

02:36:57.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.98

02:36:58.000 Like, wow, you know, and how difficult would that be?

02:37:03.000 But, you know, but then again, I grew up, I remember, like, growing up, I remember when Reagan was in office, and I remember all my family being like, ugh.

02:37:10.000 Everybody was like that, which is amazing.

02:37:12.000 Well, not everybody.

02:37:13.000 There was a lot of people that were like that when Reagan was in office, which is so weird, like the whole revisionist history thing that happened after he was dead.

02:37:22.000 Yeah, he's the modern great president.

02:37:26.000 Yeah, do you guys remember the whole Ali Noor thing?

02:37:29.000 Yeah.

02:37:29.000 Do you guys remember Iran-Contra?

02:37:31.000 Do you remember the guy standing in front of the court when they were questioning him, saying he doesn't remember selling arms to Iran?

02:37:39.000 Yeah.

02:37:40.000 Like, this is madness.

02:37:41.000 Remember Nancy Reagan standing him, feeding him the next thing to say?

02:37:44.000 Yeah.

02:37:44.000 Yeah, no, I think that, so, to me, it's like, in my lifetime, it's like people were like, Like, people I know, Reagan was such a bad president.

02:37:52.000 And then you get George W. Bush, no, that's a bad president.

02:37:54.000 And then you get Trump.

02:37:55.000 So I'm like, well, what's...

02:37:56.000 The time doesn't end with Trump.

02:38:00.000 What's next?

02:38:02.000 And that's why I think when you say, like, seeing how people react to Trump and stand up and in the streets...

02:38:06.000 To me, it's like today they're doing that or they did it this weekend, but it's like at some point people either they get exhausted by doing that.

02:38:12.000 There's a march right now going from Charlottesville to DC to protest, you know, all the things that Trump said in the wake of Charlottesville.

02:38:18.000 They're gonna walk the whole way?

02:38:19.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:38:19.000 They're gonna lose a bunch of people along the way.

02:38:21.000 Or pick up some.

02:38:21.000 I think that's more likely.

02:38:22.000 How many hours is that?

02:38:24.000 Several days, it's like a week-long thing.

02:38:26.000 They're gonna walk for several days?

02:38:28.000 They're doing it right now, as we're talking.

02:38:29.000 I think a lot of times with those marches, the hardcore people start first, and then I might show up Saturday afternoon, hey guys, we walked this whole...

02:38:36.000 Sweating.

02:38:37.000 Yeah, whoo! 0.97

02:38:39.000 Spray yourself a little mister and jump out of a trailer with makeup on. 0.99

02:38:42.000 Remember when we were all in Charlottesville a few days ago?

02:38:44.000 But yes.

02:38:45.000 Man, we walked a long way.

02:38:47.000 Remember that fun adventure we had?

02:38:48.000 But there's people right now who are walking from Shardsville to Deceit because they're saying we have to keep the pressure on.

02:38:53.000 But it's exhausting to do that.

02:38:54.000 Not everybody can do that.

02:38:55.000 I don't know how much it helps.

02:38:57.000 Because remember the women's march?

02:38:58.000 Totally unacknowledged.

02:38:59.000 You never said a thing about it.

02:39:00.000 There's millions of people all over the world marching against him. 0.99

02:39:03.000 People wearing pussy hats. 0.99

02:39:04.000 Nobody cared. 0.99

02:39:05.000 He just doesn't seem to respond.

02:39:07.000 But I think sometimes it's not about whether the people in power care.

02:39:10.000 It's whether the people care and it gets the people energized to do the next thing.

02:39:13.000 So I think that, like, you know, the march on Washington that King did, you can't go, and the next day.

02:39:22.000 But it certainly becomes a historical moment that people then look for.

02:39:25.000 And it also becomes like everybody, but most people in their homes were talking about the Women's March.

02:39:30.000 And it starts to think that, like, it's the same thing with marriage equality.

02:39:33.000 Like, it starts to open up people's brains.

02:39:34.000 Like, huh, man, what were they talking about?

02:39:36.000 And some people are having bad conversations.

02:39:38.000 But to me, it's like it opens up, as long as you keep the conversation going, there's a potential for change.

02:39:42.000 Yeah, it just takes time.

02:39:43.000 There's an old expression that comes to gambling and it also can be applied to weight loss and a bunch of other things in life that you get better the same way you got sick.

02:39:51.000 Like with gambling, you can't just win it all back.

02:39:56.000 You gotta slowly try to chip away and get back.

02:39:59.000 And then with weight loss, you can't just lose all that weight.

02:40:01.000 It doesn't happen like that.

02:40:03.000 How long did it take you to get fat?

02:40:04.000 Well, guess what?

02:40:05.000 It's going to take you a similar amount of time to lose that weight.

02:40:07.000 Yeah, maybe longer to lose the weight.

02:40:09.000 Yeah, and you could very well.

02:40:10.000 And I think for our culture, it's going to take a while to sort all this out.

02:40:15.000 And I think we also have a problem that the actual operating system that we use, this whole representative government that was set up back when you had to take a letter by horse to get to people.

02:40:27.000 Yeah.

02:40:27.000 It's really not necessary anymore.

02:40:29.000 And it creates a lot of red tape and it creates a lot of bureaucratic inefficiency that I think if we had no government right now and we're trying to structure a government, the last thing we would do is have one person with an incredible amount of power that could also launch the nukes and pardon criminals.

02:40:46.000 We wouldn't have that.

02:40:47.000 We'd never set that up like that.

02:40:49.000 We would put in those offices with cubicles that are in a semicircle.

02:40:53.000 And we would also probably have a council of wise people.

02:40:57.000 A presidential council of people.

02:40:58.000 People that are mathematics professors, that understand economics, people that understand geography and understand cultural differences, people that really understand healthcare, that really understand Understand all the different things we're dealing with.

02:41:12.000 And we wouldn't make the Supreme Court a lifetime appointment.

02:41:14.000 You would go, you know, you get it for 20 years and then you move on.

02:41:18.000 That's crazy.

02:41:18.000 Yeah, you don't, you don't, and we wouldn't, there's no, this is the thing I don't think Democrats focus enough on unless they're doing it behind closed doors.

02:41:25.000 You would not have the Electoral College. 0.98

02:41:27.000 No fucking way. 0.99

02:41:28.000 You would not. 1.00

02:41:29.000 No fucking way. 1.00

02:41:30.000 Nobody could sell it to you. 0.99

02:41:30.000 Nobody could, nobody could tell you why it makes sense now. 0.99

02:41:33.000 Ohio's important!

02:41:35.000 Wait a minute.

02:41:35.000 Settle down.

02:41:36.000 How important?

02:41:37.000 Yeah, everybody's important, but is it more important than anybody else?

02:41:39.000 Yeah.

02:41:40.000 One person, one vote, man.

02:41:41.000 We're just, yeah, we're looking at this whole thing, like, every election boils down to, like, four or five states.

02:41:46.000 Right.

02:41:46.000 It's crazy.

02:41:47.000 Like, in California, by the time the polls close, they tell you who won, because they're like, we know how California voted.

02:41:51.000 So then I become a person who's like, what's the point of me voting for, you know, it's like, you know, so for me, Electoral College, and then...

02:41:58.000 Gerrymandering where the whole thing where they get to sort of they divide your neighborhood up into a way that sort of benefits the you know those are the things that are really That's why it's scary about who comes after Trump because as long as the Electoral College exists it automatically sort of tips the country to more sort of Right-leaning direction,

02:42:14.000 you know and and now which is maybe fine except when the right becomes Trump You know like you know if it's it's different if it's President John McCain, which I'm not a huge John McCain fan But I feel like at least there's a through line, you know where so for me it's like The electoral college is never—that's why the left has to fight so hard.

02:42:30.000 And I feel like if Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer aren't in meetings right now, like, we gotta fuck this electoral college up, we gotta take it down, then we're sort of losing the plot of how this works.

02:42:39.000 Well, I don't think it's necessary anymore.

02:42:41.000 And this idea that, well, the people in the middle need it because the people on the coasts, the large population centers, they can dictate.

02:42:48.000 Well, yeah.

02:42:48.000 There's more people there.

02:42:50.000 You fucking idiot. 1.00

02:42:51.000 There's more people there. 1.00

02:42:52.000 That's the actual country.

02:42:53.000 Yeah, yeah.

02:42:54.000 That's why they're dictating. 0.99

02:42:55.000 What about the rest of America out here fucking our kids in the middle of the fields? 0.98

02:42:59.000 It's not... 0.97

02:43:02.000 Well, people define us as most, like, we have more people, and they're like, but we got more land.

02:43:07.000 That's not the same thing.

02:43:08.000 It's all of us.

02:43:10.000 We're all supposed to be in this thing together.

02:43:12.000 It would be a way more interesting election if everybody knew they're just counting the votes.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, and there's great people in the middle, too.

02:43:20.000 And politicians would have to work way harder instead of going, well, I'm not going to go talk to people up and down California, because that's already set.

02:43:26.000 I think there's an issue with states, too.

02:43:28.000 I think there's an issue with people voting.

02:43:30.000 Like, we lost California, and now Nevada's gone.

02:43:33.000 I just think it should be just one lump group of humans.

02:43:37.000 Exactly, yes.

02:43:38.000 Let's all vote on stuff.

02:43:39.000 And there's good people everywhere.

02:43:40.000 There's good people in Iowa.

02:43:42.000 There's good people in Kansas.

02:43:43.000 There's good people in California.

02:43:46.000 We've got to stop all this divisiveness, and I think that's one of the issues that comes along with people.

02:43:51.000 I mean, there's people that have intercity competition, right? 1.00

02:43:54.000 Fuck Chicago! 0.99

02:43:55.000 You know, like, people get We get in these teams. 1.00

02:43:58.000 When it comes to the United States of America, when it comes to being the president, I genuinely think that we have to look at ourselves as one group of humans.

02:44:06.000 Well, I think we should at least feel like that each of our voices counts.

02:44:10.000 Yeah, and we're in it together.

02:44:12.000 Because right now, it's like, you know, if you live in...

02:44:14.000 It doesn't matter.

02:44:15.000 Well, the liberals, these liberals on the East Coast, they're delusional.

02:44:19.000 They don't have an understanding of the real people of America.

02:44:23.000 That voice is horrifying.

02:44:24.000 Scary voice, because you know that's a real person out there.

02:44:27.000 How did you put this voice in my act?

02:44:29.000 I felt like I was just with it.

02:44:30.000 I had a moment of like, what just happened?

02:44:31.000 I put my hood on.

02:44:33.000 Well, I'll show you how to burn a crust.

02:44:35.000 Wow, you could be like a funny voice comedian.

02:44:38.000 You could be like...

02:44:39.000 With all this other stuff.

02:44:41.000 That's funny.

02:44:42.000 Yeah, I think that we...

02:44:44.000 Because the thing is, this is one thing I'll say about United Shades.

02:44:47.000 When I go to the South Side of Chicago, we did an episode about gangs and gun violence, and gang violence in the South and West Side of Chicago.

02:44:53.000 And I did an episode of Appalachia, mostly about coal and the coal industry and how it's dying.

02:44:59.000 And even people there know, yeah, it's dying.

02:45:01.000 When Trump comes, a lot of them cheer.

02:45:03.000 But what they're cheering for is jobs.

02:45:05.000 They're not cheering for coal, necessarily.

02:45:07.000 If you said, we have other jobs for you, they'll take those jobs.

02:45:10.000 Now, they do have pride in the culture of the coal culture because it's about their life, but it doesn't have to be that.

02:45:15.000 But all I'm saying is people in Appalachia who voted for Trump, people in Chicago who voted for Hillary, are all just worried about jobs and better schools for their kids.

02:45:23.000 And safety.

02:45:23.000 Yeah.

02:45:25.000 But when we break it down to this left, right, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, it starts to change the conversation when really there is a party, and some people would say it's the Green Party, but you could form a party around those ideas and not where these other parties have gone.

02:45:39.000 I completely agree.

02:45:41.000 But listen, man, I love your show.

02:45:42.000 I'm glad you're doing it.

02:45:43.000 Thank you.

02:45:43.000 I always love talking to you.

02:45:44.000 We should do this more often.

02:45:45.000 Absolutely.

02:45:46.000 Thanks for coming on, brother.

02:45:47.000 Thanks for having me.

02:45:48.000 Tell everybody how they can reach you on social media, WKamalBell on Twitter.

02:45:53.000 Yeah, at WKamalBell at WKamalBell.com.

02:45:56.000 I'm on Instagram.

02:45:56.000 I'm on Twitter.

02:45:57.000 I'm on Facebook.

02:45:58.000 Yeah.

02:45:59.000 Yeah.

02:46:00.000 Thanks, man.

02:46:01.000 Thanks, man.

02:46:01.000 That was fun.

02:46:02.000 Thank you.

02:46:02.000 Great conversation.

02:46:03.000 All right, fuckers. 1.00

02:46:04.000 We'll see you tomorrow. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - August 29, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1004 - W. Kamau Bell

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