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00:00:39.000Ladies and gentlemen, in this amazing moment in human history where not only was a prince wed, but a couple days in this amazing moment in human history where not only was a prince wed, but a We are in the middle of an awesome movie.
00:03:12.000And Osama bin Laden was a part of that.
00:03:15.000And when the Soviet Union got out of Afghanistan, And, you know, whatever happened overseas that shifted, you know, the Taliban and Al-Qaeda's interest in, you know, taking out the United States instead of taking out Russia, instead of defending themselves.
00:03:30.000When shit got weird with Afghanistan, that's when Homeboy came into the picture.
00:03:34.000And then he basically took over over there.
00:03:40.000You know, when you start talking about what the CIA did and, you know, what they're doing, the Contras and the Sandinistas, are you sure?
00:03:46.000Because, you know, they've been lying about everything for so long.
00:03:50.000Who the fuck knows if Osama bin Laden really...
00:03:53.000Alex Jones thinks he's been dead for nine years.
00:03:56.000They froze him nine years ago, froze him, and they're pulling him out right strategically in line for when the new elections are setting up.
00:04:04.000See, what they did was they threw out this bogus birth certificate.
00:04:09.000Have you seen the bogus birth certificate?
00:04:16.000What people need to know, I asked a thread about this last night, and the general consensus among people who understand Photoshop I put up a thread on the message board asking, Photoshop wizards, please check this thing out and tell me what's up.
00:05:28.000Anyway, for people who don't know, supposedly he faked his birth certificate.
00:05:32.000And what they did was people took the image that the White House released online and they took the image and they ran it through Photoshop or Adobe Photo Elements and they saw that there were many layers to the photograph and that the photograph wasn't just one flat photograph, that things had been added supposedly or...
00:05:50.000That it looked like things had been cut and paste.
00:05:52.000But the general consensus among people who understand Photoshop seems to be that when you scan something and you put it in Adobe Photoshop, it shows layers automatically.
00:06:03.000OCR, that character recognition thing, what it does is it tries to grab the words and puts them in layers for whatever reason.
00:06:16.000It's annoying, but you would think that people would ask about this before they would make all these crazy claims that it's definitely fake.
00:07:43.000Like, it wasn't just like they were just, you know, happened to have slaves.
00:07:47.000Because that's what some people say that, you know, back then it was a, that was normal and they were just doing what was normal and they didn't like it.
00:08:22.000I mean, there's a big difference between working at McDonald's and having a manacle on and the door opens and some fucking horny guy in a wig comes in and fucks you.
00:08:32.000But I think what they realized about slavery, the reason why people were willing to let slavery go, since it was such a fucking horrendous idea, and people were willing to impose themselves so much on other people that they literally owned that person.
00:09:08.000Next thing you know, this fucking moron lives in an apartment he can't afford, with a car he can't afford, and he's a slave.
00:09:13.000He doesn't know he's a slave, but he's a slave.
00:09:15.000If you go anywhere and fuck off, they will literally take away your ability to buy things and or throw you in jail, which is way worse than being a slave.
00:09:24.000They're going to throw you in a cell with a bunch of guys who want to beat you and rape you.
00:09:57.000But here's the difference, because I've thought about this before, which is the idea that if you're working 40 hours a week, that's its own form of slavery.
00:10:08.000Well, the whole idea is someone can trick you into doing that.
00:10:21.000I mean, it is free will, and it is a society that's open, and you can work there and save up your money and move on to a better gig, and it's just a gig.
00:10:28.000You can take it until they figure out how to make robots that can do your job.
00:10:34.000But, you know, people will argue that it's slavery when you see a bunch of people that are super, super rich, and then they have super poor people that work for them.
00:12:14.000It is so hard to switch gears and change careers.
00:12:17.000It might be one of the hardest things a person could do.
00:12:19.000The reason that hallucinogens became illegal is because one of the biggest proponents of hallucinogens, Timothy Leary, He was taking LSD and was saying, tune in, turn on, drop out.
00:12:35.000His advice to these people that you're talking about was completely drop out of society.
00:12:41.000This game that you're playing where you think you've got to go to work and have a family, it's just a game.
00:12:53.000Dropping out of society, rejecting completely everything.
00:12:57.000Every aspect of the society you're in and just dropping out, going into a commune or going into San Francisco and starting the summer of love and wearing beads and dancing in the car.
00:13:06.000The problem is all those commune stories all end up with kids getting raped.
00:13:50.000If you grew up in a commune and it was awesome for you, I'm not negating your experience or saying I know any better, but what is it about communes that are so scary to people?
00:13:59.000When you hear about people branching off and going out and doing their own thing, like the Waco Davidian thing, when you hear about that cult, when you hear about a commune or a cult or anything that's really alternative to the standard model, things get really weird.
00:15:37.000This is how they had been operating for the longest time.
00:15:41.000But the age of VCRs is fairly recent, as is the age of the Internet is today.
00:15:47.000We don't realize that there's a mentality of a bunch of people that were in charge many decades before VCRs and the ability to show video to almost anybody at any time.
00:15:58.000When VCRs came along, all of a sudden you can watch something again.
00:16:02.000And you could go, what's going on here?
00:16:05.000Yeah, whereas before they basically picked and choose what they broadcast casted on television.
00:16:09.000Once you had the ability to record things, and then tapes started passing around, and then in the case of Waco, I think that was the early 90s, right?
00:17:08.000I mean, I'm sure he didn't want to die, but he must have been.
00:17:12.000But yeah, to go back to the question, it is a very strange thing that when these alternate societies spring up in our society, they usually go bad or they end up getting attacked.
00:18:38.000So he goes back to Harvard and starts the Harvard Psilocybin Project, which is where they're giving psilocybin to students and Well, they weren't supposed to be, but they're experimenting with psilocybin to induce mystical states of being.
00:18:53.000They're going into prisons with mushrooms and giving the...
00:18:59.000The prisoners are eating it with them.
00:19:02.000Like, they would trip out on mushrooms with the prisoners to try to do therapy and...
00:19:08.000So, Andrew Weill fucking goes into one of their meetings where the staff is meeting about this and, like, writes a kind of negative news story in Harvard about how these professors have started a semi-cult and are giving psychedelics to their students.
00:19:25.000And this ended up in Timothy Leary and Richard Alpert getting kicked out of Harvard because, like, the Harvard newspaper, and I don't remember the name of it, is read by, like, the president and stuff.
00:19:37.000And so they got kicked out of Harvard and they went down to Mexico and were taking mushrooms.
00:19:43.000And this woman whose husband used to be in the CIA was hanging out with him and she told Timothy Leary, everybody's totally cool with you guys doing this as long as you keep it quiet.
00:20:16.000So you're saying that President Kennedy was doing acid?
00:20:19.000Well, President Kennedy came from Harvard, and yes, according to this book, this woman who dated Timothy Leary supposedly went to this Mexican, to this retreat or the hotel in Mexico, and as I recall, You know, said that she wanted to get some LSD for someone who's too famous to talk about.
00:22:01.000And that's not something that's very well known, man.
00:22:05.000Very few people have heard that story.
00:22:08.000People have no idea about the history of LSD at all.
00:22:13.000Well, if you want to look online, look up the CIA doses French town because there was a town in France where it's been, by the Freedom of Information Act, these papers have been released and they found out that they did LSD studies on whole towns in France.
00:22:31.000They would dose the whole fucking village and watch people commit suicide, watch all kinds of crazy shit happen.
00:25:23.000Yeah, you know what my favorite one is?
00:25:25.000Burgess Meredith, when he's the last man on Earth, and he's like in a bookstore, so he gets all these books, and he's so excited, because that's all he wanted to do.
00:27:16.000My friend Will, who trained at John Jacques, I knew a couple other guys from there, but they're fucking animals.
00:27:23.000All of them have like, oh, this is metal.
00:27:25.000I got a fucking fake collarbone, and I got 18 plates in this hand. - Have you seen the video of the window washer in "Lethal Weapon"?
00:27:35.000That is washing the window and basically it's a stunt that went wrong and a car went through the wrong window.
00:27:42.000So there's these two stunt guys and they're washing this window because they have the outtakes and you see them all of a sudden brace themselves and one guy jumps Trying to get out of the way, and a car just goes through a window, smacks one of them, knocks him backwards into the building.
00:28:58.000I mean, I guess you have to be because if you're scared, if you're scared during one of these stunts and you spend any energy on fear, you're fucked.
00:30:49.000So, going back to this Flash Gordon thing, man.
00:30:52.000If you ever need proof of evolution for knuckleheads, just look at Flash Gordon.
00:30:58.000Look at that from 1936 and look at us today in 2011. If you can't see that things are changing and moving in a certain direction, the complexity of the dialogue, the simplicity of it in the Flash Gordon movie as compared to what we're having in this conversation right here, we're two totally different human beings.
00:31:16.000I don't know if they were incredibly naive or if it was that the Cinema was so new and naive that it could be stupid and fake because everyone sort of accepted it.
00:31:58.000It's like, you know, it's like 3D. Look how much 3D's evolved.
00:32:01.000But when you first went to, when I went to see Jaws 3D when it came out and wore those red and blue glasses, I was like, oh my god, holy shit, this is incredible.
00:32:10.000Like, there was one scene where a needle came out of the screen and it was just like, whoa, that's crazy.
00:36:18.000While you're playing the game, it erases your memory of your previous life.
00:36:23.000So the moment that thing goes on, you have no more past.
00:36:27.000You're just the memories of the character in the game rushing through the game, playing the game, completely unaware of the fact that you used to exist as a person.
00:36:53.000A lot of people say this could be some alien simulation.
00:36:57.000That we're just an alien involved in a really high-powered, super advanced, badass video game called Planet.
00:37:05.000Experience the lives of billions of people, all individually.
00:37:08.000I wrote something once about maybe the life that we're living, maybe the reason why it seems so fake is because it is fake and what we are in is some sort of a reality simulation of the roaring 20s of the technological age.
00:37:20.000Like maybe we live in some time where everything is all scented candles and perfectly lit white rooms and no one has a muscle car and no one's getting their dick sucked.
00:37:30.000And maybe there's like a simulator that you can run where you run where it's just chaos.
00:37:36.000But chaos that's entertaining as fuck.
00:37:39.000It's like every time you turn around there's some new thing.
00:37:42.000Christina Aguilera fucking up the national anthem.
00:37:45.000Two billion people tuning into the wedding.
00:37:48.000There's constant shit going on to keep you entertained.
00:37:51.000And you are in this biological ride canister.
00:38:07.000And you know, it sounds like you're advocating fantasy.
00:38:10.000It sounds like you're advocating, well, you know, so you want to look at your life as if it's some sort of a simulation and just live it as a simulation?
00:39:31.000So there's this mental pollution that comes pouring out of every information device that we have and that like corrupts your mind and you begin to think you're in a horror story when your real reality is one that's usually quite pleasant or This theme has been going back and forth with me over the last couple of weeks.
00:39:50.000I was talking about it even on stage in Canada that I don't think, and I think it goes along with the same thing that we were talking about as far as us not being able to process films and movies.
00:40:01.000that what I was saying with that was that movies, for those people who've never heard it before, I think that human beings are set up to imitate their atmosphere, and we're set up to find the alpha and follow him 'cause he's the old leader, and he's the guy with the broadsword that has the most nicks in it, and he's experienced things that you can learn from him, and so we and he's the guy with the broadsword that has the most nicks That we don't, we're set up to imitate our atmosphere, but we don't know when our atmosphere is bullshit.
00:40:27.000Those same signals All of a sudden we're getting them from a hundred foot screen and we're sitting there in IMAX surround sound and the hero, every time he comes on screen, he says the exact right thing because he's got a fucking team of writers and they've been working on it for weeks and there's music plays every time he's in the room and you get just drawn into this thing where it's incredibly influential.
00:40:52.000And I don't think we're set up to process that.
00:40:56.000I think we're set up to process the natural world.
00:40:59.000And this is along the same lines as that, right?
00:41:01.000I think when you look at the news and there's terrible things going on all over the world, I don't think we're set up to process the world.
00:41:08.000We're set up to process our fucking neighborhood.
00:41:10.000The universe, the world, is a chaotic fucking place.
00:41:13.000And the key is, when somewhere sucks, you gotta get the fuck out of there.
00:41:16.000That's how people got to America in the first place.
00:41:18.000That's why people crossed the Bering Strait when they came over from Asia.
00:41:24.000It's because the world is spinning around a fucking nuclear explosion, and sometimes it gets a little too far away, and when it does, everything freezes to death.
00:41:34.000And I think we are supposed to be in a good spot and surround ourselves with a bunch of good people, but we can't be looking at the whole goddamn thing all at once.
00:41:45.000The whole six to seven billion people all over the world.
00:41:49.000Yeah, everywhere you go, you're going to see billions Bombs going off, and people getting shot, and planes dropping fucking missiles out of the sky onto the wrong building.
00:41:58.000You're going to see that everywhere because there's so fucking many of us.
00:42:02.000You're not supposed to be monitoring the whole thing.
00:42:04.000Well, it messes up the paradigm people are enjoying, and that paradigm is its own little virtual reality game.
00:42:12.000It's like people live in denial of death.
00:42:15.000They live in denial of the impermanence of everything.
00:42:47.000The law of gravity does not need police officers to make sure that the law of gravity works.
00:42:52.000If you jump off a cliff, it's not like you land at the bottom, you're okay, and cops come and arrest you and say, you just broke the law of gravity.
00:44:05.000Don't do heroin because we don't want heroin users.
00:44:08.000Well, the idea would be, I think, that laws, like good laws, would be laws that were a natural expression of a kind of metaphysical function of the universe.
00:44:18.000You say that, man, but then you've got to realize the nature of man.
00:44:22.000Man is a violent, fucking crazy animal.
00:44:24.000And if you want to allow the nature of man to express itself in a truly unfettered way, you can have a lot of violence, man.
00:44:48.000As individuals, most of the day is filled with very little violence in comparison to what life would have been like 10,000 years ago.
00:44:54.000Life 10,000 years ago, by the time you got to be our age, you were missing a hand or something.
00:44:58.000There's some fucking arrow holes in you.
00:45:00.000If you made it through, you had a giant fucking machete mark on your head.
00:45:05.000You were experiencing violence around every corner just to stay alive.
00:45:09.000I think laws and all the things that are in place that a lot of people wouldn't agree with, even some drug smuggling laws.
00:45:17.000I think you need some sort of regulation on these assholes that want to come in here and sell poisonous shit that makes you addicted to it.
00:45:25.000Another way to look at it might be with your child.
00:45:27.000You've got certain rules that you have with kids where you have to tell them not to go into the medicine cabinet and eat these things because they can't regulate themselves and they'll die from it.
00:45:38.000Those laws are obviously necessary and they're good, but what I'm saying is there's so many laws that aren't necessary.
00:47:57.000Stuff them in those cages and start raking in the cash.
00:48:00.000It's just so weird to know that that's a real thing.
00:48:03.000Well, I mean, it's a form of vampirism.
00:48:07.000You're basically sucking people's life energies out of them, converting it into money, and then using that money to buy nice things for your beautiful wife.
00:48:17.000I can't tell you how much I'm disappointed in Obama as a spokesman, as a representative of us.
00:48:24.000I don't know what's going on in the world.
00:48:26.000I don't know exactly what happened with Osama bin Laden or any of this, why we're bombing Pakistan, why we're involved in...
00:48:35.000Mike, for our own benefit, how come this motherfucker, a guy who came from a single mom, how come he can't step up and figure out some way to get people to put funding into horrible neighborhoods to try to make the system better, to try to get more cops into those neighborhoods,
00:48:53.000to try to get more teachers into the schools that are more qualified, to pay them more, to set up community outreach programs for kids who don't have fathers, and set up like You know, mentoring things, you know, like local clubs where they can play sports and, you know, they can have friends and where they have something to fucking look forward to and you will create an infinitely better country.
00:49:23.000And I'm not saying we're supposed to be nanny state in the world, but I am saying there's a certain amount of people that are born in this country for sure are going to be fucked.
00:49:34.000If you really wanted to make this world better, wouldn't that be one of the first things you do?
00:49:38.000And in comparison to how much fucking money we spend just blowing shit up in a bunch of places where we're never going to go, compared to that, the fucking money would be nothing.
00:49:49.000There's an article in Salon.com which addresses the point you're saying.
00:49:52.000It's there today, I believe, that says that instead of the money it cost us to kill bin Laden, it would have paid for college and free health care for everyone in the country.
00:50:19.000And that reality, despite WikiLeaks, despite anything that gets released about any fucked up thing that happens in the world, it still seems to keep moving in the same direction.
00:51:03.000One of the most interesting things to do during rush hour is look around at all the people in the cars and you'll just see people in a dream sleepwalking.
00:51:10.000They're all asleep and the dream they're living in is that they're the only person on the planet.
00:52:25.000I think right now, more so than any time in my life, I hear psychedelic discussion more than at any time in my life.
00:52:31.000This is a big, big, big, big, big, big, big difference between now and, say, when I started comedy, like 1994, people would occasionally joke about doing mushrooms.
00:52:43.000You know, but no one was like coming home with trip reports.
00:52:46.000You know, Chris Marcus, our buddy Chris from The Flashlight, he went on a little vacation the other day and was telling me how beautiful it was.
00:52:52.000And, you know, you come back as a better person, man.
00:52:55.000You come back as literally, like I said this on stage about the guy who's got those billboards.
00:53:38.000You know, everybody would go crazy about the Bible, man, but it's in the Bible.
00:53:41.000I live my life by the Bible, but I'm...
00:53:43.000Listen, here's the bottom line about the Bible.
00:53:45.000You're not even reading the Bible, stupid.
00:53:46.000What you're reading is a version of the Bible that was translated first into Latin, then into Greek, The ancient Hebrew version of the Bible, they don't even know all the words.
00:53:56.000They only know a certain percentage of the words in ancient Hebrew.
00:54:00.000Like, they literally don't know what the words mean.
00:54:02.000And part of it's because letters were also numbers in ancient Hebrew.
00:54:05.000Like, the letter A is also the number one.
00:54:08.000So, like, there's a certain numerical value to words that we don't understand.
00:54:53.000These guys were tripping their balls off, and it totally makes sense.
00:54:55.000If you were a bunch of idiots that was living 7,000 years ago, or whatever the fuck they were, and you're living with your stupid leather shoes that got all sewn on you, and you got some goofy-ass hemp clothing on, You know, you're a dope.
00:55:55.000And that's an important thing for people to know.
00:55:58.000And that's, I think, where things have gone wrong.
00:56:03.000Because one cool thing about the people who wrote the Dead Sea Scrolls, whoever the fuck they were, is that they were courageous enough to try to express that experience as though it were a reality.
00:56:14.000And now, when people take a psychedelic, they mark it off as...
00:56:19.000Some kind of dream or an imaginary thing that happened to them that's not real.
00:56:24.000So they pretend that this alternate dimension that seems to exist and exactly on top of ours and is filled with hyperdimensional, super intelligent Beings that throughout time have been called aliens or angels or elves or dwarfs or whatever the fact that these people tried to articulate that.
00:56:46.000They tried to bring something back from that place here.
00:56:49.000And just the effect of bringing a close linguistic description of that place onto this planet Look at the fucking change it caused.
00:58:13.000Well, people don't want to accept that that's where that message comes from.
00:58:16.000There's a lot of people, when you connect something to the idea of it coming from a mushroom or any type of drug, ayahuasca, whatever, it inherently devalues the experience.
00:58:25.000I didn't listen to it, but apparently, Robin Quivers from The Howard Stern Show went to Peru.
00:58:31.000And I heard a lot of talk about it, but when I'm in my car, I never know what episode I'm listening to.
01:00:44.000How do you not know that those thoughts, those demons, just represent thoughts in your mind?
01:00:51.000And perhaps what that experience is entirely is you contacting your own thoughts and ideas and dreams and hopes and expression without the context of reality attached to them.
01:01:03.000So without the idea of, you know, what you did that you're embarrassed about that made you weird about your underwear when you were 13, you know, instead of that, maybe it manifests itself in almost a living thing.
01:01:19.000So when you're saying there are beings out there that are fucking with you, maybe those are things that you've let grow in your mind.
01:01:24.000Well, yeah, I mean, I think that that's the modern take on it, and I think that that's one useful handle to, like, grab a hold of an idea like that.
01:01:33.000Have you considered that when you were in there?
01:01:45.000Look, have you ever heard the possibility, I mean the discussion rather, of the idea that aliens will come through the mind and that they're not going to manifest themselves in a real form and that when you think of the imagination or when you think of dreams and what we have is some weird slippery sort of experience that we can't completely control.
01:02:05.000That dimension of dreams, that sleep dimension that you tap into when all your neurochemistry starts flowing between the blood-brain barrier while you're in heavy REM sleep.
01:02:13.000What if that is in fact another dimension?
01:02:15.000What if that is in fact a world and that is where aliens will contact you through?
01:02:19.000They will contact you through this spiritual dimension instead of a physical dimension.
01:02:24.000Well, if that's the case, and if you think about taking mushrooms and these elves show up, it is possible that negative things that you've created in your own life Shitty choices or bad energy that you've set forth and then nurtured and repressed and put it down and tried to deny it and all these different things that people do to sort of rationalize creepy things that they do in their lives.
01:02:46.000What if those things manifest themselves as living organisms in the free pool of your mind?
01:02:52.000Yeah, you know, that's actually, I think, fucking Carl Jung said that exact same thing that you just said.
01:07:18.000I probably shouldn't say what it's called.
01:07:20.000I think it's on the DL. But anyway, you go there and they have this big thing, the history of cannabis, 4,000 years old evidence of cannabis use in China and it goes like throughout human history, how long people have been using marijuana and they're selling bongs, they're selling like pipes and shit.
01:07:34.000And then you go into the back room and they have a comedy club.
01:09:22.000But the funny thing is, on the internet you can look it up, there's a National Geographic thing about these mummies, and there's a scientist being like, I don't like saying this, but...
01:09:43.000Why are people so reluctant to admit the positive effects that all these, or the effects, the need that people have for all these different intoxicants?
01:09:54.000Why is it so mainstream to dismiss it?
01:09:58.000Is that some Nancy Reagan shit that's still left over?
01:10:02.000I mean, God, isn't it like the people who came over here in the beginning were super religious, and they had all these ideas about sex and intoxication that were really super strict, and were their distant ancestors,
01:10:17.000and somehow that line of guilt still remains, where if people are like, I only drink after 5 p.m., I only smoke marijuana after 4.20, They said all these things because you're not supposed to be in an intoxicated state more than a little bit.
01:10:35.000And if you are, then you've got a drug problem.
01:12:00.000Those are the experiments that they've been doing where they give psilocybin to people who have late-stage cancer and it helps them overcome death-related anxiety because you take it You take synthetic psilocybin, which I would love to try, which is so much better than apparently regular.
01:12:19.000Actually, I think that you're supposed to say psilocybin, because it's easier to dose out.
01:12:25.000When you're eating mushrooms, it's not like each mushroom has an exact certain amount of psilocybin.
01:13:24.000They have people laid out on a bed and they have sitting on either side of them psychotherapists.
01:13:30.000So while you're going into the ecstasy experience or while you're going into the mushroom experience, you have these people who are there to talk to you.
01:13:38.000So that when you say, man, there's fucking super intelligent toddlers swimming through my body and mocking my thoughts, they could say, oh, let's talk about that.
01:14:00.000But have they had the experience themselves, or are they just sort of a neutered bystander?
01:14:06.000You know, I think if they have had the experience, I don't think that they're going to announce that, because it's such a strict fucking thing.
01:14:15.000And just the fact that they're letting them reopen tests since, I believe, October 6th, 1966, was when LSD was made completely federally illegal, and all testing on psychedelics was brought to a halt, bringing us into a kind of...
01:14:30.000Pharmacological dark age where nobody could fucking even experiment with the substances.
01:14:37.000Meanwhile, you could get strychnine and pull it out of a plant and no one's ever going to bat an eye.
01:14:41.000Meanwhile, you have people getting CAT scans and their fucking brain looks like the surface of the moon because they've been slurping back shitty club ecstasy and God knows what the fuck that is.
01:14:51.000They haven't been taking pure pharmaceutical grade chemicals, which is what you should only take that when you're taking a hallucinogen.
01:14:58.000Do you think that this idea of a trip, like when you take mushrooms, that you're entering into, accumulation of trips throughout human history, does that make sense to you?
01:15:07.000And if that does make sense, then is the psilocybin that's chemically produced or that's artificially produced, does that bring it to the same place?
01:15:19.000One tunes you in two different ways, maybe slightly different, but it's like you're still tuning into the same fucking station.
01:15:25.000And I... And also, you know, the different tests that they did, for example, the Good Friday experiment at Harvard where they gave psilocybin to people in the basement of a church and piped down the church music to see if it induced mystical states.
01:15:41.000And the modern stuff Johns Hopkins is doing with the same exact purpose to see if you can create mystical experience.
01:15:48.000The effects they're having, they had from that is like people...
01:15:51.000From the Johns Hopkins experience, reporting a year later that their lives are better, they're more connected with their family, that they feel like life is more worth living, their anxiety is decreased.
01:16:03.000There's really positive results from it.
01:16:06.000A lot of it's probably like, you know, when you're in your DNA, like, yeah, I have my grandfather's nose and stuff like that, like the history of your own DNA. So, like, maybe mushrooms lets you kind of tap the history of your DNA some way, like the memories of your ancestors.
01:16:20.000It's probably, yeah, it's probably information, you know?
01:16:22.000I mean, when you look at instincts, like a lot of instincts are set up just to protect you.
01:16:27.000You know, from shit that's happened to people in the past.
01:16:30.000And it's become, you know, a part of the human instinct, like, category, or catalog, rather, that you have in your mind.
01:17:02.000So that monster, that flash in a child's mind of big teeth and big scary beasts.
01:17:07.000That shit's ingrained in the memory, man.
01:17:09.000There's something in there from one monkey a billion years ago or whatever that saw another monkey get jacked by a cat, you know?
01:17:16.000Well, and also, that's why dogs are so excited when you come home.
01:17:19.000Because, like, back when people first started domesticating dogs, if you went out on a hunting trip, there's, like, a good chance you were just going to get killed.
01:17:28.000Like, coming home used to be a much bigger deal, you That's why your dog's like, you survived!
01:19:29.000Can I please be the obnoxious hippie and be the hippie's advocate there and say Hippies advocate.
01:19:40.000I think that, you know, the idea that people maybe have that you retain your personality when your body stops existing and you go into some kind of like new age paradise where you're flying around sipping honey out of the craters of heaven and after you're there for a certain amount of time you're like, you know what?
01:20:01.000I think I want to go back to Earth and reincarnate as a kid with Down Syndrome.
01:20:08.000I don't think that that really happens because I don't believe that so many people on the Earth who maybe are born with disabilities or in incredibly difficult situations, it's hard for me to imagine someone at a super-dimensional spa being like, yeah, you know, I want to...
01:20:27.000I think it's time for me to reincarnate as a blind person who can't walk and who, you know what I'm saying?
01:22:29.000You can't comprehend it because there's no way to comprehend it because it's nothing.
01:22:33.000And then they stop and they expect you to be like, oh my God, that's terrible.
01:22:38.000But if you look at what Socrates said, which you guys should read because it's fucking hilarious and awesome, when he made what's called his apology because they wanted to execute him and make him drink hemlock.
01:22:48.000In his response to their attempt to execute him, he said, okay, I tell you what, here's the deal.
01:23:10.000being in complete non-existence for infinity might be better than having to like sneak around and fuck 14 year olds because I'm getting too old to catch them I can't catch these 14 year old Olympian athletes
01:23:29.000And then the other thing he said to them is, if there is something after this, if I die, if you give me this stuff and there's some other thing and I continue to exist, then I'm going to keep doing what I was doing here.
01:23:42.000Which was going around and embarrassing everybody with his mode of inquisition that essentially makes you realize that you don't know anything.
01:23:49.000Well, have you ever heard the theory that every timeline, every life is repeated until you get it right?
01:23:56.000And that what we're dealing with, this one timeline of this earth that you are listening to this podcast right now, you are a part of an infinite number of timelines that are all interwoven.
01:24:09.000And that you go through this one, and then you come back until you get it right.
01:24:14.000And you keep doing it until you have no shitty thoughts, until you have...
01:24:19.000Nothing wrong, no personality defects, until you literally, ultimately achieve enlightenment.
01:24:28.000Well, I mean, you say it is, but the evidence states that the universe itself is fractal, okay?
01:24:34.000And the latest findings about Big Bang, or about black holes, rather, is that inside every black hole exists the possibility of another universe.
01:24:43.000That's the ultimate fractal, because we know that inside every galaxy is a black hole.
01:24:48.000And if inside every galaxy there's a supermassive black hole, it's exactly one half of one percent of the mass of the galaxy.
01:24:54.000And what the theory is, is that inside that black hole exists a whole other universe with hundreds of billions of galaxies, each with a black hole in the center of them, Each has hundreds of billions of galaxies inside of it, and it never ends.
01:25:08.000And it literally is the ultimate fractal.
01:25:10.000If that's the case, I don't think it's that preposterous that your silly little fucking life can be repeated over and over again.
01:25:16.000You know, oh, I'm going to be Bob the Postman until I die.
01:26:17.000If you can live this life over again, you're telling me that somehow or another, what kind of super order can have every car stop in the exact same spot, every red light be there when you get there, Rewind your DVD. Yeah.
01:26:30.000Okay, so life is just a movie, and everything that's ever been done in your life is predetermined completely.
01:26:36.000These are all thought experiments, by the way, and Nietzsche was using it more as a thought experiment.
01:26:42.000All I'm saying is that it just requires this giant leap to think that everything's got to fall into place exactly the same way.
01:26:48.000Well, it all goes back to the idea that you are...
01:26:50.000You are the only person that you can prove has self-awareness.
01:26:54.000You don't know that I have self-awareness.
01:26:56.000You don't know that Brian has self-awareness.
01:27:04.000You like to think that we all have self-awareness.
01:27:07.000You like to think that we're not projections of you, but it's possible That you're the universe in the very first phase of it's waking up and it's having this nervous breakdown where it projects this bizarre reality where you're like hosting a podcast and you host the UFC and you used to host Fear Factor.
01:27:27.000I mean, doesn't it all seem kind of absurd, like a ridiculous weird dream?
01:27:33.000If everyone can individually do that same thing to them and look at your life and really think of all the coincidences And synchronicities that have happened in your life and all the bizarre events that maybe even just happened to you today.
01:27:46.000You really think that that's all an accident?
01:27:49.000You really think that this whole thing hasn't been planned out just for you?
01:30:05.000He's like a fetus that grew out of control.
01:30:07.000He turned into a human and just started killing fetuses.
01:30:11.000Do you ever toy with the idea that, you know, I mean, you said that everything, you know, there's this possibility that everything exists by plan and that the same life will repeat itself over and over and over again.
01:30:22.000Do you ever toy with the idea of the human being as the caterpillar that will become the butterfly?
01:30:43.000And of course, we can't know what it is.
01:30:45.000But just from looking at the weather, you know it's going to rain.
01:30:49.000And you can look at what's happening now.
01:30:51.000And every time I sit down in front of my fucking iMac and basking in the glow of World of Warcraft as I eat edible marijuana, I consider to myself, It's only going to be about 20 more years that you're outside the machine.
01:31:08.000They are neurologically going to figure out how to put you into this place where you can experience weightlessness, where the weight of the body is lifted, and you can live in a virtual paradise for the last part of your life.
01:31:21.000That's something we all have to look forward to, is making the decision.
01:31:24.000I mean, depending on how old you are right now or how healthy you are, you will eventually have to make the decision.
01:31:30.000Between spending most of your time in this world, or spending most of your time in a virtual universe, a virtual paradise that is indistinguishable, or probably only the distinguishment is that it's a million times better than here.
01:31:44.000And then somebody will hack it, because it's made by Sony, and get inside your head, and...
01:32:44.000It's weird to know that there's these weird little electronic parasites that click, click, click, they get the number, and then they make a new card, and they're just sucking numbers out of the system.
01:33:02.000They injected into the HTML of my index page, any place there was HTML, some kind of fucking iframe that took people to a website in Russia or something.
01:33:13.000So when you went to my website, a Google alert would pop up and say, this site is known for hosting malware.
01:36:17.000And the CIA joined forces and they figured out how to neurologically replicate that sort of endorphin rush in a kind of ever-accelerating pace.
01:36:29.000So the game, the higher level you get, the more the game begins to complexify and the terrain that you are used to that you already thought was cool all of a sudden becomes a million times cooler and then a million times cooler and then a million times cooler so that you get hooked.
01:36:47.000It's like a Pavlovian fucking response.
01:36:49.000You also have an online girlfriend, don't you?
01:39:16.000That is a hilarious narrative that Alex Jones is talking about, because the implication is that there's somewhere in the CIA where there's like a frozen Bin Laden ice cube, and they're just waiting to melt him.
01:39:39.000It was that guy, that crazy hitman for the mob called the Iceman, the Iceman Chronicles on HBO, which if you haven't seen it, they are fucking terrifying to know that this guy existed.
01:40:27.000He killed people over just, a guy would step on his toe, he would kill him, he would shoot arsenic in his drink, and the guy would never know what hit him.
01:42:38.000Look, they said SEAL Team 6 killed him, and if that is the case, those guys aren't going to keep their mouths shut.
01:42:44.000They're not going to pretend that they killed somebody and not.
01:42:47.000I mean, I don't think they would take...
01:42:48.000I mean, when you're dealing with SEALs, there's a code that those guys live by, and I don't necessarily think they would pretend that they killed somebody like that.
01:43:13.000All the nutty shit that he did like...
01:43:15.000All throughout the years as a head of one of those SEAL Team 6 units where they all would have long hair and tattoos and they would look weird.
01:43:25.000It was like a fucking goddamn Sylvester Stallone movie.
01:43:27.000It's like The Expendables, but it was real.
01:43:34.000I mean, if you watch those, you ever watch any of those Discovery Channel specials on how they recruit people and what you have to go through Hell Week and you have to go through where you're trying not to be a Navy SEAL? Dude, the people that get through that are some extraordinary fuckers.
01:43:52.000Those are people who would do some crazy shit.
01:43:54.000There's a lot of people out there that love and live for the idea of getting a fucking flat out straight license to be a bad motherfucker killing machine.
01:44:04.000And if you want to, if you're good enough at killing people and you're willing to pledge your loyalty to the United States government...
01:46:27.000You don't believe our great president, Obama, was sitting in a situation room and being shown the plans to descend on this base and attack Osama Bin Laden.
01:46:37.000You don't believe that that was happening?
01:46:39.000Looks good, SEAL Team 6. I'm going to declare code red on Osama Bin Laden.
01:46:48.000We must wait to do this until after the royal wedding.
01:46:52.000I say they cast Nicholas Cage as the hardened veteran who doesn't give a fuck, and he goes over there because if you're going to do a job right, you've got to do it yourself.
01:48:25.000Yeah, Gutenberg, there's a famous scene of him outside of Phil Hartman's house after the shooting, after his wife killed him and then killed herself.
01:48:36.000Steve Gutenberg showed up for the photo op With a suit and tie on and started doing interviews with the press.
01:49:23.000Yeah, well, you know, it's that wannabe famous thing, man.
01:49:27.000You know, and when it goes away, there's nothing weirder than someone who used to be famous and isn't anymore and really desperately wants to be again.
01:52:10.000Yeah, but apparently it's based on a comic book, which now I want to read from watching it.
01:52:16.000But it's like, what's so cool about it, man, is in other zombie movies, they never explore the emotional impact that being in a zombie apocalypse would take on you.
01:52:26.000And the directing of the acting, he's really good at directing people how to act when they're in shock, which is what you'd pretty much be in if you were dealing with that kind of event happening.
01:52:38.000Why is that such a prevalent theme, the zombie theme?
01:52:51.000It's got to be some kind of subconscious cultural projection of our realization that we're all kind of wandering through life like zombies, you know?
01:53:01.000The way people are acting is kind of this bizarre, like, they're just thinking about eating.
01:53:05.000I mean, not brains, but all they're thinking about is like, I don't Do you really think that's what it is?
01:53:10.000Because the fear is not just to be a zombie.
01:53:12.000The fear is to get the zombie to eat you.
01:53:15.000I think the real fear is people afraid of cannibalism and people breaking down and becoming monsters.
01:53:23.000Well, I mean, yeah, I think, I guess I'm going a little, like, too, I just smoked Joe Rogan's weed deep, but I think that, yeah, I mean, fuck, that is a scary idea, is, like, seeing, like, yeah, what's worse than being chomped on by humans?
01:53:38.000That moment when they rip you apart and put their intestines around their neck?
01:56:57.000I heard about some people that were in their section I couldn't have possibly known because the joke was killing and there was thousands and thousands of people.
01:59:15.000That is the problem with talking about, like, really heady, trippy shit, is you get a certain percentage of people, like my friend who thought he was Carl Jung, who have to come up to you now to talk to you about things, and take what you do very, very seriously.
01:59:28.000It's like, you know, the vast majority of the hardcore Bill Hicks fans are amongst that stuff.
01:59:57.000This thing where you're trying to hurt me by saying you're taking your...
02:00:04.000It's a child's attitude is what it is.
02:00:07.000Instead of, you know, having some sort of a discussion or a debate, I am more than willing to look at someone, you know, they say, you know, send me something that says, Hey, you know, I think you guys are like a little insensitive.
02:00:18.000I love the podcast, but here's where I think you're wrong.
02:00:21.000Or like on Twitter, someone said that about Top Gear.
02:00:24.000I was making fun of all these people for criticizing Top Gear about their comments about Mexico until I heard the separate group of comments that everyone was upset about.
02:00:33.000I had read some shit that wasn't very offensive at all and to me was a joke.
02:00:37.000But then I read and watched the video of the real stuff, and I was like, oh, okay.
02:00:42.000You know, I'm more than willing to be set hit.
02:00:44.000But the guy who did it was very polite and very cool about it.
02:00:47.000He didn't, you know, oh, I guess you're just a jackass and a fucking loser.
02:01:30.000It's not what you did that's so terrible.
02:01:32.000If someone agrees with you or disagrees with you, it's just a thought and an idea, an opposing thought and an idea to be considered and either accepted or rejected.
02:02:39.000What is going on here, Photoshop-wise?
02:02:42.000It's so important to have this sort of a back-and-forth exchange with people online.
02:02:48.000It's not just throwing something out at them.
02:02:50.000The reason why this podcast really works, honestly, is that it's like people are tuning in to a cool conversation amongst friends, and sometimes they contribute.
02:03:23.000Someone sent me something from doing this podcast, which is a type of music that I'd never listened to called Dubstep in a band called Excision.