In this episode, I talk to Dr. Joe Anderson about his Carnivore Diet and how it has changed his life and the way he lives his life. Joe and his wife have been eating meat and eggs for over 20 years and have maintained a healthy lifestyle. Joe is a doctor and has been on a carnivore diet for the past 10 years and has maintained a good amount of weight and is in good health. I talk about his journey and how he has been able to maintain a good body weight and keep it off for a long period of time. I also talk about how he and his family have been doing this for as long as they have and how they have maintained good health and good long term results. I hope you enjoy this episode and share it with a friend or family member who needs a little meat in their life. I know I did! Thanks for listening and Happy New Year! Cheers! -Jon & Sean Check out the Carnivorous Diet Podcast! Subscribe, Rate, and Share the link to our FB page! If you like what you hear, please HIT SUBSCRIBE and leave us a review on Apple Podcasts! and tell a friend about what you think of our podcast! We'll be listening to your thoughts on the show! Timestamps: 5:00 - What's your favorite meat and egg diet? 6:30 - How much meat you're eating? 7:15 - What does it taste like? 8:00 9:40 - What is your favorite meal? 11:00 What kind of meat? 14:00 How do you like it? 15: What do you think it tastes better? 16: What are you looking forward to eat? 17:20 - Is it better than a steak and eggs? 18:00 Is it healthy? 19:00 Does it taste good? 21:00 Do you need to eat it more than that? 22:00 Can you eat more? 25:00 More? 26: What is a steak & eggs and carbs? 27:00 Should you eat enough? 29: Does it matter? 32:40 33:30 35: What s your favorite piece of meat and other? 36:00 Some other meat and some other stuff? 35:00 Would you like to see me eat more meat and/or something like that? 40:00 Comments?
00:00:42.000If you would have asked me two years ago, I would have said, that's fucking crazy.
00:00:47.000I mean, that's what I would have said.
00:00:49.000You know, if you would have asked me even five years ago, I'd say, yeah, diet doesn't really matter that much, just train your ass off.
00:00:54.000Because I had been an athlete just training my whole life.
00:00:57.000And, you know, I didn't really until I got in my mid-40s and all of a sudden I was like, crap, training ain't working.
00:01:02.000I'm getting fat, I'm getting, you know, high blood pressure, you know, probably pre-diabetic.
00:01:07.000And then, you know, then I went down this...
00:01:08.000You know, this dietary journey where I went from, you know, doing the low-fat, low-calorie fish and vegetables, almost vegetarian, training three times a day just about, trying to get lean.
00:01:21.000And then I went down to, you know, then I was like, man, this sucks.
00:01:29.000I was like, man, bacon looks pretty good.
00:01:31.000And then I went, and I started reading some more, and then I went on to, you know, low-carb, high-fat, and then I did ketogenic for about two, three years, because I think you do stuff like that, too.
00:01:41.000And then I just started reading about these people that do this carnivore diet, and then I went and started reading.
00:04:11.000Remember that day, the day I did, I was like, I'm going to eat some apples, a little almond butter, you know, I had some berries and cream, you know, stuff you'd normally eat as a treat, and I just didn't feel as good, you know, like my back started hurting a little bit, and I was like, well, maybe that's where someone, so then I went and said, well, I'm just going to go back to eating meat again.
00:04:26.000Wait, your back started hurting from eating apples?
00:04:29.000Well, I mean, it was just like, you know, this is one of the things that I've seen, and we can talk about this, you know, in detail, but I've seen a lot of people, what they'll say is, you know, and this is what I saw, you know, when I was working as a surgeon, When I put people on a ketogenic diet, their joint pain was starting to go away.
00:05:01.000That's what I can tell you for sure, from what I know.
00:05:04.000You know, whether it's, you know, sugar, whether it's, you know, processed gluten or wheat or stuff like that, whether it's vegetable oil, whether it's, you know, or even some vegetables potentially.
00:05:34.000And so some of those observations, you know, while they're valid, they're hard to do now, you know.
00:05:38.000But so when you go in these groups and you just, all you can do is just like reading this like a scientist going, okay, this guy went on this diet and his joint went away.
00:05:47.000This guy went on this diet and his thyroid disease went away.
00:05:49.000This guy went on this diet and his skin got, you know, psoriasis went away.
00:05:53.000I kept seeing this over and over and over and over again.
00:06:18.000I mean, it's just sad to see all these people that are...
00:06:21.000You know really really getting sick and so I think you know there's a guy named Vinnie Tortorich who has this no sugar no grain I think that will that will successfully help a huge percentage of people you know but I think you have to be objective about it you have to do it long enough for it to have an effect and you know I think you have to You know be really be really clinical about it and so one of the big problems I see as a physician and this is a big problem because people will go on low carb diets or ketogenic diets and they'll say I feel the best I've ever felt in my life.
00:07:00.000Everything you would say is, that means you're getting healthy.
00:07:03.000And they'll go to their doctor, and they'll get some blood drawn, and their cholesterol will be high.
00:07:07.000And their doctor will say, well, you're going to kill yourself.
00:07:09.000You're going to have a heart attack, right?
00:07:11.000So people get scared away from that, and they go back to eating their other stuff, and then they feel crappy again.
00:07:14.000But they're like, well, at least my cholesterol is not bad.
00:07:16.000So one of the big problems and I've kind of sort of basically preaching this stuff is I think and this is a problem with health care in general is we have so gotten away from just defining what's healthy you know if somebody comes into your office and you say you know you talk to him for two three minutes because health care is just you got ten minutes to see a patient make a decision so what you're gonna do is like how you doing order a bunch of labs you look at the results of the labs and say Okay,
00:07:42.000this lab's low, this lab's high, this lab's normal.
00:08:18.000I mean, I mean, that's just the way you should be.
00:08:19.000But I mean, I was aware of what's not in meat.
00:08:23.000You know, if you look at the RDA, you know, if you look at the RDA and it says meat is low in vitamin C, it's low in manganese, it's low in, you know, potassium, it's low in, you know, vitamin A, vitamin E. There's a whole bunch of things that's low in, you know, on paper, right?
00:08:37.000So I was like, well, I can't rectify why these people are doing so well.
00:09:04.000But what people would say, they would justify, say, yeah, but they ate a lot of their organs, and I got some vitamin C from their liver, and, you know, some of the whale skin had some...
00:09:13.000And so they would just try to justify that and try to make, this is how it worked.
00:09:58.000And what they did was they take populations of people that are consuming a normal diet.
00:10:02.000Like, you know, back in the 1940s, you know, people would eat a mixture of everything that was fairly high in carbohydrate, not as high as it is now, by the way.
00:10:09.000But it was a mixed diet, and so what they see is, you know, if you eat that diet and you're deficient in this nutrient, if you don't get X amount of this nutrient, you're going to develop some sort of nutrient deficiency syndrome.
00:10:20.000So they said, okay, well, we know that This level of nutrient deficiency causes disease, so therefore we're going to recommend this, you know, everybody gets this amount, right?
00:10:29.000So what they knew, what they found out back, even in 1897, there was a study where they were looking at animals, and they looked at something called thiamine.
00:10:36.000You know, they didn't even know it was thiamine back then, but they saw that certain animals, if they were on a lower-carb diet, they didn't get this disease, where animals on a high carbohydrate did get this disease, and that disease was called beriberi, and so that's a thiamine deficiency which causes neurologic problems or Congestive heart failure type problems.
00:10:54.000And so they were noticing that these animals are on a low carb diet, even though their thiamine levels were really, really low, they weren't getting diseases.
00:11:01.000So if you look at that and you look at all these other nutrients, you know, things like manganese, you know, manganese is We're highly required for carbohydrate metabolism.
00:11:12.000And so if you're on a diet where you're not taking any carbohydrate, all of a sudden you've got to say, maybe I don't eat as much manganese, despite what the RDA says.
00:11:19.000And you can look at that for nutrient after nutrient.
00:11:22.000Glucose and vitamin C is a huge one, right?
00:11:25.000So vitamin C, if you don't take vitamin C and you get...
00:12:06.000I think what's happening, and this is one of the things I think potentially, and this needs to be investigated, but I think that a lot of people that we have all these vitamin deficiencies, vitamin D deficiency, magnesium deficiency, a lot of that may be caused by just ingesting too much carbohydrate and creating a higher-than-normal need.
00:12:24.000So basically, we're creating higher needs for vitamins.
00:12:27.000Now, do you do blood work on yourself?
00:12:59.000You know, if you can tell me what blood test tells me I'm healthy, and I don't think you can't.
00:13:02.000Well, I think if you get a really good doctor who understands the difference between HDL cholesterol and LDL cholesterol and free testosterone available and all the different nutrients that are essential, and if you get someone who really understands that and can have a comprehensive Examination of your blood work.
00:13:19.000I think you can benefit from it greatly, but also the knowledge that you can tell them, like, how do you feel?
00:13:32.000Yeah, so that's an interesting point because, you know, we've started this, you know, and again, I started doing this and got public on it on Twitter, and a lot of people were saying, well, yeah, you're...
00:15:56.000A minute to a minute thirty and that's that's intense you know like you're going all out right and so I was able to break the 50 plus world record in that and it was when I went on when it was When I got to 50 it was one minute 18.3 seconds and so I put it down all the way down to 114 so I took four seconds off the world record without a single gram of carbohydrate totally This is one of the issues with the ketogenic diet.
00:16:23.000If you eat too much protein, your body converts that protein back to glucose.
00:16:27.000That's one of the things that they were saying, that you're supposed to have somewhere in the neighborhood of 70% fats, 30% proteins.
00:16:50.000So if you get a lot of protein, it doesn't just say, I'm just going to make a bunch of blood sugar for the heck of it, because your body doesn't need it.
00:17:02.000So the nice thing about it is if you regulate it really, really well, and the best way to regulate it really, really well is just to make your own.
00:17:09.000So rather than getting it from kombucha or eating a bunch of carbs, where it's going to be all over the place.
00:17:18.000So ketosis, again, I probably spend...
00:17:23.000You know, significant periods of time in ketosis, but I'm not always in ketosis and that's not the point of this, you know, but I think ketosis is probably a good thing, you know, periodically, but I don't, you know, like I said, I don't think You know, we can talk about evolutionary stuff.
00:17:36.000Excuse me for interrupting you, but why would it vary if your diet's not varying?
00:17:40.000Why would you be in ketosis or out of ketosis if you're not varying your diet, if you're just eating only meat?
00:19:18.000But we don't want it always, always, always spiking.
00:19:20.000And so, you know, when you eat a big meal of something you're supposed to be eating, and I'll argue that I think meat's a pretty damn good meal.
00:19:26.000And we can talk about how it's complete or not.
00:19:29.000So when you do that, you know, you're just like, the next time you're hungry, it's time to eat.
00:19:34.000Your body says, I need energy, so I can get it from fat when you eat meat.
00:19:49.000That's very interesting because most people would say you should eat a balanced diet, right?
00:19:55.000Most people would say that in order to be healthy you should consume a certain amount of fruits, a certain amount of vegetables, You should have some whole grains.
00:21:08.000One of the things is, you know, I'll tell you what a problem, because I've seen hundreds and hundreds of people who've already done blood work, so I know what it's going to show, basically.
00:21:14.000You know, so I've gotten, we've got this study going, we've got all these people submitting blood work.
00:21:18.000But the, you know, probably my HDL will go up, my triglycerides will go down, my blood sugar will stabilize to a low level, my inflammatory markers will be normal.
00:21:30.000That's because I've seen lots and lots of other people's blood work already, so I know what it's going to show.
00:21:33.000My cholesterol may be up or down, and that's something that we get a lot of people worried about.
00:21:40.000Cholesterol, in my view, is a pretty worthless marker by itself.
00:22:22.000And what he finds out is that his blood cholesterol is all over the place.
00:22:27.000One day it's 300, the next day it's 200. One day it's 350, the next day it's...
00:22:31.000So when we go to the doctor every six months or a year and they get a blood cholesterol, you assume, well, that's my cholesterol, and it's always that way.
00:22:38.000Well, he found out that it's so variable.
00:22:40.000They've actually known about this since the 1950s, but no one has been talking about it.
00:22:44.000So what he figured out, and he's a systems engineer, and these engineers are some smart guys.
00:22:48.000I mean, that's one thing I kind of talk about.
00:22:50.000It's just because somebody's an MD or PhD doesn't mean they know everything.
00:22:54.000There's a lot of people that are plumbers and whatever.
00:22:57.000They don't have any formal training that can figure, they're smart people, and they can figure this stuff out.
00:23:01.000So he's an engineer, a real smart guy.
00:23:03.000And so what he does is he figures out that cholesterol Is basically, all it is, is it's traveling around in your blood based on energy flux.
00:23:12.000So if you've eaten a lot, so if you've eaten a whole bunch of food and you're full, your liver is saying, I don't need to put out a bunch of fat because we burn fat as fuel, even if we're not in a ketogenic diet.
00:23:25.000So when you're hungry and you haven't eaten it for a while, like you fasted for a blood test, Your liver says, we need fat in the system because we're low on energy.
00:23:48.000I mean, you can find studies that show for all-cause mortality, like if you're like you and me, because you're the same age as I am, I think you're right.
00:23:56.000Yeah, we're both 50. So if we look at, you know, and again, associational studies are not that great, but if you look at that and you say all-cause mortality, am I going to die or not?
00:24:05.000If your cholesterol is high, you're less likely to die.
00:24:08.000If your cholesterol is high, you're less likely to get Parkinson's disease.
00:24:11.000If your cholesterol is high, you're less likely to get a bunch of cancers.
00:24:16.000So you're saying that, though, but most people hear this and they go, but, but, but, but, but, if your cholesterol is high, you're going to get a heart attack.
00:24:21.000Yeah, here's the deal with heart attacks.
00:24:23.000This is interesting because, you know, vegetarians and vegans, I don't mean to pick on vegetarians and vegans because, you know, I know some great ones are great people and I think, you know, there shouldn't be a war between this, but...
00:24:32.000Vegetarians and vegans, the number one killer of vegetarian and vegan is heart disease.
00:24:45.000Well, most people don't understand that the sugar industry's Hijacking of science in the 1950s, the way they paid off those scientists to literally false advertise the idea that sugar is safe for you, but that saturated fat and cholesterol is what's causing all these issues with people and heart attacks.
00:25:04.000To this day, people just sort of repeat that.
00:25:20.000Well, like I said, it was just reading about people online.
00:25:24.000You know, there's a, you know, if there's a, I'll tell you what, if there's a guy named Joe Anderson on Twitter, his handle is JoeCharlene98, 8898 or 9888. So this guy, you know, it's just a guy, he's been doing it for 20 years.
00:28:13.000You know, I put, like I said, on that Instagram page, I've got, you know, meat exercising, doing stuff, and, you know, pictures.
00:28:19.000That was something that you talked about outside the studio right before we came in, that the studies that have been done on people consuming meat, and I brought this up as well, that There's a lot of misconceptions about these studies because they're not very clear.
00:28:33.000When they say that people who eat meat five times a week are more likely to get cancer, what they're not telling you is what these people ate along with the meat.
00:29:05.000All you're saying is they're eating meat five days a week.
00:29:09.000It's not specifying in any way their actual overall diet.
00:29:13.000Yeah, they don't sort that very well out, so they've got all these epidemiology studies.
00:29:21.000Statistically, we know they're more likely to smoke, they're more likely to drink, they're more likely not to wear their seatbelt, they're more likely to be in accidents, they're more likely not to go to their doctor, they're more likely just not to care.
00:29:32.000Because if I tell you, as I say, Joe, eating meat's bad for you, and you say, F you, I don't care, I don't care about my health, so you just don't care.
00:29:44.000All these studies where they try to separate it out and say, well, we'll kind of even up the smokers, but they never can take that I don't give a, you know, I don't give a fuck thing out of it.
00:29:53.000And so you've got this stuff and then all the studies are really, really low strength.
00:29:57.000So if we look at, you know, and we can talk about this, about meat being causing cancer, because there's some concern about that with colon cancer.
00:30:05.000But if we look at smoking, you know, when they determined that smoking caused cancer, the epidemiology showed a 2,000% increase In the incidence of cancer in a lot of studies.
00:30:15.000When they compare that to meat in cancer, they found an 18% increase, which is nothing.
00:30:21.000I mean, it's like it doesn't even matter.
00:31:37.000That's only putting it up by a fraction.
00:31:40.000So when you, when you separate all that stuff out and then, you know, there was a, you know, the World Health Organization two years ago, last year, two years ago, declared that red meat was a class two carcinogen and processed meat was a class one carcinogen.
00:31:54.000You know, they said it's like plutonium and smoking and, you know, everybody runs, runs all over the place with that.
00:32:13.000And they are, you know, that's what the World Health Organization uses to determine their stuff and so they're written and this is you know besides the point right now the IRC is under under investigation by US Congress for using crappy science and you know promoting political agenda so I don't know if that's true or not part of that's generated by probably be corporations who don't like their findings but so they're under investigation for that but what they say is we have some weak epidemiology which is this 18 percent stuff but we think we have some strong mechanistic reasons
00:32:43.000for this right So if everybody, you know, there's a doctor named George Ede, E-D-E, who's a psychiatrist out in Maryland who's got this just tremendous, she analyzed the whole thing.
00:32:54.000She has a website called diagnosisdiet.com.
00:32:57.000So she did an analysis of all the 800 studies they used, and she found that what they ended up doing is most of them showed that meat didn't cause cancer.
00:33:06.000There was a small percentage that did, and they looked at all these rat studies, and there was about 20 20-25 rat studies, and they found like three or four of them showed that meat, you know, if we gave this type of cancer, if we gave this rat a certain, you know, amount of meat, and we genetically bred them,
00:33:22.000and we gave them a medicine that makes them get cancer, that they get a little bit of change in their colon that might turn into cancer.
00:33:58.000And the other thing, and we talked about this before, is that if you want to look at rat studies, and it's not to say that plants give you cancer, but there are...
00:34:06.000Pesticides and plants that have been studied in rats that we eat every day, natural foods and vegetables and fruits that also give rats cancer.
00:34:13.000And so the only difference is we've got, you know, some really...
00:34:16.000By pesticides, you mean things that natural compounds that plants extract or that plants secrete in order to discourage predation?
00:34:37.000So it's not to scare people out of eating that stuff.
00:34:39.000But it's just saying that's how much BS this stuff is based upon.
00:34:42.000But it just seems to me to be so crazy that they're doing a cancer study and they give the rats something that induces cancer in order to find out what gives them cancer more.
00:34:50.000So they give them this compound and then on top of the compound then they check their diet.
00:34:55.000And they also feed them sugar with it.
00:34:58.000So it's kind of like It's just the way they do it, you know?
00:35:01.000And so, you know, you can extrapolate, does that really matter to humans or not?
00:35:32.000When you think about diet and health, you also have to take into account the geography that your ancestors evolved in and what were they accustomed to eating.
00:35:44.000There's different adaptations for the Inuit, for example.
00:36:02.000I tend to say that, you know, in certain circumstances, that makes sense.
00:36:06.000But I think, you know, evolutionary, you know, we sort of split from primates, you know, we shared a common ancestor with, you know, primates, chimpanzees, bonobos, gorillas.
00:36:20.000And so what happens is, you know, the human, the pre-humans kind of went one way, and then the apes and chimpanzees went up this way and went up into the trees.
00:36:29.000And if you look at, you know, even the difference between a chimp and an ape, you know, an ape, not an ape, a gorilla, a gorilla crushes all these, you know, these all really fibrous food, lots of fiber and stuff like that.
00:36:42.000Chimpanzees can't tolerate that as well because their colon got a little smaller.
00:36:47.000Well, a human's colon's got way, way smaller, right?
00:36:50.000And so what happened is why you and I can throw a rock really far, you know, and a chimpanzee, you know, a chimpanzee can throw, you know, if you give a chimpanzee a baseball, they can throw it about 20 miles an hour.
00:38:06.000You see how organized they are to kill monkeys?
00:38:08.000They have chimps at one end of this tree line, and they're coming this way, and they have chimps on the side, and they chase them in, and they corner them, they ambush them, they get them in the center.
00:38:21.000Their brain is not even half as big as ours.
00:38:23.000I mean, so when humans sort of, and I think it's pretty clear that what drove a lot of our evolution, our ability to communicate, to strategize, you know, some of the anatomic things was based around hunting.
00:38:33.000I mean, hunting, I know you're a big hunter, Joe, and I know it's not an easy thing to do.
00:38:38.000You've got to be pretty smart to outsmart these animals, especially When you're in big groups, and back then when they've got, you know, I got a spears basically, you know, you look at, there's a population in Central Europe called the Gravetians, right?
00:38:51.000So if you look at population markers for nutrition, right?
00:38:57.000One of the things I look at is population height.
00:38:59.000So if there's a real tall population, it means that they had really good nutrition.
00:39:04.000And so if you look at the tallest people that probably ever lived were these Gravetians.
00:39:08.000These guys were just decimating mammoths.
00:39:11.000I mean, they were so efficient at killing mammoths.
00:39:13.000And so that's probably basically all they ate, you know, for the most part.
00:39:16.000They might have a little bit of vegetables, but their average height was like 6'2", and this was like 30,000 years ago.
00:39:24.000And so the people that have sort of genetically are related to those people now are the people from Croatia and the Netherlands, which are, again, the tallest people in the world.
00:39:31.000The only other group that rivaled that Are the Milotic Africans, which are like the Watusi and the Maasai, which are all about six feet tall on average.
00:39:40.000And their diet is primarily, as we know, livestock-based.
00:39:43.000And then the other tall population historically were the Plains Indians, particularly the Cheyenne Indians.
00:39:48.000And they just lived on mostly buffalo.
00:41:05.000A lot of people that don't have the budget, they'll just do ground beef and stuff like that.
00:41:11.000You can eat two pounds of ground beef for under ten bucks a day, which is two cups of Starbucks, something like that.
00:41:17.000It's actually not that bad for a lot of people.
00:41:20.000Now, there's also people that have ethical concerns about the consumption of animals, especially the consumption of factory-farmed animals on a mass basis.
00:41:29.000I mean, you're probably responsible for a whole goddamn field of dead cows.
00:41:35.000I think people that eat meat should be concerned about it, and we're the ones that primarily need to make sure that's not happening.
00:41:41.000And so, I think, you know, as you know, I would argue that, you know, Since evolution began, humans have been eating meat, and that's just what happens in nature.
00:41:50.000You know, if you look at how an animal is killed in a wild, if a lion takes down a zebra, it's not a pleasant experience for that animal.
00:41:57.000And so most of the way that humans kill these animals now, you know, from a humane sense, is pretty darn humane.
00:42:03.000I mean, even as a hunter, you know, if you hit an animal and you don't hit them in the right spot, You've got to track him down.
00:42:31.000One of the reasons they put chicken in a cage is because they'll peck the hell out of each other.
00:42:34.000You know, if they don't separate, they'll just tear each other up.
00:42:37.000So that, you know, there's different considerations on that.
00:42:39.000You know, if you have an animal that you're, you know, because I talk to a lot of cattle ranchers, and most of them, I mean most of them, they really care about their animals.
00:42:48.000Making sure their animals are fed, making sure they're sheltered.
00:42:50.000You know, if an animal goes down, they're taking care of that.
00:42:52.000So, you know, there's probably some bad apples out there, and if we know about that stuff and some vegan documentary guy wants to make a film about that, then yeah, those guys should be saying, hey, don't mistreat your animals.
00:44:26.000I'm sure there's, like I said, farmers markets are great too.
00:44:29.000You can actually meet the ranchers and get a sense of how they raise these animals.
00:44:34.000But I think for health-wise, it's really critical to get grass-fed, grass-raised to get the best.
00:44:40.000Do you pay attention to that or do you just take whatever you can get?
00:44:44.000Yeah, so I think you're right in the fact that if you say what is the most nutrient-dense, what is the Best quality I can get.
00:44:53.000Grass-fed, grass-finished is going to fill that bill.
00:44:56.000Now, if you compare that to something that was, you know, fed corn, right?
00:44:59.000And given hormones, and given antibiotics, and what else do they do?
00:45:04.000Yeah, so, you know, you've got those things, and it's fed, you know, grain.
00:45:08.000The difference nutritionally compared to, you know, because if you don't have any money and you can't afford this stuff, compared to the rest of the crap in the supermarket is, you know, so I'll use a MMA analogy for you.
00:45:20.000So if grass-fed grain-fed beef is, you know, Conor McGregor or GSP, right, then this other stuff is, say, some guy who's like the number three contender or something like that.
00:45:48.000And so what they do is they give those animals generally the same hormones.
00:45:53.000And it increases the percentage a little bit more compared to what you and I make normally.
00:45:58.000If we look at like nanograms, maybe, I can't remember the numbers exactly, but the scale is what's important.
00:46:04.000So if they give you, if grass-fed beef gives you five nanograms of estrogen, grain-fed beef gives you 10 nanograms of estrogen, and then you compare it to eggs, which give you maybe 90, and you compare it to dairy, which gives you 110,
00:46:21.000and then you compare it to, if you look at phytoestrogens, You know, that's in the millions, right?
00:46:28.000So things like soybeans and stuff like that.
00:46:30.000And then you compare it to what does your body naturally make, and that's like 30 or 40,000.
00:46:37.000So I think if you can afford grass-fed and grain-fed, you know, I'm not saying how can you solve the world's problem, but I think if we just isolate for health only, say you're a poor guy and all you can afford is, you know, I can't afford this grass-fed meat.
00:46:50.000I can't afford 20 bucks a pound for this stuff, right?
00:46:53.000And ButcherBox is still too expensive for me.
00:46:55.000Then that's probably still a better option than going back and eating, you know, the other crap, the Cheetos and the, you know, all this other stuff.
00:47:05.000And even though, you know, like the organic fruits and stuff like that, you know, it's just expensive for people.
00:47:09.000So, I mean, I think it's, you know, like I said, it depends on who your audience is.
00:47:12.000You know, if you've got unlimited resources, and most people don't, then you have to say, well, what's, you know, what's...
00:47:18.000From a health standpoint, what is most affordable and what's practical?
00:48:23.000The most efficient way to do that is just to eat some because your body has, it has, it has everything in the proportions that we need it, right?
00:48:31.000And it's, you know, it's a misconception, you know, when you hear, A lot of people will say, you know, if you eat a bunch of meat, it's gonna sit there and rot in your intestines, and it's gonna putrefy, and stuff like that.
00:48:41.000So, they've done studies on people that have had ileostomies, and these are people that have had their colon removed, right?
00:48:46.000So you've had colon cancer, or, you know, inflammatory bowel disease, like Crohn's disease, where they take out your whole colon, and now you've got a little bag, which you poop into, this little bag, right?
00:48:56.000So they've looked at people, and they've looked at what comes out when they eat meat, Almost nothing comes out.
00:49:01.000There's a little bit of liquid, right?
00:49:03.000So that means all that meat is being absorbed.
00:49:06.000But when you eat a bunch of fiber and vegetables and plants, all that stuff goes up in the bag because you can't digest it.
00:49:11.000You have to have bacteria in your colon to do that.
00:49:14.000And humans are not really good at it compared to other primates.
00:49:37.000We don't even know everything about the human body.
00:49:40.000And then to put in tens of billions of different bacteria, all different species, and say, This is the perfect combination or that's perfect.
00:49:47.000We're so far away from knowing that we're in the very infancy of what that means.
00:49:51.000So what I would say is if you're healthy, you know, if your joints don't hurt, if everything's going good, then probably by definition your microbiome is fine.
00:50:00.000If you're eating just a meat-based diet, your microbiome is going to be different, and the probiotics are probably not going to make a difference for you.
00:50:05.000But if you're eating, again, if you're eating a crappy diet, You know, and you're feeding your gut a bunch of sugar.
00:50:10.000You're going to get this dysbiosis, which is bad bacteria.
00:50:16.000And then, you know, maybe the probiotics might help in that situation.
00:50:40.000So, the probiotics you think may be only beneficial if people are consuming a lot of variable things, or a varied diet, like carbohydrates, all sorts of different things, and maybe the probiotics are necessary to sort of balance you out?
00:51:05.000I mean, your microbiome reacts to whatever you do, how much sleep you get, how much exercise you do, how much you eat, how much stress is in your life.
00:53:41.000When I'll say, hey, I'm going to, you know, maybe once in a while I have a, you know, have some berries again, you know, and then just see how I do with that.
00:53:49.000I mean, there's nothing wrong with that.
00:53:50.000There are a lot of people, I'll tell you, especially these guys have been doing it for 5, 8, 10, 15 years.
00:53:55.000I mean, they're like, man, that stuff just screws me up and I don't want to do that.
00:53:58.000Who was the guy that you were saying, did you find that gentleman online, young Jamie?
00:54:21.000These are all people that have done it for a total of 55 years.
00:54:24.000And there's one guy who's a marathon runner.
00:54:27.000And then these other two couple that have been doing it for 20 years, another gal, there's another gal named Kelly Hogan, that she was like a big, morbidly obese woman, and she went on a carnival journey.
00:54:37.000She's done it for eight years, and she got super lean.
00:54:40.000She was totally infertile, couldn't have kids, right?
00:54:43.000Super lean, carnivore diet, three kids later, happy as can be.
00:54:46.000All she does is eats hamburgers every day.
00:54:49.000I mean, it's, you know, the stories I get, you know, this is because now I'm this kind of central point and I get all these crazy, crazy stories of people just...
00:55:01.000Well, it's kind of like a little movement, I think.
00:55:03.000And I think what you'll see over the next year or two, there's going to be a lot more people doing this just to try it, you know.
00:55:08.000And I think, you know, it's a crazy, some people are going to do it just to say, hey, it's cool, I'm going to be a carnivore, I'm just going to screw around.
00:55:13.000But I think there's people that honestly are doing it, and they're really seriously improving their health.
00:55:19.000And I think whatever works is what you should do.
00:55:21.000Well, I think that the removal of refined carbohydrates almost helps everybody.
00:56:00.000You know, we didn't start eating all this processed stuff until about 100, you know, Crisco came out in 1910 or something like that.
00:56:05.000So all that crap we've invented in the last century and then when high fructose corn syrup came in in the 70s.
00:56:10.000All this stuff our human body just hasn't evolved for yet.
00:56:13.000So I think we're getting seriously messed up by that stuff.
00:56:16.000Yeah, and if you look at the change in our diet, there's a corresponding uptick in diabetes and all sorts of other obesity factors and health issues.
00:56:25.000Sugar and refined carbohydrates, those are the two big ones.
00:56:28.000The other debate is Whether or not eating all this meat is healthy for you.
00:56:50.000He was one of the first ones to do this.
00:56:51.000And he looked at people on these diets and he found that the people that ate the highest amount of fiber and had the most bowel movements had the most incidence of diverticulosis.
00:57:07.000So what happens is that eventually gets infected and then you get diverticulitis.
00:57:10.000But the people that were developing diverticulosis the most in his study, he did two or three like this, Showed the ones that were eating a bunch of fiber.
00:57:22.000So the question is, one other thing people don't understand, you know, is because a lot of people, when they talk about ketogenic diets and they cut out their fiber, they're like, you're going to get all constipated, right?
00:57:30.000I mean, you know, so basically I haven't had a bowel movement in a year, you know?
00:57:34.000Yeah, it's not true, obviously, but so what happens is you just don't make anything.
00:57:38.000I mean, all that meat, it goes right into your small intestines, it absorbs them next to nothing, gets to your colon.
00:59:17.000But most people think that, just in all seriousness, that consuming fiber is important for bowel movements and overall intestinal health and all that stuff.
00:59:27.000Yeah, there's no doubt the more fiber you eat, the more bowel movements you're going to have, but what happens is if you get constipated, and there's another study about this, they looked at people with chronic constipation, they were always constipated, and the only thing that helped them was taking all fiber out of their diet.
00:59:48.000Yeah, but what happens is, what you have is you've got a neuromuscular problem where the colon is not contracting the right way, and so you're blacked up, and then you just shove more fiber in there, and it just fills up more and more.
01:00:01.000And eventually, you might be able to force it all through.
01:00:04.000But that's not, you know, how that's, you know, a lot of people will say that, I will tell you, there's a lot of people that will tell me fiber just jacks up their intestines.
01:00:13.000I mean, they feel awful when they're taking a lot of fiber.
01:00:23.000Do you eat lamb occasionally or wild game?
01:00:27.000Yeah, I mean, it depends what's available.
01:00:28.000I mean, you know, I'm pretty happy with beef, but I mean, when I was in France earlier this year and I had just a bunch of lamb, you know, that's easier to get.
01:00:38.000You know, I haven't eaten game meat since I've started this, but I've eaten elk or foreign deer and, you know, chilies and stews and stuff like that.
01:01:00.000It's probably not, you know, I think it's just harder.
01:01:02.000Yeah, I'm always trying to figure out like what is that response that you get when you slice into a steak and it's juicy and delicious and your whole body goes like, oh!
01:01:10.000I think that's a primitive thing that goes back a hundred thousand years.
01:01:16.000I mean, that's like the point of You know, all this hunting we did and it's just what kind of satisfies us.
01:01:23.000That's why I always try to explain to people that the difference between like domestic beef versus like a slice of like mousse tenderloin.
01:01:30.000Like the difference in the richness of the flavor and the darkness of the meat and the nutrition content of the food is so much higher that the I think it's a primal thing.
01:01:49.000I think it's just like, this is satisfaction.
01:01:53.000Well, the vegan army, they've got their troops pointed in your direction, right?
01:01:59.000I've got a bunch of tweets about you, and one of the tweets was talking about your record as a doctor in New Mexico and stuff that you and I went back and forth about.
01:02:17.000So, you know, I was, you know, like I said, I'll just go to my background a little bit, so I, you know, I go to medical school, you know, I go to, you know, degree in biology, then I go to medical school, then I drop out of medical school to play professional rugby, you know, I had this kind of crazy, crazy career.
01:02:30.000Then I go into the military and I launch nuclear bombs for, you know, five years.
01:02:49.000Okay, so you didn't actually launch them, but you were working on them.
01:02:51.000I was a guy that if we went to war, Donald Trump says we want to nuke North Korea, I would have been a guy that goes boom, presses a button.
01:02:58.000So, you know, they do all this crazy psychological screening to make sure you're not some psychopath.
01:03:03.000You know, so I'm this, like, straight, Ethical guy that's just like, you know, just a good solid guy, top secret clearance and all this stuff.
01:03:59.000So I come out of training, not long out of training, and me and this other dude, his name's Tom Large, he's an excellent, excellent surgeon, just a great guy, great people.
01:04:07.000Me and him are the only two guys at the main center in Afghanistan.
01:04:10.000So you fly out there, it takes you about three days.
01:04:13.000You go to Bangor, Maine, and these old ladies give you lobster bisque on the way out.
01:04:23.000Then they fly us into Kyrgyzstan, which is, they used to be part of the Soviet Union.
01:04:27.000So we've got a U.S. base in what was usually the Soviet Union.
01:04:30.000So we stay there for a while, and it's freezing cold.
01:04:32.000And then we get on this C-130, which is a military plane.
01:04:35.000You know, you're packed in there with the cargo.
01:04:37.000And you fly into Afghanistan, and they're shooting at you, so they turn off the lights, so hopefully they don't hit you and they're shooting at you as you come in.
01:04:42.000So we get in there, and then I get off the plane, and they put you in this giant hall with like 300 guys on cots.
01:04:49.000First night, and then we go to the first day to go to work, right?
01:04:52.000And we're taking over from the Army, and I was in the Air Force at the time.
01:04:55.000So we're taking over from the Army, and the first thing rolls in, and it was pouring.
01:05:04.000He was a Special Forces guy, you know, full beard because, you know, the Special Forces guys would wear beards so they could blend in, right?
01:07:17.000I mean, somebody drug him behind a truck for like a mile, and they drug this kid through the streets, to the rough asphalt street, and his legs fucking ripped off.
01:07:48.000It was real expensive to have a tractor in there.
01:07:50.000So what he would do, because tractors are real valuable, he would have his kids walk in front of the tractor so they didn't hit any landmines.
01:09:03.000So we get all these civilian casualties, little kids and adults.
01:09:07.000You know, in their suicide vests, they put all these metal bearings, you know, like half-inch thick metal bearings, and they cover them up and cover them in shit so they get infected, and they blow through people.
01:09:18.000I mean, you get people with stuff going through their brains and shattered bones everywhere, and all these people that are just, you know, dying.
01:10:03.000And we're sitting in there and they say, hey guys, we think there's another bomber inside the hospital, you know, and the hospital may blow off.
01:10:10.000So you're sitting there going, you know, your butthole tightens up and you're like, well, fuck, I got to keep operating, you know, because I'm trying to save this guy's life.
01:10:17.000So we keep, we just like, well, we're gonna go, we're gonna go, right?
01:10:20.000So we just keep, you know, we keep operating.
01:10:23.000Fortunately, they, you know, they didn't, they didn't find, because what they thought they did is that somebody snuck in as a casualty, so they'd sometimes do that.
01:10:28.000They'd blow people up, and then they'd sneak in as a casualty and blow more people up.
01:11:28.000You know, they were in part of this big, huge group, had all these other doctors, but they didn't even know they existed.
01:11:31.000So I got there and I said, well, this is crap.
01:11:34.000And one of the reasons, because no one was seeing anything, they refused all these patients.
01:11:37.000And I got there and I said, hey man, I'm gonna go talk to all these other doctors and let them know we're alive, that we're here, and that We're going to see anything you want to send us, and we'll take care of it, and if we can't, we'll make sure it gets taken care of the right way.
01:11:49.000So that happened, and we started growing, right?
01:11:51.000So we went from two guys to 12 guys in about three years, and we were very, very busy, real busy group.
01:11:57.000And the rival group from out of town, from across the street, didn't really like it that much, because we were taking millions of dollars from them, I mean, tens of millions of dollars in their business, right?
01:12:07.000Because orthopedic surgery is very, very lucrative for a hospital.
01:12:10.000There's things like cardiology, where they're putting in stents, And sir, all these procedure-based practices make a lot of money for hospitals, so they really like it, right?
01:13:30.000And if none of that works, you know, and this is an end stage, we're going to replace your knee, right?
01:13:34.000So what I was finding, you know, as I started doing this with patients, is that these patients are getting better just by changing their diet, putting them on a ketogenic diet.
01:13:45.000So in my nurse, and I had this, and this is one of the things that kind of, I'm very jaded about the way the business side of medicine is now.
01:13:52.000This has been a pretty interesting experience for me.
01:13:54.000So I had a nurse that was just, I mean, she was a wonderful person.
01:13:57.000I mean, the nicest, sweetest gal in the world.
01:14:00.000She would work so hard for these patients.
01:14:02.000She would take care of, you know, anything you needed done, you'd tell her, hey, take care.
01:16:35.000So I'm like, you know, you know, and my nurse will tell me, I was printing out I made a list of all this reading.
01:16:42.000I had his book, and I had Anita Tychols' book on, and I had this guy named Butterbob Riggs, all these ketogenic things, references, and I was handing them out 20, 25 of those every single day, and I was spending time with the patients, you know, because normally you'd only get like eight minutes to see a patient,
01:17:01.000And I was like, now I'm spending 20 minutes talking to these guys about diet.
01:17:04.000And so, you know, then I'm seeing less patients.
01:17:06.000And the hospital keeps saying, you know, we don't really like that.
01:17:11.000So because I was ahead of the group and I was well-liked by everybody, I had really good patient records, I mean, really good patient satisfaction, you know, really low complication rates.
01:17:22.000I mean, they were like, well, we don't like that.
01:17:24.000So then they go, there's something called peer review, right?
01:17:27.000So they can just pull your records and say, We don't like the way you did this, and we're gonna criticize your work.
01:17:35.000And so they did that, and they went through there, and this is one of the things they said, well, Every surgeon will have X amount of complications, right?
01:17:42.000It's like, you know, if you do, you know, 100 surgeries, about 5% of the time there's going to be some complications.
01:18:15.000Yeah, or they'll say you made the wrong decision, that led to a complication.
01:18:18.000So they'll say you can get two a year, right?
01:18:20.000And it doesn't matter if you do 100 surgeries a year or you do 500 surgeries a year, the number's still two, right?
01:18:27.000And I'm like, You know, because I was here for like five years, and like every year I was like one, one, one, one, just nothing, minimal, right?
01:18:34.000One year they go back and say, oh, you had three this year.
01:18:37.000I'm like, yeah, but I did five times as many surgeries as anybody else.
01:18:40.000And they said, well, it doesn't matter.
01:18:41.000We're going to still put you through peer review.
01:18:43.000So what they do is they hire, remember this other group that I was pissing off that I was taking $10 million a year from?
01:18:48.000They hire their guy, that guy, to look through my stuff.
01:19:02.000It'd be like if you were a Bellator guy and he said, I want the Bellator guy to review the UFC, right?
01:19:08.000I think Joe Rogan sucks as an announcer.
01:19:10.000I'm going to have a Bellator guy go after him, right?
01:19:12.000So it's total conflict of interest, right?
01:19:14.000So I'm like this naive, ethical guy that's like, well, you know, I know I had good care and patients were doing fine.
01:19:23.000And then, you know, I was just like, okay, well, okay, that's fine.
01:19:27.000And so they get it back, and the guy, and they looked at these, they looked at a dozen cases they've selected, you know, so they could pick whatever they want.
01:19:32.000And they said, well, he said, I think six of these cases were below average.
01:19:36.000You know, I don't like the way you documented stuff, and this, and I disagree with what you did.
01:19:39.000So I'm like, and they said, well, that's okay, you know, you know, you're fine.
01:19:43.000I said, well, do I need to stop operating or something like that?
01:19:45.000They said, no, no, no, no, you're fine.
01:19:47.000What we're going to do is we're going to get an independent review, right?
01:19:49.000And this is supposed to be someone with no conflicts of interest, right?
01:19:53.000So the way this is supposed to happen is that they were supposed to let me see what the cases are and put my comments in there, right?
01:20:03.000And they were supposed to be totally in there.
01:20:05.000So what they did instead is they wouldn't let me know any of the cases.
01:20:09.000They told me, you can't see anything, right?
01:20:12.000And the guy that had the conflicts of interest, they gave him all of his findings and sent them to this guy, right?
01:20:18.000And this guy, and I don't know the situation for this guy, but I found this out about six months later.
01:20:43.000But it's really bad, and we're going to suspend your privileges.
01:20:46.000We're not going to let you work here anymore.
01:20:47.000So essentially what you're trying to say is they targeted you and they targeted you because you were changing what you were doing and you were trying to counsel people with lifestyle and they decided to pick on you and try to find things that were wrong in some of the past surgeries that you've done.
01:21:04.000I think there was a combination of problems.
01:21:07.000Some people weren't doing it intentionally, but there was definitely possibly some of that going on.
01:21:13.000Anyway, so they get this report, and the guy, there's two people, they bring me in the office and say, you know, we're gonna shut down, you can't go to your clinic, you can't talk to anybody you work with, we're gonna deny you access to all the clinic charts, we're gonna shut off your email, you can't look at anything, right?
01:21:28.000Like I just committed murder, like I'm some pariah.
01:21:31.000And then they say, then the guy, and I'm like, you know, I'm like, I mean, it's like my kid just died.
01:21:36.000I mean, this is something I spent my whole life training for.
01:21:39.000You know, I'm doing this stuff and it's like, you know, I mean, it's like you're like dazed and confused and numb.
01:22:23.000How the fuck did you not get a lawyer?
01:22:24.000I did afterwards, but I didn't know because I'd been a straight-laced ethical guy my whole life.
01:22:29.000So when you did afterwards, did the lawyer go back and look at that confession or whatever you would call it and say, well, this is preposterous because you're not even talking about a specific case?
01:22:39.000Well, she said it was probably something he shouldn't have done and I wouldn't have counseled you, but this guy was on the committee that condemned me, right?
01:22:54.000So, basically, they take this committee, right?
01:22:56.000And they hand this report that says all this bad stuff, and they hand my confession, right?
01:23:00.000And this is basically what they have to go on.
01:23:03.000No one knows anything about the cases.
01:23:05.000And this is all these people that are doctors, but they're not surgeons, right?
01:23:08.000All they are is, it would be like if you were reviewing MMA guys.
01:23:12.000Like, say you want to kick somebody out of the UFC because you said his performance isn't up to snuff, and you went to a bunch of tennis players and golfers.
01:23:18.000And said, hey man, we don't think he has his takedown percentage sucks.
01:23:23.000So these people have no frigging clue, right?
01:23:42.000Federal law requires us to give you a fair hearing, right?
01:23:47.000So I get a lawyer, and this is expensive as shit.
01:23:50.000I don't have any income anymore, so I'm spending all this money on lawyers' fees, and the hospital just drags out, and they won't release records for like six months.
01:24:23.000I mean, that's why I said the guys are senile or drunk.
01:24:25.000I'll give you a couple examples, and any orthopedic surgeon that's listening to us will know immediately what I'm talking about, but I'll try to make it make sense for other people.
01:24:32.000So of these 12 cases, two of them were something called a reverse shoulder replacement.
01:24:36.000So what happens is, you know, if your shoulder wears out, you can replace your shoulder, right?
01:24:40.000You did shoulder replacements on people?
01:24:42.000What do you put in there, like some sort of an artificial joint?
01:24:45.000Yeah, so this is what I'm talking about.
01:24:47.000So normally it's a ball and socket joint, right?
01:24:49.000So there's something called a reverse shoulder replacement, which you basically switch it around.
01:24:52.000You put the ball where the socket was and the socket where the ball was, which sounds totally crazy, right?
01:24:57.000This was developed in France in the 80s, and then the FDA approved this in 2004. So 2004 was approved in the U.S., and originally it was approved for one reason, right?
01:25:06.000If your shoulder is totally arthritic, you know, real bad arthritic, and you don't have a rotator cuff anymore, and it's completely gone, right?
01:25:14.000So that's what it was first approved for.
01:25:16.000But over the years, over the next five, ten years, people started using it for all these other things and getting really, really good results with it.
01:25:22.000So if you come in there with a blasted apart shoulder that's crashed and broke and you're an older person, people do that all the time.
01:26:13.000So basically what happens is, so they dragged us out for a year and a half, right?
01:26:18.000And they finally, you know, and at the end, you know, I tell you, because they, I got to tell you this part.
01:26:24.000I go through, this is important, I go through and compile all these cases, right, and get all the data to refute this and pull all these references and textbooks and all this stuff, and I'm like, this is a walk in the park, right?
01:26:34.000I'm going to, you know, anybody that sees this in their right mind is going to see that they screwed up and there's all these errors and it's wrong.
01:26:41.000So in discovery process, you send all this information in, and then they realize that, wait a minute, there's a lot of errors in here.
01:26:48.000So now they have to pick a hearing officer, right, who's like the judge, right?
01:26:52.000His word goes, they pick another, they get another search, they give me a list of surgeons to choose from.
01:26:57.000They say, you can have any of these guys you want.
01:26:59.000And I look through the list, and there's one guy, you remember that group that I was competing with?
01:28:04.000No, he said it was really bad errors, and they said you gave patients too much choice, and you didn't document stuff as well as you should have, right?
01:28:12.000And I still think that they should have just suspended you.
01:28:14.000So this is a decision they make based on that.
01:28:17.000And I will guarantee if anybody was on that committee that knew me, because those people that knew me on the committee knew I was a good guy.
01:28:22.000They never had problems with me, so that's why they were shocked when this came out.
01:28:25.000But if they knew that information, I'm 100% convinced that would be a difference.
01:28:30.000So then, you know, I get done with that, and then the state gets involved, because the state has to respond to any complaints.
01:28:35.000So the state gets this complaint, the state of New Mexico.
01:28:39.000And it's kind of weird, because my next-door neighbor is on the state board, and I'm just, like, totally avoiding the guy, because I don't want to influence anything, right?
01:29:11.000We can do another hearing, which is probably going to take a year.
01:29:14.000It's going to cost you tons of money, which I'm just tired of this.
01:29:18.000I'm tired of lawyers spending all this money and I'm still trying to figure out how am I going to feed my kids.
01:29:23.000So then, you know, the state says, or what you can do is we'll send you to a place that will evaluate you independently, and then if everything goes well, we'll give you a license back.
01:29:30.000So I said, okay, that's what I'm going to do, because I'm tired of this.
01:29:33.000I don't want to spend $100,000 and wait a year when I can go to this place and spend $12,000.
01:29:46.000And I am clearly, you know, even though I haven't done this stuff in two years, I'm clearly convinced that they're going to say, hey, man, you're fine.
01:29:54.000And they're going to say, here, go operate with somebody for two or three months.
01:29:57.000Are they allowed to look at those cases where you were judged upon poorly?
01:30:18.000I mean, you know, I've got a girlfriend who makes a good living, but, you know, I don't want to be, you know, but I've got kids, so we've got kids.
01:30:23.000I've got a kid with her, and I've got three kids with my ex-wife, and they're all young kids, and so I'm back, and so I said I'm traveling back and forth.
01:30:49.000They'll say, okay, we think that, you know, and I am almost 100% convinced they're going to say, you know, we need you to go work with some dude for a couple months because you're out of practice.
01:30:58.000And I think I'll probably end up doing that.
01:30:59.000Then the board, the state board, will review what they say.
01:31:02.000And as long as they say, hey, man, you know what you're doing, They'll give it back to me.
01:31:13.000I blame some incompetence by the administrators, you know, and just whoever reviewed me, you know, if it were caveman times, Joe, I'd go with a big club and like, what the F? Right.
01:31:58.000But then there's a point where, you know, it's kind of like you've got to make a decision between patient care and, you know, and the CEO making a little extra money.
01:32:49.000And then finally, after asking over and over and over again, she suggested meekly this, which instantly fixed it.
01:32:57.000So within like two months, the dog was 100%.
01:33:00.000I know you hit Chris Kresser on here a while ago, and I listened to a little bit of his stuff, and his premise at the beginning, which I haven't read his book yet, but I think it's great.
01:33:06.000I mean, here's a problem with Western medicine.
01:33:09.000We are facing this, I mean, it's like a war against chronic disease.
01:33:14.000It's like we're being invaded by Remember Independence Day?
01:33:44.000But if we were allowed to do that, and instead of training all these radiology technicians and blood draw technicians, And nursing assistants.
01:33:54.000If you had an army of preventive people, preventive medicine people, you know, and we train all these people to go into people's homes.
01:34:02.000You know, I think Chris was talking about that.
01:34:04.000And just get the crap out of their diet and show them how to be healthier.
01:34:10.000You know, it's funny watching the politicians debate about health care, how to fund it.
01:34:13.000You know, it's like, you guys are arguing about the Ticantanic as it's coming up in the iceberg, and you're arguing about the color of the deck chairs.
01:34:21.000I mean, we are going over a cliff, and we're not fixing it by keeping putting, you know, Band-Aids.
01:34:32.000Yeah, you're essentially dealing with the problem when it's already gotten to a point where you're in the hospital.
01:34:36.000Yeah, I mean, there's, you know, like I said, there's a guy, Peter Atiyah, I don't know if you know who he is, but he talks about when he was a surgeon, he felt like he was at the bottom of a building and somebody's throwing eggs off, and his job is to catch the eggs.
01:35:13.000But it is a changing climate, though, because of people like Chris Kresser and Rob Wolf and Dr. Rhonda Patrick and a lot of others.
01:35:23.000They're giving out really good nutrition advice, and people are changing the way they eat and think about food, and it's having a massive effect on the inflammation that they carry in their body.
01:35:32.000I know so many people that used to have joint pain.
01:35:35.000A great example is the Primal Kitchen, Mark Sisson's book, which is fantastic.
01:35:45.000And his story, Mark's story about having his own inflammatory issues with his hands, he had some pretty severe arthritis that he thought was just going to be with him forever.
01:35:53.000He changes his diet, reduces all the refined carbohydrates, goes on this protein, high-fat diet, and it all goes away.
01:36:02.000I mean, there's so many examples of that.
01:36:05.000And I just watched this documentary called What's With Wheat?
01:36:07.000And it's all about glyphosate in the wheat, Roundup, and how when they say it's safe for people to consume, they say, well, it only affects plants and bacteria.
01:36:19.000They're like, well, what about your microbiome?
01:36:21.000Your microbiome is filled with bacteria.
01:36:24.000Like, we don't think of that as being an issue.
01:36:28.000You know, we don't think of Sedentary lifestyle as being an issue when it comes to the ultimate cause for you to wind up in the hospital needing surgery.
01:36:40.000I can tell you one of the things I used to see, because when you're a surgeon, somebody comes in with bad arthritis and you replace their knee and they feel better for a while, You're like, oh, that's great, man.
01:37:16.000Well, here's the problem, because no one's demonstrated that diet works, but I will tell you...
01:37:20.000Well, no one's demonstrated it in terms of, like, scientific...
01:37:24.000Right, but I will tell you that, you know, just...
01:37:26.000I told you now, because I'm a freak, because I'm just eating meat, and I'm doing this athletic stuff, and everybody says, you're an outlier, you're a genetic freak, whatever.
01:38:14.000So we do this, and we get all these people that sign up, and we ended up having about close to 100 people just do 90 days of just eating meat.
01:38:23.000And again, there's a lot of scientific root things you can criticize about this.
01:40:38.000Yeah, we had them document stuff, and some of them did some, you know, it was kind of like one of those things where we, because we'd never done this before, and we made them document all kinds of stuff, and a lot of people, some of the people initially dropped out because we made them document too much stuff, like it's too much of a hassle, like you can record all this stuff.
01:40:52.000So we had certain percent that dropped out because they just didn't want to document stuff.
01:40:55.000We had a certain percentage that dropped out because they felt like they had a low energy, right?
01:41:00.000And so a lot of people, when they do this, they just can't eat very much.
01:41:03.000I mean, they get full, and they're not eating enough.
01:41:05.000And so that's one of the biggest things I tell people when they switch over to this.
01:41:16.000The problem is a lot of people lose weight on this.
01:41:18.000A lot of people get lean on this stuff is that your hunger goes down pretty low because you're eating a lot of fat and you eat a lot of protein.
01:41:25.000Especially if you're eating ribeye steaks, that's probably about 70% fat, 30% protein, something like that.
01:41:35.000You know, they tend to under, because no one's used to, like, if I told you Joe, go eat four pounds of meat a day, you're going to be like, well, I mean, I know you like eating meat, but I mean, even that's probably a big task.
01:42:09.000I'm sorry to interrupt you, but you felt no difference between going from the ketogenic diet to eating meat, or did it feel like you had more energy?
01:42:20.000You wake up every day, you're ready to go.
01:42:24.000You know, I've had a couple people that, and I haven't tested this, but I've had a couple people that have done this, and again, we need to get more data.
01:42:29.000I've had a couple people that have done it that said their testosterone level went up.
01:42:31.000You know, they went on all meat, their testosterone went up about 20%.
01:42:34.000And so I was like, well, that's interesting.
01:42:37.000You know, I don't put a lot of faith in just a couple anecdotes.
01:42:40.000But that happens to a lot of people that go on the ketogenic diet because the cholesterol is actually the precursor for testosterone.
01:42:46.000It's kind of interesting, if you look at red meat consumption in the U.S. since about 1977, so red meat has gone down about 30 to 40 percent.
01:43:17.000Hong Kong right now, if you look up, if you Google Hong Kong life expectancy, they live the longest out of anybody in the world, right?
01:43:25.000They eat about 40% more red meat than we do in the U.S. And they have the longest lived people in the world, which is interesting.
01:43:33.000Yeah, I'd read something that said that 100% of all people that live over 100, no, it was some high number of all people that live over 100 consume red meat.
01:43:45.000You know, it's interesting because, you know, I know the vegans really like to point out Okinawa, it's a blue zone and they eat a lot of vegetables.
01:43:50.000They looked at the people that lived over 100 in Okinawa, none of them were vegetarians.
01:44:14.000Right, but the thing is we're not just talking about if you want to do it.
01:44:18.000We're talking about people that are proselytizing.
01:44:20.000Like, they have this idea, and they push this idea down everybody's throats.
01:44:23.000But if we're just looking at the actual data, the health data, like what's good for you and what's bad for you, there's no, like, overwhelming evidence that the vegan way is the way to go.
01:44:34.000I mean, there are studies they like to push, but there's also studies that show the opposite effect.
01:44:39.000If you look at the Epic Oxford study, which had about 60,000 people in it, they showed that vegetarians and vegans live no longer than meat eaters.
01:45:01.000Vegans, vegetarians, no lever, no longer life, no better health.
01:45:04.000So it's kind of like, you know, who do you believe?
01:45:07.000And these guys have their studies that they're going to quote.
01:45:08.000And I can cherry pick all day, and other people can cherry pick all day.
01:45:12.000It's just BS. So my best advice is, and this is, I think, the best advice you can give anybody.
01:45:18.000You know, until we start seeing dudes walking around that are in shape and jacked at 120 years old, you're not going to know what the right thing to do is.
01:45:26.000And so the best advice you can have is to...
01:45:29.000Get strong, get healthy, you know, move well, do everything you can to make your health good, and that's the best you can do, because if you're healthy today, odds are you're going to be healthier tomorrow.
01:45:38.000So, you know, the fact that, you know, Joe, you've still got a lot of muscle on you at 50 means you're more likely to have someone you're 60. I mean, there's just no doubt.
01:45:47.000One of the best predictors of long life is your exercise capacity.
01:45:51.000And I think we should bring this up while we're talking about vegan diets versus other diets.
01:45:54.000If you have a standard American diet of even eating a bunch of shitty food and fried chicken and bullshit and cheeseburgers and sodas and you go vegan, you will be healthier.
01:46:05.000Because you're going to remove all that shitty processed food out of your diet, all the nitrites, all the stuff that's unnecessary, all the preservatives.
01:46:12.000If you do that, you will be healthier.
01:46:14.000But it doesn't necessarily mean the vegan diet is the way to go.
01:46:18.000I mean, it just, it means that the American diet that everybody, like, rightly criticizes is the wrong way to go.
01:46:25.000Vegan diet's certainly better than that.
01:46:27.000Yeah, I mean, you can do about any diet's better than that.
01:46:29.000I mean, you know, it's like in a lot of things, you know, this is another point I bring out, you know, because one of the differences between what I sort of think is healthy, and I'll come out and say, I don't know for sure.
01:46:39.000I'm still learning this stuff, but I'm willing to investigate it.
01:46:42.000You know, I'm willing to put my body to the test and have other people, you know, give me data.
01:46:47.000But there's a big group out there that says you shouldn't eat a lot of protein.
01:46:50.000You should really restrict your protein.
01:46:52.000There's some data that talks about something called mTOR that maybe it causes cancer.
01:46:58.000Maybe it inhibits longevity in these lesser animals like mice and little tadpole nematode things and bacteria.
01:47:06.000And then there's another group of scientists out there.
01:47:09.000There's a guy named Stuart Phillips out of Canada that's looking at that.
01:47:12.000And it shows that the more protein you have, especially when you get older, the The longer you're going to preserve muscle, the better your quality of life is, and likely the longer you're going to live.
01:47:21.000What happens if you autopsy an old person?
01:47:25.000If you go to an old folks home, their brain has shrunk.
01:49:02.000And once you get back in shape, you just got to keep it going.
01:49:05.000And if you just keep it going, it will work for you.
01:49:09.000What we compare, it's really interesting.
01:49:12.000Because what we compare in terms of normal body function, like the normal capacity that your body has, we're really generally looking at people that are just the average person.
01:49:22.000Well, the average person doesn't really exercise very hard.
01:49:25.000So we don't have a lot of data on people that are in their 50s that still go, you know what, I'm not letting this go.
01:49:31.000I'm gonna keep this fucking body strong.
01:49:32.000I'm gonna make sure I lift heavy weights.
01:50:23.000To know that you can move your body around in a way that most people find to be almost impossible.
01:50:28.000It's like, I want my body to work better.
01:50:30.000You know, it's like having a race car and you can choose what horsepower engine it is based on how much work you put on it.
01:50:37.000I mean, that's essentially what your body is.
01:50:39.000You can choose how much tread you have in your tires.
01:50:41.000You can choose how good the suspension is, how supple it is, and how well it can maneuver based on how much plyogenic exercises you do or how many different explosive maneuvers, you know, clean and presses and things along those lines.
01:50:55.000Yeah, I think that, you know, if you look at animals in the wild, right, you know, if you're looking at a pack of animals getting hunted, which one's going to get killed?
01:51:06.000So, if you're a human, and we don't get hunted by lions, but if you're a human, if you say, you know, when was my peak athleticism?
01:51:13.000You know, maybe 25, maybe 30, you know, somewhere in there, 33, 35, somewhere in there, that's like your, that's your top performance for most people.
01:51:20.000The closer you can maintain to that ability as long as you possibly can and do whatever it takes to get there, the farther you are away from death.
01:51:29.000You know, the slow, the weak, they get eaten, they die, they get diseased, they become disabled.
01:51:33.000I don't want to be, you know, I'm 50 now, I don't want to be a 60-year-old guy that's walking around, limping around, you know, needing assistance, somebody to, you know, lift my groceries for me.
01:53:59.000There's another MMA guy that Man, I can't remember his name, but he was like a pride champion guy, like pride six or seven that won it.
01:54:06.000And he's at the gym I'm at sometimes in Southern California.
01:54:09.000But I mean, that thing is, you know, just try, I'm sure those guys would come up here and let you demo it, you know, and just get on there and go, you know.
01:54:16.000And this is the thing I talk about when I talk about high-intensity interval training.
01:54:19.000You know, a lot of people, They don't get the high intensity part.
01:54:23.000They'll do Tabatas where they'll go 90%, 100% of the first one and by the time the third one they're down to like 60% because the rest intervals are too short.
01:54:31.000So I'm like, man, go like somebody's gonna kill you for 20 seconds and then rest three or four minutes and then go again because then you keep hitting that high intensity.
01:54:39.000That's what I do with exercise when it comes to weight lifting.