The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1057 - Eddie Pepitone

00:00:04.000 I get heavy, you know.

00:00:05.000 I'm gonna talk about life and death.

00:00:07.000 You're gonna talk about life and death?

00:00:10.000 What else is there to talk about?

00:00:12.000 I mean, that is what we're doing.

00:00:13.000 We're living and some people are dying.

00:00:15.000 That's life and death.

00:00:17.000 What's really interesting is that we're all gonna die.

00:00:19.000 Yes.

00:00:20.000 And that everybody...

00:00:24.000 It pushes away.

00:00:25.000 And I guess that's normal to push away, you know, thoughts of your death.

00:00:31.000 But the real enlightened, like the Buddhist, I'm into Buddhism, Eastern, Eastern and stuff. 0.94

00:00:36.000 They say the way to get enlightened is to die, if you can check this out, is to die before you die.

00:00:46.000 Meaning completely kind of go into...

00:00:52.000 The fear, and they claim that the fear is releasing ego, which what they mean by ego is like you have this beautiful studio and you have a career and a wife and kids, I guess.

00:01:08.000 And it's like letting – it's like you can't be attached to it.

00:01:14.000 You have to die to that.

00:01:17.000 Like in other words, you don't own your wife. 0.96

00:01:19.000 You don't own anything really because we're just – the bottom line of it is we are temporary.

00:01:27.000 Yes.

00:01:28.000 And impermanent.

00:01:30.000 And it doesn't mean you can't enjoy, you know, like you're in the prime of your life, right? 1.00

00:01:36.000 So why think about Your fucking death. 1.00

00:01:41.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:01:42.000 But I think for guys like me, I'm a little older.

00:01:46.000 And for some reason, we're on, right?

00:01:50.000 Yeah.

00:01:51.000 For some reason, I experienced panic attacks.

00:01:56.000 And I had a full-blown one coming up here.

00:02:00.000 While you're driving?

00:02:01.000 While I was driving.

00:02:03.000 Now, what does it feel like?

00:02:05.000 Okay, this is what it feels like.

00:02:08.000 I'm feeling kind of tired.

00:02:09.000 I've been doing a lot, and that's not to brag.

00:02:11.000 I've been...

00:02:13.000 You're in show business.

00:02:16.000 What?

00:02:16.000 You're in show business.

00:02:17.000 I'm in show business.

00:02:18.000 You're doing a lot of work.

00:02:19.000 I'm in show business.

00:02:20.000 I'm married.

00:02:21.000 I have two dogs.

00:02:22.000 I have three cats.

00:02:25.000 It's like...

00:02:26.000 A lot to manage.

00:02:27.000 The dogs are intense, you know, because...

00:02:31.000 You laugh.

00:02:33.000 I love your dog.

00:02:34.000 I have dogs too.

00:02:34.000 I have three.

00:02:35.000 You have three?

00:02:36.000 Yeah.

00:02:37.000 Okay, but for me, and this is, I think, one of the, you know, why I'm a panic attack sufferer occasionally, is that I get into these dogs.

00:02:50.000 I think a sign of someone who has panic attacks is someone who cares too much about taking care of things.

00:03:00.000 Instead of trusting that everything's going to be alright.

00:03:03.000 I'm going to get up.

00:03:04.000 I'm going to feed the dogs.

00:03:05.000 The dogs will be okay.

00:03:06.000 I'm always doing stuff like, hey, my dog's name is Charlotte and Basil.

00:03:11.000 Charlotte, does she have something in her eye?

00:03:15.000 Does Charlotte have something in her eye?

00:03:17.000 And I kind of blow it up a little.

00:03:20.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:20.000 Instead of chilling and going, oh, she'll be okay.

00:03:24.000 Let me just wipe the eye.

00:03:27.000 I'll see her scratching at the eye a little, and it can set me off.

00:03:33.000 Into this worry.

00:03:35.000 And I think that's kind of the symptom of patent attacks.

00:03:41.000 Like, I'm coming up here.

00:03:42.000 So I get on the 101. People who don't know the 101, well, you should just kill yourself because the 101 is a main ornery and you should know about it. 0.97

00:03:49.000 What if they don't drive?

00:03:52.000 Other things to worry about.

00:03:53.000 I think they're brilliant if they don't drive.

00:03:55.000 But anyway, it was packed.

00:03:58.000 The Google Maps was like accidents up ahead.

00:04:02.000 And I started to feel this kind of feeling trapped.

00:04:08.000 Have you ever felt trapped?

00:04:09.000 Yes.

00:04:09.000 On the highway where...

00:04:11.000 And for some reason, I think because I'm overtired and I wanted to get here, this is the first time I've done your podcast, I just started feeling an anxiety about, oh, fuck, I'm going to be... 0.92

00:04:25.000 And this is what happened. 0.97

00:04:26.000 I'm doing it physically.

00:04:27.000 You start feeling, I'm going to be late.

00:04:28.000 The walls start closing in.

00:04:30.000 Yes, man.

00:04:31.000 Can't breathe.

00:04:32.000 Yes.

00:04:33.000 And that's the real scary thing is the breath.

00:04:36.000 Right.

00:04:37.000 Like, oh, man.

00:04:39.000 It's like I'm doing this in the car.

00:04:41.000 And by the way, the one thing I hate about LA, I don't know about you, but here we are in December 28th, and it's hot.

00:04:50.000 Yeah.

00:04:50.000 It's pretty warm.

00:04:51.000 It's like 75 degrees out, right?

00:04:52.000 It's like 80!

00:04:53.000 Is it 80 today?

00:04:54.000 It's 80! 0.98

00:04:55.000 And the sun is blaring in through my side window, and I'm feeling a little, ah, fuck, there's nowhere, there's nowhere, I can't get off, I can't, you know what I mean? 0.97

00:05:07.000 Right. 0.94

00:05:08.000 So it's a buildup of anxiety instead of just going, you know what? 1.00

00:05:14.000 Like your shirt, let that shit go. 1.00

00:05:16.000 Let that shit go. 1.00

00:05:17.000 I couldn't let it go. 1.00

00:05:20.000 When I get entangled in it, when it reaches a tipping point, when the anxiety reaches a tipping point where I am like, oh, God.

00:05:34.000 Here's the voice in my head that I have to always battle.

00:05:37.000 It's like, oh, God, this isn't going to work out.

00:05:39.000 Instead of, hey.

00:05:41.000 You know, for some reason I have the, oh God.

00:05:44.000 Okay, but you intellectualize it, right?

00:05:46.000 Like now.

00:05:47.000 Like we're talking about it now.

00:05:48.000 I'm trying to analyze it.

00:05:50.000 But now.

00:05:50.000 It's after it's over.

00:05:51.000 You realize, like, ah, I should just say, hey, let that shit go. 0.99

00:05:54.000 Like you, without any stake in the game, right? 1.00

00:05:56.000 You removed.

00:05:57.000 If you were giving yourself advice in that car, you'd be like, come on.

00:06:01.000 Everything's great.

00:06:02.000 You're living in America here.

00:06:03.000 There's a few extra people on the road.

00:06:05.000 Some of them bumped into each other.

00:06:07.000 Let's just get through this.

00:06:08.000 You text me.

00:06:09.000 It's no problem.

00:06:10.000 Come a little later.

00:06:11.000 It's no big deal.

00:06:12.000 We'll start a little later.

00:06:12.000 It's casual.

00:06:14.000 There's no reason to get anxious about that.

00:06:17.000 You don't smoke pot.

00:06:19.000 See, if you did, I would understand more.

00:06:21.000 Because people that eat edibles and then get on the 101 and get stuck in traffic and then...

00:06:26.000 What happens?

00:06:26.000 Your whole world starts closing in on you.

00:06:29.000 You start thinking about your own demise.

00:06:29.000 Well, now I have that without the edibles.

00:06:31.000 Yeah.

00:06:32.000 It's the same kind of thing.

00:06:34.000 I think...

00:06:35.000 One of the things that I've noticed a lot is a lot of people that have anxiety and a lot of people that they're...

00:06:40.000 Generally, they're intelligent people.

00:06:43.000 And the problem is with intelligent people is that you're overwhelmed with possibilities.

00:06:47.000 You're thinking about all the actual variables that are in play. 0.99

00:06:50.000 Whereas dumb people just fucking stumble into walls where they're talking on their phone and, you know, they like texting and walking out into traffic. 1.00

00:06:58.000 They're not thinking. 1.00

00:06:59.000 And somehow, things work out for them.

00:07:03.000 It doesn't.

00:07:04.000 It's an illusion.

00:07:05.000 You're not living in their skin. 0.99

00:07:06.000 If you were inside their 9-volt battery brain, you'd be like, oh God, this is fucking nothing to think about here. 0.99

00:07:14.000 Jamie, were you with me or was it with Tony? 0.98

00:07:16.000 When we were at the airport and there was this girl, I sat next to her just to listen to her conversation.

00:07:21.000 I think it was Tony.

00:07:22.000 And she was just talking about amazing race, and I wanted this team to win, and I can't wait until this happens.

00:07:30.000 And when I get paid on Friday, I'm going to buy this phone, and then there's this food I really want to eat.

00:07:37.000 And it was just this droning...

00:07:39.000 I'm like, you might as well be a meat robot that's just sent here to consume.

00:07:44.000 There's no like...

00:07:44.000 There was no curiosity or creativity.

00:07:48.000 It was just consumption.

00:07:50.000 It was just food and buy this and watch that and drone on and on and on.

00:07:57.000 And who knows if it's genetics, if it's nature, if it's nurture, whatever it is.

00:08:02.000 There's a lot of really dull folks out there.

00:08:05.000 There's a lot of really dull folks, but the culture is also geared to consumption.

00:08:12.000 A lot of it is, sure.

00:08:14.000 Isn't it? 1.00

00:08:14.000 It's like you turn on the fucking TV and that is the message sent to you. 1.00

00:08:19.000 Is that our culture? 1.00

00:08:20.000 That is our culture.

00:08:22.000 It's a part of our culture.

00:08:23.000 But our culture is pretty vast now.

00:08:25.000 I would say that much more of our culture is the internet.

00:08:28.000 Much more than mainstream media now.

00:08:30.000 And that's one of the reasons why they're grasping at straws, trying to stay relevant.

00:08:33.000 What, the mainstream media?

00:08:35.000 Yeah.

00:08:35.000 Like television shows, they're down record numbers.

00:08:39.000 News is down record numbers.

00:08:41.000 I'm happy about that. 0.92

00:08:42.000 Yeah, I mean, I think it the idea that these it's great if someone is like, you know, New York Times, Time Magazine, respected journalism, someone who you can go to where you really want to know what the fuck is happening in Syria. 0.95

00:08:56.000 I need to know.

00:08:57.000 I need to know from someone who's going to give me an objective, informed opinion.

00:09:01.000 That's that's huge.

00:09:03.000 And it's very critical.

00:09:04.000 But once you get past that, you're doing a lot of the shows you're dealing with it, whether it's CNN or any of the Fox News, you're dealing with opinions.

00:09:12.000 In your opinion, is just as valid as Shepard Smith's.

00:09:16.000 Like, why is Shepard Smith?

00:09:17.000 Because he has makeup on, and he's wearing a tie, and they have ready, set, go, and they press the green light.

00:09:23.000 What you're talking about is really interesting how because it's just on TV, because it's sanctioned, Yes, sanctioned is the right word.

00:09:32.000 Sanctioned by the powers that be.

00:09:35.000 It's really about ownership.

00:09:37.000 I don't even know who owns CNN anymore.

00:09:40.000 It's not Ted Turner.

00:09:42.000 He probably still owns it.

00:09:44.000 He's hashtag ballin'.

00:09:46.000 He is, right?

00:09:49.000 I think so.

00:09:50.000 He's one of the biggest landowners in the United States.

00:09:52.000 He has millions of acres.

00:09:54.000 He owns Buffalo.

00:09:56.000 Yes.

00:09:57.000 He's got restaurants where he serves buffalo.

00:09:59.000 Unbelievable.

00:10:00.000 Hashtag ballin'.

00:10:01.000 Is that Montana?

00:10:02.000 I think it's called Montana, yeah.

00:10:04.000 It's in Montana, right?

00:10:05.000 They have them in Colorado.

00:10:07.000 They might have them in Montana as well.

00:10:09.000 I think it's actually a chain.

00:10:10.000 I don't know where they are, but they're supposed to be very good restaurants.

00:10:13.000 But what my point was is that the structure at CNN says, well, we're going to talk about this.

00:10:20.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:10:21.000 We're going to talk about that.

00:10:22.000 We're going to put it on TV. And people watch the fucking... 1.00

00:10:26.000 You know, you have to break it down to the essentials. 0.99

00:10:28.000 Like, there is a screen.

00:10:29.000 It's being transmitted.

00:10:31.000 Into your home.

00:10:34.000 And it's very much with people not realizing it. 1.00

00:10:40.000 A complete fucking mind control thing. 0.99

00:10:43.000 Or it really influences you. 1.00

00:10:46.000 And it takes a lot to kind of disconnect. 0.98

00:10:50.000 And for instance, I have said to myself, I am going to disconnect from fucking the grid for a while.

00:10:57.000 You ever try to do that? 0.96

00:10:58.000 Like, I'm not going to go online.

00:11:00.000 I'm not going to watch TV. Like, you know what I mean?

00:11:03.000 But it's really kind of very difficult.

00:11:07.000 Unless you go somewhere.

00:11:08.000 What?

00:11:08.000 I go hunting.

00:11:09.000 That's what I do.

00:11:10.000 I go to the woods for like a week and I have no choice.

00:11:13.000 Can't get cell phone signal.

00:11:15.000 There's no internet connection.

00:11:16.000 Do you feel rejuvenated?

00:11:18.000 Well, yeah, it feels good.

00:11:20.000 It feels good to take breaks.

00:11:22.000 You know, I enjoy the internet.

00:11:24.000 I enjoy the information, but it's overwhelming.

00:11:27.000 And one of the reasons why it's overwhelming is we're not really accustomed to this experience.

00:11:32.000 This is a very new experience for human beings.

00:11:34.000 Like, over the last, you know, 20 years...

00:11:37.000 We've had these options.

00:11:39.000 A little bit more.

00:11:40.000 24, I think.

00:11:41.000 94-ish.

00:11:42.000 94 is when I got online.

00:11:44.000 Don't you think, and I really want to relate this again to the panic attack I had coming up here.

00:11:50.000 Because it's another form of the anxiety.

00:11:54.000 It's that it's information overload.

00:11:56.000 Overload.

00:11:57.000 100%.

00:11:58.000 Because my brain, I think your brain is the same way. 1.00

00:12:04.000 It's like my brain, I feel my brain just digging into shit. 0.99

00:12:08.000 Like, oh, you know, like I'll read a paragraph on, I don't fucking know. 0.99

00:12:14.000 And then, you know, it'll mention something about guns, and then I go to guns, and then I go to gun control. 0.99

00:12:20.000 Like, I go, I go, and then I go to the scumbags who don't want gun control, and then I go to a school shooting. 0.97

00:12:27.000 Like, one thing leads to another on the internet. 0.99

00:12:30.000 Rabbit holes.

00:12:32.000 Rabbit holes.

00:12:33.000 Yeah, you go down that rabbit hole.

00:12:34.000 I want to do more of this on stage, but talking to an audience about, hey, I've only done it once, and it went okay, but it was like, hey, you ever go on Facebook?

00:12:49.000 And you just start reading a feed.

00:12:51.000 You just start reading your feed.

00:12:53.000 And you just get drawn into, like, people's random thoughts.

00:12:59.000 You start connecting into their brains.

00:13:03.000 And you're like, oh, I get that.

00:13:05.000 And then where you go wrong is there's 262 comments.

00:13:08.000 Ooh, and you read the comments and you go to their feeds.

00:13:11.000 You read! 0.98

00:13:12.000 No, but after you're fucking, let's say, 30 comments in. 0.99

00:13:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:13:19.000 Something happens to your fucking center. 1.00

00:13:21.000 Like, your brain just kind of is free-forming it about... 1.00

00:13:27.000 I forget what I was reading.

00:13:30.000 Oh, I was reading...

00:13:31.000 This was some thread somebody started.

00:13:34.000 This guy... 1.00

00:13:35.000 He said, improv, comedy improv is bullshit. 1.00

00:13:39.000 It's half-assed. 1.00

00:13:41.000 It's amateurish.

00:13:46.000 It's like they're presenting a product that hasn't been chiseled and worked out.

00:13:51.000 Whereas stand-up, he was a proponent of stand-up.

00:13:54.000 And he said, stand-up, it's chiseled.

00:13:58.000 And what people want is a finished product.

00:14:02.000 And I... You know, I kind of...

00:14:06.000 I disagreed.

00:14:07.000 I mean, I love...

00:14:08.000 They're different things.

00:14:08.000 Different things.

00:14:09.000 It's like some people enjoy jazz.

00:14:12.000 Yes!

00:14:13.000 That's what I love.

00:14:14.000 Yeah.

00:14:14.000 Some people enjoy symphonies.

00:14:17.000 Some people like to go to see an orchestra.

00:14:18.000 They want to see everything that's been perfectly tuned and just gotten to this point of perfection where they've rehearsed it.

00:14:25.000 And that's great, right?

00:14:26.000 It's great, too.

00:14:27.000 It's great to watch someone's finished set.

00:14:30.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:14:31.000 I loved watching your thing about how America is now a whore and we're driving with Trump. 0.98

00:14:37.000 Yeah, don't give my bit up, but yeah. 0.99

00:14:40.000 Don't do it! 0.99

00:14:40.000 Don't do my bit in a fucked up way. 0.99

00:14:46.000 But here's the thing, is that you get sucked in, because the way the guy on the internet, and this is what happens on the internet a lot, the way the guy who said improv sucks, that's how he framed it. 0.99

00:14:58.000 This sucks, this is good.

00:15:01.000 And then it's a thing, then your ego gets involved. 0.99

00:15:04.000 Like, I think I even, no, I didn't engage in that one, which is really good.

00:15:08.000 Here's the thing, he's right, to him.

00:15:12.000 For him, he's right.

00:15:13.000 It's just he phrased it wrong.

00:15:14.000 If he said, what I like is stand-up, because I like a polished product.

00:15:19.000 I don't like improv because it feels amateurish to me.

00:15:22.000 And people could say, I disagree.

00:15:23.000 I love improv because it's wild.

00:15:25.000 I like that feeling of being in the audience where someone yells out, you know, a genre.

00:15:29.000 World War II films! 0.86

00:15:30.000 And you know that they're scrambling and they fucking try to pretend they're into the... 0.94

00:15:37.000 What's that called? 0.96

00:15:38.000 The tunnels?

00:15:39.000 What's I'm looking for?

00:15:41.000 Oh, trenches.

00:15:42.000 Oh, I love trenches.

00:15:43.000 I build trenches and I have mustard gas at home.

00:15:47.000 It's Grey Poupon mustard gas.

00:15:49.000 Grey Poupon mustard gas.

00:15:51.000 I think that there's nothing wrong with having opinions on things, but people don't like that your opinions are different than theirs and they get mad at you.

00:15:59.000 Some people get mad at you if you like a certain kind of music.

00:16:02.000 It's insane.

00:16:03.000 It's crazy.

00:16:04.000 But they'll get mad. 1.00

00:16:04.000 Like, your taste sucks. 1.00

00:16:06.000 Your taste in music sucks. 1.00

00:16:07.000 But here's the thing. 1.00

00:16:07.000 What we're talking about is that that's what's going on a lot on the internet. 1.00

00:16:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:12.000 You suck. 1.00

00:16:13.000 You suck. 1.00

00:16:14.000 You suck. 1.00

00:16:15.000 You're wrong. 1.00

00:16:16.000 You're wrong.

00:16:17.000 Definitely wrong. 0.97

00:16:18.000 And I think it's really reached a fucking heightened state because of the politics in the country. 0.97

00:16:26.000 Like, in other words, it filters down to new prom and stand-up. 0.99

00:16:31.000 Well, the president insults people constantly.

00:16:34.000 That's all he does.

00:16:35.000 Yeah.

00:16:36.000 That's all.

00:16:36.000 He's a divisive...

00:16:38.000 I mean, this is not new, but that's how he operates, right?

00:16:42.000 Right, but he's very manipulative in the fact that he's very praising of some people, you know?

00:16:48.000 Like, doing an amazing job, beautiful job.

00:16:50.000 Like, the other day, he was talking about these firefighters, and he had all these firefighters behind him, and he was talking about what a great job they're doing as firefighters, and it's just like this weird speech, and now you're gonna go see each other on TV, and like, you know, I don't think they get enough credit, and It's a very interesting method that he uses.

00:17:08.000 Of course he's going to bestow praise on the firefighters.

00:17:10.000 You would say that, right?

00:17:12.000 But only if it's convenient for him. 0.99

00:17:14.000 Like, about John McCain, who was a fucking war hero. 0.98

00:17:17.000 He was like, I like people who don't get captured. 0.99

00:17:20.000 Like, Jesus Christ.

00:17:21.000 Like, he had, like, six deferments.

00:17:23.000 Like, yo, I had a hangnail.

00:17:24.000 Like, oh, can't go to war.

00:17:25.000 Like, he had a gang of deferments. 0.98

00:17:27.000 And meanwhile, he's saying something about John fucking McCain, who's a legitimate war hero who was captured and tortured by the Viet Cong. 0.99

00:17:36.000 And he had the balls to say, I like people that have been... 0.99

00:17:39.000 I mean, that's not respecting the military at all. 0.93

00:17:42.000 No, but here's the question. 1.00

00:17:43.000 How does he get away with that shit? 1.00

00:17:44.000 Just does. 1.00

00:17:45.000 Yeah.

00:17:46.000 Cuz that's just who he is. 0.99

00:17:47.000 It's like if you like if you know someone's a scumbag Like then the scumbag behavior is like well, that's fine. 0.99

00:17:55.000 That's Mike. 0.99

00:17:56.000 That's what he does, right?

00:17:58.000 But if Mike is a priest and it turns out what Mike really likes doing is smoking crack and blowing guys You know, you find out, you're like, oh, Jesus, Mike.

00:18:08.000 I thought you were this other thing.

00:18:09.000 But if Mike is Andy Dick, and you found out, oh, Andy Dick's out there smoking crack and blowing guys, like, oh, Andy.

00:18:15.000 You know, it's like, it's... 0.92

00:18:17.000 Trump is Andy Dick. 0.99

00:18:19.000 He's Trump. 0.90

00:18:20.000 He's Trump.

00:18:21.000 He's who he is.

00:18:22.000 That's his thing.

00:18:23.000 You come after him, he comes after you.

00:18:25.000 And we just sort of assumed that once he became president, he would stop doing that and he would act hashtag presidential.

00:18:31.000 He's not.

00:18:32.000 At all.

00:18:32.000 No, he can't help himself...

00:18:36.000 Making it all about himself. 0.99

00:18:38.000 And it's interesting, back to the internet shit and what is going on. 0.98

00:18:42.000 You know, just for instance, taking that example of improv sucks, stand-up is the best, right? 0.99

00:18:48.000 It is the guy who wrote improv sucks, the guy who started the thread. 0.77

00:18:56.000 It's like what they're doing and what Trump is doing. 0.97

00:18:59.000 It's like... 0.99

00:19:01.000 This shit is all about what I think, and I know you're gonna come at me, but that's what I want. 1.00

00:19:08.000 I want, you know, the attention. 1.00

00:19:11.000 I mean, I really think it comes down to, I want to fight.

00:19:17.000 I want to fight.

00:19:19.000 You know, I want an ego fight.

00:19:21.000 I want to fight, and I want the attention.

00:19:24.000 There's certainly a little bit of that, but I also think he wants repercussions for challenging him.

00:19:28.000 He wants people to feel...

00:19:30.000 He wants to punish him?

00:19:30.000 Yeah, he wants people to feel very uncomfortable if they challenge him.

00:19:33.000 I think that's a big part of his game.

00:19:35.000 You know, and he wants everyone to know that he's gonna come after you, like, as the president.

00:19:40.000 He's gonna come after you.

00:19:41.000 And if he does, all the Trumpkins are gonna come after you, too.

00:19:44.000 Because if he comes after you, then all these puppets, these people that follow him, that literally are on there all day long...

00:19:50.000 Like, you really have to realize that some of the people that are online that are tweeting for Trump or tweeting about certain things...

00:19:57.000 Are on there all day long.

00:19:59.000 By the way, I follow people just to see how crazy they are.

00:20:02.000 Just to get it in my head.

00:20:04.000 Like, oh, okay, I see what you do.

00:20:06.000 You do this all day.

00:20:07.000 You start tweeting at 7.30 in the morning with your first cup of coffee.

00:20:11.000 You're hurling insults.

00:20:13.000 And you do it until 1 o'clock in the morning.

00:20:14.000 And then you start all over again in the morning.

00:20:16.000 How do they do that?

00:20:17.000 Because I go insane.

00:20:19.000 I find, I don't know about you, but if I spend an hour on that kind of rabbit hole with Twitter...

00:20:27.000 Or Facebook.

00:20:28.000 My limit, I think, is about an hour before.

00:20:33.000 It's just something says to me, I need to get out.

00:20:37.000 I need to walk.

00:20:38.000 I need to do something.

00:20:41.000 I need to get away.

00:20:42.000 You know what I think is happening?

00:20:43.000 And I've been thinking about this a lot over the last week.

00:20:46.000 I think humanity is in the process of an overwhelming transformation that's something like giving birth.

00:20:55.000 I agree.

00:20:56.000 And I think that, like, if you've watched someone give birth, like, the crazy thing is how much pain the women are in. 0.99

00:21:02.000 Like, when I watched my daughter come out of my wife, I was like, whoa, that's a lot of work! 0.74

00:21:06.000 Like, it's fucking painful, and it's crazy, and there's blood, and it's just, it's nuts, and it's like, ah! 0.95

00:21:13.000 I haven't been present at a birth. 0.98

00:21:15.000 It's like this, it's like, ah!

00:21:18.000 But then, boom!

00:21:20.000 Did you film it?

00:21:20.000 The most unbelievable love comes out of it.

00:21:22.000 Yes, I did.

00:21:23.000 But the most unbelievable love comes out of it.

00:21:25.000 And then it's like, oh my god, and the way you feel is incredible.

00:21:28.000 And it's like, I think there's a...

00:21:30.000 You gotta go through hell to figure out...

00:21:33.000 How to handle this better.

00:21:35.000 And I think culturally, we're going through a weird kind of hell.

00:21:39.000 And this kind of hell, it's avoidable. 0.91

00:21:41.000 Look, you could just put that phone down and you could just go hiking, go with a good friend, bring your dog, go have a nice day, sit up there, you know, crack open a cold glass of water and look over at the landscape and go, man, it's fucking beautiful. 0.86

00:21:55.000 And it does something to you when you look at beautiful things, right?

00:21:58.000 You can do that.

00:21:59.000 But you might want to just check your Twitter real quick, see if anybody responded to that real witty post that you left there.

00:22:04.000 Oh, did I get any likes? 1.00

00:22:05.000 Oh, fuck you. 1.00

00:22:05.000 I didn't say that. 1.00

00:22:06.000 That's not what I meant.

00:22:07.000 And then you start...

00:22:09.000 The wheels start turning.

00:22:11.000 Exactly.

00:22:11.000 You know, they did a study, I don't know if you've heard about this one, that just turning off the phone...

00:22:19.000 Like, if you have the phone in the room with you and you turn it off, you think, okay, the phone's turned off, I'm cool. 0.95

00:22:25.000 What the scientist said, it was a study, I'm not sure where the study was, but they said, no, no, no, you have to put the fucking phone out of, into another room.

00:22:35.000 They said something about- What if someone wants to call you? 0.95

00:22:37.000 What if you get a text?

00:22:39.000 What if someone sends you a picture?

00:22:39.000 Even when it's off!

00:22:40.000 But what if there's a cool Instagram post that you miss?

00:22:43.000 Absolutely.

00:22:45.000 That's what everybody's worried about!

00:22:47.000 I think all the chaos that's going on in the world now, I really think that we're in this unbelievably tumultuous time in human history.

00:22:58.000 Absolutely.

00:22:58.000 Where we're not designed to have access to information 24-7 like we do.

00:23:03.000 It's all about information.

00:23:04.000 It's connection and information, those two things.

00:23:06.000 Those two things are critical.

00:23:08.000 It's all about information, but I think even more like insidious is the way the information is given. 1.00

00:23:18.000 Like here you got our president just being basically like a prick the way he fucking disseminates this shit. 0.99

00:23:28.000 Yeah, but he takes pride in it, right? 1.00

00:23:30.000 That's like part of who he is. 1.00

00:23:32.000 He's insane. 0.94

00:23:33.000 It's fine if you're a regular guy. 1.00

00:23:35.000 See, if you're a regular guy and you're a media figure, like some, you know, fucking, who's the guy from American Idol? 0.97

00:23:44.000 What's that guy's name? 0.98

00:23:45.000 That mean guy?

00:23:46.000 Simon.

00:23:47.000 That guy.

00:23:47.000 Yeah.

00:23:48.000 Like, he's a dick. 1.00

00:23:49.000 You know, everybody knows he's a dick. 1.00

00:23:50.000 Like, that's his thing. 1.00

00:23:51.000 It's his brand, though.

00:23:52.000 Yeah.

00:23:52.000 That was Trump's brand.

00:23:54.000 You're fired!

00:23:54.000 That was his brand.

00:23:55.000 So it's reinforced with public acceptance.

00:23:58.000 It was reinforced with attention.

00:24:00.000 It was reinforced with, like, he knew that that is what got him the credit that he so gravely desired.

00:24:07.000 And so then that allowed him to run for president, right?

00:24:10.000 He runs for president.

00:24:12.000 Coming off of a reality show. 1.00

00:24:13.000 They canceled his fucking reality show while he was running for president. 0.99

00:24:16.000 Remember? 1.00

00:24:17.000 Did they?

00:24:17.000 I thought Schwarzenegger took it over.

00:24:18.000 No.

00:24:19.000 They canceled it because he was running for president.

00:24:23.000 He was saying things about Mexicans.

00:24:25.000 Then Schwarzenegger took it over.

00:24:26.000 But they fired him, I should say, instead of canceling it.

00:24:29.000 But they fired him.

00:24:30.000 NBC fired him from the show because of the things that he was saying about Mexicans.

00:24:34.000 And that's really where it all came from. 1.00

00:24:35.000 He's a fucking, literally, an on-TV reality star on a shitty game show. 1.00

00:24:41.000 And then from there, goes on to be president. 1.00

00:24:44.000 So that style of...

00:24:46.000 He's not gonna, like, have this moment of reflection at 70 years old where he realizes this has all been a terrible...

00:24:50.000 Like, I have this amazing responsibility now.

00:24:52.000 I'm in charge of the greatest nuclear...

00:24:55.000 You think he would!

00:24:55.000 Yeah, you think he would.

00:24:57.000 But why would he?

00:24:57.000 Because he's just a person.

00:24:59.000 I think we have these narratives in our head, that these people become like heroes, that a president is something different than a person.

00:25:06.000 Yeah.

00:25:06.000 Well, I would just think, too, that if that...

00:25:10.000 Yeah, I get who he is, but it's like, God damn it. 0.92

00:25:14.000 Don't you get also influenced and formed by the weight of the job? 0.97

00:25:21.000 Yes.

00:25:22.000 You do have...

00:25:24.000 And this is the scary part.

00:25:25.000 You do have a nuclear arsenal at your disposal. 0.98

00:25:29.000 And it is fucking dangerous because you're dealing with another... 1.00

00:25:36.000 Fucking lunatic. 1.00

00:25:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:37.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

00:25:38.000 More crazy.

00:25:39.000 Yeah.

00:25:40.000 Yeah.

00:25:40.000 I mean, they found each other.

00:25:42.000 Yeah.

00:25:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:25:43.000 I mean, it's kind of a love story.

00:25:45.000 Yeah.

00:25:46.000 Well, in a way, there's an argument, and this is the argument, that a guy like Trump is actually good in this situation because a guy who is too diplomatic and would allow...

00:26:08.000 I don't know.

00:26:21.000 Very wishy-washy president who put severe restrictions on the military and didn't allow them to stop this guy.

00:26:30.000 We would all like to think that the world is like we are here.

00:26:33.000 We are here in the United States.

00:26:36.000 For the most part, pretty safe.

00:26:38.000 Not a bad place to be.

00:26:40.000 Most neighborhoods, even in bad neighborhoods, most of the time it's not that bad. 0.99

00:26:46.000 Occasionally bad shit happens. 0.99

00:26:48.000 Regularly bad shit happens, but not like it happens in the Congo. 0.99

00:26:51.000 Not like it happens in Syria right now. 0.99

00:26:54.000 Not like Aleppo. 0.91

00:26:55.000 Not like all these other parts of the world that are in constant turmoil.

00:26:58.000 Libya.

00:26:59.000 Go to Libya right now. 1.00

00:27:00.000 It's a failed state.

00:27:02.000 It's an ISIS hotbit, right? 1.00

00:27:04.000 There's parts of the world that are just fucked. 0.96

00:27:06.000 And if you're not the kind of person that is willing to do something to protect the rest of the people from getting involved in the kind of chaos that's in those parts of the world, that stuff can leak over. 0.97

00:27:21.000 Bad people can come in to your neck of the woods and start treating where you live exactly how they treat Syria, exactly how they treat the Congo.

00:27:32.000 It's totally possible.

00:27:34.000 Absolutely.

00:27:34.000 But I'm a believer that if this bad stuff, and it is what you're talking about, what you mentioned, is horrific stuff.

00:27:46.000 Like if you go in, I mean Aleppo, if you've seen pictures of it, it literally is a wasteland now.

00:27:54.000 It has been a lot of parts.

00:27:57.000 And the suffering that those people have endured and the amount of refugees in the world has gone up and up and up. 1.00

00:28:06.000 To me, I don't think you can isolate that.

00:28:10.000 I really don't.

00:28:11.000 I think that has to come back to roost in some ways.

00:28:16.000 And it does.

00:28:17.000 I mean, it's kind of random incidents of terrorism.

00:28:21.000 In other words, what I'm saying is that we have to have more of a...

00:28:27.000 Like, unified worldview.

00:28:29.000 Like, seriously have a compassion for...

00:28:32.000 I mean, I know this guy was kind of cliche.

00:28:34.000 No, we certainly do. 1.00

00:28:35.000 But for everybody, like, oh no, fuck, fuck Syria, Libya, Iraq, you know, they're bad people. 1.00

00:28:42.000 No, because if... 1.00

00:28:45.000 The world is kind of a small place, especially with technology these days.

00:28:50.000 And if there are thousands and thousands of refugees because of bombings, people, they seek revenge. 1.00

00:29:03.000 They grow up in hate.

00:29:05.000 They grow up bad.

00:29:08.000 Of course.

00:29:08.000 But what are you saying?

00:29:10.000 I'm saying that that does affect us.

00:29:15.000 Like you originally said, well, we live in a nice place where it is kind of basically okay.

00:29:21.000 And I say that I don't know how long that can...

00:29:27.000 Exist with all of the turmoil.

00:29:30.000 What I'm saying is if you're living in the United States and you're living in a fairly peaceful place, you have to take into consideration that there are people out there like Kim Jong-un who do regularly kill their citizens, who regularly kills people who are Insubordinate who regularly kills anyone who thinks who would challenge him in any way and then he has nuclear powers and he is going to do something and it's entirely possible that he could launch a missile. 0.99

00:29:56.000 He's so fucking crazy. 0.96

00:29:57.000 It's entirely possible that he could do it in some sort of a suicide mission and then he could launch a nuclear strike on the United States in a suicide mission if he gets the capabilities. 1.00

00:30:06.000 Some people It really depends entirely on how that's managed.

00:30:12.000 But there are people that would manage that incorrectly, and he could get to the point where he has those nuclear capabilities, and he could launch and he could do something.

00:30:20.000 That has to be taken into consideration.

00:30:22.000 We've done it.

00:30:23.000 We did it to Hiroshima. 0.85

00:30:25.000 We did it to Nagasaki. 0.61

00:30:26.000 We literally dropped indiscriminate bombs on entire cities.

00:30:30.000 That's unbelievable, by the way.

00:30:31.000 It's crazy, and it just happened.

00:30:32.000 Just happened 100 years ago.

00:30:34.000 Not even.

00:30:34.000 Right?

00:30:35.000 Isn't it interesting how most people don't have a sense of time and history? 0.99

00:30:41.000 80 fucking years is nothing. 0.99

00:30:42.000 That's nothing. 0.99

00:30:43.000 Nothing.

00:30:43.000 That's nothing.

00:30:45.000 But the modern day person is like, you know what a long time is?

00:30:49.000 45 minutes ago on my Twitter feed.

00:30:51.000 Yeah.

00:30:51.000 Like, that's 45 minutes ago.

00:30:52.000 That's old news.

00:30:53.000 Someone gives you an article.

00:30:55.000 They send you an article.

00:30:56.000 Like, bro, it's from 2013. Yes.

00:30:58.000 Yes.

00:30:59.000 Like, whoa, that's four years ago is nothing? 1.00

00:31:01.000 I get caught up in that shit. 1.00

00:31:04.000 You know what I love watching documentaries is because it reminds me, holy fuck, yes, a lot of the same shit went down in 1960. You know what I mean? 1.00

00:31:15.000 Sure.

00:31:15.000 Like demonstrations, Nixon was in power, we had Vietnam going on, you know what I mean?

00:31:22.000 I think there's always been a problem with people feeling like they're represented and communication.

00:31:27.000 Those two problems have always existed.

00:31:29.000 They exist today in a different way.

00:31:32.000 We almost have too much communication.

00:31:34.000 Well, that's what I mean, too much information.

00:31:36.000 A little bit, yeah, for sure.

00:31:37.000 And I think you're definitely right that we have to think of the whole world as being one thing.

00:31:43.000 Instead of walling things off.

00:31:47.000 You travel all over, right?

00:31:49.000 Yes.

00:31:49.000 Do you get a little scared?

00:31:51.000 I mean, I get like, fuck! 1.00

00:31:53.000 But you have someone who's a military dictator, like Kim Jong-un. 1.00

00:31:56.000 That's a totally different situation.

00:31:58.000 Like, he won't let the people leave. 0.94

00:31:59.000 He shoots them when they try to leave.

00:32:01.000 Like, this is a very, very bad thing to be seeing in 2017. That's entirely different than someone who's a Syrian refugee, who, you know, those people are fleeing for their lives, and obviously they're in Incredibly hostile environments and situations, but there are substantial parts of the world that welcome those people and want those people to have an opportunity to get away from what they're experiencing.

00:32:24.000 You know, there's a lot of people in this country that argue for bringing them over here and helping those people.

00:32:28.000 So I think our compassion is still there, but people don't want to be unsafe themselves.

00:32:34.000 You know, I think we will eventually These boundaries will become more and more preposterous, these lines in the ground that we've drawn, where we've decided, like, this is, you know, we are Canada, and we are against you, America, and you're connected to us by the same dirt,

00:32:50.000 like, we're tribes, and the tribes, we're tribe earth, okay?

00:32:54.000 You know, and I think once we realize that, we'll be a lot better off, but then we're going to have to really understand the allocation of resources.

00:33:03.000 Yes.

00:33:04.000 Yes.

00:33:04.000 Are you talking about also distribution of wealth, which is kind of another way to put allocation of resources?

00:33:11.000 Well, I'm talking about fixing places where there's no hope.

00:33:16.000 I mean, you could say that it's allocation of wealth.

00:33:20.000 One of the things you think about, like when Halliburton got these no-bid deals to go into Iraq and build these things and stuff.

00:33:27.000 Why can't someone get the same sort of contracts to go in and establish places in the United States?

00:33:38.000 Establish community centers in impoverished neighborhoods.

00:33:41.000 Do the same thing to Guadalajara.

00:33:43.000 Go into Tijuana and try to set up...

00:33:46.000 And here's the answer.

00:33:47.000 I think...

00:33:48.000 I mean, this is my trip.

00:33:50.000 Not trip, but my bent is like...

00:33:56.000 There is just – like what you're talking about, community building, going into places, setting up education centers.

00:34:03.000 It doesn't seem to be a priority when – Well, it's not profitable.

00:34:09.000 Yes.

00:34:10.000 Right, but – War is a huge profitable business.

00:34:15.000 But rebuilding is profitable.

00:34:16.000 That's what I'm saying.

00:34:17.000 Halliburton is rebuilding, and that rebuilding is profitable.

00:34:20.000 And what do you need to rebuild? 0.98

00:34:21.000 You need to fucking knock it down first, right? 0.97

00:34:23.000 And that – That's weird, right? 0.97

00:34:25.000 Things are already knocked down, but rebuilding them is not profitable.

00:34:29.000 What do you mean?

00:34:31.000 Parts of the world are already fucked, but going in them and rebuilding, going to impoverished parts of Ecuador and rebuilding that and try to make it so that these people have opportunities to advance their lives and take care of their families. 0.93

00:34:47.000 There's no money in that. 0.76

00:34:49.000 Why isn't there money in that?

00:34:51.000 I don't know.

00:34:51.000 What's weird is that everything is about where there's money.

00:34:58.000 That's the problem.

00:34:59.000 Look at China, right?

00:35:01.000 Look at how much they're...

00:35:05.000 Their way of life has improved since capitalism has sort of been installed.

00:35:08.000 The amount of people that are in poverty in China, I was just reading this, the staggering change since what's close to capitalism.

00:35:17.000 I mean, it's capitalism, but they have a lot more restrictions on what they're allowed to do and not do.

00:35:22.000 In China, they still can't research Tiananmen Square.

00:35:25.000 Research it?

00:35:26.000 Oh, what happened?

00:35:27.000 Yeah, you can't find out about it.

00:35:28.000 Yeah, that's crazy.

00:35:29.000 That's crazy.

00:35:31.000 And I feel like when you do that to people, If you say to people, look, you can't look into that.

00:35:40.000 Isn't there immediately, like, I don't trust you?

00:35:44.000 Like, it's immediate.

00:35:46.000 But it's a dictatorship.

00:35:47.000 You know, and that's the crazy thing about Kim Jong-un.

00:35:50.000 That's the crazy thing about China.

00:35:52.000 Anytime you're in a situation where you have a dictatorship, you have a group or a person who's controlling the information that gets attributed to the people, and then the people are under the thumb of this person.

00:36:02.000 And then when this person says something, that thing is the law.

00:36:05.000 That is one of the scariest things about Trump.

00:36:07.000 Is that what essentially Trump is doing is treating his word as law and saying that everyone else is fake news and they're all liars and everyone who opposes him, they cannot have a reasonable opposition of him.

00:36:22.000 Any opposition must be chastised. 1.00

00:36:25.000 If he wasn't within our system, he'd be a fucking dick. 1.00

00:36:28.000 I mean, he is that personality. 1.00

00:36:30.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:36:31.000 Well, you know, he's in this thing with the FBI. You know about this, right?

00:36:36.000 They're investigating him.

00:36:37.000 Okay.

00:36:38.000 I'm not sure where it's at. 1.00

00:36:40.000 He's talking about firing fucking... 0.99

00:36:42.000 Mueller, yeah. 1.00

00:36:42.000 Mueller. 1.00

00:36:43.000 Is he talking about him still?

00:36:45.000 I'm not sure. 0.99

00:36:46.000 I think he knows and the people around him know that, dude, you cannot do that because I think you're going to fuck with the wrong people there. 1.00

00:36:57.000 He still can fuck with the wrong people within this country. 1.00

00:36:59.000 Well, he's already fucked with the wrong people. 1.00

00:37:01.000 He's fucked with the intelligence community. 0.99

00:37:02.000 I mean, he's fucked with the CIA and the FBI and they're all like, Jesus Christ, this guy. 0.99

00:37:06.000 But here's the thing. 0.97

00:37:07.000 I think that's dangerous for him.

00:37:09.000 It is, certainly.

00:37:10.000 But not as dangerous as it was in the 60s. 0.78

00:37:12.000 It's harder to kill a president today.

00:37:14.000 But the FBI just stopped a terrorist attack in San Francisco.

00:37:18.000 Did they?

00:37:19.000 Yes.

00:37:19.000 You don't hear about it because the president hasn't talked about it.

00:37:22.000 The news has talked about it a little bit.

00:37:23.000 What happened?

00:37:24.000 There was a planned ISIS terror attack at one of the piers in San Francisco.

00:37:28.000 And this guy who is a former soldier was planning it and reached out to ISIS and was trying to do it.

00:37:34.000 Former U.S. soldier?

00:37:35.000 Yes, U.S. soldier.

00:37:36.000 Look at that.

00:37:36.000 Yeah, well, you know, you get crazy on all sides.

00:37:39.000 But that's what I mean about, you know, when there is bad conditions all over the world, it filters.

00:37:46.000 And that's one way, you know?

00:37:48.000 Yeah, but this is a guy who was an American citizen that wanted to attack random American civilians. 1.00

00:37:54.000 This is a crazy person.

00:37:56.000 This is a person who had blown a fuse and was just going to do this for ISIS and was doing it publicly on Facebook, was reaching out to these people. 0.87

00:38:03.000 So he had a blown fuse for sure. 0.99

00:38:06.000 He didn't understand what he was doing or understand that obviously people are going to be paying attention to these fucking ISIS pages. 1.00

00:38:12.000 Isn't it wild that people publicly put this shit out on Facebook? 1.00

00:38:16.000 It's wild, but it's not wild. 1.00

00:38:17.000 I mean, there's a lot of dull minds out there.

00:38:20.000 But anyway, the point is that the FBI thwarted this attack. 0.99

00:38:24.000 The president hasn't said a goddamn word about it. 0.95

00:38:26.000 He's praising these firefighters, doing an amazing job, amazing job, but he's not saying anything about the FBI. I wonder if it's because he wants everybody to think, hey, look, there's no terrorist activity going on in our country. 0.98

00:38:40.000 No, he doesn't want to praise the FBI. Well, that's fucked up. 1.00

00:38:44.000 I think that's exactly what it is. 0.99

00:38:46.000 I think he's against the FBI. Because he's getting investigated.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, because he has a vendetta against the FBI. He's at war with the FBI. It's crazy.

00:38:53.000 This is a crazy situation where someone of this mindset is running the country and some people love it.

00:39:00.000 They love it.

00:39:01.000 MAGA! We're gonna get things done.

00:39:04.000 Look at the joblessness rate is down.

00:39:08.000 Unemployment is down.

00:39:09.000 There's all this good stuff is happening.

00:39:12.000 The stock market is hitting record highs.

00:39:14.000 What's hilarious about when they talk about the stock market hitting record highs, first of all, I think it's a fact that 50% of America is in poverty.

00:39:25.000 5-0.

00:39:26.000 Do you agree with that stat?

00:39:28.000 I don't know.

00:39:29.000 Is that real?

00:39:29.000 Yeah.

00:39:30.000 I mean, you could look it up.

00:39:31.000 What's poverty?

00:39:33.000 It's a certain level of income and I forget.

00:39:37.000 I know what it means.

00:39:40.000 I mean, what is the number?

00:39:42.000 Is it like 20,000?

00:39:44.000 Sure, yeah.

00:39:45.000 It's around.

00:39:46.000 30,000 a year?

00:39:46.000 It's around there.

00:39:48.000 And I think it also talks about benefits.

00:39:54.000 And there was just an article, man, in the Washington Post, dude, about how people in their 70s are having to take full-time jobs because their pensions have been taking away.

00:40:05.000 I mean, corporate America is taking away a lot.

00:40:10.000 Well, Jamie was just talking about this yesterday, about how companies are selling you the same product, but now it has like a half an ounce less than it used to before, and the boxes are slightly smaller.

00:40:23.000 I just bought two boxes of cereal yesterday, and they both say they're 12 ounces.

00:40:27.000 One's 12 ounces and one's 12.1 ounces, but the boxes are not even close to the same size.

00:40:32.000 Same cereal, it's Czech, so it's the same shape cereal and everything.

00:40:36.000 Do you think that they're lying, or do you think that they've figured out a way to get 12 ounces in a smaller box?

00:40:41.000 Because you know how you would open up cereal, and then there would be like a little air space, and then you'd get to the package, and then there'd be a little air in the package?

00:40:47.000 Cereal might be a bad example, but Gatorade, for example, it's 28 ounces now.

00:40:52.000 It used to be 32 ounces like three years ago.

00:40:55.000 Well, that's a perfect example of taking just a little bit.

00:41:00.000 No, no.

00:41:00.000 You pay more and get less.

00:41:05.000 It's just a fact.

00:41:06.000 Infinite growth, that paradigm that corporations operate under where you constantly have to improve every quarter.

00:41:12.000 You have to make more money.

00:41:13.000 You have an obligation to your stock.

00:41:15.000 It's insane.

00:41:15.000 It's crazy.

00:41:16.000 It's like, how come you can't make...

00:41:18.000 Listen, if you make $100 million in your corporation this year, why can't you make $100 million next year and everybody's happy?

00:41:24.000 Like...

00:41:25.000 Yeah, I mean, isn't that the textbook definition of greed?

00:41:30.000 See, three different size cups appear to hold the same amount of soda.

00:41:35.000 There might be a sponge in the bottom of one of them.

00:41:37.000 You can't really tell, but like I said, this guy did this four or five times to sort of prove that there wasn't.

00:41:42.000 This is a small, medium, and super large size cup, and they all hold very close to the same amount of liquid.

00:41:49.000 Huh.

00:41:50.000 Super strange.

00:41:50.000 This is what I was explaining to you yesterday.

00:41:53.000 Wow.

00:41:55.000 Huh.

00:41:56.000 See, that's the Daily Mail's super sketchy, though.

00:41:59.000 Is that in England?

00:42:01.000 Yeah, the Daily Mail's like...

00:42:03.000 They're super sketchy with stuff.

00:42:05.000 They're super sketchy.

00:42:07.000 Yeah, there's definitely a problem that we have with the system that's in place in terms of how corporations get treated as individuals.

00:42:18.000 They're allowed to donate enormous sums of money now.

00:42:21.000 And this is a fairly recent, within the last decade, way that the Their structure has changed.

00:42:30.000 And then there's also the diffusion of responsibility inside the corporation. 0.99

00:42:33.000 If you work for a big evil corporation, but you're a good guy, you're Eddie Peppertone, you're a good guy, you wave to your neighbor, you give money to charity, but meanwhile you're making toxic sludge that's killing people in the Philippines or wherever the fuck it is. 0.99

00:42:47.000 Isn't that how it goes? 0.98

00:42:49.000 And that's how it goes also to justify this infinite growth idea.

00:42:54.000 This corporation keeps growing and keeps growing and keeps growing.

00:42:58.000 That's why Trump is opening up these national monuments for drilling. 0.99

00:43:02.000 Well, that's really fucked up. 0.98

00:43:04.000 And you're an outdoors guy. 0.99

00:43:05.000 Yeah.

00:43:05.000 Scary.

00:43:06.000 Scary shit. 1.00

00:43:07.000 It's really scary shit. 1.00

00:43:08.000 Not only is it scary, it's an affront. 1.00

00:43:12.000 It's like, no, no, don't take away our fucking land. 0.96

00:43:17.000 Because to me, talking about circling back to the panic, I feel like... 1.00

00:43:23.000 These motherfuckers, these corporate greed, let's call it, and it's rapacious and it's endless, they're taking away our places where we get some serenity, where we fucking connect to nature. 0.99

00:43:41.000 You know, like, the lifeblood of it. 1.00

00:43:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:43:46.000 They want, to me, they want everything. 0.98

00:43:50.000 Well, here's what's fucked up about it. 0.97

00:43:51.000 It is Americans' land, right? 0.98

00:43:54.000 It is the public's land.

00:43:55.000 And so if they're going to go to these areas and extract resources, why should they have those resources?

00:44:00.000 Why are we allowing them to take the oil out of these spots? 0.97

00:44:04.000 Why are we allowing them to take the minerals out of these spots? 0.76

00:44:07.000 These are not there for your disposal.

00:44:10.000 This is American land.

00:44:12.000 This is the public's land.

00:44:14.000 These corporations that want to come in and start drilling and mining in these areas, it's sanctioned stealing. 1.00

00:44:21.000 And then to jump to an issue one step further, what the fuck? 0.98

00:44:29.000 We're the only country who pulled out of the climate accord, right? 0.98

00:44:35.000 Now, are you with me that it isn't climate change, it's climate breakdown that's going on? 0.99

00:44:43.000 And anybody, you've had scientists on, have you had environmentalists on talking about this shit? 0.98

00:44:49.000 I mean, just here in LA, this past summer, do you live in the Valley too? 0.99

00:44:56.000 Yeah.

00:44:57.000 I never experienced, like, there was 115 for 10 days, not 110 for, like, three days in a row.

00:45:07.000 You talked to 116 here one day.

00:45:09.000 I remember telling my wife, hey, honey, it's only 101. They were beating me down to, like, sweetie, it's kind of nice, it's only 103 today.

00:45:17.000 Right.

00:45:17.000 You know what I mean?

00:45:18.000 But my point is that they're taking land to do more oil drilling. 0.99

00:45:25.000 To do fucking fracking. 0.99

00:45:27.000 To do that kind of stuff. 1.00

00:45:29.000 Where the fuck is the... 1.00

00:45:30.000 Why aren't we going completely toward solar, wind, phasing that shit out? 1.00

00:45:39.000 Especially in California. 0.99

00:45:40.000 If you fly over California, you see very few clouds and all the rooftops.

00:45:45.000 These rooftops should all be solar panels.

00:45:47.000 If they were, we would have almost no need for external power.

00:45:51.000 It's sunny 24-70.

00:45:53.000 And if it's not today, within five years or ten years, as the technology improves, there would be a way to extract all of our needs from solar power. 0.90

00:46:02.000 That's what I'm saying we should do instead of fucking opening up lands.

00:46:06.000 The problem is there's so much money in that oil and we still rely on it so heavily right now. 0.97

00:46:11.000 And they're not thinking about the future.

00:46:13.000 They're thinking about right now.

00:46:14.000 Right now we can get that oil and we can make a ton of money.

00:46:16.000 Here's the thing, Joe.

00:46:16.000 Here's the thing.

00:46:17.000 They're not thinking about the future.

00:46:19.000 Dude, there may not be a future.

00:46:24.000 I don't want to be like, you know, but scientists, really well-known scientists, are saying, you know, these hurricanes are the beginning.

00:46:34.000 You know, the massive ones we had that buried Houston. 0.86

00:46:39.000 You know, there were a couple that really fucked up. 0.97

00:46:43.000 And they're going to be the norm. 0.98

00:46:45.000 And also the constant heat out here.

00:46:48.000 I mean, you know what really freaked me out?

00:46:49.000 Four wildfires in December.

00:46:51.000 Yeah, the big one that's still going on right now that they haven't even put out in Ventura.

00:46:56.000 Yeah, Jamie was saying yesterday, it's not totally contained, right?

00:47:00.000 It's still...

00:47:01.000 Almost 90%, something like that. 0.99

00:47:02.000 Fucking crazy. 0.99

00:47:03.000 It's been going on for weeks. 0.99

00:47:04.000 The Thomas Fire.

00:47:05.000 Yeah.

00:47:06.000 Gigantic fire.

00:47:07.000 I mean, it's an enormous fire.

00:47:10.000 Hundreds of thousands of acres.

00:47:12.000 And terrifying.

00:47:14.000 By the way, the firefighters out here, I can't believe what they do.

00:47:18.000 Animals.

00:47:18.000 But you know, apparently they have a lot of prisoners that they fight the fires for like a dollar an hour.

00:47:25.000 Yeah.

00:47:25.000 It's like part of the gig.

00:47:26.000 That's fucked up. 0.99

00:47:27.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:47:28.000 You gotta fake your own death. 0.99

00:47:29.000 You gotta just run into that fire. 1.00

00:47:32.000 Get free.

00:47:32.000 But I think a lot of them are like...

00:47:33.000 You have like parking tickets and shit. 1.00

00:47:37.000 It's fucked up. 1.00

00:47:38.000 But it's fucked up that prisoners can get a fucking dollar an hour for work. 1.00

00:47:43.000 Like, why is it okay to like... 1.00

00:47:45.000 That's slavery. 0.99

00:47:46.000 It is slavery.

00:47:47.000 Like, if their work...

00:47:47.000 Like, I used to think that about license plates.

00:47:50.000 Like, that was always the big thing.

00:47:51.000 Like, in Massachusetts, there was always a joke that like every two years a new comedian would come up with the same joke because it was so obvious.

00:47:59.000 It's at New Hampshire.

00:48:01.000 The license plates say, live free or die.

00:48:04.000 And I'm like, those plates are made by prisoners. 0.99

00:48:07.000 And that was what was crazy.

00:48:08.000 That was always the thing about license plates.

00:48:13.000 They were made by prisoners, right? 0.99

00:48:14.000 That was always the reference that we would talk about.

00:48:16.000 You're gonna go sent upstate and you're gonna make license plates.

00:48:19.000 That was what people did. 0.98

00:48:20.000 But when you make those license plates, you're making like 30 cents a day or whatever the fuck you're making. 0.93

00:48:25.000 Well, again, that gets back to corporate greed. 0.93

00:48:28.000 Like I was reading about that stuff, like Verizon.

00:48:31.000 I don't know.

00:48:32.000 There's so many big corporations using prisoners to make stuff for their...

00:48:39.000 And prisoners also get charged...

00:48:41.000 Like, they get charged... 1.00

00:48:43.000 I don't know where the fuck they come up with the money, but they get charged all this shit. 1.00

00:48:47.000 Like, if you want to make calls, you have to buy your own fucking uniforms. 1.00

00:48:52.000 It's like... 1.00

00:48:53.000 Yeah, well, they're being punished.

00:48:54.000 I get the idea behind it. 0.99

00:48:57.000 Isn't punishment you have to be in a fucking confined space? 0.98

00:49:03.000 Now you have to work? 0.99

00:49:05.000 Well, the idea is that someone's profiting from it.

00:49:07.000 That's where it gets super squirrely.

00:49:08.000 It's like, wait a minute, okay, I get the fact they're being punished, but who's making the money?

00:49:12.000 Is the money going to the victims of these crimes?

00:49:14.000 No.

00:49:15.000 Okay, so it's one thing if you made a guy, like say if a guy robbed your house, right, and then he goes to jail, and then he makes 30 cents an hour, the state should pay him like what a normal working wage would be, like 25 bucks an hour or whatever it is for this job that this guy's doing,

00:49:32.000 and then You get all the rest.

00:49:34.000 Absolutely. 0.99

00:49:34.000 So this dickhead's working for you while he's in the pokey, and he's making 30 cents an hour because he broke into your house. 0.99

00:49:39.000 No, no, he's working for Verizon! 0.99

00:49:41.000 Yeah, that's what's weird.

00:49:41.000 He's working for some company that's willing to pay for those services at an exorbitantly discounted rate.

00:49:47.000 Yeah.

00:49:48.000 No, it's all not good, man.

00:49:50.000 And here's the thing.

00:49:51.000 You can't keep an eye on all of it.

00:49:52.000 You can't keep an eye on what's happening in Aleppo and then the private prison structure.

00:49:58.000 And then what happened with Bernie Sanders?

00:50:00.000 His wife is involved in what?

00:50:01.000 The college went under because of how?

00:50:03.000 Is he legit?

00:50:04.000 How many vacation homes does he have?

00:50:06.000 And then you look at Hillary. 0.99

00:50:07.000 Wait a minute.

00:50:08.000 What's this Clinton Foundation?

00:50:09.000 How much money?

00:50:11.000 She was opposed to gay marriage until 2013. You'll be overwhelmed.

00:50:15.000 You'll be overwhelmed with all the different people and all the different scandals and all the different possibilities.

00:50:20.000 And you're in your car and you're on the 101 and you're freaking the fuck out, Eddie Pepitone! 0.57

00:50:24.000 Jesus! 0.92

00:50:29.000 That's what it is.

00:50:30.000 We're overwhelmed.

00:50:30.000 And that's why you have to go into nature.

00:50:32.000 You have to go into nature, kind of disconnect.

00:50:38.000 Man, the Native American Indians knew how to do that. 0.98

00:50:40.000 Yeah, they knew how to do it.

00:50:42.000 But that's all they had.

00:50:43.000 They didn't have cell phones.

00:50:44.000 It's not like they made a choice.

00:50:46.000 It was interesting. 0.99

00:50:47.000 Are you taking that shit away from them by saying that? 1.00

00:50:50.000 No. 1.00

00:50:51.000 I had Sebastian Younger on the podcast.

00:50:53.000 He's an author, brilliant guy.

00:50:55.000 And one of the things that he was saying was that during the time of colonization where the Europeans were moving across America, some of them were kidnapped by these Native American tribes.

00:51:10.000 And then when they were rescued by the soldiers, they resisted.

00:51:13.000 A lot of them wanted to stay with the Native Americans.

00:51:16.000 And some of a lot of them moved in with the tribes like some people like voluntarily Moved into tribes. 0.83

00:51:23.000 What does that tell you?

00:51:24.000 But this is what he said.

00:51:25.000 No one did it the other way The Native Americans did not join the Western civilization. 1.00

00:51:30.000 They didn't like they were the only force Did they join the cities and move into these towns?

00:51:36.000 They wanted to be With Native Americans.

00:51:40.000 Well, they wanted to live the natural way, the way they've been living forever, which their system is attuned to.

00:52:09.000 I don't know, man.

00:52:10.000 But on top of that, then what's fueling that disconnection is This incredible technology where you're bombarded with information about everything and you're trying to make some fucking sense of it and your brain overloads and then the bigger picture almost is that there are people in power and there are people in power.

00:52:41.000 I don't know if it's a conspiracy, but these people own everything. 0.90

00:52:47.000 They fucking own just about everything. 0.98

00:52:50.000 And they're owning more. 0.99

00:52:52.000 We're talking about a bunch of different issues here, then, if you're putting all these things together.

00:52:55.000 I'm trying to put them together.

00:52:56.000 But I think that what you're saying about people being disconnected and being overwhelmed by all that stuff to think about, that's real.

00:53:03.000 Because you're supposed to be thinking about your immediate area and what the threats are and your immediate environment and where your friends are.

00:53:09.000 Where's the community?

00:53:11.000 Our communities...

00:53:12.000 I mean, they talk about this communities breaking down.

00:53:15.000 Yeah.

00:53:15.000 Like, we have a comedy community.

00:53:18.000 Don't you think that's a big thing?

00:53:19.000 Like, our community?

00:53:20.000 Like, especially the comedy store?

00:53:21.000 Because one of the cool things about the comedy store is we all go there and we see each other and it's, like, very, very friendly and supportive.

00:53:27.000 I think it's huge.

00:53:28.000 Huge.

00:53:29.000 So rare, too.

00:53:29.000 I mean, I realized that...

00:53:33.000 That is what we're talking about.

00:53:35.000 Like, you need... 0.95

00:53:36.000 You ever have a fucking thing where you're, like, flipping out about something, and then you make one phone call or see one friend, and the problem goes away? 0.98

00:53:45.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.95

00:53:45.000 Especially if you, maybe you and a friend are in some sort of a disagreement, and you thought that they thought this thing, and they thought that you thought that thing, and you get to talking, especially if you meet each other, and your friend's like, no, I thought this, and you're like, ah. 0.95

00:53:58.000 I thought you thought that!

00:54:00.000 And then everybody's happy.

00:54:01.000 So you were stressed out, freaked out, and nervous, and feeling weird about talking to that person.

00:54:06.000 But then once you talked to them, everything smoothed away.

00:54:10.000 Yeah.

00:54:10.000 I don't know if people, I think when you're doing that online thing and you're spending your day online or even texting, like I have all these friends, I have text friends and that's, you know, but I don't see them.

00:54:25.000 Those are weird.

00:54:25.000 I have a few of those.

00:54:26.000 A lot of East Coast buddies.

00:54:28.000 Yes!

00:54:29.000 I just text them every couple months.

00:54:30.000 We text back and forth.

00:54:32.000 It isn't to say, it's like there's something missing.

00:54:35.000 No, but if they call, I won't answer.

00:54:37.000 They call, I look at that, I've got time for a conversation right now.

00:54:40.000 Send me a text.

00:54:42.000 Send me a text, I'll get back to you. 0.72

00:54:43.000 But I'm in the middle of doing my ads here, and I've got to fucking write this bit, and I've got to fucking go somewhere, and I've got to work out an hour. 0.78

00:54:50.000 Mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm, mm-hmm. 0.93

00:54:54.000 But, yeah, but I think, you know, and we're all busy.

00:54:58.000 I get that, too.

00:54:59.000 But it's like we have to find time for the community.

00:55:04.000 You've got to find time for being a human, an actual human.

00:55:07.000 Part of being a human is interacting with other humans.

00:55:10.000 We need each other.

00:55:11.000 The worst thing they can do to you in prison is put you in solitary confinement.

00:55:15.000 Think of that.

00:55:15.000 The worst thing they can do, you're locked up in a cement cage filled with murderers and rapists and criminals, and the worst they can do is to leave you alone.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, isn't that...

00:55:28.000 The big punishment is not like letting you go out and hang out with all the guys in the cafeteria.

00:55:33.000 No.

00:55:34.000 The big punishment is putting you in a room, taking away your clothes.

00:55:38.000 So, just getting back to the technology, I think voyeurism... 1.00

00:55:44.000 Is fucking killing people. 0.99

00:55:46.000 We've become like this nation of voyeurs. 1.00

00:55:49.000 I went to a little birthday party yesterday in a bar.

00:55:54.000 This is not to brag.

00:55:55.000 In Silver Lake.

00:55:56.000 I can't believe you're bragging about Silver Lake.

00:55:59.000 I don't like Silver Lake.

00:56:01.000 You don't?

00:56:02.000 I don't think I do.

00:56:04.000 I'm also the guy who makes immediate judgments on places without really knowing them.

00:56:13.000 I think that's a comic thing to do.

00:56:15.000 Oh yeah, for sure. 1.00

00:56:16.000 That's absolute bullshit. 1.00

00:56:18.000 Oranges suck. 1.00

00:56:21.000 Yeah, fuck improv. 1.00

00:56:26.000 What's wrong with Silver Lake? 1.00

00:56:27.000 No, but I just want to talk about voyeurism and technology. 0.98

00:56:31.000 So I was trying to do the thing we were talking about, fucking hanging with people. 0.99

00:56:36.000 Around us in this bar were five fucking television screens. 0.99

00:56:42.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:56:44.000 And I'm the type of guy – and again, it's my anxiety, like my tension in me.

00:56:48.000 I wanted to go and go, can you please – and this is how I would say it too, which is why I never get anything done. 0.98

00:56:54.000 I go, would you please turn off the fucking televisions? 0.97

00:56:59.000 By the way, they didn't even have a fight on. 0.99

00:57:01.000 They didn't even have a good game on because the games were over or something and it was just showing random dumb shit like – I don't know. 0.89

00:57:11.000 One was a reality show where people were doing weird things. 0.97

00:57:14.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:15.000 And it surrounded. 0.99

00:57:16.000 And my vision was drawn to this shit constantly. 0.99

00:57:23.000 And it was like, no, man. 1.00

00:57:25.000 This is the problem.

00:57:26.000 It was right there instead.

00:57:28.000 But if you own a bar and you want people to come in and spend a lot of money, you've got to give them something to stare at.

00:57:35.000 Dude, there's the problem!

00:57:37.000 You could have a cute community bar, like one of them little pubs in England, you know, that's been around for a thousand years.

00:57:42.000 They don't have the TVs, right?

00:57:43.000 I doubt it.

00:57:44.000 I don't know.

00:57:45.000 I've never been to one. 0.97

00:57:45.000 But I would assume if they're a thousand years old, they don't fucking stick giant flat screens everywhere. 0.97

00:57:50.000 Right, but what about if we give it a shot, where if I owned a bar in Silver Lake, fucking... 0.86

00:57:55.000 Someone said it would be funny if I just had one black and white, and I'm just showing old Joe Louis fights on it, like really small... 0.88

00:58:03.000 That'd actually be cool.

00:58:05.000 Yeah.

00:58:05.000 Joe Lewis versus...

00:58:07.000 Who was the guy that he had these great fights with?

00:58:09.000 Was it Max Schmeling?

00:58:11.000 Yeah.

00:58:11.000 Yeah, Max Schmeling was unfairly thought of as a Nazi.

00:58:15.000 He was really just a German.

00:58:16.000 He was just a German guy who was a boxer who really didn't want to represent Hitler, apparently, from what I've read.

00:58:22.000 Yeah.

00:58:22.000 Was he the big rival of Lewis where they had these incredible...

00:58:25.000 He stopped Lewis in the first fight and then Lewis destroyed him in the second fight.

00:58:29.000 Yeah.

00:58:30.000 And the big thing about him beating Lewis was that he beat Lewis and Lewis was...

00:58:34.000 Did he stop Lewis?

00:58:36.000 I think he did.

00:58:38.000 Lewis hardly ever lost.

00:58:40.000 Did he lose one or two fights?

00:58:41.000 He lost quite a few when he got older in his career.

00:58:44.000 He lost to Rocky Marciano by a brutal knockout.

00:58:47.000 But he was quite a bit older.

00:58:49.000 I think he was in his 40s at the time.

00:58:50.000 But I think when he had the rematch, I think Max Schmeling might have KO'd him.

00:58:56.000 And then when he had the rematch, he destroyed Max Schmeling.

00:58:58.000 Here it is.

00:58:59.000 Lost by KO, yeah.

00:59:01.000 Oh, okay.

00:59:03.000 Does it say what round?

00:59:04.000 12 out of 15. 1936. Yeah.

00:59:09.000 And then he came back.

00:59:10.000 Max Baer was another guy.

00:59:11.000 Yeah.

00:59:12.000 He came back and he was a giant hero when he knocked out Schmeling in the first round.

00:59:16.000 Scroll up all the way.

00:59:18.000 How many years later was that?

00:59:21.000 38, yeah.

00:59:22.000 You remembered first round?

00:59:24.000 Yeah.

00:59:24.000 Oh, he smashed him.

00:59:25.000 Yeah.

00:59:25.000 I mean, that was when Joe Lewis was Joe Lewis.

00:59:28.000 I mean, that was when he'd really come into his own, and then he went on this incredible tear.

00:59:32.000 They used to call it the bum of the month club, because he was just knocking out anybody who was willing to get in there with him.

00:59:37.000 Yeah.

00:59:38.000 He fought some legit guys, and Billy Kahn fought him a couple of times, who was actually a light heavyweight.

00:59:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:46.000 Buddy Bear?

00:59:47.000 Was that Max Bear's?

00:59:49.000 It says disqualified.

00:59:50.000 Do you see that, 49-1?

00:59:52.000 I don't know what happened there.

00:59:54.000 I wonder if that's a relation to Max Bear.

00:59:58.000 Probably.

00:59:59.000 The 1930s must have been... 0.59

01:00:00.000 Can you imagine going back to the 30s and the 40s?

01:00:02.000 So look at this.

01:00:03.000 He was the champ all the way up to Ezra Charles in 1950. Think of that.

01:00:07.000 And he started in 36?

01:00:09.000 Yeah, so the first fight with Max Schmeling was 36. Hold on right there.

01:00:17.000 Yeah, so he rematched him in 38. The first fight was in 36. Took two years.

01:00:22.000 And then he was all the way up to the top.

01:00:25.000 By the time he lost, he lost to Jersey Joe Walcott.

01:00:29.000 A unanimous decision in 1950. That's incredible.

01:00:33.000 That's 14 years later.

01:00:36.000 Wow. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Fucking crazy. 1.00

01:00:37.000 No, his first loss was to Ezra Charles. 0.99

01:00:39.000 Ezra Charles, sorry.

01:00:40.000 Yeah, he KO'd Jersey Joe Walcott.

01:00:42.000 By the way, look at that.

01:00:44.000 Yankee Stadium was the venue for Chicago Stadium Olympic.

01:00:49.000 These were huge events.

01:00:51.000 Yeah.

01:00:52.000 And look, he won a bunch of fights after that.

01:00:54.000 He lost the unanimous decision.

01:00:55.000 Scroll all the way up.

01:00:57.000 And then lost again to Rocky Marciano.

01:00:59.000 So he really only lost three times, it looks like.

01:01:02.000 Unbelievable.

01:01:03.000 Three big ones in the later stages of his career, unless he lost earlier.

01:01:07.000 What's his overall record?

01:01:08.000 It was 66-3, according to that Thomas.

01:01:10.000 Yeah, so three losses.

01:01:12.000 So one Max Schmeier, the brutal one to Rocky Marciano, which ended his career.

01:01:16.000 Did you see that one?

01:01:17.000 The brutal one?

01:01:18.000 Yeah, you want to watch it?

01:01:20.000 It's rough.

01:01:21.000 I love...

01:01:22.000 I grew up watching boxing.

01:01:26.000 Did you?

01:01:27.000 Yeah, and it wasn't pay-per-view.

01:01:29.000 It was...

01:01:29.000 ABC? I'm 59. Yeah, it was like Network.

01:01:33.000 Yeah, there was a lot of that back then.

01:01:34.000 And there was something...

01:01:36.000 It wasn't pay-per-view, and they were free TV, and I really got into the sport. 0.99

01:01:42.000 I was like, I would be so psyched to see this shit. 0.99

01:01:46.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:01:46.000 I'd be like, I would watch, you remember a guy named Oscar Bonavilla? 0.99

01:01:51.000 He was just like this kind of wild brawler, but he was a big guy, and he'd fight guys like, I don't know if he changed his name yet, Cassius Clay.

01:02:03.000 Oh, what's this?

01:02:04.000 This is Jersey, this is Ezra Charles, right?

01:02:07.000 Is that Ezra Charles?

01:02:08.000 So that's the loss, but that's not the one we want to see.

01:02:10.000 We want to see the Rocky Marciano one.

01:02:13.000 This is the one where Ezra Charles was the first guy to beat him, and he beat him by unanimous decision.

01:02:17.000 First of all, look how much smaller people were back then.

01:02:20.000 Rocky Marciano, when he won the heavyweight title, was 15 pounds lighter than me.

01:02:25.000 Is that right?

01:02:26.000 Yeah, think of that. 0.99

01:02:27.000 And I think he was only 5'10", and that might have been bullshit. 0.96

01:02:31.000 People were a little sketchy about how tall they were back then. 0.96

01:02:36.000 Try to find that Rocky Marciano one.

01:02:41.000 I think when he was the champ, he was 185 pounds.

01:02:45.000 Maybe 190. And Marciano was known, like, Marciano was known for, like, just having unbelievable strength in his punches.

01:02:56.000 Like, he could just fucking... 0.95

01:02:59.000 Yeah, that's what he was. 1.00

01:03:01.000 He was like this fucking... 0.99

01:03:02.000 Is this him? 1.00

01:03:02.000 Yeah, this tank of an immigrant. 1.00

01:03:04.000 Brocktown brawler.

01:03:05.000 Like, he was from Massachusetts.

01:03:07.000 Yeah.

01:03:08.000 Brockton.

01:03:08.000 Is that him?

01:03:09.000 Brockton, Mass.

01:03:09.000 He looks small.

01:03:10.000 Yeah.

01:03:11.000 Now, here he is.

01:03:12.000 Yeah, he's 15 pounds lighter than me, man.

01:03:14.000 Lewis is a lot bigger.

01:03:15.000 Lewis isn't even that big.

01:03:16.000 Lewis was probably 200 pounds back then.

01:03:18.000 That was a heavyweight back then.

01:03:20.000 It's just a different world.

01:03:21.000 People didn't have that kind of food.

01:03:23.000 They didn't have enough to eat.

01:03:25.000 They didn't have the nutrition knowledge.

01:03:26.000 They didn't have steroids.

01:03:28.000 They didn't have weightlifting.

01:03:29.000 I mean, they had weightlifting, but boxers really didn't engage in that.

01:03:32.000 It was very rare.

01:03:33.000 They thought it stiffened you up.

01:03:35.000 They didn't understand that the stiffening you up is just as you're, you know, getting sore, and that you have to recover from that, and that's how you get bigger and stronger.

01:03:43.000 Like, boxers today, if you look at, like, Anthony Joshua, who's the heavyweight champion of the world now...

01:03:47.000 Is he?

01:03:48.000 Yeah.

01:03:49.000 He's an English fellow. 0.95

01:03:51.000 He's a tank. 0.98

01:03:52.000 I mean, he's a... 0.87

01:03:53.000 Is he?

01:03:53.000 Oh, man.

01:03:54.000 You look at Anthony Joshua.

01:03:55.000 He looks like...

01:03:56.000 Like a superhero.

01:03:57.000 Do those guys have as much stamina as these guys do, though?

01:04:01.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:01.000 They do today.

01:04:01.000 Oh, they did?

01:04:02.000 Yeah, because the conditioning methods that they have today are just so superior.

01:04:06.000 They understand rest and recovery, and they monitor your heart rate, and they're monitoring lactic acid buildup and creatine in your blood.

01:04:15.000 So the science is really...

01:04:16.000 It's such a scientific...

01:04:18.000 If they engage in that, some people still take it old school, but I just think they know more about what gets you in condition and high-intensity conditioning drills, high reps.

01:04:31.000 But Rocky Marciano had something that you can't teach people.

01:04:34.000 Which is just brute strength.

01:04:36.000 Brutal power.

01:04:37.000 He just had the ability to land these bone-crushing shots.

01:04:42.000 And he also was insanely tough.

01:04:44.000 You're dealing with just a different time.

01:04:47.000 Like, I was having this conversation with my wife this morning.

01:04:49.000 We were talking about old school.

01:04:51.000 Keep that going.

01:04:52.000 Keep that going.

01:04:53.000 See, the end is brutal.

01:04:55.000 We were talking about old school cartoons and about, like, Pinocchio.

01:05:00.000 Yeah.

01:05:00.000 And they were so mean.

01:05:02.000 They were so mean.

01:05:03.000 And even old school cartoons about Santa and Christmas elves. 0.99

01:05:07.000 The elves were all shitty to each other. 0.98

01:05:08.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:05:09.000 Like, what the fuck? 1.00

01:05:10.000 I thought you guys worked for Santa Claus. 1.00

01:05:11.000 Has it all been PC'd out?

01:05:13.000 Totally PC'd out.

01:05:14.000 But back then, in the 1940s and 50s, when these cartoons were originally made, the world was a hard place, man.

01:05:21.000 It was hard.

01:05:22.000 It's hard.

01:05:22.000 Well, we're talking World War II? Was World War II just over, or...

01:05:26.000 Yeah.

01:05:27.000 Well, here's something that I didn't realize until recently.

01:05:29.000 My friend Steve Rinello was actually talking about this on a podcast.

01:05:32.000 When we talk about factory farming and large-scale agriculture- I hate that stuff, by the way.

01:05:38.000 When we talk about that, the reason why that all got instituted, the reason why we have those programs set in place in America was because of famine.

01:05:46.000 Because people were worried about what happened to the Europeans during World War II. During World War I and World War II, it's estimated that millions of people starved to death in the world.

01:05:56.000 And in the United States, after the war, they wanted to do something to make sure that that didn't happen over here.

01:06:03.000 And one of the things they did was they started instituting subsidies for farmers to make sure, look, you're not making enough money, but we're going to give you money just so that we have all this food on reserve. 0.98

01:06:13.000 So that everyone thinks about it as, oh, this is this evil thing that the government has done to keep us fat and stupid. 0.79

01:06:18.000 No, it was originally put in place to prepare for the worst case scenario where we're at war again and we're short on food. 0.99

01:06:26.000 I get it.

01:06:27.000 I get...

01:06:28.000 The genesis of it, but now... 0.99

01:06:32.000 Now it sucks, yeah. 0.99

01:06:33.000 Now it's horrible. 1.00

01:06:34.000 Now it's fucking horrible. 0.99

01:06:35.000 Well, the worst part is the animals. 0.99

01:06:37.000 See, that's my thing. 1.00

01:06:39.000 I'm just like, you ever watch a fucking... 0.99

01:06:41.000 I mean, I'm... 0.99

01:06:43.000 I have gone to veganism and I grew up Italian and we ate everything.

01:06:47.000 I mean, I love sausage.

01:06:49.000 I mean, I just couldn't imagine.

01:06:50.000 Of course.

01:06:51.000 It's amazing that I have gone this way.

01:06:55.000 And I did it because my wife got me into it.

01:06:59.000 Big animal rights activist. 0.98

01:07:01.000 And just watching some fucking slaughterhouse videos and seeing the fear of I mean, to me, animals are the most powerless. 1.00

01:07:11.000 Because they don't have any choice in this shit. 1.00

01:07:13.000 You know, human beings who have fucking horrible lives, there's at least some fucking element of choice and free will. 1.00

01:07:22.000 Fucking animals are just... 1.00

01:07:24.000 It's just like... 1.00

01:07:25.000 Especially factory farmed animals, right?

01:07:26.000 Aw, dude.

01:07:27.000 I mean, they're just trapped.

01:07:29.000 So are you vegan now?

01:07:30.000 Yeah, I have been for...

01:07:33.000 I have been for...

01:07:34.000 I would say it took a while to not slip.

01:07:38.000 I would say pretty solidly for three years, four years.

01:07:41.000 And do you get your health monitored?

01:07:43.000 Do you get your blood levels checked?

01:07:45.000 I do.

01:07:46.000 My sugars are a little high.

01:07:48.000 Because what happens for me... 0.99

01:07:50.000 And this could just be fucking willpower. 0.97

01:07:53.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:07:54.000 But...

01:07:55.000 Oh, he just knocked down. 0.99

01:07:56.000 Hit him with a left hook. 0.99

01:07:58.000 Dropped him. 0.99

01:07:59.000 And this is, you know, an older Joe Lewis.

01:08:02.000 How old was Joe Lewis at the time of this, young Jamie?

01:08:04.000 Does it say?

01:08:06.000 And Marciano.

01:08:08.000 How old was Marciano?

01:08:09.000 He was in his prime.

01:08:10.000 I think Marciano was 30 or something like that.

01:08:12.000 Boy, he is a lot smaller than him.

01:08:15.000 Does it say?

01:08:16.000 No.

01:08:17.000 No?

01:08:18.000 He was older.

01:08:21.000 Yeah, in 1951, he got knocked out by Marciano.

01:08:24.000 That's crazy.

01:08:26.000 God, I love Braddock.

01:08:27.000 I love that Cinderella story.

01:08:28.000 You'll see that movie with Russell Crowe. 0.99

01:08:30.000 It's like fucking great. 0.99

01:08:31.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:08:32.000 So anyway, so you eat too much carbs?

01:08:35.000 Yes.

01:08:35.000 Yeah.

01:08:36.000 Yes, I do.

01:08:38.000 I do.

01:08:39.000 Carbs are terrible for you, man.

01:08:40.000 They'll do you in more than anything.

01:08:42.000 What about eggs? 1.00

01:08:43.000 Fuck. 1.00

01:08:44.000 Well, that's not vegan. 1.00

01:08:46.000 Yeah, but why go vegan when eggs don't harm anything?

01:08:49.000 If you get, like, I have chickens.

01:08:51.000 You have chickens?

01:08:52.000 Yeah, man.

01:08:52.000 They just run around, you feed them, have a good old time, then you eat their eggs.

01:08:57.000 Like, nobody gets hurt.

01:08:59.000 The eggs are not viable because there's no rooster, right?

01:09:01.000 So you're not taking away a life.

01:09:03.000 This is just something that the chickens almost like you have a relationship.

01:09:06.000 Aren't those embryos? 0.78

01:09:07.000 No.

01:09:08.000 No, they're just eggs.

01:09:09.000 No, they're only an embryo if it's pregnant. 1.00

01:09:12.000 So it has to get fucked by a rooster. 1.00

01:09:13.000 If there's no rooster, they just lay eggs. 1.00

01:09:16.000 Oh.

01:09:18.000 Isn't that funny that most people didn't know that?

01:09:19.000 I didn't know that.

01:09:20.000 I didn't know that until I got chickens.

01:09:22.000 I kind of intellectualized it, but then I was, oh yeah, yeah, there's no rooster.

01:09:27.000 How could they, of course.

01:09:28.000 It's not like the chickens can just lay eggs and those eggs can become new chickens.

01:09:32.000 No, that only happens if a rooster gets in the hen house. 1.00

01:09:35.000 I guess the answer to that would be the way they house the fucking chickens to make the eggs. 1.00

01:09:43.000 Well, you don't have to get them that way. 1.00

01:09:44.000 You can get free range.

01:09:45.000 I mean, there's places that you can get legitimate free range.

01:09:48.000 You can actually even visit the farms.

01:09:51.000 You know, there's a guy that we had on the podcast.

01:09:53.000 What is that gentleman's name that runs Polyface Farms?

01:09:57.000 Joel Salatin.

01:09:58.000 Yeah, Joel Salatin.

01:09:59.000 Oh, I've heard of that name.

01:10:00.000 Brilliant guy.

01:10:00.000 Like, he's a real humane...

01:10:02.000 Yes.

01:10:03.000 I've heard of him, I think it was in a movie called Forks Over Knives, maybe?

01:10:07.000 I don't know.

01:10:07.000 Maybe.

01:10:08.000 That movie is very deceptive. 1.00

01:10:09.000 That movie is filled with a lot of bullshit. 1.00

01:10:11.000 Forks Over Knives? 1.00

01:10:12.000 Yes, yes, yes.

01:10:12.000 What's it new?

01:10:13.000 It's a vegan propaganda movie.

01:10:14.000 And they're the same guys that did the most recent one, which is What the Health?

01:10:19.000 Yeah.

01:10:19.000 It's widely torn apart by actual scientists who understand human nutrition.

01:10:23.000 Oh, yeah?

01:10:24.000 Yes.

01:10:25.000 Yes.

01:10:25.000 Real problems.

01:10:26.000 Like, meat does not cause diabetes.

01:10:28.000 There's zero evidence that it does.

01:10:30.000 Well, diabetes is caused by sugar and by complex carbohydrates, or excuse me, by refined carbohydrates.

01:10:36.000 Processed.

01:10:36.000 Not all diabetes, right?

01:10:39.000 Obviously, there's genetic diabetes.

01:10:40.000 Right.

01:10:40.000 What about the connection between meat and heart disease?

01:10:46.000 Here's a connection.

01:10:47.000 When you say people who eat meat are more likely to have heart attacks, right?

01:10:51.000 You're not saying what they eat the meat with. 0.90

01:10:53.000 Are they eating a piece of grass-fed steak or are they eating a shitty cheeseburger on a bun that's filled with sugar, with fries, and that they have a syrupy soda with it? 0.57

01:11:02.000 I've had scientists talk about this.

01:11:04.000 Dr. Rhonda Patrick was on this recently, and what she said is there is a direct correlation between consumption of saturated fats along with refined sugar.

01:11:13.000 When you have refined sugar and saturated fats, it produces a lot of bad cholesterol.

01:11:18.000 And this is one of the things that's been proven clinically to lead to heart attacks, clinically to lead to strokes and hardening of the arteries and The big thing is sugar.

01:11:31.000 The big thing is sugar and carbohydrates. 0.96

01:11:33.000 Those are the big things.

01:11:34.000 And carbs turn into sugar. 0.98

01:11:35.000 Yes.

01:11:37.000 Do you eat no carbs?

01:11:39.000 Or brown carbs?

01:11:40.000 I eat very little carbs.

01:11:41.000 Very little?

01:11:42.000 Very little, yeah.

01:11:43.000 You don't crave them, huh?

01:11:44.000 No, once you get out of it.

01:11:45.000 See, a lot of it is your gut health.

01:11:47.000 A lot of it is what's going on inside your stomach.

01:11:50.000 Like, what your stomach is used to eating.

01:11:52.000 If you feed your stomach sugar and processed refined carbohydrates all the time, that's what you've got in your gut.

01:12:00.000 I mean, that's the kind of gut flora you're cultivating.

01:12:02.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:12:03.000 And that's what leads to leaky gut, leads to inflammation, you know?

01:12:08.000 I mean, I want to pick on you, but you're a little overweight.

01:12:10.000 No, no, no, no.

01:12:11.000 And this is a lot of it about carbs.

01:12:12.000 I know I have a problem with carbs.

01:12:14.000 Yeah.

01:12:15.000 And my trip has been that I'm about the animal rights.

01:12:21.000 Sure.

01:12:21.000 You know what I mean?

01:12:22.000 Like, I don't. 0.99

01:12:24.000 I fucking hate the way they are treated. 0.99

01:12:26.000 But that's fine. 1.00

01:12:28.000 And it's good.

01:12:29.000 But you can do better for yourself.

01:12:31.000 You can live an ethical, humane life with no animal products other than free-range eggs and be okay.

01:12:40.000 And just cut all the dairy out. 0.85

01:12:41.000 I have cut all the dairy out.

01:12:43.000 That's what I'm saying to anybody even listening to this.

01:12:45.000 You can have eggs and you can get plenty of it from...

01:12:49.000 There's a lot of plant-based protein that's very rich and powerful for you and excellent for you.

01:12:55.000 Hemp-based protein is really good.

01:12:57.000 Spirulina is fantastic for you.

01:12:59.000 There's a lot of really good...

01:13:00.000 Like, sources of nutrients, but you gotta really pay attention to what you're putting in your body.

01:13:04.000 If you just eat vegan pizza and vegan cookies all the time, you're gonna get jacked.

01:13:07.000 No, no, I know. 1.00

01:13:08.000 It's gonna fuck you up. 0.99

01:13:09.000 I know, you're right. 0.99

01:13:09.000 You're right. 0.99

01:13:10.000 And I do find myself craving, like, and maybe that's because I put it in, you know, the fucking... 0.98

01:13:17.000 Oh, yeah, that's gonna be there. 0.99

01:13:18.000 I mean, before I came here, I had a fucking, you know, blueberry bagel. 0.99

01:13:23.000 Woo! 0.99

01:13:24.000 It's great, right?

01:13:25.000 All those carbs.

01:13:26.000 You feel good when they're going in.

01:13:28.000 I had a panic attack, though.

01:13:29.000 I had a panic attack coming over here, and I really do.

01:13:32.000 You what?

01:13:33.000 I don't think that's what gave you the panic attack.

01:13:35.000 No, not specifically, but I think if you're feeling kind of shitty in general, you're more susceptible to it.

01:13:41.000 I think you're right, for sure.

01:13:43.000 Yeah, if you could just cut out the carbs, it's harder on a vegan diet, but it's possible.

01:13:48.000 But you've got to get a good book on it.

01:13:51.000 You've got to find out, like, there's really good vegan health books that can show you how to eat in the right way.

01:13:56.000 Do you go that way at all, or do you reject it?

01:14:00.000 Well, it's not that I reject it.

01:14:01.000 For me, I eat wild game, almost exclusively.

01:14:07.000 You hunted yourself.

01:14:08.000 Yeah, so I hunt the wild animals.

01:14:10.000 And if I shoot an elk, I get hundreds of pounds of meat.

01:14:12.000 And I eat that all year.

01:14:14.000 I have commercial freezers in the back.

01:14:16.000 I'll show you after the show.

01:14:17.000 I keep meat here.

01:14:18.000 I have meat at home.

01:14:19.000 I give meat to my friends.

01:14:20.000 And so my meat that I get is a wild animal that was going to get eaten by a wolf.

01:14:25.000 Like, if I didn't get it, I mean, this isn't a factory-farmed prisoner that gets led to slaughter.

01:14:31.000 This year, I got an elk in Utah, shot in Utah, and I also shot one in California, in a place called Tahone Ranch.

01:14:40.000 It's just...

01:14:41.000 It's a 270,000 acre ranch in the middle of the country.

01:14:44.000 Or middle of the state, rather.

01:14:45.000 But getting it that way, to me, it feels...

01:14:49.000 Before I started hunting, I decided I was either going to be a vegan or I was going to be a hunter.

01:14:53.000 I'm like, I'm going to figure out what I'm going to do.

01:14:55.000 I didn't want to eat factory-farmed food.

01:14:57.000 You didn't want to take part in that.

01:14:57.000 Hey, when you kill the elk, right?

01:15:01.000 When you shoot it, do you have, like, what's the feeling there?

01:15:05.000 That must be intense.

01:15:06.000 It's very intense.

01:15:08.000 There's definitely a moment of loss where you feel like, you know, this animal is gone now, you know?

01:15:13.000 But there's also a moment of reverence.

01:15:16.000 Yeah.

01:15:17.000 You've got to do it sustainably.

01:15:19.000 When I do it, I'm doing it in places that have extremely healthy populations.

01:15:23.000 You get an animal that's past its breeding prime.

01:15:26.000 You get an animal that's seven, eight, nine years old, where they really don't have much time left.

01:15:32.000 That's what you target.

01:15:33.000 People think when you target a trophy animal, like a big animal- So you're very specific about You know, what you're doing.

01:15:42.000 Very specific.

01:15:43.000 And I'm also specific about making it difficult, which is why I do it with a bow and arrow.

01:15:47.000 I don't, you know, I mean, I've hunted animals with rifles and I don't think there's anything wrong with it.

01:15:51.000 But for me, I feel like if I really want to make this a more even arrangement and make it more difficult and make it more ethical, I use a bow and arrow.

01:16:02.000 Yeah.

01:16:02.000 But there is that moment, huh?

01:16:04.000 Like, you know, you've killed it, and then you feel a sense of loss.

01:16:09.000 There is a sense of loss.

01:16:10.000 It's deep.

01:16:10.000 Yeah, it's deep.

01:16:11.000 But you know what?

01:16:12.000 We've run across a bunch of elk.

01:16:13.000 It's one of the things that once you get into the natural world and you really start understanding what's going on out there, you realize, like, no one gets out of this ride alive.

01:16:22.000 Like, the elk that I killed, he had holes all over his body.

01:16:27.000 All over his body when we were taking him apart, holes everywhere from other elk stabbing him. 0.67

01:16:33.000 That's what you look up there all that shit those those elk antlers those real that's real that's the one that I shot in September okay that those things are designed to kill their elk they slash each other they clash and smash those horns together and it's all to fight over breeding and the most powerful ones with the biggest antlers are the ones that get to breed and one of the best ways to ensure the health of this This group of animals is once this animal 0.93

01:17:03.000 has reached its breeding prime, that's the one you take out. 0.99

01:17:06.000 You take out the herd bull.

01:17:08.000 It allows the younger bulls to have an opportunity to breed, spread more genetics.

01:17:11.000 You actually know who is the...

01:17:13.000 You see the big dog, yeah.

01:17:14.000 You see the herd.

01:17:15.000 They call him the herd bull.

01:17:17.000 How did you learn that?

01:17:18.000 I got obsessed about five and a half years ago.

01:17:21.000 I got crazy with it.

01:17:22.000 You started researching food?

01:17:25.000 Yeah.

01:17:25.000 Well, I got obsessed before I actually went hunting, but I went hunting in 2012 was the first time I went.

01:17:32.000 And then once I did that, I was like, okay, this is what I'm doing now.

01:17:37.000 I'm like, this makes sense.

01:17:38.000 And it's difficult.

01:17:39.000 So it's a pursuit.

01:17:40.000 So my food now isn't just food that I got.

01:17:43.000 Now there's this intense connection with that food. 0.98

01:17:47.000 Nobody's got a fucking connection with their food. 0.99

01:17:50.000 Most people don't. 0.99

01:17:51.000 But the weird thing is, everyone did until about 100 years ago.

01:17:55.000 That's what's really crazy.

01:17:56.000 This is so new.

01:17:58.000 This is so new.

01:17:59.000 You go to 1917, everybody had probably seen an animal get killed on a farm.

01:18:04.000 On farms.

01:18:04.000 Yeah, I mean, everybody was—you were around it.

01:18:06.000 It was a normal thing.

01:18:07.000 You go to 1817, you couldn't avoid it. 0.87

01:18:10.000 You go to a marketplace, you go to a farmer, you go to—I mean, everybody—and then also, there was no pesticides.

01:18:16.000 The genetic manipulation of the food was nonexistent.

01:18:19.000 It was—everything was as it is in a natural state or in a cultivated state, where, you know, you're splicing things and doing, like, normal things that people do to improve fruits and vegetables.

01:18:35.000 Well, we've definitely gone away, you know, but that way that we've gone in the negative ways is terrible.

01:18:42.000 But in the positive ways of things like golden rice, that's like allowed thousands, if not millions of people to not starve to death because it's rice that was infused with protein.

01:18:52.000 There's a bunch of different things that we've done to ensure the shelf life of food, to get the food to hungry people, because these foods can last longer.

01:19:01.000 Tomatoes, they look kind of fucked up now because they're hard, but these also can stay on the shelves for a lot longer.

01:19:08.000 And this goes back to what we're talking about post-World War II. People were terrified of scarcity. 0.96

01:19:14.000 They were terrified of famine and they were terrified of the idea of going back to war again and not having a stockpile of food and resources.

01:19:22.000 So it's all bad now. 0.99

01:19:25.000 It's all bad when you go down the food aisle and most of this shit has sugar in it and simple refined carbohydrates and it's killing people and giving people cancer. 0.99

01:19:33.000 Do you shop just organic markets? 0.99

01:19:36.000 Mostly, yeah.

01:19:36.000 I try to get organic.

01:19:38.000 I try to go to farmer's markets too.

01:19:40.000 I like the feeling I go to a farmer's market.

01:19:43.000 I meet the guy who's growing the tomatoes. 1.00

01:19:45.000 You walk into fucking supermarkets and the bright lights, all the fucking cars. 1.00

01:19:51.000 It feels like you've walked into that corporate death. 1.00

01:19:54.000 And they call sugar white death, right?

01:19:57.000 Yeah, it is.

01:19:59.000 I have a sweet tooth too.

01:20:01.000 I have a lot of things to work on. 1.00

01:20:04.000 I get overwhelmed by that shit. 1.00

01:20:06.000 I get like, God damn it. 1.00

01:20:09.000 And check this out. 0.99

01:20:11.000 I've been working out with a trainer for the last year and a half, three times a week.

01:20:16.000 I like this guy a lot. 0.96

01:20:17.000 Yeah, but you know, I'm such an idiot that I work out with him and I'm like, well, I'm okay. 0.95

01:20:24.000 I'm good now. 1.00

01:20:25.000 I can have this shit. 1.00

01:20:27.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:20:27.000 It's insane what I do. 1.00

01:20:30.000 Like my little reward.

01:20:32.000 I'm a child who is like...

01:20:35.000 That's one of the reasons why you're so funny. 0.98

01:20:38.000 I gotta fucking change that other part of me. 0.98

01:20:41.000 And you know, it's so funny because we're having this conversation and what happens to me is I'll be driving home going, well, that's fucking it. 0.99

01:20:48.000 This is my state of mind. 0.99

01:20:51.000 I'll go, that's fucking it. 0.99

01:20:53.000 You know, this is... 0.99

01:20:55.000 Yeah, a fucking Rogan, you know, he just hammered home what I already know about, you know, it's got it, the sugar's gotta go, the processed carbs gotta go. 0.99

01:21:06.000 And then you see a cupcake. 1.00

01:21:08.000 And it's got thick frosting. 1.00

01:21:10.000 And then the fucking rationalizations and justifications of, well, it's fucking New Year. 0.99

01:21:15.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:16.000 It's almost Christmas.

01:21:17.000 It's almost Thanksgiving.

01:21:18.000 Thanksgiving is another 360 days.

01:21:21.000 Yeah.

01:21:22.000 It's normal.

01:21:22.000 Then I'm on a shoot in January and I'm like, they don't have any good food here.

01:21:29.000 I gotta have something.

01:21:30.000 You know what I mean?

01:21:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:31.000 Fuck, I'll have a cookie. 1.00

01:21:33.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:21:34.000 It's a bitch. 1.00

01:21:35.000 You gotta write it down. 1.00

01:21:36.000 Write down what you want to do.

01:21:37.000 Write down what you're allowed to eat.

01:21:39.000 A couple other people told me the write down thing helps.

01:21:44.000 Writing down things helps with everything.

01:21:48.000 Why is that?

01:21:49.000 Because now you have an obligation.

01:21:52.000 It's like one of the things that Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer, and Ari Shafir and I did Sober October.

01:21:58.000 Oh yeah.

01:21:59.000 I heard you talking about that.

01:22:01.000 No booze, no pop.

01:22:02.000 How'd you like that?

01:22:03.000 It was educational.

01:22:05.000 I think it's important to do.

01:22:06.000 I think it's good to do.

01:22:08.000 I like pot.

01:22:09.000 I'm a big fan.

01:22:09.000 And I like an occasional drink.

01:22:11.000 I like a glass of wine with dinner.

01:22:13.000 I like that.

01:22:13.000 But it's also good to abstain just to feel what it feels like.

01:22:16.000 You don't have an addictive personality, huh?

01:22:18.000 I do, but I don't.

01:22:19.000 I do, but I don't let it.

01:22:22.000 You will it. 1.00

01:22:23.000 Yeah, I keep that bitch in check. 1.00

01:22:24.000 But I could let it go crazy if I wanted to. 1.00

01:22:27.000 I quit pot because I felt interesting.

01:22:32.000 Like, I just would love to smoke all the time. 0.99

01:22:34.000 And I'd be like, well, this movie, I'd be like, this movie's gonna be great on a fucking joint. 0.98

01:22:40.000 It's I, Tonya. 0.98

01:22:42.000 It's gonna be intense. 0.98

01:22:44.000 Like, to me, what pot did, it was like, I'm going to CVS and If I smoke, it's gonna be a fun fucking trip because there's weirdos at CVS. Especially in Silver Lake. 0.96

01:23:01.000 But you know what I mean?

01:23:02.000 But what happened was that I felt like I wasn't doing my creative work.

01:23:08.000 Like what happened was the weed was taking me totally, again I'm a child, like taking me totally into this, I just want to pleasure myself the whole day and I couldn't buckle down and do work.

01:23:19.000 That's a real problem with comics.

01:23:21.000 A lot of us struggle with having the kind of discipline that's required to get work done. 0.99

01:23:29.000 It's like you're really funny, but you don't produce any new stuff because you're impulsive, because you're kind of silly. 0.99

01:23:37.000 What's the answer, man? 0.97

01:23:38.000 I think writing things down helps a lot.

01:23:40.000 Having rules.

01:23:41.000 I was going to say about this Sober October thing, I knew that I couldn't do any of this thing, and I knew that I had to do 15 90-minute yoga sessions in this month.

01:23:49.000 We had a rule, and we're also accountable to each other, so we all knew that we had to get this done.

01:23:55.000 Community again. 0.98

01:23:56.000 Community and and you know and talking shit to each other on text messages all the time You know like we were constantly fucking with each other and having a good time.

01:24:04.000 I mean it was really fun It was really fun, but it was also very educational but knowing that I have these requirements so I give myself requirements I write down things Every day? 0.71

01:24:13.000 Every month?

01:24:14.000 Every week.

01:24:15.000 Every week.

01:24:16.000 Occasionally it's daily. 0.99

01:24:17.000 This is like a big list of shit I have to do. 0.99

01:24:19.000 But like I have to write five days a week. 0.99

01:24:23.000 I have to write for one hour five days a week.

01:24:26.000 That's where the stuff comes from.

01:24:28.000 And if I write more hours, great.

01:24:31.000 That's great, but at least five hours a week.

01:24:34.000 And if I miss a day, if something happens, the next day I require two hours.

01:24:38.000 Okay, so you stick to a plan.

01:24:41.000 You have to.

01:24:42.000 And you do that with food?

01:24:44.000 Yes.

01:24:44.000 See, that's what's missing.

01:24:45.000 I do also, for food, I do intermittent fasting.

01:24:48.000 This is my rule, where I only eat for 10 hours a day.

01:24:51.000 So for 14 hours a day, I don't eat at all.

01:24:54.000 So whatever that cutoff is, so say if I eat my last meal, my last bite of food is at 8 p.m., I don't eat until 10 o'clock in the morning the next day.

01:25:02.000 Period. 0.99

01:25:03.000 So if I get up at 7, that means for 3 hours I'm not eating shit. 0.99

01:25:06.000 I'll work out. 0.99

01:25:08.000 Without food in you?

01:25:09.000 Yeah, I do a lot of workouts with no food in me.

01:25:12.000 That's cool to do.

01:25:13.000 I always think, oh, I'm going to get blood sugar and pass out. 1.00

01:25:16.000 No, that's bullshit, huh? 1.00

01:25:17.000 Yeah, you'll be fine. 1.00

01:25:18.000 You'll be fine.

01:25:19.000 It's just harder.

01:25:20.000 You don't feel good while you're doing it.

01:25:22.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:25:23.000 But if you get used to doing it...

01:25:24.000 Do you have coffee?

01:25:26.000 Yeah, I'll have a cup of coffee.

01:25:27.000 That helps suppress your appetite and gives you a little pick-me-up.

01:25:32.000 It's a psychological boost, you know, like, have a nice cup of coffee and then I'll go hit the gym.

01:25:36.000 But I definitely feel better if I have something to eat first, you know?

01:25:40.000 It's amazing how I resist structure.

01:25:42.000 Of course, you're funny, man.

01:25:44.000 This is a reoccurring theme with so many of my funny friends.

01:25:48.000 It is.

01:25:48.000 Yeah, crazy, impulsive, funny.

01:25:50.000 But you're also the guy where if there's a group of people sitting around and they're all a bunch of fucking suits and they're all boring people, I'm going to gravitate immediately to you because you and I are going to talk real. 1.00

01:26:02.000 We're going to be silly and you're going to say some fucked up shit that I'm going to laugh at and we're going to be slapping each other in the back. 1.00

01:26:08.000 That's what you do, man. 1.00

01:26:15.000 Manage. 0.99

01:26:15.000 You know what the fuck it is partly with me? 0.99

01:26:18.000 I swear to God, you know, I'm so anti-corporate. 0.99

01:26:21.000 I'm so kind of anti-government. 1.00

01:26:24.000 I don't know what this anti-authoritarian streak, you know, it might have been for my dad who was the Sicilian motherfucker, right? 1.00

01:26:31.000 I... Any kind of constriction. 0.99

01:26:36.000 Right, but stop and think about this.

01:26:38.000 You're talking in a microphone that was made by a corporation.

01:26:40.000 You got here.

01:26:41.000 I texted you on your phone, which was made by slave labor in China. 0.98

01:26:45.000 You got here in your car, which was probably constructed overseas, right?

01:26:50.000 Yeah, Honda.

01:26:51.000 Yeah, see?

01:26:52.000 We need corporations. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Because you and I are not going to build fucking planes, okay? 0.99

01:26:59.000 Boeing is required to make sure those planes get done correctly. 0.99

01:27:04.000 I just want them to do it in a way that's egalitarian and not fucking over people. 1.00

01:27:10.000 But it's just like, it's really convenient to put that Che Guevara t-shirt on and fuck... 1.00

01:27:15.000 I am that guy. 1.00

01:27:16.000 I am that guy. 1.00

01:27:18.000 Fuck society, man. 1.00

01:27:19.000 I mean, it's so tempting. 1.00

01:27:21.000 And your inclinations are all correct.

01:27:24.000 Your heart is in the right place.

01:27:26.000 Your instincts are all good. 0.98

01:27:28.000 It's like you don't want people to get fucked over and you rightly realize that a lot of this Materialism and this fucking corporate bullshit is pointless if like you said at the beginning of this podcast We are all going to die and we need to face that and stop just collecting shit and instead work on having a great experience in the moment because this moment is That you have right now. 0.97

01:27:50.000 This is all you ever have is the moment. 0.98

01:27:53.000 You can plan to make that moment better in the future with more discipline and more structure and more happiness and even more like scheduling community events and scheduling things.

01:28:04.000 You know military guys.

01:28:06.000 It's hilarious that I don't know any military guys.

01:28:08.000 I know a lot.

01:28:09.000 Yeah, I know a lot.

01:28:10.000 Is the discipline good for them?

01:28:12.000 Gigantic.

01:28:13.000 Huge.

01:28:13.000 My friend Jocko, he wrote, Jocko Willink wrote a book called Discipline Equals Freedom.

01:28:18.000 See, that's what I need to fucking go toward. 0.91

01:28:21.000 You need to follow Jocko. 0.97

01:28:23.000 Every morning at 430 in the morning, he posts a picture of his watch as he gets up to work out.

01:28:27.000 What's his name?

01:28:28.000 Jocko Willink.

01:28:30.000 I'll send you his Instagram after this. 1.00

01:28:32.000 But he's like a bonafide savage, a Navy SEAL, and the guy's a goddamn animal. 0.99

01:28:38.000 And every morning at 4.30, he works out, and then he goes and watches the sun come up on the beach. 0.99

01:28:43.000 And that is his reward.

01:28:45.000 That's his reward.

01:28:47.000 So he gives himself that.

01:28:48.000 And then he gets all this stuff done that he has to do during the day.

01:28:51.000 See the aftermath.

01:28:52.000 He'll post pictures of his...

01:28:56.000 Go to his actual page and see all the photos of his watch.

01:28:59.000 4.32am.

01:29:00.000 There he's up.

01:29:02.000 Is his heart in the right place, too?

01:29:04.000 He's a good guy.

01:29:05.000 Great guy.

01:29:06.000 Great guy.

01:29:06.000 And he spends a lot of his time right now doing these corporate seminars and explaining to people the importance of leadership and discipline and that.

01:29:17.000 This is how you get things done.

01:29:19.000 This is how you feel better.

01:29:20.000 This is how you relieve yourself of your demons and your tension.

01:29:23.000 And his concept of discipline equals freedom really resonates.

01:29:27.000 Because if you have the discipline to get things done, then you feel like... 0.94

01:29:31.000 I don't feel good unless I've accomplished the shit I need to do. 0.90

01:29:35.000 But when I have accomplished the shit I need to do, then I like to... 0.99

01:29:40.000 You've earned it. 0.99

01:29:41.000 Yeah, watch a boxing match or some television show that I enjoy.

01:29:45.000 I can enjoy it, where I don't have anxiety. 0.98

01:29:48.000 I have fucking anxiety if I don't get things done. 0.92

01:29:51.000 Yeah, I think that's, you know, it's funny because, you know, I started the podcast talking about anxiety, and I'm thinking it's all about community and disconnection. 0.98

01:29:59.000 And for me, it may be this just amorphous kind of daze I have instead of fucking, you know, going, okay, I'm going to do this, this, and this.

01:30:10.000 To give me a little structure, that would probably alleviate a bunch of anxiety. 0.72

01:30:13.000 It would alleviate a bunch of it.

01:30:14.000 But community is important too, man. 0.97

01:30:16.000 We fucking need each other. 0.94

01:30:18.000 We were talking about the comedy store, and I wish everybody had something like the comedy store. 0.99

01:30:23.000 I used to have a pool hall that I used to go to that was like that.

01:30:28.000 Everywhere I would be, I'd be like, I can't wait to get back to Executive Billiards and hang out with all my friends.

01:30:32.000 And it was like this freak show where it was all these weirdos and gamblers.

01:30:38.000 White Plains, New York.

01:30:38.000 Oh, okay.

01:30:39.000 And all these weirdos and gamblers and strange little outcasts of society and lifelong bachelors who were in their 70s. 0.71

01:30:48.000 And we'd all get together and laugh and hang out until fucking 4 o'clock in the morning and then go get something to eat. 0.67

01:30:53.000 And, you know, it was a comic, but this was like a home-based game. 0.77

01:30:56.000 Yeah.

01:30:57.000 And I think the comedy store, in a lot of ways, is like a home base.

01:30:59.000 Comics used to hang out at delis.

01:31:01.000 Yes!

01:31:02.000 Yeah, delis. 1.00

01:31:03.000 Hey, let's wrap this bitch up. 1.00

01:31:04.000 It's two o'clock already. 0.99

01:31:05.000 Okay.

01:31:06.000 How quick was that?

01:31:07.000 Just went by.

01:31:07.000 That was great.

01:31:08.000 Eddie, I had a good time, man.

01:31:09.000 I had a great time.

01:31:10.000 I had a great time, and I think I'm going to change my life. 1.00

01:31:13.000 Change your fucking life, Eddie Pepitone! 1.00

01:31:17.000 God damn it. 1.00

01:31:17.000 Follow Eddie on Twitter and you're on Instagram as well. 1.00

01:31:20.000 Yeah.

01:31:21.000 Eddie Pepitone on both of those?

01:31:22.000 Eddie Pep on Instagram.

01:31:23.000 Eddie Pep.

01:31:24.000 Eddie Pepitone on Twitter.

01:31:25.000 Eddie Pep, ladies and gentlemen.

01:31:26.000 Ba-boom. 0.66

The Joe Rogan Experience - December 28, 2017

Joe Rogan Experience #1057 - Eddie Pepitone

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