The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1137 - Duncan Trussell

00:00:07.000 I'm teaching Duncan the ways of a Windows laptop. 0.99

00:00:11.000 I fucking love it. 1.00

00:00:12.000 Mac's keyboards can go fuck themselves. 1.00

00:00:15.000 Those are terrible keyboards. 1.00

00:00:17.000 They're not designed for comfort and writing.

00:00:20.000 This whole idea of get it thinner, man.

00:00:22.000 Get it thinner and thinner.

00:00:24.000 Get it so it's a piece of paper and it magically unfolds and expands to the right side.

00:00:29.000 This is not too thick.

00:00:33.000 Yeah.

00:00:33.000 How come they can do it?

00:00:34.000 How come you guys can't do it? 1.00

00:00:36.000 How come you only offer one shitty-ass fucking keyboard? 0.99

00:00:39.000 Find out if your MacBook qualified for Apple's keyboard repair program. 1.00

00:00:43.000 I don't want you to repair the same shitty keyboard.

00:00:45.000 I want you to make a real keyboard where it's got a little bit of a U-shape to it, where your finger goes into the center.

00:00:54.000 What is that called?

00:00:54.000 How do they describe that?

00:00:56.000 And the keys have like a little bit of a dip to them in the middle.

00:01:00.000 You feel where they are.

00:01:02.000 Yeah, dimpled, perhaps.

00:01:03.000 You feel where they are.

00:01:05.000 They have travel.

00:01:06.000 So your fingers know what's going on.

00:01:08.000 You get tactile feedback.

00:01:10.000 More tactile feedback than this little clickety-click thing, which you might as well be doing it on an iPad.

00:01:17.000 You know how you have an iPad keyboard?

00:01:19.000 Yeah.

00:01:19.000 And it kind of works, but it kind of doesn't.

00:01:21.000 Yeah.

00:01:21.000 Because your fingers are all feeling the same thing every time.

00:01:23.000 Sure.

00:01:24.000 You want individual buttons that give you individual feedback, so you don't have to think about what's happening.

00:01:29.000 You can just think about the words.

00:01:30.000 It feels like they hired an alien at Apple that forgot that humans like to push buttons.

00:01:38.000 We like it.

00:01:39.000 It feels good.

00:01:40.000 It feels good. 0.98

00:01:41.000 They're ignoring a basic human trait, which is like, have you seen those dumb cubes nervous people get? 0.99

00:01:49.000 They've got buttons and shit and you spin it around. 0.97

00:01:52.000 It was the same thing as this thing. 0.94

00:01:53.000 It gives you this tactile little thing where you take all that extra energy and you put it in your stress ball.

00:02:00.000 People like to punch and press and click and switch and that's what Apple forgot.

00:02:06.000 It's like when I'm typing, man, I like that click, click.

00:02:10.000 Like in The Shining, when you hear, that means I'm typing.

00:02:16.000 I like the sound.

00:02:17.000 The flutter of the keys as you're writing. 1.00

00:02:19.000 That fucking Apple keyboard, man. 1.00

00:02:22.000 When I went in, I was so ready to buy a brand new MacBook Pro. 1.00

00:02:26.000 So excited.

00:02:28.000 Really excited.

00:02:29.000 Mine's from like 2014 or 2015. I mean, not to be a fucking Apple fanboy, but I will say that when I went in there with it, instead of trying to sell me the new MacBook, she looked at it and was like, 0.73

00:02:47.000 what are you doing on the thing? 0.97

00:02:49.000 And I'm like, oh, I edit sound.

00:02:50.000 And she was like, I don't know that you even need a new one outside of the fact that it's new.

00:02:56.000 Whoever you are, young lady.

00:02:59.000 Odin blesses you.

00:03:01.000 Odin blesses you.

00:03:02.000 Odin blesses you for your truth.

00:03:04.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:03:05.000 And for your wisdom.

00:03:07.000 Dude, I was so shocked.

00:03:09.000 We don't need this computing power.

00:03:12.000 I was stunned, man.

00:03:13.000 Because I've never...

00:03:15.000 And that moment has kind of made me perpetually love Apple. 0.96

00:03:19.000 Because they're training their employees not to pressure sell shit, but just to actually help. 0.97

00:03:25.000 They probably were out of stock. 0.99

00:03:27.000 Yeah.

00:03:28.000 She couldn't sell you one anyway.

00:03:30.000 She's like, dude, you don't even want one! 1.00

00:03:32.000 She's probably quitting. 1.00

00:03:34.000 She's quitting. 1.00

00:03:35.000 She's sick of her job. 1.00

00:03:36.000 For the last four days, she's been telling everyone, no matter what they came in to buy, she's like, you know, you don't need this. 1.00

00:03:41.000 Her boss has been saying creepy shit to her. 0.99

00:03:43.000 She's been ready to quit for a while. 1.00

00:03:45.000 He's an asshole. 1.00

00:03:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

00:03:47.000 No, okay, Mark.

00:03:48.000 Okay, I'm gonna go out on the floor, Mark.

00:03:50.000 Jessica, I've noticed your sales have gone to zero.

00:03:52.000 Hey, move those new laptops, will ya?

00:03:55.000 Yeah, sure, Mark.

00:03:58.000 Mark's got a creepy wink.

00:04:00.000 Yeah.

00:04:01.000 Can you get away with that at work?

00:04:02.000 What can you do now?

00:04:04.000 If you're like, hey, Susie, make sure you have that copy done to personnel by two.

00:04:11.000 No.

00:04:12.000 Can't do that.

00:04:13.000 Hell no.

00:04:13.000 You can't wink and go.

00:04:14.000 You definitely can't do the gun.

00:04:17.000 Nope.

00:04:18.000 Unless you're doing it to everybody.

00:04:19.000 If you're in a meeting, you could go.

00:04:21.000 No, because then you're a mass shooter.

00:04:23.000 Oh.

00:04:25.000 You can't do it to one person.

00:04:27.000 You can't do it to a group of people.

00:04:28.000 You can't make the finger gun anymore.

00:04:30.000 The finger gun's gone.

00:04:31.000 You can't do...

00:04:33.000 You know, we're both...

00:04:35.000 We have cool jobs, dude.

00:04:36.000 So, like, I have to imagine that that's gone.

00:04:39.000 Like, you know, in my house, the finger gun's not gone.

00:04:42.000 I shoot my dogs every day in front of my wife. 0.97

00:04:45.000 I like looking at her cavaliers and being like, bam, bam, dead. 0.99

00:04:49.000 Now what?

00:04:50.000 Now what?

00:04:53.000 You can't even play around anymore.

00:04:55.000 I love those dogs.

00:04:55.000 But it's like there's no room for nuance.

00:04:57.000 Because there are crazy people that do shoot people, you can't pretend to shoot people anymore.

00:05:02.000 Dude, this is it, man. 1.00

00:05:04.000 This is exactly the fucking problem of being interconnected by technology, is that we are paying for the sins of the small percentile of absolute dumbasses on the planet. 1.00

00:05:19.000 And because of that, you know, anytime I look at a sign, Any sign that's got an obvious thing in it, don't shit in the hot tub or on the roller coaster, don't get out of your seat. 1.00

00:05:32.000 When I look at that, I think, that's because of dumb, dumb, dumb, because there might be a person who's in the roller coaster who's like, oh, stand up! 0.99

00:05:42.000 It'll be more fun! 0.99

00:05:45.000 Didn't mean to do a southern accent, by the way.

00:05:47.000 I'm from the south. 0.99

00:05:48.000 I don't think they're all dumb. 0.99

00:05:51.000 This is too many people talking. 0.98

00:05:53.000 There's too many people talking in this world.

00:05:56.000 Didn't used to be like that.

00:05:57.000 This is a new thing.

00:05:58.000 For the last 10 years, people started talking.

00:06:02.000 Yeah.

00:06:02.000 Nope.

00:06:03.000 The average person didn't have a voice 20 years ago.

00:06:06.000 There's great things to anyone having a voice.

00:06:10.000 Great things.

00:06:11.000 Great.

00:06:11.000 Great things.

00:06:12.000 Yeah.

00:06:12.000 But we're gonna have to relearn human communication.

00:06:16.000 Right.

00:06:16.000 We can't use the old rules for today.

00:06:19.000 It just can't work.

00:06:21.000 It can't work. 1.00

00:06:22.000 And it's too easy to be an asshole. 0.99

00:06:25.000 People gotta stop seeking that out. 1.00

00:06:29.000 The lashing out at people for no reason.

00:06:33.000 It's so crazy how many people do it. 1.00

00:06:36.000 You'll see someone post something and someone will be like, fuck you, you dumb piece of shit. 1.00

00:06:40.000 Don't you realize that this is why this and that is why that? 1.00

00:06:44.000 You know Stephen Kotler?

00:06:46.000 He's been on the show a few times.

00:06:47.000 He's awesome.

00:06:49.000 He's doing this new psychedelic study, psychedelics and flow states.

00:06:52.000 So I retweeted Because he's like, they're doing research right now.

00:06:57.000 They need people to fill out a survey.

00:06:59.000 So I retweeted that to help Steven out.

00:07:02.000 Just like, ah, cool.

00:07:03.000 Yeah, that's a cool thing.

00:07:04.000 I think psychedelics probably do induce flow states.

00:07:06.000 I'd like to find out for sure.

00:07:09.000 But within like six comments, it's still up there if y'all want to look.

00:07:14.000 Some dude wrote to me something along the lines of like, You're hurting people and don't even know it.

00:07:21.000 That's six down.

00:07:22.000 It's like, hurting people? 0.99

00:07:24.000 I can't remember what language he used, but it's like, what the fuck? 0.99

00:07:27.000 This is a survey, dude. 0.99

00:07:29.000 What are you talking about?

00:07:30.000 Maybe he means by retweeting surveys, that sucks, because no one wants to see that on their timeline, but I think he meant you're hurting people by demystifying and destigmatizing psychedelics.

00:07:43.000 Yeah.

00:07:45.000 Little do you know, you're funding cruelty.

00:07:48.000 Funding!

00:07:49.000 Funding cruelty!

00:07:51.000 I like how you just said, huh?

00:07:53.000 Because I want the explanation because it's like when someone says something like that, it's so terribly, absolutely, impossibly wrong from my reality tunnel that it's like I want to get in their reality tunnel and hear because that guy really believes it.

00:08:08.000 Or he's a troll. 0.76

00:08:09.000 It could be he's a troll. 0.99

00:08:10.000 It could be that he's had terrible experiences with psychedelics. 0.95

00:08:16.000 That's, you know, maybe he's one of those guys that had a real, you know, look.

00:08:21.000 When people get really into something, they want everybody to get into it.

00:08:24.000 I'm a terrible example of that.

00:08:26.000 I'm telling everybody, you gotta do yoga, you gotta do yoga.

00:08:28.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:08:29.000 This happens with everything.

00:08:32.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:33.000 And people that get sober, like, people that have a real problem, they have, like...

00:08:38.000 We all know someone who's gone off the deep end with drugs, right?

00:08:41.000 When they come out of that, some folks turn into evangelists for sobriety.

00:08:47.000 And it gets super annoying.

00:08:49.000 And one of the things they do is they demonize all positive experiences that were with the same substance as their negative experience. 0.99

00:08:58.000 In their fucking crazy head, they've decided because they had a bad trip, every trip is bad. 1.00

00:09:04.000 The millions of people tripping all over the world, taking mushrooms, finding God and love and companionship and harmony with the universe and acceptance of their mortality, all that doesn't count because Billy couldn't keep his shit together at the Pink Floyd concert because this fucking asshole decided to eat the entire... 1.00

00:09:24.000 The entire bag of mushrooms. 1.00

00:09:26.000 And he tripped his balls off and was screaming they had to take him to the hospital. 0.75

00:09:30.000 And he called his ex-girlfriend and cried to her for hours. 0.98

00:09:34.000 And now her boyfriend, the new boyfriend, wants to beat him up and he doesn't even remember doing it. 1.00

00:09:38.000 That guy's an idiot, okay? 1.00

00:09:41.000 There's a lot of those people out there. 1.00

00:09:42.000 A lot of them.

00:09:43.000 A whole lot of them.

00:09:45.000 And there's people that just aren't geared for psychedelics for whatever reason. 0.99

00:09:49.000 You know, there's people that are like really close to losing their shit with regular reality. 0.99

00:09:54.000 For sure. 0.96

00:09:55.000 And for them it's not a good idea.

00:09:56.000 It's not a good idea.

00:09:58.000 Absolutely.

00:09:58.000 That's definitely something that like in my old age I want to put in like Italics and underlined, that's what you just said.

00:10:07.000 Because when I was younger, when you're younger and you are in that evangelical part of your psychedelic life, you can become, like, if you're not careful, ridiculous and irresponsible, and you start throwing out there this, like...

00:10:23.000 Idea that is not only fundamentally wrong, it's fundamentally wrong in everything, as far as I'm concerned, which is there's not really one cure to your troubles.

00:10:34.000 You know what I mean?

00:10:35.000 But with psychedelics, people think, this is the answer.

00:10:39.000 This is the answer.

00:10:40.000 This is it.

00:10:40.000 This is what we need.

00:10:41.000 And it's like, well, it's part of what some people need.

00:10:45.000 But if you've got manic depression, for example, if you've got bipolar, you know...

00:10:51.000 Dude, I had this moment where some parents came up to me and were, did I tell you about this?

00:10:57.000 They came in to talk to me at a show and they were like talking about how their kid liked my podcast and And it was really sad because he had been at one of my podcasts, and I think he'd come on stage to ask a question or something,

00:11:14.000 and they were looking for a recording of the live show because they thought maybe they could hear him talk or get some, like, his laughter or something.

00:11:23.000 But anyway, what happened was he—I think he had some kind of— Bipolar, I'm not sure what, but one of my friends, Raven, he uses the term gyro.

00:11:35.000 His gyro was off a little bit, you know?

00:11:37.000 Something was off a little bit.

00:11:38.000 But anyway, the kid went and did ayahuasca in Peru.

00:11:44.000 He did an eight-night...

00:11:47.000 You know how they're doing these?

00:11:49.000 I don't know how they do it every night or every other night.

00:11:52.000 Eight-night retreat, drinking the medicine every night.

00:11:55.000 And then after that...

00:11:57.000 Went to some kind of, like, other shaman or some woman.

00:12:01.000 I don't know who it was.

00:12:02.000 I'm not sure of the deets.

00:12:04.000 But then he came home and he jumped off a waterfall and killed himself.

00:12:10.000 Because what had happened is he was in a manic state.

00:12:17.000 It triggered a manic state.

00:12:20.000 And he killed himself.

00:12:22.000 Jesus.

00:12:25.000 That was ayahuasca.

00:12:26.000 You know, that's like the medicine, right?

00:12:28.000 And so it just for some reason, I think some people are de-emphasizing what it means to be healed by a psychedelic or to be worked on by a psychedelic or to enter into that state because it's becoming,

00:12:46.000 thank God, de-stigmatized.

00:12:49.000 Much more so.

00:12:50.000 Do you remember how it was 20 years ago?

00:12:52.000 Dude.

00:12:53.000 You couldn't even talk about it.

00:12:55.000 Couldn't talk about it.

00:12:56.000 Couldn't mention it.

00:12:57.000 It was bad, bad, bad drugs.

00:12:59.000 It was heroin.

00:13:00.000 Yeah.

00:13:00.000 It was on the same level as, like, if you were taking LSD, that was like heroin, man.

00:13:06.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:13:07.000 People would look at you like you're crazy.

00:13:09.000 And then there's also, you know, there's real problems that people have with being tested at work.

00:13:14.000 A lot of people get tested at work and people are worried about losing their jobs. 0.79

00:13:17.000 So drugs don't just become a thing where you could fuck up and, you know, and get addicted to them.

00:13:22.000 But now they become a thing that could take away your livelihood.

00:13:25.000 Yeah.

00:13:25.000 Take away your livelihood.

00:13:26.000 They check your pee.

00:13:28.000 They put this state of paranoia on their employees.

00:13:31.000 Just imagine that feeling.

00:13:32.000 You're working for some office.

00:13:34.000 You probably don't dig the gig anyway.

00:13:35.000 You don't even like it. 0.59

00:13:37.000 And they have to check your piss every now and then.

00:13:39.000 They don't let you know when.

00:13:41.000 Duncan, can I see you for a moment?

00:13:42.000 Hi, Duncan.

00:13:43.000 It's that time of the year. 1.00

00:13:44.000 Random drug test. 1.00

00:13:45.000 So I'm just going to have to go with you and watch you pull your penis out and put it into this cup and give me a little sample of your body fluids. 1.00

00:13:53.000 Okay, baby. 1.00

00:13:54.000 Okay?

00:13:55.000 Yeah.

00:13:56.000 Whatever you want.

00:13:56.000 What if that didn't work anymore?

00:13:58.000 What if they figured a way around it so they had to collect your shit? 1.00

00:14:00.000 I need to see you shit. 1.00

00:14:02.000 I need to see your asshole open up. 1.00

00:14:04.000 And I need to see that tube come out into this Tupperware container. 1.00

00:14:07.000 Yeah.

00:14:07.000 And I'm gonna be there.

00:14:08.000 Yeah, that'd be...

00:14:09.000 Thank God.

00:14:09.000 In a way, thank God that's how they detect drugs.

00:14:12.000 Thank God it's through the piss. 0.78

00:14:14.000 Thank God it's not like you... 1.00

00:14:16.000 You know, like, probably, I don't know this for sure, but I bet every asshole has a thumbprint. 1.00

00:14:21.000 Like, you know, everybody has a different thumbprint. 1.00

00:14:23.000 I bet, like, if you took asshole prints, every human would also have, like, a different asshole print. 0.99

00:14:29.000 And, like... 1.00

00:14:30.000 Can you imagine if that was true?

00:14:32.000 If you could see in fingerprints, like, oh look, it gives you the ingredients. 1.00

00:14:36.000 This guy's like 60% asshole. 1.00

00:14:38.000 It says it. 1.00

00:14:39.000 We just didn't look at this. 0.99

00:14:40.000 No, I don't mean asshole. 1.00

00:14:41.000 I mean the literal asshole. 1.00

00:14:43.000 Oh. 1.00

00:14:44.000 Like if you take a person's asshole and put like... 1.00

00:14:46.000 Oh, like an asshole print, like a retina scan. 1.00

00:14:48.000 Put it on ink. 1.00

00:14:49.000 Yeah, like a retina scan.

00:14:54.000 It's the brown eye retina scan. 1.00

00:14:56.000 Everyone, for sure, probably the asshole has a thumbprint. 1.00

00:15:00.000 Probably, for sure. 1.00

00:15:01.000 For sure. 1.00

00:15:01.000 So if you took psychedelics, and it caused that thumbprint to change a little bit, and that's how they told words, they don't even want to look at your shit. 1.00

00:15:09.000 They have to scan your ass. 1.00

00:15:13.000 The print changed. 1.00

00:15:14.000 You did mescaline. 0.75

00:15:16.000 We're lucky it's in the piss.

00:15:18.000 But also, if you really think about the fact that we are in a... 0.65

00:15:22.000 World where people have to go, To work, to do a job that, by the way, man, if there is a dude you need to get on this podcast and there's a book that you would love, David Graeber wrote this book called Bullshit Jobs. 0.99

00:15:37.000 This guy is a fucking genius, man. 0.81

00:15:40.000 And this book, Bullshit Jobs, breaks down the phenomena of how many, many people are working in jobs that don't do anything for the world or the company they're working for. 1.00

00:15:52.000 And it's not like this judgmental thing where he's like, Yeah, that's a bullshit job. 1.00

00:15:56.000 You're a blah, blah, blah. 0.99

00:15:58.000 He's like an anthropologist, so he's very precise. 1.00

00:16:00.000 But one of the qualifications for your job to be a bullshit job is you know that it's really kind of a worthless job. 0.98

00:16:08.000 It's not really doing anything. 0.98

00:16:10.000 And companies have gotten so fucking big That they end up having departments or people running departments or extra employees that don't really need to be there at all.

00:16:23.000 And they have to pretend to work.

00:16:28.000 That's what he writes about.

00:16:29.000 He writes that if you really want to torture a person, not only give them the job of pouring a glass of water in an empty glass and pouring it back, But then add to it that they have to deceive their boss into thinking that they're doing an important job or they lose their job.

00:16:52.000 So not only are these some corporations and companies scanning your piss to see if you're taking a substance that is allowing you to connect with home what you actually are, they're also demanding that you spend many hours a day lying to To them that you're doing work that you're not doing. 0.93

00:17:14.000 If you're fucking efficient, you know, and this is another thing Graeber writes about. 0.93

00:17:19.000 Forgive me, David Graeber, if in any way I misconstrue this, I read your writings stoned. 0.99

00:17:28.000 The other fucking element to it that is absolutely atrocious and fucking horrible is that these substances are connecting us to home. 0.99

00:17:40.000 They don't want us to be in those states and they're asking us to fucking lie all day. 0.99

00:17:45.000 And you know what psychedelic means? 0.96

00:17:47.000 The etymology of psychedelic?

00:17:49.000 No.

00:17:50.000 It means mind manifesting or soul manifesting, right?

00:17:55.000 So a psychedelic connects us potentially with the truth, what we are, our identity, right?

00:18:03.000 And these companies, they're asking us to lie, to be the opposite of our identities, to wear a weird suit or some kind of dress code, and to sit in a desk where, because you're efficient, you get your job done in 45 minutes,

00:18:18.000 and for the next six hours, you've got to sit and...

00:18:23.000 Type and pretend that you're working knowing you're a person and knowing that this is unethical.

00:18:30.000 But if you go and tell your boss, hey man, I don't really have much to do.

00:18:36.000 You might get fired.

00:18:40.000 In the book, he cites one person, because he did a survey, and he cites one person who went to her boss, and she's like, hey, I can finish my job in two hours.

00:18:49.000 Can I have other stuff to do?

00:18:51.000 And her boss is like, don't talk about that.

00:18:53.000 Stay quiet about that.

00:18:56.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:18:57.000 That's the fucking world we're in right now because of automation. 0.99

00:19:00.000 There's less to do. 1.00

00:19:02.000 Computers are making shit fast. 0.96

00:19:03.000 Why are we working the exact same amount of time we were when there were no computers? 0.98

00:19:07.000 But you have to be there to get paid.

00:19:09.000 And you have to act like you're doing something or they can you.

00:19:12.000 Yeah.

00:19:13.000 How many people right now are doing just that while they're listening to this?

00:19:17.000 A lot.

00:19:18.000 A lot.

00:19:19.000 And by the way...

00:19:20.000 If you had a guess... 0.99

00:19:21.000 What percentage of people are listening right now that are really supposed to be doing some bullshit job? 0.99

00:19:27.000 And they're kind of sitting in front of their keyboard with earbuds on, just barely paying attention, trying not to get caught looking at porn? 0.99

00:19:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:19:36.000 Probably all over the planet, over a million.

00:19:40.000 Over a million in the workforce, probably.

00:19:43.000 When do you think companies had to put in rules that you can't look at porn at work?

00:19:48.000 Like that wasn't a thing in the 70s.

00:19:51.000 It wasn't a thing in the 80s.

00:19:53.000 It wasn't a thing in the 90s.

00:19:56.000 Then all of a sudden, you could just find porn online.

00:20:02.000 And people, they have a work computer that's hooked up to the internet.

00:20:04.000 Like, when did companies start going, oh, yeah, we didn't know about that.

00:20:08.000 Yeah, you can't look at that.

00:20:09.000 Dude, I mean, I'm sure it started with, like, Penthouse, right? 0.97

00:20:12.000 Like, when they had Penthouse, like, Penthouse magazine, like, when you had fucking, like, you know. 0.98

00:20:16.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.94

00:20:17.000 For sure it started with magazines. 1.00

00:20:18.000 You couldn't bring your Penthouse, your fucking hustler, to work. 0.99

00:20:21.000 That's true, but looking at something online is so much easier than going to the store and getting a hustler. 1.00

00:20:28.000 Like, the access is universal, instantaneous.

00:20:33.000 Everyone has the ability to just go and download it. 0.99

00:20:36.000 You know, if we're gonna, like, ask questions that are impossible to answer, like, how many people right now do you think listening to the podcast are in their bullshit job jerking off to porn while they listen? 0.99

00:20:48.000 At least one dude. 0.99

00:20:49.000 Yeah.

00:20:53.000 For sure, that's what dudes do. 0.99

00:20:55.000 If they can get away with it, they jerk off. 0.99

00:20:57.000 Especially a guy with a bad job who could find a way to jerk off somewhere. 1.00

00:21:01.000 Let me just keep five minutes in this bathroom and jerk off so I don't have to think about this stupid fucking job. 1.00

00:21:06.000 Dude, come on. 1.00

00:21:07.000 That's like sexual assault. 1.00

00:21:10.000 Jerking off in an office? 1.00

00:21:11.000 What if you scream? 0.98

00:21:14.000 Everyone knows.

00:21:15.000 Hey, I'm gonna go in there. 0.99

00:21:17.000 I'm gonna jerk off. 0.99

00:21:18.000 When I come, I scream. 1.00

00:21:19.000 That's sexual assault. 0.97

00:21:20.000 Oh, for sure.

00:21:21.000 Well, that is. 0.99

00:21:22.000 I fucking feel like suing you right now, man. 1.00

00:21:25.000 That's fucked up. 1.00

00:21:27.000 Can you imagine? 0.99

00:21:28.000 You work with some guy and he's like 300 pounds and you're like 150 pounds.

00:21:34.000 And you're like, hey man, I need to figure out how to fix this computer.

00:21:38.000 We're going to have to unplug everything for a while.

00:21:40.000 He goes, okay, cool. 0.98

00:21:41.000 I'm going to go in the bathroom, and I'm going to jerk off. 0.99

00:21:43.000 And when I come, I scream. 0.99

00:21:46.000 Dude, I don't know why you even have to add the scream to it.

00:21:49.000 What I'm saying is just even for a dude, it's a terrible prospect. 0.99

00:21:53.000 I think it's interesting, too, because when you consider the act of shitting versus the act of jerking off, it's far more repulsive. 0.99

00:22:02.000 You're expelling foul-smelling toxins from your body into the toilet. 0.99

00:22:08.000 And if you say to your friend, hey, I gotta go take a shit, man, your friend's probably going to be like, well, you didn't need to tell me that. 1.00

00:22:14.000 Like, okay. 0.99

00:22:15.000 But your friend's not going to be like, whoa, dude, what? 0.99

00:22:20.000 And yet, jerking off, really, if you think about it, it's like you're giving yourself a hand massage that ends with a little spray of cream coming out. 0.99

00:22:29.000 Horrific. 1.00

00:22:31.000 But in our culture, no!

00:22:35.000 No!

00:22:36.000 Don't do it at the office!

00:22:38.000 My God, John!

00:22:41.000 Don't do it here, John!

00:22:44.000 I'm just picturing John, just with an itchy trigger finger, just ready to reach into his pants.

00:22:50.000 No!

00:22:51.000 No!

00:22:52.000 No!

00:22:54.000 John?

00:22:55.000 Did you do it again, John?

00:22:57.000 It's a gross relationship that the worker has now with the corporation, and it's an unnatural relationship, and it's a relationship that seems to have, like, Do you know what Ari told me?

00:23:24.000 What?

00:23:25.000 You know, Ari studied the Talmud and did it for like 12 hours a day when he was a young man.

00:23:31.000 He told me there was one passage where in one of the ancient texts where it was talking about battling a dragon.

00:23:40.000 And he's like, this doesn't make sense because everything in here is supposed to be a story that actually happened.

00:23:46.000 Like, what is this dragon? 0.91

00:23:48.000 Oh, the dragon is a metaphor for masturbation, they tell him. 0.99

00:23:53.000 So the dragon that takes away young boys, it is a metaphor for masturbation. 0.98

00:24:01.000 Did we talk about this on the podcast? 0.97

00:24:03.000 Yes.

00:24:04.000 Dude, it's...

00:24:05.000 You know, Ari knows about as much as anyone you're ever going to meet about...

00:24:10.000 Orthodox Jewish traditions and the religion and the texts. 0.99

00:24:16.000 He really did study that shit every day, 12 hours a day for years. 1.00

00:24:20.000 In Israel, right? 1.00

00:24:21.000 Yeah.

00:24:22.000 So when he tells you about it, he got the actual translation of the metaphor from a guy who's a scholar.

00:24:31.000 Yeah, dude.

00:24:32.000 Yeah, that's a bad metaphor. 0.57

00:24:35.000 I think if I wanted, for whatever reason, to dissuade people from jerking off, I could come up with a way better thing than a dragon to represent it.

00:24:44.000 There'd be some other thing, like a... 0.79

00:24:46.000 I don't know, man, like a...

00:24:49.000 What's like a... 0.64

00:24:51.000 What would be like the creature version of a rolled up ball of dried cum that you've thrown next to your bed and someone walks into your bedroom and sees the rolled up ball of dried cum Kleenex and it's just kind of like, that's gross, 0.85

00:25:07.000 you didn't clean up your cum Kleenex. 0.89

00:25:08.000 It would be like one of them Ghostbuster villains. 0.97

00:25:11.000 Right.

00:25:12.000 Like some sort of plasma thing that just jizzes all over you.

00:25:15.000 Yeah.

00:25:15.000 You know, they'd get Ghostbustered.

00:25:17.000 What do you think about the anti-fap movement?

00:25:20.000 Anti-fap movement?

00:25:21.000 Fap. 0.98

00:25:22.000 F-A-P. Oh, no jerking off? 0.99

00:25:24.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:25:26.000 No fap, not anti-fap.

00:25:28.000 Anti-fap's a different movement.

00:25:29.000 Well, there's good and bad.

00:25:31.000 The good thing is sex will be way more pleasurable.

00:25:34.000 The bad is it'll be way more desirable. 1.00

00:25:38.000 So, like, to mitigate your sexual urges so you don't do stupid things and hang out with stupid people and have sex with people you don't really like but you think are hot because you're horny. 1.00

00:25:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:25:49.000 And they're willing, which is a lot of people. 1.00

00:25:51.000 They get roped up in these relationships with these guys and gals that they're not really in love with, but they like to fuck. 1.00

00:25:58.000 Right. 1.00

00:25:58.000 You know? 1.00

00:26:04.000 You know, what do you think about it?

00:26:10.000 Well, something I always think back on is when you were sponsored by Fleshlight.

00:26:15.000 And this is when we were doing the podcast from your house and you'd come to do your podcast and you'd walk away with a Fleshlight.

00:26:22.000 So I ended up with like, I don't know, three or four Fleshlights. 1.00

00:26:27.000 And like at first I just wanted, like you had different types. 1.00

00:26:30.000 And at first I just went for like, oh, the one that looks like a pussy. 1.00

00:26:34.000 Right? 1.00

00:26:35.000 But then, like, you know, it's like, oh, I got that one.

00:26:37.000 But then you had, like, one that was like...

00:26:39.000 I don't know, man, like some kind of like gargoyle alien thing.

00:26:43.000 It was really not...

00:26:44.000 Blue or something. 0.98

00:26:44.000 It was really fucking weird, man. 0.98

00:26:46.000 But anyway, you know, I fucked those things. 1.00

00:26:50.000 And when I think back to it, it's like the first time I did it, it tricked my brain. 0.99

00:26:58.000 The second time or the third time I did it, it wasn't getting the same effect.

00:27:03.000 Whereas when I have sex...

00:27:05.000 With a human, it's a completely different...

00:27:10.000 It feels like it's a completely different series of chemicals that must be being released in my mind.

00:27:16.000 Yeah, you're uniting with someone.

00:27:17.000 You're bonding with someone.

00:27:18.000 You certainly get that oxytocin from orgasming together.

00:27:22.000 Yeah.

00:27:23.000 That bonds people.

00:27:24.000 So I've always thought... 0.96

00:27:25.000 Generally, if I'm in a period in my life where I'm jerking off a lot... 0.73

00:27:32.000 Usually there's something imbalanced in there. 0.51

00:27:34.000 I don't mean to apply a sin to it at all.

00:27:37.000 I'm just saying, personally, it feels a little dissipative when you're doing it a lot.

00:27:44.000 I don't know.

00:27:45.000 No, I completely agree.

00:27:47.000 That's the balance.

00:27:48.000 But the balance is also, you don't want to just be horny all the time.

00:27:51.000 No. 0.99

00:27:51.000 Because when you're horny, you make shitty decisions. 0.99

00:27:53.000 So you'll date someone just for sex. 0.98

00:27:58.000 I think that there is something to be said for figuring out how to deal with that kind of energy.

00:28:10.000 That's an energetic state.

00:28:13.000 Being horny is an energetic state.

00:28:17.000 It's energy.

00:28:17.000 If you're really horny and you sit and watch the feeling itself, it's electrical.

00:28:24.000 You can feel it moving around in your body.

00:28:26.000 It can almost make you twitchy a little bit.

00:28:29.000 It's like a very potent, energetic state. 0.99

00:28:34.000 Theoretically, the question would be, is there a way to release that energy That isn't through the tip of my dick in the form of DNA. Is there a way for me to release that energy in other ways or is the only way, 0.95

00:28:50.000 the only valve on that to come?

00:28:53.000 That's a question.

00:28:54.000 What do you think?

00:28:55.000 I think there's when this natural buildup happens, it makes people more easily aroused.

00:29:03.000 It makes people more concentrating on sex.

00:29:07.000 And I think that that can put you out of balance, too. 0.85

00:29:10.000 You can be put out of balance both by too much masturbation. 0.95

00:29:13.000 You can definitely be put out of balance by too much desire for sex. 0.98

00:29:17.000 Yeah. 0.95

00:29:18.000 Because you're just horny.

00:29:19.000 Sure. 0.92

00:29:19.000 You can just take care of it yourself and you'd be relieved. 0.92

00:29:21.000 And then you can think clear.

00:29:23.000 You know, I think the body needs a balance, right?

00:29:27.000 That's why I'm a big proponent of exercise.

00:29:29.000 I'm a big proponent of meditation and mindfulness.

00:29:33.000 Those are toxic words right now.

00:29:36.000 Meditation and mindfulness.

00:29:37.000 Are they?

00:29:38.000 Yeah, they've been thrown around by too many knuckleheads. 0.79

00:29:41.000 There's something about it that's like, oh, that's kind of a bullshitty word.

00:29:45.000 You know what I mean?

00:29:46.000 You're like, oh, I'm just all about mindfulness.

00:29:47.000 Like, oh, you're annoying. 0.84

00:29:49.000 That's what you are. 0.98

00:29:50.000 You're the annoying guy.

00:29:51.000 I saw a book just yesterday in one of these boutique stores.

00:29:56.000 Someone had made a sarcastic kid's book called The Grown-Up's Guide to Mindfulness. 0.99

00:30:00.000 And whoever wrote that fucking book hates the word mindfulness. 0.96

00:30:05.000 Definitely has an obnoxious friend who's into mindfulness because the book is just like a... 0.99

00:30:10.000 First of all, the guy doesn't seem to really understand what it is in the book.

00:30:14.000 He seems a little confused about the nature of it.

00:30:17.000 And I remember looking at that and being like, oh, I guess people are getting annoyed with the word mindfulness now, like the pendulum swinging that way.

00:30:26.000 Yeah, it's one of those words that people love to say.

00:30:29.000 It sounds good, and it makes you seem like a spiritual person.

00:30:34.000 When a word gets moved around and used too much, like something happens to a word, it gets icky.

00:30:42.000 Because it's like it becomes popular and then people start using it.

00:30:45.000 And then you see like a bunch of phony guru type dudes at seminars using it.

00:30:49.000 What's important here is mindfulness.

00:30:51.000 It's very important.

00:30:53.000 You know there's like typically unique behaviors.

00:30:56.000 You know what I mean?

00:30:57.000 Yes! 1.00

00:30:58.000 Especially when it comes to like people that are full of shit. 1.00

00:31:01.000 There's like a typical uniqueness. 1.00

00:31:04.000 Like there's just a thing that a lot of people adopt.

00:31:07.000 And it sounds like everyone else.

00:31:10.000 And it's just a way that people do it.

00:31:12.000 And I hope you understand.

00:31:15.000 Like, what are you doing?

00:31:16.000 Why are you doing that?

00:31:18.000 You're adopting this weird, funky thing.

00:31:20.000 And, you know, I think it's really important that we practice mindfulness.

00:31:23.000 It falls into that.

00:31:25.000 It falls into that.

00:31:26.000 Even though it's an excellent practice.

00:31:28.000 It's very important.

00:31:31.000 I took on, for lack of a better word, I'm working with an actual teacher of the Kagu lineage of Buddhism, which is like Chogyam Trungpa's lineage of Buddhism, and he's amazing.

00:31:47.000 And he's teaching me mindfulness meditation practice, this guy David Nicktern. 0.93

00:31:52.000 How does he deal with masturbation? 0.53

00:31:55.000 What's cool about him is if you asked him, he would tell you. 0.60

00:32:00.000 He wouldn't be like, how dare you ask me that question!

00:32:05.000 But I think that probably, I can't answer for him, I think it would fall in line with what you're saying with balance, you know, which is that it's really like sort of the concept with it is The thing that's happening right now,

00:32:23.000 whatever it may be, you can just apply mindfulness to it.

00:32:29.000 You could apply being in the moment and being with the thing that's happening right now.

00:32:34.000 And so the thing he's teaching me, I love it so much, dude, because it isn't woo-woo-y or out there or crazy.

00:32:44.000 It's literally this...

00:32:47.000 It's a very simple way that you meditate, the way that you sit, which is you sit on a cushion, you put your hands on your knees, and you sit back.

00:32:58.000 And the word they use in this Kagu lineage for it is the warrior pose. 0.95

00:33:04.000 And what that means is that it's a kind of confidence.

00:33:07.000 It's the way people who are confident sit.

00:33:10.000 So you sit like that when you're meditating, your legs are crossing, you sit in a chair if you want.

00:33:15.000 And you look straight ahead, about eight feet, nine feet, and you watch your breath.

00:33:23.000 And when you go into your thoughts, which happens, of course, you go, you think, thinking, and then you go back to your breath.

00:33:33.000 That's it.

00:33:34.000 You say thinking?

00:33:35.000 You don't say it, you think it.

00:33:36.000 Think thinking.

00:33:37.000 Thinking.

00:33:37.000 So what you start realizing when you start this practice, and full disclosure here, man, you know me, Joe.

00:33:47.000 I have problems with discipline, and I have problems with sticking to stuff over and over again.

00:33:51.000 And working with this guy has been incredible because it's actually getting me to do it, right?

00:33:57.000 But still, I have like...

00:33:59.000 I did it today.

00:33:59.000 I didn't do it yesterday.

00:34:01.000 I don't want to get out there with some nonsense that I'm spending all day long meditating.

00:34:06.000 But what you start seeing is When you're doing it, is you realize like, oh, there's a cycle happening in my consciousness, in my mind.

00:34:16.000 There's a cycle that's happening in my life, which is that I kind of blink into the moment, following the breath, and I blink out of the moment into the thought realm, right?

00:34:25.000 We're like little fireflies.

00:34:27.000 We flicker into the moment.

00:34:29.000 We're here.

00:34:29.000 Now we're here.

00:34:30.000 We're not lost in our thoughts.

00:34:31.000 We're not thinking about the next thing we're going to say.

00:34:34.000 We're not thinking about the next thing we're going to do.

00:34:35.000 We're just here in this moment, and then bloop, We're off, you know, off and running, like thinking about the bills, thinking about the girl, thinking about the thing, thinking about that, and then that leads to another thought and another thought.

00:34:47.000 Next thing you know, you've been thinking for three years straight, you know what I mean?

00:34:53.000 Or three minutes or five hours or whatever, and then you come back.

00:34:58.000 And that's the cycle.

00:34:59.000 This is a cycle that happens.

00:35:01.000 So mindfulness Is starting to pay attention to that cycle.

00:35:09.000 And the breathing thing is kind of like a respiratory mnemonic device, which is that suddenly what's been happening to me now is I'll just be like walking down the street and then notice my breath. 0.99

00:35:25.000 Oh, shit. 0.96

00:35:26.000 I'm back. 1.00

00:35:27.000 Oh, I'm here.

00:35:27.000 I was totally up in my head.

00:35:29.000 Oh, I'm back.

00:35:30.000 That was thinking, you know?

00:35:32.000 That's all.

00:35:33.000 It's very, very, very simple. 0.99

00:35:35.000 But he's just teaching me the basic shit right now. 0.99

00:35:37.000 It does, I think, get pretty interesting. 0.96

00:35:39.000 On my own, thinking about my own life and observing other people's lives, I've come up with this thing that I bring up all the time, the momentum of your past. 0.59

00:35:48.000 Like, so many people, as they're going down the street, so many people, as they're interacting with people, they're carrying the momentum of all the fucked up things that are going on.

00:35:59.000 Bills that they have to pay, and things that they forgot to do, and a career they never chase, and a girl they never called back, and a thing that they like.

00:36:14.000 Yeah.

00:36:27.000 By past failures and never just learning from them. 1.00

00:36:30.000 Go, oh, I'm that fucking loser. 1.00

00:36:31.000 It's a real problem. 1.00

00:36:33.000 It's a real problem with people to be able to learn from something and to just look at yourself.

00:36:37.000 And it's painful to look at yourself.

00:36:39.000 So everybody wants to pretend that they didn't do anything wrong. 1.00

00:36:42.000 Everybody else is an asshole. 1.00

00:36:44.000 Yes. 1.00

00:36:45.000 And so what you're doing by doing that is you're stunting your own growth.

00:36:50.000 You feel like you're protecting yourself because you're protecting your ego.

00:36:53.000 You're like, you know, I didn't do anything wrong. 1.00

00:36:55.000 Fuck him. 1.00

00:36:56.000 He's the asshole. 1.00

00:36:57.000 But you know you could have avoided that. 1.00

00:36:59.000 You know you could have done better.

00:37:01.000 Yeah.

00:37:01.000 Everybody has moments like that in their life.

00:37:03.000 The more you avoid those and don't take credit for the ones that you actually fucked up, the more you actually hurt yourself in this ironic thing because it seems like you're protecting yourself.

00:37:13.000 No, I'm exonerating myself from guilt. 1.00

00:37:16.000 Fuck it, it wasn't me. 1.00

00:37:17.000 I didn't do it. 1.00

00:37:18.000 But you know you did.

00:37:20.000 So in your head, you're the guy who lies about making mistakes instead of you're the guy who mans up to your mistakes, realizes it was a mistake, and then vows to do better.

00:37:30.000 Yeah, man.

00:37:30.000 That's beautiful.

00:37:31.000 It's beautiful.

00:37:32.000 You just have to be able to say you're wrong.

00:37:34.000 You have to be able to say, I'm sorry.

00:37:35.000 You have to be able to...

00:37:37.000 And you've got to be able to look at yourself all the time. 0.99

00:37:40.000 Not just when you fuck up. 0.99

00:37:42.000 Because you can avoid some of those fuck-ups. 0.99

00:37:43.000 Just look at yourself critically along the way.

00:37:46.000 But we all have to understand that we are all an evolving process.

00:37:51.000 I had this conversation with Dennis McKenna. 0.88

00:37:53.000 It's a crazy conversation because it's a ridiculous thing to say. 0.86

00:37:56.000 He was talking about Donald Trump And I was saying, isn't it possible that he could grow and learn? 0.79

00:38:04.000 Like, why do we give up on people?

00:38:06.000 Why does a guy get to a certain age and we say, oh, he's 60. He's set in his ways.

00:38:11.000 He's 70. He'll never change.

00:38:12.000 He'll never evolve.

00:38:13.000 You don't ever say that about a 20-year-old. 1.00

00:38:15.000 You see some asshole who's a 20-year-old. 1.00

00:38:17.000 You say, he just needs discipline. 1.00

00:38:20.000 He just needs love.

00:38:21.000 He finds the right people in his life, right person to love.

00:38:24.000 He'll be okay.

00:38:25.000 He's gonna mature and eventually he's gonna be a solid man.

00:38:28.000 But you get to a certain age, we just give up on you.

00:38:30.000 We're just like, you're still alive, but you've passed the cycle that I usually enjoy people to be ready to like sort of interact as valuable, creative, loving members of society.

00:38:41.000 You pass that by.

00:38:42.000 You're still thinking about yourself only deep into your 60s. 1.00

00:38:45.000 This is stupid shit. 1.00

00:38:46.000 This is shit you're supposed to do when you're 17. By the time you're 70, you're supposed to be going, oh my god, I don't have much time left. 1.00

00:38:53.000 Oh my god, what have I done while I'm here?

00:38:55.000 What is important?

00:38:57.000 What do I feel the best about?

00:38:58.000 I feel the best about love and companionship and friendship and real warmth and interaction between people that you care about.

00:39:05.000 This money thing, man, this is not – you can't keep chasing this.

00:39:09.000 Can't keep chasing power.

00:39:10.000 Can't keep chasing money.

00:39:12.000 You're going to reach a point where it's not going to matter because you're going to die.

00:39:15.000 So you really want to be that guy from the bumper sticker, he who dies with the most toys wins?

00:39:20.000 Because this is literally what you're working towards.

00:39:22.000 You're working towards a joke.

00:39:24.000 Yeah, well, one thing I would add to that is that...

00:39:29.000 So what you're saying here, and you're right, man.

00:39:32.000 But the one thing I think I disagree with you on is that you're creating a situation where that's it.

00:39:39.000 You die and that's it.

00:39:42.000 It's like the momentum goes into a black hole.

00:39:44.000 It's gone.

00:39:45.000 The momentum vanishes, that momentum, right?

00:39:49.000 But the way I've been taught is that actually that momentum...

00:39:53.000 It keeps going.

00:39:54.000 That momentum doesn't just stop because your body stops, right?

00:39:58.000 So that momentum keeps going.

00:39:59.000 And in fact, what's really beautiful is, and it's good that you call it momentum, that's exactly what it is.

00:40:06.000 It's what it feels like with me.

00:40:07.000 It's a tendency.

00:40:08.000 We have a tendency towards a certain thing.

00:40:10.000 We have proclivities and tendencies and habituations.

00:40:13.000 And if you just kind of like, if you put you and me in a room and put a bunch of different objects on the floor, right?

00:40:21.000 You're gonna go towards something, and I'm gonna go towards something else, right? 0.97

00:40:25.000 You know, if there's fucking VR goggles in a goddamn badass, like some kind of badass compound bow manufactured at fucking DARPA, you know what I mean? 0.98

00:40:37.000 And there's VR goggles manufactured by DARPA. I don't know. 0.99

00:40:40.000 I'm going for the VR goggles.

00:40:42.000 You're probably gonna go for the cross or the bow, right?

00:40:44.000 So we have proclivities.

00:40:45.000 That's the momentum, right?

00:40:48.000 Is one way you can understand what karma is, right?

00:40:51.000 So that's the momentum.

00:40:53.000 That's the moment.

00:40:53.000 So that thing that you've got right now, when you begin to really look at it and think about it, You could ask yourself, when did this start, this momentum, right?

00:41:04.000 When did these proclivities and tendencies and things that I'm being, like, sort of pushed towards, when did they start?

00:41:12.000 And a lot of it is, you know, your parents taught you certain things, but...

00:41:15.000 Well, let's talk about a super common one that's horrible, cigarettes.

00:41:19.000 You got hooked by that bug.

00:41:21.000 Ari got hooked by that bug. 1.00

00:41:23.000 Redband's still hooked.

00:41:25.000 Joey Diaz kicked it.

00:41:26.000 You know, that's a really, really, really common one, man, that sort of defines people.

00:41:32.000 I'm that guy who smokes.

00:41:33.000 I'm going to walk into this store, and even though I know these things cause cancer, I'm going to buy a pack.

00:41:38.000 I'm going to go outside, and I can't wait to light it up.

00:41:40.000 I'm just not even thinking about that right now, man.

00:41:42.000 I'm trying to relax.

00:41:42.000 You get that thing in your mouth?

00:41:43.000 Yeah.

00:41:45.000 There you go.

00:41:45.000 And you take that drag and you feel that cancer-causing chemical rush.

00:41:52.000 Yep.

00:41:52.000 And you're like, I'll take it.

00:41:53.000 I'm all right today.

00:41:54.000 No cancer today.

00:41:55.000 And you take a big deep breath.

00:41:57.000 You blow it out.

00:41:58.000 You look at the other fellow cancer dodgers and they're just looking at you and smoking together.

00:42:04.000 And everybody's just, they're just really good at dodging cancer.

00:42:06.000 So, you know, another one way you could actually say it is like every time you do that, you're planting a seed.

00:42:12.000 So every time you smoke a cigarette, you could imagine that you have this field, right?

00:42:16.000 And the field is your health. 0.80

00:42:18.000 And in that field, anytime you like exercise or do something, you know, decide instead of eating the fucking ice cream, you're going to eat the seaweed chips or like anytime you do that, you could just imagine. 0.58

00:42:29.000 Obviously, it's not the way it works exactly, but you could think I'm planting a seed in this field, right?

00:42:34.000 So If I keep planting certain types of seeds in any type of field, and I cultivate those seeds, they're going to grow into something, right?

00:42:43.000 That's karma.

00:42:45.000 So for a person, when the cancer comes, when the muscles come, when the failure comes, when the success comes...

00:42:56.000 If you look at that moment, you realize this is actually the flowering of a thing that's been growing for a very long time inside of me or in the world or in time.

00:43:06.000 So that's the idea.

00:43:08.000 People already have within them planted all of these seeds that haven't been expressed yet into time because they're still inside of them.

00:43:17.000 Like the dude with the...

00:43:18.000 Like imagine a guy with the guy who like shot the guy because he had road rage, you know?

00:43:24.000 That guy...

00:43:25.000 For years, had a really bad anger disorder, and he knew it.

00:43:29.000 He would think at times in this very calmest moment, I sure get really angry all the time.

00:43:36.000 I don't know if this is normal.

00:43:38.000 A lot of those people were beaten when they were kids.

00:43:40.000 That's it, dude.

00:43:42.000 Yeah.

00:43:42.000 Super common.

00:43:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:43:44.000 Super common.

00:43:45.000 Trauma.

00:43:46.000 So, yeah, man, that's like cigarette smoking, any kind of behavior that, like, is risky or over time produces some kind of negative result.

00:43:57.000 It's just planting seeds. 0.97

00:43:59.000 And so the momentum you're experiencing right now is the sum total of all those fucking seeds that you planted and that were planted inside of you over the course of your life. 1.00

00:44:12.000 That's what you are. 0.99

00:44:13.000 You're like a walking field of karma at varying stages of growth, growing varying types of vegetations.

00:44:21.000 And some are good and some are bad, but it's like that's what you are right now.

00:44:26.000 And what's beautiful about that is that means that you can start cultivating that field. 1.00

00:44:32.000 You don't have to just let it grow wild and pretend every time you smoke a cigarette or do some stupid shit, you're like an unconscious farmer. 1.00

00:44:43.000 I just throw it seeds everywhere! 1.00

00:44:46.000 Oh my god, what?

00:44:47.000 Can't believe I'm drinking and driving again, but I gotta get home. 1.00

00:44:50.000 Oh shit! 1.00

00:44:51.000 Oh my god, the DUI plant grew again in the field! 1.00

00:44:55.000 I wonder why that thing keeps growing in my field! 1.00

00:44:58.000 Well, because you keep fucking drinking and driving, dude! 1.00

00:45:02.000 The DUI plant. 1.00

00:45:03.000 Yeah.

00:45:04.000 Oh my god.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:45:06.000 Yeah.

00:45:06.000 You can cultivate it.

00:45:07.000 That's what's beautiful about it.

00:45:09.000 You know, you can cultivate the field. 0.95

00:45:10.000 You don't have to let it just like have fucking weird random weeds spring up. 0.69

00:45:14.000 They'll let a patch or two have some weeds because those are fun. 0.97

00:45:17.000 Imagine spending that tobacco money.

00:45:20.000 Imagine spending that money.

00:45:22.000 Thinking about all that cancer.

00:45:24.000 Just spending all that money.

00:45:25.000 God.

00:45:26.000 Just buying a big castle with all that cancer money.

00:45:29.000 Look at it all.

00:45:30.000 Castle cancer.

00:45:31.000 Hey, the people want it.

00:45:32.000 They want it.

00:45:33.000 In this country, you've got the freedom to buy whatever you want.

00:45:37.000 Well, yeah, right. 0.96

00:45:37.000 I mean, it's a person's choice, but to get back to what you were just saying, the ethics of the fucking thing, how about this? 0.96

00:45:43.000 How many people who run big tobacco own stock in companies that make chemotherapy drugs? 0.92

00:45:52.000 There's a big question.

00:45:54.000 Like how many of those people in their portfolio that they barely know about, they're like, well, you know, like a really big investment these days is gene therapy for cancer.

00:46:04.000 Really?

00:46:05.000 Is cancer out of hand these days?

00:46:07.000 Huh?

00:46:08.000 Really interesting.

00:46:08.000 I wonder what could be going wrong.

00:46:11.000 The problem with cigarettes is that they're addictive.

00:46:15.000 Not just that they kill you, but that they're addictive.

00:46:18.000 Like, I've smoked a cigarette before, and it gives you a head rush.

00:46:21.000 You get like a nice little weird rush.

00:46:24.000 And also, the other problem is, nicotine is a medicine, and it has like some health benefits if used in the right way.

00:46:32.000 And also, it's a nootropic.

00:46:34.000 So, it's like, it's not just like it gives you a rush.

00:46:39.000 It's somehow focusing you a little bit.

00:46:42.000 Stephen King said that was one of the most difficult things when he quit smoking, was not having one while he writes.

00:46:48.000 That's right.

00:46:49.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:46:50.000 Because that's the nature of addiction.

00:46:52.000 It's like kudzu does to trees.

00:46:55.000 It wraps around your favorite thing in life and tricks you.

00:46:58.000 What's kudzu?

00:47:00.000 Kudzu is a plant that was introduced from Japan, I think from Japan, into the South.

00:47:05.000 And it's just a growing wheat vine that when it wraps around trees and it covers them up completely so the trees can't get any sun and the trees just die.

00:47:17.000 Yeah, it wasn't native to the United States. 0.94

00:47:19.000 So sometimes, I don't know, maybe they took care of kudzu, but when I was a kid, you would drive by these beautiful forests where the trees were just covered in fucking kudzu. 0.90

00:47:28.000 Yeah, like that. 1.00

00:47:29.000 Holy shit, dude. 0.99

00:47:30.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:47:32.000 It's like they got eaten by other plants.

00:47:34.000 That's right, man.

00:47:35.000 And those trees are dying.

00:47:36.000 They can't get the sun.

00:47:37.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:39.000 That's insane.

00:47:40.000 And that's a great metaphor for addiction.

00:47:42.000 What?

00:47:43.000 That is a perfect metaphor.

00:47:45.000 Oh, my God.

00:47:46.000 That's insane.

00:47:47.000 How did I not know about this?

00:47:49.000 I don't know.

00:47:49.000 It definitely seems like something you'd know about.

00:47:51.000 It looks like they're alive.

00:47:52.000 It looks like people.

00:47:53.000 Dude, there is just too much to know. 0.99

00:47:55.000 There's too much cool shit. 1.00

00:47:56.000 A lot of shit out there. 1.00

00:47:58.000 Look at that. 1.00

00:47:59.000 Go to the one above that.

00:48:00.000 No, above that.

00:48:01.000 Above that one.

00:48:02.000 Right above that.

00:48:03.000 There.

00:48:03.000 That one.

00:48:04.000 Look at that.

00:48:05.000 Yeah.

00:48:06.000 Look how green that is.

00:48:07.000 That's insane.

00:48:08.000 Yeah. 0.90

00:48:08.000 Dude, that does something weird to your brain. 0.90

00:48:10.000 It's beautiful.

00:48:11.000 It makes you feel like you're on a drug.

00:48:15.000 Yeah.

00:48:16.000 If you were standing there and it was that green and that vibrant, you'd be like, oh my god.

00:48:21.000 Yep.

00:48:22.000 Yeah, you would.

00:48:23.000 It would feel so good.

00:48:24.000 When do you ever see anything that looks like that?

00:48:26.000 What? 1.00

00:48:26.000 I say let those fuckers take over. 1.00

00:48:28.000 Let the kudzu take over? 1.00

00:48:30.000 Those bitch-ass trees can't fight off the kudzu. 1.00

00:48:32.000 They don't deserve to live. 1.00

00:48:33.000 They have to fucking evolve. 1.00

00:48:35.000 These kudzu are cooler. 0.99

00:48:36.000 They're offering you a cooler look. 1.00

00:48:38.000 You're like, hey, you want to look at your boring-ass fucking gray bark and your bullshit leaves on the ground? 1.00

00:48:43.000 Or how about we just take over everything, motherfucker? 1.00

00:48:46.000 We cover the floor! 1.00

00:48:48.000 It's like a carpet!

00:48:49.000 Yeah.

00:48:49.000 We covered the floor and the hillsides and all the trees.

00:48:52.000 Everything. 1.00

00:48:53.000 Green as fuck. 1.00

00:48:54.000 What kind of green? 1.00

00:48:55.000 Like flow green, man.

00:48:57.000 Like vibrant flow green. 0.96

00:48:59.000 If you smoke weed there, you're going to trip balls.

00:49:03.000 Yeah, look at that. 0.56

00:49:04.000 What is that?

00:49:04.000 It covered its statue?

00:49:05.000 Is that a golf statue?

00:49:06.000 I think that's just a telephone pole.

00:49:08.000 A light pole.

00:49:09.000 It seems like someone could have sculpted that a little bit, though.

00:49:12.000 Maybe.

00:49:12.000 Or maybe it's just really covering a light pole.

00:49:15.000 Yeah.

00:49:16.000 Cut to, man.

00:49:17.000 There you go.

00:49:17.000 So that's like a really funny thing that like alcoholics will get their alcoholism wound up in their social life or like their creativity, their creative cycle.

00:49:28.000 So they will think like, fuck, man, without the booze, I don't think I'm going to be able to write as well. 0.96

00:49:34.000 Right. 0.99

00:49:34.000 Or, you know, whatever it is, like, mostly it's just people have this, a really smart way to avoid getting healthier or the learning curve associated with getting healthier. 0.99

00:49:48.000 And it's a really intelligent trick to play on yourself, which is to imagine that, you know, whatever it may be that's currently out of balance in your life, if you remove that, You're not going to be able to be as good as a person.

00:50:02.000 There's a lot of alcoholics out there, performers who think, oh, if I don't drink, I've got to have a beer on stage, man.

00:50:11.000 Where it gets hardcore is when it's actually fucking wrapped up in the art publicly.

00:50:20.000 I don't know if you're aware of this rapper who died named Lil Peep. 0.87

00:50:25.000 You know about Lil Peep? 0.98

00:50:27.000 I heard about him.

00:50:28.000 Yeah.

00:50:28.000 In one of his videos, it just shows the floor of his car, just pill bottles scattered everywhere, right?

00:50:36.000 So part of the identity he was projecting into the world involves the romanticization of addiction to pharmaceutical medications, right?

00:50:46.000 And so that's where it gets real.

00:50:48.000 Or like big comics, when all their jokes are about being fat.

00:50:52.000 Yeah.

00:50:53.000 So they don't only have to like...

00:50:58.000 They have to worry about being fat.

00:51:00.000 They have to worry about, if I get healthy, I don't know if my jokes are going to work anymore.

00:51:06.000 So you know what I mean?

00:51:07.000 That's how insidious it can get.

00:51:10.000 Yeah, that's a good one.

00:51:11.000 That one does creep in.

00:51:13.000 I actually heard Kevin James.

00:51:14.000 I heard someone say that to him.

00:51:15.000 You lose weight, you're losing roles.

00:51:18.000 God, someone just told me it's like, you either need to lose 15 pounds or gain 15 pounds if you want to get in the movies.

00:51:25.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:51:27.000 I don't remember who said that, but it's like, yeah, it's like, you know, you become this, like, character or something like that, and the next thing you know, your fucking addiction is, like, just riding you around like a horse, whispering in your ear, without me, 1.00

00:51:42.000 you won't know where to go, and now you're fucked, you're fucked, yeah. 0.99

00:51:46.000 I'm your comfort blanket when you're all alone. 1.00

00:51:50.000 When you're drinking alone in your hotel room, ooh, dark.

00:51:54.000 That's dark, but then when you get into it, too, when you're not just drinking alone, but you're like...

00:51:59.000 Telling stories to yourself.

00:52:01.000 Celebrating it.

00:52:02.000 You're pretending... 0.99

00:52:03.000 Anytime you find yourself pretending you're fucking Hunter S. Thompson... 0.99

00:52:09.000 Look out, baby! 0.99

00:52:11.000 Yeah, if you get a cigarette holder.

00:52:13.000 Unless you're writing like him, you ain't Hunter S. Thompson, alright?

00:52:17.000 You're having fun, no doubt.

00:52:19.000 But I know in my life, the times where I've been like, it's kind of like Hunter S. Thompson.

00:52:24.000 It's like, dude, you need to go to bed.

00:52:27.000 Stop.

00:52:29.000 You're tricking yourself.

00:52:31.000 Just don't trick yourself. 0.98

00:52:33.000 By the way, if you want to be a self-destructive alcoholic, drug addict, whatever it is, Be that thing.

00:52:41.000 But don't fool yourself into thinking that's not what you're doing.

00:52:45.000 It's romantic.

00:52:46.000 Yeah, yeah. 0.99

00:52:47.000 Don't like, as you're plummeting towards splattering all over the fucking ground, pretend that you're flying towards the earth. 0.99

00:52:54.000 Well, maybe you could. 1.00

00:52:55.000 Maybe that's actually a cool way to die. 0.98

00:52:56.000 Maybe that's a good way to die.

00:52:57.000 Yeah.

00:52:58.000 That's a good way to think about it.

00:52:59.000 Right before impact.

00:53:01.000 Maybe that's what the water tower guy did.

00:53:03.000 Yeah, dude, maybe so.

00:53:05.000 I mean, who knows what you see when you do eight days of ayahuasca?

00:53:10.000 Who knows what you see?

00:53:13.000 That seems like eight days of any potent psychedelic.

00:53:16.000 I've never done that.

00:53:17.000 I've never done more than one day in a row.

00:53:19.000 I've done one day in a row, take a break, maybe a little pot the next day.

00:53:23.000 Sure.

00:53:24.000 And then I don't do anything for, like, months.

00:53:26.000 That's how I've always done it.

00:53:27.000 I've never done, like, big session followed by big session.

00:53:32.000 Yeah.

00:53:33.000 Yeah.

00:53:34.000 You know, we can only speculate.

00:53:36.000 I don't know exactly what that would be like.

00:53:38.000 I mean, I can imagine.

00:53:40.000 Couldn't imagine.

00:53:40.000 Dude, I had this crazy...

00:53:43.000 Like, idea.

00:53:44.000 Crazy idea.

00:53:45.000 Now, this is a lens.

00:53:46.000 I don't know if it's true or not, but obviously it's probably not true.

00:53:49.000 But I got this crazy idea that, like...

00:53:52.000 And again, with you, I could just say this, and I don't have to preface it, but since people listen to your podcast, I have to preface it by saying, I do not believe this.

00:54:02.000 I am not going insane.

00:54:04.000 But this is a fun thing to think about, you know? 1.00

00:54:06.000 It's okay to imagine shit in your mind. 1.00

00:54:10.000 It's okay. 1.00

00:54:11.000 Like, you can imagine stuff.

00:54:13.000 So I was thinking, like, inspiration, right?

00:54:17.000 Specifically, I was thinking like J.R.R. Tolkien.

00:54:20.000 When you read Lord of the Rings, it's like that guy went over there.

00:54:23.000 That writing is so beautiful and so perfect and so interdimensional. 0.99

00:54:31.000 It's fucking old. 0.97

00:54:32.000 It's an old book. 0.99

00:54:33.000 And it's beautiful, his writing.

00:54:34.000 And I was thinking, oh, that guy...

00:54:38.000 Tolkien.

00:54:38.000 That inspiration is outflow from the DMT realm into this dimension through the processor of his meat computer.

00:54:50.000 And this is like a kind of drip coming out of a dam, right?

00:54:54.000 The dam is something that's been constructed by power structures who want to keep that realm out of here, right?

00:55:04.000 And so Over there, you get usually a kind of message, right?

00:55:10.000 And the message is usually something along the lines of, we need to love each other.

00:55:17.000 We could love each other here.

00:55:19.000 There's something more important than money.

00:55:22.000 That's to really be very reductive about it.

00:55:24.000 But some version of that story that usually involves some kind of Desire to no longer harm people or to reduce suffering or to be a better person or however you want to put it, right?

00:55:37.000 So there's a dam that's been built and the dam It's built by the people who scan your piss for LSD. It's people who have created an intentional, legal obstruction between one realm and the other,

00:55:56.000 which is the realm, mechanical hyperspace, in the realm that we're currently existing in, which is where there's a lot of scientific materialism, where people only believe that there is only matter here.

00:56:07.000 There's only matter.

00:56:08.000 That's it.

00:56:09.000 There's nothing else.

00:56:09.000 No spirit, no soul, right?

00:56:11.000 The gatekeepers.

00:56:13.000 The gatekeepers.

00:56:13.000 I used to think of them as gatekeepers.

00:56:16.000 Now I think of them as dam builders, right?

00:56:18.000 And what happens is, from time to time, a big crack in the dam opens up, right? 0.98

00:56:24.000 That's when someone like fucking Martin Luther King appears and is standing in front of so many people telling them, I think that We're all the same, is what I think. 0.98

00:56:41.000 I think we're all the same. 0.98

00:56:42.000 And he's doing it in this very charismatic, beautiful way, right? 0.78

00:56:46.000 That's a big fucking crack in the dam, because over on this side of things, they don't want us to be all the same. 0.97

00:56:53.000 They want us to be separated by a lot of different fucking things. 0.98

00:56:59.000 They don't want us to be all the same over here. 0.98

00:57:00.000 So the cracks in the dam open up, and the big cracks Bam!

00:57:05.000 The little cracks, they're like the good art, the good poetry, the great movies, the inspiration. 0.98

00:57:12.000 And now what's happening because of the fucking internet is all these fucking cracks in the dam are opening up. 0.98

00:57:20.000 They can't seal them up anymore. 1.00

00:57:21.000 It's like you can't seal the fucking dam anymore. 0.65

00:57:24.000 And the singularity that McKenna was talking about, the apocalypse, which actually means lifting of the veil, What that is, is when the dam reaches Like a point where the structural integrity has been permanently compromised and the DMT realm flows into this dimension in the form of some kind of technology that either unifies all of us or like rips a hole literally into whatever that membrane is that separates us 0.94

00:57:54.000 from the infinite.

00:57:55.000 And that is what, for whatever reason, over in this dimension, people have been trying to stop.

00:58:01.000 Because it impedes progress in terms of like making money.

00:58:06.000 Building businesses.

00:58:07.000 You can't be building businesses if people are doing LSD on their breaks.

00:58:10.000 I don't think that's true.

00:58:12.000 I think you could run a wonderful business.

00:58:13.000 No, no, no.

00:58:14.000 They're going to come back and they're not going to be concerned with productivity.

00:58:17.000 Well, they're not going to be...

00:58:18.000 No, no, no.

00:58:18.000 If we get a group of people together...

00:58:20.000 And start building something amazing, not for money?

00:58:23.000 Oh, no, I'm just being facetious.

00:58:26.000 Oh, I know.

00:58:26.000 It certainly can be done.

00:58:27.000 I'm arguing with the devil's advocate.

00:58:29.000 Okay, let me play the devil.

00:58:31.000 Okay, nice to meet you, finally.

00:58:33.000 Can I have my soul back?

00:58:34.000 No. 1.00

00:58:35.000 Damn it. 1.00

00:58:36.000 This whole thing of you exploring hyper-dimensional space and all that stuff, all that does is make you stupider, and you show up at work, and you're less disciplined, and you're not interested in getting the job done, okay? 1.00

00:58:50.000 This company is built on teamwork, okay? 0.97

00:58:53.000 And it's built on everyone pulling their weight. 0.99

00:58:55.000 Now, if you're off fucking off in hyperspace from Friday night to Sunday morning, and you barely get six hours sleep over the weekend, you show up Monday, I'm going to test your piss. 0.99

00:59:05.000 Alright. 0.99

00:59:06.000 Yeah, and if I find psilocybin in there, or anything else, fuckin' squirrely. 0.78

00:59:11.000 Do you mind if I show you Professor David Nutt's study on the Lancet about the dangers of the variety of drugs? 0.97

00:59:20.000 I'm talking to the devil here.

00:59:21.000 Do you mind if I show you this?

00:59:23.000 Please do.

00:59:23.000 If you notice, sir, on this chart, they, again, published in the Landsat, it's peer-reviewed.

00:59:29.000 This is a very important study.

00:59:31.000 Professor David Nutt, of course, has since, I think, been disbarred in somewhere and accrued some kind of horrible punishment for being an advocate for psychedelics.

00:59:40.000 But anyway, sir, forgive me, but if you'll notice on this chart, psilocybin is considered the least I'm not interested in harmful, sir.

00:59:52.000 I'm interested in productivity.

00:59:54.000 I want this place to run fast.

00:59:57.000 We're in competition and we're losing jobs overseas. 0.68

01:00:00.000 Do you know they're going to start to make Harley motherfucking Davidson motorcycles in Thailand? 0.71

01:00:04.000 Yes, sir. 1.00

01:00:05.000 Yeah, what kind of shit is that, huh? 1.00

01:00:07.000 It's a goddamn American bike and they're making it over in fucking Asia. 1.00

01:00:11.000 Why? 1.00

01:00:12.000 Because the people in the factory over here didn't kick ass, okay? 0.99

01:00:16.000 They're over in the fucking park taking their magic mushrooms and tripping balls when they should be thinking about how they keep this company active. 1.00

01:00:24.000 This company feeds and houses 150 families. 1.00

01:00:27.000 You understand that?

01:00:28.000 Yes, sir.

01:00:29.000 Now it's a hundred.

01:00:30.000 Are you happy?

01:00:31.000 No. 1.00

01:00:31.000 You still want a fucking raise? 1.00

01:00:32.000 Sir, before I forget, I picked up your prescription for Oxycontin. 1.00

01:00:36.000 Speed!

01:00:37.000 Oxycontin. 1.00

01:00:38.000 I'm on speed, motherfucker! 1.00

01:00:39.000 I don't take none of that Oxy bullshit. 1.00

01:00:42.000 That's for pussies! 1.00

01:00:43.000 Yeah, you're on Adderall. 1.00

01:00:44.000 You're on methamphetamine.

01:00:45.000 Yeah, 100%.

01:00:46.000 Well, yeah, right, so...

01:00:48.000 So, right, so the answer to it is that – oh, I'm talking to you.

01:00:53.000 Well, here's the problem, sir.

01:00:56.000 You don't realize this, but you're kind of a low-level priest in a religion that is spread far and wide, and in this religion – It's not really the money that you're interested in as much as it is the power, 0.98

01:01:11.000 because you've become a servant of a being called the Demiurge, which is essentially attempting to create a sort of authoritarian hierarchy in this particular dimension that's been separated from another place known as the Galactic You can call it whatever the fuck you want, 0.97

01:01:31.000 but it's the aliens. 0.71

01:01:32.000 It's a galactic civilization that is about to pour into this civilization.

01:01:38.000 And so it really doesn't matter what you do because within the next 20 or 30 years through technology and through the unification of people because of that technology, you're going to either come to our side or go completely insane. 0.99

01:01:53.000 Okay, the counter to that, of course, is the only way you're gonna get there, you fucking lazy hippies, is if we make you go to work! 0.99

01:02:01.000 And we get shit done, and you buy things, and you keep this fucking country's economy healthy. 0.99

01:02:06.000 That way the technology innovates, that way we make the hyperspace gateway. 1.00

01:02:11.000 You lazy fucking hippies tripping balls on your lawn furniture, you're not creating shit, okay? 1.00

01:02:17.000 You show up for work on time, you get the job done, eventually we'll get our portal. 1.00

01:02:21.000 Well, it sounds...

01:02:22.000 Okay, can I just address something you just said, Satan?

01:02:25.000 Yes.

01:02:26.000 On time.

01:02:26.000 Now, this is a very funny term.

01:02:28.000 Thank God I'm reading David Grape.

01:02:30.000 Here's a great term, on time, right?

01:02:32.000 So, like...

01:02:33.000 Time.

01:02:34.000 Boss, the problem is that, like, the thing you're doing with time or being on time...

01:02:39.000 That's a relatively new imposition into society.

01:02:44.000 And it started with clock towers.

01:02:46.000 During the Industrial Revolution, they put clock towers up so that people always knew what time it was so they wouldn't be late for going to work in a factory, you see.

01:02:56.000 There was a time when people weren't, like, obsessed with their fucking watch because the idea that you could sell time...

01:03:05.000 Here's what it is, sir. 0.98

01:03:06.000 You think you and I have entered into a contract where for some ridiculous reason I've agreed to sell you eight hours of time, my time per day.

01:03:15.000 It's essentially a form of slavery.

01:03:18.000 It's a kind of like slavery, except I get to go free for a certain amount of hours per week.

01:03:25.000 Yeah, we can call it that with less of the power I can leave anytime I want.

01:03:30.000 Indentured servants, I don't think they could because they were kind of trapped.

01:03:34.000 Certain jobs are kind of trapped.

01:03:36.000 Well, you could quit most jobs.

01:03:38.000 I mean, that's kind of the rationalization that people use is they're like, you can leave anytime you want, bud.

01:03:43.000 You can leave anytime you want.

01:03:44.000 The hard jobs are those jobs where people work for salary and their time is just whatever the project takes.

01:03:52.000 Like, do you ever talk to somebody who works on video games?

01:03:54.000 Right, no.

01:03:56.000 I've met very few people.

01:03:57.000 I mean, I've met a few, but it's like they don't work in the big companies.

01:04:00.000 Dude, the hours that they put in before a video game is released is insane.

01:04:05.000 A lot of them just sleep in the offices.

01:04:07.000 They're working 16 hours a day just coding.

01:04:10.000 They're all living on top of each other.

01:04:13.000 Yeah.

01:04:14.000 Dude.

01:04:14.000 Brutal.

01:04:15.000 Dude.

01:04:16.000 Brutal.

01:04:17.000 Brutal.

01:04:17.000 Yeah, brutal.

01:04:20.000 That's not a job.

01:04:21.000 You're asking for someone's whole life.

01:04:23.000 That's right.

01:04:24.000 You're asking for the whole life.

01:04:25.000 You occasionally can get away from me and go camping.

01:04:28.000 You occasionally get away from me, have a picnic with your family.

01:04:32.000 You occasionally can get away.

01:04:33.000 But for many, many months, I want you all the time.

01:04:37.000 I just want you there all the time.

01:04:38.000 And in exchange, I'll give you some money.

01:04:42.000 Conceptually, I don't think that this is like a terrible situation as long as the person is really into what they're doing, right?

01:04:49.000 And then what we have is just like a kind of like a, I guess you could say what a capitalist commune or I don't know what you'd call it.

01:04:58.000 It's like a group of people communing together, seeking to like extract money from the universe.

01:05:03.000 But also, like, you know what comes to mind? 0.98

01:05:07.000 Sorry, anyone from Blizzard who's listening who doesn't like your job there, but I went on this tour of Blizzard, and they fucking... 0.97

01:05:14.000 It's a company that makes video games. 0.88

01:05:16.000 They make the best video games outside of, like, the only game I notch up with it right now.

01:05:23.000 I'm into God of War. 0.95

01:05:24.000 It's so fucking good, but... 0.97

01:05:25.000 It looks pretty badass. 0.97

01:05:26.000 It is amazing.

01:05:27.000 It is amazing.

01:05:28.000 Look at you.

01:05:29.000 Look at you.

01:05:30.000 Dude, it's the first Triple-A game I've liked in so long.

01:05:33.000 What's a Triple-A game?

01:05:34.000 It's called Triple-A, right?

01:05:35.000 Triple-A. It's a really expensive game to make.

01:05:37.000 It's like a hardcore, big-time...

01:05:40.000 Pull up a video.

01:05:41.000 Let me see God of War.

01:05:42.000 God, it's so... 0.92

01:05:43.000 The graphics are pretty fucking incredible. 0.91

01:05:45.000 Dude, dude. 0.84

01:05:46.000 It's beautiful.

01:05:47.000 Don't get me... 1.00

01:05:48.000 Fuck the alien damn bullshit. 1.00

01:05:50.000 God of War is like... 1.00

01:05:52.000 It's so good, man.

01:05:54.000 And like, I'm stuck in it right now.

01:05:56.000 So you put on the HTC Vive today, the new one that we have, but you didn't get into a game yet.

01:06:00.000 There's some games in it where you're just like, whoa, I see where this is going.

01:06:04.000 And I saw that from yours.

01:06:05.000 But yours was...

01:06:07.000 When I was over at your place, what was that?

01:06:08.000 Two or three years ago?

01:06:10.000 Probably two years ago.

01:06:11.000 Look how good that is.

01:06:12.000 Kratos.

01:06:13.000 Look how good that is.

01:06:14.000 You can see the dirt on his hands.

01:06:16.000 It's like you're watching an episode of Vikings.

01:06:17.000 Dude, it's really good.

01:06:18.000 And it's like... 1.00

01:06:20.000 It's our bitch-ass fucking thing freezing up again. 1.00

01:06:22.000 Here it goes. 1.00

01:06:23.000 So this is actual gameplay?

01:06:25.000 Yeah.

01:06:25.000 See, why is this doing this?

01:06:26.000 That's fucking gameplay, dude. 0.99

01:06:27.000 That's gameplay. 1.00

01:06:28.000 That's gameplay.

01:06:29.000 That's amazing.

01:06:30.000 Yeah, it's incredible.

01:06:32.000 It's amazing.

01:06:33.000 She's so hot. 0.97

01:06:34.000 She's very hot. 0.99

01:06:35.000 I know. 0.99

01:06:35.000 Do you think you could hang out with a chick who's like cut people's heads off with swords? 0.99

01:06:38.000 Yes. 1.00

01:06:43.000 Absolutely.

01:06:44.000 Look at her.

01:06:45.000 Look at him, brother.

01:06:46.000 Her.

01:06:47.000 Look at this. 0.99

01:06:47.000 This is fucking badass, dude. 0.99

01:06:48.000 But it's not just... 0.98

01:06:50.000 Dude, what's great about this game is not just the graphics, which are incredible, or the fight mechanics, which are also incredible, but the fucking story is really good, and the acting is really good, and the relationships between characters are really intense. 0.84

01:07:07.000 This game will make you tear up, man. 0.99

01:07:09.000 Damn. 1.00

01:07:11.000 Holy shit, you see what he just did? 1.00

01:07:13.000 Chopped that dude in half with an axe. 1.00

01:07:14.000 Holy fuck. 1.00

01:07:16.000 He just got smashed by a giant. 1.00

01:07:18.000 He got smashed.

01:07:19.000 He gets smashed a lot.

01:07:20.000 But he's Kratos, the God of War. 0.99

01:07:21.000 He doesn't give a fuck. 1.00

01:07:23.000 Does not give a fuck. 1.00

01:07:25.000 Man, that... 0.99

01:07:25.000 This is incredible. 0.99

01:07:26.000 I wouldn't even show much more of this.

01:07:28.000 It's spoilers.

01:07:28.000 I don't want anybody to see any of the characters or to know what's happening because it's that good.

01:07:32.000 Like, it's such a good game.

01:07:34.000 Most games, the way I've played video games, is I try to rush through it for some reason, which is really dumb, to be like, oh, I gotta win this thing.

01:07:41.000 This one, you want to hang out.

01:07:44.000 Look around.

01:07:45.000 Like, see the...

01:07:46.000 The landscape.

01:07:47.000 You get really into it.

01:07:49.000 It's a glorious game.

01:07:51.000 To get back to what we were talking about, at Blizzard, one of the people working there told me, we...

01:08:02.000 I like building World of Warcraft because we like playing World of Warcraft.

01:08:08.000 We've created a dimension we want to be inside of.

01:08:11.000 We enjoy it.

01:08:13.000 They love it.

01:08:14.000 And that's why the game is so good, because it's being made by people who enjoy playing the game.

01:08:20.000 So I don't know how many hours they work at Blizzard.

01:08:22.000 I imagine it can be a pretty brutal schedule.

01:08:25.000 But...

01:08:26.000 And anything you do, even things you love, I know, become grueling.

01:08:30.000 But I think that example of a company versus a company where you're, like, either doing something that you don't even need to be there to do.

01:08:40.000 Right.

01:08:40.000 No comparison.

01:08:42.000 No comparison.

01:08:43.000 No.

01:08:43.000 I mean, it might be massive hours a day, but I bet you're having a great time a lot of the time, and the actual result's insane.

01:08:50.000 You know, I was friends with a lot of those guys from id Software back in the Quake 2 days, and played Quake 3. I got to play Quake 3 before it ever came out.

01:08:58.000 I was with you.

01:08:59.000 That's right.

01:09:00.000 That's right, in Dallas.

01:09:01.000 Cliff.

01:09:02.000 No, that's Cliffy B. Id Software is Doom and Quake.

01:09:07.000 Cliffy B is Unreal.

01:09:10.000 I was with you when Cliffy B gave us a tour.

01:09:12.000 I didn't see the Quake tour.

01:09:13.000 Sorry, dude.

01:09:14.000 They're both amazing.

01:09:15.000 We got to see Unreal Tournament.

01:09:18.000 When they were putting that together and they were putting together this new engine that wound up being used in a bunch of different games afterward. 0.93

01:09:25.000 But it was fucking crazy.

01:09:27.000 We get to see the graphics like as they're designing things and same thing with the Quake Studios. 0.98

01:09:32.000 But those guys all were crazy gamers.

01:09:34.000 They would get LAN parties and sync all the things.

01:09:37.000 We played at the id Software.

01:09:38.000 We got to play death matches between everybody in the studio.

01:09:41.000 It was awesome.

01:09:43.000 To play Quake with the guys who made Quake. 0.95

01:09:45.000 Fucking cool. 0.99

01:09:46.000 The funnest shit ever. 1.00

01:09:47.000 Fucking cool, man. 0.99

01:09:48.000 And, you know, I mean, what they did was... 0.85

01:09:53.000 If you've never played one of those games before, the three-dimensional games when you're running down, you hear things over here behind you, and you can turn around and sneak around corners, and people are chasing around the map, and sometimes you can walk and it doesn't make any noise,

01:10:09.000 or you can run and you can hear the footsteps.

01:10:11.000 Fucking cool. 1.00

01:10:12.000 Fuck! 1.00

01:10:12.000 It's the crazy... 1.00

01:10:13.000 There's so adrenaline-packed when you're playing those games.

01:10:16.000 These guys...

01:10:17.000 I'm so terrified we're putting a LAN in here.

01:10:21.000 In the next couple weeks?

01:10:22.000 I know you are.

01:10:23.000 Oh, you and I, we're gonna have some fun. 0.99

01:10:25.000 Well, no we're not, because you're gonna beat me at fucking Quake. 1.00

01:10:28.000 I suck at shooters, dude. 0.99

01:10:29.000 I haven't played in forever. 0.88

01:10:30.000 Please.

01:10:31.000 I haven't played in forever.

01:10:32.000 I'll probably be terrible.

01:10:35.000 For at least the first 16 hours.

01:10:37.000 If I like had a shrink ray and shrunk you like into like an eight-year-old, you would still beat me at shooters. 1.00

01:10:44.000 I suck at fucking shooters, man. 1.00

01:10:46.000 What is your thing? 1.00

01:10:46.000 What do you like? 1.00

01:10:47.000 You like those role-playing games?

01:10:49.000 I don't want to say it, dude, because you're gonna make fun of me.

01:10:52.000 I won't.

01:10:52.000 I won't do it.

01:10:52.000 Come on, fella.

01:10:53.000 I like Hearthstone, man.

01:10:54.000 What is that?

01:10:56.000 I don't even know what it is. 0.99

01:10:58.000 I fucking fell for it, man. 0.99

01:10:59.000 I didn't even fall for it. 1.00

01:11:00.000 I'm being sincere.

01:11:01.000 I don't know what it is.

01:11:02.000 It's an online fantasy card game.

01:11:04.000 It's like a furry thing.

01:11:06.000 Like furries?

01:11:07.000 I love comedians so much.

01:11:10.000 Because it's like I knew you were going to insult me.

01:11:12.000 I just didn't know how.

01:11:15.000 And the way you did it was way worse than I expected.

01:11:19.000 Like you pretend to be a fox, right?

01:11:21.000 You're like foxkin? 1.00

01:11:22.000 Are you otherkin? 1.00

01:11:24.000 No, it's not like fucking furries! 1.00

01:11:25.000 Is that what it is? 0.99

01:11:26.000 You just get a kick out of it?

01:11:27.000 Do you ever do it in your footy pajamas?

01:11:29.000 With like a little bunny rabbit tail on?

01:11:34.000 I'm in the woods, and I'm a rabbit.

01:11:38.000 I've got to be clever to get away from the fox.

01:11:40.000 Let me tell you something. 0.98

01:11:43.000 It's a wonderful fucking game, and it's deep, and it's got a lot of strategy, and I love playing it, man. 0.99

01:11:50.000 I really do. 0.98

01:11:51.000 I'm not good at it anymore.

01:11:52.000 I went through a period of being good.

01:11:54.000 I haven't played it in a while, because I've been playing God of War.

01:11:58.000 Oh, look at this.

01:11:58.000 Is this it?

01:11:59.000 Yeah.

01:12:00.000 This looks like death.

01:12:02.000 What is happening?

01:12:04.000 What is happening here?

01:12:06.000 Let's see.

01:12:07.000 They're cards?

01:12:07.000 Yeah, they're cards.

01:12:09.000 Basically, I'm not going to explain the rules of Hearthstone on your show, dude.

01:12:13.000 Please don't.

01:12:17.000 It's a great game!

01:12:18.000 This is killing me.

01:12:19.000 It's a great, very fun, very enjoyable game.

01:12:23.000 It's a good game for nine-year-old girls.

01:12:25.000 That's what it looks like.

01:12:27.000 I get it for my kids.

01:12:28.000 I'm just thinking, like, all I had to do is save StarCraft, or I could have lied, but I knew I had to tell you the truth.

01:12:33.000 But I knew you were addicted to that.

01:12:34.000 You had a real problem with that.

01:12:36.000 For a while.

01:12:37.000 You and I mirror each other in our video game addictive tendencies.

01:12:41.000 Right.

01:12:41.000 We're both like...

01:12:43.000 Yeah.

01:12:44.000 Gotta be careful.

01:12:45.000 But, dude, you know, this is something I was thinking I wanted to bring up during the podcast, man.

01:12:49.000 It's like when we first started hanging out.

01:12:52.000 You told me something I've never forgotten, and it's from The Book of Five Rings by Miyamoto Musashi.

01:13:04.000 And you mentioned something from that book, which is that learn one thing.

01:13:13.000 And you'll know how to do a lot of other stuff, right?

01:13:16.000 Yeah.

01:13:17.000 So he would, apparently, he was a samurai.

01:13:23.000 And so he recommended for samurai not just to learn the sword, but to learn poetry, learn how to paint, learn how to do this stuff.

01:13:30.000 Because in the meta process of learning, there's something in there that fits onto all forms of learning, right?

01:13:40.000 You don't want to be too hard, but you don't want to be too soft.

01:13:43.000 You want to be a balance.

01:13:45.000 In a balance, you have to be artistic and destructive.

01:13:48.000 You have to be loving and hating.

01:13:51.000 He played games with his opponents.

01:13:54.000 He didn't just fight nobly. 1.00

01:13:56.000 He was an asshole. 1.00

01:13:57.000 He would show up hours late for duels and make the guy wait. 1.00

01:14:01.000 So he knew the guy would be freaking out. 0.99

01:14:03.000 He would show up sometimes with wooden swords instead of metal swords to fuck with their heads. 0.99

01:14:07.000 One time he whittled a sword out of an oar of the boat that he... 0.99

01:14:12.000 Rode over to the beach where he's supposed to have the sword fight, showed up hours late, fucked the dude up with an oar. 0.58

01:14:19.000 Yeah, he would play games with people.

01:14:21.000 He knew that there was psychological warfare in him showing up late.

01:14:25.000 Right.

01:14:26.000 You know?

01:14:26.000 Right.

01:14:27.000 Yeah, and do you remember the first sentence of the book?

01:14:31.000 I do not.

01:14:31.000 I remember the quote that you just were talking about because I say it all the time.

01:14:35.000 It's like the reason why I have this tattoo on my arm.

01:14:37.000 This is Musashi, you know?

01:14:38.000 Yeah.

01:14:39.000 It's once you understand the way broadly, or once you know the way broadly, you'll see it in all things.

01:14:43.000 That.

01:14:44.000 Yeah.

01:14:44.000 Which is also as above so below.

01:14:48.000 It's another way of saying that.

01:14:50.000 So it's the concept that if I practice something, for example, like right now, like I'm learning how to do modular synthesis.

01:15:02.000 Like I have modular synths.

01:15:03.000 They're badass.

01:15:04.000 It's like for making music, right?

01:15:06.000 I'm 44. I'm not like thinking to myself like, man, one day I'm going to be fucking... 0.99

01:15:11.000 Space Nectar! 0.98

01:15:12.000 I'm not thinking that, you know what I mean?

01:15:14.000 I don't even think I'll perform live with them ever.

01:15:18.000 But I got sucked into it, and now I'm taking it seriously.

01:15:23.000 So I'm learning how to do it for real.

01:15:26.000 And then that pulls you into, like, music theory, right?

01:15:29.000 So now you start looking at, well, what is this song?

01:15:31.000 And why does this song...

01:15:33.000 Why is a song set up like it is?

01:15:36.000 And what are notes?

01:15:37.000 And what's a tone?

01:15:38.000 Right?

01:15:39.000 What's an oscillator?

01:15:40.000 What are these things?

01:15:41.000 And then, like, from that you get pulled into, like, Pythagoras, you know? 0.89

01:15:45.000 And then suddenly you're, like, reading, like, shit by Pythagoras, who, like, had another great quote, which is, do not take the roads traveled by the public. 0.92

01:15:55.000 That's pretty awesome. 0.98

01:15:56.000 Which means, isn't that badass?

01:15:58.000 But anyway, the point is, like, Because I've been studying the modular synthesizer, now when I sit down and play guitar, I'm a little better at it.

01:16:09.000 But then where it gets fucking weird is, when I sit down and play like God of War, I'm a little better at that too.

01:16:17.000 And then when I'm thinking about cutting tomatoes, for example, something really basic, and the pressure I'm exerting to cut the tomato versus the sharpness of the knife, I think about music, and I think about, whoa, in a weird way, 0.87

01:16:33.000 my knife is like a...

01:16:34.000 You won't know what this is, maybe.

01:16:37.000 Like, my knife is like a CV gate, which is like...

01:16:40.000 If you have a tone, like...

01:16:42.000 A gate might be an on-and-off, like, switch that makes the tone go...

01:16:49.000 Right, right, right. 0.99

01:16:50.000 So suddenly the shit you're learning from like, and by the way, synth nerds out there, I don't know what I just fucking said. 0.99

01:16:55.000 I've already fucked it up. 0.99

01:16:56.000 I'm sorry.

01:16:56.000 I'm learning.

01:16:57.000 Synth nerds. 0.99

01:16:58.000 But what I'm saying is it's like what he was teaching is so powerful, which is like you don't just get good at one thing.

01:17:08.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:17:08.000 It bleeds into other shit in your life too. 0.98

01:17:12.000 Sure. 0.99

01:17:12.000 That is an incredible thing for me to realize, man. 0.99

01:17:16.000 It's been pretty intense because...

01:17:18.000 Like what you were saying, if you're a 20-year-old, people expect you to be learning something, this or that.

01:17:28.000 But when you're in your 40s, you could trick yourself into thinking like, I don't need to learn how to do anything anymore.

01:17:36.000 And then you're basically turning down all the lights in your life, because when you start working on something, This is why I was going to ask you, man.

01:17:45.000 Maybe even video games.

01:17:46.000 Oh, for sure video games do.

01:17:48.000 We dismiss them because they were thought of as frivolous exercises and we embrace chess and go and all that.

01:17:54.000 And even poker.

01:17:55.000 Because we know that it's an intellectual pursuit. 0.97

01:17:57.000 Real poker players are all super fucking smart guys. 0.71

01:18:00.000 The guys that were really good at it. 0.95

01:18:01.000 I think that we do that with video games because at one point in time they were just Pong and then they were Mario Brothers and they were silliness and fun.

01:18:10.000 You get the mushroom and have a good time. 0.99

01:18:12.000 And Pac-Man and all that shit. 0.99

01:18:14.000 But now, when you see God of War, you're like, okay. 0.99

01:18:17.000 Well, clearly your brain is firing on all cylinders when you're doing that.

01:18:21.000 That's right. 0.99

01:18:22.000 You're swinging that axe and switching to the spear and doing this and jumping there and chopping this dude in half and getting away from the guy with the fucking flying log he's throwing at you. 0.99

01:18:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:18:32.000 That's your brain.

01:18:33.000 Your brain's firing left and right. 1.00

01:18:34.000 The idea that this is totally useless seems stupid. 1.00

01:18:38.000 Yeah, so I think that potentially through anything... 0.99

01:18:43.000 The problem with video games is you can play them and actually not get better at them because you just are slashing and pressing buttons and shit.

01:18:51.000 You can focus, but I think when your attention and focus gets put on improving anything, Like, theoretically, I imagine if you just started working on drawing a circle, or drawing like a perfect circle,

01:19:08.000 and just spent day after day working on that pursuit, sounds insane.

01:19:14.000 Like, you'd look crazy to your friends. 0.99

01:19:15.000 But potentially, Other shit in your life, you'd start improving at too. 0.99

01:19:22.000 Your mind gets a little sharper, maybe. 0.98

01:19:24.000 Maybe it's just some kind of neurogenesis or something.

01:19:26.000 I don't know.

01:19:26.000 It's exercise.

01:19:27.000 It's exercise for your mind.

01:19:28.000 For sure, your brain is very, very active when you're playing a video game.

01:19:32.000 You know, I know when I would play Quake, my hands would get so sweaty that I would put antiperspirant on my hands.

01:19:38.000 I would spray antiperspirant all over my hands and then I would blow on them to keep them from getting so sweaty because my fingers would barely, they would slip around all over the keyboard.

01:19:50.000 I'd leave puddles in the keys.

01:19:51.000 My mouse would get soaking wet.

01:19:53.000 I would be dripping all over the mouse pad and the ball would get stuck.

01:19:57.000 Then it eventually became a laser beam, laser tracking.

01:20:00.000 First it sucked, then it got way better.

01:20:02.000 First it was like you wanted that ball. 0.80

01:20:03.000 You wanted to feel the ball underneath the mouse.

01:20:07.000 Because you got that tactile sensation.

01:20:09.000 But then it got to a point where these laser ones were so much more accurate.

01:20:12.000 And they never fuck up.

01:20:13.000 They just became better. 0.99

01:20:14.000 That shit has always been really odd to me when you look at a gaming mouse and it says how precise it is. 0.99

01:20:20.000 Oh, dude. 0.99

01:20:21.000 The DPIs.

01:20:22.000 Yeah, the DPIs.

01:20:23.000 Yeah, the DPIs.

01:20:24.000 I remember Razormouse had one that was 2,000 DPI, the Mamba, and it was crazy.

01:20:29.000 You'd play with the thing and be like, Jesus Christ, it was so fast, but it was an odd shape, like it was a duck foot.

01:20:36.000 Do you remember that?

01:20:36.000 Yeah, I was going to say, wait, see, the ones now, there's a button on it, you can switch mid-game depending on what you're doing or what you need.

01:20:41.000 You can set up your DPI from up to 8,000, 10,000, 16,000, down to 200, 100. I wonder why you would need it slower.

01:20:50.000 Why would you want it slower?

01:20:51.000 There's some games, like, you don't need to be moving that much.

01:20:54.000 It might be a sniper, so you need very small adjustments, and you can make big moves with your hands and have still a small adjustment.

01:21:00.000 Yeah, some guys, when the adrenaline would kick in, they would like a slow mouse speed and a big mouse pad, and they would move the pad around like that, and they felt more precise that way than they were with a small pad and a high speed.

01:21:12.000 Because some guys used to, like, do little wrist flicks with, like, super high speed, and you would try their mouse.

01:21:17.000 You'd be like, hey, man, Can I try your setup?

01:21:19.000 Because everybody's setup is different.

01:21:20.000 And I would try their setup and be like, Jesus, how do you even concentrate?

01:21:23.000 This is crazy.

01:21:24.000 You're moving so fast.

01:21:25.000 They would have their speed just jacked.

01:21:27.000 And they would have mouse acceleration.

01:21:29.000 You know what mouse acceleration is?

01:21:30.000 Yeah.

01:21:31.000 So if you move faster, it actually goes faster.

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:33.000 Almost like you're throwing a whip.

01:21:35.000 Yeah.

01:21:35.000 I know, dude.

01:21:36.000 You need that in StarCraft.

01:21:38.000 You do need that, too?

01:21:39.000 Oh, absolutely.

01:21:40.000 Yeah.

01:21:41.000 It's very important, getting your mouse set at the right speed, and then you get used to that speed. 0.63

01:21:45.000 So if your mouse is fucked up, you're definitely going to make bad decisions. 0.52

01:21:50.000 But I never got... 0.99

01:21:52.000 Okay, it's StarCraft.

01:21:55.000 I think I got up to like, I don't know, maybe Silver League or something like that.

01:22:00.000 What does that mean?

01:22:02.000 It's not a big deal.

01:22:03.000 Would you have a purple belt?

01:22:04.000 What's the belt after white belt?

01:22:06.000 Blue.

01:22:07.000 What's the one after that?

01:22:08.000 Purple.

01:22:08.000 It's probably blue.

01:22:10.000 Blue belt? 0.69

01:22:10.000 Because Bronze League is where I stayed forever. 0.69

01:22:13.000 That's the white belt stage? 0.87

01:22:14.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:22:16.000 Mercilessly getting my fucking ass handed to me in Bronze League. 1.00

01:22:19.000 And then, like, finally I figured it out a little bit. 1.00

01:22:21.000 Enough where I popped into the Silver League. 0.99

01:22:24.000 And then you want to go back to the fucking Bronze League. 0.99

01:22:26.000 Because once you get to the Silver League, you can't do a fucking early game baneling rush. 0.99

01:22:33.000 You can't, like... 0.99

01:22:34.000 Can't do that? 1.00

01:22:35.000 Fuck no. 1.00

01:22:35.000 You can't do any of that shit. 1.00

01:22:37.000 And when you try it, they're going to make fun of you. 1.00

01:22:41.000 They're going to kill you. 0.93

01:22:42.000 No, but they're also going to be like, what? 1.00

01:22:44.000 What are you doing, you fucking noob? 1.00

01:22:47.000 Fuck you. 1.00

01:22:48.000 Why are you doing that shit? 1.00

01:22:49.000 I wanted a real game. 1.00

01:22:50.000 You're going to do some early game bailing rush? 0.99

01:22:54.000 You know when people would get super mad when their fucking connection would time out and they would be stuck in the game and you'd fuck them up? 0.99

01:23:01.000 They'd be stuck frozen and you'd just light them up. 0.99

01:23:04.000 You know, like, sometimes you'd use your smallest gun and just slowly pick away their health. 0.99

01:23:09.000 Or you'd punch them. 0.95

01:23:13.000 Remember in the old Quake games you could punch dudes? 0.97

01:23:16.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 Yeah.

01:23:17.000 There was some video that popped up of that new game, Fortnite Everybody's Playing, and it was on Reddit.

01:23:23.000 It was like the worst Fortnite player ever because it's someone who clearly got up to go get chips, and the dude's shooting at them and can't hit a still person.

01:23:34.000 Yeah, man.

01:23:35.000 Games are badass these days, man.

01:23:37.000 I really love them, but I do think to myself, probably just because I'm like...

01:23:45.000 An older person, I do think there's like a hierarchy of like, what's good to do.

01:23:51.000 And I think it's better.

01:23:52.000 For me, it's better.

01:23:53.000 I like learning music right now.

01:23:55.000 I like sitting down, picking some basic thing about music, figuring out one little thing about a module, one of my synths and what it does and understanding it and then like unfolding that into something bigger.

01:24:09.000 And that can lead to hours of it.

01:24:12.000 Whereas like if I sit down and play God of War, You know, that's also going to lead to ours.

01:24:17.000 But at the end of it, I'm going to know more about a story.

01:24:20.000 Whereas the other one, I'm going to know a little bit more about math and like how sound works in general, which is a fascinating thing altogether.

01:24:30.000 You know, so I don't know.

01:24:31.000 What do you think? 0.99

01:24:32.000 Is like they're a hierarchy of shit to do? 0.99

01:24:34.000 No, I don't think there is. 0.99

01:24:35.000 I think there's a hierarchy in elevated passion levels.

01:24:39.000 It's like, what are you passionate about?

01:24:41.000 Say if you were doing something and you were very apathetic about it, but then there was this other thing that you did that once you started...

01:24:49.000 For some people, the World Cup was on today.

01:24:52.000 I went to get a cup of coffee and they had the World Cup on.

01:24:54.000 Yeah.

01:24:55.000 And all these guys are gathering around watching the World Cup.

01:24:57.000 To me, it's just some dudes running around.

01:24:58.000 I don't know what's going on.

01:24:59.000 I like it.

01:25:00.000 It's fine.

01:25:01.000 It's great.

01:25:01.000 It's good.

01:25:02.000 But for them, there was clearly, and for the world, for all the people watching in the stands, there's an elevated level of passion for that.

01:25:08.000 Now, if that was your thing, I would say, maybe you could be a commentator, or maybe you could be a player, or maybe you could be someone who produces one of those soccer shows or something like that.

01:25:16.000 There's plenty of gigs for that.

01:25:18.000 Right.

01:25:18.000 But if that's your thing, and instead you get into...

01:25:22.000 Shoe sales, like Al Bundy, you know, after a while that shit chips away at you. 0.99

01:25:26.000 You're like, this is not what I like. 0.98

01:25:28.000 What I like is, I want to play soccer, I want to watch soccer, I want to talk about soccer, I want to commentate on soccer.

01:25:35.000 You gotta find the thing.

01:25:37.000 And you're like, oh, not everybody can commentate on soccer.

01:25:39.000 That is true. 0.92

01:25:40.000 But it's also a loser mentality.

01:25:43.000 Like, someone can.

01:25:45.000 Yeah, not everybody can.

01:25:46.000 But how many people try?

01:25:47.000 That's the other thing.

01:25:48.000 Like, people say, not everybody can be a successful comedian.

01:25:51.000 You're right.

01:25:52.000 How many people try, though?

01:25:53.000 Right.

01:25:54.000 Not that many people try.

01:25:56.000 More people could do it than try.

01:26:00.000 I think there's a bunch of people out there that could.

01:26:02.000 I've told you about this guy, my friend Dave Dolan, who was my boss.

01:26:06.000 He was a private investigator when I was a kid.

01:26:09.000 I got a gig driving him around.

01:26:11.000 He needed an assistant.

01:26:13.000 Really, he got a DUI. They took his license away and needed a driver.

01:26:17.000 He was the funniest guy I've ever met.

01:26:19.000 He was right up there with Joey Diaz.

01:26:20.000 Wow.

01:26:21.000 So funny, man.

01:26:22.000 And, you know, no aspirations for comedy at all.

01:26:25.000 And his cousin was Billy Downs, who was one of the owners of the Comedy Connection in Boston.

01:26:31.000 So his cousin was a former comedian who owned a comedy club and just randomly became friends with him from an ad on, like, you know, like one of those newspaper ads for a job seeking a private investigator's assistant.

01:26:45.000 I'm like, that sounds like a cool job.

01:26:47.000 Wow.

01:26:47.000 Yeah.

01:26:48.000 But this guy easily could have been a comic.

01:26:51.000 Like, 100% could have been a comic. 0.99

01:26:53.000 He was a funny fucking dude. 0.99

01:26:56.000 And he was always the guy that if a bunch of people were saying around, he would say something totally ridiculous, look you in the eye and say it, and everybody would be laughing. 0.99

01:27:03.000 It was just natural.

01:27:05.000 He was just a naturally funny guy.

01:27:06.000 Just didn't do it.

01:27:08.000 Did he like being a private investigator?

01:27:09.000 Loved it.

01:27:10.000 There you go.

01:27:11.000 Loved busting people.

01:27:12.000 Yeah.

01:27:14.000 Cheaters.

01:27:15.000 Mostly people who were cheating on their insurance.

01:27:17.000 That was mostly.

01:27:19.000 There was a few. 0.99

01:27:20.000 He had one guy who kept asking him to take pictures of his girlfriend getting fucked by this giant bodybuilder dude. 1.00

01:27:28.000 And after a while, he's like, hey, dude, enough with this kinky shit. 1.00

01:27:32.000 I'm not giving you any more fucking pictures. 0.99

01:27:34.000 He threw it at the dude. 1.00

01:27:36.000 He's like, get the fuck out of here with this. 0.95

01:27:38.000 He goes like, what else do you want, bro? 0.95

01:27:40.000 I got the pictures. 1.00

01:27:42.000 You're not gonna get more pictures, you fucking idiot. 1.00

01:27:44.000 That's so funny. 1.00

01:27:46.000 That's so funny.

01:27:47.000 Why didn't the guy just hire a photographer, right?

01:27:49.000 Well, he was this really wealthy, but diminutive, very non-masculine man.

01:27:57.000 And he had this bombshell girl that he had figured out a way to get a part of.

01:28:01.000 Yeah.

01:28:02.000 But she was just getting drilled on the side.

01:28:05.000 Did she know he was getting pictures taken?

01:28:07.000 I don't think she did.

01:28:09.000 No.

01:28:09.000 I don't think she did.

01:28:10.000 Because that's what it sounds like to me.

01:28:11.000 It sounds like a fetish game where he's like...

01:28:13.000 It seems like it, but I don't think it was.

01:28:15.000 I think it was just a weak guy who didn't know what to do.

01:28:18.000 Because they would be on the beach.

01:28:19.000 He'd get pictures of him on the beach making out and stuff.

01:28:22.000 Like, he got enough pictures.

01:28:24.000 A lot of these guys, I mean, I don't, yeah.

01:28:26.000 I don't know, man.

01:28:26.000 That to me sounds a little bit like...

01:28:28.000 Well, that's what he thought a little bit.

01:28:29.000 He thought the guy was a little bit of a freak.

01:28:31.000 But at the end of the day, he was like, look, come on. 1.00

01:28:33.000 You know, with his fucking heavy Boston accent. 1.00

01:28:35.000 Bro, I got you your fucking pictures. 1.00

01:28:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:28:37.000 Make a move. 1.00

01:28:38.000 Right.

01:28:38.000 Not taking it anymore.

01:28:40.000 Right.

01:28:40.000 It's hilarious.

01:28:40.000 Thank you.

01:28:41.000 See you later. 0.98

01:28:41.000 That sucks. 0.98

01:28:42.000 That's a shit job. 1.00

01:28:43.000 I wouldn't want to do that. 1.00

01:28:44.000 He loved busting people.

01:28:46.000 That's not his thing.

01:28:47.000 He didn't really like it.

01:28:48.000 That was rare.

01:28:49.000 Most of the time he worked for insurance companies.

01:28:51.000 Most of the time it was like, say if you were married and you were a woman and you had a different maiden name, you would get injured on the job and then you would start using your maiden name and take a job on the side while you're getting workman's compensation.

01:29:03.000 So people would get double paid.

01:29:05.000 Whoa! 0.71

01:29:05.000 Yeah, and they would have to leave their jobs. 0.71

01:29:07.000 People would leave their jobs super early in the morning.

01:29:09.000 So we would camp out in front of people's houses where we would get there at 4 o'clock in the morning When everybody's asleep, we'd sit in the car across the street, and we'd wait.

01:29:17.000 Sometimes earlier.

01:29:18.000 And we'd wait.

01:29:19.000 And we'd wait.

01:29:20.000 Five-thirty roll around, and then you'd see some light go on, and then you're like, he's up, he's up, he's up.

01:29:24.000 Here he goes, here he goes. 1.00

01:29:25.000 This motherfucker's going to work. 0.99

01:29:27.000 And this is a guy who's supposed to be laid up in bed, and we'd catch him working as a roofer. 1.00

01:29:31.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:29:32.000 Carrying shingles up a ladder. 1.00

01:29:34.000 And they're getting disability insurance.

01:29:36.000 Yeah.

01:29:37.000 So that was a really common thing.

01:29:38.000 Most of it was disability insurance. 0.98

01:29:40.000 Man, what a fucked up state of life to get into where you're doing insurance fraud. 0.98

01:29:47.000 That's a sad existence to get into that spot where you're like, I'm gonna give it to the man. 0.99

01:29:54.000 I've come up with a scheme, honey.

01:29:57.000 You know, someone from the comedy store.

01:29:58.000 I probably can't mention their name.

01:29:59.000 But sometimes it's not like that, man.

01:30:01.000 See, this is the thing.

01:30:02.000 It was nice people.

01:30:03.000 They just didn't know better. 1.00

01:30:05.000 And I don't say that like they're stupid. 1.00

01:30:07.000 I say that like they didn't think they were going to get caught. 1.00

01:30:10.000 They didn't think it was that big a deal.

01:30:12.000 They didn't think through it very well.

01:30:14.000 There was one lady who was so nice. 0.92

01:30:17.000 He had a scam.

01:30:18.000 This was a scam.

01:30:19.000 Say if your license plate number, he would write down your license plate number and then write down one that was really close to it and write down another one that was really close to that.

01:30:27.000 And then he would knock on your door.

01:30:29.000 They'd say, I hate to bother you, but my girlfriend was in a car accident, and the police report where they had the witness's driver's license number, some coffee got spilt on the report, and they don't know exactly what the license number is.

01:30:45.000 We've checked these two.

01:30:46.000 It's not them.

01:30:47.000 I have a friend who works in the DMV, and they hooked me up.

01:30:50.000 And then you tell her an injury.

01:30:51.000 Oh, I'm sorry.

01:30:53.000 Well, what happened to her?

01:30:54.000 Is she okay?

01:30:54.000 She's okay, but she did this.

01:30:56.000 Oh my God, I had that same injury.

01:30:58.000 You tell them the injury that they had that's giving them workman's compensation.

01:31:04.000 Yeah, I had the same.

01:31:05.000 That's terrible.

01:31:06.000 Do you guys want to come in and have a cup of coffee? 1.00

01:31:08.000 She invites us in the fucking house. 1.00

01:31:10.000 Strangers. 1.00

01:31:11.000 This is what people did in the 80s, dude.

01:31:12.000 They invited people in the house like pilgrims. 0.71

01:31:16.000 This lady invited two guys into her house and... 1.00

01:31:22.000 He spins her a yarn about his girlfriend being injured.

01:31:25.000 And she said, I have the exact same problem.

01:31:27.000 And he said, well, what happened?

01:31:28.000 She said, well, I was on the job as a flight attendant and I fell down and hurt myself.

01:31:32.000 And he goes, well, you're getting paid, aren't you?

01:31:34.000 And she goes, oh, not only am I getting paid, but I'm also working under my maiden name at another job.

01:31:39.000 And he's like, oh, yeah, great, great idea.

01:31:43.000 Way to do it.

01:31:44.000 Lady's so nice. 1.00

01:31:44.000 And we got out of there and I was like, man, we can't turn her in. 1.00

01:31:47.000 He's like, fuck. 1.00

01:31:48.000 Fuck her. 1.00

01:31:48.000 She goes. 1.00

01:31:50.000 Wow.

01:31:50.000 She goes.

01:31:51.000 She's a fucking crook. 1.00

01:31:53.000 He goes, that lady's a fucking crook. 1.00

01:31:54.000 I go, she's so nice. 1.00

01:31:55.000 She let us in her house.

01:31:57.000 She gave us coffee. 1.00

01:31:58.000 Fuck her. 1.00

01:31:59.000 I love that shit, man. 1.00

01:32:01.000 How, like, being nice. 1.00

01:32:03.000 Has somehow become synonymous with not being dangerous or a crook.

01:32:08.000 That's a really funny thing.

01:32:10.000 It's true.

01:32:10.000 It's like, because being nice is like, that's like a really great costume to put on.

01:32:14.000 Like, if you want to camouflage yourself and you're a predator, you know, the way the tigers...

01:32:21.000 She wasn't a predator.

01:32:22.000 She was just a lady who didn't think it was a big deal to rip off a corporation. 1.00

01:32:26.000 People grow up thinking corporations are faceless, nameless entities, and you can extract money from them.

01:32:32.000 Yeah.

01:32:32.000 That's the way people think of some liability lawsuits.

01:32:34.000 Like, you slip on some water in the hallway in a big building and you fall down like, oh, I'm hurt.

01:32:41.000 I'm real hurt.

01:32:42.000 You guys didn't protect me.

01:32:43.000 My balance was compromised.

01:32:45.000 I know.

01:32:45.000 I fell on your ground.

01:32:47.000 Yeah.

01:32:48.000 Somebody put some water on your ground. 0.96

01:32:50.000 I'm not responsible for this.

01:32:51.000 I'm going to sue, sue, sue, sue, sue. 1.00

01:32:52.000 Yeah, it's fucked. 1.00

01:32:53.000 It's bad. 1.00

01:32:54.000 That woman was making a terrible mistake. 1.00

01:32:57.000 And your friend, Dolan... 0.97

01:33:00.000 Dynamite dickless Dave Dolan used to call himself.

01:33:02.000 He helped her. 0.90

01:33:03.000 He helped her.

01:33:04.000 He helped her out. 1.00

01:33:05.000 Because that kind of shit, that kind of life... 1.00

01:33:07.000 Stealing. 1.00

01:33:08.000 You want to create...

01:33:09.000 Yeah.

01:33:10.000 Like you want to create a version of that woman where like inside she didn't feel at least a little bad, a little bitter, a little weak, a little off balance.

01:33:21.000 Of course.

01:33:21.000 But reality, the reality is she didn't feel good about that probably.

01:33:25.000 And that's not a great way to live, man.

01:33:28.000 And so by getting corrected by the universe in those ways, You know, I think it's a good thing.

01:33:35.000 I'm glad that, you know, some things aren't illegal, for example, but they are.

01:33:40.000 You know, like, obviously, like, we agree on some of these things, right? 0.89

01:33:44.000 Those things it's fucked up to bust people for. 0.93

01:33:46.000 But if you're stealing, you know, in that way, I don't know, man. 0.97

01:33:53.000 No, you're right.

01:33:54.000 No, you're right.

01:33:55.000 But I would have never turned her in.

01:33:57.000 I would have said, I can't.

01:33:58.000 I would have never been a good private investigator.

01:34:01.000 I feel like a lot of those people, and I was 20 at the time, 21 at the time, at the most, 21 I think.

01:34:12.000 At that time, I was really well aware of like...

01:34:18.000 The neighborhood where my grandparents grew up in, and being around them, and being around my parents who grew up in the 60s, and then my grandparents who grew up...

01:34:29.000 I mean, they were here in the Depression.

01:34:31.000 And there was a different attitude about opportunity.

01:34:35.000 Everybody was poor, right?

01:34:37.000 So everybody would take advantage of every opportunity.

01:34:39.000 And if you got an opportunity to run a scam, you did it.

01:34:43.000 And that's a terrible thing that happens in poor communities, is that people do think of insurance scams, this kind of scam.

01:34:52.000 You've got to think about it like it's a score.

01:34:55.000 Think about it like it's a score.

01:34:56.000 I've heard guys say that to me.

01:34:58.000 I know.

01:34:59.000 Older Italian guys, look, you got to think about this.

01:35:01.000 This is a score, okay? 0.74

01:35:02.000 You can't fuck this up. 0.84

01:35:03.000 You got an opportunity here. 1.00

01:35:04.000 All you have to do is you go to the fucking chiropractor. 1.00

01:35:07.000 My back hurts. 1.00

01:35:08.000 They can't tell you why your back hurts. 1.00

01:35:09.000 Nobody knows why your fucking back hurts, which is true. 1.00

01:35:12.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:12.000 You know, you would go to a chiropractor every day and say, my back is fucking killing me. 0.99

01:35:16.000 I got shooting pain down my leg. 0.95

01:35:17.000 They can't prove it or disprove it.

01:35:19.000 Next thing you know, you get a $35,000 check in the mail.

01:35:22.000 Right.

01:35:23.000 Yeah.

01:35:23.000 You know, man, here's the thing.

01:35:25.000 Number one, I feel like I have to say this.

01:35:26.000 I would not have turned that woman in if I was not a private investigator. 0.74

01:35:31.000 Of course you wouldn't.

01:35:31.000 And Dolan ethically had to turn her in because if he didn't, he would be guilty of stealing from the person who was giving him money to do the job.

01:35:40.000 There was never a question.

01:35:41.000 Right.

01:35:42.000 I mean, that's what he did for a living.

01:35:43.000 He was turning her in.

01:35:44.000 Yeah, but the main problem with stealing Like, you know, sometimes I've been hanging out with people, you leave a grocery store, and somehow they didn't charge for, like, I don't know, a bottle of water or whatever.

01:35:59.000 Like, they didn't see it in the car, right?

01:36:02.000 And the people, some people are like, yeah!

01:36:05.000 I did it!

01:36:06.000 Free water! 1.00

01:36:07.000 They fucked up, right? 1.00

01:36:09.000 And, like, man, I think those people are unaware of this, like, weird law in the universe, which is that you seem to, like, have to – you get shit back times three, it feels like, maybe a little bit more than that. 1.00

01:36:23.000 When you give. 0.97

01:36:24.000 Or take.

01:36:25.000 Or take.

01:36:26.000 So, like, if you steal a $2 bottle of water – now, this is my superstition – You're gonna end up paying like at least six bucks for that bottle of water in some other way.

01:36:37.000 Some karmic way. 0.99

01:36:38.000 Some shit's gonna happen. 0.99

01:36:39.000 You're gonna get a parking ticket. 1.00

01:36:41.000 You're gonna get some weird fucking thing. 0.98

01:36:42.000 So I think a thief is unaware of a metaphysical economy, which is like you think you're gonna get away with that, but you're not. 0.99

01:36:51.000 Like if you could really get away with it, It would give me pause. 0.96

01:36:55.000 But like, I've noticed, man, all my friends who are really successful, they leave giant fucking tips, crazy tips, crazy tips. 0.97

01:37:08.000 You know a few of these people, Joe. 0.98

01:37:12.000 Tips where it makes the waitress cry.

01:37:15.000 And also, I've noticed they will dodge out of a place before they can be acknowledged for leaving some insanely massive tip.

01:37:24.000 Dude, I'm right here.

01:37:25.000 You don't have to talk about me like I'm not here. 0.89

01:37:26.000 I just don't want to fucking embarrass you, man, because it's like, you know, a lot of, you know, I don't want to, but the main thing is like... 0.95

01:37:32.000 But that's a love bomb. 0.97

01:37:34.000 That's what I always call that.

01:37:35.000 Yeah.

01:37:35.000 You leave a love bomb for the waiter.

01:37:37.000 Right.

01:37:37.000 Yeah.

01:37:38.000 But I think also there's another side to it that is more than just like the feeling you get of knowing you've been generous and you're not that attached to money.

01:37:47.000 No, it's not even that.

01:37:49.000 It's like you get an opportunity to give a nudge in a positive.

01:37:53.000 Yeah.

01:37:53.000 They feel good.

01:37:54.000 So if they feel good, if someone gives you a $100 tip for a fucking cup of coffee or something, they get this feeling like, holy shit! 0.99

01:38:02.000 All of a sudden, a beautiful feeling out of a normal situation, just a normal interaction. 0.99

01:38:07.000 I give you this, and you give me that, and I say thank you, and I go.

01:38:10.000 Well, in that normal interaction, all of a sudden, boom, you get this beautiful gift from a stranger that didn't have to do that for no reason at all.

01:38:17.000 Just a little love bomb.

01:38:19.000 Yeah.

01:38:19.000 It's even better when you're not there, when you're in the car driving and they realize you left it for them.

01:38:23.000 Right.

01:38:24.000 See, that thing right there, man, that, if you go back to what we were talking about, about momentum.

01:38:29.000 Yeah, it puts little ripples out there.

01:38:31.000 Yeah, and those ripples spread.

01:38:33.000 Yeah, and it's not just with that, obviously.

01:38:35.000 Oh, the only way to do it is with money.

01:38:36.000 No, it's being nice to people.

01:38:38.000 Sometimes I've had days where I'm just walking somewhere and someone looks at me and they go, hey, how are you?

01:38:45.000 Everything good?

01:38:46.000 Yeah, man, everything's good.

01:38:47.000 How you doing?

01:38:48.000 I'm doing good.

01:38:49.000 Enjoy the day.

01:38:50.000 Just a nice little friendly interaction with some person you never met before and for no reason just wants to be a nice guy.

01:38:56.000 Yeah.

01:38:56.000 Those make you feel good, man.

01:38:58.000 Yeah, dude.

01:38:58.000 Those are nice moments.

01:39:00.000 And conversely, weird moments that I've had where people that are distracted and they're looking at their phone, they're not paying attention. 0.99

01:39:07.000 Like, look at this fucking dummy that almost ran into me. 0.99

01:39:09.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:09.000 You know, and I don't have to think that way. 1.00

01:39:11.000 That's a dumb way to think. 0.99

01:39:12.000 Right. 0.99

01:39:12.000 But I do think it. 0.99

01:39:13.000 Right.

01:39:13.000 Especially if it's like a kid.

01:39:15.000 Yeah, yeah. 1.00

01:39:15.000 You know, some fucking kid just trying to, pussy, where's the pussy? 1.00

01:39:17.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:17.000 And they almost run into you like, hey, dude. 1.00

01:39:20.000 Yeah.

01:39:20.000 Your phone.

01:39:21.000 Right.

01:39:22.000 They're radiating this momentum into the world.

01:39:25.000 They're not interacting with people that are there.

01:39:27.000 Yeah.

01:39:28.000 Versus a person who's like genuinely nice.

01:39:31.000 It's like, just see someone walking down the street and they say, good morning.

01:39:34.000 You're like, good morning.

01:39:34.000 Yeah.

01:39:35.000 And everybody feels good.

01:39:36.000 That's like just a nice little thing like that.

01:39:38.000 That's right.

01:39:39.000 Those, man, those spread, that person might do it to the next person they meet, and then boom, everybody's saying hi to everybody, everybody's hugging everybody.

01:39:46.000 This is it.

01:39:47.000 Yeah.

01:39:48.000 We talk about this probably every time, because we both agree that this is like, probably, if there was going to be a non-violent revolution...

01:39:58.000 In this country that wasn't based on voting, it's going to start with that.

01:40:03.000 And what is that, you know?

01:40:06.000 And the thing I'm being taught is like that thing you're talking about, it can be cultivated and like refined.

01:40:14.000 So you can sort of – that's why it's called a practice.

01:40:17.000 Like when you're sitting and you're watching your breath and you're learning how to be in the moment – Instead of thinking, I'm doing this for this reason or that.

01:40:27.000 I'm doing this because when I'm talking to somebody, they're going to think I'm spiritual.

01:40:31.000 I'm doing this because I want to be more focused.

01:40:33.000 I'm doing this because I have an anxiety disorder.

01:40:35.000 I'm doing this because of this or that.

01:40:37.000 That's great.

01:40:38.000 But there's another reason to do it, which is that if you get really good at being in the moment with people, and also when you're sitting with yourself, And learning who you are, you have to start applying a lot of compassion to yourself because you're gonna sit, 0.95

01:40:56.000 man, and some shit's gonna float to the surface of the stream that you wish had stayed under some rocks, man. 0.72

01:41:02.000 You're gonna see not just shit that's been done to you, But you're going to see shit that you've done to other people. 0.99

01:41:09.000 And you're going to have to deal with that, right? 1.00

01:41:11.000 And the way to deal with that is not to do like, I don't know if you do this at all, but sometimes I will remember something from when I was very young and be like, you fucking dick. 0.99

01:41:22.000 I'll say it out loud to nobody. 0.99

01:41:25.000 Yelling to someone like 15 years ago, right?

01:41:27.000 And you're yelling at you? 1.00

01:41:29.000 My past self, like you motherfucker, you know? 1.00

01:41:32.000 What have you gotten me into with my memories? 1.00

01:41:34.000 Jesus Christ, man, why were you doing that?

01:41:36.000 Why'd you do that?

01:41:37.000 And like, so that's like the opposite of compassion for the self, right?

01:41:42.000 So anyway, the point is, if you can like sort of cultivate compassion for who you are right now, that's not to say Use that as an excuse to not try to become a kinder person, but I'm saying cultivate compassion for the fact that like, 0.98

01:41:59.000 man, your dad had PTSD and your fucking folks got divorced when you were three and your dad remarried An abusive woman who hated your fucking guts for seven fucking years and she did some really bad things to you over the course of that time that you were way too young to... 0.98

01:42:25.000 Process. 1.00

01:42:26.000 Process.

01:42:26.000 You had no way to deal with that and now...

01:42:30.000 When you're in your 20s or your 30s, you're realizing that you seem to be kind of a selfish cunt. 1.00

01:42:36.000 And it's like, well, yeah, the reason you're being a selfish, quote, cunt is because you had to build up a very high-powered... 0.99

01:42:46.000 Defense mechanism to deal with the fact that you were abused for almost a decade when your brain was forming more neurons than it ever will at any other point in its life. 0.99

01:42:56.000 And now we can start having compassion for ourselves. 0.98

01:42:58.000 Instead of thinking I'm a selfish cunt, we could think Oh, I've got too big a force field up. 0.96

01:43:07.000 I've developed a thing to protect me from an environment that I'm no longer in. 1.00

01:43:12.000 And then the point is, once you start becoming compassionate to yourself, that's when you run into the person who's being a selfish cunt. 0.99

01:43:23.000 Who you can look at and say, oh, I see you. 0.99

01:43:27.000 I know who you are.

01:43:29.000 I don't know what it was.

01:43:31.000 I don't know if it was an abusive parent.

01:43:34.000 I don't know if it was a heartbreak.

01:43:36.000 I don't know if it was something you read.

01:43:37.000 I don't know if it was something...

01:43:38.000 I don't know.

01:43:40.000 Maybe genetic.

01:43:41.000 I don't know.

01:43:42.000 But I know from looking into myself enough to know that you deserve more compassion than you're getting.

01:43:48.000 That's it.

01:43:49.000 So we have this agreement that everybody can learn up to a certain point, right?

01:43:54.000 We agree that pretty much everyone who's normal and not impaired mentally can learn how to read, right?

01:44:02.000 We agree this.

01:44:03.000 We agree to this.

01:44:03.000 I think so, yeah.

01:44:04.000 Yeah, we agree to simple mathematics.

01:44:07.000 Everyone can learn how to...

01:44:09.000 Add and subtract and multiply.

01:44:12.000 And after that, it gets a little squirrely with division.

01:44:14.000 But we're agreeing that with minimal paying attention in school, we can all achieve a certain level.

01:44:21.000 But there's very little, very little attention ever paid.

01:44:27.000 To considering how you behave and how you think and how you observe yourself and how you correct mistakes and how you learn from the past.

01:44:35.000 It's never taught.

01:44:36.000 It's one of the most important things I've ever learned in my life.

01:44:40.000 Is to not cling on to the past but don't forget it either.

01:44:44.000 That's great. 1.00

01:44:45.000 Remember that you fucked up. 1.00

01:44:47.000 Don't do it again. 0.99

01:44:48.000 But don't live in this world of 20 years ago or 30 years ago or whatever that one instance where you wish you didn't say this one thing to some person or hit some person or drive your car where you shouldn't. 0.99

01:45:01.000 Whatever the fuck it is. 0.99

01:45:02.000 Whatever thing that it was that you still sit back and go, God! 1.00

01:45:06.000 I rear-ended somebody once with my car when I was on my way to selling it.

01:45:12.000 And I wasn't paying attention to the red light and my car, I think it was a 1978 Oldsmobile Cutlass.

01:45:22.000 And the front end, I crunched this guy's bumper with the fiberglass part of my car. 0.92

01:45:27.000 I didn't do shit to his car. 0.96

01:45:28.000 He had a truck. 0.98

01:45:29.000 But I fucked up my car on the way to selling it. 0.61

01:45:33.000 And I brought it to this person and the grill was like half hanging off. 1.00

01:45:36.000 And I remember in my car just going, FUCK! Fuck! 1.00

01:45:40.000 I just fucking... 1.00

01:45:41.000 I was so broke and such a loser and barely keeping it together. 0.99

01:45:45.000 And on my way to selling this car, I fucked it up. 1.00

01:45:48.000 And I was just like, you fucking loser! 1.00

01:45:51.000 And I remember being in my car screaming at myself, you fucking loser! 1.00

01:45:56.000 And I remember the guy bought it anyway. 1.00

01:45:58.000 He just took a bunch of money off of it.

01:45:59.000 I forget what we agreed on.

01:46:01.000 But...

01:46:02.000 But this feeling would haunt me for months for months I'd be doing other things and I would think of rear-ended that car not paying attention fucking up the front because it wasn't even like an accident It was like I left my foot off the gas and I just slammed into somebody because I wasn't paying attention Yeah,

01:46:24.000 man.

01:46:24.000 I let my foot off the brake, rather.

01:46:26.000 It was something that I literally was defining myself by for months.

01:46:31.000 Sure. 0.86

01:46:31.000 I was thinking that I was a loser because I did this. 0.86

01:46:34.000 Yeah. 0.56

01:46:35.000 Yeah.

01:46:36.000 That's it.

01:46:36.000 Right there.

01:46:37.000 It wasn't like, hey, asshole, don't let your foot off the brake. 1.00

01:46:40.000 Pay attention to what you're doing. 1.00

01:46:41.000 You're driving a fucking car. 1.00

01:46:42.000 I know you're only 18, but pay attention to what the fuck you're doing. 1.00

01:46:45.000 It wasn't that. 1.00

01:46:47.000 It was, you fucking loser! 1.00

01:46:49.000 You fucking loser! 1.00

01:46:51.000 I'd be screaming at myself. 1.00

01:46:53.000 Dude, I was talking to this dude at one of these Ram Dass retreats who's in his 20s and I'm really, by the way, this wasn't at a...

01:47:04.000 I'm really veiling a person very, very deeply here.

01:47:08.000 But the point is, this person was telling me some shitty thing that had happened to them when they were a kid, right?

01:47:15.000 And, uh, real young.

01:47:19.000 And, uh...

01:47:21.000 It happened at a doctor's office. 0.98

01:47:25.000 It was like a shitty doctor or something. 0.98

01:47:27.000 I don't know, but the doctor slapped the kid, right? 0.99

01:47:31.000 Jesus.

01:47:32.000 Yeah.

01:47:33.000 For what reason?

01:47:36.000 Well, there's no reason, is there, Joe?

01:47:38.000 Like, there's really no reason to slap a kid who's come to a doctor's office, right?

01:47:41.000 Oh, for sure.

01:47:42.000 But what was the reason the doctor had?

01:47:44.000 Well, that's the thing my friend said.

01:47:47.000 My friend said, well, I was squirming around.

01:47:51.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:47:52.000 Right?

01:47:52.000 He hadn't considered.

01:47:54.000 He hadn't even considered that...

01:47:58.000 He was five.

01:48:00.000 So like I said to him, I'm like, hey man, when was the last time you picked up a five-year-old?

01:48:05.000 Do you know how small five-year-olds are?

01:48:08.000 Do you understand that you didn't do anything wrong? 0.99

01:48:13.000 That that was a shitty doctor? 1.00

01:48:15.000 That was a crazy fucking doctor? 1.00

01:48:17.000 And your whole life to rationalize the fact that sometimes... 1.00

01:48:22.000 Big people are crazy and slap little people.

01:48:26.000 You try to apply some logic to the act itself, right? 0.96

01:48:32.000 Now, that's a heavy burden to carry because if you think you're a bad five-year-old, you're probably going to think you're a bad 30... 1.00

01:48:38.000 God knows you're going to think you're a bad 35-year-old with all the crazy shit you can do when you're 35. So it's like that mentality of... 0.99

01:48:49.000 Looking back on our former self and hating it is the very same reason that we hate others.

01:48:56.000 It's identical.

01:48:58.000 If I'm going to hate myself, definitely I'm giving myself permission to hate everybody else around me.

01:49:05.000 So the work is, let's figure out how to Be compassionate to our former selves. 0.98

01:49:13.000 And not just when we were fucking kids in a doctor's office. 0.98

01:49:15.000 And not just 10 years ago. 0.99

01:49:17.000 And not just 20 years ago.

01:49:19.000 Like, start now.

01:49:21.000 Like, right now.

01:49:22.000 Because you're sitting on top of a card house made of memory, right?

01:49:28.000 And it's like, you're the entire thing.

01:49:30.000 So you gotta love it all. 0.99

01:49:31.000 And then if you start doing that shit, I have noticed Your degree of country drops by a lot. 0.99

01:49:40.000 It's not gonna go away. 0.99

01:49:42.000 It will definitely, at least for me.

01:49:50.000 One of the things that I've had many guys ask me before, like, why do you so insist on exercise?

01:49:58.000 It's a big one.

01:49:59.000 Do you really think it helps you?

01:50:01.000 I'm like, I know it helps me. 0.99

01:50:03.000 It's like jerking off, but for the body. 0.99

01:50:06.000 Instead of this thing that you get when you jerk off, this relief from the need for sex, there's unnoticed tension. 1.00

01:50:15.000 That's constantly in your body that flavors the way you think about things. 0.91

01:50:19.000 It really just does.

01:50:20.000 Yes.

01:50:22.000 Last night my daughter was upset at something.

01:50:25.000 She got into a little tift with one of her friends.

01:50:27.000 Super upset and really, she thought her friend was being mean and just didn't, you know, trying to deal with it.

01:50:34.000 We went to the garage and I said, let's just go, we'll work out, you'll feel better.

01:50:39.000 And I put the pads on and we started moving around, started throwing some kicks and punches, started breaking a sweat, really getting into it.

01:50:48.000 Pop, pop, whap!

01:50:49.000 And getting, woo, this is fun!

01:50:50.000 And then laughing and joking around.

01:50:53.000 And then we talked about it.

01:50:55.000 Because now you can talk about it rationally. 0.99

01:50:57.000 Because now it's not fucking with you, too. 0.90

01:50:59.000 You have this energy that's just pent up.

01:51:01.000 You've got to let that energy out, and then you're left with the thoughts.

01:51:04.000 But too many people get stuck with the energy and the thought.

01:51:07.000 And the energy is overwhelming the thought. 0.99

01:51:09.000 And it's like, oh, this fucking emotion! 0.99

01:51:11.000 Oh, this craziness! 1.00

01:51:12.000 And run around the block or fucking hitting the heavy bag or hitting the pads or skip some rope or whatever you're into. 0.99

01:51:18.000 Take a yoga class, whatever you're into. 0.99

01:51:20.000 Drain the stress out of the body and then look at the object or the idea for what it is. 0.94

01:51:26.000 And this is a fucking important method of managing the way you think about things that people overlook. 0.95

01:51:33.000 They overlook the impact of physical tension on the body in your decision-making process. 0.99

01:51:39.000 Oh, wow.

01:51:40.000 Yeah.

01:51:40.000 Do you believe that trauma is stored in the body?

01:51:43.000 You think that's bullshit? 0.99

01:51:44.000 I don't know. 0.99

01:51:45.000 I mean, I know that trauma is something that clings inside your subconsciousness.

01:51:49.000 Your subconsciousness is a part of your consciousness.

01:51:51.000 Your consciousness supposedly resides in your body.

01:51:53.000 So why wouldn't it be in your body somehow, way, shape, or form?

01:51:57.000 Right.

01:51:58.000 You know, there's also the idea that there's parts of your body that retain memory, not just your brain, but there's neurons in your body and perhaps they retain memory.

01:52:08.000 Right.

01:52:08.000 Like there's the concept that there's some type of neuron in the heart.

01:52:12.000 Right?

01:52:13.000 Yes.

01:52:13.000 And this is what a lot of people believe was responsible for this idea of, like, follow your heart.

01:52:19.000 Follow your heart.

01:52:21.000 Maybe if those are your memories and your database of collective emotional ideas, if there's really something to that, like, maybe it's not just in the brain area, but also in the heart area and in all the neurons, maybe we just think because our consciousness resides in the brain that all of our memories reside there as well and that they're not in various areas of our body.

01:52:41.000 Right.

01:52:41.000 People that get transplants, man, one of the weird things that they say is they find that they have cravings for things.

01:52:47.000 That the person who donated the organ...

01:52:50.000 Right, right.

01:52:51.000 I don't know if that's real or not, because obviously I've never gone through a transplant, but... 1.00

01:52:55.000 I've heard that shit a lot, man. 1.00

01:52:57.000 I've heard that too. 1.00

01:52:58.000 And someone was explaining it to me like, well, like, oh God, here comes fucking bro scientist Trussell. 0.99

01:53:05.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:06.000 Get ready, gang.

01:53:08.000 Here we go.

01:53:08.000 I'm ready.

01:53:09.000 Dr. Trussell, I've got a fucking master's degree in bro science. 0.99

01:53:13.000 Do you? 0.99

01:53:13.000 Oh, yeah, dude. 0.99

01:53:14.000 Hey, are you working tonight?

01:53:16.000 You doing anything tonight?

01:53:17.000 What's that?

01:53:17.000 Yeah, dude, I am.

01:53:18.000 You got a gig?

01:53:18.000 Yeah, why?

01:53:19.000 What's going on?

01:53:19.000 Ice house.

01:53:20.000 I can't do it.

01:53:21.000 That's okay.

01:53:24.000 Dude, thank you so much, though.

01:53:25.000 Anytime. 0.98

01:53:26.000 I was just thinking, right before I do my bro science thing, man, your daughter's fucking lucky. 1.00

01:53:33.000 Goddamn. 1.00

01:53:34.000 Your dad's like, let's go to the gym in the house and fucking kickbox. 1.00

01:53:39.000 You're upset. 0.99

01:53:40.000 That's super cool, man.

01:53:41.000 I was just thinking that.

01:53:42.000 The other thing...

01:53:43.000 Well, it's only cool if they like it.

01:53:44.000 The thing is, she likes to do it. 0.98

01:53:46.000 This is one thing that I think is extremely important. 0.99

01:53:49.000 Because I see people that get their son to play football because they played football and the kid doesn't want to play fucking football. 0.99

01:53:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:53:55.000 Man, you gotta let your kids be who they are. 0.99

01:53:57.000 They get super resentful.

01:53:58.000 I've seen people raise their kids and try to force their kids into holes.

01:54:02.000 You gotta support them and love them and let them find their path.

01:54:06.000 You have to.

01:54:06.000 You have to let them find their path.

01:54:08.000 You can't decide they're gonna be a doctor or decide they're gonna be a lawyer or decide they're gonna be whatever the fuck you want them to be. 0.72

01:54:13.000 They gotta be what they are.

01:54:15.000 We're all so different and you are literally robbing a kid Of their future if you over influence their choice making in terms of like not following their passion or their dream or their ideas.

01:54:30.000 Yeah.

01:54:31.000 And it can be done.

01:54:33.000 To say that it can't be done is, oh, so many people can't do it.

01:54:38.000 So many people don't get their doctorate. 0.99

01:54:40.000 So many people don't ever become scientists or astronauts or fucking mathematicians. 0.98

01:54:46.000 A lot of things are hard to do, man. 0.99

01:54:48.000 A lot of things.

01:54:49.000 Right.

01:54:49.000 But you can't decide.

01:54:50.000 The way that kid's brain works.

01:54:52.000 You're not in there.

01:54:53.000 You're not in there.

01:54:54.000 And it's different than yours.

01:54:55.000 And hers is different than his.

01:54:57.000 And this brother is different than this sister.

01:54:59.000 And the mom's different than all of them.

01:55:00.000 And you gotta let people be.

01:55:02.000 You gotta let them be.

01:55:03.000 You have to.

01:55:04.000 And people don't. 1.00

01:55:06.000 And those fucking people hate their parents. 1.00

01:55:08.000 Those people develop this fucking resentment. 1.00

01:55:11.000 Because there's no freedom. 1.00

01:55:12.000 Their fucking mom is always on them. 1.00

01:55:14.000 Mom, I don't want to do that. 1.00

01:55:16.000 Will you just stop?

01:55:17.000 I raised you.

01:55:18.000 I didn't raise you to talk to me like this.

01:55:20.000 You're my son. 1.00

01:55:21.000 I don't want you being a loser. 0.99

01:55:23.000 Do you understand it? 0.99

01:55:24.000 You're like, I don't want to be a doctor.

01:55:28.000 I'm so disappointed in you.

01:55:29.000 I know friends where their parents don't talk to them anymore because they changed majors.

01:55:34.000 Yeah, they changed majors and dad stopped talking to them.

01:55:37.000 What?

01:55:39.000 You don't want to take on the company business?

01:55:42.000 You don't want to take on the company?

01:55:43.000 The idea was we were going to send you to go to school and you were going to take over the company business.

01:55:48.000 I want to be in a band. 1.00

01:55:49.000 You fucking loser. 1.00

01:55:50.000 Some people have a really... 1.00

01:55:52.000 It's like we got to be so much kinder to people. 0.99

01:55:55.000 Just thinking shit like that helps you understand how people are. 0.95

01:55:58.000 You run into just about anybody, man, and it's so easy to have someone in your life. 1.00

01:56:05.000 And enjoy the idea that they're an asshole and they deserve it. 1.00

01:56:09.000 But if you spend just a speck of time thinking about it, it sucks. 1.00

01:56:16.000 In a weird way, it sucks. 0.99

01:56:17.000 Just wait until you have kids. 0.99

01:56:19.000 Then it gets really, really interesting because you start looking at people like they used to be babies.

01:56:24.000 That's what happened to me.

01:56:26.000 I got a baby boy coming, man.

01:56:27.000 I know you do.

01:56:29.000 This is the first place I've said it. 1.00

01:56:31.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:56:31.000 Duncan's gonna be your daddy. 1.00

01:56:33.000 She said it's okay.

01:56:35.000 When you're in the early months, I don't know why.

01:56:40.000 People are scared.

01:56:41.000 It's such a sacred thing.

01:56:44.000 It's a vulnerable thing to talk about.

01:56:46.000 It makes you feel vulnerable.

01:56:47.000 It makes you feel nervous.

01:56:48.000 Because of that energy, you're worried about talking about it. 0.88

01:56:51.000 I fucking love it, dude. 0.76

01:56:53.000 It is the most transformative. 0.98

01:56:55.000 You know, like, you hear...

01:56:58.000 All the time.

01:56:59.000 To the point where I was suspicious of it.

01:57:04.000 Stan Hope has done this joke for a while, so I think I'm allowed to say it.

01:57:07.000 Or are you not?

01:57:09.000 What's the rule of that?

01:57:10.000 Yeah, he doesn't do any of his old stuff.

01:57:12.000 He's got some of my favorite jokes of all time.

01:57:15.000 Many of them. 0.99

01:57:16.000 But he's got this killer fucking joke about how... 1.00

01:57:21.000 Pregnant people are like heroin addicts. 1.00

01:57:25.000 They're like, just try it. 0.99

01:57:26.000 You'll love it.

01:57:27.000 Just try it.

01:57:28.000 And then when you do it, you're stuck, you're trapped, which is how I used to think. 0.99

01:57:34.000 But man, it's so humbling to realize that all the shit you heard Was true in the sense that you hear people say, oh no, it's psychedelic. 0.99

01:57:46.000 It's psychedelic. 0.99

01:57:46.000 Now, I always associated that with like when the baby's born. 0.99

01:57:52.000 There must be some serotonin or dopamine that gets released, not just in the woman.

01:57:56.000 We know the woman's brain is flooded with oxytocin and a variety of things, the mother, the bonding chemicals. 0.99

01:58:03.000 But, you know, I thought, well, that clearly would happen for the father, maybe just not in the same level.

01:58:07.000 So when people say it's psychedelic, that must be what they mean.

01:58:11.000 But now I know, you know, the birth hasn't happened yet, but just being in the presence of a person who's growing a life inside of their belly And realizing that the bonding that's happening there and the sacred duty is coming up of you being a father and that a soul is coming into this dimension that is going to be completely dependent on you.

01:58:39.000 And my wife, of course, wanting to keep her safe.

01:58:42.000 And then...

01:58:43.000 Man, the combination of all these things is so incredibly psychedelic in the most beautiful way and so humbling because it's like, boy, oh boy, did I fucking tell myself that I'd figured out something really smart.

01:59:02.000 And that was like...

01:59:05.000 Reproduction is a trick of the DNA and this marriage thing and the baby thing is some kind of vestigial societal organ like the appendix. 0.92

01:59:18.000 We don't need to do that.

01:59:20.000 There's nothing to it. 0.98

01:59:21.000 Obviously I wasn't using that voice but like it was such a pretentious Fucking pompous, ridiculous place that I was standing at, which is to judge people for reproducing. 0.98

01:59:40.000 Enjoying the ability to judge because my parents reproduced, you know what I mean? 0.98

01:59:45.000 So it's so humbling to realize like, oh, I was wrong.

01:59:51.000 But I wasn't just kind of wrong.

01:59:54.000 I was deeply, fundamentally, completely wrong about this phase of life and this...

02:00:03.000 What's the word for it?

02:00:05.000 This...

02:00:07.000 Well, I like in Hinduism, they call it an ashram, like a monastery.

02:00:10.000 It's called the Grihastha Ashram.

02:00:12.000 It's like a temple.

02:00:13.000 It's considered to be like a temple, the family. 1.00

02:00:16.000 Holy fuck, man. 1.00

02:00:18.000 It's real. 1.00

02:00:19.000 The rubbers hit the road, man. 0.98

02:00:21.000 And it's like, it's really, really beautiful, though obviously a little scary.

02:00:27.000 Yeah.

02:00:28.000 It's love.

02:00:29.000 It's real love.

02:00:30.000 And it's love where you know you're going to be able to love your children unconditionally in a very strange way that we really have a hard time with other people.

02:00:38.000 And I think the thing about it is not just that you're bringing a life into this world which is very psychedelic, but that your love bond with this kid is so ultimate.

02:00:49.000 It's so intense.

02:00:50.000 The love that you have for each other, too, raising the kid together.

02:00:54.000 There's a thing that happens with people when they are just really deeply connected at a DNA level.

02:01:06.000 This is a little person that has literally come out of nowhere from two bodies.

02:01:12.000 And it makes you realize how precious life is, how vulnerable we all are.

02:01:18.000 And it makes you realize that, I mean, it's such a cliche phrase, the actual power of love.

02:01:23.000 Right.

02:01:24.000 And it's not just the love of this kid or the love of yourselves, the two together and the family together and all the other people that you love.

02:01:32.000 It's the love of all people.

02:01:33.000 It's the love.

02:01:34.000 Right.

02:01:35.000 We just really have a hard time loving people.

02:01:37.000 We have a really hard time trusting that people are gonna love us back or they're not gonna get in our way.

02:01:42.000 They're not gonna be overly needy or annoying or they're not gonna be intrusive or they're not gonna tell you what to do. 0.99

02:01:47.000 Which is why people hate their fucking parents telling them what to do. 1.00

02:01:50.000 Oh, love comes with this bullshit. 1.00

02:01:52.000 Love comes with this nonsense. 1.00

02:01:53.000 Love comes with fucking rules and I have to be annoyed all the time. 0.99

02:01:57.000 I have to wear my suit on Sunday. 1.00

02:01:59.000 Fuck love. 1.00

02:02:00.000 Fuck it. 1.00

02:02:01.000 I don't want it. 1.00

02:02:02.000 And then that carries on.

02:02:03.000 You develop these shields that you put up for the whole world because of that.

02:02:07.000 That's one of the most common things that people do in terms of our definitions of love.

02:02:12.000 We define it by the people that were supposed to be the lovers in our lives.

02:02:15.000 But the just unconditional kindness and love So few people are balanced in the beginning of the relationship.

02:02:23.000 It's just lust.

02:02:25.000 And then after a while you get annoyed with each other and you can't wait to get free and find somebody else who's gonna make you happy.

02:02:29.000 They don't make you happy either.

02:02:31.000 And most of us in the early years of our lives, in particular, we bounce around.

02:02:35.000 You know, we try to find a new person that's gonna make us happy.

02:02:40.000 That's right.

02:02:41.000 And we attract the kind of people that are the most destructive for us.

02:02:45.000 I mean, for some strange reason, we're always looking to be distracted.

02:02:48.000 Yes.

02:02:49.000 And I think when you can learn how to abandon that, and it's not a learn like now I know.

02:02:56.000 It's a slow, gradual process where the instances of cuntiness occur less frequently. 0.90

02:03:03.000 Right.

02:03:04.000 Less and less and less and less frequently to your more and more and more kind.

02:03:07.000 And then you get it as good as you can get it on any given day.

02:03:12.000 And that's part of being the hairless ape in this strange land of electronics and concrete buildings.

02:03:20.000 We're still trying to figure out the rules to this completely new way of living.

02:03:24.000 And part of this completely new way of living has shifted over the last 10 years, and that's where the internet comes in.

02:03:28.000 The last 10, 20 years, no more than 24 years, The whole world's changed, topsy-turvy, up to down.

02:03:37.000 I mean, the whole thing is just different now.

02:03:39.000 Yeah.

02:03:39.000 It's a different reality.

02:03:40.000 Anybody from any point in the past, if you transported them to today, they'd be living in some fucking... 0.99

02:03:47.000 Blade Runner movie. 0.96

02:03:49.000 I mean, it really is a Ridley Scott film.

02:03:51.000 For sure, if you were living in the 1950s and someone brought you to 2018 and picked you up from the airport in a Tesla, you're on a plane.

02:04:00.000 Seems normal.

02:04:01.000 You're on a plane, just like planes.

02:04:02.000 What are these screens on the seats? 0.98

02:04:03.000 Holy shit, there's screens on the seats and someone picks you up in a Tesla. 0.99

02:04:07.000 It doesn't make any noise. 0.99

02:04:08.000 It's electric.

02:04:09.000 There's a giant laptop in the front of it that shows this huge map and you're driving around and people are taking phone calls in the air.

02:04:16.000 Hey, what's up, Mike?

02:04:17.000 You're like, what?

02:04:18.000 You're talking in the car? 1.00

02:04:19.000 What the fuck? 0.99

02:04:20.000 Driving around to all these different places and you see the mass of humans and the architecture change and people would freak the fuck out. 1.00

02:04:30.000 Sure.

02:04:30.000 And this is the world that we've totally, completely become accustomed to.

02:04:34.000 That's right.

02:04:35.000 No one's prepared for this.

02:04:37.000 We're all just playing it on ear.

02:04:40.000 And the worst aspects of it, some of the chaos and the social upheaval and the infighting between people, people getting kicked out of restaurants.

02:04:52.000 You see Maxine Waters telling people that if you find people that work for the Trump administration, you find them in a restaurant, you find them anywhere.

02:05:00.000 You go and you get together a group of people, you build a crowd, and you let them know that you don't agree with their policies.

02:05:08.000 Like, whoa!

02:05:09.000 We're calling for gangs.

02:05:10.000 We're calling for gangs of people randomly in the street to interrupt people's meals, interrupt people in stores, get a crowd together, don't let them be safe in public because you disagree with their policies.

02:05:22.000 Woo! 0.99

02:05:23.000 This is getting crazy.

02:05:24.000 And I know one of the policies of the immigrants, the children of immigrants being separated from their parents, which I'm 100% with you. 0.98

02:05:30.000 It's immoral. 0.71

02:05:31.000 It's disgusting.

02:05:32.000 It saddens me that it's even considered an option.

02:05:35.000 It makes no sense. 0.98

02:05:36.000 I don't give a fuck if they broke the law. 0.99

02:05:38.000 You don't take parents and kids and separate them. 1.00

02:05:41.000 You just fucking don't. 1.00

02:05:42.000 It's disgusting. 1.00

02:05:42.000 There's other ways around it. 1.00

02:05:44.000 If you're saying, well, they shouldn't have broke the law.

02:05:46.000 Maybe they shouldn't have broke the law.

02:05:48.000 You don't get to do something that's a thousand times worse than crossing a line in the dirt. 0.99

02:05:52.000 That fucking imaginary line in the dirt, crossing that is nothing in comparison to your crime of stealing a baby from its mother. 1.00

02:06:00.000 That's fucking insane. 1.00

02:06:02.000 That's not America in 2018. That's just insane. 1.00

02:06:05.000 And we wouldn't be doing that to Canadians. 1.00

02:06:07.000 If Canadians came over here with their beautiful, cute, blonde-haired kids, we're not stealing them from their fucking parents. 1.00

02:06:12.000 And that's one of the reasons why it's sick. 1.00

02:06:14.000 The whole thing's sick.

02:06:16.000 It's chaos.

02:06:17.000 So, on one hand, I understand where a lot of people are outraged, and I understand where they're coming from.

02:06:24.000 You shouldn't separate parents from their children in any way, shape, or form.

02:06:27.000 But the way to fix that is not...

02:06:30.000 It's saying anybody who's on that team and working for that administration should be chased by a mob of street vigilantes.

02:06:38.000 And you should encourage this mob.

02:06:39.000 Make a crowd.

02:06:40.000 Get everybody together.

02:06:41.000 Make a crowd.

02:06:42.000 Make some noise.

02:06:43.000 Let them know they're not welcome.

02:06:44.000 Like, whoa!

02:06:45.000 Well, isn't it like one of the problems with it is that now we have a little bit of a slippery slope.

02:06:54.000 Like, let's, you know, I don't want to play Mob justice ping-pong with you.

02:07:02.000 Right.

02:07:02.000 Because if I start playing that with you, then that ping-pong could potentially turn into a civil war.

02:07:09.000 Do you know there was a recent USA Today poll that said 31% of America thinks that we're close to a civil war?

02:07:15.000 Right.

02:07:15.000 Now, that being said...

02:07:18.000 And also, people who, like, fantasize about a civil war, I don't know if they've really thought it out all the way, like, what that looks like.

02:07:30.000 I can answer that for you.

02:07:31.000 They definitely haven't.

02:07:32.000 Right.

02:07:33.000 They definitely haven't. 1.00

02:07:34.000 Because if they did, and they thought it through and thought it was a good idea, they're out of their fucking minds. 1.00

02:07:39.000 They're crazy or they're stupid. 1.00

02:07:41.000 Yeah, but... 1.00

02:07:43.000 I was really passionate about that.

02:07:45.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

02:07:46.000 Well, I mean, because he wants to fucking be in a goddamn civil war. 0.99

02:07:50.000 But, you know, for me, when I see shit like that going down, I... See, I've like come up with like, I didn't come up with, I got it from the fucking Dalai Lama, 0.99

02:08:06.000 but I've come up with like a good little equation to go back to, which is, does this reduce suffering, right? 0.97

02:08:15.000 So like, and I don't think it reduces suffering.

02:08:19.000 And these people who are really upset, On both sides of the fence are suffering.

02:08:25.000 We're really looking at a world where a lot of people are deeply upset and deeply suffering and really scared and really, really, really freaking the fuck out.

02:08:37.000 And as I've been watching this thing emerge on the internet, on Twitter, where people tweet things that paint...

02:08:48.000 You look at it and you think, It's almost as though you're living in another world than I am. 0.98

02:08:54.000 The world that you're talking about Man, it's fucking terrifying. 1.00

02:09:00.000 It's scary and it's really fucked up. 0.99

02:09:04.000 And maybe the reason I think that is because I started doing LSD when I was 16. So when I was 16, I became brutally aware of the fact that the current government and the past government Was repressive. 0.97

02:09:27.000 And something about that drug, which I don't do anymore, because it's illegal.

02:09:32.000 I was a crazy kid.

02:09:34.000 But something about that drug really shows you the conditioning, right?

02:09:40.000 And so I knew From a pretty young age, I was like, oh wow, I don't think the United States is dropping bombs on other countries because of justice or some threat. 0.99

02:09:52.000 It appears to be that some people are making money off of this shit. 0.99

02:09:56.000 And I don't think these drugs are illegal because they're bad for you. 0.99

02:10:00.000 I think they're illegal because somebody doesn't want the...

02:10:12.000 I had this conversation with Hamilton Morris yesterday and he strongly disagrees because he's talked to the people actually in the DEA. He's talked to the people in drug enforcement.

02:10:21.000 Oh, sure.

02:10:22.000 That what really is happening is they have zero experience with these drugs, but they know these drugs are illegal, and so they pursue it as if it's a viable target.

02:10:31.000 And we talked about it in terms of the real problem with law enforcement being that it's a game.

02:10:35.000 I've always said that the real problem with cops is not cops.

02:10:38.000 The real problem with cops is human nature.

02:10:40.000 This is a bad guy.

02:10:41.000 I get a point if I take him out.

02:10:43.000 You start looking for bad guys.

02:10:44.000 You start looking for bad guys that aren't even there.

02:10:46.000 You start forcing situations.

02:10:47.000 Yeah, I know.

02:10:51.000 We get into this a lot.

02:10:52.000 And I don't mean the DEA. I've heard the exact same thing about the DEA. But I don't even think people above them have experience with it.

02:11:01.000 I'm not even talking about people above them.

02:11:04.000 I'm talking about tendencies.

02:11:06.000 So if an individual has a tendency, right?

02:11:12.000 Tendency.

02:11:13.000 So a person has a tendency, then a group of people might have a tendency.

02:11:16.000 For example, if I get a group of Swedish people together, and I bring them to the World Cup, they're going to have the tendency to cheer for Sweden, right?

02:11:26.000 I'm going to bet on that and gamble on that.

02:11:28.000 There's a tendency, right?

02:11:30.000 Right, right. 1.00

02:11:30.000 My boss fucking sucks. 1.00

02:11:32.000 He's a fucking asshole, right? 1.00

02:11:34.000 Right. 1.00

02:11:35.000 Then you think back to the way all your other bosses acted and you realize like, wait, there seems to be a tendency when people are in that position of power to behave in a certain way, right?

02:11:46.000 Yeah, it's hard.

02:11:47.000 Hard job.

02:11:48.000 But what I'm saying is, is the person who's in the position of power...

02:11:52.000 Is that thing coming from inside of them, or is it that there's something, like, built in to the DNA of a leadership position?

02:12:00.000 They say that, like, in the same way, like, when you've got a pregnant wife, some new thing kicks in, and I was reading about it. 0.99

02:12:06.000 Built in, it feels like, where it's like, I'm getting a fucking... 0.98

02:12:11.000 You know what I mean? 0.96

02:12:12.000 I want to make her safe.

02:12:13.000 I want to make sure that we're saving money.

02:12:17.000 You know what I mean? 0.93

02:12:18.000 I'm working harder than I've ever worked in my fucking life because I want to make sure that there's plenty for her and plenty for the kid and something kicks in. 0.96

02:12:25.000 There's a tendency there, right? 0.97

02:12:28.000 So what I'm saying is there seems to be a tendency that happens when there is a A convergence of people in power, right?

02:12:38.000 It starts behaving in a certain way.

02:12:40.000 It builds walls.

02:12:42.000 It starts taking people to jail who don't belong in jail.

02:12:46.000 It dehumanizes, essentially. 0.99

02:12:48.000 That's the fucking tendency, right? 0.98

02:12:50.000 And so when you're taking a psychedelic, And you look around and you realize, oh, I see. 0.99

02:12:56.000 The government, though, it's filled with people who are wonderful. 0.98

02:13:00.000 There are people in the fucking DEA who listen to your show and guaranteed love the show and are like, you're fucking right, man. 0.98

02:13:06.000 I don't want to enforce these goddamn laws arresting people for a thing that is like being shown not only to be harmless, but potentially therapeutic. 1.00

02:13:15.000 There's people in all branches of government, and there's some people who just need a job, and maybe there's some assholes in there. 0.99

02:13:20.000 Well, there's some people that want to bust crack dealers. 1.00

02:13:22.000 They want to bust assholes that are killing people. 0.99

02:13:25.000 They happen to also be drug dealers, and this is part of the job. 1.00

02:13:28.000 Right.

02:13:28.000 So I'm not talking about the individual atomic structure of the power structure.

02:13:33.000 I'm talking about the sum total convergence, the gestalt of the thing emanates certain behavior patterns.

02:13:41.000 Right. 0.99

02:13:41.000 And those fucking behavior patterns, those behavior patterns have been going on for a very long time. 0.99

02:13:48.000 And so... 1.00

02:13:49.000 Forever.

02:13:50.000 As far as we know, right?

02:13:51.000 There's always been kings.

02:13:52.000 So, now, I'm not saying, like, therefore, your fear or your terror is unjustified.

02:13:57.000 I just think maybe because of the garishness of the current administration compared to, like, Obama, who is, like...

02:14:06.000 You know, we know what happened with Obama and the NSA. We know what happened with Obama and the drones.

02:14:11.000 We know what happened. 0.98

02:14:12.000 Well, we don't know what all the shit that probably happened with Obama, but we do know with Obama, and I remember hearing this and then looking it up and then looking it up again. 0.99

02:14:22.000 He apparently deported – in fact, maybe please find out if I'm wrong about this so I don't have to deal with 7 billion people calling me a fucking motherfucker for the rest of my life. 0.99

02:14:31.000 But apparently he deported more people than any – than all American presidents combined his administration did, right? 0.99

02:14:40.000 Deported more people.

02:14:41.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 1.00

02:14:42.000 And so now Trump, he's at the beginning of the fucking deportation race. 0.99

02:14:47.000 Like by the time he's done, he might have beaten Obama's score by a fucking long shot. 1.00

02:14:51.000 I don't fucking know. 0.97

02:14:52.000 But the main thing is, what I'm saying here is like, I think I've been aware of the fact that That there is something wonky going on. 0.98

02:15:01.000 And it's wonky in the most rotten, brutal way.

02:15:04.000 It's wonky in the sense that it kills people.

02:15:07.000 It separates children from families, not just of immigrants, but of farmers. 0.99

02:15:13.000 Some people were growing marijuana and guaranteed their kids are in foster care now and they're in fucking jail, right? 0.97

02:15:20.000 This has been going on and on and on and on. 0.98

02:15:22.000 I think maybe now it's great.

02:15:24.000 About the fear that we're seeing and the hyper reaction is, if there is anything great about it, is that people are waking up to the fact that our government right now, the American government, is out of balance.

02:15:38.000 We've been at war for 90% of our history, right? 0.97

02:15:42.000 And there's a lot of shit going on in there that doesn't need to be going on. 0.98

02:15:47.000 And we're waking up to it. 0.99

02:15:48.000 It's just some people are like, they're waking up to it like they were asleep and someone threw water in their face. 1.00

02:15:53.000 And they're Like, holy fucking shit! 1.00

02:15:55.000 Holy fucking shit! 1.00

02:15:56.000 This is like, you know, this happened. 1.00

02:15:58.000 This sounds condescending.

02:16:00.000 I don't mean it to be. 0.98

02:16:01.000 But when I was like 18 or 17, looking at a fucking dollar bill, tripping balls, looking at that fucking green pyramid and the weird symbols, and then thinking like, wait a minute. 0.98

02:16:13.000 This is covered with occult symbology. 0.99

02:16:16.000 All over it.

02:16:17.000 All over it.

02:16:17.000 And then thinking like, wait a minute, wait, there's something.

02:16:20.000 This isn't really worth anything.

02:16:24.000 Like, this is just paper.

02:16:26.000 And then setting it on fire, you know, just to do like the worst thing, like igniting it.

02:16:31.000 That's a joke, obviously, because it's illegal to set it on fire, right?

02:16:33.000 Yeah, of course it's a joke. 0.98

02:16:34.000 I would never fucking do that, man. 0.99

02:16:36.000 No way. 0.99

02:16:36.000 I never ever in a million years would ignite currency. 0.99

02:16:39.000 Not with all glory.

02:16:40.000 Not with all glory. 0.99

02:16:41.000 Not with the fucking money. 0.99

02:16:42.000 But I guess what I'm saying is like, if there is something positive about... 0.99

02:16:46.000 And the mobs of people doing this or that are the hyper outrage, almost as though we're looking at an immune response that's kind of going overboard, right?

02:16:57.000 Yes, exactly like that.

02:16:59.000 But if there's something positive in it, it's that it seems that huge swaths of people are becoming familiar with the machinations of the American empire and understanding that here's how it's working right now.

02:17:15.000 Well, not only that, this illusion that it worked far differently when Obama was in office.

02:17:22.000 Have you seen that video where Obama was running for president and he started talking about how to deal with immigration and immigration policies?

02:17:29.000 No.

02:17:30.000 It's a disturbing video.

02:17:32.000 Because it's a Republican viewpoint.

02:17:34.000 The way he's talking about it, it sounds like someone running for a conservative position now.

02:17:40.000 It's not like this democratic socialist idea of eliminating ICE. You know, there's a lot of people that their idea is that immigration, customs enforcement, those people are monsters, and we should eliminate the position, we shouldn't have it anymore, and we should have open borders.

02:17:54.000 And those same people would love to have Obama in office.

02:17:58.000 You know, they would think that it would be great if Obama was here.

02:18:01.000 Boy, it was so much better when Obama was here.

02:18:03.000 We should get him back.

02:18:03.000 Play that video.

02:18:04.000 Find the video of Obama.

02:18:06.000 I think it was...

02:18:08.000 I want to say 2007 or 2008 or something like that.

02:18:14.000 Something like that.

02:18:16.000 But it's one of those ones where you're like, whoa, wait a minute, what?

02:18:19.000 2005?

02:18:21.000 You watch it and you go, what?

02:18:24.000 Wow, like this sounds like a Republican.

02:18:26.000 Like imagine, let's just imagine.

02:18:28.000 And imagine this is a young, blonde, white man.

02:18:33.000 Who's saying this in 2018. Right.

02:18:36.000 Listen to this.

02:18:36.000 Listen to his position.

02:18:38.000 Or a dude with one of those, like, square mustaches.

02:18:40.000 We all agree on the need to better secure the border and to punish employers who choose to hire illegal immigrants.

02:18:48.000 You know, we are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States, but those who enter the country illegally and those who employ them disrespect the rule of law. 1.00

02:18:57.000 Wait, can you pause that?

02:18:58.000 I'm sorry.

02:18:59.000 May I ask for a pause?

02:19:01.000 What's the date on that video?

02:19:03.000 2005?

02:19:04.000 That's for sure the date on the actual upload?

02:19:06.000 Flashback 2005, Senator Obama on illegal immigration.

02:19:10.000 Published on January 31st, 2000. What is that?

02:19:13.000 17. Okay, now here's the thing, man.

02:19:15.000 His lips look... 1.00

02:19:17.000 That might be bullshit. 0.99

02:19:18.000 I've looked up that Obama has deported more people than any American president, but we have to be very careful these days, because if you look, his lips aren't tracking... 0.99

02:19:26.000 Oh, let me see.

02:19:26.000 Let me see.

02:19:27.000 Yeah, go back and look at...

02:19:28.000 They are showing disregard for those who are following the law.

02:19:33.000 Oh.

02:19:33.000 You simply cannot...

02:19:34.000 Oh, yeah.

02:19:35.000 There's not tracking at all.

02:19:37.000 Well, why don't you...

02:19:37.000 Well, someone would know if that was a real C-SPAN thing.

02:19:40.000 Well, I think we need to...

02:19:42.000 ...to better secure the border and to punish employers...

02:19:46.000 I don't think that...

02:19:46.000 ...who choose to hire illegal immigrants.

02:19:48.000 I'm not saying this because I'm shocked that...

02:19:50.000 Yeah, but it's just off, but it's the same words.

02:19:52.000 We all agree on...

02:19:54.000 He's saying the same words.

02:19:56.000 Well, can we Google?

02:19:56.000 Let's find a version of it where it doesn't do that.

02:19:58.000 Sorry, you guys.

02:19:59.000 These days, man.

02:20:00.000 No, that's right.

02:20:01.000 And this is a problem we're going to deal with even more.

02:20:04.000 And also, I'm not saying, like, you would never do that.

02:20:06.000 I'm just saying, like, that looks a little fishy.

02:20:08.000 But you can just look up, did Obama deport more people than...

02:20:12.000 That's what I was looking up before you asked me to find the video.

02:20:14.000 And I'm finding various...

02:20:23.000 The point is he deported a lot of people.

02:20:30.000 He wasn't Justin Trudeau.

02:20:34.000 He wasn't just opening borders and letting everybody in. 0.98

02:20:36.000 But, dude, let's please find out if that fucking clip was actually... 0.98

02:20:40.000 I think we would know. 1.00

02:20:41.000 We would know if that clip was bullshit. 1.00

02:20:42.000 There's no way they would just let it slide. 0.99

02:20:44.000 If Obama never said that, there's no way they would just let that stay up.

02:20:47.000 I'd just like to see one where it was synced.

02:20:49.000 Well, you would kind of know, because that's a pretty famous clip, and it gets used all the time.

02:20:55.000 We all agree on the need to better secure...

02:21:00.000 Okay, sorry guys. 0.99

02:21:02.000 What's up with the fucking thing? 0.99

02:21:03.000 It's the player. 0.99

02:21:05.000 You know, we are a generous and welcoming people here in the United States.

02:21:09.000 Still off.

02:21:09.000 So yeah, you guys are also watching a version that's going through three different machines.

02:21:12.000 Are you watching it?

02:21:13.000 Okay.

02:21:14.000 When was it published?

02:21:15.000 When was that uploaded?

02:21:16.000 This was uploaded in 2005. Okay, great.

02:21:19.000 Perfect.

02:21:19.000 Sorry, you guys.

02:21:20.000 You gotta be careful these days, though, man, because they're fucking putting out shit that looks real that is not. 0.98

02:21:24.000 I listened to that Radiolab one where they were showing how good it is today. 0.99

02:21:27.000 It's fucking terrifying. 0.99

02:21:28.000 It's fucking intense. 0.99

02:21:28.000 It's close. 0.99

02:21:29.000 It's real close to being indistinguishable, especially for you and I. Yeah. 1.00

02:21:33.000 You and I have hundreds of hours of us talking shit and saying things that are ridiculous. 1.00

02:21:37.000 Oh, my God. 1.00

02:21:38.000 I mean, you and I together probably have over a hundred podcasts we've done. 1.00

02:21:42.000 Wait till you see the stupid shit people make us say, man. 1.00

02:21:46.000 It's gonna be so fucking embarrassing. 1.00

02:21:48.000 Well, here's the thing. 0.98

02:21:49.000 It's embarrassing for you if you watch it.

02:21:51.000 Like, there's a million things to watch.

02:21:52.000 You know, watch people put words in your mouth?

02:21:54.000 Yeah, you don't have to watch that.

02:21:55.000 Just keep moving.

02:21:56.000 Keep moving.

02:21:56.000 But dude, let's get back to this.

02:21:58.000 I like this topic here that we're talking about, which is that there's an imbalance here.

02:22:05.000 There's definitely an imbalance.

02:22:07.000 I think that imbalance is being exposed by people's real opinion.

02:22:11.000 And this is one of the reasons why actual education and actual...

02:22:16.000 Raising of human beings is going to be critically important, whereas we ignored it as being non-important for a while.

02:22:23.000 Well, it's way more important now because the community has gotten closer than ever.

02:22:27.000 The community of humans.

02:22:28.000 And by not respecting this community and not Really concentrating on the way people behave and think rather than what they own or what their job title is or what degree they have.

02:22:42.000 Instead of concentrating on one of the things that's most important for us is the way we interact with each other.

02:22:48.000 We have created this issue where now that everyone has a word in, You've got all these broken people chiming in, throwing in insult bombs. 0.97

02:22:59.000 And look, any time a woman is in the news who does something remotely questionable, the cholera cunt brigade comes out in full force on Twitter. 0.96

02:23:09.000 And it's all these fake accounts and eggs, and some people in real accounts just want attention, and they just attack. 0.98

02:23:15.000 I mean, this is just a real thing.

02:23:17.000 It's not just women, but they do it to men, too. 1.00

02:23:20.000 But to women, it always takes on a particularly vile, creepy quality. 1.00

02:23:24.000 It's like, finally I get to say this thing.

02:23:26.000 And what has happened there?

02:23:28.000 Well, somebody got raised badly.

02:23:29.000 Somebody did a terrible job raising a man. 0.99

02:23:31.000 They got him to this position where there's this broken bundle of emotions and memories, and they're all fucked up with no self-esteem. 1.00

02:23:38.000 And they find some little target online, whatever it is, and fuck You Duncan Trussell, you fucking sellout faggot, and next thing you know, they're attacking you, and you might just be about to go to the movies with your wife. 1.00

02:23:48.000 And you read that, like, what the fuck is this guy's problem, man? 1.00

02:23:50.000 I didn't do anything. 0.99

02:23:52.000 You put your phone down, and you go into that theater, and you're all pissed off. 0.98

02:23:55.000 I should fucking tweet him back. 0.98

02:23:56.000 But you shouldn't. 0.99

02:23:57.000 You can't.

02:23:58.000 There's too many people.

02:23:59.000 There's too many people.

02:24:00.000 No way.

02:24:00.000 And the bad thing is, you're gonna miss a lot of the good people.

02:24:03.000 But the good thing is...

02:24:05.000 You're going to put a lot out.

02:24:07.000 You have to put a lot of good out there, but you can't dwell too much in the back.

02:24:10.000 We're going to get through this.

02:24:11.000 This is a tumultuous adolescent stage of human interaction.

02:24:16.000 Yeah, that's right.

02:24:16.000 That's what's happening.

02:24:17.000 We're going to get through this and reach a much higher level of understanding of each other and a higher level of understanding of community. 0.99

02:24:25.000 This is why all these school shootings are happening and all this chaos and people driving trucks into crowds and shit. 0.95

02:24:31.000 It's because people are feeling out of this project of civilization and culture. 0.99

02:24:37.000 They feel horribly suicidal and depressed and confused and hateful and angry. 0.98

02:24:42.000 And they're filled up with chemicals and pharmaceuticals and loneliness and despair and anger and resentment and religious fervor and whatever the fuck. 0.99

02:24:52.000 What the fuck else is pushing them through this life? 0.98

02:24:55.000 And then they react. 0.99

02:24:56.000 They explode.

02:24:58.000 More explode all over the place.

02:24:59.000 We've got to take away the tools of explosion.

02:25:01.000 No, you've got to figure out why people are exploding.

02:25:04.000 How come no one is concentrating on why people are exploding?

02:25:09.000 The women want to go, oh, it's toxic masculinity. 1.00

02:25:11.000 And the men want to go, we're raising pussies. 1.00

02:25:13.000 And nobody wants to figure out what the fuck it is. 1.00

02:25:16.000 And they just hope that it doesn't happen again. 0.98

02:25:18.000 And then it happens again, and the argument starts up. 0.95

02:25:20.000 And Ted Nugent calls everybody a cuck, and the people that want the guns taken away, they all fucking storm in, and they demand, and they shriek in front of the senator's house at 2 o'clock in the morning. 1.00

02:25:34.000 The fucking cunt brigade rolls in. 1.00

02:25:36.000 The cunt brigade rolls in. 1.00

02:25:37.000 They start tweeting up a cunty storm. 1.00

02:25:39.000 Yeah.

02:25:39.000 Yeah, man.

02:25:40.000 This is where we're at, where we're not examining the behavior and the development of the human being.

02:25:45.000 It's a non-issue in our culture.

02:25:47.000 It's one of the most important things about being a person. 0.99

02:25:49.000 You've got to wait until you get to be 30 and you take a fucking Anthony Robbins seminar and try to get your shit together with some voodoo preacher down in Malibu that's doing some rock and roll church Christian thing. 1.00

02:25:59.000 And all the cool people go, I want to go and sing along. 0.99

02:26:02.000 Jesus, I love you.

02:26:04.000 Oh, it's amazing. 0.98

02:26:06.000 The guy plays piano and he fucks everybody he can. 0.98

02:26:08.000 It's chaos. 0.97

02:26:09.000 This is where we are.

02:26:10.000 This is where we are.

02:26:11.000 We're this tumultuous stage where all this information's flowing around and we gotta come up with management skills.

02:26:19.000 Management skills for behavior and communication.

02:26:21.000 That's right.

02:26:22.000 And we have to recognize that we're all in this together.

02:26:24.000 Dude, I love that description.

02:26:26.000 It's such a perfect description.

02:26:28.000 And I think that's the main thing for everyone who's freaked out to remind themselves of.

02:26:33.000 It's like, yeah, of course you're freaked out.

02:26:36.000 Of course.

02:26:36.000 You should be freaked out.

02:26:37.000 This is the right way to feel.

02:26:39.000 In a snowstorm, you're going to feel like I can't quite see what's up.

02:26:43.000 So definitely...

02:26:45.000 I have to be more compassionate when I see people are super freaking out, because sometimes I judge them.

02:26:50.000 And we all have to be more compassionate to ourselves.

02:26:54.000 But then, so if this is the state of chaos, and you're talking about management skills, so to speak, this is a thing...

02:27:03.000 This guy Jack Kornfield, who I have in my podcast sometimes, taught me.

02:27:06.000 This guy's amazing.

02:27:08.000 He's a Buddhist teacher.

02:27:09.000 But he says...

02:27:13.000 Tend to the part of the garden that you can touch, right?

02:27:16.000 And I think that is such incredible, incredible instruction.

02:27:20.000 That's a great way to put it.

02:27:21.000 Yeah.

02:27:22.000 It's a great way to put it.

02:27:23.000 Yeah.

02:27:23.000 So it's like in all that chaos that you just described, where like you see the thing and you realize like whatever it may be, the thing, the school shooting, the immigration, the bus, the whatever, and you really – you get this – Sad feeling.

02:27:41.000 There's nothing I can do about that.

02:27:43.000 And so you end up online.

02:27:45.000 You're scared.

02:27:47.000 Fear in Buddhism is cold anger.

02:27:50.000 When fear gets hot, it turns into anger.

02:27:53.000 So you're going to be angry because you're scared.

02:27:56.000 And then you start firing these shots online.

02:28:00.000 And the entire time you're doing that...

02:28:03.000 The entire time you're doing that, your mother, who lives at the other, you know, somewhere in the middle of the country, is living by herself in a house where she doesn't have enough money and the house is dilapidated and you haven't been paying attention to her. 0.99

02:28:19.000 She needs your fucking help, right? 1.00

02:28:22.000 It's not time for you necessarily, even though your aspiration to rebalance a democracy is beautiful and we all want that. 1.00

02:28:33.000 You're fucking neglecting one of your best friends, not your mom. 0.98

02:28:39.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

02:28:40.000 Someone you know is exhibiting some fucking behaviors that are off a little bit. 0.99

02:28:47.000 Or somebody in your neighborhood. 1.00

02:28:48.000 So it's like the whole time your mind through anger is focusing on the fucking press secretary. 0.99

02:28:55.000 Who, by the way, Joe, I don't think the press secretary... 0.99

02:28:59.000 I could be totally off on this. 0.99

02:29:02.000 But you want to talk about shooting the fucking messenger, man. 1.00

02:29:11.000 That's such a perfect statement. 1.00

02:29:13.000 She's the messenger.

02:29:14.000 Literally.

02:29:15.000 Yeah, you know what I mean?

02:29:16.000 That woman, that is a messenger. 1.00

02:29:20.000 Does she have the most pleasing personality? 0.99

02:29:23.000 Do you agree with her politics?

02:29:26.000 Probably not.

02:29:27.000 But come on, man.

02:29:29.000 I'll tell you this much.

02:29:30.000 Can you imagine if she did?

02:29:31.000 Yeah.

02:29:37.000 Yeah.

02:29:56.000 They're getting called out for some of their ridiculous behavior, like yelling out questions during a press conference, like your question's more important than all the people around you that might be politely raising their hand. 0.52

02:30:07.000 You've decided. 0.76

02:30:09.000 The world needs to know!

02:30:10.000 The world needs to know!

02:30:11.000 And they're going to hold these people, hold their feet to the fire.

02:30:14.000 Okay.

02:30:15.000 Maybe.

02:30:15.000 Maybe this is not the way to communicate with people, ever.

02:30:18.000 Maybe this Maxine Waters idea of getting people to protest, people in restaurants, and build a crowd and let them know that they're not welcome. 1.00

02:30:26.000 Okay, maybe that's the only way, right?

02:30:29.000 Let's just play devil's advocate.

02:30:30.000 If you're looking at all these people that are imposing these immoral policies, separating children from their parents, which seems to be the most egregious, that's the one that bothers us the most.

02:30:39.000 Everyone.

02:30:40.000 Yeah.

02:30:41.000 That's the one that's most horrific.

02:30:43.000 Way more than bombing them.

02:30:45.000 Yeah, it's crazy.

02:30:46.000 Well, that's far away.

02:30:47.000 That's not here.

02:30:48.000 But how do you stop that?

02:30:49.000 If you just let it happen, these smiling demons just pass these laws and laugh in your face and there's no pushback?

02:30:56.000 That doesn't work.

02:30:57.000 So what's the pushback?

02:30:58.000 How do you get pushback?

02:30:58.000 Well, this is where it gets weird.

02:31:02.000 They might have a point.

02:31:03.000 Okay, if you're dealing with something that's that disgusting, as long as there's no actual violence, if you're dealing with something that's so heinous, you're separating poor people from their parents that are just coming over here trying to take a chance to get a migrant labor ward. 0.91

02:31:23.000 Who are you protecting, man? 0.98

02:31:26.000 Who are they competing with to get these fucking strawberry picking jobs? 1.00

02:31:30.000 Nobody. 1.00

02:31:31.000 This is bullshit. 0.99

02:31:32.000 How do you stop that from happening? 1.00

02:31:33.000 Well, what about the law?

02:31:35.000 So in the middle, until this law gets changed, until we reconsider the humane aspects of this law, how many people's lives are going to get ruined? 0.82

02:31:42.000 How many thousands of kids are going to get traumatically separated from their parents and develop to become a more fucked up person who truly resents and hates the United States? 0.96

02:31:51.000 And get molested by some ICE agents. 0.99

02:31:53.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.91

02:31:54.000 Could that happen?

02:31:55.000 It did.

02:31:56.000 I'm sure.

02:31:56.000 It already happened.

02:31:57.000 I'm sure.

02:31:58.000 I'm not surprised.

02:31:59.000 I don't even want to know the story.

02:32:01.000 But how would you stop that?

02:32:04.000 I don't know how you would stop that, but one of the only ways that I could think of being really really effective in getting a message across is to make it super uncomfortable for people that push that message through sure what people that support that policy people that think it's not a big deal Jeff sessions gave a speech where they made a joke about Separating kids from their families and the audience laughed pull it pull that up It's it's on it was on the cover of like every

02:32:34.000 news source today. 0.99

02:32:35.000 Here we go fucking sessions But this poor little fuck It's the same thing with him. 1.00

02:32:41.000 Like, this guy, he just stopped evolving. 1.00

02:32:43.000 And he got into this, and he's not getting information.

02:32:46.000 He's not getting it.

02:32:47.000 He's not interacting with people.

02:32:49.000 He's not evolving his ideas. 1.00

02:32:50.000 He's stuck on this, people who smoke marijuana are bad people phase, which is like some 1930s shit. 0.99

02:32:56.000 I know. 1.00

02:32:57.000 He's a moron, you know, in a lot of ways. 1.00

02:32:59.000 And this is the product of his environment. 1.00

02:33:01.000 It's the product of his interactions and the ecosystem that he exists in.

02:33:05.000 He exists in this bubble.

02:33:07.000 Jeff Sessions speaking out about separating families.

02:33:10.000 From the other side on this issue, as on many others, has become radicalized. 0.90

02:33:16.000 We hear views on television today that are on the lunatic fringe, frankly, and what is perhaps more galling is the hypocrisy.

02:33:26.000 These same people live in gated communities, many of them, and are featured at events where you have to have an ID to even come in and hear them speak.

02:33:36.000 I like the little security around themselves.

02:33:39.000 And if you try to scale defense, believe me, they'll be even too happy to have you arrested and separated from your children.

02:33:49.000 It seemed like that joke was actually written for him. 1.00

02:33:52.000 Says the fucking guy getting people arrested for marijuana. 1.00

02:33:56.000 What a loon. 1.00

02:33:59.000 You know, obviously you're a fucking dummy. 1.00

02:34:01.000 There's a bigger difference between someone breaking into your house and breaking into the country to try to get a job. 1.00

02:34:05.000 You're not saying that people should break into people's houses.

02:34:08.000 The main thing is, Jeff Sessions represents something in the world.

02:34:13.000 And what that thing is, is a force that is actively trying to reduce love in the universe. 0.98

02:34:22.000 And it's fucking real. 0.51

02:34:24.000 And so if you want to come up with a nice war, Or a name for what's happening, this revolution that's happening, and it is. 0.98

02:34:34.000 We're pushing back against that.

02:34:36.000 Okay, can I be the devil's advocate?

02:34:37.000 I'll be the devil again.

02:34:38.000 Sure.

02:34:38.000 That's not what he's doing.

02:34:40.000 He's supporting the law.

02:34:41.000 We have a law, and this is how we keep a beautiful country like America.

02:34:44.000 The reason why we have nice, clean streets, the reason why we have cops, and social security, it's because we have rules.

02:34:50.000 And as soon as we just allow people to bypass those rules, people that don't agree with our way of life, they don't support our way of life, they just want to come over here and mooch off the system.

02:35:01.000 That's harder for you, it's harder for him, it's harder for everybody, Everybody else, all Johnny Taxpayer out there, has to pay for these migrants that you don't even know. 0.99

02:35:09.000 They're not even a part of your clan.

02:35:11.000 They're from another close-by clan.

02:35:13.000 I know, Jeff.

02:35:13.000 But here's the bigger problem.

02:35:15.000 This is the big problem, man.

02:35:18.000 Everything you just said, Mr. Sessions, Too legit to quit?

02:35:26.000 As far as like the rules of the game, in some ways I guess it's true, but like if we look at it from a bigger perspective, which your type really doesn't like at all for some reason, but maybe it's just because you're old and your body probably hurts a little bit and also that fucking butt plug that I would bet $200,000 that you have shoved into your ass All the time, 1.00

02:35:49.000 you think? 1.00

02:35:49.000 I think all the fucking time. 1.00

02:35:51.000 And I think it's like, I get a big BDSM vibe from that dude, but that's just me. 0.99

02:35:57.000 I don't think it's true.

02:35:58.000 I don't know.

02:35:58.000 Here's my point, man.

02:36:01.000 There's a bigger thing happening.

02:36:03.000 And that bigger thing is just, for a lot of people, it's unpalatable because it's so complex and we don't yet know how to do it.

02:36:13.000 But we live on a planet And you say this all the time, where we are all people.

02:36:19.000 We are planetarians.

02:36:21.000 We are earthlings, right?

02:36:23.000 We happen to have been born into a country, this country or that country. 0.98

02:36:27.000 Some of these countries have big fucking walls around them because there's prosperity inside that country. 0.98

02:36:32.000 And there's prosperity inside that country and there's not prosperity in other places. 0.99

02:36:36.000 And people are suffering.

02:36:38.000 They're suffering bad, dude.

02:36:40.000 Bad, bad, bad suffering where it's like, there's like, they can't They can't live in some of these places without getting killed for sure.

02:36:48.000 The chance of them getting killed is high for whatever reason and they're just doing what any living organism does.

02:36:53.000 They're trying to get to a better spot.

02:36:55.000 Also, Mr. Sessions, you probably don't believe in it, but once those fucking ice caps melt, holy fuck! 1.00

02:37:03.000 When the cities in the next 50 years or so become inundated with water and people have to start moving more and more and more from places that are becoming uninhabitable. 0.99

02:37:12.000 What do you think that's gonna happen?

02:37:14.000 I don't know, man, but let's make a long date.

02:37:17.000 So what do we do, Duncan?

02:37:18.000 We just open up the borders for everybody? 1.00

02:37:20.000 Mr. Sessions, I don't fucking know, but I can tell you this. 0.97

02:37:25.000 If we start approaching this from the perspective of love, which is the perspective of, like, we don't need to separate them from their kids, and there might be a way to do this that eases their suffering a little bit more. 0.87

02:37:37.000 I don't know what it is, but from looking at what you're doing right now, that ain't it!

02:37:42.000 And I think we can do it better. 0.96

02:37:44.000 I don't know what it is, but I think if we get a lot of people together and really think about it and figure it out, I'm not talking redistribution of wealth or some kind of crazy communist shit. 1.00

02:37:54.000 I'm just saying, I know for sure we can do better than those goddamn aluminum blankets you're putting on those fucking kids. 0.99

02:38:03.000 Can we get a guitar player in here? 0.99

02:38:04.000 Hey, maybe we can get some beds in here. 0.92

02:38:07.000 Is there a way to like, you know, there's just all kinds of shit we could do, I think, that's better than what we're doing. 0.91

02:38:12.000 Why would that help? 0.97

02:38:13.000 No, I'm not saying play the guitar to solve the immigration problem. 0.50

02:38:20.000 If that worked, I'm sure the immigration problem would be solved. 1.00

02:38:23.000 I'm just saying that the current methodology seems to be a little more sadistic than it needs to be.

02:38:29.000 That's all.

02:38:30.000 I don't know the answer.

02:38:31.000 I don't know what the answer is, but I do know we're converging as a species, and I would imagine that is...

02:38:39.000 Technology continues to connect us.

02:38:41.000 We're going to be transcending nationalities in a way that aren't going to be palatable to people like Jeff Sessions.

02:38:46.000 And I think that that's what's happening.

02:38:51.000 So what do we do now?

02:38:52.000 Like, honestly.

02:38:54.000 I'm not Jeff Sessions anymore.

02:38:55.000 I'm me.

02:38:56.000 Now I'm me.

02:38:56.000 Hey, talking to you again.

02:38:58.000 What would you do?

02:39:00.000 Okay, I'll give you my...

02:39:03.000 Response to that which isn't gonna be right because I don't really and I don't understand the issue at a level deep enough right so can I just say like one I There's many there's it's a complex situation.

02:39:14.000 Yeah, there's not one answer to it, right?

02:39:17.000 You just let anybody in who's not a criminal?

02:39:22.000 See, here's the thing.

02:39:22.000 It's hard to get in.

02:39:24.000 How do we detect that?

02:39:25.000 But we'd have to have some sort of faith in their records.

02:39:27.000 So we would have to help their record keeping.

02:39:29.000 So really, what we want...

02:39:31.000 Really, the way to do it correctly is, first of all, anyone who's attached to us, whether it's Mexico or Canada, make sure they're okay.

02:39:39.000 Make sure that they are viable and stable and help them.

02:39:43.000 That's the real thing.

02:39:44.000 Treat them as if they're a colony of the United States. 0.99

02:39:46.000 They're, like, not that they're not sovereign, that they're still Mexico, but, like, treat them like they are connected to us and we don't want them to be fucked up and crazy. 0.98

02:39:56.000 Instead of building up a wall, make it so that nobody wants to come over here. 0.98

02:39:59.000 Like, that seems to be the prosperity way to go about it. 0.99

02:40:02.000 Like, to say, hey, you know, Mexico's fucking beautiful. 0.95

02:40:06.000 There's a reason why people vacation in Mexico. 0.99

02:40:09.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

02:40:11.000 You go to Punta Mita or fucking Puerto Vallarta or Cabo or Tulum. 1.00

02:40:20.000 It's fucking beautiful. 1.00

02:40:23.000 The idea that it's beautiful and also dangerous and scary and filled with crime, that's fucking stupid. 1.00

02:40:29.000 So then you would go, well, what's the problem here? 1.00

02:40:31.000 Well, the problem here is that drugs are illegal.

02:40:33.000 Drugs are illegal, and the United States wants to buy a bunch of drugs, so all these people are making billions of dollars selling drugs.

02:40:38.000 There's only one way to do that. 0.99

02:40:39.000 You've got to kill cops. 1.00

02:40:40.000 You've got to kill cops. 1.00

02:40:40.000 You've got to kill rats. 1.00

02:40:41.000 You've got to kill rivals. 1.00

02:40:43.000 You've got to kill whoever the fuck you've got to kill. 1.00

02:40:45.000 And you've got to send a message. 1.00

02:40:46.000 You've got to hang people from fucking bridges and shit. 1.00

02:40:49.000 You've got to do things to send a message that you're ruthless and you're here to get that money. 1.00

02:40:53.000 And there's a lot of that going on, and that is no different than Al Capone during the fucking prohibition of alcohol in the United States. 0.96

02:41:00.000 There you go. 0.97

02:41:10.000 Awesome.

02:41:26.000 The whole thing is crazy, but this is what we're next to. 0.98

02:41:29.000 And so instead of saying, hey, we've got to make a fucking wall, what we should be saying is, what do we have to do to not just fix Mexico, not just help them and come up with some sort of strategy and a plan to build them up almost as equals, but we've got to fix our fucking poor neighborhoods. 0.99

02:41:47.000 We've got to fix these fucking neighborhoods that have been drenched in poverty since the 1920s. 0.99

02:41:52.000 How about fix them? 1.00

02:41:53.000 Fix them.

02:41:54.000 Put some energy into it.

02:41:56.000 Put some planning.

02:41:56.000 Hire people.

02:41:57.000 The same way Halliburton hires people to fucking rebuild shit we blow up in Iraq. 1.00

02:42:01.000 They should be hiring people to figure out how to rebuild these communities. 0.99

02:42:05.000 Figure out how to give people jobs.

02:42:07.000 Figure out how to develop community centers so that kids have somewhere to go there where they can learn and be productive so you're developing less losers.

02:42:14.000 Giving people hopes and dreams, giving them things that they can put their energy to that make them feel good about life, right?

02:42:19.000 Give them skills and games that they can play, and things they can do where they get good at it, where they develop self-esteem, which is one of the most terrible things about growing up in an impoverished, crime-ridden, gang-infested neighborhood, is you feel like you're nothing.

02:42:32.000 You're nothing.

02:42:33.000 Your life can be taken away at any moment.

02:42:35.000 You gotta be careful where you go.

02:42:36.000 Bullets are flying.

02:42:37.000 People are getting killed. 1.00

02:42:38.000 People are killing people over words, and insults, and fucking territory for drugs, and your aunt's on crack, and your uncle's in jail, and it just seems like there's no fucking hope. 0.99

02:42:48.000 And no one does anything about it. 0.99

02:42:50.000 A few people do things about it.

02:42:51.000 A lot of people dedicate their lives to it.

02:42:53.000 But it's not enough from a governmental level.

02:42:55.000 No one in the top of the organization is looking at this big thing and saying, they're all going, hey, we gotta drill more oil.

02:43:01.000 Hey, we've got to do it with the resources.

02:43:04.000 What about our greatest resource?

02:43:06.000 Human beings. 0.95

02:43:07.000 The greatest way to make America great again is to have less losers.

02:43:12.000 The way to have less losers is you've got to find the spots that are sick and heal them.

02:43:17.000 Yes.

02:43:17.000 Yeah, find these communities that have the momentum of poverty and crime and violence, and it's existed for as long as we can think.

02:43:26.000 For decades.

02:43:27.000 Fix them.

02:43:28.000 Fix them.

02:43:29.000 And have a concerted effort to fix them.

02:43:31.000 And bring everybody together.

02:43:32.000 Bring everybody together.

02:43:33.000 And instead of this idea that we're all separate and we're all fucking two-party right-left nonsense, this civil war between Trump supporters and people who want to kick people out of restaurants, How about we all realize that if we're going to treat each other as Americans,

02:43:49.000 we're going to agree that we're on this team, we've got to start acting like teammates. 0.62

02:43:52.000 That's it.

02:43:53.000 Yeah.

02:43:53.000 So you don't like what the coach is saying?

02:43:55.000 Let's find common ground.

02:43:58.000 Instead of always searching for the negative in things, instead of reinforcing ridiculous ideas because you know that that's what your team supports.

02:44:06.000 Like I see a lot of people online talking about this immigrant issue and they either don't have kids or they don't think it could happen to their kids. 0.99

02:44:13.000 Their idea is, hey, shouldn't have fucking come over here. 0.96

02:44:20.000 If you were in the presence of a woman who came over here from Guatemala and she's poor and she's starving and they're taking her baby away and she's wailing and screaming from a primal place in her DNA that the one thing she loves more than anything is being taken away. 0.99

02:44:40.000 A baby! 0.98

02:44:42.000 If that doesn't freak you the fuck out, you're not a part of the team, man. 0.99

02:44:46.000 You're missing it. 0.98

02:44:47.000 You're missing it.

02:44:47.000 What are we here for?

02:44:48.000 We're here for a hundred years of whatever.

02:44:50.000 That's what we're here for. 0.75

02:44:51.000 If you want to spend a hundred years saying, hey, she shouldn't have fucking broke the law, I don't want you on the team. 1.00

02:44:56.000 You're an asshole, right? 1.00

02:44:58.000 And I don't give a fuck if you're right or left. 1.00

02:45:01.000 I don't care if you're religious or I don't care if you're an atheist. 1.00

02:45:04.000 If that's what you support, you're an asshole and we don't want you on our team. 1.00

02:45:08.000 Okay? 0.99

02:45:08.000 But if you agree with certain economic policies that I don't agree with, and we could have a discussion about it, we could figure out why you agree, and we could figure out why people are allowing all this money to get into politics. 0.99

02:45:20.000 Why are we allowing all these special interest groups and lobbyists to interfere with our laws and influence our politicians and create all this shit that we don't want? 0.69

02:45:30.000 Well, here's the number one reason. 0.98

02:45:32.000 You can't just vote online.

02:45:34.000 You can't just vote.

02:45:35.000 It's not one person, one vote.

02:45:37.000 It's the Electoral College, and there's a lot of checks and balances that are in place.

02:45:40.000 It's all wonderful and groovy, but it's not giving the trust to the people.

02:45:43.000 The trust to the people that are informed, that they can make their own decisions, that more people should be able to make these decisions.

02:45:49.000 But they're happening now.

02:45:50.000 That 28-year-old girl who won... 1.00

02:45:53.000 I know!

02:45:53.000 In New York, 28-year-old democratic socialist.

02:45:57.000 Whether I agree with her or not, and I don't know if I do or don't.

02:46:00.000 I bet I agree with her on a lot of things.

02:46:01.000 I think education should be free.

02:46:03.000 I think we should figure out a way.

02:46:04.000 If we could pay for bombs, we could pay for schools.

02:46:07.000 I think this idea that everybody should have health care, it's a great idea. 0.99

02:46:10.000 Who the fuck wants people to not be healthy? 0.94

02:46:12.000 Who wants people to be hurt and not be able to fix it? 0.99

02:46:16.000 Are you really saying that struggling people should have to pay exorbitant amounts of money to get fixed when we can maybe chip in and help members of our team? 1.00

02:46:24.000 That's stupid. 0.99

02:46:24.000 Can you fill it up? 0.99

02:46:25.000 Figure it out yourself?

02:46:26.000 I had to. 1.00

02:46:27.000 You got lucky, bitch. 1.00

02:46:28.000 You got lucky you don't have leukemia. 1.00

02:46:30.000 You didn't break both your legs when you were 18. Your parents are dead.

02:46:32.000 You got lucky, piece of shit. 1.00

02:46:34.000 These are people on our team. 1.00

02:46:36.000 I'm not talking about people who are lazy, good for nothing, losers, mooching off the system. 0.97

02:46:41.000 You're going to have that, too. 0.92

02:46:42.000 Well, we got to figure out how to educate people so that that happens less and less.

02:46:46.000 That's what we got to figure out how to do.

02:46:47.000 Dude, that's...

02:46:48.000 It.

02:46:48.000 You just described it.

02:46:50.000 I mean, that is it.

02:46:50.000 I don't know what to call that thing you just talked about, but that's happening everywhere.

02:46:56.000 That's not just happening in the United States.

02:46:57.000 That's a global shift that's happening.

02:47:00.000 Did you see the video of when she found out she won?

02:47:02.000 It's amazing.

02:47:03.000 Play it.

02:47:04.000 It's like one of the realest moments.

02:47:06.000 And look, people are angry. 1.00

02:47:08.000 28-year-olds, what the fuck does she know? 0.99

02:47:10.000 What she doesn't know, she'll learn. 1.00

02:47:12.000 Let's find out.

02:47:13.000 Let's find out what she learns.

02:47:14.000 Maybe she knows a lot. 0.98

02:47:16.000 That's ridiculous. 0.92

02:47:17.000 I like the fact she wasn't supposed to win. 0.89

02:47:19.000 I like the fact that the guy who was an incumbent was a 10-term incumbent and that he spent 10-to-1 versus on her.

02:47:27.000 How much money she spent? 1.00

02:47:28.000 10-to-1.

02:47:29.000 Grassroots got her elected, man.

02:47:31.000 That can happen.

02:47:34.000 Dude, she's a kid. 0.91

02:47:35.000 And she's pretty.

02:47:37.000 She's a pretty young 28 year old. 1.00

02:47:39.000 I mean, watch this. 1.00

02:47:40.000 Watch this shit when she wins. 1.00

02:47:41.000 Play this. 1.00

02:47:44.000 She's looking at herself on television right now.

02:47:47.000 How are you feeling?

02:47:48.000 Can you put it into words?

02:47:50.000 Nope.

02:47:51.000 I cannot put this into words.

02:47:53.000 She won.

02:47:54.000 There you go.

02:47:55.000 And look, you know, I don't know if democratic socialism is the answer, but I know it's a part of the conversation.

02:48:01.000 Yep.

02:48:01.000 And this is the thing, that locking out any ideology in this team as part of the conversation, like what does democratic socialism entail?

02:48:09.000 Like what does it entail? 0.99

02:48:10.000 I don't buy all this the market will take care of itself bullshit. 0.92

02:48:15.000 I think there's a certain amount of us we have to chip into the community pile. 0.95

02:48:19.000 Yeah.

02:48:19.000 I think that's real.

02:48:20.000 The real problem is how efficient and good is the community pile? 0.99

02:48:24.000 Are there a bunch of lazy cunts in the community pile? 1.00

02:48:27.000 Is there waste and nonsense and bullshit? 1.00

02:48:29.000 And these people that have those jobs you were talking about earlier that are told, slow down, slow down. 0.99

02:48:33.000 I know you could do this in two hours, but you can get an eight-hour day out of this.

02:48:37.000 Just don't fuck this up.

02:48:38.000 How much of that's going on? 0.89

02:48:39.000 I don't want any of that going on.

02:48:40.000 But if the community pile is taken care of and managed in a...

02:48:48.000 An honest and a way that's trustworthy and great for all involved and beneficial to the community and supportive of community values and love and this idea that we're all on a team and that you're gonna be okay.

02:49:01.000 Did you break your leg, Duncan?

02:49:02.000 Hey, you're gonna be okay.

02:49:04.000 And we make fun of Canada's healthcare and it's not the best.

02:49:06.000 It's not the best. 0.99

02:49:07.000 I have friends, my friend Jen, she broke her fucking knee. 0.99

02:49:10.000 She had to get a ACL reconstruction and they kind of botched it and they had to go back in and fix it again. 0.99

02:49:15.000 She had to wait forever.

02:49:16.000 It's not the best.

02:49:17.000 But it's there.

02:49:18.000 It's something.

02:49:19.000 And maybe that can be improved.

02:49:20.000 Maybe improving that is better.

02:49:22.000 Let me throw this in.

02:49:23.000 I also have options, but I also believe in options for people to do it better.

02:49:27.000 Like the surgeons that you can get in the United States.

02:49:29.000 There's a guy, Dr. Gettleman, the guy who fixed my knee. 0.99

02:49:32.000 He's a fucking wizard. 0.99

02:49:33.000 This guy's really good. 1.00

02:49:35.000 He does a lot of pro athletes. 0.98

02:49:36.000 I mean, he did a great fucking job reconstructing my knee. 0.96

02:49:39.000 He's an artist. 0.98

02:49:40.000 I don't think there's anything wrong with someone like that getting paid more.

02:49:43.000 I don't think someone else...

02:49:44.000 I think...

02:49:45.000 LeBron James should get paid more for playing basketball than me.

02:49:48.000 If I was playing basketball, I shouldn't get paid as much as him. 0.98

02:49:51.000 He's fucking way better, right? 0.96

02:49:53.000 And I think that there's that with doctors as well. 0.99

02:49:56.000 I think with everything as well.

02:49:58.000 But I think that it's a lot like...

02:49:59.000 There's a lot of people that are state-funded prosecutors or defense attorneys where people can't afford it.

02:50:08.000 What is that called?

02:50:11.000 Public defender.

02:50:12.000 Public defender, yeah.

02:50:13.000 There's a lot of people that are really good.

02:50:14.000 Really good.

02:50:15.000 Young, hungry, very good at it.

02:50:18.000 They're going to put in their time in the public sector or doing it for the public defender, and then they eventually go on to maybe even not do that.

02:50:26.000 Maybe they just get satisfaction out of helping people that don't have any money.

02:50:30.000 That doesn't mean that you shouldn't have high-priced lawyers as well.

02:50:32.000 And it doesn't mean that people shouldn't be able to pursue excellence and be rewarded for that excellence and be able to do whatever the fuck they want with it.

02:50:40.000 Whether they want to be charitable with that money or whether they want to be selfish with that money, if they're pursuing excellence and through their excellence they manage to amass an extreme amount of wealth. 0.99

02:50:52.000 Playing the guitar, whatever the fuck they do. 0.97

02:50:54.000 There's nothing wrong with that either. 0.98

02:50:55.000 We've got to stop thinking there's something wrong with that.

02:50:58.000 Chipping in and everybody putting into the company pile is, in a sense, some form of socialism, right?

02:51:05.000 Like, we agree on some kind of socialism.

02:51:08.000 When you consider the fire department, the police department, this is like social things, right?

02:51:14.000 We put money into it.

02:51:15.000 It's not a total redistribution of wealth, like deciding how much rich people should make, but it is deciding, you gotta chip in.

02:51:22.000 We all got a chip in.

02:51:23.000 Everybody's got a chip in.

02:51:24.000 We just don't feel like the chipping in is good. 0.99

02:51:26.000 We feel like it's all fucked up. 0.99

02:51:28.000 We feel like there's a bunch of dummies out there like this Jeff Sessions guy. 0.99

02:51:31.000 That guy gets paid for my chip! 1.00

02:51:33.000 This fucking dummy! 1.00

02:51:34.000 And all these fucking people that are robbing the system with their two hour a day jobs that they're stretching out to eight hours. 1.00

02:51:42.000 That builds resentment. 1.00

02:51:43.000 It's poor management.

02:51:45.000 And it's also people that are listless.

02:51:47.000 They're not valuable jobs.

02:51:49.000 They're not like a job that commands the same sort of attention as some of the more attractive jobs that people seek out.

02:51:57.000 Yeah, man.

02:51:59.000 All of it's true.

02:52:00.000 I just think it's what people think is, let's wait for the government to do this.

02:52:06.000 Yeah.

02:52:06.000 And that's where I think the problem is.

02:52:08.000 Instead of thinking like, okay, yeah, all that's true.

02:52:11.000 Let's figure out a way to get more taxpayer money out of the military industrial complex, out of the prisons, and let's put it in the neighborhoods that need it.

02:52:20.000 Let's get it for funding education.

02:52:23.000 All of that is really beautiful.

02:52:25.000 But it's still...

02:52:28.000 And you want to vote and make all that happen.

02:52:31.000 Grassroots movements, all of it.

02:52:33.000 But...

02:52:34.000 Also, think of the term socialism, right?

02:52:38.000 Just what is it?

02:52:39.000 Social.

02:52:39.000 It's like you don't have to wait for the state to come and start figuring out ways to tax people to make that pile of money happen.

02:52:49.000 This is where I think it's an interesting thing to start exploring the idea of intentional communities.

02:52:56.000 I'm not saying starting a commune or anything like that, but you can actually push your friendship group To the next level.

02:53:04.000 Like, it doesn't just have to be a random group of friends who knows each other.

02:53:07.000 Like, you can start that pile of opulence with a group of friends.

02:53:12.000 Where it's like, you know what I mean?

02:53:13.000 A group of friends can just agree with each other.

02:53:16.000 Like, hey man, just so you know, you're not going to be homeless.

02:53:20.000 I got you. 0.99

02:53:22.000 I'm not going to fucking give you money all the goddamn time. 0.99

02:53:25.000 And if you, like, you know, if you're, like... 1.00

02:53:28.000 You don't even have to say any of this shit. 0.99

02:53:30.000 Except, hey, we're... 0.99

02:53:32.000 You're always okay.

02:53:33.000 You're okay.

02:53:34.000 You're okay.

02:53:35.000 I gotcha.

02:53:36.000 Right?

02:53:36.000 Dude, that's what you and I did when you moved in with me.

02:53:39.000 I know, Joe!

02:53:40.000 I know, man.

02:53:41.000 I forget about that sometimes.

02:53:42.000 We lived together for like six months.

02:53:44.000 I don't forget about it.

02:53:46.000 And that kind of thing, which is what I'm saying is like everyone right now, And I understand why, man.

02:53:55.000 But to me, there seems to be something demonic about the public fixation on the state.

02:54:00.000 It's like the state is this, like, dragon.

02:54:03.000 And it's like, God, like, it's a, well...

02:54:06.000 I think it's a daddy.

02:54:07.000 It's a daddy. 1.00

02:54:09.000 It's a multi-armed daddy with a bunch of fucking laser pointers that it's got the entire population watching, like, cats running around, right? 1.00

02:54:18.000 We're all like, oh god, they did that! 1.00

02:54:20.000 Oh my god, he did that!

02:54:21.000 Oh my god, they did that!

02:54:22.000 When will this change?

02:54:23.000 When will this change?

02:54:24.000 Your phone's ringing. 0.99

02:54:26.000 Guess who's fucking calling? 1.00

02:54:27.000 Your dad. 1.00

02:54:29.000 When was the last time you talked to your dad?

02:54:31.000 Three months ago. 1.00

02:54:33.000 Call your fucking dad back. 1.00

02:54:35.000 The whole time you're like, I got to drive! 1.00

02:54:38.000 The whole time you're neglecting your family.

02:54:40.000 You're neglecting your neighborhood. 1.00

02:54:42.000 You're walking down the street, looking at your phone like, holy fuck, he said that? 1.00

02:54:48.000 I'm writing a fucking blog about that! 1.00

02:54:51.000 Guess what you're walking by, dude? 1.00

02:54:52.000 You're walking by fucking plastic bottles, piles of fucking trash, three fucking meth addicts, and some fucking woman who just... 1.00

02:55:01.000 Got beaten by her husband and is now living on the streets for the last couple of weeks. 1.00

02:55:05.000 And you've got fucking $40,000 in the bank account. 0.99

02:55:09.000 Liquid! 0.99

02:55:11.000 I like saying that.

02:55:12.000 Ten to the garden you can touch.

02:55:14.000 Yes!

02:55:15.000 Yes!

02:55:15.000 Ten to the garden you can touch and do it in an organized way.

02:55:18.000 And then like maybe...

02:55:19.000 Okay, but don't you have a garden that you can touch that's giant?

02:55:22.000 Like think about that.

02:55:23.000 Think about what you've done during this podcast and some of the things that you've said.

02:55:28.000 You basically touched an enormous garden. 0.99

02:55:31.000 Sure, that's a really easy way to do it, because I'm a yappy motherfucker. 0.99

02:55:37.000 I'm talking about like... 0.99

02:55:38.000 No, in your life too, but that counts too. 0.96

02:55:41.000 I think it does count, but I think that it would be easy to do things like that and still forget about something that's really basic, which is now that I'm talking about this shit, I'm thinking to myself... 0.80

02:55:54.000 Right now, like, in my neighborhood, I'm thinking like, wait a minute, like, what am I not doing? 0.78

02:56:01.000 I don't know what it is yet, but I guarantee there's something that I could do.

02:56:05.000 And I like that, man, because you know, like...

02:56:09.000 Tithing to the church.

02:56:10.000 Yes.

02:56:11.000 So to me, I think we may have talked about this before, but I get it and all.

02:56:16.000 But that has always seemed like a really boring way to do it.

02:56:21.000 The plate comes by, you throw some money in, it goes to church stuff, you don't know.

02:56:27.000 But the idea of tithing. 0.91

02:56:30.000 I think there's something to it, which is like if you just kind of look at your income and you think, all right, 5% of this shit is going to get spent or 10% or whatever you're comfortable with, I'm putting that in a pile. 0.69

02:56:43.000 And that pile is going to helping people in my neighborhood or my friends or my family. 0.93

02:56:49.000 And I'm just going to give that away.

02:56:53.000 And I think there's something to be said for that because right now I think we were a little too fixated on the daddy state helping us.

02:57:01.000 And I think it's more important that we start helping each other and forming communities that are based on love and friendship and just figure it out.

02:57:09.000 Some of the communities are going to fail. 0.99

02:57:11.000 Some of them are going to get a couple of assholes in there who are con artists and trick everybody or lazy people. 0.98

02:57:17.000 But the main thing is, let's start thinking in terms of Organizing into communities that aren't based on a fixation on the government right now. 0.99

02:57:27.000 And then let's see what happens.

02:57:29.000 And with that, ladies and gentlemen, we conclude another episode of the Joe Rogan Experience.

02:57:35.000 I'd like to thank my guest, Duncan Trussell.

02:57:37.000 Thank you.

02:57:38.000 The great Duncan Trussell.

02:57:40.000 Praise Odin.

02:57:41.000 Hare Krishna!

02:57:42.000 Young Jamie on the mic.

02:57:44.000 And the work of the keys in the background. 1.00

02:57:46.000 And all of you fucks. 0.99

02:57:47.000 Love you! 0.99

02:57:48.000 Love for everybody.

02:57:49.000 We can do this, folks.

02:57:50.000 We are doing it!

02:57:51.000 We're doing this.

02:57:52.000 We're gonna be okay.

02:57:53.000 Bye!

The Joe Rogan Experience - June 27, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1137 - Duncan Trussell

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