The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1168 - Mareko Maumasi

00:00:02.000 Four, three, two, one.

00:00:06.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:07.000 The lost art of knife making.

00:00:10.000 It's still alive.

00:00:11.000 How are you, man?

00:00:12.000 I'm doing good, man.

00:00:13.000 Thanks for coming down here.

00:00:14.000 I appreciate it. 0.98

00:00:14.000 Fucking huge. 0.98

00:00:15.000 I really appreciate you having me down. 0.96

00:00:17.000 Hey, listen, man, you've made two awesome, well, four awesome knives for me, but this one is one I use all the time that I've posted on Instagram that people freak out, as we were talking about before the podcast.

00:00:28.000 It actually has meteor in it.

00:00:30.000 Yeah.

00:00:30.000 Meteorite.

00:00:31.000 Meteor's a big one.

00:00:32.000 Meteorite's a little one.

00:00:33.000 Is that the idea?

00:00:35.000 Do you know?

00:00:35.000 I guess.

00:00:36.000 You should know.

00:00:37.000 You're the knife maker.

00:00:39.000 So I made the knife.

00:00:42.000 I forged the knife.

00:00:43.000 But the steel is a very special kind of steel that very few people can actually manufacture on a small scale in the world.

00:00:51.000 And that was made by my shopmate, Peter Swarsberg.

00:00:54.000 And so the meteorite is kind of a small element in the whole matrix because most meteorite is all nickel or all iron or something like that.

00:01:07.000 And this one particularly is a lot of nickel and some cobalt.

00:01:11.000 And if you're gonna make an actual usable steel out of it, you can't really use a whole lot of it in the overall mixture.

00:01:20.000 So, is there any meteorites that are made out of all iron?

00:01:24.000 Yeah, definitely.

00:01:25.000 You just have to find them?

00:01:26.000 You just gotta find the ones.

00:01:27.000 Yeah, and there are impact sites all over the world.

00:01:30.000 Like, they're hitting the world all the time.

00:01:32.000 Can you just take them?

00:01:35.000 Like, when they land, is it yours if you find it?

00:01:37.000 Yep.

00:01:38.000 Like, you don't have to report it to NASA or anything, right?

00:01:40.000 No.

00:01:40.000 Hey, bro.

00:01:41.000 Found some space junk.

00:01:42.000 Most of them are so small that by the time they...

00:01:47.000 Hit the actual Earth's surface.

00:01:49.000 They've completely disintegrated or burned up.

00:01:51.000 So it's the really massive ones.

00:01:54.000 And this was part of an impact, I think, in South America.

00:02:00.000 Oh, wow.

00:02:01.000 I can't remember where exactly.

00:02:02.000 It's just crazy to think that there's a piece of space in there. 0.99

00:02:05.000 Fuck yeah, dude. 1.00

00:02:06.000 This is a dope pattern. 1.00

00:02:09.000 I'm really into craftsmanship, man.

00:02:10.000 I always have been.

00:02:12.000 I love handmade pool cues and this desk, which is a handmade desk.

00:02:17.000 I feel like it's one of the things that I really appreciate in this modern digital world.

00:02:22.000 And I also feel like, unfortunately, it may be one of the things that's slipping away.

00:02:28.000 It definitely is slipping away.

00:02:30.000 I think with...

00:02:33.000 Technology has been great for us in a lot of different ways. 0.97

00:02:36.000 We couldn't be fucking talking into a piece of metal and it's recorded on a computer. 0.92

00:02:41.000 It's going through a wire, flying through the air. 0.96

00:02:42.000 It does a lot of great things, but in doing all those great things, it actually has taken us away from...

00:02:59.000 Yeah.

00:03:00.000 Yeah.

00:03:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:03:11.000 It brings so much more value to the overall experience of eating those eggs or using that knife or sitting at this fucking table right here. 0.98

00:03:19.000 And it seems like a fairly recent movement in that direction, right? 0.98

00:03:23.000 Like it feels like things got so digital that people are like, whoa, whoa, whoa, with the Facebook and the fucking Instagram. 0.98

00:03:30.000 I want a wood table. 1.00

00:03:33.000 I want to saw this bitch myself. 1.00

00:03:35.000 Put your hands on it. 0.99

00:03:36.000 Yeah, I don't want it to be plastic.

00:03:38.000 I want real stuff.

00:03:40.000 And there's something about handmade things, whether it's a handmade pair of boots or a handmade bag.

00:03:47.000 It's like there's something about things that are made by hand that people get a deep appreciation of.

00:03:53.000 For sure.

00:03:54.000 Well, and I think it also kind of goes back, like I was saying, as technology has advanced, we've kind of grown away from these kind of what's considered blue-collar work and craftsmanship kind of work.

00:04:06.000 But I think people really...

00:04:10.000 We're good to go. 0.88

00:04:30.000 Even when somebody comes out of something and maybe I taught a class on how to make a knife and it looks like a fucking turd, they're going to think it looks like the most beautiful fucking knife they've ever seen in their life because their hands and their creativity, their energy, their sweat and probably some of their blood is put into creating that thing and that brings that much more value to it. 0.80

00:04:51.000 Yeah, I think that's an issue with people today that have jobs that they don't feel are very fulfilling, is that there's no real thing that they're creating at the end. 0.97

00:04:57.000 Whereas if you make a table, and at the end when you're putting the final sanding on and the final layer of stain, and you're looking at it like, I fucking made this.

00:05:10.000 This is a real thing that I can touch that I made.

00:05:12.000 Just like human beings in our current form.

00:05:17.000 There's a deep connection to making things, physical things, and an appreciation for things that people have made, whether it's a rifle that somebody made, or a knife, or a hammer that someone's made.

00:05:30.000 There's something about that that we just have a real appreciation for.

00:05:35.000 If you can buy a knife from the store that's made in a shop, I mean, it'll work.

00:05:40.000 You know, some knife that's made, some mass manufacturing process, it'll work, and it's fine.

00:05:45.000 I mean, you'll appreciate it.

00:05:46.000 But you won't appreciate it like, I appreciate this thing.

00:05:48.000 Like, every time I take this out, I'm, like, super careful with it.

00:05:51.000 And, you know, and then the handle, the handle's made out of, this is a moose antler and elk antler, right?

00:05:57.000 The elk at the top and the moose at the bottom.

00:05:59.000 And I saw your conversation, or I listened to your conversation with Guy Ritchie, and you brought up that there was, I think actually Jamie pulled it up, and it was like, bog oak.

00:06:07.000 And Guy Ritchie was like, bog-o?

00:06:09.000 What bog?

00:06:10.000 Are there American bogs? 1.00

00:06:11.000 I don't know if there are any American bogs. 0.99

00:06:13.000 It was from a bog in Russia, and it was carbon dated to 5,400 years old.

00:06:19.000 So essentially, it's been sunken in a bog.

00:06:21.000 That's the other knife that you made for me.

00:06:23.000 That has a handle.

00:06:24.000 It's a bog.

00:06:25.000 Bog oak.

00:06:26.000 How's one to get a hold of bog oak?

00:06:28.000 So people are raising logs like there actually was a show I think it was on Discovery Channel or History where people were their job was raising logs out of the swamps down in Louisiana and in the south and using making use of that wood for table projects and craft projects like this so that but that's happening all over the world and some of that stuff are these ancient logs that have You know,

00:06:52.000 it's the right conditions where the tree falls over, it just sits there and steeps.

00:06:58.000 You know, that's a big thing for pool cue shafts, lakewood shafts. 0.99

00:07:02.000 They like to take these logs out of the bottom of Lake Michigan or something.

00:07:06.000 Right.

00:07:06.000 And then they dry it all out, and then they make shafts out of it.

00:07:10.000 And there's something about it being in the bottom of the water for so long...

00:07:14.000 It does something to the way they feel.

00:07:17.000 What do you got there, Jamie?

00:07:19.000 That's Ancient Bogwood Artisan Dice.

00:07:22.000 Some Dungeons& Dragons. 0.99

00:07:23.000 Yeah, that's some nerd shit right there, Sonny. 0.99

00:07:26.000 It's super polished up, though. 0.99

00:07:27.000 It looks cool.

00:07:27.000 Are those Dungeons& Dragons Nerds Dice?

00:07:30.000 Sort of, yeah.

00:07:30.000 Nerd Dice?

00:07:30.000 Multi-sided, yeah.

00:07:32.000 16 sides on that.

00:07:33.000 Now, that was only for a game, right?

00:07:36.000 You wouldn't play Dice Dice.

00:07:37.000 Yeah.

00:07:38.000 They use it for all kinds of...

00:07:40.000 They're actually like value holders for the most part.

00:07:43.000 Value holders?

00:07:44.000 What do you mean?

00:07:45.000 Yeah, so like 16...

00:07:46.000 So they count down with the dice and so they have an actual placeholder sitting there that says 16, 15, 20, whatever.

00:07:52.000 Oh, you understand Dungeons& Dragons. 0.99

00:07:53.000 You might be a dork. 0.99

00:07:55.000 Sometimes I'm a dork. 0.99

00:07:58.000 My brother-in-law is Magic the Gathering. 0.99

00:08:01.000 Oh, that's super dork. 0.57

00:08:03.000 That's for people that get kicked out of the Dungeons and Dragons. 0.96

00:08:06.000 It's just a different iteration of chess, really.

00:08:09.000 I mean, it's all strategies.

00:08:11.000 Oh, it's definitely not that.

00:08:12.000 What is this?

00:08:13.000 Oh, that's a beautiful handle.

00:08:15.000 Yeah.

00:08:16.000 Oh, Baring Made.

00:08:17.000 That kid's in Montana.

00:08:19.000 Really good guy.

00:08:20.000 He's a nice kid.

00:08:21.000 Met him a couple years ago in Eugene, actually.

00:08:24.000 They do a knife show there every year in April.

00:08:26.000 So that image that you just showed, Jamie, that's bog oak?

00:08:29.000 That's some other big chunks of it that they pulled out?

00:08:32.000 Wow.

00:08:33.000 Interesting.

00:08:33.000 So there must be a community of you people, these knife-making people.

00:08:38.000 Yeah, there are quite a few people who have started getting into the knife making.

00:08:45.000 The world of knife making.

00:08:48.000 Really, the resurgence of kind of handcrafted, hand-forged knives kind of started back in the 70s.

00:08:56.000 And it stemmed off from, I think it was the Custom Knife Making Association, or, yeah, Custom Knife Makers Association.

00:09:05.000 And then it stemmed off to the ABS, which is the American Bladesmith Society.

00:09:09.000 And that was all about the forged blade and kind of the mission to retain that knowledge and that history and the skills that go into actually taking a piece of metal and forging a blade out of it.

00:09:21.000 Your blades, they were forged to shape.

00:09:26.000 One approach is to just take a bar of steel, trace out a line, cut that out.

00:09:32.000 It's a totally valid way of doing it.

00:09:36.000 The forging aspect, especially if somebody doesn't actually know what they're doing, they're just heating up a piece of steel. 0.54

00:09:43.000 They don't know how fucking hot it is getting.

00:09:45.000 They don't know when to stop hitting it. 0.98

00:09:46.000 They may be hitting it too cold.

00:09:48.000 They may be overheating it and hitting it while it's way too hot. 1.00

00:09:51.000 They could really actually do detrimental damage to the material and turn out a piece of shit. 0.95

00:09:59.000 So the forged aspect really just brings kind of an aesthetic and kind of a depth of story to help bring kind of more to that product. 0.98

00:10:09.000 Well, it's another level, right?

00:10:11.000 Yeah, it's just another layer of it.

00:10:13.000 Yeah, it's not just hand crafting something from a, you know, just a piece of metal that you bought and you put all the pieces together and polished it down and sanded it.

00:10:21.000 When did you get into this?

00:10:23.000 So I, it's kind of a funny story.

00:10:26.000 So I got into this back in 2008 is when I met Bob Kramer.

00:10:31.000 At the time I was working in a restaurant and Actually in my hometown of Olympia.

00:10:36.000 And I was working in a restaurant.

00:10:38.000 I was moonlighting as an assistant salsa dancing instructor and doing like community performances and shit like that.

00:10:47.000 And I was 24 and I didn't know what the hell I was doing with myself and I didn't really have much of a direction in my life. 0.80

00:10:54.000 I was terrible at school.

00:10:56.000 You know, I had maybe 40 credits towards an AA, but I don't even have an actual certification or degree of any kind.

00:11:03.000 So anyways, I was sharing this with my dance partner, and she had just started working for this guy.

00:11:10.000 Who was a knife maker.

00:11:11.000 And she's like, oh, you should meet him.

00:11:13.000 He's really interesting.

00:11:14.000 You know, you kind of feel like you're lost.

00:11:16.000 He's been all over the world.

00:11:18.000 He's even like, he was even a clown at one point.

00:11:20.000 This is Bob Kramer?

00:11:21.000 Yeah. 0.54

00:11:22.000 He used to be a clown?

00:11:23.000 He was a clown, I think, for a year for Ringling, Barnum, and Bailey.

00:11:27.000 Yeah.

00:11:29.000 And from what I understand, it was a great experience and he loved it.

00:11:33.000 But anyways, she's like, you know, I think you guys would hit it off.

00:11:36.000 I think, you know, maybe he could help bestow some wisdom as to where you're at and where he was at and maybe what kind of choices or options you have ahead of you.

00:11:44.000 And so I met up with him at the brew pub that I was actually working at and got some beers, got some fish and chips, sitting bullshitting, and it ended up turning into a job opportunity.

00:11:56.000 I think?

00:12:16.000 And each time, like, there's a huge influx.

00:12:18.000 And so I think in part of anticipation for that, he's like, look, you seem like a nice guy.

00:12:25.000 You don't really seem to have a direction.

00:12:27.000 Maybe we could work something out.

00:12:29.000 I can't make any promises to you that I have full-time work for you.

00:12:33.000 So he just took you on as an apprentice.

00:12:35.000 Essentially.

00:12:36.000 I saw a video with him, with Anthony Bourdain.

00:12:38.000 That's what I found out about him.

00:12:39.000 He was making a knife with meteors.

00:12:42.000 Right.

00:12:43.000 With a piece of meteorite in it as well.

00:12:45.000 Same kind of thing.

00:12:46.000 And I remember thinking, like, wow, how crazy is this?

00:12:49.000 This guy's...

00:12:50.000 Hammering this thing together and putting that, that was like one of the ways that I got interested in custom knife making.

00:12:56.000 Sure.

00:12:56.000 And I'd always had knives, you know, like pocket knives, you know.

00:13:00.000 Right.

00:13:00.000 And I always like kind of thought they were cool and enjoyed them.

00:13:04.000 Yeah.

00:13:04.000 But until I watched that video, I didn't realize that there was a lot of people out there.

00:13:09.000 There it is.

00:13:09.000 Yeah.

00:13:10.000 Him and Anthony.

00:13:11.000 I didn't realize there was a lot of people that are out there doing this from scratch.

00:13:15.000 And then, you know, then I was like, oh, I gotta get a knife.

00:13:18.000 And then I saw your page on Instagram. 1.00

00:13:23.000 And I remember thinking, wow, this guy does some wild shit. 0.96

00:13:26.000 And I don't remember how you and I got to chatting. 0.99

00:13:28.000 I don't remember.

00:13:29.000 I just remember seeing your stuff on Instagram.

00:13:32.000 You reached out to me on email and I was like, Joe Rogan.

00:13:36.000 Was it an email or was it an Instagram message?

00:13:40.000 Oh, actually.

00:13:40.000 Not sure.

00:13:41.000 I think it was an email.

00:13:42.000 Email?

00:13:43.000 Either way.

00:13:43.000 Probably from your website.

00:13:44.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:13:45.000 Oh, you had seen my email in one of our previous conversations somewhere.

00:13:49.000 But I was like, this can't be like the Joe Rogan.

00:13:54.000 And then as the conversation continued on, and I was like, because also your picture for the email is like this goofy picture of you doing like kissy face or something like that. 0.96

00:14:03.000 It's fucking hilarious. 0.95

00:14:04.000 That sounds like me. 0.99

00:14:07.000 And I was like, holy shit, I think this actually might be Joe Rogan. 0.99

00:14:11.000 This is crazy. 0.58

00:14:13.000 But it's doing this craft and doing this work and finding and connecting with people who have an appreciation for the actual work that goes into it and appreciating that value has been, even five years ago, when I first started under my own brand,

00:14:30.000 There's no way I would have thought I'd be sitting here hanging out with you guys.

00:14:33.000 It's kind of been a crazy ride for me.

00:14:35.000 Well, it's a crazy ride for me, too, man.

00:14:37.000 All of it is.

00:14:38.000 Life's crazy.

00:14:39.000 I believe that.

00:14:40.000 But, like I said, I've always had a deep appreciation for artisans, you know, for art.

00:14:46.000 I think your knife making is art.

00:14:49.000 I mean, I really do.

00:14:50.000 Like, look at this.

00:14:51.000 Jamie's pulled up an image from your website.

00:14:54.000 It shows this incredible blade design.

00:14:57.000 Now, this is what I've always wanted to know.

00:14:59.000 Like, is that Damascus steel?

00:15:01.000 Is that what that is?

00:15:02.000 That is Damascus. 0.91

00:15:03.000 And just a quick note, this is actually a post that I did to celebrate another maker.

00:15:09.000 His name's Julian.

00:15:09.000 You can actually kind of see it there on the right margin.

00:15:12.000 But he's a South American kid.

00:15:14.000 He's like 20. The blades that you made that you have here today that you're bringing with you for an auction, the patterns on those things are fucking insane. 0.99

00:15:24.000 How do you do that? 0.79

00:15:25.000 How do you make these...

00:15:27.000 Because it's not just steel.

00:15:29.000 For people that are just listening to this, that one is a great example.

00:15:32.000 I would really love for people who are just listening to just please go spread out, go back to the page, Jamie, so I can see the headline.

00:15:45.000 It's stuck?

00:15:46.000 What do you mean?

00:15:47.000 You can't shrink it?

00:15:47.000 It got zoomed in and it won't zoom out.

00:15:51.000 What happened?

00:15:51.000 I don't know.

00:15:52.000 I did it with the touchpad.

00:15:53.000 What did you...

00:15:53.000 Oh, the touchpad.

00:15:55.000 These goddamn... 0.99

00:15:56.000 We got an old-ass laptop there. 1.00

00:15:59.000 M-A-U-M-A-S... Fire Arts.

00:16:04.000 M-A-S-I. S-I. M-A-U-M-A-S-I Fire Arts.

00:16:10.000 Malmasy Fire Arts.

00:16:11.000 Don't get stuck again.

00:16:12.000 M-A-U. Oh, it's stuck.

00:16:14.000 M-A-U-M-A-S-I Fire Arts.

00:16:18.000 If you go there, that's his page.

00:16:21.000 You'll be able to check it out and order books are closed. 1.00

00:16:24.000 You're fucked. 0.98

00:16:25.000 Yeah, I'm at three years right now and I just kind of like I had to shut it down because it's Kind of at an overwhelming point. 1.00

00:16:34.000 It's a good problem, but it's overwhelming because it's a fucking woman's show. 1.00

00:16:39.000 I can only imagine. 1.00

00:16:39.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:16:40.000 And balancing doing the work with now the marketing and branding, maintaining relevance through social media, and taking the time to create content on top of all of that. 0.93

00:16:50.000 I mean, especially when you're first starting to do it, the content part side of it, it's fucking time consuming. 0.81

00:16:57.000 That's a crazy long waiting list, man. 0.96

00:17:00.000 Three years.

00:17:01.000 Yeah.

00:17:02.000 And realistically, it's actually, at least in the knife-making world, it's not uncommon for people to actually wait longer than that.

00:17:09.000 It's the same thing with the pool cue world.

00:17:11.000 Right?

00:17:12.000 It's the exact same thing.

00:17:13.000 A lot of these famous pool cue manufacturers like Southwest or Sugartree, they have 10-year waiting lists.

00:17:22.000 And it's just because they do it right.

00:17:24.000 It takes a long time.

00:17:25.000 Everything's done by hand.

00:17:27.000 They're highly sought after.

00:17:28.000 And because of that, you could buy a pool cue from a company that makes them through a computerized process.

00:17:35.000 And they're fine.

00:17:36.000 They play really good.

00:17:37.000 Just like a knife that you'd buy from a store that's made by a machine and it's all done mass manufacturing.

00:17:44.000 It'll cut your meat. 1.00

00:17:45.000 It works great.

00:17:46.000 Yeah, it gets the job done.

00:17:47.000 But it doesn't...

00:17:48.000 It's not the same thing.

00:17:50.000 It's crazy.

00:17:51.000 You can feel the difference between a handmade thing and a machine-made thing.

00:17:58.000 It trips me out every time.

00:18:01.000 Well, there's a little something that people leave in things that they make.

00:18:05.000 I mean, there really is.

00:18:06.000 I mean, I think it exists in everything that people make, whether it's clothing or jewelry or furniture or anything.

00:18:12.000 I mean, I think there's a little something that people leave in a thing that they make.

00:18:17.000 There's something you talk about sometimes about how animals inherit, like, passed down through genes, like... 0.97

00:18:24.000 Watch out for this plant and watch out for these predators and shit like that. 0.87

00:18:27.000 Like passing something on like that kind of in a way. 0.99

00:18:30.000 Like where I'm toiling over something like that for, you know, 40 dedicated solid fucking hours. 0.99

00:18:36.000 Right. 0.96

00:18:36.000 Making sure it's as perfect as I possibly can make that thing at this point in my life. 0.96

00:18:42.000 The skills I got.

00:18:44.000 I think there's something to that.

00:18:45.000 I mean, even if it's just...

00:18:48.000 Thought even if you just know when you touch it like if I touch this knife I know that you made this you know when I'm when I'm cutting something with this and I'm cooking I know that you made this so maybe it's just even if it's only in my head it's still it just feels different you know and I I don't know I mean there's there's Rupert Sheldrake who's a I don't know what exactly kind of scientist he is,

00:19:12.000 but he has this bizarre theory, and he's a really interesting guy to talk to, so I would never discount it.

00:19:20.000 He thinks that everything has memory.

00:19:22.000 He thinks you just can't access that memory, but he thinks there's things that have memories.

00:19:26.000 And he thinks that our idea that memory is something that only animals and humans possess is just, it's probably not true.

00:19:35.000 And that's probably one of the reasons why people don't want to buy a house where someone was murdered.

00:19:40.000 You know what I mean?

00:19:41.000 The idea is that a haunted house, even if it's not really a ghost, maybe that home has memories.

00:19:48.000 My dad went to Gettysburg, and he's not woo-woo at all. 0.99

00:19:53.000 He's as fucking... 1.00

00:19:56.000 Straight-laced, across the board, no bullshit as it gets. 1.00

00:19:59.000 And he said, man, you could feel sadness there. 0.99

00:20:03.000 He goes, you just think of how many thousands of people died at Gettysburg.

00:20:07.000 And he said, when you're there, it just feels sad.

00:20:10.000 Like, you feel death there.

00:20:13.000 I don't know if that's real, or if it's maybe the knowledge that you have that there was a war there.

00:20:18.000 I mean, I don't know.

00:20:20.000 I used to do this thing where I would walk through cemeteries, just interested, like, looking at people's names and, like, when did they live and what did people have to say about them or, you know, what's left behind.

00:20:33.000 And just walking through cemeteries. 0.88

00:20:35.000 Like, sometimes I would even do it on Halloween to try to trip my ass out.

00:20:38.000 And it definitely feels weird in there when you're there. 0.89

00:20:43.000 It does.

00:20:43.000 I used to run through cemeteries.

00:20:45.000 I used to run through them because I would want to be reminded that life is short.

00:20:52.000 Get something done.

00:20:53.000 Make something happen.

00:20:55.000 Yeah.

00:20:55.000 All these people that aren't here anymore.

00:20:57.000 But the thing about cemeteries is they're already dead when they get in there.

00:21:00.000 Right. 0.98

00:21:00.000 I think the memory thing is if you're on a boat and someone gets murdered on that boat and you're in the boat and you're fucking freaking out. 0.98

00:21:07.000 Right, right.

00:21:11.000 There's something about things, like if you had a thing, if you had a wallet that Mike Tyson owned, you know what I mean? 0.99

00:21:19.000 You'd hold it, you're like, damn! 0.97

00:21:21.000 You know, there's something to it. 0.99

00:21:23.000 Morphic resonance, okay, that's Rupert Sheldrick's theory.

00:21:28.000 According to a theory developed by Rupert Sheldrake, British biologist, a paranormal influence by which a pattern of events or behavior can facilitate subsequent occurrences of similar patterns.

00:21:38.000 Oh, that's right.

00:21:39.000 That is not about memory.

00:21:43.000 That is his other theory.

00:21:45.000 It's referred to in a lot of other ways about memory is inherent in nature.

00:21:49.000 Yeah.

00:21:50.000 Yeah, I think that's part of it.

00:21:52.000 I think what I was talking about is part of his theory of morphic resonance.

00:21:55.000 But morphic resonance, I think he's...

00:21:58.000 Yeah, it's here.

00:21:59.000 It says that...

00:21:59.000 Hold on.

00:22:00.000 Scroll back.

00:22:01.000 Scroll down.

00:22:01.000 So the process whereby self-organizing systems inherit a memory from previous similar systems.

00:22:07.000 So what he was talking about with morphic resonance was how mice...

00:22:12.000 If they learn, like say if you have a pattern, and there's like cheese at the end of this pattern, and then they go through a maze.

00:22:19.000 If one mouse figures out that pattern, other mouse can figure it out quicker.

00:22:23.000 And there's something, somehow or another, they learn from each other.

00:22:27.000 And when chimpanzees are observed using tools, other chimpanzees on the other side of the world started mimicking that behavior without any interaction with those chimpanzees at all.

00:22:38.000 Wait, what?

00:22:38.000 Yeah.

00:22:39.000 Yeah.

00:22:40.000 Yeah, very strange. 0.99

00:22:41.000 That's like fucking butterfly effect. 0.98

00:22:44.000 Well, it's more intense than butterfly effect because it implies that there's some sort of collective information pool that they're sharing through the ether. 0.99

00:22:55.000 That there's something that they're sharing through some unknown method.

00:23:01.000 That's crazy.

00:23:02.000 Yeah.

00:23:04.000 It's actually been shown that there's something to this.

00:23:11.000 And there's a lot of criticism of it.

00:23:13.000 So if you're one of those people right now that's like a strict materialist and you're screaming out, I get it.

00:23:19.000 I get it.

00:23:20.000 Someone who's a real rationalist who just wants only science, provable.

00:23:24.000 The thing is it is kind of provable because there has been some tests and there's fierce opposition to this, which anything that has like some woo-woo attached to it is going to have some fierce opposition.

00:23:35.000 But Rupert was a really fascinating guy.

00:23:38.000 And he's also a rare scientist.

00:23:41.000 He was Christian, is that what it was?

00:23:46.000 He has a certain level of Christianity that he accepts and adopts because he feels like it's beneficial to him.

00:23:55.000 Very interesting guy.

00:23:56.000 Yeah, that's...

00:24:01.000 Him and...

00:24:02.000 There was a mathematician and Terence McKenna.

00:24:08.000 Who was the other gentleman?

00:24:09.000 It was the Trialogues.

00:24:11.000 They had these fantastic recordings.

00:24:13.000 It was Sheldrake, McKenna, and one other guy.

00:24:17.000 It was also brilliant, and they would go back and forth.

00:24:21.000 They had these...

00:24:22.000 Ralph Abraham.

00:24:24.000 Abrams or Abraham?

00:24:25.000 Abraham.

00:24:26.000 And they did these series of talks, and this is one of the things that came up.

00:24:32.000 Like, McKenna was the most woo-woo, Ralph Abraham was the least woo-woo, and Sheldrick was kind of in the middle.

00:24:39.000 Right.

00:24:40.000 Yeah.

00:24:41.000 Interesting stuff if you're ever hanging around.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:24:44.000 Yeah, the trial logs.

00:24:45.000 There it is.

00:24:46.000 The recordings are still available somewhere.

00:24:48.000 I think our friend Psychedelic Salon, I think Lorenzo has them.

00:24:55.000 Are they available online?

00:24:58.000 Oh, there you go.

00:24:59.000 Bam.

00:24:59.000 Sounds fun.

00:25:00.000 Yeah, they're fucking cool, man. 0.94

00:25:01.000 You can't actually play it. 0.96

00:25:02.000 I don't know why.

00:25:02.000 You can't play it?

00:25:03.000 I don't know.

00:25:04.000 Maybe it was there.

00:25:05.000 I gotta take it down.

00:25:06.000 Yeah, that is the case.

00:25:07.000 Looks like it got removed.

00:25:08.000 Yeah, someone's probably selling it.

00:25:10.000 Yeah.

00:25:10.000 It's really cool, though.

00:25:11.000 You get to see these guys in the 1990s, pre-internet.

00:25:16.000 Was it pre-internet?

00:25:17.000 Might not have been.

00:25:18.000 It might be like 98. I think McKenna died around 2000-ish.

00:25:25.000 He died post- I want to say he died like 2003 or something.

00:25:31.000 When did he die?

00:25:34.000 Why am I asking this?

00:25:37.000 This is all about memory and things. 0.98

00:25:39.000 We went on a fucking deep road off into the woods here. 0.95

00:25:43.000 But anybody who's listening... 0.98

00:25:44.000 2000. So he made it to Y2K and then he kicked the bucket.

00:25:50.000 Anybody who's just interested in really cool conversations, it's something to listen to.

00:25:56.000 Yeah, that sounds very interesting.

00:25:57.000 Yeah, just three super smart dudes kind of debating ideas and bouncing them around off each other.

00:26:01.000 You know what I've actually gotten into recently is listening to old recordings of, like, Alan Watts.

00:26:09.000 Oh, yeah.

00:26:09.000 Oh, he was great.

00:26:10.000 Reading Joseph Campbell.

00:26:12.000 Yeah.

00:26:14.000 I don't know, just absorbing it and trying to figure out what that means to me today in this very different world.

00:26:22.000 Yeah, Watts is a fascinating guy.

00:26:24.000 Plus that accent made him sound so much cooler.

00:26:32.000 Actually, the first time I ever got into a good meditative space was a meditation led by Alan Watts from the 60s, 70s.

00:26:45.000 And just the way he explained it, for me, it was the first time it ever made sense how meditation should work.

00:26:52.000 Don't try to not think of anything, but just accept them that they're there, but also ignore them at the same time.

00:27:00.000 It was weird, and then I just totally felt like I was above myself watching me just sitting there listening to this recording.

00:27:08.000 It was a trip.

00:27:09.000 Well, he's such a heady guy.

00:27:10.000 The sound of his voice and just hearing his thoughts.

00:27:13.000 When you hear a really deep thinker like him, one of the things that it does is kind of gets you into that pattern of thought and you realize like, oh, I can probably kind of sort of think that way too.

00:27:23.000 I just allow myself to be guided by his words and sort of try to pay attention to how he's doing this.

00:27:30.000 Yeah.

00:27:31.000 He was an interesting guy because not just was he a deep thinker, but the influences of those people, it's very different.

00:27:41.000 There's very few recordings even back then for them to listen to.

00:27:45.000 This stuff was based on reading and their education and their actual life experiences.

00:27:53.000 So they were very unique and original.

00:27:56.000 They were really the cornerstones for a lot of these deep philosophical ideas.

00:28:00.000 And so then when you hear an Alan Watts recording today, maybe someone like me or some other people that listen to that, they might share those ideas or reflect on those ideas.

00:28:12.000 But clearly, these are not my ideas.

00:28:14.000 These are ideas that have come from these intense cornerstone people, whether it's McKenna or Alan Watts or something like that. 0.98

00:28:23.000 Do you get a chance while you're, when you're working, do you listen to shit or do you just... 0.99

00:28:27.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:28:28.000 I got all the time to sit and listen.

00:28:30.000 Do you, headphones?

00:28:31.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:28:31.000 Because it seems like it would be loud as fuck. 0.97

00:28:33.000 Yeah, so I just got a hold of these, like, Bluetooth head, like, earbuds. 0.97

00:28:37.000 Mm-hmm.

00:28:37.000 And they have, like, this memory phone.

00:28:39.000 So they, uh, memory foam earbud, like, tips.

00:28:42.000 So it helps reduce the amount of noise that's actually coming in, so it helps protect it in that way, just kind of in general, like a normal inner earplug would work.

00:28:52.000 But also, because it's reducing the amount of noise that's getting in, you can also listen at a lower volume, so you're not blowing out your ears to be able to hear whatever you're listening to, like you would through normal earbuds.

00:29:04.000 Right, because it's so loud in your shop.

00:29:06.000 Yeah, so much noise.

00:29:08.000 Whenever I'm working...

00:29:10.000 Especially if somebody happens to pop by the shop and they want to see, and they're just curious.

00:29:14.000 And so we have stuff going on or we can heat some steel up real quick and do a quick demonstration.

00:29:18.000 Usually I don't take the time to throw all that stuff in.

00:29:22.000 It is so loud.

00:29:23.000 I actually feel like my hearing has become more sensitive since I started making knives than it was before.

00:29:30.000 It's probably your ears getting beat up.

00:29:32.000 Do you always have earplugs in?

00:29:34.000 I always have hearing protection in.

00:29:36.000 So my hearing is always protected.

00:29:38.000 So I feel like it's become more sensitive.

00:29:40.000 I have a better sense of hearing.

00:29:42.000 I don't know if that's possible to get your hearing back or whatever.

00:29:46.000 Maybe you're protecting it.

00:29:47.000 It's doing better because of that.

00:29:49.000 Yeah.

00:29:49.000 I hear a lot of things.

00:29:52.000 All the things it feels like whenever I take my hearing or your hearing protection out, I'll be at home or something. 0.99

00:29:58.000 And I'm like, what the fuck is that noise? 0.99

00:30:00.000 And my wife looks at me like I'm fucking crazy. 1.00

00:30:03.000 I wonder if that's the case. 0.88

00:30:04.000 I wonder if like, maybe if like, you know, people don't use their hands and then the hands get soft.

00:30:10.000 I don't know.

00:30:12.000 You can't gain it back.

00:30:15.000 But you might be protecting it longer.

00:30:17.000 And since you have a sensitivity issue, maybe since it's quieter all day. 0.75

00:30:21.000 So if you blow it out from like concerts and shit like that, that's it? 0.92

00:30:24.000 All you can do is get a hearing aid. 0.86

00:30:26.000 What about the little hairs that pick up the vibration?

00:30:29.000 Because it's literally what you're hearing with is like a hair follicle.

00:30:34.000 It's vibrating. 1.00

00:30:36.000 And you blow that shit out. 0.99

00:30:37.000 They haven't synthetically made those yet. 1.00

00:30:39.000 Damn, man. 0.99

00:30:40.000 I feel so bad for those old rock stars that didn't know any better. 1.00

00:30:43.000 And now they're just fucking... 0.99

00:30:45.000 Huey Lewis. 0.98

00:30:46.000 What's happened to him?

00:30:47.000 Huey Lewis?

00:30:48.000 He can't play anymore.

00:30:48.000 All of a sudden.

00:30:49.000 That's the Lord's work.

00:30:51.000 Just kidding.

00:30:52.000 Just kidding, Huey.

00:30:54.000 Tip to be square.

00:30:56.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

00:30:56.000 It's fucked up. 0.99

00:30:57.000 The dude from ACDC. Who else? 1.00

00:31:00.000 Angus Young.

00:31:01.000 Yeah, Angus is gone deaf.

00:31:02.000 Oh, Jesus.

00:31:03.000 Really?

00:31:03.000 Yeah.

00:31:03.000 Fucking everybody's going deaf.

00:31:06.000 They also probably didn't protect themselves like you should have. 1.00

00:31:09.000 Nobody knew any better back then.

00:31:10.000 Have you ever seen that documentary?

00:31:12.000 It's an older one.

00:31:13.000 Well, older one.

00:31:14.000 It was from the early 2000s.

00:31:16.000 But this woman, she progressively got deafer and deafer as she grew older until, I think, in high school or something. 1.00

00:31:24.000 She was practically completely deaf.

00:31:26.000 But she's a percussionist. 1.00

00:31:27.000 And she's a world-renowned percussionist.

00:31:31.000 There's this awesome documentary.

00:31:33.000 It's called Touch the Sound.

00:31:35.000 And she hears through her body, which trips me out, but the tones that she's able to achieve, the control she has over everything, whatever kind of instrument she's playing, it's an awesome documentary.

00:31:50.000 Wow.

00:31:50.000 But she has almost literally no hearing.

00:31:53.000 She hears everything through her body.

00:31:55.000 Dude. 0.99

00:31:56.000 So it's kind of interesting to think, like, if Angus could figure that shit out, then... 1.00

00:32:01.000 I mean, he's holding the fucking thing in his hand the whole time. 0.99

00:32:04.000 He's standing in front of... 0.99

00:32:05.000 It's not just Angus, the lead singer.

00:32:07.000 Right, right, right.

00:32:07.000 What's the lead singer's name?

00:32:09.000 Fuck's his name. 1.00

00:32:10.000 Second lead singer. 1.00

00:32:13.000 Brian Johnson.

00:32:14.000 Brian Johnson.

00:32:15.000 I'll never forget that.

00:32:17.000 He's gone deaf, too.

00:32:19.000 Angus and Brian.

00:32:20.000 And Angus is like always headbanging.

00:32:23.000 What kind of CTE does that guy have?

00:32:25.000 Oh, Jesus. 1.00

00:32:26.000 I mean, fucking Christ. 1.00

00:32:27.000 You shouldn't be doing that. 1.00

00:32:29.000 God, you were talking to DDB about that the other day?

00:32:32.000 Yeah.

00:32:33.000 I was thinking like all through high school.

00:32:35.000 Like I played football from seventh grade all through high school. 0.99

00:32:39.000 And, like, all the stuff they're learning now, I'm just like, Jesus, what the fuck was happening to me? 0.98

00:32:44.000 And we always led with our head. 0.98

00:32:47.000 Of course, yeah. 0.99

00:32:48.000 My neck was always all kinds of fucked up. 0.96

00:32:51.000 And, you know, I definitely had some serious concussions. 0.98

00:32:55.000 I'm sure.

00:32:56.000 And, yeah.

00:32:58.000 Sometimes it scares me and worries me a little bit, like, what does that mean for me now?

00:33:02.000 It should.

00:33:03.000 How old are you now?

00:33:04.000 34. Yeah, man.

00:33:05.000 Just turned 34. It's scary.

00:33:08.000 You're lucky you stopped when you did.

00:33:09.000 I know a lot of people with brain damage.

00:33:13.000 Me too.

00:33:14.000 I'm sure I have some.

00:33:15.000 I guarantee.

00:33:16.000 I must.

00:33:17.000 I mean, I don't think anybody rides for free.

00:33:19.000 I think you get hit in the head enough, you got some brain damage.

00:33:23.000 I got hit in the head on a regular basis for most of my younger years.

00:33:31.000 From like 15 to like 22. I got hit in the head all the time.

00:33:37.000 Nobody knew any better.

00:33:39.000 And back then, you thought that once you were slurring your words and stuff, if you just stopped...

00:33:47.000 Like, oh, he's a little punchy, he should stop.

00:33:49.000 Right.

00:33:50.000 Like, that's how people thought.

00:33:51.000 But they didn't realize that it's regressive.

00:33:52.000 And then, like, you don't even really show brain damage, like, ten years after the initial injuries.

00:33:58.000 Right.

00:33:58.000 That's when you really start showing damage.

00:34:01.000 So some CTE just compounds it until it just becomes unmanageable for these poor people.

00:34:07.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 Yeah.

00:34:08.000 Well, and it's...

00:34:09.000 I actually...

00:34:09.000 I can't...

00:34:10.000 Especially after watching Concussion and seeing and reading, like, articles about the real-life people that this shit's happened to, I, like... 0.96

00:34:17.000 I have a hard time watching football. 0.94

00:34:19.000 Like, I used to watch football all the time.

00:34:21.000 I've never been, like, crazy into sports knowing all the stats and every stuff.

00:34:25.000 I enjoyed watching, like, a good contest.

00:34:26.000 I never really rooted for anybody.

00:34:28.000 But now when I see, like, even kids signing the draft...

00:34:32.000 Or signing up from high school to go to a certain college. 1.00

00:34:35.000 I'm like, man, that's somebody's fucking baby. 1.00

00:34:37.000 They're just fucking tearing themselves up. 1.00

00:34:39.000 Like, is that worth it? 0.99

00:34:41.000 Is that worth it?

00:34:42.000 I would support kids fighting way before I would support kids Doing football and both of them I'd be nervous about and you know, I mean there's other stuff like X Games type shit people that are into extreme sports and you know people that are into snowboarding snowboarders wipe out all the time and crack their head open Can you get a scholarship in martial arts of any kind like college just wrestling?

00:35:08.000 I mean, that's like a big that's a big driver right there though, right?

00:35:11.000 Wrestling that's where the money wrestling is certainly a martial art.

00:35:13.000 It's probably one of the most important martial arts.

00:35:15.000 That's probably it, right?

00:35:16.000 Yeah, that's it.

00:35:17.000 I mean, judo, maybe?

00:35:19.000 Is there a school that has judo?

00:35:20.000 They used to have boxing in schools. 0.98

00:35:22.000 I mean, back in the 50s and 60s and shit, boxing was a legitimate sport in college. 0.94

00:35:28.000 But not anymore. 0.95

00:35:29.000 Yeah.

00:35:30.000 Yeah, it just...

00:35:31.000 I can't really watch it anymore. 0.99

00:35:34.000 I mean, you have to be careful, like, with your hand-eye coordination and your fingers and shit now. 0.99

00:35:39.000 Oh, Jesus. 0.98

00:35:39.000 You know, I mean, you got to think, like, when you're working with hammers and hot metal, and you must always have to be super... 0.98

00:35:49.000 Because everybody that works in a machine shop is missing a fingertip or something's fucked up.

00:35:53.000 There's crazy stories, too. 0.63

00:35:55.000 Like, buffer, the buffer...

00:35:57.000 Like the fluffy little things, like one of the most dangerous things because it catches an edge.

00:36:02.000 Just like if you're snowboarding, you catch a bad edge.

00:36:04.000 And it bites, the blade bites into that and it acts as a hand and just rips it and flings it wherever. 1.00

00:36:13.000 It's thrown knives right back into guys and fucking killed them. 1.00

00:36:16.000 Oh, fuck, man. 1.00

00:36:17.000 My wife probably hating me saying that right now. 1.00

00:36:21.000 But it's a reality.

00:36:22.000 I've actually done a lot of work to get away from using buffers because of that.

00:36:26.000 And I'm still doing great work. 0.98

00:36:29.000 I have a lot of friends who just, they'll never touch a fucking buffer. 0.99

00:36:33.000 Wow. 0.99

00:36:33.000 Because it's just terrifying. 0.99

00:36:34.000 It's scary.

00:36:35.000 What does a buffer look like for people who don't know?

00:36:36.000 It takes half a second.

00:36:37.000 Put up, like, what would you call it?

00:36:39.000 Like a buffing... 1.00

00:36:42.000 Shit, I don't know. 1.00

00:36:43.000 Usually it's like a bench top thing, like a bench grinder. 0.99

00:36:47.000 Usually it has like the hard, round stone wheel on one side.

00:36:51.000 Is that it?

00:36:51.000 That's it right there.

00:36:52.000 Those motherfuckers, yeah. 1.00

00:36:54.000 Oh, don't, it's not one fucking... 1.00

00:36:55.000 No, no, it's just gonna go. 0.98

00:36:56.000 It's not a...

00:36:57.000 Make me nervous.

00:36:59.000 Yeah, that looks like something. 1.00

00:37:01.000 So if you fucked up and you got that blade too close, it would kick it and then... 0.99

00:37:05.000 So that one is what's called a sizal wheel. 0.99

00:37:08.000 So it's made from that type of rope.

00:37:11.000 But the ones that are the most dangerous are the softer cotton wheels because they want to grab that much easier.

00:37:18.000 They have more give.

00:37:20.000 But yeah, and what's interesting is I've actually been cut less.

00:37:26.000 Working in a metal shop and burned less than I ever did working in kitchens.

00:37:32.000 I worked in restaurants, back of house, for seven years, collectively.

00:37:37.000 Most of that has to do with other people not calling, like, hot coming across, and I turn around.

00:37:43.000 They don't call it.

00:37:44.000 I turn around. 0.99

00:37:45.000 They're there with this fucking saute pan right in the side of my arm. 0.99

00:37:48.000 I'm ready to fucking drop it. 1.00

00:37:50.000 Right. 0.99

00:37:51.000 But being in a metal shop, like you said, you do have to pay so much attention. 0.99

00:37:56.000 You have to be focused at what you're doing because literally everything in that fucking shop wants to hurt you or kill you the second you're not paying attention. 0.99

00:38:05.000 Because the second you're not paying attention, it's going to grab you. 0.99

00:38:08.000 There are horror stories of people working next to machines, and they have long hair, it's caught in a motor, and it just fucking... 0.98

00:38:15.000 Rips it. 0.98

00:38:16.000 Scalps, like, just straight.

00:38:20.000 Terrible stuff.

00:38:21.000 Terrible stuff.

00:38:22.000 UFC fighter and the power tool last week. 1.00

00:38:23.000 Oh, yeah, he got a power tool stuck in his balls. 0.99

00:38:26.000 Who was that? 0.99

00:38:27.000 Don't remember his name. 1.00

00:38:28.000 Yeah, poor bastard. 0.99

00:38:31.000 Brian Wilson claims that he lost his hearing due to not putting in earplugs at a car race, not music. 0.99

00:38:40.000 Specifically.

00:38:41.000 There was a quote.

00:38:42.000 Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys?

00:38:44.000 Brian Wilson from the Beach Boys.

00:38:46.000 I'm sorry.

00:38:47.000 This article has him at the top.

00:38:49.000 Brian Johnson.

00:38:50.000 Oh, Brian Johnson from Cars?

00:38:53.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:38:53.000 Well, how the fuck does he know? 0.99

00:38:55.000 Motherfuckers in ACDC. I mean, wouldn't you think that'd be loud too, bro? 1.00

00:38:59.000 Yeah.

00:38:59.000 Angus Young says that he lost a little bit, but his quote says that he never really had a problem with it because that's why he was running around on stage so much, too.

00:39:07.000 He's never in one place so long.

00:39:09.000 What? 1.00

00:39:10.000 Just the fucking loudness of a room. 1.00

00:39:12.000 That's hilarious. 0.99

00:39:14.000 First concert I ever saw on ACDC. ACDC? I wonder if people are more susceptible, just like some people are more susceptible to CTE. Yeah, I remember Rhonda Patrick was talking about certain genes that you have.

00:39:26.000 What is it?

00:39:27.000 Apropos?

00:39:28.000 I forget what it was called.

00:39:29.000 But whatever genes that make you more susceptible and more likely to get CTE from concussions.

00:39:35.000 Probably.

00:39:36.000 Probably would have to be something.

00:39:37.000 Probably.

00:39:38.000 Makes sense.

00:39:40.000 Now, when you're in that shop and you're doing all this grinding, is there any concern about chemicals?

00:39:48.000 Like, is there chemical ingestion or smells in the air or something like that?

00:39:51.000 Because you're dipping things and you've got all this stuff that you're using.

00:39:55.000 Yeah, especially if you're working with synthetic.

00:39:57.000 I mean, any material that you're grinding, you're making it...

00:40:02.000 It's airborne.

00:40:03.000 Like, any of it can go into your lungs.

00:40:05.000 I'm almost always wearing a respirator.

00:40:08.000 Oh, wow.

00:40:09.000 Especially when I'm grinding.

00:40:11.000 And it's like double can, always like covering up my face.

00:40:14.000 Does it work?

00:40:15.000 Does the respirator filter out all of it?

00:40:16.000 It makes a huge difference.

00:40:17.000 In fact, where I have my facial hair right now, even this little bit, what you got even, that little bit, is enough to...

00:40:25.000 Create a little gap and I can get through that so you have to shave your face smooth.

00:40:28.000 Yeah, usually I keep it pretty well. 0.98

00:40:30.000 Now, how the fuck do you create those patterns? 0.94

00:40:33.000 Like Damascus steel? 0.97

00:40:35.000 What is that?

00:40:36.000 This doesn't have too much of a pattern?

00:40:37.000 That one's not Damascus steel, unfortunately.

00:40:40.000 It's beautiful, though.

00:40:41.000 Now, what does create those patterns?

00:40:44.000 Like that.

00:40:44.000 There you go.

00:40:44.000 How do you do that?

00:40:45.000 We're looking at a crazy image that looks like...

00:40:47.000 It almost looks like someone drew on it.

00:40:50.000 Yeah.

00:40:50.000 This is a pattern I just came up with recently.

00:40:53.000 I call it a braid mosaic, for lack of a better term.

00:40:57.000 But it just looks like a braid, and it's something I've been wanting to create, and I finally figured it out.

00:41:04.000 So essentially, to create pattern-welded Damascus, First off, Damascus is kind of a blanket, has become a blanket term.

00:41:13.000 Traditionally and originally, it actually referred to the steel that, like the type of steel that your knife, this knife, the meteorite knife, is made from.

00:41:21.000 And it eventually became a blanket term for all kinds of kind of patterned steel in general, whether it's, it curls naturally or if it's kind of forced and created the way that braid pattern was made.

00:41:34.000 So that's pattern welded steel.

00:41:36.000 And so you have to start with at least two different types of high carbon steel.

00:41:41.000 Ideally, steels that heat treat in a similar range, when you heat them up and squish on them, they move at a similar rate.

00:41:50.000 And so most commonly, people are working with 1080 and 15 and 20. Those are just codes for two different types of high carbon steel.

00:41:58.000 But essentially, you bring them up to a high temperature.

00:42:02.000 You squish them either under a big hammer or under a press.

00:42:06.000 You can even actually do it by hand, but you have to do kind of a smaller billet to create the patterns and get it to stick.

00:42:12.000 Because the trick is really getting them close, evenly squishing it out.

00:42:18.000 And it's like if you've ever rolled out dough or anybody who's ever made pastry dough like you would use in a croissant.

00:42:26.000 You tear open a croissant, you see all those layers in there.

00:42:29.000 And that's from...

00:42:30.000 A piece of dough being rolled out, full of dough, rolled out. 0.96

00:42:33.000 And so it's kind of the same fucking thing, but with metal. 0.92

00:42:36.000 But you have to have the kind of the right kind of temperature environment. 0.94

00:42:42.000 You want as little oxygen in there as possible because the oxygen creates carbon or not carbon, but iron oxide that kind of is detrimental to creating solid weld bonds.

00:42:55.000 And there are different ways to achieve that.

00:42:59.000 The 1080 is the black steel, the black color, and the 15 and 20 is the silver color.

00:43:05.000 What's the difference in the way those steels perform?

00:43:07.000 Is one of them harder or more durable?

00:43:09.000 They pretty much perform almost exactly the same.

00:43:15.000 In fact, chemically speaking, they're almost exactly the same, except for the 15 and 20 has a high level of nickel in it, 0.2% by weight.

00:43:27.000 And so that steel is traditionally used in saw blades, especially large, big mill band saws.

00:43:34.000 You know, like in Oregon, one of the oldest and continuously running wood saw mill is still there doing its thing with these giant band saw blades that are like 30 feet in circumference,

00:43:50.000 and they're like foot wide, and they're just monsters.

00:43:55.000 Foot wide?

00:43:56.000 You mean like thick?

00:43:57.000 No, no, no.

00:43:58.000 They're only like maybe a sixteenth of an inch thick because you want a narrow saw curve so you're not wasting material.

00:44:04.000 But they're wide to help prevent deflection, to keep it from kind of twisting off.

00:44:09.000 So it's a band saw.

00:44:09.000 I'm thinking of a circular saw for some reason.

00:44:11.000 Sorry, yeah, band saw.

00:44:12.000 So the circular saw, those saw curves are usually probably around an eighth of an inch to a quarter of an inch thick, but it's the same kind of idea. 0.98

00:44:21.000 Is that they're trimming down these giant logs so they need a big fucking saw. 0.98

00:44:26.000 Those things bind and break, man. 1.00

00:44:29.000 That must be a fucking nightmare. 1.00

00:44:31.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:44:31.000 That's gotta be so terrible. 1.00

00:44:32.000 You don't want to be standing right there when that happens.

00:44:34.000 Have you seen an original samurai sword?

00:44:36.000 I've seen a few, actually.

00:44:38.000 This one's from the 1500s. 0.99

00:44:39.000 Check this shit out. 0.99

00:44:40.000 Yeah, let's see it. 1.00

00:44:42.000 Oh, shit. 0.99

00:44:42.000 This is the one that Mr. Neil deGrasse Tyson was posing with the other day. 0.99

00:44:48.000 Yeah.

00:44:49.000 That's a real one.

00:44:51.000 That's an actual real samurai sword.

00:44:53.000 Right, right.

00:44:54.000 From the 1500s.

00:44:55.000 Yeah, see the ray skins.

00:44:56.000 Nice.

00:44:58.000 Do you know when it was made exactly?

00:45:01.000 I don't think they know.

00:45:02.000 They just know it's from some time period in the 1500s.

00:45:05.000 Sure, sure, sure.

00:45:07.000 But there's a certificate of authentication that came with it that explains...

00:45:13.000 I'm just looking to see what the homone activity looks like.

00:45:16.000 What's that mean?

00:45:16.000 So the homone is...

00:45:18.000 You can kind of see this line that runs parallel to the cutting edge.

00:45:25.000 And that usually indicates where the soft material stops and the hard material starts.

00:45:33.000 And so the idea with these kind of...

00:45:35.000 The challenge with any knife...

00:45:38.000 Is making a knife that takes and holds a sharp edge for a good period of time.

00:45:44.000 What's the key to that?

00:45:45.000 But it's also tough, which means you can drop it and it's not going to break.

00:45:50.000 So if you wanted a hunting knife or something like that.

00:45:53.000 So a hunting knife, a motion knife, a bowing knife, those are harder working knives, so you want to actually bring that hardness down. 0.55

00:46:00.000 You don't have to bring it down a ton, but just a few points will make a huge fucking difference in how it performs.

00:46:06.000 Like this knife here. 0.89

00:46:06.000 Yeah, exactly. 0.89

00:46:07.000 What's the difference in the way that knife is made and this knife is made?

00:46:11.000 So they were heat treated the same, so they were brought up to like 1500 degrees.

00:46:17.000 For people who are listening, not watching, one of these knives is a hunting knife.

00:46:23.000 How's that feel, by the way?

00:46:24.000 It's great, man.

00:46:25.000 I love it.

00:46:26.000 Yeah.

00:46:26.000 Nice.

00:46:28.000 But it's made very similarly.

00:46:31.000 If you look into the video of it, the handle's the same, and it looks very similar.

00:46:37.000 It has a different knife guard, though.

00:46:39.000 It's pretty cool.

00:46:41.000 What's that?

00:46:42.000 What's that?

00:46:42.000 There you go.

00:46:44.000 Yeah, the guard keeps your hand from sliding up.

00:46:47.000 Yeah, and I like the way you made the handle, too.

00:46:49.000 It's an interesting handle.

00:46:50.000 It's curved and everything.

00:46:51.000 Yeah.

00:46:52.000 Where'd you get that pattern for, like, the handle?

00:46:55.000 Yeah, so...

00:46:56.000 I'm sorry, answer the first question.

00:46:57.000 I'm sorry.

00:46:58.000 I don't remember what the first question is.

00:46:59.000 Like, what is the difference in the way they're treated?

00:47:01.000 Okay, yeah, yeah.

00:47:02.000 So they were hardened.

00:47:03.000 So heat treating, the whole process, is essentially heating up the steel, make it hard, and then you put it back into heat, but a much lower temperature to kind of toughen it up.

00:47:16.000 And so you're pulling some of that hardness back.

00:47:18.000 So they were hardened the same way, but they were tempered at different temperatures because...

00:47:24.000 One is a hard use knife while the chef's knife is not a hard use knife.

00:47:27.000 What is the difference between temper and what does that mean?

00:47:31.000 So the tempering, so essentially, so I harden it.

00:47:34.000 So I bring it up to 1500 degrees, which is like a dull glowing orange color.

00:47:41.000 And then I dip it in a special oil that I have that's It's designed for quenching materials, not just in knife making, but all kinds of different industrial applications.

00:47:52.000 Quenching materials?

00:47:53.000 Oil, sorry, quenching oil.

00:47:55.000 What does that mean?

00:47:55.000 So that's cooling this hot steel down in a very short period of time.

00:48:00.000 And you do it in oil.

00:48:01.000 So is it a cold oil?

00:48:03.000 No.

00:48:04.000 So actually, depending on how the steel needs to be heat treated, you actually want to heat up the oil so that it's thinner.

00:48:13.000 And it also, there's this thing that's called a vapor jacket.

00:48:17.000 So if you've ever, like, been next to a wood-burning stove and you drop a little water on it and you see that bead water dance around on there, the same thing happens on the surface of the blade, except for the blade is the source of the heat, right?

00:48:30.000 Yeah.

00:48:30.000 You put it in that oil, all that oil is dancing around on it.

00:48:34.000 So when the oil is thinner, it's not as large of a jacket because when that jacket is large, so jacket encasing that steel while it's trying to cool down, it actually kind of acts as an insulator and could potentially ruin.

00:48:51.000 So not only do you put it in the oil, but you want to agitate it to kind of break up that jacket.

00:48:57.000 So it doesn't get a chance to just sit there and all the way around the blade.

00:49:02.000 And if it was cold, it would...

00:49:05.000 It would be thicker, and so it would make a larger jacket, actually.

00:49:10.000 And also, it probably wouldn't be as efficient, I guess, in cooling the steel down.

00:49:16.000 Because ideally, for most steels, you want to cool them down pretty much as quickly as you possibly can.

00:49:22.000 So this knife...

00:49:23.000 Sorry, keep going.

00:49:25.000 I was just going to say, you essentially have, depending on what kind of steel you're working with, you have anywhere from half a second to five seconds to get it from 1,500 degrees or sometimes higher to below 800 degrees.

00:49:43.000 So this knife would be more durable, is that what it is, than this knife?

00:49:46.000 Durable.

00:49:47.000 Yeah, tougher.

00:49:48.000 So in knife making, commonly referred to it as being tougher.

00:49:52.000 So it can withstand coming into impact with bone.

00:49:55.000 You could chop with that thing a lot more efficiently with a tougher knife.

00:50:00.000 Because this hasn't been tempered at as high of a temperature, it's much harder than this one.

00:50:08.000 Even though it's a few points, those few points make a big difference.

00:50:12.000 And so if you were to take this out into the woods, try to do the same job as this one.

00:50:15.000 It wouldn't necessarily snap, but parts of the cutting edge would blow out.

00:50:22.000 Probably blow out in chips.

00:50:24.000 I actually recently just, from time to time, it's good practice as a knife maker. 0.98

00:50:29.000 To make sure that you're still doing your heat treating stuff alright, I take a knife and I just beat the shit out of it. 0.96

00:50:35.000 First I chopped through some wood and then I actually took it to an antler and beat the shit out of it too.

00:50:39.000 And it is amazing that if you're doing things right, you know, ten thousandths of an inch is enough to withstand impact of chopping through wood pretty well.

00:50:53.000 Of course, unless you're coming into contact with a nail or super dense knots.

00:50:58.000 That's crazy because it's so thin.

00:51:00.000 Right.

00:51:01.000 That's one of the more interesting things about this.

00:51:02.000 And that's actually on the thicker side.

00:51:03.000 This is on the thicker side?

00:51:04.000 Especially along the cutting edge.

00:51:06.000 That's probably twice as thick as it actually needs to be.

00:51:10.000 Wow.

00:51:10.000 Which is crazy.

00:51:11.000 But it just comes down to the material.

00:51:13.000 Mm-hmm.

00:51:15.000 A lot of people mistakenly think steel is steel is steel and whatever.

00:51:20.000 But they're not.

00:51:21.000 Steel is made for many different applications and they're actually very specifically designed for those applications.

00:51:27.000 So like a structural steel, this kind of stuff that buildings are built out of, very different from this.

00:51:34.000 It doesn't have very much carbon in it at all.

00:51:37.000 The carbon is what helps make these really hard.

00:51:41.000 So lacking that carbon... 0.98

00:51:44.000 It allows it to be way tougher, so you can bend it all fucking day long. 0.96

00:51:48.000 It's not going to snap. 0.95

00:51:49.000 Exactly.

00:51:50.000 Right.

00:51:50.000 So that's why you want it for buildings in LA where the earthquakes hit.

00:51:53.000 Yeah.

00:51:54.000 They wiggle a little bit.

00:51:55.000 Yeah.

00:51:57.000 This is much thinner than a lot of other hunting knives would be, which is interesting.

00:52:05.000 With your use of this exotic metal and your methods, you're able to do that.

00:52:13.000 Well, and also part of the reason that you're able to do that is because it's high carbon steel, which means it has a high volume of carbon comparatively than other kinds of tool or cutlery steel.

00:52:26.000 And what's the benefit of high carbon versus less carbon?

00:52:29.000 So high carbon allows you to, especially for the meteorite steel, it's a kind of crucible steel called woots.

00:52:37.000 And so the patterning you see in there is actually strands of carbon or carbide material.

00:52:45.000 So all the extra carbon floating around in the iron matrix of this steel...

00:52:53.000 It jumps onto these bands called carbides and there are different elements and vanadium is one of the elements in this steel that draws that carbon in.

00:53:03.000 So what you're seeing are thousands and thousands of all these ultra hard carbon bands floating around through the Iron Matrix.

00:53:11.000 Do you watch Game of Thrones?

00:53:13.000 I do.

00:53:14.000 When they have like swords that are made out of valerian steel, do you get pissed off? 1.00

00:53:17.000 Get the fuck out of here with your fake magic steel, bitch. 1.00

00:53:21.000 Well, and what's interesting, back in the day, this shit was fucking magical. 1.00

00:53:26.000 Right. 1.00

00:53:27.000 Like they didn't understand what was going on.

00:53:29.000 Now, how did they learn?

00:53:30.000 I mean, what is the history?

00:53:31.000 I mean, obviously that sword there is from the 1500s, but, you know, from back in the Roman gladiator days.

00:53:38.000 And I mean, how did they understand how to do this?

00:53:41.000 So the steel that they were using in Europe was not really that great. 0.99

00:53:45.000 Who had the best shit? 1.00

00:53:46.000 Japanese. 1.00

00:53:47.000 Swedish were pretty fucking good. 0.98

00:53:49.000 As well as the Persians and the Indonesians. 0.97

00:53:53.000 Vikings material wasn't the greatest.

00:53:56.000 Wasn't?

00:53:56.000 Too barbaric.

00:53:58.000 No, it comes down to what they had available to them.

00:54:02.000 Right.

00:54:03.000 So, who was, like, the pioneer of, like, really durable, badass sword material?

00:54:09.000 Was it Japanese?

00:54:11.000 So, probably...

00:54:12.000 So, the Japanese and the Persian slash Indonesian... 0.99

00:54:17.000 Persians.

00:54:18.000 ...swords are probably the most legendary.

00:54:21.000 Really? 0.88

00:54:21.000 You know, they're the ones where, like, it could cut through silk floating in the air and shit like that. 0.88

00:54:26.000 Why is that? 0.78

00:54:27.000 What did they do different?

00:54:28.000 So the Persian steel is very, very, very similar to these meteorites.

00:54:37.000 So it's called a crucible steel.

00:54:40.000 So essentially there's this clay jar essentially called a crucible.

00:54:44.000 People melt all kinds of stuff in it.

00:54:46.000 But you can melt steel in it as well.

00:54:49.000 And so they were making these ingots of crucible steel and then forging them out.

00:54:54.000 And they really, really, very heavily relied on these carbide bands floating through the material because, unfortunately, they didn't really have a very advanced way of quenching that steel so that not only did they have the bands,

00:55:09.000 but they also had hard iron matrix as well that those bands were floating in.

00:55:14.000 So they really relied on that banding.

00:55:16.000 So did they just learn from trial and error of thousands of years of experimenting with different materials and different locations that they got the iron from and different things that they added to it to make steel?

00:55:29.000 Yep, absolutely.

00:55:30.000 And that's why even watching Game of Thrones or other kind of medieval or movie set in medieval times, there were very specific makers who were the best. 0.99

00:55:41.000 Who could really make this shit happen? 0.95

00:55:43.000 And it's because they had a tradition passed down to them. 0.99

00:55:47.000 And a lot of that stuff was very fictional, but in the real world, that was the same thing. 0.94

00:55:55.000 You had very specific lineages of people who had essentially the most advanced technology and skills and techniques for creating the most highest performing weaponry essentially of the time, which was like the currency of the fucking time.

00:56:11.000 Somebody went to Japan fairly recently and filmed them working with a high-level sword maker for a television show.

00:56:22.000 I'm trying to remember who it was.

00:56:23.000 It was somewhat famous, but it was really badass.

00:56:27.000 They went to this sword maker shop, and he's doing the whole thing, hammering it all out and building the samurai sword from scratch the way it's always been.

00:56:39.000 Yeah, there are a few of those documentaries on YouTube.

00:56:45.000 Usually you've got to do a little bit of digging to find them.

00:56:49.000 I actually just watched a few of them in the last five years.

00:56:53.000 I do not recall what they're made.

00:56:55.000 Do you think you're going to make a samurai sword one of these days?

00:56:57.000 I might do it eventually.

00:56:59.000 I mean, I'm always going to do chef's knives because that's what I know.

00:57:03.000 That's the tool I know the most.

00:57:04.000 That's probably the biggest thing.

00:57:06.000 Like, market, right?

00:57:07.000 There's a giant, I mean...

00:57:08.000 People are super foodies, you know?

00:57:10.000 Well, it's not only that, like, but if you think about it, like...

00:57:13.000 Mamasi made this, made out of a meteor. 0.99

00:57:16.000 You know, there's a lot of mystique around Japanese swords, or even the American bowie knife, as well as, you know, Viking swords. 0.96

00:57:26.000 But nowadays, people have that shit made, but it goes on a wall. 0.89

00:57:31.000 The things that are really getting used are like a hunting knife and a chef's knife. 0.99

00:57:34.000 And cooking knives are used almost literally in every single household around the world every day, year-round. 0.98

00:57:44.000 And what's interesting is because of its ubiquity to our everyday life, it lacks that mystique because we see this shit every day. 0.98

00:57:54.000 We don't think much of it versus a Japanese sword. 1.00

00:57:56.000 People walk in here and they're like, fuck! 1.00

00:57:58.000 Well, I tell you one thing, man. 1.00

00:58:00.000 When people come over my house and I'm cooking and they go, where the fuck did you get that knife? 0.99

00:58:04.000 That happens all the time. 0.99

00:58:06.000 It's either this one or the other one.

00:58:08.000 When I show them the bog oak one, the same thing, they're like, dude.

00:58:12.000 I'm like, yeah, man.

00:58:14.000 Check it out.

00:58:14.000 Now, in terms of, like, this one or the other one that you made me, the other hunting knife that you made me out of Damascus, which one is, like, tougher or more durable?

00:58:24.000 So, they've been heat-treated to perform very, very, very similarly.

00:58:29.000 You'd essentially have to destroy them to really determine which one outperform the other.

00:58:35.000 So, you'd have to stick it in a bone and try to break it.

00:58:37.000 Yeah, essentially use it how it's not supposed to be used.

00:58:41.000 But it keeps an edge so well, man.

00:58:44.000 It's crazy.

00:58:44.000 I mean, I get nervous every time I touch the blade.

00:58:47.000 I mean, this thing slices through things.

00:58:50.000 Now, there's got to be an art to...

00:58:54.000 Actually sharpening things too, right?

00:58:56.000 Oh for sure.

00:58:57.000 And how do you know like the right angle to approach sharpening?

00:59:02.000 It's I mean there are a lot there actually a lot of great information online They're especially in big cities like Seattle LA New York Austin They're in Portland as well.

00:59:15.000 They're super reputable people, not only who will offer service, but usually offer lessons as well.

00:59:21.000 I suggest, like, if you can't afford it, you know, you can dig around, you can find the stuff online. 0.98

00:59:27.000 But it's not the same as having, essentially having a coach next to you saying, uh-uh, or, yeah, that's great, that's perfect, that's where you want to be doing that shit. 0.93

00:59:37.000 Do you sharpen both sides? 0.99

00:59:39.000 I do.

00:59:40.000 So you sharpen the top and the bottom?

00:59:44.000 I'm sorry.

00:59:44.000 You mean...

00:59:45.000 Both sides of the steel.

00:59:46.000 Like, would you sharpen it like this and then flip it over and sharpen it like that?

00:59:49.000 Yeah.

00:59:50.000 Now, what are those things...

00:59:51.000 And they have those metal things where people go, shing, shing, shing, shing.

00:59:55.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:55.000 Those ones seem like...

00:59:57.000 I'm like, that looks brutal.

00:59:59.000 I wouldn't do that to a good knife.

01:00:02.000 So...

01:00:02.000 Am I right thinking that way?

01:00:03.000 Well, it depends on the type of steel that your knife's made from and then what the material is that those rods are made from.

01:00:10.000 So those are...

01:00:12.000 Commonly referred to as sharpening rods or sharpening sticks.

01:00:15.000 But the reality is they're not actually sharpening.

01:00:18.000 What are they doing?

01:00:18.000 So they're more accurately referred to as honing rods.

01:00:23.000 So what's happening at the cutting edge of your knife is you have all these micro serrations.

01:00:29.000 Essentially, if you go take it under a microscope and look at the cutting edge, it looks like a saw blade. 0.99

01:00:35.000 But they're fucking microns. 0.99

01:00:37.000 A micron is a millionth of a meter. 1.00

01:00:40.000 They're teeny tiny.

01:00:42.000 But what happens over normal use, those teeth, they bend over, they flex over, or sometimes they eventually wear out and fall off.

01:00:51.000 And so what the honing rod does, especially if they've bent over...

01:00:56.000 There it is.

01:00:56.000 He's showing it right there.

01:00:57.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:00:57.000 Exciting. 0.96

01:00:58.000 Look at that blade edge.

01:01:00.000 Ooh! 0.96

01:01:01.000 That's crazy. 0.94

01:01:02.000 You want to ignore like those long streaks and you're just like the tiny little thin black. 1.00

01:01:06.000 Yeah, that's the shit right there. 1.00

01:01:08.000 Damn. 1.00

01:01:09.000 Pop that thin black line. 1.00

01:01:12.000 Damn, that's crazy. 0.99

01:01:15.000 Observation. 1.00

01:01:16.000 Are you looking at this?

01:01:17.000 It's like someone's doing it to your instruction, but yeah, it's a YouTube video.

01:01:20.000 Crazy.

01:01:21.000 Yeah, that is crazy. 1.00

01:01:22.000 I was like, are you doing that shit right now? 0.98

01:01:24.000 300x magnification view from the top. 0.99

01:01:28.000 Yeah.

01:01:29.000 So that's what's happening along your cutting edge.

01:01:30.000 And what happens is those tiny serrations where it bend over, like I was saying, or break off. 0.95

01:01:35.000 But as they bend over, and it's just normal shit, that honing rod, by swiping across that honing rod, and you don't just do it willy-nilly. 0.71

01:01:44.000 You've got to do it at the right angle and all this stuff. 0.92

01:01:46.000 But what it does is it realigns.

01:01:48.000 And hones those teeth back into alignment. 0.99

01:01:50.000 So people mistakenly call them sharpening sticks because all of a sudden their knife is sharp as fuck afterwards. 0.92

01:01:56.000 But the reality is that it's honed those teeth back into alignment so it can do its job again. 0.92

01:02:01.000 Now what's the purpose of the leather strop?

01:02:04.000 So that's just a gentler way, especially for things that are super, super razor sharp, which essentially have been sharpened to a really high finish, like 10,000 grit or higher.

01:02:17.000 So those micro serrations are even smaller, which means they're even more delicate, which means they don't need as much force to realign them.

01:02:25.000 So a honing rod or a strop So that's a human hair?

01:02:30.000 Yeah.

01:02:31.000 Jesus Christ. 0.99

01:02:32.000 That looks disgusting. 0.98

01:02:33.000 Imagine choking on that hair.

01:02:34.000 So just to give you some reference, a typical and average human hair is about three thousandths of an inch.

01:02:43.000 Whoa.

01:02:45.000 Yeah.

01:02:45.000 And to help put that in a little bit better perspective, a sixteenth of an inch, like a normal measurement, one sixteenth of an inch is 62.5 thousandths of an inch.

01:02:58.000 So that's like one, I can't even do the math right, one twentieth of a sixteenth of an inch, which is fucking teeny tiny. 0.96

01:03:06.000 Wow. 0.98

01:03:07.000 That's crazy.

01:03:08.000 It's like split the hair.

01:03:09.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:03:10.000 Just like shaved it.

01:03:10.000 Yeah, literally.

01:03:12.000 Yeah.

01:03:13.000 There's a big debate in the world of bow hunting with broadheads, with what kind of steel to use.

01:03:22.000 And there's harder steel that some people use, but it breaks.

01:03:29.000 And there's an issue with that.

01:03:31.000 And there's this big debate, harder versus steel that is less hard, but will bend more and give slightly more.

01:03:40.000 And then there's the broadhead that I use, which is a carbon steel broadhead from a company called G5. They make this broadhead called a Montec.

01:03:49.000 Let's pull up G5 carbon steel Montec.

01:03:55.000 Montec CS, they call them.

01:03:57.000 So you're talking it's just the head, like the triangular?

01:04:01.000 Or is it even a triangular?

01:04:02.000 What you use for hunting.

01:04:02.000 The one that I use, yeah, it is.

01:04:06.000 It has three points or four points.

01:04:10.000 Here, he'll pull it up.

01:04:11.000 You see it.

01:04:11.000 That's it.

01:04:12.000 Oh yeah, sure.

01:04:13.000 So that's three points.

01:04:14.000 But that's a carbon steel broadhead.

01:04:16.000 That's what I shot my elk with last year with.

01:04:20.000 And that thing is virtually indestructible.

01:04:22.000 I have a crazy photograph.

01:04:24.000 I'll show you this crazy video.

01:04:26.000 Oh, I put it up on my Instagram.

01:04:27.000 Find it on my Instagram where... 0.97

01:04:31.000 I was fucking around with something on my bow at full draw. 0.79

01:04:36.000 I was trying to set something and the bow went off and it hit a cement wall. 0.97

01:04:41.000 And it stuck into the wall.

01:04:43.000 Like cinder block or solid cement?

01:04:45.000 Solid cement wall.

01:04:46.000 And didn't kill the broadhead. 0.92

01:04:48.000 I still have the broadhead back there.

01:04:50.000 It stuck into the broadhead.

01:04:52.000 Look at it did.

01:04:53.000 It's stuck into the broadhead. 1.00

01:04:55.000 The shaft is fucked up. 0.99

01:04:56.000 Look what it did to the arrow. 0.99

01:04:59.000 Now look at that.

01:05:00.000 Look at that broadhead. 1.00

01:05:01.000 That fucking thing's got my bet for life. 1.00

01:05:04.000 That thing's got my confidence forever. 1.00

01:05:06.000 Because if that does that to concrete, what will that do to bone?

01:05:09.000 Right.

01:05:09.000 Yeah, that will go through anything.

01:05:11.000 That's going to kick some ass. 0.81

01:05:12.000 So one of the things I would say after seeing that, especially that first image, is the geometry of the blades, the actual points. 0.98

01:05:21.000 They lend themselves similarly to how your hunting knife is sharpened differently from your chef's knife.

01:05:27.000 Like the chef's knife material is thinner, but they're also sharpened at different angles because they have different jobs they're supposed to do.

01:05:34.000 The more acute that is, the more easily that will break, as well as the thinner the material that geometry is living on is more susceptible to breaking.

01:05:47.000 That first image that Jamie pulled up, the geometry looked like it was pretty robust.

01:05:52.000 Pull that up again?

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:53.000 As well as, like, it looks like it's probably at least 30 thousandths of an inch thick, which is, you know, that's about, if not more, actually.

01:06:02.000 No, the original image, Jamie, we see the actual broadhead without the...

01:06:07.000 Yeah, my friend Brian Stevens turned me on to these.

01:06:12.000 He...

01:06:13.000 He shot a bear through the head with one of those.

01:06:16.000 It was from 10 feet away.

01:06:18.000 It was coming at him.

01:06:22.000 He's got an image of the skull that he sent me where you could see the outline of that broadhead through the bear skull.

01:06:30.000 That's crazy. 0.98

01:06:32.000 Killed the bear and didn't even fuck up the arrow. 0.99

01:06:34.000 I'm like, that is crazy. 0.96

01:06:36.000 Yeah. 0.93

01:06:36.000 And so a lot of, like, you see people doing these incredible feats, like hammering through nails and shit like that with their knives. 0.93

01:06:42.000 You're like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:06:44.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:45.000 The thing that most people are used to are a chef's knife, and they think if they did that with their chef's knife, they'd fuck it up, and 100% it pretty much would. 0.98

01:06:52.000 But with the right thickness coming up to the cutting edge, as well as the actual lead cutting edge geometry, like the actual angle that it's sharpened at, you could do that shit all day long.

01:07:03.000 Now, when you sharpen a blade, do you use something to hold it next to the stone so that it reaches the perfect angle, or do you do it by eye? 0.94

01:07:13.000 I do it by eye.

01:07:14.000 Actually, if you'll hand it over to me.

01:07:16.000 One of the things, especially when I first started learning, I would use my finger as a guide.

01:07:21.000 So that would inform me as to the angle.

01:07:24.000 So when the edge of my finger would touch the top of the stone, that told me that was about the right angle.

01:07:28.000 And then when I flipped it over to do the other side, I'd do the same thing with my thumb.

01:07:33.000 And essentially use the edge of my thumb.

01:07:35.000 And you just know this from experience?

01:07:35.000 I just know it from experience.

01:07:36.000 They do make sharpening guides that you can clip on to the back of the knives, as well as little ramps.

01:07:43.000 Those are all great, especially if you're starting.

01:07:45.000 The hardest part about all of this is the muscle memory portion.

01:07:49.000 It's figuring out how to lock in. 0.98

01:07:52.000 And maintain that angle without wavering and twisting your wrists and all that kind of shit. 0.74

01:07:57.000 It's like riding a bike or anything you've ever had to learn in your life. 0.88

01:08:02.000 With practice and repetition, you'll get better.

01:08:04.000 What do you think about those machines?

01:08:07.000 They're like little... 1.00

01:08:10.000 I think they're the worst fucking thing ever. 1.00

01:08:12.000 Really? 0.99

01:08:12.000 I have almost kind of a conspiracy theory that the reality is they're designed to destroy your knife, so you have to turn around and reinvest again. 0.99

01:08:23.000 Really?

01:08:24.000 One, because the knives aren't usually sold for very much money that are being used with those things.

01:08:29.000 Mm-hmm.

01:08:30.000 And when you're not selling them very much, you're relying on volume.

01:08:35.000 And what better way than to create a thing that does the job for a little bit, but ultimately destroys it and you have to reinvest.

01:08:42.000 What about those ones where you stick it in the slot?

01:08:45.000 It's the same kind of thing.

01:08:46.000 It's a little slower process.

01:08:49.000 But you'll notice the problem with those, the real problem with those, is that you can't sharpen the whole edge.

01:08:55.000 You usually start...

01:08:57.000 At the heel or just a little bit in front of the heel.

01:08:59.000 And then you do the major work.

01:09:01.000 I tripped myself out. 1.00

01:09:03.000 I was like, fuck, I'm going to cut myself. 0.99

01:09:04.000 This is actually still pretty sharp. 1.00

01:09:06.000 Oh, it's sharp as fuck. 0.95

01:09:08.000 And so the problem is because you're not getting the full length, you'll continue to dish this material out just in front of the heel. 0.99

01:09:16.000 And then when you go to cut, there's just this little bit of... 0.98

01:09:19.000 Shit there that's not doing any work. 0.99

01:09:21.000 It's not doing anything. 0.99

01:09:22.000 Especially when you're relying on that cutting board when the knife comes down to the cutting board to do some work.

01:09:27.000 It's not happening.

01:09:28.000 I cut my lunch with that today.

01:09:29.000 Nice. 1.00

01:09:30.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:09:31.000 Cut elk with that. 1.00

01:09:31.000 That axis. 1.00

01:09:32.000 That axis elk.

01:09:34.000 Axis deer and elk.

01:09:35.000 Oh, my God.

01:09:36.000 That was killing me.

01:09:37.000 I commented. 1.00

01:09:38.000 I probably didn't see it, but I was just like, holy shit, that looks so fucking good. 0.99

01:09:42.000 Yeah, man. 0.99

01:09:42.000 You know, well, I learned how to cook. 0.99

01:09:44.000 I mean, I feel like there's some real art to that as well from my friend Chad Ward.

01:09:51.000 WhiskeyBendBBQ on Instagram, he's like a pit master, like a legit world champion barbecue master.

01:10:00.000 And he's the one that taught me how to cook slowly at low temperatures and then sear it after you're done.

01:10:06.000 I always thought you're supposed to just put it on high heat. 0.99

01:10:10.000 Cook the shit out of it and then eat it, you know? 0.99

01:10:13.000 Yeah, I mean... 0.99

01:10:14.000 It tastes fine that way, too, but, you know, when you're dealing...

01:10:17.000 I really had to learn, especially in particular, cooking with wild game is very unforgiving because it's...

01:10:26.000 It's low in fat.

01:10:27.000 Yeah, it's got none.

01:10:28.000 Yeah.

01:10:28.000 You're basically eating a sprinter.

01:10:33.000 Here it is right there.

01:10:34.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:10:34.000 So that's the end.

01:10:35.000 I reverse sear it in a pan with grass-fed butter.

01:10:38.000 You hear that, baby?

01:10:38.000 That's beautiful.

01:10:39.000 Listen to that sound.

01:10:40.000 Oh! 0.60

01:10:43.000 Oh! 0.60

01:10:45.000 That's the last of my backstrap.

01:10:47.000 I gotta get some more meat.

01:10:50.000 I eat so much meat.

01:10:52.000 It's crazy.

01:10:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:10:53.000 Super healthy, though, bitch. 1.00

01:10:56.000 Fuck what you heard. 1.00

01:10:59.000 It looks like it works. 1.00

01:11:00.000 No.

01:11:01.000 Well, you know what, too? 0.98

01:11:02.000 There's something really magical about Wild Game, and I don't know what the fuck it is. 0.96

01:11:07.000 I really don't, and I don't think anybody does. 0.92

01:11:09.000 Because I don't think there's enough people out there that are eating it, but it has a different effect on your body.

01:11:14.000 It feels different when I eat it.

01:11:16.000 Even just beef.

01:11:17.000 Like, if you have a...

01:11:18.000 Grass-fed beef? 1.00

01:11:19.000 Oh, fuck. 1.00

01:11:20.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:11:20.000 Total, like, pasture-raised, like, oh my god, the difference. 1.00

01:11:25.000 Do you know about ButcherBox?

01:11:27.000 I'm aware of it, yeah. 1.00

01:11:28.000 Yeah, dude, that company's the shit. 1.00

01:11:30.000 They'll send it to your house, frozen, grass-fed, pasture-raised, like, pasture-finished, and it's pretty cheap, too. 1.00

01:11:39.000 It's a good deal.

01:11:40.000 It's one of the sponsors of this podcast, and I use them all the time.

01:11:43.000 I think it's amazing.

01:11:44.000 It's brilliant.

01:11:45.000 No, and the few times that I, and it's, actually, I feel embarrassed saying that.

01:11:49.000 I've only eaten really good beef, happy beef, essentially, only a few times.

01:11:54.000 Grass-fed beef, yeah.

01:11:55.000 Yeah.

01:11:55.000 It's hard to get, especially in some places.

01:11:57.000 Oh my god, when you take a bite, like, even just that first bite, it's just like, it's, you've entered a whole different world, and it's like, what the fuck? 0.98

01:12:05.000 Just the flavors, everything. 0.99

01:12:07.000 I have my friend Mike Hawkridge.

01:12:09.000 He lives up in British Columbia.

01:12:12.000 Like, the real British Columbia. 0.91

01:12:14.000 Like, way the fuck up there.

01:12:15.000 And, you know, he's a hunting guide. 0.56

01:12:18.000 And got him some tickets for the fights in Vegas.

01:12:22.000 And he and his wife came down.

01:12:23.000 And then afterwards we went out to eat.

01:12:25.000 And they were eating steak.

01:12:26.000 We ate at a restaurant.

01:12:28.000 And they're laughing.

01:12:28.000 Like, pfft.

01:12:30.000 They're used to eating moose.

01:12:32.000 This meat is like this poor little sick animal.

01:12:36.000 It's all mushy.

01:12:39.000 If you eat a piece of wild moose meat, it's like, whoa! 1.00

01:12:44.000 You eat it, you're like, holy shit! 1.00

01:12:45.000 It's filled with flavor. 1.00

01:12:48.000 It feels like it gives you energy.

01:12:51.000 It's crazy.

01:12:52.000 I would...

01:12:53.000 Totally by that.

01:12:54.000 Yeah.

01:12:55.000 Yeah, man.

01:12:55.000 It's like the...

01:12:56.000 What is that?

01:12:57.000 People are trying to inject young people's blood into their bodies to try to make themselves feel younger?

01:13:04.000 Like eating...

01:13:05.000 Putting good, well-sourced...

01:13:08.000 I don't know if those two things are...

01:13:10.000 No.

01:13:11.000 I don't know if it's the same.

01:13:13.000 Probably not the same.

01:13:13.000 No.

01:13:14.000 But I do think that there's...

01:13:16.000 I mean, there's got to be something to consuming an incredibly healthy, vibrant animal versus something that's like raised in a cage.

01:13:27.000 Right.

01:13:27.000 I mean, this just makes sense.

01:13:29.000 But I don't think this is something that you can...

01:13:33.000 They have absolutely measured protein content, and the protein content is off the charts.

01:13:38.000 If you look at the difference between the protein content of chicken or regular beef versus moose or elk, it's much higher.

01:13:45.000 Much denser in protein.

01:13:46.000 I think something like six ounces of Axis deer is 48 grams of protein, which is incredible.

01:13:57.000 Well, it's interesting to think about that to get that same amount of protein, like you don't have to gorge on it.

01:14:03.000 You just eat that little bit, you're good.

01:14:07.000 Yeah, a little six ounce piece and you're good.

01:14:08.000 Even less if you want to stay in ketosis.

01:14:10.000 If you're like in a keto diet, you really need less than six ounces.

01:14:13.000 You need like three ounces.

01:14:14.000 Right.

01:14:15.000 You know, food is, to me, especially as I've gotten older, I've started doing a lot more cooking, and it becomes a different thing.

01:14:26.000 It's not just, I'm hungry, I need to stuff my face.

01:14:29.000 The preparing of food, much like we were talking about with craftsmanship, there's an art to making food.

01:14:37.000 I mean, I'm by no means a chef, but I can cook a few things really good.

01:14:42.000 You know, and I take great satisfaction. 0.96

01:14:44.000 I fucking love it, you know? 0.99

01:14:46.000 I'll take... 0.99

01:14:47.000 My wife used to hate this, but we would get home and we're like, we're hungry.

01:14:52.000 We're gonna make some food.

01:14:53.000 Two hours later, she's like...

01:14:57.000 She's like...

01:14:58.000 And a lot of people are...

01:15:00.000 My brother's the same way. 0.98

01:15:01.000 Like, I'm fucking hungry now. 0.98

01:15:02.000 I need to eat now. 1.00

01:15:03.000 I'm gonna rip your fucking head off. 1.00

01:15:05.000 Well, what you need to do is set up some cheese and some like salami or something like that. 1.00

01:15:08.000 So that's what I started doing.

01:15:10.000 There you go.

01:15:10.000 Putting out some snackums while I'm working.

01:15:12.000 So everybody just relax.

01:15:14.000 Relax.

01:15:14.000 Where, like, I could be starving.

01:15:16.000 I'll get done with a long-ass day of grinding. 0.99

01:15:18.000 I'll go home and I want to, like, I have this thing locked in my mind that I want to eat. 0.99

01:15:22.000 I'll take two hours to make the fucking thing even though I'm starving. 0.98

01:15:25.000 I haven't eaten since, like, 1 o'clock in the afternoon. 0.99

01:15:28.000 It's 9 o'clock at night.

01:15:29.000 Do you find that as a person who is a craftsman and an artisan that you try to have that approach with, like, other things in your life, too?

01:15:37.000 Like what you were just talking about, like, making food and...

01:15:40.000 Yeah, sure.

01:15:41.000 I mean, I feel like I don't really think too much about the fact that I'm doing it this way.

01:15:47.000 It's just kind of the way I do things.

01:15:50.000 I'm a little bit more methodical and I guess not necessarily more thoughtful than anybody else.

01:15:57.000 Just like when I approach these challenges or these things I got to do.

01:16:02.000 I take my time to do them right and try to do them right the first time.

01:16:06.000 Actually, when I was working for Bob, we would have to mock up stuff or build machines or fixtures or shit like that. 0.95

01:16:15.000 His mindset was quick and dirty.

01:16:18.000 We've got to get this done as quick as possible.

01:16:22.000 And if it doesn't work the first time, we'll make some modifications and we'll try it a second time.

01:16:27.000 Still doesn't work the second time.

01:16:28.000 And so forth.

01:16:29.000 So on and so forth until we got it right.

01:16:31.000 Where I would just think it through a little bit more.

01:16:35.000 First time was all I needed.

01:16:37.000 But there was a long time.

01:16:39.000 I used to do a lot of woodworking before I got into metalworking.

01:16:42.000 And I always had to measure five times and cut twice.

01:16:48.000 Right, yeah. 0.66

01:16:49.000 And so I started getting to this point where I really had to think shit through because to me it felt like a huge waste of time and energy and materials really to go through all that process and then... 0.55

01:17:03.000 There had to be a long learning curve though, right? 0.77

01:17:06.000 Especially, I would imagine, the forging aspect of it.

01:17:10.000 It's probably incredibly difficult.

01:17:12.000 When I was working for Bob, the only forging we did was forging the Damascus to make the patterns.

01:17:19.000 And then we would cut blades out and go from there.

01:17:23.000 I learned forging about five years ago, essentially, working with a gentleman named David Lish.

01:17:30.000 He's a master bladesmith.

01:17:32.000 He used to work in Seattle.

01:17:33.000 He's down in the Olympia area now.

01:17:36.000 But he's a blacksmith by trade.

01:17:41.000 That got into knife making. 1.00

01:17:42.000 And he's fucking skilled. 0.99

01:17:43.000 He's super talented, especially when it comes to bowie knives and hunters. 0.99

01:17:46.000 Like, he does some really great work.

01:17:47.000 And especially his Damascus patterns are really great.

01:17:50.000 But to watch somebody move and manipulate material.

01:17:55.000 And, like I said before, like, stock removal is a very valid way of doing it.

01:17:59.000 Because the cost of the actual materials...

01:18:05.000 Stock removal?

01:18:06.000 Stock removal.

01:18:07.000 So earlier I was talking about taking a bar and then cutting out the blade shape.

01:18:11.000 Okay, it's called stock removal?

01:18:12.000 Yeah, because you're literally removing stock from the starting, the parent material.

01:18:18.000 When you do that, would you take what's left and melt it down?

01:18:20.000 You could melt it down.

01:18:22.000 You could turn it and forge it into other stuff.

01:18:25.000 It's a really interesting practice.

01:18:29.000 It's actually, it's kind of like, you know, people refer to yoga as a practice and you're never going to be perfect.

01:18:33.000 Like there's never going to be perfection in blade forging.

01:18:36.000 But there's always an opportunity to learn something and to practice it.

01:18:40.000 And so when you see, like you have a decent little chunk, you know, you start smashing on that thing and see what you can get out of it.

01:18:46.000 To economize that material.

01:18:48.000 And again, like I said, you don't really need to do that because of how inexpensive material is. 0.88

01:18:53.000 But if you think back even a hundred years, this high quality material is fucking expensive.

01:18:58.000 You had to get the most out of it as you possibly could.

01:19:01.000 And so that's why forging was such a big deal.

01:19:05.000 And then as that price went down, people changed the way they manufactured just because then the time was the thing that cost the most, not the materials.

01:19:13.000 And so they turned around and made it easier to manufacture. 0.98

01:19:16.000 They didn't give a shit about the waste. 0.97

01:19:18.000 Now, how did you learn handle geometry, like the handle and this hunting knife? 0.98

01:19:22.000 How did you learn how to do that?

01:19:23.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:19:24.000 This is very unique.

01:19:25.000 It is unique.

01:19:27.000 It fits my hand perfectly.

01:19:29.000 It fits in your hand.

01:19:31.000 And that's the goal.

01:19:32.000 A friend refers to it as the knife shaking your hand back.

01:19:38.000 Oh, yeah.

01:19:40.000 Like it fits so well.

01:19:41.000 It feels like you're holding.

01:19:43.000 Like this little thing that you've got here for people that are just listening.

01:19:46.000 There's an initial smoothness in the front and then there's like this little bump and then it's thicker at the bottom and it just locks in your hand and it just feels perfect.

01:19:57.000 So I was inspired to do that by a maker named Claude Beauchonville.

01:20:01.000 He's a Belgian maker.

01:20:03.000 I first met him.

01:20:04.000 Oh Claude!

01:20:06.000 Claude.

01:20:06.000 Claude Bonjanvi.

01:20:09.000 He's a Belgian maker.

01:20:12.000 The first time I met him was at Blade Show, which is a huge knife exposition.

01:20:16.000 It's the biggest one in the world that happens down in Atlanta every year.

01:20:19.000 The first weekend of June, he was my table neighbor. 0.98

01:20:23.000 And I had never told him this story, but the first time I saw his knives, I was like, the blades and everything look great, but the handle looks fucking weird as shit. 0.98

01:20:33.000 This handle? 0.89

01:20:34.000 Yeah, very similar to that handle.

01:20:36.000 His has more of like a nice gentle curve around to the end instead of...

01:20:40.000 Kind of how that one's kind of at a clip or an angle.

01:20:43.000 And so finally, like on the third day of the show, this really great maker that I look up to came over and he was just like doting over Claude's work.

01:20:53.000 And I was like, all right, there must be something. 0.99

01:20:55.000 And I feel like such an asshole. 0.98

01:20:57.000 Like I didn't even touch the stuff. 0.99

01:20:58.000 I was just looking at it and judging.

01:21:00.000 And I picked it up, and I was like, what? 1.00

01:21:02.000 It was totally like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:21:05.000 Right. 0.99

01:21:06.000 Because that same feeling that you have when you're holding, like, it feels perfect.

01:21:10.000 I was like, it totally shifted my entire mindset and paradigm around what I thought handle shapes should look and feel like.

01:21:19.000 And that has definitely inspired, continued, especially for, like, hard-use knives.

01:21:24.000 Like, especially, like, for a bigger blade, like a bush knife that you're trying to chop through stuff with.

01:21:30.000 A handle like that is going to benefit you immensely because it feels like a natural extension of your hand.

01:21:36.000 And is this your logo etched into the bottom?

01:21:40.000 Yeah, it's my insignia.

01:21:41.000 My name's Marco Malmasi.

01:21:43.000 It's two Ms kind of swirling around each other. 0.98

01:21:46.000 And it looks kind of like a flame. 1.00

01:21:48.000 Dude, I'm such a dork for this shit. 1.00

01:21:49.000 I love it. 1.00

01:21:51.000 It's so interesting, man.

01:21:53.000 And the handle, too.

01:21:55.000 There's something about the handle being made out of antler.

01:21:58.000 Like, the antler, the feel that it has in your hand, too.

01:22:01.000 The organic materials.

01:22:03.000 Yeah, organic.

01:22:04.000 Especially antler and bone, they have this kind of, like...

01:22:09.000 I don't know if you've experienced it with these...

01:22:11.000 Especially cutting up the like the greasy meat but it from from my experience it does it stays grippy it doesn't become super slippery or anything the handle on my bow is actually made out of antler I had it custom made my friend John Dudley had these ones made from a bull that he killed on September 11 2001 like it's the 9-11 bull and he had these Handles made out of the antlers of this and it does the way it sits in your hand.

01:22:41.000 It's like it's got an even if you're sweaty or you know there's something you know it's raining out it just has an extra grip to it.

01:22:47.000 Well, and especially something like that, like, if you're skinny or breaking down an animal, like, it's important, but it's not gonna, like, it's not like one of those moments where you're relying on that grip for your life.

01:22:58.000 Right.

01:22:58.000 But when you do need that for your life, like, you're trying to do, or like, you're digging in the ground, you're falling down the hillside, and you're trying to jab it and get a hold, like, that's gonna be really important.

01:23:10.000 But obviously, that's a very rare thing.

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 Incident when that one happened.

01:23:15.000 Well, it's just something cool about it, too.

01:23:17.000 Well, and just, like, the tactility of it.

01:23:19.000 It's just, again, it goes back to the, essentially, the user experience.

01:23:23.000 Like, what does it feel like?

01:23:25.000 How is it different?

01:23:26.000 Like, it makes, it really does make a difference.

01:23:29.000 Yeah, and one of the cool things to me, also, about antlers is that they shed them.

01:23:34.000 You know, that they lose these things every year, and that every year they grow a new one.

01:23:39.000 Do you know that it's the fastest growing organic material on Earth?

01:23:44.000 No, I didn't know that. 0.99

01:23:45.000 That shit right there, that giant elk antler, that grows in a couple months. 1.00

01:23:51.000 I didn't know that. 1.00

01:23:52.000 Yeah.

01:23:53.000 Falls off.

01:23:54.000 Right.

01:23:54.000 They lose it after they're done rutting.

01:23:57.000 I thought it was like they fell off and they just kind of immediately started like kind of slowly growing back.

01:24:02.000 No.

01:24:02.000 They grow the whole thing back in a couple months.

01:24:04.000 It's radical.

01:24:05.000 See if you find a video that shows elk antler growth time lapse because it's crazy how fast it grows.

01:24:15.000 And it's all just for war. 0.77

01:24:17.000 I mean, that's all that is.

01:24:18.000 It's to show off for the ladies. 1.00

01:24:20.000 Hey! 0.99

01:24:20.000 And it's also for war. 0.99

01:24:22.000 That's interesting.

01:24:23.000 Deer and elk.

01:24:25.000 Look at my rack. 1.00

01:24:26.000 Yeah, he had that rack just so he could fuck people up. 1.00

01:24:29.000 Or fuck people, but also elk. 1.00

01:24:32.000 And definitely people. 1.00

01:24:33.000 You get close to them. 1.00

01:24:35.000 Fuck me up. 1.00

01:24:36.000 But look at that. 1.00

01:24:37.000 The following photos were taken about a week apart over a period.

01:24:40.000 Look at this.

01:24:41.000 April 1st.

01:24:42.000 Check this out.

01:24:43.000 Just have it play out there.

01:24:45.000 It says over four months they show the incredible growth.

01:24:48.000 So April 1st.

01:24:49.000 Watch this.

01:24:50.000 Is it like at a farm?

01:24:51.000 That looks like it is.

01:24:52.000 Looks like it's an elk farm.

01:24:55.000 Just let it play out.

01:24:56.000 April 8th.

01:24:57.000 Boom, so seven days later.

01:24:59.000 Look at that.

01:25:00.000 April 15th.

01:25:01.000 Bang! 1.00

01:25:01.000 Look how big that shit is. 1.00

01:25:03.000 Oh shit! 1.00

01:25:04.000 April 22nd. 1.00

01:25:05.000 It's getting crazy.

01:25:07.000 Boom! 0.99

01:25:08.000 April 29th.

01:25:09.000 That's nuts.

01:25:11.000 Boom! 0.99

01:25:12.000 May 6th. 1.00

01:25:12.000 Holy shit. 1.00

01:25:13.000 One month. 1.00

01:25:14.000 Nuts.

01:25:14.000 May 13th.

01:25:15.000 Kapow! 1.00

01:25:17.000 What, motherfucker? 1.00

01:25:19.000 May 20th. 1.00

01:25:20.000 Getting crazy.

01:25:21.000 That's a lot of good handle material.

01:25:22.000 Yeah.

01:25:22.000 May 25th.

01:25:23.000 Hee-yah! 1.00

01:25:24.000 June 4th, woof!

01:25:26.000 Right, he's getting ready to go to war. 1.00

01:25:28.000 June 10th, he's thinking about pussy. 1.00

01:25:30.000 Look at that. 1.00

01:25:31.000 He's like, now, now I'm thinking about some pussy. 1.00

01:25:33.000 June 17th, I will fuck a dude up, comes near me. 1.00

01:25:37.000 June 24th, look at that. 0.99

01:25:38.000 And then July 1st.

01:25:40.000 That is crazy. 1.00

01:25:41.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:25:42.000 It's crazy. 1.00

01:25:43.000 And that's not even done.

01:25:44.000 July 8th, July 15th, now he's basically still in velvet.

01:25:48.000 Right.

01:25:49.000 And then July 22nd, that looks hard-horned to me.

01:25:52.000 That looks like he shed his velvet.

01:25:53.000 And then July 29th.

01:25:55.000 Isn't that nuts?

01:25:56.000 Bizarre.

01:25:56.000 So by the time August rolls around, they're, like right now, the beginning of September, they're in hard-horned.

01:26:02.000 And they'll go to war, and they'll keep that shit for, you know, till the end of December. 0.99

01:26:07.000 Probably December, I think. 1.00

01:26:09.000 Maybe January?

01:26:11.000 And then they'll lose it.

01:26:12.000 So it's the fastest growing organic material by volume, weight?

01:26:17.000 Yes.

01:26:18.000 Okay.

01:26:19.000 Yeah, I think by all those things.

01:26:21.000 Because it grows so fast and it's so heavy.

01:26:23.000 I mean, that's like 40 pounds just of antlers.

01:26:26.000 Yeah.

01:26:27.000 And it grows over a couple months.

01:26:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:26:29.000 It's fucking nuts, man. 0.99

01:26:31.000 Seeing pictures... 0.99

01:26:32.000 I might have made that up about the fastest growing organic material, but I think it's true.

01:26:35.000 Look, and it says the first fun fact I found, they can grow 10 pounds of velvet per year.

01:26:42.000 That's just the velvet.

01:26:43.000 Just the velvet.

01:26:44.000 Yeah.

01:26:45.000 Hmm.

01:26:47.000 Yeah, but that's probably because it's a velvet farm. 0.96

01:26:49.000 You know, they use that stuff for human growth hormone. 0.67

01:26:51.000 Like a lot of baseball players were taking... 1.00

01:26:53.000 Oh, no shit. 0.99

01:26:54.000 Yeah, a friend of mine, my friend John Rivett, shout out to Johnny Rivett, he lives in Alberta and one of his friends had an elk farm up there in Alberta and he grew elk not for the meat but for the velvet. 0.99

01:27:10.000 Because that stuff that grows grows so fast and so ridiculously potent that they would take antler velvet and they would turn it into a spray that would equal the effects of human growth hormone.

01:27:26.000 How could you do that across the beach?

01:27:27.000 She's like that.

01:27:28.000 I don't know.

01:27:28.000 But athletes were taking it.

01:27:30.000 Athletes were taking this stuff and it was having this growth hormone reaction in their body.

01:27:36.000 Aches and...

01:27:37.000 It sounds like it's superficial. 0.99

01:27:38.000 No, just get jacked, son! 0.99

01:27:39.000 Get swole, kid! 1.00

01:27:41.000 Is it applied superficially or are they squirted in the mouth?

01:27:44.000 I really don't know. 1.00

01:27:45.000 I'm too stupid to be answering your questions. 0.99

01:27:47.000 But there's something about Deer Velvet that was for quite, you know, I don't even know if it worked, but it was a big thing in the supplement and fitness industry that people were getting Deer Velvet. 0.99

01:27:59.000 I bought it.

01:28:01.000 You spray it.

01:28:02.000 And it's supposed to give you growth hormone.

01:28:06.000 What did you think of that Ole Beer?

01:28:08.000 Have you had Ole Beer before?

01:28:10.000 Yeah, I have.

01:28:10.000 It's great.

01:28:12.000 Olympia.

01:28:13.000 Is this from Olympia, Washington?

01:28:14.000 Is that what it is?

01:28:16.000 Originally, yeah.

01:28:17.000 I think it's brewed in Milwaukee now. 1.00

01:28:19.000 What the fuck? 1.00

01:28:20.000 I know. 0.99

01:28:21.000 Everything's being sourced overseas.

01:28:22.000 I mean, what? 0.98

01:28:24.000 You're from the Pacific Northwest, but now you live in Connecticut, the state I shit on the most. 1.00

01:28:29.000 There's a whole video out there of me shitting on Connecticut. 0.99

01:28:32.000 People have made a compilation of me shitting on Connecticut. 0.98

01:28:35.000 I'm sure plenty of it's warranted. 0.98

01:28:37.000 Yeah, there's all of it.

01:28:39.000 Shout out to my good friend Tommy Jr. who lives in Connecticut.

01:28:42.000 I finally found it.

01:28:43.000 So I think it's just antlers in general are the fastest growing tissue in any mammal.

01:28:49.000 Yeah, and then elk antler is the fastest growing out of all of them because it's the largest.

01:28:54.000 So it grows in the same amount of time that a deer would grow its antlers, but it's far larger.

01:29:01.000 Even more mass than a moose?

01:29:04.000 No, a moose would be bigger.

01:29:07.000 Some moose. 1.00

01:29:08.000 Those motherfuckers are huge. 1.00

01:29:09.000 Yeah, they're the biggest. 1.00

01:29:10.000 They're the biggest of all of the deer species.

01:29:14.000 By far.

01:29:15.000 I think a full-grown Yukon moose could be as much as 2,000 pounds.

01:29:22.000 A really big, rocky mountain elk under normal circumstances... 0.99

01:29:27.000 Is like a fucking giant one is pushing a thousand. 0.99

01:29:31.000 Jesus. 1.00

01:29:32.000 It's a giant though.

01:29:33.000 That'd be like a 400 inch bull. 0.98

01:29:36.000 What does that mean, 400 inch?

01:29:38.000 The inches, the measurement of the size of the inches of the antler.

01:29:43.000 Do you see that one that's in the front?

01:29:45.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:45.000 That's considerably bigger than this one.

01:29:47.000 The one out in the front is 382 inches.

01:29:49.000 That's a giant bull. 1.00

01:29:51.000 And that fucker was about a thousand pounds. 1.00

01:29:53.000 He was huge. 1.00

01:29:54.000 Yeah.

01:29:56.000 Huge.

01:29:57.000 Moose is bigger.

01:29:57.000 Moose is twice as big.

01:29:59.000 Moose would see that thing and go, shut the fuck up, bitch. 1.00

01:30:01.000 And he'd go, oh, I gotta go! 1.00

01:30:03.000 And he'd just start running.

01:30:04.000 But moose, the weird thing about a moose is their antlers are like a door.

01:30:08.000 You know, it's basically like, they're so fat and thin.

01:30:12.000 It's not like pokey. 0.69

01:30:13.000 I mean, they're basically like, they're hitting each other in the head with doors.

01:30:17.000 Right.

01:30:18.000 They're like big old gloves on your hand. 0.98

01:30:21.000 I've seen a few pictures where, especially the moose, their antlers get locked up and they're fucking stuck. 0.97

01:30:28.000 More deer than moose. 0.97

01:30:30.000 Yeah.

01:30:30.000 Because the design of a moose's antlers is like, it's not as intertwined, but with deer it happens all the time because there's a little bit of flex to the bone.

01:30:38.000 Sure.

01:30:39.000 And so they'll clash and in the force of the two of them slamming in each other, they get stuck.

01:30:44.000 CTE. Well, they drown.

01:30:47.000 They've fought like that and then wrestled and wound up in the water and wound up drowning.

01:30:53.000 There's a horrible video I saw of two deer that got stuck and one of them got killed by a coyote.

01:31:00.000 Not just a coyote, a whole pack of them, torn to shreds. 0.99

01:31:03.000 They tore them and they eat them asshole first, as I've documented many times in this podcast. 1.00

01:31:08.000 I feel like a lot of animals go for the butt first. 1.00

01:31:11.000 Well, yeah, lions do. 0.98

01:31:13.000 Yeah, a lot of them do.

01:31:14.000 I don't know what that's all about.

01:31:16.000 But the one deer was still attached to his dead friend And these hunters had to help it get released.

01:31:27.000 They sawed one of the antlers off the other deer, this dead deer, and freed it.

01:31:32.000 And then this other one ran off.

01:31:33.000 Like, what a nightmare that guy's lived through.

01:31:35.000 Right. 1.00

01:31:36.000 You know, his buddy, it's his asshole torn apart. 1.00

01:31:38.000 They're literally eating him alive while he's stuck to the guy. 1.00

01:31:41.000 Oh, my God.

01:31:42.000 Probably fighting them off of him.

01:31:44.000 I mean, you talk about could have easily been you.

01:31:48.000 I mean, literally could have easily been you.

01:31:49.000 There's two deer, one of them gets eaten alive, and the other one's just sitting there, like, living with the horror.

01:31:56.000 Right. 0.99

01:31:56.000 And then these people come over, and he can't get away from the fucking people, and he's like, these people are gonna eat me! 0.99

01:32:01.000 And they don't even eat them. 0.99

01:32:03.000 They let them go.

01:32:03.000 And they're hunters.

01:32:04.000 They freed them up and let them loose. 0.95

01:32:07.000 Crazy.

01:32:08.000 Yeah.

01:32:09.000 You got that?

01:32:10.000 Oh, there's one.

01:32:10.000 That elk got stuck with a dead elk.

01:32:14.000 That's a dead elk. 0.96

01:32:16.000 That's an elk head that's stuck on the other elks.

01:32:19.000 But see, I don't know what that was.

01:32:22.000 That, to me, makes me think that that could have very easily been like an elk found a dead elk and just started headbutting and ripped its head off and got stuck with it.

01:32:32.000 They kill each other all the time, though.

01:32:35.000 I mean, all the time.

01:32:37.000 Oh, jeez, look at those racks. 1.00

01:32:39.000 Dude, when you hear them fighting, like one of the first times I ever went elk hunting, we were coming over this hill and it sounded like two dudes slamming baseball bats together.

01:32:49.000 Just crack, crack, crack, crack!

01:32:53.000 And when we came over the top of the hill, these two giant elk were just running at each other and smashing each other.

01:33:00.000 It was a magical day.

01:33:01.000 I can't even imagine.

01:33:01.000 It was like one of the first times I ever elk hunted.

01:33:04.000 And there's a thing that happens when you hit a peak rut.

01:33:07.000 And when the peak rut happens, they just go crazy all around you.

01:33:11.000 They're all screaming.

01:33:12.000 And it might only happen once in a season.

01:33:15.000 And you just, if you might be there for that couple of hours when it all goes down, it's insanity.

01:33:21.000 Yeah.

01:33:21.000 Insanity.

01:33:22.000 They're just all around you screaming and headbutting each other. 0.99

01:33:24.000 I can't even imagine walking over the top of the hill and fucking stumbling across that. 0.98

01:33:29.000 Dude, you feel so vulnerable. 0.99

01:33:30.000 You're like, ah!

01:33:30.000 You just want to hide behind a tree.

01:33:31.000 I'm not supposed to be seeing this right now.

01:33:33.000 And they're screaming at each other.

01:33:36.000 And they're so big, man.

01:33:39.000 They're screeches.

01:33:40.000 Yeah, there's two going at it right there.

01:33:43.000 And you hear them.

01:33:45.000 They just clash and slam at each other.

01:33:47.000 Oh, yeah.

01:33:49.000 You hear that?

01:33:51.000 It's... 1.00

01:33:51.000 Oh, shit. 1.00

01:33:52.000 The poor guy's gonna go in the wrong spot. 1.00

01:33:54.000 Like, fuck, man. 1.00

01:33:54.000 And they don't even know he's alive, you know? 1.00

01:33:57.000 And they kill each other all the time. 0.99

01:33:59.000 And the hormones they got going on, they're just like, I don't give a fuck about anything else. 0.99

01:34:04.000 Yeah, my friend Cam came across one last year, and he crept up on it. 0.99

01:34:10.000 He thought it was bedded, and he shot it with an arrow, and it didn't move. 0.99

01:34:14.000 And he's like, what the fuck? 0.99

01:34:15.000 And he got over to it. 1.00

01:34:16.000 It was already dead.

01:34:17.000 And another elk had stabbed it.

01:34:20.000 They stabbed it through the heart and it laid down and died.

01:34:23.000 It happens all the time.

01:34:24.000 They're always finding them that other elk have murdered. 0.99

01:34:28.000 They don't give a fuck. 1.00

01:34:29.000 They're just trying to get them pussy, son. 1.00

01:34:32.000 Trying to get them pussy. 1.00

01:34:33.000 How much is the rut? 1.00

01:34:35.000 Is that a month?

01:34:36.000 Two months?

01:34:36.000 Just a month.

01:34:37.000 Maybe a little bit longer.

01:34:38.000 There's a second rut sometimes in October when another female will go into estrus and they'll resume the rut. 1.00

01:34:45.000 Yeah.

01:34:46.000 It's magical times.

01:34:48.000 Yeah, I can't even imagine stumbling across that.

01:34:50.000 It's pretty cool, man.

01:34:51.000 It's pretty cool.

01:34:52.000 You know, the real wild, the actual real wild.

01:34:55.000 Well, when you are in Connecticut, man, you gotta worry about two things.

01:34:58.000 Hitting a deer with your car and Lyme disease.

01:35:02.000 Okay, so that's something that we didn't realize we were moving into.

01:35:06.000 Oh, man.

01:35:08.000 I wish I told you because you and I were going back and forth when you were about to move.

01:35:12.000 Right.

01:35:12.000 Yeah, that was definitely one of the things that we were like, wait, what?

01:35:15.000 They're everywhere?

01:35:17.000 Everywhere.

01:35:18.000 Yeah.

01:35:19.000 Ticks, if you're listening to this, anywhere on the East Coast.

01:35:23.000 Especially New York has got it really bad.

01:35:26.000 I mean, there's a Lyme disease map and you see like the instances of Lyme disease on the East Coast.

01:35:30.000 It's horrific, man.

01:35:31.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:35:32.000 And I know fucking at least a dozen people that have it and it stays with you for life. 0.98

01:35:37.000 Yeah. 0.96

01:35:37.000 And my friend Jim Miller, he's a guy who fights in the UFC, he's got to take a giant fistful of pills every day. 0.96

01:35:43.000 I mean, he's got it real bad.

01:35:45.000 Yeah.

01:35:46.000 Real bad.

01:35:46.000 And he's still fighting.

01:35:47.000 Still fighting in the UFC. And those deer, too.

01:35:50.000 I've been worried about, actually, especially when we were moving out, because I was driving through Pennsylvania.

01:35:55.000 I hit Pennsylvania.

01:35:57.000 We drove cross-country at sunset and drove from there all the way to Connecticut in dark. 0.99

01:36:04.000 And all I could think is, like, I'm going to fucking hit a deer. 0.98

01:36:07.000 You see so many of them, right? 1.00

01:36:08.000 You see so many dead ones on the side of the fucking road. 1.00

01:36:11.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:36:12.000 It blows my mind.

01:36:13.000 But the biggest issue has been actually other Connecticut drivers.

01:36:18.000 It's the biggest concern.

01:36:20.000 My wife and I both have been T-boned in the last eight months.

01:36:24.000 People in Connecticut, they're just giving up, man.

01:36:27.000 They're just hitting the gas and closing their eyes. 0.97

01:36:29.000 Well, what's crazy is I've driven in LA, I've driven in New York, I've driven in fucking Oregon, Seattle, all kinds of crazy places. 0.93

01:36:37.000 But they all have a culture about how they work. 0.95

01:36:40.000 Mm-hmm.

01:36:41.000 And I could not figure out Connecticut.

01:36:44.000 And a friend finally explained it to me.

01:36:47.000 He said, they're driving as if nobody else is on the road. 0.99

01:36:52.000 I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:36:53.000 That makes perfect sense. 0.99

01:36:54.000 The choices they make are as if nobody else is there.

01:36:58.000 I'll be coming up in the passing lane.

01:37:01.000 Somebody's in the lane to the right of me.

01:37:02.000 There's no exits coming up.

01:37:04.000 There's no other cars for like half a mile.

01:37:06.000 I'm cruising probably like 5, 10 miles faster than them.

01:37:09.000 They change lanes right in front of me.

01:37:11.000 Why?

01:37:12.000 You know why?

01:37:13.000 Why?

01:37:13.000 Because let's say there's a thing that you're making, like an epoxy, right?

01:37:21.000 When you're making an epoxy there's several ingredients that you have to add to it.

01:37:25.000 Or maybe that's not the best example.

01:37:27.000 Like say maybe there's electronics.

01:37:31.000 Just whatever it is that you're making.

01:37:34.000 So if you're making a thing and it requires ten different ingredients, If you're a person in Connecticut, you have eight ingredients.

01:37:44.000 You don't have those other two and you just do without.

01:37:47.000 You just deal with it.

01:37:48.000 You're just missing two things and you just hit the gas and just drive places.

01:37:52.000 And no one knows what they're doing.

01:37:54.000 And it's not a real state.

01:37:57.000 It's just not.

01:37:57.000 Well, and what's also bonkers that we weren't expecting is that, like, unless you're driving 15 to 20 miles over the speed limit, you're going too slow.

01:38:06.000 Or, like, a stoplight and stop signs are a suggestion.

01:38:11.000 People use right or left turn.

01:38:14.000 They don't even know why they're speeding, man.

01:38:16.000 They don't know where they're going.

01:38:17.000 Where are they going?

01:38:18.000 They don't understand.

01:38:18.000 The state's so small, you could drive through the state in two and a half hours.

01:38:21.000 They're missing all sorts of stuff.

01:38:23.000 They're just so confused. 0.99

01:38:24.000 No, and I'm not trying to sit here and shit on fucking Connecticut. 1.00

01:38:27.000 Too late. 0.99

01:38:29.000 It's just...

01:38:30.000 Those things have been a serious culture shock for us.

01:38:33.000 Yeah.

01:38:34.000 It's despair.

01:38:35.000 Despair.

01:38:36.000 They hit the gas. 1.00

01:38:37.000 What's crazy is it's a fucking beautiful state. 1.00

01:38:39.000 Gorgeous. 0.99

01:38:40.000 Yeah, especially in the summer, man. 0.99

01:38:42.000 It's terrifying trying to drive around that fucking place. 0.99

01:38:44.000 And you get out of your car, you get bit by a thousand ticks, and you fucking can't walk anymore. 0.99

01:38:48.000 The humidity, too. 0.94

01:38:49.000 I was not expecting that. 0.98

01:38:50.000 It's great on your balls, right? 0.99

01:38:53.000 Ball sweat. 0.99

01:38:54.000 Yesterday I was in my shop. 0.99

01:38:54.000 I wasn't doing shit. 0.99

01:38:55.000 Like, I could have just been sitting here, like, fiddling around. 0.99

01:38:58.000 I was sweating my ass off. 0.86

01:39:00.000 Drenched.

01:39:00.000 Yeah.

01:39:01.000 Summers are rough. 0.99

01:39:01.000 I was just like, am I in fucking Florida? 0.99

01:39:05.000 What the hell? 0.99

01:39:06.000 Yeah, well, you're used to, you know, that Pacific Northwest doesn't really get that hot.

01:39:11.000 And the summers are glorious.

01:39:13.000 Like Seattle and Oregon summers, God, they're glorious. 0.97

01:39:17.000 Everything's fucking neon green. 0.93

01:39:19.000 And the sun comes out. 0.96

01:39:21.000 It's amazing.

01:39:22.000 It almost, almost makes up for the winter.

01:39:26.000 But not quite.

01:39:28.000 The lack of winter?

01:39:30.000 Just the rain?

01:39:31.000 Just the rain.

01:39:32.000 Non-stop raining.

01:39:33.000 There is a winter.

01:39:34.000 It's just not frozen.

01:39:36.000 It's tempered.

01:39:37.000 But it's just gray and doom.

01:39:41.000 And you're like, I could do this.

01:39:42.000 I could hang in there.

01:39:43.000 And then the summer comes.

01:39:44.000 You're like, hey, it's going to be fine.

01:39:46.000 But you're like a beaten wife waiting for your husband to come home.

01:39:50.000 You're like, hey, he's not home now and I got a great house.

01:39:52.000 But he's coming home.

01:39:53.000 He's coming home.

01:39:54.000 He's going to be home for eight months. 0.71

01:39:55.000 You're just going to piss on your hair for eight months. 0.99

01:39:58.000 It's just eight months of clouds and fucking craft beers and just everybody's shooting themselves. 0.99

01:40:09.000 It's dark up there, man. 0.99

01:40:11.000 I don't think people are meant to live like that.

01:40:13.000 I mean, I think it's gorgeous and there's benefits to it for sure.

01:40:16.000 Yeah.

01:40:16.000 But I had a buddy of mine.

01:40:18.000 He tried to convince me to live up there.

01:40:19.000 It's hilarious.

01:40:20.000 My friend Salami.

01:40:21.000 He moved to Portland.

01:40:22.000 Salami.

01:40:22.000 That's his name.

01:40:23.000 Okay.

01:40:23.000 He tried to move to Portland.

01:40:25.000 He did move to Portland.

01:40:26.000 He's teaching jiu-jitsu up there.

01:40:27.000 Dude, I love it. 0.98

01:40:28.000 It's fucking great up here. 0.99

01:40:29.000 It's fucking amazing. 0.99

01:40:31.000 I go, you don't mind about the winter? 0.98

01:40:32.000 You don't mind about the rain?

01:40:33.000 He goes, no. 0.93

01:40:34.000 He goes, dude, the people are so fucking cool.

01:40:37.000 The restaurants are amazing. 0.76

01:40:38.000 And the summers are so good.

01:40:40.000 Three years later, he's back in LA. I go, what happened?

01:40:42.000 He goes, I couldn't do it, man.

01:40:43.000 Couldn't do it anymore.

01:40:45.000 I go, ah, I see.

01:40:47.000 So it's a thing.

01:40:48.000 It's like you hang in there for as long as you can, but you can't hang in there forever.

01:40:53.000 Is that what it is?

01:40:53.000 But some people can.

01:40:55.000 I can hang. 0.99

01:40:56.000 You know, a lot of people have seasonal depression syndrome or some shit like that. 0.99

01:41:01.000 Do you think it's because you grew up there? 0.95

01:41:03.000 I don't think so, because my sister and my mom both grew up there too, my wife even.

01:41:07.000 They can't handle it.

01:41:08.000 They hate it, especially the wintertime.

01:41:10.000 The wintertime.

01:41:11.000 When it is that dark gray, like it doesn't snow, it just rains.

01:41:16.000 It just gets dark.

01:41:17.000 I guess I think part of my issue is, like I said, I always worked in restaurants or in a shop. 0.99

01:41:23.000 So it's like I'm in a virtual cave all the fucking time. 0.95

01:41:27.000 So I'm not experiencing that except for the drive home or to work. 0.98

01:41:32.000 What's up, Jamie?

01:41:33.000 You just said SADD as I was looking up seasonal affective disorder.

01:41:36.000 That's the acronym they give it.

01:41:37.000 Yeah.

01:41:37.000 SADD. That's what it is, bro.

01:41:40.000 That shit's real. 1.00

01:41:42.000 I mean, they probably called it that on purpose. 1.00

01:41:44.000 I mean, I don't think they needed to call it seasonal affective disorder.

01:41:48.000 That's not the best. 0.99

01:41:50.000 Feel like shit because of the rain disease. 0.99

01:41:53.000 Well, isn't it something about the lack of vitamin D? I'll tell you what, though. 1.00

01:41:59.000 There's light therapy.

01:42:00.000 I'll take it over Connecticut all day.

01:42:04.000 I'll take Seattle over Connecticut all day.

01:42:08.000 All day.

01:42:09.000 You know what I dream about sometimes is Denver.

01:42:12.000 You live in Connecticut?

01:42:12.000 I lived in Denver for only a few months.

01:42:16.000 People that live in Connecticut right now go, what the fuck, dude? 1.00

01:42:20.000 It's a running gag, folks. 0.99

01:42:21.000 I don't really care.

01:42:23.000 Actually, when we first moved to Connecticut...

01:42:25.000 Denver's amazing. 0.99

01:42:25.000 Denver's fucking beautiful. 0.99

01:42:27.000 I fucking love Denver. 0.99

01:42:28.000 Love it. 0.98

01:42:29.000 Love it.

01:42:30.000 When I first moved there, I grew up in Washington, right at the base of the Puget Sound.

01:42:35.000 Water around me.

01:42:36.000 I actually used to sail on a racing team and stuff like that.

01:42:39.000 I was like, I'm going to miss the water so much.

01:42:41.000 And it was so green, too.

01:42:43.000 I got there and I was like...

01:42:45.000 I don't think I care about the water.

01:42:46.000 I care about the green.

01:42:47.000 But the second the spring rains hit, everything turned green.

01:42:51.000 All the trees started blossoming. 0.99

01:42:52.000 I was like, holy shit. 0.99

01:42:53.000 And it was beautiful. 1.00

01:42:55.000 Beautiful. 1.00

01:42:57.000 The only thing I hated about Denver, everybody had a fucking dog and nobody cleaned up the dog shit. 1.00

01:43:03.000 That was everywhere. 1.00

01:43:06.000 Lazy bitches. 1.00

01:43:07.000 I just didn't understand it. 1.00

01:43:08.000 It's probably worse now.

01:43:10.000 It's probably worse now because of all the free pot.

01:43:12.000 All the legal pot.

01:43:13.000 It's everywhere.

01:43:14.000 But you know what it has that's amazing, man, is the view of the mountains.

01:43:19.000 There's something about being right there and seeing those Rockies that just, like, humbles you. 0.74

01:43:23.000 It puts it in perspective.

01:43:25.000 That's what being in Puget sounds like as well because you always got Mount Rainier.

01:43:30.000 It's crazy like the road the cities were engineered so like you're coming up and down hills and like BOOM! The fucking mountain is a monster. 1.00

01:43:39.000 Mount Rainier is a monster. 1.00

01:43:40.000 Yeah, that's amazing man.

01:43:41.000 We went up looking for Bigfoot up there once, me and Duncan.

01:43:45.000 Yeah, we found them.

01:43:46.000 We just didn't want to tell anybody.

01:43:48.000 Yeah, that area too is so densely wooded.

01:43:52.000 It's really incredible.

01:43:53.000 When you go walking through the woods, you don't make any sound when you walk.

01:43:57.000 You don't leave any footprints because there's just feet thick of pine needles and moss.

01:44:03.000 Moss and needles.

01:44:04.000 It's just so soft and it's interesting.

01:44:07.000 Lush.

01:44:07.000 And filled with elk, man.

01:44:08.000 There's elk everywhere up there.

01:44:10.000 They run like 30 feet and you can't see them anymore.

01:44:14.000 Because there's, like, so many trees. 0.99

01:44:15.000 Yeah, they're fucking gone. 0.95

01:44:17.000 My in-laws, they live south of Olympia. 0.99

01:44:19.000 And they have 16 acres out there.

01:44:23.000 And, like, three or...

01:44:25.000 I think it's, like, four or five that are, like, cleared for, like, a field and a barn and a house and stuff.

01:44:29.000 The rest of it's all wooden.

01:44:31.000 Wow. 0.99

01:44:31.000 Then they got black bears that cruise through there, large cats, or, like, bobcats and lynx and shit. 0.99

01:44:37.000 And elk, for sure. 0.93

01:44:38.000 And they have an orchard, and the elk are just out there standing on their hind legs.

01:44:41.000 Brr, brr, brr. 1.00

01:44:42.000 We're eating that shit up. 1.00

01:44:44.000 They're beautiful. 1.00

01:44:45.000 They're cool to watch, too.

01:44:46.000 Yeah.

01:44:46.000 I mean, that is a lush, tropical rainforest up there.

01:44:50.000 It's so wild.

01:44:51.000 It's so interesting, too.

01:44:53.000 When you're up there, you realize how diverse it is with life when you're walking around in it. 0.99

01:44:59.000 And you see just elk shit everywhere. 0.99

01:45:01.000 You go walking through the woods. 0.99

01:45:03.000 It's just infested with them.

01:45:04.000 It piles all these little pellets.

01:45:06.000 Little marbles.

01:45:07.000 Yeah.

01:45:08.000 Yeah, it's gorgeous, man.

01:45:11.000 There's so much life up there.

01:45:13.000 There's salmon.

01:45:14.000 There's so much salmon.

01:45:15.000 There's eagles up there.

01:45:16.000 I mean, it's gorgeous, man. 1.00

01:45:18.000 Yet here you are in fucking Connecticut. 1.00

01:45:21.000 Mushroom hunting. 1.00

01:45:22.000 There's all kinds of stuff.

01:45:23.000 You can really live off the land.

01:45:25.000 There's some great spots to go.

01:45:26.000 Chantrelling and Olympia area.

01:45:27.000 Love getting out in the woods and just walking around.

01:45:30.000 It's actually been really cool.

01:45:32.000 Especially when we go back in the summertime.

01:45:34.000 Especially in the summertime to go visit family.

01:45:37.000 To take my little dude. 0.99

01:45:39.000 My son's two years old.

01:45:40.000 He just turned two.

01:45:41.000 And so walking with him. 0.96

01:45:42.000 And he just fucking loves it. 0.94

01:45:44.000 Walking through the... 1.00

01:45:45.000 And you don't have to worry about the fucking ticks. 1.00

01:45:47.000 You can get lime and shit like that. 1.00

01:45:49.000 You can go out there and roll around all you want. 0.97

01:45:51.000 But going up, they have a nice little quarter mile trail.

01:45:56.000 Goes up through the woods.

01:45:57.000 And you just walk through that thing. 0.99

01:45:58.000 He just marches along the whole fucking way. 0.99

01:46:02.000 Just that experience of stopping and listening. 0.99

01:46:04.000 You can hear the red-tailed hawk crying over the top of everything else.

01:46:08.000 They have great horned owls from time to time that Krusta was there.

01:46:12.000 You can hear the little chipmunks and red squirrels. 0.99

01:46:15.000 You can hear the fucking crows and the stellar jays. 0.99

01:46:19.000 Yeah, everything. 1.00

01:46:20.000 And telling him, stop.

01:46:22.000 You hear that?

01:46:23.000 You hear that?

01:46:24.000 And he just stops.

01:46:25.000 And he's so intense. 0.70

01:46:27.000 And it's wild to see a little kid who's so fucking rambunctious when he's in the house, but you get him out into the woods. 0.92

01:46:35.000 I'm overwhelmed with senses. 0.98

01:46:36.000 He's just listening.

01:46:37.000 There's so much sensory input, right?

01:46:39.000 It's so cool.

01:46:40.000 Yeah.

01:46:41.000 Isn't it amazing, too, looking at it through the eyes of your child?

01:46:44.000 Yeah.

01:46:44.000 Just watching them experiencing all these things?

01:46:47.000 It's like you can almost see the little cogs turning in their head. 1.00

01:46:52.000 They're just like, oh, shit. 1.00

01:46:54.000 What is that? 1.00

01:46:54.000 No, it's amazing. 1.00

01:46:55.000 That's one thing that I didn't anticipate before...

01:46:58.000 We had children.

01:46:59.000 It's like watching them learn.

01:47:01.000 Like, oh wow, there's a crazy trip you get out of watching kids learn.

01:47:05.000 You know, there's something about, like, you learn, watching them learn.

01:47:11.000 And it really sort of reinforces this idea that every human being is essentially, I mean, they're not a blank slate, but they are most certainly Subject to the influences of their environment, what they experience.

01:47:25.000 Especially at those ages.

01:47:26.000 They take that data in.

01:47:27.000 Yeah.

01:47:28.000 Dude, it's crazy.

01:47:28.000 Like, we have...

01:47:30.000 He loves maps.

01:47:30.000 We got...

01:47:31.000 Maps?

01:47:32.000 Maps.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, we got...

01:47:33.000 Oh, wow.

01:47:33.000 You know how, like, a lot of kids get those, like, bedroom mats that have, like, the roads and stuff?

01:47:38.000 Mm-hmm.

01:47:38.000 We got one of the...

01:47:40.000 Like, the globe.

01:47:41.000 And none of the countries are marked out on it or anything.

01:47:43.000 But we knew some of the spots.

01:47:45.000 And so, we started teaching...

01:47:47.000 Like, he knows where, like, over a hundred different countries are.

01:47:50.000 Like...

01:47:51.000 He knows where they're at.

01:47:52.000 He knows where they're at.

01:47:54.000 He can point out the difference between Cambodia, Guam, Vietnam, Nepal, Russia, like Russia and China are pretty easy. 0.93

01:48:02.000 But then you go over to Europe, he's like Hungary, Turkey, Greece.

01:48:06.000 He knows those?

01:48:07.000 He knows where Portugal is.

01:48:08.000 Dude, I can show you three.

01:48:10.000 I can tell you where Africa is. 0.55

01:48:12.000 I'm pretty sure I know the difference between Australia and New Zealand.

01:48:14.000 The only reason I know them is because I'm playing the game with them.

01:48:17.000 So we got more maps that have like the world again, but everything's marked out.

01:48:22.000 And he's starting to learn all the different flags.

01:48:24.000 That's crazy.

01:48:25.000 He knows like at least a dozen of the different flags.

01:48:27.000 They're so open, you know.

01:48:29.000 Children, I mean, they learn language so quick.

01:48:33.000 They're so open.

01:48:34.000 I mean, think about kids learn language by the time they go to school.

01:48:37.000 They already know how to talk.

01:48:38.000 They don't learn school.

01:48:40.000 They just learn how to talk.

01:48:41.000 Well, my wife has her master's degree at the university level for teaching English as a second language.

01:48:46.000 And she's with him all day long.

01:48:48.000 Oh, wow.

01:48:49.000 And she comes from a family of teachers.

01:48:53.000 Both of her parents, her sister, her great-grandmother, or sorry, her grandmother, all educators.

01:49:00.000 This must be amazing for her to be a mom then. 0.99

01:49:02.000 Yeah and so she's with a dude all day long like she fucking loves the shit of him but you know like you try spending fucking day in and day out with the little dude like the little the little fucking numbskulls running around and trying to learn how to interact with the world yeah it's fucking crazy but it's so cool and and with that background understanding how to interpret what's going on in his brain a little bit so to help nourish it essentially and Yeah. 0.95

01:49:35.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:49:37.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:49:52.000 Fucking killer knives that he's made, these chef's knives. 1.00

01:49:56.000 Is that the one that's going up? 1.00

01:49:57.000 I think so.

01:49:58.000 God, look how beautiful that is.

01:49:59.000 We're looking at his Mousy Fire Arts Instagram page, and the design, the pattern on this chef's knife, it doesn't even look real, folks.

01:50:11.000 I mean, it looks like someone's...

01:50:13.000 It looks like someone put one of those crazy cartoon filters.

01:50:18.000 Oh, yeah.

01:50:18.000 Doesn't it?

01:50:19.000 Is that it? 1.00

01:50:20.000 That's the fucking knife. 1.00

01:50:20.000 That's the knife right there. 1.00

01:50:22.000 There's that one.

01:50:23.000 So people can see it.

01:50:24.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:50:24.000 Here it is right here.

01:50:25.000 I'm holding it up.

01:50:26.000 So this knife is for auction.

01:50:28.000 No, actually, that one is not.

01:50:31.000 This one here in the cases.

01:50:32.000 You can pull that out.

01:50:33.000 And how can people auction?

01:50:35.000 How can people bid on this?

01:50:36.000 So this is for benefit for LA Loves Alex's Lemonade Stand, which is for childhood cancer research.

01:50:48.000 Smells good.

01:50:50.000 If you go to my Instagram profile, I have a link actually in my bio that goes straight to the auction page for this knife.

01:51:01.000 Now these knives are, right now my current prices, this one knife is $4,200.

01:51:07.000 But right now I think the bidding is at like, oh there it is.

01:51:11.000 $2,100.

01:51:12.000 So there's a chance that somebody could get it for less than what I would normally value.

01:51:17.000 When does it end?

01:51:19.000 The auction ends on Saturday the 8th.

01:51:21.000 So that's when the actual event is.

01:51:23.000 And I'm actually going to be there at the event, hanging out.

01:51:26.000 If anybody's got any questions about it, talk about it.

01:51:29.000 Or, you know, just kind of hang out.

01:51:31.000 That's dope. 0.93

01:51:33.000 You know, it's interesting.

01:51:35.000 Like, doing this kind of work is the first time I've ever had anything that I felt like I could give back with.

01:51:40.000 Because otherwise, like, I always just did shitty little jobs.

01:51:44.000 But this is the first time I feel like I have something I can offer.

01:51:47.000 So, and coming up from very little, very humble beginnings, this was an opportunity now to feel like I can give back.

01:51:54.000 And so, I try to do this from time to time.

01:51:56.000 That's very cool.

01:51:57.000 For sure.

01:51:57.000 Well, listen, man, I'm glad we finally got together.

01:51:59.000 Absolutely.

01:52:00.000 And thank you for making me these awesome knives.

01:52:02.000 I will cherish them forever.

01:52:03.000 Absolutely.

01:52:03.000 It's my pleasure, my man.

01:52:04.000 You're a fucking amazing craftsman. 0.99

01:52:06.000 Thank you. 0.99

01:52:06.000 It was cool to do this. 0.99

01:52:07.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:52:07.000 Thanks for being here.

01:52:08.000 All right, folks. 0.99

01:52:09.000 We'll be back soon, you fucks. 1.00

01:52:12.000 Bye. 1.00

01:52:13.000 Bye-bye.

The Joe Rogan Experience - September 06, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1168 - Mareko Maumasi

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