The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1181 - John Dudley

00:00:00.000 Let's get squirrely.

00:00:01.000 Four, three, two, one, boom. 0.96

00:00:06.000 I gotta ask Donnie Vincent who made that knife.

00:00:08.000 Because people always ask me about it.

00:00:10.000 It's awesome.

00:00:11.000 I could have used it on Saturday. 0.98

00:00:13.000 Oh, when the shit got squirrely at the UFC? The side that you guys were on, where you guys were in the crowd, did anybody jump towards you that way? 0.98

00:00:22.000 No, the crowd mainly started.

00:00:25.000 It was...

00:00:25.000 Because we were...

00:00:26.000 I'm pretty sure we had...

00:00:29.000 Irish right in front of us, and right in front of them was some of Khabib's guys.

00:00:34.000 And Khabib's guys were turning around, just literally throwing the fingers right to the Irish guys the whole time.

00:00:43.000 So then once that happened, it was like...

00:00:46.000 I was lucky, though.

00:00:48.000 I had Aubrey and Whitney right there.

00:00:51.000 They were there to protect you.

00:00:53.000 Yeah, they were in full throw-down mode.

00:00:55.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:00:56.000 I was one of the dumb people just kind of looking around like... 0.98

00:01:00.000 They were going to throw mushrooms at everybody? 0.98

00:01:02.000 Yeah, is there any immediate danger?

00:01:03.000 No.

00:01:04.000 I mean, obviously it seemed way worse over on your side, but I was more worried when they made us leave because the further up you got in the bleachers and once you got out into the concession area and in the bathrooms, that's where stuff was going down.

00:01:20.000 Like just people from the crowd...

00:01:22.000 You know guys with Irish flags all obviously were getting trash talk to them and there was a big brawl right yeah right next to me on the other side from where they were sitting oh that's right there was one just to our right I was looking left I believe it was the guy that jumped in in the red shirt on Khabib's team when they were trying to leave when they're getting them out mmm people in the crowd are like ah they start throwing shit at them first like that's how the that's where the first shit was getting thrown down and some people know that it was them We all saw them. 0.97

00:01:50.000 The guy next to me was like, that's the guy. 0.99

00:01:52.000 That's the guy right there, right?

00:01:53.000 And I was like, I don't know.

00:01:54.000 And he went and tried to do something.

00:01:56.000 And I was like, good luck.

00:01:57.000 I don't know what you're doing, bud. 1.00

00:01:58.000 You know, there's a price to be paid for all this shit. 1.00

00:02:02.000 Like, all the drama and the trash talking that makes it so fun, it also has the potential for blowing up in your face. 0.99

00:02:09.000 Ultimately, a couple people got punched, but it was in an event where a bunch of people got punched.

00:02:16.000 You know what I mean?

00:02:16.000 Way more than that.

00:02:17.000 It was awesome.

00:02:18.000 Yeah, but you know what I'm saying?

00:02:20.000 It seemed like it was way worse than it really was because...

00:02:26.000 In any other situation, it would be way worse than it really was.

00:02:29.000 Like, if it was a rock concert, and some dudes just from, you know, like, you know, if one band was the opening band, and then there was another band that was in a brawl with them, and they were the main event, and then the fans of one band threw down with the fans,

00:02:45.000 the other band beat the shit out of each other.

00:02:47.000 That would, for whatever reason, be way worse than when it's at a fight. 0.94

00:02:52.000 Because if it's at a fight, it's just fighters.

00:02:54.000 Oh, I saw this. 1.00

00:02:55.000 The insane clown. 0.99

00:02:57.000 This was going on. 0.99

00:02:58.000 This insane clown posse guy tried to dropkick Fred Durst. 0.92

00:03:03.000 Fred Durst wasn't even looking at him. 0.97

00:03:05.000 Running head start and misses.

00:03:07.000 Look at him.

00:03:08.000 He turns around.

00:03:08.000 He's like, what?

00:03:10.000 And he just kept going.

00:03:11.000 I haven't seen Fred in years.

00:03:12.000 And then they dragged that dude off.

00:03:14.000 I mean, that is maybe the worst public dropkick in the history of the world.

00:03:21.000 I think they meant he dropped when he tried to kick.

00:03:24.000 Well, he tried.

00:03:24.000 That was a classic dropkick.

00:03:26.000 Classic pro wrestling dropkick.

00:03:28.000 But his problem is he threw it like a pro wrestler would, where you don't really hit the guy.

00:03:33.000 You know what I mean?

00:03:33.000 He just kind of touched him.

00:03:35.000 And if Fred was playing along, it would have been awesome.

00:03:37.000 We need a slow-mo replay.

00:03:38.000 Fred would have went flying, and it would have been, you know... 1.00

00:03:42.000 Fuck. 0.99

00:03:43.000 I think a lot of the thing that's going through people's minds, too, is when you're in a fight like that, there's a lot of people in the crowd that can throw down. 1.00

00:03:53.000 Yes.

00:03:53.000 It's not like, you know, you go to a, well, if you go to a hard rock concert of any kind, Clay Guida's going to be there somewhere, obviously.

00:04:01.000 Yeah.

00:04:02.000 But as long as you can avoid clay, your opportunity of finding a guy that can really throw cuffs is going to be way smaller.

00:04:10.000 When you're at the UFC and you look around, it's hard not to see cauliflower ear. 0.99

00:04:14.000 Someone who's in the crowd that's just a shit talker, he knows if I just turn around and talk shit, I could get wrapped up and be dead quick. 1.00

00:04:25.000 Yeah, that's a very high number of people that could fuck you up at one of those events. 1.00

00:04:30.000 It's probably like 30%. 0.99

00:04:32.000 30% of the people in the audience actually know how to fight.

00:04:35.000 That's high.

00:04:35.000 I think it'd be higher at a UFC. At least a basic.

00:04:40.000 I think it's about 30%.

00:04:42.000 I'd say about 30%.

00:04:43.000 I feel like if you just, like, parse the audience out, like, how many of you guys have ever been punched?

00:04:49.000 How many guys have ever fucked somebody up?

00:04:50.000 How many guys actually train?

00:04:52.000 How many guys know how to train and, like, do it on a regular basis?

00:04:55.000 How many guys are in shape? 0.99

00:04:56.000 Like, if shit went down, how many guys could actually throw down for a solid 30 seconds? 0.99

00:05:02.000 Yeah, that's... 0.99

00:05:03.000 That's where I would shine.

00:05:06.000 I'm going to ride this out for two minutes, and then these giraffe elk legs are getting ready to freaking start dancing on some people. 1.00

00:05:15.000 I'm going to let some people spaz out for a little while, and then I'm good.

00:05:19.000 When people were talking about Conor and his conditioning for this fight, one of the things that Cam Haynes said was he needs to start running.

00:05:31.000 Go run in the hills.

00:05:32.000 That ain't going to help. 0.86

00:05:35.000 It would help some, but the thing is when someone's wrestling you and they're on top of you fucking you up like that, You're just getting drained. 0.98

00:05:45.000 It's like a vampire just sucking blood out of you. 0.99

00:05:49.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:05:50.000 You're exhausted.

00:05:50.000 You're carrying all their weight, and you're getting beat up, and you're stressed, and you're trying to move, and you can't breathe well because the person's weight is on top of you, so you're not getting real breaths, and you're constantly resisting their weight, and it's way easier for them than it is for you.

00:06:07.000 It's way easier to stay on top than it is to be on the bottom.

00:06:10.000 It's a disaster.

00:06:11.000 Well, people that grew up wrestling, you look at Miller, Mendez, Guida, those guys have experienced that forever.

00:06:22.000 It's ingrained in them.

00:06:24.000 Most wrestlers don't lose a classic wrestling physique, even as adults.

00:06:29.000 They still look like they're...

00:06:32.000 Like, they were guys that were real athletic at one time.

00:06:35.000 You know, I remember one of the first things my dad taught me, you know, when I was younger in school, he's like, you know, I think it was after the first guy, you know, wanted to fight me on the playground.

00:06:46.000 He's like, you know, if you don't know if the guy's good at fighting, don't worry about it unless he's a wrestler.

00:06:51.000 He's like, just if it's a wrestler, try to back down because he's like, you don't know what to do.

00:06:57.000 Smart dad.

00:06:58.000 And yeah, it was classic.

00:06:59.000 This weekend when I was watching that fight, I'm like, okay, here we go.

00:07:03.000 This is just a classic.

00:07:06.000 Connor had like 30 seconds at the start of those rounds, and then it was just a mauling.

00:07:11.000 Yeah, well, John Cavanaugh, who's Connor's trainer, will be here next.

00:07:14.000 He's going to be here at 11. And we'll get a chance to talk to him and see what the fuck he thinks and what happened. 0.77

00:07:22.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:07:23.000 The bottom line is that guy is so much better than him as a grappler.

00:07:27.000 So much better.

00:07:28.000 I mean, he is on such a high level.

00:07:31.000 When I talk to Daniel Cormier, Daniel Cormier says that guy schools world-class wrestlers in the gym.

00:07:37.000 Just throws people around.

00:07:39.000 Yeah, assassins.

00:07:40.000 Like, probably one after another.

00:07:42.000 I mean, imagine the training.

00:07:44.000 He's a special talent.

00:07:45.000 He's been wrestling since he was a little kid, man.

00:07:47.000 I mean, he really has.

00:07:49.000 You ever see the video of him wrestling a bear?

00:07:52.000 No, but I want to.

00:07:53.000 You never saw it?

00:07:54.000 No, but I want to. 0.98

00:07:55.000 It's fucking hilarious. 0.98

00:07:56.000 It's him wrestling a brown bear. 0.99

00:07:59.000 It's like a small brown bear.

00:08:01.000 Like a Russian brown bear.

00:08:03.000 Like our version of a grizzly in Russia. 1.00

00:08:06.000 And he's fucking wrestling it. 0.99

00:08:07.000 So you're saying like a coastal peninsula bear. 1.00

00:08:09.000 Yeah.

00:08:09.000 Like a peninsula.

00:08:09.000 Yeah.

00:08:10.000 Look.

00:08:12.000 What is happening?

00:08:14.000 Yeah, that's him.

00:08:14.000 When he's a little kid.

00:08:16.000 Look at this. 1.00

00:08:18.000 I mean, first of all, who the fuck lets their kid wrestle a bear? 0.99

00:08:23.000 And the bear's biting him. 1.00

00:08:24.000 The bear's biting him.

00:08:25.000 Look at this bear's biting his clothes. 0.51

00:08:26.000 The bear's a total cheater.

00:08:28.000 Which prepared him for Conor this weekend.

00:08:30.000 Because Conor did a lot of cheating.

00:08:32.000 Okay.

00:08:32.000 If I would have saw this, I would be making a bet.

00:08:35.000 He gave up position because of the bite.

00:08:37.000 See that?

00:08:38.000 He was on top, and the bear bit him, and he let the bear get on top.

00:08:41.000 Now he's on top.

00:08:42.000 Yep, it's over.

00:08:43.000 Look at this.

00:08:44.000 But it's not.

00:08:45.000 Bears are squirrely, man, and bears have a really good guard.

00:08:48.000 Oh, yeah.

00:08:49.000 Look at the double leg.

00:08:50.000 He's laughing.

00:08:51.000 That is awesome.

00:08:53.000 That's him as a little boy.

00:08:54.000 Look at that.

00:08:55.000 1997. See, we can't do that stuff in America.

00:08:58.000 I know.

00:08:59.000 That's why we're going to lose.

00:09:00.000 I mean, imagine if Mendez got to go out and just wrestle bears.

00:09:03.000 Look how little he is, too.

00:09:05.000 I mean, he's a little kid there, man.

00:09:06.000 He looks like he's about eight years old.

00:09:08.000 Actually, I think in the neighborhood I grew up, with the Guidas, they probably had one of these in their garage. 1.00

00:09:13.000 A bear?

00:09:14.000 Yeah, Clay and Jason. 0.99

00:09:17.000 They were both kind of nuts. 0.87

00:09:18.000 Maybe they did wrestle some bears. 0.98

00:09:20.000 What state was that?

00:09:22.000 It was in Illinois.

00:09:23.000 Northern Illinois.

00:09:23.000 So that would be a black bear?

00:09:25.000 Johnsburg.

00:09:26.000 Yeah, probably.

00:09:27.000 This is awesome.

00:09:28.000 It's crazy.

00:09:30.000 You know what's interesting?

00:09:31.000 I've been...

00:09:32.000 Why doesn't he bite back?

00:09:34.000 Didn't get that training.

00:09:35.000 Yeah, don't do that because then the bear's really going to get into it. 1.00

00:09:37.000 Look at the bear's trying to bite his head and shit. 0.99

00:09:40.000 Well, it's a little bear. 0.99

00:09:41.000 But his dad just like let him ride it out.

00:09:43.000 He's good.

00:09:44.000 Well, the bear is obviously being nice.

00:09:46.000 They're having fun.

00:09:47.000 You know, it's like when a dog is biting you when you're playing with them and they're not trying to hurt you.

00:09:52.000 Look at that. 0.91

00:09:52.000 But the bear's also on a chain, which is kind of fucked up, because the bear can't circle correctly. 0.91

00:09:58.000 Yeah, but think of those... 0.81

00:09:58.000 I mean, that bear is... 0.81

00:10:00.000 Look at that guard.

00:10:01.000 Very good.

00:10:02.000 Bears have a very good guard.

00:10:03.000 Look at...

00:10:03.000 This is awesome.

00:10:05.000 He shoots in low.

00:10:07.000 I mean... 1.00

00:10:08.000 Russians are a fucking different breed, man. 1.00

00:10:11.000 Yeah, exactly. 1.00

00:10:12.000 They're a different breed. 1.00

00:10:13.000 And as things are hard over there, we try to make things softer and softer over here.

00:10:17.000 We're giving kids participation trophies.

00:10:19.000 We don't want bullying.

00:10:22.000 They're like, we're bringing a grizzly into the assembly and we're going to wrestle grizzlies today. 0.99

00:10:27.000 Yeah, how old are you?

00:10:27.000 Eight and you haven't wrestled a grizzly yet?

00:10:29.000 What are you, a pussy? 1.00

00:10:30.000 Yeah, here we go. 1.00

00:10:31.000 Come on.

00:10:32.000 A couple shots of vodka, grizzly bear.

00:10:34.000 Well, you're seeing a lot of very, very tough guys come from that part of the world.

00:10:40.000 Yeah.

00:10:40.000 And they're fighting in combat sports now.

00:10:42.000 Not just guys.

00:10:42.000 Yeah.

00:10:43.000 Women, yeah. 1.00

00:10:43.000 Not just guys. 1.00

00:10:45.000 And as much as we're talking about wrestling, he impressed me stand-up.

00:10:51.000 Oh yeah, he cracked Connor with that big right hand.

00:10:53.000 He stood up enough to just say, you know, I'm going to sit here and take a few, and I'm going to give a few, but then he went to probably what his game plan was, I would assume.

00:11:04.000 Well, you have to stand for a little while, because if he just shoots in, he'll get caught with a knee or caught with a punch rushing in.

00:11:11.000 But he, I mean, he landed the bigger shot.

00:11:15.000 There was one big, giant shot that was landed in that fight, and it was by hand.

00:11:19.000 I mean, Conor hit him with some pretty good front kicks to the body and some other things, but didn't really get much off on the feet.

00:11:25.000 Not like classic left jabs that just break people down.

00:11:28.000 Yeah, and on the ground, he just got mauled.

00:11:32.000 And it's one of those things where you see that guy, in the beginning, guys fight him off a little bit, and then as the fight wears on, he just gets more and more dominant.

00:11:41.000 They get more and more exhausted.

00:11:43.000 Really, this fight just makes Al Iaquinta look like a god.

00:11:46.000 I mean, that's the most impressive thing about it.

00:11:49.000 Al Iaquinta went five rounds with him, stood toe-to-toe with him, and gave him at least a struggle.

00:11:56.000 At least he gave him a bit of adversity.

00:11:58.000 You know, managed to survive on the ground much better than Conor did.

00:12:02.000 Managed to get back up to his feet.

00:12:04.000 Managed to stuff a bunch of takedowns.

00:12:06.000 And on the feet was a real threat.

00:12:08.000 You know, I mean, obviously Khabib didn't prepare for Al Iaquinta.

00:12:12.000 He prepared for Conor.

00:12:13.000 But Al Iaquinta didn't even prepare for five rounds.

00:12:15.000 He only prepared for three.

00:12:17.000 So there was so much to that fight.

00:12:21.000 What do you think will happen with Conor now?

00:12:23.000 I'm worried what happens with Khabib. 0.71

00:12:25.000 I hope they sit everybody down and they go, look, everybody's alright.

00:12:31.000 Come on.

00:12:32.000 The guy who rushed in the cage and punched Conor in the face, that guy should be in the most trouble. 0.98

00:12:39.000 The guy just fought four rounds, got the fuck beaten out of him, got choked. 0.98

00:12:44.000 I heard a lot of people... 0.99

00:12:46.000 There's a lot of silly non-experts out there saying that that wasn't a choke or that wasn't a neck crank. 1.00

00:12:52.000 They don't know what the fuck they're talking about. 1.00

00:12:55.000 That is absolutely a neck crank. 0.99

00:12:57.000 When someone gets their arm around your head like that and then what they do is they grab it like this and they pinch the elbow They put the forearm on his back, like this.

00:13:10.000 So as the arm is across the neck, and then they grip it like this, and the forearm goes into the back, and as you're pulling like this, you're pushing with your forearm and yanking with your hand.

00:13:19.000 It is a terrible neck crank.

00:13:23.000 Dean Lister actually has a video on it.

00:13:25.000 He calls it the fulcrum choke.

00:13:28.000 And it's a nasty choke.

00:13:30.000 So, you know, I thought he was going under the neck.

00:13:33.000 Here, you can see it here.

00:13:34.000 Dean Lister, who's a world champion, Brazilian jiu-jitsu black belt.

00:13:39.000 And that's my friend Hans.

00:13:40.000 Hans Molenkamp behind him.

00:13:42.000 Now watch how he does this.

00:13:43.000 See how he's grabbing a hold of it.

00:13:46.000 And what he's going to do is he's going to clamp his hands.

00:13:48.000 See how he grips his hands?

00:13:50.000 Yep.

00:13:51.000 It crushes the esophagus.

00:13:53.000 No, no, no.

00:13:54.000 It can go right over your face.

00:13:55.000 It can go over your neck.

00:13:57.000 It can go over your face. 1.00

00:13:58.000 It can go over your fucking cheekbones. 1.00

00:14:00.000 It doesn't matter. 0.99

00:14:01.000 It doesn't even have to go under the chin.

00:14:02.000 If it goes under the chin, that's awesome.

00:14:04.000 But you see what's going on with his forearm?

00:14:07.000 See how he's pulling with his arms?

00:14:09.000 Yeah, or you could do it.

00:14:11.000 Some guys do it like this, but I think this is probably the best way to do it. 0.99

00:14:14.000 But as you're right here, this part just digs that elbow.

00:14:18.000 Yeah, perfect.

00:14:20.000 Perfect example.

00:14:20.000 See, he's pulling on it with his right arm, and then his left arm is pushing down with his forearm on Connor's shoulder.

00:14:29.000 It is a nasty, nasty neck crank. 0.95

00:14:31.000 And your head is getting popped off. 1.00

00:14:34.000 And first of all, that guy could squeeze the shit out of you. 1.00

00:14:37.000 There's a bunch of guys who could put you to sleep like that. 1.00

00:14:41.000 Marcelo Garcia is one.

00:14:42.000 He puts guys to sleep without even getting under the chin.

00:14:45.000 He just gets your head in there and squeezes.

00:14:48.000 Eddie Bravo can do that too.

00:14:50.000 If he gets your head in there, it doesn't even have to be under the chin. 1.00

00:14:54.000 He just really puts you to sleep with your own fucking head. 1.00

00:14:58.000 Just wraps it around your head and squeezes it so tight that no blood is getting to your brain. 1.00

00:15:05.000 Yeah, so there's a lot of armchair quarterbacks out there saying that that wasn't a net crank.

00:15:09.000 You're incorrect. 1.00

00:15:11.000 And have Dean Lister do that shit to you. 1.00

00:15:14.000 And you will know... 1.00

00:15:15.000 I'm pretty sure I had Jocko do that to me.

00:15:17.000 My throat is still...

00:15:19.000 You don't want that?

00:15:20.000 No.

00:15:20.000 Why were you rolling with Jocko?

00:15:21.000 That is a terrible idea.

00:15:23.000 Why did he do that to you?

00:15:25.000 What did you do to him?

00:15:29.000 I don't know.

00:15:30.000 You were just trying to learn, right?

00:15:31.000 Yeah, I was trying to learn.

00:15:32.000 And he said, well, who wants to roll?

00:15:35.000 And I just said, me.

00:15:36.000 Yeah.

00:15:37.000 And he kind of just looked at me.

00:15:39.000 He's like, well, just try to do something.

00:15:44.000 But you're taking classes now, right?

00:15:46.000 You're taking 10th class?

00:15:46.000 When I can, yeah.

00:15:47.000 Yeah, I've got one in Altoona, Iowa.

00:15:50.000 So thanks to you and Eddie for hooking me up with Damien.

00:15:53.000 Shout out.

00:15:54.000 Shout out to Damien.

00:15:55.000 What's super important is drilling.

00:15:57.000 That's the most important thing in the beginning.

00:16:00.000 It's sort of like...

00:16:03.000 There's very there's parallels in archery for sure because archery it's What's really important is your technique your technique is almost everything like doing everything correctly and that's the same thing with jujitsu same thing with Muay Thai Taekwondo anything it's just technique and doing it over and over again correctly until it's ingrained in your system and Yeah,

00:16:28.000 it's information overload, for sure.

00:16:30.000 That's one of the hardest parts for me is I'm so new at it that I feel like my cognitive functioning is not at a level to take in.

00:16:39.000 I mean, there's so much going on.

00:16:42.000 And several people have told me they're like, there comes a point where all of a sudden it just...

00:16:48.000 Something clicks and you start to comprehend everything, but until that moment happens, you're going to struggle to remember what you talked about last time or how to do it exactly right, but eventually there comes a time when it clicks and you do start to soak in stuff,

00:17:06.000 and I'm definitely not to that point yet.

00:17:08.000 Even some of the basic drills.

00:17:11.000 The one thing I do understand that they were impressed by It's just leverage on joints, you know, because they were talking about some of the different arm bars and stuff.

00:17:22.000 You know, they were like, well, if the elbow's like this, and I said, yeah, that won't work.

00:17:25.000 The elbow has to be like this.

00:17:27.000 And I remember Damien looked at me like, how do you know that?

00:17:29.000 And I'm like, you know how many arms I've dissected off animals?

00:17:32.000 You know, if you have to knock four hooves off an elk quarter to pack it out, if you don't know where the joint is and how to bend it and hit it just right to crack that off.

00:17:43.000 That's a good point.

00:17:44.000 And, you know, hips, shoulders, even taking the head off.

00:17:48.000 I mean, you know.

00:17:49.000 I think that, too, but also your understanding of, like, the proper positioning of your shoulders and your elbow and everything in archery.

00:17:56.000 Yeah.

00:17:57.000 I think just an understanding of the human body alone, I think that helps you tremendously.

00:18:03.000 It's one of the reasons why people that are really good at gymnastics excel at jiu-jitsu.

00:18:09.000 People are really good at breakdancing.

00:18:10.000 Yeah, I saw that.

00:18:11.000 Yeah, break dancers excel. 0.99

00:18:14.000 Yoga.

00:18:14.000 A lot of yoga people, they get really good at yoga.

00:18:17.000 They can excel at jiu-jitsu too.

00:18:19.000 You have just an understanding of the way your body moves.

00:18:23.000 Yeah, mind-body just connection.

00:18:27.000 Like being able to really have a mind-muscle connection.

00:18:31.000 Some people don't understand that.

00:18:32.000 You tell them to do a pull-up and you're like, you really want to use lats.

00:18:35.000 And they're like, well...

00:18:37.000 Yeah, they don't know.

00:18:38.000 They're just yanking. 0.78

00:18:39.000 Yeah, they're just pulling.

00:18:40.000 And some people, when they pull a bow for the first time, even big guys, they struggle pulling a bow because their technique's poor.

00:18:49.000 So they're lifting up high and they're pulling all with bicep down. 0.98

00:18:54.000 Yeah.

00:19:09.000 It looks like they're trying to literally do a max rep.

00:19:14.000 It's that too, but it's also you probably have done it a million times.

00:19:20.000 So your arms are so conditioned to do that.

00:19:23.000 It's such a natural movement.

00:19:25.000 Possibly more.

00:19:26.000 Probably more than a million.

00:19:27.000 Several million, I would say.

00:19:28.000 Probably several.

00:19:29.000 Here's a perfect example I use.

00:19:31.000 Most people, even if they have like a strong left arm, like if I go, flex your arm, you see a good left bicep, you know, you look like you got good shoulders in your left hand.

00:19:39.000 And then I bring you to a heavy bag and I say, throw a left hook. 1.00

00:19:43.000 Most people's left hooks are fucking dog shit. 1.00

00:19:46.000 Just straight up dog shit. 1.00

00:19:48.000 I try to get someone to throw it and they're like, it just doesn't work. 1.00

00:19:53.000 It doesn't listen.

00:19:54.000 It's like having someone throw a baseball left-handed.

00:19:56.000 It just looks terrible.

00:19:57.000 It's even worse.

00:19:58.000 I think you might be able to throw, because the concept of throwing seems normal, but the concept of digging in with your toes and turning your body into a hook, and then if you do it and you just do it slowly, just bang and hit a bag, they're like, how are you doing that?

00:20:14.000 And you just get used to it.

00:20:16.000 When I was striking all the time, my left bicep was quite a bit larger than my right one.

00:20:23.000 My left arm was actually stronger than my right because you're always jabbing.

00:20:27.000 You're always jabbing.

00:20:28.000 You're always jabbing and hooking and you're throwing less right hands than you are left hands.

00:20:32.000 And so my left side was bigger.

00:20:34.000 Like my left arm, I could see it.

00:20:37.000 Like if I flex the two of them together, my left bicep looked larger.

00:20:40.000 And that's a normal thing with boxers.

00:20:43.000 If you're not a person who switches stances and you keep yourself in an orthodox stance with your left leg forward, you'll have a stronger left hand.

00:20:51.000 I would be able to open things better with my left hand than my right hand.

00:20:55.000 Isn't that weird?

00:20:56.000 Well, I mean, yeah.

00:20:57.000 And you're turning so much, too.

00:20:59.000 So, I mean, I guess when you're snapping back, you're kind of supinating the...

00:21:03.000 When you come back, right?

00:21:04.000 I think it's just the use.

00:21:05.000 Just the sheer number.

00:21:07.000 If you looked at a really good boxer, left hand versus right hand, you might throw 2-1, maybe 3-1.

00:21:15.000 3-1 left hands.

00:21:16.000 Yeah, I was going to guess 3-1 maybe.

00:21:17.000 Throw a lot, yeah.

00:21:18.000 If you're doing it right, you're supposed to be jabbing more than you are just throwing haymakers.

00:21:23.000 Well, one of the highlights of the fight, there were several...

00:21:28.000 Ferguson's match was amazing.

00:21:30.000 Ferguson's incredible.

00:21:31.000 I mean, incredible.

00:21:32.000 Dude, that guy had catastrophic knee surgery.

00:21:36.000 Like, his knee was so blown out, they were not sure if he was going to be able to fight again.

00:21:40.000 They were like, I don't know what's going to happen here.

00:21:43.000 Because he had ripped his tendon completely off the bone.

00:21:47.000 The scar on his leg is enormous.

00:21:49.000 His scar is like 12 inches long. 0.99

00:21:52.000 It's a fucking massive scar. 0.99

00:21:54.000 So they had to open him up like a fish. 0.99

00:21:56.000 And then they have to get in there and they have to bolt down that ligament to the bone.

00:22:01.000 Were they able to use the same one, pull it back down?

00:22:03.000 Yeah.

00:22:04.000 I mean, he had surgery almost immediately after the injury.

00:22:07.000 He didn't have to have a cadaver or anything like that.

00:22:10.000 Yeah.

00:22:11.000 And the way they do it, I honestly don't know exactly what was involved, but look at that knee. 1.00

00:22:17.000 Look at the fucking knee, man. 1.00

00:22:19.000 That's incredible. 1.00

00:22:22.000 I mean, that is incredible.

00:22:23.000 And then six months later, he's not just healed up, he's got Anthony Pettis kicking that leg.

00:22:30.000 We were very concerned in the beginning of the fight.

00:22:32.000 It looked like he got hurt on that leg, because Pettis hit that leg twice really hard, and it looked like he was wobbly a little bit on that leg.

00:22:42.000 Yeah, I was going to say, he survived a catastrophic flurry.

00:22:47.000 Yeah, Pettis caught him.

00:22:48.000 Yeah, and he came back big time because it didn't look good.

00:22:52.000 There were several fighters that dug really deep that were in trouble and came back for some awesome comebacks.

00:22:59.000 How about Derek Lewis?

00:23:00.000 He's the best.

00:23:01.000 He's the best ever.

00:23:02.000 Yeah, he's my official favorite now.

00:23:04.000 I love that. 0.98

00:23:05.000 That fucking post-fight interview is my favorite post-fight interview ever. 0.99

00:23:08.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.99

00:23:09.000 I go, Derek, why'd you take your shorts off? 1.00

00:23:10.000 My balls was hot. 1.00

00:23:13.000 I love that. 0.98

00:23:14.000 I got a phone call before the fight. 1.00

00:23:17.000 Donald Crump called me and said, I gotta knock this Russian motherfucker out and make everybody look bad with all this Putin shit. 1.00

00:23:25.000 I was in the crowd and I'm like, I looked at Sharon and I go, did you say his balls were hot? 1.00

00:23:31.000 She's like, yeah. 0.99

00:23:32.000 She goes, I think he did.

00:23:34.000 The people in the crowd I don't think appreciated as much as the people back home.

00:23:37.000 It was hard to hear.

00:23:38.000 The people back home, they got it straight from his mic into their TV. They got the full version of it.

00:23:43.000 Yeah, it was muffled pretty hardcore.

00:23:46.000 He is so classic.

00:23:47.000 He's so funny, man. 1.00

00:23:49.000 And what a fucking puncher. 1.00

00:23:52.000 Holy shit. 1.00

00:23:53.000 Holy shit, can that guy crack? 1.00

00:23:55.000 Because he was down, as down as you can get. 1.00

00:23:58.000 I mean, he was basically three rounds in the can, three rounds in the hole, and 30 seconds to go.

00:24:04.000 Boom! 0.99

00:24:05.000 And we were saying that.

00:24:07.000 We were saying it in the commentary that he still has the kind of power where one shot could win the fight.

00:24:12.000 And people were like, yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:24:15.000 But is he going to win?

00:24:16.000 Boom! 0.99

00:24:16.000 He lands it. 0.99

00:24:17.000 That's what's hard about being live at the fight.

00:24:21.000 You don't really get the commentary.

00:24:25.000 Your guys' commentary is so good when you're watching on pay-per-view.

00:24:29.000 It's dissecting so many things that you aren't...

00:24:32.000 Unless you're...

00:24:33.000 Very seasoned at watching MMA. You don't appreciate a lot of that stuff.

00:24:37.000 And when you're watching with no one's opinion, you're kind of just watching and waiting for something like that to happen.

00:24:43.000 There's a lot of times you guys are calling that.

00:24:46.000 You're seeing some of that stuff that needs to happen or should happen.

00:24:50.000 They used to have this thing that you could get.

00:24:52.000 I don't think they have it anymore.

00:24:53.000 It was like a little FM radio.

00:24:55.000 Did you see it at the...

00:24:56.000 I haven't seen it in a while.

00:24:56.000 No, I don't think they have it anymore, but it used to be a little thing that you would buy at the gift shop.

00:25:03.000 It's like a little, and it doubled as an FM radio.

00:25:06.000 So if you used it, it still would work somewhere else as a radio.

00:25:10.000 But when you keep it on a certain frequency, they would broadcast the commentary.

00:25:14.000 So you would get the commentary, and you could keep it in your ear while the fight was going on.

00:25:18.000 Yeah, that is one of the things that's missing, just a little bit.

00:25:22.000 Yeah, but there's something about being in the building.

00:25:27.000 Especially that one.

00:25:29.000 There was just electricity radiating from person to person in the crowd.

00:25:34.000 It was electric.

00:25:36.000 Yeah, that was probably the biggest UFC of all time.

00:25:40.000 I mean, it has to be one of them.

00:25:43.000 You know, they don't know.

00:25:44.000 I would think.

00:25:45.000 They won't know for another day or so.

00:25:47.000 But I think it's the most important fight of all time because Conor being such a huge superstar and then being out of MMA for two solid years and then Khabib just being so dominant.

00:26:00.000 26-0.

00:26:02.000 And then there was also the controversy of how he won the title.

00:26:06.000 He won the title last minute.

00:26:07.000 He was supposed to be fighting Tony Ferguson.

00:26:09.000 Tony gets injured.

00:26:11.000 Al Iaquinta steps up and it's for the title.

00:26:14.000 And everybody's like, what?

00:26:15.000 How is that for the title?

00:26:16.000 The whole thing was just very, very weird.

00:26:20.000 If there's not a rematch, which you would think numbers-wise there has to be...

00:26:25.000 I don't think so.

00:26:26.000 I wouldn't think they'd be a rematch.

00:26:28.000 Not for a long time.

00:26:29.000 Well, what's awesome is, if there isn't, and kind of the counter-politics are out of that weight class, now some of the fights we'd get to see, like, I'd love to see him in Ferguson would be...

00:26:42.000 Ferguson's the fight.

00:26:43.000 Yeah.

00:26:44.000 That's the fight 100% now.

00:26:45.000 Yeah.

00:26:45.000 After Ferguson dominated Pettis like that, and then also overcame that big shot where he got hurt.

00:26:50.000 Yeah.

00:26:51.000 I don't want to see McGregor vs.

00:26:54.000 Khabib again.

00:26:54.000 I don't think it's going to be any different.

00:26:56.000 There's so many more that would just be awesome.

00:26:59.000 I would like to see it in the future.

00:27:00.000 But Conor would have to do something to show that he...

00:27:04.000 First of all...

00:27:06.000 There is absolutely a factor in that he had not been fighting for two years.

00:27:13.000 One boxing match in two years is just not good enough.

00:27:17.000 For MMA, especially with wrestling, just not good enough.

00:27:20.000 And then I think he would have to really, really concentrate on his wrestling.

00:27:27.000 And even that, even that, I mean, how much better can he get?

00:27:31.000 Dude, that guy was wrestling a bear as a kid.

00:27:34.000 Yeah.

00:27:34.000 I mean...

00:27:35.000 He's so much better.

00:27:36.000 Yeah, he's gonna have to go back in time and rethink this.

00:27:41.000 I mean, Khabib might just have his number for life. 0.99

00:27:43.000 You know, that's what Cormier said.

00:27:46.000 I was talking to Cormier after the fight.

00:27:49.000 He was like, listen to me.

00:27:50.000 He's never going to beat him.

00:27:51.000 Never.

00:27:52.000 He's never going to beat him.

00:27:54.000 I go, you don't think he could ever get to the point where he'd get his takedown defense up enough?

00:27:58.000 He's like, it'll never happen.

00:27:59.000 He's never going to get there.

00:28:00.000 He's too far away.

00:28:01.000 He's got to get just a clean one shot that just ends it.

00:28:05.000 That would be it.

00:28:07.000 Yeah, that would be it.

00:28:07.000 It's like that in my field, too.

00:28:09.000 I mean, I stay...

00:28:11.000 I guess I stay honed, but I'm not like razor sharp in my field.

00:28:16.000 So you mean like target archery, like if you're going to compete?

00:28:19.000 Yeah, people all the time say, why don't you compete?

00:28:24.000 Can I shoot better than most people at this point?

00:28:29.000 Yeah, I can answer that without question.

00:28:32.000 Could I have beat myself when I was shooting on the teams?

00:28:38.000 No way.

00:28:39.000 Like, that was a different person.

00:28:41.000 And when I stepped away for two or three years, even though I contemplated coming back, I'm like, this commitment is going to take a year, two years of really fine-tuning.

00:28:53.000 Because, I mean, at those levels, people don't miss.

00:28:57.000 You know, so missing one or two still means it's a burnt weekend.

00:29:01.000 It's still a burnt tournament.

00:29:03.000 Like, you have to be flawless.

00:29:05.000 And if you're not flawless, then all you're doing is donating money.

00:29:08.000 And when you compete in those tournaments, what's the distance?

00:29:10.000 It depended.

00:29:11.000 There's several different formats.

00:29:13.000 Anywhere from 18 meters, which you were shooting at something the size of a dime.

00:29:18.000 And most of those, you know, like a 600 round, you would need to be...

00:29:23.000 You know, then I was shooting like, you know...

00:29:27.000 Upper 590s at something the size of a dime.

00:29:30.000 Explain what that means.

00:29:32.000 So to hit that X the size of a dime is a 10. So you would have to literally...

00:29:39.000 60 times.

00:29:40.000 Yeah.

00:29:40.000 Out of 60 arrows in tournament play, you would have to...

00:29:45.000 We're good to go.

00:30:05.000 In the high 90 percentile of being able to hit that.

00:30:08.000 And you also get used to the competition.

00:30:10.000 You get sharper because your mind's in that place.

00:30:13.000 You're there all the time.

00:30:14.000 That's the hardest part.

00:30:15.000 Even if you're on the game, which there's been times like this past summer, I had an event that I did for a Cabela's experience where some of the Cabela's black signature card members kind of, I guess, bought an experience.

00:30:30.000 And I did...

00:30:31.000 Some training at the Easton Center with them, and then we went and shot the Total Archery Challenge in Utah.

00:30:38.000 I talked through the technicalities of what you would do on each shot.

00:30:42.000 Explain what the Total Archery Challenge is for people.

00:30:44.000 Total Archery Challenge is a tournament that—or it's not even a tournament.

00:30:47.000 It's more of a fun event where they set—it's in Snowbird, and they set archery targets like in real— Hunting situations, but with very, very technical shots.

00:30:57.000 Extreme angles, longer distances, you got crosswinds and canyons.

00:31:03.000 And Snowbird, for people who don't know, is a ski course.

00:31:05.000 Yep.

00:31:05.000 What is that?

00:31:06.000 Sorry.

00:31:07.000 I actually had to video this.

00:31:09.000 And, yeah, it's just very technical because the footing's poor.

00:31:13.000 Oh, here it is.

00:31:14.000 Yeah, this is...

00:31:15.000 Yeah, this is the total archery challenge.

00:31:16.000 So it's really interesting because it's in the summertime, but it's at a ski place, a ski range.

00:31:22.000 What would you call it?

00:31:23.000 A ski...

00:31:24.000 What would you call it?

00:31:25.000 Yeah, it's a...

00:31:25.000 Ski course?

00:31:26.000 No, it's a ski lodge, yeah.

00:31:29.000 Yeah, but what is a...

00:31:30.000 Where are the...

00:31:31.000 Slopes. 0.96

00:31:32.000 It's literally a resort, yeah.

00:31:33.000 It's snowbird.

00:31:34.000 So you take the ski lifts up to where these...

00:31:38.000 Things are.

00:31:39.000 And these targets are all set up.

00:31:41.000 There are all these foam deer and foam sheep and all these different game animals.

00:31:47.000 And they're at extreme distances and with weird angles.

00:31:52.000 You take the tram all the way to the top of the mountain and then you literally shoot down.

00:31:58.000 I think it was about six miles for us to get down.

00:32:01.000 I think our total walk one day was about six miles.

00:32:05.000 But I shot it with this group and taught them the technicalities of it.

00:32:09.000 And because of that, I really wanted to be prepared.

00:32:12.000 I knew that there was going to be people there watching.

00:32:15.000 I knew that because I stepped into an actual event where there were a few thousand archers there, I knew that there was going to be a lot of people watching me because I haven't gone out into that realm in a while.

00:32:26.000 It would be no different than if all of a sudden, you know...

00:32:29.000 You were out of MMA for a while and then went in there.

00:32:32.000 There's going to be eyes on you.

00:32:33.000 So I just wanted to be on my game or as best as I could be.

00:32:38.000 So I set a goal.

00:32:40.000 I'm trying to think what it was.

00:32:42.000 I think I set a goal of like...

00:32:44.000 I think it was around 10,000 arrows I wanted to shoot prior to that.

00:32:51.000 Over a course of...

00:32:53.000 Just a few months, yeah.

00:32:55.000 I mean, I think the one day I shot around 500 a day, I think I time-lapsed one of those.

00:33:00.000 I don't know if you remember that.

00:33:02.000 But once you go there, even if you're totally on your game, if you have to shoot with other guys that are elite-level athletes, there's still a lot that goes into it.

00:33:15.000 I mean, especially if you're shooting for score, you're Those pressure factors, if you're not acclimated to them, those aren't things that you can just step back into.

00:33:25.000 When I was my best as a competitor My practice was almost at tournaments every weekend.

00:33:34.000 It was, I mean, 40-something events a year.

00:33:38.000 Every three days, you're at a tournament in the heat of the moment with the best five or six people in the world.

00:33:45.000 And then you go home for a few days, you repack, you retune, and then you're right back in the grind again.

00:33:51.000 Somebody got stripped of a title because they tested positive for THC and beta block.

00:33:57.000 Yeah.

00:33:57.000 This is real recent, right?

00:33:59.000 Oh, yeah.

00:33:59.000 Yeah.

00:34:00.000 When I competed, so, I mean, yeah, you're, depending on what level you're at, there was, because I shot with the U.S. team, certain tournaments didn't have doping, and then, but when you shot anything that was on a world level,

00:34:16.000 you did.

00:34:17.000 So I was always in a doping pool.

00:34:19.000 So, you know, it was no different than, like, when I was with Chad Mendez at a turkey hunt.

00:34:25.000 You mean a testing pool.

00:34:26.000 Yeah.

00:34:27.000 So they would test your blood or your urine?

00:34:29.000 What would they test?

00:34:30.000 Either one.

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:31.000 And you would be on call.

00:34:32.000 You'd have to let them know.

00:34:33.000 Have you ever tried beta blockers?

00:34:34.000 What do they do?

00:34:35.000 You ever tried it?

00:34:36.000 Well, no.

00:34:37.000 It's supposed to...

00:34:38.000 Kills your nerves, right?

00:34:39.000 I would think it blocks adrenaline.

00:34:41.000 Yeah.

00:34:42.000 Right?

00:34:42.000 The ability for your brain to dump adrenaline.

00:34:45.000 The number one thing in archery or any type of finesse sport is low heart rate, keeping your heart rate down, because that's obviously keeping your mind in the game, and stability, very minimal movements.

00:35:01.000 So, yeah, I remember I had a coach a long time ago.

00:35:06.000 He talked about alcohol and how alcohol could help shooters.

00:35:11.000 Because we were talking about a guy that had done well at tournaments several times.

00:35:15.000 And I said, yeah, he always does good.

00:35:17.000 And he said, yeah, he's always drunk.

00:35:20.000 And I'm like, what do you mean?

00:35:22.000 And he said, well, he goes, if you play alcohol the right way and you're like...

00:35:28.000 Not sloppy drunk, but he just stays in his zone and he's just kind of sitting there drinking the whole time.

00:35:36.000 And that was prior to where they were testing for alcohol.

00:35:40.000 So he actually made us...

00:35:41.000 He said, alright, well, let's see how you do if you shoot when you have a buzz going.

00:35:46.000 So we drank and shot.

00:35:50.000 And don't try this at home, kids.

00:35:53.000 It wasn't an archery range where they have to buy insurance or whatever.

00:35:57.000 But yeah, that was part of it because at the time, this was in the mid-90s, Another archer that had won a bunch of titles also tested positive for beta blockers and had some titles stripped.

00:36:12.000 But then for the longest time, that was one of my complaints, was once I was shooting at a level with the teams and we had to go through testing or be, like, if, for example, at an event when I medaled,

00:36:28.000 We're good to go.

00:36:49.000 There was no testing.

00:36:50.000 There was clearly guys there that were shooting that were kind of just out of it.

00:36:55.000 There could be $50,000 on the line, and there was just not a sweat cracked.

00:37:01.000 Because some of that stuff, obviously, it is a performance enhancer because of the fact they're not having to deal with adrenaline spikes and accelerated heart rate.

00:37:11.000 For people who don't know what we're talking about, 3D shoots are a type of tournament where they have those realistic-looking targets.

00:37:19.000 So foam elks or foam bear, and they have areas that you're supposed to hit.

00:37:24.000 Yeah, and the other thing was, I didn't like the fact that at that time, when you scored, it was just based off, if there's four guys in a group, whatever the majority voted, that's how it scored.

00:37:37.000 And when there's a lot of money on the line...

00:37:39.000 So, like, say you shot and I shot, Jamie shot, and Sharon shot.

00:37:44.000 We'd walk up and, you know, they're foam rings, so the arrow could look like it's in, it could look like it's out, but it's not a clear line.

00:37:52.000 And we would just, if me, you, and Jamie said that's out, then even if Sharon's was close, it'd be out.

00:37:59.000 So I was in some groups where things got a little shady.

00:38:03.000 People were wanting to make money.

00:38:04.000 And it got apparent that it wasn't, you know, there wasn't a judge there calling every score, which on a world level, there's judges there.

00:38:14.000 Oh, so if you guys were all competing against each other, you would call for each other?

00:38:17.000 I've seen groups where they did.

00:38:19.000 Oh, that's calm.

00:38:21.000 Yeah.

00:38:21.000 That's wacky.

00:38:22.000 Yeah.

00:38:23.000 I've seen groups where they did.

00:38:24.000 You ever try a beta blocker?

00:38:26.000 No.

00:38:27.000 I want to know what that's like.

00:38:28.000 I'd like to do something nerve-wracking. 0.98

00:38:30.000 Try a beta blocker and then do something fucking really nerve-wracking. 0.98

00:38:33.000 Can me and Andy throw you at a plane? 0.99

00:38:35.000 No.

00:38:37.000 Please?

00:38:38.000 I think you would like it.

00:38:40.000 Whether I'd like it or not, it's not happening.

00:38:43.000 I'm not interested.

00:38:44.000 It doesn't get much sketchier than that rollercoaster we were on yesterday.

00:38:48.000 Yeah, we did the rollercoaster at New York, New York.

00:38:50.000 Oof.

00:38:52.000 Sketch city.

00:38:53.000 That thing felt like it was tied together with bubblegum.

00:38:56.000 I couldn't believe how rickety it was.

00:39:00.000 It feels so uncomfortable.

00:39:01.000 You're like, wait a minute.

00:39:02.000 This is just way...

00:39:03.000 It's old.

00:39:05.000 It's outside.

00:39:06.000 Everything's outside.

00:39:07.000 You're flying around the casino itself.

00:39:11.000 And the whole thing just feels like...

00:39:14.000 It shouldn't be there.

00:39:15.000 Yeah.

00:39:16.000 I think there's several things there that are a little outdated.

00:39:19.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 Yeah.

00:39:20.000 I was one row behind you guys, and I was next to this kid who had never ridden a roller coaster, and he was terrified.

00:39:30.000 Like, he was terrified.

00:39:32.000 And I thought, have I just not been on one of these for that long to where this feels like it could possibly shake off and we could launch onto, like...

00:39:41.000 When was the last time a roller coaster did break loose?

00:39:45.000 Like, when was the last time someone...

00:39:46.000 There was something last year, I believe, that happened.

00:39:50.000 Something happened last year?

00:39:51.000 Yeah, let me see.

00:39:52.000 Don't show them.

00:39:54.000 When those carnivals roll into town, that's on you. 1.00

00:39:59.000 If you get on one of those fucking things... 0.99

00:40:01.000 I was at one a couple of years back, and I took a picture of it for Instagram because there was one of those whirly wind things. 0.99

00:40:11.000 Oh, roller coaster derails.

00:40:13.000 Two riders fall 30 feet to the ground at Daytona Beach.

00:40:15.000 Oh, don't show me this.

00:40:17.000 I think that's just afterwards.

00:40:19.000 Oh, that's it?

00:40:19.000 Hanging?

00:40:20.000 I don't think they just got the live video.

00:40:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.

00:40:24.000 Daytona Beach.

00:40:25.000 But that's Florida. 0.99

00:40:26.000 See, anything that's fucked up could happen in Florida. 0.96

00:40:30.000 I guarantee the guy was fixing that. 0.98

00:40:32.000 It's on OxyContin.

00:40:33.000 He's probably got a python in his pocket. 1.00

00:40:36.000 Fucking assholes. 1.00

00:40:37.000 They need one of those in a Buc-ee's. 1.00

00:40:40.000 Do they have a roller coaster in a Buc-ee's yet? 0.93

00:40:42.000 No, they don't.

00:40:43.000 But they need one.

00:40:44.000 Does Texas...

00:40:45.000 Texas is not known for roller coasters.

00:40:47.000 They're a little wiser than that.

00:40:50.000 I bet you could wrestle grizzly bears in Texas, though.

00:40:53.000 Like, if someone wanted to train... 0.99

00:40:54.000 Oh yeah, you could probably shoot them, too. 0.99

00:40:56.000 Probably do whatever you want. 0.99

00:40:57.000 Yeah, we could do a brown bear wrestling training camp.

00:41:01.000 As long as it's an exotic...

00:41:03.000 That's the whole thing about Texas.

00:41:05.000 Like, if it's an exotic animal, meaning it's not indigenous...

00:41:10.000 It's not native. 0.97

00:41:11.000 You can kind of do whatever the fuck you want to it. 0.98

00:41:15.000 It is crazy. 0.99

00:41:17.000 Texas is a fascinating place.

00:41:19.000 It's one of the weird states that almost all the land is private.

00:41:24.000 That's a rare thing.

00:41:26.000 There's a public land system in this country with the Bureau of Land Management and all the different national parks.

00:41:35.000 There's none of that in Texas.

00:41:37.000 Texas is mostly just private ranches.

00:41:41.000 That's weird, right?

00:41:42.000 It's very weird.

00:41:43.000 Yeah, it's very weird.

00:41:45.000 There's been roads I've been down where you're just driving and for miles and miles and miles, it's nothing but high fence.

00:41:50.000 It's like people's private ranches just like gated in.

00:41:53.000 Yeah.

00:41:54.000 It's strange because they have these ranches that they seem like wilderness because the ranch would be like 10,000 acres, right?

00:42:04.000 But if it's 10,000 acres, it's fenced in.

00:42:07.000 And part of you goes, well, hey, man, the whole country's fenced in.

00:42:10.000 You get to the ocean, you can't go any further. 1.00

00:42:12.000 That shit's kind of like a fence. 0.99

00:42:13.000 I haven't heard that excuse, but there you go. 1.00

00:42:15.000 That's how I look at it.

00:42:16.000 You go far enough north, you hit the ice.

00:42:18.000 Yep.

00:42:19.000 You hit the glaciers.

00:42:20.000 Yeah.

00:42:20.000 Where are you going?

00:42:21.000 Yeah.

00:42:23.000 But there's something about that kind of experience.

00:42:27.000 Like, that's one of the weirder things about Texas is that they have these enormous fenced-in properties where they have all these African animals running around. 1.00

00:42:37.000 Yeah.

00:42:38.000 Like Neil Guy and Elands and...

00:42:40.000 You name it.

00:42:41.000 Yeah.

00:42:41.000 And they have more of those animals running around in Texas than they do in the wild of their countries.

00:42:49.000 Like oryx.

00:42:51.000 Yeah.

00:42:51.000 Oryx, they're threatened in other parts of the world, right?

00:42:55.000 They've got a ton of them down there. 0.99

00:42:57.000 Texas, they've got a fuckload. 0.99

00:42:58.000 Black Bucks, lots of stuff. 0.99

00:43:01.000 Yeah, they have lots of stuff.

00:43:02.000 Axis, the same way.

00:43:03.000 So how do you feel about that?

00:43:05.000 This is like a philosophical argument, right?

00:43:09.000 If it's 10,000 acres and it's fenced in, that's far greater than their natural range, right?

00:43:16.000 Yeah.

00:43:17.000 They normally wouldn't wander any further than that.

00:43:20.000 It's an ongoing debate.

00:43:22.000 I mean, it is.

00:43:23.000 Squirrely, right?

00:43:36.000 So, you know, there's certain scoring clubs that don't recognize anything with a high fence, but then at the same time, there's like members within those organizations that are like, well, wait a minute, you know, if a ranch is 15,000 acres...

00:43:51.000 They kind of have this same argument, and they said, well, is that?

00:43:54.000 And it's like, well, yeah, I mean, if there is.

00:43:57.000 And as a hunter, it's one of the things that there's kind of a continual debate.

00:44:03.000 Some hunters absolutely refuse to hunt anything that has any sort of containment.

00:44:09.000 Other people have their own threshold of, well, if it's 5,000 or more, then I'm kind of okay with it.

00:44:21.000 It's hard.

00:44:22.000 I mean, it's no different than some people in the hunting community.

00:44:26.000 Some people only want to hunt animals that are on public land.

00:44:30.000 And then some people like to hunt animals.

00:44:34.000 Areas where it's, you know, it's managed properties, it's privately owned properties that have really good management and you know that, you know, you're shooting, you know, a certain age limit, you're kind of culling out, you know, the older animals maybe that aren't breeding anymore.

00:44:51.000 So yeah, there's continual differences of what people feel like, you know, they want to accept.

00:44:58.000 Some people Some people just like hunting like Nugent.

00:45:03.000 He just loves hunting his ranch, right?

00:45:05.000 I mean, he hunts that thing.

00:45:06.000 I think he also has a problem moving around well.

00:45:12.000 He can't really go elk hunting.

00:45:14.000 Like where he goes hiking into the mountains 8-10 hours a day.

00:45:18.000 But he legitimately loves hunting Texas ranches.

00:45:22.000 Yeah.

00:45:22.000 Like he legitimately hunts it.

00:45:23.000 But he sits at tree stands.

00:45:24.000 I mean I think he's limited to that.

00:45:26.000 Like he has two bad knees.

00:45:27.000 Like really bad.

00:45:28.000 Like he's got artificial knees.

00:45:31.000 He's had some serious surgeries.

00:45:32.000 We've got friends that love to hunt exotic ranches.

00:45:37.000 Yeah.

00:45:37.000 Well, I can see the argument both ways.

00:45:41.000 Yeah, me too.

00:45:41.000 Look, if you're a meat eater and you want to get meat from a free-range cattle ranch, you only want grass-fed, grass-finished beef that's free-range, that roams around.

00:45:57.000 There's a lot of people that feel that way.

00:45:59.000 Yep.

00:45:59.000 Well, why are you hunting?

00:46:02.000 Are you hunting because you want meat? 0.91

00:46:05.000 Are you hunting because you want to kill your own meat?

00:46:07.000 Are you hunting because you want to eat wild game?

00:46:09.000 Are you hunting because it's fun?

00:46:11.000 Or are you hunting for all the reasons, all the above?

00:46:13.000 And if it's an all the above...

00:46:17.000 Some people feel like the only kind of hunting they want to do is backpacking public land, go into the wilderness, and they don't want to have anything to do with raising those animals, helping those animals.

00:46:31.000 They want those animals to be straight up wild.

00:46:35.000 And they feel like that is the most ethical way.

00:46:39.000 There's a lot of weird debates about public land, too.

00:46:42.000 Here's one that really gets me.

00:46:43.000 There's a lot of people that are really into public land, and public land is super important to them.

00:46:49.000 They only want to hunt public land, but they have secret spots on public land, and they don't want anybody to know about them.

00:46:56.000 And if you tell someone about their spot on public land, they'll get mad at you.

00:47:00.000 Like if you take someone to a spot, I've heard Ranella talk about this on his show, like he's a big public land guy, but he'll talk on his show about what A betrayal it is, if you tell a person about a spot and they tell someone else about that spot, 0.98

00:47:17.000 or they go to that spot without you, like, what the fuck are you talking about? 0.93

00:47:21.000 Is this public land or is it not? 0.96

00:47:23.000 And if it's not, if it is public land, if you're telling someone about a spot, you're telling me that this public land spot you don't want them going to without you?

00:47:34.000 Not unless they find it on their own. 0.99

00:47:36.000 That is fucking ridiculous. 1.00

00:47:38.000 Right? 1.00

00:47:39.000 That's ridiculous. 0.99

00:47:40.000 It's like you have a private spot. 0.98

00:47:41.000 You have a private spot on public land.

00:47:44.000 So you're a public land guy until it infringes on your own privacy.

00:47:51.000 Like you figured out a way to have a private spot on public land.

00:47:56.000 And if you share this private spot with someone else, they're not allowed to go there without you. 1.00

00:48:00.000 Fuck you. 1.00

00:48:01.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:48:02.000 Dude, that's the number one rule in fishing, too.

00:48:05.000 It's either private or it's not.

00:48:06.000 Yeah, but if someone takes you to a sweet little spot where they just rip lips constantly on a lake, and then next thing you know, they go out there on a weekend and you're sitting there in your boat with a bunch of buddies. 1.00

00:48:17.000 That's stupid. 0.99

00:48:19.000 Is this a public lake or not? 1.00

00:48:21.000 They're going to be like, bro, I took you to my spot. 1.00

00:48:23.000 Well, they're assholes. 1.00

00:48:24.000 That's stupid. 1.00

00:48:25.000 I don't think so. 1.00

00:48:26.000 You think they should not go there?

00:48:28.000 I think there's...

00:48:29.000 Do you think they own that spot? 0.99

00:48:31.000 It's a fucking giant lake. 0.99

00:48:31.000 No, they don't own it. 0.99

00:48:33.000 Okay.

00:48:33.000 They don't own it.

00:48:34.000 Let's talk about Lake Superior.

00:48:36.000 Okay. 0.98

00:48:37.000 We've got a giant ass lake. 0.98

00:48:38.000 Yep. 0.69

00:48:39.000 And someone has a spot where all the lake trout live.

00:48:41.000 A little reef, yeah.

00:48:42.000 Yeah.

00:48:42.000 Where everything's chilling out.

00:48:43.000 You tell me about that spot.

00:48:45.000 And then you go back there six months later and I'm at that spot.

00:48:48.000 You're going to be mad at me?

00:48:50.000 No, probably not.

00:48:51.000 Not me, but what if it's a guy that you don't know as well?

00:48:53.000 If I went back and you had a whole bunch of guys there, it'd be like, dude, you should have saved this spot for us. 0.95

00:48:58.000 That's ridiculous! 1.00

00:48:59.000 It's a fucking public lake! 1.00

00:49:00.000 I'm not taking you in any of my spots. 1.00

00:49:02.000 You better not.

00:49:03.000 See, this is the thing.

00:49:05.000 These people that say they want everything to be public, that's not public.

00:49:10.000 It's not public if you don't want other people going back there.

00:49:13.000 I see the argument, though, because he put in the work to find a good place that took work within public land.

00:49:19.000 Then you better not tell people about it or they're going to go back.

00:49:21.000 Yeah, well, that's where you go wrong.

00:49:24.000 Yeah, if you find it, you've got to just keep it quiet.

00:49:28.000 That's so corny. 0.99

00:49:30.000 That's so ridiculous. 0.99

00:49:31.000 Like, you want that spot to yourself. 0.99

00:49:34.000 You want that spot to be private.

00:49:36.000 In a way, yeah, you do.

00:49:37.000 Yeah, you're making a private area in public land.

00:49:41.000 That's what you're doing.

00:49:42.000 Yep.

00:49:43.000 I think that's preposterous.

00:49:44.000 Well, could you imagine if you, say you were going elk hunting, you left camp an hour and a half before daylight, and you pack all the way out there, and there's someone sitting on your glassing rock in that basin.

00:49:55.000 It's not yours. 0.78

00:49:57.000 But you would still say, I should have never told this guy that it was here.

00:50:02.000 It's public land.

00:50:02.000 All right.

00:50:03.000 Someone got there first.

00:50:05.000 No one's ever going to tell you about their spot.

00:50:07.000 This is a spot that's been the same way for hundreds of thousands of years.

00:50:11.000 Yeah, it has.

00:50:11.000 It's been that way.

00:50:12.000 It has.

00:50:13.000 But someone found it.

00:50:15.000 Put in the work to find it.

00:50:16.000 This is some small-minded thinking, man.

00:50:18.000 Yep.

00:50:19.000 This is some small-minded thinking.

00:50:21.000 I know.

00:50:21.000 Sorry.

00:50:22.000 But this is a common way of thinking.

00:50:26.000 I would say.

00:50:27.000 I'd say there's people that don't think that way, but there's certainly people that are.

00:50:31.000 I would have to side with Ronell on that.

00:50:34.000 Really?

00:50:34.000 Yeah.

00:50:35.000 So you think, so let me ask you this.

00:50:38.000 So if someone takes you to a place, and it's this really good mule deer spot, and you hike in seven miles, and it's this beautiful basin, and you go there, and it's just always deer there.

00:50:50.000 You don't go there without that person's permission?

00:50:52.000 I would say, are you going to be there?

00:50:54.000 And if he said no, and I'd say, can I go?

00:50:57.000 I wouldn't take anyone.

00:50:58.000 What?

00:50:58.000 Can I go?

00:50:59.000 That'd be code, man.

00:51:00.000 Can I go to national forest land?

00:51:03.000 Can I go to public land? 0.98

00:51:05.000 Can I go to this spot that you don't fucking own even a little bit? 0.93

00:51:08.000 Out of respect for that guy that found it? 0.97

00:51:10.000 Found it?

00:51:11.000 He just walked.

00:51:13.000 He walked on the dirt.

00:51:15.000 Found what?

00:51:16.000 A tree?

00:51:17.000 This is my tree.

00:51:18.000 This is crazy.

00:51:19.000 This is my rock that I stand on.

00:51:21.000 This top of the cliff is my cliff.

00:51:24.000 That's crazy.

00:51:25.000 Yeah, I mean, you can take it to a point, but I still think it's code.

00:51:29.000 It's a weird code.

00:51:30.000 The other argument, though, too, is just from a hunting situation.

00:51:33.000 Jamie, as a person who doesn't hunt at all, does this seem ridiculous?

00:51:36.000 I mean, I've heard it, so it's not a new concept to me, but I'm trying to compare it to something else.

00:51:41.000 Like if it was a basketball hoop I found somewhere, and I don't tell somebody to go to that playground because it's my hoop, and I show up and people are there playing.

00:51:48.000 A public playground.

00:51:49.000 Just find another hoop to play on, or you don't play basketball that day. 0.92

00:51:52.000 It seems ridiculous. 0.83

00:51:55.000 It's silly, but I'm just trying to think, yeah.

00:51:56.000 That you have, especially in today's day and age, because today people use like Onyx Maps and they use Google Earth and you could find these beautiful spots and you just go out to them.

00:52:10.000 Like if you find a beautiful spot on Google Earth and you go out to it and you go, hey man, this is a spot I found.

00:52:16.000 Don't go there.

00:52:17.000 This is my spot.

00:52:19.000 This is my spot on public land. 0.89

00:52:22.000 Seems ridiculous. 0.52

00:52:23.000 Yeah, it does. 0.85

00:52:24.000 It does.

00:52:25.000 But I think there's a legitimate code to it.

00:52:28.000 It seems ridiculous, but it seems understandable that someone would be upset if they're looking forward to going to a place, and they told you about it a year ago, and they go to that place, they hike in, takes them nine miles, and then you're there.

00:52:41.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:52:42.000 Tough shit! 1.00

00:52:44.000 Go another nine! 1.00

00:52:46.000 Should've got there earlier, you procrastinating motherfucker! 0.99

00:52:51.000 I'm taking you with me when we're going to someone's spot. 0.99

00:52:54.000 No one owns any spots.

00:52:57.000 See, that's what's so weird about it to me.

00:53:01.000 There definitely is a line.

00:53:04.000 I mean, I see your argument 100%.

00:53:06.000 And I know at some point it could definitely get childish or out of hand.

00:53:12.000 I mean, obviously there's a ton of stuff.

00:53:14.000 But out of courtesy, yeah.

00:53:16.000 I mean, if anytime you showed me something cool, if you're like, hey, I got this cool thing, this is what I do.

00:53:21.000 You know, it's kind of private.

00:53:23.000 Take my family there, whatever.

00:53:24.000 I'd be like, yeah, I respect that.

00:53:26.000 But it's not private.

00:53:28.000 That's what's weird.

00:53:29.000 Yeah, you're right.

00:53:30.000 What's weird is the whole thing about public land.

00:53:33.000 But fishermen would be the same, right?

00:53:35.000 But it's still crazy.

00:53:37.000 The whole thing about public land is that it's supposed to be everyone's.

00:53:42.000 So if you find a really good area in public land that's supposed to be available for everyone, but that's not what everybody wants.

00:53:52.000 That's one of the things about people not wanting new people to get into hunting.

00:53:58.000 I've heard this argument before.

00:54:00.000 You shouldn't be telling people to get into hunting because it's already tough enough out there on public land.

00:54:05.000 There's already so many people hunting on public land.

00:54:07.000 If more people get into hunting, there's going to be more pressure.

00:54:10.000 Like, what?

00:54:11.000 Yeah, that's not me.

00:54:13.000 I'm definitely looking to get more people in, for sure.

00:54:16.000 Right, because you're thinking they don't know about your spots.

00:54:21.000 I'll find a new spot.

00:54:23.000 That's a good attitude.

00:54:24.000 One of the questions, or I guess arguments, too, is I don't understand it when people, they don't have any tolerance for hunting private land, so to speak, or they don't have tolerance for...

00:54:40.000 I don't mind people that hunt exotic ranches or hunt hindfence.

00:54:45.000 That's just not what I personally like.

00:54:49.000 But I also understand that people do.

00:54:51.000 But I also don't like it when people are super negative to that, but yet they'll have...

00:54:58.000 A bull in a pen.

00:54:59.000 Or they'll have chickens in a cage. 1.00

00:55:01.000 Or they'll have a goat and they're raising a goat to slaughter. 1.00

00:55:06.000 I don't know.

00:55:06.000 Is it?

00:55:06.000 Yeah, it is.

00:55:07.000 It's just a different scale.

00:55:09.000 No, but it's not.

00:55:09.000 Because it shows that there's a different thing in the pursuit of a wild animal.

00:55:13.000 There's a different thing to that.

00:55:15.000 Like, here's the thing.

00:55:17.000 Say if you, there's a ranch, and the ranch is 5,000 acres, which is big, but not the biggest.

00:55:23.000 And on that 5,000 acre ranch, someone shoots a giant buck.

00:55:28.000 Like a huge 240 inch mule deer.

00:55:33.000 Epic deer.

00:55:34.000 And people are like, wow.

00:55:35.000 But it's a private ranch, and you kind of know that there wasn't a lot of pressure there, so they probably knew where this deer was, and people that worked in this ranch told people about this deer, and they kind of kept their eye on it, and they knew where to go to find him.

00:55:49.000 Yep.

00:55:49.000 Versus you getting in your truck, driving four hours outside of Reno in Nevada, getting out into the mountains by yourself.

00:56:00.000 Yep.

00:56:03.000 Spending three or four days just scouting.

00:56:05.000 Finding your spot.

00:56:07.000 Finding animals out there.

00:56:09.000 Finding your spot.

00:56:10.000 But it's more difficult, is the point.

00:56:12.000 So if someone accomplishes that, you look at it differently than someone who shot something in a high ranch in Texas.

00:56:21.000 It's just a different thing.

00:56:22.000 Yeah.

00:56:23.000 But what I'm saying is, like, hunters versus non-hunters, people that are non-hunting that really look down on, like, what we're talking about as hunters, but yet they'll raise a goat to slaughter.

00:56:36.000 But they're not pretending that it's some sort of pursuit, man versus ant.

00:56:40.000 See, the thing about the hunting thing is you're looking at it like it's a difficult pursuit, like you're out there trying to outwit this animal.

00:56:49.000 For me, yeah.

00:56:50.000 That's what I like about it.

00:56:51.000 But if you're in a 400-acre fenced-in property with a bunch of exotics running around, you're sitting in a tree stand, there's a pile of corn down there, and you're waiting for an animal to walk over to that corn and you whack it, that is very different than, say, what you did this year in Alberta when you were telling me that you were hiking hundreds of...

00:57:12.000 I mean, how many days did you guys go?

00:57:15.000 I think we went nine, did 100 miles.

00:57:19.000 Yeah, so you hiked 100 miles in the wilderness for nine days.

00:57:24.000 No elk.

00:57:24.000 And never got one.

00:57:25.000 And never got one.

00:57:26.000 Never got one.

00:57:26.000 Yeah.

00:57:27.000 That is very different.

00:57:29.000 Yep.

00:57:30.000 Right?

00:57:30.000 Oh yeah.

00:57:31.000 So that's real hunting in comparison to someone who's sitting over a pile of corn at a fenced-in ranch.

00:57:37.000 Yeah.

00:57:37.000 See, that's why I think people have a problem with it.

00:57:40.000 Yeah.

00:57:41.000 That anybody would compare what you did to that.

00:57:45.000 And then there's like the intermediary, which is like a really nice ranch that's not a high fence, but it's a private ranch like the place we went to in Utah.

00:57:56.000 It's private.

00:57:57.000 Not everybody can go there, but those are just wild animals roaming around.

00:58:02.000 Yeah, and opportunity's high.

00:58:04.000 Yes, more opportunity, but...

00:58:07.000 Nothing's fenced in.

00:58:08.000 Nothing's keeping the animals there.

00:58:09.000 And those animals have been there for thousands of years.

00:58:12.000 That's just what they do.

00:58:13.000 You just have the opportunity to hunt a wild animal on a piece of property where there's not going to be a lot of people there.

00:58:22.000 Yeah, it's my preference.

00:58:27.000 I really like the balance of having really tough hunts, especially because I knew my Utah hunt wouldn't quite be the same.

00:58:36.000 That was kind of a very different experience for me.

00:58:39.000 I haven't ever had an opportunity like that, so that was quite a difference for me, whereas Between the other states that I hunted, I think I was right at just over 200 miles before we got our first bull.

00:58:56.000 Between there and then hunting some private land, but also some public land in Montana before finally getting that first elk.

00:59:05.000 Can you talk about what happened with Montana with the bear?

00:59:09.000 Yeah, I mean, I can talk about it.

00:59:12.000 They actually text me back and ruled back that it was not a grizzly.

00:59:16.000 What?

00:59:16.000 Yeah, they say it's a colored black bear.

00:59:21.000 Do you think that's true?

00:59:22.000 Yeah, it's possible.

00:59:24.000 I was going to pull up the pictures.

00:59:26.000 It's an enormous black bear.

00:59:28.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:59:29.000 You thought it was a grizzly.

00:59:31.000 Yep, yep.

00:59:31.000 We shot a...

00:59:32.000 Actually, our mutual friend, Andy Stumpf, shot a bull on 9-11, which was pretty cool for him to have an experience like that.

00:59:43.000 And it took us...

00:59:44.000 I forget how far out we were.

00:59:46.000 It was...

00:59:47.000 We're several, several miles from camp, and it took us two trips to pack this bull out.

00:59:54.000 And the first pack out that we did, I think we finally got back to camp, I don't know, somewhere around midnight or something.

01:00:01.000 So the next morning, we went back at first light.

01:00:04.000 It took us a while to pack back in there.

01:00:06.000 And when we got there, half of the carcass...

01:00:11.000 Pulled everything apart.

01:00:12.000 We had everything in game bags.

01:00:13.000 Everything was strung up on trees.

01:00:15.000 But the actual cavity was half buried.

01:00:19.000 And as we were approaching, I seen something kind of running off.

01:00:23.000 And by the coloration on the hide, I really thought for sure it was a grizz.

01:00:28.000 Because I've seen lots of them.

01:00:30.000 And we got up there, and sure enough, it was buried.

01:00:33.000 So we kind of took a lot of precaution as we were trying to...

01:00:36.000 And just explain to people what that means.

01:00:38.000 So a grizzly, they will bury something that they find, and I think they do it for a couple reasons.

01:00:46.000 One of the reasons is...

01:00:48.000 They don't want prey birds, like crows and stuff, to be able to see it because they'll start talking and then other predators in the area listen for those birds and then it's kind of a magnet.

01:01:00.000 It starts to draw, so they like to conceal it.

01:01:02.000 So they'll literally kind of pivot on a circle around that kill and actually claw the ground and bury them.

01:01:12.000 I've seen where grizzlies bury a full moose and it is... 0.98

01:01:18.000 Ridiculous. 0.89

01:01:19.000 The type of dirt they can move. 0.95

01:01:21.000 I'm talking, it looks like a skid loader came in there and buried these things and they can do, they can do that kind of work fairly quick.

01:01:29.000 But they'll pile up everything around it and then they kind of normally will create one small little hole at the end of that mound where they'll kind of crawl in there and they literally like eat.

01:01:40.000 From one side to the other side, you know, and it's normally the back end first.

01:01:50.000 So yeah, I felt like we had just got there when this bear had just discovered the carcass and had just started the burial process because, you know, he hadn't pulled anything out of the trees.

01:02:05.000 He had only started to cover the carcass, which normally they'll cover that seal first, then they'll clean up the scraps around, and then they go to their pile and kind of consume that last.

01:02:16.000 But I was certain that we had seen one.

01:02:19.000 We ended up seeing a wildlife biologist later on, and I told him, you know, I thought I saw a grizz, and he told me, he said, well, It's pretty important if you did because there hasn't been one naturally on this hill in,

01:02:34.000 I think he said, 100 years.

01:02:36.000 So he's like, you know, would you be willing to go back in there to put a camera up?

01:02:42.000 Which is not smart.

01:02:43.000 If it was a grizzly, it's, I mean, obviously they're going to be, depending on their demeanor, they can be very protective of that.

01:02:53.000 But we did end up going back in there just to put the camera up.

01:02:57.000 And then after the camera was there a few weeks, he sent a picture and said, you were close to being right.

01:03:03.000 It's just a perfectly colored black bear that looks like it would be a grizzly.

01:03:11.000 How does he know for sure?

01:03:13.000 You can tell by...

01:03:14.000 They don't have...

01:03:15.000 You thought it was a grizzly when you saw the photo.

01:03:17.000 Yeah.

01:03:18.000 They don't have a very...

01:03:19.000 I thought it was a younger one, but they don't have a very distinct hump on their back.

01:03:24.000 And then the claw marks.

01:03:25.000 See, he went in...

01:03:27.000 You can tell a lot by the claws.

01:03:29.000 So when you go in and you look at the tracks, that's also a really easy way.

01:03:32.000 Because like that bear that was...

01:03:35.000 Wrestling Khabib. 1.00

01:03:37.000 You could see the claws.

01:03:39.000 Grizzlies have very, very distinct claws.

01:03:43.000 So that was...

01:03:45.000 I'm just looking here.

01:03:47.000 I can't really pull up the pick for everybody.

01:03:52.000 You can send it to Jamie.

01:03:53.000 Let me check it out.

01:03:57.000 Yeah, I can see that.

01:04:00.000 That does actually kind of look like a brown bear, now that I look at it.

01:04:03.000 Or a black bear, rather.

01:04:04.000 Yeah, and then running.

01:04:05.000 The head is going to be narrower, and it took several pictures.

01:04:09.000 Some of the pictures, it looked more like a grizz, just because of the coloration.

01:04:13.000 Some of the pictures, it didn't.

01:04:15.000 So, you know, and keep in mind, you know, mountain grizzlies look a little bit different than, like, a coastal bear or, you know, an inland grizzly, but...

01:04:23.000 Either way, it was a bear that came in and covered the whole carcass and went to eat it.

01:04:30.000 Now, when you were in Alberta, you went back to that place that you were talking about on the first podcast we ever did, where you had that encounter where you shot that elk that was just outside of that wolf den, and the wolves tried to claim the elk.

01:04:42.000 You guys had to shoot your way out of there. 0.99

01:04:45.000 That is a fucking crazy story. 0.99

01:04:48.000 What was it like to be back there again? 0.99

01:04:51.000 What was strange about it is while we were there, I actually found that they were back in that area.

01:05:01.000 There was some fresh tracks and then we heard one howl during that thing.

01:05:07.000 It was a little bit weird because...

01:05:11.000 Did you guys bring extra bullets this time?

01:05:13.000 We only had my bow this time.

01:05:15.000 I'm sending you this, Jamie.

01:05:16.000 Oh, Jesus.

01:05:17.000 But, yeah, the thing that's always kind of creeped me out a little bit was just...

01:05:26.000 I felt like I had kind of a personal connection with that alpha male because he came in at the very end.

01:05:36.000 Because he wanted to know what the heck had taken out three of his pack.

01:05:42.000 It's almost like he's like, I know we're getting out of here, but I want to see this for myself.

01:05:47.000 Because they were close enough, but I don't think they could totally see us.

01:05:52.000 There's the bear.

01:05:53.000 So as that was going away...

01:05:56.000 It looked like a grizzly.

01:05:58.000 Yeah, it does look like a black bear, though, in the nose.

01:06:01.000 Yep, see how the face is more narrow.

01:06:03.000 So...

01:06:04.000 Yeah.

01:06:04.000 And then the claws too.

01:06:06.000 Yup.

01:06:07.000 Yeah, which like on the right foot, the claw looks more like a black bear.

01:06:12.000 On the left foot, there was some grass there that made it a little bit strange.

01:06:17.000 But when that alpha male came in to kind of, you know, I think he just wanted to know, okay, what's caused all this stuff. 0.99

01:06:28.000 I looked him in the face and just pretty much said, I'm going to shoot you in the face. 0.99

01:06:34.000 Every time I go back in that area, I'm like, you know, if this old sucker's walking around, he knows my smell. 1.00

01:06:40.000 He's probably going to be like, there's that... 0.96

01:06:42.000 Do you think he remembers you?

01:06:42.000 Yeah.

01:06:43.000 Personally, they are smart.

01:06:45.000 I could picture him remembering it and saying...

01:06:48.000 Oh, okay.

01:06:50.000 I owe this dude.

01:06:51.000 I owe this dude. 0.98

01:06:53.000 I'm going to make him into a hairy turd on the side of... 0.98

01:06:56.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:06:57.000 I sent you that big wolf shit that had porcupine quills all over it. 1.00

01:07:02.000 Yeah, I put that on Instagram. 0.99

01:07:03.000 It's funny how many people are like, that is not porcupine quills. 0.97

01:07:08.000 It's like, listen, people, I'm in the outdoors 200 days, probably a year, and if there's porcupine quills coming out of a pile of shit, I'm pretty sure I know what it is. 0.96

01:07:18.000 It's hard to tell from a photo. 0.95

01:07:21.000 It's on my Instagram, Jimmy.

01:07:22.000 Oh great, here we go. 1.00

01:07:25.000 A pile of shit with porcupine quills in it. 1.00

01:07:29.000 Can you imagine how goddamn hungry you have to be to be eating porcupine quills and swallow them? 1.00

01:07:33.000 I think a wolf's that tough. 0.99

01:07:35.000 He doesn't care.

01:07:36.000 It's like a bear.

01:07:37.000 Look at how many bears will just go head first into a fire ant bed or a wasp nest.

01:07:44.000 Like yellow jackets?

01:07:45.000 There it is.

01:07:46.000 Make that a little bigger, please.

01:07:48.000 Down in the bottom you can see some nice quills.

01:07:51.000 Yeah.

01:07:52.000 Yeah, some people are going, that's hair.

01:07:54.000 Yeah, there is porcupine hair in there, correct.

01:07:58.000 But those are also quills.

01:07:59.000 There's a couple little blood drops up there.

01:08:01.000 Yeah, that needs some prep H. Owie. 0.95

01:08:06.000 Yeah, they're beasts.

01:08:08.000 They're beasts. 0.96

01:08:09.000 I think their intelligence level is super high.

01:08:15.000 I think a lot of...

01:08:16.000 The more you're in the outdoors and you experience things, demeanors and...

01:08:22.000 Their ability to survive.

01:08:24.000 You look at an old grizzly that's been in those woods for 20 years.

01:08:30.000 Think of the experience level that thing has surviving every single day.

01:08:36.000 I mean, every day just...

01:08:39.000 Maybe making a slight mistake, slipping up a little bit, almost getting jacked by another grizzly, and then you're like, oh, yep, I know not to do this, I know not to do that. 0.96

01:08:48.000 I mean, their intelligence level and their ability to function is extremely high.

01:08:54.000 And wolves are, I mean, arguably wolves probably get shot less than probably any of the other animals.

01:09:01.000 I mean, they are incredibly smart.

01:09:05.000 So, yeah, I wouldn't doubt it, you know.

01:09:09.000 And they were very, after that, they were very intent in that area for people to, they put up some pretty big bounties on the wolves, and they really went after them and knocked those herds down quite a bit because there was very few mule deer,

01:09:27.000 like very few mule deer.

01:09:29.000 You'd hardly see a doe and a fawn.

01:09:31.000 They had to cut the number of tags way down.

01:09:34.000 So elk, as soon as wolves like howl at night, if a pack moves into an area and they howl, like calling elk is just non-existent.

01:09:43.000 They just, everything's just like, don't say nothing because, you know, they're here.

01:09:48.000 So yeah, I think them thinning them down was very rewarding.

01:09:54.000 And since then, which was quite a while ago, the numbers of like elk and moose, like this past year, I saw way more moose than I've seen.

01:10:04.000 I think they're really hard on moose fawns.

01:10:08.000 And yeah, I mean, moose, muleys, whitetails, I saw way more animals this year than in the past up there.

01:10:16.000 And I think it's just because that The wolf number was just much lower.

01:10:22.000 But there was, like I said, there was still sign that there was some in the area, just nothing like several years ago when I was there.

01:10:30.000 It was, you know, it was, even I would say as much as I appreciate balance in nature, it was excessive.

01:10:39.000 And it's getting that way now, like even in Wisconsin.

01:10:42.000 I remember I was talking to a friend of mine up in an area I used to live up by, kind of in the La Crosse area, actually lived a little northeast of La Crosse by a small town called Cataract.

01:10:53.000 And there was...

01:10:55.000 A few times where there were some wolf spottings, there's a big military base there called Fort McCoy, and I lived up on the northern side of the base, what was called the impact area.

01:11:05.000 They kind of shot test rounds over and they kind of went off there or whatever, but There was an incredible number of like deer and things that were in there so you know kind of the rumor was that they had introduced wolves into their timber wolves to let to kind of thin down some of those numbers well now it's to the point where the amount of people I know in Wisconsin that see wolves It's just rapidly increasing and obviously when that happens,

01:11:32.000 you know, they eat stuff.

01:11:34.000 I mean, wolves don't mess around. 0.74

01:11:36.000 They take stuff down and sometimes it's just strange.

01:11:39.000 You don't understand the balance of why there's an introduction to something that, you know, has the possibility to just take over.

01:11:48.000 You know, it's strange.

01:11:50.000 Well, it is, but it's also there needs to be some sort of balance.

01:11:53.000 You don't want the animals...

01:11:56.000 Overpopulating, and you do want some sort of a balance between predator and prey, but the real problem becomes when people don't want to manage the predators.

01:12:06.000 Right.

01:12:06.000 They only want...

01:12:08.000 They want nature to sort itself out.

01:12:10.000 Yeah.

01:12:11.000 It doesn't really work that way, though.

01:12:13.000 Yeah.

01:12:13.000 I mean, it just...

01:12:14.000 People need to understand, like, if you do like deer and you like moose and you like all these other animals, you can't have too many wolves.

01:12:22.000 You can't have too many grizzlies because if you do, you're going to have very few of those other animals.

01:12:29.000 You're not going to see them.

01:12:30.000 They're going to get wiped out.

01:12:31.000 And in some places, like, they're almost at the point of extinction.

01:12:34.000 Like, what is that caribou herd that's in North America?

01:12:39.000 I'm not that familiar with it because I've never really been a caribou person, you know, from a hunting aspect.

01:12:48.000 But they're an animal that's like severely targeted by wolves.

01:12:51.000 Oh, yeah.

01:12:52.000 Yeah, I could see it.

01:12:53.000 Anything with a very predictable migration is going to be very prone to, you know, to any type of prey creature.

01:13:00.000 You look at any of the migrations of like wildebeest and stuff like that in Africa where they're having to migrate.

01:13:07.000 It's like those crocs are just like, oh, yeah, here we go.

01:13:11.000 We know where that river crossing is.

01:13:12.000 We know where the neck down is.

01:13:14.000 It's the same thing.

01:13:15.000 Well, caribou, you know, I'm sure you know this, but many people don't.

01:13:18.000 The females actually have antlers, and the reason why they have antlers is to fend off wolves. 1.00

01:13:23.000 I didn't know that.

01:13:25.000 Yeah, female caribou have antlers. 1.00

01:13:27.000 They're one of the only deer species where the females have antlers. 1.00

01:13:30.000 Yeah, I didn't know.

01:13:31.000 Make sure that's true.

01:13:32.000 I don't think, well, I mean, I guess if it's for wolves, but...

01:13:36.000 They all have antlers, right?

01:13:38.000 All caribou have antlers.

01:13:39.000 Well, you're making me question it.

01:13:41.000 Male and female.

01:13:41.000 I didn't think so, but...

01:13:42.000 I think they do.

01:13:45.000 How good was that elk from Utah?

01:13:50.000 That you cooked in camp?

01:13:51.000 Oh, fantastic.

01:13:52.000 Is that true?

01:13:53.000 I'm right.

01:13:54.000 Ooh, yeah.

01:13:54.000 You're usually right.

01:13:56.000 Eh.

01:13:57.000 People would disagree.

01:13:59.000 I'd say eight out of ten times. 0.99

01:14:01.000 There's a few times where I say things, though, and I go, what the fuck are you saying? 0.99

01:14:04.000 You know what you're saying? 0.99

01:14:05.000 I don't know.

01:14:06.000 At least you question it.

01:14:08.000 Yeah, you question it.

01:14:09.000 Always.

01:14:10.000 And you laugh about it.

01:14:11.000 Yeah.

01:14:11.000 No, I'm no expert.

01:14:12.000 I'm an expert in very, very few things.

01:14:16.000 I think you have very, your intelligence level is high.

01:14:20.000 It just says that males tend to be a little bit bigger.

01:14:22.000 Yeah.

01:14:23.000 Antlers are a little bit bigger, but yeah, they both have them.

01:14:25.000 Yeah, see if it's true that the females have it to fend off wolves. 1.00

01:14:29.000 I think that's theoretical, actually.

01:14:30.000 Yeah.

01:14:31.000 I don't think there's any way they know.

01:14:32.000 That's the part where I was like, wow.

01:14:34.000 I'm pretty sure I saw that in a documentary.

01:14:38.000 That the females have it to fend off wolves.

01:14:42.000 That was speculation.

01:14:44.000 360 video of them.

01:14:46.000 What a cool animal, man.

01:14:47.000 They're so cool looking.

01:14:49.000 They are.

01:14:49.000 I've never hunted them.

01:14:50.000 I would like to.

01:14:51.000 They're supposed to be delicious.

01:14:53.000 And there's a shitload of them.

01:14:55.000 Like, that's the crazy thing about Alaska, the areas of Alaska.

01:14:59.000 Like, they'll have hundreds and hundreds of them in these streams, you know.

01:15:04.000 I think more than that, depending on the migration.

01:15:06.000 Yeah, sure.

01:15:07.000 But, um, not streams, you know, whatever.

01:15:10.000 A path full of them.

01:15:10.000 There's one with no antlers.

01:15:11.000 Must have lost them.

01:15:12.000 Did they lose their antlers?

01:15:14.000 All of them have them.

01:15:15.000 It says there are exceptions.

01:15:16.000 Like, there's only one.

01:15:17.000 Lose one.

01:15:18.000 This dude got jacked.

01:15:19.000 But you'll see elk like that.

01:15:21.000 Yeah.

01:15:22.000 Oh, yeah.

01:15:23.000 We see that.

01:15:24.000 Yours had a broken tine, didn't it?

01:15:26.000 A little one, yeah.

01:15:28.000 Not a big broken one, but we saw one that I almost shot that only had one antler.

01:15:33.000 Yeah.

01:15:33.000 You like that.

01:15:34.000 When you were with me and you shot that one whitetail, I'm like, he's broken on one side. 0.99

01:15:37.000 You're like, I want a gangster.

01:15:40.000 They're going down.

01:15:41.000 It doesn't bother me.

01:15:43.000 The antlers to me are secondary.

01:15:46.000 Number one, I want the meat and I want a mature animal.

01:15:50.000 But two, it doesn't bother me if things snapped off.

01:15:53.000 It means they're just going to war.

01:15:54.000 Yeah.

01:15:55.000 I was really pumped for that camp specifically because I had several good friends there and I really...

01:16:03.000 You know, I'm just geeked out right now about cooking.

01:16:06.000 Me too.

01:16:07.000 Just, I mean, cooking stuff, doing stuff different.

01:16:11.000 That neck that you made?

01:16:12.000 Exactly.

01:16:13.000 Oh my god, I have to figure, you gotta give me that recipe and I gotta figure out how to do that.

01:16:17.000 That was sensational, man.

01:16:19.000 That was so good.

01:16:20.000 That roast?

01:16:21.000 Yeah, we had 51 people.

01:16:23.000 Well, there's a lot of camera people there.

01:16:26.000 There was guides.

01:16:27.000 There was, I think, people that maybe worked there.

01:16:31.000 But, yeah, I made a massive...

01:16:33.000 I took the one half of the elk neck and did a forward sear.

01:16:40.000 So, you know, we've talked about reverse sear that our buddy Chad Ward taught us.

01:16:44.000 But this was a...

01:16:45.000 I call it a forward sear.

01:16:46.000 Maybe I'm wrong, but...

01:16:47.000 It's just a sear.

01:16:47.000 Yeah.

01:16:48.000 So I sear at the beginning.

01:16:50.000 In a big cast iron pot.

01:16:52.000 We had a massive cast iron pot.

01:16:54.000 Barely didn't even fit in the Traeger.

01:16:56.000 And so we seared that whole neck and then seasoned it really well.

01:17:01.000 I seasoned it with like a Traeger Prime rib rub and then a coffee rub.

01:17:06.000 And then I put some of the Black Rifle Nocton loaded coffee in there.

01:17:11.000 And then put in, I think, about...

01:17:16.000 The pot was so massive, but I put in about six cups of bone broth and then covered it with a cast iron lid, wrapped it all up in foil, and then cooked it at 225, I think for about 18 hours because of how big it was.

01:17:33.000 And then we knew it was about ready to be done, so we grilled some peppers and Is that all we put in there?

01:17:43.000 Grilled a bunch of peppers and stuff?

01:17:44.000 Yeah, it was like bell peppers.

01:17:45.000 Yep, bell peppers. 0.99

01:17:47.000 And normally I do some jalapenos too.

01:17:49.000 We didn't have any.

01:17:50.000 Did you put onions in there too?

01:17:51.000 I feel like there's maybe some carrots or something in there too.

01:17:54.000 Well, there was onions.

01:17:55.000 We did grill some onions.

01:17:58.000 I think we're good to go.

01:18:22.000 Covered it back up and just let it...

01:18:24.000 We actually took it out and set it in the Yeti and then let it just kind of sit in that Yeti for about...

01:18:31.000 Well, we went out on the evening hunt and then we came back.

01:18:35.000 And then we ate it for dinner.

01:18:36.000 So it just sat in that Yeti and just kind of maintained temperature and just let all the juices and everything...

01:18:43.000 You know, redistribute back through that shredded meat after we shredded it.

01:18:47.000 And then people just went crazy.

01:18:50.000 The amount of people that were coming up to me saying, what was that?

01:18:53.000 And I'm like, neck.

01:18:54.000 And they couldn't believe it.

01:18:56.000 They couldn't believe that a giant bull with this neck that practically dulled knives trying to cut through was just that awesome.

01:19:04.000 But it really is.

01:19:05.000 Like, low and slow is the name of the game on some of that stuff.

01:19:10.000 Yeah.

01:19:11.000 Well, those Traeger grills, any sort of pellet grill is such a great way to cook something like that, too, because you can maintain the exact temperature for long periods of time.

01:19:22.000 And the thing about, if you've never used a pellet grill, folks, they use these pellets that are made out of wood.

01:19:27.000 So like this table, if you're going to make this table, they would use a saw to make the table, and they would take the actual sawdust and compress it.

01:19:35.000 And the natural sugars in the wood make this compressed pellet.

01:19:39.000 So they don't add any chemicals or anything.

01:19:41.000 It's just wood.

01:19:42.000 Right.

01:19:42.000 And then they have this element that heats it up, and then they have this little worm drive that feeds pellets down into the heated up area.

01:19:51.000 So the heated up area turns into...

01:19:53.000 Yeah, look at that.

01:19:54.000 Bam.

01:19:54.000 The heated up area turns into fire, and you've got this little fire going on in this hopper, where this hopper feeds down into this cup, rather.

01:20:05.000 So the fire's in the cup, and it keeps dropping pellets in there, so it's a natural fire.

01:20:09.000 It's just fire and wood, and it gives us great flavor to the food that you're cooking, whatever.

01:20:15.000 We're cooking vegetables or anything you're cooking, meat.

01:20:18.000 And those things maintain temperature so well. 0.99

01:20:21.000 So you could keep it on 190 degrees and just keep it at 190 for a fucking day. 0.97

01:20:28.000 And they're so efficient that you never have to add pellets. 0.97

01:20:32.000 You could do the entire 16, 18 hours worth of cooking just on one hopper full of pellets.

01:20:38.000 Oh, easy.

01:20:39.000 Easy.

01:20:39.000 I think one bag of pellets is equivalent to a full propane thing.

01:20:44.000 Yeah, so this is what we cooked in camp.

01:20:46.000 John made, that is what's called the backstrap, which would be a...

01:20:52.000 Essentially a tomahawk cut.

01:20:54.000 Yeah.

01:20:55.000 That's a full section of tomahawk steaks.

01:21:00.000 Those are all elk.

01:21:02.000 There's the pot in the background.

01:21:03.000 So it's basically the rib and where the rib goes up to the top of the back and the back that meat that goes along the top of the spine is what most people like best out of elk.

01:21:14.000 Yeah, I gotta find that picture of the two of us.

01:21:16.000 So he cooked it like that with the bones attached just for novelty.

01:21:22.000 Yeah.

01:21:23.000 But it was super delicious.

01:21:25.000 Yeah, people like having that handle to chow down on.

01:21:28.000 It was super delicious.

01:21:28.000 And the fact that we were doing it in camp from an elk that you had shot literally the day before.

01:21:33.000 Yeah.

01:21:34.000 So it was as fresh as it gets.

01:21:35.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:21:36.000 And then you're doing it in the mountains, the view out there.

01:21:39.000 It's just incredible.

01:21:40.000 Yeah, it was awesome.

01:21:41.000 I was happy to tag out early just because of the fact I had a lot of good friends there.

01:21:49.000 And we were able to grill out and chill out and...

01:21:55.000 And I think we probably ate about a third of that thing.

01:21:58.000 We ate a lot of it.

01:21:59.000 Yeah, we ate a ton of it.

01:22:00.000 We ate a ton of it.

01:22:01.000 When you were in Alberta, you shot a deer early in your hunt.

01:22:05.000 Didn't you guys eat almost the entire deer?

01:22:08.000 Yeah, we did.

01:22:11.000 That's a big-ass deer, too. 0.90

01:22:12.000 Yeah, we ate a ton of Andy's elk, too.

01:22:15.000 When Andy shot his bull on 9-11, we still had, I think, five days left of hunting.

01:22:20.000 So we ate elk three meals a day.

01:22:25.000 One of the things I always do is I'll always take a Traeger with me, or, you know, honestly, it sounds weird, but it's an investment to, even if it's one of the portable ones, just to get one there.

01:22:36.000 Well, that new one that they have is awesome.

01:22:39.000 The Ranger.

01:22:39.000 The really small one?

01:22:40.000 Yep.

01:22:41.000 That thing is perfect.

01:22:42.000 Yeah, the Ranger.

01:22:43.000 And it's not heavy either.

01:22:44.000 No.

01:22:45.000 That thing's the perfect size for camping.

01:22:47.000 Yeah, it's...

01:22:48.000 I'm trying to think.

01:22:50.000 I don't know what the weight is, but yeah, it's perfect for camping.

01:22:53.000 And you can just plug it in.

01:22:54.000 Like, I have a Ram truck, and you can actually just plug in right inside.

01:22:59.000 I normally just have an extension cord, run it through the rear window, and just plug and go.

01:23:05.000 I mean, I took one with...

01:23:08.000 Me and Sharon went down to Oklahoma hunting, and actually...

01:23:12.000 That thing right there.

01:23:13.000 Yep.

01:23:13.000 Yeah.

01:23:14.000 How much does that thing weigh?

01:23:15.000 Does it say?

01:23:17.000 I don't know.

01:23:18.000 It's not super light because, I mean, they are heavy-duty, 41 pounds.

01:23:24.000 Yeah.

01:23:24.000 That's crazy.

01:23:25.000 Yeah.

01:23:26.000 I mean, it's...

01:23:26.000 For on-the-go, it's awesome.

01:23:28.000 And the new Ranger one's actually a little better than that one.

01:23:30.000 It's got a digital scale for the thermostat.

01:23:35.000 Is the new one for sale?

01:23:37.000 Yeah.

01:23:38.000 Or what's this one?

01:23:39.000 This one sold out.

01:23:40.000 Yeah, that one sold out.

01:23:42.000 The new one's called the Ranger.

01:23:46.000 But yeah, they're dynamite.

01:23:48.000 You can just plug them in.

01:23:50.000 Well, we were talking...

01:23:52.000 Yeah, there it is right there.

01:23:53.000 $3.99.

01:23:54.000 Yeah, that's the thing.

01:23:56.000 You know, if you lived in the city, like I've got a...

01:23:58.000 I bring him up a lot just because I think what he does is cool, but I've got a buddy that lives in New York, and I found him on Instagram working out in Central Park all the time.

01:24:08.000 And one time I was in...

01:24:09.000 I was close to Central Park in the morning, and I knew he always worked out early, so I text him at like 5 in the morning.

01:24:15.000 I said, hey, dude...

01:24:17.000 I said, are you up?

01:24:18.000 And he texted back and said, yeah, his name is Joseph.

01:24:20.000 And I said, I want to do one of these Central Park workouts with you.

01:24:24.000 And he just carries some supplies in a big backpack and he rucks in.

01:24:28.000 And then he literally just like has certain rocks and stuff.

01:24:32.000 And he has...

01:24:34.000 If he got there and you were on his rock, would he get mad?

01:24:37.000 Yeah.

01:24:38.000 No, he would be happy.

01:24:40.000 See, we've got to learn a lesson here by Joseph.

01:24:43.000 Yeah, exactly.

01:24:44.000 So I did a workout with him, but he was telling me, he's like, if you ever get any of that elk meat or anything, I'd love to try it.

01:24:52.000 And he's big into, I think, keto.

01:24:56.000 But he was telling me how much he pays for store-bought meat in New York.

01:25:01.000 And I'm like, oh my goodness, that is astronomical.

01:25:05.000 And he's like, and I don't really know where it comes from.

01:25:08.000 And for someone that's that in tune with his body, he was kind of disappointed that that's what his options were.

01:25:15.000 But then I started thinking, I'm like, well, do you have the ability for a grill?

01:25:21.000 Living in Iowa or living where you are, we've got some big grills.

01:25:25.000 We have the space for it.

01:25:27.000 But some people, I think back to myself when I was in my 20s living in an apartment, I wouldn't have had the space for that.

01:25:33.000 That right there is a great option.

01:25:36.000 It's literally not much bigger than a couple briefcases.

01:25:39.000 Put it on your patio.

01:25:40.000 Put it on your patio.

01:25:41.000 If you're cooking for two, it would be perfect.

01:25:44.000 Yeah, you could easily cook for two on that thing.

01:25:46.000 You can cook for more than two on that thing. 0.84

01:25:48.000 And the cleanup is the most important thing with any pellet grill, if anyone's ever going to get one.

01:25:53.000 The two things I can tell you are most important is one, Just recognize that it runs off a wooden pellet.

01:26:00.000 So treat the pellets like you would campfire wood.

01:26:05.000 If you leave campfire wood out where it's getting rained on all the time, it's going to be a pain to start it or it's not going to burn that great.

01:26:13.000 So if you keep those dry, I always put my pellets after I pour the bag in, whatever's left.

01:26:18.000 I actually put in one of my Yeti buckets and put that, you know, that kind of it's, I don't know, it's like a sealable lid that I push down.

01:26:26.000 Traeger makes buckets.

01:26:27.000 They make buckets specifically for them.

01:26:29.000 They sent me a couple of them.

01:26:30.000 Yeah, the buckets are good, but keep in your pallet, you know, if you're in a high humidity place like Florida, don't keep...

01:26:39.000 Don't keep your pellets outside.

01:26:42.000 If they're in the grill and you're using the grill, that's one thing, but don't keep the bags of them out there all the time.

01:26:48.000 And then as you use it, there's the little, it's called a, I think they call it a burning pot.

01:26:53.000 Essentially, your pellets are burning in a small pot.

01:26:57.000 Think of that just the same as you would a campfire pit.

01:27:00.000 As you're burning wood all the time, there's going to be ash left.

01:27:03.000 And if that pot fills up with ash, there's not going to be the ability for as much pellets to go in there.

01:27:10.000 So it's not going to burn as hot.

01:27:11.000 So, you know, if you get to the point where you're not able to get to your higher temperatures, it's probably because you have too much ash in your pot.

01:27:21.000 So, yeah.

01:27:21.000 Yeah, clean it out, and then it'll, pretty much from there, be as easy as flipping it to on and turning it to the temperature that you want, and it's done.

01:27:31.000 Yeah, I was telling you that I tried cooking on a regular grill, a propane grill, the other day, and it just sucked.

01:27:36.000 It was flaring up, just, you know, fire and smoke because the fat was dripping down into the fire.

01:27:42.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:27:43.000 It's a shitty way of cooking.

01:27:44.000 They do have a really cool grill, though, that cooks from above. 0.61

01:27:48.000 I've seen one of those.

01:27:49.000 It's pretty badass.

01:27:51.000 You can raise or lower the heat and bring it closer to the meat or lift it above so you don't get any flare-ups.

01:28:00.000 It just cooks from above.

01:28:01.000 Well, it's definitely a better way to do it if you're using propane.

01:28:04.000 I remember once I bought some ribeyes, and this was back when I didn't have the money to buy good steaks, but I had some people over and I thought, I'm going to buy some good steaks.

01:28:15.000 Went out and spit quite a bit, getting some good ribeyes and everything.

01:28:20.000 And because there's so much marbling, I remember I came inside.

01:28:23.000 I had those on the grill.

01:28:25.000 I didn't even have them that high for temperature.

01:28:27.000 I came inside and I started working on vegetables or pouring drinks for people.

01:28:31.000 And all of a sudden I look out and there's just smoke rolling out of my Weber.

01:28:36.000 And I go out there and lift it up.

01:28:37.000 And my ribeyes, all that marbling, it was just a big burning mess.

01:28:42.000 It looked like I took a flamethrower to one half of my ribeyes.

01:28:45.000 I was so bummed out.

01:28:46.000 Yeah, it's hard doing it right.

01:28:48.000 Yeah.

01:28:48.000 There's an art to cooking.

01:28:50.000 There is.

01:28:51.000 One of the things that I'm really learning from getting into hunting and getting into cooking my own food is learning how to do it correctly.

01:28:59.000 And it's fun.

01:29:00.000 There's a real art to it, you know, like that neck roast that you made or like some of the more interesting things.

01:29:05.000 Do you ever do shanks?

01:29:07.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:29:08.000 I did two last week.

01:29:11.000 I shot that whitetail in South Dakota, and I took both of the front quarters and then did slow cooks with those, and they're awesome.

01:29:24.000 The key for any of that stuff that normally has a lot of tendons and stuff that's a tougher section of the meat, a lot of people try to cook them too fast and you don't break down that cartilage.

01:29:35.000 You need that cartilage to really cook slow to the point where it gels and it breaks down and it almost turns into marbling and then it'll turn into flavoring, which is kind of what happened with the neck.

01:29:48.000 Once it cooks slow enough, even all those harder tendons that are in there, they just slowly start decomposing.

01:29:54.000 They become like more of a marbling that's mixed in.

01:29:57.000 And it's really, really good.

01:29:59.000 I mean, it's awesome.

01:30:01.000 And I'm a big advocate on the simpler you keep things cooking-wise.

01:30:07.000 For me, the better the flavors are that I get.

01:30:10.000 I'm a very simple cook.

01:30:12.000 And when people ask me to do...

01:30:15.000 People see pictures that I post cooking and they're like, well, you need to do a cookbook.

01:30:20.000 No, I'm not.

01:30:21.000 My cookbook would be boring because it would be olive oil, probably I would have coffee for rub, I'd have a prime rib rub.

01:30:31.000 Probably a decent rock salt.

01:30:33.000 But other than that, grass-fed butters, olive oils, or a couple basic rubs, that's all I use, period.

01:30:40.000 And a bone broth if I cook something slow to break down.

01:30:45.000 But I just literally stay with those staple things.

01:30:49.000 And from there, I'll cook according to the directions.

01:30:53.000 One of the things I learned to do was rest my meat.

01:30:57.000 So...

01:30:58.000 I won't take meat off and just cut right into it.

01:31:00.000 And you rest it in a cooler?

01:31:02.000 Yeah, I rest it in a Yeti all the time.

01:31:04.000 All the time.

01:31:05.000 And you cover it with aluminum foil.

01:31:07.000 Or butcher paper.

01:31:08.000 When you do it, do you get it to a certain temperature?

01:31:10.000 Say if you want your meat to hit an internal temperature like 130. Do you get it to like 120 and then put it in the cooler and then let it rise to like 130 while it's in there?

01:31:20.000 Because it keeps cooking, right?

01:31:21.000 Yeah, it's going to rise some.

01:31:23.000 Yeah, it will rise some.

01:31:25.000 You've got to plan that out before you rest it, too, if you're going to do it in a cooler, right?

01:31:29.000 Yeah.

01:31:30.000 Normally, it depends how long you're going to rest it.

01:31:33.000 Normally, I plan on about six degrees it'll go up.

01:31:36.000 But as you're resting it in the cooler, you can still check it.

01:31:40.000 You can let it sit for 10 or 15 minutes and then check it.

01:31:44.000 Normally, for me, five degrees is a really good number.

01:31:47.000 I'll stop five degrees less than where I want to eat it.

01:31:50.000 Because when I put it in there and wrap it up, most vegetables for me take 20 minutes.

01:31:55.000 Like as soon as I pull that off my Traeger, I'll turn it up to high.

01:32:00.000 And then take vegetables that I just like toss in olive oil and I'll season with a basic rub, put them in there.

01:32:07.000 But anything like broccoli, asparagus, peppers, cauliflower, anything like that that I cook on there is going to take 20 minutes roughly on high.

01:32:15.000 And the meat is just resting at that point.

01:32:18.000 And then I can literally pull the meat off.

01:32:20.000 If I want to do reverse here, I can do it just long enough to where that temperature hits the exact number if it hadn't reached that yet.

01:32:28.000 Otherwise, I can just slice it and according to, you know, the color throughout that, I'll serve it out to everybody according to whether they want it.

01:32:36.000 If you want something a little more done, you give them one of the end pieces.

01:32:39.000 If people want it less done, you give them the piece in the middle.

01:32:41.000 But typically, if I'm going to let it rest for 20 minutes, I'll pull it at about, you know, 129 degrees.

01:32:47.000 Because I like mine at like 135 or so.

01:32:50.000 You like yours a little less, you like yours a little, you know, redder than me. 0.99

01:32:53.000 I think you like yours at more like 130 finish, don't you?

01:32:56.000 Yeah.

01:32:59.000 Besides keeping, you know, the basics for seasoning is those thermopens, right?

01:33:05.000 I mean, if you have a probe, that's the one thing that I learned from our buddy Chad Ward is, you know, when he travels, he travels with a good knife and he travels with a probe.

01:33:17.000 And mine's from ThermaWorks.

01:33:20.000 It's one I got as a gift someone gave me, and I can tell you that that was one of the best things to get.

01:33:26.000 Yeah, I have a regular internal thermometer that's really cool because I can keep it in the kitchen, and it's got one probe, and then it registers to a second unit, which you can keep as a remote.

01:33:42.000 You can keep it far away from the grill.

01:33:45.000 It tells you what's going on.

01:33:46.000 It's like Bluetooth or something, or wireless.

01:33:48.000 Yep.

01:33:49.000 Steve Rinella actually has a really good cookbook that just came out.

01:33:52.000 I should say that.

01:33:53.000 I was going to have it in here today.

01:33:55.000 He sent it to my house, and it's at my house right now.

01:33:57.000 But it literally just came out.

01:34:00.000 His are on ninja level.

01:34:03.000 Yeah, if you want to take things to the next level.

01:34:05.000 I mean, he's one of those rare guys that has a television show, a hunting television show, where literally most of the episodes he's cooking something.

01:34:16.000 That's it right now.

01:34:18.000 Meat-eater fishing game cookbook.

01:34:19.000 Okay, it's available November 20th. 0.98

01:34:21.000 It's not available to you fucks yet. 0.90

01:34:23.000 I already have it Sorry folks, but it's really good though. 0.55

01:34:27.000 It's excellent He sent me a you know publishers version that had like just black and white photos But I just got the full version a couple of days ago and it's it's really excellent and but he's got really really cool recipes and Interesting stuff.

01:34:41.000 And if you don't have any wild game, you could always buy bison from supermarkets.

01:34:46.000 Some supermarkets have that and you could cook that and cook it in the same way.

01:34:51.000 We're gonna bust a bison. 1.00

01:34:52.000 Yeah.

01:34:54.000 In this winter.

01:34:55.000 Yeah, for good cause. 1.00

01:34:56.000 I'm gonna come in and put a fucking bison coat on, son. 1.00

01:34:59.000 I'm gonna do all my podcasts with a giant bison coat. 1.00

01:35:02.000 You better get an air conditioner in this sucker, dude. 1.00

01:35:05.000 I love bison. 0.99

01:35:06.000 Yeah.

01:35:06.000 It's delicious meat.

01:35:07.000 It is awesome.

01:35:08.000 It is awesome.

01:35:11.000 You, myself, and our buddy Andy Stump are going to go.

01:35:16.000 For sure, me and Andy, both of our bison are going to be for...

01:35:20.000 That meat is going to have a purpose.

01:35:24.000 Andy and I kind of, I don't know, through some just talk at a hunting camp, kind of started this thing that we call Free Range American, right?

01:35:32.000 And it's literally a brand that's not really about us.

01:35:35.000 It's just about all these...

01:35:37.000 We have all these friends that just do crazy stuff.

01:35:40.000 And Andy's arguably one of the craziest friends I got. 0.85

01:35:44.000 No, he's the craziest. 0.97

01:35:44.000 Yeah, he's probably the craziest. 0.97

01:35:45.000 He holds the world record for the furthest distance travel in one of those flying squirrel suits.

01:35:49.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:35:50.000 He's out of his fucking mind. 1.00

01:35:51.000 He is the craziest. 1.00

01:35:52.000 But, you know, we just... 1.00

01:35:53.000 One time we were just talking about, you know, just awesome shit people do. 0.86

01:35:59.000 And he's like, you know, we need to just... 0.98

01:36:00.000 We just need to motivate people and just talk people into tagging us when they do awesome shit. 0.95

01:36:07.000 And so then... 0.97

01:36:08.000 That's the shirt.

01:36:09.000 Yeah.

01:36:09.000 The shirt you're wearing.

01:36:10.000 Do awesome shit. 1.00

01:36:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:36:11.000 So did you guys start this company together? 0.98

01:36:13.000 This t-shirt company?

01:36:14.000 Is that the idea?

01:36:15.000 Yeah.

01:36:15.000 Yeah, well, it's more than just that.

01:36:17.000 But yeah, the entire brand or, you know, like the social media stuff is all just, it's based around people that, you know, just tag us with the hashtag DoAwesomeShit and they show us what they're doing as free-ranging Americans.

01:36:30.000 And, you know, it's anything.

01:36:32.000 It's not just what Andy and I like.

01:36:34.000 I mean, you know, some guys are, you know, firemen that just do crazy stuff.

01:36:42.000 There's people that have some, you know, there's been some motor, some MX guys that just post some crazy-ass pictures, like Shane Dorian, some of the waves he's on. 0.99

01:36:52.000 That's just crazy shit that he's doing, right? 0.94

01:36:54.000 And what are you going to do with the meat from the Bisons? 0.99

01:36:58.000 Andy's got a big fifth wheel.

01:37:02.000 He calls it the Do Awesome Shipmobile.

01:37:05.000 We're going to start on the west coast this spring.

01:37:10.000 We're going to start where Andy went through Buds.

01:37:14.000 We're going to hit a base for one of each of the military branches.

01:37:19.000 We're going to try to end at Fort Bragg where I was born.

01:37:22.000 But we're going to start with the Navy.

01:37:24.000 We're going to end with the Army.

01:37:27.000 And we're going to go to bases and we're just going to cook wild game out on the Do Awesome Shipmobile.

01:37:33.000 We've got tragers.

01:37:34.000 Chad Ward's going to be following close behind with some giant rolling tragers.

01:37:41.000 And we're going to get these bisons ground up to do some cool bison burgers and stuff like that. 0.83

01:37:48.000 If you're going to hit a bunch of military bases, you're going to need a lot of buffalo.

01:37:51.000 We're going to take some buffaloes down, and then we're going to also have some really cool brands supporting us. 0.94

01:37:57.000 But yeah, we're more or less just trying to support the troops, promote clean eating, doing awesome shit, and it's going to be fun. 0.73

01:38:06.000 So we're still working out the details, but that's going to be coming. 0.78

01:38:09.000 And I'm...

01:38:11.000 Super thankful to all my friends that are military-based or have served for us.

01:38:18.000 It's just another way that I can do one of the few things I'm good at.

01:38:21.000 I can show people how to shoot archery or I can cook for them.

01:38:25.000 That's kind of my forte.

01:38:28.000 I'm looking forward to it.

01:38:29.000 I think it's going to be a mobile party.

01:38:32.000 That sounds fun.

01:38:33.000 So when that all goes down, I'll let people know.

01:38:36.000 I'll put it on social media, and we'll talk about it here and let folks know.

01:38:41.000 John Cavanaugh should be here in a second now, if he's not already here.

01:38:44.000 I don't know if they're here yet.

01:38:45.000 Are they here yet?

01:38:46.000 Someone's here.

01:38:47.000 They're here.

01:38:47.000 Okay.

01:38:47.000 So we're going to talk to Conor McGregor's coach and George Lockhart, who's Conor's weight-cutting coach.

01:38:55.000 I think he does his nutrition as well.

01:38:57.000 He looked awesome.

01:38:57.000 He did look dynamite.

01:38:59.000 Wow, he's getting fucked up. 0.99

01:39:00.000 He looked pretty good. 1.00

01:39:02.000 Very true. 0.99

01:39:03.000 It's a fucking hard sport. 0.99

01:39:05.000 It's a hard sport. 0.99

01:39:07.000 I'll tell you one thing, though.

01:39:08.000 It would have been nice to talk to him afterwards, because I think he would have been gracious in defeat.

01:39:16.000 I really do.

01:39:16.000 Yeah, I agree with that.

01:39:18.000 I think he was on social media.

01:39:21.000 He said it was a good crack.

01:39:24.000 Maybe we'll get a rematch. 1.00

01:39:26.000 He talked a tremendous amount of shit, and it's just hard for people to recover from that. 1.00

01:39:30.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:39:32.000 Part of the game.

01:39:33.000 Part of the fun.

01:39:33.000 Part of it.

01:39:34.000 John Dudley.

01:39:35.000 All right.

01:39:35.000 Knock on TV. You can catch him on Instagram and you could follow...

01:39:41.000 No K on the front.

01:39:43.000 No K on the front.

01:39:44.000 No K on the front.

01:39:45.000 Archery knock. 0.85

01:39:46.000 And if you're interested in archery, that's the man to follow.

01:39:48.000 Or freerangeamerican.us.

01:39:50.000 There you go. 1.00

01:39:51.000 All right, fuckers. 1.00

01:39:52.000 See you soon. 1.00

The Joe Rogan Experience - October 08, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1181 - John Dudley

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