Joe Rogan is back from his trip to Las Vegas with his good friend Anthony Bourdain. They talk about how they met, what it's like to be a celebrity chef, and what it s like being married to a mixed martial arts fighter.
00:01:30.000Now he's pretty much like sort of this traveling guy who samples food in different restaurants all throughout the world, but more is like a commentator on the cultures of these places, you know, and uses food as sort of like a way to get you to know the culture.
00:01:45.000You know, uses like eating with indigenous people and these like tribes and weird fucking crazy places.
00:01:54.000And so I met him and, you know, just knowing some, just, it's the weirdest fucking thing when you admire someone and you like their work and they know who you are too, you know, and all of a sudden you're talking about stuff.
00:04:46.000But he doesn't do the stunts anymore because his fucking body was falling apart because this poor guy's eating 20-pound cheeseburgers every night while they're filming.
00:05:44.000If I wanted lasagna, I couldn't have lasagna, you know?
00:05:47.000So then to me, it's like, wait a second, you know what?
00:05:49.000I mean, I would rather be somewhere kind of in the middle where I still eat healthy most of the time, but I need to eat fucking bad once in a while.
00:07:05.000And jiu-jitsu is all about fucking twisting bones and bodies, you know, and that does not seem like it's a good idea.
00:07:11.000Like, hey, do I want to have knee problems for the rest of my life?
00:07:14.000Do I want to deal with all the fucking bullshit that's going to come along with doing jiu-jitsu, like fucking getting ringworm and all that crap?
00:07:20.000Or do I want to get a membership at 24-hour fitness?
00:07:24.000Sounds like someone clearly is a glass half-empty sort of fella.
00:07:28.000You know, there's positive benefits from these things, man.
00:07:59.000Same reason if somebody goes, hey, would you rather hang out with three guys and watch sports or would you rather hang out with three girls and watch porn?
00:08:06.000Yeah, I would have to say that it's sort of a learned thing.
00:08:25.000Like if a guy, like say if you are like, you're doing no gi and a guy's on top of you and you got him in half guard or something like that and he's sweating, his chest could easily be on your face.
00:10:14.000And of course there's that, you know, MRSA, the antibiotic-resistant staph infection that they have now that's really dangerous because it's a very, very strong form of it, and it's very hard to kill.
00:10:28.000It's from mostly from people not taking their antibiotics correctly.
00:10:31.000You know, and what I've found, one of the best things to get rid of like athlete's foot and shit, which I'm sure you get in an environment like that a lot, is apple cider vinegar.
00:10:41.000You rub that stuff on it a couple of times and it's gone.
00:10:43.000They say you're supposed to pee on your feet too.
00:12:08.000But there's a thing called urine therapy, and the idea behind it is that your body processes waste, and that waste comes out in the form of shit, but that also when water waste comes out, the water that comes out of your body is actually sterile and that there are some sort of nutrients in it and antibodies when you're trying to get over colds and things of that nature.
00:12:32.000And so a lot of doctors say it's utter, complete, total horseshit.
00:12:36.000But people in indigenous cultures, for instance, have been doing that to try to cure diseases and illnesses for a long, long time.
00:12:44.000Obviously, modern medicine is way better than drinking your own piss.
00:12:48.000Well, you know, what's interesting is in India, every year, every couple of years, they have a meeting of doctors who meet up to discuss the latest research in urine therapy.
00:12:58.000I knew somebody who went to the doctor in South America for a skin problem and was told to drink their urine.
00:13:08.000So it is, it's not, you know, it's very rare, I think, especially in the United States, but I think in India and China and certain places in South America, it has been adopted.
00:13:59.000Well, it actually tastes about what you ate that day.
00:14:02.000I mean, if you drank a bunch of coffee and soda pop and ate a bunch of crap food, it's probably going to taste pretty fucking bad.
00:14:09.000But if you eat healthy and take care of yourself, you know, I've done it a few times when I was sick.
00:14:14.000And something else that we'll talk about later, when I was on mushrooms, and you can recycle your urine.
00:14:22.000It's supposed to put you through Pluto.
00:14:24.000Right, and it doesn't taste bad at all.
00:14:26.000But it's interesting is like people that do it for health reasons, they say that it enables them to monitor their body on a regular basis of what their intake is because they immediately taste it and it's like, oh, shit.
00:15:10.000You know, I mean, I'll do it on a regular basis, but there was a big thing about Leoto Machita in the UFC, that Leoto Machita does it, and that his father, who is this karate master, has trained him since he was a young boy, and he recycles his urine every morning.
00:15:24.000Every morning he gets up and drinks his pee.
00:15:28.000It might be bullshit, but if people have been doing it for that long, there might be some merit in it.
00:15:33.000Yeah, I've had people come up to me when I've given lectures and say that they've taken it for various gout or leg problems and pain problems, and after four to six, eight weeks, their problems cleared up.
00:15:46.000Do they just piss all over their gout?
00:16:16.000There was a guy who used to post on the message board until he got too creepy and someone banned him.
00:16:22.000I forget what his deal was, but he would get these girls that didn't have any money and he would take care of them for a little while and eventually do a bunch of dirty shit to them.
00:16:46.000But I remember he made a lot of people angry because they were like, well, if this guy's telling the truth, he's a real piece of shit as a human being.
00:16:52.000And if he's just trolling, like, stop.
00:17:11.000It's like, this is, it's obviously very good and very well written because the idea behind it is kind of gross to me that you would like go out of your way to take some poor woman who doesn't know what to do with her life and she's really broke and you force her into you know doing weird shit for you because you know that's how you get off and then you write about it you know like that's like you're victimizing people and why are you doing that but not knowing whether or not it was true or not true you know and choosing to look at it from the point of view like maybe it's just fiction maybe this guy's just into the mind of a creep you know who knows who knows but
00:18:10.000Like every room was a different theme.
00:18:12.000of painting and uh it was really cool but after six o'clock it turns into a nightclub that op that's open until like 8 a.m and it's just the gay the gay people the ravers 6 a.m 8 a.m it goes about no but what time does it start 6 p.m 6 p.m so we we got back to the hotel and there was like you know lines of people getting in the hotel and the red rope and they're like you have to wait in line i'm like no we're staying here and they're like oh go through we go and the whole lobby is a rave i'm like what the fuck is this
00:18:42.000So we go upstairs and then I'm looking out the window and it was one of those views where it's like you're just looking at air conditioning units like it's the roof.
00:18:50.000But there's just people that were sneaking in through like this air conditioning unit and going up there and doing like crazy drugs and having sex right outside your window.
00:19:04.000Yeah, there was a door going through the floor and they were climbing out and like all these people were hanging out on the roof outside of our window.
00:19:13.000And then I'm looking and I'm like these beds are probably just made for having sex with hookers and like strippers that are coming from the strip club, you know.
00:19:21.000And so there's that red pillow that was on the bed.
00:19:24.000It was like one of those fashion pillows that you throw on the ground you don't really sleep on.
00:20:30.000If you go to a hotel room and they would have like pay-per-view channels and you could click on it and you wouldn't be able to see anything.
00:20:38.000And then the lights didn't turn on and off.
00:20:40.000They turned on and off when you wanted to.
00:20:42.000And they were like, yeah, this is an eco-friendly hotel where you put your key in and it controls the air conditioning and the lights, which means the air conditioning didn't work and all the lights were just flashing on and off whenever they wanted to.
00:20:53.000And then the pool area, topless pool area, but like 90% of the girls were like, holy shit, I have hairier chest than her.
00:21:02.000Or I mean, she has a hairier chest than me.
00:21:04.000It was fucking the worst hotel in the history of hotels.
00:22:48.000And it was like what they say, you know, some people say the last straw that drove Hemingway to commit suicide.
00:22:55.000And that he was, people thought he was just paranoid.
00:22:59.000But in fact, the government really was watching him.
00:23:01.000Like why the fuck would you be watching a writer?
00:23:04.000You know, like what do you, you know, the idea I guess is that he was too close to the communists or something like that because he was always in Cuba.
00:23:11.000You know, like he was going to fucking overthrow the government or something.
00:23:16.000Yeah, you know, there was so much intelligence going on on different levels.
00:23:22.000You had this whole dialectic between communism and capitalism on one level being steered by bankers higher up.
00:23:30.000But all of this stuff, you know, that goes into a lot of my current research right now.
00:23:36.000In fact, I've got Council on Foreign Relations documents sitting right here next to me from them talking about mushrooms and stuff like that, you know, the key players in the Council on Foreign Relations.
00:23:46.000These people are into crazy stuff on so many levels, you know.
00:24:00.000And you would have to think that anyone with any level of intelligence who is in any position of power would want to know about chemicals that change people's minds.
00:24:22.000Well, interestingly, what I've found out recently is that there was this exclusive club that a lot of these elitists and bankers and intelligence people belong to.
00:24:35.000And they would share the information on psychedelics at the highest levels.
00:24:40.000I mean, pretty much everybody at the highest levels from the 1940s through the 60s knew what was going on about psychedelics on every level before the public did.
00:24:54.000I don't know how you could be in any position of power and not be aware of something that powerful.
00:25:00.000Something that's, you know, like the whole movement of the 60s and whether people want to wrap their head around it or not, that was all drugs.
00:25:07.000That whole, you know, that whole acid culture that was coming out of San Francisco, that whole summer of love, that generational gap, that huge leap between the 1950s and 1960s, that was all drugs, man.
00:25:22.000It was all people smoking pot and people doing heroin and people, you know, getting high on mushrooms and acid and feeling things that they had never felt before and being able to express things in a way they had never felt before.
00:25:34.000And the disenfranchised, every fucking generation feels disenfranchised, man.
00:26:11.000We're not going to go through it, but.
00:26:13.000uh there's some serious stuff right here that shows how top members of U.S. intelligence like Alan Dulles, John Foster Dulles, bankers like Frank Alchultz and other guys like Walter Lippmann, all of these intelligence people as well, were at the highest levels involved in all of the psychedelics.
00:26:42.000Any conspiracy theorists out there will know who Alan Dulles is.
00:26:45.000Okay, I have no idea who any of those people are, but I do think that if I was like a total internet conspiracy geek and he just hit me with all those names in a row, I would have the Uber obscure name guy hard on right now.
00:27:05.000I was thinking about all those documents.
00:27:07.000Don't they have them like in PDF form now?
00:27:09.000You can just have them like, I have all these documents on my phone.
00:27:13.000This little thing right here is eight gigs.
00:27:15.000And the only reason why it's eight gigs is because the 16 gig ones, for some reason or they don't process well with our little MP3 recorder.
00:27:22.000We don't need your crazy papers, your stacks of nonsense.
00:27:27.000The problem with that is we don't believe it unless it's on paper, man.
00:27:30.000If it's digital, you can do anything digital shit.
00:27:32.000You can do anything to paper shit, too.
00:27:34.000The age of knowing what the fuck anything is is over.
00:29:13.000See, now I have like this energy thing where I really think it's mushrooms or psychedelics that's kind of enhanced this, that I could actually look at people and kind of hear them talk and look at their eyes and face and not actually study it.
00:29:26.000Just overall, I could feel they're kind of like an energy almost.
00:29:29.000Like I can see if this person's a little dark in places and kind of like it's weird.
00:29:34.000It's true, but there are certain people that you're not going to feel.
00:29:56.000He like invented this name and pretended he was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and made his way into the mixed martial arts community as a total scam artist.
00:30:06.000And Eddie had disowned him for lying about jiu-jitsu because Eddie found out that he lied about being a black belt and he wasn't really a black belt at all.
00:30:15.000So Eddie stopped hanging out with him because he's like, this guy's crazy.
00:32:38.000That's like expressing themselves in the most ridiculous and outrageous and self-serving way possible, as opposed to this idea of the pious Christian who's trying to serve the Holy Father.
00:32:50.000Well, you have his fascination with serial killers, too, which is another level.
00:35:02.000So the Pharmacatic Inquisition was what you were going to call it at one point in time, and then you decided to just do it as a lecture series.
00:35:09.000Well, you know, Astrotheology and Shamanism describe more of what the book is about, which is the, well, we publish ancient primary texts about ancient sun and star worship and Christianity, and I've also published more recently ancient primary texts on Christians using mushrooms as well, which is what my second book is about.
00:35:31.000That's the holy mushroom evidence of mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity.
00:35:35.000But in that book, I published the first ancient primary texts of mushroom use by Christians, and it was a document called The Epistle to the Renegade Bishops, which is a Canaanized text for the Orthodox Church.
00:35:50.000You know what I'd love about Jan before you go any further?
00:36:45.000It shows the colors of the cardinal and how the cardinals, well, you know, the ancient Catholic Church period, the ancient Christianity, they were obsessed with that mushroom.
00:36:59.000Hold up the front cover of the holy mushroom book.
00:37:01.000It's hard to see because this is a really old painting.
00:37:05.000And when you're looking at it, let me tell them what it is, though.
00:37:10.000On the right side of the window there up above is baby Jesus writing on the back of St. Christopher and baby Jesus is in the shape of a mushroom and we've even had a professor of mycology identify the exact type of mushroom that Jesus is depicted as there and that's from Montferron du Parigord, France, from the 13th century from a chapel there.
00:37:31.000And there's a lot of mushrooms on this fucking wall.
00:37:35.000So wouldn't you think just back then that artist that did it was just like, man, I'd like to eat some mushrooms and I got hired to do this church.
00:37:43.000They're like, what is with the mushroom?
00:38:06.000Well, we actually do have several primary texts about it.
00:38:09.000In fact, there's one text found in the Jewish Kabbalah in the book of Zohar that specifically discusses the mushroom, the red mushroom, or the red fungus, actually.
00:38:19.000And like I said, the Christian text, the Epistle of the Renegade Bishops, there's a Muslim text from the 7th century that discusses manna being a type of mushroom.
00:38:31.000And mana was referred to in other texts as well, and soma was referred to in the Hindu text, and that was also thought to be possibly related to right.
00:38:40.000And there is an argument right now going on between academics if the manna, where it says that it's a mushroom in this Muslim Mishkat text, if it's talking about a truffle or a psychedelic mushroom, and the word there that they use, you know, it describes the word sight, and the word sight that is written in the original text can be spiritual or visual sight.
00:39:03.000So the debate is whether or not this truffle is a mushroom mushroom or a truffle-type mushroom.
00:39:09.000So, you know, but either way, mana-mana appears to have been a type of mushroom.
00:39:15.000But, you know, I have to give John Marco Allegro credit.
00:39:19.000I'm the publisher of the 40th anniversary edition of his book.
00:39:22.000And this book here was actually a really famous book in the 1970s.
00:39:30.000We've talked about this many times on the show.
00:40:16.000He was studying his doctorate in philology there in Asiatic languages, which that part of the Middle East is considered Asia.
00:40:26.000And so he, somebody contacted the university and asked them to send their best, so they recommended John Allegro go.
00:40:36.000And so he worked to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls from 1953 until 1968.
00:40:42.000He was actually the only member of the Dead Sea Scrolls team to ever release any information about the Dead Sea Scrolls to the public during that period from like 1953 until 1991.
00:40:57.000And so the other members of the team sat on their information for years.
00:41:02.000And after a huge blow-up, the Huntington Library in about 1990-91, which is over by Pasadena, they finally released all of their photographs in their possession of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which finally allowed other scholars to get their hands on them and translate them.
00:41:20.000But John Allegro, up until that point, was the only one that was fighting against the rest of the team to put information out.
00:41:27.000If you go to Dead Sea Scrolls displays today, they almost completely omit them from any mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but he was really the key player to get it out to the public.
00:41:37.000And so, well, what happened was in the 1950s, Professor John Ramsbottom from the London Botanical Museum published a book suggesting that Adam and Eve in the tree of knowledge was a mushroom, and he showed a fresco from France that's called the Plane Corrow Fresco that's found in the future.
00:43:14.000If you look at, see, in my holy mushroom book, I published 43 images or paintings that go from Russia to England, and it shows a pretty widespread use from the early first millennium all the way through the late 1800s.
00:43:34.000It's as if God hired someone to write the Bible.
00:43:36.000And as the dude is writing, he just throws some mushrooms.
00:44:16.000And he argues that Jesus himself was an anthropomorphism or a metaphor for the mushroom, for the entheogenic experience itself, not a physical person.
00:44:24.000And in fact, theologists and religious experts still today debate constantly whether or not Jesus and these characters were historical.
00:44:36.000There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they are in fact myths, just like Zeus or any of the Greek gods or any of the Hindu gods or any other gods.
00:44:48.000But when you live in your own religion and you have your own beliefs, you tend to take them on as real historical characters.
00:44:56.000But as I showed in my first book, Astrotheology and Shamanism, when you compare all of these different religions that hold beliefs like sun worship and moon worship and these things, as well as psychedelics, and they all start to tie together when you look at their similarities through fertility rituals, through psychedelic use, and through sun and star and moon worship.
00:45:18.000You know, like I said earlier, I published a fourth century text from Father Epiphanius where he's sitting there talking about how the birth of Jesus coincides exactly with the birth of the sun and everything.
00:45:31.000And then he says, but all of those other pagan religions, they're not the real one.
00:45:36.000And his text was actually censored for a thousand years by the church until another older copy of it was later found and published in the 1850s.
00:45:45.000So the church literally tried to suppress one of their own guys' texts talking about this stuff.
00:45:51.000Well, I would assume that if you look at all this religious artwork that has all these mushroom symbols in them, and we're talking about doorway openings, right?
00:46:18.000But anyway, my point was, do you think that how it went down was that all of this knowledge and information about psychedelics was kept from the common person?
00:46:31.000Was it like only with the powers of the church?
00:46:35.000Right, well, it was kept for the elite, those who basically had the knowledge of the trivium and quadrivium or had studied the seven liberal arts.
00:46:43.000They were considered better than the masses or the dead, as they're also known, or the profane, right?
00:46:49.000And so the elites and the educated would hold this information for themselves, the trivium, the quadrivium, the psychedelics, the history of philosophy.
00:46:58.000Actually, there's also that a lot of people don't know about is there was this ancient conversation.
00:47:05.000And it's called, well, it's called the Great Conversation, but it's found in a series of books called The Great Books of the Western World.
00:47:13.000And leading thinkers and leading experts every generation add on to this great conversation, and it's still going on today.
00:47:21.000It goes all the way from Socrates to today.
00:47:24.000And right now it's like 54 or 59 volumes or something like that.
00:47:29.000It's like a 10-year undertaking, but any real expert in the ancient knowledge or in philosophy or anything like that has studied this great conversation or has participated in it.
00:47:41.000And so there's all of these different levels of knowledge.
00:47:44.000The trivium and quadrivium is the foundation to the great books of the Western world.
00:47:48.000So you have to have a firm understanding of this information.
00:47:52.000And all of this is related to the religions as well.
00:47:55.000But just to give a very quick synopsis, the trivium, specifically in this order, is grammar, logic, and rhetoric.
00:48:02.000And that teaches you how to think and how to learn, not what to think.
00:48:07.000And then the quadrivium is math, geometry, music, and astronomy, specifically in that order.
00:48:37.000But what they do is, you know, up until the 1850s, everybody in their schooling was taught the trivium and quadrivium.
00:48:44.000So then if you wanted to go on to this higher level of education in the great books of the Western world, you could participate.
00:48:50.000but all of the old great thinkers were in on it, basically.
00:48:53.000So all the old great thinkers were in on mushrooms, but no one...
00:48:58.000They were in on the great conversation.
00:48:59.000But there are aspects, you know, in my research and in some of these documents here through some of the clubs, it's very clear that many members of the elite, like let's say the owner of Time Life magazine, the head of the CIA, rich financiers like Oppenheimer or Walter Lippmann or Frank Asholtz, these guys.
00:51:03.000The connection between this Amanita muscaria mushroom, the relationship that it has to Christmas trees, that it has a Michael Reiser relationship with the Christmas tree and it grows under them, and that all these things, no one knows about this.
00:51:16.000This is all, for some reason, has been kept out of public school systems, kept out of universities.
00:51:44.000You know, and anthropology especially, but Professor Tom Roberts at the University of Illinois has been teaching the oldest running psychedelics course since the 1980s.
00:51:56.000Is it basically about psychedelic research?
00:51:58.000Yeah, he's also a major archiver of psychedelic information and things like that.
00:52:01.000Does he go into depth about the history of its use, like John Markle, Allegro, type of stuff?
00:52:05.000Right, yeah, and people are allowed to, you know, study, you know, he allows people in his class to choose a book in the whole, you know, there's like four or five hundred books on psychedelic studies from all different directions out there, and he lets them go out and research these and write reports on them and things like that as part of the class.
00:52:24.000I wonder how if he gets talked to by anybody at any point in time, you know, and they have to make sure that he doesn't encourage the use of these and that it has to be.
00:52:55.000You know, I've interviewed more than 60 doctors and professors and leading experts in psychedelic studies on my show from Stan Groff, who's one of the leading experts or the leading expert on LSD, and a bunch of other people.
00:53:08.000And they're very straightforward about their own personal use.
00:53:12.000I think there's been one doctor that I've had on, Deborah Mash at the University of Miami, who says she's never tried the drugs that she researches.
00:54:36.000The Santo Daime Church, they won the right to practice up in Oregon about two years ago.
00:54:42.000And the Uno de Vegetal is another ayahuasca church that operates in the United States, and they've had approval for about five or ten years.
00:55:56.000Ryan says, in the Song of Solomon, it discusses Mandrake there as well.
00:56:06.000And there's been a number of people, myself, Jack Hare that we both knew, and Clark Heinrich have all argued that the entire story in Song of Solomon is actually basically a psychedelic story.
00:56:21.000If you look at it, if the characters are put in context of drugs and red mushrooms with white spots and things, suddenly the story makes a lot more sense.
00:56:29.000Here's an example, and it is on the same subject, although it doesn't feel that it would be, of, you know, how we were talking earlier about being able to feel if someone's weird, feel someone's crazy.
00:56:39.000The first time I was introduced to this subject was the first time I met Jan.
00:56:42.000I met Jan over at Jack Harris' place, and Jack Harris was showing me all these photos, which I hope are still around.
00:56:56.000They had like a transparent mushroom, and they were naked in ecstasy dancing on the mushroom, clearly showing these people under the effect of this psychedelic drug.
00:57:04.000And so it's me and it's Jan and it's Jack and it's Jack's friend.
00:57:08.000And man, Jack's friend, all my alarms are going off.
00:57:11.000I'm like, this guy is just fucking weird, man.
00:57:13.000I'm like, this guy is creeping me out.
00:57:15.000Yeah, you know, I don't like the way he talks.
00:57:17.000I don't like the way he interacts with me.
00:57:19.000I'm uncomfortable when he gets close to me.
00:57:21.000I'm like, how are these people around this guy?
00:57:22.000I'm like, this guy's just sitting off.
00:57:24.000And I'm just not picking up any of this.
00:57:25.000And, you know, it's funny is like, it must have been like six months later, I called Joe up.
00:57:29.000I'm driving down the freeway one day and I called Joe up and like, dude, you know that guy that was at Jack's house that day?
00:57:34.000I was all, he just got busted and he's all, and then Joe interrupts me and he said, he was a pedophile.
00:57:40.000And I went, oh my fucking God, how did you know?
00:58:47.000Yeah, it was so uncomfortable because this was the first time I was meeting Jack.
00:58:50.000And it was really like, you know, if you don't know who Jack Harrow is, Jack Harrer wrote the book, The Emperor Was, thank you, rest in peace, Jack.
00:58:58.000He wrote a book called The Emperor Wears No Clothes, and it's a brilliant book where it really breaks down everything that the whole history of Kemp and marijuana, medical marijuana.
00:59:09.000And actually, our friend Todd McCormick has re-released this, and it's right now.
00:59:40.000And now all of a sudden he realizes the benefits of marijuana and then he gets angry and realizes, holy shit, we're being fucked over and lied to.
01:00:54.000But that guy also, besides being a complete fucking nut and a psychopath and a child molester, he also was like really fascinated by the idea of Santa Claus being the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the whole history of that mushroom.
01:01:22.000And caribou is, that's what they love to eat.
01:01:24.000And they literally will eat your piss.
01:01:26.000If you step outside of a shaman lodge when you're fucking doing these mushrooms and you piss in the snow, they will knock you over to eat your piss.
01:01:32.000For those, you know, what I should mention, for those interested, they can go on my Gnostic Media website, and that's G-N-O-S-T-I-C-Media.com and click on the link up at the top for the Pharmacratic Inquisition DVD.
01:01:44.000They can watch my whole DVD right there on the website.
01:01:46.000You've got to take some Adderall before you do this.
01:02:10.000My friend, rest his soul, Robert Schimmel, he told me once that someone else, like in his family or something, was on the Adderall, and he accidentally took it, thought it was something else, and freaked out.
01:03:31.000That instead of juice, whereas you're taking juice, you're squeezing all the liquids out of it and you get a lot of minerals and nutrients and everything like that.
01:03:38.000But you don't get as much as when you chop it up and blend it.
01:04:08.000She argues that the whole saturated animal fat scare is a complete myth, and she's got a lot of documentation to back it up.
01:04:17.000A lot of people think that animal fat is actually very good for you.
01:04:19.000Well, she proves that there was a good scandal with the oil companies to cover up that animal fats are the oil companies because they were selling these new, newly invented vegetable oils, which weren't around except for olive oil and maybe hemp oil.
01:04:36.000You didn't have vegetable oils on the market before the 1920s.
01:04:39.000And she even shows that you can parallel the explosion of heart disease and cancer in the United States exactly with the use of vegetable oils.
01:04:54.000And she's got this really good video that you can get it off of Amazon called The Oiling of America.
01:04:59.000You know, It's a really slow-going video, and she's showing all the documentation on the screen, but it'll blow your mind.
01:05:04.000My friend Steve Maxwell is this master fitness guy, trainer guy.
01:05:08.000He's just an incredible dude, but he knows everything about health and nutrition and exercises.
01:05:14.000And he said that lack of animal fat is the reason why some people can get skin cancer.
01:05:20.000Well, your body can't, like, you, like, like a certain amount of cholesterol, certain amount of like fat.
01:05:26.000You need this combination of things in your body.
01:05:29.000Basically, what causes the heart attacks and the heart disease and all of that shit is vegetable oils and carbohydrates, especially processed carbos.
01:05:39.000You know, if you get rid of those things out of your diet, heart disease, obesity, all that shit starts to clear up.
01:05:44.000You know, certainly eat your vegetables and things, but she says that what a lot of people do is they'll go out and they'll eat a salad and then they'll pour salad dressing all over it, which is these processed vegetable oils instead of olive oil or butter is basically all you want to use on a salad.
01:05:59.000Any of these other newfangled oils don't eat that shit at all.
01:06:04.000So it just, what happens when you eat it?
01:06:06.000Your body just has a hard time processing it.
01:06:10.000And what they also do is, you know, they're allowed to actually put a half a gram or anything less than a gram of trans fat on any packages today is still labeled as zero trans fats, even though it's blood in it.
01:08:01.000You sound like a delusional bitch that goes to a massage parlour where they give out hand jobs, and you didn't know it was a massage parlour where they give out hand jobs, and you leave and you call the cops.
01:08:25.000Everybody else knew it's the fuck hotel.
01:08:26.000Well, you know now, just like when you go to your hand.
01:08:30.000I'm just saying if you were on Yelp and you typed in hotel, that thing has like three and a half stars and go, hey, that looks like a nice hotel.
01:08:36.000Three and a half stars from people who worked there.
01:08:52.000And now that you know, if you're looking for that, if you're ever looking for a hotel to do ecstasy in Viagra and just start fucking a bunch of random strangers, now you know the spot.
01:09:00.000You know the spot where people are getting their freak on.
01:09:02.000Just like if you go to a massage parlor and they rub your feet and then start sucking your dick, you know that's a different kind of massage parlor.
01:12:36.000Because when you have three hits, you gotta, as long as I know that I've gone over my material and I know that I've been performing a lot and I know that I'm in the groove, I can just go out there and ski.
01:12:45.000And by skiing means, you ever watch those videos where a dude gets dropped on top of a mountain on a helicopter?
01:12:51.000And then he's going down that mountain and it's some uncharted territory.
01:12:57.000And you know, this guy fucking hits a rock the wrong way.
01:14:35.000But I do love stand-up so much that I almost stayed an extra day to watch this show.
01:14:39.000Because I went out to dinner Saturday night with Jim Norton and Bill Burr and my friend Justin from the Action Report and Russell Peters were there too.
01:14:46.000And so we're all sitting around and Kenny, you know, club soda, Kenny.
01:14:49.000We're all sitting around shooting the shit.
01:14:51.000And they were telling me about Jim Brewer's new bit.
01:14:54.000And Jim Brewer apparently has some closer that is just insane.
01:14:57.000So I read about him, his dad taking a shit.
01:14:59.000And they were all talking about how this thing builds up.
01:16:23.000So they already know who you are, and you're an open micer, basically.
01:16:26.000You're just starting out, and yet they still know who you are, and they're all clapping and cheering to watch you practice out your new jokes.
01:16:32.000Yeah, it kind of sucks because there's a little bit more pressure because now people know who I am, and now I'm getting thrown up in front of sold-out shows.
01:16:38.000I actually have to act somewhat like I fit in.
01:19:03.000Well, the big thing is, is that it's definitely, I think, something you have to start when you're younger, and you have to make that your career.
01:19:09.000And I think all these people that you had try it, yeah, they had their own thing going.
01:19:12.000They were doing it as for fun on the side, kind of like what I do, but they don't want that as a job because that's really risky to do.
01:19:20.000When you first asked us to do it, we were all young, you know?
01:19:39.000So we were going to break into it and just walk around with some cameras and stuff on the way home, but the traffic was so bad so we decided not to.
01:19:47.000So there's this Wikipedia page all about it, and it's so amazing the history of that amusement park.
01:19:54.000Like in the 50s and 60s, this businessman bought it and he just put this water slide amusement park in the middle of the Mahadevi Desert, I think it is, or something like that.
01:20:01.000In the middle of the desert, and there's this huge water park, and it's 50s themed.
01:20:04.000So it was like very, like, 50s music and 60s music and stuff like that.
01:20:08.000And it just, you know, it was millions of dollars in the debt.
01:20:12.000Dude, I remember in like the late 70s and 80s, all the time on TV, you would see Lake Dolores commercials and stuff.
01:20:17.000But, you know, they would say it's on I-15, but they didn't tell you it's three fucking hours from here.
01:20:23.000And so like, so people re-bought it and renamed it things.
01:20:27.000Every 10 years, it would close and then be closed for like five years, and somebody else would rebuy and try it for a year and then go bankrupt.
01:20:33.000And now somebody else has just bought it again and is trying it again.
01:20:37.000And they have like this whole YouTube page and website all about them like restoring it and stuff like that.
01:20:46.000Like who is going to go through the middle of a desert to go to the bottom?
01:20:51.000People are, you know, see, well, I guess for them, like, they're planning on that business when you have the occasional car accident that shuts down the whole fucking thing.
01:21:06.000We've been out there on Memorial Day weekend out in Vegas, and it was like 12, 14 hours getting across that four-hour stretch of freeway, man.
01:23:41.000A lot of people have been telling me this lately that the medical marijuana in Vegas, you can use your California license and they accept the California license in Vegas.
01:23:48.000They do that in a couple different states.
01:25:51.000You know, it's like this kid did, you know, a couple years ago, there was this big scare back east.
01:25:56.000This kid had done Salvia several months before, wrote in his diary that he could see how half the shit in his life was complete bullshit.
01:26:03.000He was starting to see through the big fucking lie out there.
01:26:07.000And then they said, you know, months later, they try to say, oh, well, he committed suicide because of Salvia.
01:26:13.000Even though he was not on Salvia and he had done it months before, it's that he, you know, he certainly started seeing how a lot of what the media and government and things like that tell you is bullshit.
01:26:28.000It's like saying, you know, LSD, you know, somebody waking up from LSD like Timothy Leary, and then years later they commit suicide.
01:26:35.000Oh, it's because it was because of the LSD.
01:26:37.000Okay, but you can clearly make some sort of a connection between some of those kids that got experimented on in Harvard like Ted Kaczynski and his erratic behavior afterwards.
01:27:43.000He saved up all his money after these studies and worked as a professor of mathematics at Berkeley.
01:27:49.000And when he was working there, he was just studying and saving up his money and trying to figure out what the fuck he was going to do when he moved to the woods and how he was going to attack technology.
01:27:57.000Yeah, you know, I would love to know who was in charge of the study that he was in.
01:28:20.000Well, basically, what he was arguing was that they're using the technology to enslave everybody and to dumb us down and to control everything.
01:28:26.000And he was trying to stop it because he started being the math professor at Berkeley started seeing how the whole system worked and he wanted to shut it down.
01:28:41.000You know, he didn't use critical thinking properly in his analysis of his solution.
01:28:48.000But there's something to what he's saying.
01:28:49.000The idea that technology eventually is going to overtake us is absolutely, I mean, it's discussed in depth by thousands of scientists and futurists and the Ray Kurtz wheels and hates technology, says it's overtaking us.
01:29:05.000Well, I think anybody grandfather's an older guy.
01:29:08.000He grew up in a time where there was no phones and no nothing.
01:29:11.000We put out a documentary last November called What You've Been Missing, Episode 1, The Noble Lie, which goes into this whole use of technology to dumb us down.
01:29:20.000So anybody wants to check that out, look it up.
01:29:44.000Well, Skinner, the Skinner box, is a box that they would put pigeons and rats and things like that in and get them to do certain things for food or whatever on the stimuli.
01:30:25.000Well, that there are certain people using marketing and advertising and computer technology to specifically to mind control people and it's very, very simple to do.
01:30:38.000Yeah, it's mind control at face value.
01:30:40.000Once you see how it works, it's just real blatant.
01:30:43.000Do you accept the argument, though, that marketing is mind control and that getting people observed?
01:30:46.000Right, so see, the thing, how mind control works is, you know, I mentioned this trivium thing earlier.
01:30:51.000By people not having the trivium, that's what enables marketing and public relations, the political system, the law system that we have today, that's What enables it to work.
01:31:01.000That stuff wouldn't be able to function.
01:31:03.000That's why it doesn't work on any intelligent person.
01:31:06.000No intelligent person watches any nonsense propaganda on television and buys it immediately because you've accumulated a certain amount of information.
01:31:13.000But if, like, you know, say if you go out and you study logical fallacies for 20 minutes and then you go study commercials, you'll see how every commercial is filled with logical fallacies.
01:31:23.000So once you can identify those logical fallacies, you begin to see how they're using these lies against you everywhere, and then you just block them out.
01:32:53.000We're basically, this is a very complicated way of saying that our education system sucks and it could possibly be set up that way on purpose.
01:33:00.000Don't dumb your audience down too much, bro.
01:33:04.000Just kind of filling in the voids here, trying to bring this show back to life.
01:33:08.000The idea is that at one point in time, people were taught this stuff on a regular basis, and now our education system is no longer a people's education.
01:33:17.000It's been completely removed from people's education.
01:33:19.000Do you think that that really is on purpose?
01:33:21.000Oh, yeah, there's evidence that it was done on purpose.
01:33:24.000In fact, I just saw an article by this woman, Kelly, from Canada Free Press yesterday talking about the American freedom or the American Rebellion from England was originally centered around the trivium in classical education.
01:33:38.000So when people are in school today, you know, when they come up with some sort of a lesson plan for the year, is there someone who's actually saying, hey, we don't want these people smarter?
01:33:58.000Well, I would suggest people study two people primarily, John Taylor Gatto, and he's written a very good book, The Underground History of American Education for people that read.
01:34:11.000And also Charlotte Iserbeet's book, The Dumbing Down of America, which she also has a lot of primary documents in her book on the Rees Commission and how they did it.
01:34:35.000John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Izerby.
01:34:37.000Okay, well these are the last people's books we're going to tell people to read because otherwise we're going to look like goddamn university studies.
01:34:48.000Now, how long have you been into this, this studying of psychedelic chemicals and the relationship between these things and religions?
01:34:57.000And you've been in this for a long ass time, but how did you ever get into it to the point where this is how you make a living?
01:35:04.000Well, let's see, I've been in it at least 20, 22 years or so.
01:35:10.000But originally I got in it working with Jack Herrer on the California Hemp Initiative, and he was the one who originally turned me on to John Allegro's book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.
01:35:48.000Like, you start reading about things in superposition where a particle's moving and not moving and in one place and in another at the same time.
01:35:54.000And like, what the fuck is real and what's not?
01:36:04.000At a Grateful Dead concert or did you go to school with him?
01:36:07.000Actually, my sister turned me on to his book when I was probably 18, and then I met him at a hemp rally.
01:36:13.000And in December 2002, I went to his house and we instantly hit it off, and we were friends for 18 years, and I was one of the people that helped bury him in April last year.
01:36:22.000Let me ask you this, because you, you know, on your show for sure, you preach to the converted, you know, you have a really a big following of people who, like me, are kind of pretty well versed in this subject matter and understand a lot about, you know, psychedelic drugs and, you know, the relationship they've had to humanity for thousands and thousands of years.
01:38:07.000And we sat down and he was just being real friendly and started off with like fear factor questions.
01:38:13.000Well, for somebody like that, you start off with ancient primary sources and things like that because a doctor is going to want to cut straight to the facts, no bullshit.
01:38:34.000And we broached the subject of first marijuana, and then he was asking about that book, DMT, the Spirit Molecule, that was sitting on my table.
01:38:41.000Yeah, you just mentioned another book.
01:38:43.000So you have this guy where you're talking to him.
01:38:45.000So he's an intelligent guy that's like 50 years old that has no experience whatsoever in anything psychedelic.
01:38:52.000And when I started describing the experience and I started talking about it, then he started getting interested.
01:38:56.000And then he started talking to me about it, and then he started writing things down.
01:38:59.000And he started like taking little notes on it and things that he wanted to investigate.
01:39:03.000And he asked me, you know, like where I could get the book.
01:39:34.000You know, it's, I mean, how many fucking more books can come out about it before they start teaching it in mainstream?
01:39:41.000Well, you know, what's interesting is in December, Loma Linda University Medical Center, which is a Seventh-day Adventist medical school and it's considered one of the best in the world, they had me come in.
01:39:53.000No, it's not Mormons, but Seventh-day Adventists, they're Seventh-day Adventists.
01:39:57.000Well, it's a Christian group, but anyway, they worship on Saturday instead of Sunday.
01:40:03.000They worship on the Sabbath, basically.
01:40:05.000So this school had me come into their pharmacy department and give a two-hour lecture on the history of the medical and spiritual applications of psychedelic drugs.
01:40:33.000Unfortunately, the class was, those who were allowed to participate were the top of the class, so they couldn't, you know, there were no, anybody who thought that they thought was going to deviate from the norm of society were even allowed to attend the lecture.
01:41:05.000You know, in the Pharmacratic Inquisition, I was never in the documentary, but they can see me in the one that you and I were in, American Drug War.
01:41:15.000Did they wind up using your footage in that?
01:41:18.000Yeah, they use like 15 seconds or 30 seconds or something of it.
01:41:23.000And then Kevin Booth, he was going to use a lot more of that later on, but I guess never went back to it.
01:41:28.000What I was saying is what I was trying to address by asking you what it's like when you talk to regular people that don't have any experience in this.
01:41:35.000It's a very weird subject to broach, all of it.
01:41:39.000The use of psychedelic drugs is anything more than a party favor.
01:41:42.000Well, you know what's interesting is last April up in San Jose, there's a group called MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.
01:41:51.000It was the first one in like 35 or 40 years, but there was 800 or 900 doctors and professors there at this conference, and the whole thing was about the latest research in psychedelics.
01:42:03.000This is a they're they're well they they are planning there are different ones, but this was the first and the largest one instead of regional, is that what it is?
01:42:13.000Well, this one was it was the largest where they it was like spread out over three days almost 100 presenters, you know, literally people flying in from all over the world, medical professionals from all over the world, experts in psychedelics presenting on just everything.
01:42:29.000So, I mean, you know, the psychedelic craze and fear of the 60s is pretty much over and it's becoming a lot more in tune with the academic side and with real knowledge about psychedelics instead of just the fear that was put out by the mass media for the last 40 years.
01:42:48.000You really think things are actually changing?
01:42:50.000Oh yeah, well, just in the last six or eight months, I think maybe it was October last year, ecstasy MDMA was approved for treating PTSD in military professionals.
01:43:27.000And one thing that's approved for use in almost every other country in the world is Iboga from ibogaine in the treatment of alcoholism and heroin and opium addiction.
01:43:38.000And that's got like a 92% success rate.
01:43:40.000But unfortunately, the United States is one of the only countries in the world where drug addiction treatment is illegal with ibogaine.
01:43:51.000And ayahuasca has also been shown to be very effective in the treatment of alcoholism and opiate addiction.
01:44:09.000If there's any addicts out there that want more information, contact me through my website.
01:44:13.000You can find Ibogine research places in Mexico where they have Ibogene.
01:44:17.000Or Canada or pretty much anywhere in Europe.
01:44:19.000I didn't know they have them in Canada, but I know a buddy who has gone to Mexico several times to do it, and he said that it's changed his entire life, changed the way he looks at everything, made him see himself for who he really is and abandon all those false patterns of behavior that he had gotten stuck with and all the false connections that he had made in his mind that were constantly tripping him up.
01:44:36.000Yeah, ibogaine actually blocks the opiate's ability to trigger those receptors in your body.
01:44:42.000So you come down from this 12 or 24 hour trip and you are literally not addicted anymore.
01:47:00.000So what I was trying to get at is, do you ever have any interaction with regular people who just think you're fucking crazy for studying this stuff?
01:47:10.000You know, occasionally you'll have the person who's never looked at any of the research or evidence call up when I'll do a radio interview or something.
01:47:32.000Yeah, Johnny Rotten was on the podcast once.
01:47:34.000We talked about it, about psychedelic traveling.
01:47:36.000It changes the whole world because if you go through that and your world doesn't change, well then, man, you must have known something already.
01:47:44.000You must have already, I mean, you must be the smartest person in the world.
01:48:53.000There's some people that have issues, like just holding on to regular reality.
01:48:57.000So I'm not suggesting that everybody do it, but I'm suggesting that we should be able to go places and try it.
01:49:02.000If you're a fucking regular person and you got your shit together and you're curious about expanding your mind and your consciousness with these experiences, there should be a place where we could go where the government fucking make sure the stuff is pure, they get taxes from it, everybody profits, and the society profits because you're going to have better.
01:49:20.000I mean, it really needs to go back to just being free, you know?
01:49:23.000It should, okay, that would be nice, but why not have it where you can make money off of it and it actually is a contributing member to society, okay?
01:49:29.000Because it's going back to selling it, giving people gold coins and shit and making, hey, man, here's a basket.
01:51:21.000The Holy Mushroom book is available on Kindle, but because Astrotheology and Shamanism has like 185 color images in it, it was too hard to put it into a clean digital format like Kindle, so it's left in book-only form.
01:51:36.000Man, I feel like we should be able to do that in iPad form or make a couple copies of it.
01:52:04.000And if they can do that with comic books and have these high-resolution images for each one, I feel like they should be able to do that with your magazine or your book, rather, because they do it with magazines.
01:54:42.000I mean, now we know exactly where the whole theory came from, where they developed it.
01:54:46.000Basically, it originally started with In Search of, and then Jose Arguez and Terrence McKinna picked up on it, and they spread it until Daniel Pinchbeck made it famous, basically.
01:54:58.000So you're talking about the Mayan version of 2012, not even Terrence McKenna's Time Wave Zero.
01:55:04.000All of that was launched by McKinna and the In Search of program with Leonard Nien Moy and shit.
01:55:23.000It's a theory that, just for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, it's a theory that supposedly can track waves in time.
01:55:30.000And the idea is that time is actually something that you can track with a program.
01:55:35.000And that this program was based on the I Ching and that it tracked novelty or human innovation and inventions and great moments of change all throughout time.
01:55:46.000And that by applying this novelty program, this algorithm to the past, he could point out real big spikes in the curve.
01:56:06.000It's in my ANS book, but came out with a paper, Mathematical Hallucinations, and basically showed that what Terrence did was arbitrarily place the end date, and there was no way really to match up perfectly.
01:56:21.000You just had to arbitrarily say December 21st, 2012.
01:56:32.000Because in 1975, when the first edition of Invisible Landscape came out, you can look in the first edition, and there is no December 21st, 2012.
01:57:09.000That because of the arbitrary placement, and there was a few flaws in the math that this guy had pointed out in the mathematical hallucinations paper that McKenna stuck to his academic honesty and relinquished the theory.
01:57:22.000But the theory has continued on for hold on.
01:57:25.000I don't understand because you're saying that he lied.
01:57:27.000What you're basically saying is that he knew about the modernity.
01:57:31.000I talked to his brother about this, Dennis McKenna, and he's been on my show, and he and I have done a couple shows together as well on other places.
01:57:38.000But what he said was that basically the theory got so popular so quickly that Terrence basically just let it run.
01:59:26.000You know, I know Professor John Hupps, who's an expert in Maya studies, and he sent Pinchback a whole bunch of information when he was writing that book, showing that Pinchbeck's whole theory was completely bogus.
01:59:38.000You know, not only that, but Pinchbeck is using an Aztec god, Quitzaquatl, to talk about a Maya calendar.
01:59:43.000What is an Aztec god dealing with a Maya calendar?
01:59:48.000And why would he come down and come to Daniel Pinchbeck, this New Yorker white guy, to reveal 2012 to the world, right?
01:59:56.000Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
02:01:52.000And have him address publicly all of John Hupps' points that Hupps has been publishing the entire origins of 2012.
02:01:59.000He's published it two times on my show, but he's also coming out with a book on the whole thing.
02:02:04.000I watched a fascinating show on them trying to figure out how to decode Mayan language because what Mayan language, like each little symbol, like will like you will say things, like you will see things.
02:02:17.000McKenna described it like if you had an eyeball and a saw and an ant insect and then a rose, I saw ant rose.
02:02:26.000That's how you would say I saw ant rose.
02:02:30.000It's incredibly difficult to decipher.
02:02:33.000But a fascinating documentary about all these scientists and archaeologists trying to break it down and figure out what the fuck everything means and how long it took and all these breakthroughs that they came out.
02:02:48.000And I was going to ask you this because I saw this in a podcast, not a podcast, a documentary once, but I already agree that it's probably correct, but I haven't been able to break it down with anybody who really knows a lot about the ancient Bible and the ancient Hebrew Bible.
02:03:02.000The ancient Hebrew Bible was all, that was not the earliest version of the Bible.
02:03:07.000The earlier versions of the Bible was the Dead Sea Scrolls, right?
02:03:13.000Well, the Dead Sea Scrolls were probably written from the 2nd century BCE to about 67 AD.
02:03:23.000And then the original Torah would have been written, like Genesis was probably written about 586 BCE.
02:03:32.000So the Torah would, you know, certain aspects of the Torah, which we don't have an original copy that's that old, but would technically be older than certain sections of the Dead Sea Scrolls.
02:03:42.000But there is a lot of, you know, identical copies of original Hebrew texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls.
02:03:49.000And the Dead Sea Scrolls were written in Aramaic, right?
02:03:51.000I believe they were written in Aramaic, yes.
02:04:16.000And so that was one of the things that I read that they were trying to match up different pieces of the Dead Sea Scrolls by using DNA so that the parchment came from the same cow.
02:04:25.000So they were matching the DNA of the fucking, the shit they were writing on to try to figure out what pile.
02:04:41.000Have you ever seen this shit that's going on now in Turkey where they're unveiling that temple that was on the front page of Life magazine recently?
02:06:24.000But, you know, the Hindus still use bang or banj, which is marijuana, and soma was argued by Gordon Wasson to be Amanita muscaria, the red and white spotted mushroom that you see in all the fairy tales and with gnomes and dwarves and Mario Brothers and shit like that.
02:06:40.000And there's so much ancient Hindu art that shows people holding up mushrooms.
02:06:44.000Holding up mushrooms or mushrooms coming out of their heads and all this stuff.
02:06:48.000Just like we've got for ancient Christian artwork.
02:06:52.000There's a lot of that stuff out there.
02:06:54.000It's amazing that you have to hear about this from the podcast of a comedian.
02:06:59.000You know, you're not hearing about this on CNN.
02:07:21.000You know, it blows me away, too, how many academics and researchers are out there all over the world and universities working on this stuff.
02:07:28.000And there's academics all over the place that know about it, but the mainstream public is completely unaware of it.
02:07:36.000Well, for the longest time for any academic, using even the term psychedelics as a subject of serious research, you go, oh, I'm looking into psychedelics.
02:07:45.000What the fuck are you wasting your career on, man?
02:07:48.000Thanks to Timothy Leary and the bad connotation that he left psychedelics.
02:08:10.000Well, Henry Luce, who is the president of Time Life, his wife, Claire Booth Luce, is even quoted as saying that she and her husband had more to do with popularizing LSD than Tim Leary ever did.
02:09:31.000I think he might have been more brilliant than that.
02:09:41.000Not an Manchurian candidate was like he was, what did they, you have to come up to him and say something to him and he fucking snaps or some silliness like that.
02:09:47.000But I think in the case of Kadinsky that they might have fried this guy's circuit at the point that this is the conversation.
02:09:53.000But you know, but I don't think it's a good idea.
02:09:54.000But see, he did all the Unibommer shit 20 or 25 years after these LSD experiments.
02:11:30.000I hear people, oh, the Illuminati conspiracy, but that shit's totally proved.
02:11:34.000What I'm saying is, it does ever get to a point in time where you're just like, you're so absorbed in all this shit that you can't enjoy regular life.
02:12:55.000How can people do something about this situation that we're in that's been here since you and I were children and it is here now that we have the children?
02:13:04.000The best thing that people can do, in my opinion, that is the real solution is pick up the trivium, pick up critical thinking, grammar, logic, and rhetoric.
02:13:46.000It teaches you how to think and how to see through all the bullshit.
02:13:50.000Well, that's nice for the people that are going to pay attention.
02:13:52.000But what kind of a strategy, if any, is possible for letting people know about psychedelics, letting people know about the benefits and positives of these things that have really been held back from people.
02:14:04.000One of the things that McKenna said that always stuck with me is that living a life and going birth to the grave without psychedelics to me is like living a life and going birth to the grave without ever having sex.
02:14:15.000I would agree with that, but the problem with just doing psychedelics without critical thinking is that when somebody breaks free of their religious paradigm or the new age paradigms that are just as much mind control out there as anything else, the problem is, is if they do psychedelics alone, they're easily manipulated.
02:14:33.000And so I disagree with McKenna and Larry's theory that everybody should just take it.
02:14:38.000I think that people should be given the proper tools of critical thinking and then take the psychedelics and then they really break free.
02:14:44.000So basically we have to start our own cult slash educational center.
02:15:06.000There's no, listen, exposing people to this information is probably step one.
02:15:10.000There's a bunch of people that are growing up now that are in high school and college that are reading these types of books and listening to these types of conversations that we're having on this podcast and researching this type of information.
02:15:21.000And just having this stuff being a part of public discourse, it allows people to know it's out there and it allows people to start thinking about things in a little bit of a different way.
02:15:31.000We're all programmed in one way or another, whether we like it or not.
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02:16:12.000This Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, we will be at the Irvine Improv.
02:16:17.000Tomorrow, we're going to have an early podcast, a noon one, with not only the Duncan Trussell, so upcoming in the future, I'm still trying to work out this Anthony Bourdain thing.