The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #119 - Jan Irvin

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00:00:45.000 Brothers and sisters, we're going to go on a journey today.

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00:00:52.000 I met Anthony Bourdain.

00:00:53.000 What am I here?

00:00:54.000 I got fucking starstruck.

00:00:56.000 You know Anthony Bourdain?

00:00:57.000 My friend Jan Irvin is here.

00:00:58.000 Really?

00:00:59.000 I don't know Anthony Bourdain.

00:01:01.000 Do you watch TV at all?

00:01:02.000 Are you just fucking reading books all day?

00:01:04.000 You know what, Joe?

00:01:05.000 I haven't had a TV turned on around me in probably a couple years.

00:01:09.000 Wow, you're completely out of the cultural loop reading fucking textbooks on mushrooms from the 50s.

00:01:17.000 What happened?

00:01:18.000 Nothing.

00:01:19.000 Anthony, what'd you do?

00:01:20.000 Did you change the volume on the screen?

00:01:21.000 Yeah, just turn it down on the bottom.

00:01:22.000 Why don't you stop doing that, bitch? 1.00

00:01:24.000 Fucking weirdo.

00:01:25.000 Leave that shit alone.

00:01:27.000 Anthony Bardaine's a chef, and he's got this television show.

00:01:30.000 He was a chef.

00:01:30.000 Now he's pretty much like sort of this traveling guy who samples food in different restaurants all throughout the world, but more is like a commentator on the cultures of these places, you know, and uses food as sort of like a way to get you to know the culture.

00:01:45.000 You know, uses like eating with indigenous people and these like tribes and weird fucking crazy places. 1.00

00:01:50.000 I mean, it's a badass fucking show.

00:01:53.000 Interesting.

00:01:53.000 And it's my favorite show.

00:01:54.000 And so I met him and, you know, just knowing some, just, it's the weirdest fucking thing when you admire someone and you like their work and they know who you are too, you know, and all of a sudden you're talking about stuff.

00:02:06.000 And he came to my comedy show.

00:02:08.000 I'm like, it seems like it shouldn't freak me out at this point in my life.

00:02:12.000 But I'm still like, holy shit, Anthony Bourdain's in the fucking audience.

00:02:16.000 Like it was, it was weird, you know?

00:02:18.000 It was interesting.

00:02:19.000 He's a bad motherfucker.

00:02:20.000 I admire him very much.

00:02:22.000 He's one of the most interesting guys on television.

00:02:26.000 So he's going to do the podcast.

00:02:27.000 He said he gets asked two things on Twitter.

00:02:30.000 One, go fuck himself.

00:02:32.000 And two, if he would do the Joe Rogan podcast.

00:02:36.000 That's his words.

00:02:37.000 He's awesome.

00:02:38.000 Yeah.

00:02:38.000 He's cool as fuck, dude.

00:02:40.000 And his wife is a fiend for mixed martial arts. 1.00

00:02:43.000 His wife takes jiu-jitsu and Muay Thai, and they have a padded up room in their house.

00:02:48.000 And, you know, she's got fucking trainers teaching her how to strangle people and shit. 1.00

00:02:52.000 Yeah.

00:02:52.000 Wow.

00:02:53.000 She's a freak, dude. 1.00

00:02:54.000 She's like so like aggressively into it.

00:02:58.000 It was crazy watching like her like fucking scream and yell and get all excited at the weigh-ins and shit, you know?

00:03:04.000 And he's sort of, it seems like he's sort of, okay, well, this is what she loves.

00:03:08.000 I'll go along for the ride.

00:03:10.000 But it just, you know, I don't know if he would be into it other than that.

00:03:14.000 You know, I don't know.

00:03:15.000 Maybe I'm wrong.

00:03:16.000 It didn't seem like he was as into it as she is, though.

00:03:19.000 She seemed really into it.

00:03:21.000 His wife is like a fucking super fan. 1.00

00:03:23.000 It's like owning a gun.

00:03:25.000 She's his gun, probably.

00:03:26.000 Yeah, she'll fuck you up, dude. 0.56

00:03:28.000 She's into it, man. 0.90

00:03:29.000 Yeah, he like tweeted once, you know, I think her name is Octavia.

00:03:33.000 Octavia Bourdain choked out her trainer, put him to sleep. 1.00

00:03:37.000 Wow.

00:03:37.000 He's tweeting about us.

00:03:39.000 That's interesting.

00:03:40.000 I don't know if I could date a girl that was more stronger and tougher and crazier than me.

00:03:44.000 I need to take control of situations.

00:03:47.000 I need to make sure I can do that.

00:03:48.000 Not like, no, I don't want to watch whatever gay movie you want to watch. 1.00

00:03:52.000 I mean, sorry, silly movie that you want to watch.

00:03:55.000 And then she'll just choke me out and wake up and, you know. 1.00

00:03:57.000 Well, it would be more of a struggle than that, I would hope.

00:04:00.000 Learn some defense after a while, son.

00:04:02.000 Have a taser.

00:04:04.000 Protect your neck.

00:04:05.000 Yeah, I think that's a weird dynamic, man.

00:04:08.000 When a girl can kick your ass, I don't think I'd be into that. 1.00

00:04:10.000 But you know what?

00:04:11.000 Some people are, everybody's different, man.

00:04:12.000 And he's obviously not into physical fitness.

00:04:15.000 And he's a wild dude willing to take some chances.

00:04:17.000 He'll ride that crazy snake.

00:04:19.000 You know what I'm saying?

00:04:22.000 He'll jump on that ayahuasca snake and go for a ride.

00:04:25.000 I bet he's the best pussy eater. 1.00

00:04:27.000 He's just a champion because he's so into food.

00:04:27.000 Yeah.

00:04:27.000 You think so?

00:04:29.000 I mean, that's his job.

00:04:30.000 I'm the best eater in the world.

00:04:33.000 Well, he's more of a cook than he eats.

00:04:35.000 Like, the best eater would be that man versus food guy who just eats piles of shitty food every week.

00:04:39.000 Or used to.

00:04:40.000 Doesn't he not eat anymore?

00:04:41.000 Yeah, that's what Bert Kreischer was telling us.

00:04:43.000 Or are we not supposed to say he was telling us that?

00:04:45.000 They've already started showing it.

00:04:46.000 But he doesn't do the stunts anymore because his fucking body was falling apart because this poor guy's eating 20-pound cheeseburgers every night while they're filming.

00:04:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:04:55.000 He eats these ridiculous food challenges where he would have to eat some insane amounts of food, right?

00:05:01.000 Yeah.

00:05:02.000 I would never really watch that.

00:05:03.000 I saw clips.

00:05:04.000 I wonder if it's that or if he's just dating a girl.

00:05:06.000 She's like, oh my God, you're getting so fat. 1.00

00:05:07.000 And he's like, you know what I mean?

00:05:09.000 You can't control the fat.

00:05:11.000 How could you possibly eat that much food?

00:05:14.000 Yeah.

00:05:14.000 Yeah, it's terrible for you.

00:05:15.000 But, you know, getting fat is really unhealthy.

00:05:18.000 Yeah.

00:05:18.000 You know, I mean, you've been fat and you've been skinny.

00:05:21.000 You know, don't you feel way better when you're skinny?

00:05:24.000 Yeah.

00:05:26.000 But I also like eating.

00:05:27.000 You know, I was thinking about that the other day.

00:05:30.000 I was like, you know, when I was on a hardcore diet, I made sure I only ate certain kinds of food.

00:05:37.000 You know, like I would only eat like chickens and salads and stuff like that.

00:05:43.000 But then I was like, you know what?

00:05:44.000 If I wanted lasagna, I couldn't have lasagna, you know?

00:05:47.000 So then to me, it's like, wait a second, you know what?

00:05:49.000 I mean, I would rather be somewhere kind of in the middle where I still eat healthy most of the time, but I need to eat fucking bad once in a while.

00:05:56.000 And I was in Vegas.

00:05:57.000 That is the best fucking food.

00:05:59.000 Vegas has the best food.

00:06:00.000 Well, you only have an issue in that you don't exercise.

00:06:03.000 Yeah.

00:06:03.000 If you exercise, you can.

00:06:04.000 I'm still waiting for 24-hour fitness to open up in Burbank.

00:06:06.000 It's just sitting there.

00:06:07.000 Yeah, other than that, it's impossible to work out.

00:06:10.000 You're so unmotivated.

00:06:11.000 All you need is one thing to be wrong.

00:06:13.000 My radio doesn't work in my car.

00:06:15.000 I'm not going to drive all the way to the gym with no radio.

00:06:18.000 Fuck it.

00:06:18.000 When they fix my radio, then I'll start going to the gym again.

00:06:20.000 I agree.

00:06:24.000 If I do it, I want to do it right.

00:06:25.000 I want to have a nice gym.

00:06:27.000 It's so much easier to have a gym at your disposal.

00:06:29.000 Anthony Bourdain's wife can learn jiu-jitsu, you girl. 0.99

00:06:32.000 I don't want to do jiu-jitsu, girl.

00:06:33.000 Why don't you learn something?

00:06:34.000 I don't need you to do it.

00:06:34.000 Well, the good thing about it is it tires you out.

00:06:38.000 I've known you for, what, eight years at least, you know, and you've worked with him for eight years.

00:06:44.000 And, you know, Joe and Eddie were trying to get me to train in jiu-jitsu eight years ago, but I don't hang out with them every day.

00:06:51.000 So what the fuck, dude?

00:06:53.000 Well, you would have done it.

00:06:54.000 I would have totally done it if I didn't have an hour and a half, two-hour drive every time.

00:06:58.000 But I mean, like, what the fuck is your excuse?

00:07:01.000 Well, my knee is my biggest excuse.

00:07:02.000 We've talked about this already a thousand times.

00:07:04.000 I have a bad knee.

00:07:04.000 I have a tricky knee.

00:07:05.000 And jiu-jitsu is all about fucking twisting bones and bodies, you know, and that does not seem like it's a good idea.

00:07:11.000 Like, hey, do I want to have knee problems for the rest of my life?

00:07:14.000 Do I want to deal with all the fucking bullshit that's going to come along with doing jiu-jitsu, like fucking getting ringworm and all that crap?

00:07:20.000 Or do I want to get a membership at 24-hour fitness?

00:07:24.000 Sounds like someone clearly is a glass half-empty sort of fella.

00:07:28.000 You know, there's positive benefits from these things, man.

00:07:28.000 Yeah.

00:07:31.000 It's not like there's only all these negatives you're saying.

00:07:34.000 No, no, I'm sure.

00:07:35.000 All these negatives as if, you know, there's nothing for you to be learned there.

00:07:39.000 Also, I didn't have a brother growing up, and so like rolling around with a guy still does not.

00:07:44.000 You worry about getting both.

00:07:46.000 No, it's just like, I don't, if it was a guy versus girl jiu-jitsu, I'm 100% in.

00:07:51.000 I'll fuck my knee.

00:07:52.000 Who cares?

00:07:53.000 You know, I just don't feel like rolling around on the floor with a guy.

00:07:56.000 I don't know why.

00:07:59.000 Same reason if somebody goes, hey, would you rather hang out with three guys and watch sports or would you rather hang out with three girls and watch porn?

00:08:06.000 Yeah, I would have to say that it's sort of a learned thing.

00:08:10.000 It's like an acquired taste.

00:08:14.000 I've been doing it for so long.

00:08:15.000 It's just totally normal to me.

00:08:17.000 But there's times that I've thought about it.

00:08:18.000 There's times when I'm rolling with a guy and I know his sweat is in my mouth.

00:08:22.000 Yeah.

00:08:22.000 There's no getting around it.

00:08:24.000 There's no getting around it.

00:08:25.000 Like if a guy, like say if you are like, you're doing no gi and a guy's on top of you and you got him in half guard or something like that and he's sweating, his chest could easily be on your face.

00:08:36.000 Yeah.

00:08:37.000 And you're both drenched with sweat.

00:08:38.000 See, if I had to do it, I would definitely do gi with two comforters wrapped around me or something.

00:08:43.000 Yeah, you're exchanging fluids.

00:08:44.000 You know, you're exchanging your sweat, your moisture.

00:08:48.000 I mean, they're not really exchanging, but you're getting it on each other.

00:08:51.000 It's not going internally, but it does go into the skin.

00:08:51.000 Definitely.

00:08:53.000 The skin actually is the largest organ of the body.

00:08:56.000 And shit does go right through the skin.

00:08:58.000 It does.

00:08:59.000 It does.

00:09:00.000 That's why men have to constantly worry about mat herpes. 0.99

00:09:02.000 Matherpes are real. 0.99

00:09:04.000 You have to worry about that.

00:09:05.000 You have to worry about skin, like, ringworm-type shit.

00:09:08.000 You have to worry about staph infections.

00:09:10.000 A lot of people.

00:09:10.000 And men are dirty motherfuckers, man.

00:09:12.000 Most people are.

00:09:13.000 People like Ari that only change their sheets like once every month and a half. 1.00

00:09:16.000 You know, fucking jiu-jitsuit.

00:09:18.000 He wonders why he got staffed.

00:09:19.000 That fucking guy would just go to jujitsu and then not shower.

00:09:22.000 I was like, are you crazy?

00:09:24.000 You would just roll around with dudes and then not shower?

00:09:26.000 Why don't I just have people just shit on you?

00:09:28.000 You know, just have people just piss all over your body. 1.00

00:09:28.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:09:31.000 You know, like, what are you doing, man?

00:09:32.000 You got to clean yourself off, man.

00:09:34.000 So you got staffed?

00:09:34.000 So what happened?

00:09:35.000 Yeah, he didn't even know he had staff.

00:09:37.000 We were playing pool and he's limping around.

00:09:39.000 And I go, what's going on, man?

00:09:40.000 He goes, I got bit by a spider.

00:09:42.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:09:43.000 I did hear about this.

00:09:44.000 Yeah.

00:09:44.000 He pulls his pants up to show me the spider bite.

00:09:47.000 I'm like, dude, that looks like a staph infection.

00:09:49.000 You should go to the hospital right now to get it checked.

00:09:51.000 Like, you can't just walk around like that.

00:09:54.000 But he didn't know.

00:09:55.000 He had no idea that you could actually get something like that from exercise, from jiu-jitsu.

00:10:00.000 You know, you don't really hear about people getting staph infections unless it's from surgery.

00:10:04.000 Well, most sports you don't get staffed.

00:10:06.000 Like you're playing tennis, you don't get staff.

00:10:07.000 You don't get it.

00:10:09.000 Football players can get it.

00:10:10.000 They get it sometimes.

00:10:11.000 It's tricky.

00:10:12.000 It's very, very dangerous.

00:10:14.000 Very dangerous.

00:10:14.000 And of course there's that, you know, MRSA, the antibiotic-resistant staph infection that they have now that's really dangerous because it's a very, very strong form of it, and it's very hard to kill.

00:10:27.000 Wow.

00:10:28.000 It's from mostly from people not taking their antibiotics correctly.

00:10:31.000 You know, and what I've found, one of the best things to get rid of like athlete's foot and shit, which I'm sure you get in an environment like that a lot, is apple cider vinegar.

00:10:41.000 You rub that stuff on it a couple of times and it's gone.

00:10:43.000 They say you're supposed to pee on your feet too.

00:10:45.000 Yeah, that works too.

00:10:47.000 I pee on my feet every single time.

00:10:48.000 Yeah, why not?

00:10:48.000 It's so much faster though.

00:10:49.000 Why not?

00:10:50.000 It's not bad for you.

00:10:51.000 It's not bad for you.

00:10:52.000 And it's warm.

00:10:53.000 It comes from my own body.

00:10:54.000 It's like, what?

00:10:54.000 It doesn't even leave my body.

00:10:56.000 It's one continuous stream.

00:10:57.000 It's not like it leaves my body at all.

00:10:58.000 It must have been about, what, 2004, 2005.

00:11:02.000 I was living up in the mountains.

00:11:03.000 My phone starts ringing.

00:11:04.000 It was like probably 1.30, 2 o'clock in the fucking morning, right?

00:11:09.000 And I don't get, or I get up and I answer the phone, and it's fucking this dude. 0.92

00:11:13.000 It's Joe.

00:11:14.000 He's like, dude, I'm sick as fuck, man.

00:11:14.000 And he's on the phone.

00:11:16.000 I got to be at the studio at like 6 a.m.

00:11:19.000 I feel like shit.

00:11:20.000 What do I do?

00:11:21.000 And I tell him, drink a couple of glasses of your piss and it'll make you feel better, right?

00:11:29.000 Were you giggling with a finger in your butt when you told him that?

00:11:34.000 So anyway, you know, I'm fucking, I go back to bed, right?

00:11:37.000 And then it must have been like 3, 3, 30 in the morning.

00:11:41.000 And my phone rings again.

00:11:42.000 It's fucking Joe.

00:11:43.000 This time I don't get up to answer it.

00:11:44.000 I'm just fucking lying in bed and I hear the answering machine pick up and it's Joe.

00:11:49.000 He's a, dude, I gotta tell you, man, I just drank two glasses of my piss, dude.

00:11:53.000 I feel fucking great.

00:11:55.000 I gotta tell you, man, I'm a piss drinker, too.

00:12:02.000 For people who don't know, this is very controversial.

00:12:06.000 Obviously.

00:12:08.000 But there's a thing called urine therapy, and the idea behind it is that your body processes waste, and that waste comes out in the form of shit, but that also when water waste comes out, the water that comes out of your body is actually sterile and that there are some sort of nutrients in it and antibodies when you're trying to get over colds and things of that nature.

00:12:32.000 And so a lot of doctors say it's utter, complete, total horseshit.

00:12:36.000 But people in indigenous cultures, for instance, have been doing that to try to cure diseases and illnesses for a long, long time.

00:12:44.000 Obviously, modern medicine is way better than drinking your own piss.

00:12:48.000 Well, you know, what's interesting is in India, every year, every couple of years, they have a meeting of doctors who meet up to discuss the latest research in urine therapy.

00:12:58.000 I knew somebody who went to the doctor in South America for a skin problem and was told to drink their urine.

00:13:08.000 Whoa.

00:13:08.000 So it is, it's not, you know, it's very rare, I think, especially in the United States, but I think in India and China and certain places in South America, it has been adopted.

00:13:19.000 It's been adopted by modern medicine?

00:13:21.000 Adopted by freaks.

00:13:22.000 Yeah.

00:13:22.000 There's freaks that live everywhere.

00:13:24.000 But listen, I'll try anything, man.

00:13:25.000 I'll try anything.

00:13:26.000 I've been to zone healers before.

00:13:27.000 I'm like, look, I don't, every instinct in my body tells me this is nonsense.

00:13:31.000 But go ahead.

00:13:32.000 Let me see what's up.

00:13:33.000 You know, let me see what's up.

00:13:34.000 I'll listen to you.

00:13:35.000 I'll listen to you.

00:13:37.000 And maybe even just for material.

00:13:38.000 You know, maybe even I don't believe it.

00:13:40.000 And I just, just in the interest of this might be something that would be funny to talk about on stage.

00:13:44.000 I'll let you try your voodoo on me. 1.00

00:13:46.000 But, you know.

00:13:47.000 It's like nature makes things look shocking and scary because they're poisonous.

00:13:53.000 If you were supposed to drink your pee, it would taste like fucking strawberry.

00:13:56.000 Doesn't taste bad.

00:13:57.000 It doesn't taste bad at all.

00:13:59.000 Well, it actually tastes about what you ate that day.

00:14:02.000 I mean, if you drank a bunch of coffee and soda pop and ate a bunch of crap food, it's probably going to taste pretty fucking bad.

00:14:09.000 But if you eat healthy and take care of yourself, you know, I've done it a few times when I was sick.

00:14:14.000 And something else that we'll talk about later, when I was on mushrooms, and you can recycle your urine.

00:14:22.000 It's supposed to put you through Pluto.

00:14:24.000 Right, and it doesn't taste bad at all.

00:14:26.000 But it's interesting is like people that do it for health reasons, they say that it enables them to monitor their body on a regular basis of what their intake is because they immediately taste it and it's like, oh, shit.

00:14:40.000 I don't want to eat that anymore.

00:14:41.000 I don't want to do that anymore.

00:14:43.000 It's like it's an automatic alarm system, right?

00:14:47.000 Yeah, it doesn't taste bad, bro.

00:14:48.000 It's not that bad.

00:14:49.000 I did it on the radio, rather.

00:14:53.000 There was a radio station, No Name show in San Francisco.

00:14:57.000 Was it No Name or is it Dinner?

00:14:58.000 It was No Name.

00:14:58.000 No Name.

00:14:59.000 Yeah, me and No Name drank our own pee.

00:15:01.000 Remember?

00:15:01.000 Oh, yeah.

00:15:02.000 He drank it and he was gagging, and I just threw it down like it was nothing.

00:15:06.000 Poor guy was like, I had drank my own piss like 10 times.

00:15:10.000 Right.

00:15:10.000 You know, I mean, I'll do it on a regular basis, but there was a big thing about Leoto Machita in the UFC, that Leoto Machita does it, and that his father, who is this karate master, has trained him since he was a young boy, and he recycles his urine every morning.

00:15:24.000 Every morning he gets up and drinks his pee.

00:15:26.000 Who the fuck knows, man?

00:15:28.000 It might be bullshit, but if people have been doing it for that long, there might be some merit in it.

00:15:33.000 Yeah, I've had people come up to me when I've given lectures and say that they've taken it for various gout or leg problems and pain problems, and after four to six, eight weeks, their problems cleared up.

00:15:46.000 Do they just piss all over their gout?

00:15:48.000 Isn't it?

00:15:50.000 They would drink like a small amount, like a half a cup every morning fresh, you know?

00:15:56.000 Really?

00:15:58.000 I would try it once, but I would definitely make sure I ate a bunch of berries.

00:16:03.000 Like I would just make it good.

00:16:04.000 I would cook it good.

00:16:05.000 I'd be a good chef, you know?

00:16:06.000 Yeah, I don't recommend coffee before you do it.

00:16:09.000 That's the first thing you could do.

00:16:10.000 Really?

00:16:11.000 Yeah.

00:16:11.000 I had asparagus and coffee for breakfast this morning.

00:16:14.000 It's just, you know.

00:16:16.000 There was a guy who used to post on the message board until he got too creepy and someone banned him.

00:16:22.000 I forget what his deal was, but he would get these girls that didn't have any money and he would take care of them for a little while and eventually do a bunch of dirty shit to them. 1.00

00:16:32.000 And write stories about this.

00:16:34.000 And one of the things he would do is make his loads taste as disgusting as possible.

00:16:37.000 So he would talk about the asparagus coffee loads that he would show up.

00:16:43.000 What was his name on his loads for?

00:16:45.000 I don't remember, honestly.

00:16:46.000 But I remember he made a lot of people angry because they were like, well, if this guy's telling the truth, he's a real piece of shit as a human being.

00:16:52.000 And if he's just trolling, like, stop.

00:16:54.000 Stop making up some fucking story. 0.83

00:16:56.000 I would probably say it's trolling, but you never know.

00:16:58.000 Who knows, man?

00:16:59.000 I mean, most likely, yeah, most likely trolling.

00:17:02.000 But either way, it was really good writing.

00:17:04.000 It was compelling.

00:17:05.000 I didn't like him in his writing.

00:17:07.000 I didn't like who he was, but it was very compelling.

00:17:10.000 I was like, this is interesting.

00:17:11.000 It's like, this is, it's obviously very good and very well written because the idea behind it is kind of gross to me that you would like go out of your way to take some poor woman who doesn't know what to do with her life and she's really broke and you force her into you know doing weird shit for you because you know that's how you get off and then you write about it you know like that's like you're victimizing people and why are you doing that but not knowing whether or not it was true or not true you know and choosing to look at it from the point of view like maybe it's just fiction maybe this guy's just into the mind of a creep you know who knows who knows but

00:17:42.000 It's really well written.

00:17:42.000 But he was all into just gross loads.

00:17:46.000 It was apparently a recipe.

00:17:48.000 Joe Diaz will tell you how to make it come out like shotguns.

00:17:52.000 Like gunpowder.

00:17:53.000 I stayed at this horrible hotel last night we were in Vegas.

00:17:58.000 And I didn't know it was a hotel that's next to a strip club that we did a show at.

00:18:02.000 And I think the guy that owns the strip club owns the hotel.

00:18:06.000 And it's one of those boutique hotels where you walk in.

00:18:09.000 There's nice paintings everywhere.

00:18:10.000 Like every room was a different theme.

00:18:12.000 of painting and uh it was really cool but after six o'clock it turns into a nightclub that op that's open until like 8 a.m and it's just the gay the gay people the ravers 6 a.m 8 a.m it goes about no but what time does it start 6 p.m 6 p.m so we we got back to the hotel and there was like you know lines of people getting in the hotel and the red rope and they're like you have to wait in line i'm like no we're staying here and they're like oh go through we go and the whole lobby is a rave i'm like what the fuck is this 0.84

00:18:42.000 So we go upstairs and then I'm looking out the window and it was one of those views where it's like you're just looking at air conditioning units like it's the roof.

00:18:50.000 But there's just people that were sneaking in through like this air conditioning unit and going up there and doing like crazy drugs and having sex right outside your window.

00:18:58.000 And then I'm thinking, wow.

00:19:00.000 Sneaking in through the air conditioning unit.

00:19:02.000 What do you mean?

00:19:03.000 Like a door or something?

00:19:04.000 Yeah, there was a door going through the floor and they were climbing out and like all these people were hanging out on the roof outside of our window.

00:19:11.000 It was fucked up.

00:19:13.000 And then I'm looking and I'm like these beds are probably just made for having sex with hookers and like strippers that are coming from the strip club, you know.

00:19:21.000 And so there's that red pillow that was on the bed.

00:19:24.000 It was like one of those fashion pillows that you throw on the ground you don't really sleep on.

00:19:27.000 Right.

00:19:27.000 But there's this cum all over it, dude.

00:19:30.000 And then the channels, the TV, because we were on shrooms.

00:19:30.000 Oh, God.

00:19:36.000 So we were like just trying to watch TV and you can't hear anything except, you know, like whole time.

00:19:41.000 We're turning on the TV and it was just scrambled porn.

00:19:43.000 Like straight on anal sex pops up on your TV and you're like, what the fuck?

00:19:47.000 Wait a minute.

00:19:48.000 Scrambled?

00:19:49.000 Was it scrambled or not scrambled?

00:19:50.000 It was channels where porn and then tons of scrambled porn mixed in.

00:19:54.000 Like you would go to a channel and it was just like, what is going on in that?

00:19:56.000 And then it would be like NBC.

00:19:58.000 And then suddenly a scrambled porn channel.

00:20:00.000 Fucking weird.

00:20:01.000 Then all the lights just turned off.

00:20:03.000 Explain that.

00:20:03.000 Wait, wait, wait, wait.

00:20:04.000 It was porn and then it would go to NBC?

00:20:07.000 Yeah, like the channels were mixed up with porn and then scrambled porn.

00:20:12.000 So whatever channel you would watch, porn would just invade the channel?

00:20:16.000 Like you turn to NBC and you turn to the next channel, it would be a guy getting his asshole licked by a girl. 0.99

00:20:16.000 No, no, no, no. 0.99

00:20:21.000 Okay.

00:20:22.000 So there's not porn on NBC?

00:20:24.000 No, no, no, no.

00:20:25.000 Okay.

00:20:26.000 That's what it sounded like.

00:20:27.000 You remember scrambled porn back in the day where it's just a bunch of static?

00:20:30.000 Yeah.

00:20:30.000 If you go to a hotel room and they would have like pay-per-view channels and you could click on it and you wouldn't be able to see anything.

00:20:35.000 There was tons of that.

00:20:35.000 Right.

00:20:36.000 It was so weird.

00:20:38.000 And then the lights didn't turn on and off.

00:20:40.000 They turned on and off when you wanted to.

00:20:42.000 And they were like, yeah, this is an eco-friendly hotel where you put your key in and it controls the air conditioning and the lights, which means the air conditioning didn't work and all the lights were just flashing on and off whenever they wanted to.

00:20:53.000 And then the pool area, topless pool area, but like 90% of the girls were like, holy shit, I have hairier chest than her. 1.00

00:21:02.000 Or I mean, she has a hairier chest than me.

00:21:04.000 It was fucking the worst hotel in the history of hotels.

00:21:08.000 But it was 4th of July.

00:21:10.000 You got out alive.

00:21:10.000 Dude, that's not the worst hotel.

00:21:12.000 There's some hotels in Russia where you wake up with stitches where your liver used to be.

00:21:15.000 Right?

00:21:15.000 Yeah.

00:21:16.000 Yeah.

00:21:17.000 You do hear stories about shit like that over in Europe.

00:21:20.000 It was crazy.

00:21:21.000 It was one of those hotels where some of the fashion of the room was these little mirrors that were placed everywhere on the wall.

00:21:26.000 And you're sitting there thinking, I wonder if there's cameras underneath all those mirrors.

00:21:31.000 You know, like it seemed that sketchy.

00:21:32.000 Like what the fuck is it?

00:21:34.000 Could be very easily.

00:21:34.000 Exactly.

00:21:35.000 Very easily.

00:21:36.000 If it's owned by that strip club too. 0.75

00:21:37.000 Yeah.

00:21:38.000 Wow.

00:21:39.000 Yeah.

00:21:40.000 Woo.

00:21:41.000 Remember that one guy?

00:21:43.000 There was a guy who got caught and he was some really, really famous rich guy.

00:21:47.000 Not a famous rich guy, but a famous rich guy's son.

00:21:51.000 I don't remember the guy's name.

00:21:53.000 But anyway, they found all these fucking cameras in his house.

00:21:57.000 Like this guy had his house like set up as basically like a little film studio and everything was hidden cameras.

00:22:02.000 And just hundreds of videos of him just with these drugged up chicks.

00:22:07.000 Yeah.

00:22:08.000 They would come in stumbling in not knowing what the fuck.

00:22:10.000 You know, he put something in their drink or something and then he was filming all of it.

00:22:14.000 You remember that story?

00:22:15.000 Yeah, I do.

00:22:16.000 I haven't combined two stories, have I?

00:22:17.000 I don't know.

00:22:18.000 I remember that though.

00:22:19.000 Like he found shit.

00:22:20.000 Like his phones were all tapped.

00:22:22.000 There was cameras everywhere, like in his lights and everything.

00:22:24.000 No, no, no.

00:22:25.000 This guy did it on purpose.

00:22:26.000 He set up his room, his bedroom like that.

00:22:29.000 And then they suspected him of drugging chicks.

00:22:31.000 I was thinking of a story where a guy found out that his whole house was bugged and he thinks that was the government.

00:22:36.000 It was from like three years ago.

00:22:38.000 I can't remember.

00:22:38.000 Who cares?

00:22:39.000 Well, there was that Hemingway thing that just came out.

00:22:41.000 You know, Hemingway thought that the government was following him.

00:22:44.000 And it turns out they were.

00:22:45.000 They were tapping his phones.

00:22:47.000 They were following him.

00:22:48.000 So he was right.

00:22:48.000 And it was like what they say, you know, some people say the last straw that drove Hemingway to commit suicide.

00:22:55.000 And that he was, people thought he was just paranoid.

00:22:59.000 But in fact, the government really was watching him.

00:23:01.000 Like why the fuck would you be watching a writer?

00:23:04.000 You know, like what do you, you know, the idea I guess is that he was too close to the communists or something like that because he was always in Cuba.

00:23:11.000 You know, like he was going to fucking overthrow the government or something.

00:23:14.000 Just being a badass, being Hemingway.

00:23:16.000 Yeah, you know, there was so much intelligence going on on different levels.

00:23:22.000 You had this whole dialectic between communism and capitalism on one level being steered by bankers higher up.

00:23:30.000 But all of this stuff, you know, that goes into a lot of my current research right now.

00:23:36.000 In fact, I've got Council on Foreign Relations documents sitting right here next to me from them talking about mushrooms and stuff like that, you know, the key players in the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:23:46.000 These people are into crazy stuff on so many levels, you know.

00:23:50.000 Yeah, and you would have to think.

00:23:51.000 Messing up people's heads and, you know, the CIA messing with people's heads, MKUltra.

00:23:56.000 They've been spying on people and messing with people forever.

00:23:59.000 Yeah, of course.

00:24:00.000 And you would have to think that anyone with any level of intelligence who is in any position of power would want to know about chemicals that change people's minds.

00:24:11.000 You'd want to know about it.

00:24:13.000 You know, you wouldn't just ignore it.

00:24:15.000 You wouldn't just say, oh, we need to make this illegal. 0.91

00:24:17.000 They would start looking into some things.

00:24:20.000 There's no way they have it.

00:24:21.000 They would be crazy not to.

00:24:22.000 Well, interestingly, what I've found out recently is that there was this exclusive club that a lot of these elitists and bankers and intelligence people belong to.

00:24:35.000 And they would share the information on psychedelics at the highest levels.

00:24:40.000 I mean, pretty much everybody at the highest levels from the 1940s through the 60s knew what was going on about psychedelics on every level before the public did.

00:24:51.000 Yeah, I would think they'd have to.

00:24:54.000 I don't know how you could be in any position of power and not be aware of something that powerful.

00:25:00.000 Something that's, you know, like the whole movement of the 60s and whether people want to wrap their head around it or not, that was all drugs.

00:25:07.000 That whole, you know, that whole acid culture that was coming out of San Francisco, that whole summer of love, that generational gap, that huge leap between the 1950s and 1960s, that was all drugs, man.

00:25:21.000 That was all drugs.

00:25:22.000 It was all people smoking pot and people doing heroin and people, you know, getting high on mushrooms and acid and feeling things that they had never felt before and being able to express things in a way they had never felt before.

00:25:34.000 And the disenfranchised, every fucking generation feels disenfranchised, man.

00:25:39.000 There's no getting around that.

00:25:40.000 It's impossible to get around it.

00:25:41.000 Everybody wants to escape from their fucking parents'clutches.

00:25:44.000 Everybody wants to escape from the designs of a system that they've been thrust into.

00:25:48.000 You know, you've been born into this fucking system that you have to participate in without you having any say in it whatsoever.

00:25:54.000 Just boom.

00:25:55.000 Every fucking single generation feels like that.

00:25:58.000 Right.

00:25:58.000 But that generation got a hold of some shit.

00:26:00.000 Well, you know, and the interesting thing, you know, and here I've got literally a stack of stuff right here.

00:26:06.000 This is all Council on Foreign Relations.

00:26:08.000 There's no way we're going to go through that in a podcast, mister.

00:26:10.000 Yeah.

00:26:10.000 Oh, well, I'm just showing you guys.

00:26:11.000 We're not going to go through it, but.

00:26:13.000 uh there's some serious stuff right here that shows how top members of U.S. intelligence like Alan Dulles, John Foster Dulles, bankers like Frank Alchultz and other guys like Walter Lippmann, all of these intelligence people as well, were at the highest levels involved in all of the psychedelics.

00:26:36.000 I have no idea.

00:26:38.000 I have no idea who any of those people are.

00:26:40.000 Alan Dolas was one of the left.

00:26:42.000 Any conspiracy theorists out there will know who Alan Dulles is.

00:26:45.000 Okay, I have no idea who any of those people are, but I do think that if I was like a total internet conspiracy geek and he just hit me with all those names in a row, I would have the Uber obscure name guy hard on right now.

00:27:01.000 And wiki those right now.

00:27:01.000 Right.

00:27:04.000 Wiki the fuck out of those guys. 0.60

00:27:05.000 I was thinking about all those documents.

00:27:07.000 Don't they have them like in PDF form now?

00:27:09.000 You can just have them like, I have all these documents on my phone.

00:27:13.000 This little thing right here is eight gigs.

00:27:15.000 And the only reason why it's eight gigs is because the 16 gig ones, for some reason or they don't process well with our little MP3 recorder.

00:27:22.000 We don't need your crazy papers, your stacks of nonsense.

00:27:27.000 The problem with that is we don't believe it unless it's on paper, man.

00:27:30.000 If it's digital, you can do anything digital shit.

00:27:32.000 You can do anything to paper shit, too.

00:27:34.000 The age of knowing what the fuck anything is is over.

00:27:38.000 Those days are done, man.

00:27:39.000 You're not going to know what's real and what's not real anymore.

00:27:42.000 It's too tricky.

00:27:43.000 There's too many pictures of Megan Fox getting fucked. 1.00

00:27:45.000 You don't have a systematic method of figuring shit out anymore.

00:27:48.000 That's the big problem.

00:27:50.000 It is a problem, but the other problem is the ability to manipulate information that matters.

00:27:54.000 Well, but if you have a systematic method of filtering it, then you know how to spot bullshit right away.

00:28:02.000 Yeah, maybe.

00:28:03.000 There is a way to do it, actually.

00:28:05.000 There's experience and instincts, too.

00:28:08.000 There's certain times where you look at something.

00:28:10.000 Brian's pretty good at spotting internet memes that are bullshit.

00:28:13.000 Pretty good at that.

00:28:14.000 You nail them.

00:28:15.000 You say, out of all the people that I know, you probably have the highest success rate for nailing internet memes.

00:28:20.000 I think I'm pretty good with it in life, too, just meeting people, judging people.

00:28:24.000 I overthink everything and try to play out all these different scenarios.

00:28:30.000 Have you guys ever studied logical fallacies?

00:28:33.000 No, I don't.

00:28:34.000 That shit gets really good because it shows you exactly how people lie, and then it enables you to name the exact lie that they're using.

00:28:41.000 So it gives you explicit knowledge.

00:28:43.000 So if somebody uses an ad hominem or an attack on the man, right?

00:28:49.000 Let's say you say something, you make a claim, and they say, oh, well, Brian's a fag. 0.99

00:28:52.000 I don't want to listen to anything.

00:28:54.000 He says, well, then you know, oh, well, that's an ad hominem.

00:28:56.000 He didn't deal with the information that Brian presented.

00:28:58.000 He attacked Brian instead.

00:29:00.000 And there's all of these.

00:29:02.000 Exactly.

00:29:03.000 You know, there's all these different fallacies.

00:29:05.000 So when you can name them, though, it totally enables you how to know when somebody's lying to you.

00:29:11.000 And so when you can understand that.

00:29:13.000 See, now I have like this energy thing where I really think it's mushrooms or psychedelics that's kind of enhanced this, that I could actually look at people and kind of hear them talk and look at their eyes and face and not actually study it.

00:29:26.000 Just overall, I could feel they're kind of like an energy almost.

00:29:29.000 Like I can see if this person's a little dark in places and kind of like it's weird.

00:29:34.000 It's true, but there are certain people that you're not going to feel.

00:29:37.000 Especially sociopaths.

00:29:39.000 Have you ever had a sociopath snip into your circle?

00:29:41.000 You didn't realize he was a sociopath until like after a while, you're like, whoa, what the fuck is going on?

00:29:46.000 You know, Eddie Bravo and I knew a dude who killed a guy.

00:29:49.000 Yeah, I haven't had that.

00:29:50.000 No, what happened?

00:29:50.000 Do you know that story?

00:29:51.000 There was a guy, well, he would say his name was Rafael Torrey, but that wasn't his real name.

00:29:55.000 His real name was something else.

00:29:56.000 He like invented this name and pretended he was a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt and made his way into the mixed martial arts community as a total scam artist.

00:30:06.000 And Eddie had disowned him for lying about jiu-jitsu because Eddie found out that he lied about being a black belt and he wasn't really a black belt at all.

00:30:15.000 So Eddie stopped hanging out with him because he's like, this guy's crazy.

00:30:17.000 He's just making things up.

00:30:18.000 Like he had rolled him a couple times and tapped him out really easy.

00:30:21.000 But then he thought maybe the guy was like being respectful and not trying to roll too hard.

00:30:24.000 But then he realized after a while, like, oh, no, this guy's terrible.

00:30:27.000 Like, he doesn't know any jiu-jitsu.

00:30:28.000 He's not a black belt. 0.70

00:30:29.000 This is crazy.

00:30:30.000 Anyway, time goes on.

00:30:32.000 That guy killed a guy.

00:30:34.000 And he was dating this guy's wife and lured this guy back to his dojo, apparently, and choked the guy to death.

00:30:41.000 Yeah.

00:30:43.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:30:43.000 That's deep shit.

00:30:45.000 Killed the guy and then was driving around the dude's car and shit.

00:30:48.000 So I knew that guy, man.

00:30:49.000 I hung out with that guy.

00:30:50.000 I hung out with that guy and his wife.

00:30:52.000 Wow.

00:30:52.000 Yeah.

00:30:53.000 They were over at Eddie's place.

00:30:54.000 And you had no feeling at all?

00:30:57.000 Dude, I did not have any feeling of danger, any feeling that he was a bad guy.

00:31:01.000 He seemed like just a friendly dude.

00:31:03.000 He hadn't killed anybody yet.

00:31:05.000 I don't think.

00:31:05.000 I mean, maybe he did it earlier and got away with it.

00:31:08.000 I don't think.

00:31:09.000 Maybe the pussy was so good. 1.00

00:31:11.000 Maybe the pussy was so good. 1.00

00:31:13.000 Maybe it was just so good.

00:31:14.000 He just couldn't help it.

00:31:15.000 I don't know.

00:31:15.000 I doubt it.

00:31:16.000 But he was already getting it.

00:31:18.000 I don't get the killing part.

00:31:19.000 That's weird.

00:31:20.000 How about you just moved to Florida together or something crazy?

00:31:20.000 Yeah.

00:31:24.000 To fucking kill that guy, man.

00:31:25.000 Go have sees on Costco, memory.

00:31:28.000 Don't be crazy.

00:31:29.000 But I think, I like to think that I have the ability to spot bullshit, and I think I'm pretty good at it.

00:31:36.000 But that guy troubles me.

00:31:38.000 That guy troubles me.

00:31:39.000 The idea that I ran into that guy and had no idea that he was capable of murder.

00:31:43.000 Because I've met some other people, and if you asked me if they were capable of murder, I'd say, yeah, probably.

00:31:48.000 This is funny because, like, you know how Duncan is?

00:31:50.000 Would you ever think that Duncan could be one of those guys that go off and go crazy and murder people?

00:31:54.000 Duncan could murder somebody if the position was correct.

00:31:57.000 'Cause I was looking at, if I had the chance Yeah.

00:32:01.000 If you thought, you know, everybody could if you were pushed to a position where you felt like you had to.

00:32:06.000 I love Duncan to death, but the thoughts that he has, especially when he was in that satanic mode, I was like, really?

00:32:13.000 Like, I always wondered.

00:32:14.000 Oh, well, he's just experimental.

00:32:16.000 You know, when he was into Satanism, he was just being experimental.

00:32:20.000 He wasn't really like, I'm going to fucking worship Satan.

00:32:23.000 He was like, I think it's fascinating that everybody misunderstands this.

00:32:26.000 And what it really is, is they're saying they want to be hedonistic.

00:32:30.000 They want to indulge in pleasures and overeat and have sex and sleep till noon.

00:32:36.000 That's like Satanism to them.

00:32:38.000 That's like expressing themselves in the most ridiculous and outrageous and self-serving way possible, as opposed to this idea of the pious Christian who's trying to serve the Holy Father. 0.97

00:32:50.000 Well, you have his fascination with serial killers, too, which is another level.

00:32:54.000 He does?

00:32:54.000 Yeah, yeah.

00:32:55.000 There is another level to Satanism, though.

00:32:56.000 You should check out Mark Passio's work, those interested.

00:33:00.000 He goes into some deep stuff.

00:33:01.000 He used to be a priest of the Church of Satan.

00:33:04.000 Duncan, like all artists, toys with madness.

00:33:08.000 You know, everybody does.

00:33:09.000 He does it to the most that I know.

00:33:11.000 That's why I would think.

00:33:12.000 I agree.

00:33:14.000 He gets deep.

00:33:15.000 Well, he's very experimental with his thought processes.

00:33:18.000 It's one of the reasons why his comedy is so funny.

00:33:20.000 And just his sense of the world is very unique.

00:33:25.000 I love it.

00:33:25.000 It's a very fascinating take.

00:33:27.000 But it's a couple steps away from crazy, man.

00:33:30.000 I know.

00:33:31.000 It really is.

00:33:32.000 And as is mine.

00:33:33.000 I am guilty as charged.

00:33:34.000 When people say, hey, what about you, man?

00:33:36.000 Like, dude, you're never going to get out of me that I think in any way, shape, or form that I'm some sort of a perfect person.

00:33:42.000 I'm constantly fucking up left and right, trying to patch up mistakes, trying to fucking be on the straight and narrow all the time.

00:33:48.000 But I'm crazy, too.

00:33:50.000 I know I am.

00:33:51.000 I know given the right circumstances, the right situation, I could go fucking completely insane.

00:33:56.000 And I think a lot of artists are in that same situation.

00:33:59.000 It's like if everything's going smooth in your life, you don't even know yourself.

00:34:03.000 You don't know what you're capable of.

00:34:05.000 It's when the shit gets ugly that you find out what you're really capable of.

00:34:08.000 Like Donner party type shit where people freeze and you got to eat them because you don't want to starve.

00:34:14.000 You'd eat the first.

00:34:15.000 I'll fucking eat somebody, bro.

00:34:17.000 I'm getting that ass. 1.00

00:34:18.000 Joey Diaz's ass is mine.

00:34:18.000 Snap right there.

00:34:20.000 I'll go right over to the dark side.

00:34:21.000 Joey Diaz would cook up well over some burning sticks because he's got so much fat in his meat.

00:34:27.000 Yeah, that would be delicious.

00:34:28.000 That'd be like pecan ye. 0.89

00:34:29.000 You might be the best.

00:34:30.000 You're like a veal.

00:34:31.000 I don't know.

00:34:32.000 You're like a chubby veal.

00:34:33.000 Very hairy.

00:34:34.000 I think I would have a lot of root in him.

00:34:35.000 So's a pig, bro, but they're delicious once you burn that hair off.

00:34:39.000 Come on, son.

00:34:40.000 Come on, son.

00:34:40.000 I'm black.

00:34:41.000 Don't get crazy.

00:34:43.000 So, Jan, you wrote two books on psychedelics and the relationship to Christianity.

00:34:48.000 You've got the first one that you wrote was the Pharmaquatic Inquisition.

00:34:52.000 Well, that was the DVD I did, Pharmacatic Inquisition.

00:34:55.000 Aquatic.

00:34:56.000 Yeah, Pharmaquatic.

00:34:57.000 I was like, I've got the quack in there.

00:34:58.000 Yeah.

00:34:58.000 Can I see that?

00:35:00.000 Astrotheology and Shamanism was the book.

00:35:01.000 That was the book, right?

00:35:02.000 So the Pharmacatic Inquisition was what you were going to call it at one point in time, and then you decided to just do it as a lecture series.

00:35:09.000 Right.

00:35:09.000 Well, you know, Astrotheology and Shamanism describe more of what the book is about, which is the, well, we publish ancient primary texts about ancient sun and star worship and Christianity, and I've also published more recently ancient primary texts on Christians using mushrooms as well, which is what my second book is about.

00:35:30.000 That's the holy mushroom.

00:35:31.000 That's the holy mushroom evidence of mushrooms in Judeo-Christianity.

00:35:35.000 But in that book, I published the first ancient primary texts of mushroom use by Christians, and it was a document called The Epistle to the Renegade Bishops, which is a Canaanized text for the Orthodox Church.

00:35:50.000 You know what I'd love about Jan before you go any further?

00:35:54.000 I met Jan years ago.

00:35:56.000 I mean, how long ago have I known you?

00:35:57.000 At least eight years.

00:35:58.000 At least eight years.

00:35:59.000 And when I met Jan years ago, he was just this really cool guy.

00:36:02.000 I met you over Jack Harris's house right now.

00:36:04.000 Right, we met at Jack's.

00:36:05.000 Yeah, we went to Jack Harris' house, and Jan was just this really cool guy who was very smart and had a lot of information.

00:36:11.000 But there's a lot of those guys, you know, and they'll tell you things.

00:36:14.000 They'll tell you stuff about this, and did you know that the 15th president, blah, blah, blah.

00:36:18.000 And they're fascinating to talk to.

00:36:20.000 But you actually wrote fucking books.

00:36:23.000 Like, my man wrote some real ass books, you know, with like references and, you know, he's got a glossary in this bitch. 1.00

00:36:23.000 You know what I'm saying? 1.00

00:36:33.000 You know, there's photographs.

00:36:34.000 The color photos are fucking awesome because it's like, at a certain point in time, it becomes undeniable.

00:36:40.000 And that shirt, the shirt that you have on that is a cardinal.

00:36:44.000 Anybody can see that?

00:36:45.000 It shows the colors of the cardinal and how the cardinals, well, you know, the ancient Catholic Church period, the ancient Christianity, they were obsessed with that mushroom.

00:36:56.000 Amanita muscaria mushroom. 0.98

00:36:58.000 Oh, you got it over there?

00:36:59.000 Hold up the front cover of the holy mushroom book.

00:37:01.000 It's hard to see because this is a really old painting.

00:37:05.000 And when you're looking at it, let me tell them what it is, though.

00:37:10.000 On the right side of the window there up above is baby Jesus writing on the back of St. Christopher and baby Jesus is in the shape of a mushroom and we've even had a professor of mycology identify the exact type of mushroom that Jesus is depicted as there and that's from Montferron du Parigord, France, from the 13th century from a chapel there.

00:37:31.000 And there's a lot of mushrooms on this fucking wall.

00:37:33.000 So most artists are drug addicts.

00:37:35.000 So wouldn't you think just back then that artist that did it was just like, man, I'd like to eat some mushrooms and I got hired to do this church.

00:37:43.000 They're like, what is with the mushroom?

00:37:45.000 Dude, it looks bitching. 1.00

00:37:47.000 Well, you know, if you think about it.

00:37:48.000 It probably got in a lot of trouble for that.

00:37:50.000 It probably got stoned.

00:37:52.000 A lot of people are probably like, what the fuck?

00:37:54.000 Christians using mushrooms? 1.00

00:37:56.000 What's that about?

00:37:57.000 Imagine if this whole Christian mushroom connection was really just a bunch of taggers. 0.95

00:38:03.000 Yeah.

00:38:04.000 Seriously.

00:38:04.000 I just jokesters who are artists.

00:38:06.000 Well, we actually do have several primary texts about it.

00:38:09.000 In fact, there's one text found in the Jewish Kabbalah in the book of Zohar that specifically discusses the mushroom, the red mushroom, or the red fungus, actually.

00:38:19.000 And like I said, the Christian text, the Epistle of the Renegade Bishops, there's a Muslim text from the 7th century that discusses manna being a type of mushroom.

00:38:31.000 And mana was referred to in other texts as well, and soma was referred to in the Hindu text, and that was also thought to be possibly related to right.

00:38:40.000 And there is an argument right now going on between academics if the manna, where it says that it's a mushroom in this Muslim Mishkat text, if it's talking about a truffle or a psychedelic mushroom, and the word there that they use, you know, it describes the word sight, and the word sight that is written in the original text can be spiritual or visual sight.

00:39:03.000 So the debate is whether or not this truffle is a mushroom mushroom or a truffle-type mushroom.

00:39:09.000 So, you know, but either way, mana-mana appears to have been a type of mushroom.

00:39:15.000 But, you know, I have to give John Marco Allegro credit.

00:39:19.000 I'm the publisher of the 40th anniversary edition of his book.

00:39:22.000 And this book here was actually a really famous book in the 1970s.

00:39:30.000 We've talked about this many times on the show.

00:39:32.000 I republished this.

00:39:32.000 Right.

00:39:33.000 This is an incredible book.

00:39:34.000 Well, this is the new version that John has republished.

00:39:36.000 Yeah, I republished it.

00:39:38.000 I work with John Allegro's family.

00:39:40.000 I've got two copies of the old original one.

00:39:43.000 I've got a couple of them.

00:39:43.000 Yeah, and I've got a couple of them.

00:39:45.000 I wanted to buy them because I knew they were out of print and it's so cool.

00:39:48.000 It was original.

00:39:49.000 The new version has a 35-page addendum by Professor Carl Ruck from Boston University, who has come out publicly endorsing Allegro's work.

00:39:58.000 And then, plus, like I said, my only one.

00:39:59.000 I'm going to explain this before we go any further because there's a lot of people who are uninitiated.

00:40:04.000 John Marco Allegro worked for the people that were deciphering the Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:40:09.000 Well, he was one of the original eight members of the Dead Sea Scrolls team to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls.

00:40:14.000 They contacted Oxford University.

00:40:16.000 He was studying his doctorate in philology there in Asiatic languages, which that part of the Middle East is considered Asia.

00:40:26.000 And so he, somebody contacted the university and asked them to send their best, so they recommended John Allegro go.

00:40:36.000 And so he worked to translate the Dead Sea Scrolls from 1953 until 1968.

00:40:42.000 He was actually the only member of the Dead Sea Scrolls team to ever release any information about the Dead Sea Scrolls to the public during that period from like 1953 until 1991.

00:40:57.000 And so the other members of the team sat on their information for years.

00:41:02.000 And after a huge blow-up, the Huntington Library in about 1990-91, which is over by Pasadena, they finally released all of their photographs in their possession of the Dead Sea Scrolls, which finally allowed other scholars to get their hands on them and translate them.

00:41:20.000 But John Allegro, up until that point, was the only one that was fighting against the rest of the team to put information out.

00:41:26.000 And of course, they attacked him.

00:41:27.000 If you go to Dead Sea Scrolls displays today, they almost completely omit them from any mention of the Dead Sea Scrolls, but he was really the key player to get it out to the public.

00:41:37.000 And so, well, what happened was in the 1950s, Professor John Ramsbottom from the London Botanical Museum published a book suggesting that Adam and Eve in the tree of knowledge was a mushroom, and he showed a fresco from France that's called the Plane Corrow Fresco that's found in the future.

00:41:59.000 How can people find it?

00:41:59.000 It's online.

00:42:00.000 What is it called?

00:42:01.000 The Plane Corrow Fresco.

00:42:02.000 In fact, it's in the book there.

00:42:03.000 It's image number here.

00:42:05.000 Because it's a fascinating image.

00:42:06.000 I've seen it a hundred times.

00:42:07.000 Let me see that.

00:42:08.000 Just hold up the back of the book there, actually.

00:42:11.000 Well, the problem is that most people are not going to see this.

00:42:14.000 Most people are going to get this on Sirius Satellite Radio or on iTunes.

00:42:17.000 Yeah, but it's P-L A-I-N for your Zoom. 0.56

00:42:21.000 C-O-U-R-A-U-L-T. 1.00

00:42:23.000 Say that again, Brock.

00:42:24.000 I was talking out of you.

00:42:25.000 I'm sorry.

00:42:25.000 Go ahead.

00:42:26.000 P-L-A-I-N-C-O-U-R-A-U-L-T. 1.00

00:42:31.000 And let me check that again.

00:42:32.000 The painting is amazing.

00:42:34.000 If you haven't seen it before, and again, Brian could be right.

00:42:37.000 It could be some crazy artist who's really into mushrooms.

00:42:39.000 Well, that's what I think most artists are into, you know, check it out because that's why they're painting.

00:42:43.000 I've never heard that point before.

00:42:45.000 It's very good point.

00:42:46.000 It's a very good point.

00:42:47.000 I know every artist and every author likes to do drugs.

00:42:49.000 So they're taking these scrolls.

00:42:52.000 These guys probably did a lot of drugs and they're throwing mushrooms in also.

00:42:55.000 You were talking about that maze or whatever it's called, the maize mushroom earlier.

00:42:59.000 What was the mushroom that you're calling earlier?

00:43:01.000 You said it was from the old Hebrew text when you translate it.

00:43:03.000 They said from the Mishkat.

00:43:06.000 Yeah, so maybe the author of that was on mushrooms.

00:43:09.000 He's like, yeah, I'm going to throw some mushrooms in here because I like to eat mushrooms too.

00:43:13.000 Throw it into the middle.

00:43:14.000 If you look at, see, in my holy mushroom book, I published 43 images or paintings that go from Russia to England, and it shows a pretty widespread use from the early first millennium all the way through the late 1800s.

00:43:34.000 It's as if God hired someone to write the Bible.

00:43:36.000 And as the dude is writing, he just throws some mushrooms.

00:43:39.000 Fuck yeah.

00:43:39.000 Of course he's going to tag the Bible of God paying.

00:43:43.000 All God's making.

00:43:44.000 God's busy.

00:43:45.000 He has other things except he's looking through deciphering mushrooms.

00:43:48.000 Back to this John Marco Legro thing.

00:43:50.000 So John Marco Allegro worked on the Dead Sea Scrolls for 14, 15 years.

00:43:55.000 He comes to the conclusion with this book that you are republishing the sacred mushroom in the cross.

00:43:59.000 And if you allow me, tell me if it's correct, his conclusion is that all of Christianity is a gigantic misunderstanding.

00:44:08.000 What it really is about is the fertility cults and the consumption of psychedelic mushrooms.

00:44:14.000 And that's the whole religion.

00:44:16.000 And he argues that Jesus himself was an anthropomorphism or a metaphor for the mushroom, for the entheogenic experience itself, not a physical person.

00:44:24.000 And in fact, theologists and religious experts still today debate constantly whether or not Jesus and these characters were historical.

00:44:36.000 There's a lot of evidence to suggest that they are in fact myths, just like Zeus or any of the Greek gods or any of the Hindu gods or any other gods.

00:44:48.000 But when you live in your own religion and you have your own beliefs, you tend to take them on as real historical characters.

00:44:56.000 But as I showed in my first book, Astrotheology and Shamanism, when you compare all of these different religions that hold beliefs like sun worship and moon worship and these things, as well as psychedelics, and they all start to tie together when you look at their similarities through fertility rituals, through psychedelic use, and through sun and star and moon worship.

00:45:18.000 You know, like I said earlier, I published a fourth century text from Father Epiphanius where he's sitting there talking about how the birth of Jesus coincides exactly with the birth of the sun and everything.

00:45:31.000 And then he says, but all of those other pagan religions, they're not the real one.

00:45:35.000 We're the real one.

00:45:36.000 And his text was actually censored for a thousand years by the church until another older copy of it was later found and published in the 1850s.

00:45:45.000 So the church literally tried to suppress one of their own guys' texts talking about this stuff.

00:45:51.000 Well, I would assume that if you look at all this religious artwork that has all these mushroom symbols in them, and we're talking about doorway openings, right?

00:46:01.000 Like the shape of doorway openings.

00:46:02.000 And Jack Herrer, when he was about to write the.

00:46:05.000 Sure, why don't you open up astrotheology and shamanism and show them some of the doorway openings?

00:46:09.000 Let's not stick to just audio because, like I said, the majority, the vast majority of the people that get this podcast get it just.

00:46:09.000 Well, we can't.

00:46:18.000 But anyway, my point was, do you think that how it went down was that all of this knowledge and information about psychedelics was kept from the common person?

00:46:31.000 Was it like only with the powers of the church?

00:46:34.000 Was it?

00:46:35.000 Right, well, it was kept for the elite, those who basically had the knowledge of the trivium and quadrivium or had studied the seven liberal arts.

00:46:43.000 They were considered better than the masses or the dead, as they're also known, or the profane, right?

00:46:49.000 And so the elites and the educated would hold this information for themselves, the trivium, the quadrivium, the psychedelics, the history of philosophy.

00:46:58.000 Actually, there's also that a lot of people don't know about is there was this ancient conversation.

00:47:02.000 It's 2,500 years old.

00:47:04.000 It's still going on.

00:47:05.000 And it's called, well, it's called the Great Conversation, but it's found in a series of books called The Great Books of the Western World.

00:47:13.000 And leading thinkers and leading experts every generation add on to this great conversation, and it's still going on today.

00:47:21.000 It goes all the way from Socrates to today.

00:47:24.000 And right now it's like 54 or 59 volumes or something like that.

00:47:29.000 It's like a 10-year undertaking, but any real expert in the ancient knowledge or in philosophy or anything like that has studied this great conversation or has participated in it.

00:47:41.000 And so there's all of these different levels of knowledge.

00:47:44.000 The trivium and quadrivium is the foundation to the great books of the Western world.

00:47:48.000 So you have to have a firm understanding of this information.

00:47:52.000 And all of this is related to the religions as well.

00:47:55.000 But just to give a very quick synopsis, the trivium, specifically in this order, is grammar, logic, and rhetoric.

00:48:02.000 And that teaches you how to think and how to learn, not what to think.

00:48:07.000 And then the quadrivium is math, geometry, music, and astronomy, specifically in that order.

00:48:14.000 Math is number.

00:48:16.000 Geometry is number in space.

00:48:18.000 Music is number in time.

00:48:19.000 and astronomy is number in music and time.

00:48:22.000 And then so when you have this foundation...

00:48:26.000 Number in space and time.

00:48:27.000 Music is number in time.

00:48:28.000 Astronomy is number in space and time.

00:48:31.000 Okay.

00:48:31.000 You say music in space.

00:48:32.000 Sorry about that.

00:48:34.000 This motherfucker is higher than me.

00:48:36.000 I need a calculator.

00:48:37.000 But what they do is, you know, up until the 1850s, everybody in their schooling was taught the trivium and quadrivium.

00:48:44.000 So then if you wanted to go on to this higher level of education in the great books of the Western world, you could participate.

00:48:50.000 but all of the old great thinkers were in on it, basically.

00:48:53.000 So all the old great thinkers were in on mushrooms, but no one...

00:48:58.000 They were in on the great conversation.

00:48:59.000 But there are aspects, you know, in my research and in some of these documents here through some of the clubs, it's very clear that many members of the elite, like let's say the owner of Time Life magazine, the head of the CIA, rich financiers like Oppenheimer or Walter Lippmann or Frank Asholtz, these guys.

00:49:22.000 Geek boner right now.

00:49:25.000 All of these guys were in on this top knowledge and they were sharing this information at the top levels.

00:49:30.000 I can actually, you know, I have documentation.

00:49:34.000 Actually, these are from university, like from the CFR archives at Princeton University and things like that.

00:49:40.000 So I can show you from their own archives.

00:49:43.000 So in their own archives, they talk about mushrooms.

00:49:45.000 They talk about psychedelic drugs.

00:49:46.000 Well, the key players involved, like especially Gordon Wasson, Gordon Wasson was involved in all levels of U.S. intelligence.

00:49:55.000 And he is the guy who in 1957 brought out the story about magic mushrooms in Life Magazine.

00:50:03.000 Right.

00:50:03.000 Very famous article.

00:50:04.000 Right.

00:50:05.000 So Gordon Wasson was a chairman for the Council on Foreign Relations.

00:50:11.000 Henry Luce at Time Life Magazine, he was skull and bones, but he was also working with Gordon Wasson at this point.

00:50:21.000 Whenever I talk to Jan, he has to go so deep with all this conspiracy type shit.

00:50:26.000 It's all real.

00:50:26.000 I'm sure it's all real.

00:50:27.000 I shouldn't say conspiracy.

00:50:28.000 He conspired.

00:50:29.000 They conspired to do something in this.

00:50:31.000 That's why I have the documents.

00:50:32.000 I totally agree.

00:50:34.000 It's not interesting to me.

00:50:35.000 What's interesting to me is how this all goes.

00:50:37.000 What about the starting audience might be?

00:50:40.000 Dude, that's why you need to get it.

00:50:41.000 You go too far.

00:50:42.000 You go too far.

00:50:43.000 You go too far down to this guy, that guy.

00:50:44.000 I got to take notes on names.

00:50:46.000 Like, honestly, to me, it's like you started saying all these names and stuff, and I'm so confused because I don't know any of these.

00:50:46.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:50:51.000 Trust me, sir.

00:50:52.000 Take it from an entertainer who knows his audience.

00:50:54.000 It's the wrong way to go with this subject.

00:50:55.000 Draw me a picture.

00:50:56.000 Because it's a fascinating subject.

00:50:57.000 The idea that all religious experiences come from psychedelic experiences.

00:51:01.000 It totally, completely makes sense.

00:51:03.000 The connection between this Amanita muscaria mushroom, the relationship that it has to Christmas trees, that it has a Michael Reiser relationship with the Christmas tree and it grows under them, and that all these things, no one knows about this.

00:51:16.000 This is all, for some reason, has been kept out of public school systems, kept out of universities.

00:51:23.000 Nobody's talking about that.

00:51:24.000 Well, it's all being kept from.

00:51:27.000 The public education system isn't designed to make you intelligent and free your mind.

00:51:32.000 It's designed to make you a good soldier of factory.

00:51:34.000 Right, but okay, but forget about that.

00:51:35.000 Is there a single course in any accredited university anywhere in the world where they go into depth about the history of psychedelic use?

00:51:42.000 I would say yes, there are a few.

00:51:44.000 You know, and anthropology especially, but Professor Tom Roberts at the University of Illinois has been teaching the oldest running psychedelics course since the 1980s.

00:51:53.000 And what does he talk about?

00:51:56.000 Is it basically about psychedelic research?

00:51:58.000 Yeah, he's also a major archiver of psychedelic information and things like that.

00:52:01.000 Does he go into depth about the history of its use, like John Markle, Allegro, type of stuff?

00:52:05.000 Right, yeah, and people are allowed to, you know, study, you know, he allows people in his class to choose a book in the whole, you know, there's like four or five hundred books on psychedelic studies from all different directions out there, and he lets them go out and research these and write reports on them and things like that as part of the class.

00:52:24.000 I wonder how if he gets talked to by anybody at any point in time, you know, and they have to make sure that he doesn't encourage the use of these and that it has to be.

00:52:24.000 That's interesting.

00:52:33.000 Who knows?

00:52:34.000 I'm sure that they make it obvious.

00:52:37.000 But I interviewed him on my podcast.

00:52:39.000 For those who don't know, GnosticMedia.com.

00:52:42.000 Gnostic is G-Ned. 0.97

00:52:44.000 G-N-O-S-T-I-C Media.com.

00:52:47.000 But he was very open about his own psychedelic use on my show.

00:52:54.000 Really wasn't.

00:52:55.000 You know, I've interviewed more than 60 doctors and professors and leading experts in psychedelic studies on my show from Stan Groff, who's one of the leading experts or the leading expert on LSD, and a bunch of other people.

00:53:08.000 And they're very straightforward about their own personal use.

00:53:12.000 I think there's been one doctor that I've had on, Deborah Mash at the University of Miami, who says she's never tried the drugs that she researches.

00:53:21.000 That's interesting.

00:53:22.000 Strassman's kind of, he doesn't really talk about it that much, does he?

00:53:26.000 Not too much.

00:53:28.000 But, you know, he and I have talked about it a little bit on the side before, but he's not too public about anything.

00:53:34.000 Well, if you don't know, Strassman is the guy who wrote the book DMT, the Spirit Molecule, which is an amazing book.

00:53:40.000 One of the more recent, probably the most recent study of psychedelic drugs that was approved by the federal government.

00:53:49.000 And he shot these people up with DMT, and they had these fucking incredible visions and incredible stories.

00:53:55.000 Like really intense book.

00:53:57.000 And very, very fascinating.

00:53:59.000 But he didn't talk about it too much.

00:54:01.000 But he did tell me about these crazy people that have a loophole in New Mexico, and they just got away with doing this, apparently.

00:54:06.000 They just won during the Supreme, with the Supreme Court.

00:54:09.000 You know, the people I'm talking about?

00:54:11.000 The church.

00:54:12.000 They drink that huasca together.

00:54:13.000 Ayahuasca.

00:54:14.000 They call it ahuaska, though.

00:54:16.000 But it is a DMT, an orally active DMT.

00:54:18.000 Right.

00:54:19.000 Well, you know, ahuasca, ayahuasca.

00:54:21.000 There's a few different names for it, but they're Santo Daimé.

00:54:27.000 I think that's the name of it.

00:54:27.000 I think that's it.

00:54:28.000 And they wear uniforms, and they all take super powerful ayahuasca and then sing songs about Jesus.

00:54:35.000 Right.

00:54:36.000 Yeah.

00:54:36.000 The Santo Daime Church, they won the right to practice up in Oregon about two years ago.

00:54:42.000 And the Uno de Vegetal is another ayahuasca church that operates in the United States, and they've had approval for about five or ten years.

00:54:48.000 How incredible is that?

00:54:49.000 Right.

00:54:50.000 Well, you have the Native American Church.

00:54:51.000 You have the Oklahoma Native American Church.

00:54:54.000 The Oklahoma Native American Church is the only one, only Native American church that allows non-natives to practice.

00:55:00.000 And they practice peyote, mushrooms.

00:55:02.000 They pretty much do the whole thing there, yeah.

00:55:04.000 And non-natives are allowed? 1.00

00:55:05.000 Non-natives are allowed in the Oklahomueha branch, and that's run by James Warren Flying Eagle Mooney. 1.00

00:55:13.000 Flying Eagle, sir.

00:55:15.000 If you're out there, holla at your boy.

00:55:18.000 Let's make something happen.

00:55:19.000 I'm talking about like a yearly thing.

00:55:22.000 Holla at your boy. 0.81

00:55:23.000 We could do it legal.

00:55:24.000 Legal peyote.

00:55:26.000 Yeah, but yeah, you know, these in the desert.

00:55:28.000 You know, and when you think about it, almost all religions, if you go back far enough, they were using psychedelics.

00:55:33.000 It wasn't just the Native Americans or the South Americans who used ayahuasca or, you know, it wasn't just brown cultures.

00:55:39.000 It was the white cultures too.

00:55:42.000 In Genesis, Rachel and Leia are arguing over who gets the mandrakes to have sex with Rachel's husband.

00:55:49.000 So this is Mandrake is a psychedelic as well as an aphrodisiac.

00:55:54.000 It's in the scolpolamine family.

00:55:56.000 Ryan says, in the Song of Solomon, it discusses Mandrake there as well.

00:56:06.000 And there's been a number of people, myself, Jack Hare that we both knew, and Clark Heinrich have all argued that the entire story in Song of Solomon is actually basically a psychedelic story.

00:56:21.000 If you look at it, if the characters are put in context of drugs and red mushrooms with white spots and things, suddenly the story makes a lot more sense.

00:56:29.000 Here's an example, and it is on the same subject, although it doesn't feel that it would be, of, you know, how we were talking earlier about being able to feel if someone's weird, feel someone's crazy.

00:56:39.000 The first time I was introduced to this subject was the first time I met Jan.

00:56:42.000 I met Jan over at Jack Harris' place, and Jack Harris was showing me all these photos, which I hope are still around.

00:56:48.000 I hope somebody got those.

00:56:50.000 He had these incredible photos of artwork where it showed naked people.

00:56:53.000 Yeah, the rocket mushroom and stuff like that.

00:56:55.000 They were under a mushroom.

00:56:56.000 They had like a transparent mushroom, and they were naked in ecstasy dancing on the mushroom, clearly showing these people under the effect of this psychedelic drug.

00:57:04.000 And so it's me and it's Jan and it's Jack and it's Jack's friend.

00:57:08.000 And man, Jack's friend, all my alarms are going off.

00:57:11.000 I'm like, this guy is just fucking weird, man.

00:57:13.000 I'm like, this guy is creeping me out.

00:57:15.000 Yeah, you know, I don't like the way he talks.

00:57:17.000 I don't like the way he interacts with me.

00:57:19.000 I'm uncomfortable when he gets close to me.

00:57:21.000 I'm like, how are these people around this guy?

00:57:22.000 I'm like, this guy's just sitting off.

00:57:24.000 And I'm just not picking up any of this.

00:57:25.000 And, you know, it's funny is like, it must have been like six months later, I called Joe up.

00:57:29.000 I'm driving down the freeway one day and I called Joe up and like, dude, you know that guy that was at Jack's house that day?

00:57:34.000 I was all, he just got busted and he's all, and then Joe interrupts me and he said, he was a pedophile.

00:57:40.000 And I went, oh my fucking God, how did you know?

00:57:43.000 And he's all, I just knew, dude.

00:57:45.000 Right?

00:57:45.000 The guy got arrested for pedophiles.

00:57:47.000 Yeah, the guy got arrested for pedophilia and killed himself in jail.

00:57:50.000 Wow.

00:57:51.000 Or supposedly.

00:57:52.000 Oh, no, he did, dude.

00:57:53.000 He set up this whole, no, he set up this whole little ritual and he sent a letter to my friend about the whole ritual that he was doing.

00:58:01.000 I mean, it was all like, you know, timed with the eclipse and all this shit and with the Pope, with Pope John Paul's burial.

00:58:07.000 It was like April 8th, 2005 or some shit.

00:58:11.000 I think he was...

00:58:11.000 I don't know, man.

00:58:14.000 I just knew.

00:58:15.000 I knew I wanted to kill him.

00:58:17.000 When you're around certain people and you want to kill them, that's not good.

00:58:20.000 Like when you just feel like this is a dangerous animal that's near me.

00:58:24.000 Like, why am I allowing this thing to be near me?

00:58:27.000 I don't, you know, like I said, I don't claim to be perfect at this.

00:58:31.000 Like, that Raphael Torrey guy totally slipped through my radar.

00:58:34.000 Mostly because I was stoned as fuck when I was ever hanging around with him.

00:58:37.000 Maybe it was that.

00:58:37.000 Maybe I was just too, you know, but we were stoned as fuck that day at Jack Harris' house in all places.

00:58:43.000 You know what I mean?

00:58:44.000 Whatever it was.

00:58:44.000 Good point.

00:58:45.000 Father of the hip movement.

00:58:46.000 He just set me off.

00:58:47.000 Yeah, it was so uncomfortable because this was the first time I was meeting Jack.

00:58:50.000 And it was really like, you know, if you don't know who Jack Harrow is, Jack Harrer wrote the book, The Emperor Was, thank you, rest in peace, Jack.

00:58:58.000 He wrote a book called The Emperor Wears No Clothes, and it's a brilliant book where it really breaks down everything that the whole history of Kemp and marijuana, medical marijuana.

00:59:09.000 And actually, our friend Todd McCormick has re-released this, and it's right now.

00:59:13.000 They put a new edition.

00:59:14.000 Yeah, you know, do you guys have a new edition?

00:59:19.000 No, I don't have a new one.

00:59:20.000 I have the old one, but it's in my library, which is on the other side of the house.

00:59:24.000 He's got like 12 autographed copies from every edition from Jack at home.

00:59:28.000 He was a guy who, it's a really fascinating story.

00:59:31.000 He was a Goldwater Republican, a real man's man.

00:59:33.000 He was in the military.

00:59:35.000 And this guy gets divorced and he meets some woman and he wants to get late.

00:59:38.000 So he gets high with her.

00:59:40.000 And now all of a sudden he realizes the benefits of marijuana and then he gets angry and realizes, holy shit, we're being fucked over and lied to.

00:59:48.000 Like this stuff is great.

00:59:49.000 And dedicates his life to letting people know how he's going to be able to do it.

00:59:52.000 He became literally the father of the hemp movement.

00:59:56.000 So he actually brought industrial hemp back to like 50 countries.

00:59:59.000 That's not him.

01:00:00.000 It's the guy in the middle.

01:00:02.000 The older guy next to him.

01:00:03.000 No, no, I mean, that's not the child monster guy.

01:00:05.000 No, no, no.

01:00:06.000 I have photos of the child monster guy.

01:00:08.000 I have a photo of all of us together.

01:00:09.000 Yeah, all of us, all of us together.

01:00:10.000 You, me, Jack, and the dead child moluster. 0.58

01:00:13.000 Yeah, man, I knew when you called me up, I just knew.

01:00:16.000 It sounds stupid.

01:00:17.000 I mean, it could have been just a great guess, and I'm all cocky.

01:00:20.000 Like, yeah, I called it.

01:00:21.000 I knew it.

01:00:23.000 But I knew when I was around that there was something wrong with him.

01:00:25.000 I knew.

01:00:26.000 It was so obvious to me.

01:00:27.000 I was like, how are these motherfuckers hanging out with this guy? 0.98

01:00:30.000 Every now and then, like, that's the danger that you run if you ever decide to have a party.

01:00:35.000 You know, like one buddy will bring this one dude that's like completely insane.

01:00:39.000 And you're like, how do you not know this guy's insane?

01:00:41.000 You know, like, there's certain people that will like hang out with one person who's completely off the charts crazy.

01:00:47.000 And they just accept it probably because they grew up with him or something.

01:00:50.000 Right.

01:00:50.000 If you're having a party, that motherfucker come over crashing.

01:00:50.000 Yeah.

01:00:53.000 And that's what that guy was.

01:00:54.000 But that guy also, besides being a complete fucking nut and a psychopath and a child molester, he also was like really fascinated by the idea of Santa Claus being the Amanita muscaria mushroom and the whole history of that mushroom.

01:01:07.000 But people don't know.

01:01:08.000 Santa Claus is red and white.

01:01:09.000 The Amanita muscaria mushroom is red and white.

01:01:11.000 Santa Claus lives in Siberia in the North Pole.

01:01:13.000 The Amanita muscaria mushroom that is used by the shaman.

01:01:16.000 The reindeer's favorite food is the Amanita muscaria mushroom.

01:01:20.000 Yeah, reindeer are caribou.

01:01:21.000 That's what a caribou is.

01:01:22.000 And caribou is, that's what they love to eat.

01:01:24.000 And they literally will eat your piss.

01:01:26.000 If you step outside of a shaman lodge when you're fucking doing these mushrooms and you piss in the snow, they will knock you over to eat your piss. 0.82

01:01:32.000 For those, you know, what I should mention, for those interested, they can go on my Gnostic Media website, and that's G-N-O-S-T-I-C-Media.com and click on the link up at the top for the Pharmacratic Inquisition DVD.

01:01:44.000 They can watch my whole DVD right there on the website.

01:01:46.000 You've got to take some Adderall before you do this.

01:01:48.000 I'm warning you right now.

01:01:50.000 But it's got all the history of Santa Claus and Christmas and comparison in there, so people can check that out.

01:01:56.000 But I say take some Adderall.

01:01:58.000 There's so much information.

01:01:59.000 It's so much information.

01:02:00.000 But they call it Adderall.

01:02:01.000 No, Adderall is one of those ADD drugs that makes you retain everything.

01:02:01.000 I don't know.

01:02:04.000 Oh, really?

01:02:05.000 Adderall supposedly is the best if you ever want to work.

01:02:08.000 Makes you focus.

01:02:09.000 It's like cocaine.

01:02:10.000 Yeah.

01:02:10.000 My friend, rest his soul, Robert Schimmel, he told me once that someone else, like in his family or something, was on the Adderall, and he accidentally took it, thought it was something else, and freaked out.

01:02:21.000 Accidentally.

01:02:22.000 Completely because he had had a heart attack before.

01:02:22.000 No, he did.

01:02:25.000 And he had some serious problems, some health issues.

01:02:28.000 He had cancer.

01:02:28.000 I'm sorry.

01:02:29.000 He had cancer.

01:02:29.000 He didn't have a heart attack.

01:02:31.000 So he wouldn't be fucking with something as crazy as Adderall if he didn't know what it was.

01:02:35.000 But he said he accidentally took it.

01:02:37.000 He called his doctor.

01:02:38.000 Doctor said, don't worry about it.

01:02:39.000 You're going to be fine.

01:02:40.000 You'll just be under the effects of it for the next 10 hours or so, whatever the fuck it is.

01:02:45.000 And he said he went on a cleaning rampage.

01:02:47.000 He said he cleaned everything, organized all of his notes, got all of his material together.

01:02:52.000 He said, I've never been more focused in my life.

01:02:54.000 Yeah, it's for like attention deficit disorder and stuff like that.

01:02:57.000 So that's, I'm recommending Adderall because sugar and corn syrup and red food coloring and shit.

01:03:02.000 Well, I'm sure it's caused by a lot of things, but you know, nutritional deficiencies are responsible for a horde of diseases.

01:03:09.000 And so many of us just don't eat, you know, we don't take in vitamins.

01:03:12.000 We don't eat vegetables.

01:03:14.000 People have been asking me about this because I talked about it on the podcast about this Vitamix blender fucking thing that I got.

01:03:19.000 I don't know the name of it because I'm just sitting right here.

01:03:22.000 I forgot.

01:03:23.000 But what it is is a blender for it takes these fruits and vegetables and just mashes them down like almost like they're pre-digested.

01:03:30.000 And that's the idea behind it.

01:03:31.000 That instead of juice, whereas you're taking juice, you're squeezing all the liquids out of it and you get a lot of minerals and nutrients and everything like that.

01:03:38.000 But you don't get as much as when you chop it up and blend it.

01:03:41.000 So you chop it up and blend it.

01:03:42.000 Kevin James has been on this for the last year or so.

01:03:44.000 And he's lost like, I told you, like 80-something pounds.

01:03:47.000 I mean, he looks fucking fantastic.

01:03:48.000 And he swears by this shit.

01:03:50.000 So what I've been eating is just kale, cucumbers, pears, and raw, what's our stuff?

01:03:57.000 Ginger. 0.87

01:03:58.000 And I throw it all together in that thing.

01:04:00.000 And it doesn't taste that good.

01:04:02.000 But God has.

01:04:02.000 You ever heard of Sally Fallon's book, Nourishing Traditions?

01:04:06.000 No, no.

01:04:07.000 That's a really good one, too.

01:04:08.000 She argues that the whole saturated animal fat scare is a complete myth, and she's got a lot of documentation to back it up.

01:04:17.000 A lot of people think that animal fat is actually very good for you.

01:04:19.000 Well, she proves that there was a good scandal with the oil companies to cover up that animal fats are the oil companies because they were selling these new, newly invented vegetable oils, which weren't around except for olive oil and maybe hemp oil.

01:04:36.000 You didn't have vegetable oils on the market before the 1920s.

01:04:39.000 And she even shows that you can parallel the explosion of heart disease and cancer in the United States exactly with the use of vegetable oils.

01:04:51.000 What?

01:04:52.000 Yep.

01:04:52.000 I'm kidding.

01:04:53.000 That's fucking crazy.

01:04:54.000 And she's got this really good video that you can get it off of Amazon called The Oiling of America.

01:04:59.000 You know, It's a really slow-going video, and she's showing all the documentation on the screen, but it'll blow your mind.

01:05:04.000 My friend Steve Maxwell is this master fitness guy, trainer guy.

01:05:08.000 He's just an incredible dude, but he knows everything about health and nutrition and exercises.

01:05:14.000 And he said that lack of animal fat is the reason why some people can get skin cancer.

01:05:20.000 Well, your body can't, like, you, like, like a certain amount of cholesterol, certain amount of like fat.

01:05:26.000 You need this combination of things in your body.

01:05:29.000 Basically, what causes the heart attacks and the heart disease and all of that shit is vegetable oils and carbohydrates, especially processed carbos.

01:05:39.000 You know, if you get rid of those things out of your diet, heart disease, obesity, all that shit starts to clear up.

01:05:44.000 You know, certainly eat your vegetables and things, but she says that what a lot of people do is they'll go out and they'll eat a salad and then they'll pour salad dressing all over it, which is these processed vegetable oils instead of olive oil or butter is basically all you want to use on a salad.

01:05:59.000 Any of these other newfangled oils don't eat that shit at all.

01:06:04.000 So it just, what happens when you eat it?

01:06:06.000 Your body just has a hard time processing it.

01:06:07.000 Yeah, your body.

01:06:08.000 That's all this trans fat scare. 0.99

01:06:10.000 And what they also do is, you know, they're allowed to actually put a half a gram or anything less than a gram of trans fat on any packages today is still labeled as zero trans fats, even though it's blood in it.

01:06:21.000 Yep.

01:06:22.000 Well, dude, do you ever have salad farts?

01:06:23.000 Salad farts are the most uncomfortable farts ever.

01:06:26.000 No, not vegetable farts, salad farts, because that goddamn salad dressing, along with all that.

01:06:30.000 Yeah, I usually only use hemp oil or olive oil and bisomic vinegar on my salads.

01:06:35.000 You put hemp oil on your salad?

01:06:37.000 No, bro.

01:06:38.000 It's all credibility.

01:06:40.000 Sometimes you just got to stop with the hemp oil.

01:06:42.000 Put some fucking strawberries on there and come up with it. 0.99

01:06:43.000 It's actually pretty delicious.

01:06:45.000 It's very nutty.

01:06:46.000 It tastes like very similar to olive oil.

01:06:48.000 True story.

01:06:49.000 Do you ever jerk off with hemp oil?

01:06:50.000 No.

01:06:51.000 No.

01:06:51.000 No?

01:06:52.000 I would figure, fuck it, man.

01:06:54.000 Why not try it?

01:06:55.000 Maybe jerk off with that stuff that actually gets you high.

01:06:57.000 That shit that they sell at the little droppers, that they sell at the medical marine marketplaces.

01:07:02.000 Imagine that.

01:07:03.000 Jerk off to that.

01:07:04.000 Because it's got to get in your skin.

01:07:05.000 That's very thin skin.

01:07:06.000 Your dick would be stoned as fuck.

01:07:08.000 Oh, that's funny.

01:07:09.000 It'd be probably pretty good.

01:07:11.000 Dick wants to eat some pussy. 1.00

01:07:12.000 Well, don't people put like cocaine on girls' clits and stuff like that? 1.00

01:07:15.000 Oh, yeah.

01:07:15.000 Joey Diaz talk about that.

01:07:16.000 Don't you put it on your dick?

01:07:17.000 You got to bump off that girl's pussy. 1.00

01:07:19.000 Didn't Joey talk about that?

01:07:20.000 I forgot all about that.

01:07:21.000 At that hotel in the elevator, I get in the elevator.

01:07:23.000 You got to do that every day.

01:07:25.000 Doing cocaine in the elevator.

01:07:27.000 This girl just had her little mirror out. 1.00

01:07:28.000 Just fucking I'm like, they didn't even care.

01:07:30.000 I walked in the elevator.

01:07:31.000 Hi, Vegas.

01:07:34.000 What happens in Vegas?

01:07:35.000 Stays in Vegas.

01:07:35.000 You fucking shit in the elevator.

01:07:37.000 Look at you.

01:07:38.000 You're ratting that girl out.

01:07:39.000 Fuck that girl. 1.00

01:07:40.000 Now there's going to be cops.

01:07:41.000 They're going to invade that place.

01:07:42.000 Good.

01:07:43.000 They're going to look for people fucking and cocaine.

01:07:45.000 You're going to ruin the whole party, Brian.

01:07:46.000 Good.

01:07:47.000 Good because you didn't stay at the four seasons?

01:07:47.000 Why?

01:07:49.000 No, you fucked up.

01:07:50.000 Good because you should not pay.

01:07:52.000 If I wanted to sleep at that hotel, impossible.

01:07:54.000 You should not sell that as a hotel.

01:07:56.000 You should sell that as a hourly.

01:07:58.000 You sound like some delusional bitch that goes to the house. 1.00

01:08:00.000 I wish you could see it.

01:08:01.000 You sound like a delusional bitch that goes to a massage parlour where they give out hand jobs, and you didn't know it was a massage parlour where they give out hand jobs, and you leave and you call the cops. 1.00

01:08:01.000 Listen to me. 1.00

01:08:10.000 You're like, what the fuck?

01:08:11.000 I just want a regular massage.

01:08:12.000 I paid for regular massage.

01:08:14.000 Where's my regular massage?

01:08:16.000 She massages me for just like five minutes, then she starts jerking me off. 1.00

01:08:20.000 I mean, do you think every hotel would be like that?

01:08:22.000 No, but it's not every hotel, bro.

01:08:24.000 It's the fuck hotel.

01:08:25.000 Everybody else knew it's the fuck hotel.

01:08:26.000 Well, you know now, just like when you go to your hand.

01:08:30.000 I'm just saying if you were on Yelp and you typed in hotel, that thing has like three and a half stars and go, hey, that looks like a nice hotel.

01:08:36.000 Three and a half stars from people who worked there.

01:08:38.000 Exactly.

01:08:40.000 You didn't know it was planted.

01:08:41.000 I didn't know it was a fucking sex hotel.

01:08:43.000 Well, now you know.

01:08:44.000 I know now.

01:08:45.000 Well, don't complain.

01:08:47.000 You made my money back when you go somewhere else.

01:08:49.000 No, no, no, bitch. 1.00

01:08:50.000 No, you had to learn.

01:08:51.000 You had to pay to learn.

01:08:52.000 And now that you know, if you're looking for that, if you're ever looking for a hotel to do ecstasy in Viagra and just start fucking a bunch of random strangers, now you know the spot.

01:09:00.000 You know the spot where people are getting their freak on.

01:09:02.000 Just like if you go to a massage parlor and they rub your feet and then start sucking your dick, you know that's a different kind of massage parlor.

01:09:09.000 All right.

01:09:10.000 Don't be hating, Brian.

01:09:11.000 Fuck that hotel.

01:09:12.000 Don't give out the name either.

01:09:14.000 If the people at Yelp are listening, please give me my Yelp elite status back.

01:09:18.000 Don't give writers.

01:09:19.000 He's bitching. 1.00

01:09:19.000 Listen to him. 1.00

01:09:20.000 Don't give me a consistent.

01:09:21.000 I would say he's my friend, and I'd say, ignore his requests.

01:09:25.000 Fuck you, dude.

01:09:26.000 It's ridiculous.

01:09:27.000 He's hating, right?

01:09:28.000 Don't you think he's hating?

01:09:28.000 Oh, yeah.

01:09:29.000 It's total party popping up.

01:09:30.000 I would love to have seen Peter McWilliams for Todd McCormick McPherson.

01:09:33.000 Yeah, you will love to see Joe turn around and go to another hotel.

01:09:36.000 Yeah, because you can't.

01:09:37.000 Well, you can too, man.

01:09:38.000 You just got to be willing to bite the bullet.

01:09:41.000 Chomp down. 0.74

01:09:43.000 Yeah.

01:09:44.000 Fuck that hotel in the ass.

01:09:46.000 In the ass?

01:09:47.000 How rude, dude.

01:09:48.000 That's all I have to say to you.

01:09:49.000 How rude.

01:09:50.000 He shouldn't call it a hotel.

01:09:50.000 That's all I'm saying.

01:09:51.000 Another guy we hung out with this weekend was George Sukalos.

01:09:54.000 Sukalos? 0.99

01:09:55.000 Sukalos. 1.00

01:09:56.000 Giorgio Sucalos, the guy from Ancient Aliens.

01:09:59.000 What a fascinating cat.

01:10:00.000 That dude is awesome.

01:10:01.000 He is great.

01:10:02.000 We had a great fucking time.

01:10:03.000 He was way cooler than I could have imagined.

01:10:06.000 Both him and Anthony Bourdain.

01:10:07.000 Way cooler than I could have imagined.

01:10:09.000 Giorgio came backstage with us.

01:10:11.000 I don't want to say he smokes some weed, but he smokes some weed.

01:10:16.000 We had a great fucking time.

01:10:18.000 We hung out.

01:10:19.000 Me and that dude, like right away, clicked instantly.

01:10:21.000 You know, he makes some fantastical claims on that show, but when you talk to him in real life, he ain't married to anything.

01:10:29.000 He's not married to any thought.

01:10:30.000 You know, we discussed aliens.

01:10:32.000 We discussed possibilities.

01:10:34.000 He's like, it's just a possibility.

01:10:36.000 And there's another possibility.

01:10:37.000 And he's not married to any of them.

01:10:38.000 And he's super cool and a really nice guy.

01:10:41.000 He comes off.

01:10:42.000 I liked him on the show.

01:10:43.000 I liked that wacky.

01:10:43.000 I would be like, this wacky motherfucker.

01:10:45.000 He's like saying all kinds of crazy shit.

01:10:46.000 But sometimes he would annoy me.

01:10:48.000 I'm going to be honest.

01:10:49.000 Like he said, maybe Atlantis was a spaceship and took off.

01:10:53.000 Maybe my dick is a helicopter and I'll fly to Mars.

01:10:55.000 Like, what the fuck are you talking about?

01:10:56.000 Maybe Santa Claus is a mushroom.

01:10:58.000 Yeah, it's a trip.

01:10:58.000 Well, that's arguing arbitrary.

01:10:59.000 But you don't have any evidence for it.

01:11:01.000 You just completely dismiss it.

01:11:02.000 It's nonsense.

01:11:03.000 But it's a show.

01:11:04.000 That's what he's doing.

01:11:04.000 He's doing a TV show.

01:11:05.000 And when you're doing a TV show, look, I can tell you right off the bat, there's some shit that you say that kind of move the show along.

01:11:12.000 And there's some shit that you say, maybe, maybe.

01:11:13.000 What if?

01:11:14.000 Maybe you want to hear something crazy?

01:11:15.000 I'll give you some crazy shit.

01:11:16.000 You want a sound bite?

01:11:17.000 I'll give you a sound bite.

01:11:18.000 Maybe.

01:11:19.000 And, you know, you might not even believe that maybe, but you say it anyway.

01:11:22.000 But in real life, talking to him in real life, he's cool as fuck.

01:11:25.000 Great hair, too.

01:11:26.000 His fucking hair is all crazy.

01:11:27.000 It's like some crazy peacock thing going on.

01:11:30.000 He fucking owns it, dude.

01:11:31.000 He owns it.

01:11:32.000 He loves it.

01:11:32.000 He has crazy beads on and shit.

01:11:35.000 Yeah, I dig him.

01:11:36.000 Very nice jeans, too.

01:11:37.000 Yeah, I dig him.

01:11:37.000 He's going to be on the show July 27th.

01:11:40.000 This weekend is going to be me and Mad Flavor, aka Joe Diaz, at the Irvine Improv.

01:11:47.000 That is Friday, Saturday, and Sunday, you dirty, dirty Orange County bitches. 1.00

01:11:53.000 And this is going to be, it's almost sold out on Friday and Saturday already.

01:11:57.000 And then Sunday is the 10th is the last day we're doing it.

01:12:02.000 So it should be a lot of fun.

01:12:04.000 That's an awesome club.

01:12:05.000 Irvine is a place.

01:12:06.000 It's a great place to do stand-up.

01:12:07.000 I love that little area.

01:12:09.000 I've never seen you down there before.

01:12:10.000 Yeah, that area is nice.

01:12:11.000 It's like a nice little oasis of cool shit to do.

01:12:13.000 Isn't there like a Ferris wheel?

01:12:14.000 Is that the one with a Ferris wheel?

01:12:15.000 I don't think it is a Ferris wheel.

01:12:17.000 There's one with a Ferris wheel.

01:12:18.000 Yeah, there's a Ferris wheel there, yeah.

01:12:19.000 There is?

01:12:20.000 An Irvine?

01:12:20.000 Yeah, and then there was even a Place Hell Back to Smoke Out.

01:12:23.000 Yeah.

01:12:23.000 Yeah, well, it's right, right?

01:12:24.000 You gotta have that.

01:12:25.000 If you're gonna have a goddamn comedy show.

01:12:28.000 Yeah.

01:12:28.000 I got a little nervous that Anthony Bourdain was in the audience and I was worried if I was too high.

01:12:32.000 I was like, how many hits did I have?

01:12:33.000 I had three hits.

01:12:34.000 Shit, I'm skiing right now.

01:12:36.000 Because when you have three hits, you gotta, as long as I know that I've gone over my material and I know that I've been performing a lot and I know that I'm in the groove, I can just go out there and ski.

01:12:45.000 And by skiing means, you ever watch those videos where a dude gets dropped on top of a mountain on a helicopter?

01:12:51.000 And then he's going down that mountain and it's some uncharted territory.

01:12:57.000 And you know, this guy fucking hits a rock the wrong way.

01:13:00.000 He is done.

01:13:01.000 Right.

01:13:01.000 This guy's done.

01:13:02.000 Or the avalanche coming in right behind him.

01:13:04.000 Yeah, the avalanche behind him.

01:13:05.000 And you know, there's no way he can stop.

01:13:07.000 He cannot control this.

01:13:08.000 He's going way too fast.

01:13:09.000 That's how you feel when you get three hits in.

01:13:11.000 You got to know what the fuck you're doing.

01:13:13.000 When you go on stage that high, you got to be prepared.

01:13:15.000 But fortunately, I was.

01:13:17.000 Fortunately, I was completely comfortable and in the groove.

01:13:20.000 These comedy shows have gotten 80% better in the last year and a half.

01:13:25.000 And it's because of the podcast.

01:13:27.000 It's 100% because of the podcast.

01:13:29.000 I asked people on stage, how many guys listened to the podcast?

01:13:31.000 The place went fucking crazy.

01:13:33.000 It was all of them.

01:13:33.000 It was all 1,500 people that were there.

01:13:36.000 It's nuts, man.

01:13:37.000 They're all polite and friendly.

01:13:40.000 It used to be like you have to battle just to get ground on stage.

01:13:43.000 And now when Joey and Ari and Doug Benson went on stage, all three of them got huge rounds of applause.

01:13:49.000 Like everybody was psyched to see Ari.

01:13:51.000 They were psyched to see Joey.

01:13:52.000 They were psyched to see Doug.

01:13:54.000 It's just an amazing thing now.

01:13:56.000 It's so different.

01:13:58.000 Even in Vienna, too.

01:13:59.000 That place is so huge.

01:14:00.000 That's where the Lion King is.

01:14:01.000 Like, usually this huge fucking show is usually there now.

01:14:05.000 Yeah.

01:14:06.000 We packed it just talking.

01:14:08.000 It's ridiculous.

01:14:09.000 Comedy is a strange thing, but it's still my favorite thing to watch, man.

01:14:13.000 I thought about staying an extra day.

01:14:15.000 I was going to stay till Sunday.

01:14:16.000 So fucking shit.

01:14:17.000 Because Bill Burr and Jim Norton and Jim Brewer and David Tell are all doing a show together at the Palm.

01:14:25.000 And for a minute, I was thinking, why don't I fly out Mrs. Rogan for the day and we'll go to see a comedy show.

01:14:30.000 Maybe she would be into that. 0.59

01:14:31.000 And I'm like, let me get the fuck home.

01:14:34.000 I changed my mind.

01:14:35.000 But I do love stand-up so much that I almost stayed an extra day to watch this show.

01:14:39.000 Because I went out to dinner Saturday night with Jim Norton and Bill Burr and my friend Justin from the Action Report and Russell Peters were there too.

01:14:46.000 And so we're all sitting around and Kenny, you know, club soda, Kenny.

01:14:49.000 We're all sitting around shooting the shit.

01:14:51.000 And they were telling me about Jim Brewer's new bit.

01:14:54.000 And Jim Brewer apparently has some closer that is just insane.

01:14:57.000 So I read about him, his dad taking a shit.

01:14:59.000 And they were all talking about how this thing builds up.

01:15:02.000 I guess his dad's shit in the car.

01:15:03.000 His dad's like an older guy.

01:15:05.000 And apparently it's the funniest fucking bit of all time.

01:15:08.000 And I was like, you're doing comedy now, right, Brian?

01:15:10.000 Yeah.

01:15:11.000 If you can call it that.

01:15:12.000 Thanks.

01:15:16.000 No, he's doing well.

01:15:17.000 He did well in front of large audiences.

01:15:19.000 Ice House Thursday.

01:15:20.000 Brian went on in front of, I mean, one of the first times I ever got him to do comedy, all right?

01:15:26.000 You know, this took mad balls.

01:15:28.000 This was way before the podcast.

01:15:30.000 The audience was all meatheads. 1.00

01:15:32.000 It was a UFC audience in Atlanta, and it was a midnight show.

01:15:36.000 So it was a midnight fucking show.

01:15:38.000 And Brian goes on in the middle of the fucking show and kills you.

01:15:42.000 And you pulled yourself out of the fire because you started bombing.

01:15:45.000 And then you pulled yourself out of the fire.

01:15:47.000 And then at the end, you ended like really strong.

01:15:49.000 And that was the first time he did comedy in like years and years.

01:15:52.000 Five or six years.

01:15:53.000 Really?

01:15:54.000 Yeah, but then I've thrown him up a bunch of times.

01:15:56.000 And I've thrown him up in Austin, Texas in front of sold-out crowds.

01:15:59.000 And, you know, it's interesting.

01:16:01.000 Like, your introduction to comedy is 1,000% different than the average person's introduction.

01:16:06.000 Cheat codes.

01:16:07.000 It's up, down, down, down.

01:16:08.000 You cheated on two ways.

01:16:09.000 One, because everybody knows who you are before you even go on stage because they know you from the podcast now.

01:16:14.000 And they know you from all the videos that you've made.

01:16:16.000 If you ever watched the Carlos Mencia video, that was Brian's work.

01:16:19.000 There's all these videos called Death Squad videos.

01:16:22.000 They're all Brian's work.

01:16:23.000 So they already know who you are, and you're an open micer, basically.

01:16:26.000 You're just starting out, and yet they still know who you are, and they're all clapping and cheering to watch you practice out your new jokes.

01:16:32.000 Yeah, it kind of sucks because there's a little bit more pressure because now people know who I am, and now I'm getting thrown up in front of sold-out shows.

01:16:38.000 I actually have to act somewhat like I fit in.

01:16:42.000 You're doing fine.

01:16:43.000 You just do it.

01:16:44.000 Just relax.

01:16:46.000 Smoke some weed before you go on stage.

01:16:47.000 No, that's a bad idea, I found.

01:16:48.000 Brian has to.

01:16:51.000 You could go, and I'm not dissing you in any way.

01:16:53.000 I'm just being honest.

01:16:54.000 You could go and work with a coach who would help you learn how to speak clear.

01:16:59.000 I figured it out.

01:17:00.000 It's 100% marijuana.

01:17:02.000 It does not work for me.

01:17:03.000 When I get stoned, my brain goes in.

01:17:07.000 I'm thinking a thousand things at once.

01:17:09.000 I'm almost trying to figure out the thread of the tomb or whatever.

01:17:12.000 So am I. You just need to learn how to manage it with your mouth.

01:17:15.000 Yeah, but when I'm on stage, my memory's everywhere.

01:17:19.000 I'm still nervous.

01:17:21.000 You just got to do it more.

01:17:22.000 Exactly.

01:17:22.000 Go do it 20 or 30 times and get over that, and then it'll kick in.

01:17:27.000 But I just found that, you know, I'd rather not.

01:17:29.000 I'd rather just go out with like a drink in me, and I'm good.

01:17:32.000 No, no, no.

01:17:34.000 What about six years ago and I checked it out?

01:17:36.000 I try to get everybody to do it.

01:17:36.000 Yeah, he chickened it out.

01:17:38.000 I think someone's smart.

01:17:39.000 I'm like, look, if you're smart, you can figure out comedy.

01:17:42.000 You know, if you're smart, you're nice and you make your friends laugh, you can figure out comedy.

01:17:45.000 It ain't easy, but goddamn, if you could do it, it's the greatest job in the history of the world.

01:17:50.000 I'm constantly trying to recruit people to try stand-up comedy.

01:17:52.000 I ran into some fucking 17-year-old kid in Vegas.

01:17:54.000 I talked to him for 20 minutes because him and his friend were thinking about doing stand-up comedy and they were asking me for advice.

01:17:59.000 And I just, I said, all right, I'm not doing anything.

01:18:01.000 I'll tell you everything I know.

01:18:02.000 This is what you got to do.

01:18:03.000 You got to write like fucking crazy.

01:18:04.000 You got to go up every time you can.

01:18:06.000 You got to listen to your own shit.

01:18:07.000 Go back and listen to your recordings.

01:18:08.000 Be honest.

01:18:09.000 If a bit is bombing, try it differently.

01:18:11.000 And eventually you're going to have to give up on that bitch and move on, constantly keep writing. 1.00

01:18:15.000 Like, we went on this long thing.

01:18:16.000 I go, put yourself in positions where you know some weird shit might go down.

01:18:20.000 That's a good way to write material.

01:18:21.000 Like, you got to think that way.

01:18:22.000 You got to be a professional party animal.

01:18:24.000 You know, for real, like the greatest comics ever, the Richard Pryors and Sam Kinnisons, they were out there getting shit done.

01:18:29.000 All right.

01:18:30.000 It wasn't just going on stage and talking.

01:18:31.000 They were living a crazy life, too.

01:18:33.000 That's part of the program.

01:18:35.000 It doesn't mean abusive.

01:18:36.000 It doesn't mean what they did.

01:18:37.000 But it means, you know, try shit out.

01:18:39.000 Go fucking the 15 at 200 miles an hour and getting a head on. 1.00

01:18:42.000 Yeah, I mean, that's why I moved to Colorado.

01:18:44.000 It's one of the reasons besides wanting to get away.

01:18:45.000 I knew that I was going to get some material out of that.

01:18:47.000 Like, you got to do things like that.

01:18:49.000 So I'm a fucking huge supporter of stand-up comedy.

01:18:52.000 I try to get everybody to do it.

01:18:53.000 I try to get Tate to do it.

01:18:55.000 I got you to do it.

01:18:56.000 Well, you'd already done it before.

01:18:57.000 But I got, you know, I've gotten a couple of people to do it.

01:18:59.000 I got Eddie Bravo to do it.

01:19:01.000 It's just nobody sticks with it.

01:19:03.000 Well, the big thing is, is that it's definitely, I think, something you have to start when you're younger, and you have to make that your career.

01:19:09.000 And I think all these people that you had try it, yeah, they had their own thing going.

01:19:12.000 They were doing it as for fun on the side, kind of like what I do, but they don't want that as a job because that's really risky to do.

01:19:20.000 When you first asked us to do it, we were all young, you know?

01:19:23.000 Yeah, back in the day.

01:19:24.000 We're old as fuck now.

01:19:26.000 Riders on the storm.

01:19:29.000 Have you ever driven home from Vegas and seen that abandoned water slide amusement park on the side of the road?

01:19:35.000 Oh, what the hell was that?

01:19:37.000 Lake Dolores.

01:19:37.000 It's creepy.

01:19:38.000 That's what it was.

01:19:39.000 So we were going to break into it and just walk around with some cameras and stuff on the way home, but the traffic was so bad so we decided not to.

01:19:47.000 So there's this Wikipedia page all about it, and it's so amazing the history of that amusement park.

01:19:54.000 Like in the 50s and 60s, this businessman bought it and he just put this water slide amusement park in the middle of the Mahadevi Desert, I think it is, or something like that.

01:20:01.000 In the middle of the desert, and there's this huge water park, and it's 50s themed.

01:20:04.000 So it was like very, like, 50s music and 60s music and stuff like that.

01:20:08.000 And it just, you know, it was millions of dollars in the debt.

01:20:12.000 Dude, I remember in like the late 70s and 80s, all the time on TV, you would see Lake Dolores commercials and stuff.

01:20:17.000 But, you know, they would say it's on I-15, but they didn't tell you it's three fucking hours from here.

01:20:22.000 Yeah, yeah.

01:20:23.000 And so like, so people re-bought it and renamed it things.

01:20:27.000 Every 10 years, it would close and then be closed for like five years, and somebody else would rebuy and try it for a year and then go bankrupt.

01:20:33.000 And now somebody else has just bought it again and is trying it again.

01:20:37.000 And they have like this whole YouTube page and website all about them like restoring it and stuff like that.

01:20:42.000 It is the dumbest idea ever.

01:20:44.000 Like people are fucking retarded. 1.00

01:20:46.000 Like who is going to go through the middle of a desert to go to the bottom?

01:20:51.000 People are, you know, see, well, I guess for them, like, they're planning on that business when you have the occasional car accident that shuts down the whole fucking thing.

01:20:59.000 Right.

01:21:00.000 That's kind of the watermark.

01:21:01.000 Maybe they'll start car accidents of their own.

01:21:03.000 They'll lay down some fucking nail strips. 1.00

01:21:05.000 Oh, man.

01:21:06.000 We've been out there on Memorial Day weekend out in Vegas, and it was like 12, 14 hours getting across that four-hour stretch of freeway, man.

01:21:15.000 It sucked, man.

01:21:16.000 12, 14 hours, really?

01:21:17.000 Was it that bad?

01:21:18.000 It was 5, 10 miles an hour most of the way.

01:21:20.000 Imagine if you had a clutch.

01:21:22.000 Oh, God.

01:21:23.000 Oh, God.

01:21:23.000 Yeah, it took me six hours yesterday.

01:21:25.000 Driving a standard in your kind of traffic will drive you fucking insane.

01:21:31.000 Yeah.

01:21:32.000 Six hours.

01:21:33.000 Don't fucking drive.

01:21:34.000 How come they never expanded that?

01:21:36.000 So you went back?

01:21:37.000 You got caught going back?

01:21:38.000 I didn't think about it.

01:21:38.000 I got going back.

01:21:39.000 Because going there, you went easy, right?

01:21:41.000 Easy.

01:21:41.000 Three hours and 15 minutes.

01:21:43.000 Fucking amazing.

01:21:44.000 Super fast.

01:21:45.000 Way back, we stayed an extra day so I could do a set at the Naughty show.

01:21:50.000 And then I didn't think about it.

01:21:51.000 I was like, wait, everyone has Monday off.

01:21:54.000 So they're probably going to, they probably have to work Tuesday.

01:21:57.000 So everybody's going to be driving back Monday.

01:21:59.000 So I picked the worst day to ever drive back from Vegas.

01:22:02.000 If it was only six hours, you got off flight.

01:22:04.000 Yeah, absolutely.

01:22:06.000 And that's leaving 9 a.m. too.

01:22:08.000 I mean, I left fucking early.

01:22:10.000 Wow.

01:22:10.000 9 a.m. six hours.

01:22:11.000 Yeah, you got to go like four in the morning.

01:22:13.000 You got to just stay up.

01:22:13.000 Yeah.

01:22:14.000 You just got to take those five-hour energy drinks.

01:22:16.000 Jenna Hayes did that too. 0.89

01:22:18.000 Like that.

01:22:19.000 Just slightly less than what you get with a stroke.

01:22:22.000 Just less than a strokes dose.

01:22:24.000 And then just ride that bitch. 1.00

01:22:26.000 Just right when you start twitching.

01:22:28.000 Raid all alone.

01:22:30.000 That's what, all night.

01:22:31.000 Foot to the fucking floor.

01:22:33.000 Looking out for coyotes.

01:22:35.000 Both human and otherwise.

01:22:37.000 Right?

01:22:38.000 That's a creepy fucking stretch of road, man.

01:22:40.000 That's a boulevard of broken.

01:22:41.000 Yeah, you know, they were supposed to put a bullet train out there like 10 years ago.

01:22:44.000 I think it's never fucking did.

01:22:45.000 I think they're still doing it.

01:22:47.000 Isn't it from Santa Monica to Vegas or something like that?

01:22:49.000 They have to come up long dollars to make that happen.

01:22:52.000 Well, yeah, and it's such a long stretch of the highway.

01:22:56.000 It's been, what, two lanes since the freaking 60s.

01:22:58.000 Yeah, it's ridiculous.

01:23:00.000 That road is ridiculous.

01:23:01.000 But you know what?

01:23:03.000 No one's going to do anything different because the airline industry doesn't want anybody driving.

01:23:07.000 The airline industry wants everybody flying as much as possible.

01:23:11.000 And then who's going to spend the money to walk?

01:23:14.000 Is Vegas going to spend the money?

01:23:15.000 You're talking about a lot of fucking money.

01:23:16.000 Probably.

01:23:17.000 Because nobody else is going to want to.

01:23:18.000 Like, why would we do that?

01:23:19.000 How about you figure it out in your own fuck face?

01:23:21.000 Well, now California has casinos as well.

01:23:23.000 So that's probably put a dampener on the whole book.

01:23:25.000 But they don't really have casinos.

01:23:26.000 I mean, they do and they don't.

01:23:28.000 They're not full casinos.

01:23:29.000 You can't do everything at the casinos.

01:23:31.000 You can't play slots and blackjack and poker.

01:23:33.000 You know what I mean?

01:23:34.000 It's like they have little restrictions.

01:23:35.000 Like this one, you can only do this.

01:23:37.000 You can only play cards.

01:23:38.000 It's a full casino.

01:23:39.000 Yeah.

01:23:40.000 You might know this.

01:23:41.000 A lot of people have been telling me this lately that the medical marijuana in Vegas, you can use your California license and they accept the California license in Vegas.

01:23:48.000 They do that in a couple different states.

01:23:50.000 Really?

01:23:51.000 Yeah.

01:23:51.000 They told me they do that in Denver as well.

01:23:53.000 I did not know that.

01:23:54.000 No, that's the first I heard.

01:23:56.000 Yeah, Todd would, Todd or Chris Conrad would be up on that.

01:23:59.000 I guess, yeah, you would have to, it would be different things state by state, you know.

01:24:04.000 But they, oh, they took it when we were in Vancouver.

01:24:06.000 Yeah.

01:24:07.000 When Vancouver, they accepted our California recommendations.

01:24:11.000 You need one in Vancouver?

01:24:12.000 Because last time I was up there, there was Blunt Brothers and stuff.

01:24:14.000 You could just British Columbia, you mean?

01:24:17.000 Yeah.

01:24:18.000 Not Vancouver, Washington.

01:24:19.000 No, yeah, you did.

01:24:21.000 There was pharmacies now.

01:24:23.000 They have dispensaries in Vancouver, B.C. Nice.

01:24:25.000 Yeah, they're setting it up just like California.

01:24:28.000 But California is at the, we're at the front.

01:24:30.000 Oh, yeah.

01:24:31.000 There's nowhere like this anywhere on the planet, I don't think.

01:24:33.000 Well, you know, and right now Amsterdam is shutting everything down, so I guess where all that business is going to start coming.

01:24:38.000 It's either going to be here, it's going to be Vancouver, B.C. What the fuck is Amsterdam thinking?

01:24:42.000 That is the dumbest shit ever.

01:24:43.000 You guys are known for weed, and you're going to close it.

01:24:46.000 And it's been legal for, what, 35 years or something, and now they're going to shut it down to only residents?

01:24:50.000 What the hell, you know?

01:24:51.000 Do you think it's just...

01:24:54.000 Too many people tripping and fucking.

01:24:56.000 I mean, there's the thing about it.

01:24:57.000 You get like 10, but see how many people do dumb shit on alcohol every night.

01:25:01.000 Alcohol is by far the worst drug out there in every study ever done.

01:25:06.000 But when you have Aunt Frank's house and there's people shrooming like Duncan, Duncan Frank. 0.99

01:25:10.000 There's one person or a couple of people that dove off a bridge and committed suicide on mushrooms in Amsterdam.

01:25:15.000 And it's like, you know, how many freaking people do that shit at night on alcohol in Holland alone?

01:25:22.000 Well, people are scared.

01:25:24.000 It's like, oh, my God, they would have done it anyway.

01:25:26.000 It's way easier to ban things than it is to make things legal.

01:25:31.000 And we make it very easy to write things off and decide that, you know, like there's people without any studies.

01:25:37.000 It's a bomb behavior.

01:25:38.000 Oh, my God.

01:25:39.000 There's people without any studies whatsoever that are trying to outlaw Salvia.

01:25:43.000 They're pulling it off in various states and making it illegal.

01:25:46.000 And there's no research behind any of this.

01:25:48.000 They're just pulling it off.

01:25:49.000 And all this stuff is scare tactics.

01:25:51.000 You know, it's like this kid did, you know, a couple years ago, there was this big scare back east.

01:25:56.000 This kid had done Salvia several months before, wrote in his diary that he could see how half the shit in his life was complete bullshit.

01:26:03.000 He was starting to see through the big fucking lie out there.

01:26:07.000 And then they said, you know, months later, they try to say, oh, well, he committed suicide because of Salvia.

01:26:13.000 Even though he was not on Salvia and he had done it months before, it's that he, you know, he certainly started seeing how a lot of what the media and government and things like that tell you is bullshit.

01:26:26.000 Until they come up with a suicide.

01:26:28.000 It's like saying, you know, LSD, you know, somebody waking up from LSD like Timothy Leary, and then years later they commit suicide.

01:26:35.000 Oh, it's because it was because of the LSD.

01:26:37.000 Okay, but you can clearly make some sort of a connection between some of those kids that got experimented on in Harvard like Ted Kaczynski and his erratic behavior afterwards.

01:26:46.000 Well, sure.

01:26:47.000 There is a connection between really.

01:26:49.000 Yeah, you know, I would love to know what they did to him.

01:26:51.000 I would really like to know what they did to Ted Kacinsky.

01:26:54.000 Well, people don't know the Unibomber, Ted Kaczynski, was a part of the Harvard LSD studies.

01:26:58.000 And he was professor of math up at Berkeley.

01:27:02.000 This was no dumb shit.

01:27:03.000 This was a top scholar.

01:27:04.000 Yeah, he just completely lost his marbles presumably during these LSD experiments.

01:27:10.000 Maybe they exposed something.

01:27:12.000 Maybe they broke something.

01:27:14.000 What's that documentary called about him?

01:27:16.000 That's a good question.

01:27:16.000 I don't remember.

01:27:17.000 Oh, shoot.

01:27:18.000 But I've seen it.

01:27:19.000 Yeah.

01:27:20.000 I forget.

01:27:21.000 Just look up.

01:27:22.000 Look up a Unibomber documentary.

01:27:24.000 I'm sure you'll find it.

01:27:26.000 But it's about something with the computer industry as well, I think.

01:27:30.000 Yes, yes.

01:27:31.000 Well, you know, it's really fascinating what he did.

01:27:35.000 No, it's a new one, When Your Brother is a Unabomber. 0.98

01:27:39.000 The Net.

01:27:40.000 That's it.

01:27:40.000 Exactly.

01:27:43.000 He saved up all his money after these studies and worked as a professor of mathematics at Berkeley.

01:27:49.000 And when he was working there, he was just studying and saving up his money and trying to figure out what the fuck he was going to do when he moved to the woods and how he was going to attack technology.

01:27:57.000 Yeah, you know, I would love to know who was in charge of the study that he was in.

01:28:02.000 Was it Dick Aliper?

01:28:03.000 Was it Tim Leary?

01:28:05.000 What he did was absolutely horrible.

01:28:07.000 You know, and what he did, for sure, that guy should go to jail for it.

01:28:09.000 For sure, he was absolutely insane.

01:28:11.000 For sure, he was homicidal.

01:28:12.000 But the thought behind what he was saying was that technology is eventually going to kill us.

01:28:18.000 Right.

01:28:18.000 Well, yeah.

01:28:19.000 We need to stop it.

01:28:20.000 Well, basically, what he was arguing was that they're using the technology to enslave everybody and to dumb us down and to control everything.

01:28:26.000 And he was trying to stop it because he started being the math professor at Berkeley started seeing how the whole system worked and he wanted to shut it down.

01:28:35.000 Right.

01:28:35.000 I mean, the way he did it was insane.

01:28:37.000 You know, yeah.

01:28:38.000 Yeah, he was a people, fucked people's lives up. 1.00

01:28:40.000 He went about it.

01:28:41.000 You know, he didn't use critical thinking properly in his analysis of his solution.

01:28:48.000 But there's something to what he's saying.

01:28:49.000 The idea that technology eventually is going to overtake us is absolutely, I mean, it's discussed in depth by thousands of scientists and futurists and the Ray Kurtz wheels and hates technology, says it's overtaking us.

01:29:03.000 He used to say that all the time.

01:29:05.000 Well, I think anybody grandfather's an older guy.

01:29:08.000 He grew up in a time where there was no phones and no nothing.

01:29:11.000 We put out a documentary last November called What You've Been Missing, Episode 1, The Noble Lie, which goes into this whole use of technology to dumb us down.

01:29:20.000 So anybody wants to check that out, look it up.

01:29:23.000 I think it's a silly argument.

01:29:25.000 I don't think it dumbs us down.

01:29:26.000 I think there are dumber people than ever.

01:29:28.000 It's because life has become easy for them.

01:29:30.000 It's easy to become dumb.

01:29:32.000 Check out how they're doing it.

01:29:34.000 They're using B.F. Skinner's ideas from the Skinner box and how they controlled animals and things like that.

01:29:41.000 There's a lot of Edward Bernay's.

01:29:43.000 What are you talking about?

01:29:44.000 Well, Skinner, the Skinner box, is a box that they would put pigeons and rats and things like that in and get them to do certain things for food or whatever on the stimuli.

01:29:44.000 What are you talking about?

01:29:54.000 And they've learned to apply that stuff directly to computer games and to purchasing in the grocery stores and things like that.

01:30:02.000 But it's an hour and a half long documentary.

01:30:07.000 Just what you've been missing episode one.

01:30:10.000 Check it out sometime.

01:30:11.000 What you've been missing episode one.

01:30:14.000 Right.

01:30:15.000 And they can go to the Gnostic Media website and click on the videos thing there, and it'll be right there.

01:30:21.000 Okay.

01:30:22.000 And what is the conclusion?

01:30:25.000 Well, that there are certain people using marketing and advertising and computer technology to specifically to mind control people and it's very, very simple to do.

01:30:36.000 Is it mind control?

01:30:38.000 Yeah, it's mind control at face value.

01:30:40.000 Once you see how it works, it's just real blatant.

01:30:43.000 Do you accept the argument, though, that marketing is mind control and that getting people observed?

01:30:46.000 Right, so see, the thing, how mind control works is, you know, I mentioned this trivium thing earlier.

01:30:51.000 By people not having the trivium, that's what enables marketing and public relations, the political system, the law system that we have today, that's What enables it to work.

01:31:01.000 That stuff wouldn't be able to function.

01:31:03.000 That's why it doesn't work on any intelligent person.

01:31:06.000 No intelligent person watches any nonsense propaganda on television and buys it immediately because you've accumulated a certain amount of information.

01:31:13.000 But if, like, you know, say if you go out and you study logical fallacies for 20 minutes and then you go study commercials, you'll see how every commercial is filled with logical fallacies.

01:31:23.000 So once you can identify those logical fallacies, you begin to see how they're using these lies against you everywhere, and then you just block them out.

01:31:32.000 What's the end game, though?

01:31:33.000 Enlightenment.

01:31:34.000 Well, the end game is just to learn your own gain, your own autonomy, your own adulthood, really.

01:31:42.000 It's to see through the crap and gain yourself back.

01:31:45.000 It is important, though, to enjoy life, right?

01:31:48.000 It is important to do this and to figure out how to enjoy life.

01:31:52.000 Don't you think?

01:31:54.000 See, here, let me put it to you this way.

01:31:56.000 In ancient Roman times, they considered those who had studied the seven liberal arts as free and those who didn't were slaves.

01:32:03.000 The slaves were not allowed to study the seven liberal arts, this trivium or quadrivium thing.

01:32:08.000 As soon as you got free of slavery, that was the first thing you did, was undertake a study of the seven liberal arts, right?

01:32:14.000 So let's say nobody in our society in the masses even has that education now.

01:32:20.000 So we would be considered in Roman times the slave class.

01:32:23.000 Okay, so when you, see, the word freedom, literally, which is what the word liberal is, is from the Latin word book, liber.

01:32:32.000 And so liber and library, liberty, these are words.

01:32:37.000 He goes Latin on me, bro. 0.98

01:32:38.000 Isn't this Vent Horizon?

01:32:42.000 This is where freedom comes from.

01:32:44.000 So when people learn this stuff, this is how they got free.

01:32:47.000 So, you know, it's the difference of knowing that you're a slave, getting free from the free.

01:32:52.000 I totally agree with you on this.

01:32:53.000 We're basically, this is a very complicated way of saying that our education system sucks and it could possibly be set up that way on purpose.

01:33:00.000 Don't dumb your audience down too much, bro.

01:33:02.000 It's not dumbing them down at all.

01:33:04.000 Just kind of filling in the voids here, trying to bring this show back to life.

01:33:08.000 The idea is that at one point in time, people were taught this stuff on a regular basis, and now our education system is no longer a people's education.

01:33:17.000 It's been completely removed from people's education.

01:33:19.000 Do you think that that really is on purpose?

01:33:20.000 Do you think that's a discussion?

01:33:21.000 Oh, yeah, there's evidence that it was done on purpose.

01:33:24.000 In fact, I just saw an article by this woman, Kelly, from Canada Free Press yesterday talking about the American freedom or the American Rebellion from England was originally centered around the trivium in classical education.

01:33:38.000 So when people are in school today, you know, when they come up with some sort of a lesson plan for the year, is there someone who's actually saying, hey, we don't want these people smarter?

01:33:38.000 Okay.

01:33:49.000 Let's dumb the shit down.

01:33:51.000 And where is that happening?

01:33:51.000 Yeah, and you can see that.

01:33:52.000 Where is that happening?

01:33:53.000 If people want evidence of that, they can study Charlotte Isserbeet's book.

01:33:56.000 Do you believe this, Brian?

01:33:57.000 No.

01:33:58.000 Well, I would suggest people study two people primarily, John Taylor Gatto, and he's written a very good book, The Underground History of American Education for people that read.

01:34:11.000 And also Charlotte Iserbeet's book, The Dumbing Down of America, which she also has a lot of primary documents in her book on the Rees Commission and how they did it.

01:34:19.000 Okay, let's say those two.

01:34:20.000 Check it out before you dismiss it.

01:34:20.000 So just two.

01:34:22.000 Let's say those two names.

01:34:23.000 One more time.

01:34:24.000 You're freaking people the fuck out.

01:34:26.000 People on Twitter right now are going to be saying this is the most name drops anyone has ever had on a podcast.

01:34:32.000 Please fucking write this shit somewhere.

01:34:33.000 I'm freaking out.

01:34:34.000 People are trying to get it.

01:34:35.000 John Taylor Gatto and Charlotte Izerby.

01:34:37.000 Okay, well these are the last people's books we're going to tell people to read because otherwise we're going to look like goddamn university studies.

01:34:42.000 Well just go on my website.

01:34:43.000 I've got a video up on Gatto right on my website.

01:34:45.000 They can look at it there.

01:34:47.000 They'll do that.

01:34:47.000 Okay.

01:34:48.000 Now, how long have you been into this, this studying of psychedelic chemicals and the relationship between these things and religions?

01:34:57.000 And you've been in this for a long ass time, but how did you ever get into it to the point where this is how you make a living?

01:35:04.000 Well, let's see, I've been in it at least 20, 22 years or so.

01:35:10.000 But originally I got in it working with Jack Herrer on the California Hemp Initiative, and he was the one who originally turned me on to John Allegro's book, The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

01:35:20.000 And I, you know.

01:35:22.000 What did you feel like when you first discovered this stuff?

01:35:24.000 Oh, I thought Jack was completely batshit crazy when he first told me about it.

01:35:28.000 The same when you met us, and you thought we were completely crazy.

01:35:31.000 I didn't think he was crazy.

01:35:32.000 I thought, first of all, I'd been exposed to a bunch of things that I never would have thought existed before by that time.

01:35:38.000 So I was already open to the possibility, like, who the fuck knows?

01:35:41.000 I'm pretty ignorant as to the way the universe really operates.

01:35:45.000 You know, just started reading about quantum physics.

01:35:47.000 You know what I mean?

01:35:48.000 Like, you start reading about things in superposition where a particle's moving and not moving and in one place and in another at the same time.

01:35:54.000 And like, what the fuck is real and what's not?

01:35:55.000 And what is the observer?

01:35:57.000 So when some guy tells you that he thinks that mushrooms, you know, probably shaped religion, that's not even crazy.

01:36:03.000 Where'd you meet Jack?

01:36:04.000 At a Grateful Dead concert or did you go to school with him?

01:36:07.000 Actually, my sister turned me on to his book when I was probably 18, and then I met him at a hemp rally.

01:36:13.000 And in December 2002, I went to his house and we instantly hit it off, and we were friends for 18 years, and I was one of the people that helped bury him in April last year.

01:36:22.000 Let me ask you this, because you, you know, on your show for sure, you preach to the converted, you know, you have a really a big following of people who, like me, are kind of pretty well versed in this subject matter and understand a lot about, you know, psychedelic drugs and, you know, the relationship they've had to humanity for thousands and thousands of years.

01:36:42.000 But what about the average person?

01:36:44.000 You run into some regular square dude.

01:36:47.000 So what do you do, Jan?

01:36:52.000 It looks like Jan to me.

01:36:54.000 Because it's the way he spells it.

01:36:56.000 It's Scandinavian, right?

01:36:58.000 Only English pronounces J as J, so it's more like you're yawning like, oh, you know.

01:37:02.000 Do you have Viking blood?

01:37:03.000 Like Johan or something like that.

01:37:05.000 Is there Viking blood in your past?

01:37:08.000 Primarily Danish, Welsh, and Scottish.

01:37:11.000 Any Viking in there?

01:37:13.000 Any of those?

01:37:14.000 Oh, possibly, who knows?

01:37:15.000 Who's a Viking? 0.80

01:37:16.000 What was it?

01:37:17.000 Norway?

01:37:17.000 Yeah.

01:37:18.000 The Norsemen.

01:37:19.000 The Norsemen, right?

01:37:20.000 Okay, so no Viking.

01:37:22.000 Eric.

01:37:25.000 Now, but what do squares do when you meet some regular dude like in your neck of the woods in your small town that you live in?

01:37:30.000 And he's like, so what do you write about there, John?

01:37:32.000 Well, you're like, well, I don't, you know, it's interesting.

01:37:35.000 I usually don't even talk about it in my neck of the woods.

01:37:37.000 I'm usually so busy with work and doing my show.

01:37:40.000 And, you know, it takes me two hours to answer all the emails.

01:37:43.000 And I hear from people all the time that see my work online.

01:37:46.000 And holy shit, I just saw your work and it completely blew me away.

01:37:48.000 But, you know, I very rarely have people that come to me and just say, oh, that's completely bad shit crazy.

01:37:55.000 How often do you communicate about what you do to someone who is completely uninitiated?

01:37:59.000 So what I'm trying to say is I've had some conversations before, and one of them I had on a plane with a doctor.

01:38:04.000 Right.

01:38:05.000 And he was a very intelligent guy.

01:38:07.000 And we sat down and he was just being real friendly and started off with like fear factor questions.

01:38:13.000 Well, for somebody like that, you start off with ancient primary sources and things like that because a doctor is going to want to cut straight to the facts, no bullshit.

01:38:22.000 So just give them the primary text.

01:38:24.000 Listen, listen, listen.

01:38:25.000 Give him the iconography.

01:38:26.000 Listen, listen, dude, it's a social situation.

01:38:28.000 You're having a drink with a guy on a plane.

01:38:30.000 You're not breaking things down for him.

01:38:31.000 You're just talking.

01:38:32.000 You're shooting the shit.

01:38:33.000 It's a conversation.

01:38:34.000 And we broached the subject of first marijuana, and then he was asking about that book, DMT, the Spirit Molecule, that was sitting on my table.

01:38:41.000 Yeah, you just mentioned another book.

01:38:43.000 So you have this guy where you're talking to him.

01:38:45.000 So he's an intelligent guy that's like 50 years old that has no experience whatsoever in anything psychedelic.

01:38:52.000 And when I started describing the experience and I started talking about it, then he started getting interested.

01:38:56.000 And then he started talking to me about it, and then he started writing things down.

01:38:59.000 And he started like taking little notes on it and things that he wanted to investigate.

01:39:03.000 And he asked me, you know, like where I could get the book.

01:39:05.000 You know, is it on a website?

01:39:06.000 Can I get it on Amazon?

01:39:07.000 You know, something that might be easier for a guy like that would be like Dr. Roland Griffith's work.

01:39:13.000 Oh, he's fucking name-dropping again, this cunt. 0.98

01:39:16.000 Jesus Christ.

01:39:18.000 Roland Griffiths' book, sorry.

01:39:20.000 His study, Psilocybin and Religious Experience.

01:39:23.000 And that was all over the news a couple of years ago.

01:39:26.000 Is that the most recent one?

01:39:27.000 Yeah, it's very recent stuff.

01:39:30.000 Psilocybin and Religious Experience. 0.53

01:39:31.000 And what's this dude's name again?

01:39:32.000 Roland Griffiths.

01:39:34.000 You know, it's, I mean, how many fucking more books can come out about it before they start teaching it in mainstream?

01:39:41.000 Well, you know, what's interesting is in December, Loma Linda University Medical Center, which is a Seventh-day Adventist medical school and it's considered one of the best in the world, they had me come in.

01:39:51.000 Is that like a Mormon? 0.98

01:39:52.000 Seventh-day Adventist?

01:39:53.000 No, it's not Mormons, but Seventh-day Adventists, they're Seventh-day Adventists.

01:39:57.000 Well, it's a Christian group, but anyway, they worship on Saturday instead of Sunday.

01:40:03.000 They worship on the Sabbath, basically.

01:40:05.000 So this school had me come into their pharmacy department and give a two-hour lecture on the history of the medical and spiritual applications of psychedelic drugs.

01:40:17.000 What was that like?

01:40:17.000 Whoa.

01:40:18.000 Did you get a lot of hippie chicks after the show? 1.00

01:40:21.000 Want to get a piece of that author?

01:40:23.000 I want to sit down with you, man.

01:40:26.000 I have so many thoughts that are so similar to yours.

01:40:30.000 Like real freaky.

01:40:31.000 You must get away from that.

01:40:33.000 Unfortunately, the class was, those who were allowed to participate were the top of the class, so they couldn't, you know, there were no, anybody who thought that they thought was going to deviate from the norm of society were even allowed to attend the lecture.

01:40:46.000 Wow.

01:40:47.000 Huh.

01:40:48.000 Do you get psychedelic groupies?

01:40:50.000 Do you get girls who are interested because they're really into psychedelics?

01:40:54.000 There's their colors.

01:40:56.000 Yeah, there's been some auras.

01:40:58.000 He has a beautiful aura.

01:40:59.000 Dude, he's got the same sign as me.

01:41:00.000 I see you in your documentaries.

01:41:03.000 Just have this connection.

01:41:05.000 You know, in the Pharmacratic Inquisition, I was never in the documentary, but they can see me in the one that you and I were in, American Drug War.

01:41:11.000 Yeah.

01:41:12.000 That was a long-ass time ago, right?

01:41:15.000 Did they wind up using your footage in that?

01:41:18.000 Yeah, they use like 15 seconds or 30 seconds or something of it.

01:41:23.000 And then Kevin Booth, he was going to use a lot more of that later on, but I guess never went back to it.

01:41:28.000 What I was saying is what I was trying to address by asking you what it's like when you talk to regular people that don't have any experience in this.

01:41:35.000 It's a very weird subject to broach, all of it.

01:41:39.000 The use of psychedelic drugs is anything more than a party favor.

01:41:42.000 Well, you know what's interesting is last April up in San Jose, there's a group called MAPS, the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies.

01:41:49.000 They held a huge conference.

01:41:51.000 It was the first one in like 35 or 40 years, but there was 800 or 900 doctors and professors there at this conference, and the whole thing was about the latest research in psychedelics.

01:42:02.000 This is on a regular basis, right?

01:42:03.000 This is a they're they're well they they are planning there are different ones, but this was the first and the largest one instead of regional, is that what it is?

01:42:13.000 Well, this one was it was the largest where they it was like spread out over three days almost 100 presenters, you know, literally people flying in from all over the world, medical professionals from all over the world, experts in psychedelics presenting on just everything.

01:42:29.000 So, I mean, you know, the psychedelic craze and fear of the 60s is pretty much over and it's becoming a lot more in tune with the academic side and with real knowledge about psychedelics instead of just the fear that was put out by the mass media for the last 40 years.

01:42:47.000 So you really think there's a shift?

01:42:48.000 You really think things are actually changing?

01:42:50.000 Oh yeah, well, just in the last six or eight months, I think maybe it was October last year, ecstasy MDMA was approved for treating PTSD in military professionals.

01:43:02.000 And there's pilot studies.

01:43:04.000 There are pilot treatment studies happening in Colorado right now.

01:43:08.000 How often is that happening though?

01:43:10.000 Are people actually giving MDMA to people that you're using?

01:43:12.000 Well, Israel is using it. 0.91

01:43:14.000 There's a couple other different places that are already using it for the treatment of PTSD.

01:43:21.000 Right, but is that actually happening in America?

01:43:23.000 Yes, it's happening in Colorado right now.

01:43:25.000 It's already been approved for use.

01:43:27.000 And one thing that's approved for use in almost every other country in the world is Iboga from ibogaine in the treatment of alcoholism and heroin and opium addiction.

01:43:38.000 And that's got like a 92% success rate.

01:43:40.000 But unfortunately, the United States is one of the only countries in the world where drug addiction treatment is illegal with ibogaine.

01:43:51.000 And ayahuasca has also been shown to be very effective in the treatment of alcoholism and opiate addiction.

01:43:57.000 Yeah, we're held captive.

01:43:58.000 We're held captive by corrupt politicians who have gotten tons of money from special interest groups, and that's what's wrong with us.

01:44:05.000 Yeah, I don't want to drop any names.

01:44:09.000 If there's any addicts out there that want more information, contact me through my website.

01:44:13.000 You can find Ibogine research places in Mexico where they have Ibogene.

01:44:17.000 Or Canada or pretty much anywhere in Europe.

01:44:19.000 I didn't know they have them in Canada, but I know a buddy who has gone to Mexico several times to do it, and he said that it's changed his entire life, changed the way he looks at everything, made him see himself for who he really is and abandon all those false patterns of behavior that he had gotten stuck with and all the false connections that he had made in his mind that were constantly tripping him up.

01:44:36.000 Yeah, ibogaine actually blocks the opiate's ability to trigger those receptors in your body.

01:44:42.000 So you come down from this 12 or 24 hour trip and you are literally not addicted anymore.

01:44:48.000 It cuts that addiction off.

01:44:50.000 And at the same time, it's like an AA when you have to have the life review, it forces that life review in that long trip.

01:44:59.000 So not only do you get the life review, but at the end of the trip, it blocks you from being addicted anymore.

01:45:04.000 It's insane.

01:45:05.000 It's like it's designed to cure you of any wrong addiction.

01:45:08.000 And it's an extremely powerful psychedelic.

01:45:11.000 It's been used by the weedy in Africa for thousands of years.

01:45:16.000 And yet it's illegal.

01:45:17.000 And it's illegal in the U.S. passed in the 1970 classification, that whole ruling that made all those different psychedelic drugs.

01:45:25.000 Was it just lumped into theirs?

01:45:27.000 I'm sure it probably was.

01:45:28.000 What's amazing is the ones that didn't get lumped in there and they didn't know about, like 5-methoxy, DMT.

01:45:33.000 Right, which is the most powerful psychedelic on earth.

01:45:35.000 And there is a church operating in the United States called TODE, T-O-A-D, that operates using 5-methoxine and dimethyltryptamine.

01:45:44.000 And this may or may not have happened.

01:45:46.000 It might be fiction.

01:45:47.000 But a long time ago, maybe me and Jan did some of that shit.

01:45:50.000 Maybe.

01:45:53.000 Maybe we learned a lot.

01:45:54.000 Yeah.

01:45:55.000 And maybe we bought it online.

01:45:58.000 Maybe we bought it online easy.

01:45:59.000 Don't do DMT with Eddie Bravo.

01:46:03.000 That's what I learned.

01:46:04.000 Yeah.

01:46:05.000 Eddie is grown as a man since then, although now he's wearying me with his love for bunnies.

01:46:11.000 I love it.

01:46:12.000 That's the best thing that could ever happen to Eddie.

01:46:14.000 Yeah, I think he's channeling.

01:46:15.000 He's ready to have a child, and so now he's really into bunnies.

01:46:17.000 I love loving small things.

01:46:20.000 The fact that Eddie Bravo can make me almost cry now is amazing.

01:46:23.000 About a bunny?

01:46:24.000 No, like just when we had him on that last podcast, it was just like his son and everything.

01:46:28.000 I was like, damn, this is a softer side of Sears.

01:46:31.000 Yeah, and then he shut down on us and the conversation was like, just fucking ended.

01:46:35.000 It hit a wall and just dropped off.

01:46:36.000 And then Eddie sat there with a sad face and Brian was half asleep.

01:46:41.000 So I'm like, hey, is anybody out there?

01:46:44.000 It was like that fucking show where the guy's on the radio trying to talk to the past.

01:46:48.000 Remember?

01:46:49.000 Oh, it was in the movie Contact.

01:46:50.000 Remember, she was trying to call her dad?

01:46:52.000 Saddest moment of all time.

01:46:54.000 That little girl was trying to call her dad. 0.57

01:46:55.000 Yeah.

01:46:56.000 She almost got to him.

01:46:57.000 She couldn't get to the medicine to him.

01:46:58.000 That was pretty solid.

01:47:00.000 So what I was trying to get at is, do you ever have any interaction with regular people who just think you're fucking crazy for studying this stuff?

01:47:08.000 Yeah, do you turn off?

01:47:09.000 Do you turn off?

01:47:10.000 You know, occasionally you'll have the person who's never looked at any of the research or evidence call up when I'll do a radio interview or something.

01:47:16.000 I'll freak out about it.

01:47:17.000 But, you know, they're...

01:47:23.000 Oh, yeah.

01:47:24.000 You've got your drugs are packed.

01:47:25.000 I mean, you should be able to do that.

01:47:27.000 Me and Johnny Rotten gave you DMT, and look what happened after that, you know?

01:47:31.000 Yeah.

01:47:32.000 Yeah, Johnny Rotten was on the podcast once.

01:47:34.000 We talked about it, about psychedelic traveling.

01:47:36.000 It changes the whole world because if you go through that and your world doesn't change, well then, man, you must have known something already.

01:47:44.000 You must have already, I mean, you must be the smartest person in the world.

01:47:47.000 How could you not improve radically?

01:47:49.000 Multi-state consciousness theory.

01:47:50.000 McKenna had the best description of it, and his description was that he looked at your culture as an operating system.

01:47:58.000 And he said that there's only one way to abandon this operating system.

01:48:04.000 You have to take something, a program that sort of reprograms your operating system.

01:48:10.000 And you name out all these different psychedelic compounds.

01:48:10.000 And you could do it.

01:48:14.000 And he said, or you could do it in DMT form, which is like a compressed 15-minute form.

01:48:21.000 It's like taking some zip file and unzipping it into your hard drive.

01:48:26.000 Just boom.

01:48:28.000 You've got to change.

01:48:29.000 Two terabytes of new information flying in at one point.

01:48:32.000 It is not something that everybody should do.

01:48:35.000 I think some people have a hard time with regular life.

01:48:37.000 I think some people have a hard time with just fucking getting through life.

01:48:40.000 And it could be a whole host of things wrong.

01:48:42.000 I think that's largely because of societal conditioning in the first place.

01:48:50.000 It could be medical.

01:48:52.000 It could be a lot of other things.

01:48:53.000 There's some people that have issues, like just holding on to regular reality.

01:48:57.000 So I'm not suggesting that everybody do it, but I'm suggesting that we should be able to go places and try it.

01:49:02.000 If you're a fucking regular person and you got your shit together and you're curious about expanding your mind and your consciousness with these experiences, there should be a place where we could go where the government fucking make sure the stuff is pure, they get taxes from it, everybody profits, and the society profits because you're going to have better.

01:49:19.000 Better government, though, man.

01:49:20.000 I mean, it really needs to go back to just being free, you know?

01:49:23.000 It should, okay, that would be nice, but why not have it where you can make money off of it and it actually is a contributing member to society, okay?

01:49:29.000 Because it's going back to selling it, giving people gold coins and shit and making, hey, man, here's a basket.

01:49:34.000 Can I have some eggs?

01:49:35.000 You know what I mean?

01:49:36.000 Like, we can go back to bartering things, but in the meantime, we need a goddamn government. 0.85

01:49:41.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:49:41.000 I don't know.

01:49:42.000 I'm not sure about that.

01:49:42.000 There is a myth of government.

01:49:43.000 There's no government out there.

01:49:45.000 There is a myth of government.

01:49:46.000 We need some structure.

01:49:47.000 We need to be able to call the cops.

01:49:48.000 We need someone who's going to fucking fix the roads.

01:49:50.000 We need roads.

01:49:51.000 We need some shit.

01:49:53.000 To say we don't, it might help us make roads.

01:49:55.000 What the problem is, That's ridiculous.

01:49:59.000 Well, you have to.

01:50:01.000 See, I don't want to give a name call out here, but you've got 300 million people, man.

01:50:06.000 You need to.

01:50:06.000 Go to my podcast and check out this show called The Myth of Government that I did a few weeks ago.

01:50:11.000 Let's talk about farts.

01:50:12.000 No.

01:50:13.000 No.

01:50:14.000 Shut up, Brian.

01:50:15.000 Shut up. 0.95

01:50:16.000 I just, I think, you know.

01:50:17.000 Brian's got to keep it as shallow as possible.

01:50:20.000 That's right.

01:50:20.000 Yeah, that's what he's here for.

01:50:22.000 Exactly, Brian.

01:50:22.000 That's what he's here for.

01:50:23.000 For real.

01:50:24.000 Let's not get deep at all.

01:50:25.000 Let's keep deep.

01:50:26.000 We got pretty deep, dude.

01:50:28.000 That's deeper than most people.

01:50:29.000 We can't get scholarly.

01:50:31.000 You can't go dropping a thousand names.

01:50:32.000 It's just too confusing for all these stoners that are in their car right now going, I'm trying to fucking absorb this man.

01:50:38.000 But the books' names are important.

01:50:41.000 So the number one book from John Marco Allegro is called The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross, and that is the one we talked about earlier.

01:50:47.000 And Jan's two books that he's published are: What was the mushroom one?

01:50:51.000 The Holy Holy Mushroom is the most recent one.

01:50:53.000 And then the one before that is Astrotheology and Shamanism, Christianity's Pagan Roots. 0.93

01:50:58.000 And that one's really interesting, too, because there's so many cool photographs in it, and you can just really see.

01:51:02.000 Yeah, they both have a lot of photos and color.

01:51:04.000 Nobody would have ever believed that shit was real.

01:51:07.000 Nobody would, just looking at those photos, like, are they making this up?

01:51:11.000 Like, how could this be real?

01:51:12.000 Most of them we pulled from ancient library archives, biblical archives and stuff.

01:51:16.000 Are you going to put them in digital form in any of these books?

01:51:19.000 Because I've honestly caught myself.

01:51:21.000 The Holy Mushroom book is available on Kindle, but because Astrotheology and Shamanism has like 185 color images in it, it was too hard to put it into a clean digital format like Kindle, so it's left in book-only form.

01:51:36.000 Man, I feel like we should be able to do that in iPad form or make a couple copies of it.

01:51:42.000 iPads have that option now.

01:51:44.000 I mean, I've been watching, not watching, but I say watching comic books on an iPad because it is like you're watching a comic book.

01:51:51.000 If you've never seen it, you can get iPad has a bunch of different programs.

01:51:55.000 One of them is for Marvel Comics.

01:51:56.000 And you buy comics and you can watch them frame by frame.

01:51:59.000 You tap the frame, then it goes to the next frame, and then, oh, it's fucking incredible, man.

01:52:03.000 It's incredible.

01:52:04.000 And if they can do that with comic books and have these high-resolution images for each one, I feel like they should be able to do that with your magazine or your book, rather, because they do it with magazines.

01:52:13.000 They do it with Wired Magazine.

01:52:15.000 Interesting.

01:52:15.000 Yeah.

01:52:16.000 He's got the Marvel Comics one.

01:52:16.000 Wow.

01:52:18.000 See how it's set up?

01:52:19.000 Instead of you looking at something.

01:52:21.000 So how do you keep people from pirating it, though, is the thing?

01:52:24.000 Because what it does is it has to run inside of a program.

01:52:28.000 So this comic alone, you can't just take out and look at on like a bunch of people.

01:52:32.000 Right, you got a keyboard in your little case now, a Bluetooth keyboard.

01:52:36.000 You sexy bitch. 1.00

01:52:38.000 You know what you're doing.

01:52:39.000 It doesn't even seem much bigger than a regular iPad.

01:52:42.000 With the keyboard, it's probably the right size.

01:52:44.000 Are you considering taking that with you instead of a laptop?

01:52:47.000 Yeah, I've been doing that lately.

01:52:48.000 You're living on the edge.

01:52:48.000 Oh, my God.

01:52:50.000 But it's only, I can't work really too much.

01:52:52.000 Like, I can't edit podcasts on it and stuff like that.

01:52:55.000 There's no disposable media on it.

01:52:57.000 You can't connect anything.

01:52:58.000 Is there a USB?

01:52:59.000 No, there's nothing, right?

01:53:00.000 You can't connect the USB to it, like a hard drive or anything.

01:53:03.000 And you can't use it as a hard drive.

01:53:04.000 You can't store things on a desktop.

01:53:06.000 It's mostly for internet and games.

01:53:07.000 It's kind of like a data.

01:53:08.000 Jasis has that new slate that's a full-on computer.

01:53:10.000 You can edit audio, do everything.

01:53:12.000 Why can't you put a file on the desktop?

01:53:15.000 Why couldn't you create a new file and put it on a desktop?

01:53:17.000 Can you do that?

01:53:18.000 I mean, it really depends what you need to do.

01:53:21.000 Like, if you want to have a document, yes, there's a Word program, there's Dropbox, there's a lot of stuff.

01:53:26.000 And then you save them inside the iPad.

01:53:28.000 It allows you to save things.

01:53:29.000 Oh, yeah, yeah.

01:53:30.000 It's got a 64-gig hard drive in it.

01:53:32.000 Really?

01:53:32.000 Or whatever it is.

01:53:33.000 So eventually, do you think that's what's going to be going on?

01:53:35.000 That seems like a small laptop.

01:53:37.000 Let me feel that.

01:53:38.000 It's still kind of heavy.

01:53:40.000 Why the fuck wouldn't you use it?

01:53:41.000 MacBook Air, they're about to release a new one, I think, next week.

01:53:44.000 The new MacBook Airs are the way to go.

01:53:47.000 The price of MacBook Air is now only $1,000 or less.

01:53:51.000 And they're having a new one that comes out next week that uses this new memory that's going to be so much faster.

01:53:56.000 Something like that.

01:53:57.000 I mean, for the majority, unless you're working heavy on the road, that right there is better than any iPad or tablet or anything.

01:54:03.000 Skip that new.

01:54:04.000 Wait for the new MacBook Air Air.

01:54:05.000 Most people just need to keep up with whatever technology is on websites, right?

01:54:09.000 Yeah.

01:54:09.000 I mean, absolutely.

01:54:11.000 It's just basic work usually for.

01:54:13.000 Speaking of technology, aren't you the dude that didn't you transcribe a gang of those Terrence McKenna things that got online?

01:54:21.000 You did, right?

01:54:21.000 Didn't you?

01:54:22.000 Because I remember when I first met you, you know, talk about having to do some damage control for the last seven or eight years, right?

01:54:28.000 Why have you had to do damage control?

01:54:29.000 Oh, well, because, you know, as much as he had right, there was a lot of pseudoscience bullshit in there, too.

01:54:35.000 Really?

01:54:35.000 A lot of misinformation.

01:54:36.000 Yeah, people have criticized him for a few things.

01:54:38.000 What was the main thing that you think that you could talk about?

01:54:40.000 Well, 2012, first off.

01:54:42.000 I mean, now we know exactly where the whole theory came from, where they developed it.

01:54:46.000 Basically, it originally started with In Search of, and then Jose Arguez and Terrence McKinna picked up on it, and they spread it until Daniel Pinchbeck made it famous, basically.

01:54:58.000 So you're talking about the Mayan version of 2012, not even Terrence McKenna's Time Wave Zero.

01:55:04.000 All of that was launched by McKinna and the In Search of program with Leonard Nien Moy and shit.

01:55:10.000 That was the premiere episode.

01:55:12.000 So is your assertion that, for people who don't know this, Terrence McKenna came up with a thing called Time Wave Zero novelty theory?

01:55:19.000 Well, you know, Terrence admitted that the novelty theory was right.

01:55:22.000 Hold on, hold on.

01:55:23.000 It's a theory that, just for people who don't know what the fuck we're talking about, it's a theory that supposedly can track waves in time.

01:55:30.000 And the idea is that time is actually something that you can track with a program.

01:55:35.000 And that this program was based on the I Ching and that it tracked novelty or human innovation and inventions and great moments of change all throughout time.

01:55:46.000 And that by applying this novelty program, this algorithm to the past, he could point out real big spikes in the curve.

01:55:53.000 So that was all bullshit?

01:55:54.000 Well, the problem was, and there was a guy who came out and presented a paper called Mathematical Hallucinations.

01:56:00.000 This is Watson.

01:56:01.000 I don't remember the guy that was.

01:56:02.000 It was the Watson, there was a guy named Watson.

01:56:05.000 I don't remember.

01:56:06.000 It's in my ANS book, but came out with a paper, Mathematical Hallucinations, and basically showed that what Terrence did was arbitrarily place the end date, and there was no way really to match up perfectly.

01:56:21.000 You just had to arbitrarily say December 21st, 2012.

01:56:27.000 He could have said January 30th.

01:56:30.000 He could say that.

01:56:31.000 Well, he could have said anything.

01:56:32.000 Because in 1975, when the first edition of Invisible Landscape came out, you can look in the first edition, and there is no December 21st, 2012.

01:56:41.000 It just says 2011 or 2012.

01:56:43.000 It's in the 1993 edition when he and Jose Arguez got together and both decided on the December 21st, 2012 date.

01:56:52.000 In fact, there is no connection to the Mayan calendar there whatsoever.

01:56:58.000 Well, there wasn't supposed to be.

01:56:59.000 In McKenna's Defense, it took him 25 years to work on this thing.

01:57:03.000 You know that he came out himself and admitted that it was wrong before his death.

01:57:07.000 What was wrong about it?

01:57:09.000 That because of the arbitrary placement, and there was a few flaws in the math that this guy had pointed out in the mathematical hallucinations paper that McKenna stuck to his academic honesty and relinquished the theory.

01:57:21.000 Well, this is my favorite.

01:57:22.000 But the theory has continued on for hold on.

01:57:25.000 I don't understand because you're saying that he lied.

01:57:27.000 What you're basically saying is that he knew about the modernity.

01:57:31.000 I talked to his brother about this, Dennis McKenna, and he's been on my show, and he and I have done a couple shows together as well on other places.

01:57:38.000 But what he said was that basically the theory got so popular so quickly that Terrence basically just let it run.

01:57:47.000 The theory.

01:57:50.000 The novelty theory, the end date.

01:57:51.000 Right, and not only that, but the entire theory is based on the appeal to novelty, which is a logical fallacy in and of itself.

01:57:57.000 What about the theory?

01:57:59.000 I mean, what about the end date coinciding with the end of the long count of the mind calendar?

01:58:02.000 That was the first time.

01:58:04.000 See, there's only one monument that we know of.

01:58:08.000 It's Monument 6 that even discusses December 21st, 2012.

01:58:13.000 And the only thing that it says is that a king will be robed.

01:58:17.000 That is it.

01:58:19.000 Anything else that's applied about December 21st, 2012 beyond that has been made up and embellished.

01:58:24.000 So it might be that Prince Dude from England just goes to get a new suit.

01:58:30.000 I am betting my money on that.

01:58:31.000 So anybody who says that it's the end of the world, that they can trace this to the mind calendar, all of that stuff is made up.

01:58:37.000 The only thing, the only evidence that we have is a king will be robed.

01:58:40.000 That's amazing.

01:58:40.000 Okay, really?

01:58:41.000 What about the end of the long count?

01:58:44.000 Isn't it the end of the long count?

01:58:45.000 Well, and it's like December 31st and January 1st.

01:58:50.000 It's about that.

01:58:52.000 I mean, there may be a planetary alignment, but do the polls shift and does the end of the world happen and all of this stuff?

01:58:58.000 I mean, people wake up in the morning and get ready for work and take a shower and all that shit like you usually do on December 22nd.

01:59:07.000 But Daniel Pinchback says that we should be in the woods and we should make our own money.

01:59:11.000 Well, Daniel Pinchback charges $325 a ticket for 2012 conferences as well.

01:59:11.000 Right.

01:59:17.000 Yeah.

01:59:17.000 Does he really?

01:59:18.000 Really?

01:59:19.000 Wow, what a genius.

01:59:20.000 He asked me to do one in like Utah.

01:59:23.000 Yeah, well.

01:59:24.000 You know, all the power to him.

01:59:26.000 You know, I know Professor John Hupps, who's an expert in Maya studies, and he sent Pinchback a whole bunch of information when he was writing that book, showing that Pinchbeck's whole theory was completely bogus.

01:59:38.000 You know, not only that, but Pinchbeck is using an Aztec god, Quitzaquatl, to talk about a Maya calendar.

01:59:43.000 What is an Aztec god dealing with a Maya calendar?

01:59:48.000 And why would he come down and come to Daniel Pinchbeck, this New Yorker white guy, to reveal 2012 to the world, right?

01:59:56.000 Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.

02:00:00.000 Wait a minute.

02:00:01.000 He actually says that this thing came down and revealed it to him?

02:00:04.000 Yeah.

02:00:05.000 Quetzaquattl. 0.99

02:00:06.000 An Aztec God came to him and told him about a Mayan calendar and the 2012 thing.

02:00:11.000 The end of the business needs.

02:00:13.000 Remember what I said about arguing the arbitrary earlier when you don't have any evidence of anything, it's bullshit and you throw it out?

02:00:19.000 Well, this is when you take arguing the arbitrary and you make a fucking shitload of money on it.

02:00:24.000 Okay, but this guy, I did not know that he did this.

02:00:24.000 Exactly.

02:00:27.000 So he, I've met him before.

02:00:28.000 He seemed like a very good idea.

02:00:29.000 I've met him a couple times.

02:00:30.000 I had a conversation with him out in my backyard where we talked about the end of the world.

02:00:34.000 I think that's what he rocks with.

02:00:36.000 I wanted to get him on the podcast, see if I can get him behind, just talk about life, you know, find out what makes you tick, dude.

02:00:42.000 But so you're saying that it's all bullshit.

02:00:45.000 So you're saying that he's just.

02:00:46.000 There's no correlation to the Maya calendar.

02:00:49.000 And you're saying, like I said, did he say that?

02:00:50.000 Why would an Aztec god Quetzaquatline?

02:00:54.000 That's the thing was a trip or whatever.

02:00:55.000 Was it a trip?

02:00:56.000 Okay.

02:00:56.000 Right.

02:00:57.000 And so there's an Aztec God telling him about a Maya calendar.

02:01:00.000 We're talking about two different cultures, two different religions, two different calendars.

02:01:05.000 So the Maya didn't celebrate Quetzalcoatl.

02:01:07.000 So it's like, you know, Jesus came to me in this vision and told me to teach the world about the Maya calendar, right?

02:01:13.000 Same ridiculousness.

02:01:13.000 Right.

02:01:15.000 Right.

02:01:16.000 The Mayans didn't study Quetzalquattle or they didn't have a Quetzalquattle?

02:01:19.000 Well, they have their own deities and their own calendars.

02:01:23.000 They're called Quetzalquattle?

02:01:25.000 No, it's not called Quetzalquattle.

02:01:27.000 That's an Aztec god.

02:01:29.000 So that snake, the plume serpent from the Maya, what is that?

02:01:33.000 What's that called?

02:01:34.000 Let me see.

02:01:34.000 Packetry.

02:01:37.000 I don't think you're right.

02:01:38.000 I'm going to say you're not right.

02:01:40.000 I'm not recalling the name off the top of my head.

02:01:42.000 Okay, so you're basically saying Pinchback's full of shit, though.

02:01:45.000 Yes.

02:01:46.000 Wow.

02:01:46.000 Strong words.

02:01:47.000 You heard it, Pinchback.

02:01:48.000 It's time to come on the podcast for counterpoint.

02:01:51.000 Point counterpoint.

02:01:52.000 And have him address publicly all of John Hupps' points that Hupps has been publishing the entire origins of 2012.

02:01:59.000 He's published it two times on my show, but he's also coming out with a book on the whole thing.

02:02:04.000 I watched a fascinating show on them trying to figure out how to decode Mayan language because what Mayan language, like each little symbol, like will like you will say things, like you will see things.

02:02:17.000 McKenna described it like if you had an eyeball and a saw and an ant insect and then a rose, I saw ant rose.

02:02:26.000 That's how you would say I saw ant rose.

02:02:28.000 You'd have to do it like that.

02:02:30.000 It's incredibly difficult to decipher.

02:02:33.000 But a fascinating documentary about all these scientists and archaeologists trying to break it down and figure out what the fuck everything means and how long it took and all these breakthroughs that they came out.

02:02:42.000 And the dates are all wrong, too.

02:02:44.000 All sorts of things are wrong.

02:02:46.000 Well, it's so difficult to decipher.

02:02:48.000 And I was going to ask you this because I saw this in a podcast, not a podcast, a documentary once, but I already agree that it's probably correct, but I haven't been able to break it down with anybody who really knows a lot about the ancient Bible and the ancient Hebrew Bible.

02:03:02.000 The ancient Hebrew Bible was all, that was not the earliest version of the Bible.

02:03:07.000 The earlier versions of the Bible was the Dead Sea Scrolls, right?

02:03:13.000 Well, the Dead Sea Scrolls were probably written from the 2nd century BCE to about 67 AD.

02:03:23.000 And then the original Torah would have been written, like Genesis was probably written about 586 BCE.

02:03:23.000 And it was the same.

02:03:32.000 So the Torah would, you know, certain aspects of the Torah, which we don't have an original copy that's that old, but would technically be older than certain sections of the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:03:42.000 But there is a lot of, you know, identical copies of original Hebrew texts in the Dead Sea Scrolls.

02:03:49.000 And the Dead Sea Scrolls were written in Aramaic, right?

02:03:51.000 I believe they were written in Aramaic, yes.

02:03:53.000 And it's on animal skins, right?

02:03:56.000 Most of it's on parchment.

02:03:58.000 Some of it was on papyrus, and then there was the copper scroll as well.

02:04:03.000 But there were some on animal skins.

02:04:05.000 Yeah, most of it was parchment, which is skin, yeah.

02:04:08.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:08.000 That's what parchment is?

02:04:10.000 Right.

02:04:11.000 Wow, I thought it was a type of paper.

02:04:14.000 I had no idea.

02:04:15.000 Wow.

02:04:15.000 Right.

02:04:16.000 And so that was one of the things that I read that they were trying to match up different pieces of the Dead Sea Scrolls by using DNA so that the parchment came from the same cow.

02:04:25.000 So they were matching the DNA of the fucking, the shit they were writing on to try to figure out what pile.

02:04:31.000 Interesting.

02:04:32.000 This pile is all this one animal.

02:04:34.000 Let's figure out if this was the same scroll.

02:04:36.000 Fucking incredible, man.

02:04:37.000 I mean, think about it.

02:04:38.000 That is a brilliant idea.

02:04:41.000 Have you ever seen this shit that's going on now in Turkey where they're unveiling that temple that was on the front page of Life magazine recently?

02:04:50.000 Or not Life.

02:04:51.000 It's the yellow one.

02:04:52.000 National Geographic.

02:04:53.000 It's a Gobekli Tepe that completely predates by a huge chunk anything that they thought people were doing 12,000 years ago or earlier.

02:05:04.000 It's the earliest known human civilization.

02:05:08.000 It's Mesopotamia.

02:05:08.000 It's like Babylon and Iraq.

02:05:10.000 Interesting.

02:05:10.000 No, well, I recall hearing something about it, but I haven't studied on it.

02:05:14.000 They found these temples in Turkey, and they've been unearthing them.

02:05:18.000 They're trying to decipher them and figure out what the fuck it is.

02:05:20.000 This is back when they thought people were nothing but straight hunter-gatherers just roaming around like animals.

02:05:25.000 Well, we're finding out more and more often that civilization is probably 10,000 or 15,000 years older than most previously believed.

02:05:34.000 And a lot of those early civilizations, they had evidence of cattle worship and evidence of psychedelic mushroom worship.

02:05:41.000 Right, well, cows and mushrooms go hand in hand.

02:05:43.000 Yeah, like that one, one of the earliest ones.

02:05:46.000 What was it?

02:05:47.000 Oh, God.

02:05:50.000 Chuck Takhayuk?

02:05:50.000 How do you say it?

02:05:53.000 I know what you're talking about.

02:05:54.000 Katakayuk or whatever.

02:05:55.000 Yeah, however you say it.

02:05:56.000 It looks weird when it's written down.

02:05:58.000 But it's all cows and shit.

02:05:59.000 They're worshiping cows.

02:06:00.000 Like, I guess you would worship cows because they keep you alive because you eat them.

02:06:03.000 I mean, that does make sense.

02:06:04.000 And then they poop, and then these things that give you religious inspiration come out of the poop.

02:06:09.000 Yeah, that's the amazing part of it.

02:06:11.000 Most likely that's responsible for why Hindus are so fascinated by cows and they love cows. 1.00

02:06:16.000 Oh, sure.

02:06:16.000 People don't want to ever even take that into consideration, though.

02:06:18.000 You know, and there's more than 100 psychoactive plants dedicated to Shiva alone.

02:06:24.000 Yeah.

02:06:24.000 But, you know, the Hindus still use bang or banj, which is marijuana, and soma was argued by Gordon Wasson to be Amanita muscaria, the red and white spotted mushroom that you see in all the fairy tales and with gnomes and dwarves and Mario Brothers and shit like that.

02:06:40.000 And there's so much ancient Hindu art that shows people holding up mushrooms.

02:06:44.000 Holding up mushrooms or mushrooms coming out of their heads and all this stuff.

02:06:48.000 Just like we've got for ancient Christian artwork.

02:06:52.000 There's a lot of that stuff out there.

02:06:54.000 It's amazing that you have to hear about this from the podcast of a comedian.

02:06:59.000 You know, you're not hearing about this on CNN.

02:07:02.000 They won't discuss this.

02:07:03.000 They wouldn't allow you to come on and have a two-hour uncensored conversation about the origins.

02:07:07.000 Yeah, no kidding.

02:07:08.000 Yeah, it's a weird world that we live in, man.

02:07:11.000 It's a weird world that we have this incredible access to information, but yet we're still filtered.

02:07:16.000 We're filtered pretty fucking heavily.

02:07:18.000 It's starting to change, though.

02:07:20.000 It really is starting to change.

02:07:21.000 You know, it blows me away, too, how many academics and researchers are out there all over the world and universities working on this stuff.

02:07:28.000 And there's academics all over the place that know about it, but the mainstream public is completely unaware of it.

02:07:36.000 Well, for the longest time for any academic, using even the term psychedelics as a subject of serious research, you go, oh, I'm looking into psychedelics.

02:07:45.000 What the fuck are you wasting your career on, man?

02:07:48.000 Thanks to Timothy Leary and the bad connotation that he left psychedelics.

02:07:53.000 Yes.

02:07:53.000 Yeah.

02:07:54.000 But, you know, it's interesting that Time Life, Time Magazine actually had more influence in popularizing LSD than Tim Leary had.

02:08:02.000 And Time Life, you know, it was being run by Skull and Bones.

02:08:06.000 Huh.

02:08:07.000 How did Time Life have more?

02:08:09.000 Just the stories they ran?

02:08:10.000 Well, Henry Luce, who is the president of Time Life, his wife, Claire Booth Luce, is even quoted as saying that she and her husband had more to do with popularizing LSD than Tim Leary ever did.

02:08:22.000 On purpose?

02:08:23.000 Oh, yeah.

02:08:23.000 Wow.

02:08:24.000 So they had done it and they were in on it from the top.

02:08:29.000 But Timothy Leary was the spokesperson because he was a guy like, holy shit, this guy's a hard one.

02:08:34.000 Well, he was the one that they put up front as the spokesperson.

02:08:37.000 He was the one that kind of just went hog wild with it.

02:08:39.000 Was he responsible in any way for the Ted Kaczynski thing?

02:08:44.000 That's an interesting question.

02:08:45.000 I would have to go to where Ted Kaczynski's locked up and ask him myself, you know.

02:08:52.000 Yeah.

02:08:53.000 That would be an interesting guy to do an interview with right there.

02:08:56.000 Yeah.

02:08:57.000 People wouldn't be angry.

02:08:59.000 You know, it's like when someone's killed a member of your family, you don't want that person being glorified.

02:09:03.000 It's, you know, perhaps a misunderstanding.

02:09:05.000 What the fuck happened?

02:09:06.000 Who gave you the LSD?

02:09:07.000 What was behind the program?

02:09:09.000 Let's get down to the meat.

02:09:10.000 Tell us what really happened there.

02:09:12.000 Isn't it incredible that he really is a true...

02:09:16.000 We don't know whether or not that's what caused him, but it's possible.

02:09:19.000 It's a very strong possibility that he really is some real Manchurian candidate type of a dude.

02:09:25.000 He really is some guy that they, you know, they did some shit to him.

02:09:29.000 I don't know, though.

02:09:30.000 not as programmed as that.

02:09:31.000 I think he might have been more brilliant than that.

02:09:41.000 Not an Manchurian candidate was like he was, what did they, you have to come up to him and say something to him and he fucking snaps or some silliness like that. 0.99

02:09:47.000 But I think in the case of Kadinsky that they might have fried this guy's circuit at the point that this is the conversation. 0.84

02:09:53.000 But you know, but I don't think it's a good idea.

02:09:54.000 But see, he did all the Unibommer shit 20 or 25 years after these LSD experiments.

02:10:01.000 You know, he was a professor.

02:10:02.000 Oh, yeah.

02:10:03.000 You know, those experiments were in the, what, the 50s or 60s.

02:10:06.000 And he was professor of math up until mid-90s up at Berkeley.

02:10:11.000 So when, didn't he?

02:10:11.000 Really?

02:10:13.000 I thought he was only a professor for a few years.

02:10:15.000 I don't think so.

02:10:16.000 Double check me.

02:10:17.000 Do it.

02:10:17.000 I'm pretty sure.

02:10:18.000 Do a wiki search.

02:10:18.000 In fact, check me.

02:10:20.000 Shit.

02:10:21.000 This is going to take too much time.

02:10:23.000 Let's just say, just the net is a very fascinating documentary if you want to watch it.

02:10:27.000 It is from another country. 0.95

02:10:28.000 I'm not sure which, so it's all in subtitles.

02:10:30.000 Yeah.

02:10:31.000 You know, there's another really good documentary that people should check out.

02:10:33.000 It's called The Crazy Rulers of the World.

02:10:37.000 The movie, the Hollywood movie, Men Who Stare at Goats, is based off of the film Crazy Rulers of the World.

02:10:43.000 Check out that one and the net back to back.

02:10:45.000 It'll give you some really interesting inside information on U.S. intelligence and psychedelics.

02:10:52.000 There's too much information out there, and I don't want some of it in my head, Jan Irvin.

02:10:56.000 I don't.

02:10:57.000 Tough shit.

02:10:58.000 Let your listeners get into it then.

02:11:00.000 Don't you think, though, that at a certain point in time, it's like, God damn it.

02:11:03.000 You're like, I mean, I'm not sure if you're not afraid of the Hiranosino Ceno.

02:11:07.000 But I'm saying you dig so deep into the rabbit hole.

02:11:07.000 No, no, no.

02:11:10.000 You're like, fuck, I can never live a real life.

02:11:12.000 Now I'm always looking for skull and cross bones and secret societies and fucking evidence.

02:11:17.000 Well, I mean, you know, anybody can look in an old dictionary and see that the Illuminati and skull and bones and shit is real.

02:11:23.000 I mean, you pull out a 1911 Webster's dictionary and that shit's right there.

02:11:29.000 Yeah, nobody disputes that.

02:11:30.000 Oh, sure.

02:11:30.000 I hear people, oh, the Illuminati conspiracy, but that shit's totally proved.

02:11:34.000 What I'm saying is, it does ever get to a point in time where you're just like, you're so absorbed in all this shit that you can't enjoy regular life.

02:11:34.000 That's not what I'm saying.

02:11:42.000 Not really.

02:11:43.000 I mean, I'm fascinated by this research.

02:11:45.000 That's why I do it in the first place.

02:11:46.000 It's a passion, right?

02:11:48.000 And I wouldn't do it if I wasn't fascinated by it.

02:11:50.000 Yeah, and it's, but your research is all like exposing all kinds of crazy shit that the government is up to.

02:11:57.000 Oh, sure.

02:11:58.000 I mean, it's like the founding father of the whole field of psychedelics was a chairman for the Council on Foreign Relations.

02:12:05.000 I mean, when that shit goes public out there in our field, it's going to be explosive.

02:12:10.000 I mean, you know, that's taking away their guy who was the founding father.

02:12:14.000 But I can show that he stole many of his ideas from this other researcher who came 70 years before him in the 1890s.

02:12:22.000 But, you know, there's a whole big, you know, there's scandal on top of scandal, on top of intelligence, CIA bullshit.

02:12:29.000 Right, but does it ever get to a point where you're like overwhelmed by this shit?

02:12:32.000 Well, you just want to just take a deep breath.

02:12:34.000 Do you have your photo shit on, silly boy?

02:12:37.000 You know, every once in a while, sure.

02:12:38.000 But usually when I get into and find all more crazy shit, it's like, aha, here's another book, right?

02:12:46.000 Another book for you to write or to read?

02:12:47.000 To write.

02:12:48.000 Oh, well, okay.

02:12:49.000 In that sense, man, it totally makes sense.

02:12:51.000 What the fuck can be done in closing?

02:12:53.000 What can be done?

02:12:55.000 How can people do something about this situation that we're in that's been here since you and I were children and it is here now that we have the children?

02:13:04.000 The best thing that people can do, in my opinion, that is the real solution is pick up the trivium, pick up critical thinking, grammar, logic, and rhetoric.

02:13:11.000 That is the best way.

02:13:13.000 It's like installing a mental antivirus system into your brain so that suddenly it's like taking the red pill.

02:13:18.000 All of a sudden the green lines are coming down the screen.

02:13:20.000 Are you going to write a book about this?

02:13:23.000 We've talked about it.

02:13:24.000 A friend of mine is already writing a book on it.

02:13:26.000 We've done a number of documentaries on the trivium.

02:13:28.000 I run triviumeducation.com, a website that people can check out.

02:13:32.000 Do you run this?

02:13:33.000 I run that website, yeah.

02:13:34.000 So people can check that out.

02:13:36.000 There's videos and stuff up there that people can check out on it.

02:13:39.000 But I would say that that's the most important thing because once you have that, you can see all the other bullshit going on.

02:13:45.000 It doesn't teach you what to think.

02:13:46.000 It teaches you how to think and how to see through all the bullshit.

02:13:50.000 Well, that's nice for the people that are going to pay attention.

02:13:52.000 But what kind of a strategy, if any, is possible for letting people know about psychedelics, letting people know about the benefits and positives of these things that have really been held back from people.

02:14:04.000 One of the things that McKenna said that always stuck with me is that living a life and going birth to the grave without psychedelics to me is like living a life and going birth to the grave without ever having sex.

02:14:15.000 I would agree with that, but the problem with just doing psychedelics without critical thinking is that when somebody breaks free of their religious paradigm or the new age paradigms that are just as much mind control out there as anything else, the problem is, is if they do psychedelics alone, they're easily manipulated.

02:14:33.000 And so I disagree with McKenna and Larry's theory that everybody should just take it.

02:14:38.000 I think that people should be given the proper tools of critical thinking and then take the psychedelics and then they really break free.

02:14:44.000 So basically we have to start our own cult slash educational center.

02:14:49.000 No, we don't need it.

02:14:50.000 No, that's the nice thing about the trivium is that it prevents people from buying into religious creeds.

02:14:50.000 Where do we need to go?

02:14:55.000 I'm clearly not serious.

02:14:56.000 But if we had a cult, where would we rock this shit?

02:14:59.000 Salt and sea, Brian?

02:15:01.000 Canoga Park.

02:15:01.000 Canoga Park?

02:15:02.000 That's really close by.

02:15:03.000 It'd be much more convenient.

02:15:06.000 There's no, listen, exposing people to this information is probably step one.

02:15:10.000 There's a bunch of people that are growing up now that are in high school and college that are reading these types of books and listening to these types of conversations that we're having on this podcast and researching this type of information.

02:15:21.000 And just having this stuff being a part of public discourse, it allows people to know it's out there and it allows people to start thinking about things in a little bit of a different way.

02:15:31.000 We're all programmed in one way or another, whether we like it or not.

02:15:34.000 We're programmed by our experiences.

02:15:36.000 We're programmed by our environment.

02:15:38.000 And it's not always necessarily for your own good to follow that fucking programming.

02:15:43.000 Indeed.

02:15:44.000 And so, Jan, thank you very much for coming on the show and thank you for your books, man.

02:15:47.000 And thank you for republishing The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross.

02:15:50.000 And if people want to buy your books, they're all available on Amazon.com, right?

02:15:55.000 Yes, they are.

02:15:56.000 Is there some hippie fucking thing about Amazon?

02:15:59.000 Is it a little bit more detailed?

02:15:59.000 Am I supposed to avoid it?

02:16:00.000 No, actually, but if you do buy it directly from the Gnostic Media website, Amazon takes less of our cut.

02:16:06.000 So there you go.

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The Joe Rogan Experience - July 06, 2011

Joe Rogan Experience #119 - Jan Irvin

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