The Joe Rogan Experience - Joe Rogan Experience #1193 - Shane Dorian

00:00:01.000 Yeah, I think he's too smart.

00:00:04.000 He's too smart to talk to regular people.

00:00:07.000 Boom! 0.99

00:00:10.000 How are you, buddy?

00:00:11.000 I'm great.

00:00:11.000 We just got back from playing a little techno hunt.

00:00:14.000 We did, man.

00:00:15.000 Greatest thing of all time, right?

00:00:16.000 I was just saying, I don't care what the price is, it's worth it.

00:00:19.000 It's a bargain at twice the price or whatever it is.

00:00:22.000 Yeah, for people who don't know what it is, it's this game that simulates bow hunting.

00:00:27.000 So what it is is a giant screen that's made out of Kevlar, and then it's got...

00:00:34.000 Like a projector projects HD images of elk and deer.

00:00:39.000 You can set it up for a bunch of different animals, but elk and deer walk across the screen and you shoot at them and it's like the perfect...

00:00:46.000 We showed a little video of Shane doing it earlier.

00:00:49.000 It's really cool, man.

00:00:50.000 It's a perfect practice for bowhunting because one of the things about bowhunting is you get nervous.

00:00:57.000 And the more you could do something like this where you just shot a perfect shot, the more you could do that over and over and over again, the more it becomes ingrained in your nervous system, ingrained in your muscles, ingrained in your memory.

00:01:09.000 And then it becomes natural.

00:01:10.000 Yeah, it's awesome.

00:01:12.000 Yeah, it's pretty dope.

00:01:13.000 We're going to make this podcast about 15 minutes long and go back and shoot to our...

00:01:18.000 Yeah, that's what we're actually talking about, cutting off the podcast short just for that.

00:01:21.000 So tell me about this movie, man.

00:01:23.000 Yeah, so I'm in LA for the premiere, the HBO premiere of The Momentum Generation.

00:01:29.000 It's a sports documentary that HBO and Robert Redford did.

00:01:35.000 So it's cool, man.

00:01:36.000 It's really cool.

00:01:38.000 It's a story about my friends and I. We all grew up competitive surfers and in high school we all sort of met each other through competitions, competing.

00:01:47.000 So this tells a story Of how we met, how we grew up, and how we became friends and family basically traveling around the world together as basically little kids with no chaperones on tour around the world. 0.98

00:02:01.000 So it's fucking crazy. 0.94

00:02:03.000 It's a wild story. 0.99

00:02:04.000 Pull this up.

00:02:05.000 Keep this like a fist away from your face.

00:02:07.000 How old were you when you first started surfing?

00:02:10.000 I started surfing on a stand-up surfboard when I was five.

00:02:13.000 And when did you start traveling to surf?

00:02:16.000 When I was 12, I went to England for the World Amateur Championships.

00:02:21.000 Wow.

00:02:22.000 So I was on the Hawaii team.

00:02:24.000 So you've been just doing this traveling, surfing thing most of your life?

00:02:28.000 Yeah.

00:02:29.000 Wow.

00:02:29.000 It's crazy.

00:02:30.000 That is nuts, man.

00:02:32.000 I've been putting my surfboards in a board bag and walking out the door with my passport since I was 12 and going to so many different destinations around the world literally just for surfing.

00:02:44.000 Wow. 1.00

00:02:44.000 Fucking nuts. 1.00

00:02:45.000 This is such a crazy way to grow up. 1.00

00:02:46.000 And that's the cool thing about the film is all of us had that in common.

00:02:50.000 And it's crazy the way the story's set up too because there's so many things in it that I didn't really realize were happening at the time.

00:02:57.000 Like I came from a broken family, alcoholic father, you know, kind of a radical situation at home.

00:03:06.000 And then like a lot of us had like broken families.

00:03:08.000 A lot of us had that in common. 0.79

00:03:10.000 So we sort of have like this weird fucked up family dynamic in common.

00:03:16.000 So we all became sort of like our own family on the road. 0.72

00:03:19.000 So we were competing for a world title.

00:03:21.000 We were all competing and going around the world all the time staying together.

00:03:25.000 So we became best friends, like this nucleus of surfers.

00:03:28.000 And we all just became ultra close.

00:03:30.000 And then when things got really serious, with the surfing competition, there was a lot on the line with sponsors and money and big brands coming in. 0.99

00:03:38.000 The shit hit the fan, and then we started breaking up. 0.98

00:03:41.000 It got too serious. 1.00

00:03:43.000 It was almost like a band who just couldn't stand each other anymore, or things got too radical, or girls got in the way, or money got in the way.

00:03:50.000 So there was this kind of breaking up element throughout our group.

00:03:55.000 Wow.

00:03:56.000 I would imagine when you're living like that, those people must be so valuable for you, though.

00:04:01.000 People that can understand your way of life because it's their way of life, too.

00:04:06.000 Because to a regular person who commutes every day and goes to an office and comes home, your life is alien.

00:04:13.000 Yeah, it is.

00:04:14.000 I still get uncomfortable when people ask me what I do for a living.

00:04:21.000 I'll be in a normal, random setting and someone will be like, oh yeah, what do you do for a living?

00:04:25.000 And I'm like, no, do not ask me that.

00:04:28.000 Because nobody understands.

00:04:31.000 What do you tell them?

00:04:33.000 I tell them the truth, but it's...

00:04:34.000 I always tell them, like, it's really hard to explain, but I surf for a living. 0.99

00:04:40.000 I mean, what the fuck is that? 0.97

00:04:41.000 Yeah, do they go, how does that work? 0.99

00:04:43.000 How do you get paid?

00:04:44.000 Yes, all the time.

00:04:46.000 And I just go, I have no idea.

00:04:47.000 Well, you don't necessarily compete any longer, right?

00:04:50.000 No, not at all.

00:04:52.000 You just ride big waves.

00:04:53.000 I do.

00:04:53.000 I ride big waves.

00:04:54.000 That's my focus.

00:04:55.000 And I also ride all kinds of waves.

00:04:57.000 I surf every day.

00:04:58.000 And, you know, the waves don't get big that often.

00:05:00.000 But when the waves are biggest, I'm on it.

00:05:03.000 For a person that is just meeting you for the first time and doesn't understand surfing and is trying to wrap their head around making a living riding the waves of the ocean.

00:05:16.000 It's like, how?

00:05:17.000 Why?

00:05:17.000 What?

00:05:18.000 That's weird.

00:05:18.000 Like, wait a minute.

00:05:19.000 No, I went to accounting school.

00:05:21.000 And I don't have, there's not like a, there's nothing, I mean, there's not like another category I can really point to to make the point go quicker.

00:05:30.000 There's not like, you know, it's like there's basketball players and football players and all of them are like scoring goals and getting these brand endorsements from that, from competition elements.

00:05:40.000 Right.

00:05:40.000 Because I'm a free surfer who doesn't compete at all, it's just hard to wrap your head around.

00:05:46.000 That's even harder.

00:05:47.000 Basically, I have a large surfing profile, and so I work with a lot of brands, and that's just kind of the way it works.

00:05:57.000 It just sponsors.

00:05:58.000 Yeah.

00:05:59.000 Now, this movie, this documentary, do they have footage of you guys from when you were really young?

00:06:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:06:04.000 Yeah, they do.

00:06:05.000 Is that weird, watching that stuff?

00:06:07.000 Yeah.

00:06:08.000 Very weird.

00:06:09.000 Because we're all in our 40s now.

00:06:10.000 We all got kids.

00:06:12.000 For most of us, except for Kelly, Kelly's still going.

00:06:15.000 He's 46 years old.

00:06:17.000 I saw him on your show the other day.

00:06:18.000 It was pretty classic.

00:06:20.000 So he's like a focal point in the film.

00:06:22.000 He's part of the momentum generation.

00:06:25.000 And so there's incredible footage of him when he's, you know, nine years old or ten years old and he's in Florida like a little rat, like a little sunburned rat.

00:06:34.000 And it's neat, you know, I mean, we all had that in common.

00:06:37.000 We all grew up in different places and then we all fell in love with surfing, you know, separately and then we all just became super tight.

00:06:46.000 Wow.

00:06:46.000 It's great.

00:06:47.000 And then now we're all like best friends again because there's no...

00:06:50.000 There's no points on the line or world title on the line or like brands getting in the way or girls getting in the way.

00:06:55.000 We're all, you know.

00:06:57.000 Yeah.

00:06:57.000 We're finally growing up.

00:07:00.000 That, I mean, that had to be strange, though, to be so tight and then everything sort of get bottlenecked by the pressure.

00:07:08.000 Yeah.

00:07:10.000 And you think serving, how much pressure could there be?

00:07:12.000 But, you know, we're all trying to make a living, right?

00:07:14.000 It's like, you know, that was our dream to, like, surf as much as possible and see the world.

00:07:18.000 And that's the only way you could do it for us.

00:07:20.000 Whenever there's competition, there's got to be massive amounts of pressure.

00:07:24.000 Whenever there's someone trying to achieve something or someone trying to rise to the top of a profession and you're surrounded by a bunch...

00:07:31.000 But you also must have pushed each other, too.

00:07:33.000 And it must have been beneficial to have people like you around as well.

00:07:38.000 I think it's part of...

00:07:42.000 It's just, you know, I think it's like part of our human DNA to be naturally competitive.

00:07:48.000 I think especially men.

00:07:49.000 I think we feel like we have something to prove.

00:07:51.000 You know, like where we stand compared to the other guys.

00:07:54.000 Whether it was like in the caveman days or like the first hunters where it was like, for sure they were competitive to see who could bring home meat for the tribe.

00:08:04.000 And then it just kept going from there.

00:08:07.000 And now we compete with whatever we're into.

00:08:10.000 You know, for us with surfing, we became hyper-competitive.

00:08:14.000 And especially me, like from the time I was like maybe 16 or 17 until the time I was like my mid-20s, I was like super competitive where I want to rip people's heads off in my heat.

00:08:24.000 Like I would like visualize horrible, horrible things happening to them while I was competing against them.

00:08:29.000 Like what?

00:08:30.000 And it's so crazy how that's gone, 100% gone from my being now.

00:08:36.000 I can't even imagine doing that.

00:08:37.000 I'm like the most relaxed, non-competitive person.

00:08:40.000 I have no competitiveness left in my body.

00:08:42.000 Well, I've only known you for, what, four years or something like that?

00:08:45.000 In those years, I could not imagine you having evil thoughts towards someone.

00:08:50.000 You seem so chill. 1.00

00:08:51.000 I was a shit talker. 0.99

00:08:53.000 Were you really? 1.00

00:08:53.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00

00:08:54.000 I... I remember I was surfing against this guy, Damien Hardman, and he was like an Australian world champion.

00:09:01.000 He was like an older generation.

00:09:02.000 We were from the young, like new school generation.

00:09:04.000 We were coming up and there's these established guys who didn't want to, you know, like be dethroned.

00:09:09.000 And there was this guy, Damien Hardman, who was a badass competitive surfer, but he was a very like tactician, conservative, you never fall.

00:09:19.000 He seemed like a nerd to me, you know what I mean?

00:09:20.000 I was like this raw kid from Hawaii and this guy was like so presentable and professional and I just like resented it and I was in a heat with him and he got priority which means that he had first right of wave and I just needed a tiny little score to win and he basically sat on me which means he used his priority to chase me around the lineup and sit on me and keep me from getting a wave and let the time run out.

00:09:45.000 Oh.

00:09:46.000 And the whole time I was like, you surf like a girl. 1.00

00:09:48.000 You surf like a little bitch. 1.00

00:09:50.000 I was totally shit-talking him. 1.00

00:09:53.000 Did it work? 0.99

00:09:54.000 Did he get you?

00:09:56.000 He got me because I basically cracked and started getting emotional and he loved it.

00:10:03.000 I got this guy beat. 0.99

00:10:05.000 He started to shit talk me. 0.98

00:10:07.000 He actually came up to me later and goes, I love it that you're that passionate. 0.99

00:10:11.000 I love it that you got that psyched and that emotional where you just started trying to insult me.

00:10:15.000 He's like, that's my goal when I'm in heat with people is to get them to that point.

00:10:20.000 You know, it must like that's that's good.

00:10:22.000 There's got to be a lot of parallels the fight world, right?

00:10:25.000 Huge.

00:10:26.000 Yeah.

00:10:26.000 Well, it's also when when you can get someone emotional, then they're fighting in particular is so dangerous.

00:10:33.000 And so when you lose, you're not just losing like someone's taking a piece of you. 0.98

00:10:39.000 They're fucking you up. 0.97

00:10:41.000 It's not just beating you on points. 1.00

00:10:44.000 They are beating you on points sometimes, but they're punching you in the face to beat you on those points. 0.72

00:10:48.000 They're kicking you in the body. 0.99

00:10:50.000 They're fucking your legs up. 1.00

00:10:51.000 There's something about that that's so intensely emotional. 0.99

00:10:55.000 So when...

00:10:57.000 If you're fighting at your best, you have to be in this sort of flow state, this sort of zen, not thinking about anything but what's happening and reacting and just going on your training and your instincts.

00:11:07.000 And if you can get a guy to be angry and emotional, it will...

00:11:12.000 Severely impair, for most fighters, severely impair your ability to perform.

00:11:17.000 Most fighters, they lose, they get tense, they tighten up, they look to wind up instead of just letting things flow.

00:11:23.000 We're talking about this guy, Stylebender, who fought this weekend.

00:11:26.000 That guy flows.

00:11:28.000 Like, when you watch him fight, he just flows.

00:11:31.000 I mean, he walks into the octagon dancing.

00:11:34.000 I mean, like, full-on dancing.

00:11:36.000 Like popping and moving and strutting.

00:11:38.000 How's that mindset?

00:11:38.000 He just gets loose.

00:11:40.000 And when he gets in there, he's switching stances. 0.99

00:11:43.000 But there was a mad shit-talking session between these two guys for the last six weeks. 0.97

00:11:49.000 But he stayed calm through the whole thing. 0.99

00:11:52.000 And you could see when the two got into the octagon, Derrick Brunson just couldn't wait to just grab a hold of him. 0.71

00:11:58.000 And Stylebender just avoided all that shit and wound up KOing him in the first round. 1.00

00:12:03.000 The emotional aspect of the shit talking and the tension that it brings because it tightens guys up. 0.99

00:12:10.000 Like we were talking about bow hunting. 0.99

00:12:11.000 Like you see a big elk.

00:12:13.000 You have one shot at a big elk.

00:12:16.000 One shot. 1.00

00:12:16.000 You draw back your bow and you're like, holy shit. 1.00

00:12:19.000 And it's literally a life or death moment. 0.98

00:12:21.000 So there's all this tension.

00:12:23.000 And if you could alleviate that tension, that pressure, you would perform better.

00:12:27.000 The mindset is everything.

00:12:29.000 It's everything.

00:12:30.000 It really is.

00:12:31.000 I'm sure it's everything with golf.

00:12:32.000 It's everything with pool.

00:12:34.000 It's everything with any time there's something on the line.

00:12:37.000 Well, what's fascinating is, like, for you, like, you've watched thousands of fights, like, ringside, right?

00:12:42.000 Yeah, sure.

00:12:43.000 So, like, you must be like, okay, we're in the second round, and this guy is, you know, these two guys are, like, up and up.

00:12:50.000 It's, you know, it's like a super tight fight.

00:12:52.000 And you go, this is a good fight.

00:12:53.000 And there must be inflection points where you instantly know that one guy is going to lose.

00:12:57.000 Like something happens with their psyche or something happens with their, you can see it in their eyes, you can see it in their body language, all of a sudden they lose that edge, that mindset, and they basically have already lost, even though it's like right in the middle of the round.

00:13:10.000 Sometimes, yeah.

00:13:10.000 And then you see one guy that's like...

00:13:12.000 One of the crazy things about fighting is it's so unpredictable.

00:13:15.000 Even when you think a guy's gonna lose, sometimes they come back and win by knockout, like out of nowhere.

00:13:20.000 I watched that fight.

00:13:20.000 It's just a crazy sport.

00:13:22.000 Darren Lewis?

00:13:22.000 Yeah, the guy with the awesome Instagram.

00:13:24.000 Yeah. 0.89

00:13:25.000 The big black dude. 0.95

00:13:26.000 Dude, he was losing that fight. 0.91

00:13:28.000 I'm not a fight nerd. 1.00

00:13:30.000 No, he was getting fucked up. 0.98

00:13:31.000 I'm like, dude, that guy's losing the fight. 0.99

00:13:33.000 There's zero chance to win.

00:13:34.000 Next thing you know, he won.

00:13:35.000 That was so exciting.

00:13:37.000 Volkov, the guy he beat, had just beaten Fabrizio Verdum, who was a former heavyweight champion, beat him by knockout.

00:13:43.000 So Alexander's the real deal.

00:13:46.000 I mean, he was what I thought was the dark horse in the heavyweight division.

00:13:49.000 But he stood in front of Derrick for too long. 1.00

00:13:52.000 And Derrick hit him with a fucking bomb. 0.99

00:13:54.000 He had hurt him earlier, too, because Derrick hit him and knocked his mouthpiece out. 1.00

00:13:59.000 And he didn't know his mouthpiece was gone.

00:14:01.000 So the referee was trying to give him the mouthpiece.

00:14:03.000 And he's like, no, that's not my mouthpiece.

00:14:04.000 That's his mouthpiece. 1.00

00:14:05.000 And the referee's like, motherfucker, you don't have a mouthpiece. 1.00

00:14:07.000 I'm holding your mouthpiece. 1.00

00:14:09.000 That's your mindset.

00:14:10.000 He's in the zone, dude.

00:14:11.000 I don't think he was in the zone.

00:14:12.000 I think he was in space.

00:14:13.000 Well, that's that mindset of me.

00:14:16.000 I think he'd already been clipped, you know?

00:14:18.000 But fighting, like, the nature of fighting is built for competition.

00:14:23.000 It's perfectly suited to competition.

00:14:24.000 Surfing's not.

00:14:25.000 Right, right.

00:14:26.000 Surfing, I think surfing is, like, the least suited for competition.

00:14:29.000 I don't see surfing as a sport whatsoever.

00:14:31.000 Because when you're on the wave, you have to be zen.

00:14:34.000 You have to go with the flow of the wave.

00:14:36.000 You're not really competing against another person, per se, even though you are.

00:14:39.000 You're really riding the wave.

00:14:41.000 And you're being judged.

00:14:42.000 Yeah.

00:14:42.000 Which is weird.

00:14:43.000 Because it's artistic.

00:14:44.000 By humans.

00:14:44.000 Yeah.

00:14:45.000 But I think the single most important aspect of surfing that makes it not good for competition is you're dealing with Mother Nature.

00:14:54.000 Right.

00:14:54.000 It's completely unfair.

00:14:55.000 Right, right, right.

00:14:56.000 You might get an awesome wave. 0.66

00:14:58.000 The next guy might get a shitty one.

00:15:00.000 Yeah, some kid who, on a scale of 1 to 10, their ability level is like a 3, can beat Kelly Slater in a heat easily. 0.77

00:15:09.000 Because it's just like if that kid gets the best waves in the heat and Kelly accidentally falls, he loses.

00:15:15.000 That's just the way it is.

00:15:16.000 Where if I was playing LeBron James a thousand games in a row, I'm never going to win.

00:15:22.000 I'm never going to win.

00:15:23.000 It's impossible.

00:15:25.000 But, I mean, surf competition is cool, but surfing is just as a lifestyle, as, like, a way to, like, stay sane and have peace in your life and meet friends.

00:15:35.000 That's what surfing is about.

00:15:36.000 Surfing is fucking awesome for that. 0.94

00:15:38.000 Do you think you appreciate it more now that you're not competing? 0.91

00:15:40.000 Yeah, I do.

00:15:42.000 Because I don't see it.

00:15:44.000 The surfing to me is tied to only happiness and only surfing with my son and his friends and surfing with my daughter and going to the beach and traveling to get epic waves.

00:15:57.000 It's not about pressure and points and a world title and sponsors putting pressure on me and me putting pressure on myself.

00:16:06.000 Basically, the pressure part of surfing is gone, which is amazing.

00:16:13.000 I still put pressure on myself to surf at a high level and perform at a high level to myself.

00:16:20.000 And be able to have an A-game still, for sure.

00:16:24.000 I love that.

00:16:25.000 I love the performance aspect of surfing.

00:16:28.000 But the actual competition part is gone for me.

00:16:31.000 It's so cool though that you kept the love of it after the competition was gone because like one of the things that happens to some...

00:16:39.000 well, it definitely happens to fighters.

00:16:41.000 They retire and they get fat.

00:16:43.000 They don't want to work out anymore because the working out was so torturous and it felt so much like work that after it's over, whatever love they had for martial arts sort of goes out the window and they start putting on weight.

00:16:54.000 They don't want to train anymore.

00:16:56.000 But you, even after the competition was over, you kept the love.

00:17:03.000 Yeah.

00:17:03.000 Surfing is just a unique thing.

00:17:05.000 I don't know how you can fall out of love with surfing.

00:17:08.000 Surfing, from the moment I stood on a surfboard and rode my first wave, I knew that was who I was in my DNA. Wow.

00:17:15.000 Pure and simple.

00:17:16.000 This is who I am.

00:17:18.000 First wave.

00:17:19.000 My yoga teacher's become obsessed with DNA. My yoga teacher's become obsessed with surfing.

00:17:26.000 All of her Instagram now is just surfing.

00:17:28.000 She just surfs every day now.

00:17:29.000 That's so weird.

00:17:30.000 Out of nowhere.

00:17:30.000 And like 35 years old, she found surfing.

00:17:34.000 Surfing's a weird thing, but it takes...

00:17:36.000 There's not very many things that are really similar to surfing in that way, where you can fall in love with it being five years old or 80 years old.

00:17:45.000 Yeah, well, I would think being a yoga teacher, too, like, she's got incredible balance, right? 0.95

00:17:50.000 Like, having balance would probably really help your ability to pick that up.

00:17:54.000 You know what's cool about surfing is it's...

00:17:56.000 You know, like, if I... Let's see.

00:18:02.000 If I... If I took 100 people and said, all you guys are going to learn how to drive a race car, and you had like a six-week course, just pure race car driving, 100 of those people are going to become really good at driving cars and going super fast and racing,

00:18:17.000 and they'll have this really accelerated learning curve and get pretty damn good at it.

00:18:21.000 Snowboarding, yoga, like almost anything. 0.99

00:18:24.000 Surfing, like I know people who have been surfing for three decades, and they suck. 0.99

00:18:30.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:18:32.000 I'm serious.

00:18:34.000 What is it?

00:18:35.000 They've never gotten a tube, like in the tube.

00:18:37.000 That's like the holy grail of surfing, like riding inside the waves, like right in the center of it.

00:18:44.000 Surfing's freaking hard, man.

00:18:46.000 It's like, I don't know.

00:18:51.000 But it doesn't mean you have to be good to enjoy it.

00:18:54.000 Surfing's awesome no matter what level you're at, and that's the beauty of surfing.

00:18:57.000 But...

00:18:58.000 Surfing is hard to do, man.

00:18:59.000 It's really hard to get good at.

00:19:00.000 So that's why you get people surfing five years and they're pretty good and there's people who surf 50 years and they've never been good.

00:19:06.000 But what is it?

00:19:07.000 Is it a balance issue?

00:19:09.000 Is it ability to adjust?

00:19:12.000 Your ability to correct while things are happening?

00:19:15.000 What is it?

00:19:16.000 I think a lot of it is body awareness.

00:19:19.000 And just adapting to something that's changing all the time.

00:19:22.000 Say, for instance, basketball.

00:19:27.000 The hoop's there, the basketball's in your hands.

00:19:29.000 The element's never changed.

00:19:31.000 There's no variables, really, besides some dude trying to block it.

00:19:35.000 Or golf.

00:19:36.000 You got the club, you got the ball, you got the hole.

00:19:37.000 But with surfing, you got your board and you got you, but the wave's never the same.

00:19:42.000 There's literally never one wave's not the same to any others in the world.

00:19:46.000 So every single time, you're adapting to things that are changing in real time, like up to the millisecond, the wave's changing shape as you're riding it.

00:19:54.000 So you're never reacting to something that is going to stay put.

00:20:00.000 You're anticipating the wave changing shape, and that's what you're going to...

00:20:03.000 Like, I'm going to do a bottom turn into a big turn or an aerial maneuver or whatever it is, but you're not reacting to something that's happening now.

00:20:09.000 You're reacting to the future.

00:20:11.000 Does that make sense?

00:20:12.000 Yeah, it does make sense.

00:20:14.000 Now, if I was a guy who had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked, and I was friends with you...

00:20:18.000 You would still love it.

00:20:20.000 Still?

00:20:20.000 Yeah.

00:20:21.000 Surfing's awesome.

00:20:22.000 You can be the biggest kook in the world and have the most fun. 0.98

00:20:24.000 That's why surfing's so cool. 0.99

00:20:25.000 Is that what someone who sucks is called? 0.99

00:20:26.000 A kook? 1.00

00:20:27.000 No.

00:20:29.000 What's a kook?

00:20:30.000 A kook is someone who has no awareness in the water. 1.00

00:20:34.000 Oh.

00:20:35.000 That's really what a kook is.

00:20:36.000 A kook?

00:20:37.000 Like if I'm out there surfing and I'm sitting out there and I'm waiting for a wave and you paddle out and I've been waiting for a wave for a long time or some 16-year-old girl is out there surfing and she's been waiting for 15-20 minutes and you paddle out and you paddle right past her and the next wave that comes in and you just turn around and go,

00:20:55.000 you're a kook. 0.59

00:20:56.000 Okay, so that's defying etiquette. 0.98

00:20:58.000 If you're unaware of the situation, yeah.

00:21:00.000 That's how people get in fights, surfing, right?

00:21:03.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:04.000 Which is common.

00:21:05.000 Yeah.

00:21:07.000 Well, a lot of surfers are really into jiu-jitsu.

00:21:09.000 Probably pretty dangerous to pick a fight with a surfer.

00:21:12.000 Oh, yeah.

00:21:13.000 It is.

00:21:13.000 What is that one guy's name?

00:21:15.000 Joel from Hawaii...

00:21:18.000 He's from San Diego.

00:21:19.000 What's his name?

00:21:20.000 Joel Tudor.

00:21:20.000 Yes.

00:21:21.000 Yeah.

00:21:21.000 He's a Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu black belt.

00:21:23.000 He is.

00:21:23.000 Yeah.

00:21:24.000 And you would never know it.

00:21:25.000 Yeah, he looks like so unassuming.

00:21:27.000 Yeah.

00:21:27.000 He looks like a guy who fixes computers.

00:21:29.000 He is. 0.97

00:21:30.000 And he's a stony, baloney, super skinny, hippie, cruisy dude with like stony eyes. 1.00

00:21:37.000 But he'll fuck you up. 1.00

00:21:38.000 He will fuck you up. 1.00

00:21:40.000 But he's cool, man. 1.00

00:21:41.000 He's awesome.

00:21:42.000 And he's an incredible surfer.

00:21:43.000 Incredible surfer.

00:21:44.000 I've seen some footage of him surfing.

00:21:46.000 Amazing style and stuff.

00:21:47.000 But he's very unassuming.

00:21:50.000 There's Joel.

00:21:51.000 His jiu-jitsu is super legit, too.

00:21:53.000 I've talked to people that have trained with him.

00:21:55.000 They say he's super legit.

00:21:57.000 He'll tie you up.

00:21:57.000 And I would imagine that from that background, like surfing and that body awareness and the ability to adjust and change, that's one of the things about jujitsu is like every role is different.

00:22:09.000 You're rolling with different people, different sized people, and your ability to adjust and change is always changing.

00:22:14.000 I mean, it's always movement.

00:22:16.000 That's exactly right.

00:22:17.000 You have to adapt to that weirdness of the movement.

00:22:19.000 So jujitsu and surfing, they totally have their similarities because you're sort of anticipating the guy's next move, which is very similar to surfing and the wave.

00:22:28.000 You're reacting to what that guy's going to do in the future, not to what's happening right that very second, right?

00:22:33.000 A lot of times. 0.97

00:22:34.000 If I was a guy that had been surfing for 30 years and I sucked, and I knew you, I'd be like, hey Shane Dorian, what the fuck am I doing wrong? 0.97

00:22:42.000 How do I fix this? 0.97

00:22:45.000 Yeah, I don't know.

00:22:47.000 Is there fixing it?

00:22:48.000 Serving's not like golf, where you need to get better all the time.

00:22:52.000 You know what I'm saying? 0.99

00:22:54.000 You can enjoy it even if you suck. 0.99

00:22:56.000 Is that what you mean? 0.52

00:22:56.000 If you're a golfer and your average game is like an 82, and I said, Joe, if you buy this putter for $1,000, your average score will be an 80. You're going to buy that putter because it's the freaking world to you to shave two strokes off your game. 0.52

00:23:13.000 That's the biggest thing in the world to improve. 0.99

00:23:15.000 No one gives a shit if they're slightly better at surfing. 0.82

00:23:21.000 All you care about is waking up at the crack of dawn and having your coffee, cruising down to the beach, seeing the waves and reading the tides and the wind and the... 0.96

00:23:29.000 And like going surfing with your buddies and having fun.

00:23:31.000 And then you go get breakfast and get some breakfast tacos and go to work.

00:23:35.000 That's the lifestyle.

00:23:36.000 It's like keeps people sane.

00:23:37.000 That's why they do it.

00:23:38.000 They don't do it to get better or surf super good or go really fast.

00:23:42.000 And that stuff's fun.

00:23:43.000 But I mean, I don't have any more fun than a guy who surfs half as good as me.

00:23:50.000 We have the same amount of fun.

00:23:52.000 But I bet he wishes he could surf as good as you.

00:23:54.000 Yeah, for sure.

00:23:56.000 And I wish I surfed as good as the best surfer on earth, but it doesn't make it more fun.

00:24:01.000 That's why I love surfing.

00:24:02.000 That's why it's so cool.

00:24:03.000 That's fascinating.

00:24:04.000 So what doesn't make it more if you want to get better at it?

00:24:07.000 If it doesn't make it more fun, what doesn't make it more?

00:24:10.000 It does something.

00:24:12.000 If it doesn't make it more fun, does it make it more satisfying if you're better at it?

00:24:15.000 Like when you surf at a high level, which is important to you now.

00:24:19.000 It gives you more options because the waves get big.

00:24:21.000 Right.

00:24:22.000 Which makes you more fun.

00:24:23.000 So it's really difficult to surf really big waves with really low ability.

00:24:27.000 Right.

00:24:27.000 So when the waves get big and really heavy and technical, you can't go out there unless you have really good ability level.

00:24:34.000 Unless you have a high ability level, you really can't perform in really great, great conditions. 0.94

00:24:40.000 Right, so like when you see the crazy conditions where you guys get towed out and you ride those 80-foot waves, that kind of shit, no one who's goofy is doing that.

00:24:51.000 There's some goofy guys doing that because you're using machines to tow you into waves. 0.97

00:24:54.000 Is that you?

00:24:55.000 Oh, Jesus, Shane!

00:24:56.000 Get out of there! 1.00

00:24:57.000 Oh, fuck! 1.00

00:24:59.000 That just gives me such anxiety watching this. 1.00

00:25:01.000 How big is that wave?

00:25:03.000 I don't know, probably 60 feet on the face at the start. 1.00

00:25:05.000 God damn, son! 0.99

00:25:07.000 What does that feel like right there when it's over? 1.00

00:25:10.000 This part's cool, watch.

00:25:11.000 I get air on the way down.

00:25:12.000 Oh my god.

00:25:13.000 You'll see my board gets completely in the air.

00:25:15.000 Right there.

00:25:17.000 Dude, you are so high.

00:25:20.000 That is so high.

00:25:21.000 That wave is so giant.

00:25:23.000 It's like 40 feet above your head right now.

00:25:26.000 Oh my god, this gives me anxiety.

00:25:28.000 You know what's cool about surfing is in those moments, like, there's very few things in the world other than like, I don't know, I don't know how to relate that.

00:25:36.000 But like that moment right there for me was like the pinnacle of like, who I am, what I do best.

00:25:44.000 That moment, that wave coming in at that minute in my life where I was in the right square foot of the ocean, when that wave came in, that was one of the best days in history at that surf spot.

00:25:55.000 Wow.

00:25:55.000 And I was there.

00:25:56.000 I was prepared.

00:25:57.000 I was healthy.

00:25:57.000 I had the right board, the right equipment, the right energy level.

00:26:00.000 I wasn't sick.

00:26:00.000 I didn't have any, you know, everything was just lined up and the waves were lined up and the swell was lined up and the wind was lined up and the tide was lined up and I was in the perfect spot when that wave came in.

00:26:10.000 Do you watch that video all the time?

00:26:11.000 No.

00:26:12.000 But every time I do, I remember all those things because it seems so much luck had to do with it.

00:26:17.000 It's just like the stars aligning.

00:26:19.000 It almost seems like something I want to watch every day.

00:26:22.000 Get the day going.

00:26:24.000 You know your first kiss from a girl?

00:26:26.000 Yeah.

00:26:27.000 That's what that is.

00:26:28.000 Wow.

00:26:29.000 That, like, mind-blown.

00:26:32.000 Like, whoa!

00:26:32.000 This is, like, an important moment in my life.

00:26:35.000 I need to, like, have this moment in time frozen.

00:26:37.000 That's what that is right there.

00:26:38.000 And so, I think as an adult, you very rarely have those moments left. 0.94

00:26:43.000 I mean, like, really, like, mind-expanding, mind-exploding moments where you're like, holy shit, this is life. 0.90

00:26:49.000 100% life right now. 0.93

00:26:51.000 And that's what I think we're all chasing.

00:26:54.000 You know what I mean?

00:26:54.000 Those people sitting in traffic outside right now driving the freeway, they're not having those moments.

00:26:58.000 Not right then.

00:26:59.000 That's a real problem.

00:27:01.000 Yeah.

00:27:01.000 That's a real problem with life is that people aren't having enough of those moments.

00:27:04.000 And when you're 75 yards away from that elk a few weeks ago and you had an hour to really think about what you're doing and where you were in your life and how you got to 75 yards away from this animal. 0.91

00:27:18.000 The whole year of practicing on the target and all the millions of arrows you shot and all the preparation and then this thing stands up and time's ticking and that moment's there for the taking and it's so easy to fuck up and it all happens the way that you hope to visualize it. 0.80

00:27:36.000 Those moments don't happen very often, man.

00:27:39.000 No, they don't.

00:27:40.000 That is what a lot of people like yourself or myself are chasing.

00:27:45.000 You're always chasing these above average moments, these high level moments, these moments where just everything's elevated.

00:27:55.000 Like when you're drawn back on a big elk.

00:27:58.000 There's not another thing in your mind.

00:28:00.000 There's nothing on your mind other than your shot execution and getting it done and everything's heightened and all this pressure around you.

00:28:07.000 Some guys shake.

00:28:09.000 I've seen some guys drawn back on an animal and their arms are shaking.

00:28:12.000 They're shaking.

00:28:14.000 You see it in everything.

00:28:16.000 There's so much anticipation.

00:28:17.000 They could barely keep it together.

00:28:19.000 I mean, that's what target panic is, right?

00:28:21.000 There's all this freak out juice.

00:28:24.000 There's a lot of different levels.

00:28:26.000 I've seen guys do that where they had a perfect shot, opportunity, animals standing 20 yards away, broadside, exactly what you pray for.

00:28:35.000 And they get in the shakes and they have to let down.

00:28:38.000 Let down.

00:28:39.000 Wow.

00:28:39.000 They don't even take a bad shot.

00:28:40.000 They'd let down and just say, I can't do it.

00:28:42.000 Just too much anxiety. 0.97

00:28:43.000 That's probably better than shooting them. 0.98

00:28:45.000 Oh, it's much better. 0.93

00:28:45.000 Yeah, for sure. 0.93

00:28:46.000 That's smart.

00:28:47.000 Yeah, it's better for the animal.

00:28:48.000 That's an aware person.

00:28:49.000 Yeah, it is.

00:28:50.000 But, I mean, I think human beings are meant to have a lot of those kind of experiences.

00:28:56.000 Those experiences make life richer and more satisfying.

00:28:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

00:28:59.000 You know, I mean sounds like to people who love animals like oh you piece of shit You want to kill an animal and that makes life better? 1.00

00:29:05.000 It's not that like you're you're I'm eating meat no matter what I feel better when I eat meat. 0.99

00:29:11.000 I believe it's healthier I've had these discussions with nutritionists and scientists and I just think it's better for you I really do and to for me to get it that way is way better because I'm getting My meat along with this insane hobby that's super difficult to do.

00:29:29.000 I mean, I could go out and just shoot a bunch of pigs with a rifle, and I could get my meat that way.

00:29:34.000 And it would still be fun, it would still be thrilling, it would still be ethical. 0.95

00:29:37.000 It wouldn't be the same, though.

00:29:39.000 It's not the same experience.

00:29:41.000 No.

00:29:41.000 I mean, do you hunt 100% just for meat?

00:29:45.000 You can get meat at the store.

00:29:46.000 Like, the experience of those moments out there with your friends and under the pressure and...

00:29:52.000 And just putting yourself in that position where you need to make it count, that's part of our human existence.

00:29:58.000 That's part of what makes life worth living is having to, I don't even know, but just where like, you know...

00:30:12.000 I don't know.

00:30:13.000 But yeah, I know what you mean.

00:30:15.000 You can get meat at the store, but you can't get wild elk at the store, and you can't get it that way.

00:30:20.000 There's just such a giant difference between your relationship with the meat that you're eating.

00:30:25.000 When I take an elk steak out of the freezer, and I defrost it, and I season it, Your food looks amazing, by the way.

00:30:33.000 Like, really, really good.

00:30:33.000 I'm getting good at it.

00:30:34.000 Yeah.

00:30:34.000 You are getting good at it.

00:30:35.000 Well, the week after you were at Elk Camp in Utah, we were there with Chad Ward, Whiskey Bent Barbecue on Instagram, who's a master chef. 0.99

00:30:45.000 I mean, he's a fucking wizard. 0.99

00:30:47.000 He's a pit master. 1.00

00:30:48.000 He wins, like, those world championships and shit, and he taught me how to cook it properly. 0.99

00:30:52.000 That's awesome. 0.99

00:30:53.000 And, you know, it's all about doing it slow and then searing it afterwards.

00:30:56.000 Right.

00:30:57.000 And you just maintain all the juiciness.

00:30:59.000 How many people screw that up?

00:31:00.000 Everybody.

00:31:00.000 Yeah.

00:31:01.000 Even one of the guides.

00:31:02.000 One of the guides was talking to me about, you know, he said wild game is kind of tough.

00:31:06.000 And we were like, well, how are you cooking it?

00:31:08.000 He's like, well, I just throw it on the grill.

00:31:09.000 Like, okay, you can't do that.

00:31:11.000 You can't just throw it on high heat, too.

00:31:12.000 Yeah, high heat.

00:31:13.000 Yeah.

00:31:14.000 They basically sear it and then serve it.

00:31:16.000 Yeah.

00:31:16.000 This is not sashimi.

00:31:18.000 Right.

00:31:19.000 Well, you can, if you do it real thin.

00:31:22.000 Slice it crazy thin.

00:31:23.000 Yeah, you can cook it like that.

00:31:24.000 Like carpaccio.

00:31:25.000 It's not bad.

00:31:26.000 But it's way better if you do it low and slow.

00:31:29.000 Yeah.

00:31:29.000 I've brought it down to 225 now.

00:31:31.000 I like to cook it at 225. Yeah.

00:31:33.000 I just set it at 225 and I'll cook an elk steak for fucking an hour. 0.99

00:31:38.000 Yeah. 0.98

00:31:39.000 You know?

00:31:39.000 Whatever it takes.

00:31:40.000 You do that on Traeger?

00:31:40.000 Yeah.

00:31:41.000 Because if you set a Traeger at 225, you use a setting called Super Smoke.

00:31:45.000 Yeah.

00:31:45.000 And so it just fills that, the inside of the smoker.

00:31:49.000 Those things are so good for Wild Game.

00:31:50.000 Oh, fantastic.

00:31:50.000 They really are.

00:31:51.000 Yeah.

00:31:52.000 It's all just...

00:31:52.000 The beautiful thing about them is...

00:31:54.000 The people don't know what we're talking about.

00:31:55.000 A Traeger is a pellet grill.

00:31:57.000 And these pellet grills...

00:31:59.000 Like this table's made out of oak, right?

00:32:01.000 When they cut this table, they would take the sawdust from this table and they compress it.

00:32:06.000 And just using the natural sugars in the wood, they create these pellets.

00:32:09.000 And then these pellet grills...

00:32:12.000 They have these worm drives that feed these pellets into a heating element, and the heating element, it just gets hot, and then fire, and then a fan blows on the fire to keep the fire going, and it's all computer controlled, so it calculates the exact same temperature, and it maintains that temperature.

00:32:29.000 It's so good, but it's just so pure.

00:32:31.000 It's just wood and fire.

00:32:33.000 No gas.

00:32:34.000 No chemicals like on charcoal briquettes. 0.99

00:32:38.000 No bullshit. 0.94

00:32:39.000 Food tastes so good off of things, too. 1.00

00:32:40.000 Fucking phenomenal. 0.99

00:32:41.000 Every time I have people over at my house and I cook well, game on my Traeger, I have these people like, what the hell? 0.99

00:32:46.000 I need to get one of these things.

00:32:47.000 I must have sold like a million of them right now.

00:32:48.000 Once you learn how to cook with them and learn how to do it correctly, they have those little ones now.

00:32:54.000 Especially Wild Game because Wild Game is really easy to screw up and it's really hard to screw it up on a Traeger.

00:32:58.000 Right.

00:32:58.000 It really is.

00:32:59.000 Because of the fact that it doesn't have much fat in it.

00:33:01.000 Yeah.

00:33:01.000 It doesn't dry it out.

00:33:02.000 It doesn't cook out the moisture and the flavor.

00:33:05.000 Right.

00:33:06.000 Do you take yours afterwards and set it in a cooler to let it rest?

00:33:10.000 I don't do that.

00:33:10.000 That's next level.

00:33:12.000 Is it?

00:33:12.000 See?

00:33:13.000 I'm getting gems here.

00:33:15.000 I'm getting gold.

00:33:16.000 This is from Dudley.

00:33:17.000 What he does is he'll sear it and then he'll cover it with aluminum foil and put it in a Traeger.

00:33:23.000 Or put it in a Yeti, rather.

00:33:24.000 Put it in a cooler and seal that cooler up for like 10 minutes.

00:33:28.000 What's in the cooler besides the meat?

00:33:30.000 Nothing.

00:33:31.000 There's no, like, a little, like, ice pack or anything like that to cool it down?

00:33:34.000 No, no, you don't want ice.

00:33:34.000 You don't want ice.

00:33:35.000 You just let it sit.

00:33:35.000 It's actually still cooking a little bit.

00:33:37.000 Okay, so I let it sit.

00:33:38.000 I let it sit, but I don't wrap it up in foil.

00:33:40.000 But if you wrap it in aluminum foil and then let it sit inside a cooler, the cooler actually allows it to continue cooking just a little bit.

00:33:48.000 Okay, so how many degrees do you take it out before it?

00:33:50.000 115. I like to take it out at 115, then I sear the outside of it, and then I seal it up with aluminum foil, and then I put it in the Yeti, and I let it sit in that Yeti for 10 minutes.

00:34:00.000 So it's continuing to slow.

00:34:03.000 Slowly.

00:34:04.000 Because if you take something warm and you put it in a Yeti, it'll keep it warm.

00:34:08.000 If you take something cold, it's just insulated.

00:34:10.000 Incredibly, fantastically insulated.

00:34:12.000 And so it works with heat or with cold.

00:34:14.000 Alright, alright, alright.

00:34:15.000 I'm gonna try it.

00:34:16.000 Talk to Dudley.

00:34:17.000 I will.

00:34:18.000 He's the wizard at this stuff.

00:34:19.000 And he's constantly cooking wild game.

00:34:22.000 Essentially, that's all he does.

00:34:23.000 He's a good cook.

00:34:24.000 He's a very good cook.

00:34:25.000 Have you ever been to his place?

00:34:26.000 He should be.

00:34:28.000 He does a lot of hunting.

00:34:29.000 He better be doing a lot of cooking, too.

00:34:30.000 Yeah.

00:34:31.000 He just drove all the way from Oklahoma to Kansas.

00:34:34.000 He shot a deer in Kansas, drove from, or not Kansas, Oklahoma.

00:34:40.000 Shot a deer in Oklahoma, drove all through the night in Oklahoma, and parked his truck and got into a blind in Iowa.

00:34:48.000 I mean, he just lives it.

00:34:49.000 He's hardcore.

00:34:51.000 He's as hardcore as you get.

00:34:52.000 Yeah.

00:34:53.000 But that's all he eats.

00:34:54.000 I mean, he's constantly eating deer and cooking deer.

00:34:57.000 And he loves cooking for other people, like large groups of friends and family.

00:35:01.000 And he's always cooking and entertaining.

00:35:03.000 I love that about him.

00:35:04.000 Like when we were on Lanai, he cooked for like 10 of us.

00:35:08.000 Yeah, that was awesome.

00:35:09.000 Incredible meals and everything was well gained.

00:35:11.000 It was freaking awesome.

00:35:12.000 That Lanai trip, man.

00:35:14.000 I look forward to that every year.

00:35:16.000 It's like the highlight of my year.

00:35:18.000 When are we doing it this year?

00:35:19.000 I know, right?

00:35:20.000 We've got to talk dates.

00:35:22.000 We've got to figure out the dates.

00:35:23.000 Because that last year was so amazing to have everybody down there.

00:35:28.000 Such a good crew. 0.97

00:35:29.000 So fucking cool. 0.96

00:35:30.000 Green Tree and Cam. 0.98

00:35:33.000 It's just awesome.

00:35:34.000 And then the first year we invented the Cat Lady Drink.

00:35:37.000 Yeah. 0.85

00:35:37.000 That one ridiculous podcast. 0.85

00:35:38.000 It's lived on, too, hasn't it? 0.99

00:35:40.000 Yeah, that was ridiculous. 0.90

00:35:41.000 I don't know. 0.85

00:35:41.000 I think Dudley might be still drinking it. 0.85

00:35:43.000 I don't think anybody else is.

00:35:44.000 It kind of died off.

00:35:46.000 Red Bull and wine and, what was it, tequila?

00:35:49.000 That was a little bit ambitious.

00:35:51.000 That was a Dudley concoction.

00:35:55.000 Yeah, he was already hammered.

00:35:56.000 He was just raiding my minibar, just taking whatever's in there.

00:35:59.000 He's like a mad scientist at the liquors, isn't he?

00:36:02.000 He's not afraid.

00:36:03.000 That was such a fun podcast, though.

00:36:05.000 We're all just enjoying it.

00:36:07.000 There's something about Lanai, too, where you can hunt in paradise.

00:36:10.000 And it's such a small island.

00:36:15.000 There's not very many people there.

00:36:16.000 The whole island only has 3,000 humans.

00:36:19.000 And a shitload of deer. 0.90

00:36:21.000 It's crazy. 0.63

00:36:21.000 Around every bush, it seems like sometimes. 0.63

00:36:24.000 Yeah.

00:36:24.000 That's a great thing, is it's so easy to screw up hunting those axis deer, especially with a bow, that it's so neat to go and find your arrow, and then five minutes later, you've got a whole other group to stalk.

00:36:34.000 Yeah.

00:36:35.000 It's awesome.

00:36:35.000 Well, it's also the most ethical form of hunting because they literally need to be hunted.

00:36:40.000 They have to be.

00:36:41.000 They don't have any predators.

00:36:43.000 And it's not something that some person who was a greedy person said, oh, I'm going to put all these deer on this island and I'm going to go hunt them.

00:36:49.000 They were brought there for a gift for King Kamehameha in the 1800s.

00:36:54.000 And it doesn't take a wildlife biologist to tell you that the numbers will get out of hand if you don't hunt them.

00:36:59.000 Like, when you're there, it's really obvious.

00:37:01.000 That's a perfect example of how somewhere needs to be managed.

00:37:06.000 Yeah.

00:37:06.000 And I know those guys on Maui have that project going on where they're hunting deer and then they're giving the meat to poor people, which is the best meat in the world.

00:37:15.000 I mean, it's such...

00:37:16.000 I agree.

00:37:17.000 Access to deer is so delicious.

00:37:19.000 That's a great program.

00:37:20.000 It's a fantastic program.

00:37:22.000 What is the name of that?

00:37:23.000 It's got some crazy names.

00:37:24.000 That's Jake Muse and the Kahiki Nui Project.

00:37:28.000 Yeah, that's the name.

00:37:29.000 Kahiki Nui Project.

00:37:30.000 See, you're from Hawaii.

00:37:31.000 You can spit those words out.

00:37:32.000 Yeah.

00:37:33.000 My mouth is like...

00:37:34.000 Kahiki Nui.

00:37:35.000 Yeah.

00:37:35.000 It's funny.

00:37:37.000 You should have Jake on the show.

00:37:38.000 He's a really good dude and he's got some great stories and he's really well educated and knows his business really well.

00:37:44.000 So he started a meat company.

00:37:45.000 So he does eradication in Hawaii because it needs to be done and needs to be managed.

00:37:50.000 And they're on Maui.

00:37:51.000 Yeah.

00:37:51.000 And so he wanted to be able to actually utilize that meat because these big ranches and golf courses and stuff, they actually pay him to come in there and do it.

00:38:01.000 And so he actually flipped it and figured out a way to start a meat company.

00:38:05.000 So it's like a win-win situation because the deer need to be managed and he's feeding people.

00:38:10.000 And then the Kahikinui project is totally different.

00:38:12.000 He doesn't have a meat company for that, but he's able to harvest the animals in a really good way, and then he's able to utilize that meat by giving it to families who need it.

00:38:21.000 Simple as that.

00:38:22.000 It's just phenomenal.

00:38:24.000 Again, it's meat that people would pay a shitload of money for.

00:38:29.000 If you could buy commercially raised Axis deer, it would be one of the most prized meats.

00:38:36.000 It's such an unusual flavor.

00:38:38.000 It's extremely delicious.

00:38:39.000 People that don't like wild game, and they were like, oh, I'm not really into venison.

00:38:43.000 I would like to cook axis deer for them.

00:38:45.000 I'd be like, just let me cook this for you, and tell me what you think.

00:38:48.000 I cooked it for my mother-in-law, and she took one bite of it and raised her eyebrows, and she goes, what is this?

00:38:55.000 I'm like, it's axis deer.

00:38:57.000 She's like, what kind of deer is that? 0.92

00:38:58.000 I had to show her a picture of it.

00:38:59.000 She goes, this is unbelievable.

00:39:01.000 So delicious.

00:39:03.000 It's cool to baffle somebody with wild game.

00:39:05.000 Yeah.

00:39:05.000 If you can cook it right.

00:39:07.000 Especially axis deer.

00:39:08.000 Jeez, it's incredible.

00:39:09.000 And how beautiful are they just in general?

00:39:11.000 Just walking around and then we get one and they're like, I don't know, just incredible animals.

00:39:16.000 I think they're my favorite.

00:39:17.000 Your favorite to hunt?

00:39:18.000 Yeah.

00:39:18.000 Well, what I like about them is we generally go on this axis deer hunt like a couple of months before elk season.

00:39:24.000 So you get all the jitters out of the way.

00:39:26.000 Because they are...

00:39:28.000 They are, like, seven times faster than you think an animal that size can be.

00:39:33.000 Like, when they move, you're like, how did it even do that?

00:39:37.000 Like, how does something move that fast, it's that big?

00:39:40.000 Matrix, dude.

00:39:40.000 Straight matrix.

00:39:41.000 Straight matrix, yeah.

00:39:43.000 Duck and arrows.

00:39:44.000 I'm probably going to piss some people off by saying this, but the axis deer in Hawaii are different.

00:39:48.000 Who so?

00:39:48.000 Axis deer in Hawaii are different.

00:39:50.000 Benny O'Brien.

00:39:51.000 When we were on Lanai and he was hunting axis deer, it was very challenging.

00:39:58.000 Very, very challenging.

00:39:59.000 They were ducking arrows and he was having a hard time.

00:40:03.000 He went back home, back to Texas, back to the drawing board and said, I got to go hunting.

00:40:09.000 He went and hunted axis deer.

00:40:10.000 First morning, shot a huge buck.

00:40:12.000 And he called me and goes, I shot a huge buck.

00:40:13.000 And he goes, but I got to tell you. 0.98

00:40:15.000 They're fucking different in Texas, dude. 0.98

00:40:18.000 The deer just don't react the same way. 0.99

00:40:21.000 I mean, in Hawaii, there's no season.

00:40:25.000 The Hawaiians are eating that meat 365 days a year.

00:40:30.000 They're hunting them with high-powered rifles all year long, Maui, Molokai Lanai.

00:40:34.000 And those deer, they just react like crazy.

00:40:38.000 Yeah, they're living in hell.

00:40:40.000 Yeah, they're living in paradise.

00:40:41.000 They're living in paradise.

00:40:42.000 It's also hell.

00:40:43.000 Every day they're getting shot at.

00:40:45.000 There's a good reason they're paranoid.

00:40:47.000 Yeah.

00:40:48.000 And Ben said in Texas they were just like head down, feeding, chilling.

00:40:52.000 They had no idea.

00:40:53.000 He's like, dude, it's like a different breed. 1.00

00:40:54.000 But he's also there during the rut, too.

00:40:57.000 They must get a little bit more relaxed during the rut.

00:40:59.000 And I'm sure they're switched on in Texas, but in Hawaii they're hyper-switched on.

00:41:04.000 If anybody ever wanted to understand human biology, like male versus female biology, they should see deer and elk in the rut.

00:41:12.000 To see animals in the rut that normally would be super spooky, afraid of everything, jumping at every snap twig, and they're just walking right up to people.

00:41:21.000 Like, they don't know what's going on.

00:41:23.000 They're in a horny fog.

00:41:24.000 Oh, yeah.

00:41:25.000 They'll look right through you.

00:41:26.000 You ever see that video of the guy who taps the deer on the antlers with his arrow?

00:41:30.000 He's got an arrow and there's a deer in front of him.

00:41:32.000 He just taps it on the antlers.

00:41:33.000 I think I did see that, yeah.

00:41:34.000 And the deer's like, what?

00:41:35.000 Yeah.

00:41:35.000 What?

00:41:36.000 Think that would ever happen if it wasn't right in the mating season?

00:41:38.000 Yeah. 0.99

00:41:38.000 Once they get those throbbing boners, they don't know what the fuck's going on. 0.99

00:41:42.000 They're just wandering around. 1.00

00:41:43.000 I saw an elk actually having sex this year.

00:41:46.000 You ever seen that in real life, up close, like not through your binoculars?

00:41:49.000 Yeah, I saw it once.

00:41:50.000 I saw it at like 30 yards.

00:41:51.000 And this elk, and they get up and mount, and then they go, BAM! One big thrust.

00:41:56.000 Yeah.

00:41:57.000 I was like, that's how they get down.

00:41:58.000 Like, that's crazy.

00:41:59.000 That's crazy.

00:42:01.000 Yeah, it's literally like a power double.

00:42:03.000 Yes, and he was so proud of himself. 1.00

00:42:05.000 And he got down, and he was just like, shit, yes. 1.00

00:42:07.000 Got that. 1.00

00:42:09.000 And he moved on.

00:42:10.000 There was like 20 other cows right there that he had to service. 0.97

00:42:15.000 That's ridiculous. 0.75

00:42:16.000 Just wandering around. 0.96

00:42:17.000 Yeah, I saw it from about 60 yards out.

00:42:20.000 Yeah, it's crazy, right?

00:42:22.000 It's a fascinating experience just to be around them when they're behaving like that.

00:42:27.000 They're screaming and yelling at each other and rutting and mating.

00:42:31.000 Because it only happens once a year for those animals.

00:42:34.000 Oh, we're going to see it right here.

00:42:35.000 He gets on top.

00:42:36.000 Look at him.

00:42:37.000 Hey! 0.99

00:42:40.000 Boom! 0.99

00:42:40.000 Wow! 0.99

00:42:43.000 It's very climactic.

00:42:45.000 I would wonder how accurate it is.

00:42:47.000 It's got to be accurate, man.

00:42:48.000 They've got to line it up.

00:42:50.000 Yeah, I mean, I guess.

00:42:51.000 Do you see him lining that up?

00:42:52.000 I guess he's lining it up, but does he really know what he's doing?

00:42:55.000 He only does it once every six months, or once every 11 months.

00:42:58.000 Must be frustrating, huh?

00:43:00.000 Yeah.

00:43:00.000 You can see why they all fight each other for it.

00:43:02.000 They run for about a month, right?

00:43:04.000 Yeah, but how cool is it how one bull, if he's a badass and a good fighter, he can have, like the first bull that I actually arrowed with my bow, he had a harem of 45 cows.

00:43:21.000 One bull.

00:43:22.000 And there was like three satellite bulls, but there was one bull, and he had 45 cows with him that he was herding that were his girlfriend's.

00:43:31.000 And they're all basically in heat.

00:43:33.000 Yeah.

00:43:33.000 So they're like relying on him to service all of them 45 cows.

00:43:37.000 And from what I hear, there's places where it's like, there's like one bull for 80 cows.

00:43:42.000 It's crazy.

00:43:43.000 It's a lot of work.

00:43:45.000 It's a lot of work.

00:43:46.000 It's too much.

00:43:47.000 You really want like three.

00:43:49.000 It's like Dan Bilzerian.

00:43:51.000 Is that his name?

00:43:52.000 Yeah. 0.76

00:43:54.000 He's like a human bull.

00:43:55.000 Yeah.

00:43:56.000 Bull elk.

00:43:56.000 Very similar.

00:43:57.000 Isn't that his fucking logo? 0.99

00:43:58.000 Did you have him on your show? 1.00

00:44:00.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.

00:44:00.000 That's so good.

00:44:01.000 He's always invited me to parties.

00:44:03.000 I'm like, listen, man, I'm married. 1.00

00:44:04.000 I can't go to your fucking parties. 1.00

00:44:06.000 That seems pointless. 1.00

00:44:07.000 I just can't.

00:44:07.000 That seems pointless to go to a party of his if you're married.

00:44:10.000 I think his logo is a bull.

00:44:12.000 Not a bull elk, but a bull.

00:44:14.000 I think it's a goat.

00:44:15.000 Is it a goat?

00:44:16.000 It's a goat.

00:44:17.000 Really?

00:44:17.000 Yeah, I think so.

00:44:20.000 Yeah, it is a goat.

00:44:21.000 It's a mouflon, right?

00:44:23.000 That's what it looks like.

00:44:24.000 A mouflon's a sheep.

00:44:26.000 That's a goat, I think.

00:44:28.000 So, this is super random.

00:44:32.000 Who's the best podcast you've ever had?

00:44:36.000 Every time I think I have the best podcast, we'll have another one that's better.

00:44:40.000 I talked to someone that I respect recently, and they said that the Elon Musk one was the best podcast ever.

00:44:46.000 It's pretty damn good.

00:44:46.000 In history.

00:44:47.000 Yeah.

00:44:48.000 That one was rad.

00:44:49.000 Best podcast in history.

00:44:50.000 That's a strong word.

00:44:51.000 Best podcast ever been made.

00:44:52.000 Well, he's such a unique mind.

00:44:56.000 I mean, he just posted a video of one of the boring tunnels, first completed tunnels.

00:45:04.000 Let's see that, Jamie.

00:45:05.000 Yeah, it's an insanely long tunnel through LA. And they've been doing this only for a few months.

00:45:11.000 Yeah.

00:45:12.000 But apparently in December they're gonna start doing this.

00:45:15.000 Like, look how long this is.

00:45:16.000 This is inside LA. This is an actual, completed, real tunnel that's underneath LA right now.

00:45:24.000 Okay, can we talk about how there's no prototype that we heard about?

00:45:28.000 All of a sudden, who owns the land underneath?

00:45:32.000 That's a real good question.

00:45:33.000 I don't think he understood what I was asking when I asked him that.

00:45:36.000 I'm like, how do you do this?

00:45:37.000 Who do you ask to do this?

00:45:39.000 He's like, well, I call my project manager.

00:45:41.000 I'm like, no, but there's gotta be someone. 1.00

00:45:43.000 They start digging shit. 1.00

00:45:43.000 You're under someone's house. 1.00

00:45:45.000 Yeah, like what if someone decides to make a well and they want to dig under their house to make a well and they go through the roof of your tunnel?

00:45:51.000 Are they allowed to?

00:45:52.000 I love that there's humans like him that are thinking on such a massive scale that are trying to fix the biggest problems that humans are facing that have tons of dough. 0.79

00:46:03.000 Guys like you are out there riding waves and I'm telling dick jokes and this guy's digging holes under the earth.

00:46:10.000 Yeah.

00:46:11.000 I mean, he's also sending cars into space, right?

00:46:16.000 He sent his own car.

00:46:17.000 He shot it into space.

00:46:18.000 He's got SpaceX.

00:46:19.000 He's talking about colonizing Mars.

00:46:21.000 He's got a Tesla company that makes the best electric cars on the planet Earth.

00:46:26.000 I mean, he's got so many different things going on simultaneously.

00:46:29.000 I just don't understand his capacity for work.

00:46:32.000 He's trying to...

00:46:34.000 He's trying to fix the energy, you know, the energy problem.

00:46:37.000 Yeah.

00:46:38.000 With, you know, getting energy from the sun to power your house, to power your car, to power the cities and, you know, it's crazy.

00:46:47.000 He makes solar panels now that are actually tiles for your roof or your house.

00:46:51.000 I saw that.

00:46:51.000 A solar roof.

00:46:52.000 Incredible.

00:46:53.000 Like, you replace the tiles on your roof with these solar tiles.

00:46:56.000 Solar's frickin' cool, dude.

00:46:57.000 I just got it on my house.

00:46:59.000 I got it on my house and I have one of those Tesla Powerwall 2 batteries.

00:47:03.000 And the thing's insane.

00:47:04.000 And it's got like this crazy smart algorithm that knows when like a hurricane's coming to Hawaii and it'll like power up my battery to 100%.

00:47:12.000 Even if I'm not home, even if I'm not watching the Weather Channel, it just does it automatically because it knows it might need to back up my house.

00:47:18.000 Wow!

00:47:19.000 So all my elk doesn't go bad in my freezer.

00:47:22.000 So are you on the grid or are you off the grid?

00:47:24.000 I'm on the grid.

00:47:25.000 But you have the solar power as well as a backup.

00:47:28.000 So your power comes from the solar and you could sell some of it back to the grid?

00:47:34.000 No.

00:47:34.000 They do that?

00:47:35.000 No, they used to do that in Hawaii, but I think they stopped it.

00:47:38.000 And the power companies weren't down with solar, really.

00:47:41.000 It's hard to establish solar.

00:47:44.000 It's hard to get permits and everything to have your house set up.

00:47:46.000 They try to make it kind of difficult for you.

00:47:48.000 They try to make it very difficult.

00:47:50.000 Yeah, but it's pretty cool though.

00:47:51.000 I've offset my power needs with solar by like 80%.

00:47:55.000 Wow.

00:47:56.000 It's great.

00:47:57.000 So you could conceivably just exist purely on solar.

00:48:00.000 Yeah.

00:48:01.000 Now you're on the big island.

00:48:03.000 Yep. 1.00

00:48:03.000 Now while all this fucking crazy volcano shit is going down. 1.00

00:48:06.000 How's that? 0.99

00:48:07.000 Are you freaking out about that at all?

00:48:09.000 Not freaking out.

00:48:10.000 I was freaking out.

00:48:11.000 Yeah.

00:48:11.000 So I live on the west side in Kona.

00:48:14.000 The volcano is on the east side.

00:48:17.000 So is the east side, is that near...

00:48:20.000 It's just south of Hilo.

00:48:21.000 Okay.

00:48:22.000 And that's where the volcano was, but the wind, like the trade winds blow east to west.

00:48:29.000 So...

00:48:31.000 So where I live, it looked like Shanghai for like three months.

00:48:35.000 Whoa. 0.66

00:48:35.000 The air sucked. 0.66

00:48:36.000 Like crazy.

00:48:37.000 It was like LA smog times 10. That freaked me out.

00:48:41.000 They call that VOG, right?

00:48:42.000 VOG. Yeah, like volcanic haze.

00:48:45.000 Yeah, my daughter is severely allergic to that. 0.95

00:48:48.000 Really?

00:48:49.000 Yeah, we went to a store on the Big Island.

00:48:51.000 We were staying at the Four Seasons and we left and went down to a store to get something for a cell phone.

00:48:57.000 She came with me.

00:48:58.000 And she just starts sneezing and sniffling, and her eyes were puffing up. 0.92

00:49:02.000 I'm like, you okay?

00:49:03.000 Like, what's going on?

00:49:04.000 Are you sick?

00:49:04.000 She's like, I don't know what's going on.

00:49:05.000 And the guy at the counter said, oh, it's probably the VOG. And I said, what the fuck is the VOG? It's volcanic smog. 0.99

00:49:13.000 And it just didn't bother me at all.

00:49:16.000 But with her, she's allergic to cats and a couple other things, like make her sniffle.

00:49:21.000 It was bad for about three months where I lived.

00:49:23.000 It was horrible.

00:49:24.000 That's what it looked like?

00:49:25.000 That's insane.

00:49:26.000 That does look like, that looks like Beijing.

00:49:28.000 You know, and the crazy thing was, you know, like if the wind goes the wrong way, then like Maui, Oahu, it's all voggy, like all throughout Hawaii.

00:49:38.000 But it was basically like that whole, the volcano essentially had a crazy eruption for about three and a half months.

00:49:46.000 Yeah.

00:49:47.000 And then now it just stopped and the air quality is incredible where I live now.

00:49:50.000 Really?

00:49:51.000 Yeah.

00:49:51.000 So it blew off.

00:49:52.000 Blue skies, crystal clear, just insane sunsets, sunrises.

00:49:58.000 It's just beautiful.

00:49:59.000 So what did geologists say?

00:50:00.000 Best air quality in 10 years.

00:50:02.000 Really?

00:50:02.000 For sure, yeah.

00:50:03.000 Why is that?

00:50:04.000 I don't know.

00:50:04.000 Because there was a constant eruption for 25 years on the Big Island.

00:50:09.000 But it was just kind of small, but it was continuously going.

00:50:12.000 Right.

00:50:13.000 But now it's like nearly shut down completely, so there's hardly anything going in the air.

00:50:18.000 So the volcano blew its load.

00:50:20.000 It did.

00:50:21.000 Kind of like that elk.

00:50:22.000 Yeah.

00:50:23.000 Bang! 1.00

00:50:24.000 It was lining us up for a while, and just big old bang.

00:50:27.000 Wow.

00:50:27.000 So the Vogue's gone.

00:50:29.000 So now it's probably a good time to go there.

00:50:31.000 It's a very good time.

00:50:32.000 Wow.

00:50:32.000 Come over and visit.

00:50:33.000 Does it fuck with the... 0.97

00:50:34.000 That's why I texted you. 0.99

00:50:35.000 It said, come over and hunt.

00:50:37.000 We're going hunting.

00:50:38.000 I ain't getting hit in the head by a giant chunk of lava.

00:50:43.000 Oh my god, dude.

00:50:44.000 Did you hear about the frickin' boat that had a big, like a lava, like a boulder?

00:50:48.000 Lava boulder. 0.72

00:50:49.000 Go through the roof of it?

00:50:51.000 Yeah.

00:50:51.000 It was like a spectator boat.

00:50:53.000 Yeah, they were- Like a tourist boat.

00:50:54.000 Watching the volcano.

00:50:55.000 Psycho, dude.

00:50:56.000 They were so close.

00:50:57.000 Yeah.

00:50:58.000 Do you have a photo of that, Jamie, that you can bring up?

00:51:00.000 It's nuts.

00:51:01.000 These tour boat companies, it's pretty opportunistic, you know?

00:51:05.000 Oh, look at that hole!

00:51:06.000 It's not easy to make a living on the Big Island, and so you get these people who all want to go see the eruption, all the lava going into the water.

00:51:15.000 If you can look for a photo of the boat near the eruption, there's some images of these boats that were like...

00:51:23.000 It looks like they're like 50 feet away from this mega eruption like crazy.

00:51:28.000 Really scary stuff, but you don't want to mess with lava, man.

00:51:30.000 Yeah, especially when it's spitting things out into the air.

00:51:34.000 Look at that.

00:51:38.000 The Earth's pissed, dude.

00:51:39.000 Oh, that's when it happened.

00:51:44.000 Well, back that up a hair.

00:51:46.000 I want to watch it fly through the air and hit them, and I want to think, what would I do?

00:51:51.000 Look at it flying through the air.

00:51:54.000 The time to think about what you would do is before you get on the boat.

00:51:58.000 Yeah.

00:51:59.000 Once you're on that boat, you're just locked in, dude.

00:52:02.000 That's crazy. 1.00

00:52:03.000 The hole in the fucking boat roof. 0.99

00:52:06.000 You see the redness in the hole of the boat. 1.00

00:52:08.000 The hot shit just tore right through the roof. 0.99

00:52:12.000 Well, and all of these tour boats... 1.00

00:52:15.000 Guys are competing, right?

00:52:17.000 They're like jockeying for a position to get the closest unobstructed view so everyone can take videos and post it on their Instagram.

00:52:25.000 Wow.

00:52:26.000 23 people injured.

00:52:29.000 Okay, let's talk about if one of those little lava nuggets just happened to fly to you.

00:52:35.000 Just blow a hole right through you.

00:52:36.000 Yeah, what if it hit someone in the head? 1.00

00:52:38.000 How about the guy next to you is headless and you're sitting there with your fucking camera out trying to get a selfie for Instagram. 0.98

00:52:45.000 But the thing is, everybody trips out and like, oh my god, this is unprecedented, this lava, can you believe this lava, this volcano's happening? 0.99

00:52:52.000 I'm like, fuck, dude, are you kidding me? 0.98

00:52:53.000 We live on an active volcano, that's where we live. 1.00

00:52:55.000 I was born and raised on this island.

00:52:57.000 It's been erupting almost every day since I was born.

00:53:00.000 True, right?

00:53:01.000 Yeah.

00:53:02.000 Most of your life, that thing's been erupting.

00:53:04.000 You can go almost any time of the year, any year, and see Lava.

00:53:09.000 It's pretty cool.

00:53:10.000 I found out about Kona, because Terrence McKenna used to live in Kona.

00:53:13.000 Who's that?

00:53:14.000 You don't know who Terrence McKenna is?

00:53:15.000 No.

00:53:16.000 He's a very famous psychedelic, I guess you would call him a psychedelic speaker, a scholar.

00:53:21.000 He was a botanist, an ethnobotanist, who set up this place in Kona, and he was off the grid, completely off the grid.

00:53:32.000 Is it ayahuasca?

00:53:34.000 Oh, yeah.

00:53:34.000 A camp?

00:53:35.000 A guru?

00:53:35.000 Everything.

00:53:36.000 He had his...

00:53:37.000 I don't know what's going on with his old property, but I think some of it burnt down.

00:53:42.000 There was a fire up there, and I think he lost like a...

00:53:46.000 Oh, no, no, no.

00:53:46.000 The fire was up in Northern California.

00:53:48.000 He had some of his books up in Northern California, but he has a place up in the Big Island that there was like 30 different types of psychedelic plants growing on his...

00:53:58.000 He had like 10 acres up there.

00:54:00.000 That's his spot up there.

00:54:03.000 Have you been in that house high as a kite or what?

00:54:05.000 No, I'm friends with his brother.

00:54:06.000 I would like to go there.

00:54:08.000 He's dead now, unfortunately.

00:54:09.000 Oh, really?

00:54:10.000 Yeah. 0.97

00:54:11.000 It looks like a pretty friggin' cosmic joint right there. 0.58

00:54:14.000 Well, that's a weird picture, right? 0.76

00:54:16.000 That looks very psychedelic.

00:54:16.000 Is that the regular picture?

00:54:18.000 Yeah, he had a dope place.

00:54:20.000 So he would get all his water from the rain.

00:54:23.000 He had these cisterns, I guess they would call them, one of these containers that catch rainwater, and he had everything filtered that way. 0.96

00:54:31.000 Looks like horny hippies. 1.00

00:54:34.000 There's probably some freaky shit going on up there. 1.00

00:54:36.000 Late night activities up there. 0.99

00:54:38.000 But he was doing a lot of lectures on psychedelics.

00:54:41.000 That's cool.

00:54:42.000 One of the most influential speakers ever on psychedelics because he was so interesting.

00:54:47.000 Such an interesting guy to listen to.

00:54:48.000 A lot of people like that really gravitate to the Big Island.

00:54:51.000 Yeah.

00:54:51.000 There's something about the Big Island where we live that is just, it's alive.

00:54:54.000 It really is.

00:54:55.000 The island is freaking alive.

00:54:57.000 It really is alive.

00:54:58.000 It is.

00:54:58.000 Yeah.

00:54:58.000 And you feel that.

00:54:59.000 And there's like this, there's like an energy there.

00:55:01.000 And there's people who are like, I'm meant to live here.

00:55:03.000 I had moved across the earth to live here because it's like, just pulled me here.

00:55:07.000 Oh boy.

00:55:08.000 I meet people like that all the time.

00:55:09.000 Pfft. 0.93

00:55:10.000 Dude, your boy in that frickin' shack, he's one of those guys. 0.96

00:55:13.000 He is one of those guys. 0.94

00:55:14.000 I mean, he's from Colorado.

00:55:16.000 He was originally from Colorado.

00:55:17.000 But I mean, for him, he was like a bit of a recluse.

00:55:20.000 And he would fly, for six months of the year, he would fly and give these lectures in Austin and San Francisco and all over the world, really.

00:55:28.000 And then he would fly back and live on the Big Island and write books.

00:55:32.000 It's a cool place to live, man.

00:55:33.000 It's awesome.

00:55:34.000 I love living there.

00:55:35.000 And if you're a bowhunter, it's not a bad place either, right?

00:55:37.000 It's not a bad place either.

00:55:39.000 Hawaii is incredible for hunting.

00:55:41.000 This is incredible for people.

00:55:43.000 Everybody's got a really good attitude there.

00:55:47.000 I just got back from Manhattan, which I love.

00:55:49.000 I love going to New York City.

00:55:50.000 But every time I go there, I'm like...

00:55:52.000 I don't think I could do this.

00:55:54.000 I don't think I could live here.

00:55:55.000 It's just too stacked on top of things.

00:55:59.000 One thing that I'd seen there that I'd never seen before, they had this rotating machine that you park cars on.

00:56:06.000 So say if you parked your car in here, it would lift up like this, and then your car would go up here, and then underneath there would be like 30 cars underneath you. 0.97

00:56:14.000 I was like, what the fuck is that? 0.69

00:56:16.000 I've seen that in Tokyo. 1.00

00:56:17.000 Crazy, dude.

00:56:18.000 Yeah, that's...

00:56:19.000 And you can rent one of those spots, one of those car spots for like huge bucks in Tokyo.

00:56:25.000 I'm sure.

00:56:26.000 Like 50 grand a year.

00:56:27.000 Well, Tokyo...

00:56:28.000 For like a parking spot at your building where you live.

00:56:31.000 Have you been to Tokyo?

00:56:31.000 Yeah, a lot.

00:56:32.000 So condensed.

00:56:33.000 Yeah.

00:56:34.000 Yeah, such a strange...

00:56:35.000 Tokyo's strange too because it's so polite.

00:56:38.000 Yeah, I love Tokyo.

00:56:40.000 Yeah, it's like everyone's...

00:56:41.000 It's almost like you're visiting an alien culture.

00:56:43.000 Because I don't understand...

00:56:44.000 I don't know what their writing is.

00:56:46.000 I see it, but I recognize it as Japanese, but I have no idea what it says.

00:56:50.000 And then the people, they're all like super polite and very orderly, and then everything's electronic, and it's almost like Times Square-like with big...

00:56:58.000 This is almost like a parallel...

00:57:02.000 Civilization, like, on another planet.

00:57:04.000 And how the hell did they get there?

00:57:05.000 That's where they ended up.

00:57:06.000 Like, if you look at the history of Japan, it's the opposite of that.

00:57:09.000 Right, right.

00:57:10.000 You know what I mean?

00:57:11.000 It's true.

00:57:11.000 Old-school Japan is the opposite of that.

00:57:14.000 All of a sudden, they have, like, this full-on, like, forward technology, hyper-futuristic civilization there now.

00:57:21.000 Yeah, that's a fascinating thing about Asia, period, right?

00:57:24.000 Like Samsung and Korea, they make some of the best electronics in the world.

00:57:28.000 Yeah, and you drive just outside the city and there's like rice fields everywhere and people working with those cool hats on and like everyone has no shoes on there and mud.

00:57:37.000 Then you drive right to the city and it's just like this giant electronic city.

00:57:41.000 Yeah, I wonder what it is.

00:57:42.000 Kind of cool.

00:57:43.000 Good food, though, in Japan and all over Asia, but I love Japan.

00:57:46.000 Dig it.

00:57:47.000 No, Japan's pretty... 0.97

00:57:48.000 I'm just fascinated by the culture, period.

00:57:51.000 I mean, that's obviously the birthplace of a lot of martial arts.

00:57:54.000 Judo came from there, karate, a lot of...

00:57:57.000 Whoa! 0.71

00:57:59.000 You have a towel?

00:58:00.000 Yeah, we're good.

00:58:01.000 A lot of...

00:58:03.000 It's probably not the exact thing you want to be spilling into.

00:58:07.000 We're good, though.

00:58:08.000 It hit the crack.

00:58:10.000 I was afraid that we were going to have nothing to talk about.

00:58:12.000 That was going to be interesting or we get stuck on like archery for like two hours.

00:58:15.000 So I looked up a couple things.

00:58:17.000 What did you look up?

00:58:18.000 I just like was geeking out in the car.

00:58:21.000 Was that impressive when I just pulled up in like a big old Cadillac, like a black Cadillac with a driver or what?

00:58:25.000 No, it's normal.

00:58:26.000 That's what everybody does.

00:58:27.000 I thought that was really weird.

00:58:29.000 Why would that be weird?

00:58:30.000 It's weird for you because you live in Hawaii.

00:58:31.000 Yeah, I don't do that very often. 0.95

00:58:33.000 What do you drive, like a Tundra or some shit? 0.90

00:58:35.000 I do. 0.98

00:58:35.000 I drive a Toyota Tundra from Big Island Toyota. 0.98

00:58:38.000 Everybody in Hawaii has a Toyota because they don't break. 0.92

00:58:41.000 It's a freaking state car. 0.62

00:58:43.000 It's the move, right? 0.98

00:58:44.000 They don't break.

00:58:45.000 Yeah, they don't break.

00:58:46.000 I've had three Lexuses, Lexus SUVs. 1.00

00:58:50.000 Those fucking things never break. 0.99

00:58:52.000 They never have a single thing go wrong with them. 1.00

00:58:55.000 Yeah, they're amazing.

00:58:55.000 Nothing!

00:58:56.000 Zero! 0.90

00:58:57.000 They're incredible vehicles.

00:58:58.000 Yeah.

00:59:00.000 In Hawaii, you're going off-road so much that for surfing and hunting, I'm always going off-road and camping, taking my kids and stuff.

00:59:10.000 You want something reliable.

00:59:11.000 And you can buy a Toyota truck for $35,000 and six years later, you sell it for $32,000.

00:59:19.000 The resale value is nuts.

00:59:21.000 And it'll go for 200,000 miles with zero problems.

00:59:24.000 I drive a big Tundra.

00:59:26.000 That's the other thing that Japanese figured out how to do. 1.00

00:59:28.000 How'd they figure out how to make things so goddamn reliable? 0.87

00:59:32.000 You know? 0.96

00:59:32.000 Is that you? 0.96

00:59:33.000 There's my truck.

00:59:34.000 Yeah, that's me.

00:59:34.000 Dude, look at that.

00:59:36.000 Lifted.

00:59:36.000 Toyota Hawaii.

00:59:37.000 That's my last truck.

00:59:38.000 I got the exact same truck now, though.

00:59:40.000 It's a good truck.

00:59:41.000 That thing will get you anywhere you want to go.

00:59:43.000 Yeah.

00:59:43.000 I'm actually sponsored by the local dealership where I live.

00:59:46.000 Oh, really?

00:59:47.000 Yeah, Big Island Toyota.

00:59:48.000 Shout out to Big Island Toyota.

00:59:50.000 Look at the fender flares and everything.

00:59:52.000 That thing will drive straight up a mountain. 1.00

00:59:54.000 Oh, I bet it will.

00:59:55.000 And it'll hold about 10 deer in the back of it.

00:59:58.000 Have you ever seen that company called DevRolo?

01:00:01.000 They take those things and they make them bulletproof and they spray the outside of them. 0.99

01:00:07.000 What is that fucking coating that makes them bulletproof? 0.98

01:00:10.000 I might need to get that for all the PETA people. 0.99

01:00:14.000 Do you get PETA people upset with you?

01:00:15.000 No, I don't.

01:00:16.000 You don't get any?

01:00:17.000 Because hunting and surfing, you would think that they're both of the earth and natural, but I would think you would get a little bit of it just because there's a lot of granola crunchy people that get upset.

01:00:26.000 There's a lot of like dolphin riders in the surf world that are like, you know, it's peaceful from the earth.

01:00:33.000 Why do you got to kill the... 0.94

01:00:34.000 Shane, why do you have to kill the animals, man? 1.00

01:00:38.000 Let them live. 0.75

01:00:39.000 I always get these guys, let them live.

01:00:41.000 Always.

01:00:42.000 Always, always, always. 0.98

01:00:43.000 I don't think they understand that if you don't kill them, there's going to be way more problems for them if you don't.

01:00:48.000 Not only do they not understand it, but they're never going to understand it. 0.87

01:00:51.000 No.

01:00:52.000 That's it.

01:00:53.000 I used to consider trying to explain that to people, but there's really not.

01:00:58.000 There's a coating that they...

01:01:00.000 It's like polyurea is the type of material, but there's an actual name for it.

01:01:10.000 Uh...

01:01:11.000 Adam Greentree's got a really, really badass Toyota.

01:01:14.000 Yeah, he had his built.

01:01:16.000 His is cool.

01:01:17.000 The whole back area where the cabin is is all, like, stuff.

01:01:21.000 His is not just looks, though.

01:01:22.000 He doesn't have, like, red wheels.

01:01:24.000 Right. 1.00

01:01:24.000 He's got, like, real shit, like, refrigerators in there and a friggin' shower to shower off all the mud and... 1.00

01:01:30.000 We actually drove to his property and it was so mudded out that it was impossible to get up the road because it was pure mudslide. 0.99

01:01:37.000 And he used his winch to winch us up his road.

01:01:41.000 Like, all the way up his road with a winch.

01:01:44.000 So cool.

01:01:45.000 So it's just, I mean, the thing is like bad.

01:01:47.000 It's actually good for something.

01:01:48.000 You know, he's been in America now for like a month and a half just hunting.

01:01:52.000 He's been almost getting killed in a tree stand the last couple days. 1.00

01:01:54.000 Did you see that shit? 1.00

01:01:54.000 Hell yeah. 1.00

01:01:55.000 I was texting him going, dude, get the hell out of that tree. 0.98

01:01:57.000 Yeah.

01:01:58.000 If you go to Adam Green Tree's... 0.99

01:02:00.000 Instagram page there's actually a video of it where he's in a tree stand he's waiting like he's trying to hunt deer and he's waiting for a deer to walk by and he hears guns go off and then he hears the leaves crack because bullets are whizzing by his head and hitting the leaves literally and there's video of it and he's like what the fuck mate he's fucking wankers yeah he said there's 200 200 gunshots in six hours oh yeah where is he Kansas? 0.99

01:02:28.000 Kentucky Kentucky yeah yeehaw Yeah. 0.99

01:02:31.000 Not a lot of Tundras in Kentucky. 0.80

01:02:32.000 Have you ever been to the Midwest during opening day?

01:02:35.000 If you drove a Tundra in Kentucky, it would need to be bulletproof.

01:02:39.000 Why?

01:02:39.000 They would shoot at it?

01:02:40.000 Yeah, they'd be like, freaking, you need to drive a Chevrolet, man.

01:02:43.000 They have a lot of Toyotas down there.

01:02:44.000 Do they?

01:02:45.000 Yeah, they give in.

01:02:46.000 Not only that, Toyota trucks are actually made in America, believe it or not.

01:02:49.000 They are.

01:02:49.000 Yeah.

01:02:50.000 And my Tundra was made in Texas.

01:02:51.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:02:52.000 There's a lot of Toyotas that are made in America.

01:02:54.000 You know, the Acura NSX, which is a Honda, that's actually made in Ohio.

01:02:59.000 They designed it and constructed it.

01:03:02.000 They make Toyotas in Kentucky.

01:03:03.000 There you go.

01:03:04.000 Holla at your boy. 0.81

01:03:04.000 So they employ people. 0.81

01:03:07.000 They do.

01:03:07.000 Hundreds of thousands of people.

01:03:09.000 That used to be an issue in Detroit.

01:03:10.000 If you were in Detroit and you were driving a non-American car, they'd shoot at it.

01:03:14.000 But now, I mean, so many car companies moved out of Detroit and started selling cars.

01:03:18.000 They just kind of gave up on that.

01:03:20.000 Line-X, is that the coating?

01:03:21.000 Yes, Line-X, thank you.

01:03:23.000 Line-X is crazy.

01:03:26.000 That black coating, that plastic coating that they put on those trucks, you can take Line-X and cover a watermelon with it and drop it off of a building.

01:03:34.000 And it'll bounce when it hits the ground.

01:03:36.000 So they take that matte black sort of cover.

01:03:41.000 That thing looks sick.

01:03:42.000 That is Line-X. And so these Line-X covered trucks, they make them and they also make them with Kevlar windows and door panels and bulletproof plates underneath them.

01:03:53.000 If you're just a total piece of shit and everybody wants to kill you, you get one of those things. 0.99

01:03:58.000 Just drive around in a Line-X armored vehicle. 1.00

01:04:00.000 How much of an idiot do you look like driving that thing around? 1.00

01:04:03.000 Pretty badass. 1.00

01:04:05.000 He just wears mirrored sunglasses to tell everybody to fuck themselves. 1.00

01:04:09.000 I like the... 1.00

01:04:10.000 I love the freaking Line-X, the whole thing.

01:04:13.000 That's like...

01:04:14.000 Watch this.

01:04:15.000 Is that a watermelon?

01:04:16.000 Watch this.

01:04:16.000 Look at this.

01:04:18.000 Boom.

01:04:19.000 That's a watermelon, bro.

01:04:20.000 Yeah, I was thinking about getting my truck done with that stuff.

01:04:22.000 Look at this.

01:04:23.000 Boing! 0.99

01:04:24.000 Wow, almost like a basketball.

01:04:25.000 Yeah. 0.97

01:04:25.000 So any scratches that you would ordinarily get from, like, branches and shit? 0.97

01:04:29.000 Like, I bet you're... 0.57

01:04:31.000 I mean, the kind of travel...

01:04:32.000 Look at this.

01:04:33.000 It hits the ground.

01:04:33.000 I was thinking...

01:04:34.000 Doing that to my truck.

01:04:35.000 Do you get scratched up?

01:04:36.000 Oh, yeah.

01:04:37.000 Yeah, there you go.

01:04:38.000 And I just like that you can just like pressure wash it.

01:04:39.000 You don't have to worry about decals coming off.

01:04:41.000 You don't have to worry about anything. 1.00

01:04:42.000 You just shoot the shit down and it's clean. 0.99

01:04:44.000 Yeah, one of our guides in Lanai had his truck was linexed. 1.00

01:04:49.000 It was green, remember?

01:04:50.000 Completely, yeah.

01:04:51.000 Yeah, it's great.

01:04:52.000 That was Alec.

01:04:52.000 That's good stuff.

01:04:53.000 Yeah, Alec.

01:04:54.000 Love him.

01:04:54.000 Yeah, that stuff just doesn't scratch too.

01:04:56.000 You can go over, somebody can key your car and it just fucks up their key.

01:04:58.000 It doesn't work.

01:04:59.000 Exactly, yeah.

01:05:01.000 Yeah, it's pretty impressive stuff.

01:05:03.000 How funny is it when you see trucks like mine here in LA? Funny or what?

01:05:08.000 Oh, there's a lot of them.

01:05:09.000 It's the worst. 0.97

01:05:10.000 People just want to look like badasses. 0.90

01:05:12.000 They just want to look like a killer in a lifted truck.

01:05:14.000 But you can't park in any, like, structure.

01:05:16.000 That's true.

01:05:16.000 You can't go underneath, like, any underground parking.

01:05:19.000 You look cool.

01:05:20.000 That's what's important out here.

01:05:22.000 Yeah, you look cool in, like, gridlock traffic at, like, 5 p.m.

01:05:25.000 on the 405. Yeah, but you're above everybody.

01:05:28.000 You get to look down on them. 0.98

01:05:29.000 Look at these losers below me in traffic. 0.98

01:05:31.000 I'm all up here. 0.96

01:05:32.000 I got my lifted monster truck.

01:05:34.000 LA is all...

01:05:35.000 Is it a strange thing when you come from your place?

01:05:38.000 I mean, what does a big island have 100,000 people or something like that in the entire island?

01:05:41.000 Yeah.

01:05:41.000 And it's the biggest island in all of Hawaii?

01:05:43.000 Yeah.

01:05:43.000 And, you know, you go from there to here where there's 100,000 people, you know.

01:05:48.000 Go to West Hills right here, there's probably 100,000 people for every, like, three blocks.

01:05:53.000 Yeah.

01:05:54.000 It is weird coming here.

01:05:55.000 I spent a lot of my life in California, actually, even though I was born and raised on the Big Island.

01:05:59.000 And every time I get off the plane, it's so baffling.

01:06:03.000 The freaking LAX airport and getting on the freaking shuttle for the rent-a-car and then getting a rent-a-car and getting on the 405 and everyone's going 90? 0.77

01:06:11.000 Yeah. 0.98

01:06:11.000 That's crazy. 0.98

01:06:13.000 There's always, like, an adjustment period of, like, a half an hour or so when I'm driving. 0.99

01:06:16.000 I'm, like, in the slow lane, like, fuck, this is really happening. 0.98

01:06:18.000 These people are going 80 miles an hour. 0.99

01:06:20.000 And then cops fly by going 80 miles an hour.

01:06:22.000 Everyone's going 80 and no one's getting stopped.

01:06:24.000 And I don't know.

01:06:25.000 It's just a shock.

01:06:26.000 Well, you're used to a place where people don't even pass people on the highway.

01:06:29.000 Yeah.

01:06:29.000 Like on those roads.

01:06:30.000 If someone passes people on those little single lane roads, people get mad, right?

01:06:34.000 Oh, yeah.

01:06:36.000 People get mad.

01:06:36.000 They get mad if you're going too fast.

01:06:38.000 Like, slow down!

01:06:39.000 Yeah.

01:06:40.000 Well, this ain't the mainland.

01:06:43.000 Hawaii is Hawaii.

01:06:45.000 I think we were talking about this on the last time I was here, but Hawaii is just a different kind of place where, yeah, you don't pass people just because they're going a little bit...

01:06:56.000 You know, slower on the highway.

01:06:58.000 And if you do, you better make sure they're not the wrong person.

01:07:00.000 Right. 0.99

01:07:01.000 Are they going to fuck you up? 1.00

01:07:02.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:07:02.000 You want to show respect to the people. 0.99

01:07:04.000 Yeah.

01:07:04.000 And I think there's like this dynamic in Hawaii where, you know, I mean, everyone who moves there, that's fine.

01:07:12.000 I don't think anyone gets mad at that.

01:07:14.000 But you just don't want those people to move to Hawaii because they love Hawaii and then try to turn it into California.

01:07:20.000 Right.

01:07:20.000 Respect the culture, respect the way people act and behave.

01:07:23.000 And then respect the vibe that everything is more relaxed.

01:07:27.000 And that's why it's so cool to visit.

01:07:29.000 Because you literally feel relaxed when you get there.

01:07:32.000 Because everything's relaxed.

01:07:34.000 It's a different vibe.

01:07:36.000 People forget that though.

01:07:37.000 People move to Hawaii for that and then they move to Hawaii and want to turn it into California.

01:07:41.000 Does that happen?

01:07:42.000 They want to buy a big house on the beach and put a big giant wall around it and keep everyone out of the private beach and have like their own little zone and this is my zone and my stuff and my giant house and Trying to own the beach is kind of hilarious.

01:07:55.000 Yeah, it is.

01:07:56.000 Owning a chunk of beach. 1.00

01:07:57.000 You don't own that, bitch. 1.00

01:07:58.000 You decided to put a giant house next to the ocean. 1.00

01:08:02.000 Well, they have security guards in Malibu that try to keep people off of public beaches.

01:08:06.000 They say this is a private beach. 1.00

01:08:08.000 No, it's connected to the ocean, motherfucker. 1.00

01:08:11.000 Your yard is the ocean. 1.00

01:08:13.000 My friend has kids.

01:08:15.000 He has a beach house.

01:08:16.000 My friend has kids and the kids surf.

01:08:18.000 And the kids were surfing just a few hundred yards from their house.

01:08:23.000 And they were in front of this guy's house. 0.99

01:08:24.000 The guy comes out of the house fucking screaming at them. 1.00

01:08:27.000 Saying, get the fuck out of here. 1.00

01:08:28.000 You're not supposed to be here. 1.00

01:08:29.000 No, you can't tell people that.

01:08:32.000 Just because you spent a lot of money on a house that's on the beach doesn't mean you own the beach.

01:08:36.000 You don't.

01:08:37.000 That's the beach.

01:08:38.000 It's the whole earth's beach.

01:08:40.000 Like, someone can come here from all around the world and walk on that beach.

01:08:44.000 That's your yard. 1.00

01:08:46.000 You fucked up. 1.00

01:08:47.000 You bought this $15 million house that anybody could walk 30 feet from your house. 1.00

01:08:52.000 Like, that's just how it is, dude.

01:08:54.000 Sorry.

01:08:55.000 Isn't that weird that people don't get that?

01:08:56.000 They're just so rich.

01:08:58.000 They think that they've finally gotten the super ultra rich category that the rules don't apply anymore.

01:09:03.000 Well, they're just trying to scare people.

01:09:04.000 Now that I'm this rich, this beach is mine now.

01:09:06.000 They're trying to scare people off of it.

01:09:08.000 So they've hired a lot of security guards.

01:09:10.000 See if you can find the article about it.

01:09:11.000 How miserable are those people?

01:09:13.000 Imagine being that person who's like yelling at kids because they're in front on the beach.

01:09:17.000 Yeah.

01:09:17.000 That guy is living in his own personal hell.

01:09:19.000 I don't care how rich he is. 1.00

01:09:20.000 Yeah, it's just stupid. 0.99

01:09:23.000 Like, if you live on the beach, you have to kind of accept that your house is next to this public park. 1.00

01:09:30.000 Yeah.

01:09:31.000 You're essentially living in a public park.

01:09:33.000 I mean, you have this dope view.

01:09:35.000 You get to look at the ocean.

01:09:37.000 Enjoy that.

01:09:38.000 Yeah, but what's in front of your house is everybody's.

01:09:40.000 Yeah.

01:09:40.000 It just is everybody's.

01:09:42.000 You can't own it.

01:09:44.000 It's never not going to be.

01:09:45.000 Yeah, and it moves.

01:09:46.000 That's one of the weird things that happened.

01:09:48.000 Apparently they did something in Santa Barbara.

01:09:51.000 They did something to the ocean.

01:09:54.000 They did something like they put up some sort of a barrier, some sort of break in Santa Barbara, and it affected Broad Beach in a crazy way.

01:10:02.000 It pushed the water way closer.

01:10:05.000 Because one of the good things about Broad Beach, I think they call it Billionaire Beach. 0.96

01:10:09.000 These people, these crazy fucking houses, they had this long stretch of sand before the water and then the water came way up like to almost to where the houses are now. 0.98

01:10:19.000 So it's all gone. 0.99

01:10:20.000 But now the people that utilize the beach are literally right in front of these people's houses. 0.97

01:10:25.000 So they're fucking freaking out. 0.98

01:10:26.000 So crazy. 1.00

01:10:27.000 We see...

01:10:27.000 Is there any articles about...

01:10:29.000 Yeah.

01:10:29.000 So these people have hired security guards to kick people off, and then people are getting together in these lawsuits against these people that own these houses saying you can't keep us off these beaches.

01:10:39.000 I never want to be those people.

01:10:41.000 It's dark.

01:10:42.000 Can we establish that?

01:10:43.000 I just want to keep...

01:10:44.000 I don't want to be those people either.

01:10:45.000 I just want to keep going surfing and ball hunting.

01:10:46.000 How the wealthier laying claim to California's coast.

01:10:50.000 Complaints have been streaming about security guards...

01:10:54.000 Hired by wealthy homeowners removing people from public beaches.

01:10:59.000 Those security guards, they can't do anything.

01:11:02.000 If they touched you, it would be assault.

01:11:05.000 You can't tell me I can't walk on the beach.

01:11:08.000 You can't do anything.

01:11:10.000 I was trying to read through this, and the first case says that the security guard went and got a sheriff, and the sheriff told them that they were going to get a ticket if they didn't get off the beach.

01:11:18.000 The sheriffs are all scared.

01:11:20.000 Because all those people want the influence of all these wealthy people.

01:11:24.000 The wealthy people influence the politicians.

01:11:27.000 The sheriffs want to keep their jobs.

01:11:28.000 I mean, the whole thing is just crazy.

01:11:30.000 But the thing is, now, today, this stuff is getting out.

01:11:34.000 And it's getting out on the internet, and it's getting out in these stories and articles that are on the internet.

01:11:40.000 Homeowners have employed several tactics to keep their beachfront properties private.

01:11:45.000 A recent example of a case in Malibu involved a property owner charging people $40 to walk on the beach and banning surfing unless the person was a resident or a friend of a resident.

01:11:55.000 What?

01:11:56.000 You can't just decide.

01:11:58.000 That's crazy.

01:11:59.000 That's like literally going up to a state park and saying no one can go in here.

01:12:03.000 It's too close to my house.

01:12:05.000 Yeah, there's nothing right about that stuff.

01:12:10.000 That kind of right there, that mentality, that gives me the gnarliest anxiety.

01:12:15.000 I just don't want to be anywhere near those people.

01:12:17.000 I just want to get far, far away from them and live in the mountains in Hawaii where I do.

01:12:21.000 Look at this.

01:12:22.000 She had been on the beach for just a few minutes when a tall, uniformed security guard approached.

01:12:26.000 He told Schwartz she was trespassing on private property and threatened her with a $1,500 fine and a court citation if she didn't leave.

01:12:35.000 She's an employee, too, of the commission.

01:12:39.000 Yeah, right.

01:12:39.000 She said, yeah, she's a commission employee who was asked to do some reconnaissance following a stream of formal complaints.

01:12:45.000 At that point, I pulled out the maps that I had and said, you know, this is a public area, Swartz recalled, but the guard disregarded her insistence.

01:12:53.000 After telling her she needed to provide legal proof that she had a right to be there, the guard left and returned 20 minutes later with two sheriff's deputies who swiftly advised Swartz that the beach was not for public use.

01:13:05.000 Then I got a bit unsettled, she remembers.

01:13:07.000 As brave as I like to think I am, I kind of started shaking a little bit, started to get a little nervous.

01:13:12.000 Did you read it?

01:13:15.000 If you go back up, Jamie, it'll say whose house that was.

01:13:19.000 I think it was David Geffen's.

01:13:20.000 I think that happened also near his house.

01:13:23.000 Deliberately restricted public access.

01:13:25.000 You know, that same thing happened with Mark Zuckerberg on Kauai.

01:13:30.000 It's 2013. The Guardian reported how entertainment mogul David Geffen had deliberately restricted public access to the beach near his home on Carbon Beach.

01:13:39.000 Yeah, that's another really...

01:13:40.000 You can't do that.

01:13:41.000 Yeah, Mark Zuckerberg did that on Kauai.

01:13:44.000 Really?

01:13:44.000 Yeah, he bought up this beautiful property on the north coast of Kauai.

01:13:47.000 It's an incredible, beautiful place with incredible waves and not that many people live there.

01:13:51.000 And he bought this insane, like, thousands of acres right there, one of the most beautiful places on earth, and then tried to keep everybody out and, like...

01:13:59.000 Completely block all the access and all the Hawaiians, all the local people got extremely angry with him.

01:14:04.000 And if he just would have been, I mean, he's going to be a resident, right?

01:14:07.000 He would think this little island on Kauai, people have been living there forever.

01:14:11.000 You can't just like storm in there, buy all the property up and block everyone out.

01:14:15.000 How many people live in Kauai?

01:14:17.000 I don't know, but...

01:14:18.000 Is it like lanai-sized or smaller?

01:14:20.000 More.

01:14:20.000 A lot more.

01:14:21.000 Yeah, a lot more.

01:14:22.000 Yeah, it'd probably be 40,000 or something like that, maybe 30,000.

01:14:26.000 But, you know, the people on choir are really territorial and protective of where they live, and they live in a really beautiful place.

01:14:35.000 A lot of people who aren't from there have lots of money and want to live there.

01:14:39.000 And so people inquire hypersensitive to that already.

01:14:43.000 So you got like Mark Zuckerberg, you know, probably worth $80 billion or something, come in there and buy out all the land and try and block everyone.

01:14:50.000 It's not a good move.

01:14:51.000 Bad move.

01:14:52.000 Terrible move.

01:14:53.000 But he's probably super insulated to people, right?

01:14:56.000 I mean, everywhere that guy goes, he brings security guards with him.

01:14:59.000 Oh, you'd have to.

01:15:00.000 And he's probably like, he probably has almost no interaction with With regular people.

01:15:05.000 You would think so.

01:15:07.000 And he's young, man.

01:15:08.000 So young. 0.99

01:15:08.000 Is he like 34 or some shit? 0.99

01:15:10.000 How old is he, Jamie? 0.98

01:15:12.000 I think that's right.

01:15:14.000 What's he worth?

01:15:15.000 $80 billion?

01:15:16.000 Can you imagine being in your 30s and worth $80 billion?

01:15:19.000 How about still working?

01:15:20.000 How about that?

01:15:21.000 That's cool, though.

01:15:21.000 I love that about these guys.

01:15:23.000 I wouldn't do it, but Elon Musk and Zuckerberg, it's cool that those guys believe so much that they can actually make a difference.

01:15:31.000 That's the only reason that's keeping them.

01:15:33.000 It's not the money.

01:15:34.000 He paid $100 million to purchase 700 acres of land.

01:15:38.000 Wow.

01:15:40.000 He's $34 million.

01:15:41.000 34. That's crazy.

01:15:43.000 Straight up ballin'.

01:15:45.000 Ballin' out.

01:15:46.000 That's ballin'.

01:15:47.000 There's a big difference between him and Elon Musk, though. 0.87

01:15:50.000 He's got a weird reputation of fuckin' over the people that he made Facebook with.

01:15:55.000 I don't know if that's correct. 0.97

01:15:56.000 Correct or not. 0.86

01:15:57.000 But that movie, man, I'd sue the fuck out of those people who made that movie if that's not true, right? 0.95

01:16:02.000 In the movie, they kind of set it up like he stole the idea. 0.97

01:16:04.000 Well, he had to settle.

01:16:06.000 He settled out of court, paid a lot of millions to the Winklevoss brothers, I think, because they said it was their idea. 0.99

01:16:12.000 Yeah, they made him look like a dick in that movie, though. 0.97

01:16:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:16:16.000 They sure did.

01:16:16.000 Yeah.

01:16:17.000 It's kind of heavy that that movie actually got made.

01:16:18.000 You would think that they would have got paid off to not make it.

01:16:20.000 Well, it's weird to make a movie about a person.

01:16:23.000 Even if they got accurate reports from other people, it's so weird to make a movie about a person who's still alive right now and put words in his mouth.

01:16:32.000 A lot of it's speculation, too, no matter what.

01:16:34.000 For sure.

01:16:35.000 Yeah.

01:16:36.000 It's like he got off light.

01:16:37.000 It says that the settlement was $20 million in cash and $45 million in Facebook stock.

01:16:42.000 And they're worth...

01:16:43.000 Billions.

01:16:44.000 Yeah.

01:16:45.000 He got off light. 0.99

01:16:46.000 Yeah, if he did dick them over. 0.97

01:16:47.000 But who knows if they're telling the truth. 0.66

01:16:50.000 Yeah.

01:16:50.000 I don't know whose version it's true.

01:16:52.000 There's always two sides to every story. 0.95

01:16:53.000 But a movie about you, like if somebody made a movie about you and had you on the beach saying some shit you never really said, you're like, hey... 0.97

01:17:00.000 I didn't say those words. 0.66

01:17:02.000 You can't have me say those words with an actor's inflection and his decisions to make whatever creative choices he makes with the way he talks.

01:17:11.000 And 99% of the people watching that movie aren't having this conversation with people.

01:17:15.000 They just automatically think, that's Zuckerberg.

01:17:17.000 That's what happened. 1.00

01:17:18.000 He's a dick. 1.00

01:17:19.000 He did those things. 1.00

01:17:20.000 That's the perception.

01:17:21.000 It's like if Jamie was like, hey, you know what?

01:17:25.000 I just got fired by Joe. 1.00

01:17:27.000 Fuck that guy. 1.00

01:17:27.000 You know what? 1.00

01:17:29.000 Joe tried to touch me this one day when I was shooting the techno target.

01:17:34.000 He tried to touch me.

01:17:35.000 Everyone made me believe Jamie, especially if he was like a really pretty girl.

01:17:40.000 Yeah.

01:17:40.000 Well, Jamie could be a pretty girl if he shaves.

01:17:43.000 Here it goes.

01:17:44.000 He tried to stop it being made. 0.99

01:17:45.000 Goddamn ad blocker. 0.99

01:17:46.000 He did try to stop it being made? 0.99

01:17:48.000 It's according to this, yeah.

01:17:50.000 You would, though, wouldn't you?

01:17:51.000 Trying to stop the movie The Social Network from being made.

01:17:53.000 Oh, it's from those leaked Sony emails that came out and that hacking thing.

01:17:56.000 Oh, of course he did.

01:17:58.000 But I think he has a right to it, honestly.

01:18:01.000 Here's the thing.

01:18:02.000 Pretty heavy that someone can make a movie about you without...

01:18:05.000 Right.

01:18:05.000 Your consent.

01:18:06.000 And put words in your mouth.

01:18:08.000 That's the thing.

01:18:09.000 It'd be one thing if you were convicted in a court of law.

01:18:11.000 Right.

01:18:11.000 For that stuff.

01:18:12.000 But if this is just like, yeah, I swear this happened.

01:18:16.000 See, here's the thing, though.

01:18:17.000 It's one thing if there's a documentary.

01:18:19.000 And in the documentary, they're showing footage where Zuckerberg's doing certain things, saying certain things. 0.95

01:18:23.000 It's a total different situation if you decide to put words in that guy's mouth and you have fucking Justin Timberlake play him in a movie. 0.78

01:18:33.000 Who played him in the movie? 0.99

01:18:36.000 I think it was Justin Timberlake.

01:18:37.000 Was it Justin Timberlake?

01:18:38.000 No, he's in it.

01:18:40.000 Oh, Jesse Eisenberg.

01:18:42.000 So you have a famous actor. 1.00

01:18:44.000 The famous actor plays you in a movie and makes you out to be a cunt. 1.00

01:18:48.000 That sucks. 1.00

01:18:48.000 It's his choice. 1.00

01:18:49.000 That sucks. 0.99

01:18:50.000 And then the director's like, make it a little more cunty. 0.99

01:18:52.000 Can you do a little more cunty? 1.00

01:18:53.000 A little more of a dick. 1.00

01:18:55.000 I'll be a little more removed here. 1.00

01:18:57.000 I'll try a little more removed in this next take. 0.97

01:18:59.000 Yeah.

01:19:00.000 It's like, you can't do that! 0.99

01:19:01.000 He should be able to sue the fuck out of those people. 0.99

01:19:04.000 Because at the end of the day, it's one thing to tell a story. 0.99

01:19:08.000 Hey, I worked with Zuckerberg. 1.00

01:19:10.000 That guy was a dick. 1.00

01:19:10.000 He stole my ideas. 1.00

01:19:11.000 It's another thing to have someone play him in a movie and make up a bunch of words that he didn't really say.

01:19:18.000 Or you don't know he really said.

01:19:19.000 Or you don't have any proof that he really said. 0.99

01:19:22.000 That's fucking strange, man. 1.00

01:19:23.000 Makes shit up. 1.00

01:19:24.000 I've always felt that way about historical movies. 0.99

01:19:27.000 Like, they make a movie about Abraham Lincoln. 0.98

01:19:29.000 Like, someone was saying, how the fuck did they do a movie Abraham Lincoln Vampire Killer? 1.00

01:19:34.000 Did you ever see that stupid movie? 1.00

01:19:36.000 No. 1.00

01:19:36.000 It was really ridiculous. 1.00

01:19:37.000 Abraham Lincoln was a vampire killer. 1.00

01:19:39.000 It was one of the dumbest movies ever. 1.00

01:19:41.000 He's killing vampires, I think, with an axe. 1.00

01:19:43.000 I think he killed him with an axe. 1.00

01:19:44.000 It was really stupid. 1.00

01:19:46.000 But I was saying, yeah, it's dumb, but is it any dumber than any other Abraham Lincoln movie? 1.00

01:19:51.000 You have a bunch of movies about Abraham Lincoln where he's just hanging out with his kids and talking. 1.00

01:19:54.000 You don't know what the fuck he said. 0.99

01:19:56.000 You don't know what kind of interaction he actually had with his wife. 0.99

01:20:00.000 You weren't there.

01:20:01.000 Yeah.

01:20:03.000 How do you pitch that movie to a studio?

01:20:05.000 You know what, guys?

01:20:06.000 I got this concept.

01:20:07.000 I got this concept.

01:20:08.000 That's when you know you got way too much money is when you're making movies about Abraham Lincoln being a vampire killer.

01:20:13.000 Yeah, pull up the trailer for Abraham Lincoln Vampire Slayer.

01:20:16.000 I was trying to remember.

01:20:18.000 If I remember correctly, though, this came at a time...

01:20:21.000 The guy that wrote the book that this movie was made from wrote Pride and Prejudice and Zombies, where he rewrote Pride and Prejudice, but added a zombie...

01:20:32.000 Like, plot throughout it.

01:20:34.000 So he just, he mashed up the story.

01:20:36.000 It was successful, so he did it again with, like, an Abraham Lincoln biography, but added vampires to it.

01:20:43.000 Is there demand?

01:20:44.000 Is there demand for that? 1.00

01:20:45.000 Is there enough people on Earth that want to watch shit movies? 1.00

01:20:48.000 Seriously. 1.00

01:20:49.000 Is there?

01:20:50.000 Oh, I don't know, man.

01:20:51.000 Dude, my time is precious.

01:20:52.000 I want to watch something really good, not really bad.

01:20:55.000 Yeah, well, I don't know, man.

01:20:56.000 There's nobody walking into that movie like, yeah, this is going to be sick.

01:21:00.000 You might be operating on a higher frequency than most. 1.00

01:21:03.000 There's a lot of people out there that just want to be entertained by stupidity. 1.00

01:21:06.000 Give me full screen on this stupid piece of shit. 1.00

01:21:10.000 I watch this thing high as a kite, too. 1.00

01:21:13.000 You watch this movie?

01:21:14.000 Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

01:21:22.000 Were you in that shack on the big island when you watched this?

01:21:25.000 Was it playing on the big screen?

01:21:27.000 Oh, it was by Tim Burton.

01:21:28.000 Yeah.

01:21:31.000 Because look, look at this. 0.76

01:21:32.000 This trailer actually looks pretty fucking cool. 0.95

01:21:37.000 Is he watching him? 0.62

01:21:43.000 Is that Liam Neeson?

01:21:45.000 I don't remember who played him. 0.98

01:21:48.000 Look, it's fucking up all these vampires. 0.98

01:21:50.000 Look at this. 1.00

01:21:53.000 Look at the axe, see?

01:22:00.000 Wow.

01:22:01.000 Abraham Lincoln, vampire hunter.

01:22:07.000 Look, he chops down that tree with one swing.

01:22:10.000 Dude, he's so badass.

01:22:13.000 Very high percentage of people watching that movie were high.

01:22:16.000 Yeah.

01:22:16.000 Well, see, I see things that are not good for my job.

01:22:21.000 Oh, yeah.

01:22:22.000 I will go.

01:22:23.000 I will watch movies and television shows.

01:22:26.000 I will watch things hoping. 0.92

01:22:27.000 Hoping it sucks bad enough that it becomes a part of my act. 0.91

01:22:30.000 You didn't have to hope very hard, did you? 0.97

01:22:31.000 That didn't make it in there.

01:22:33.000 I watched it after the whole thing. 0.99

01:22:35.000 I was like, what in the fuck? 0.99

01:22:36.000 It looks like a joke factory. 1.00

01:22:40.000 Right.

01:22:40.000 It does.

01:22:41.000 It looks like it should be a joke factory.

01:22:43.000 Well, maybe someone better than me.

01:22:45.000 It also came out two months before the Lincoln movie with Daniel Day-Lewis.

01:22:49.000 So they might have rushed it out.

01:22:51.000 That guy's amazing, by the way.

01:22:52.000 Daniel Day-Lewis.

01:22:53.000 Holy moly.

01:22:53.000 But that was another movie that bothered me.

01:22:55.000 I saw the Daniel Day-Lewis Lincoln movie.

01:22:57.000 It was kind of dull.

01:22:58.000 Too slow.

01:22:59.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:22:59.000 But it bothered me that we don't really know what the fuck this guy said. 0.99

01:23:03.000 It's one thing like There Will Be Blood, which was fucking amazing. 0.99

01:23:06.000 But those are fake people. 0.99

01:23:08.000 Man, he looked good as Lincoln. 0.99

01:23:10.000 Crazy.

01:23:11.000 Crazy how good they made him out.

01:23:13.000 Remember Gangs in New York when he was Bob the Butcher?

01:23:15.000 Phenomenal.

01:23:15.000 Was it Bill?

01:23:16.000 Bill the Butcher.

01:23:17.000 Bill the Butcher.

01:23:17.000 Yeah, he's phenomenal.

01:23:18.000 He's great in everything.

01:23:19.000 Yeah, he's so good, man.

01:23:21.000 He's just one of those guys that just becomes...

01:23:23.000 There's a few people that...

01:23:25.000 There's a lot of people that are actors that are just weirdos.

01:23:29.000 They're just these really strange people that desperately want attention. 0.69

01:23:32.000 They figured out a way to use their mental illness To navigate the waters of Hollywood in some strange way where they're virtue signaling and behaving exactly the way Hollywood wants them to behave to get themselves into these positions of fame and then they become movie stars and they say a bunch of nonsense.

01:23:51.000 You hear them interviewed, you're like, you're not even a person.

01:23:54.000 Like, this is not a person.

01:23:55.000 It's not a person talking.

01:23:57.000 There's no sincerity.

01:23:58.000 There's no reality to it.

01:23:59.000 You're just painfully aware of every word you're saying and how people are going to perceive it.

01:24:04.000 And there's no...

01:24:06.000 Your guard's never down.

01:24:08.000 They're just weirdos.

01:24:10.000 Yeah.

01:24:11.000 And then there's people like Daniel Day-Lewis, who's just this savage.

01:24:14.000 Yeah.

01:24:14.000 Who just figures out how to become these people.

01:24:16.000 You know, he stays in character.

01:24:17.000 That's a real deal.

01:24:18.000 Yeah.

01:24:19.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:19.000 I mean, he fucking stays in character. 0.99

01:24:21.000 That was great. 1.00

01:24:21.000 Last of the Mohicans. 1.00

01:24:22.000 He's so good.

01:24:23.000 Pfft. 0.99

01:24:24.000 He's fucking great in everything. 0.99

01:24:25.000 He retired. 0.99

01:24:25.000 You know what he does now? 0.99

01:24:26.000 Makes shoes.

01:24:27.000 Are you serious?

01:24:28.000 Yeah.

01:24:29.000 He's a cobbler.

01:24:30.000 He makes shoes by hand.

01:24:33.000 That's what he does.

01:24:34.000 Wow.

01:24:34.000 He's a legend.

01:24:35.000 That, dude.

01:24:36.000 Are you kidding me?

01:24:37.000 Yeah, man.

01:24:37.000 He was so good.

01:24:39.000 Build a butcher?

01:24:40.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:24:40.000 I would fly to wherever the fuck he is to get a shoe made by him. 0.99

01:24:45.000 I should do it. 0.99

01:24:45.000 I should. 0.99

01:24:46.000 I wonder if he makes shoes for people.

01:24:48.000 Probably just makes shoes for his friends.

01:24:51.000 Like, does he have a company? 1.00

01:24:52.000 Like, I know he makes shoes, but what does he do with these goddamn shoes? 0.99

01:24:56.000 What's his lifestyle like? 0.99

01:24:57.000 You know what I mean?

01:24:57.000 After all that, like, you know what I was saying?

01:25:00.000 Like, all those crazy moments, like, human potential, like, you know, his human potential of his, like, acting craft, like...

01:25:06.000 During Last Mohicans and Gangs in New York and stuff.

01:25:10.000 Going from those extreme highs and performance levels to making shoes, that's crazy.

01:25:18.000 Usually people go up, not, you know, up in intensity, not down in intensity.

01:25:24.000 Right, right.

01:25:24.000 Yeah, the intensity aspect of it is really interesting.

01:25:27.000 But I think for him, like, he's such an artist that I don't think he cares whether or not people are looking at his art.

01:25:34.000 I think he cares about the process of creating.

01:25:37.000 Yeah, probably the same to him.

01:25:38.000 Yeah.

01:25:39.000 The process.

01:25:40.000 Well, maybe even it's more pure.

01:25:42.000 Because of the fact that it doesn't have any adulation.

01:25:44.000 There's no spotlight on it.

01:25:46.000 There's no publicity team. 1.00

01:25:47.000 There's no stupid interviews he has to do. 1.00

01:25:50.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

01:25:51.000 That stuff must be maddening. 0.99

01:25:53.000 For him to sit down with someone from fucking E! Entertainment Television. 0.99

01:25:56.000 So mad, you got another dope movie coming out!

01:25:58.000 Tell us about it!

01:26:00.000 Sounds like you need Daniel Day-Lewis on the podcast here.

01:26:03.000 He'd be freaking amazing, but maybe he would.

01:26:06.000 How cool would that be to talk about shoes?

01:26:07.000 He'd probably be psyching on that.

01:26:09.000 Maybe.

01:26:10.000 I would talk to that guy for three hours just about shoes.

01:26:13.000 If he was into it, just tell me about your stitching process.

01:26:16.000 Where do you choose your leather?

01:26:18.000 From what I just read, I don't think that he does it.

01:26:21.000 It says that he took time off from making movies to study under this very well-known shoemaker for 10 months specifically.

01:26:28.000 And only did that.

01:26:29.000 Then he came back though, he made a movie like last year called The Phantom Thread, where he was a fashion designer.

01:26:34.000 And then he learned to, in order to do that, he reverse engineered a Balenciaga dress just to learn how to become a fashion designer.

01:26:42.000 What is a Balenciaga dress? 0.74

01:26:44.000 Do you know what that is?

01:26:45.000 We pulled up, Balenciaga's a company.

01:26:47.000 They make that shirt we made.

01:26:49.000 We pulled up a few weeks ago, like the double shirt thing.

01:26:51.000 So it's high-end, very high-end stuff.

01:26:54.000 So he took it apart?

01:26:55.000 Yeah.

01:26:56.000 And then put it back together again?

01:26:57.000 Just so he could understand the process of doing it.

01:26:59.000 That was how he got into character for that movie.

01:27:04.000 So I don't know if he's retired all the way.

01:27:06.000 It doesn't seem like he makes...

01:27:08.000 I believe he retired.

01:27:09.000 He made that movie last year, though.

01:27:11.000 It's 2017. He did for a while.

01:27:13.000 There's only one way to find out, dude.

01:27:14.000 He took some time off.

01:27:17.000 Daniel, if you're out there, anytime, dude.

01:27:19.000 Just holler at me.

01:27:20.000 I know you don't have a Twitter.

01:27:22.000 I know you don't have a Twitter, but I got people, you got people.

01:27:27.000 He was amazing in the movie The Boxer, too.

01:27:30.000 So good.

01:27:45.000 Mark Wahlberg knows how to punch.

01:27:47.000 He knows how to throw punches.

01:27:49.000 But there's a difference between throwing punches in a movie and a guy throwing punches in a fight.

01:27:54.000 And if you look at the way Daniel Day-Lewis is performing in that boxing movie, he looks like a guy who's throwing punches in a fight.

01:28:03.000 It's way more realistic than any boxing movie I've ever seen.

01:28:06.000 And he boxed for a full year before he did that movie.

01:28:10.000 He just lived in a boxing gym.

01:28:12.000 He trained all the time, sparred, hit the pads.

01:28:15.000 He got real coaching from... 0.98

01:28:17.000 He played a guy who was an IRA guy who got out of jail and then got back into boxing and then there's a bunch of terrorist shit involved in the film. 0.94

01:28:26.000 It's a very good movie.

01:28:27.000 But see if you can find footage of him from that movie.

01:28:30.000 So when...

01:28:31.000 When you see boxing movies, guys are throwing punches like they know they're not going to get hit back.

01:28:36.000 There's a certain thing about boxing.

01:28:38.000 If you watch a guy actually fighting, there's a tension to worry about getting hit back.

01:28:44.000 And you see a movie about a boxer, the guy's like, yeah, man.

01:28:47.000 There's too much...

01:28:49.000 The mitts are down.

01:28:50.000 Their chin's out.

01:28:51.000 It's not just that.

01:28:53.000 It's like the way they're moving, there's no anticipation.

01:28:56.000 There's no...

01:28:57.000 And it's all offense, right?

01:28:58.000 Yeah.

01:28:58.000 It's all offense.

01:28:59.000 Even when they're getting hit, it's bullshit. 1.00

01:29:02.000 And you can tell. 1.00

01:29:03.000 It reeks.

01:29:03.000 It drives me crazy.

01:29:05.000 Yeah, it reeks.

01:29:05.000 It's like, watch him in here.

01:29:07.000 I mean, this guy, he studied and trained, I forget who was training him, but it was like legit professional boxers.

01:29:15.000 It's crazy that commitment that these guys do to take their acting to the next level.

01:29:20.000 There's not that many people who even notice that he fights more like a real fighter.

01:29:24.000 You know what I'm saying?

01:29:25.000 No, there's not.

01:29:26.000 See, look at the way he's throwing these punches.

01:29:28.000 This is the way a real boxer throws punches.

01:29:31.000 They're not wide.

01:29:33.000 Everything's real tight. 0.98

01:29:36.000 Pretty fucking impressive. 0.93

01:29:38.000 But, I mean, I would expect nothing else from this guy. 0.99

01:29:41.000 Yeah, he's as legit as a kiss. 1.00

01:29:43.000 He's a fucking madman. 1.00

01:29:44.000 Yeah, he's legit. 1.00

01:29:45.000 I bet he'd be a real weirdo to talk to.

01:29:47.000 Yeah.

01:29:48.000 You know?

01:29:48.000 There's only one way to find out.

01:29:49.000 Yeah.

01:29:50.000 You want me to get them on?

01:29:51.000 When are we going hunting?

01:29:52.000 I don't know.

01:29:53.000 I think June.

01:29:55.000 You want to do May or June?

01:29:56.000 Let's try to plan something.

01:29:57.000 Yeah.

01:29:57.000 For sure.

01:29:58.000 Lanai does the next one. 0.87

01:30:00.000 You should come with us to Dudley's place in Oklahoma.

01:30:03.000 I would love that.

01:30:04.000 In March, we're going to go pig hunting.

01:30:05.000 That'd be fun.

01:30:06.000 It's infested.

01:30:08.000 March.

01:30:10.000 Did you see the size of that gigantic pig that he shot down there?

01:30:13.000 Yeah, I did. 0.92

01:30:14.000 Monster. 0.99

01:30:14.000 450 pound pig. 0.99

01:30:16.000 It's like a tank. 0.71

01:30:18.000 It's like as big as this table.

01:30:19.000 Yeah.

01:30:20.000 It's huge.

01:30:20.000 Big pork chops.

01:30:21.000 It's the three of us stacked together in pig form. 0.67

01:30:24.000 That's crazy. 0.99

01:30:24.000 In pig form. 0.99

01:30:25.000 It's so fucking big. 1.00

01:30:26.000 March? 0.97

01:30:27.000 Yeah, we're going to do it in March.

01:30:29.000 That sounds fun.

01:30:30.000 Yeah, he has a giant place that he leases in Oklahoma.

01:30:33.000 And it's all just beautiful, wild, open country.

01:30:38.000 Oklahoma's very underrated.

01:30:40.000 You ever been to Oklahoma?

01:30:41.000 I've never been to the Midwest.

01:30:42.000 No?

01:30:42.000 I'm going to Ohio tomorrow.

01:30:44.000 Oh, you're going Whitetail Hunter?

01:30:45.000 First time ever.

01:30:47.000 Is that the Midwest?

01:30:47.000 Yes.

01:30:48.000 I don't even know where the Midwest is.

01:30:51.000 You're so Hawaiian.

01:30:53.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:30:55.000 Yeah, no, Ohio's the shit. 1.00

01:30:57.000 I'm a Midwest virgin, so I'm going back to Ohio. 1.00

01:31:00.000 That's actually where my mom is from. 1.00

01:31:01.000 Oh, that's cool.

01:31:02.000 What part of Ohio?

01:31:04.000 I think the southern part.

01:31:06.000 I'm going whitetail hunting.

01:31:08.000 Right.

01:31:08.000 Where's Columbus?

01:31:10.000 Columbus is right in the middle.

01:31:11.000 So like Portsmouth, Kentucky area maybe or Cincinnati.

01:31:14.000 Columbus is my favorite spot.

01:31:16.000 I'm hoping it's not too cold. 1.00

01:31:18.000 Columbus is the shit. 1.00

01:31:19.000 I'm a big fan of Cleveland too, but goddamn Columbus is the shit. 1.00

01:31:22.000 Columbus is awesome. 1.00

01:31:23.000 I'm excited to see it, man.

01:31:25.000 Just whatever.

01:31:26.000 I'm guessing it's farmlands flat.

01:31:28.000 Is that right?

01:31:29.000 Not flat.

01:31:30.000 The south?

01:31:31.000 That's the misinterpretation.

01:31:33.000 It's flatter than most areas for sure, but especially down from Columbus down to the south area where the rivers go, there's Indian mounds and there's all sorts of glacier cutout spaces.

01:31:45.000 The Hocking Hills is a very cool spot.

01:31:47.000 There's also this Old Man's Cave is a really cool spot too.

01:31:50.000 It's like a traditional hiking area.

01:31:52.000 I think Columbus is one of the most underrated cities in the country.

01:31:55.000 Yeah?

01:31:56.000 Yeah, people don't think about it. 0.97

01:31:57.000 It's like the people are fucking crazy cool.

01:31:59.000 It's a really good place to do stand-up. 0.87

01:32:01.000 For stand-up comedy, it's one of the best places in the world. 0.98

01:32:04.000 It's just fucking phenomenal. 0.95

01:32:06.000 They're smart, but they're also like Midwest-type people, but they're not stuck up, you know? 0.98

01:32:14.000 It's almost like Chicago.

01:32:16.000 It's a lot like Chicago, I think.

01:32:18.000 Well, I'm not going to see it.

01:32:19.000 I'm just going to go straight to my tree stand.

01:32:22.000 Yeah, tree stand hunting.

01:32:23.000 Have you ever done it before?

01:32:24.000 I've done a little bit of tree stand hunting, but... 0.99

01:32:26.000 It's a mindfuck. 0.93

01:32:27.000 I'm really bad at it. 0.99

01:32:28.000 I'm impatient.

01:32:29.000 Yeah, I would imagine.

01:32:31.000 I like to be stalking.

01:32:32.000 I like to be on the move.

01:32:34.000 I like to be finding deer.

01:32:36.000 I like to be, you know...

01:32:37.000 I like to hunt.

01:32:39.000 Yeah.

01:32:40.000 I want to be the hunter.

01:32:41.000 And so for me, like, sitting in a tree for four days straight, it'll be interesting to see if I have what it takes. 1.00

01:32:47.000 It's weird, too, because you're oddly aware that if you fell, you're fucked. 0.99

01:32:51.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:32:52.000 You have to wear a harness and all that jazz.

01:32:54.000 I did it with Dudley.

01:32:56.000 I've hunted deer before on the ground, in a ground blind, but the first time I ever did it in a tree stand was at Dudley's place.

01:33:03.000 That's where you've got to go.

01:33:05.000 Dudley has the craziest spot.

01:33:07.000 I'm going to hit up Dudley then.

01:33:08.000 Dudley's got like 600 acres.

01:33:11.000 It's all bow hunting.

01:33:12.000 He lives in paradise.

01:33:13.000 All deer?

01:33:13.000 He lives in...

01:33:14.000 He literally lives in Whitetail Paradise.

01:33:17.000 Wow.

01:33:17.000 He lives in Iowa, right?

01:33:19.000 In like one of the best places in the world for deer.

01:33:21.000 I'm gonna send W a text.

01:33:22.000 Sign him a text?

01:33:23.000 Yeah.

01:33:23.000 He'll have you down.

01:33:24.000 He'll have you down.

01:33:25.000 You gotta apply for an Iowa tag though.

01:33:28.000 It's gonna be cold this week. 0.99

01:33:29.000 Cold as fuck, son. 0.99

01:33:30.000 Prepare for it. 1.00

01:33:31.000 You're a Hawaiian.

01:33:32.000 Yeah.

01:33:33.000 Does Under Armour have some good whitetail clothes?

01:33:36.000 They do, yeah.

01:33:37.000 They sent me some really, really warm clothes for hunting. 0.99

01:33:39.000 You might want to get one of those thermal fucking things. 0.98

01:33:42.000 Have you seen the heated sleeping bags? 0.99

01:33:44.000 Oh yeah, those are dope. 0.97

01:33:46.000 You could wear one of those up there.

01:33:48.000 I could.

01:33:49.000 Yeah.

01:33:50.000 They have those things.

01:33:51.000 What are they called?

01:33:53.000 Inferno suits or something like that.

01:33:54.000 What are those things called?

01:33:56.000 See, the thing is, I like hunting in cold weather.

01:34:00.000 I love it.

01:34:00.000 Super cold weather even.

01:34:02.000 Right.

01:34:02.000 If I'm like stalking around, I can walk around.

01:34:04.000 You can move.

01:34:05.000 Right.

01:34:05.000 It's not that cold.

01:34:06.000 Right.

01:34:06.000 But the whole point of sitting in a tree stand, you have to try and sit completely 100% still and move as little as possible.

01:34:14.000 And you're freezing your dick. 0.98

01:34:16.000 It doesn't even have to be that cold for you to freeze if you're trying not to move. 1.00

01:34:21.000 It can be in the 50s and you're freezing your balls off.

01:34:23.000 Right, because you're not moving, so your body's not generating heat.

01:34:26.000 But I've hunted when it's like 8 degrees or 10 degrees in eastern Colorado.

01:34:31.000 And I was okay because I could move.

01:34:33.000 Well, not only that, you're taking layers off.

01:34:35.000 Yeah.

01:34:35.000 Because if you're going up hills...

01:34:36.000 Right.

01:34:37.000 Like, that is one of the things that's really interesting to me about hunting in cold weather is the whole layering system.

01:34:42.000 Yeah.

01:34:43.000 Is that you have to really be aware of when you're sweating.

01:34:46.000 So the whole key is to get yourself to the point where you're never sweating.

01:34:50.000 Yeah.

01:34:50.000 Because if you're sweating and then you have to cool off and then you have to try to heat yourself up and your clothes are wet from your sweat.

01:34:58.000 You're fucked. 1.00

01:34:59.000 Yeah. 1.00

01:34:59.000 You know, that's one of the beautiful things about wool, is that wool allows you to retain your body heat even if it's wet. 1.00

01:35:05.000 You know, it doesn't really fuck with you the same way that a lot of synthetics, and particularly cotton.

01:35:10.000 Cotton's the worst. 0.98

01:35:11.000 Cotton's the worst.

01:35:11.000 Yeah.

01:35:12.000 Synthetics are good because they'll dry quickly.

01:35:15.000 Yeah.

01:35:16.000 Yeah.

01:35:17.000 Have you ever seen that re-warming drill that John Barklow from Sitka did where he jumps in a river with wet clothes and shows how to heat your body back up?

01:35:26.000 No, but I just did a hunt with...

01:35:32.000 I just did a hunt with John Hart from Sitka, who started Sitka.

01:35:38.000 Yeah.

01:35:39.000 He's a great guy.

01:35:40.000 He's a great guy.

01:35:40.000 He was a lot of fun hunting with.

01:35:41.000 And we talked about survival stuff a bit, like, you know, stuff like that.

01:35:45.000 Like, what do you do if you fall in a river and it's cold?

01:35:47.000 That guy to me is like one of the, I mean, because he owns the company, he's one of the best representations of what you would want from a guy who owns a big company, who's a CEO of a big company that's involved in hunting.

01:36:00.000 Yeah.

01:36:00.000 Super smart, really articulate, conservation-minded, very ethical, just salt to the earth.

01:36:06.000 Super solid.

01:36:07.000 I was with him in Utah.

01:36:08.000 Yeah.

01:36:09.000 Great guy.

01:36:09.000 Yeah.

01:36:12.000 Awesome company, too.

01:36:13.000 Yeah, they make good stuff.

01:36:15.000 There's a lot of good stuff out there, but I'm hoping I stay warm on this hunt.

01:36:22.000 Were you guys in BC? Where were you guys?

01:36:25.000 We were in Hawaii.

01:36:26.000 Oh, that's right.

01:36:27.000 That's right.

01:36:27.000 I was thinking you were on that moose hunt that they just got back from.

01:36:30.000 Yeah, no, we were hunting in Hawaii.

01:36:31.000 So you were in that crazy ranch that's somewhere on the Big Island that people never hunt, right?

01:36:36.000 Some big area?

01:36:38.000 Yeah, we were hunting on the Big Island.

01:36:41.000 We were hunting pigs.

01:36:44.000 I was hunting in an area that was like...

01:36:48.000 I don't know how to explain it.

01:36:49.000 Yeah, we were hunting these big boars on a big island and it was a lot of fun.

01:36:54.000 It was great.

01:36:54.000 But he's a really good dude.

01:36:56.000 Yeah. 0.52

01:36:57.000 Do they have, like, numbers that they have to keep the pigs down to?

01:37:01.000 Do they have, like, a point where the pigs reach?

01:37:03.000 Because for people who don't know, pigs will have several litters a year, and if they're not, because there's no predators on Hawaii, so if the pigs aren't kept in check by people, they'll get completely out of hand.

01:37:14.000 So do they have wildlife biologists who manage the numbers and try to decide, like, what to do?

01:37:20.000 No.

01:37:20.000 They just try and kill as many as they can.

01:37:21.000 So they just have people hunt constantly?

01:37:23.000 Yeah.

01:37:23.000 And is it not a problem because so many people hunt there?

01:37:27.000 I mean, it just sort of depends who you ask.

01:37:30.000 It's crazy because with the pigs, the pigs can thrive in really thick areas, so it's very difficult to figure out how many pigs there are.

01:37:40.000 If you try and count the number of deer on Maui, people count them.

01:37:44.000 My friend Jake does it.

01:37:45.000 He'll fly and they'll grid and they'll get a pretty darn accurate reading of how many deer are on the island.

01:37:50.000 But trying to figure out how many pigs are on the big island?

01:37:52.000 It's impossible. 0.68

01:37:53.000 They live in the jungle.

01:37:54.000 Right, because they're all underbrush and they bed.

01:37:58.000 Yeah, but the deer, they come out in the open, you know, and you chase them with a helicopter and you can see them.

01:38:03.000 They're all running, but the pigs don't do that. 0.96

01:38:04.000 They just go right in the thick. 0.99

01:38:05.000 So basically there's infinite numbers of pigs on the big island.

01:38:10.000 But we also have sheep.

01:38:12.000 We have mouflon sheep.

01:38:14.000 We have a hybrid sheep.

01:38:16.000 We have goats.

01:38:18.000 And those you can get numbers of.

01:38:20.000 And you can knock them down really quick if you're trying to eradicate them. 0.94

01:38:23.000 But with pigs, it's really difficult.

01:38:25.000 How do the mouflon sheep taste?

01:38:27.000 Mouflon sheep are amazing.

01:38:29.000 Yeah, that's what I've heard.

01:38:30.000 I've heard they taste really good.

01:38:31.000 They're fantastic.

01:38:31.000 They're great to hunt.

01:38:33.000 Did you see that controversy that happened pretty recently where a woman shot a wild sheep?

01:38:41.000 I did in Europe.

01:38:42.000 A wild goat in Europe.

01:38:43.000 In Europe.

01:38:44.000 And people were upset at her and all these...

01:38:47.000 Ricky Gervais, of course, he has to jump in.

01:38:49.000 That's his favorite thing.

01:38:51.000 Glenn Greenwald.

01:38:52.000 All these people jumped in.

01:38:54.000 What they don't understand is these wild goats are an invasive species.

01:38:58.000 They have no natural predators and they hunt them to preserve the wildlife that's indicative...

01:39:07.000 Native to the area.

01:39:08.000 Whether it's the plant life, animal life.

01:39:11.000 I mean, these goats, if their populations are left unchecked, they hunt them for a very specific reason.

01:39:18.000 Really, if you talk to some wildlife biologist, they should be eradicated.

01:39:22.000 Because a lot of them were left on islands, people don't realize this, by whalers. 1.00

01:39:29.000 They left them on these islands because this was an island off of, I believe it was off of Ireland or Scotland.

01:39:35.000 See if you can find that story.

01:39:37.000 Scotland.

01:39:37.000 A lot of them are left there by travelers so that they would have food there when they came back.

01:39:43.000 So they would drop these things off on these certain islands.

01:39:46.000 And in fact, there was a real area, a real problem where they dropped them off.

01:39:51.000 So this was the woman. 0.98

01:39:52.000 And people got all over this lady for shooting this wild goat, which is really kind of crazy because they eat them. 1.00

01:39:58.000 They're delicious.

01:39:58.000 They eat them as food.

01:40:00.000 They're invasive.

01:40:01.000 I mean, there's so many things pointing towards the direction that this was actually a smart conservation thing to do.

01:40:10.000 But I guess maybe it was because of the way she talked about it.

01:40:15.000 You know, because she said it was a really fun hunt or something like that.

01:40:18.000 Well, like, I get it.

01:40:20.000 It's like a beautiful creature.

01:40:22.000 Yeah, it is.

01:40:22.000 And it would have still been alive if she wasn't there.

01:40:24.000 So that perspective of people of just like, you know, why do you got to kill it?

01:40:28.000 Yeah. 0.56

01:40:28.000 It's a wild animal living on an island. 0.56

01:40:32.000 Why can't you just let them live?

01:40:33.000 It's a natural perspective.

01:40:34.000 It's as simple as that.

01:40:35.000 It's just normal human nature to think that.

01:40:37.000 But, you know...

01:40:39.000 All the people who think that, if you dig a little deeper, there's a lot more information there.

01:40:43.000 You just can't let those goats get out of hand.

01:40:44.000 They're as hardy as hell.

01:40:46.000 They don't die.

01:40:47.000 But that's the problem with someone like a great...

01:40:53.000 Ricky Gervais or Glenn Greenwald, someone like that that has a giant platform that loves animals, and I appreciate that, and that instantly posts something like this, very inflammatory, without looking into it deeper.

01:41:06.000 They use their platform and they think to expose something they think is horrific, but they don't understand what's going on behind the scenes of this.

01:41:12.000 There's a thing called Judas goats, and what they do is they'll take a goat and they'll neuter that goat and put a GPS tag on it and send it out because goats always flock together. 0.93

01:41:22.000 And this goat will go near the other goats, and then they fly over with helicopters and gun these goats down.

01:41:29.000 And this is just to keep goat populations in check.

01:41:32.000 So they kill every goat but the Judas goat, and then the Judas goat will find other goats, and then they fly over again and gun all the goats down. 0.74

01:41:40.000 And this is done by wildlife biologists.

01:41:42.000 They do that right by my house. 0.72

01:41:43.000 They do this just because those goats eat everything. 1.00

01:41:47.000 I have a friend who lives in Topanga and they bought goats to clean their property.

01:41:51.000 They thought, oh, this would be a good idea.

01:41:53.000 We'll bring these goats in and they'll eat all the weeds. 1.00

01:41:56.000 No, they eat everything.

01:41:57.000 Everything.

01:41:57.000 Every last thing.

01:41:58.000 They keep going.

01:41:59.000 And so they'll decimate local wildlife, like whatever their habitat is.

01:42:04.000 They'll devastate all these local plants. 1.00

01:42:06.000 I mean, things that are supposed to be there that have been there forever.

01:42:10.000 When these invasive species get there, they have a really hard time maintaining.

01:42:15.000 You know, it gets to a point where they have to do something about it.

01:42:18.000 Well, this woman paid to do that, so that money goes towards conservation. 1.00

01:42:22.000 She gets to eat the meat.

01:42:24.000 You know, she has this enjoyable experience hunting these things in the mountains.

01:42:28.000 But people don't want to look at that.

01:42:30.000 They just want to look at it.

01:42:31.000 It shouldn't die.

01:42:32.000 And it's really particularly crazy when it's a guy like Ricky Gervais who eats meat.

01:42:36.000 Yeah.

01:42:37.000 It's like the whole thing is just it's so strange.

01:42:39.000 It's just so strange that people refuse to look deeper into these things and they immediately have these knee-jerk reactions where they want to complain about it and do so publicly in a way that gets all these people to attack this woman.

01:42:51.000 Well the photo of that dead animal That's what initiates that response, that emotional response that a human gets.

01:43:00.000 Smiling with a dead animal.

01:43:01.000 That's the worst thing ever.

01:43:02.000 And then they'll go to the fridge and grab some steak and cook it and think nothing of it.

01:43:07.000 Nothing at all of that meat.

01:43:09.000 They don't see the parallel there.

01:43:11.000 They just think that it's completely different and weird that someone wants to go hunt them.

01:43:15.000 Yeah. 0.99

01:43:16.000 It's fucked up in this weird, accepted, hypocritical way. 0.99

01:43:20.000 I mean, it's oddly accepted. 1.00

01:43:22.000 But we all have freezers full of the best meat there is and eat it every night.

01:43:26.000 And it's amazing.

01:43:27.000 I'm never going to stop.

01:43:28.000 We do.

01:43:29.000 Yeah, we do.

01:43:29.000 People that hunt.

01:43:30.000 We do.

01:43:30.000 Yeah.

01:43:31.000 We actually have that connection with that meat. 0.71

01:43:33.000 We killed it. 0.96

01:43:33.000 We skinned it. 0.96

01:43:34.000 We got the meat.

01:43:35.000 We de-boned it.

01:43:35.000 We packed it out.

01:43:36.000 We packaged it and put it in our freezers ourselves.

01:43:39.000 But this is the first I've seen.

01:43:40.000 Pretty freaking awesome.

01:43:40.000 This is the first I've seen someone get attacked at something that's a meat animal.

01:43:44.000 Because I've seen people, maybe they don't know it's a meat animal, but I've seen people get attacked for, obviously, for anything like, it's a predator.

01:43:52.000 The predator one is the biggest one.

01:43:54.000 Like, if you kill something that's a predator, people, for whatever weird reason, freak out more than anything.

01:44:00.000 Well, and if there's like a general idea that they're endangered, you know what I mean?

01:44:07.000 Like everybody thinks that lions are endangered or elephants are endangered.

01:44:11.000 Or even bears.

01:44:12.000 Or bears are endangered.

01:44:13.000 Yeah, there's a lot of misconceptions out there for sure.

01:44:17.000 But I don't really eat lions or elephants or anything like that.

01:44:21.000 I eat deer and there's millions of deer.

01:44:23.000 Millions.

01:44:24.000 Yeah, literally.

01:44:25.000 Yeah.

01:44:25.000 I mean, where we hunt in Lanai has 3,000 people.

01:44:29.000 They estimate somewhere over 20,000 deer, and they don't even know.

01:44:34.000 I mean, it's just bananas.

01:44:36.000 I'm on a text thread with Benny O'Brien and Remy and all you guys, and there was a stat that they were saying yesterday, I don't know if you were on that text, and they were saying that in one of the Midwest states, I don't know which one it was, do you remember?

01:44:49.000 In one of the Midwest states, like 850,000 deer died during gun season, and half of them, like 400,000 deer died in the first two days.

01:45:00.000 Because we were talking about Adam being in the tree.

01:45:02.000 That's crazy.

01:45:03.000 In one state alone, 850,000 deer died during gun season.

01:45:07.000 So you think of how many deer that is.

01:45:09.000 Imagine if no one hunted for like three years.

01:45:11.000 What was that stat?

01:45:13.000 How many deer there would be?

01:45:14.000 The number of car accidents nationwide with deer.

01:45:19.000 I think it's a million and a half.

01:45:22.000 I mean, but the people who get angry at the photos don't think of what it would be like if you just stopped hunting.

01:45:28.000 Yeah.

01:45:29.000 Imagine how many goats there would be. 0.58

01:45:30.000 Imagine how many pigs there would be. 1.00

01:45:32.000 How many deer.

01:45:32.000 How many deer there would be.

01:45:33.000 They think nature would sort itself out.

01:45:35.000 It wouldn't.

01:45:35.000 Well, it would eventually, but you'd have to bring in wolves if you're comfortable with wolves eating your kids.

01:45:40.000 I mean, that's what it is. 1.00

01:45:41.000 All that big bad wolf shit from when we were little kids, like little pig, little pig, let me in. 1.00

01:45:46.000 That's because wolves were everywhere and they were bad. 1.00

01:45:49.000 It was dangerous.

01:45:50.000 Like you would go through it for a walk through the woods.

01:45:52.000 They'd eat your kids. 1.00

01:45:52.000 That really did happen. 1.00

01:45:55.000 We got so far away from that, we forgot of it as a possibility.

01:45:59.000 So now we think of them as dogs that are living their natural...

01:46:02.000 That dog's just living his best life out in the woods.

01:46:06.000 Howl! 0.98

01:46:06.000 Ooh, I love it when they howl. 0.98

01:46:08.000 They're trying to figure out how to eat you.

01:46:10.000 They want to get through your house.

01:46:11.000 They're trying to figure out how to eat your kids.

01:46:13.000 And if you reintroduce them into Yellowstone, they're never going to leave Yellowstone.

01:46:16.000 They're going to stay there.

01:46:17.000 They're going to stay right in this little tiny pocket of where they like to live.

01:46:21.000 They're never going to reproduce into thousands.

01:46:25.000 That's what those people think.

01:46:26.000 But really, they're going to just start roaming.

01:46:29.000 Yeah.

01:46:29.000 And recreating thousands and thousands and thousands of wolves that are all going to go into, like, neighborhoods eventually.

01:46:35.000 Yeah.

01:46:35.000 Well, that's what's happening.

01:46:37.000 That's what's happening in Montana.

01:46:38.000 That's what's happening in Idaho.

01:46:40.000 Oh, yeah.

01:46:40.000 I mean, these are all reintroduced wolves that are...

01:46:42.000 I mean, and they also go on these surplus kills where they'll kill, like, 15 elk and just leave them there.

01:46:47.000 They just go nutty.

01:46:48.000 Yeah.

01:46:49.000 That's what they do.

01:46:49.000 My friend lives in Montana, and he was telling me that the wolf population is so out of hand that the elk population has been decimated.

01:46:58.000 It's down by like 80% or some crazy stat.

01:47:01.000 Crazy.

01:47:03.000 I mean, I can only imagine.

01:47:05.000 They weren't there in 1994. I mean, that's when they reintroduced them, right?

01:47:09.000 In the 90s?

01:47:09.000 I mean, now that the human population is so established in a lot of these areas, you can't just reintroduce wolves with no plan to keep a lid on it.

01:47:23.000 Well, there is a plan.

01:47:23.000 But the problem with the plan is the established numbers that they needed to achieve before they started managing the population, then there was immediate lawsuits by animal rights activists who don't want them to ever hunt wolves.

01:47:35.000 So in Montana, they've opened up seasons.

01:47:37.000 They've opened up seasons in Idaho.

01:47:39.000 They've opened up seasons for wolves, and they would like to do the same for grizzly bears in a lot of these areas.

01:47:43.000 And there's a lot of pushback on that, too, but it's the same sort of thing.

01:47:46.000 The established numbers that they needed to achieve in order to make it a sustainable population, they've been reached.

01:47:52.000 And then the wildlife biologists, the ones who are objective about it, are saying, hey, we need to keep these populations in check in order to keep the deer populations healthy and the moose populations healthy because these bears and these wolves, they're just destroying these calves and they just run around and the populations of these animals go way down.

01:48:08.000 Now there's also an argument, and a really good one, that you need predators.

01:48:13.000 And this good argument is you don't ever want lanai to be recreated in Montana, right?

01:48:18.000 Where there's just these deer and just these elk.

01:48:22.000 You want a certain natural balance.

01:48:24.000 And so there's an argument that there should be a certain amount of wolves, and I agree with that argument.

01:48:29.000 I agree too, but the balance can be really difficult to maintain.

01:48:32.000 That's my point.

01:48:34.000 If there's too many elk and you want to control that number, say there's 100,000 elk, but there should only be 50,000 elk.

01:48:39.000 That's the perfect number.

01:48:41.000 It's actually pretty easy to go from 100,000 to 50,000 to draw that elk herd back.

01:48:45.000 It's pretty easy through management and through hunting.

01:48:48.000 Same with deer.

01:48:49.000 You can pull that number back pretty quick.

01:48:52.000 Wolves are freaking hard to kill, dude. 0.98

01:48:54.000 If you had to kill a wolf and you had a gun, it's freaking hard. 0.99

01:48:58.000 If you had to kill a deer and you had a gun, not that hard. 0.96

01:49:02.000 You can find deer. 0.83

01:49:04.000 Finding a wolf is freaking hard, dude.

01:49:06.000 My point is once those wolf numbers get out of hand, trying to manage that population, the wolf population, is very, very difficult. 0.97

01:49:14.000 Well, places that are used to dealing with them, they know what the fuck to do, like Alaska. 0.52

01:49:18.000 You got to trap them and everything. 0.98

01:49:19.000 They trap them.

01:49:20.000 They fly around in planes and shoot them out of the air with helicopters.

01:49:24.000 I mean, they eradicate them.

01:49:26.000 Is that Sarah Palin?

01:49:28.000 I don't think she's doing that anymore.

01:49:30.000 But there's a lot of people up there that do do that.

01:49:32.000 And you can buy wolfskin rugs.

01:49:35.000 They sell those skins and turn them into rugs and do all sorts of different things with the pelts.

01:49:40.000 Got to do something.

01:49:41.000 Yeah, they do something with it.

01:49:42.000 So it's...

01:49:43.000 But they do that because they have a vested interest in keeping the population of their game animals alive for a couple reasons.

01:49:51.000 And there's criticism about that too, that they maybe kill too many wolves.

01:49:55.000 Because they want you to be able to go there and a lot of their tourism dollars comes from people that fly in to hunt moose or fly in to hunt deer.

01:50:03.000 And they want to make sure they keep certain populations of them there.

01:50:08.000 There's a real problem when you get emotions and you have those emotions tied into this idea of wildlife biology and what an animal is and keeping healthy numbers of these animals in a certain area.

01:50:19.000 That becomes a real issue.

01:50:22.000 And that's why when this goat thing happens and everybody freaks out over it, it's like, you should probably educate yourself as to what you're talking about before you start complaining because you're just throwing gasoline on this fire and you don't necessarily understand all the circumstances involved.

01:50:37.000 Those goats are gnarly too because they live where I live and they love shorelines and they love ridges and berms and stuff like that.

01:50:47.000 They create so much erosion because they love those edges on cliffs and stuff.

01:50:53.000 So they ruin all the berms, they ruin all the cliffs and then there's all this runoff, there's all this erosion.

01:51:00.000 And they, I mean, they completely decimate all the grass, all the weeds, all the way down.

01:51:05.000 They don't, they don't just trim things.

01:51:06.000 They're not, they're not selective eaters.

01:51:08.000 They'll just chow down all the way to the, to the roots and then eat the roots also.

01:51:11.000 So there's nothing holding that dirt in place.

01:51:13.000 Right.

01:51:13.000 So when it rains, just everything spills downhill because of the goats.

01:51:16.000 They really, I see, I see it.

01:51:18.000 And with deer, you can see some, some impact that they have for sure.

01:51:22.000 Let those numbers get out of hand.

01:51:24.000 They have the same effect, but goats, goats are radical.

01:51:27.000 The populations explode, and if someone's not managing them, you can see the impact that they have on the land.

01:51:34.000 And that'll have an impact on all the native species, too.

01:51:37.000 All the ground-nesting birds, all the animals that use the grass and those bushes and all those different things for cover and for life.

01:51:46.000 And the things that they feed off of, all that stuff gets eaten by the goats.

01:51:50.000 If there's a large population of goats somewhere, you'll know it.

01:51:54.000 There'll be almost nothing left.

01:51:56.000 It really is.

01:51:57.000 I appreciate these people like Glenn Greenwald.

01:52:00.000 I appreciate the sentiment behind it.

01:52:01.000 I really do.

01:52:02.000 I just wish they would look into it a little bit deeper.

01:52:04.000 And, you know, this woman, she's not a bad person.

01:52:07.000 She's just, that's how she gets her meat. 1.00

01:52:09.000 You know?

01:52:10.000 Yep.

01:52:11.000 Like I said, especially a guy like Ricky, who I've met.

01:52:13.000 I've actually talked about hunting with him on a radio show before, on the Opie and Anthony show.

01:52:18.000 I had explained to him that I'm a hunter and that I hunt animals and I eat them.

01:52:22.000 Because he was talking about hunters.

01:52:24.000 And he was actually very friendly with me and we were cool about it.

01:52:28.000 He's like, as long as you eat it, that's what you're doing it for.

01:52:30.000 I'm like, that's exactly what I do it for.

01:52:32.000 But he eats meat too, which is so...

01:52:34.000 It's weird.

01:52:37.000 The fact that people think that they are morally disconnected from the act of killing an animal just because they use a credit card to buy meat is so hilarious.

01:52:46.000 You hired a supermarket hitman.

01:52:48.000 That's what you did. 0.99

01:52:49.000 Supermarket hitman took a prisoner, a prisoner cow, and fucking put a bolt through its head, and you feel completely detached from it. 0.99

01:52:59.000 No karma. 0.99

01:53:01.000 Well, and when someone eats a hamburger, they think nothing of eating a quarter of it or half a meal.

01:53:05.000 I'm really full.

01:53:06.000 You can just take that away from me.

01:53:07.000 Yeah.

01:53:07.000 You never do that with your elk, do you?

01:53:09.000 No.

01:53:09.000 No, I eat it all.

01:53:11.000 Yeah.

01:53:11.000 I eat it all.

01:53:11.000 Yeah, I make sure that if I cook it, I cook enough so that me and my family eat it and whatever's left over, I know I'll eat in the morning or eat the next day for lunch.

01:53:20.000 That's a huge difference is you have so much respect for that meat.

01:53:23.000 And for that animal, because all the effort it took, and you watch that thing live in the wild, you have a completely different perspective of that meat than you do if you just, you know, order a hamburger at the restaurant.

01:53:34.000 You know?

01:53:35.000 Yeah.

01:53:36.000 Yeah, for sure.

01:53:37.000 Yeah.

01:53:37.000 But that, again, that's one of those, I mean, you and I have developed this perspective from years of hunting and being around people who hunt, and we understand it.

01:53:47.000 For the average person that's never going to encounter that in their entire life, it's We've developed this very weird society where we've insulated people from all of the ugly realities of eating meat and of wearing leather.

01:54:00.000 I mean, we're sitting on leather chairs.

01:54:01.000 Didn't think about it once. 1.00

01:54:02.000 This used to be a fucking cow. 0.99

01:54:04.000 Someone shot this cow and turned it into a nice chair. 1.00

01:54:07.000 No one minds sitting on a cow that's dead, but no one wants to see that dead cow laying on the ground, the eyes open and blood.

01:54:15.000 Hanging from its ankles.

01:54:16.000 Yeah.

01:54:17.000 And I think it's important for people to see that.

01:54:20.000 I mean, my kids have seen a lot of dead animals.

01:54:23.000 It's a little sad, but it's not like they don't think of it as sad.

01:54:27.000 They think of it as just like a...

01:54:28.000 It's part of life.

01:54:29.000 You know, that's what we eat.

01:54:31.000 Dad brings a deer home in the cooler.

01:54:34.000 Dad brings a pig home in the front of the quad with his bow, with a bloody arrow.

01:54:38.000 It's totally normal. 0.67

01:54:39.000 They see me drag it off the quad and shoot it down with the hose and quarter it and debone it.

01:54:44.000 And they help me package it and grind the meat and it's totally normal to them.

01:54:47.000 It should be totally normal.

01:54:49.000 But there's a connection between the death and what we're eating.

01:54:53.000 Right.

01:54:53.000 Which a lot of people just don't have.

01:54:55.000 And I love that, that my kids already have that.

01:54:57.000 It's a good thing, I think.

01:54:58.000 Well, I think that we have a real problem in this society where so many people, somewhere in the neighborhood of 95 to 97% of the people eat meat, and the number of people that have actually seen an animal die is like, you know, two or three.

01:55:11.000 What's the population of people that hunt in North America?

01:55:14.000 Let's just guess.

01:55:16.000 Guess the population of the U.S. that hunts.

01:55:19.000 I'm going to say it's 3%.

01:55:23.000 That might be high, even.

01:55:25.000 Three out of 100?

01:55:26.000 What do you think it is?

01:55:28.000 It's probably less than three.

01:55:29.000 For sure.

01:55:30.000 Let's see what it is.

01:55:33.000 What population of the United States of America hunts?

01:55:36.000 Jamie's raising his eyebrows.

01:55:39.000 Might be a technicality here, but it says there's 101.6 million Americans that participated, 16 and older, that, yeah.

01:55:49.000 Fish and wildlife shows that 101.6 million participated in wildlife-related activities.

01:55:57.000 Oh, wildlife-related. 1.00

01:55:59.000 That includes, like, pig fucking. 1.00

01:56:00.000 That includes wildlife watching, it says. 1.00

01:56:02.000 Yeah, oh, wildlife watching.

01:56:04.000 Yeah, that's definitely a lot different.

01:56:06.000 That's a lot different.

01:56:09.000 That's all that came up?

01:56:10.000 There's got to be a population of actual number of hunters.

01:56:13.000 I mean, this is back in...

01:56:15.000 That's the other thing, too.

01:56:16.000 There's a hierarchy.

01:56:17.000 People don't have a problem with people fishing.

01:56:19.000 No.

01:56:20.000 No problem.

01:56:21.000 Or posting a photo with their fishing pole and their catch.

01:56:23.000 Yeah.

01:56:24.000 Hey, you got some food.

01:56:25.000 What's the difference between that and a deer?

01:56:30.000 Deers are warm.

01:56:32.000 They're warm and they have fur.

01:56:34.000 And there's been a movie made about them.

01:56:36.000 Ah, they talk.

01:56:37.000 But what about Nemo? 1.00

01:56:38.000 Fuck Nemo. 1.00

01:56:39.000 Nobody cares about Nemo. 1.00

01:56:40.000 Nobody cares about Nemo, dude.

01:56:43.000 Nemo gets no love.

01:56:45.000 He doesn't get any love.

01:56:46.000 I was thinking of this, though, like, you know, because I have kids, and my kids eat meat.

01:56:49.000 And I feel like, imagine if you made a law that after the age of 16 years old in America, if you wanted to eat another hamburger, you had to kill two animals.

01:57:00.000 Like, you go to a place, like whatever it is, like a ranch where they process meat, and there's a cow there, and there's a rifle there.

01:57:07.000 And you go, okay, if you want to be a meat eater from now on, from their 16th birthday on, the only way to eat meat in the future is if you've got to do it yourself at least twice.

01:57:15.000 You can't just do it once.

01:57:16.000 You've got to kill a cow, watch it get processed, and then you've got to wait like a month or whatever it is and go back and take another animal's life.

01:57:23.000 And then you earn the right to eat meat the rest of your life.

01:57:26.000 Imagine how many people wouldn't be able to do that.

01:57:28.000 They're happy to eat meat, but there's that disconnection with the actual death part.

01:57:33.000 I would have a problem with forcing people to do it, just like I'd have a problem with forcing people to get rid of...

01:57:38.000 No, let's force them! 0.97

01:57:39.000 I don't think people should be forced to get rid of their garbage.

01:57:42.000 It's just a wild concept.

01:57:43.000 It is an interesting concept.

01:57:45.000 But I think there's services, like taking your garbage and bringing it to the garbage dump.

01:57:51.000 I don't think you should have to go to the garbage dump, go to the landfill and drop your garbage off.

01:57:57.000 I'm happy that there's someone that gets paid to pick up the bins and dump the garbage into the garbage truck and then drive it to the bin.

01:58:04.000 I'm happy that that exists.

01:58:05.000 I like that.

01:58:07.000 I like the fact that someone takes care of your sewage.

01:58:10.000 I agree.

01:58:11.000 I like the fact that I can buy a steak.

01:58:14.000 For sure.

01:58:14.000 All I'm saying is, like, if you could earn the right to eat steak, you know, and you would have to do it every time.

01:58:21.000 You wouldn't have to, like, kill a cow every time you wanted to eat more. 0.78

01:58:24.000 Like, once you finish that cow, you need to kill another one.

01:58:27.000 I'm just saying everyone should know what it's like to take an animal's life. 0.99

01:58:30.000 No, I agree with you.

01:58:31.000 To eat meat.

01:58:32.000 I agree everyone should probably know what it's like.

01:58:34.000 Because if you don't, it's hard to respect that animal enough.

01:58:38.000 Like I was saying, my kids don't waste deer meat.

01:58:42.000 If it's on their plate, they eat it.

01:58:44.000 If they don't eat it, I put it in there and eat it the next day or whatever it is.

01:58:47.000 There's always a lesson to be taught when you're eating wild game that you've hunted yourself, I think.

01:58:52.000 I think there's a problem whenever there's a disconnect, right?

01:58:56.000 It's like, I think there's a problem if money just comes for free.

01:59:00.000 There's a problem if your meat just comes from a store.

01:59:04.000 There's a weird disconnect between the actual thing that's living and then eating it.

01:59:10.000 And most people, the vast majority of people are completely disconnected from that.

01:59:15.000 I mean, that's the case with farming vegetables, too.

01:59:19.000 Most people, I don't think they have an appreciation for a vegetable being a life form.

01:59:24.000 You're consuming.

01:59:26.000 There's a growth process.

01:59:27.000 It's a living thing.

01:59:28.000 You pull it out of the ground.

01:59:30.000 You cook it.

01:59:31.000 You eat it.

01:59:32.000 That disconnect, I think, is real, too.

01:59:34.000 Because there's a real good feeling that I get when I eat vegetables that have grown in my garden.

01:59:39.000 Yeah.

01:59:39.000 You know, I mean, I love it.

01:59:40.000 I really enjoy it.

01:59:41.000 I get a kick out of it.

01:59:42.000 And there's a lot of people who look down on us for hunting who are, say like you're a vegan who just eats nothing but vegetables and fruit, whatever it is.

01:59:50.000 And, you know, they're looking at us like we're crazy for, you know, the impact we have on the animals, killing them, whatever.

01:59:58.000 But like a lot of the vegetables that people eat nowadays are grown in places that used to be rainforest.

02:00:03.000 Like the Amazon just getting whacked down just to grow corn. 0.70

02:00:07.000 Stuff like that, you know what I mean?

02:00:08.000 I think there's a lot of it is just cattle, right?

02:00:10.000 Isn't it Amazon, a lot of the deforestation?

02:00:12.000 I think the primary reasons- I think a lot of it's for ethanol, too, though.

02:00:16.000 Is it?

02:00:16.000 For corn?

02:00:17.000 Yeah.

02:00:18.000 But I think hardwoods, they chopped a lot of it down for hardwoods, and they chopped a lot of it down in order to provide grazing lands for cattle.

02:00:28.000 I think in the future, all of the vegetables and stuff are going to be...

02:00:30.000 I was talking to Kelly about this.

02:00:31.000 There's a lot of things that are happening out with technology that I think a lot of the vegetables and stuff that we're going to be eating are going to be grown vertically instead of on these massive farms of these huge 100,000-acre ranches full of vegetables.

02:00:47.000 It's all going to be grown in smaller spaces, super efficient growing in smaller spaces to feed more people with less space.

02:00:56.000 I wonder if they could do that with grain.

02:00:57.000 That's going to be kind of crazy.

02:00:58.000 That's going to be crazy.

02:00:59.000 Yeah, that would be crazy.

02:01:01.000 I mean, there's probably some real benefits to that, but I wonder if they could do that with grain.

02:01:05.000 We're going to have to do something with our population keeping growing and more people and more demand for food and less space to grow it.

02:01:13.000 There's going to be an inflection point where someone else is going to have to do something.

02:01:16.000 But I think technology is moving in that place where...

02:01:19.000 And that's the thing.

02:01:20.000 I fully get the people who hate on me on, say, social media or whatever, on my Instagram.

02:01:26.000 If I did post a photo of me getting an elk or whatever it was, all these people get uppity.

02:01:33.000 Because a lot of people can't go hunt.

02:01:35.000 They don't live in a place where they can go hunting and get their own meat.

02:01:38.000 They live in a city.

02:01:39.000 They live in New York City or Shanghai or in Buenos Aires or whatever.

02:01:42.000 And it's so unrelatable to them, you know?

02:01:44.000 No, I understand that.

02:01:45.000 I appreciate that.

02:01:46.000 And, you know, I think that social media is very strange in that regard, too, because people are always looking for people or things to get pissed off at.

02:01:54.000 Oh, yeah.

02:01:54.000 They don't get mad if I post pictures of cooking elk, though.

02:01:57.000 No, they don't.

02:01:58.000 I mean, a few.

02:01:59.000 There's a few, like, proselytizing vegans.

02:02:01.000 Very few.

02:02:01.000 You're going to get cancer, man.

02:02:04.000 They always do that.

02:02:05.000 They don't think cancer comes from meat.

02:02:06.000 Imagine if all meat gave you cancer. 1.00

02:02:08.000 You know how fucking stupid that is? 1.00

02:02:10.000 Everyone would have cancer. 1.00

02:02:11.000 Literally 95% of the population would have cancer.

02:02:14.000 There's a few epidemiological studies that have fucked people's heads up because they've corresponded They've related the idea of eating meat to poor health.

02:02:25.000 But these people that have eaten meat, they don't just eat meat. 0.88

02:02:28.000 They've eaten meat along with sugar and alcohol consumption and cigarettes.

02:02:33.000 It's a lifestyle.

02:02:34.000 They don't factor those things in.

02:02:35.000 And they're eating like a 30-ounce prime rib.

02:02:39.000 Your body is impossible for your body to process that. 1.00

02:02:42.000 More likely they're eating burgers with sugary buns and processed meat and bullshit. 0.84

02:02:48.000 But when I eat meat, I normally eat meat that's like the size of my palm or smaller. 0.97

02:02:52.000 You know, I eat wild game and it's that size.

02:02:54.000 Right.

02:02:54.000 I think it's easy for my body to process that.

02:02:56.000 Eating like a prime rib that's like hanging off both sides of your plate like Fred Flintstone, that's difficult, I think, for your body to process that.

02:03:03.000 That's not scientific.

02:03:04.000 I just look at it and go, there's no way my body's going to deal with that.

02:03:08.000 Where's it going to fit?

02:03:09.000 It's going to stay in there for 30 years.

02:03:11.000 You know how they always say that?

02:03:12.000 That's not true, too.

02:03:14.000 That's all nonsense, too. 0.99

02:03:15.000 Wasn't Kelly talking about pooping here, like shooting his butt out and all this stuff? 0.98

02:03:21.000 Yeah, he was talking about when you go on these extreme fasts and then all this weird stuff that comes out of the inside of your gut, it comes out. 0.54

02:03:33.000 I would try that just to look at that stuff, see what that stuff looks like.

02:03:37.000 Yeah, I would try it, but I wouldn't want to look at it.

02:03:41.000 You know when you're having a baby and they put up a curtain sometimes and you don't have to see anything?

02:03:45.000 Like that.

02:03:46.000 Like, okay, I'm just going to put my legs up.

02:03:48.000 You got a visual of that?

02:03:51.000 Yeah.

02:03:51.000 Put my legs up and someone out there doing all that stuff.

02:03:55.000 Do you grow your own vegetables?

02:03:56.000 I don't.

02:03:57.000 No?

02:03:57.000 No.

02:03:58.000 I travel like half the time.

02:03:59.000 I'm gone from home like literally half the time.

02:04:02.000 So it's really difficult to...

02:04:03.000 Is it hard getting good vegetables on the big island?

02:04:07.000 No, there's not.

02:04:09.000 It's actually really easy.

02:04:11.000 There's really good farmers markets.

02:04:12.000 I'm lucky because my mom and her boyfriend have a really neat hydroponic killer vegetable garden.

02:04:18.000 Oh, wow.

02:04:19.000 So we'll trade a lot of times.

02:04:20.000 I'll give them venison and I'll get really good veggies from them and stuff like that.

02:04:24.000 Oh, that's great.

02:04:24.000 So it's a good trade.

02:04:25.000 That's cool.

02:04:26.000 Yeah, so there's a lot of meals that we do where, like, no one has touched that meal except for my family.

02:04:32.000 So it's cool.

02:04:33.000 I like that.

02:04:34.000 Roseanne has a, she's got a macadamia nut farm on the Big Island. 0.95

02:04:39.000 And she raves about it up there, man.

02:04:41.000 She loves it.

02:04:42.000 I listened to part of her podcast with you.

02:04:44.000 I haven't finished it yet.

02:04:45.000 But she's amazing.

02:04:46.000 She's funny.

02:04:47.000 She's... 1.00

02:04:48.000 You know what, man? 1.00

02:04:48.000 They fucked up, man. 1.00

02:04:50.000 They really did fuck up. 1.00

02:04:51.000 They fucked up when they... 1.00

02:04:52.000 They blew it off. 1.00

02:04:52.000 That lady is not racist. 1.00

02:04:54.000 She's definitely mentally ill, but she's open about it. 0.99

02:04:57.000 She's not racist. 0.98

02:04:58.000 And they just jumped on the opportunity to virtue signal and to cry out against racism and to take a stand.

02:05:06.000 But they took a stand against a woman that has mental problems, who's on all sorts of medication, who they knew about it.

02:05:12.000 I mean, she's been...

02:05:13.000 She was... 0.97

02:05:14.000 She was put in a mental hospital for nine months when she was a kid and she was hit by a car.

02:05:19.000 I mean, she had a severe brain injury.

02:05:22.000 And ever since then, she's had multiple personality disorder.

02:05:25.000 She's been on a host of different medications.

02:05:27.000 And they knew about this.

02:05:28.000 Everybody knew about this.

02:05:29.000 They should have known.

02:05:30.000 It's basically like taking a person who's got a broken leg and getting mad that they limp.

02:05:36.000 It's what they did. 1.00

02:05:37.000 I mean, they have a person who had brain problems who tweets a bunch of wacky shit. 1.00

02:05:42.000 She's on Ambien and drinking and smoking pot. 1.00

02:05:44.000 And even then, she wasn't being racist.

02:05:47.000 She wasn't.

02:05:47.000 She didn't know that lady was black.

02:05:49.000 The lady didn't even look black. 1.00

02:05:50.000 If you look at her, you look at a picture of her, she does not look black. 1.00

02:05:54.000 Yeah.

02:05:55.000 She just thought she was being funny and she thought she was making a solid point that she was going to expand upon when she woke up in the morning.

02:06:01.000 She literally said that. 0.99

02:06:02.000 She's all fucked up on Ambien and pot and drinking. 1.00

02:06:05.000 I listened to that. 1.00

02:06:06.000 That was crazy. 0.99

02:06:07.000 Yeah, that was fucked up that happened to her. 1.00

02:06:08.000 And it sucks that her show got canceled. 1.00

02:06:10.000 Well, the new one sucks. 1.00

02:06:11.000 The new one sucks and it's going down the toilet. 1.00

02:06:14.000 So, hey, sort of the same subject. 0.99

02:06:17.000 Did you see that rad documentary about the white woman who ran the NAACP? Yes!

02:06:22.000 And frickin' act like a black lady? 1.00

02:06:24.000 I know who she is, but I didn't see Rachel Dozel. 0.96

02:06:27.000 That was one of the best frickin' documentaries ever.

02:06:30.000 Was it?

02:06:31.000 Incredible documentary, yeah.

02:06:32.000 Insane.

02:06:33.000 She was out of her mind, dude. 0.91

02:06:35.000 They kept asking her if she was black and she would just straight up like at first she said yes and then she said like it's not that important and then she was like tanning herself and like putting like all this brown makeup on herself and getting like weaves and doing her nails like how she thought like black people would do their nails like it was super weird and then she ran the NAACP. Yeah.

02:06:58.000 It was just a wild documentary.

02:07:00.000 The chick was just in outer space. 1.00

02:07:02.000 It's hilarious that she ran the NAACP. For like a while, dude.

02:07:05.000 Yeah.

02:07:06.000 She probably did a good job. 1.00

02:07:07.000 And she had a huge impact.

02:07:09.000 She was like amazing at her job. 0.90

02:07:10.000 Supposedly, like in the documentary, it was saying that she got all this stuff done that they were trying to do for a long time and she was really, really good at doing her job. 0.95

02:07:18.000 It just sucked that she was actually a white lady who was like acting the whole time. 1.00

02:07:22.000 Well, what's really fucked is NAACP stands for the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People. 0.99

02:07:28.000 You cannot call African Americans colored people. 1.00

02:07:32.000 That is a fucking slur. 1.00

02:07:34.000 They have a slur in their title. 1.00

02:07:36.000 We're living in weird times, man.

02:07:38.000 It's crazy.

02:07:38.000 But you can say people of color.

02:07:41.000 Which is fucking bizarre. 0.99

02:07:43.000 Yeah. 0.99

02:07:43.000 You can't say colored people, but you can say people of color. 0.99

02:07:47.000 It's the same words, just twist it around.

02:07:49.000 Dude, I had a...

02:07:50.000 It's messed up.

02:07:51.000 It's like...

02:07:52.000 You can just be labeled a racist or a sexist or whatever for saying like the...

02:07:57.000 Oh, yeah.

02:07:57.000 Yeah, it's wild.

02:07:59.000 I had a 23andMe DNA test done.

02:08:02.000 How cool are those?

02:08:03.000 They're pretty good.

02:08:03.000 Yeah.

02:08:04.000 And I was hoping... 0.94

02:08:05.000 If I was more than 10% black, I was going to start dropping N-bombs. 1.00

02:08:09.000 But... 0.95

02:08:10.000 1.6.

02:08:12.000 1.6?

02:08:13.000 I'm 1.6% African.

02:08:15.000 Pretty strong. 0.99

02:08:16.000 It's all a dick. 0.99

02:08:19.000 When they did that thing about Elizabeth Warren, I did find out what percentage she is. 0.99

02:08:25.000 Elizabeth Warren, who claimed to be Native American, and she did a test.

02:08:29.000 She's like 1... 1.00

02:08:33.000 One hundredth of what I am.

02:08:36.000 Like, it's literally like her saying she's a Native American is literally like me saying I'm African American.

02:08:46.000 But I have more of a claim.

02:08:48.000 I have far more.

02:08:50.000 Like, more than, I think, some insane number, like, factor of more African in me than she has Native American.

02:09:02.000 And I'm not even remotely Native American.

02:09:04.000 I'm remotely African, right?

02:09:06.000 I'm 1.6%.

02:09:07.000 I have 1.6% African in me. 1.00

02:09:09.000 And she has, like, some fucking really stupid number. 1.00

02:09:14.000 What is the number? 1.00

02:09:16.000 It's like.0001.

02:09:18.000 I don't even know how to make sense of all that stuff.

02:09:22.000 What happened was a Harvard researcher looked into it and gave a number that was very vague that would be like 1 and...

02:09:32.000 512th to 1 and 1024th.

02:09:36.000 Something like that. 0.97

02:09:36.000 That sucks, dude. 0.97

02:09:38.000 It's so crazy! 1.00

02:09:39.000 It sucks. 1.00

02:09:39.000 It sucks that that's the thing. 1.00

02:09:41.000 Like, we're all something. 1.00

02:09:42.000 Who gives a shit? 0.99

02:09:43.000 But she got into Harvard because of this, where she claimed she was Native American. 0.99

02:09:48.000 I mean, she got in by claiming that she was a minority.

02:09:51.000 It was Harvard, right?

02:09:52.000 Correct?

02:09:53.000 I'm being honest about that?

02:09:54.000 Or was it Cambridge?

02:09:56.000 Whatever the university she got in.

02:09:58.000 Some Ivy League school.

02:09:59.000 She got in the university by claiming that she was Native American, so she got a special scholarship because of that.

02:10:04.000 Oh man, that's messed up.

02:10:06.000 It's literally like me going to Morehouse and saying I'm African American, except I have a far better claim. 0.99

02:10:12.000 You have a much higher percentage.

02:10:13.000 Much higher!

02:10:16.000 That's so crazy. 0.84

02:10:18.000 Meanwhile, she's so nuts, like, because Trump was always calling her Pocahontas, and Trump said that if she... 0.56

02:10:24.000 How wild is it that you can't, if you said the wrong thing on your podcast, people would be up in arms, but for some reason the president could say whatever the hell he wants to say. 0.94

02:10:32.000 Well, he's making fun of her pretending to be a Native American.

02:10:36.000 He was joking about her.

02:10:38.000 She's not really Native American.

02:10:39.000 And he called her Pocahontas and he said if she took a DNA test and showed that she was Native American, he would donate a million dollars to a charity of her choice. 0.97

02:10:46.000 So she, after this fucking test that basically showed she has the smallest measurable possibility of Native American in her, was requiring him to pay a million dollars. 0.97

02:11:00.000 He did a laugh. 1.00

02:11:01.000 You should pay Harvard for what you fucking bilk from them! 1.00

02:11:07.000 Where at school did she go to? 1.00

02:11:09.000 I'm trying to find the actual thing.

02:11:11.000 I think she actually got a job at Harvard.

02:11:16.000 Didn't go there for education.

02:11:19.000 Oh, she got a job there because of... 0.98

02:11:22.000 I'm trying to find out.

02:11:22.000 Okay, he'll figure it out.

02:11:24.000 That's hilarious. 0.94

02:11:25.000 But the idea that that is something you can lean on is so goddamn crazy. 0.99

02:11:31.000 Listen, you're a white lady. 1.00

02:11:33.000 I'm a white guy.

02:11:35.000 Shh! 1.00

02:11:35.000 Shut the fuck up, okay? 1.00

02:11:37.000 There's not a part of you that has been discriminated against because of the fact that you're Native American. 1.00

02:11:43.000 It just doesn't exist.

02:11:45.000 It's not true.

02:11:46.000 That stuff's so fascinating to me.

02:11:48.000 People love to be a victim.

02:11:49.000 They love to say, you know, growing up was hard because I'm one 150,000th Native American.

02:11:56.000 That's crazy, dude. 0.98

02:11:57.000 Crazy.

02:11:58.000 And where does it stop?

02:11:59.000 Is it cool to say that if you're 2% or 10% or 50%?

02:12:05.000 Where is it?

02:12:06.000 That's what I'm saying.

02:12:07.000 At 1.6%, I really don't feel like I could drop N-bombs. 1.00

02:12:10.000 Right.

02:12:10.000 No, it's not cool.

02:12:12.000 10%.

02:12:13.000 I'm mostly Italian.

02:12:15.000 I'm like three-quarters Italian, so I can call someone a guinea. 1.00

02:12:18.000 Guinea.

02:12:19.000 No problem. 1.00

02:12:19.000 But Italians don't give a fuck if you call them guineas. 1.00

02:12:22.000 They're like, okay. 0.99

02:12:24.000 There's no good slurs for Italians that work.

02:12:30.000 They've successfully integrated into society.

02:12:33.000 But when my grandfather used to tell me about, he came over here when he was a boy from Italy, and he would tell me about how bad it was, about how much they were discriminated against.

02:12:42.000 Yeah.

02:12:43.000 It was hardcore.

02:12:45.000 I mean, they were treated a lot of the same way racist people treat Mexicans today.

02:12:49.000 And Irish, same thing. 0.98

02:12:50.000 Same thing, yeah.

02:12:51.000 And that's my background is Italian and Irish, mostly. 1.00

02:12:54.000 But someone got fucked by a black person. 1.00

02:12:57.000 Somewhere. 1.00

02:12:58.000 Somewhere.

02:12:59.000 1.6%.

02:13:00.000 I don't know how many generations.

02:13:02.000 I guess the claim is that she used her claim that she's Native American to get a job. 1.00

02:13:07.000 Yes.

02:13:07.000 Not to get into school.

02:13:09.000 Not to go into school?

02:13:09.000 Oh, okay.

02:13:10.000 To get a job.

02:13:10.000 At Harvard.

02:13:11.000 One at Harvard, one at Pennsylvania.

02:13:13.000 So she did it twice? 1.00

02:13:16.000 Give that money back, bitch. 1.00

02:13:17.000 Dude, I love the DNA test, though. 1.00

02:13:19.000 I love the DNA test.

02:13:20.000 It just proves that we're all like something. 1.00

02:13:22.000 We're all a bunch of shit. 1.00

02:13:24.000 You know what I mean? 1.00

02:13:25.000 I'm like 30 things of whatever.

02:13:28.000 You know what I mean?

02:13:29.000 Does it matter?

02:13:30.000 Not really.

02:13:31.000 It shouldn't matter.

02:13:32.000 Well, really, we're all African.

02:13:33.000 All of us.

02:13:34.000 Because that was the original human beings.

02:13:36.000 It depends who you ask, though.

02:13:38.000 I mean, human beings evolved from Africa, if you believe in evolution.

02:13:42.000 If you believe in evolution.

02:13:44.000 That's a big if.

02:13:46.000 Listen, man, if we stop this podcast right now, we could shoot Techno Hunt for another half hour.

02:13:50.000 Okay, let's do it.

02:13:51.000 Let's do it.

02:13:51.000 Ladies and gentlemen, Shane Dorian.

02:13:53.000 Follow him at ShaneDorian808 on Twitter and Shane Dorian.

02:13:57.000 Is that you?

02:13:58.000 No.

02:13:59.000 Really?

02:13:59.000 I don't think so.

02:14:00.000 You might be fake.

02:14:00.000 No, I'm really just on Instagram.

02:14:02.000 Shane Dorian.

02:14:03.000 I tagged a fake Shane Dorian earlier.

02:14:05.000 No, I'm not on Twitter. 1.00

02:14:06.000 This son of a bitch. 1.00

02:14:07.000 You got me, whoever you are. 1.00

02:14:08.000 Don't follow that piece of shit. 1.00

02:14:11.000 Follow the real one. 1.00

02:14:12.000 Shane Dorian on Instagram and your HBO documentary...

02:14:17.000 Momentum Generation.

02:14:19.000 When is it out?

02:14:20.000 It's on HBO on December 11th.

02:14:23.000 Okay, well we'll tweet it when it comes out again.

02:14:25.000 Sweet.

02:14:26.000 Thanks brother.

02:14:26.000 Thanks for having me.

02:14:27.000 Shoot some techno hunt.

02:14:28.000 We'll see you in a little bit with Sober October Recap.

02:14:31.000 Woo! 0.99

The Joe Rogan Experience - November 05, 2018

Joe Rogan Experience #1193 - Shane Dorian

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