The Joe Rogan Experience - November 12, 2018


Joe Rogan Experience #1199 - Tom Segura & Sean Anders

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Tom Segura Sean Anders
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1 hour and 55 minutes

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In this episode, Sean and Joseph talk about the movie they made together, Sex Drive, and how they adopted three human children at the ages of 3 and 6 years old. They also talk about what it's like being a single dad at the age of 6, and what it was like raising three kids while working a 9-5 job as a construction worker. They also discuss how they went from working in construction to becoming a full-time director, writer, producer, and screenwriter. And they talk about how they ended up adopting three human kids at a young age and how it changed their lives. Joe talks about how he and his wife adopted their three kids when they were just 3 years old, and Sean talks about the process of adopting a full family at age 6 and how he ended up with three kids of his own at age 9 and a wife who was 7 years older than he was when he adopted them. Joe also talks about his first movie, which is a teen road trip comedy starring James Marsden and Clark Duke, and why he thinks it's one of the funniest movies he's ever made and why it's probably one of his favorite movies. This episode is a must-listen-listener-listens-listened-to episode! Thank you for listening to this week's episode of the podcast, and we hope you enjoy it! Cheers, Cheers. Cheers! Cheers Cheers from The Chew and Chew Chew, Chew! -Jon & Joseph -Sean and Joseph! Chew & Joe ( ) Chew's Dad, Joe's Dad and Joe's Mom and Dad, Too Effing Goodness, Joseph's Dad & Joe's Brother, CHEEEEEEK CHEEK, Joe & Tom's Dad's Mom, Too Good at It? , Joe's Girl, Too Bad We're Not Good Enough? - Chew Good At It's Not Good At This, Not Good at This, Chet's Dad? CHOOT CHEY'S Gonna Do This, CHEEEEEH? Chet, CHEOTCHOOTCH, CHOT CHEE CHEEHEEH, CHOOD, CHOW CHEECHEEK CHEEOTCH CHEEKE CHEEECK, CHIEK, CHEEEECK, GOT A BECAUSE YOU'LL DO THIS?

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00:00:03.000 God, I didn't realize how good your hair is.
00:00:06.000 Thanks.
00:00:06.000 I'm losing it, but what's left of it is still working.
00:00:09.000 Boom! 0.99
00:00:09.000 And we're live. 0.99
00:00:10.000 Gentlemen.
00:00:10.000 Hello, Sean.
00:00:11.000 Hey, how are you?
00:00:12.000 Hello, Tom.
00:00:12.000 Hello, Joseph.
00:00:13.000 You guys did a movie?
00:00:14.000 Did you make a movie?
00:00:15.000 We made a movie.
00:00:16.000 We did.
00:00:16.000 You guys do movies?
00:00:17.000 We do.
00:00:18.000 We're movie guys.
00:00:18.000 How many movies have you made?
00:00:20.000 One.
00:00:21.000 How many have you made before?
00:00:24.000 Like six, but we've made one.
00:00:26.000 We've made one.
00:00:26.000 What's your favorite one other than the one that's right now, which is definitely your favorite?
00:00:30.000 Because you're promoting it right now.
00:00:32.000 Sex Drive. 0.97
00:00:33.000 Sex Drive?
00:00:34.000 Which one was that?
00:00:35.000 It's the one nobody knows about.
00:00:36.000 Yeah, it's his first one.
00:00:37.000 Nobody knows about it?
00:00:38.000 I mean, it was one of those movies that just opened and nobody knew about it, but it was a really, really fun movie.
00:00:43.000 Maybe we can change that.
00:00:44.000 Is it on iTunes or Netflix?
00:00:46.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:00:47.000 James Marsden's in it.
00:00:48.000 Is this the one that when you made it, you're like... 0.99
00:00:52.000 And maybe I'll go back to work in fucking construction or whatever. 0.98
00:00:56.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 0.99
00:00:56.000 So I thought it was over after that. 0.99
00:00:59.000 Did you finance it or anything?
00:01:01.000 No, no.
00:01:01.000 We made it with Summit Pictures, and it was amazing.
00:01:07.000 We were in town trying to get a career going, trying to make things happen.
00:01:12.000 We were making a TV pilot at the time, which was a living hell.
00:01:15.000 And...
00:01:16.000 And we had gone out and pitched this idea to a bunch of places and nobody bought it.
00:01:21.000 So then in the middle of our editing our pilot, Summit Pictures called and said, we keep thinking about that pitch.
00:01:29.000 Would you guys be willing to write it?
00:01:30.000 And I said, you know what?
00:01:31.000 I was really busy.
00:01:32.000 I said, tell them we'll write it if I can direct it.
00:01:34.000 But I figured that would make them go away.
00:01:36.000 And they said, all right.
00:01:37.000 And so we went in and we wrote it and we turned it in and they greenlit it.
00:01:41.000 It was just this crazy process where we got this movie greenlit and I think we wrote the draft in like a month and we turned it in and they loved it.
00:01:49.000 What's it about?
00:01:50.000 It's a teen road trip movie.
00:01:53.000 It's about these kids.
00:01:54.000 It was kind of in the early days of Facebook and all that stuff.
00:01:59.000 It might have even been, I don't know, I can never track the...
00:02:01.000 It might have even been, like, sort of MySpace into Facebook, that era, you know?
00:02:06.000 But it was about a kid who meets a girl online and goes to lose his virginity on a road trip. 1.00
00:02:11.000 Oh, shit. 1.00
00:02:13.000 It is funny, yeah. 1.00
00:02:14.000 Marsden's in it.
00:02:15.000 James Marsden, he's really funny.
00:02:16.000 Clark Duke and...
00:02:18.000 Yeah, I had a good cast.
00:02:19.000 There it is.
00:02:20.000 Yeah, wow, good.
00:02:23.000 But it was a really great experience.
00:02:25.000 It was really fun.
00:02:26.000 And then we tested it, we did the test screenings, and it just murdered.
00:02:31.000 And the studio got really excited, and I thought, oh my god, I'm going to have a huge career.
00:02:35.000 And the movie came out, and it didn't do any business at all.
00:02:38.000 It was like, okay, I'm going to go back to Wisconsin and not have a career at all.
00:02:43.000 Yeah.
00:02:44.000 Is it true that Instant Family, you hired Tom because Bert Kreischer wasn't available?
00:02:48.000 Yes. 0.99
00:02:49.000 God damn it. 1.00
00:02:50.000 Don't tell me that, man. 1.00
00:02:51.000 That's what I had heard.
00:02:52.000 Well, and he was asking for a lot of money, a lot more than...
00:02:55.000 Well, you know how Bert is.
00:02:57.000 It gets lofty with its expectations.
00:02:58.000 He's like, whatever Mark gets, I want double.
00:03:00.000 I want double!
00:03:01.000 And then they were like, we can't do it.
00:03:05.000 So, this movie is based in no small part on your own life experiences.
00:03:12.000 It is, yeah.
00:03:13.000 Of adopting an actual, you adopted like a full family.
00:03:17.000 Three human children, yeah.
00:03:18.000 Wow.
00:03:19.000 That's wild.
00:03:21.000 That's a bold maneuver, sir.
00:03:23.000 Yeah.
00:03:23.000 What were the ages?
00:03:24.000 Six, three, and a year and a half.
00:03:26.000 Wow.
00:03:27.000 Yeah.
00:03:28.000 What was the process?
00:03:30.000 Well, it starts, and this is how it starts in the movie as well.
00:03:34.000 My wife and I, for years, I wasn't making any money, including after I made Sex Drive.
00:03:41.000 So I didn't really feel like I could afford to have kids.
00:03:44.000 So whenever we'd talk about it, I'd just be like...
00:03:46.000 You know, not there yet.
00:03:48.000 And then finally, when I felt like I was doing better, I was starting to get a career together, I just started to feel like I was going to be one of those old dads, you know?
00:03:56.000 Like by the time the kid was a teenager, I wasn't going to be able to play with him.
00:03:59.000 How old are you now?
00:04:00.000 I'm 49 now.
00:04:02.000 I was 41 at the time.
00:04:04.000 And so, God, is that right?
00:04:06.000 Oh, man, it's depressing. 0.99
00:04:08.000 Anyway, so I made this dumb joke to my wife. 0.97
00:04:12.000 I said, look, why don't we just adopt a five-year-old? 0.86
00:04:14.000 It'll be like I got started five years ago, and I'm right back in the game.
00:04:18.000 And she was like, you know, that's actually a really interesting idea.
00:04:22.000 And I was like, no, I'm I was totally kidding.
00:04:24.000 Didn't mean anything about that at all.
00:04:26.000 And then she went to a website, and she showed me the website.
00:04:30.000 And then when I saw the website, I was like, oh, wow, you see these kids, you see their faces, you start to learn a little bit more about it.
00:04:35.000 And we just started having conversations, and it went from there.
00:04:39.000 Now I've got three kids and a movie.
00:04:41.000 And they're all siblings?
00:04:42.000 Yes.
00:04:43.000 So they all came from one mom, and what is...
00:04:47.000 How did they get separated from the family?
00:04:50.000 I don't have a lot of details about that.
00:04:54.000 They don't really tell you.
00:04:55.000 You know a little bit, but not much.
00:04:58.000 I mean, I know that there were issues with drugs, and I think there was some kind of a fire at some point, but it's all pretty sketchy as far as what you hear.
00:05:07.000 So you learn a lot about the kids themselves, but not that much about the situation.
00:05:11.000 Right.
00:05:12.000 And what made you want to turn this into a film?
00:05:15.000 I would imagine that's a very personal experience.
00:05:21.000 Yeah.
00:05:21.000 It was actually my writing partner, John Morris, because I had been about three years into it at that point.
00:05:27.000 And the beginning of it was a nightmare, like epic, bad decision.
00:05:33.000 Why did we ever do this?
00:05:35.000 Really?
00:05:35.000 Yeah.
00:05:36.000 It was really a nightmare for a short time.
00:05:38.000 And then when it came online and we became a family, it really became the best thing that ever happened to me.
00:05:43.000 And, you know, when John and I get together every day, we just talk about our lives a little bit.
00:05:47.000 That's how we get started.
00:05:48.000 So John had been hearing all these stories and one day he just said, I don't know why we're not doing a movie about this because nobody really knows how this works when you go into foster care and adopt kids.
00:05:56.000 So we started talking about it and then there was the conversation of whether We're good to go.
00:06:25.000 Frighten people and they make people think that these kids are all damaged and unreachable.
00:06:30.000 Do you worry that it would be like that movie 101 Dalmatians that a bunch of people start getting foster kids now and just screw them up?
00:06:38.000 We were talking about Top Gun.
00:06:41.000 Remember when Top Gun came out and everybody joined the Navy thinking they were going to fly the planes?
00:06:46.000 When The Color of Money came out, pool halls boomed across the country.
00:06:51.000 It made a giant impact on pool halls.
00:06:53.000 From that one Tom Cruise movie. 0.99
00:06:56.000 A lot of people just got scammed out of their fucking pocket money. 0.99
00:07:00.000 I'm sure there was some of that going on. 0.98
00:07:02.000 I think the crazy thing about this too was that on the set you realize, when we're doing this, you go like, Oh yeah, I always thought of people who do that, like you know they exist, but you're like, those are nameless, faceless angels.
00:07:16.000 They're not real people.
00:07:18.000 If you're like, do you have any of your friends at the top?
00:07:20.000 I'd be like, no, I don't have friends like that.
00:07:22.000 Those are other people.
00:07:23.000 And then you start, like on the set, there was...
00:07:26.000 You know, people visiting or consulting and there would be like, oh, you know, they adopted or they run some foster care thing.
00:07:32.000 And then you're like, oh, this is actually something that people really do.
00:07:35.000 Well, even like dudes on the crew that somebody would come up, you know, who's in the electrical department and be like, oh, hey, bro, I got I adopted two kids, by the way.
00:07:43.000 You'd be like, really?
00:07:44.000 Wow!
00:07:45.000 Or, hey, I got adopted when I was four years old.
00:07:48.000 Now you see it now everywhere.
00:07:50.000 People are hitting me up.
00:07:52.000 Someone hit me up yesterday.
00:07:53.000 They're like, my sister is adopting four siblings this week.
00:07:57.000 Wow.
00:07:58.000 It's nuts.
00:08:01.000 It's almost like when your friend gets a car and then you start seeing it everywhere.
00:08:06.000 It's exactly like that, though.
00:08:09.000 We talked about that video that went around online of this little girl that realized that she's opening up a box and there's something in it that tells her that she's been adopted by these two people that are with her.
00:08:22.000 It's really, yeah.
00:08:23.000 It's impossible to not cry.
00:08:25.000 Yeah.
00:08:26.000 I mean, if you have any heart at all and you watch that little girl freak out.
00:08:29.000 It breaks you up.
00:08:31.000 I think that's almost a test as far as what you were talking about.
00:08:34.000 Because believe me, I was not... 1.00
00:08:35.000 A test if you're a piece of shit or not when you watch that? 1.00
00:08:39.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:08:40.000 Yeah, we should show that to a lot of people.
00:08:43.000 What's your reaction? 1.00
00:08:44.000 Oh, you're a piece of shit. 1.00
00:08:46.000 You're a sociopath. 1.00
00:08:47.000 But no, I mean, there's what you were just getting at as far as, believe me, I'm not that guy that I didn't feel special or like any one of those sort of heart of gold angels. 0.96
00:08:57.000 We have the line that's in the movie where Mark just says that's for the kind of people that volunteer when it's not even a holiday and we don't do that.
00:09:03.000 Yeah, you should probably tell the audience that I'm not starring in this movie right now.
00:09:07.000 Oh, you're starring in it?
00:09:08.000 No, those people are like, so Tom stars?
00:09:10.000 No, it's Mark Wahlberg.
00:09:12.000 You're starring in the movie for like four and a half minutes.
00:09:14.000 There you go.
00:09:15.000 And then everyone else is.
00:09:16.000 And then Mark Wahlberg stars in the rest of it.
00:09:18.000 That's true.
00:09:18.000 That's a good way of breaking it down.
00:09:19.000 Well, the movie's only probably like 90 minutes.
00:09:21.000 Yeah.
00:09:21.000 So that's pretty good.
00:09:22.000 That's not bad.
00:09:23.000 We'll have probably like seven scenes.
00:09:24.000 That's good scenes, though.
00:09:25.000 Yeah, they're good scenes.
00:09:27.000 Now you've got a solid presence.
00:09:28.000 You didn't make the poster.
00:09:29.000 Didn't make the poster.
00:09:30.000 Didn't make the poster.
00:09:31.000 No.
00:09:32.000 You know, you made the standee, though.
00:09:33.000 Did you know that?
00:09:34.000 The what?
00:09:34.000 There's a standee in movie theaters, and you're in that.
00:09:36.000 Oh, really?
00:09:37.000 Yeah.
00:09:37.000 All right.
00:09:38.000 I'll take that.
00:09:39.000 I can steal one.
00:09:40.000 I've never heard that word, standee.
00:09:42.000 Standee.
00:09:42.000 Those are the big cardboard things.
00:09:43.000 Yeah.
00:09:43.000 I never know what those things were called.
00:09:45.000 I didn't know that either.
00:09:46.000 I just called it a cardboard cutout thing.
00:09:47.000 That's what I always call it, cardboard cutout.
00:09:50.000 Standy is the real term.
00:09:53.000 Is that the term in the industry?
00:09:54.000 Oh yeah, that's an industry term.
00:09:55.000 That's a real industry term.
00:09:56.000 You learned something today.
00:09:57.000 Yeah.
00:09:58.000 Wait, so you, because you were telling me this, and I was like, he was about to tell me before you came in.
00:10:03.000 I was like, this sounds like this could be pretty good.
00:10:04.000 Don't tell me.
00:10:05.000 Save it for the podcast.
00:10:06.000 Because he's done, this is the most press Sean's done for a film that he's put out.
00:10:11.000 Did you go under, they were like, let's give you some advice on media?
00:10:14.000 Yeah.
00:10:15.000 Yeah, well, first of all, I'm terrible at it.
00:10:17.000 So there's that.
00:10:18.000 Because I don't do, this is the thing, when you direct a movie, especially movies like the kind of movies that I make, comedies and, you know, big, broad comedies, people don't really care who directed those movies.
00:10:28.000 And I'm good with that.
00:10:29.000 Like, I'm totally good with that.
00:10:31.000 But what usually happens is the studio, the director usually wants to be kind of a part of the campaign.
00:10:38.000 So the studio will find, they'll sort of throw bones at you of, like, press that you can do.
00:10:42.000 And I always tell them, look, if I can be helpful in Anyway, let me know.
00:10:45.000 I'll do whatever you need me to do.
00:10:46.000 But don't throw me any bones because I don't care.
00:10:48.000 I don't need to do this.
00:10:50.000 So they do that to kind of just pump up the ego of the director that certain directors just really want to be the next Quentin Tarantino.
00:10:56.000 Yeah, I can't imagine there's some directors they really have to do it for.
00:11:00.000 Well, I mean, I get it.
00:11:01.000 They don't want you to feel left out or whatever.
00:11:03.000 But on my first couple movies, I thought, oh, I have to do this stuff.
00:11:06.000 And then I realized, I actually had this experience where I was in this red carpet thing, and they brought me up to this reporter, and they said, this is Sean Anders.
00:11:13.000 He directed the movie, and she had this big look on her face, and then she went like, oh, God. 0.95
00:11:18.000 And I was like, no, no, no, it's cool.
00:11:19.000 You don't have to.
00:11:21.000 She was so disappointed.
00:11:23.000 She was so disappointed.
00:11:24.000 And that's when it sunk into me where I was just like, oh, they don't care.
00:11:28.000 So that's fine with me.
00:11:29.000 I'm good there. 1.00
00:11:30.000 Well, they're such fame whores. 1.00
00:11:32.000 They are. 0.99
00:11:33.000 Those red carpet things, they're so weird. 1.00
00:11:35.000 Yeah.
00:11:36.000 Those things are so weird.
00:11:37.000 And some people, that is the highlight of their life.
00:11:40.000 Walking that carpet.
00:11:41.000 Over here, Tom.
00:11:44.000 Get your pose down right.
00:11:48.000 It's a really weird thing.
00:11:50.000 Also, paparazzi at the airport.
00:11:52.000 You have that where I've seen them where I'm at baggage and they're looking around and then they're like, hey, Tom. 0.92
00:11:59.000 And they'll ask me like one thing and they're like, they're obviously not there for me, but they're like, they're like, we got time till fucking whatever. 0.89
00:12:06.000 Seth Rogen gets off the plane.
00:12:07.000 So let me ask you something.
00:12:09.000 And then they're like, all right, never mind.
00:12:10.000 Here's everybody.
00:12:12.000 Like just blow you off.
00:12:13.000 I had it happen only one One time, because this obviously doesn't happen to me, that I was flying into LAX and I was getting off a red eye and I was so just tired. 1.00
00:12:21.000 I looked like shit. 0.50
00:12:22.000 And this guy, these two guys come up and they just were so nice. 0.99
00:12:26.000 They were like, hey, you're Sean Anders, right?
00:12:28.000 And I was like, yeah, yes, I am Sean Anders.
00:12:31.000 Nobody ever, you know.
00:12:32.000 And so it takes me a second to realize.
00:12:34.000 And I thought it was so weird because they were, it was right after, it was shortly after Daddy's Home and that was like the biggest hit.
00:12:40.000 And they were asking me about Horrible Bosses 2 and I was like, wow.
00:12:42.000 Why are they asking me about, of all things, horror?
00:12:44.000 And I thought, oh, because Jennifer Aniston's in it. 0.99
00:12:47.000 So they want me to say something about Jennifer Aniston and just see if they can catch me saying something crazy.
00:12:52.000 Right.
00:12:53.000 Looking for a soundbite slip or something.
00:12:55.000 That's all they try to do.
00:12:56.000 Yeah.
00:12:57.000 It's the worst.
00:12:58.000 It's weird.
00:12:59.000 And my wife is like, what was that?
00:13:00.000 I'm like, it took me like an hour to sort of unpack it.
00:13:03.000 They were trying to make you clickbait.
00:13:04.000 It's nuts.
00:13:05.000 Well, what's interesting, too, is it's like sort of an impromptu Interview that you have to do, right?
00:13:11.000 Like if someone said, hey, this guy's name is Mike, he lives in Studio City, he wants you to go to his house and he's gonna film you, he's gonna ask you wacky questions.
00:13:20.000 You're like, no.
00:13:21.000 But if Mike just shows up at the baggage claim and puts that camera in your face, hey Sean, Jennifer Aniston, man, what's up with the Botox?
00:13:29.000 And then you're like, what? 1.00
00:13:31.000 What the fuck? 0.99
00:13:32.000 You wouldn't do an interview with them under any other circumstances. 1.00
00:13:37.000 Which is one of the weird things that happened during the Roseanne Barr thing.
00:13:41.000 Roseanne Barr, when her show was cancelled and all the controversy was going on, she was supposed to do the podcast. 0.97
00:13:46.000 And it became a big news thing.
00:13:48.000 Because she put it on her Twitter that I'm going to do it, and we talked about it, and then they tried to show up at the podcast studio.
00:13:56.000 So they had all these news people standing outside the podcast studio with their microphones.
00:14:01.000 We're out in front of where Joe Rogan does his podcast, and they thought for some reason, just because they're there, people have to talk to them.
00:14:11.000 I'm here.
00:14:11.000 Talk to me.
00:14:13.000 They're made out of milk.
00:14:15.000 They're barely human.
00:14:16.000 The way they talk is the most boring version of an interview you'd ever get ever.
00:14:21.000 It's a tiny, quick little sound bite, but they feel it because they're there.
00:14:25.000 The camera's on.
00:14:26.000 I've got the microphone.
00:14:28.000 Come on.
00:14:28.000 Do it.
00:14:29.000 If they said, hey, you know, KW Fuck Yourself wants you to come in and sit down for an interview, you'd be like, no, I don't want to talk to them. 0.95
00:14:37.000 I don't have anything to say. 0.96
00:14:39.000 I'll do all my talking on the podcast.
00:14:42.000 Yeah.
00:14:42.000 Well, but, and also, if you're, I mean, I'm in the business, but again, I'm not somebody that does a tremendous amount of press, or at least not until a couple of weeks ago.
00:14:52.000 And if you're not accustomed to that, it's terrifying.
00:14:55.000 It's weird. 1.00
00:14:55.000 Because somebody puts a camera in your face, because immediately you're thinking, like, well, if I just go, you know what, man, fuck you, like, I don't have time for that. 1.00
00:15:01.000 That'd be worse. 1.00
00:15:01.000 Yeah, then you're going to, so you just think, like, I can't even walk away from this. 1.00
00:15:04.000 So you just feel like you're all of a sudden somebody threw a cage over you.
00:15:07.000 And they're not even asking you, can I do this?
00:15:10.000 No.
00:15:10.000 They're just doing it.
00:15:11.000 They're just, hey, Sean.
00:15:12.000 Let me ask you a question, Sean.
00:15:13.000 It's forced.
00:15:14.000 It's forced on you.
00:15:15.000 It puts you in a weird spot.
00:15:18.000 It's like all of a sudden you're on your heels.
00:15:21.000 Yeah, because your instinct is to be defensive.
00:15:23.000 Your instinct is not going to be, I'll give the most thoughtful...
00:15:28.000 Answer to this because it's in the moment.
00:15:30.000 Someone just dropped it on you.
00:15:32.000 So now you're like, okay, and your emotions might be kind of all over the place and you're not stopping to like having a conversation.
00:15:40.000 You're just sort of trying to figure your way out of it.
00:15:43.000 And how many people have ruined their careers or lives on those things? 0.83
00:15:48.000 Just said, Just fucked up and said, one, they're just trying to be funny or just...
00:15:52.000 That's the thing, because they'll misquote you. 0.99
00:15:54.000 Irritated, and then they get you. 0.99
00:15:56.000 And then they put it up, and you're like, fuck, why didn't I think through that? 0.99
00:15:59.000 I was coming home from the airport, I was tired, I was jet-lagged. 0.99
00:16:02.000 Bourdain got a shitload of death threats.
00:16:04.000 Because he said, they asked him, if you had to serve dinner to Kim Jong-un and Donald Trump, what would you serve? 0.52
00:16:11.000 He said, hemlock.
00:16:13.000 He's trying to be funny.
00:16:14.000 Yeah. 1.00
00:16:14.000 And then all these MAGA fucking morons, protesters, they were all sending these tweets like, POTUS, you know, he's threatening POTUS. It was so strange. 1.00
00:16:26.000 Like, where is the secret service? 1.00
00:16:30.000 They should lock this motherfucker up. 1.00
00:16:32.000 You guys are crazy. 1.00
00:16:33.000 It's a joke. 0.99
00:16:34.000 And that's the thing right there is that clickbait articles are – they all make it – it will say like so-and-so said this and they make it sound like somebody like called a press conference to say something ridiculous.
00:16:44.000 And really it was like – like you said, it will be some offhand remark and then people out there that are judging – They never have anybody walk up and put a camera in their face and they just think, well, I would never say anything like that.
00:16:56.000 It's like, you don't know what you would say.
00:16:57.000 You're never in that situation.
00:16:58.000 It's bizarre.
00:17:00.000 It's very bizarre.
00:17:01.000 Yeah, it's super bizarre.
00:17:02.000 So how many of these things did you have to do to promote this film?
00:17:05.000 Because this film is based in a large part of it on your actual life experiences of adopting these kids.
00:17:13.000 How many of these things did you have to wind up doing?
00:17:17.000 A lot, because we did our press junket in New York, and I've done junkets, and usually I do like 6 or 7 or 15 or whatever.
00:17:25.000 I did, in two days, I did like 90, 95. So do the same questions keep coming at you over and over again, and you start developing these canned...
00:17:33.000 Well, that's the thing.
00:17:34.000 You have to, and this is a mistake, and this gets back to what you were getting at before, is that when I would do press on my movies in the past, I'd go to the junket, and people would come in, and they'd ask you more or less the same questions.
00:17:45.000 And I always felt weird, because I just felt like, no, I just want to have a conversation with you.
00:17:49.000 I don't want to be like this disingenuous guy.
00:17:52.000 And then I would be sort of changing up my answers and trying to kind of...
00:17:55.000 And it just essentially just made it boring, and I wasn't really making any kind of a point whatsoever.
00:18:00.000 So...
00:18:02.000 On this one, they were like, look, you've got a message with this movie.
00:18:04.000 You've got things you want to get out with this movie.
00:18:06.000 You've got to learn how to do this.
00:18:08.000 So I went to like a day of media training and it was...
00:18:12.000 No, you didn't.
00:18:14.000 I did.
00:18:15.000 I did.
00:18:16.000 And the worst part was...
00:18:18.000 I've done interviews and I've been fine before, but I got this guy sitting across from me who's interviewing me doing this mock interview and then I've got the publicist and my writing partner and they're just staring at me and now all of a sudden I can't do it at all.
00:18:32.000 The pressure's there.
00:18:33.000 Who's teaching you?
00:18:35.000 Who's teaching this media training? 0.99
00:18:37.000 Were they right away like, you kind of suck at this show? 0.97
00:18:39.000 Yeah, they were. 0.99
00:18:40.000 They absolutely were.
00:18:41.000 I mean, they were really nice about it.
00:18:43.000 They were like, okay, alright, well there's some room for proof of it.
00:18:46.000 Oh, my God.
00:18:47.000 Really?
00:18:48.000 Oh, yeah.
00:18:48.000 No, it was the worst.
00:18:50.000 You seem like a natural – I mean, what is there to teach you?
00:18:53.000 Well, no.
00:18:54.000 Well, this is the thing.
00:18:55.000 I'm really comfortable with this, with us just hanging out here talking.
00:18:59.000 Sure.
00:18:59.000 But this is what I do is I yammer.
00:19:01.000 I'm a nervous talker.
00:19:03.000 So you ask me a question.
00:19:04.000 If I'm nervous, I just kind of go and go and go.
00:19:06.000 And people are like, Jesus, you know?
00:19:09.000 And so – Man, that guy can talk, man.
00:19:14.000 So the thing is, I got this guy sitting across from me, really nice guy, and he's the guy who's coaching me, but I know I'm going to get in trouble.
00:19:22.000 So does he give you like fake interviews?
00:19:23.000 Is that how they coach you?
00:19:25.000 First, he gave me a lot of really good insights.
00:19:28.000 And the funny thing is, every rule that he's saying, as he's saying it, I'm going, oh yeah, I do that.
00:19:33.000 Oh yeah.
00:19:33.000 Like everything he's saying that I shouldn't be doing, I'm like, oh yeah, that's, I always do.
00:19:37.000 Like what is he saying you shouldn't be doing?
00:19:39.000 I mean that the main thing – it's kind of like what we were getting at before that when somebody is setting a trap for you.
00:19:45.000 Because so much of right now media training is just about don't go out and get yourself into trouble by going in and just talking about some ridiculous area.
00:19:53.000 Because that's what people – that's what everybody is trying to do now.
00:19:56.000 Like just as a – for example, I did a Time Magazine interview about adoption about a year before we even made the movie.
00:20:03.000 Really?
00:20:03.000 Yeah.
00:20:04.000 And it was just because I was in the process of working on the movie.
00:20:08.000 And anyway, so the whole thing was just about adoption in my family and whatever.
00:20:12.000 And it was right when the Harvey Weinstein stuff was blowing up.
00:20:15.000 So the lady's really nice interviewing. 1.00
00:20:17.000 And then at the end she says, hey, you know, since I'm talking to a Hollywood director, I'd be remiss if I didn't ask, did you know about that Harvey Weinstein stuff?
00:20:25.000 And I was like, no.
00:20:27.000 And I didn't even think about my answer because I don't.
00:20:30.000 You know, I didn't know the guy.
00:20:32.000 I was never around any of it.
00:20:33.000 That's sort of more like fancy movies.
00:20:34.000 And I was like, yeah, no, I don't know.
00:20:37.000 I never met the guy or whatever.
00:20:38.000 I didn't think anything of it.
00:20:39.000 I got off the phone and then I thought, oh, she didn't say, what do you think about this stuff?
00:20:43.000 She said, did you know about that stuff?
00:20:46.000 And it was like...
00:20:47.000 Yeah, I knew, but I kept it a secret. 1.00
00:20:50.000 Fuck those people. 1.00
00:20:51.000 And I just thought right away. 1.00
00:20:53.000 I just, you know.
00:20:55.000 Wow.
00:20:56.000 Yeah, it's sneaky.
00:20:57.000 That's a sneaky way of asking.
00:20:59.000 It's a sneaky way to get you, too.
00:21:01.000 Yeah.
00:21:01.000 Did you know?
00:21:02.000 Yeah.
00:21:03.000 Yeah.
00:21:03.000 Did you know?
00:21:04.000 Sean Enders kept his Weinstein secret for years. 1.00
00:21:07.000 And I'm such a dumb shit. 0.99
00:21:08.000 I would have, like you said before, I think a year or two ago, I might have made a joke, you know, and been like, oh, yeah, I was there, you know? 1.00
00:21:17.000 I would have said something stupid, just kidding. 0.91
00:21:19.000 Yeah. 0.99
00:21:19.000 Sean Enders was there. 0.99
00:21:20.000 Yeah.
00:21:21.000 And then I'd be like, what?
00:21:23.000 So a lot of it is just to kind of teach you how to just sort of stay on point so that you don't get dragged down these weird roads into these things that people are looking to get you in on clickbait.
00:21:35.000 So did you bring up that instance when you went through the training?
00:21:38.000 Oh, yeah.
00:21:39.000 Did you say, what should I have said?
00:21:40.000 Yeah.
00:21:41.000 I think I did.
00:21:42.000 I think, and really what they teach you, it was funny, because believe it or not, he said, I'm going to show you some clips of, you know, sort of doing it right and doing it wrong.
00:21:51.000 Oh, they have disaster clips they saved?
00:21:52.000 They do.
00:21:53.000 And one of them, the funny thing is...
00:21:54.000 Do you have a file that you sent to Jamie before the show?
00:21:56.000 Well, you guys will probably all know this one.
00:21:58.000 They showed me a clip of Quentin Tarantino sort of like getting really angry with this reporter.
00:22:03.000 I remember that.
00:22:04.000 Was that the violent thing?
00:22:05.000 Yeah.
00:22:05.000 I thought it was kind of great.
00:22:07.000 Didn't he try to kick some guy's ass? 1.00
00:22:08.000 That lady was like, your films are disgusting and violent. 1.00
00:22:12.000 And he was like, yeah, they're fucking movies, dummy. 1.00
00:22:14.000 Like, he gets really upset about it. 0.99
00:22:16.000 Where was this?
00:22:17.000 Actually, I don't know if it's the same one, because the one that I saw was a guy.
00:22:20.000 Oh, I saw one with a lady. 0.99
00:22:22.000 But that was via satellite.
00:22:23.000 Oh, okay.
00:22:24.000 So this is a different one, then. 1.00
00:22:25.000 There was one with a guy who was threatening to kick the guy's ass. 0.98
00:22:28.000 The one that I saw didn't go that far, but I actually kind of liked what he did, because he was like, no, I'm not playing that game with you. 0.98
00:22:35.000 I'm not doing it.
00:22:36.000 And he got all pissed off.
00:22:37.000 But I was sort of like, eh.
00:22:38.000 You know, I like that he does that.
00:22:40.000 Yeah, I mean, I like the one with the lady.
00:22:43.000 The lady is like, your movies are so violent and awful. 1.00
00:22:45.000 And he's like, a movie?
00:22:46.000 A make-believe thing?
00:22:48.000 It's not real violence.
00:22:49.000 Like, he really sasses her. 0.99
00:22:51.000 It's funny as shit. 0.99
00:22:51.000 And then I also... 0.99
00:22:53.000 Where is she?
00:22:53.000 Where was she?
00:22:53.000 It was like, he was doing, you know, she was like, Good Morning Pittsburgh, like the entertainment reporter.
00:22:59.000 And then he was actually probably doing, like, satellite stuff everywhere. 1.00
00:23:03.000 And he was just like, you're dumb. 1.00
00:23:05.000 So... 1.00
00:23:07.000 But I also saw, there's that guy, he's a gotcha guy too, did Robert Downey Jr. It was like promoting a movie too.
00:23:14.000 I don't know if they showed you that one.
00:23:15.000 Oh, I saw that one.
00:23:16.000 Right?
00:23:16.000 And the guy's like, no, you're drug addiction.
00:23:18.000 He was like, wait, what?
00:23:20.000 It was totally to try to get him to, you know, in a moment.
00:23:24.000 And Robert Downey Jr. is not having it.
00:23:26.000 He's like, I'm here to promote a movie.
00:23:29.000 This has nothing to do with that.
00:23:31.000 Totally.
00:23:31.000 Is that what he said?
00:23:32.000 But let's get into your drug addiction.
00:23:34.000 Yeah.
00:23:35.000 During your darkest times.
00:23:37.000 What are you talking about, man?
00:23:38.000 Iron Man's out.
00:23:39.000 I'm not here for that.
00:23:41.000 He ends it, too.
00:23:42.000 They're so selfish. 1.00
00:23:44.000 Doing shit like that is so selfish. 1.00
00:23:46.000 It's such a sneaky little thing to do. 1.00
00:23:49.000 What do they teach you, though, in that moment of Quentin?
00:23:52.000 They're just like, don't get emotional?
00:23:54.000 Well, it's like, don't take the bait.
00:23:55.000 And more than anything for me, because I'm from Wisconsin, and I still have that kind of everybody's nice, everybody has good intentions kind of vibe, you know?
00:24:05.000 And I had this experience on my very first movie where I talked to this reporter, because it was a movie about, it was a road trip, you It's just a silly road trip comedy.
00:24:16.000 And I talked to this reporter and he says – and he was just being – he was being really cool.
00:24:20.000 We were just kind of hanging out after this thing talking and he's like – and gas prices were really high.
00:24:24.000 And he goes, so you – he's like, you feel weird about making a road trip movie when gas prices are so high?
00:24:30.000 And I said like, I don't know.
00:24:32.000 Maybe if the movie tanks, I can just blame it on that.
00:24:34.000 No one could afford to go to the theater because the prices were so high. 1.00
00:24:38.000 And I don't think, and then this article comes out that just, the guy literally said I was swarthy looking and it just, he just painted me like an absolute piece of shit. 1.00
00:24:46.000 Wow. 0.99
00:24:47.000 And I was like, that guy was so cool.
00:24:49.000 Like he was, like we were having a good time talking and then he just destroyed me.
00:24:53.000 I've been there.
00:24:54.000 Yeah, I'm sure you guys have.
00:24:56.000 It's all new to me.
00:24:57.000 I remember one, too, who did it to me.
00:25:00.000 When I was just doing a phone interview for press before I was selling any tickets, and the guy was just a really nice guy and totally twisted things and made it seem like...
00:25:13.000 Just, like, he knows what I was saying, and he purposely twisted things around. 0.99
00:25:18.000 And it had real no impact, but I remember reading that and being like, oh, fuck this guy. 0.84
00:25:24.000 And be careful when you talk to these people, because he totally, he knows what I was trying to say, and I read this article, and I was like, he misrepresented everything. 0.98
00:25:33.000 Yeah.
00:25:34.000 Well, that's the only way they can have fun.
00:25:37.000 If you're just a normal guy and you give normal answers and you're thoughtful and considerate, that's not as good for them.
00:25:45.000 It's boring to them.
00:25:46.000 So they'll twist it around.
00:25:47.000 Well, it's not as profitable.
00:25:49.000 It's more profitable, especially if it's an online thing.
00:25:52.000 With an online thing, you need a clickbait title.
00:25:54.000 You need a bunch of people clicking on that thing because otherwise you're not going to get any ad revenue for it.
00:25:58.000 It's a very bizarre model.
00:26:00.000 Where it's encouraging people to be deceptive and to make these things inflammatory.
00:26:07.000 And I gotta say, I mean, look, I did, like I said, I did 90, 95 interviews in the course of two days.
00:26:13.000 And virtually everybody was really cool, really asking really thoughtful, interesting questions.
00:26:19.000 So I don't want to make it sound like I'm ripping on the whole press over this.
00:26:22.000 But yeah, there are these people.
00:26:23.000 And that's the thing is that if it was every single person that came along, it would almost be easier because you could just kind of be like, okay, here we go.
00:26:30.000 Right, right, right.
00:26:31.000 But you get like 30 really good reporters with integrity and good people and then somebody jumps in and you're like, oh, and then they catch you not looking because you're not looking for that guy.
00:26:43.000 They also get super jaded.
00:26:45.000 It's almost like cops that have arrested too many people. 0.98
00:26:47.000 Everyone's a crook. 1.00
00:26:48.000 They just think that everybody they're interviewing is a piece of shit. 1.00
00:26:51.000 It's also like they're interviewing these Hollywood people. 1.00
00:26:54.000 They're thinking of you.
00:26:55.000 You had a big mansion, driving a Mercedes.
00:26:57.000 You got all this money. 1.00
00:26:58.000 Fuck this guy. 1.00
00:26:59.000 It's like this instant take on it. 1.00
00:27:01.000 Oh, Hollywood director. 1.00
00:27:03.000 How's your casting couch, you piece of shit? 1.00
00:27:06.000 Yeah, it's true. 1.00
00:27:07.000 It's true.
00:27:08.000 And it becomes the game, I think, too, for them.
00:27:10.000 The game is like...
00:27:11.000 Let's see if I can get one.
00:27:13.000 And we should be real clear.
00:27:14.000 This is not most people.
00:27:16.000 Most people are nice. 0.99
00:27:17.000 But it's just like one, even if it's only one out of ten, you run into that one, you're like, fuck these things. 0.97
00:27:22.000 I don't want to do these things anymore.
00:27:24.000 It's terrifying because you think about your family, your friends, like anybody who's going to, because now there is this, and I know you guys talk about this a lot, there is this culture out there where people are completely reduced to like one moment or one statement or whatever it is,
00:27:40.000 and that's all you are.
00:27:41.000 Yeah.
00:27:42.000 Whatever that thing that happened in that one moment.
00:27:45.000 And, you know, you see it happening to people all the time.
00:27:48.000 And you think about – so when you're there and you feel like you're just a regular guy, you don't feel like, you know, that it's really scary because you think about your kids and you think, you know, so it's a scary situation.
00:27:59.000 Yeah.
00:28:01.000 Yeah, well, it's a weird time for these publications, too.
00:28:04.000 There's nothing to take into consideration.
00:28:06.000 No one's really buying magazines and newspapers like they used to.
00:28:12.000 It's hard to sell. 0.76
00:28:13.000 And so they're reduced to these online publications, and they have to compete with a bunch of These clickbaity bullshit things, and that's where the money is. 0.92
00:28:22.000 I mean, even in New York Times, man. 0.99
00:28:23.000 The New York Times is resulting to a lot of clickbaity shit now, and you're like, wow. 0.97
00:28:27.000 Well, do you guys have that feeling, like, when you're online, that you're on, like, a clickbait diet where you see things where you're like, oh, man, I totally want to eat that right now, but I'm not going to do that. 0.98
00:28:37.000 I'm better than that.
00:28:38.000 Let me look at the ingredients.
00:28:40.000 Open it up.
00:28:41.000 Oh, it's so sweet.
00:28:42.000 Yeah.
00:28:43.000 You learn to navigate it now.
00:28:45.000 You read that title and you're like, I know this will have no substance.
00:28:49.000 This is just the headline.
00:28:51.000 I'm fascinated to see where this goes because this didn't exist.
00:28:55.000 These online click-baity things didn't exist 20 years ago.
00:28:58.000 And now they're everywhere.
00:28:59.000 It's like, what's going to happen in 10 years?
00:29:02.000 Where is it going to be?
00:29:03.000 Where is this going?
00:29:04.000 I'm very fascinated.
00:29:06.000 You know, very, very fascinating to see.
00:29:08.000 Because it feels like a transitional time.
00:29:09.000 It doesn't feel like it can hold out like this forever.
00:29:12.000 That's true.
00:29:12.000 Yeah, yeah, I agree.
00:29:13.000 Because it hurts.
00:29:14.000 I mean, and this is the reason why I think podcast culture is coming on strong, because it's a place where people just talk and have a conversation.
00:29:23.000 And I think that fear of slipping up and people always like out there trying to get you to slip up or whatever, has people not having as much of a free exchange of ideas.
00:29:33.000 Yeah.
00:29:33.000 Yeah, but through these podcasts, one thing that does happen is people will take a very small clip out of context and then write a whole article about that small clip with a big click-baity headline like Tom Segura shits all over people in Somalia.
00:29:49.000 And then, you know, whatever it is.
00:29:51.000 Did you do that?
00:29:51.000 No.
00:29:52.000 I mean, it was a different city.
00:29:54.000 I just made something up.
00:29:56.000 But then, you know, it could be...
00:29:59.000 It's completely out of context.
00:30:00.000 Yeah.
00:30:01.000 And a giant overall discussion of a topic that took place over 45 minutes, and they'll take 30 seconds of that and put a YouTube clip up, and then you get a bunch of angry people tweeting at you.
00:30:13.000 That's true. 0.99
00:30:14.000 But the flip side of it is that I feel like in this time, we're developing more of an audience that is quick to call that shit out. 0.97
00:30:23.000 So while there are going to be people that take the bait and be like, what is it, and get angry, there's a bunch of people who are really quick to recognize that that's taken out of context. 0.97
00:30:33.000 Well, it's because people like you and I and a lot of other people that do podcasts talk about that all the time.
00:30:39.000 So people hear it all the time and they see the examples of it and they go, wow, that's crazy.
00:30:43.000 Some of it is so egregious. 1.00
00:30:45.000 You're a piece of shit. 1.00
00:30:46.000 Someone should pull your license. 1.00
00:30:48.000 If you were a doctor, they'd pull your fucking license. 1.00
00:30:51.000 As a journalist, there's a lot of wiggle room with being a piece of shit. 1.00
00:30:55.000 Yeah, there is. 1.00
00:30:57.000 I use the word journalist, air quotes.
00:31:00.000 Podcasts, this medium is just going to grow and people are embracing more of this long-form conversation and understanding things by talking about it for a while.
00:31:11.000 Well, and the other part of it that I think, Pete, that gets lost sometimes is that, you know, like right now we're talking about like journalists, but the great journalists are just as hurt by this stuff as everyone because the people that are really out there being thoughtful, really researching their material,
00:31:28.000 really talking to people, getting to the bottom of things, that whole journalistic work ethic that we all grew up hearing about, those people are just as threatened by this cheap, The sort of attack journalism that happens because they can't even compete with it with a really thoughtful,
00:31:44.000 well-researched story.
00:31:45.000 And then somebody's like, he touched a boob.
00:31:47.000 And then there's like, they get all the clicks.
00:31:49.000 I was talking to Matt Taibbi, who's a real journalist.
00:31:53.000 And Matt Taibbi was discussing the pieces that he wrote on Wall Street. 0.99
00:31:57.000 And the crash of 2008 and all of the fucking shenanigans that went on with that and how much just crazy shit they're allowed to do and what they can't... 0.98
00:32:09.000 What a Ponzi scheme a lot of that 2008 crash was. 0.98
00:32:13.000 And you...
00:32:15.000 When I was talking to him, I realized, like...
00:32:17.000 We're good to go. 0.86
00:32:40.000 You know, betting on things falling apart and moving money around and how fucking chaotic it is and how crazy it is.
00:32:47.000 And then you think of how much time put on that and then in proportion how few people actually read that and how little it affected the actual economy itself.
00:32:56.000 Like how little things changed and how little people were outraged.
00:33:01.000 Like his article, I don't know if you ever read the Rolling Stone piece on it?
00:33:03.000 Mm-mm. 0.99
00:33:04.000 Fucking amazing. 0.99
00:33:06.000 He worked on that for... 0.99
00:33:08.000 Forever!
00:33:08.000 Yeah.
00:33:09.000 Yeah.
00:33:09.000 But you don't care that much about it.
00:33:12.000 Right.
00:33:12.000 You know what I mean?
00:33:13.000 It's like, those people never went to jail.
00:33:16.000 Billions of dollars just disappeared.
00:33:19.000 It all got moved around and everybody abracadabra and they moved the cape.
00:33:23.000 Ha! 0.89
00:33:24.000 Ta-da! 1.00
00:33:25.000 And then it moves on.
00:33:27.000 And he details it in this amazing way.
00:33:31.000 And you realize, wow, how many of those guys are left?
00:33:34.000 How many of those real journalists are left?
00:33:37.000 Right.
00:33:38.000 And this is a...
00:33:40.000 You have to invest in something like that.
00:33:42.000 I mean, he's putting a year into just researching what this is all about. 0.98
00:33:47.000 It's fucking insane. 0.99
00:33:49.000 I mean, and then instead, you know, it's like Kim Kardashian got her butt done again. 0.99
00:33:54.000 Boom. 0.96
00:33:55.000 Boom.
00:33:55.000 50 times more people are paying attention to that.
00:33:57.000 Well, let me ask you this, because I think in a weird way, this weird time that we're in right now could actually be the rebirth of that kind of journalism that you're talking about.
00:34:07.000 Because I know that when everything was getting kind of crazy and people were talking about all this, I did subscribe to the online version of some papers because I thought, I do want to support people that are actually...
00:34:25.000 People with integrity that are out there chasing stories and informing the world and helping us out. 0.97
00:34:31.000 Also, they fuck you over if you don't do it. 0.99
00:34:33.000 You can't read like 10 New York Times articles and they cut you off. 1.00
00:34:37.000 You're like, oh, you bitch. 1.00
00:34:38.000 No, you have to subscribe. 1.00
00:34:40.000 Good for you, though.
00:34:42.000 I wish it was a little easier to do, though. 0.96
00:34:47.000 They set it up with Apple OneClick or some shit.
00:34:50.000 Yeah, I think it is now. 0.98
00:34:52.000 Yeah, it's kind of a pain.
00:34:53.000 I don't get that why.
00:34:54.000 I subscribe to a few of them, and if I go to the app, obviously everything's fine, but if I try to read it through another link, it's like, ah, you already...
00:35:03.000 I'm like, but I'm a subscriber.
00:35:04.000 I don't know.
00:35:04.000 It's kind of annoying.
00:35:05.000 Yeah, yeah, because then you've got to jump into the app and then find the story again and that kind of stuff.
00:35:09.000 It's annoying.
00:35:10.000 But I get it.
00:35:11.000 I mean, they have to figure out some way to generate a revenue.
00:35:14.000 And this whole, these last two years have been huge for the subscriptions on those.
00:35:21.000 I mean, like, grown by millions.
00:35:23.000 You know, as print paper has gone down, those online subscriptions have gone way, way up.
00:35:29.000 Really?
00:35:29.000 Oh, yeah.
00:35:30.000 Oh, yeah.
00:35:30.000 So they're profitable.
00:35:31.000 Yeah.
00:35:31.000 Definitely.
00:35:32.000 Definitely.
00:35:33.000 I mean, I just saw that whoever the editor-in-chief of New York Times doing an interview about their recent subscription model, it was impressive.
00:35:43.000 I mean, it really went high.
00:35:44.000 Well, if you do good work – I mean there's people out there that have a hunger for actual real journalism.
00:35:50.000 Yeah.
00:35:51.000 And also in-depth, intelligent, comprehensive understandings of what is happening.
00:35:58.000 Yeah.
00:35:58.000 A real – a well-researched take on a particular situation.
00:36:04.000 When somebody does it like that guy did about like the subprime mortgage – You know, and they spent all that time, and they write that story.
00:36:12.000 I mean, it's like reading, like, a good book.
00:36:15.000 You just can't stop reading it.
00:36:16.000 I mean, did you read that Dirty John story in the L.A. Times?
00:36:20.000 What is that?
00:36:21.000 Man, and now they're making a—they have, like, a miniseries coming out about it.
00:36:24.000 I remember reading it and not being able to stop reading it, and it was, like, an eight-part series in the L.A. Times about— This guy who was a sociopath who would go on to dating sites and basically bait women who were,
00:36:41.000 like, divorcees, who had some money. 0.71
00:36:43.000 He was posturing as a doctor and, like, would pretend to have this really successful life and just be a pariah that would, like, suck onto these people. 0.90
00:36:54.000 And this story went... 0.90
00:36:56.000 Really deep about how this guy found this woman.
00:36:59.000 Her daughters were like grown daughters.
00:37:02.000 Immediately suspected things were wrong.
00:37:04.000 She didn't see it.
00:37:05.000 But the story unravels the way like a good book or like a thriller would, you know, would unravel in the theater.
00:37:13.000 So you're just like, like the guy, you know, he researched it.
00:37:16.000 I forget his name.
00:37:17.000 They turned it into a podcast.
00:37:18.000 And then now it's coming out as a short series.
00:37:22.000 That's the guy?
00:37:22.000 That's the guy.
00:37:23.000 That's the real guy.
00:37:23.000 Wow.
00:37:24.000 Christopher Gofford.
00:37:26.000 And man, so it would be like part one in this series.
00:37:29.000 You'd read this and you're like, all right, all right.
00:37:32.000 You're like scrambling to read the next part.
00:37:33.000 That's freaking me out because he's moving.
00:37:35.000 Like his image is moving slowly.
00:37:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:37:38.000 Slowly pulling away.
00:37:39.000 That's the real guy.
00:37:40.000 It's a fascinating read.
00:37:42.000 Wow.
00:37:42.000 And I recommend reading it, man.
00:37:44.000 I mean, it is really good.
00:37:45.000 So was this guy a career criminal?
00:37:49.000 He was a career criminal that hit it well, but it's interesting.
00:37:56.000 I remember reading it and you're kind of fascinated how the daughters know.
00:38:00.000 They just know.
00:38:01.000 They keep going back to like, this doesn't add up.
00:38:04.000 But she's kind of lost in the love and attention and excitement of this relationship.
00:38:09.000 And he's just preying on her.
00:38:10.000 He is preying on her.
00:38:11.000 And he empties her account.
00:38:13.000 I don't want to give it away, man.
00:38:14.000 It's so good.
00:38:15.000 It's so good.
00:38:16.000 You can get it right now?
00:38:19.000 Do you have a subscription?
00:38:21.000 There's a bunch of articles about how big it got released and podcasts in LA Times.
00:38:26.000 There's all sorts of stories about it.
00:38:27.000 Yeah.
00:38:28.000 Well, there's still – I mean for all the people that are into just short attention span, clickbait nonsense, there's still – and there's some sort of a market for actually real stories and real journalism.
00:38:44.000 I wouldn't say that that's what most of it is out there.
00:38:46.000 It's just that we get so much of...
00:38:48.000 I mean, there's such a stockpile of that stuff every day, but when it comes to the actual stories that you're reading, I don't know, maybe I'm Pollyanna about it, but I feel like there's a lot of great stuff out there.
00:38:59.000 I think there's plenty of great stuff.
00:39:01.000 Can you think about the actual amount of content versus how much time you actually have to read?
00:39:05.000 There is great stuff.
00:39:06.000 But if you looked at the overwhelming appetite that people have for media, It's for nonsense.
00:39:13.000 I was watching the Wendy Williams show.
00:39:16.000 I never watched that show before.
00:39:18.000 Jesus Christ, I was watching that show.
00:39:20.000 First of all, there was a girl in the audience that had a crown on. 0.99
00:39:22.000 It was hilarious.
00:39:23.000 The audience alone, like, they should have one half of the screen.
00:39:27.000 Was she marrying herself?
00:39:28.000 She wasn't! 0.77
00:39:31.000 Tom and I were at a restaurant last night and a lady had just gotten married to herself.
00:39:36.000 We were both keeping it together.
00:39:37.000 We found out.
00:39:38.000 We were like, what's going on over there?
00:39:40.000 And then someone was like, she's marrying herself.
00:39:42.000 This is her ceremony.
00:39:43.000 Jesus Christ.
00:39:44.000 You never see guys doing that.
00:39:45.000 I'll tell you this much.
00:39:47.000 Yeah, and my oldest daughter went over and hugged her. 1.00
00:39:50.000 My oldest daughter is the sweetest person in the world.
00:39:52.000 Yeah, yeah.
00:39:53.000 She's so sweet that the lady who married herself was like, your daughter's very sweet. 0.83
00:39:58.000 She wanted to marry her.
00:39:59.000 She's like, listen, I'm married to myself, but I'll marry you too.
00:40:02.000 Let's marry everybody.
00:40:04.000 Yeah, but what were we just talking about?
00:40:09.000 Oh, you said Wendy Williams.
00:40:10.000 Oh, Wendy Williams show.
00:40:11.000 Oh, my goodness.
00:40:12.000 Oh, is that when she fell down? 0.98
00:40:14.000 Yeah.
00:40:14.000 She had a moment in the show where she fainted and fell down.
00:40:18.000 Have you seen, I saw when Aretha died, that Aretha had done an interview with Wendy Williams one time, and it was fucking hilarious. 0.86
00:40:26.000 Why was it hilarious? 0.88
00:40:26.000 Because Aretha Franklin was sassing her a bunch. 0.88
00:40:29.000 Oh, really?
00:40:29.000 Like an OG sassing.
00:40:31.000 It was really, really funny, man.
00:40:33.000 I don't know if you've seen it, but she's just like, Wendy's like, I have an idea for this project or whatever, and Aretha's like, mm-hmm.
00:40:39.000 And she was like, so you want to go in on it?
00:40:42.000 And Aretha's like, you're going to write a check?
00:40:45.000 And she's like, I was thinking Yuko.
00:40:46.000 She's like, oh, you ain't got it, huh?
00:40:48.000 You ain't got the money?
00:40:49.000 That's what I thought.
00:40:50.000 She just turns around on her.
00:40:51.000 It's so funny, man.
00:40:52.000 It's hilarious.
00:40:54.000 Aretha Franklin just so, just owns it, you know?
00:40:57.000 She's been around.
00:40:58.000 She was like not having it at all. 1.00
00:41:00.000 Well, all the show is is Wendy Williams talking shit about people. 0.99
00:41:03.000 And all the girls in the audience going, mm, mm, mm, mm. 0.99
00:41:08.000 They're talking about people getting custody and, oh, she's breaking up with her. 0.99
00:41:12.000 And it's like, wow, that's what – there's a lot of people out there that have an appetite for this stuff.
00:41:17.000 For that, for sure.
00:41:18.000 Including me, obviously. 0.99
00:41:20.000 I fucking sat there. 0.99
00:41:21.000 I'm pet-marshall watching it like, oh, what's going to happen with the kids? 0.99
00:41:24.000 Look how long Jerry Springer stayed on there.
00:41:25.000 Yeah.
00:41:26.000 Right?
00:41:26.000 Yeah.
00:41:27.000 That was a fucking 30-plus year run or something? 0.99
00:41:29.000 You know what's fucked up about that? 0.99
00:41:31.000 Jerry Springer's a smart guy. 0.90
00:41:32.000 Yeah.
00:41:32.000 He's a smart guy.
00:41:33.000 I used to listen to him on the Opie and Anthony show.
00:41:35.000 I was like, whoa, wait a minute.
00:41:37.000 He was the mayor of Cincinnati. 0.96
00:41:38.000 Mayor of Cincinnati got busted paying for a prostitute with a check! 0.72
00:41:42.000 So we all slip up from time to time.
00:41:45.000 That's how he got caught.
00:41:46.000 Yeah.
00:41:46.000 Which is hilarious.
00:41:47.000 Like, checking his accounting.
00:41:49.000 Can I write you a check?
00:41:51.000 Lexus.
00:41:52.000 Who's Lexus?
00:41:56.000 Yeah, that's pretty crazy, man.
00:41:58.000 I don't know.
00:42:00.000 I think there's plenty.
00:42:02.000 What is that?
00:42:02.000 Is that him?
00:42:03.000 Wow.
00:42:04.000 Wow.
00:42:04.000 That's when he was the mayor?
00:42:05.000 A young fella.
00:42:06.000 Looks like he's like 40 years old back then.
00:42:09.000 But it's bizarre how prevalent that stuff is online.
00:42:15.000 I mean, there's just so much.
00:42:17.000 There's so much click-baity nonsense.
00:42:19.000 It's hard.
00:42:20.000 But there's plenty of good journalism.
00:42:22.000 There's plenty of good writing.
00:42:24.000 Yeah.
00:42:24.000 Well, I mean, again, like I said, when I was doing my limited experience in doing this, the vast, vast, vast majority of the people that I've been talking to have been really interested in just talking about adoption and really interested in foster care and all that kind of stuff.
00:42:37.000 And it's been great.
00:42:38.000 It's been great talking to everybody.
00:42:40.000 And I think that when you have a topic like that, too, it helps because...
00:42:44.000 They're not really trying to crush you as much when you're talking to them about kids who need families and homes and that kind of thing.
00:42:50.000 Right, right, right. 1.00
00:42:51.000 Yeah, they have to be careful with letting their piece of shit claws out. 1.00
00:42:58.000 Now you said that your experience with adopting three kids started out as a nightmare. 1.00
00:43:04.000 Yeah.
00:43:04.000 How did it start out as a nightmare?
00:43:05.000 Well, it goes into it... 0.97
00:43:06.000 You know, you have friends that join the military, and when they're in high school, they think they're really tough, and they're like, yeah, yeah, it's going to be awesome, and then they go to boot camp, and then they're like, oh, shit, this is really hard. 0.86
00:43:17.000 And then they get on top of it, and then they're good again. 0.84
00:43:19.000 But they have to go through that transition of like, oh, man, maybe I'm not as tough as I thought I was, and then they get tough.
00:43:24.000 So you never had any kids...
00:43:26.000 I never had any kids.
00:43:27.000 Had dog.
00:43:28.000 You've done the dog thing.
00:43:29.000 Did the dog thing.
00:43:30.000 So you know how to take care of in a very small way.
00:43:33.000 I had a friend who said that to me.
00:43:35.000 He's like, well, I've had a dog.
00:43:37.000 Oh, yeah.
00:43:37.000 He's talking about having a kid.
00:43:38.000 I've heard that a lot. 1.00
00:43:39.000 I'll fucking kill you with a rock. 1.00
00:43:41.000 You better not compare the two. 1.00
00:43:42.000 That's so stupid. 1.00
00:43:44.000 Yeah, and we went from zero kids, and you kind of think, well, I babysat my sister's kids and that kind of thing. 1.00
00:43:52.000 For how long?
00:43:52.000 Yeah, that's the question.
00:43:54.000 A movie.
00:43:55.000 They went to a whole movie.
00:43:56.000 Yeah.
00:43:57.000 Two-hour movie.
00:43:58.000 And even what happens is you go – so for us, we had a really interesting experience where we went to an adoption fair, and that's in the movie.
00:44:07.000 It's a real thing where they – because they – You know, their budgets are stretched so tight that they'll have these outdoor events.
00:44:15.000 Not every county has them, but LA County has them, where they'll bring a bunch of kids that are in the system and a bunch of prospective parents, and they'll just have, like, games and stuff going on.
00:44:26.000 It's a really bizarre event.
00:44:28.000 And we went, you know, and you're there to meet kids, you know, to meet your kids.
00:44:32.000 And so we went there and we didn't want to have anything to do with teenagers because, you know, just because we were scared.
00:44:39.000 We thought we're not ready for that.
00:44:40.000 We just want to find like some cute little kid.
00:44:44.000 And then the teenagers are all off to the side because everybody's afraid of them.
00:44:50.000 And it's the most heartbreaking thing you've ever seen because they know why they're there.
00:44:53.000 Like they chose to be there and they know that everybody's scared of them.
00:44:57.000 So I was there and I was like, oh my god, this is the worst thing I've ever seen.
00:45:00.000 And we ended up sort of inadvertently meeting this teenage girl and her brother and sister.
00:45:07.000 And they just seemed cool and they just seemed like really good kids and just scared, scared, scared.
00:45:13.000 But we wrote them down on our sheet and just, again, not what we had planned on when we did this, but we wrote them down on our sheet and we went home knowing they were going to match us with them because no one else was going to put them down.
00:45:23.000 And we get home.
00:45:25.000 And we find out, yes, you've been matched with these kids.
00:45:27.000 And we're like, okay, here we go.
00:45:29.000 We're going to have a teenager.
00:45:31.000 They were 16, 13, and 11. Boom.
00:45:35.000 Yeah.
00:45:36.000 Whoa.
00:45:37.000 So we're kind of wrapping our heads around this over the next couple weeks.
00:45:41.000 And we got to a place where we were like, okay.
00:45:44.000 You know, we can do this.
00:45:45.000 And then we got a call from the social worker and she said, you know, it's not going to work out with them.
00:45:51.000 They've been in the system for four years.
00:45:53.000 The girl, she's really holding out hope that her mom is coming for her.
00:45:57.000 So she's refusing the placement.
00:46:00.000 And so we tried to – and I was like – I was – when you hear that, it's so – just the same reaction you guys just had.
00:46:09.000 So my wife and I wrote a letter to send through the social workers just saying, hey, look, we get it.
00:46:16.000 If you – maybe you guys just want to come and just do the foster thing or however you want to do it.
00:46:21.000 And we just sort of sent the letter off.
00:46:23.000 We didn't hear anything.
00:46:24.000 And then she came back and she just said, yeah, it's not going to happen.
00:46:27.000 And then she very matter-of-factly just said, but there's these other three kids.
00:46:31.000 And those kids are my kids now, who I love more than anything in the world.
00:46:35.000 And that's how it started.
00:46:37.000 There's these other three kids.
00:46:39.000 And we were like, oh, all right.
00:46:41.000 And you want there to be, or I shouldn't say, I mean, I wanted there to be a certain amount of randomness, like when you have, You know, biological kids, you don't know what you're going to get.
00:46:49.000 Yeah.
00:46:50.000 And go into that event where you're sort of like meeting kids and it feels weird.
00:46:55.000 And so when she said there's these other three kids, we said, okay.
00:46:58.000 And then they turned out to be younger, you know, 6, 3, and 18 months.
00:47:03.000 But I never forgot meeting that girl and her brother and sister.
00:47:07.000 So when the time came that we were going to make a movie about it, that was the genesis of the Lizzie character.
00:47:13.000 I wanted to make sure there was a teenager in this movie because they're so misunderstood.
00:47:19.000 And in the process, I went out and met with a bunch of families that had adopted teen girls and then met with a lot of those girls, some of whom are grown up and some of whom are still with their families.
00:47:31.000 And this is the thing, you know, the scariness that we're all talking about.
00:47:35.000 Every one of these families that I met with, just great stories, like amazing great stories, like hard times, you know, trying to make that connection and whatever, but everybody with the same story wouldn't have it any other way, changed our life for the better, met these incredible kids,
00:47:52.000 and...
00:47:55.000 Yeah, and now I'm yammering.
00:47:56.000 No, you're not yammering at all.
00:47:58.000 How old are they now?
00:48:00.000 How many years have you had them?
00:48:02.000 Almost seven years.
00:48:03.000 So my son Johnny just turned 13. My daughter's nine and my other son is eight.
00:48:09.000 How long was it between the phone calls, like, I had these other three kids and you actually getting them in your house?
00:48:16.000 God, what was it?
00:48:18.000 It was a couple of weeks because there was...
00:48:21.000 A couple of weeks?
00:48:21.000 That's it?
00:48:21.000 Yeah, no, it wasn't long at all.
00:48:23.000 Whoa.
00:48:24.000 But yeah, because they called and they said, we have these other three kids, and then there was going to be a meeting because they...
00:48:32.000 They won't tell you much about the kids until they really sit down with you.
00:48:37.000 And then they kind of walk through, like, here's, you know, whatever trauma, here's whatever, you know, kind of...
00:48:41.000 And again, in our case, they don't have all the information, obviously, on their past.
00:48:46.000 So they can kind of tell you, like, here's how they came into the system and that kind of thing.
00:48:50.000 So I wasn't able to go because I was at a work thing.
00:48:54.000 And so my wife went to the meeting and I was, like, listening to it, you know, and I was on speakerphone in the meeting.
00:49:00.000 And...
00:49:01.000 And there was this one moment, you know, and she's telling us everything, and there's this one moment where she slides the picture across to my wife and says, here's a picture of them.
00:49:09.000 And there's this long pause, and my wife goes, oh.
00:49:13.000 They're cute.
00:49:14.000 They didn't sound cute by the inflection in their voice.
00:49:17.000 And, you know, you're trying not to be that guy, you know, that you're like, wait, what do they look like?
00:49:23.000 But, you know, you don't want to be shallow about it.
00:49:25.000 I mean, kids are kids, and you know you're going to fall in love with them regardless.
00:49:28.000 But, you know, like, everybody wants to think their own kids are cute, whatever.
00:49:32.000 So it was funny.
00:49:33.000 And then when I saw the picture, the picture was just a weird, bad picture of the kids.
00:49:37.000 Like, my son, who was six at the time, looked like he was 11, and he looked like this...
00:49:41.000 It was just the look on his face and whatever.
00:49:44.000 Yeah, he looks hard.
00:49:46.000 And we go over to the house and these kids are adorable.
00:49:50.000 Oh, so this is, sorry, I'm getting ahead of myself.
00:49:52.000 So we have the meeting and we go, okay, we're going to go meet with them.
00:49:55.000 And just to be clear, we didn't say okay because of the picture.
00:49:58.000 Because the picture was kind of like neither here nor there, you know?
00:50:00.000 We were just like, all right, let's go meet these kids.
00:50:03.000 So we go to the house and these kids are adorable.
00:50:06.000 And it's the weirdest thing ever because you go to this foster home where they live.
00:50:11.000 Thank you.
00:50:12.000 And you play with them for like two hours.
00:50:15.000 And when do you ever play with any kids for two straight hours?
00:50:19.000 Like actually actively play with kids, especially kids you've never met before.
00:50:24.000 So it's exhausting and it's weird.
00:50:26.000 And we touch on this in the movie that I was really scared when we were getting there because I wanted so much to walk in, see these kids well up with tears, know it's for real, know these are my kids and just have that like cosmic connection moment.
00:50:42.000 And that didn't happen at all.
00:50:43.000 It's more weird, right?
00:50:45.000 It's so weird.
00:50:46.000 I'm going to live with you.
00:50:47.000 Yeah.
00:50:48.000 And the little kids are just kind of like, it's actually weird in the other direction.
00:50:53.000 They're so used to kind of being passed around that they're just kind of like, oh, okay, who are these people now?
00:50:59.000 And so we get in there.
00:51:01.000 And then the foster mom in our case was like, go to your mom and dad.
00:51:06.000 And I was like, oh, don't do that.
00:51:07.000 Don't do that.
00:51:08.000 Don't say that.
00:51:10.000 Slow your roll, lady. 1.00
00:51:11.000 Because it just felt so obtrusive to the kids, you know?
00:51:14.000 And so we would go there every day for five straight days.
00:51:18.000 We would go there when the kids were off school and we'd go and play with them first in the backyard and then you'd take them to the park and then you'd take them to the park and you'd take them out for ice cream and you're just kind of like getting to know these kids.
00:51:29.000 Kids that are strangers.
00:51:30.000 Did you try to change their names?
00:51:32.000 Yeah, first day.
00:51:33.000 As soon as we walked in, I was like, you're...
00:51:34.000 You're Mike now!
00:51:38.000 No, we didn't do that.
00:51:40.000 The little one wouldn't even know, though, dude.
00:51:42.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:51:43.000 That is true.
00:51:44.000 That is true.
00:51:45.000 No memory.
00:51:45.000 You know what?
00:51:46.000 A lot of people do.
00:51:47.000 In fact, a lot of kids, a lot of older kids that sort of have that will want to change their name, not just their last name.
00:51:54.000 For a new, fresh start?
00:51:55.000 Yeah, that they'll just want to...
00:51:56.000 Really?
00:51:57.000 Yeah.
00:51:58.000 I don't have any experience with that, but I've heard that, that sometimes kids will choose to...
00:52:02.000 There was a young lady that was at the screening last night who was...
00:52:06.000 Her picture is at the end of the movie.
00:52:09.000 She's in Ireland getting her PhD right now, this girl that these people adopted out of foster care.
00:52:14.000 Wow.
00:52:14.000 She's amazing.
00:52:15.000 Yeah.
00:52:16.000 And she had chosen to change her name.
00:52:19.000 Yeah, I mean, that seems like it would mean something.
00:52:22.000 Yeah, now that I think about it, it just seems, you know, changing a name.
00:52:26.000 Yeah.
00:52:27.000 Especially as a teen.
00:52:28.000 But, I mean, I get it if you're saying, like, I want to put everything in the past.
00:52:31.000 Yeah, you want a fresh start.
00:52:33.000 Really lock it down.
00:52:35.000 This is the new me.
00:52:36.000 This is my new life.
00:52:37.000 I'm Kobe Bryant.
00:52:37.000 I used to be number eight.
00:52:38.000 I'm 24 now.
00:52:39.000 Yeah.
00:52:41.000 Well, and that touches on something that is really difficult when you're doing this as an adoptive parent is that you're trying to walk this line all the time where you need to claim these kids for your own.
00:52:54.000 You need to be the person who's like, you're with us.
00:52:57.000 We're with you.
00:52:58.000 We got your back.
00:52:59.000 We're behind you.
00:53:00.000 You need to do that.
00:53:02.000 That's what these kids don't have.
00:53:03.000 This thing that we all take for granted.
00:53:05.000 We have these parents that love us no matter what knucklehead things we do.
00:53:09.000 So you're trying to do that, but at the same time, you're trying not to impose your world on them because they're coming into it with their own personality and their own culture or whatever it is behind them.
00:53:20.000 So you're always trying to kind of be careful and walk this line between just completely bringing them in but not trying to change them into who you are.
00:53:29.000 Did the six-year-old already have things he was really into or sports or activities?
00:53:35.000 Yeah.
00:53:36.000 Yeah.
00:53:36.000 Well, the funny thing is, my son is really athletic, and I'm really not.
00:53:39.000 So I know you guys are, but I'm so not.
00:53:42.000 Tom is.
00:53:43.000 Me especially.
00:53:44.000 He's an acrobat.
00:53:46.000 You saw what I was doing yesterday. 0.52
00:53:48.000 The guy's an animal.
00:53:49.000 But no, he's really athletic and he's just always been good with all of that stuff.
00:53:55.000 And it's funny for me because I wasn't that kid at all.
00:53:57.000 But it's great for me because I'm like, he's able to do the stuff that I wanted to do so badly when I was little.
00:54:02.000 I sucked at sports and I so wanted to be good at sports.
00:54:05.000 And he's really good at it.
00:54:07.000 What does he play?
00:54:08.000 Well, I mean, whatever he plays, he just tends to be pretty good at it.
00:54:11.000 So he played flag football for a while, and he's playing lacrosse now, and he's playing soccer.
00:54:15.000 Dude, keep him away from lacrosse and football.
00:54:17.000 We were just playing it with Brennan Schaub the other day. 0.96
00:54:19.000 I had no idea how many people get knocked the fuck out playing lacrosse. 0.92
00:54:24.000 Really? 1.00
00:54:24.000 Oh, lacrosse is fucking violent, man. 1.00
00:54:26.000 Violent! 0.99
00:54:27.000 We were saying, like, there's a difference between this even in football in that they're striking each other.
00:54:32.000 You're allowed to.
00:54:33.000 They're allowed to hit each other with a stick, but they're also striking each other with elbows.
00:54:36.000 They're running in, and they have the stick in their hand, and they're elbowing each other in their face as they're running.
00:54:42.000 I mean, whoa, it's a crazy amount of force that they generate.
00:54:46.000 And these kids are getting flatlined.
00:54:48.000 And I'm like, that's because I had Dale Earnhardt Jr. here the other day on.
00:54:53.000 Really nice guy.
00:54:55.000 Great guy.
00:54:56.000 Suffered 12 concussions over a period of four years.
00:55:00.000 Racing?
00:55:00.000 Yes.
00:55:01.000 And has some significant brain damage because of it that he had to go through. 0.99
00:55:06.000 Therapy for, to help him, to the point where he was walking and he had to hold onto things because his balance was so fucked up. 0.97
00:55:12.000 He couldn't just walk. 0.97
00:55:14.000 Couldn't get off the couch and walk to the bathroom.
00:55:16.000 He had to hold onto a table and a chair and make his way through.
00:55:20.000 All of this from concussions. 0.99
00:55:22.000 And, you know, what they're getting in lacrosse or they're getting in football, it's all the same shit. 0.99
00:55:27.000 It's all head trauma. 1.00
00:55:28.000 It's head trauma, yeah.
00:55:29.000 So I'm a terrible parent?
00:55:31.000 No!
00:55:32.000 My kids go to a very nice school.
00:55:34.000 It's a great school.
00:55:35.000 And we went to a football game the other day where the older kids are playing football.
00:55:39.000 And I'm just sitting there.
00:55:40.000 All the other parents are having a good time, and I'm like, brain damage.
00:55:43.000 Brain damage.
00:55:44.000 There's some brain damage. 1.00
00:55:45.000 I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. 1.00
00:55:47.000 These are kids. 1.00
00:55:48.000 They're kids running at each other full clip, smashing and falling to the ground.
00:55:52.000 They see the kid get up slow and put his hands on the ground. 1.00
00:55:55.000 He's all fucked up. 0.99
00:55:56.000 I'm like, this is crazy. 1.00
00:55:57.000 You guys are teaching people.
00:55:59.000 I always felt like lacrosse, because my high school had lacrosse too, and I always felt like it was way crazier. 0.99
00:56:04.000 Because I didn't know about it, and then I'm at this school and they have it, and I'm like, this shit is nuts. 0.99
00:56:09.000 It's nuts, and there's no career in it. 1.00
00:56:11.000 Yeah, and they're just, oh yeah, of course, yeah.
00:56:13.000 At least if you're a football player, you can become some Herschel Walker type character and become a huge baller.
00:56:18.000 Yeah, that's true.
00:56:19.000 But you got no shot if you're a lacrosse player.
00:56:21.000 I love when they interview all the guys in the NFL. They're like, the young guys, they're like, You know, all this evidence is that your lifespan is going to be way shorter and it's going to be probably horrific at some point because of the impact of what you're going through playing football.
00:56:38.000 You know, what do you think about that? 0.99
00:56:39.000 They're like, shit's worth it, man. 0.99
00:56:40.000 This is an awesome lifestyle. 0.99
00:56:42.000 Nobody is like, yeah.
00:56:44.000 I mean, you're getting some guys that you see retire early, which was unheard of 10 years ago.
00:56:50.000 Guys, one guy came out, played his rookie year and retired.
00:56:54.000 You know, you're getting guys early retirement.
00:56:56.000 Some guys play, finish out a contract, they're up for a big contract, and they're out.
00:57:00.000 Yeah, that's happening.
00:57:01.000 But there's still, you know, there's no shortage of guys who are like, I'll take the guarantee, whatever my signing bonus is, and take some brain damage.
00:57:09.000 I mean, look, that's how our brains work.
00:57:11.000 Our brains are designed to not have that kind of foresight until you get much older.
00:57:16.000 Of course.
00:57:16.000 You're like, satisfy me now.
00:57:18.000 And I don't know what that is, but you can tell people, hey, whatever it is you're doing right now, this is really going to cause you irreparable harm.
00:57:25.000 When?
00:57:26.000 Like today?
00:57:26.000 No.
00:57:27.000 Well, fuck it. 1.00
00:57:28.000 Well, that's the same way we deal with climate change. 1.00
00:57:31.000 It's literally the same thing.
00:57:32.000 People are driving around with cars blowing smoke out, like, eh, one day, let me fix it.
00:57:37.000 It's going to be a real problem.
00:57:38.000 You tell someone it's going to be a real problem here on Earth in like 300 years, and they're like, that sucks. 0.95
00:57:43.000 Whatever.
00:57:45.000 I won't be here, bro.
00:57:46.000 Or even 40 years, sadly.
00:57:48.000 People will be like, all right.
00:57:50.000 There's also the issue with people that get a lot of head trauma.
00:57:53.000 They get very impulsive.
00:57:54.000 And they don't make good decisions anyway.
00:57:58.000 So even if they could have the foresight, they probably wouldn't make good decisions.
00:58:03.000 They're not thinking rationally.
00:58:05.000 And they did some study.
00:58:07.000 What was that study, Jamie?
00:58:08.000 We've referenced this before, where they...
00:58:10.000 They looked at kids that play football literally from Pop Warner all the way through college, and how many of them have CTE? Really?
00:58:21.000 Oh, Jesus Christ.
00:58:22.000 It's stunning.
00:58:24.000 See, I always felt like, my point of view on it was always like, I played football fourth grade through high school, right?
00:58:31.000 And I always was like, man... 1.00
00:58:32.000 That's why you're so fucked up, bro. 1.00
00:58:33.000 I know, I know. 1.00
00:58:34.000 That's why I'm fucked up. 0.97
00:58:34.000 But I just feel like, you know, you have definitely some big, in an amateur career, you have some, you can think back, like, man, I got my bell rung there. 0.97
00:58:43.000 How many times did you get your bell rung?
00:58:45.000 I don't know.
00:58:46.000 I mean, here's the thing.
00:58:48.000 In fourth grade and fifth grade, you're like, that doesn't happen, really.
00:58:51.000 I mean, kids are walking up and wrapping up slowly.
00:58:55.000 You're playing with kids who will eventually not play football even in sixth grade.
00:58:59.000 So it starts to be...
00:59:01.000 You might have a stud on a team in middle school and still a bunch of guys that won't play in high school.
00:59:08.000 And then in high school, yeah, there's definitely some...
00:59:12.000 Athletes that stand out, for sure.
00:59:14.000 I mean, those are the kids that will eventually go on.
00:59:16.000 But you play teams and there's weeks where you're just like, no one is really good on this team, you know?
00:59:24.000 And you'll have a game where you'll feel like, yeah, I mean, there's a couple, I got a couple good hits and there was nothing really of impact.
00:59:32.000 And then something will stand out.
00:59:33.000 Like, you'll play a school that has, like, An All-State or All-American player. 0.99
00:59:37.000 You're like, holy shit. 1.00
00:59:38.000 That guy fucking fucked me up bad. 1.00
00:59:41.000 And you remember it. 1.00
00:59:43.000 I mean, I remember it to this day.
00:59:45.000 Some of those, like, really standout guys.
00:59:48.000 And you're like, that hit stuck with me.
00:59:50.000 But that's once a year that you play that guy, right?
00:59:53.000 Or that you remember a school that good.
00:59:57.000 And then if you don't go on to play in college...
01:00:00.000 Really feels like kind of a, I don't know, a risk assessment where you're like, I didn't feel like that was, you know, do I have damage?
01:00:08.000 I don't know.
01:00:08.000 But I mean, once you get into college football is where I feel like that's where you're really playing with really good athletes.
01:00:18.000 A friend of mine, a guy in his neighborhood, a kid who was 21, committed suicide.
01:00:22.000 And he was a college player who was about to go into the pros.
01:00:28.000 He was 21 years old.
01:00:29.000 Really?
01:00:30.000 Yeah.
01:00:30.000 And the significant CTE. Like, just really ravaged.
01:00:36.000 Every year, a player played tackle football under the age-predicted...
01:00:40.000 The early onset of cognitive problems by 2.4 years and behavioral and mood problems by 2.5 years.
01:00:47.000 Yeah, but there's a study.
01:00:48.000 Wow.
01:00:48.000 Okay, the average study found that 211 players who were diagnosed with CTE after death who played tackle football before age 12 suffered from cognitive, behavioral, and mood symptoms earlier than those players who didn't start to play until after age 12. Wow.
01:01:03.000 They're saying that...
01:01:04.000 Okay, study included 246 former players, 211 of whom were diagnosed with CTE after death.
01:01:12.000 That's insane.
01:01:13.000 Well, in college, there's definitely no such thing as getting around real high-impact hits.
01:01:19.000 That's it.
01:01:20.000 Those are all people that know how to play.
01:01:22.000 They're all athletes.
01:01:23.000 You're going to get rocked.
01:01:24.000 What they're realizing now is that sub-concussive trauma is what's responsible for the majority of brain damage.
01:01:32.000 What's sub-concussive?
01:01:33.000 You're not getting a concussion.
01:01:34.000 Oh.
01:01:35.000 Yeah, you're just getting rattled.
01:01:36.000 Yeah. 0.84
01:01:37.000 So getting rattled where it's not even fucking you up, but over time. 0.83
01:01:40.000 Over time, that over and over.
01:01:41.000 You have multiple hits that are just not, they're not knocking you out, they're just jostling you.
01:01:46.000 Those happen a lot.
01:01:47.000 Yeah, you even get it from getting hit to the body.
01:01:49.000 Right.
01:01:50.000 You get hit to the body and your head snaps back and you don't even get hit in the head. 0.72
01:01:54.000 And you're like throwing up and your head's all fucked up and you're trying to figure out what's going on. 0.97
01:01:58.000 It's because your brain's been moshing around inside your head. 1.00
01:02:01.000 Yeah, the thing that I remember too, the thing that stands out is when you, because such thing is like bracing for a hit and then feeling it and you're like, fuck. 0.99
01:02:08.000 But when you don't see someone coming. 0.99
01:02:10.000 Oh yeah, man.
01:02:12.000 It's like a fight where you don't see a punch coming.
01:02:14.000 Oh yeah, 100%.
01:02:16.000 Yeah.
01:02:17.000 Yeah, it's dangerous.
01:02:19.000 You guys are saving my child's life right now.
01:02:21.000 I'm telling you, right now.
01:02:22.000 He's good, dude.
01:02:22.000 It's funny, because I don't know that much about lacrosse.
01:02:25.000 I had to actually YouTube lacrosse to be like, how do you play this?
01:02:28.000 Jamie, pull up the video. 0.88
01:02:30.000 Because there's some videos of some fucking hits that we were watching the other day, and Brendan played lacrosse in college. 0.97
01:02:35.000 He played lacrosse in college? 0.99
01:02:36.000 And football.
01:02:37.000 Jesus Christ.
01:02:38.000 And then he fought in the UFC. Yeah.
01:02:39.000 So his brain looks like a walnut. 0.99
01:02:41.000 It's got to be, man. 1.00
01:02:41.000 It's got to be all fucked up. 1.00
01:02:42.000 And you talk to him, you kind of know. 1.00
01:02:45.000 Yeah, it's a crazy fucking sport. 0.99
01:02:49.000 Look at this. 1.00
01:02:50.000 Boom! 0.99
01:02:51.000 Watch these guys.
01:02:52.000 Just over and over again, these guys getting KO'd.
01:02:55.000 Boom! 0.99
01:02:57.000 Boom! 0.99
01:02:58.000 See that?
01:02:58.000 I mean, they're smashing each other.
01:03:00.000 The impact is horrific.
01:03:02.000 Look at that.
01:03:03.000 Boom! 0.99
01:03:04.000 These are strikes. 0.98
01:03:06.000 This is like me kicking somebody in the head. 0.98
01:03:09.000 This is not much different than a kick in the head. 0.99
01:03:12.000 You're just hitting them with an elbow. 0.86
01:03:14.000 But the amount of force...
01:03:15.000 So these guys are getting kicked in the head with these helmets on. 0.99
01:03:18.000 And if you think the helmet's protecting your head, that shit ain't protecting anything. 1.00
01:03:23.000 Boom! 0.99
01:03:23.000 Look at that. 0.99
01:03:24.000 Boom! 0.99
01:03:25.000 Alright, look, I don't know anything about this stuff, but I've thought for a long time, hard helmets gotta just make it worse, right? 0.97
01:03:32.000 Well, it makes you more confident that you could slam your head into somebody, and then you don't realize how bad you're getting fucked up from that.
01:03:40.000 It's your head, when you get hit in the head, even though you have a helmet on, it's not going to crack your skull, your brain's still substantially... 0.97
01:03:48.000 It's hitting the sides of your skull.
01:03:50.000 You get serious punishment, smashing around in there, all the connective tissue.
01:03:57.000 It's awful.
01:03:59.000 It's awful.
01:04:00.000 Boom! 0.99
01:04:01.000 And this is coming from a guy who's probably seen... 0.98
01:04:03.000 I've probably seen more people get fucked up than 99.9% of the people that have ever lived. 0.97
01:04:10.000 Right. 0.99
01:04:11.000 In terms of being there live when someone got the fuck beaten out of them, I've probably seen more people get the fuck beaten out of them than almost anyone that's ever lived in history. 0.98
01:04:21.000 Yeah. 0.98
01:04:21.000 There's probably a small handful of people that have seen more. 0.98
01:04:24.000 Sure.
01:04:25.000 How many fights have you called?
01:04:27.000 Hundreds.
01:04:27.000 Thousands.
01:04:28.000 Thousands.
01:04:29.000 At least more than a thousand, probably two thousand.
01:04:32.000 But then I've seen more.
01:04:34.000 I mean, I've seen a bunch live. 0.99
01:04:35.000 And when I was competing, I saw a bunch of people get fucked up. 0.98
01:04:38.000 I mean, it's just... 0.98
01:04:40.000 I've seen it a lot.
01:04:42.000 When you can avoid that, avoid it.
01:04:44.000 Especially something like lacrosse.
01:04:46.000 You can't make a career out of it.
01:04:49.000 Get out of there.
01:04:50.000 Because it actually just started.
01:04:52.000 Because right now I'm used to kids' soccer where they're just running around chasing the ball.
01:04:56.000 It's cute.
01:04:56.000 It's fun.
01:04:57.000 Soccer's great.
01:04:58.000 It's actually really fun to watch.
01:04:59.000 And yeah, my son just got into lacrosse, and we play catch with the lacrosse stick, and it's great.
01:05:03.000 We have a good time playing catch with it, but no, I haven't seen him get...
01:05:06.000 What about tennis, man?
01:05:07.000 Even soccer.
01:05:08.000 Even soccer, which you think, you know, who's getting hurt in soccer?
01:05:11.000 Soccer from heading the ball.
01:05:13.000 Just heading the ball.
01:05:14.000 The ball flying out, you hit it with your head.
01:05:16.000 Soccer players are suffering from CTE to the point where they're starting to minimize the amount of heading they do in practices.
01:05:25.000 Really?
01:05:25.000 Yes.
01:05:26.000 This is what we're finding out about brains.
01:05:29.000 There's a good friend of mine, Dr. Mark Gordon, who specializes in CTE. He deals with a lot of soldiers coming back, and a lot of them that are, like my friend Andrew Marr, where they would blow open doors.
01:05:41.000 So they'd set up a charge on a door and step back, and boom, the door would blow.
01:05:46.000 These guys, I mean, he didn't even get hit with anything, or maybe IEDs that are nearby.
01:05:51.000 Those guys suffer significant brain damage.
01:05:55.000 It's just from the impact of just getting shook by an explosion.
01:05:59.000 Not even anything actually hitting them in the head.
01:06:02.000 Which high school sport has the most concussions?
01:06:05.000 Is it soccer?
01:06:06.000 Girls soccer.
01:06:07.000 Girls soccer.
01:06:08.000 Isn't it cheerleading?
01:06:09.000 Had rates exceeded boys football by 2015. Wow.
01:06:13.000 I know.
01:06:14.000 When you stop and you look at those, like when they're going to commercial on a college game, and they throw that girl up in the air, and you're like, man, to get that right. 0.99
01:06:22.000 I saw a documentary about it.
01:06:24.000 It's one of the most dangerous sports in the world is high school cheerleading. 1.00
01:06:28.000 These girls fall on a gym floor and just smack their heads on the floor. 1.00
01:06:33.000 It's crazy.
01:06:34.000 There's a breakdancing Instagram page called Stance Elements.
01:06:39.000 Jamie, pull up Stance Elements.
01:06:41.000 There's a guy who looks like he's about 300 pounds and he breakdances.
01:06:44.000 He leaps forward and lands on the top of his head and keeps his feet up in the air. 0.99
01:06:48.000 I don't know how the fuck this guy did this. 0.99
01:06:50.000 This guy's bigger than Burt. 1.00
01:06:52.000 Really?
01:06:52.000 Yeah.
01:06:53.000 Maybe not as big as Bert.
01:06:54.000 Yeah, come on. 0.77
01:06:55.000 He's pretty big.
01:06:55.000 And he leaps forward and he lands on his head.
01:07:00.000 No hands.
01:07:01.000 Lands on his head with his feet up in the air and holds the position for like a solid second.
01:07:05.000 It's preposterous.
01:07:06.000 And when you can do that trick, you do it a lot.
01:07:08.000 Watch this.
01:07:08.000 Look at this guy.
01:07:09.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:07:10.000 Yeah.
01:07:11.000 Look at the size of him.
01:07:12.000 Watch this.
01:07:13.000 Give me some volume.
01:07:19.000 That guy will need a disc replacement within the next month. 1.00
01:07:26.000 That is so much weight on your fucking head. 1.00
01:07:30.000 He's probably so dizzy and he's playing it off. 1.00
01:07:32.000 That ain't shit, bro. 0.99
01:07:33.000 Look at that. 0.98
01:07:35.000 I gotta tell you, you guys are making me feel so good about my mostly sedentary lifestyle that I've led my whole life.
01:07:41.000 I have not been hitting my head at all.
01:07:43.000 It's safer.
01:07:44.000 You're definitely safe.
01:07:45.000 Don't hit your head.
01:07:46.000 This is coming from somebody who watches people get their head hit for a living.
01:07:50.000 I'm feeling really good now.
01:07:52.000 Usually I feel more ashamed for the way that I've been conducting myself.
01:07:57.000 It's just when you can avoid it.
01:07:58.000 I mean, look, it's not a bad way to make a living if you want to be a fighter and you really want to do it and that's your drive.
01:08:05.000 You should do it, but you should really learn how to defend yourself correctly and learn...
01:08:16.000 Yeah.
01:08:28.000 Rules and a lot of the organizations, they're all operating on these old ideas of brain damage.
01:08:34.000 That's why I'm freaking out when I'm going to this school football game.
01:08:38.000 And I'm watching this, I'm like, this is just brain damage.
01:08:41.000 I'm watching brain damage.
01:08:42.000 And I'm watching it that's promoted by a school.
01:08:45.000 And school pride, yay, everybody go.
01:08:47.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah, we're playing another team, let's hope we beat them.
01:08:50.000 How are you going to beat them? 1.00
01:08:51.000 You're going to fucking slam into them and give them concussions. 1.00
01:08:54.000 And they're going to go to school and they can't count. 1.00
01:08:56.000 Do you get blowback for talking about that stuff from fans and that kind of thing?
01:09:00.000 No.
01:09:00.000 Because it's true.
01:09:02.000 I'm sure there must be some blowback.
01:09:03.000 I don't read it anyway.
01:09:04.000 But it's got to be true. 0.89
01:09:07.000 I mean, there's just too much evidence.
01:09:09.000 I just think...
01:09:11.000 Choose wisely.
01:09:13.000 Don't not take risks.
01:09:15.000 I mean, if you really want to be a BMX rider or a professional skateboarder, you're going to take some knocks.
01:09:20.000 It's just part of the program.
01:09:22.000 Just don't do it if you don't have to.
01:09:25.000 Because it piles up and there's no coming back.
01:09:30.000 When you go and you have significant brain damage, you can get therapy that can help you, but there's a road you're going down.
01:09:41.000 It's your brain.
01:09:43.000 I know.
01:09:45.000 HBO's actually tapped into it a lot with that Real Sports show for years now.
01:09:50.000 They've been doing follow-up pieces on...
01:09:52.000 CTE, and man, it is devastating to see some of those guys.
01:09:57.000 Those guys are like in their 50s, you know, 60s, and they're not there at all.
01:10:04.000 Dude, I put a video up on Instagram or on Twitter.
01:10:07.000 I retweeted it, and it's Boxers, where it shows the boxers when they're young, and they're talking, and then it shows them at the end of their career.
01:10:14.000 They're retiring, and then they interview them, and you see them just completely gone, like a shell.
01:10:20.000 Yeah, I saw an interview with Riddick Bowe a while ago.
01:10:24.000 Really bad.
01:10:25.000 Oh, it's awful.
01:10:26.000 And I remember even, this one was actually kind of funny, was James Toney.
01:10:31.000 Wow.
01:10:36.000 It was towards the end of his fighting, and he was definitely at least 40 pounds overweight.
01:10:43.000 Like really out of shape, but still throwing bombs.
01:10:47.000 And he was sparring, and it was like that piece that they air right before the fighters go to the ring on fight night.
01:10:55.000 And he's definitely taking some shots and giving some shots.
01:10:59.000 But he was sparring and they were throwing in fresh bodies for him to spar against.
01:11:04.000 So it was like, you know, two minutes with this guy and then boom, fresh body.
01:11:08.000 And as he's like, he is like really hyperventilating, sweating, spitting. 0.99
01:11:14.000 He's still talking shit like at... 0.98
01:11:17.000 As he's fighting, he's like... 0.99
01:11:19.000 And then they bring in the next guy. 1.00
01:11:26.000 He's like, you piece of shit. 1.00
01:11:28.000 He's a mess. 1.00
01:11:30.000 He looks like a total mess. 1.00
01:11:32.000 But he's just talking shit, calling guys faggots and shit. 1.00
01:11:35.000 As he's... 1.00
01:11:37.000 Barely making it through these these sparring sessions and you know, I mean he would he need these guys he had to fight, you know Yeah, he had to fight well, especially towards the end of his career.
01:11:46.000 He took a fight in the UFC. He did yeah Yeah, he's the only like real world champion boxer that ever fought in mixed martial arts in the UFC Randy Couture ankle-picked him took him down strangled him right away.
01:12:01.000 Yeah, it was easy.
01:12:03.000 Yeah, I mean this just I don't even think he really bothered learning.
01:12:09.000 I think he just took a paycheck.
01:12:11.000 I think he just put the gloves on and got in there and just had no idea what to do when Randy got a hold of him.
01:12:17.000 He was clearly untrained when he came to the ground.
01:12:19.000 Look at this.
01:12:20.000 Low ankle, low single.
01:12:22.000 I mean, this is the beginning of the fight.
01:12:24.000 Randy just immediately mounts him, punches him in the head a bunch of times, and then strangles him.
01:12:30.000 Randy was just honestly being nice.
01:12:33.000 Really?
01:12:33.000 Yeah, he could have punished him a lot longer if he wanted to.
01:12:36.000 He just wanted to finish him up.
01:12:38.000 It was sad.
01:12:39.000 Because it was just, you know, he was talking about how these guys just don't know how to handle his hands and every fight starts standing up, which is true, but Randy Couture will take you down all day, anytime he wants.
01:12:53.000 And then he got him in an arm triangle and just smushed him.
01:12:57.000 I mean, even when he's punching him, he's not even hitting him that hard here.
01:13:00.000 He's just trying to force him to give something up.
01:13:03.000 That's what he wants.
01:13:04.000 He wants his head tied down against the side of his arm.
01:13:08.000 Then he's going to squish him.
01:13:09.000 That's it.
01:13:10.000 It's a wrap.
01:13:11.000 Didn't take a punch.
01:13:12.000 That was pretty quick.
01:13:13.000 That was pretty fast.
01:13:14.000 And James Toney's one of the best that ever did it.
01:13:17.000 He's a phenomenal boxer. 1.00
01:13:19.000 And talked a lot of shit. 1.00
01:13:21.000 He was a great shit talker. 1.00
01:13:23.000 A lot of shit. 1.00
01:13:24.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:13:25.000 So, I don't want to discourage you, but show your son some of these videos.
01:13:32.000 Like I said, we're out in the backyard playing catch.
01:13:34.000 It's just like a slice of America out there.
01:13:37.000 I'm not even thinking about this.
01:13:38.000 Well, people operate not totally aware of consequences, and they make choices that will affect them for the rest of their lives.
01:13:44.000 Yeah, and I mean, I love my kids.
01:13:46.000 I mean, you guys are kind of, like, I'm having that feeling right now, because I love my kids so much, and I just think, oh, wow, okay.
01:13:53.000 Is it like basketball?
01:13:54.000 He does, yeah.
01:13:55.000 Basketball's a great sport.
01:13:56.000 Yeah.
01:13:57.000 There's no contact.
01:13:58.000 And guaranteed contracts, man, if he makes it to the league, bro.
01:14:01.000 Yeah.
01:14:01.000 It's the best.
01:14:02.000 How tall is he?
01:14:03.000 Not tall.
01:14:03.000 No, that's not tall.
01:14:04.000 Yeah.
01:14:05.000 Okay.
01:14:05.000 What about baseball?
01:14:06.000 That's another one.
01:14:07.000 Baseball's great.
01:14:08.000 That's the best.
01:14:09.000 Baseball's a bomb diggity.
01:14:10.000 As long as you don't hit a bit of a pitch, you get hit with a pitch. 0.99
01:14:13.000 Yeah, that sucks.
01:14:14.000 But other than that, that's the lifestyle, man. 0.97
01:14:16.000 Yeah.
01:14:18.000 That's the best.
01:14:19.000 You know, I don't know if I'm allowed to do this here, but while we're here, I really wanted to talk about how Tom got into this movie.
01:14:24.000 Can we talk about that?
01:14:25.000 Yeah.
01:14:26.000 What do you mean, allowed?
01:14:27.000 I mean, allowed to just totally jump tracks like that and just throw in.
01:14:32.000 Of course.
01:14:32.000 We're talking about brain damage.
01:14:33.000 I don't want to get in trouble.
01:14:34.000 I don't want to get in podcast trouble.
01:14:36.000 There's no rules.
01:14:37.000 Podcasts have no rules.
01:14:38.000 Yeah, how did he get in this?
01:14:39.000 Yeah, how did I get in this?
01:14:41.000 So I saw his stand-up and I thought it was really funny.
01:14:46.000 And we had already written a draft of the script and I was like, oh man, this guy would be a great Russ.
01:14:50.000 And I didn't really think too much about it because we were making another movie at the time.
01:14:53.000 And then when it came back around, we were talking about different people that you're going to cast and you get these boards up and stuff.
01:15:00.000 So your picture was actually on a board for a while.
01:15:02.000 Wow.
01:15:03.000 I don't think you even knew that.
01:15:04.000 I didn't know that.
01:15:04.000 Your picture was on a board.
01:15:05.000 I did not know that.
01:15:07.000 So tell it from your angle when you got the call, though.
01:15:12.000 I'll tell you this.
01:15:12.000 I don't even know if you know this, that I passed on the audition.
01:15:16.000 I do.
01:15:17.000 Yeah, you told me this one.
01:15:18.000 It's a good story.
01:15:25.000 Yeah.
01:15:31.000 Yeah.
01:15:40.000 The movie is called Instant Family.
01:15:43.000 Sean Andrews, John Morse wrote it.
01:15:45.000 It's, you know, the part is Russ, and it has like all the, you know, Mark Wahlberg's agreed to play this, and Rose Byrne is attached to play this, and then here's the sides.
01:15:55.000 And it was like one of those things where it'll say, you know, so Thursday at 11.15 a.m.
01:16:02.000 you are confirmed for the audition.
01:16:03.000 And I get that email like on a Monday.
01:16:05.000 And I was like, I just got back from the road.
01:16:08.000 I was like, I got a podcast today.
01:16:09.000 I was like, whatever.
01:16:10.000 And then I just don't even read any of it.
01:16:12.000 So then it's like, you know, Tuesday and then something happens and we're busy at the house.
01:16:16.000 And then they go, here we're just following up.
01:16:19.000 That you're good for the audition tomorrow.
01:16:23.000 I get that like on Wednesday, you know, just confirming that you'll be there.
01:16:26.000 And I were like, nah, like, that's a pass.
01:16:29.000 Like, I'm not going to be there.
01:16:31.000 And that was it.
01:16:31.000 I just sent that off.
01:16:32.000 Like, I'm just not doing that this week.
01:16:34.000 And then I get a call right away.
01:16:36.000 And it's my agent.
01:16:37.000 He's like, hey, I noticed that you're...
01:16:39.000 I'm trying to make money off you.
01:16:41.000 I noticed that you're not going to...
01:16:43.000 You said no?
01:16:44.000 Is there a reason?
01:16:45.000 Did the...
01:16:46.000 What did they say?
01:16:47.000 There's always that phrase.
01:16:49.000 You didn't respond to the sides?
01:16:50.000 Yeah, did you not respond to the material?
01:16:51.000 Did you not respond to the material?
01:16:53.000 And I go, oh, I haven't even read it.
01:16:56.000 And they go, well, why aren't you reading it?
01:16:59.000 I was like, because...
01:17:00.000 And I just kind of lay out my week.
01:17:02.000 I'm like, I've had this.
01:17:03.000 I've had this with my kid.
01:17:04.000 I traveled.
01:17:05.000 I'm doing this.
01:17:05.000 I just got a lot going on.
01:17:07.000 And he's like, okay.
01:17:09.000 I go, so it's not personal.
01:17:10.000 I think he's taking it personal.
01:17:13.000 I go, I'm not saying no to upset you.
01:17:16.000 I just have these things.
01:17:17.000 And he's like, okay, well, the director specifically requested...
01:17:23.000 That you audition and like, as you know, that doesn't happen a lot with you.
01:17:27.000 So like, do you want to reconsider?
01:17:30.000 And I was like, yeah, hold on a second.
01:17:32.000 I go, he asked me, he's asking for me to like, yeah.
01:17:35.000 And I go, no, wait, did you believe him or did you think he was manipulating you?
01:17:38.000 I did.
01:17:39.000 I did believe him because I mean, he's never said that.
01:17:42.000 And, you know, a lot of times I've done things with like the producers are in the room on this session or that stuff.
01:17:47.000 And I go, okay, well, here's the deal, man.
01:17:49.000 I'm not going to go in unprepared.
01:17:51.000 Because now the audition's in 24 hours.
01:17:55.000 So I go, I'll do it, but you have to buy me a couple more days.
01:17:59.000 Because I have this the rest of today.
01:18:02.000 I'm not going to do it tomorrow morning.
01:18:04.000 And he was like, okay, I'll see what I can do.
01:18:06.000 And then he called me back.
01:18:07.000 He's like, they said they're good for Monday or whatever.
01:18:10.000 And I was like, great.
01:18:12.000 And then I tried to prepare for that...
01:18:16.000 Because they told me, the director, I was like, I can't go into this thing half-assed.
01:18:21.000 So then I'm like, really trying to prepare for that.
01:18:24.000 And then I go in there and it was, you're on Skype.
01:18:27.000 Well, okay, so here's what happened from my end.
01:18:29.000 Because you didn't show up...
01:18:31.000 Show up.
01:18:33.000 I had to go back to Atlanta.
01:18:35.000 And so then we had to do the audition via Skype.
01:18:39.000 Oh, I didn't know that either.
01:18:40.000 That's brutal for everybody else.
01:18:42.000 Because you didn't show up.
01:18:43.000 Well, who organized it?
01:18:45.000 What kind of nonsense agency are you with that they booked you something and don't tell you that they booked you?
01:18:50.000 Well, they always do that.
01:18:51.000 They just book it?
01:18:52.000 No, they'll set up on a time, right?
01:18:55.000 It's very common where they'll go...
01:18:58.000 11 a.m.
01:18:59.000 Thursday.
01:18:59.000 This is your agency?
01:19:00.000 Yes.
01:19:00.000 Now, they must have nothing to do with your podcast then.
01:19:03.000 Nothing.
01:19:03.000 That's the problem, right?
01:19:04.000 Yeah.
01:19:05.000 So they don't know what you're booking.
01:19:06.000 So they'll just think that that takes precedent.
01:19:08.000 They also will be like, hey, you have an audition Friday.
01:19:11.000 And I'm like, when I'm in Philadelphia?
01:19:13.000 And they're like, you're in Philadelphia?
01:19:15.000 Oh, so this is a different agency for your stand-up as well?
01:19:17.000 Yes.
01:19:18.000 Oh, Christ.
01:19:19.000 Is there any way you can move that? 0.99
01:19:20.000 They really fucking say that? 0.98
01:19:22.000 Oh, yeah. 1.00
01:19:22.000 Holy shit. 1.00
01:19:23.000 I had an agent tell me... 0.99
01:19:24.000 Oh, yeah, let me call these 5,000 people that are waiting for me.
01:19:27.000 I had an agent go like, why don't you just...
01:19:30.000 Oh, it was about booking something.
01:19:32.000 And I was like, when does it shoot, though?
01:19:34.000 Like, if I book this, when does it shoot?
01:19:36.000 And it was like this, you know, October 3rd or whatever.
01:19:39.000 I'm like, oh, but I'm in Sacramento.
01:19:42.000 He's like, just move that.
01:19:44.000 And I was like, yeah, but it's two theater shows.
01:19:47.000 It's like 5,000 people.
01:19:49.000 And he was like, oh, really?
01:19:51.000 I'm like, yeah.
01:19:52.000 Like, you think I was just going to just move it aside?
01:19:55.000 And he's like, I'm like, why don't you know that?
01:19:56.000 My calendar's public.
01:19:58.000 Just look it up, man.
01:20:00.000 But, yeah, they'll give you answers like that.
01:20:03.000 You should quit acting.
01:20:04.000 You should make this movie.
01:20:05.000 I'm sure this movie's going to be awesome.
01:20:07.000 Make it your swan song, bro.
01:20:09.000 A lot of people are saying it's the breakout performance of the year.
01:20:12.000 I don't know if you've heard that yet.
01:20:12.000 Those four minutes crackle.
01:20:14.000 They resonate.
01:20:15.000 They do.
01:20:15.000 That's what I've heard.
01:20:16.000 They do.
01:20:16.000 Well, so I'm in Atlanta.
01:20:19.000 Thank you.
01:20:21.000 And he auditions via Skype.
01:20:24.000 And when I saw his stand-up, I was like, this guy's perfect because we want this guy to just have this kind of swagger and this confidence, but he can kind of say these jackass-y things, but just sort of own them.
01:20:34.000 And I'm like, this guy's perfect for this.
01:20:37.000 I keep saying this guy because I didn't know him at the time.
01:20:39.000 And so Tom comes in and I watch the Skype audition. 0.97
01:20:43.000 Now, I'm going to shit-talk you a little bit here. 0.98
01:20:44.000 And he was not good. 0.99
01:20:47.000 He was so not, like, who he is.
01:20:51.000 Like, he came in and he kind of was, like, sort of putting his back into it a little bit.
01:20:54.000 Like, he was kind of, like, really just trying to be kind of, like, really sort of extra funny.
01:20:58.000 And it was just not at all what I had in mind.
01:21:01.000 But I just was like...
01:21:02.000 So I'm watching at Skype and I'm just...
01:21:04.000 So I'm trying to give, you know, some direction.
01:21:06.000 How do you feel about this?
01:21:07.000 I had no idea what, here's the thing, every audition, this is actually fascinating if you audition, because you literally leave auditions and you go, sometimes you go, that was great, and you'll never hear anything again.
01:21:23.000 Sometimes you go, I bombed, and you get a call, hey, guess what, they want to see you again, or you booked, you're like, what?
01:21:29.000 You don't know what they want.
01:21:30.000 You have no idea.
01:21:31.000 You have no idea.
01:21:31.000 You don't really know what they want when you're going in.
01:21:34.000 I did not know that it sucked that bad.
01:21:36.000 I didn't know that. 0.98
01:21:38.000 No, it wasn't that it sucked that bad. 0.92
01:21:41.000 It might have been. 0.93
01:21:42.000 No, no, it wasn't.
01:21:43.000 No, it was just that you have this very specific thing that you do that I wanted to bring in and be a part of this character, and you left that out.
01:21:53.000 See, but I don't think...
01:21:55.000 What's that thing?
01:21:55.000 It's like he's got this in his delivery, this kind of devil-may-care kind of like...
01:22:01.000 Like a deadpan sort of...
01:22:03.000 Yeah, but it's like a big part of your persona is this whole like, all right, Whatever.
01:22:07.000 I just said that.
01:22:09.000 Okay.
01:22:09.000 And I wanted Russ to have that thing.
01:22:11.000 And when you came into audition, you left that thing out.
01:22:13.000 Do you think I did that in the movie?
01:22:15.000 Not at all.
01:22:16.000 No, you were great in the movie.
01:22:17.000 No, I'm saying I feel like I did the movie exactly how I auditioned.
01:22:21.000 No, you didn't at all.
01:22:22.000 Really?
01:22:23.000 No, it was like night and day.
01:22:25.000 Really?
01:22:25.000 It was like night and day.
01:22:28.000 In my mind, if someone were to ask me, I'd be like, 100% they're the same.
01:22:32.000 The second audition, you did just like the movie.
01:22:35.000 Really?
01:22:35.000 Yeah.
01:22:36.000 Because basically, so then what happened is we got together and I thought, and I was like, God, I don't want to- Did you meet him for the second audition?
01:22:42.000 Well, we got together because I called him because I really wanted him to be in the movie.
01:22:46.000 And I called him and I said, would you be willing to just come over to my house and we can just talk through it and work through it a little bit? 0.99
01:22:52.000 That's some Harvey Weinstein shit. 0.99
01:22:53.000 Yes. 1.00
01:22:54.000 I made jokes about that.
01:22:55.000 I made jokes about that immediately to him on the phone.
01:22:57.000 I was like, am I going to give you a bath?
01:22:59.000 And he was like, all right.
01:23:04.000 But can I tell you, I got to go back.
01:23:06.000 This is more embarrassing.
01:23:07.000 I remember leaving that audition, that now you're telling me this, the first one, and telling my agent, like, There's no way I could have done better.
01:23:15.000 I did.
01:23:16.000 I did tell him that.
01:23:18.000 I was like, I could not.
01:23:19.000 I can't imagine that this was...
01:23:21.000 Dude, I nailed it.
01:23:22.000 I'm serious.
01:23:22.000 And this is the thing.
01:23:23.000 I understand that because you had energy and you were funny, but you just didn't have that thing that I wanted so badly to be a part of this character.
01:23:32.000 And so there was this one thing that was missing, and then you came over and we talked about it, and then you did it.
01:23:38.000 And then also we got the chance to, because when he read it, he's just reading dialogue that we wrote for anybody.
01:23:44.000 But then once you have somebody's voice in your head a little bit, you can adjust it and make it a little more comfortable.
01:23:49.000 Oh, that's right.
01:23:49.000 So we made some adjustments to the dialogue and everything, which made it more conducive to your just style of speaking.
01:23:56.000 That's true.
01:23:57.000 It's your cadence.
01:23:57.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:23:57.000 That was fun.
01:23:58.000 And yeah, it was.
01:23:59.000 And so then he comes back and he does it again and he crushed it and he was really funny.
01:24:04.000 And we sent that to the studio and they were like, oh my God, this guy's great.
01:24:07.000 And it was like such a great thing.
01:24:09.000 I have no idea, dude.
01:24:09.000 I have no idea.
01:24:10.000 That's funny.
01:24:11.000 That's kind of why I wanted to talk about this on the podcast because I knew you didn't know all that.
01:24:14.000 I definitely didn't know that.
01:24:15.000 I definitely didn't know that.
01:24:17.000 It's actually, like, it's the thing, though, like, that's the big bummer about, in general, auditioning, is you walk out and you go, sometimes you follow up with your agent, and you're like, so what's the feedback?
01:24:29.000 And they're like, they always tell you, they loved you.
01:24:31.000 And you're like...
01:24:32.000 Is there anything else?
01:24:33.000 And you don't know, like, was it good?
01:24:35.000 Was it bad?
01:24:35.000 And you also don't know what they're looking for.
01:24:37.000 And I don't know.
01:24:38.000 I mean, going to your place, going over, like, you know, in detail more is also...
01:24:44.000 Like, I actually felt like I won a contest.
01:24:46.000 Because, you know, you audition.
01:24:49.000 Now I know I tanked.
01:24:50.000 And then the director's like, do you want to come work on it so that, like, possibly you can do it better?
01:24:55.000 And I was like, sure, man.
01:24:57.000 So I'm working with him on this thing.
01:24:59.000 And I don't know.
01:25:01.000 We spent a lot of time working on it, and then when I found out I booked the role, then I go there, and I feel like it's a second part of a contest, because he has all great actors in the movie, for all the parts.
01:25:15.000 I mean, you know the stars, but like, Margot Martindale from The American...
01:25:19.000 Did you watch The Americans?
01:25:20.000 No.
01:25:20.000 Oh, that show is...
01:25:21.000 You've seen her, though.
01:25:22.000 She's amazing.
01:25:23.000 Yeah.
01:25:24.000 I heard that show's awesome.
01:25:25.000 That show is so good.
01:25:26.000 I mean, it just ended, but, like, if you ever want to go on a binge weekend, now you have, like, six seasons, I think, to go through.
01:25:32.000 And I became a big fan of hers on that, and then Julie Haggerty.
01:25:36.000 And you have, like, just all these great actors.
01:25:38.000 So every time...
01:25:39.000 Yeah, Octavia Spencer, we had Tig Notaro, we had, like, really good people.
01:25:43.000 Every time we're, like, shooting a scene with one of them, I end up just watching them.
01:25:50.000 Like, I'm in the scene, and I'm just like...
01:25:52.000 Wow, she's a really good actor.
01:25:55.000 That's weird, isn't it?
01:25:56.000 Yeah, it totally is.
01:25:57.000 I did a scene with Maura Tierney once when I was on news radio.
01:26:00.000 Maura Tierney is definitely one of the best actors I ever worked with.
01:26:03.000 But she was so good that she did the line.
01:26:07.000 You know, we're rehearsing, doing all those things.
01:26:09.000 She did the line in the scene, and I didn't realize that it was the line from the scene.
01:26:13.000 I realized she was just talking.
01:26:14.000 I thought she was just talking.
01:26:16.000 Because of how, like...
01:26:17.000 Because she's so natural.
01:26:18.000 Yeah.
01:26:18.000 I was like, that kind of creeped me out.
01:26:20.000 Yeah.
01:26:20.000 I was like, oh...
01:26:21.000 Oh, that's the line!
01:26:23.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:26:24.000 I was like, that was weird!
01:26:26.000 Like, you were just totally normal!
01:26:28.000 Right.
01:26:28.000 Because otherwise people are like, Tom, where are we going to find a guy that's going to fix that?
01:26:33.000 Right.
01:26:34.000 It's so forced.
01:26:35.000 She had none of that.
01:26:36.000 Because she was really an actor before she was...
01:26:40.000 Some of them don't like to be called actresses, right? 1.00
01:26:43.000 Yeah.
01:26:43.000 So it's safer to say actor.
01:26:45.000 Mm-hmm. 0.99
01:26:46.000 But at comics, who the fuck uses Comedienne? 0.98
01:26:50.000 Remember that? 0.98
01:26:50.000 That went away. 0.98
01:26:51.000 I didn't know that...
01:26:52.000 It doesn't exist anymore.
01:26:53.000 Do you know about the Latinx thing?
01:26:55.000 I didn't know that was a thing.
01:26:57.000 You didn't know about that?
01:26:57.000 What do you mean?
01:26:58.000 I was reading this article and...
01:27:01.000 Yeah, it's Latino and Latina are male and female gender specific.
01:27:06.000 Right.
01:27:07.000 So...
01:27:08.000 And the word Latin...
01:27:10.000 Also gets it done as far as...
01:27:13.000 Yeah, I don't know.
01:27:15.000 Yeah, so it's supposed to be...
01:27:16.000 Like, that's how you...
01:27:17.000 Latinx? 0.67
01:27:18.000 You should say that?
01:27:19.000 You're supposed to say Latinx.
01:27:21.000 Because...
01:27:22.000 Is this new?
01:27:24.000 I'm not doing it.
01:27:25.000 It's a couple years in the making. 1.00
01:27:27.000 They can fuck off. 0.99
01:27:28.000 Well, see, in Spanish, the masculinized version of these words is considered gender neutral, but that obviously doesn't work for some of us, like myself. 0.99
01:27:34.000 And so I think it's appropriate to assign masculinity as gender neutral when it isn't.
01:27:40.000 So I'm Latinx.
01:27:41.000 Well, it's interesting because my kids are Latin, and this is another one of the things that we touch on.
01:27:47.000 Latinx.
01:27:47.000 Yeah, there it is.
01:27:49.000 Oh, sorry, go ahead.
01:27:50.000 No, go ahead, please.
01:27:51.000 Well, we touch on this, not this pronunciation, but we touch on that a little bit in the movie of there is that feeling.
01:27:59.000 When we went in to adopt our kids, we were just open.
01:28:03.000 We were like, look, we're pretty general age-wise.
01:28:07.000 We didn't go in expecting three kids.
01:28:10.000 We thought one, and it sort of turned into that.
01:28:13.000 But you're open to it, and they ask you, well, what about ethnicity?
01:28:18.000 You know, and you just go, yeah, you know, whatever, you know, wherever the need is, you know, whoever needs parents, you know, let us know.
01:28:27.000 But then when it happens and your kids, in my case, my kids turned out to be Latin, then you have the, you know, you start to kind of think about, like, oh, well, you know, is that okay?
01:28:40.000 Is that going to look like the white savior thing? 0.91
01:28:42.000 Is that going to look weird?
01:28:44.000 Am I saying things right?
01:28:46.000 And whatever.
01:28:46.000 And what ends up happening...
01:28:48.000 It's this really wonderful thing where your family becomes this melting pot.
01:28:51.000 Where, you know, at first, because of the times that we live in right now, it's a little scary jumping into that.
01:28:59.000 That's so weird.
01:29:01.000 But you ultimately are just going to think about who the kids are, what their need is, and how obviously wonderful they are.
01:29:11.000 But all of those things come up, and that's the kind of thing that wouldn't even be, you know, why would the Latinx thing have anything to do with my house?
01:29:20.000 Well, now it does.
01:29:21.000 So I've got all that all the time, and I actually find it really interesting.
01:29:27.000 The Latinx thing? 0.98
01:29:28.000 No, no, not that specifically, but just that my family is now this little melting pot.
01:29:34.000 Yeah, that part's cool.
01:29:35.000 And it's cool.
01:29:35.000 I reject Latinx completely.
01:29:37.000 Well, it is cool, but it's also very strange that that is, and it would be, a real point of concern.
01:29:43.000 Like, you would worry about, you know, how do I handle this culture without cultural appropriation?
01:29:49.000 How do I bring my kid and embrace the Latino or Latinx culture?
01:29:56.000 Like, how do I handle that?
01:29:58.000 Yeah.
01:29:58.000 Yeah.
01:29:59.000 And how do I do without getting called a racist?
01:30:01.000 Well, and it gets back to what I was talking about before, where you're trying to just put your kids' needs first and just deal with them as children, as individuals, as human beings, you know?
01:30:11.000 Right.
01:30:12.000 But at the same time, you're also – you're with other parents and there's – in the adoption community – and really in every direction, there's mixed-race families in the adoption community – Sure.
01:30:26.000 Sure.
01:30:30.000 Sure.
01:30:41.000 Latino, like my mother's Latina, and it's just funny to me to...
01:30:44.000 Yeah.
01:30:45.000 And you speak Spanish.
01:30:46.000 Yeah, yeah, yeah.
01:30:46.000 He speaks fluently, which is hilarious because Tom has some great stories about people not thinking he speaks Spanish.
01:30:52.000 Because when you look at him, you're like, oh, look at this fucking American guy. 0.99
01:30:55.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:30:56.000 He looks like a regular American guy.
01:30:57.000 But he speaks perfect fluently.
01:31:00.000 Like, I've been around him before when he asks people questions.
01:31:02.000 He's like, whoa, I forgot you could do that.
01:31:03.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:31:04.000 It's like someone who you know that could do backflips.
01:31:06.000 Right.
01:31:07.000 You know, they just do a backflip.
01:31:08.000 You're like, oh, I forgot you could do that.
01:31:09.000 Yeah, it's true.
01:31:10.000 And it throws people off.
01:31:12.000 Yeah, because you look so American.
01:31:14.000 Yeah.
01:31:15.000 And you look like a guy who loves football.
01:31:19.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:31:20.000 Just a fucking American, a regular American. 1.00
01:31:22.000 But he speaks perfect. 1.00
01:31:24.000 He rolls the R's. 1.00
01:31:25.000 Even when I travel abroad to Spanish-speaking countries, even there, even though Spanish-speaking countries are also melting pots, they still look at you like, oh shit. 0.99
01:31:37.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:31:37.000 Look at this motherfucker. 1.00
01:31:39.000 Yeah, it really throws people... 1.00
01:31:40.000 The craziest one wasn't even with me.
01:31:44.000 My sister, one of my sisters who also speaks Spanish, went to the Naval Academy's Linguistics Center in the Navy.
01:31:52.000 And she was in the Navy for a while, and she learned Mandarin.
01:31:57.000 Whoa! 0.71
01:31:58.000 And it was really intense, you know?
01:31:59.000 It was really intense.
01:32:00.000 And we went to a restaurant together, and the guy...
01:32:05.000 It was one of those restaurants, like a Benihana type, where they chop stuff up. 1.00
01:32:08.000 And the guy was...
01:32:10.000 Someone asked where he's from, and he said somewhere in China.
01:32:14.000 And she starts speaking Mandarin, and he dropped the thing, and he was like...
01:32:18.000 Like he saw a ghost.
01:32:20.000 And she's spitting back to him in pretty fluent Mandarin.
01:32:25.000 Wow.
01:32:26.000 And he stops and he was like, I've never seen this before.
01:32:29.000 And he's like, I've never seen a white person do this.
01:32:31.000 And we were like, yeah, pretty wild.
01:32:34.000 And then he turned to us, he goes, I don't think you understand how hard it is to speak this language.
01:32:38.000 I was like, I have a pretty good idea.
01:32:39.000 I can't do it.
01:32:43.000 He couldn't even start cooking.
01:32:47.000 How long did it take your sister to learn?
01:32:50.000 When you get into that Naval Institute program, they have you going, I think it was something like eight hours a day, five or six days a week.
01:33:02.000 So it's really, it's super intense.
01:33:04.000 It's almost like...
01:33:05.000 Oh, just learning Mandarin?
01:33:05.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:33:06.000 And it overwhelms people.
01:33:08.000 People drop out, almost like in a physical stress way, you know?
01:33:12.000 Right.
01:33:12.000 So people just can't handle it.
01:33:13.000 Like boot camp.
01:33:13.000 Like boot camp.
01:33:14.000 And I forget how long she was in it.
01:33:17.000 And, you know, she didn't reach the level of super, you know, fluent, like we're speaking English, but she was able to communicate in Mandarin.
01:33:26.000 Can she read it?
01:33:28.000 She was reading and writing.
01:33:29.000 That's the thing is, she was telling me one time about...
01:33:31.000 How many characters and, you know, it was just unbelievable.
01:33:35.000 And, like, there's sounds for expressions.
01:33:37.000 Like, I'm going to screw up because I don't remember it, but she was like, you can do something like, oh, and that means, like, means an actual phrase, you know?
01:33:47.000 Oh, wow.
01:33:47.000 Like, there's so many...
01:33:49.000 And that there's characters that mean entire expressions as well.
01:33:55.000 Our brains are so married to our alphabet and way of speaking that it's a real jump to learn that, you know?
01:34:04.000 It's just, it really is fascinating when you travel and you listen to people speaking their native tongue and you realize how strangely different languages are across the entire planet.
01:34:14.000 Yeah.
01:34:15.000 I mean, just unbelievable.
01:34:16.000 Like, I was in Thailand this summer and you listen to people talk Thai and everything, everything stretches.
01:34:22.000 It's got like a stretch to it.
01:34:24.000 You know, it's like a weird, it's a very odd language.
01:34:28.000 I'm like, compare that to like German. 0.98
01:34:31.000 Or Dutch. 0.61
01:34:32.000 Yeah.
01:34:32.000 You know, like the Germans got those hard sounding.
01:34:35.000 Really hard, yeah.
01:34:38.000 It's like this weird difference.
01:34:40.000 Yeah, and the Latin one, the Latin root word, like languages, all do have a flowy, singy, songy.
01:34:47.000 They're kind of nice to listen to.
01:34:48.000 It's a beautiful language.
01:34:49.000 It's really nice to listen to.
01:34:50.000 I mean, I like listening.
01:34:51.000 I don't speak Portuguese.
01:34:52.000 I like listening to it.
01:34:53.000 Yeah, Brazilian Portuguese is amazing.
01:34:55.000 Yeah.
01:34:56.000 It sounds so cool.
01:34:57.000 And we listen to French music sometimes at home, just in the kitchen.
01:35:00.000 Yeah, yeah, like cooking or something.
01:35:02.000 I don't know what the hell they're saying.
01:35:03.000 I like it.
01:35:03.000 I like that when I write.
01:35:04.000 I listen to Spanish music when I write, because I have no idea what they're saying.
01:35:08.000 I do that too, where you listen to music in a foreign language so that it doesn't impede your...
01:35:13.000 It doesn't distract you.
01:35:13.000 Yeah, yeah.
01:35:14.000 It's like, it sounds good.
01:35:15.000 It gives me a little something-something, but I can still think about the exact things that I'm thinking about.
01:35:19.000 Well, I recently had this interesting experience.
01:35:21.000 I sent you one of them that, you know, the trailers for the movie get...
01:35:25.000 Oh, yeah.
01:35:26.000 The movie itself and the trailers get dubbed into all kinds of different languages.
01:35:30.000 So you have this dialogue that I wrote, you know, or me and John wrote or whatever, and you get to hear it in these different languages.
01:35:37.000 And I sent you the Spain-Spanish version.
01:35:40.000 Yeah.
01:35:40.000 Because that's different.
01:35:41.000 And I don't really...
01:35:41.000 I'm not going to pretend that I understand that much what the difference between it is.
01:35:45.000 But that's predominantly what you speak, right?
01:35:47.000 No.
01:35:47.000 Oh, it isn't?
01:35:48.000 No.
01:35:48.000 What I speak predominantly is just like specifically South American and more specifically Peruvian dialect.
01:35:56.000 Oh, okay.
01:35:57.000 All right.
01:35:57.000 Great.
01:35:58.000 But I mean, I did study.
01:35:59.000 I studied in Madrid for six months.
01:36:01.000 And once your ears are trained to it, you can listen to someone say a sentence and know that it's, oh, that's from Spain.
01:36:09.000 Oh, that's really interesting.
01:36:10.000 Then there's the Cuban version of it, which is crazy. 1.00
01:36:13.000 Yeah.
01:36:13.000 It's a wild version of the way they...
01:36:16.000 All the island dialects sound dramatically different, you know?
01:36:20.000 Like, if you listen to somebody from Cuba, Puerto Rico...
01:36:24.000 Is it a comparison, like, English speakers from America versus English speakers from Ireland?
01:36:30.000 It is, yeah.
01:36:32.000 And I would say, you know, I always think of Spain as like our Britain, you know, in a way.
01:36:37.000 Like the language, probably English is from England.
01:36:41.000 That is how you speak it.
01:36:44.000 Spanish and Castilian, you know, that comes from Spain.
01:36:49.000 They're speaking OG Spanish.
01:36:51.000 And then it all kind of came over here and it's influenced.
01:36:54.000 And every country has...
01:36:56.000 Different ways of saying things.
01:36:58.000 Obviously different slang.
01:37:00.000 All different curses.
01:37:02.000 All different expressions.
01:37:03.000 Completely different.
01:37:05.000 Even words as simple as to pick up.
01:37:08.000 Coger.
01:37:09.000 Pick something up.
01:37:10.000 You say that in Mexico or Argentina. 1.00
01:37:15.000 It literally means to fuck. 1.00
01:37:17.000 Really? 1.00
01:37:17.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:37:18.000 So if you're like, quiero coger esta agua. 1.00
01:37:20.000 You're saying, I want to fuck this water. 1.00
01:37:23.000 But... 1.00
01:37:26.000 I'm going to fuck this bottle. 1.00
01:37:27.000 Yeah. 1.00
01:37:29.000 My mom told me that she was in Argentina when her youth traveled there and was with a bellhop, and she was like, cogeme la maleta, which is like, pick up that suitcase. 0.97
01:37:40.000 But he was like, okay, because she was basically in slang saying, fuck my suitcase, you know. 0.96
01:37:46.000 So, it's just... 0.99
01:37:47.000 But, like, there's, like...
01:37:49.000 And there's also, like, severity of words.
01:37:51.000 Like, joder is the word... 0.99
01:37:54.000 Like, there's so many ways to say fuck, of course, in every language. 1.00
01:37:56.000 But joder in Spain is, like, is saying fuck. 1.00
01:38:00.000 It's, like, going like, oh, fuck. 1.00
01:38:02.000 But, like, when you say it in Peru, no me jodes, it's a softer... 1.00
01:38:07.000 It's not taken as severely.
01:38:08.000 So, it's not read the same way.
01:38:11.000 You're not saying...
01:38:13.000 You're saying, like, you're complaining, but you're like, I don't...
01:38:17.000 It's taken as, like, oh, don't mess with me.
01:38:20.000 Wow.
01:38:20.000 You know?
01:38:20.000 So, like, even when I would say, when I would go to Spain, like, they were like, damn, you curse a lot.
01:38:25.000 I was like, really? 0.97
01:38:26.000 And then, you know, we went over that one.
01:38:30.000 And then, like, six months later, they were like, you actually do curse a lot all the time.
01:38:33.000 And I was like, yeah, that's probably right.
01:38:35.000 Do you do stand-up in Spanish when you...
01:38:38.000 I've done bits and stories where I involve both English and Spanish, but I haven't done...
01:38:44.000 There's a show now here in L.A. that they're doing...
01:38:50.000 I think even at the stores had it once where some of the Spanish-speaking comics here have done a full show in Spanish here in L.A. Francisco Ramos, Felipe did it, Esparza.
01:39:06.000 What's the other guy?
01:39:07.000 Torres...
01:39:08.000 Didn't Joey do it?
01:39:09.000 I don't know if Joey did it.
01:39:10.000 Joey used to do Spanglish in Miami.
01:39:14.000 He would do Cuban, Spanish, plus English, and it was impossible to follow.
01:39:21.000 Yeah.
01:39:22.000 It's like, because the audiences were, there's so many Cuban people in the audience, and he would hit punchlines in Spanish.
01:39:27.000 And people would literally just throw chairs through windows.
01:39:30.000 He would just jump through the ceiling.
01:39:32.000 He would crush so hard.
01:39:34.000 It's so great.
01:39:35.000 I middled once in Miami and used every trick to get through the set because it's such a chaotic club.
01:39:43.000 The club was insane.
01:39:44.000 It was totally insane.
01:39:45.000 And I was doing stuff and talking to this lady, I would hit a punchline in Spanish and then say something back to this guy in Spanish, then go back to English. 0.70
01:39:53.000 Do, like, your best bit and then something else in Spanish.
01:39:56.000 And it was so crazy for me at the time.
01:39:59.000 Like, I never experienced a 20-minute set like that, that the guy, the headliner after me, did 35 minutes and split.
01:40:06.000 Like, he was just like, good night.
01:40:08.000 Because it was, he was a white guy, and it was, like, not...
01:40:11.000 No, it wasn't happening.
01:40:12.000 Once they got that flavor.
01:40:14.000 Yeah.
01:40:15.000 Because it was like, it's the most, I mean, that room that didn't hold that many people.
01:40:20.000 No.
01:40:21.000 How many?
01:40:21.000 Like 300 max?
01:40:22.000 I think less.
01:40:23.000 I think probably less.
01:40:24.000 Maybe like 275 or something.
01:40:26.000 And it had like, you know, there were Haitians in there, Colombians, Cubans, Puerto Ricans.
01:40:31.000 I mean, it was such a mix of people.
01:40:33.000 Yeah.
01:40:33.000 And if you start giving them a little bit of flavor, yeah.
01:40:36.000 And they let people in there that were like 18, too.
01:40:39.000 18?
01:40:39.000 Yeah.
01:40:39.000 They let people in with guns.
01:40:40.000 They let all kinds of people in.
01:40:41.000 It was the Miami Improv.
01:40:43.000 It was the worst club to work.
01:40:46.000 They're reopening in a new location.
01:40:49.000 Good luck.
01:40:49.000 Yeah.
01:40:50.000 It's too late.
01:40:51.000 I don't know.
01:40:51.000 I hope it works out.
01:40:52.000 They ruined that area.
01:40:52.000 I don't know.
01:40:53.000 That was, what was that?
01:40:54.000 That was Coconut Grove?
01:40:55.000 Yeah.
01:40:56.000 And now they're opening, I think, in Doral, I think.
01:40:58.000 Miami's just so crazy.
01:40:59.000 It's such an interesting place.
01:41:01.000 It's so different than any other place.
01:41:03.000 I did Miami right before I did my Netflix special, and they were using those yonder bags.
01:41:07.000 You had to put your cell phone in a yonder bag.
01:41:08.000 Yeah.
01:41:08.000 So you couldn't use it while you were inside the store.
01:41:10.000 Sure.
01:41:11.000 So you know what they did?
01:41:11.000 You could leave the room and use the yonder bag.
01:41:15.000 Yeah.
01:41:15.000 Right?
01:41:15.000 So the entire set, it was the only place where the entire set, people just kept coming and going.
01:41:21.000 They just kept leaving and coming back.
01:41:23.000 They had to be on their phones.
01:41:24.000 There was so many people doing it.
01:41:26.000 There might have been dozens of people at any point in time walking around, coming and going, going outside to use their phone and then coming back in.
01:41:34.000 It was chaos.
01:41:36.000 Yeah.
01:41:36.000 The phone thing, I don't know that there's a real good solution yet.
01:41:40.000 I did the Yonder thing in New Orleans, and that place wasn't too big, but it was still, you could tell, like...
01:41:48.000 It's inconvenient for them.
01:41:50.000 It's a long thing to go through.
01:41:52.000 But then you have people coming and going in and out of the showroom because they want to use their phone. 0.99
01:41:58.000 It's a fucking nightmare, man. 0.99
01:41:59.000 But if they don't, if they just sit there and just tune into the show, it's better. 1.00
01:42:04.000 It's like 10% better.
01:42:05.000 I think so, too.
01:42:07.000 But it's hard to impose that on people, too.
01:42:10.000 I know.
01:42:11.000 When people don't know, they're like, I'm doing what with my phone?
01:42:14.000 You're going to put it in a bag.
01:42:15.000 It's still going to be on you.
01:42:17.000 And you can use it as long as you leave this room.
01:42:19.000 They're like, I don't know, man.
01:42:21.000 I need to check my phone every 18 seconds.
01:42:23.000 Yeah, I had to let people know.
01:42:25.000 But there's some people that just want to film everything, too.
01:42:28.000 You know, when you get on stage and you see people just standing there while you're doing your set and they're holding a phone up, filming you, and you're like...
01:42:34.000 You're making this whole thing so much weirder.
01:42:37.000 Do you understand what you're doing?
01:42:39.000 You're basically like a TMZ guy at the airport.
01:42:42.000 They're watching a show like this.
01:42:44.000 Holding it up in front of them.
01:42:46.000 They're not even looking at you.
01:42:47.000 Especially for comedy, too.
01:42:49.000 I went to, of all things, a daddy-daughter dance with my daughter.
01:42:52.000 And it was the weirdest thing.
01:42:54.000 Every guy was dancing with their little kids like this.
01:42:59.000 And I realized though why they were doing it.
01:43:03.000 It wasn't about...
01:43:04.000 The moment.
01:43:05.000 I mean, a little bit.
01:43:06.000 But it was more about that if you have that phone out and you're looking at that screen and you're doing that, it sort of keeps everything else out.
01:43:13.000 It makes you feel like you're having this little moment instead of having to be this awkward thing of like you're dancing in front of these other grown men.
01:43:20.000 I don't think it's that, honestly.
01:43:22.000 I think you're just trying to capture these moments.
01:43:24.000 You're painfully aware that they're only going to be six for a year.
01:43:29.000 Yeah, but not all night.
01:43:30.000 You know what I mean?
01:43:31.000 Because that's the problem.
01:43:32.000 As a parent, you wind up with all this video that you're never going to watch.
01:43:37.000 But you're thinking logically.
01:43:39.000 Yeah, maybe.
01:43:40.000 They're just collecting video.
01:43:42.000 They're just collecting.
01:43:43.000 They're like hoarders.
01:43:44.000 Well, the thing that made me think of it, though, is that I was more comfortable when I had the phone on.
01:43:49.000 I was like, oh, yeah, because I feel like I'm doing something.
01:43:52.000 Like I'm not just dancing.
01:43:53.000 I feel like I'm just doing this thing.
01:43:56.000 I'm doing like a parental kind of thing.
01:43:58.000 I'm just documenting my cute kid.
01:44:00.000 But then when I put the phone away, I felt a lot more exposed.
01:44:04.000 Awkward white guy dancing. 0.67
01:44:05.000 Yeah.
01:44:06.000 It was painful for everybody.
01:44:08.000 Doing your dad dance.
01:44:10.000 It's terrible.
01:44:11.000 And every guy there had the same feeling, I'm sure.
01:44:14.000 But I was just like, nope, I'm not going to do it.
01:44:16.000 I'm putting my phone away. 1.00
01:44:17.000 This is stupid. 1.00
01:44:19.000 Tell you what, though, man. 1.00
01:44:20.000 You go back and look at those videos from when your kid was really little, and it does freak you out.
01:44:25.000 They're really valuable, powerful videos.
01:44:28.000 Videos of your kids when they're really young.
01:44:30.000 There's a video of my daughter when she was...
01:44:33.000 She was wearing a diaper. 0.93
01:44:35.000 I think she was probably just a little over one.
01:44:37.000 And we're walking through the airport, and I'm pulling one of those little roller bags, and she's behind it, pushing it, because she liked to push it.
01:44:47.000 And her legs are like that tall, and she's a little diaper butt, and she's pushing this thing, and we tell her, hey, we're going to go to a toy store. 1.00
01:44:54.000 And she's like...
01:44:56.000 And she puts her hands together and she pushes the bag again.
01:44:59.000 But it's like the most adorable.
01:45:00.000 I've watched that video a hundred times easily.
01:45:03.000 It's like that video will forever be stained in my brain.
01:45:07.000 It's just such a crazy moment.
01:45:08.000 We've got these videos too.
01:45:09.000 There's a really interesting thing.
01:45:11.000 We were starting to get there earlier in our conversation.
01:45:13.000 But there's an interesting thing that happens when you adopt kids, particularly kids that are already walking and talking when they come into your life.
01:45:20.000 Yeah.
01:45:44.000 We went on this trip back to Wisconsin, where I'm from, and things were really starting to come together before this trip.
01:45:51.000 And then when we went on the trip, the kids, like you're describing, the kid pushing the suitcase, they have to stay a little tighter with you because you're in airports and you're driving and you're going to a cabin and doing these things.
01:46:01.000 And by the time we got back, we were a family.
01:46:03.000 We knew, my wife and I were like, wow, we're like a A real family now.
01:46:08.000 We love these kids so much, and we can tell they love us, and it's an amazing thing.
01:46:12.000 So we have videos from that trip, and those videos, like you're saying, are just like gold.
01:46:17.000 It's so amazing to see this moment.
01:46:19.000 Yeah, do you remember that bonding?
01:46:21.000 Yeah.
01:46:22.000 That's got to be such an intense feeling to realize that these kids could have gone in some terrible direction.
01:46:31.000 I mean, when you're six years old, you're so...
01:46:35.000 Anything can happen.
01:46:36.000 Yeah.
01:46:55.000 I mean, it's amazing.
01:46:56.000 But for our lives, too.
01:46:57.000 And we didn't know it for a while.
01:46:59.000 We had that period where we were like, you really feel like for a while there, like, okay, we've done a good thing here and we're going to suffer for it for the rest of our lives.
01:47:09.000 But then as it comes online, I had this one moment.
01:47:11.000 I think I told you this, but I had this one moment that...
01:47:13.000 And I'm not this kind of guy.
01:47:15.000 I don't think of myself as this kind of guy.
01:47:17.000 But after all of this...
01:47:19.000 Just frustration and craziness.
01:47:21.000 And the kids would wake up really early every morning and they would be out in the hallway throwing things at each other and arguing and whatever.
01:47:29.000 And you're so sleep deprived and you're just so like, you know, over it.
01:47:33.000 And one morning I woke up, I think it was a Sunday and it was quiet in the room.
01:47:37.000 My wife was still asleep and it was like around the time where the kids are normally up.
01:47:41.000 And I woke up and I thought, oh wow, it's quiet in here.
01:47:44.000 And then I had this just overwhelming feeling that I couldn't even identify at first. 0.98
01:47:48.000 And then I thought, oh shit, I miss them right now. 0.98
01:47:52.000 Like I'm actually waiting for them to come in the room and wake us up. 0.99
01:47:55.000 And that was really a big moment for me where I was like, wow, I've turned a big corner here.
01:48:00.000 And what you get from them and those kinds of feelings is pretty incredible.
01:48:04.000 Is it strange seeing the movie?
01:48:06.000 Like thinking that this is based on not just your life experience, but also based on your interaction with some kids that you never wound up adopting.
01:48:14.000 Yeah.
01:48:15.000 And also, like I said, I met a bunch of families along the way.
01:48:19.000 And there's this young girl named Maureen Green who became a consultant on the movie because she grew up in foster care.
01:48:24.000 She was adopted as a teenager.
01:48:26.000 She's an amazing kid.
01:48:27.000 She goes to UCLA right now.
01:48:30.000 And so I know either my own stories or other people's stories.
01:48:35.000 I can associate them with really specific kids.
01:48:37.000 So the thing that's embarrassing is that I'm taking the movie all over the country.
01:48:40.000 I've seen the movie like a thousand times now.
01:48:42.000 And anytime I watch it with an audience, I get emotional watching the movie.
01:48:46.000 I mean, the movie is really funny, but it's got some really emotional moments.
01:48:49.000 And it's embarrassing because it looks like, oh, I'm getting so broken up by my own movie.
01:48:56.000 But it's really because I'm thinking about my own kids or I'm thinking about these real kids that I've met along the way.
01:49:04.000 I've got to tell you this, and I know I'm in it and I'm amazing in it, but I'm saying we went to the screening like a month or two ago.
01:49:15.000 And Christina and I get there, and we run into Mark right away.
01:49:19.000 So he's like, you haven't seen this?
01:49:22.000 And I go, no.
01:49:23.000 He's like, it's really...
01:49:24.000 Man, it's really good.
01:49:27.000 And I was like, yeah, I keep hearing it's good.
01:49:29.000 And he's like, no.
01:49:30.000 He was prepping me for how emotional he gets in it.
01:49:35.000 He's like, I'm in some violent stuff that's awesome, but this I'm in.
01:49:41.000 And he's like, I couldn't help but...
01:49:44.000 Get emotional about it.
01:49:46.000 And I was like, okay.
01:49:47.000 I'm like, alright.
01:49:48.000 And then I sit there and watch it.
01:49:49.000 And then I look over.
01:49:51.000 Christina's crying in parts of the movie.
01:49:53.000 I start getting emotional in parts of the movie.
01:49:54.000 I mean, it's like, he actually...
01:49:56.000 I'll say this.
01:49:57.000 You did a really good job of balancing those emotional moments with the comedy.
01:50:02.000 So, I mean, I don't know how you do it, but, like, the back and forth of it was, like, a perfect balance.
01:50:07.000 And I think it's a great movie.
01:50:09.000 I mean, everybody...
01:50:11.000 Who's seen it that has said anything to me is just blown away by the movie.
01:50:16.000 Yeah, well, and that balance of comedy and drama was what we worked on.
01:50:20.000 That was the number one thing we worked on through every draft and everything.
01:50:24.000 It's great, man.
01:50:24.000 It is really fun to watch with an audience because they do get emotionally caught up in it, but we're always coming back and giving them a laugh where they need it, you know?
01:50:31.000 Exactly.
01:50:32.000 If this is a hit, do you think they're going to want to dig down to other aspects of your personal life and try to pull out?
01:50:37.000 This is all I got.
01:50:38.000 This is Blue Star Airlines for me.
01:50:40.000 What is Blue Star Airlines?
01:50:42.000 You know in Wall Street when Charlie Sheen couldn't sell anything to Gordon Gekko?
01:50:45.000 And then he's like, well, what about Blue Star Airlines?
01:50:47.000 Because he had the tip from his dad because his dad was like a mechanic at Blue Star Airlines.
01:50:51.000 That's been kind of the running joke that this is the only interesting thing in my life.
01:50:54.000 So I've already gone there.
01:50:58.000 And it's just, you know, when this happens, you know, and you become part of that adoption community as well, so it really becomes a big part of who you are and who your family is and that kind of thing.
01:51:08.000 So, you know...
01:51:10.000 This is all I got.
01:51:11.000 I got this and then making movies.
01:51:13.000 This must be a different movie for you, though.
01:51:15.000 I mean, I'm sure you love your other movies, but this one's got to be a really different feel.
01:51:20.000 It's really different.
01:51:21.000 Because, you know, I was talking about Sex Drive before, and the reason why that one always has a special place in my heart is because it was my first real Hollywood movie, and I was just...
01:51:28.000 It was just such an amazing experience to just be this bumpkin from out of nowhere making this movie with all this budget, and it was great. 0.94
01:51:36.000 But I've had great experiences on all the movies that I've made, but this one's totally different.
01:51:40.000 It's a different tone.
01:51:41.000 It has more drama.
01:51:42.000 It has more gravity to it.
01:51:44.000 It's about something that is really, really important to me.
01:51:47.000 And it's really funny.
01:51:49.000 And we have people like Tom in the movie.
01:51:51.000 And Tom is, I mean, you know, we're joking, but he is really funny in the movie.
01:51:54.000 I believe you.
01:51:56.000 I think he's a funny guy.
01:51:57.000 Yeah, he's a funny guy.
01:51:58.000 I really do.
01:51:59.000 Thanks, man.
01:52:01.000 I mean, I've been telling people that for years, but I haven't been lying.
01:52:05.000 It was fun to do, man.
01:52:06.000 It was really a thrill.
01:52:08.000 We just became one of those morning shows.
01:52:11.000 No, but I'll tell you this, though.
01:52:13.000 The camaraderie on that thing was another thing that was really fun.
01:52:16.000 We went to Atlanta, and we have this great group every day.
01:52:21.000 You have the big stars, but then...
01:52:24.000 People I mentioned, like Margot and them, and Julie, Michael, Alan, Britt, Jody, and we would just like, it was like, it is kind of like being in a camp or something, you know?
01:52:35.000 Which, for me, was the first experience.
01:52:36.000 Well, and what you don't know is that, and what a lot of people who work in movies a lot of times, that so much of the...
01:52:44.000 The camaraderie of the set is set by kind of number one, number two on the call sheet.
01:52:49.000 Whoever the big movie stars are in your movie, sometimes you hear these stories, a lot of stories about people.
01:52:55.000 Steven Seagal.
01:52:56.000 Oh, dude.
01:52:59.000 But just people walking on eggshells around, you know, whoever the...
01:53:03.000 And when you have people like Mark and Rose who are really cool and just really easy to deal with, everybody just is so much more relaxed and having a really good time.
01:53:12.000 And then, I mean, I'll take some credit for it myself, too, because John and I try to run a really happy set and we just try to have...
01:53:18.000 Definitely, man.
01:53:19.000 Definitely.
01:53:20.000 You guys are so...
01:53:20.000 You guys are low-maintenance types, you know?
01:53:24.000 You're like...
01:53:25.000 The type of people, it feels...
01:53:27.000 I took you, just to show you how unpretentious he is, when I got the part, I was like...
01:53:34.000 We'd been speaking about the part and other things, and then I'll get an email about rehearsal at Paramount, and I would just call Sean, the director.
01:53:44.000 I'm like, hey, is rehearsal at 10?
01:53:46.000 And he's like, yeah.
01:53:47.000 I'm like, where do I park?
01:53:49.000 He's like...
01:53:49.000 I think there's a lot that they'll tell you where to go.
01:53:53.000 And I'm like, okay.
01:53:54.000 And I'd hang up and I'd be like, I'm just calling the director of a major picture.
01:53:59.000 Like, where do I park? 0.98
01:54:00.000 And he was never like, fucking figure it out. 0.98
01:54:04.000 He was just like, yeah, it's fine. 0.98
01:54:06.000 Just call me if you need parking directions.
01:54:08.000 It's probably fine.
01:54:10.000 When is this?
01:54:10.000 Is it out right now?
01:54:11.000 It comes out Friday.
01:54:12.000 It comes out November 16th.
01:54:14.000 Beautiful.
01:54:15.000 I think we can wrap this.
01:54:17.000 All right.
01:54:17.000 That was great.
01:54:18.000 Yeah.
01:54:18.000 Thank you, man.
01:54:18.000 Thank you.
01:54:19.000 Thanks for doing this.
01:54:20.000 Thanks for making the movie.
01:54:21.000 Thanks for everything.
01:54:21.000 Thanks for hiring my friend.
01:54:23.000 Yeah, thanks for hiring.
01:54:23.000 By the way, I wanted to tell you before we cut out, that video that you did share that you were talking about before.
01:54:29.000 Of the little girl got adopted.
01:54:30.000 The little girl.
01:54:30.000 When that went out, we were in this process of discussing the movie and how to kind of get the message out on the movie.
01:54:37.000 And I got that video.
01:54:39.000 I saw it on your thing.
01:54:40.000 And I immediately sent it to everybody associated with the movie.
01:54:43.000 And I was like, you guys, this is our movie.
01:54:44.000 It's right here in this video.
01:54:46.000 It's right here in that girl's face.
01:54:48.000 That's it.
01:54:48.000 That's our movie.
01:54:49.000 Wow.
01:54:49.000 That was really helpful.
01:54:50.000 I'm glad you had sent that out.
01:54:53.000 Oh, I could not.
01:54:54.000 When I got a hold of that, that video was so intense.
01:54:56.000 It was so amazing.
01:54:58.000 Anyway, sorry.
01:54:59.000 I know you were trying to wrap it up.
01:55:00.000 No worries, man.
01:55:01.000 No, this is it.
01:55:02.000 Instant Family, out Friday. 1.00
01:55:04.000 Go see it, you fucks. 1.00
01:55:05.000 Go see it. 0.99
01:55:06.000 Bye, everybody.
01:55:07.000 Thanks.
01:55:09.000 That was awesome.
01:55:10.000 That was really good.